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Speaker 2: co hosts with me, of course, as those my guests.
Speaker 2: Tho Wields the dream Wizard himself, who I've had on
Speaker 2: once before and I've been on your channel once before.
Speaker 2: He's taking over this show because when I'm when I'm
Speaker 2: live streaming video games too gets Yeah, that's it's just
Speaker 2: so funny too.
Speaker 6: Here is uh, it's got full of his claw marks
Speaker 6: to go. What do you do? He's gonna be all
Speaker 6: in the face. He's so needy. He does this when
Speaker 6: I'm laying down and go to sleep too. He puts
Speaker 6: his face on. Mind. We rescued him when he was well,
Speaker 6: my wife did. When he was a crying, starving, tiny
Speaker 6: little kitten in a bush, been separated from his from
Speaker 6: his mother, and we, you know, nursed him and fed
Speaker 6: him and he just he loves to cuddle. Never gets enough.
Speaker 6: Little separation anxiety.
Speaker 2: I'd imagine, Yeah, I imagine, I imagine. So that's common
Speaker 2: among rescues. Turned down my mic a little because I'm
Speaker 2: getting some feedback, but yeah, welcome, Welcome to the show
Speaker 2: once again, Ben.
Speaker 6: Yeah, good to be back. Always fun to talk to you.
Speaker 7: Have you?
Speaker 2: I mean, last time we did the whole dream thing
Speaker 2: on like nothing dream analysis but like, you know, what
Speaker 2: does a dream? What does it mean? On my channel?
Speaker 2: We went for two and a half hours or something like.
Speaker 1: We like that.
Speaker 6: We I talk a lot, You give me a roll
Speaker 6: and I can't stop myself. Well, speaking of which, I
Speaker 6: was telling you a story before we get started. If
Speaker 6: you want to, yeah, continue, I'm scatter brain, which I
Speaker 6: think is part of my secret sauce, part part part
Speaker 6: of what makes me able to do what I do.
Speaker 6: And so you know, for a while there and I
Speaker 6: haven't given this up. I just haven't had a dream
Speaker 6: analysis in a while, so I'm like, what am I
Speaker 6: gonna fill my time with? I need to work on
Speaker 6: another book. But that's like I kind of lost a
Speaker 6: bust of passion for finishing these things, Like what do
Speaker 6: I do? How do I force myself into that long story? Short?
Speaker 6: Started an AI music side venture, so it's it's primarily well,
Speaker 6: you can go to my YouTube dot com slash at
Speaker 6: Benjamin the Dream Wizard, and down at the very bottom
Speaker 6: is just a single playlist of all the AI Radio music.
Speaker 6: But the actual channel is at real AI Radio. And
Speaker 6: so I've decided. You know, it used to be I
Speaker 6: would just release a song whenever I was finished with it,
Speaker 6: just put it up there. Put it up there, because
Speaker 6: you got to get a bunch of content on a channel,
Speaker 6: or it's not a channel. Now I'm doing weekly releases,
Speaker 6: so I've got a bunch locked and loaded and ready
Speaker 6: to go. This is all all. The story was the
Speaker 6: story you missed out there before we started recording, and
Speaker 6: I'm working on three or four more and I just
Speaker 6: came across. It's weird how things happen. I'm on the
Speaker 6: internet and someone is talking about the Elon drama and
Speaker 6: then someone else is like, God, why does anyone care
Speaker 6: about who Elon's having kids with? And I'm like, and
Speaker 6: then the line popped into my head, well you're a
Speaker 6: better man than I am, gonna get in And I'm
Speaker 6: kinda kind of fascinated by it, even though I know
Speaker 6: who cares.
Speaker 2: Who cares?
Speaker 6: It's stupid, but it's like, ooh, who's gonna have a
Speaker 6: baby with next. It's kind of a celebrity thing, and
Speaker 6: I'm like, you know, whatever, my mouse out of the
Speaker 6: way God. Anyway, So that line is from a Rudyard
Speaker 6: Kipling poem, and I've done several Kipling poems as my
Speaker 6: AIAI radio song. So what happens with each poem is
Speaker 6: in a way it kind of speaks to me and
Speaker 6: it says this is this fits the style of the poetry,
Speaker 6: fits a specific genre. So I just did one for
Speaker 6: Valentine's Day that just came out. It's a poem by
Speaker 6: n Bradstreet from like the sixteen seventies, four hundred and
Speaker 6: fifty years ago? Is it now three hundred and fifty
Speaker 6: years something like that, three hundred and fifty I think anyway.
Speaker 6: So her poem was it's entitled to my Dear and
Speaker 6: Loving husband. So it's an ode. It's a love song. Oh,
Speaker 6: a love song? What are the different styles of love songs?
Speaker 6: And I could have said it in any genre, you know,
Speaker 6: nineteen fifties harmony, mister and man style love song could
Speaker 6: have done that. But what popped into my head really
Speaker 6: was was kind of a almost like Adele or Lana
Speaker 6: del Rey, these kind of husky voiced lounge singer. So
Speaker 6: that's what I ended up with, lots of lots of
Speaker 6: vocalizing harmonies and different stuff going on in that song.
Speaker 6: So if you listen to it, it's a it's about
Speaker 6: a two minute song based on this poem, and I
Speaker 6: said it as a you know, kind of a lounge
Speaker 6: singer style, and it's funny. It actually turned out to
Speaker 6: the image that was the best. I do like dozens
Speaker 6: and dozens of images because Grot still has trouble with
Speaker 6: fingers and faces look weird and sometimes there's there's overlapping
Speaker 6: objects in the background. I'm like, I just I can't.
Speaker 6: I can't release that with that mess. So dozens and
Speaker 6: dozens of pictures, and the one that ended up being
Speaker 6: the best looks looks a lot like another gal I
Speaker 6: follow on Twitter, a comedian by the name of LEONARDA Joni.
Speaker 6: It just looks like her, so's I actually dedicated the
Speaker 6: song that I told her and I I don't know
Speaker 6: if she saw my I mean I posted it to
Speaker 6: her timeline. I'm nobody, so she probably has no idea.
Speaker 6: I said, you know, I dedicated this to to her
Speaker 6: because if what am I trying to say it is
Speaker 6: the alternate reality where Leonardo di Joni became a lounge
Speaker 6: singer at a jazz club rather than a comedian. And
Speaker 6: so I have no idea if she saw it or not,
Speaker 6: but that's my process. Though each saw Okay, we sure
Speaker 6: too late for that gunga Din. What popped into my
Speaker 6: head was a very up tempo country riff, kind of Americana, zydico, accordion, banjo,
Speaker 6: you know, doom Doom, Doom, Doom, Doom, Doom Doom, one
Speaker 6: of those kind of things. And I'm like, okay, I'm
Speaker 6: going for that style of this because it's a very
Speaker 6: long poem too, And you've gotta right now, the software
Speaker 6: I'm using it only allows three thousand words, but it
Speaker 6: will allow you to extend something to a little bit longer.
Speaker 6: So I've got to what I had to do with
Speaker 6: another side tange, what I had to do with the
Speaker 6: Edgar Allan Poe work, The Raven. That thing is like
Speaker 6: seventeen verses long, and each verse is like twenty lines long.
Speaker 6: It's ridiculous. So I did the first five verses and these,
Speaker 6: So the song I released is not the full The Raven,
Speaker 6: but with the song like gun getd in. It tells
Speaker 6: a full story from beginning Dan. It kind of introduces
Speaker 6: the character and how the singer is interacting with that character,
Speaker 6: and then events the transpire, and then it ends at
Speaker 6: a very specific point, so I get it. So all
Speaker 6: of this goes into making the song. And it isn't
Speaker 6: just like I go boop, I've got a song. It's
Speaker 6: like I'll do I've done what is it? I've done
Speaker 6: nine or twenty different iterations trying to get the best
Speaker 6: version of something, and then I have to take audio
Speaker 6: software and try and clean it up a little bit
Speaker 6: because the program I'm using it gets what's called a
Speaker 6: shimmer in the background. That's what people have taken to
Speaker 6: calling it. It's like when there's too much background noise
Speaker 6: and audio distortion going in. And unfortunately this program i'm using,
Speaker 6: no no program does this yet. It doesn't do individual tracks. Now,
Speaker 6: it'll separate music from vocals, so you can tweak those
Speaker 6: a little bit too soft to out. And I do
Speaker 6: a lot of a lot of audio engineering on on
Speaker 6: the back end to get things to sound better. I
Speaker 6: didn't do that at the beginning. So some of the
Speaker 6: songs in the beginning are like you can hear the shimmer,
Speaker 6: you can hear how awful it is. I just said, oh,
Speaker 6: that's that's amazing, and I and then I started picking
Speaker 6: up on how to how to do it better. But
Speaker 6: I was going somewhere with that that I think I
Speaker 6: ran out of words. I'll stop, I'll stop. No, that's
Speaker 6: that's a really good story.
Speaker 2: AI music.
Speaker 6: It's amazing.
Speaker 5: It is.
Speaker 2: I mean, the intro that I'm that I have been
Speaker 2: using for the last few shows, someone made a new
Speaker 2: intro nice Queen of Blades goes by improper Ascension on Twitter.
Speaker 2: Sweet he actually did a like a whole room goth
Speaker 2: themed song for me, like and he he created it
Speaker 2: using AI ruins of the ancients, and it's it's an
Speaker 2: amazing song. It is really cool. You know, it's up tempo,
Speaker 2: it has that, you know, that that metal vibe that
Speaker 2: I love. But at the same time, it's really this
Speaker 2: this you know, there's the the pagan spirit kind of
Speaker 2: in it even though it is AI. So yeah, like,
Speaker 2: I'm really happy with that. And it saves me a
Speaker 2: lot of time as well, because the intro that I
Speaker 2: was using, that I have used with our previous show
Speaker 2: is actually copyrighted music but I have permission from the
Speaker 2: from the band to use it. But every time I
Speaker 2: upload something on you know, on YouTube, every time I
Speaker 2: schedule a new episode, I have to put that in there.
Speaker 2: It's like, hey, it's you're using copyright chats, and it's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: but I have permission. Okay, well you know, you know,
Speaker 2: plame it. It's like, okn, I just every damn time,
Speaker 2: you know, And yeah, it's good music, it's a good song.
Speaker 2: It's you know, fitting with the theme of the of
Speaker 2: the podcast, of course. But now I have one, you know,
Speaker 2: like entirely like custom creatists for me. You can find
Speaker 2: the creator on band lab is, where he posts most
Speaker 2: of his most of his his music, and I of
Speaker 2: course have the link in the description down below. The
Speaker 2: only thing that I'm kind of sad about is that
Speaker 2: I can use the full song as my intro because
Speaker 2: it's over over three and a half, closing in on
Speaker 2: like four minutes. And yeah, I mean for an intro,
Speaker 2: it's it's an epic fucking song, but for an intro,
Speaker 2: and it's still too down long, and it's it's such
Speaker 2: a shame.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I also do this is just making me think
Speaker 6: of other other stuff here too, so I've for my
Speaker 6: Dreamscape show, I do use a piece of custom music
Speaker 6: created by a digital artist musician friend of mine, and
Speaker 6: he gave me four He wrote it for me and
Speaker 6: gave it to me, So that's Fanta, and I've used
Speaker 6: some of his other works. He's like, use whatever you want.
Speaker 6: And luckily he didn't. He didn't claim anything, and no
Speaker 6: one's claiming it on his behalf, so I get away
Speaker 6: with that. But you know, for I've also been making
Speaker 6: unique intro videos for each new game that I play.
Speaker 6: I used to get DRM free music from the YouTube
Speaker 6: audio Library, and I'm running out. I've gone through everything
Speaker 6: that I think sounds good. It's the same problem. What
Speaker 6: made me think of this is some of those songs
Speaker 6: ended up being two and a half three minutes long,
Speaker 6: and I'm like, nobody wants to sit through a three
Speaker 6: minute opening song before you just get to the games already.
Speaker 6: I'm here to watch the games. So I've been creating
Speaker 6: songs using the same program and making custom videos with
Speaker 6: that custom music, and I can actually tell it and
Speaker 6: sometimes it listens. But I can actually tell it maximum
Speaker 6: length of ninety seconds, and sometimes it'll listen and it'll
Speaker 6: do the thing, and then it's no longer than an
Speaker 6: anime intro, and a lot of people can sit through.
Speaker 6: They can sit through ninety seconds, or at least when
Speaker 6: it's ninety seconds. They do know how much to fast forward.
Speaker 6: If they don't want to hear it, that's fine, But
Speaker 6: you get a custom song and a custom music video.
Speaker 6: So I've been playing and I'm gonna be playing it
Speaker 6: again today at five pm. Life Is Strange from twenty fifteen,
Speaker 6: and it's actually the twenty eighteen remastered version, but whatever
Speaker 6: it's I'm going back to the original. I have to.
Speaker 2: I have to catch up on those streams I've been doing.
Speaker 6: Story it is. They did a really good job, don't nod.
Speaker 6: I've played some other other games or the games that
Speaker 6: they've been involved with, and they're pretty good at storytelling.
Speaker 6: So it's nice that there's a But anyway, I wrote
Speaker 6: a customs. This is what actually got me into doing
Speaker 6: the AI Poetry is like. So for that one, I
Speaker 6: went to Grock and I said, write lyrics that would
Speaker 6: represent the themes and storyline and plot of Life Is
Speaker 6: Strange without spoilers, just talk about the concepts involved, and
Speaker 6: Groc gave me some lines that were a good start,
Speaker 6: and then I tweaked them to be what they are.
Speaker 6: Then I put them into suno I use suno ai,
Speaker 6: s u n O dot ai or yeah, and it
Speaker 6: really is. I have an experiment with others I probably should.
Speaker 6: This one works so so well, and I'm very familiar
Speaker 6: with it, so I'm just like, I'll just go with
Speaker 6: its limitations and do my best. So and then it
Speaker 6: turned that into the theme song that you see. It
Speaker 6: has a lot of shimmer in it before I really
Speaker 6: understood what shimmer was and how to get rid of it.
Speaker 6: But I also did another one for the game I
Speaker 6: played before that, which was Sunset Overdrive. The conceit was
Speaker 6: an energy drink company made a formula that turns everybody
Speaker 6: into disgusting mutants and they're all trying to kill everybody.
Speaker 6: You've got to rail slide on telephone wires and guardrails
Speaker 6: and all kinds of rooftops and you It's very very
Speaker 6: very kinetic, high fast paced game. Yeah, lots of lots
Speaker 6: of fun. So I did I had again Grock, Oh
Speaker 6: you know the x Ai write lyrics, give me lyrics
Speaker 6: that are about the game Sunset Overdrive, and just ran
Speaker 6: with it, and then I took that and so a
Speaker 6: I hasn't gotten to the point where it just produces
Speaker 6: instantly exactly what you're looking for in the best possible format.
Speaker 6: So there's definitely a human component that needs to go
Speaker 6: into it, which is, well, this is a good start.
Speaker 6: You've given me some some tasty meat and a lot
Speaker 6: of skeleton, and I'm gonna fill in the rest and
Speaker 6: rearrange it and make it work. And then also it's
Speaker 6: getting into that style. So what you don't want to
Speaker 6: do with the song like that is it's all about
Speaker 6: you know, rebels and post apocalypse and its tongue in
Speaker 6: cheek and a little silly, and so you don't want
Speaker 6: to say, make this classical music.
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Speaker 6: Podcast, Wrong Vibe, Wrong Vibe. So it of course it
Speaker 6: had to be punk rock. So I'm like, okay, well
Speaker 6: give me and had to look for keywords that that
Speaker 6: would make Suno behave the way I wanted it to
Speaker 6: and give me that punk rock song. And what were
Speaker 6: some of the lines. It's a so grind the skyline, pop,
Speaker 6: the sickest tricks, living like a rock star to get
Speaker 6: my kicks, no time for ordinary where rebels and we're
Speaker 6: free in this neon LT nightmare. We refuse to face defeat.
Speaker 6: That was great lines, great lines.
Speaker 2: I definitely enjoyed that, Thank very much.
Speaker 6: That's something I also added now to the to the
Speaker 6: AI channel is a playlist of all my music videos
Speaker 6: people want to see when they just game. I just
Speaker 6: take game trailers on on YouTube and again edit them
Speaker 6: for time and content and pacing for the because you
Speaker 6: want you want scene changes that go with the music.
Speaker 6: You want if the music slow and slow before a
Speaker 6: build up, you want slow pands, you want slow zooms,
Speaker 6: you want static shots, and then when it kicks in
Speaker 6: and then you want dynamic action to go. So composing
Speaker 6: producing the things that that makes sense, that flow well
Speaker 6: and and are entertaining is its own you. So I've
Speaker 6: been learning how to do that, just kind of tea
Speaker 6: teach myself things. That's I think that's all part of
Speaker 6: wizardry too. It's being the kind of person who you know,
Speaker 6: you you have the creativity to think of something to do,
Speaker 6: and then the determination and ability to follow through and say, okay,
Speaker 6: well I'm going to teach myself even if it's difficult.
Speaker 6: I know, you know, it's a self it's a self
Speaker 6: teaching type of type of Yeah, personality trade is not
Speaker 6: the right way to put it, but your attitude towards life.
Speaker 2: I get it, you can get it, which is you know,
Speaker 2: the AI stuff is actually a nice segue into you
Speaker 2: know what I asked to hear, you know on the
Speaker 2: back on the show for is well, let's let's call
Speaker 2: them made up gods, because I had this, this discussion
Speaker 2: with a friend of mine the other day, the same
Speaker 2: guy who made my intro actually, and like I am
Speaker 2: a big fan of Ruinscape, like the mmor BG RuneScape.
Speaker 2: I've been playing it on and off ever since I
Speaker 2: was twelve.
Speaker 6: So like for the last that was ancient when you
Speaker 6: got into it. That's back from the mid nineties, I think, right.
Speaker 2: The whole concept and everything. Yeah, I believe it was
Speaker 2: like developed in the in the neies and like really
Speaker 2: good popular graphics. Two thousands.
Speaker 6: Have graphics improved and kept up a little bit, or
Speaker 6: is it still kind of JANKI and all.
Speaker 2: The bends if you play RuneScape three or old school RuneScape,
Speaker 2: because they they reboot it or rebooted, redesigned the two
Speaker 2: thousand and seven servers.
Speaker 6: Okay, gotcha, because.
Speaker 2: So many people, you know, they didn't like the progression
Speaker 2: of RuneScape. You know, they when it was like actual RuneScape.
Speaker 2: What's that old school RuneScape? You know, they started playing that,
Speaker 2: and then that started to develop, and the graphics got better,
Speaker 2: of course, so that they found an old an old
Speaker 2: copy or like an old backup on a hard disk,
Speaker 2: and they asked their community. They asked their pratayors like, hey, like,
Speaker 2: would you want us to reboot this again? And yeah,
Speaker 2: they they fucking would. But in RuneScape, you know, it's
Speaker 2: also a story about several gods, you know, the three
Speaker 2: main gods Gothics, Samarakzada Domain, you know, the evil one,
Speaker 2: the neutral one, the good one. And it got me wondering,
Speaker 2: you know, since I am poly theists, you are somewhere
Speaker 2: in the middle, and there is so much time and
Speaker 2: energy has gone into creating those you know, made up gods.
Speaker 2: You know, they have followers, they have a backstory. There
Speaker 2: are freaking different ages in the world of Gillanor and
Speaker 2: like battles between the gods, et cetera. So with so
Speaker 2: much time and energy and like even money, which is
Speaker 2: just another form of energy really put into it, does
Speaker 2: that still make them fake gods because it's a video
Speaker 2: game or could you say that you know, they have
Speaker 2: kind of come to life in in you know, like
Speaker 2: in that way. Yeah, well of course, also like think
Speaker 2: of the you know, the love Craftian gods and like
Speaker 2: all the gods from the different different games for example,
Speaker 2: so much time and energy has gone into crafting those gods.
Speaker 2: So just because they're you know, computer generated or like,
Speaker 2: you know, just written on paper does not make them
Speaker 2: any any less real. So what yeah, what is what
Speaker 2: is your opinion on it? What are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I've kind of contemplated some things like this before.
Speaker 6: So two things immediately came to mind. And there's a
Speaker 6: there's a concept that gods are real or empowered to
Speaker 6: the extent of the number of followers that they have.
