WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:03.200 Hey there, did you know that this podcast as a 2 00:00:03.200 --> 00:00:07.160 supporters club. By becoming a supporter of the show, you 3 00:00:07.240 --> 00:00:11.039 gain access to exclusive content and play an active role 4 00:00:11.080 --> 00:00:14.359 in helping me to continue producing the content you love. 5 00:00:15.359 --> 00:00:18.239 See the link in the episode description for more details. 6 00:00:19.480 --> 00:00:20.440 Now let's get. 7 00:00:20.440 --> 00:00:25.120 Back to the episode. The Eye. 8 00:00:25.480 --> 00:00:28.600 We call on the waves, the loud and right by 9 00:00:28.679 --> 00:00:30.960 the same long we stand. 10 00:00:30.719 --> 00:00:31.519 As one. 11 00:00:33.840 --> 00:00:40.039 Beau boy Catlin hand stripe down the phone, protect this land, 12 00:00:41.079 --> 00:00:45.640 Oh it all, Father, secular voice, So guide our souls 13 00:00:45.759 --> 00:00:47.119 to the sacred rhythm. 14 00:00:47.799 --> 00:00:51.799 Friend, Queen of the hot fun home with love and grace. 15 00:00:51.960 --> 00:00:52.880 Make a soul. 16 00:00:54.880 --> 00:00:56.719 Just with your eye might. 17 00:00:57.280 --> 00:00:58.159 Guide of food. 18 00:00:58.439 --> 00:01:03.920 The topis nights Hell, the mistress of life, Fanta, show us. 19 00:01:03.880 --> 00:01:08.599 The pap with every breath. Pray upon us love. 20 00:01:08.560 --> 00:01:13.120 And what we honor you know and forever more. 21 00:01:15.400 --> 00:01:17.680 Wos to lisas we. 22 00:01:17.840 --> 00:01:22.920 Call the rooms we see showcals, hustles, ride, don't jail us, 23 00:01:23.280 --> 00:01:28.079 We say, Las, flight away, locals, hagger. 24 00:01:27.920 --> 00:01:31.480 Last Naas we see our spirits. 25 00:01:31.079 --> 00:01:35.359 Rise on the winds, Las spring it sun Gema, we 26 00:01:35.799 --> 00:01:37.719 must boos the last. 27 00:01:37.760 --> 00:01:43.159 We must welcome. Welcome back everyone to the Gray Range, 28 00:01:43.239 --> 00:01:48.319 Pagan's podcast. At time of recording. I literally just got 29 00:01:48.400 --> 00:01:53.680 home myself a drink adubbie. Yes, this is product placements. 30 00:01:53.799 --> 00:01:56.480 These these people actually pay me if you buy ship 31 00:01:56.560 --> 00:01:59.480 from them using my coat stiff fox ten. Get the 32 00:01:59.480 --> 00:02:04.760 shilling done right away. Oh yeah, I have my kiddy 33 00:02:04.840 --> 00:02:08.199 co hosts with me, of course, as those my guests. 34 00:02:08.400 --> 00:02:12.520 Tho Wields the dream Wizard himself, who I've had on 35 00:02:12.919 --> 00:02:15.960 once before and I've been on your channel once before. 36 00:02:17.560 --> 00:02:19.520 He's taking over this show because when I'm when I'm 37 00:02:19.560 --> 00:02:23.240 live streaming video games too gets Yeah, that's it's just 38 00:02:23.439 --> 00:02:24.159 so funny too. 39 00:02:25.039 --> 00:02:27.080 Here is uh, it's got full of his claw marks 40 00:02:27.120 --> 00:02:30.719 to go. What do you do? He's gonna be all 41 00:02:30.800 --> 00:02:36.360 in the face. He's so needy. He does this when 42 00:02:36.360 --> 00:02:37.840 I'm laying down and go to sleep too. He puts 43 00:02:37.879 --> 00:02:40.280 his face on. Mind. We rescued him when he was well, 44 00:02:40.360 --> 00:02:43.360 my wife did. When he was a crying, starving, tiny 45 00:02:43.360 --> 00:02:46.400 little kitten in a bush, been separated from his from 46 00:02:46.439 --> 00:02:48.719 his mother, and we, you know, nursed him and fed 47 00:02:48.800 --> 00:02:50.960 him and he just he loves to cuddle. Never gets enough. 