Speaker 1: It's nice eyes.
Speaker 2: Boston's news radio.
Speaker 1: All right, let's keep rolling here. We are talking about
Speaker 1: the incident on Saturday night at the Chick fil A
Speaker 1: restaurant in Copley Square, in the shadow of the Trinity Church,
Speaker 1: across the street from the Boston Public Library, looking out
Speaker 1: on Copley Plaza itself. In an individual allegedly wielding a
Speaker 1: knife chased a couple of people who sought I guess
Speaker 1: shelter in the Chick fil A. According to the news
Speaker 1: reports I saw tonight on Channel four and Channel five,
Speaker 1: and that individual was confronted by a Boston police officer.
Speaker 1: The Boston police officer told the individual to drop the knife,
Speaker 1: identified himself as a police officer. According to reports, the
Speaker 1: individual did not drop the knife. Have no idea. I
Speaker 1: have to assume that that he did something which threatened
Speaker 1: someone else or the police officer himself, and the police
Speaker 1: officer fired and the individuals pronounced that at a hospital. Later.
Speaker 1: Mayor WU of the City of Boston did not in
Speaker 1: any way, shape or form disappoint her progressive base. When
Speaker 1: this is cut number forty one, this is the short
Speaker 1: version of it. Actually, I'm going to be fair to
Speaker 1: the Mayor here, let's use the cut forty one a
Speaker 1: for those of you who are just joining us. Her
Speaker 1: concern was not initially the mental health of the police
Speaker 1: officer the safety of the people whose lives might have
Speaker 1: been saved. She focused on condolences to the family of
Speaker 1: the knife wielder. This has cut forty one a rub.
Speaker 3: My convolences and all of our thoughts are with the
Speaker 3: family of the individual whose life's been lost. And I
Speaker 3: am also thinking of all the people who are impacted
Speaker 3: here today in one of the busier parts of the
Speaker 3: city with this tragedy. Glad that the officer is safe,
Speaker 3: and very grateful for a quick response from all of
Speaker 3: our first responders. Here again, I'm such an active part
Speaker 3: of Boston.
Speaker 1: Grateful for the response of the first responders. Well yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: what about grateful for the quick actions of the police
Speaker 1: officer that may have saved lives. Now again the mayor
Speaker 1: is wired where her first condolences are going to the
Speaker 1: knife wielder. Channel five tonight was reporting that this guy
Speaker 1: had a not a serious criminal record, but a fairly
Speaker 1: lengthy criminal in the sense that he robbed a woman
Speaker 1: at night point, allegedly, according to court documents, that Channel
Speaker 1: five was referring to outside of an MBTA station. Also,
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was on four or five.
Speaker 1: His girlfriend of ten years said he was a wonderful guy,
Speaker 1: though apparently at one point she took out a restraining
Speaker 1: order against him. On and on and on it goes.
Speaker 1: It just doesn't stop. I you know again, we want
Speaker 1: to be nice people. I don't celebrate the death of anyone,
Speaker 1: but that police officer was put in a position that
Speaker 1: he had to defend other people. And why is the
Speaker 1: condolences to the family of the victim. The family of
Speaker 1: the victim, to their credit, on one of the stations tonight,
Speaker 1: said there that they were praying for the family of
Speaker 1: the police officer. Now that's a good family from which
Speaker 1: this guy gave came. In my opinion, for them to
Speaker 1: say that, I probably would not have had as charitable
Speaker 1: response if it was me. Back to the phones, we go.
Speaker 1: We're going to go to dot and Medford Dot. We'll
Speaker 1: have strong opinions on this. Go ahead, Dot.
Speaker 4: Hi, Well you're definitely on the right side.
Speaker 5: Dan.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just unbelievable that she does not have a clue.
Speaker 4: She doesn't want to have a clue. Because if she
Speaker 4: had a clue, she would have appreciated that office. She
Speaker 4: couldn't show any appreciation to him.
Speaker 1: Lord would have upset her progressive base.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, she's pathetic. She's actually kind of stupid. I mean,
Speaker 4: I imagine, Well, she gets home, the husband has plenty
Speaker 4: to say about some of the stuff she pulls off.
Speaker 1: Well, we have no idea about that sort of conversation
Speaker 1: at all. Dot. All I can do is just say
Speaker 1: that I don't understand how someone who is in a
Speaker 1: position where she and her family. I assume I might
Speaker 1: be wrong here, but I'm going to go out on
Speaker 1: a limb. Dot, I would bet that the mayor and
Speaker 1: her family are guarded by Boston Police officers.
Speaker 6: Do you think I'm wrong on that?
Speaker 4: Astely?
Speaker 7: Are?
Speaker 1: Okay? Now, I'm sure that the mayor of any major
Speaker 1: city has some wacker doodles who will, you know, try
Speaker 1: to approach the mayor with all sorts of and at
Speaker 1: times they have to be kept at bay. And I'm
Speaker 1: sure that sadly there there are people out there who
Speaker 1: would do stupid things like calling up and issuing a threat,
Speaker 1: and the mayor deserves to be protected, and the mayor's
Speaker 1: family deserves. She is young child. But you would think
Speaker 1: that the mayors above all would say, hey, look these
Speaker 1: men and women of all backgrounds, straight, gay, you know,
Speaker 1: black and white, Asian, Hispanic. They've taken, you know, an
Speaker 1: oath of office and part of that oath of officers
Speaker 1: to protect her and her family. You would think that
Speaker 1: they would be a level of appreciation.