Speaker 6: And that's that's both what am I trying to say,
Speaker 6: figurative but also very real. I mean, like in terms
Speaker 6: of real life behavior, and the more people believe a
Speaker 6: particular thing, the more people behave a particular way. So
Speaker 6: you could say, you know, a specific type of God
Speaker 6: is responsible for or governs a given society. And in
Speaker 6: some cases it's like what doesn't matter if they're real
Speaker 6: or if the behavioral. If people behave as if real,
Speaker 6: then there what's the functional difference of that one? One
Speaker 6: way of looking at the believers equal you know, the
Speaker 6: strength of a particular God, which is not a concept
Speaker 6: I invented. I'd heard about that a long time ago,
Speaker 6: of course, you know. And then the idea that God
Speaker 6: would weaken and his influence in the world would weigh
Speaker 6: the fewer and fewer followers you have both philosophically and
Speaker 6: practically true. Then, like as to the reality of the
Speaker 6: God itself, it kind of fits with that as well, like,
Speaker 6: you know, the God is as real as his believers
Speaker 6: and act in some ways. But it also made me
Speaker 6: think that there was a time in human history before
Speaker 6: certain gods existed. And that's a controversial statement to say,
Speaker 6: because you go from the Christian perspective and you'll say, no,
Speaker 6: God was always there. God made everything, you know. But
Speaker 6: then you've got, in terms of human storytelling, in terms
Speaker 6: of people communicating these ideas and living by these ideas,
Speaker 6: there was a time before the solidified what do you
Speaker 6: call it, when you know, before the lore had all
Speaker 6: come together, for thor for Odin. Yeah, before before they
Speaker 6: had a particular image and a particular name, they were
Speaker 6: just this this grand force. Yeah, there was there was
Speaker 6: a and then. So the other side of it is
Speaker 6: that a lot of these things are real to the
Speaker 6: degree that they represent something real. So you know, I
Speaker 6: love the Greek gods for that reason because they had
Speaker 6: some very and I love to go to the idea
Speaker 6: of Mars and Aphrodite. I mean, Aphrodite is as real
Speaker 6: as the human experience of love. And that's a complicated
Speaker 6: thing to tease out, because now does that mean there
Speaker 6: is a person, a physical being, standing literally on Mount
Speaker 6: Olympus in a temple on the clouds, and that person
Speaker 6: is the that entity. That being is the literal embodiment
Speaker 6: of love itself, and hauses love to exist, et cetera,
Speaker 6: et cetera. I don't know. I've never met Aphrodite, but
Speaker 6: I've experienced love, and I've seen love be involuntary, and
Speaker 6: I've seen it drive men to great works and to
Speaker 6: self destruction. So whatever is going on there, it's a
Speaker 6: real thing. And the Greeks pulled it together in that
Speaker 6: way of saying, well, we're going to give these forces
Speaker 6: of apparent forces of nature personas, and their persona also
Speaker 6: kind of describes how the thing functions. So the idea
Speaker 6: that Aphrodite sends Cupid to shoot you with an arrow
Speaker 6: so you involuntarily experience, and then they get the idea
Speaker 6: that we are the playthings of the gods, and that
Speaker 6: way we're getting and really the way we experience emotions,
Speaker 6: it feels like we are being affected by an external
Speaker 6: force love has come into me. I have no choice
Speaker 6: to reject it. This feeling is present. Now what do
Speaker 6: I do with it? So you know, that's what I
Speaker 6: mean when I say things like, you know, a god
Speaker 6: is as real as the effect it's describing in the world,
Speaker 6: And in that sense we then, you know, somewhat contradictory
Speaker 6: to what I was saying before, that you know, existed
Speaker 6: as long as humans were capable of that emotion, even
Speaker 6: if they couldn't put it into words, even if they
Speaker 6: couldn't create a symbol or a description or a describe
Speaker 6: a practice of worship for that thing. So I'm bringing
Speaker 6: full circle and wrap it up with your you know,
Speaker 6: the idea of video game gods being real or fake,
Speaker 6: it's it's almost like how real is the thing they
Speaker 6: represent and how many followers do they have in the
Speaker 6: world enacting that through ritual in a sense so real
Speaker 6: and fake almost comes down to, you know, is it
Speaker 6: describing something true and people believe it and act upon it,
Speaker 6: or is it more pure fantasy like a unicorn where
Speaker 6: we can imagine a horse with a horn doesn't actually exist,
Speaker 6: but also people don't worship it. It doesn't represent something
Speaker 6: that inspires a religious practice. Those are all my thoughts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a lot of thoughts. I know it's very,
Speaker 2: very elaborate, but.
Speaker 6: I get it.
Speaker 2: And you know, I took RuneScape as an example because
Speaker 2: it's the best one that I know.
Speaker 6: Were you playing RuneScape when you when you have that thought,
Speaker 6: you're like, oh, I wonder about to look at the
Speaker 6: gods in this game the kind of inspiration.
Speaker 2: Watch a lot of RuneScape content creators and it's it's
Speaker 2: very popular. I think the the one with the most
Speaker 2: subscribers that might be spark Mac. I believe he is
Speaker 2: like well on his way to five hundred thousand subscribers.
Speaker 2: Ninety nine percent of his content is old school rooms
Speaker 2: Cape content, Like he'll do some other things every now
Speaker 2: and then, but old school RuneScape is his well, literally
Speaker 2: his his bread and butter. And that also made me think,
Speaker 2: you know, even the people who don't play RuneScape, you know,
Speaker 2: they call me to contact with these creators, like I
Speaker 2: see that in comments often like oh I don't even
Speaker 2: play RuneScape, but I just you know, I love watching this.
Speaker 2: They also come in contact with these ideas of you know,
Speaker 2: like the first age or second age of Gleanor, and
Speaker 2: you know, the literal God Wars. There's in the game
Speaker 2: there's a God Wars dungeon where all the gods and
Speaker 2: their their minions literally their minions reside, so they're like
Speaker 2: they're even alive in you know, the world of RuneScape still,
Speaker 2: so it it just came to mind like that. And
Speaker 2: also because it's so popular on like on social media,
Speaker 2: on the video platforms, like I said, you know, close
Speaker 2: to five hundred thousand subscribers. They may not all be
Speaker 2: followers of you know, those those gods in particular, but
Speaker 2: they at the very least coming context through the creator
Speaker 2: of you know, of those videos with the the idea
Speaker 2: of those gods and my my mind and as a
Speaker 2: tendency to go dark. It happens when you're when you're great,
Speaker 2: you can switch.
Speaker 6: It's true.
Speaker 2: I didn't even do this on purpose.
Speaker 6: That's why again, Off the Gray had to become Gandalf
Speaker 6: the White before he could back off worm Tongue and
Speaker 6: save the King of Rohan. Yeah, that's what the worm
Speaker 6: Tongue thought. He was being clever. Gandalf Storm and Crow
Speaker 6: the Gray. You have no power here, Oh the Gray
Speaker 6: has no power here. I ain't gray no more. Motherbuck
Speaker 6: throws off a rope. Yeah, yeah, shit. He came back
Speaker 6: with a new power, a new focus. That's a power.
Speaker 6: See now we're talking fantasy too, but like that inspires people,
Speaker 6: that idea of you know, And what it took for
Speaker 6: him to get there was to sacrifice himself, him and
Speaker 6: immortal being fighting another immortal being, which is very one tonic.
Speaker 6: One of them was gonna die, one of them impossibly,
Speaker 6: neither one of them was making it out of here.
Speaker 6: But his mission was so important he sacrificed himself to
Speaker 6: a worthy goal and came back with new power. That
Speaker 6: is a true phenomenon that happens in real life. Whether
Speaker 6: Gandalf ever existed or not, don't it doesn't matter, you know,
Speaker 6: whether he's completely fake. It's a true story in that sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's oh wonderful.
Speaker 6: I love that. I love it, But I interrupted just aslutely.
Speaker 2: But like even in you know, stories like the Lord
Speaker 2: Lord of the Rings, like just there will building alone
Speaker 2: that you know Tolkien has put put into it, you know,
Speaker 2: the silmar really in the hobbit that the Lord of
Speaker 2: the Rings, it has become a world in a way.
Speaker 2: And also because he you know, he pulls so much
Speaker 2: from Catholicism, from Norse paganism, Celtic paganism. You know, it's
Speaker 2: it is all all real in a way. But like
Speaker 2: also what I was thinking, you know, there are horrible
Speaker 2: things done in the name of made up beings. Like
Speaker 2: take Slanderman for example. You know, a very popular creepy
Speaker 2: pasta you know, started as like some kind of a
Speaker 2: gentleman's like, hey, just come up with something creepy. Well
Speaker 2: that turned into a slander Man, which is now an
Speaker 2: all like pop culture phenomena. But there have been two girls,
Speaker 2: I believe, like twelve and thirty, you know, twelve and
Speaker 2: fourteen years old who did despicable things in the name
Speaker 2: of slender.
Speaker 6: But took another young child out to the forest and
Speaker 6: like attempted to kill them or sacrifice.
Speaker 2: Like something that yeah, like the slender Man does in
Speaker 2: you know, the lore that is created around him. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they made it very very real. But Slender Man and
Speaker 2: you know his his stories are absolutely made up. But
Speaker 2: still it was real enough for them that they thought
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Speaker 6: For sponsoring this episodes as much as ideas sorry as
Speaker 6: much as emotions have the ability to grip us and
Speaker 6: move us, ideas do as well. I was just thinking
Speaker 6: as you were talking the idea of you know, or
Speaker 6: the concept of ideas being viral, and it's what we
Speaker 6: refer to as you know, mimetics, that these almost like genetics,
Speaker 6: these ideas, good ideas, successful ideas, powerful ideas, very bad ideas,
Speaker 6: that they can all transmit from one person to the next.
Speaker 6: And it's a very strange, like unique phenomenon to humans.
Speaker 6: I think. I don't think any prime matory of dolphins
Speaker 6: or whatever have any concept of of mimetics like we do,
Speaker 6: or ideas like we do. You know, they can't really
Speaker 6: communicate an idea that then inhabits the brain of another person.
Speaker 6: That's it's all. It's like one of the what's the
Speaker 6: the good and the bad and the ugly of the
Speaker 6: capacity for communication is I can take an idea from
Speaker 6: my head and make vibrations with my throat that hit
Speaker 6: your ear, and now the idea is in your head.
Speaker 6: That's Joe Rogan I think said, we're like psychic monkeys,
Speaker 6: so they can put our ideas into other monkeys' heads,
Speaker 6: you know, using using these using the magic of communication,
Speaker 6: which which it is really I was going somewhere with that,
Speaker 6: but but yeah, so for good or real ideas that
Speaker 6: are a field that really sees someone's imagination and they
Speaker 6: just invest a lot of time and energy and thinking
Speaker 6: about it. That's That's what if I said in the
Speaker 6: past of saying you know, what you do is what
Speaker 6: you worship is one way I put it. Uh And
Speaker 6: and some people think, no, what you worship is what
Speaker 6: you do. I'm like, yes, it is both. You know,
Speaker 6: what you do demonstrates what you worship, and what you
Speaker 6: worship influences what you do. It's one of my cats
Speaker 6: is waking up and scratching in a cardboard box and
Speaker 6: week that's loud.
Speaker 2: Wow, that was a cardboard box. Okay, do you heard
Speaker 2: like clock in the background either, Well I heard something, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's some stud of freaking cardboard.
Speaker 6: Hi. Yeah it is. It's a thick one of the
Speaker 6: Amazon delivery boxes or something. And I just put a
Speaker 6: blanket in it, you know. I I have little spots
Speaker 6: for the cats to rest all over the place, Like
Speaker 6: you can see u right right above above my head.
Speaker 6: Here's a little cat tree. They use that sometimes. And
Speaker 6: actually there's a where is it. Right here in the
Speaker 6: background on the is a kind of a little, you know,
Speaker 6: plastic basket where I've got folded up swim trunks that
Speaker 6: i wear during the summertime it's hot, and so ninety
Speaker 6: percent of the time I'm just wearing swim trunks and
Speaker 6: trying not to sweat my ass off. Well, that's that's
Speaker 6: another place the cats love to direct. And then this
Speaker 6: one's a tall cabinet back here, and up on top
Speaker 6: is where the probably one of the highest points in
Speaker 6: here that they could get up high and look down.
Speaker 6: And part of me wants to put a kind of
Speaker 6: kind of like a running board all the way around
Speaker 6: the whole top, you know, about a foot down from
Speaker 6: the ceiling, so the cats can run around the entire
Speaker 6: room if they want to. But that's a whole lot
Speaker 6: of work, and I just haven't got around to distracting
Speaker 6: nothing to do with what we're talking about cats. And
Speaker 6: then this guy is sleeping.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh so darling, but he passed out, like, you know,
Speaker 2: speaking of cats, speaking of pets, Like I'm I I
Speaker 2: can turn this into a segway. Uh No, it's all
Speaker 2: such a good podcaster. Uh But for like I've seen
Speaker 2: that example with with dogs, but I think it's just
Speaker 2: pets in in general. Cats maybe a little bit of
Speaker 2: a different story, but at the very least for dogs.
Speaker 2: You know, we are gods. We are almost these immortal
Speaker 2: beings like you know the dolves for that manner, Like
Speaker 2: we live five times as long as they do. You know,
Speaker 2: we have a living space that you know, is warm,
Speaker 2: is nice, is cozy without any effort, like we don't
Speaker 2: have to go running around or you know, like find
Speaker 2: someplace that we can can hide and warm ourselves up,
Speaker 2: and it's like fully enclosed and heated and ventilated and whatever.
Speaker 2: Like even the average lifespan for your average sized dog
Speaker 2: is what twenty.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I mean anywhere from you know ten yeah,
Speaker 6: ten to twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so about the same as as cats. And the
Speaker 2: average lifespan for us mortal humans is like eighty so yeah,
Speaker 2: like we live a good four times longer.
Speaker 6: Like the comparison too, is you know that, you know,
Speaker 6: humans to animals is kind of like elves to humans.
Speaker 6: They and if you look at that Tolkien, I mean
Speaker 6: they kind of look at us as like these short lived,
Speaker 6: not very wise, very impulsive creatures that need you know,
Speaker 6: need their wisdom and guidance. Yes, some of us are
Speaker 6: more like dwarfs and others are more like else you know,
Speaker 6: it's true. It's true. I've always identified with George. Speaking
Speaker 6: of video games too, I haven't played an MMO of
Speaker 6: that's well, I kind of did. I played Destiny too
Speaker 6: for a couple of years, but I was really into
Speaker 6: a request back in the day. I played from ninety
Speaker 6: nine to two thousand and four. I played a dwarfing
Speaker 6: cleric of Brell, so you know, I would run around
Speaker 6: shouting praise Brell and hammers high and all that a
Speaker 6: good stuff. It was fun.
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 6: I was on a PvP server, but I did the
Speaker 6: role play thing and I typed in a in a
Speaker 6: faux you know, Cockney Scottish type of r medi iritish
Speaker 6: dwarven voice that was pretty silly. I had to give
Speaker 6: that up because I was playing like twelve hours a day,
Speaker 6: and you can't do get to be you know, I
Speaker 6: didn't get a lot done during that time period. You guys,
Speaker 6: I was going to school too, so I was like,
Speaker 6: you know, that was most of it as well as
Speaker 6: like this was my hobby between classes and homework.
Speaker 2: So yeah, anyway. No, but I understand, like you get
Speaker 2: lost in those, in those kind of games. I have
Speaker 2: a tendency as well. But like, yeah, so for you know,
Speaker 2: for paths, for our paths, you know, we are almost goths.
Speaker 2: We are these you know, like greater beings. You know,
Speaker 2: we don't have to hunt. We can just open something
Speaker 2: up with light insight and it's cold insight and there's
Speaker 2: food there. Yeah.
Speaker 6: How with the magic of operating the handle on a door.
Speaker 6: They have no concept of a handle and how it
Speaker 6: latches that we can just take this wall and make
Speaker 6: a hole in it and we can go out through
Speaker 6: the hole. How did you do that? That's amazing?
Speaker 2: No, exactly, So you know, those for you know, the
Speaker 2: average animal brain, those are almost like divine powers for sure.
Speaker 2: So like divinity, I guess it is very subjective in
Speaker 2: a way, you know, or yeah, yeah, some I don't know.
Speaker 6: It depends, I guess on a lot a lot on
Speaker 6: how you conceptualize these things, because I think most maybe
Speaker 6: say noormies or folks who are who are actively religious,
Speaker 6: you know, to say Christians specifically, and they're like, no,
Speaker 6: this is a real entity, a real being, God, God exists,
Speaker 6: and maybe it's not a man in a robe, but
Speaker 6: that's a nice conceptualization that makes it more relatable to us.
Speaker 6: But whatever it is, it literally physically there, and it
Speaker 6: has taken action in the past, and it does want
Speaker 6: specific things, so you know, it's it's one of those
Speaker 6: things where like, if you're a true believer, then you're not,
Speaker 6: then you don't think it's fake at all. But then
Speaker 6: there's there's there's degrees of that as well, where it's
Speaker 6: kind of like maybe and you can tell me whether
Speaker 6: I'm in the middle or you're You're closer towards the
Speaker 6: middle on that one. But for me, I'm like, I
Speaker 6: what would I say? I think there is I wrote
Speaker 6: a poem long time ago. I'm like, I'm always trying
Speaker 6: to clarify my thoughts and it's kind of a poem
Speaker 6: but kind of a response to to to the idea
Speaker 6: of belief, and it was, you know, it's not that
Speaker 6: I don't believe a God exists. It's that I don't
Speaker 6: believe all the vain and greedy people who tell me
Speaker 6: they know what God is and what he wants from me.
Speaker 6: That's the biggest problem, because I've got to get these
Speaker 6: ideas from somewhere I'm going to trust someone. And there
Speaker 6: are a lot of vain people who grandiose. They just
Speaker 6: they think they're right, whether they are or not. It's
Speaker 6: the self vanity. And then there's the greedy people who
Speaker 6: there are they're drifting. They just tell you what you
Speaker 6: want to hear because they want your money.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they they want that tithing, you know.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that was my conundrum way back in the day.
Speaker 6: And I don't know that I've resolved it exactly. I
Speaker 6: think I have a better idea of what I think
Speaker 6: God is, and I think it is there, and I
Speaker 6: think it is something. What exactly that something is we
Speaker 6: may never know. So I'm comfortable with that.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 6: They say it's the ineffable, it's something which can not
Speaker 6: be described. The Buddhists say that about the doubt it is.
Speaker 6: It's just the way it is, the way things are,
Speaker 6: and you either flow in harmony or you try and
Speaker 6: swim upstream. But man, you're gonna get tired and the
Speaker 6: stream is going to carry you anyway. So yeah, a
Speaker 6: lot of my a lot of my you see, is
Speaker 6: talking about, you know, trying to harmonize with with with
Speaker 6: the natural way things work and then you get the
Speaker 6: idiots out there, well, cancer is natural. I'm like, sure,
Speaker 6: you got me. That's yeah, that's definitely what I'm talking about.
Speaker 6: You should just go with cancer because it's natural. It's
Speaker 6: not the naturalistic fallacy. It's you know, it's like it's
Speaker 6: like gravity, I mean, grat gravity just is. You can
Speaker 6: be angry about it, and you can try to ignore it,
Speaker 6: but you're still going to fall over if you lose
Speaker 6: your balance, and you still need a whole lot of
Speaker 6: thrust to get a rocket endo outer space. It's just
Speaker 6: the way, and you just got to, you know, first
Speaker 6: recognize it for what it is, see it accurately, and
Speaker 6: then decide what you want to do about it, you know.
Speaker 6: And that's what a lot of these, you know, say,
Speaker 6: instruction books are is like, Okay, here's what the world is,
Speaker 6: here's how it works, and here's what you should do
Speaker 6: about it. And that I think that's kind of what
Speaker 6: characterizes religion. Am I missing? You're just kind of making
Speaker 6: this up on the fly.
Speaker 2: Your your It sounds and sounds like like me ten
Speaker 2: years ago, you know, like I I believe there is
Speaker 2: something I just don't know what it is. And then
Speaker 2: I you know, I stumbled upon the uh, the pagan path,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh, well this is it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, there you go. If those things speak to you
Speaker 6: and give you meaning and if you find you're able
Speaker 6: to better and a lot of the proof is in
Speaker 6: the pudding. So they say, like the Bible is basic
Speaker 6: instructions before leaving Earth. It's okay, that's clever, that's just cute,
Speaker 6: But it is. Yeah, that's what it's. Whether it is
Speaker 6: or is, and that's what it's meant to be. This
Speaker 6: these stories are meant to be informative, instructive, you know,
Speaker 6: and and all the all of the above. So I
Speaker 6: was going somewhere with that.
Speaker 2: I forgot every Yeah, no, I mean it's the same
Speaker 2: thing with the poetic at Us, same thing with the
Speaker 2: Purse at Us, same thing with the with the Havamal,
Speaker 2: same thing with you know, all the all the difference.
Speaker 2: Stunzas like they're not religious texts. Like every time I
Speaker 2: speak to her, Christians like, so like, what are your
Speaker 2: religious texts? Well, we don't have any. Okay, it does
Speaker 2: not compute mm hmm. But you know, there's stories about
Speaker 2: our gods, there are stories about our ancestors, and yeah,
Speaker 2: we're you know, we are supposed to to learn from
Speaker 2: those from those stories. Otherwise they wouldn't have been been
Speaker 2: written down, Otherwise they wouldn't have been regarded as so important.
Speaker 2: But yeah, you know, they're they're I mean, they're not
Speaker 2: necessarily instructions, but they're they're guidelines. Is like, if you
Speaker 2: want to honor the gods, if you want to be
Speaker 2: a honorable man, honorable woman, according to you know, to
Speaker 2: the gods, this is what you should be doing. But
Speaker 2: it's it's it's still kind of leaving the the choice
Speaker 2: up to you. Like, of course it's preferable if if
Speaker 2: you do, but if you don't, hey, you know, that's
Speaker 2: that's a to you and the consequences are you know,
Speaker 2: for yourself as well.
Speaker 6: That that reminds me what I'm going to say. The
Speaker 6: key phrase being a proof is in the pudding type
Speaker 6: of thing. Is like, if a given story, your set
Speaker 6: of stories, or let's say one story describes a true thing,
Speaker 6: and you can use that information to successfully navigate a
Speaker 6: similar situation in your own life and come out of
Speaker 6: it with the best possible outcome, even if that outcome
Speaker 6: is tragic because it can't be avoided. Maybe you minimize
Speaker 6: the damage that kind of thing, or you avoid a
Speaker 6: problem because you saw it coming. And that's you know,
Speaker 6: I'm probably most familiarly familiar, as I say, with the
Speaker 6: Greeks and Greek myths and Christian stuff. So you take
Speaker 6: the idea of something like Noah in the flood, and
Speaker 6: it's like, Okay, was there ever a man, one man
Speaker 6: named Noah and he walked with God and God told
Speaker 6: him to build a boat, and then a flood came?