48 00:02:50.960 --> 00:02:52.240 Little separation anxiety. 49 00:02:52.280 --> 00:02:57.280 I'd imagine, Yeah, I imagine, I imagine. So that's common 50 00:02:57.400 --> 00:03:02.840 among rescues. Turned down my mic a little because I'm 51 00:03:02.840 --> 00:03:08.039 getting some feedback, but yeah, welcome, Welcome to the show 52 00:03:08.240 --> 00:03:09.520 once again, Ben. 53 00:03:09.560 --> 00:03:11.919 Yeah, good to be back. Always fun to talk to you. 54 00:03:12.800 --> 00:03:13.039 Have you? 55 00:03:13.199 --> 00:03:15.639 I mean, last time we did the whole dream thing 56 00:03:16.039 --> 00:03:18.719 on like nothing dream analysis but like, you know, what 57 00:03:18.759 --> 00:03:21.560 does a dream? What does it mean? On my channel? 58 00:03:21.840 --> 00:03:26.719 We went for two and a half hours or something like. 59 00:03:26.840 --> 00:03:27.439 We like that. 60 00:03:27.879 --> 00:03:29.879 We I talk a lot, You give me a roll 61 00:03:29.919 --> 00:03:31.879 and I can't stop myself. Well, speaking of which, I 62 00:03:31.919 --> 00:03:33.479 was telling you a story before we get started. If 63 00:03:33.479 --> 00:03:37.719 you want to, yeah, continue, I'm scatter brain, which I 64 00:03:37.759 --> 00:03:42.080 think is part of my secret sauce, part part part 65 00:03:42.120 --> 00:03:43.479 of what makes me able to do what I do. 66 00:03:43.919 --> 00:03:46.599 And so you know, for a while there and I 67 00:03:46.639 --> 00:03:48.520 haven't given this up. I just haven't had a dream 68 00:03:49.639 --> 00:03:50.960 analysis in a while, so I'm like, what am I 69 00:03:51.000 --> 00:03:52.240 gonna fill my time with? I need to work on 70 00:03:52.280 --> 00:03:54.599 another book. But that's like I kind of lost a 71 00:03:54.680 --> 00:03:57.240 bust of passion for finishing these things, Like what do 72 00:03:57.360 --> 00:03:59.680 I do? How do I force myself into that long story? Short? 73 00:04:00.039 --> 00:04:04.280 Started an AI music side venture, so it's it's primarily well, 74 00:04:04.280 --> 00:04:06.719 you can go to my YouTube dot com slash at 75 00:04:07.000 --> 00:04:09.159 Benjamin the Dream Wizard, and down at the very bottom 76 00:04:09.319 --> 00:04:12.479 is just a single playlist of all the AI Radio music. 77 00:04:12.560 --> 00:04:17.560 But the actual channel is at real AI Radio. And 78 00:04:17.959 --> 00:04:21.319 so I've decided. You know, it used to be I 79 00:04:21.360 --> 00:04:23.199 would just release a song whenever I was finished with it, 80 00:04:23.240 --> 00:04:24.480 just put it up there. Put it up there, because 81 00:04:24.480 --> 00:04:25.879 you got to get a bunch of content on a channel, 82 00:04:25.959 --> 00:04:28.240 or it's not a channel. Now I'm doing weekly releases, 83 00:04:28.279 --> 00:04:29.920 so I've got a bunch locked and loaded and ready 84 00:04:29.959 --> 00:04:31.879 to go. This is all all. The story was the 85 00:04:32.000 --> 00:04:34.439 story you missed out there before we started recording, and 86 00:04:34.560 --> 00:04:36.439 I'm working on three or four more and I just 87 00:04:36.519 --> 00:04:40.199 came across. It's weird how things happen. I'm on the 88 00:04:40.240 --> 00:04:44.000 internet and someone is talking about the Elon drama and 89 00:04:44.040 --> 00:04:45.959 then someone else is like, God, why does anyone care 90 00:04:46.000 --> 00:04:49.839 about who Elon's having kids with? And I'm like, and 91 00:04:49.920 --> 00:04:51.920 then the line popped into my head, well you're a 92 00:04:52.079 --> 00:04:53.800 better man than I am, gonna get in And I'm 93 00:04:53.879 --> 00:04:57.279 kinda kind of fascinated by it, even though I know 94 00:04:57.480 --> 00:04:58.040 who cares. 