Speaker 4: But you would think so, you would.
Speaker 1: Okay, so, so Dot you're telling me I'm not totally
Speaker 1: insane to think that.
Speaker 4: No, No, you're absolutely right. I mean, she really I
Speaker 4: hope they do a good job on her down in Washington.
Speaker 1: Well, it's going to be an interesting Wednesday. We'll be
Speaker 1: talking about that. I'm sure. I'm sure we'll be talking
Speaker 1: about that one on Wednesday night.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, sure, Yeah. Maybe they'll smarten her up a little.
Speaker 4: I doubt it.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think what happens is that that
Speaker 1: certain politicians kind of drink the kool aid. And there
Speaker 1: are crazy politicians on the right too, who you know,
Speaker 1: I think of Marjorie Taylor Green and some of these
Speaker 1: people have say some outrageous things. So it's not just
Speaker 1: the wack of doodles on the far left on the
Speaker 1: progressive Democrats. I just think that there are people who
Speaker 1: play to their base, and they're happy with their base
Speaker 1: and realize that. And maybe it's because the base of
Speaker 1: these two parties vote that that the Democratic base gets
Speaker 1: out the Republican base and a lot of people in
Speaker 1: the middle choose not to vote. I don't know.
Speaker 4: Maybe that's what they gotta do it, but I'll tell you,
Speaker 4: I hope she smattens up a little bit. She's really pathetic.
Speaker 1: We would hope banks do. I appreciate it, all right, soon,
Speaker 1: good one, good night. Going to keep rolling here, Going
Speaker 1: to go to Pete in South Carolina. Hey, Pete, welcome back.
Speaker 8: How are you, Hey, Dan? I'm fine. How are you?
Speaker 1: This story made, by the way, I hope you're not
Speaker 1: in the in the fire areas?
Speaker 8: No, no, no no, they are four hours north of me,
Speaker 8: up by Myrtle Beach. I'm fine, but thank you for asking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, has this story about the shooting here? Made it?
Speaker 1: Made it into the news?
Speaker 8: Made I made it in And this is what I'm
Speaker 8: going to throw something back at you that you always
Speaker 8: say elections have consequences, and this is a consequence that
Speaker 8: should come up when she's up for reelection. She's I've
Speaker 8: listened to your cuts and I saw some of her
Speaker 8: video on one of the TV stations I watched down here,
Speaker 8: and I'm sorry she's she came in from left field. Yeah,
Speaker 8: and I feel bad for the people.
Speaker 1: Way out, way out over by the foul line in
Speaker 1: left field, I think is where she plays.
Speaker 8: Well, that's about it, but I feel sorry for the
Speaker 8: police department because they took second fiddle to some guy
Speaker 8: who was trying to hurt people.
Speaker 1: Well, the police commissioner, the police commissioner who the mayor appointed,
Speaker 1: according to press reports that have read, basically said kind
Speaker 1: of the same thing.
Speaker 8: I'll see that I didn't hear. Obviously, I don't get
Speaker 8: that kind of stuff down here. But I just feel
Speaker 8: sorry for the police officer. Uh took some of my thunder,
Speaker 8: But that police offer has to live with that for
Speaker 8: the rest of his life. And it's tragic, it really
Speaker 8: is for him and his family because it, like you said,
Speaker 8: the police officer identified himself, dropped a knife, didn't drop
Speaker 8: the knife. Boom. Unfortunate things happened. But your mayor is
Speaker 8: just terrible. I can't believe you would do that.
Speaker 1: Well, there's a whole bunch of those mayors around the country.
Speaker 8: Oh, I know that who seemed to.
Speaker 1: Have that same attitude. You know, it's like, right, they
Speaker 1: make the assumption they were work from the assumption that
Speaker 1: the police has to be a stereotype of Derek Chauvin,
Speaker 1: that they're all the same. You know, it's like, I
Speaker 1: don't get I don't understand. And again, as I said
Speaker 1: to Don, men and women, the bus police department guard rightfully.
Speaker 1: So Mayor wound her family.
Speaker 8: That's right. And look at the the the what you
Speaker 8: will call it for protection that Pelosi gets out in
Speaker 8: San Francisco and she's there, she's got her own little compound.
Speaker 8: But anyway, I don't want to take up a lot
Speaker 8: of your time because I'm an out of state caller,
Speaker 8: but I just I can hear it in your voice.
Speaker 8: You're really upset. And I don't know when she's up
Speaker 8: for your elections. But they do have concerts this year,
Speaker 8: this year, this year. I'll have to keep listening.
Speaker 1: I would hope, I would hope. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 1: the only candidate that I'm aware of that's a serious
Speaker 1: childallenger to her right now is Josh Kraft, who's the
Speaker 1: son of Patriots owner robber Craft.
Speaker 8: Oh okay, okay, uh. Like I said, now that I
Speaker 8: know what's going on, I'll pay a little bit more
Speaker 8: attention and read the Globe when I can pull it
Speaker 8: up online, and obviously listen to the night Side.
Speaker 1: I got you. You got you covered there, that's for sure.
Speaker 8: Thanks, thanks, appreciate it, Thank you.