Speaker 6: I fuck if I know. I mean, I think probably
Speaker 6: the younger, driest impact theory about you know, twelve thousand
Speaker 6: years ago destroyed hit somewhere I think in the Atlantic
Speaker 6: and then swamped Atlantis, swamp the civilization that was in
Speaker 6: the Mediterranean that at the time, which we had then
Speaker 6: leftover vestiges of that made it into Egyptian myth, Greek myth,
Speaker 6: and Biblical lore. Of course, long story short. So, but
Speaker 6: is it true that you are a man going through
Speaker 6: life who's trying to say, walk with God and if
Speaker 6: they describe God as the Way, the Truth and the
Speaker 6: life and all that kind of stuff. So if you're
Speaker 6: trying to follow the doo, live in harmony with the
Speaker 6: world around you, paying attention to your footsteps as you're
Speaker 6: moving forward and what's likely coming on the horizon. You're
Speaker 6: in the best possible position to say, I see a
Speaker 6: problem is about to confront me. I can get ready
Speaker 6: for it before it gets here. That preparedness will help
Speaker 6: me survive better. And not only that, it'll help my
Speaker 6: friends and family survive with me, because I'm in a
Speaker 6: better position to help them. So is it real, whether
Speaker 6: or not it ever happened? I think yes. I think
Speaker 6: stories are valuable to the degree that they describe a
Speaker 6: true phenomenon that gives you useful information for the best
Speaker 6: possible outcome, so that the proof isn't the pudding type
Speaker 6: of thing. So if your stories that you find meaningful
Speaker 6: give you insights into human nature and human struggles and
Speaker 6: how to overcome particular obstacles, how to how to walk
Speaker 6: in the world in a way that honors the gods
Speaker 6: so that they smile upon you and smooth the way
Speaker 6: forward for you, I think it's very real. I think
Speaker 6: even you know, even fake gods, if they serve that purpose,
Speaker 6: it's as real as anything, which which is an interesting
Speaker 6: thing that's all about how you describe real and fake.
Speaker 6: You know, what's is something that never happened, nonetheless still real.
Speaker 6: I think so, which I mean? I don't know how
Speaker 6: to reconcile these live with a lot of contradictions in
Speaker 6: my head that just I don't think can.
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Speaker 6: I love that. I love that Yin Yang too. It's
Speaker 6: like we're all, you know, comprised of opposites in a
Speaker 6: lot of ways, and they just have to coexist. This
Speaker 6: is just one of those things. Yeah, no, it doesn't
Speaker 6: make sense. Yes, that's the way it is. Deal with it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, absolutely, And I think you're you know, you're
Speaker 2: definitely making about the point, like it doesn't matter whether
Speaker 2: you know the stories are literal, you know, literal, allegorical, metaphorical,
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter. Like it's about the teachings, you know,
Speaker 2: it's about like what do you do with those stories?
Speaker 2: What do you do you know, with the with the
Speaker 2: characters and the you know, the shit that they go through.
Speaker 2: What lessons are you taking out of them?
Speaker 6: And we can get that from pure fantasy novels like
Speaker 6: Lord of the Rings. I mean, no one has to
Speaker 6: believe Gandalf and Frodo ever went on a on an adventure,
Speaker 6: but they can read the story and see things that
Speaker 6: not just entertain but in form and kind of give
Speaker 6: a perspective on more than anything, gives us people to
Speaker 6: aspire to emulate in that way of like, you know,
Speaker 6: I want to be more like this guy because he
Speaker 6: did things that I thought, I mean, what why? And
Speaker 6: it's universal I think ninety I'd say like ninety eight
Speaker 6: ninety nine percent of people at least get a little
Speaker 6: reclemped at that scene at the end where Eric Garn
Speaker 6: takes a knee and says, no, my friends, no one
Speaker 6: bows to you.
Speaker 5: Ah.
Speaker 6: I know you're feeling it with I got the chills.
Speaker 6: That's well, there's another scene like that this I get
Speaker 6: the same feeling from you. Remember the Toby Maguire Spider Man.
Speaker 6: I think it was part two. Doctor Octopus was up
Speaker 6: part one I don't remember, but he was saving the
Speaker 6: train full of people and he exhausted himself and he
Speaker 6: passed out and was about to fall, and they caught it,
Speaker 6: and they brought him in and they passed him, hand
Speaker 6: over him and get a kid his age whoa, And
Speaker 6: I'm like, I'm getting Oliver clamped against that heroic moment,
Speaker 6: that thing where you've done something amazing and people truly
Speaker 6: appreciate it, they truly get it, and they give you
Speaker 6: the proper respect for that thing. And then so what
Speaker 6: should we draw lesson should we be? Well, the lesson
Speaker 6: I draw from this, I want to do things that
Speaker 6: make the people around me feel like that towards me,
Speaker 6: you know. And it's hard to save the world. The
Speaker 6: world is seven billion people, and it's millions of miles around,
Speaker 6: or however, thousands of miles around I don't even know,
Speaker 6: millions of miles to the sun, thousands of miles around
Speaker 6: on the earth a lot in circumference, I think is
Speaker 6: I've forgotten, but it's ten thousands of miles something like that. Anyway,
Speaker 6: So you've got to then, Okay, well, how can I
Speaker 6: do this in a realistic and practical way, Well, just
Speaker 6: the people in my life. And number one, I take
Speaker 6: care of meat as best I can so that I'm
Speaker 6: in good shape to take care of my wife and
Speaker 6: vice versa. But then we try to construct our life
Speaker 6: in a way that makes us able to help others,
Speaker 6: and you get this ripple in the pond. I mean
Speaker 6: so many fantastic analogies. You know, be the ripple in
Speaker 6: the pond so that your actions spread out and positively
Speaker 6: impact other people. The funny thing about that is it's
Speaker 6: one of those truthings like, you are the ripple in
Speaker 6: the pond either way, So make sure your actions are
Speaker 6: not bad because that is going to ripple also, so
Speaker 6: it might be interesting to your eyes are like, what
Speaker 6: was the question I had in my head a moment ago?
Speaker 6: It's like, what makes what makes a person or what
Speaker 6: kind of person needs a story to be true in
Speaker 6: order to feel like it's real? And the thought that
Speaker 6: occurred to me is like, well, we don't want to
Speaker 6: invest our belief in things we know to be false.
Speaker 6: We have kind of a human inclination against it. Well,
Speaker 6: if it's not true, why would I believe it? So
Speaker 6: we kind of want to believe that the things we
Speaker 6: believe are true, that they actually did happen. And maybe
Speaker 6: it's a different kind of individual like myself or I
Speaker 6: don't know, who doesn't need things to be real in
Speaker 6: order to be true. Or maybe most people have never
Speaker 6: come across that idea before. I think Jordan Peterson has
Speaker 6: been popularizing that idea lately, is you know, I think
Speaker 6: he would agree with me, or he would also say,
Speaker 6: it doesn't matter whether it ever happened, it's about the
Speaker 6: story itself. It's about the truth of the story. Yeah,
Speaker 6: And I think that's in a way, that's kind of
Speaker 6: what we do when we're giving analogies by way of
Speaker 6: example to prove some argumentative point. We're making it up.
Speaker 6: We're saying, what if this happened, you see the scenario
Speaker 6: and how it turned out. Well, that's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 6: People have and maybe there's a certain type of person
Speaker 6: that really can't grasp argument by analogy either, and they'd
Speaker 6: be a very concrete type of individuals, like, but that
Speaker 6: didn't happen, Like yeah, it's just a what if it's
Speaker 6: just a furg Well then if what if what nothing happened?
Speaker 6: That's not don't do that. I've actually come across people
Speaker 6: like that that are just they kind of Okay, I
Speaker 6: have to take a different attack if I want to
Speaker 6: communicate with this. It's not it's not all the time,
Speaker 6: and I don't do a lot of online arguing anywhere
Speaker 6: outside of Twitter.
Speaker 2: There's not enough to be argued on Twitter.
Speaker 6: Right. You can find an argument about anything if you're
Speaker 6: looking for it. It keywords, some stuff.
Speaker 2: That's why I stay away from the platform as much
Speaker 2: as possible.
Speaker 6: Really, yeah, I argue less with certain people. Like if
Speaker 6: I make a point and someone comes back with an
Speaker 6: irrelevant response that's kind of insulting. I just respond with
Speaker 6: the jiff that says, understandable, have a great day, They're
Speaker 6: not gonna whatever. That's so annoying. Thank you.
Speaker 2: When people do that, that's so fucking bad.
Speaker 6: I mean, I'm I.
Speaker 2: I am a millennial, but I I at certain times
Speaker 2: just like very much like to give them just the
Speaker 2: boomer thumbs up.
Speaker 6: There you go, the kid at the nineties computer.
Speaker 2: Or yeah, that's that's even better.
Speaker 6: Just oh yeah, one of one of my favorites. Well, well,
Speaker 6: that that expression and that that thumbs up and makes
Speaker 6: me think of I think his name's Chao Yun Fat
Speaker 6: and he's playing in some Chinese eight nineteen eighties police
Speaker 6: drama and he's in a wheelie chair and he pops
Speaker 6: around a corner. He's chewing on some food. He's like
Speaker 6: like whatever, whatever, dude, you do you cool story?
Speaker 2: Bro? Yeah?
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like there's just I think I've learned
Speaker 6: lately who is or is not worth arguing with sometimes?
Speaker 6: You know, it used to be I would argue with
Speaker 6: anybody about anything because I was searching. And then once
Speaker 6: I started finding answers, then I stopped arguing with people
Speaker 6: about the things that I think I've got to handle on.
Speaker 6: And now I just say certain things that I think
Speaker 6: are true and people agree or disagree, you know. So
Speaker 6: sometimes I'm just thinking out loud, and sometimes I'm responding
Speaker 6: to try and add perspective, and and it's and then
Speaker 6: I try to was a divorce my sell from the results.
Speaker 6: It's like I have done everything I can by saying this.
Speaker 6: You agree, you don't. You get it, you don't. It's
Speaker 6: nothing I can do about that. But I felt like
Speaker 6: it needed to be said, which is a great thing too.
Speaker 6: There's a phrase that I it was a poem or
Speaker 6: something someone came up with years ago. It's like, before interacting, engaging,
Speaker 6: or responding to a certain thing, ask yourself three questions.
Speaker 6: Does this need to be said? Is this what I'm
Speaker 6: about to say need to be said? Is this just
Speaker 6: some reason behind it? Does this need to be said
Speaker 6: by me? Maybe someone else can handle it better. Maybe
Speaker 6: I wait, maybe I'm not the one to say it. Whatever,
Speaker 6: And the third question is does this need to be
Speaker 6: said by right now? Is this the right time and
Speaker 6: place and forum for interaction to engage with this? So,
Speaker 6: I mean, I think if more people ask themselves those questions.
Speaker 6: And it's a wonderful, wonderfully poetic composition to it as well,
Speaker 6: does this need to be said by me? Does this
Speaker 6: need to be said by me? Or does this need
Speaker 6: to be said buy me right now? It's like a
Speaker 6: three part anyway, I fucked it up already, but you
Speaker 6: I get it. I get it. It's kind of that's
Speaker 6: a very viraly mimetic idea as well, and I think
Speaker 6: that's why humans love our aphorisms. That's actually I've got
Speaker 6: a I've got a lot of books I'm probably never
Speaker 6: going to get around to writing, but one of them
Speaker 6: is a Wizard's Guide to the aspirational aphorism, and the
Speaker 6: purpose of it would be to take things where So
Speaker 6: I would start with something simple like page one, whatever
Speaker 6: is an apple a day keeps the doctor away? Now
Speaker 6: wait a minute, let's look at all the ways, all
Speaker 6: the things. This doesn't mean apples. Doctors are not afraid
Speaker 6: of apples, like vampires are afraid of a cross. That's
Speaker 6: not what it means. So we go through that, through
Speaker 6: that kind of stuff, and it's like, so, wait a minute,
Speaker 6: apples are healthy for you, but just eating apples keeps
Speaker 6: you out of the doctor's office. No, if you ate
Speaker 6: nothing but apples, you would probably develop some other nutritional deficits.
Speaker 6: It's not a healthy Okay, that's not what it means it,
Speaker 6: So let's reduce it to what it is is if
Speaker 6: you pay attention to your health, if you eat healthy
Speaker 6: number one, you're going to be less sick later on. So,
Speaker 6: and there's a lot of people that they they find
Speaker 6: the they challenge those aphorisms like yeah, but there's an exception,
Speaker 6: like if there's always an exception, that's that's.
Speaker 2: Not recommentative people, you know, the actually like those guys.
Speaker 6: Who they are guy, yeah, yeah, yeah, And I'm like,
Speaker 6: you're not wrong, but that's really and then you then
Speaker 6: you throw up the jeff missing the point as it
Speaker 6: flies overhead.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, no exactly. I see those those people a lot.
Speaker 2: You know, we had one the other day in the roundtable,
Speaker 2: I'm often on with Bush Whisper Shaman, you know, like
Speaker 2: he took one comma. Then it's like, so nobody's gonna
Speaker 2: question this if you all think it's normal that this
Speaker 2: person does that. And he's like, bro, that's that's not
Speaker 2: that's not what it's about. You know, you're looking to argue.
Speaker 2: You're looking to, you know, like make the life at
Speaker 2: end the life round table, because we see the chat happening.
Speaker 2: You're trying to make it about you. It's not about
Speaker 2: you walk Hof Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And I'm unfortunately, I think I've probably been that
Speaker 6: guy in the past when I'm trying to when I
Speaker 6: have been seeking to better understand what those aphorisms actually mean. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I've been to the get go wait a minute, that
Speaker 6: doesn't really cover all bases, like yeah, but it's then
Speaker 6: I had to personally get to a point where I
Speaker 6: was like, okay, but it's true for most cases. And
Speaker 6: then also the idea of like there are some people
Speaker 6: who are like, you know, I say, oh, here's the rule,
Speaker 6: here's what generally happens. Here's like it covers you know,
Speaker 6: ninety eight ninety nine percent of cases, and someone says
Speaker 6: not all, so it's not really a rule. I'm like,
Speaker 6: in my then this is It took me a long
Speaker 6: time to understand this phrase too. The exception proves the rule,
Speaker 6: and I'm like, wait a minute. If there's exceptions, then
Speaker 6: it's not a rule. No, No, it's it's it's a
Speaker 6: contradiction that exists together and both things are true. Exception
Speaker 6: to a rule is typically extraordinary, an outlier for a reason.
Speaker 6: There's some way they don't fit a tip pattern. So
Speaker 6: the pattern exists just because the edge might be a
Speaker 6: little fuzzy and there might be a few people that
Speaker 6: fall outside, that doesn't mean the pattern is not there.
Speaker 6: It doesn't mean it's not ubiquitous. It doesn't mean it's
Speaker 6: not probably good advice for as I say, ninety nine
Speaker 6: to ninety eight percent of people. And then you get
Speaker 6: around you know, so this is one situation where we
Speaker 6: got to see, you know, what's right for you as well.
Speaker 6: So for me being a parent, having kids not the
Speaker 6: right thing to do. Never did it, never wanted to.
Speaker 6: The whole idea terrified me, not just for my own sake, like, oh,
Speaker 6: I don't want to give them my comfy lifestyle, but
Speaker 6: I'm going to mess up a kid. There's no way
Speaker 6: I'm gonna do that, right, So I'm just not going
Speaker 6: to make a kid that I mess up. And I'm
Speaker 6: not blaming you know, a lot of people go, oh god,
Speaker 6: how is your relationship with their parents? But they're great people,
Speaker 6: they did a good job. I don't blame them for anything.
Speaker 6: I'm just looking at like, I can't do this. That
Speaker 6: is beyond my capacity. And I had to be honest
Speaker 6: about that for you know, because I I was thinking
Speaker 6: of you know, I'm twelve, thirteen, fifteen, and I'm starting
Speaker 6: to learn, oh, you know, eventually I'm going to be
Speaker 6: an adult and adults get married and have kids, and
Speaker 6: do I want that? Should I do that? And my
Speaker 6: decision was no. But I consider myself to be that
Speaker 6: exception that proves the rule of like, Okay, if you're
Speaker 6: someone like me, maybe this is not for you, But
Speaker 6: for ninety eight ninety nine percent all the other humans
Speaker 6: on the globe, you probably want to get married, have kids,
Speaker 6: and that's your meaning of life, and that's your your
Speaker 6: ticket to the best possible fulfilling purpose in life, even
Speaker 6: if there's exceptions like me, and hey, maybe you're an
Speaker 6: exception too. Probably not there was the chance that I
Speaker 6: probably was not an exception either. I had to really
Speaker 6: wrestle with the idea and then come around to that idea.
Speaker 6: So yeah, that's that's what I get to with these
Speaker 6: these aphorisms. You know, it's like, you know, you can't
Speaker 6: think of any others, but you've got to be interested
Speaker 6: in figuring out why it's generally correct, and then you
Speaker 6: can identify the outliers and exceptions, and then that helps
Speaker 6: you find out, well, am I one of the exceptions
Speaker 6: or not?
Speaker 2: But anyway, yeah, yeah, never wanted to be a father,
Speaker 2: so you just took in.
Speaker 6: A bunch of cats instead, pretty much.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: No, I still have a you know, lots of you know,
Speaker 6: love and compassion to give, and I still you know,
Speaker 6: hope to mitigate the suffering of creatures that are around me.
Speaker 6: And you know, I don't you know this. And that's
Speaker 6: the other thing too, is people get really hung up
Speaker 6: on some of their specific beliefs and they're like, well,
Speaker 6: if you don't want what I want, then there's something
Speaker 6: wrong with you. I'm like, well, sure you could say
Speaker 6: this something wrong with Yeah, maybe, and maybe I was
Speaker 6: born with something wrong that made me terrified of you know,
Speaker 6: damaging a human when everybody's scared, and you just kind
Speaker 6: of do it anyway because you should. There's a kind
Speaker 6: of enough multiply thing. You know, there's a commandment in
Speaker 6: there ish not actually one of the Ten commandments, but
Speaker 6: still anyway.
Speaker 2: I mean, I I am a I am a father.
Speaker 2: I have a you know, I have two kids, well
Speaker 2: three if you if you count firefight her son as well.
Speaker 2: I trying the best that I can from a distance. Yeah,
Speaker 2: being a parent is absolutely fucking terrifying because you know,
Speaker 2: you you find out that you know, your parents too,
Speaker 2: had no idea nobody was hell they were doing. They
Speaker 2: know to feed you, they know to clothe you, they
Speaker 2: know to clean you, they know that try not to
Speaker 2: drop you on your head. Yeah, for example, although I
Speaker 2: guess with some people, you know, it happens. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: so I thought may have been being dropped on their
Speaker 2: hat as well.
Speaker 6: That's true. I hit rock, sliding glass doors. I probably
Speaker 6: get a lot of head trauma for as a kid.
Speaker 6: None of it my parents fault.
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Speaker 6: Most of it may be one, okay, one example, I
Speaker 6: was like five years old. Maybe my parents are like,
Speaker 6: let's go to the Hoover det. Well, my dad mostly
Speaker 6: my mom's kind of comes along. It's like, so, my
Speaker 6: dad's an engineer, the civil designs towers. When so he's
Speaker 6: got a big fascination with the Hoover Dam, huge magnificent project,
Speaker 6: and he wanted to take his kid to go see it.
Speaker 6: And well what do I do. I'm a little shit
Speaker 6: and they're calling me as I run away, looking back
Speaker 6: over my shoulder, laughing at them like haha, I can't
Speaker 6: get me. I turned around just in time to go
Speaker 6: face first into a giant rock and not bloody, bloody forehead,
Speaker 6: crying and all that stuff, And they probably felt terrible.
Speaker 6: Why couldn't I save my son? For it was entirely
Speaker 6: my fault. It was a stupid kid playing games when
Speaker 6: I shouldn't have and got myself hurt, and you know,
Speaker 6: less just like that of like, okay, God, if I
Speaker 6: had a kid like that, I would just die. I
Speaker 6: would just I would have a heart attack. I mean
Speaker 6: that being I couldn't sleep from constant anxiety. I mean's
Speaker 6: just this is gonna be horrible. So and sometimes you
Speaker 6: just do it anyway. You're like, this is no, this
Speaker 6: is important enough, This is what I should do, This
Speaker 6: is what I feel cold to do. And definitely, by
Speaker 6: all means, I'm not an anti natalist, even even if
Speaker 6: I kind of used to be. But that's a whole
Speaker 6: nother kettle of fish. Not anymore. I'm like, I do
Speaker 6: it stochcatay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, people kids like at the same time, you know,
Speaker 2: look at that that you know baby in your arms.
Speaker 2: He is he is totally your baby. You know he's
Speaker 2: your baby now?
Speaker 6: Yeah, he is. I just need them to kind of
Speaker 6: take care of themselves. Mostly this. I'm not even a
Speaker 6: dog person because they need too much tension, Like I
Speaker 6: can't yuh, the only dog you know, you might have
Speaker 6: seen it in the past. I had that little little
Speaker 6: white dog, Peanut. He would sit in my lap sometimes.
Speaker 6: He mean you may or met it.
Speaker 7: Well.
Speaker 6: He passed a while ago. He had a he had
Speaker 6: issues and he had to go. So I hope you're okay.