95 00:04:58.120 --> 00:04:58.600 Who cares? 96 00:04:58.680 --> 00:05:01.000 It's stupid, but it's like, ooh, who's gonna have a 97 00:05:01.040 --> 00:05:03.120 baby with next. It's kind of a celebrity thing, and 98 00:05:03.199 --> 00:05:05.279 I'm like, you know, whatever, my mouse out of the 99 00:05:05.319 --> 00:05:08.920 way God. Anyway, So that line is from a Rudyard 100 00:05:09.079 --> 00:05:11.720 Kipling poem, and I've done several Kipling poems as my 101 00:05:12.639 --> 00:05:16.600 AIAI radio song. So what happens with each poem is 102 00:05:18.040 --> 00:05:19.480 in a way it kind of speaks to me and 103 00:05:19.560 --> 00:05:24.560 it says this is this fits the style of the poetry, 104 00:05:24.680 --> 00:05:27.199 fits a specific genre. So I just did one for 105 00:05:27.319 --> 00:05:29.959 Valentine's Day that just came out. It's a poem by 106 00:05:30.240 --> 00:05:35.120 n Bradstreet from like the sixteen seventies, four hundred and 107 00:05:35.160 --> 00:05:37.759 fifty years ago? Is it now three hundred and fifty 108 00:05:37.839 --> 00:05:41.600 years something like that, three hundred and fifty I think anyway. 109 00:05:41.959 --> 00:05:46.600 So her poem was it's entitled to my Dear and 110 00:05:46.759 --> 00:05:49.680 Loving husband. So it's an ode. It's a love song. Oh, 111 00:05:50.079 --> 00:05:53.560 a love song? What are the different styles of love songs? 112 00:05:53.639 --> 00:05:56.160 And I could have said it in any genre, you know, 113 00:05:56.279 --> 00:06:01.439 nineteen fifties harmony, mister and man style love song could 114 00:06:01.439 --> 00:06:03.519 have done that. But what popped into my head really 115 00:06:03.720 --> 00:06:07.319 was was kind of a almost like Adele or Lana 116 00:06:07.360 --> 00:06:11.199 del Rey, these kind of husky voiced lounge singer. So 117 00:06:11.279 --> 00:06:14.399 that's what I ended up with, lots of lots of 118 00:06:14.519 --> 00:06:17.120 vocalizing harmonies and different stuff going on in that song. 119 00:06:17.160 --> 00:06:18.720 So if you listen to it, it's a it's about 120 00:06:18.720 --> 00:06:22.199 a two minute song based on this poem, and I 121 00:06:22.319 --> 00:06:23.879 said it as a you know, kind of a lounge 122 00:06:24.040 --> 00:06:26.800 singer style, and it's funny. It actually turned out to 123 00:06:27.160 --> 00:06:29.680 the image that was the best. I do like dozens 124 00:06:29.759 --> 00:06:32.800 and dozens of images because Grot still has trouble with 125 00:06:32.879 --> 00:06:36.519 fingers and faces look weird and sometimes there's there's overlapping 126 00:06:36.600 --> 00:06:38.560 objects in the background. I'm like, I just I can't. 127 00:06:38.680 --> 00:06:41.600 I can't release that with that mess. So dozens and 128 00:06:41.639 --> 00:06:43.399 dozens of pictures, and the one that ended up being 129 00:06:43.439 --> 00:06:45.160 the best looks looks a lot like another gal I 130 00:06:45.240 --> 00:06:50.399 follow on Twitter, a comedian by the name of LEONARDA Joni. 131 00:06:50.560 --> 00:06:52.879 It just looks like her, so's I actually dedicated the 132 00:06:52.920 --> 00:06:54.160 song that I told her and I I don't know 133 00:06:54.199 --> 00:06:55.959 if she saw my I mean I posted it to 134 00:06:56.079 --> 00:06:58.920 her timeline. I'm nobody, so she probably has no idea. 135 00:07:00.040 --> 00:07:01.800 I said, you know, I dedicated this to to her 136 00:07:01.920 --> 00:07:05.079 because if what am I trying to say it is 137 00:07:05.160 --> 00:07:07.959 the alternate reality