Speaker 1: I have a great night. Get by all right, Pete
Speaker 1: in South Carolina. We'll take a very quick break here.
Speaker 1: I'll be back with more phone calls. I got one
Speaker 1: line at six one, seven, two four, ten thirty one
Speaker 1: at six one, seven, nine, three thirty your reaction to
Speaker 1: the shooting at a Chick fil A and Copley Square,
Speaker 1: those of you who are listening out of town. Copley
Speaker 1: Square is sort of the equivalent of Times Are Times Square.
Speaker 1: It's not quite as glamorous, but it's really this the
Speaker 1: core center of the commercial district here in Boston, and
Speaker 1: it's it's in the shadow of Trinity Church. It's across
Speaker 1: from the Boston Public Library, across from the Copley Plaza hotel.
Speaker 1: It looks out on Copley Plaza. It's a it's a
Speaker 1: it's a great part of the city. It's it's the
Speaker 1: heart of the Back Bay, which is really also the
Speaker 1: heart of Boston, and the mayor's response to this to
Speaker 1: me is unfathomable. Unfathomable. We'll be back on Nightside after this.
Speaker 2: Now, back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Speaker 2: Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 1: All right, let's get back to the call. It's going
Speaker 1: to go to Joe In. Joe you are next time Nightside.
Speaker 1: Appreciate you.
Speaker 5: Hey, Dan, thank you for taking my call. Okay, I
Speaker 5: respectfully disagree with you on this, but we have our
Speaker 5: opinions and that's why you let us call. Sure. My
Speaker 5: friend and I from Brighton, we're talking about have you
Speaker 5: heard of the burnet SD. It's a new product for
Speaker 5: people that can if they're in a situation, they can
Speaker 5: stop a person but not hurt him. I don't like
Speaker 5: to see anybody get killed. This guy may have had
Speaker 5: mental illness. I wish the police officer it uses high
Speaker 5: projectiles or tear gas, anything you want. I think you
Speaker 5: might be interested in that you can protect yourself. I
Speaker 5: think if he had used that or a taser, that
Speaker 5: may have stopped him. Because years ago in Waltham.
Speaker 1: Here's the hold on Joe for a second. Okay, so
Speaker 1: I don't know what was the first item that you
Speaker 1: mentioned that went by me too quickly.
Speaker 5: Some sort of on all the news stations, the burner
Speaker 5: SD launcher. Look it up. I think you'll find it.
Speaker 1: It's fast to me. What is a burner SD launcher?
Speaker 1: Why don't you explain that to me?
Speaker 5: Okay, It's a device. If people are attacked, they can shoot.
Speaker 5: It's not a weapon. It's considered not a weapon by
Speaker 5: law enforcement. It's a pistol shape, but it uses projectiles
Speaker 5: or tear gas and it works within fifty to sixty feet.
Speaker 5: It can hurt you and put you down, but it won't.
Speaker 1: So why don't we just disarm the police officers? This
Speaker 1: guy's an off duty police officer.
Speaker 5: Okay, Yes, And.
Speaker 1: If we're if we're very concerned about what has happened here,
Speaker 1: why don't we disarm all the police officers and give
Speaker 1: them whatever this is SD? You said, what was it
Speaker 1: called SD?
Speaker 5: What berner b y r NA SD.
Speaker 9: No.
Speaker 5: I don't say we should disarm them, but.
Speaker 1: Why I mean, if this guy hit the disarm, he's
Speaker 1: carrying his service revolver as he has a right to
Speaker 1: do off duty and if he didn't have the service revolver,
Speaker 1: the guy they shot would never have been been killed. Right?
Speaker 5: What about if he used a taser? Could he have
Speaker 5: taken him down that way? I don't like me. I'm
Speaker 5: just bringing them.
Speaker 1: So if you want the off duty police officers not
Speaker 1: to carry weapons or not to have weapons, but to
Speaker 1: carry tasers.
Speaker 5: No, they can carry weapons only if they need resort,
Speaker 5: not use the first resort.
Speaker 1: Have you ever been in a situation where you were
Speaker 1: confronted with someone with a knife.
Speaker 5: No, I haven't.
Speaker 1: I'm very lucky. They're very lucky, and I hope you
Speaker 1: never are. This guy's a trained police officer. Okay, he's
Speaker 1: in a Chick fil A, off duty, off duty, and
Speaker 1: this guy comes in wielding a knife, apparently pursuing a
Speaker 1: couple of people that he chased into the into the
Speaker 1: set of circumstances into into the Chick fil A. So
Speaker 1: if the police officer had the presence of mind to
Speaker 1: have said, gentlemen, gentlemen, please please, we are in a
Speaker 1: Chick fil A which has the best chicken sandwiches anyone
Speaker 1: could buy. Let me offer. No. What I'm saying is
Speaker 1: you're talking, You're talking fantasy and this guy comes in
Speaker 1: with a knife. The cops says, I'm a police officer,
Speaker 1: drop the knife. The guy doesn't. An isis act that
Speaker 1: the guy probably came at the cop with the knife.
Speaker 1: Lit see with the investigation report shows.
Speaker 5: Oh sure yea.