Speaker 6: It's neither it's okay, It's okay. I'll keep I'll keep
Speaker 6: telling a story here, even even him. I mean, I
Speaker 6: found myself thinking of him the other day of like,
Speaker 6: if he was still here, I would need to work
Speaker 6: about letting him out in the snow and bringing him
Speaker 6: back in and making sure, you know, he was okay
Speaker 6: and was he able to go to the bathroom? Does
Speaker 6: you know are the raccoons out there in the dark.
Speaker 6: Just just that level. So I don't even want a dog.
Speaker 6: That level of responsibility is just too much, too to
Speaker 6: anxiety provoking for me. So, oh my god, having kids,
Speaker 6: I don't think I could do it. I don't even
Speaker 6: know if I could say taking a you know, an
Speaker 6: adopted kid or something even one that was a little
Speaker 6: bit older and a little more self. You know, you
Speaker 6: don't have to wipe their butt, but you got to
Speaker 6: make sure they're getting their homework done, that kind of thing,
Speaker 6: And I should know if I can handle that. I
Speaker 6: thought about what am I saying. I've thought about doing that,
Speaker 6: Like do I have a say, maybe a social or
Speaker 6: human responsibility to say, you know, to taking a kid
Speaker 6: that didn't have a house, he's living in foster care
Speaker 6: and you know, or an orphan or something like that.
Speaker 6: And part of me wants to wants to be that
Speaker 6: kind of a hero in a way. And that's another
Speaker 6: thing about our hero Our concept of heroics has little
Speaker 6: got a little screwed up. I think we think of,
Speaker 6: you know, someone's only a hero if they you know,
Speaker 6: have spider powers or a cape and they fly, or
Speaker 6: the strength of hercules. I'm like, well, these these heroes
Speaker 6: were set up as as aspirational figures. Sure, but it's
Speaker 6: it's what was it? I saw some of you speaking
Speaker 6: of cats of what there was a was it cats
Speaker 6: or was kids? There was a a guy that like
Speaker 6: a pizza delivery guy or something like that uber driver
Speaker 6: or something that ran into a burning house, and I
Speaker 6: think it was a kid saved a kid and then
Speaker 6: heard there was another one trapped in there, went back
Speaker 6: and did it a second time and jumped out the
Speaker 6: second story window. Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean that's a hero.
Speaker 6: That's just a dude absolutely responded in the situation. Didn't
Speaker 6: have the strength of hercules, he wasn't invulnerable to fire.
Speaker 6: That's that's even more impressive in my mind. You've got
Speaker 6: someone literally just weak but determined. I think that's that's
Speaker 6: a That's a big trope in anime too, And I
Speaker 6: think it's on purpose. How do these story reason are
Speaker 6: what is it? It's the hero's journey, it is it
Speaker 6: is very much. Yeah, yeah, and it's you know, so
Speaker 6: you get the call to adventure. You know, you've made
Speaker 6: it into the special school for gifted kids or whatever.
Speaker 6: And maybe some of them have powers and whatnot, and sure,
Speaker 6: but what I'm not trying to say, it's the idea
Speaker 6: of someone who maybe even isn't special, talented, powerful, any
Speaker 6: of those things, but they have a strong drive to
Speaker 6: do what's right and they've got that determination to see
Speaker 6: it through. And that those kind of themes show up
Speaker 6: and animate a lot of the person you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no's that's all about like sacrifice and self
Speaker 2: sacrifice as well. You know, to have a strong drive,
Speaker 2: to have a strong will is to sacrifice the insecurity,
Speaker 2: to sacrifice the thoughts of what may happen for just
Speaker 2: fighting for the desired outcome. And that's what that Uber
Speaker 2: delivery guy. I've seen the story. I have no idea
Speaker 2: who it is, but you know, on the the odd
Speaker 2: chances that you are watching now, the odd chance that
Speaker 2: you are listening, Bro, you are a fucking hero, don't.
Speaker 2: I don't want to tell you anything else.
Speaker 6: Well, and then you ask him and he'll be like,
Speaker 6: I did I'm not a hero, and that's pretty common
Speaker 6: of heroes. It's like, this is I don't even see
Speaker 6: myself in that way. I don't. I don't feel better
Speaker 6: than I think I am because I did this. They
Speaker 6: just needed to be done.
Speaker 2: So let's let's take that. You know, we were talking
Speaker 2: about people, you know, the the actually and the what ifs.
Speaker 2: Let's take that from Let's take that, you know that
Speaker 2: that comment from the other side, what if he did?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 2: Agnowlan's like, oh, yeah, yeah, I'm a hero. I know
Speaker 2: I'm a hero. Does that still make him, you know,
Speaker 2: a hero if he has the well, let's say that
Speaker 2: the blown up ego, you know, the or what is
Speaker 2: its homelander? Is that is that kind of a I've
Speaker 2: never I haven't seen that.
Speaker 6: Did you watch The Boys? Or no?
Speaker 2: No, no, I I don't.
Speaker 6: I mean I kinda the villain. So and he does
Speaker 6: have an inflated sense of ego, but they also explain
Speaker 6: his childhood and how he ended up that way and
Speaker 6: it's not his fault, but still shits. It's a really
Speaker 6: good it's a really good series. The latest season was
Speaker 6: a little Man but that's okay, but.
Speaker 2: Like, what if he It's a fair point though, like, yeah,
Speaker 2: he is a hero for doing that, but as a hero,
Speaker 2: like aren't you kind of supposed to say, like, you know,
Speaker 2: it was nothing, it was just you know, I think
Speaker 2: we liked I did it because I don't even know
Speaker 2: why I did it, Like it was just an instantaneous response,
Speaker 2: a reaction like I saw someone in trouble, I knew
Speaker 2: there was trouble. I just went out and do it.
Speaker 6: I were moving just did Yeah. Yeah. I think there's
Speaker 6: a bit of a trope again of the quintessential hero
Speaker 6: also being humble and saying no, no, no thanks are necessary, no,
Speaker 6: no parades, no, no glory. I don't really think I'm
Speaker 6: all that great. We kind of like that he's humble too.
Speaker 6: But if you know, if someone did something heroic and
Speaker 6: someone said you're a hero, and he's like, you're right,
Speaker 6: I am. That was pretty damn heroic. I'm proud of myself.
Speaker 6: I don't think that takes anything from it. I think
Speaker 6: that's actually kind of funny. I mean, I said it
Speaker 6: in a funny way intentionally because I'm not even comfortable
Speaker 6: taking that idea seriously. I think I think we want
Speaker 6: humility in the hero as well, so that kind of
Speaker 6: colors what we expect in a way. But I don't
Speaker 6: think it actually takes anything away from from the from
Speaker 6: the act for the person to then have a realistic
Speaker 6: appraisal of it, going yeah, yeah, maybe I should tell
Speaker 6: people I'm a hero and that that this is a
Speaker 6: heroic thing to do, and that, you know what, they
Speaker 6: should do it too, and if you want to be
Speaker 6: a hero, you should be like me, I did a
Speaker 6: heroic thing. Yeah. That that does sit so uncomfortably though,
Speaker 6: because it's like maybe it's a Western thing as well.
Speaker 2: Maybe it is because I, ah, just yesterday, yesterday evening,
Speaker 2: I started watching you know, like speaking of you know,
Speaker 2: the Great Gods, and I started watching Hercules the legendary.
Speaker 6: Journeys with Oh those were fun back.
Speaker 2: In the day.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, like the off Xena and then
Speaker 6: Hercules and Zina got together in some episodes. I watched
Speaker 6: all that shit in the nineties, I did.
Speaker 2: I mean, I have, like I can't remember like snippets
Speaker 2: of it. I don't think I've ever watched a full episode,
Speaker 2: but I you know, just see everybody who's absolutely lyric
Speaker 2: about it, like, oh, that was so good, and like
Speaker 2: now I'm watching it and the cgi is absolutely fucking horrendous.
Speaker 6: Oh it's terrible. And if you're growing up at all,
Speaker 6: they really were for kind of kids and teenagers in
Speaker 6: a way. Yeah, but it's a little campy and goofy
Speaker 6: and it's silly and that makes it fun too. You
Speaker 6: get some of the over the top characters like Aries
Speaker 6: I think was in there, and he was you know,
Speaker 6: he's got this long dark hair and his beard or
Speaker 6: mustache or whatever. It was very full of himself.
Speaker 2: Like I'm still like finishing up a season one, like
Speaker 2: they're forty five minutes episodes is pretty long.
Speaker 6: Actually yeah, they were hour long with commercials of forty
Speaker 6: five minutes.
Speaker 2: Again yeah, yeah, uh for sure. The the what is
Speaker 2: it the Toga salesman from Believe like episodes to episode three.
Speaker 2: He's a goofy character. He's kind of like the annoying
Speaker 2: sidekick character. But that that makes it fun. But where
Speaker 2: I was going with this, it's like I noticed that
Speaker 2: in the in the show, it's like he knows he's Hercules.
Speaker 2: Everyone knows who Hercules is, even if they you know,
Speaker 2: don't necessarily know. You know, he is is Hercules. So
Speaker 2: what does he do the things that he does well
Speaker 2: because he's Hercules and that is what you know, what
Speaker 2: is expected of him. Well, you know, he's still you know,
Speaker 2: he still saves the day. He still saves you know,
Speaker 2: the king or the damsel into stress or the kids.
Speaker 2: You know, so he is still a hero at the
Speaker 2: end of the day, or you know, make sure that
Speaker 2: somebody else triumphs, making him kind of the hero but
Speaker 2: the other guy, the victor, if you will. But does
Speaker 2: that make him less in any way? Like he knows
Speaker 2: he's a hero, he knows his Hercules, he knows what's
Speaker 2: expected of him. That's why he does it. You know,
Speaker 2: it's not out of the kindness of its heart, of
Speaker 2: his hearts. I mean, I'm sure that that plays a
Speaker 2: part in it as well. I'm not, you know, really
Speaker 2: up on my great mythology, but it's like, yeah, I'm Hercules,
Speaker 2: I'm the son of Zeus. I'm a hero. I have
Speaker 2: like divine strength and will and allso this is what
Speaker 2: I am supposed to do. It's not, you know, the
Speaker 2: the like. In contrast to the example that we just mentioned,
Speaker 2: it sounds very heroic. Is like, oh, yeah, it's my
Speaker 2: you know, it's my job really to be a hero.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, that's that's interesting too, because then we think
Speaker 6: of our say, you know, firemen specifically, because that guy
Speaker 6: ran to the house, and when the firemen wouldn't, they're like,
Speaker 6: that's dangerous, we can't. It's you know, our our policies
Speaker 6: and procedures say, when a house is that engulfed, you
Speaker 6: don't go running. Anga's pregg going to die or get injured.
Speaker 6: And we don't require that. We want them to be
Speaker 6: able to live to fight another fire. We don't want
Speaker 6: people sacrificing their lives if it can be helped, you know,
Speaker 6: when it comes down to something like that. But to's
Speaker 6: going somewhere with that. I what I was the thought
Speaker 6: that came to my mind was the idea of the
Speaker 6: functional utility. Why would an idea persevere and why would
Speaker 6: it be endorsed? So the humility of the hero to say, oh, no,
Speaker 6: I'm not a hero, it's just what I do. I
Speaker 6: think the purpose of that is to make it a
Speaker 6: part of the story that you don't get a big head.
Speaker 6: You don't start thinking you're entitled the special treatment, even
Speaker 6: if maybe you kind of are. Maybe you get a parade,
Speaker 6: maybe you get a little reward, but you know, you
Speaker 6: should also be humble about that because other stories show
Speaker 6: us how heroes go wrong by becoming egomaniacs and then
Speaker 6: they turn to the villain. So it's like, wait a minute,
Speaker 6: how do you prevent that. Well, you keep your humble
Speaker 6: you keep your humility. So I think we I think
Speaker 6: we like that. It feels good because we're like, Okay,
Speaker 6: here's a person who's worth praise, worthy of praise, but
Speaker 6: they're not gonna let it go to their head and
Speaker 6: turn them into a monster. That's the best way to
Speaker 6: avoid that. And that's I think that's I think that's
Speaker 6: the purpose. It just occurred to be.
Speaker 2: Sure, I mean, I'm open to That's where we get
Speaker 2: the the well known phrase, you know, you either die
Speaker 2: your hero or every long enough to see yourself become
Speaker 2: the villain, right. Sure, it's you know, it's true, and
Speaker 2: it's it's hard to stay humble, you know, especially when
Speaker 2: you're you know, becoming more well known and the praise
Speaker 2: gets more or you know, more people start to praise you.
Speaker 6: You got a million people telling you how awesome you
Speaker 6: are here like, you know, maybe I'm pretty awesome. Yeah,
Speaker 6: you know, Like I don't think I ever wont a
Speaker 6: million followers like anywhere ever. Ever, I don't want to
Speaker 6: be that. I don't want to be I want to
Speaker 6: be successful. I don't necessarily want to be famous. That's
Speaker 6: kind of what I'm shooting for.
Speaker 2: It's their, hm, can you be one without the other?
Speaker 6: I don't know, that's I mean, I just assume you
Speaker 6: when you went hmm, I'm like, you know what, You're right,
Speaker 6: you didn't even have to say it. I'm like, maybe
Speaker 6: they go together. Uh, maybe that's the only way for
Speaker 6: you know, good because a hero comes well, that's ok okay.
Speaker 6: So there's there is the act of heroism, and that
Speaker 6: defines a hero as well, but there's also an element
Speaker 6: of renown. There's that idea of becoming then well known
Speaker 6: for this act of heroism. And I suppose the only way,
Speaker 6: the only way to avoid that totally is and I'm
Speaker 6: not even sure if Batman's a good example of it,
Speaker 6: but he just kind of dips in and the dark
Speaker 6: does this thing and gets the hell out. He doesn't
Speaker 6: show up for parades, he doesn't take praise. Well, that's
Speaker 6: all part of his you know, his psychology, that kind
Speaker 6: of thing. Don't tell me what a good job by,
Speaker 6: tell me where the next bad guy is. I got
Speaker 6: I got work to do. I'm not I get time
Speaker 6: for that.
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess Batman and both Superman to take
Speaker 2: you know, the the two main.
Speaker 6: Ones and then Wonder Woman, the Holy Trinity as they say.
Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, yeah, like all those you know, like the yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess there are the Big Three, if you.
Speaker 6: Will, the Big Three. Yeah. I just threw him in
Speaker 6: there because there's actually a there's actually a book I think,
Speaker 6: which is about them.
Speaker 2: They all live double lives, you know, they're not Yeah,
Speaker 2: like full time hero if you will. It's a good
Speaker 2: thing to think of with the secret identity thing. It's
Speaker 2: not just protecting the ones around you so that villains
Speaker 2: don't target your family, but but it's also one way
Speaker 2: to keep yourself humble. Is like most interactions you have
Speaker 2: with people as your alter egos, secret identity, they don't
Speaker 2: treat you like anything special, and you're like, Okay, this
Speaker 2: is what normal human interactions are like. And yeah, I
Speaker 2: gotta deal with the praise when I'm in the suit,
Speaker 2: but otherwise I could just be me and be normal.
Speaker 2: I think that would be That reminds me of another thing. Futurama.
Speaker 2: They had an episode where Bender is floating in space
Speaker 2: and he gets a whole colony of microbes that turn
Speaker 2: into a civilization, and then lotcheaks at each other. Some
Speaker 2: of them live on his ass, some of them live
Speaker 2: on his Shelly. Yes, it's hilarious. And what he does
Speaker 2: is at the very end, he speaks with what appeared
Speaker 2: to be flashing stars and it has a deep voice
Speaker 2: and it's very understanding, sympathetic and a bit wry, you know,
Speaker 2: And so he gets the I don't know how it
Speaker 2: comes about, buddy, but the flashing, flashing stars that are
Speaker 2: speaking to him, shoot him back across the galaxy. Oh sure,
Speaker 2: I can do that if you want.
Speaker 6: Go home. And then the last thing it says is
Speaker 6: that you know, if you do it just right, no
Speaker 6: one will be sure you've done anything at all.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 6: I kind of love that. That idea of that's like
Speaker 6: the ultimate and humility in a way is like, I'm
Speaker 6: only concerned with the outcome. I don't care if anyone
Speaker 6: knows I did it. And as much as I don't
Speaker 6: live up to that, I would like to. I'd like
Speaker 6: to be that kind of person that is absolutely so
Speaker 6: divorced from praise that it doesn't even matter. The problem
Speaker 6: with that, then is you, in some ways get divorced
Speaker 6: from criticism, which you kind of need to because nobody's perfect.
Speaker 6: And how do you figure out if you're screwing up
Speaker 6: when you can't see it, Well, someone's got to tell you.
Speaker 6: So maybe if you are literally a god, then you
Speaker 6: don't need criticism, but most humans do fair enough. But
Speaker 6: then then there's a whole other level. I'm just rambling now,
Speaker 6: but the idea of we are designed to take evolutionary
Speaker 6: psychology style, We're designed to take criticism from immediate compatriots
Speaker 6: or friends in a small group setting. We know you,
Speaker 6: we saw what happened. Here's feedback directly from us, because
Speaker 6: we're the people most affected. But then you get the Internet,
Speaker 6: and now you've got people who just disagree with an
Speaker 6: idea and they're going to come at you like a
Speaker 6: nuclear missile and try and destroy your entire life because
Speaker 6: they hate you because you believe something they don't. And
Speaker 6: now you've got maybe thousands of those people sending you messages,
Speaker 6: and people are more motivated to send a message of
Speaker 6: critique than they are a message of praise, So you
Speaker 6: get a skewed feedback loop from So you may have
Speaker 6: a million followers, but you get a thousand messages a
Speaker 6: day telling you, you know, kys, You're like, wow, people
Speaker 6: really hate me.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 6: No, A very small minority of people who don't even
Speaker 6: know you have mean things to say. And I don't
Speaker 6: know how I would react to that. I mean, I
Speaker 6: get responses from people that are rude, you know, not
Speaker 6: that many, and I shine it on and I'm rude
Speaker 6: back to them and will screw you too. Buddy. I'm
Speaker 6: not your buddy, pal Joe Pal buddy, right, the flapy heads.
Speaker 6: I love that, but I have no idea how I
Speaker 6: would deal with it. Say if I hit or Peterson's
Speaker 6: level of fame and acclaim and criticism, he's no wonder
Speaker 6: he you know, went on meds and ended up in
Speaker 6: a hospital, and I probably would do a champlain or yeah,
Speaker 6: or you know.
Speaker 2: You you turn into a host. The other the other guy,
Speaker 2: I forget his name, Like they're always mentioned in the
Speaker 2: same breath, another psychology commentator or a philosophy guy.
Speaker 6: Maybe you think of Sam Harris.
Speaker 1: But.
Speaker 2: He's like the shadow side, like he's in the Red Pill,
Speaker 2: the former cake boxer.
Speaker 6: Thinking about Andrew Tate, Yeah that, yeah, like either you're
Speaker 6: kind of kind of defending him a little bit.
Speaker 2: No, But I think like those are really like polar opposites.
Speaker 6: You know, it's like taking again was nothing like Peterson.
Speaker 2: You become you become the other. I mean they're both
Speaker 2: like in the the you know, self help, sure, the psychology,
Speaker 2: you know, here's how you're you know, how you're a man.
Speaker 2: You know, the one guy says, you know, just clean
Speaker 2: your clean your room, bucco, and the other guy says, well,
Speaker 2: you know, go be a pimp.
Speaker 6: Yeah, for sure, or at least to have a strong
Speaker 6: pimpand one way or another. Yeah. Then you also get
Speaker 6: into things like what did Dates say the other day?
Speaker 6: He said something like any man who only has children
Speaker 6: with one woman is not really a top level alpha
Speaker 6: or whatever. It's like, I'm misquoting him, So don't don't
Speaker 6: you know, and don't and I don't endorse that advice necessarily,
Speaker 6: But there is something to where you an exception to
Speaker 6: the rule type of thing like I was talking about before.
Speaker 6: It like Eloney, percent of people on the entire planet
Speaker 6: should have one relationship with one person with whom they
Speaker 6: have kids and stay married to for their entire life.
Speaker 6: And then you got guys like Elon. Okay, if you
Speaker 6: are an Elon Musk. It's not that it's good to
Speaker 6: have thirteen different baby mamas or or however many there are,
Speaker 6: but with thirteen different kids with different women. But he
Speaker 6: can do that in a way that I can't. You can't,
Speaker 6: nobody can. I mean, he can kind of pull it off,
Speaker 6: even if it is an ideal and I and I
Speaker 6: don't endorse go knock up a bunch of women. But
Speaker 6: then there's the but. But that's what Andrew Tatus speaking
Speaker 6: to he's speaking to that idea of if you're a Tait,
Speaker 6: if you're a Musk, you can do that, and that
Speaker 6: that's actually a sign of Yeah, I guess that's that's
Speaker 6: not not something to aspire to. But what am I
Speaker 6: trying to say? It's something you can get away with
Speaker 6: that other people can't exactly. They can mitigate, they can
Speaker 6: deal with the consequences of that. They can provide for
Speaker 6: thirteen kids. Yeah, even even if it's better that they
Speaker 6: were in the house and a father to those kids individually,
Speaker 6: maybe he needs to start like a like a like
Speaker 6: a cult compound where all his kids together. He just
Speaker 6: needs to convert to Mormonism. And he's good.
Speaker 2: Convert to Mormonism, moved to Utah. I mean, Mormonism is
Speaker 2: it's you know, it's a cold as fuck anyway.