where Leonardo di Joni became a lounge 138 00:07:07.959 --> 00:07:11.519 singer at a jazz club rather than a comedian. And 139 00:07:11.720 --> 00:07:13.319 so I have no idea if she saw it or not, 140 00:07:13.439 --> 00:07:16.439 but that's my process. Though each saw Okay, we sure 141 00:07:16.639 --> 00:07:19.759 too late for that gunga Din. What popped into my 142 00:07:19.920 --> 00:07:27.920 head was a very up tempo country riff, kind of Americana, zydico, accordion, banjo, 143 00:07:28.240 --> 00:07:30.959 you know, doom Doom, Doom, Doom, Doom, Doom Doom, one 144 00:07:31.000 --> 00:07:32.480 of those kind of things. And I'm like, okay, I'm 145 00:07:32.519 --> 00:07:34.959 going for that style of this because it's a very 146 00:07:35.079 --> 00:07:37.800 long poem too, And you've gotta right now, the software 147 00:07:37.800 --> 00:07:39.759 I'm using it only allows three thousand words, but it 148 00:07:39.800 --> 00:07:42.920 will allow you to extend something to a little bit longer. 149 00:07:43.480 --> 00:07:45.639 So I've got to what I had to do with 150 00:07:46.399 --> 00:07:48.399 another side tange, what I had to do with the 151 00:07:49.160 --> 00:07:52.720 Edgar Allan Poe work, The Raven. That thing is like 152 00:07:52.920 --> 00:07:56.360 seventeen verses long, and each verse is like twenty lines long. 153 00:07:56.439 --> 00:08:00.680 It's ridiculous. So I did the first five verses and these, 154 00:08:01.120 --> 00:08:05.959 So the song I released is not the full The Raven, 155 00:08:06.240 --> 00:08:08.399 but with the song like gun getd in. It tells 156 00:08:08.439 --> 00:08:10.839 a full story from beginning Dan. It kind of introduces 157 00:08:10.920 --> 00:08:16.519 the character and how the singer is interacting with that character, 158 00:08:16.680 --> 00:08:19.639 and then events the transpire, and then it ends at 159 00:08:19.639 --> 00:08:22.040 a very specific point, so I get it. So all 160 00:08:22.120 --> 00:08:24.120 of this goes into making the song. And it isn't 161 00:08:24.160 --> 00:08:25.959 just like I go boop, I've got a song. It's 162 00:08:26.040 --> 00:08:28.959 like I'll do I've done what is it? I've done 163 00:08:30.040 --> 00:08:34.080 nine or twenty different iterations trying to get the best 164 00:08:34.279 --> 00:08:37.919 version of something, and then I have to take audio 165 00:08:38.480 --> 00:08:40.639 software and try and clean it up a little bit 166 00:08:40.720 --> 00:08:43.759 because the program I'm using it gets what's called a 167 00:08:43.840 --> 00:08:45.960 shimmer in the background. That's what people have taken to 168 00:08:46.039 --> 00:08:50.080 calling it. It's like when there's too much background noise 169 00:08:50.159 --> 00:08:53.399 and audio distortion going in. And unfortunately this program i'm using, 170 00:08:53.440 --> 00:08:56.200 no no program does this yet. It doesn't do individual tracks. Now, 171 00:08:56.279 --> 00:08:58.799 it'll separate music from vocals, so you can tweak those 172 00:08:58.799 --> 00:09:00.679 a little bit too soft to out. And I do 173 00:09:00.759 --> 00:09:02.440 a lot of a lot of audio engineering on on 174 00:09:02.519 --> 00:09:05.120 the back end to get things to sound better. I 175 00:09:05.159 --> 00:09:06.399 didn't do that at the beginning. So some of the 176 00:09:06.519 --> 00:09:08.279 songs in the beginning are like you can hear the shimmer, 177 00:09:08.320 --> 00:09:09.960 you can hear how awful it is. I just said, oh, 178 00:09:10.039 --> 00:09:12.480 that's that's amazing, and I and then I started picking 179 00:09:12.519 --> 00:09:14.360 up on how to how to do it better. But 180 00:09:15.960 --> 00:09:17.759 I was going somewhere with that that I think I 181 00:09:17.840 --> 00:09:21.279 ran out of words. I'll stop, I'll stop. No, that's 182 00:09:21.879 --> 00:09:22.879 that's a really good story. 