Speaker 1: The assumption by these political progressives is that every cop
Speaker 1: is named Derek Chauvin, every cop spent nine minutes on
Speaker 1: the knee of a guy named George Floyd. They see
Speaker 1: just as as people who are racist, and see all
Speaker 1: Asian people are all white people, are all black people
Speaker 1: as the same. They look at police officers irrespective of
Speaker 1: what their color is or what their their their you know,
Speaker 1: their ethnic background is. If they're wearing blue and there's
Speaker 1: there's a shooting, our condolences are going out to the heart,
Speaker 1: from our heart to going out to the family of
Speaker 1: the victim. Isn't that a statement that that appalls you.
Speaker 5: She should have apologized to the police, said the police
Speaker 5: office officer. And she she should have said, my condolences
Speaker 5: are going out to everybody involved. I think that would
Speaker 5: have been a little better.
Speaker 1: Why condolences The only person who's dead is the guy
Speaker 1: that pulled the knife on people.
Speaker 5: Well, the police officer has to live with that for
Speaker 5: the rest of his life.
Speaker 1: Right, you don't need he doesn't need condolences. Uh, he
Speaker 1: needs to be to deal with you know, PTSD post
Speaker 1: traumatic Yes that Yeah, so he doesn't need condolences. The
Speaker 1: word is the condolences. Condolences? Who's when I hear Joe
Speaker 1: that that you know your cousin died in an automobile accident. Joe,
Speaker 1: my condolences to you for the death of your cousin.
Speaker 1: You know that's Joe. I will we'll just agree to
Speaker 1: disagree in this one.
Speaker 5: Okay, I ask one more question? Can I ask one
Speaker 5: more quick questions? Years ago, I was living in an
Speaker 5: other city, there was a knife fight in Waltham. Now
Speaker 5: I'm not saying it's right. It was in a bar.
Speaker 5: I don't know there's any difference these, but a bunch
Speaker 5: of police went in and stopped it and separated and
Speaker 5: got them out. Is there a difference between that and
Speaker 5: what this guy was doing? Now this is only one man.
Speaker 5: Of course, there are other police officers that could back
Speaker 5: each other up.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's that.
Speaker 1: You just you explained the differences. This is a set
Speaker 1: of circumstances in which the police officer has to make
Speaker 1: a split second decision. Not only is he concerned for
Speaker 1: his own physical safety, but he's concerned for the safety
Speaker 1: of it looked as if did you see the Well
Speaker 1: you didn't see because you're blind, but there were pictures
Speaker 1: of people running out of the Chick fil.
Speaker 5: A, Okay, because I didn't see it. No, I just
Speaker 5: heard on the notes. All right, Dan, I appreciate you're
Speaker 5: taking my call.
Speaker 1: Difference soon, good night. Let me keep rolling here, going
Speaker 1: to go to Christine and Denham. Christine, how are you tonight? Welcome?
Speaker 7: Hello?
Speaker 10: Are you Dan?
Speaker 1: Little frustrated, but I'm glad you called.
Speaker 10: I just try to say, my hat goes out to
Speaker 10: that crop and I the workers and the customers who
Speaker 10: all saw that. Back the blue, please, everybody needs to
Speaker 10: back the blue.
Speaker 1: Well, you know we we have on this country. We
Speaker 1: have for years celebrated disrespect to the blue. And there
Speaker 1: have been a lot of police officers who have lost
Speaker 1: their lives, and a lot of police officers who are
Speaker 1: of all backgrounds, you know, white police officers, black police officers,
Speaker 1: Hispanic police officers. As a matter of fact, I think
Speaker 1: if you actually do a deep dive, you realize that
Speaker 1: because newer police officers tend to be minority categories classifications.
Speaker 1: They are often dealing with the most dangerous jobs, working
Speaker 1: overnights and all of that. And you know we've highlighted,
Speaker 1: you know, some of the police officers who have lost
Speaker 1: their lives. I did a commentary it has to be
Speaker 1: I don't know ten years ago or when when Black
Speaker 1: Lives Matter was was really rolling, and there were three
Speaker 1: young African Americans who was shot during a period of
Speaker 1: about four or five days. One was from Philadelphia, one
Speaker 1: was from Atlanta, and the third was from a city
Speaker 1: in Louisiana that I I can't remember. They were all
Speaker 1: black guys, you know, in their in their mid thirties.
Speaker 1: They're all police officers. I didn't see any sort of
Speaker 1: a press release that their their lives mattered from Black
Speaker 1: Lives Matter, you know, it became political and I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's just.
Speaker 10: And why can't we open remember how we had all
Speaker 10: the mental state mental hospitals that we all we always
Speaker 10: used to have. Why can't they open them and help
Speaker 10: them out, like get these people help, like reopen all
Speaker 10: these hospitals.
Speaker 1: No, there was a there was a political move in
Speaker 1: Massachusetts which essentially said that it was that they they
Speaker 1: basically deinstitutionalized people, and they deinstitutionalize people to the streets
Speaker 1: of Massachusetts. And we now see that maybe that great
Speaker 1: social experiment hasn't worked. And and then you know, you
Speaker 1: know this guy, if you watch the two local TV
Speaker 1: stations tonight four or five, you probably saw that there
Speaker 1: were this guy had plenty of uh interactions with the
Speaker 1: with law enforcement and with the courts. UH. And you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, if I don't know about you, I think
Speaker 1: I know you well enough to know that if I
Speaker 1: get a parking ticket, I'm terrified that it's going to
Speaker 1: be uh that I'm going to somehow lose it, or
Speaker 1: I'm going to send the check and it's not going
Speaker 1: to get to the right place, and then I'm going
Speaker 1: to have to, you know, have my register. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm a law follower. Okay. I don't want police officers
Speaker 1: to bully anybody, but I want police officers to do
Speaker 1: their job. And this guy did his job.