Speaker 6: Most religions are. Yeah, that's it's very weird. You look
Speaker 6: at the root of words, and cult is the root
Speaker 6: word of culture. It is what we all believe in,
Speaker 6: how we all behave in this group, and we we've
Speaker 6: you know, words have the denotative meaning. It's it's just
Speaker 6: it is what it is. It's a small group of
Speaker 6: people that share a common belief and practice neutrally. That's
Speaker 6: not the direct definition, but then you get the the
Speaker 6: denote or connotative meaning, which we think of a cult
Speaker 6: as weird, dysfunctional counter to to to positive psychological practices.
Speaker 6: A lot of things going to occult practices is how
Speaker 6: to know you're in a cult type of thing. They
Speaker 6: cut you off from your friends and family, They make
Speaker 6: you behave in strange ways, they put pressure, they love
Speaker 6: bomb you and withdraw. There's a lot of manipulative tactics
Speaker 6: that go into to that connotative meaning of what a
Speaker 6: cult is cult bad, we'd say not necessarily. I mean,
Speaker 6: Christianity was a cult back when it was brand new
Speaker 6: and it became a worldwide religions anything. You know, Islam
Speaker 6: was a cult for a minute until it conquered half
Speaker 6: the Middle East, you know. So cult is just kind
Speaker 6: of the the Hoddler form of a what could become
Speaker 6: a religion if it spreads, if it's you know.
Speaker 2: Anyway, But that's that's ah, that's a good one that
Speaker 2: way before and I never thought about it like that.
Speaker 6: Well, like I was probably the Norse gods before it
Speaker 6: became more and more prolific, you know, And those were
Speaker 6: the early adopters, the people who kind of figured out
Speaker 6: the stories or pulled them together from other bits of wisdom.
Speaker 6: That's what I think the Bible is too, is like
Speaker 6: a lot of leftover stuff from Atlantis from and here's
Speaker 6: a weird I've now mentioned that twice. There's a conception
Speaker 6: among the I also feel like I cut you off. Sorry,
Speaker 6: did you want to finish your thought? Or oh no,
Speaker 6: you're okay, all right, we'll talk about Atlantis for a second.
Speaker 6: It's a weird thing. I usually I didn't used to believe,
Speaker 6: and I used to poo poo it, and still I
Speaker 6: don't believe in the straw man version of it. Well,
Speaker 6: there was an island and they had all flying cars
Speaker 6: and free energy, and they had all this. I don't
Speaker 6: know if they had any of that shit. I think
Speaker 6: there was a free historic in a way civilization that
Speaker 6: was destroyed by a great flood. And that's where we
Speaker 6: get the floods stores. And it wasn't like specifically an
Speaker 6: island that then sank under the waves. If you look
Speaker 6: at the way it was described in Plato or Aristotle
Speaker 6: or Socrates, who yeah, whoever talked about it the most.
Speaker 6: It was a civilization swallowed by the sea, which would
Speaker 6: comport with a giant tsunami smashing through flooding, a group
Speaker 6: of people living together in the Mediterranean that had more
Speaker 6: than Stone age technology whatever, that would be sure, the
Speaker 6: flying cars, not energy batteries and shooting lightning bolts out
Speaker 6: of their fingers, and it's nothing magic like that. A
Speaker 6: lot of people go to the straw end version and say, well,
Speaker 6: that never happened. I'm like you, you're right, that never happened,
Speaker 6: and that's not what I'm talking about. So you get
Speaker 6: guys like you know, Graham Hancock, and he's poop pooed
Speaker 6: with this idea. Is like, you mean, civilization couldn't have existed,
Speaker 6: and then a meteor sends a tidal wave and it
Speaker 6: got wiped out. Long story short, I think a lot
Speaker 6: of what made it into collected volumes of wisdom like
Speaker 6: the Bible and like other stories, is leftovers that weren't
Speaker 6: that fully formed back then. But that then evolved into
Speaker 6: the stories we have today, and they tightened and and
Speaker 6: they used less words, and they used less and they
Speaker 6: were more direct and to the point. And the other
Speaker 6: thing I was gonna say too, way way way back
Speaker 6: when we're starting all this stuff too, is that there's
Speaker 6: a reason we like getting the or the there's a
Speaker 6: reason it's so effective to have stories in stories, to
Speaker 6: have to have wisdom or information communicated in that style,
Speaker 6: whether or not a specific person ever actually lived. You
Speaker 6: make it more personal, like, hey, here's a guy, he's
Speaker 6: just like you. Here's the situation he was in. You
Speaker 6: might encounter this situation. Here's what he did, and here's
Speaker 6: the consequences. And sometimes this is where you get some
Speaker 6: people who are like the anti theist crowd. They're like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 6: well what about the parts of the Bible where they
Speaker 6: did bad things. I'm like, well, that was bad, and
Speaker 6: you should learn from those stories too. Maybe you don't
Speaker 6: want to be that guy doing that thing because look
Speaker 6: how it turned out for him. That's not so good,
Speaker 6: and look how he hurt people around him. So yeah,
Speaker 6: it's not all an instruction booklet of examples to follow.
Speaker 6: It is very often examples not to follow. And I'm
Speaker 6: it's not there because I'm out of words, but.
Speaker 2: But no, I mean those are all my thoughts.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah. Cautionary Tales Grimm's Fairy Tales Full of them.
Speaker 6: That's another book I hope to write some days, A
Speaker 6: Wizard's Guide to Grimm's fairy Tales. What do these stories
Speaker 6: actually mean? What is Hansel and Gretel about?
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, there's that's I mean, you know, as
Speaker 2: a European, as a Germanic European, you know, that's how
Speaker 2: we preserved a lot of the stories of our ancestors.
Speaker 2: It's how we preserved a lot of the stories of
Speaker 2: the lance. We wrote them or weave them into these,
Speaker 2: you know, fantastical stories. But again, you know, there are
Speaker 2: lessons in those. Did have something Gretel really exists? Did
Speaker 2: they get lost in the woods and fight, found a
Speaker 2: gingerbread house and all of that.
Speaker 6: No one expects them to have really existed. Isn't that
Speaker 6: funny too? They're like, the story is still meaningful, even
Speaker 6: if that's pure fiction exactly. Then they look at other
Speaker 6: religious texts and they're like, no, no, it has to
Speaker 6: be real, it has to be Yeah, you know, are
Speaker 6: we comparing the grim Tales to the Bible?
Speaker 2: Are we on that level of heresy?
Speaker 6: Yeah? Yeah, I think I am cool. I think they
Speaker 6: both now now they I think it would be fascinating
Speaker 6: and I would love to see someone do this. Let's
Speaker 6: take a biblical scholar and a and a and a
Speaker 6: folklore scholar, get them together and have them find other
Speaker 6: stories that teach the same lesson as the biblical stories.
Speaker 6: And here's another form of that story, and and where
Speaker 6: perhaps two independent and and and in some degrees. Joseph
Speaker 6: Campbell did this with the with the Hero's journey here
Speaker 6: with a thousand faces. He said, here's the same elements
Speaker 6: across different traditions, but this is more specific to the
Speaker 6: idea of the Bible, saying, you know, this wisdom exists,
Speaker 6: and other people came to the same conclusion because it's
Speaker 6: a real pattern that reoccurs in human life as we go,
Speaker 6: as we age, as we struggle against the world. That
Speaker 6: would be fascinating.
Speaker 2: I would love to host a debate like that. I
Speaker 2: actually know of someone, a writer who has a master's
Speaker 2: in folklore, and.
Speaker 6: I would say the idea. Maybe wouldn't be a debate,
Speaker 6: but it would be like a collaborative effort to identify similarities.
Speaker 6: And now the debates are fun too, but it can
Speaker 6: also be like, let's explore the subject and try and
Speaker 6: figure out how where these things overlap and I would
Speaker 6: say the biblical scholars could say, well, see that just
Speaker 6: validates the Bible is true because other people came to
Speaker 6: the same conclusion. And the folklorist could say, you know,
Speaker 6: maybe the Bible has some truth in it because I
Speaker 6: think these stories are valuable because they teach a lesson.
Speaker 6: Here's another book teaching a similar lesson. Kind of building
Speaker 6: that bridge too, Oh, Matt, I would that would be
Speaker 6: kind of fun.
Speaker 2: I would love to host.
Speaker 6: I help Peo pull that together. Yeah, do it?
Speaker 2: Link be so cool.
Speaker 6: We'll see, we'll see.
Speaker 2: It's going to be such a long term project, though,
Speaker 2: he could be. That'll be awesome. Kind of going back
Speaker 2: to the you know, the the cold stuff.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I derail that real quick.
Speaker 2: Sorry, No, I mean due. You went on in Atlantis
Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh.
Speaker 6: That is okay, right, So do I think Atlantis is real? Yeah,
Speaker 6: it's probably one of my cookiest beliefs. And reincarnation probably
Speaker 6: real too. But anyway, yeah, I mean sure.
Speaker 2: But like as you said that, you know, Christianity started
Speaker 2: out as a cult, Islam started out as a cult mythraism.
Speaker 2: I know a follower of Mithras. I guess it's still
Speaker 2: kind of considered a cold.
Speaker 6: They do refer to it in historical documents anyways, the
Speaker 6: Cult of Mythris, Yeah exactly. It's kind of like it's
Speaker 6: a proper title in a way. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Sure. But like if you think of modern day cults,
Speaker 2: you know, the ones that we've all heard about from
Speaker 2: our favorite here.
Speaker 6: The cat didn't mean to snort into the mic. I
Speaker 6: mean it makes me think of Heaven's Gate. I mean that's,
Speaker 6: for exople the Marshall Apple White and then a bunch
Speaker 6: of kids castraight themselves and everyone commits suicides. That's yeah,
Speaker 6: that's what we think of as a cult. That's not good.
Speaker 2: That's no, no, absolutely not. And you know we we
Speaker 2: we all know the stories. We all have our favorites,
Speaker 2: you know true crime podcaster who yeah, you know, spoken
Speaker 2: about a lot of those stories, my favorites. Just because
Speaker 2: my my wife has become good friends with her. When
Speaker 2: I after I had her on the podcast Brenda from
Speaker 2: Horrifying History, m shut out, Brenda. We love you, you
Speaker 2: good tim like you're shaking the whole damn dusk.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I can hear the collar.
Speaker 2: Yeah it's okay, Yeah, it was very thing why I
Speaker 2: gave him the nickname tinkle, tinkle, tmy.
Speaker 6: Ah, yep, does he have a bell on there? Or
Speaker 6: is it just the metal on the collar tinking?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 2: No, let's see.
Speaker 6: Can he has a I think I see a little bell? Yeah,
Speaker 6: a little bell there it is? Yes, yeah, Well that's
Speaker 6: one way to help you not trip over them. I
Speaker 6: swear these cats are trying to kill me. They want
Speaker 6: to cut to the They want to cut to the
Speaker 6: part where I die alone and they can eat my
Speaker 6: eyeballs or something.
Speaker 2: It's he it's good nurture, right, you know.
Speaker 6: And honestly, if they were trapped and nothing to eat,
Speaker 6: I would want them to eat my corpse. I wouldn't
Speaker 6: wouldn't bother me at all. I'm dead at that point,
Speaker 6: so I would go go bonapetite a little little bit. Anyway.
Speaker 2: They're roothless, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6: And as much as they nuzzle on us and love us,
Speaker 6: and and I think to a degree, consider us just
Speaker 6: big dumb cats that really can't You can't even lick
Speaker 6: your own butt. How do you take care of yourself?
Speaker 2: You know, you don't even hunt? How are you not
Speaker 2: dead yet?
Speaker 6: Right exactly? And that's sometimes that's why they bring us
Speaker 6: a little little mice and whatnot. They're like, they're trying
Speaker 6: to feed us like we feed them, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 6: but still when when it comes down to it and
Speaker 6: they're like, well that's meat.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 6: I love he was alive, but he's.
Speaker 2: Not getting me any He's not responding, you know, nibble nothing, yeah,
Speaker 2: bite nothing.
Speaker 6: I think eyeball time.
Speaker 2: And you know, if you know, if if that's well,
Speaker 2: there's a saying in Dutch the ansidodes on those of broats,
Speaker 2: and it like literally means, you know, one man's death,
Speaker 2: that is none of the men's life. So yeah, if
Speaker 2: that's if that's the same for ours, why not?
Speaker 6: Oh yeah? And I also love that phrase too, like
Speaker 6: one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. It's like
Speaker 6: what do you believe? What is your what side of
Speaker 6: an issue are you on? And then that defines some
Speaker 6: of these things exactly. Anyway, No, what we do real
Speaker 6: all over the place. I don't even know what we're
Speaker 6: talking about. We're talking about stories or something. Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, the the cults, oh yes, yes, yes, those those leaders,
Speaker 2: they are often worshiped as gods, and like, yeah, you
Speaker 2: could you know, do the strong man argument, like oh,
Speaker 2: but that's you know, because all of those people are
Speaker 2: you know, they're they're brainwashed and everything got taken from them,
Speaker 2: and you know their their leader keeps everything from them. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that that may be so, but they're still worshiped as
Speaker 2: gods or you know, as messengers of a certain higher being,
Speaker 2: whether that be you know, aliens or you know God.
Speaker 2: Often it's it's God, like, oh yeah, I can talk
Speaker 2: to God like wow, really yeah? And he said give
Speaker 2: me all your money and your wife's you sure? He
Speaker 2: said that hosting like, you're questioning me, your messenger of
Speaker 2: good Oh no, no, sorry, sorry.
Speaker 6: You know you're not becoming a toxic personality, are you?
Speaker 6: You're not questioning the word of God?
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 6: I listened to I listened to a guy on the
Speaker 6: internet who he describes it this way himself. He says,
Speaker 6: he escaped from the Jehovah's Witness cult and he started
Speaker 6: realizing that a lot of the tactics they use to
Speaker 6: keep their membership in line and from leaving or from questioning.
Speaker 6: He notices that. So after he left, he started noticing
Speaker 6: the mainstream media does a lot of the same thing.
Speaker 6: They use a lot of the same tactics.
Speaker 10: Uh.
Speaker 6: An example he gave last night was news commentator said,
Speaker 6: we're just learning from the New York Times, and he pausited,
Speaker 6: and he said, this is like when the elders of
Speaker 6: my church would come back and say, you know, we're
Speaker 6: just learning from the governing board, or we're just learning
Speaker 6: from the watchtowered. It's like, you mean, the people you
Speaker 6: choose to believe told you something, and now you're saying
Speaker 6: sharing it with us, as this is incontrovertible truth. It's
Speaker 6: just truth that we're learning the truth by listening to
Speaker 6: these people. And then he noticed the news media does
Speaker 6: that too, and it's like, now, wait a minute, Well,
Speaker 6: why would I trust the New York Times. Why would
Speaker 6: you say we could learn anything from those people if
Speaker 6: I think they're not a good source.
Speaker 2: Isn't that also like kind of one big cult telling
Speaker 2: us what to think, how to think, what to believe.
Speaker 2: They're telling us, you know, going back to the comments,
Speaker 2: what you said, but freedom fighter and terrorists, they're telling
Speaker 2: us those people are terrorists. You know, they're not freedom fighters,
Speaker 2: they're terrorists because exactly they're against us, they go against
Speaker 2: our values. Well guess what to those people, you're the terrorists.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and that leads to a lot of things where
Speaker 6: there's you know, double standards of like, well, it's not
Speaker 6: bad when we do it. It's the same behavior, but
Speaker 6: it's a good thing when our side enacts that behavior.
Speaker 6: And that also made me think of the cult thing too.
Speaker 6: It's like whether whether someone has achieved a rational true belief,
Speaker 6: true true in the honest, honestly arrived at a rational
Speaker 6: belief in something, or they've been tricked into it, the
Speaker 6: behavioral result is the same. They act in accordance with
Speaker 6: that belief. However they arrived at that belief. So in
Speaker 6: some ways, it doesn't matter how a person arrived at
Speaker 6: the at a belief there, it's it's the fact that
Speaker 6: they do believe that then governs and dictates their behavior. Well,
Speaker 6: this is the right thing to do, because that's what
Speaker 6: I believe is the right thing to do. In some
Speaker 6: ways a circular thing, but that gets that gets off
Speaker 6: into a whole nother branch of like, well how much
Speaker 6: should we question everything? Because even the people that are
Speaker 6: like the most skeptical or paranoid, And that became a
Speaker 6: mantra and I think it was out of the sixties.
Speaker 6: Question everything. I means, don't just blindly accept traditions as
Speaker 6: necessarily correct just because they're traditions. And then you got
Speaker 6: that that this is another one of those aphorisms where
Speaker 6: it's like, okay, it's ninety nine. You can't actually question everything.
Speaker 6: There are too many things to question. So it's a
Speaker 6: command that is impossible to fulfill. What they mean when
Speaker 6: you narrow it down more is like, just because someone
Speaker 6: told you something, don't swallow it unquestioningly. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 6: you've still got to brain use it.
Speaker 2: That kind of thing exactly, you know, and especially with
Speaker 2: you know, authority figures. You know, like we're talking about
Speaker 2: cold leaders. They are, you know, pretty much authority figures.
Speaker 6: Yeah, like they've set themselves up as the ultimate authority.
Speaker 2: Over you or your group exactly. Oftentimes you know, also
Speaker 2: just answering to another higher authority because you.
Speaker 6: Know, to me, God said, God, yeah, I don't want
Speaker 6: to do this. I'm just like you. I'm just I
Speaker 6: don't really want to sleep with your wife. But I mean, God, Scott,
Speaker 6: can't this a big God? What are you gonna do?
Speaker 1: You?
Speaker 2: It's you. It sucks sucks to be me. It also
Speaker 2: sucks to be what with me? What with me?
Speaker 6: I don't really want to do your.
Speaker 2: Sure, no, and then you have I believe it was
Speaker 2: also the New York Times or at least some major
Speaker 2: publication in the believe that was during COVID times that
Speaker 2: they literally put out an article like saying, don't do
Speaker 2: your own research.
Speaker 6: Oh, I know, I hate that. I saw that. That's unbelievable.
Speaker 2: Are you fucking kidding me? You're not, But we are exactly,
Speaker 2: you know, you're you're literally telling the people just listen
Speaker 2: to us. We know the truth. You know, we are
Speaker 2: the established press. We are the truth. You know, just
Speaker 2: like the what what they've been saying and sometimes still
Speaker 2: are saying, you know, the science is settled.
Speaker 6: No, it's not.
Speaker 2: That goes against what's allience is. You have questioned everything.
Speaker 2: Science is science.
Speaker 6: He's like, yeah, okay, even answers you think you understand,
Speaker 6: question it again, look at it from a different angle. Exactly.
Speaker 6: You know, you can't spend your entire life every single
Speaker 6: day repeating the same experiment, because then you'll never eat
Speaker 6: or sleep or you know, move on to other maybe
Speaker 6: more important or useful things. There's all, there's all the
Speaker 6: big balancing act with that whole thing. But yeah, that's
Speaker 6: I don't think anything did more to ruin excuse me,
Speaker 6: ruin the credibility of the concept of an expert more
Speaker 6: than the COVID years. You know that that they being
Speaker 6: told so many things officially, factually, and if you don't agree,
Speaker 6: you are censored. That's a big problem now. And then
Speaker 6: now we've got what is it recently jd Vance, vice
Speaker 6: President of the US, went to Europe and he's like, hey, guys,
Speaker 6: we don't think it's good that you're censoring people. We
Speaker 6: believe in free political speech, so maybe don't do that.
Speaker 6: And then we had an American commentator on a Sunday
Speaker 6: morning show talking to Marco Rubio, the Secretary of State,
Speaker 6: and she was telling him, you know, it was free
Speaker 6: speech in Germany that led to the Holocaust, And I'm like,
Speaker 6: are you That's not what happened at all. And that's
Speaker 6: just they started with this idea of we we are correct,
Speaker 6: we must control the narrative or millions of people will
Speaker 6: be genocided. And I'm like, you should be taken off
Speaker 6: the air. You are a dangerous person. I get to
Speaker 6: silence you because I think letting you speak is going
Speaker 6: to destroy the world. Wow, that's number one. Talk about
Speaker 6: an ego, but just the idea that someone would promulgate
Speaker 6: that idea that maybe there's people listening out there who go, oh, yeah,
Speaker 6: if we want to avoid another holocaust, we have to
Speaker 6: take away people's free speech. Like that's the worst possible
Speaker 6: thing you could do. Of course, I believe that's the
Speaker 6: worst possible thing you could do. Maybe you agree, she doesn't.
Speaker 6: She's a kind of person who's like, yes, I should
Speaker 6: be I should decide what you are allowed to say.
Speaker 6: Is so leap to me. That's I mean, that's almost
Speaker 6: like indios manic, you know, delusions that she needs to
Speaker 6: be in a hospital.
Speaker 2: It's that is talkingtive dissonance, that that should be studied,
Speaker 2: that should be It gets sam into the most minute
Speaker 2: detail is freedom of speech.
Speaker 6: That let yeah, I think that's one of the things
Speaker 6: going wrong in Europe right now is you know, the
Speaker 6: EU and and England and whatnot, is there's people who
Speaker 6: are like, hey, we have problems in our society and
Speaker 6: we want to talk about them, and the government says,
Speaker 6: we think talking about him is a bad things. So
Speaker 6: we're gonna kind of tell you not to do that
Speaker 6: and maybe put you in there, and you're gonna get
Speaker 6: it talking to by the police, and I'm like, that
Speaker 6: is happening. Unfortunately it's it's not.
Speaker 2: You know, I I live in Europe.