183 00:09:23.519 --> 00:09:24.320 AI music. 184 00:09:25.200 --> 00:09:25.879 It's amazing. 185 00:09:26.759 --> 00:09:27.039 It is. 186 00:09:27.200 --> 00:09:29.279 I mean, the intro that I'm that I have been 187 00:09:29.440 --> 00:09:33.080 using for the last few shows, someone made a new 188 00:09:33.120 --> 00:09:38.240 intro nice Queen of Blades goes by improper Ascension on Twitter. 189 00:09:38.799 --> 00:09:45.039 Sweet he actually did a like a whole room goth 190 00:09:45.480 --> 00:09:48.799 themed song for me, like and he he created it 191 00:09:49.120 --> 00:09:53.879 using AI ruins of the ancients, and it's it's an 192 00:09:53.879 --> 00:09:57.840 amazing song. It is really cool. You know, it's up tempo, 193 00:09:58.200 --> 00:10:01.919 it has that, you know, that that metal vibe that 194 00:10:02.080 --> 00:10:04.559 I love. But at the same time, it's really this 195 00:10:04.799 --> 00:10:07.879 this you know, there's the the pagan spirit kind of 196 00:10:08.039 --> 00:10:13.039 in it even though it is AI. So yeah, like, 197 00:10:13.159 --> 00:10:15.559 I'm really happy with that. And it saves me a 198 00:10:15.679 --> 00:10:18.000 lot of time as well, because the intro that I 199 00:10:18.879 --> 00:10:22.240 was using, that I have used with our previous show 200 00:10:22.440 --> 00:10:26.519 is actually copyrighted music but I have permission from the 201 00:10:27.159 --> 00:10:29.399 from the band to use it. But every time I 202 00:10:29.639 --> 00:10:33.039 upload something on you know, on YouTube, every time I 203 00:10:33.159 --> 00:10:36.679 schedule a new episode, I have to put that in there. 204 00:10:36.720 --> 00:10:39.879 It's like, hey, it's you're using copyright chats, and it's like, yeah, 205 00:10:39.919 --> 00:10:42.559 but I have permission. Okay, well you know, you know, 206 00:10:42.879 --> 00:10:45.879 plame it. It's like, okn, I just every damn time, 207 00:10:46.200 --> 00:10:49.759 you know, And yeah, it's good music, it's a good song. 208 00:10:49.960 --> 00:10:53.360 It's you know, fitting with the theme of the of 209 00:10:53.440 --> 00:10:56.200 the podcast, of course. But now I have one, you know, 210 00:10:56.360 --> 00:11:01.759 like entirely like custom creatists for me. You can find 211 00:11:01.919 --> 00:11:05.840 the creator on band lab is, where he posts most 212 00:11:05.879 --> 00:11:08.360 of his most of his his music, and I of 213 00:11:08.440 --> 00:11:12.759 course have the link in the description down below. The 214 00:11:12.840 --> 00:11:15.080 only thing that I'm kind of sad about is that 215 00:11:15.279 --> 00:11:19.360 I can use the full song as my intro because 216 00:11:19.519 --> 00:11:23.080 it's over over three and a half, closing in on 217 00:11:23.200 --> 00:11:26.799 like four minutes. And yeah, I mean for an intro, 218 00:11:27.039 --> 00:11:29.519 it's it's an epic fucking song, but for an intro, 219 00:11:29.639 --> 00:11:32.120 and it's still too down long, and it's it's such 220 00:11:32.159 --> 00:11:32.519 a shame. 