Speaker 6: Exactly, all right.
Speaker 10: I hope I'm helping well.
Speaker 1: I hopefully he doesn't need help. Hopefully he can understand it,
Speaker 1: maybe by listening to a program. Later, this realized that
Speaker 1: the vast majority of people support police. Uh, we don't
Speaker 1: support police if they go rogue, as Derek Chauvin did.
Speaker 1: But Derek Chauvin doesn't represent the vast majority of police
Speaker 1: officers in this country, although many wanted to depict him
Speaker 1: as such.
Speaker 10: Right, story, Yeah, I have okay story if I can
Speaker 10: tell you One time I was young, I was in
Speaker 10: talent my sister and her now her my brother in law,
Speaker 10: and we were shocking, al humeless. Lady thought we stole
Speaker 10: a bag from her and she's chased us with an umbrella.
Speaker 10: She was trying to hit my sister over the head.
Speaker 10: My brother in law came out of the store and
Speaker 10: was like, what the heck is going on? So they
Speaker 10: grabbed the crops of the crop and they knew who
Speaker 10: she was and the rested her right away. He was
Speaker 10: screaming and yelling.
Speaker 6: Oh it was so cierri. That was.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the big city. Thanks Christine, gotta run, Thank
Speaker 1: you much. Talk to you soon. There comes the news
Speaker 1: just a couple of minutes later. Always good to talk
Speaker 1: with Christine. Coming back on Nightside.
Speaker 2: It's Night Side, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 1: By the way, the district Attorney Kevin Hayden, who is
Speaker 1: who is doing his best to channel Rachel Rawlins said,
Speaker 1: our thoughts and prayers are with the family and friends
Speaker 1: of the individual who was lost. I mean the individual
Speaker 1: who was lost. It sounds like somebody who was hiking
Speaker 1: in the White Mountains of New Hampshire fell down a ravine.
Speaker 1: That's the district attorney, Kevin Hayden. Okay, let's keep rolling here.
Speaker 1: I'm going to go real quickly to Larry in Sherborne. Larry,
Speaker 1: you were next on nightside. I appreciate you taking the
Speaker 1: time to call Larry. Welcome.
Speaker 11: Okay, Dan, I actually live in Millis, but was on
Speaker 11: the Sherborne place in the Falmouth and also military, and
Speaker 11: most of my experience with taking firearms was actually in
Speaker 11: the military. And that included eleven of them where they
Speaker 11: were armed on the scene, and eight of nine of
Speaker 11: them were murders.
Speaker 1: And you you were you were in the military and
Speaker 1: you killed eight of nine enemy.
Speaker 11: No, no, no, I didn't kill any of them. I
Speaker 11: responded to eleven calls where people were armed on the scene. Okay,
Speaker 11: I got you that eight of them were actually murders
Speaker 11: where they were still on the scene.
Speaker 1: Wow. Were were you in military police?
Speaker 11: Yes, I'm retired from that. Also, I spent twenty two
Speaker 11: years in that plug.
Speaker 1: Okay, So take your experience, and take your experience and
Speaker 1: overlay it on what you know about the Boston police
Speaker 1: shooting on Saturday, late Saturday afternoon.
Speaker 11: Okay, to begin with, I visued a warning too about
Speaker 11: to an individual. Although I was in uniform, I had
Speaker 11: an advantage there. Yeah, But I arrived at the scene
Speaker 11: with another guy. We had four more cops arriving, so
Speaker 11: I wasn't alone, but there were There was a gentleman
Speaker 11: laying dead on his back with a bullet hole in
Speaker 11: his chest, and eighteen feet in front of between me
Speaker 11: and him was the individual was armed with an M
Speaker 11: sixteen rifle and who had just shot it. We even
Speaker 11: heard the shots. We were in the neighborhood, you know,
Speaker 11: just talking to somebody else and when we heard the shots,
Speaker 11: So we were there very quickly.
Speaker 1: You in the military or civilian at this point?
Speaker 12: Uh No, I was.
Speaker 11: I did civilian later on a federal contract, but I
Speaker 11: was military at that point.
Speaker 6: I was.
Speaker 1: Okay, So, so what did you guy, what do you
Speaker 1: guys do in that situation?
Speaker 11: Well, basically, his back was to us. He was turned
Speaker 11: sideways and basically the words and I'll put a blank
Speaker 11: on other words, you can figure out what it is.
Speaker 11: My exact words to him was you'll move, I'll blow
Speaker 11: your blank head off. And he dropped the gun. We
Speaker 11: put him against the wall and handcuffed him and it
Speaker 11: took him well without incident. Okay, good, But that's and
Speaker 11: I've had another case in the Colorade.
Speaker 1: What a more interested in Larry's How would your experience
Speaker 1: in these situations? What would your assessment be of what?