Speaker 6: I live under the rule of the eat you say,
Speaker 6: I'm sorry, I'll try not to say anything to get
Speaker 6: you in trouble. I'm an American. Fuck you. I do
Speaker 6: what I want. Oh my government, My government will come
Speaker 6: after me too.
Speaker 2: America, nutshell, fuck you. I do what it wants, what
Speaker 2: I want, what I want.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 6: Speaking of that though, and I come cutting you off again,
Speaker 6: but I want to to Okay what Trump is doing.
Speaker 6: This got political. I don't know how I follow all
Speaker 6: this stuff.
Speaker 2: And I it's fine, you know, talking about cults, that's pretty.
Speaker 6: Much a cult, no for sure. Yeah, yeah, America the cult.
Speaker 6: We are cults of freedom and guns.
Speaker 2: It's her new novel, America the Cult.
Speaker 6: Yes, there you go. But the idea of I think
Speaker 6: America has become hated around the world because we let
Speaker 6: our administrative state bloat, and that bloat turned into things
Speaker 6: like USAID, where we're sending money to open up programs
Speaker 6: in other people's countries and try and influence their politics
Speaker 6: and change the way. Now there's Americans who are like look,
Speaker 6: if we don't use our soft power, who are we
Speaker 6: giving the world over to? Are we giving it to China,
Speaker 6: We're giving it to Russia? Whatever. But but yeah, I
Speaker 6: see you shaking your heads like I'm I'm of the
Speaker 6: opinion we shouldn't be fucking around in foreign countries like this.
Speaker 6: I'm America. I'm American. I do what I want in America.
Speaker 6: I should not be doing what I want in your country. Yeah,
Speaker 6: none of my damn business. Even if, hey, you wanna
Speaker 6: I offer you friendship, you want to be better friends
Speaker 6: with China? Maybe you just you believe more of what
Speaker 6: they believe you you think it's a better deal for you.
Speaker 6: I shouldn't then go in there and say, well, I
Speaker 6: guess you're not in power anymore because I'm the US
Speaker 6: and I do what I want. And now, hey, look
Speaker 6: at this friendly guy. We're gonna put him in power.
Speaker 6: I don't think we should be doing that. I don't
Speaker 6: feel good about it. I don't like it.
Speaker 2: I don't want That's my fuck.
Speaker 6: You attitude is is very much limited to my own borders.
Speaker 6: I don't think we should be exporting freedom around the world,
Speaker 6: you know, under bombardment. That's just I think that's what.
Speaker 6: I can't believe we spent the last year, twenty some
Speaker 6: odd years invading and occupying Middle Eastern countries. I just
Speaker 6: I wish none of that ever happened. That's all wrong.
Speaker 6: I don't I don't agree with that. I don't like it. Well,
Speaker 6: and many getting more sticky wickets, like what do you
Speaker 6: do with Ukraine and Israel? I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 6: That's I try to stay out of that one too,
Speaker 6: just because like, yeah, can I wish they both kill
Speaker 6: each other and we don't worry about it anymore? You
Speaker 6: can't say that, but I can. I can. I wonder
Speaker 6: if that's what I should wish.
Speaker 2: We can do, like a whole separate show. Just those well, I.
Speaker 6: Wish they would get along. I wish nobody died and
Speaker 6: everybody got along. That's not the case. I wish it
Speaker 6: was the case. So I don't know what this is about.
Speaker 2: Beautiful wish and I'm sure you'll win Miss America with
Speaker 2: that one.
Speaker 6: There's an interesting idea. Now, Okay, Trump speaking Trump, he's
Speaker 6: he's he's talked about wanting to buy Greenland, and yeah,
Speaker 6: no one, no one knows if he's serious and that's
Speaker 6: part of his Madman strategies. Is he serious about that?
Speaker 6: Is he what is he doing? We don't know, So
Speaker 6: he's like he leaves it vay crazy enough to try.
Speaker 6: He's he's a bit of a crazy man. Well, then
Speaker 6: it comes to the idea of well, we're just gonna
Speaker 6: you know, we're gonna own Gaza. We'll just take it
Speaker 6: because we're American and we paid for the war anyway,
Speaker 6: you know, send them millions of dollars. I like that
Speaker 6: as a Madman strategy in some ways of like, look,
Speaker 6: if you guys don't figure it out, we're fucking taking
Speaker 6: the toy away.
Speaker 2: We can't have it on some Marvel doctor evil shit.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 6: Yeah, maybe so. But it's also like it's it's a
Speaker 6: threat hanging over their heads of like what we better
Speaker 6: figure this out or he might be serious. The other
Speaker 6: side of the coin is what if he was serious
Speaker 6: and we did turn Gaza, say, into the Riviera of
Speaker 6: the Middle East, and it was full of luxury hotels, beautiful,
Speaker 6: peaceful city life and apartments, no more terrorism and whatnot,
Speaker 6: and then the people that they let back in are
Speaker 6: vetted to not be Hamas. Then all the Palestinians get
Speaker 6: to come back and live in a paradise and they
Speaker 6: don't have to come have the terrorists come back with them.
Speaker 6: Now do I advocate that? Not necessarily. I don't have
Speaker 6: all the pieces worked out, but that thought came to
Speaker 6: my mind of like, what if that was the outcome,
Speaker 6: would that be actually a pretty good thing? I don't know.
Speaker 6: I don't know, but I want to throw it out there.
Speaker 6: It's just on the internet of like, it may not
Speaker 6: be such a bad idea. If he's serious, that's fucked up,
Speaker 6: because that's actually.
Speaker 2: That's actually pretty good.
Speaker 6: Like if that's as an outcome, it's not bad. That's
Speaker 6: what I'm saying. You know, I don't like the process.
Speaker 6: But then as an outcome of like millions of civilians
Speaker 6: get to come back in and live in peace, not
Speaker 6: ruled by Hamas, not living in a war zone, and
Speaker 6: everyone's just chill, and we can put this whole what's
Speaker 6: seventy eighty years of people trying to destroy Israel. Put
Speaker 6: that to bed. No more. We don't do that anymore.
Speaker 2: We'll just make it another like tourist attraction in the
Speaker 2: Middle East. I mean, it has all the people who
Speaker 2: live right there and you know, have a beautiful I've
Speaker 2: been to Egypt. They are you know, they are beautiful countries.
Speaker 2: It is a beautiful, beautiful culture. So if we can,
Speaker 2: you know, like make it a little more more touristy,
Speaker 2: there's more money in that as well.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, yeah, I think one of the big thing
Speaker 6: is just I mean, you can't have a neighbor who's
Speaker 6: trying to kill you all the time and you know,
Speaker 6: either one on either side. So we've got to put
Speaker 6: that to bed. We've got to stop that conflict so
Speaker 6: that no many more, no more people die.
Speaker 2: Well, then what is America if not you know, the
Speaker 2: big brother who's trying to kill you all the time.
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, it's true. We don't really like what you
Speaker 6: did there, so we're gonna bomb your country again. We
Speaker 6: got to stop doing that. That's not good. That's not good.
Speaker 6: We've got no leg to stand on when it comes
Speaker 6: to that. Well, then you get people too who are like,
Speaker 6: you know, when you try to say, hey, some of
Speaker 6: the things America did might have led to the conflict
Speaker 6: in Ukraine, and they're like, why do you hate America?
Speaker 6: And I'm like, don't hate America. I'm not a fan
Speaker 6: of my government. I think they've made mistakes. I think
Speaker 6: we pushed some things that got us into trouble. We
Speaker 6: provoked the response. There are people who, yeah, we'll say,
Speaker 6: you just hate America and they can't. They can't do
Speaker 6: American bad, American bad. But I live here, man, I
Speaker 6: love it. It's not America bad, it's America. Quit fucking around,
Speaker 6: stop it, stop it.
Speaker 2: As a European I can, I can honestly say that,
Speaker 2: you know, all the bullshit going on in America, it's
Speaker 2: good entertainments.
Speaker 6: Like that is yeah, yeah, yeah, Well he's hopefully he's
Speaker 6: wrecking the piece of our government that fucks with other
Speaker 6: people and then we all get along a lot better.
Speaker 6: That's what I'm hoping for.
Speaker 2: We can hope. But you know, we're we're watching in
Speaker 2: the Netherlands, you know, watching from the outher side of
Speaker 2: the ocean, like, oh my god, what the fuck is
Speaker 2: he doing?
Speaker 6: And meanwhile we're still watching. We're watching things like the UK,
Speaker 6: where you know, Tommy Robinson is in solitary confinement because
Speaker 6: he doesn't like the idea that certain immigrants are incompatible
Speaker 6: with English life. If we put it politely, yeah, that's
Speaker 6: very politely. It's very politely for the EU sensors.
Speaker 2: That's the other thing too, just like way too brush.
Speaker 6: Where So if America is going to use our soft
Speaker 6: power and influence, I would like to see it put
Speaker 6: pressure on the EU and Britain to be more open
Speaker 6: to the first adopting a first Amendment approach to popular
Speaker 6: or to political discussion openly and in public.
Speaker 2: But we have that in like most at least western
Speaker 2: European countries. I can't speak for you know, for the rest,
Speaker 2: but we have freedom of speech. It's it's not just
Speaker 2: an American thing. And that's that's also so funny with
Speaker 2: you know, America and all of the things, all of
Speaker 2: the rules and the constitutions, like, oh, but we have
Speaker 2: constitutions because freedom of speech. And it's like, yeah, we
Speaker 2: do too, but we don't have a constitution. It's just
Speaker 2: it's it's in the law, you know, it's literally the
Speaker 2: ground rules of our country that say you have freedom
Speaker 2: of speech.
Speaker 6: Nice and maybe some are better than others, I granted,
Speaker 6: just I guess I look at the breadth dope of
Speaker 6: American free speech and like, I think there's less than
Speaker 6: the American total in Europe and maybe Europeans go you
Speaker 6: guys go too far. You shouldn't be that free. And
Speaker 6: I look at it the other way. I think Europe
Speaker 6: should be more free. I think they should have America
Speaker 6: we should have more rights to free speech, and Europe
Speaker 6: should have that much more as well.
Speaker 2: But America isn't free.
Speaker 6: You're that's that's a lot of way.
Speaker 2: That's that's the thing. If you look at it realistically,
Speaker 2: you're not free. Like you know, the constitutions just this
Speaker 2: and institution says that, yeah, great, is enforced.
Speaker 6: Yep, No, that's a big problem. Well, we've got the
Speaker 6: Second Amendment says shall not, shall not, shall not be infringed,
Speaker 6: infringed in any way, little infringe, big infringe, shall not
Speaker 6: be in. We've got tons of gun laws. Everywhere he
Speaker 6: goes gun laws. Guns, you can't buy guns, you can't
Speaker 6: take some certain places. Guns can't hide guns, you have
Speaker 6: to you're only allowed to purchase if you have a
Speaker 6: permit from the imagine you have to purchase a permit
Speaker 6: from the government for free speech. That's what they're doing
Speaker 6: with a gun. And it's a very simple shall not
Speaker 6: be infringed government. You can't touch this. You can't. You
Speaker 6: cannot pass a law They've passed hundreds of laws, and
Speaker 6: I think they're all unconstitutional. I will still go to
Speaker 6: prison if I don't follow them. So I can believe
Speaker 6: whatever I want and I can say it, but I
Speaker 6: can't can't violate it. And another thing to tell me,
Speaker 6: just in terms of the extremity of speech, there are
Speaker 6: limitations on say, free speech in America, where it's like,
Speaker 6: you can't threaten to kill someone directly in a in
Speaker 6: a imminent and believable fashion. You can't necessarily call for
Speaker 6: the extermination of an entire race with Now, I don't
Speaker 6: think these things are good, but I think they should
Speaker 6: be legal. I think those should not even be exceptions
Speaker 6: because of the principle, because the principle is so important.
Speaker 6: I think you should because words, hair coming out of
Speaker 6: your mouth cannot physically harm someone, I think that should
Speaker 6: be the limit. The limit is physical harm itself, not
Speaker 6: the threat of harm, although there's that's complicated. But I
Speaker 6: would expand free speech in America even further than it is.
Speaker 6: I would repeal some of the limits they've put on it.
Speaker 6: But that's I'm pretty I'm pretty extreme out there. So
Speaker 6: when I look at Europe, I'm like, good God, those
Speaker 6: poor batsters based on my standard of what I would want.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, which is which is funny because you know,
Speaker 2: we we can do a whole lot more than America.
Speaker 2: But it's it's so funny. America always like falls back
Speaker 2: on the gun laws.
Speaker 6: Oh we can have guns. Yeah we we. I'm kind
Speaker 6: of proud of that.
Speaker 2: We can do too, Like I I can, I can
Speaker 2: own gone if I want to. I just need a really,
Speaker 2: really really good reason why. And I don't have a
Speaker 2: reason why. So how do you But but then, how
Speaker 2: do you defend yourself? Well I don't.
Speaker 6: I don't have to. That's the thing.
Speaker 2: I don't have to defend myself.
Speaker 6: Well, there's another question there too. Was reading a statistic
Speaker 6: the other day that since certain migration patterns started to develop,
Speaker 6: you know, certain rather heinous crimes against people have skyrocketed
Speaker 6: about like three hundred something percent. And it's not the
Speaker 6: natives that are that are doing that. I mean, they've
Speaker 6: tracked it. So it's in societies where they are more homogeneous,
Speaker 6: you get better results, you get higher trust, you get
Speaker 6: more people like yeah, you look at your neighbor and
Speaker 6: like that person is just an extended member of my family.
Speaker 6: In a way that it's not. The more cultural and
Speaker 6: regional and ethnic differences pile up, you start getting people
Speaker 6: that are very different who live by different moral codes
Speaker 6: sometimes and then those called data conflict.
Speaker 2: That is very basic human behavior. It's like, hey, you
Speaker 2: look like me a you know, therefore I'm gonna assume
Speaker 2: that I can trust you because you.
Speaker 6: Know, for the most part, you can. Because they're thinking.
Speaker 2: If someone has a you know, a different color, speaks
Speaker 2: a different a different language that is not even remotely
Speaker 2: similar to yours, believes in a different god, it's like a,
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know. I don't know you,
Speaker 2: I don't know your God, I don't know your language.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna, you know, keep you at a distance, not
Speaker 2: because I don't trust you, but because I don't know
Speaker 2: if I can trust you, because I don't know you,
Speaker 2: because you know, you're not one of my people, which
Speaker 2: is a very natural thing. Like you see that in
Speaker 2: nature in the Animal Kingdom all the time. You know,
Speaker 2: it's it's.
Speaker 6: Freaking spot and they defend it. Yeah, it's very it's
Speaker 6: pretty basic. Yeah, and then you know the straw man
Speaker 6: of that is, well, you're just xenophobic, You're just afraid
Speaker 6: of things that are differently. No, no, no, no, it's
Speaker 6: that when you have too many differences, there will be conflict.
Speaker 6: And we're trying to minimize conflict because we want to
Speaker 6: we want to get along with our neighbors to the
Speaker 6: degree that we can. And the more similar to you
Speaker 6: your neighbors are, the more easily everything flows exactly. And
Speaker 6: I you know, I think things like common courtesy, you know,
Speaker 6: saying saying thank you. I mean, some cultures don't have
Speaker 6: that as a thing or by when they say things
Speaker 6: like thank you, it's more like what was there was
Speaker 6: a translation where the word literally meant I think it's
Speaker 6: a Spanish sort or some where they're the way the
Speaker 6: way they are some some South American country the way
Speaker 6: they say thank you or is obligado. In a way,
Speaker 6: it's like, oh, it's my obligation. So they're not really
Speaker 6: saying I appreciate you, believe yeah, yeah, something like that.
Speaker 6: You're not really saying you, I benefited from you, I
Speaker 6: have special feelings towards you. The person is saying, don't
Speaker 6: worry about it. Was in a way they not you know,
Speaker 6: it's it's it's nothing, but but really what they're saying
Speaker 6: is oh, I'm just fulfilling my obligation, which to me
Speaker 6: doesn't have the same cultural meaning as I personally appreciate
Speaker 6: you know what, what you've done or or anyway. So
Speaker 6: so yeah, just even if something as simple as a
Speaker 6: language difference can be a huge difference in culture. And
Speaker 6: then you get in American and we were so we've
Speaker 6: always okay, we were like ninety eight percent white for
Speaker 6: like forever until the nineteen sixties, and then we brought
Speaker 6: in a lot of people and then there, you know,
Speaker 6: they said the Irish weren't white and all that, all
Speaker 6: that good kind of stuff. But yeah, they even did.
Speaker 6: They were even like you know, no no, no, uh
Speaker 6: no black snow dogs and no Irish was a sign
Speaker 6: in front of some businesses way back.
Speaker 2: If anything, the Irish or like it won't make like
Speaker 2: the whitest people, you know, when it comes to skin tone,
Speaker 2: they're the whitest, hastiest out there.
Speaker 6: Right. Yeah, And actually, we're gonna need to embark on
Speaker 6: a preservation campaign to keep the redheads from disappearing. I mean,
Speaker 6: that's that's a that's a human tragedy if red headed
Speaker 6: women disappeared for your.
Speaker 2: Right working on it.
Speaker 6: There you go.
Speaker 2: My daughter's a redthead, my ex is a red head,
Speaker 2: my wife is a red hat.
Speaker 6: There you go. You're doing the work, will be good.
Speaker 6: I'm not. I have no kids. So it's a that's
Speaker 6: a that's a that's a I guess recessive trade in
Speaker 6: a way of like, you know, so you look at
Speaker 6: things like, well, what do you think it's bad for
Speaker 6: the race mix and and I'm like, no, not necessarily,
Speaker 6: but I think it should be the exception to the
Speaker 6: rule unless you're okay with certain people no longer existing,
Speaker 6: which may be somewhere, and you know, throughout human history
Speaker 6: maybe there's been a lot of cultures and civilizations and
Speaker 6: phenotypes or whatever they say, that have faded away or
Speaker 6: blended it to the point where what they were they
Speaker 6: no longer. It happens. But I think we can choose
Speaker 6: whether or not to let redheads go extinct. And I
Speaker 6: argue against it. So that's my that's my me too,
Speaker 6: you know me too, that's I think exactly right.
Speaker 2: It's race mixing another you know, very sensitive topic.
Speaker 6: Which not controversial at all, which.
Speaker 2: Has happened, you know, so many times in history. The Neanderthals,
Speaker 2: the Genisovians, the you know out say kins. There's a
Speaker 2: reason if.
Speaker 6: You fall in love with someone who's who looks different
Speaker 6: than you, I don't care. I'm not angry at you know,
Speaker 6: there's not supposed to get married.
Speaker 2: There's a reason why certain groups of people you know
Speaker 2: still look more like Neanderthals. You know, they have the
Speaker 2: you know, the big the big four hat kind of
Speaker 2: you know, flat skull, flat hat. Was this one like
Speaker 2: Russian dude who was an ambassador or something something that
Speaker 2: EU or something like that. Dude was massive, you look
Speaker 2: like freaking you know, Drigo from from Rocky four or whatever. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, I mean it's but like chro magnet style,
Speaker 2: like like you get yeah, you can pound nails with
Speaker 2: his forehead. Jesus, this guy and huge. He probably still
Speaker 2: has you know, a good amount of Neanderthal DNA. You know,
Speaker 2: those are like picture a cave man. That's about what
Speaker 2: in the end Athal looks like. So if somebody like
Speaker 2: you know, like that indeed just walking around to you're
Speaker 2: just like, holy shit, that's not want to mess with that.
Speaker 2: He probably has you know, a large or larger amount
Speaker 2: of neanthol dna. Mm hmm, but that's that's literal ages
Speaker 2: years ago.
Speaker 6: It's a millennia go.
Speaker 2: But the thing is with a lot of those I've
Speaker 2: seen those I've seen those stories. I've seen the you know,
Speaker 2: like infused with those kind of people, a lot of
Speaker 2: them whose parents are of two different well two different
Speaker 2: races really, I mean humans have racist Sorry.
Speaker 6: It's like it's like types of birds. We got peacocks
Speaker 6: and you know, I mean, yeah, we're both tiny songbirds
Speaker 6: and exactly we're.
Speaker 2: Both human, but you know, we're still different. But they
Speaker 2: because they're like half and half, they don't feel you know,
Speaker 2: let's take the most basic example, like African and European.
Speaker 2: They don't feel European because you know, they just don't
Speaker 2: don't look European enough to be European. But they also
Speaker 2: don't feel African because you know, they don't like look
Speaker 2: African enough to fit in with the Africans.
Speaker 6: And if they especially if they weren't raised in that culture, like,
Speaker 6: they'll go there and people will be like, well, you're
Speaker 6: a foreigner. We don't yeah, didn't end up here, You're not.
Speaker 2: One of a lot of Unfortunately, a lot of times
Speaker 2: both sites will say that, you know, the European site
Speaker 2: will say like, no, sorry, you're not European. I mean,
Speaker 2: like here's a mirror, you know, look at me, look
Speaker 2: at you. You're not European. Then they go through the
Speaker 2: African site and it's like, well, you know, can I
Speaker 2: then like be with you guys, like I'm you know,
Speaker 2: half African, my mother, my father, you know, whoever is African.
Speaker 2: It's like, no, you're You're not African.