221 00:11:33.279 --> 00:11:35.360 Yeah, I also do this is just making me think 222 00:11:35.399 --> 00:11:37.480 of other other stuff here too, so I've for my 223 00:11:38.799 --> 00:11:41.480 Dreamscape show, I do use a piece of custom music 224 00:11:41.559 --> 00:11:45.159 created by a digital artist musician friend of mine, and 225 00:11:45.279 --> 00:11:47.159 he gave me four He wrote it for me and 226 00:11:47.200 --> 00:11:48.879 gave it to me, So that's Fanta, and I've used 227 00:11:48.879 --> 00:11:50.480 some of his other works. He's like, use whatever you want. 228 00:11:50.720 --> 00:11:52.759 And luckily he didn't. He didn't claim anything, and no 229 00:11:52.840 --> 00:11:54.600 one's claiming it on his behalf, so I get away 230 00:11:54.639 --> 00:11:57.720 with that. But you know, for I've also been making 231 00:11:58.039 --> 00:12:01.159 unique intro videos for each new game that I play. 232 00:12:01.360 --> 00:12:05.960 I used to get DRM free music from the YouTube 233 00:12:06.039 --> 00:12:09.120 audio Library, and I'm running out. I've gone through everything 234 00:12:09.159 --> 00:12:11.679 that I think sounds good. It's the same problem. What 235 00:12:11.759 --> 00:12:13.879 made me think of this is some of those songs 236 00:12:13.960 --> 00:12:15.879 ended up being two and a half three minutes long, 237 00:12:15.919 --> 00:12:17.600 and I'm like, nobody wants to sit through a three 238 00:12:18.000 --> 00:12:20.919 minute opening song before you just get to the games already. 239 00:12:20.919 --> 00:12:23.039 I'm here to watch the games. So I've been creating 240 00:12:23.360 --> 00:12:26.039 songs using the same program and making custom videos with 241 00:12:26.120 --> 00:12:28.159 that custom music, and I can actually tell it and 242 00:12:28.240 --> 00:12:30.559 sometimes it listens. But I can actually tell it maximum 243 00:12:30.679 --> 00:12:33.960 length of ninety seconds, and sometimes it'll listen and it'll 244 00:12:34.000 --> 00:12:35.919 do the thing, and then it's no longer than an 245 00:12:35.919 --> 00:12:38.399 anime intro, and a lot of people can sit through. 246 00:12:38.399 --> 00:12:40.440 They can sit through ninety seconds, or at least when 247 00:12:40.440 --> 00:12:42.240 it's ninety seconds. They do know how much to fast forward. 248 00:12:42.240 --> 00:12:43.759 If they don't want to hear it, that's fine, But 249 00:12:44.039 --> 00:12:46.080 you get a custom song and a custom music video. 250 00:12:46.159 --> 00:12:49.559 So I've been playing and I'm gonna be playing it 251 00:12:49.559 --> 00:12:54.679 again today at five pm. Life Is Strange from twenty fifteen, 252 00:12:54.879 --> 00:12:57.759 and it's actually the twenty eighteen remastered version, but whatever 253 00:12:57.799 --> 00:12:59.480 it's I'm going back to the original. I have to. 254 00:13:00.000 --> 00:13:04.120 I have to catch up on those streams I've been doing. 255 00:13:04.159 --> 00:13:07.080 Story it is. They did a really good job, don't nod. 256 00:13:07.279 --> 00:13:09.159 I've played some other other games or the games that 257 00:13:09.200 --> 00:13:11.919 they've been involved with, and they're pretty good at storytelling. 258 00:13:12.399 --> 00:13:14.799 So it's nice that there's a But anyway, I wrote 259 00:13:14.840 --> 00:13:17.399 a customs. This is what actually got me into doing 260 00:13:17.480 --> 00:13:20.080 the AI Poetry is like. So for that one, I 261 00:13:20.159 --> 00:13:24.240 went to Grock and I said, write lyrics that would 262 00:13:24.320 --> 00:13:28.919 represent the themes and storyline and plot of Life Is 263 00:13:29.000 --> 00:13:33.320 Strange without spoilers, just talk about the concepts involved, and 264 00:13:33.519 --> 00:13:36.720 Groc gave me some lines that were a good start, 265 00:13:36.879 --> 00:13:39.759 and then I tweaked them to be what they are. 266 00:13:40.039 --> 00:13:42.679 Then I put them into suno I use suno ai, 267 00:13:42.919 --> 00:13:46.519 s u n O dot ai or yeah, and it 268 00:13:46.600 --> 00:13:48.720 really is. I have an experiment with others I probably should. 