Speaker 1: Obviously you weren't there? But this guys in a fast
Speaker 1: food chain in Copley Square, he's in civilian clothes, as
Speaker 1: you mentioned, he's got his service weapon with him. Incomes
Speaker 1: of two people who were escaping this guy. Uh, and
Speaker 1: the guy comes in with a knife. I don't know
Speaker 1: what happened, but I'm assuming that that he didn't wake
Speaker 1: up yesterday morning or Saturday morning. Sam, I'm gonna kill
Speaker 1: somebody today. How would you describe how do you think
Speaker 1: that went down?
Speaker 11: Well? I think the police officers isn't what he had
Speaker 11: to do, because I'll tell you if that guy hadn't
Speaker 11: drop that, I would have shot him.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's yeah, that's that's what's most.
Speaker 11: At glad I didn't have to, but if it was necessary,
Speaker 11: I'd have to resort to what I had to do
Speaker 11: to protect myself and others.
Speaker 1: Exactly, That's exactly. I just don't understand why people now
Speaker 1: seem to be so skeptical. I mean, you know, if
Speaker 1: this is, uh, you know, some kid who was down
Speaker 1: an alley way unarmed and the cop shot him, you're
Speaker 1: going to say, well, you know, maybe obviously that's not
Speaker 1: a good situation. But this is in front of probably
Speaker 1: dozens of witnesses, and yet still the default position of
Speaker 1: our political leaders in our district attorney is condolences to
Speaker 1: the family of the man who died.
Speaker 11: And incidentally, I may mention one in Denver, Colorado, New
Speaker 11: Year's Eve nineteen seventy one to seventy one, we had
Speaker 11: a call these five guys that jumped on one and
Speaker 11: cut him with the straight razer right across the neck. Yeah,
Speaker 11: and we were in the neighborhood. I got the guy
Speaker 11: myself and my partner got the guy coming out of
Speaker 11: the door, and he pulled the straight raizer on us.
Speaker 11: We were carrying night sticks, so I put my nightstick
Speaker 11: across the hand that had a straight raiser broke all
Speaker 11: four of his fingers. That was the only injury he
Speaker 11: ended up having. But if I didn't have the night stick.
Speaker 12: Out of shot him.
Speaker 11: Yeah, he came at me with a straight razor, and.
Speaker 1: A straight razor up close and personal can do a
Speaker 1: lot of damage. Larry, I gotta keep rolling. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much for calling in. If you called here with
Speaker 1: a straight razor, I know have you called in before? No?
Speaker 11: Uh, yes, I have called before.
Speaker 1: Well keep calling.
Speaker 11: I believe you probably know me any way way back
Speaker 11: from your former residence.
Speaker 1: So yeah, No, I was kind of putting things together
Speaker 1: as we talked. Always great to hear your voice. Thanks
Speaker 1: so much.
Speaker 11: I thought i'd contribute that anyway. I won't tell you
Speaker 11: up because I could go on and on and.
Speaker 1: Oh that's okay. All I'm just saying is.
Speaker 11: What that police officer did. He did what he needed
Speaker 11: to do to protect himself as well as the other
Speaker 11: people are there and that individual, and I'm I had
Speaker 11: the thought the guy probably does have a mental health problem.
Speaker 1: I got it, Larry, I got I got packed lines
Speaker 1: and I enjoyed get Thanks. I appreciate it. Let me
Speaker 1: go next to Mike and Newton, Mike next on Nightsager right.
Speaker 12: Ahead, A damn the few things that want to mention him,
Speaker 12: as well as the question I have, So you're one
Speaker 12: of your previous calls Joe, he had mentioned the fact
Speaker 12: that he would have liked to have seen the guy
Speaker 12: subdued by other means. Okay, that's that's all. Well, I'm good, Okay. Now,
Speaker 12: I've never been a cop. I know if you I
Speaker 12: know if you're Boston cops. I know a few stadies okay,
Speaker 12: and I know your brother's on the job. But I'm
Speaker 12: not going to get into all that. Okay, Okay, So
Speaker 12: guy's off duty. Okay, he's out either with his buds
Speaker 12: or running errands or what have you. Okay, when these
Speaker 12: guys go out Boston, I don't know how it works
Speaker 12: for the departments, but Boston cops, they some of them
Speaker 12: do carry when they're off. They have to have their
Speaker 12: badge with them. The way I am to stand the policy,
Speaker 12: and they're their their standard issue is the is the
Speaker 12: clock nine millimeter? But anyway, well, when this guy's out, okay,
Speaker 12: he has got time to put his entire arsenal on
Speaker 12: his on on his waist or yeah, yeah, he might
Speaker 12: have his piece. He might, he might might have his coups.
Speaker 12: He definitely has his badge in case he has to
Speaker 12: flash it. Okay, but you know he can't he put
Speaker 12: he can't put all a lot of crap on his
Speaker 12: mas his stun gun, extra clip, maybe an extra clip.
Speaker 12: But you know he hasn't got time to put all
Speaker 12: that crap.
Speaker 1: Bulletproof, his bulletproof best, the whole yards, the old nine yard.
Speaker 12: Yes, exactly right. He hasn't had time. You know, he
Speaker 12: wants to walk around a feeling a.
Speaker 1: Little comment down, now, comment down, No need to.
Speaker 12: Say I'm fine, I'm fine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you maybe, but my bosses might not be with
Speaker 1: that one. Okay, go ahead, Well what a man?