Speaker 6: So a lot of them feel like kind of stuck
Speaker 6: in the middle, which is sure, which is sad. Really
Speaker 6: that brings me back to my point of America. And
Speaker 6: then you know, in the nineteen sixties we started opening
Speaker 6: it up. We became more Hispanic and more you know,
Speaker 6: African migration and China and India and all this kind
Speaker 6: of stuff. So America is a little a little different
Speaker 6: when it comes to you know, I want Ireland to
Speaker 6: stay Ireland. I want Germany or Netherlands to stay the
Speaker 6: way they are. I want the people who live there,
Speaker 6: the ancestors of that land, to be the same people
Speaker 6: in perpetuity. Ideally, that's my wish for you and I know,
Speaker 6: and America is different in that regard of like we were,
Speaker 6: we were not a nation of immigrants. That's the wrong
Speaker 6: way to put it. We have become more a nation
Speaker 6: of immigrants in the last sixty years, that's true. But
Speaker 6: in the beginning, we were settlers and conquerors. We fought
Speaker 6: natives to established and we settled land that nobody was
Speaker 6: living on. I mean, it's not like we kicked It's
Speaker 6: not like Indians lived everywhere. We kicked them out here.
Speaker 6: They lived over there, and we kind of filled in
Speaker 6: the gaps in between where we had conflicts. We had
Speaker 6: conflicts and you know, and we can argue was it
Speaker 6: resolved the best possible way? Maybe not, that's that's tribal living,
Speaker 6: you know, but I mean it was the way of
Speaker 6: the world to as Colic, we were doing anything anybody
Speaker 6: else wasn't doing. You know, you settle and conquer and
Speaker 6: you do your thing, and everyone's gone.
Speaker 2: For it, and then we decided the own people.
Speaker 6: So you know, that's the funny. Like that's another thing.
Speaker 6: I this is a complete tangent to but a lot
Speaker 6: of people don't understand that when America was founded, it
Speaker 6: was following years centuries of religious conflict where different religious
Speaker 6: sects in Europe, it was constant wars and they were
Speaker 6: almost all of them over religion. And they were not
Speaker 6: all of them, but but like the significant majority of
Speaker 6: the largest wars. Yeah, from like what was it like
Speaker 6: from eleven or twelve hundred up until the sixteen seventeen hundreds,
Speaker 6: they were fighting a lot of wars over religion. It's
Speaker 6: since the Catholics and the Protestants in different sects and
Speaker 6: and and stuff like that. Crusades and you know crusades, Yeah,
Speaker 6: the whole other thing. Yeah, yeah, well, actually that's when
Speaker 6: that's when Europe started fighting itself more was after the
Speaker 6: Muslim conquest and then the Crusades to kind of drive
Speaker 6: them out, and then the next Crusade to go in
Speaker 6: and go for all. Let's take Jerusalem. Now's that kind
Speaker 6: of a thing too, Okay, all of this to get
Speaker 6: around to say in that America. But what America's got
Speaker 6: to do is if we are going to be a
Speaker 6: melting pot, we actually have to turn up the heat
Speaker 6: and melt the immigrants into the pot. They have to assimilate.
Speaker 6: And we've spent the last thirty forty some odd years
Speaker 6: with the American left, as they put it, saying no,
Speaker 6: you don't have to learn the language, you don't have
Speaker 6: to adopt our customs. You don't have to change anything
Speaker 6: about yourself. You can just bring you and everything you
Speaker 6: are and just move it physically to this plot of
Speaker 6: land in a different country. And like that is partly
Speaker 6: what's ruined our higher trust society. Is it's not just
Speaker 6: that people might look different, it's that, really we're not
Speaker 6: having as much cultural assimilation as we should to make
Speaker 6: it a successful project. So you get people who say
Speaker 6: we shouldn't have any immigration at all because it's all
Speaker 6: fucked up, and then people who say we should have
Speaker 6: unlimited immigration and nobody assimilates. I'm like, Okay, I'm more
Speaker 6: on the other side of a I would do And
Speaker 6: I've advocated this before, about a thirty year more than
Speaker 6: a full generation moratorium on any immigration, just to give
Speaker 6: us a chance to settle some shit. Just one full
Speaker 6: generation for the people here to assimilate, for us to
Speaker 6: have our culture war about establishing a national identity, and
Speaker 6: then we can have that conversation, Okay, we're going to
Speaker 6: open up our borders again and let people in. Who
Speaker 6: do we want to let in and why? And how
Speaker 6: I think we need time. I think it's been you
Speaker 6: know there's people who we're talking about that idea of xenophobia,
Speaker 6: and it's like it's two different again. Looking at the
Speaker 6: yin yang, and I've posted this before, it's a yin
Speaker 6: yang and on one side is progress and the other
Speaker 6: side is tradition. And I think you need both and
Speaker 6: you need them to work together. And you can't have
Speaker 6: a society that eliminates one hundred percent of all tradition
Speaker 6: because that's stupid. Obviously, you can't have zero progress because
Speaker 6: we're not perfect. Something could always be a little bit better.
Speaker 6: So you need both, you absolutely need both. And what
Speaker 6: I so, So the people on the progress side, we
Speaker 6: might say the progress zealots, the true believers. That is
Speaker 6: their cult, the cult of progress. Change is always good,
Speaker 6: no matter what I think, they're nuts. They look at
Speaker 6: the tradition folks, even the ones who say, hey, maybe
Speaker 6: we should keep most of the traditions because they seem
Speaker 6: pretty functional. They look at those people and they say, well,
Speaker 6: you're a xenophobic. You're afraid of change, you're afraid of
Speaker 6: things that are different than you. And I feel so
Speaker 6: frustrated by that idea because that's the number one that's
Speaker 6: not me. But number two they're not taking seriously the
Speaker 6: question that you can have too much change too fast
Speaker 6: and you don't have the ability to adapt. And that's
Speaker 6: what we've I think what we've been then, what Europe's
Speaker 6: going through right now as well, is even if you
Speaker 6: want to start letting in more of these folks, you
Speaker 6: got to do it slowly. You got to make sure
Speaker 6: they're brought up to speed and explain cultural expectations. They've
Speaker 6: got to learn the language and become part of that culture,
Speaker 6: not just be an African person living in France that
Speaker 6: they're not French, you know.
Speaker 2: But then the funny thing is, you know, if it
Speaker 2: were the other way around, for example, it is expected
Speaker 2: that we assimilate, and if we don't, it's like, well,
Speaker 2: then good luck to you, because either yeah, if we
Speaker 2: go to.
Speaker 6: A foreign country, they're not going to learn English for
Speaker 6: my sake, They're just not gonna do it. They're gonna
Speaker 6: be like, tough shit, good luck to you. And that's
Speaker 6: I kind of feel like that's the attitude we should
Speaker 6: have as well. Luck then I guess, don't learn English.
Speaker 6: I mean all the forms are in English, street signs
Speaker 6: are in English, the driver's licensed test is in English.
Speaker 6: You're gonna kind of have to adapt exactly.
Speaker 2: I mean here in the Netherlands because now we've we've
Speaker 2: always been a country of trade. You know, we have
Speaker 2: England just on the you know, the other side of
Speaker 2: the pond. We have Germany next to us. We have
Speaker 2: France pretty nearby. It's what is it like, Well, from
Speaker 2: from where I live, it's maybe a cat's say three
Speaker 2: three and a half four hour drive and I am
Speaker 2: south and I am well into France. That's pretty damn short,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 6: It's true, And it's about a three or four hour drive.
Speaker 6: I'm in California, but but then it's about an eight
Speaker 6: or ten hour drive to get to Mexico, a huge.
Speaker 7: Eight to ten hours far without taking get to Italy eighteen,
Speaker 7: like if you were driving well into Yeah, no, I've okay,
Speaker 7: that's funny.
Speaker 2: That's that's the thing I've you know, with my parents,
Speaker 2: I've been lucky enough to explore a lot of the
Speaker 2: world already, a lot of Europe already a lot of times.
Speaker 2: Also because it was with three kids, you know, myself,
Speaker 2: my brother, my sister. We always like had the the
Speaker 2: mini fan, like the seven eight seedter you know, so
Speaker 2: perfect for the kids and birthday parties and you could
Speaker 2: stuff all the freaking baggage in there.
Speaker 6: So if it was like.
Speaker 2: Italy or France or Germany, my parents would drive that
Speaker 2: and yeah, that is like a good u A to
Speaker 2: ten hours.
Speaker 6: I mean they were.
Speaker 2: Like, if it all goes well, like not too much
Speaker 2: traffic and whenever we just you know, go south, we
Speaker 2: are it's just ten hours. I'd say, we're like pretty
Speaker 2: much in Spain by that time, and well on our
Speaker 2: way into Uh.
Speaker 6: I'm kind of in some ways jealous of that too.
Speaker 6: It's like, hey, kids, you want to go see the
Speaker 6: coliseum this weekend and then it only just pop in
Speaker 6: the car and drive me. I'm like, I got a
Speaker 6: well plane ticket to get to New York first, well
Speaker 6: probably Colorado and then New York and then wait and
Speaker 6: then get on a plane and then land in Italy,
Speaker 6: and then I got to find a driver and that's.
Speaker 2: I mean, I can I'm probably never going. I can
Speaker 2: go to the airport taking international train. Now with two
Speaker 2: and a half hours, I'm in Paris.
Speaker 6: Mm hmm. Speaking of which, Uh, I hadn't looked at
Speaker 6: the map in a while, and I'm like, wow, France
Speaker 6: and Spain especially are huge. I realize how big they
Speaker 6: were in Germany too. It Germany is much bigger than
Speaker 6: I thought it was. Yeah, then you get into all
Speaker 6: the smaller, smaller countries around it and what not. But
Speaker 6: it's interesting how the how the Balkans broke up, say
Speaker 6: after after World War two and and certainly the fall
Speaker 6: of the yeah, Soviet Empire.
Speaker 2: And they keep breaking well yeah, and they're like.
Speaker 6: You know, we are people of a certain kind who
Speaker 6: live a certain way, with a certain culture, and these
Speaker 6: are all my relatives. We just want to be a country.
Speaker 6: And so they were sharing a country with like three
Speaker 6: other groups of people, and they said, you know, let's
Speaker 6: just all be our own countries. And now they did,
Speaker 6: and it was I think it was fine. I don't know,
Speaker 6: I need to study up on that. There's probably still
Speaker 6: a lot of.
Speaker 2: Comting there too, but there have definitely been there has
Speaker 2: been trouble in the East.
Speaker 6: There's been trouble. Yeah. No one wants to say like
Speaker 6: genocide in Serbia didn't take place, that that happened, so yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like the Balkans. But it's it's funny like you know,
Speaker 2: in Europe or like western southern Europe, we see that
Speaker 2: as like just a part of Europe. Like you have
Speaker 2: Scandinavia in the north. Then you have well the Benelux
Speaker 2: that is Belgian, Netherlands, Luxembourg, yeah, France, Spain, you know,
Speaker 2: those are all all their their own and then you
Speaker 2: have the Balkans, which is you know, all those countries
Speaker 2: like pretty much next.
Speaker 6: To Germany somewhere over there. Yeah, like I.
Speaker 2: Would probably have uh, you know, I would probably have
Speaker 2: trouble pointing out those countries because.
Speaker 6: Well, even them, you ask the people who live there,
Speaker 6: and they're they're kind of fuzzy on the border because
Speaker 6: they're like, it's never been important we live here, they
Speaker 6: live there, the border somewhere in between. We don't even care.
Speaker 6: It's a little fuzzy on their own borders sometimes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, but I mean that's that's also it's like,
Speaker 2: come to think of it, that's actually a perfect example
Speaker 2: of tribalism. You know, it's like, these are our people.
Speaker 2: We'd like to live with those people. Those are not
Speaker 2: our people, but they live there, so they can, you know,
Speaker 2: live there. That's that's fine. As long as we live
Speaker 2: with our people, you know.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I want to see more of that. I want
Speaker 6: to see more of it, like we just we we're
Speaker 6: not we're not bothering you leave us a we were
Speaker 6: going to do our own thing whenever anybody and if
Speaker 6: people want to be tribal that way, I've called for that.
Speaker 6: In America, of course, we've got from the history of
Speaker 6: the settling the country. We created Indian reservations where it's like, okay,
Speaker 6: you get your own tribal land, and they're actually considered
Speaker 6: a foreign nation within the boundaries of the United States.
Speaker 6: They have their own We actually have treaties with them
Speaker 6: that it's like, you do your thing, and that's why
Speaker 6: they have their own tribal police, and we have to
Speaker 6: get permission to send people in for law enforcement to go,
Speaker 6: you know, hunt for people who committed crimes off off
Speaker 6: reservation land. And I was thinking, what if we did
Speaker 6: that for racial groups in America that want to live separately.
Speaker 6: We create reservation for this is black country, this is
Speaker 6: white country, it's Chinese country. You can live that way
Speaker 6: if you want to. But if most of us are
Speaker 6: not going to I'm not moving to a preservation just
Speaker 6: to they run us.
Speaker 2: Kind of the idea unfersonally not going as well as
Speaker 2: we would hope the growth of odin that we have started.
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, but for the European pagan people,
Speaker 2: we we've put it under your under the Odanism banner
Speaker 2: because you know, that's that's something that is recognized, you know, Odinism.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, like no, we know what you mean. I mean,
Speaker 2: there's there's a lot more more to it than just Odinism.
Speaker 2: But you know, for you know, for government purposes, that's
Speaker 2: easier because you know it's oh yeah, it's the freaking government.
Speaker 2: They need to know, like what are you doing, Why
Speaker 2: are you doing it? Where are you doing it? How
Speaker 2: are you doing is like.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, fill out these forms and then wait six
Speaker 6: sixty eight weeks. Well that that kind of reminds me
Speaker 6: of that's even happened in America as far as the
Speaker 6: like we were talking about the Mormons, they're like Jesus,
Speaker 6: Mormons are crazy. The Mormons like, will screw you, guys,
Speaker 6: We're going to live in Salt Lake City. We'll let's
Speaker 6: go do our own thing. And they still they still
Speaker 6: run Utah. Basically it's they're.
Speaker 2: Run so much more. You should fair enough, Yeah, you
Speaker 2: should listen to Unfiltered Rice with with Heidi love. She
Speaker 2: is a former Mormon who is now spinning all their secrets.
Speaker 2: I I had her on on semi recently to uh
Speaker 2: to talk about cabbage babies and orphan chains. But yeah
Speaker 2: on Fielded Rice podcast, shout out Heidi. She does like
Speaker 2: a lot of axe Mormon stuff and they have their
Speaker 2: fingers everything.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I can see that too. That's and that's that's
Speaker 6: another thing with like the eye, there's there's a nested
Speaker 6: Russian nesting doll scaling issues of like you know, so
Speaker 6: the say the Mormons are using their soft power to
Speaker 6: make to secure their own interest in their homeland, so
Speaker 6: to speak, but they get their fingers in a lot
Speaker 6: of pies. And then you've got America doing that on
Speaker 6: the global stage. And that made me think of the
Speaker 6: idea of we you know, one of the the global
Speaker 6: culture war is between I guess you could say broadly
Speaker 6: nationalism and globalism in a way where the globalists and
Speaker 6: if if we I think they've done a lot of
Speaker 6: bad things in the name of their religion, so to speak,
Speaker 6: in the name of their ideal vision of the world. Sure,
Speaker 6: and they're working to make it happen. But that's but
Speaker 6: it's but setting aside that every group house, every group does,
Speaker 6: setting aside the emotional content of how do I feel
Speaker 6: about what they're doing. You know, their vision is that
Speaker 6: they want the end of national borders. They want the
Speaker 6: end of separate peoples, and that's what they're working towards.
Speaker 6: They think that is the vision, that that is their
Speaker 6: vision of the ideal progress of humanity towards something better.
Speaker 6: I just happen to disagree. I think we lose the
Speaker 6: real beautiful diversity that we have if we homogenize too much.
Speaker 6: There's a phrase enough if I've used it with you
Speaker 6: or other people with the ideas, it's been shortened to
Speaker 6: global homo and some people think that means a global
Speaker 6: push to make everybody homosexual. I'm like, no, it's global homogenization.
Speaker 6: Everyone becomes one people, one united people of Earth. And
Speaker 6: as much as that's it has its own beautiful dream
Speaker 6: quality to it, I get why they think it's a
Speaker 6: good idea. And it's not like there wouldn't be certain
Speaker 6: problems that would disappear if we did that. Let's say
Speaker 6: we to bread every human on the planet until we
Speaker 6: all look the same same hair color, eye color, skin color,
Speaker 6: we were all exactly the same. I think that's a
Speaker 6: bad thing because we lose diversity and individual cultures and
Speaker 6: a lot of things that just make it nice to
Speaker 6: go from one place to another because it's different. When
Speaker 6: there is that much similarity. That is one way to
Speaker 6: accomplish or to re establish, say a high trust society,
Speaker 6: is by taking a bunch of different people and making
Speaker 6: them the same. Ultimately by force, by forcing people to
Speaker 6: migrate and the countries to accept them. I see what
Speaker 6: they're doing. Why is uprooted. It's easier to you know,
Speaker 6: to plant new ideas. You know, Oh, this is no
Speaker 6: longer your homeland. It's not everybody's homeland. Mm.
Speaker 2: But like my father has lived here for generations, you know.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, and then they have someone just pop
Speaker 6: in from another country and now they're your neighbor, and
Speaker 6: you're like, hi, I'm the same as you. You're like
Speaker 6: on paper. Yeah, not not really.
Speaker 2: I've had this discussion briefly with Tom Rauso from Survived
Speaker 2: to Jive. Man. I'm I'm naming it name dropping everyone.
Speaker 6: Name That's good. No, but it's it's.
Speaker 2: You know, it's like just because and I compared it
Speaker 2: to the people from the the Antills you know, a Rubabona.
Speaker 2: The people from the the Suriname. You know, they just
Speaker 2: because they have a Dutch passport, a Dutch bank account,
Speaker 2: and they live here, so they have a Dutch home address,
Speaker 2: which is like the three main things you need to
Speaker 2: have for like a Dutch identity or do Yeah, like
Speaker 2: on paper a Dutch identity.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it doesn't make them Dutch, yeah for sure, like yeah,
Speaker 6: then and then there's yeah, and then the people on
Speaker 6: the other side say that's no, no racist in Bobak
Speaker 6: like it's just a funny thing.
Speaker 2: It is. They don't even consider themselves Dutch. Like if
Speaker 2: you ask them, like, yo, where are you from? Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm from the Surynome, But I thought you were Dutch.
Speaker 2: Yeah I am.
Speaker 6: When you get that American, how.
Speaker 2: Are you from? Like from Surynome, but you are a Dutch?
Speaker 2: Well because I live here, we.
Speaker 6: Get the enclaves, like was it a illin Omar is
Speaker 6: one of our representatives elected to you know, federal Congress,
Speaker 6: and she's from Somalia and she lives in a kind
Speaker 6: of little Somalia in a Minnesota somewhere that was full
Speaker 6: of a bunch of imported Somali's And when they talk
Speaker 6: to each other. And you've got recordings of her giving speeches.
Speaker 6: She says, you know, uh, you know, I'm here to
Speaker 6: represent my people, and by that she means her Somali community,
Speaker 6: not Americans. I mean, she doesn't even consider herself or
Speaker 6: her people who just happened to occupy space in this
Speaker 6: country as Americans. That's not part of her thinking either.
Speaker 6: I don't know, I don't know what to do about these.
Speaker 6: I mean covered a lot of ground.
Speaker 2: Your idea is great, like that is happening in reservation,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 6: Yeah, let's then let's people form their own enclaves. Let's
Speaker 6: just make it a separate country or something. And then
Speaker 6: there's people will say, don't give away our land like
Speaker 6: that okay, fair.
Speaker 2: Enough, No, just you know, give it powers, give it
Speaker 2: away to Bill Gates, Like why don't you that's that's better.
Speaker 6: They don't complain about their billionaires. They just don't like ours.
Speaker 11: Right, it's not wrong when we do it, No, exactly,
Speaker 11: exactly no, But that's that's and I mean, yeah, like
Speaker 11: we we can live as a you know, a world
Speaker 11: wise collective by respecting each other, like we don't all
Speaker 11: have to look alike.
Speaker 2: I mean, by gods. Please, No, No, if we all
Speaker 2: look alike, I don't want.
Speaker 6: To lose that. I think that's boring. That's like exactly
Speaker 6: into one bucket.
Speaker 2: No, but I mean I get like since they're like
Speaker 2: dropping names and quotes and and all of that syndrome
Speaker 2: from the Incredibles picture the Incredibles, if everyone's special, nobody's special.
Speaker 6: I had that same thought, so attached to that idea.
Speaker 6: Now we heard that ten years ago or more. Now
Speaker 6: there's this new thing they call it the heat map,
Speaker 6: where they said, you know, how far does your caring
Speaker 6: about things beyond yourself extend? And one heat map of
Speaker 6: conservatives is very local, family oriented, small, small group, primary concern.
Speaker 6: And the heat map for the more liberal left, you know,
Speaker 6: progressive type is well, I care about everything up to
Speaker 6: and including space, dust and so, I mean I think
Speaker 6: literally that's what it says, rocks and trees and whatnot.
Speaker 6: And they look at it as we are morally superior
Speaker 6: because we care more broadly about more things, or the
Speaker 6: breadth of our carrying is better. And my perspective is
Speaker 6: the syndrome quote. If you care about everything, you care
Speaker 6: about nothing. You can't care about a rock and a
Speaker 6: tree the same amount as you care about your family.
Speaker 6: That's not good in my opinion. So I am very
Speaker 6: much the localized map to my immediate surroundings, you know,
Speaker 6: my wife, my my neighbors, my community, my state, my nation,
Speaker 6: then the rest of the world in that order. And
Speaker 6: then after all, the people of the world are rocks
Speaker 6: and trees. We only need rocks and trees so much
Speaker 6: as they. I love the biodiversity of nature. But but
Speaker 6: you know, we take care of the environment so we
Speaker 6: can keep living in It is what it is, and
Speaker 6: we want it beautiful.