Speaker 7: What is?
Speaker 1: Put him on hold and explain to him what he said. Okay,
Speaker 1: and we'll keep rolling here. We got to take a
Speaker 1: quick break on Nightside. Coming right back.
Speaker 2: Now, back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Speaker 2: night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 1: Let me go back to Mike. Mike, I think you
Speaker 1: know what you said. So let's continue real quickly though,
Speaker 1: because we're running out of.
Speaker 8: Being loose.
Speaker 12: So long story short, that this guy and I'm gonna
Speaker 12: take it. I'm gonna I'm gonna take on a good
Speaker 12: fake that maybe this guy had mental issues.
Speaker 8: Maybe I don't know.
Speaker 12: I wasn't there, you weren't there, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 12: Cop probably had to do what he had to do. Unfortunately,
Speaker 12: he it came down to putting a bullet maybe two,
Speaker 12: maybe two rounds to him. I don't know, but I
Speaker 12: do have But I do have one one question. Though
Speaker 12: the mayor has been mentioned a show times in this situation,
Speaker 12: what's the deal with her? Aside from the fact that
Speaker 12: she's she's that she runs the police and uh, well
Speaker 12: we talked.
Speaker 1: Well, if you've listened to the show for the last
Speaker 1: couple of hours, her instinct was to offer the condolences,
Speaker 1: uh to the to to the family of the guy
Speaker 1: that was shot. Yeah, I mean I could. I could
Speaker 1: play it real quickly, and I'm going to do it
Speaker 1: because you're called in late rob real quickly here. Just
Speaker 1: play forty one, forty one, even for me forty one.
Speaker 3: Even My condolences and and all of our thoughts are
Speaker 3: with the family of the individual whose life has been lost.
Speaker 1: Condolences to the person whose family life has been lost
Speaker 1: the guy that was wielding the knife, simple as that
Speaker 1: right tone deaf tone deaf Mike, I got to run here,
Speaker 1: I got pack lines. Okay, gotta run, thank you, good knife. Okay,
Speaker 1: you guys have all called in late, so you gotta
Speaker 1: be quick. I'm going to try to get everyone in.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be tough. Gonna start with you, Danielle, go
Speaker 1: right ahead.
Speaker 8: Two quick things.
Speaker 13: A couple of callers. Ago is his name, Dan, the
Speaker 13: guy that calls all the time. He was the one
Speaker 13: that was disagreeing with you. And you know, my question
Speaker 13: to him is what if it was you? I mean,
Speaker 13: you're gonna expect the cop to stop and think about it.
Speaker 13: And the guy just before me, he kind of said
Speaker 13: what I was thinking, like, these guys don't carry around
Speaker 13: and are you know, all different cools. They have a
Speaker 13: split second to think about it. He did what he's
Speaker 13: what he was supposed to do as far as warning
Speaker 13: him and all that. He's a trained professional. I know
Speaker 13: what berna is and I've looked at one for myself.
Speaker 13: Something that's not a train police officer. That maybe if
Speaker 13: I was in a situation walking to my car and
Speaker 13: someone you know, but that's not for a trained police officer.
Speaker 13: And and the.
Speaker 1: Give the police officer a sling shot or a.
Speaker 13: Bun and the other the man that just called in
Speaker 13: that was military. He hit the nail on the head
Speaker 13: when he said these guys like he said, I didn't
Speaker 13: he's like I would have shot him.
Speaker 14: I didn't.
Speaker 13: I wouldn't have wanted to. These guys are human. They
Speaker 13: go home to their family. Do you think he's this
Speaker 13: This poor guy feels great right now knowing that he
Speaker 13: killed somebody. Of course, this is the date suffer from this.
Speaker 13: And know a lot of cops that have been in
Speaker 13: tough situations and you know, shout up at fatalities, bad accidents,
Speaker 13: and they suffer. I mean, it's not make a gang member.
Speaker 13: So anyway, I.
Speaker 1: Just did not all named Derek Chauvin. The Left has
Speaker 1: tried to portray every police officer in this country Derek
Speaker 1: Chauvin or a potential.
Speaker 13: Derek chau But you know what, I have a Michelle
Speaker 13: wu type that lives across from me at home, and
Speaker 13: they're the ones with the defund the police signs or whatever.
Speaker 9: You know.
Speaker 13: Police are home on their lawns, but they're the first
Speaker 13: ones to call if something's going on in the neighborhood.
Speaker 13: I mean, the first ones.
Speaker 5: You know, it's like.
Speaker 1: In two minutes. Thank you, good night, Satchi and Soga.
Speaker 1: You gotta be quick, Saty, go right ahead.
Speaker 6: Hi Dan, I just want to say, I want to
Speaker 6: support the gentleman who called Joe Uh. I think it's
Speaker 6: that's the use of you know, fools. The reason is,
Speaker 6: you know, the mayor, the doctor, sorry, the police chief
Speaker 6: and that would not just come out and say I'm
Speaker 6: so you know, we condolences. So there has to be
Speaker 6: a more than one reason. Maybe the officer acted really fast.
Speaker 6: There are a lot of countries they don't.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe maybe the officer had no choice but to
Speaker 1: act fast.
Speaker 6: Maybe maybe you.
Speaker 1: See how the investigation, see how the satch Okay, you
Speaker 1: can speculate, I can speculate. We'll see how the investigation
Speaker 1: comes out.