Speaker 2: And if we take care of ourselves, then we are
Speaker 2: able to keep living in this environment. You know, live
Speaker 2: in harmony with the environments, because you know, if we
Speaker 2: don't do those heinous acts, then.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I get yeah, exactly. And as much as I
Speaker 6: don't think anyone should be wantonly destructive, I also don't
Speaker 6: inherently care about a given patch of desert and a
Speaker 6: scrub bush and a and a snake and a scorpion
Speaker 6: living there. I mean, it's I don't have I don't
Speaker 6: have care for that, even though you could say I
Speaker 6: would like nothing bad to happen to them for no
Speaker 6: good reason. You know, that's that's definitely where I'm at.
Speaker 6: But yes, yeah, anyway, so that's syndrome. Quote, if you
Speaker 6: care about everything, you care about nothing because you have
Speaker 6: to put you have to rank order some things exact,
Speaker 6: and if your family and friends are not more important
Speaker 6: to you, there's a problem in my opinion.
Speaker 2: So that's that's very I mean, that's that's very traditional thinking.
Speaker 6: It's very well, you're a pretty heavy conservative side, which
Speaker 6: is funny because I consider myself someone with one foot
Speaker 6: planted on both sides of the progress tradition gap. Now
Speaker 6: there's a lot of people who are naturally more conservative,
Speaker 6: naturally more progressive. Fair enough, we need them both, I
Speaker 6: don't think now the extreme extremes are rigidity and chaos,
Speaker 6: and it's like neither one of those is good either.
Speaker 6: We need we need loyal opposition that works to figure
Speaker 6: out the necessary balance, that thin line between are we change,
Speaker 6: are we throwing the baby out with the bathwater as
Speaker 6: far as tradition goes, or are we refusing to embrace
Speaker 6: a positive change because we're we don't want to, we
Speaker 6: don't like it, we don't realize it's necessary. A lot
Speaker 6: of like so, I I'd say in the last I mean,
Speaker 6: I have a healthy conservative streak, but I'd say in
Speaker 6: the last ten, fifteen, whatever or years, I have been
Speaker 6: more of a vocal advocate for conservative perspectives because in
Speaker 6: America specifically, I think the left has been too has
Speaker 6: had too much power control, and has gone off the rails.
Speaker 6: So I'm not defending that as much as I like.
Speaker 6: In the these or early early two thousands, even I
Speaker 6: was a little more on the left side of some
Speaker 6: arguments because to me, they're like you take if you
Speaker 6: take the example from the from the nineties, we had
Speaker 6: Al Gore and his wife, Tipper, and Tipper Gore was
Speaker 6: the one who got record companies to put explicit warning
Speaker 6: labels not for kids on CDs and albums, and that
Speaker 6: was because they were and this was democrats in America,
Speaker 6: the left holding committees on the moral implications of exposing
Speaker 6: children to gangster rap lyrics and different sexual and violence,
Speaker 6: which is something worth considering, you know, but now can
Speaker 6: agree with dot now the modern left is. So I
Speaker 6: was on the left on that argument. I was on
Speaker 6: I was to the left of Al Gore and his wife,
Speaker 6: the Democrats in power, you know, or at least part
Speaker 6: of the Bill Clinton Democrat White House. I was to
Speaker 6: the left of them, saying, I don't think you should
Speaker 6: be controlling what we're allowed to buy. And then they
Speaker 6: struck the compromise, Well, we'll put a warning parental advisory
Speaker 6: sticker on it, and that was a I'm like, okay,
Speaker 6: you warned parents, parents are in control. You've accomplished the mission.
Speaker 6: It's not a bad thing to give people more information.
Speaker 6: But so I was very anti sensor. Well, now the
Speaker 6: left has become the in America has become pro censorship.
Speaker 6: We can't let speak people have free speech because the
Speaker 6: Holocaust will happen again. I'm like, okay, now I'm on
Speaker 6: the concert conservative side of things, where we need a
Speaker 6: lot more free speech than that. That's not a good
Speaker 6: minds of things, saying what was right, what was left?
Speaker 6: It's flipped, Yeah, changes a lot. Yeah. Well, now the
Speaker 6: Republican part of your people like, oh, you're gay coman
Speaker 6: and we don't care anymore. It's they used to be
Speaker 6: very much that's a sin against nature and God. You
Speaker 6: can't allow that, and now we don't care. I mean,
Speaker 6: it's not just and it's a libertarian I never cared,
Speaker 6: like whatever, it's.
Speaker 2: Not just the polls that are shifting. There's a there,
Speaker 2: like I mean, every everything is just you know, what
Speaker 2: what is up is down, what is left is right.
Speaker 2: You know, abnormal is normal, gay is straight. It's like
Speaker 2: everything is the opposite yet somehow it is the same
Speaker 2: and it should be celebrated. But at the same time,
Speaker 2: don't celebrate it too much. That's why I.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I know.
Speaker 2: See even he thinks to say where and he's a cat,
Speaker 2: like Gofi, he says.
Speaker 6: Damn right, yeah no, but cats understand freedom, they value
Speaker 6: it highly. Can touch me when I don't want to
Speaker 6: be touched, feed me when I'm hungry, let me outside
Speaker 6: sometimes you go outside or no, Yeah, he does, he does. Okay,
Speaker 6: I used to have cats that let outside, and I've
Speaker 6: been doing that less and less just because I worry
Speaker 6: about him. You know, I don't want him going over
Speaker 6: the things and getting him by this.
Speaker 2: I mean, he is a Tommy is a he's a
Speaker 2: tough guy at a big soft tea.
Speaker 6: So you know he can he knows how to say
Speaker 6: out of trouble. Well he's still alive, he must so.
Speaker 2: Or he's just very good at you know, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: getting out of trouble or surviving.
Speaker 6: Out of trouble again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't know, but he has. He has
Speaker 2: survived me for the past five years, so that's something, right. No, so,
Speaker 2: uh geez two and it's again two and a half
Speaker 2: hours again do.
Speaker 6: A half hours? Yeah, I can say I think I
Speaker 6: think I'm running out of brain. Juice in my ass
Speaker 6: is starting to get sore. I should probably get him
Speaker 6: walk around and.
Speaker 2: I still have to have dinner.
Speaker 6: Yeah right, Oh that's right. He came home and got
Speaker 6: right got right into this. No, well, we can definitely
Speaker 6: do it again. I've got a video game stream to
Speaker 6: get ready for and I got to check this. Uh right,
Speaker 6: as I was jumping into the chat with you here,
Speaker 6: I had taken that gunga Din song I don't even
Speaker 6: know finish. I finished telling that story. Well, it's gonna
Speaker 6: be an Americana kind of up tempo country.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, because the way it's the way it's written. It's
Speaker 6: a guy who's speaking in a very the way he's
Speaker 6: punctuated it, you can tell it's a lower class British
Speaker 6: kind of Cockney accent. Ye, he says, you know, he
Speaker 6: gave me urfa point that that kind of speaking tone.
Speaker 2: You can hear.
Speaker 6: So that's definitely gonna be a heavy Southern American accent,
Speaker 6: not pronouncing the g's on n M words type of
Speaker 6: type of singing style. So I'm excited to go, what
Speaker 6: what has Sooner produced? It's been sitting there un listened
Speaker 6: to this whole time, Like, I'm kind of excited to
Speaker 6: go check that out too. Yeah, no, you you go
Speaker 6: do that. It's gonna be a great song you won't
Speaker 6: hear for a couple of months.
Speaker 2: So I need to figure out when I'm having for dinner.
Speaker 2: I mean it's a it's a quarter or two midnight
Speaker 2: in the meantime.
Speaker 6: Might be pizza, pocket time, something in the microwave. I
Speaker 6: do that a lot.
Speaker 2: I don't have. I don't have anything to micro I
Speaker 2: think have pizza, tostinos, pizza rolls.
Speaker 6: I had some of those the other day. They were
Speaker 6: so good now that I want them again.
Speaker 2: I don't think they have something like that. I mean
Speaker 2: what we have it's more Indomesian, I believe.
Speaker 6: I mean that's that's that's.
Speaker 2: Like one good thing of you know, being multicultural, you
Speaker 2: you are exposed to different types of food. That is
Speaker 2: not to say that you know they should come here,
Speaker 2: just because of the different types of food.
Speaker 6: You know, I do one or two, one or two
Speaker 6: to bring their food with them. That's fine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I'm not gonna get like the different spices,
Speaker 2: not just pepper and salts, but you know a lot
Speaker 2: of different spices as well. It's like, okay, you know keeps.
Speaker 6: That's one of the funniest That's one of the funniest
Speaker 6: things about Like in America, there's a there's a people
Speaker 6: of colored thing that they say, oh, white people don't
Speaker 6: know how to spice their food. I'm like, mist you know,
Speaker 6: we fought wars for hundreds of years over spices. We
Speaker 6: entries to get spices. Don't talk to me, yeah, I
Speaker 6: mean in in.
Speaker 2: We've even like mates, like just whole sayings with them,
Speaker 2: you know, like worthier souls or here in the Netherlands,
Speaker 2: bayer deer like as expensive as pepper, because apparently that
Speaker 2: was which is the expensive back in the day.
Speaker 6: Once upon a time, Once buon a time, like I said,
Speaker 6: we were fighting wars over pepper. We were we were like,
Speaker 6: we need spicy food, let's go kill those people. Well
Speaker 6: they did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's like, that's that's one of the
Speaker 2: main things that we brought over, like the Dutchies India
Speaker 2: company we went to in Sure, we went to the East,
Speaker 2: what do we bring back? I mean a whole lot
Speaker 2: of freaking spices. And then everyone other, like everyone back
Speaker 2: home was like, oh shit, this is good man.
Speaker 6: Possibly another discussion for another time, because we keep trying
Speaker 6: to say goodbye, but both of us can't stop talking.
Speaker 6: Was it it was the Dutch that became the Afrikaans,
Speaker 6: right they settled the yeah?
Speaker 2: Or was it no? That was that was the Dutch.
Speaker 6: And that's not yeah? Yeah? Was that the that's your
Speaker 6: your people used to be Now they're they're certainly now
Speaker 6: they're they're their own people. Yeah. I just want to
Speaker 6: make sure I was getting the country of origin because
Speaker 6: I couldn't.
Speaker 2: Those were the Dutch and Afrikaans. If if you really,
Speaker 2: if you really try, and they you know, they they
Speaker 2: slow it down a little, you can almost kind of
Speaker 2: make out what they're saying. I can, actually I can
Speaker 2: there it is because it is like since people.
Speaker 6: That speak some Spanish or German or whatever thrown in,
Speaker 6: I can kind of make it out.
Speaker 2: Sometimes it is, well, it used to be Dutch because
Speaker 2: we left and they they actually did well on, like,
Speaker 2: you know, America and the brit Sleep left them alone.
Speaker 2: They were like, okay, you got your independence, and now
Speaker 2: look what you don't want the country.
Speaker 6: Yeah. Another another thing about those people is like they
Speaker 6: didn't displace anyone. They they went to empty land and
Speaker 6: built cities and and then just kind of did their
Speaker 6: own thing. And then other people that were local came
Speaker 6: to live with them because they're like, oh, look they
Speaker 6: got a city, let's let's go live there. Yeah. And
Speaker 6: then that's when the thing was, it looks.
Speaker 2: A whole lot nicer, the technology is a lot better,
Speaker 2: they don't look like they're starving, they don't have to
Speaker 2: get they can grow their own ship. Makes life a
Speaker 2: whole lot easier and a whole lot better. Let's go
Speaker 2: live with them and I can.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, it's my perspective the the Afrikaans did
Speaker 6: nothing wrong in anything, you know. So and actually I
Speaker 6: think Trump just extended to the boer out there refugee
Speaker 6: status like hey, if you good, feel like your life
Speaker 6: is a danger and you want to get the hell
Speaker 6: out of there because it is, come firm in the Midwest,
Speaker 6: Come come to California. Whatever. The great subject to get
Speaker 6: into the history of it, so maybe maybe another.
Speaker 2: I mean just Dutch history, hell like Dutch colonial history.
Speaker 6: Cheesus Okay, such a tiny country that went everywhere. I
Speaker 6: mean relative to the size of other countries around you.
Speaker 6: I mean you look at that that that thumbprint next
Speaker 6: to the you know.
Speaker 2: I mean any Dutch East India company or very successful.
Speaker 2: The company was the first multi national, had its own
Speaker 2: private army, was basically more powerful than any kingdom.
Speaker 6: Just think, damn it. They started the globalist ship. Sorry,
Speaker 6: well the English did it? We all done on behalf
Speaker 6: of the Dutch you oe, Alex Alex Jones and a polity.
Speaker 2: No, but it's it's so funny. It's like, oh, the
Speaker 2: King of Spain doesn't want us to do this. Here,
Speaker 2: here's a bag of money. Let tell him to shut
Speaker 2: the fuck up. King of Spain says yeah, like they like, don't,
Speaker 2: don't go do this, don't. I think I think more
Speaker 2: of what America needs to do is rather than this
Speaker 2: is just based on that like kings of Quins, we
Speaker 2: still also have the ability is as our federal government
Speaker 2: to give out letters of mark and reprisal. So instead
Speaker 2: of invading and other country, I think we should just
Speaker 2: put bounties on the head of certain people that are
Speaker 2: like really bad dudes, I mean, and then hey, maybe
Speaker 2: the locals, maybe they pick up that letter of market reprisal,
Speaker 2: they take care of the bad dude and they get
Speaker 2: paid for it. I think that's how we could deal
Speaker 2: with the cartels in Mexico too. We don't have to
Speaker 2: go down there with our troops. We don't have to
Speaker 2: invade with our army, we don't have to drop bombs
Speaker 2: on them. We just put out a bounty on the
Speaker 2: head of the cartel. Then someone can come collect the
Speaker 2: payday or do what else the prize or did you
Speaker 2: know take their example. Okay, yeah, like holy shit, MS
Speaker 2: thirteen and it's pretty much not a thing anymore.
Speaker 6: Yeah, now, the only I mean being the question everything
Speaker 6: contrary and that I am sometimes I'm like, I hope
Speaker 6: he didn't sweep up too many innocent people when he
Speaker 6: did that. Probably not. I mean, I think most of
Speaker 6: the folks he got were in the gangs and well
Speaker 6: known to be violent, and he dealt with those people.
Speaker 6: We have a little different thing.
Speaker 2: In Americas of like different interviews, and that's like also
Speaker 2: usually how the gangs work, Like you don't get the tattoo,
Speaker 2: you don't get the representation if you're not in the gang,
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, and then you.
Speaker 6: Just up with the tattoo. You're you're pretty good.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and you have to you have to have
Speaker 2: killed for it, Like that's the initiation. Like you kill,
Speaker 2: you get the tattoo, which means you're in the gang.
Speaker 2: Or well, I guess the other way around. For the league,
Speaker 2: it's like, and anyone kills, you're in the gang, you
Speaker 2: get the tattoo, which means you one of us.
Speaker 6: Yeah. And if you're an American or international citizen so
Speaker 6: to speak, above of another not American country, sure you
Speaker 6: want Yeah, what am I trying to say? If you
Speaker 6: don't think Mexican cartels and other very dangerous groups need
Speaker 6: to be dealt with, you got to see some of
Speaker 6: the videos that are out there. I cannot recommend it,
Speaker 6: but if you search for a video called funky Town,
Speaker 6: you will know why we need to deal with that.
Speaker 6: I have only seen a description of it. I have
Speaker 6: not watched the video because I won't do that to myself.
Speaker 6: But if you have any doubts about whether some very
Speaker 6: bad dudes that really need to be taken care of
Speaker 6: and cannot be allowed to just continue hurting people. Watch
Speaker 6: some of those videos that are out there, I mean
Speaker 6: of pretty horrible things, and they do it kind of
Speaker 6: for fun. What was was one story I heard that
Speaker 6: the cartel would have a thing like where they'd throw
Speaker 6: a big party with a bunch of hookers and then
Speaker 6: they would just kill them all at the end of
Speaker 6: the night for fun, take them in the basement and
Speaker 6: do horrible things. I mean, these are not good people
Speaker 6: that I wouldn't mind if bad things happened to them,
Speaker 6: because that's their idea. That shouldn't that shouldn't happen to anybody. Yep, anyway,
Speaker 6: I should go that's it all. Just start saying progressively
Speaker 6: crazier things.
Speaker 2: That's how you know it's the end of the show, right,
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, thank you for coming on. We
Speaker 2: touched on.
Speaker 6: Everything everything I don't which. The only thing we left
Speaker 6: out was the kitchen's sake next time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll be using it to, you know, make dinner.
Speaker 6: Of course. Well that was I mean to to kind
Speaker 6: of bring it around full circle. We started with the
Speaker 6: idea of you know, what is a what is a
Speaker 6: fake God? And in that way it you know, you
Speaker 6: could look at it from a biblical lens. What is
Speaker 6: a false idol? What is giving your faith or belief
Speaker 6: to something that is not true and does not produce
Speaker 6: good results? And we kind of talked to and that
Speaker 6: opens the door to everything. What do you believe? How
Speaker 6: do you engage with the world, What are the good
Speaker 6: outcomes you you want to see? And how do you
Speaker 6: achieve them? Kind of it all start. I think it
Speaker 6: all starts with it with questioning our faith are what
Speaker 6: do I believe and why? Yeah?
Speaker 2: And then we also came to the conclusion that tribalism
Speaker 2: and having tribal land or tribal patches of lands true
Speaker 2: enclaves in.
Speaker 6: America might be good reservation. Save the red Heads. That's
Speaker 6: that's my message we should come away with.
Speaker 2: This should start we saved the red Heads.
Speaker 6: You know, for sure, do your part. No, but this
Speaker 6: has been a it has been.
Speaker 2: A most most fascinating chat for well two This is
Speaker 2: before editing, of course, so two hours forty two at the.
Speaker 6: Moment, we just lapped the whole thing. I've done bother me.
Speaker 6: I'm fine with it. However, however you want to do it,
Speaker 6: so I I like, just do.
Speaker 2: Basic basic editing like I don't. I don't cut a
Speaker 2: whole lot out just you know, the what is it
Speaker 2: like the filler words and shore the longer pauses to
Speaker 2: just make it a consistent hole. But I never cut
Speaker 2: out more than I mean.
Speaker 6: It's all part of that producer's craft. We were talking
Speaker 6: about two yeah, yeah, no exactly finding the right mix.
Speaker 6: So yeah, I mean, dude, like like your stuff real quick.
Speaker 6: Then oh yeah, I'm a guy. So at the bottom
Speaker 6: of the screen there probably you'll see it, says uh
Speaker 6: Benjamin the dream Wizard dot com. You can also uh
Speaker 6: you know, find me of course at Benjamin the dream
Speaker 6: Wizer on YouTube and my music channel at real AI
Speaker 6: Radio where all those songs are. I got books about dreams,
Speaker 6: I do video game streams. I need I need ah
Speaker 6: now that just Bryan, I got books about dreams and
Speaker 6: video game streams. Maybe I need to write a song
Speaker 6: or a poem when I this off nothing, when I
Speaker 6: still can't up goodbye? But one more thing, right? What
Speaker 6: Every every day, every day I open up my my
Speaker 6: video game streams with a toast, and it's it's bringing
Speaker 6: a bunch of different ways of toasting from different languages.
Speaker 6: I don't know if you've seen at the beginning. Yeah,
Speaker 6: it's uh, let's say it's uh, it's I pros it
Speaker 6: there gonna be like nostrovia conpi salude, cheers to you,
Speaker 6: and here's mudd in your eye, and it just brings
Speaker 6: all those together. So wherever you're at in the world,
Speaker 6: I'm saying cheers to you in your own hopefully there's
Speaker 6: too many languages, But I okay all of that to
Speaker 6: say that when I'm plugging my stuff, I should come
Speaker 6: up with a poem that says all the things in
Speaker 6: rhymes and then I can memorize that and it'll be
Speaker 6: a lot that won't be rambling as much. So anyway,
Speaker 6: that's me, that's my stuff. I'm out there. You can
Speaker 6: find me. Don't follow me on Twitter. I say crazy shit,
Speaker 6: or do if you're into nuts, or do if you're
Speaker 6: into that yet I mean that fits you off though, Yeah,
Speaker 6: I mean that's that's one of the traits of a wizards.
Speaker 2: You know, he says crazy shit sometimes.
Speaker 6: I know, be quite so sure you know exactly what
Speaker 6: a wizard's up to, even he doesn't know what he's
Speaker 6: up to half the time. That's that's for sure. That's it, right,
Speaker 6: I trust my gut. I just go with it. I
Speaker 6: don't know why I'm doing this with this, this is
Speaker 6: what I need to do. Well, thank you for having me.
Speaker 6: I appreciate it. It's always always going to talk to you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely absolutely, I still need to like plug my stuff.
Speaker 2: I have shit going on as well.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, do it?
Speaker 1: Do it?
Speaker 5: So?
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, thank you everyone for watching. Thank you everyone
Speaker 2: for uh for listening. Thank you for uh for sticking
Speaker 2: with us on this. Uh like again like Rambly sites Tangent, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, Hopscotch kind of episodes. But I mean that's
Speaker 2: that's just what happens when you have someone who is
Speaker 2: you know, who is as awesome as as Ben Like.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's a reason why it's like two hours
Speaker 2: forty five at the moment. It's not because you know,
Speaker 2: we don't have anything to talk about. I mean we
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