Speaker 6: Yeah, on the string you mentioned, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 6: In India they carry a stick, not a gun. In
Speaker 6: Australia they don't carry guns.
Speaker 1: Maybe they maybe they Maybe what we should do I
Speaker 1: can tell where you're coming from, Sachi. Maybe what we
Speaker 1: should have them do is carry I don't know, tennis rackets,
Speaker 1: you know, or or some thing that that wouldn't kill people.
Speaker 1: That would be that would be wonderful. And so then
Speaker 1: when they're out on the street some night at midnight
Speaker 1: because you've been in a car accident and some guy
Speaker 1: with a gun is threatening you and wants to shoot
Speaker 1: you because by mistake you were ended him, you know,
Speaker 1: in a car accident, and the police comes along, he
Speaker 1: can have his tennis racket to try to defend you
Speaker 1: from the guy shooting you. That makes a lot of sense,
Speaker 1: doesn't it.
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, yes, okay, No, that's.
Speaker 1: Enough Satue for now, because they got two more. I
Speaker 1: got to get to as well. And you're into that
Speaker 1: was nuts. Do me a favor, call me back a
Speaker 1: little earlier. I really want to have some longer conversations
Speaker 1: with you, Satch, I really do.
Speaker 6: Thank you, then, thank you, have a good night.
Speaker 1: Joe is in Cambridge. Joe, bring me back to reality.
Speaker 9: Oh my god, damn.
Speaker 8: I don't believe these callers.
Speaker 1: Hey, everybody now know why people get elected in Massachusetts.
Speaker 9: Go ahead, unbelievable.
Speaker 14: Well, anyway, I I want to start off saying I
Speaker 14: feel for the police officer. I know I know what
Speaker 14: it feels like firsthand. Not myself, but I have family
Speaker 14: retired police that were involved in that situation, exact situation,
Speaker 14: and it takes it does take a toll in the family,
Speaker 14: and especially I'm the police officer, and people need to
Speaker 14: understand that. So for you know, that whack a doodle,
Speaker 14: that's my opinion of the mayor. For her to make
Speaker 14: that comment is just beyond me. But I'm not, No,
Speaker 14: I'm not.
Speaker 1: And you know what it is. What it is, Joe,
Speaker 1: it's a mindset. Go ahead and make it other point
Speaker 1: and then I gotta I.
Speaker 14: Got real quick, yep, and real quick.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 9: The other couple of callers, the one that mentioned about.
Speaker 14: That burner gun. Listen, that's a pepper jail ball. It's
Speaker 14: not tear gash. And you know they're a little hard
Speaker 14: pell of they're not gonna it's not gonna stop. And
Speaker 14: the police officers off duty, he's not carrying all these crinkets.
Speaker 9: He's good as off duty.
Speaker 8: He's good at study, Rover.
Speaker 9: And second thing people even understand is that thing called
Speaker 9: a twenty one foot rule, which by the way, was
Speaker 9: tested in about twenty sixteen and ever in that ever
Speaker 9: police shooting where you know they say about one point
Speaker 9: five seconds it takes for a person to run twenty
Speaker 9: one feet. You know that was that was already thrown
Speaker 9: out the window in that twenty sixteen shooting and Everett.
Speaker 9: As a matter of fact, I think they've extended that now.
Speaker 9: That police officer was in full sprint backwards when that
Speaker 9: attacker came at him, and even then he just missed missed,
Speaker 9: you know, cutting him.
Speaker 1: So all right, Joe, I got to run one o
Speaker 1: the caller. You guys calling late and I can't give
Speaker 1: you more time. So and you got a call earlier.
Speaker 8: Okay, thanks Joe, I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Thanks. I have a great night, James, and Dearry New Hampshire.
Speaker 1: You're the last of the night. I got about a
Speaker 1: minute for you.
Speaker 8: James, go right ahead, so listen, I just got a
Speaker 8: real quick comic. Can you hear me?
Speaker 1: Yes, sir?
Speaker 8: Okay, So I.
Speaker 7: Have law enforcement experience on the West Coast. People are
Speaker 7: forgetting one thing. If this guy had not done what
Speaker 7: he did and he decided to go hands on with
Speaker 7: this guy and he got stabbed, and then the guy
Speaker 7: went on to kill several other people, they would have
Speaker 7: been wondering why he didn't shoot him.
Speaker 1: Of course, couldn't agree with you more, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean?
Speaker 7: Bottom line, they would have, they would have been they
Speaker 7: would have been crying foul.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well maybe some of our politicians would not have been.
Speaker 1: They wouldn't have been shedding tears, but publicly they would
Speaker 1: have been saying the right thing. Uh, it's don't thank
Speaker 1: thank god you live in the state of New Hampshire
Speaker 1: where you have governors like Sinunu and ar simple as that.
Speaker 8: Absolutely absolutely thanks James.
Speaker 1: Hey, you've never called me before, right, No.
Speaker 7: I called you three times before we actually got into
Speaker 7: a good thing about Kamala Harris.
Speaker 1: But I keep calling the show man. Appreciate it very much.
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 7: When I get out at eleven o'clock.
Speaker 12: I we're going to major hospital system in Boston.
Speaker 7: When I get out of eleven, I can call you.
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