269 00:13:48.879 --> 00:13:50.720 This one works so so well, and I'm very familiar 270 00:13:50.759 --> 00:13:52.440 with it, so I'm just like, I'll just go with 271 00:13:52.559 --> 00:13:55.639 its limitations and do my best. So and then it 272 00:13:55.720 --> 00:13:58.840 turned that into the theme song that you see. It 273 00:13:58.919 --> 00:14:00.759 has a lot of shimmer in it before I really 274 00:14:00.799 --> 00:14:02.480 understood what shimmer was and how to get rid of it. 275 00:14:02.639 --> 00:14:04.600 But I also did another one for the game I 276 00:14:04.639 --> 00:14:10.720 played before that, which was Sunset Overdrive. The conceit was 277 00:14:11.240 --> 00:14:14.440 an energy drink company made a formula that turns everybody 278 00:14:14.480 --> 00:14:17.399 into disgusting mutants and they're all trying to kill everybody. 279 00:14:18.159 --> 00:14:23.639 You've got to rail slide on telephone wires and guardrails 280 00:14:23.759 --> 00:14:26.399 and all kinds of rooftops and you It's very very 281 00:14:26.559 --> 00:14:30.519 very kinetic, high fast paced game. Yeah, lots of lots 282 00:14:30.559 --> 00:14:33.559 of fun. So I did I had again Grock, Oh 283 00:14:33.600 --> 00:14:38.919 you know the x Ai write lyrics, give me lyrics 284 00:14:38.960 --> 00:14:41.399 that are about the game Sunset Overdrive, and just ran 285 00:14:41.440 --> 00:14:43.200 with it, and then I took that and so a 286 00:14:43.360 --> 00:14:45.039 I hasn't gotten to the point where it just produces 287 00:14:45.240 --> 00:14:48.000 instantly exactly what you're looking for in the best possible format. 288 00:14:48.039 --> 00:14:50.799 So there's definitely a human component that needs to go 289 00:14:50.879 --> 00:14:53.000 into it, which is, well, this is a good start. 290 00:14:53.080 --> 00:14:56.200 You've given me some some tasty meat and a lot 291 00:14:56.279 --> 00:14:58.039 of skeleton, and I'm gonna fill in the rest and 292 00:14:58.480 --> 00:15:00.720 rearrange it and make it work. And then also it's 293 00:15:00.759 --> 00:15:02.519 getting into that style. So what you don't want to 294 00:15:02.519 --> 00:15:04.639 do with the song like that is it's all about 295 00:15:04.879 --> 00:15:08.480 you know, rebels and post apocalypse and its tongue in 296 00:15:08.600 --> 00:15:10.840 cheek and a little silly, and so you don't want 297 00:15:10.879 --> 00:15:12.840 to say, make this classical music. 298 00:15:13.799 --> 00:15:19.840 The Gray Horned Pagan's podcast is proudly sponsored by Dobbie Energy. 299 00:15:20.559 --> 00:15:24.200 So what exactly is Dubbi and what is dubby all about? 300 00:15:25.080 --> 00:15:27.559 WI is a clean energy drink that is made to 301 00:15:27.639 --> 00:15:31.720 give focus with no crash, jitters, or angst. Like other 302 00:15:31.960 --> 00:15:36.080 energy dreams. 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So I'm like, okay, well 315 00:16:29.120 --> 00:16:31.159 give me and had to look for keywords that that 316 00:16:31.240 --> 00:16:33.159 would make Suno behave the way I wanted it to 317 00:16:33.320 --> 00:16:35.759 and give me that punk rock song. And what were 318 00:16:35.799 --> 00:16:38.960 some of the lines. It's a so grind the skyline, pop, 319 00:16:39.039 --> 00:16:41.519 the sickest tricks, living like a rock star to get 320 00:16:41.559 --> 00:16:44.159 my kicks, no time for ordinary where rebels and we're 321 00:16:44.200 --> 00:16:48.480 free in this neon LT nightmare. We refuse to face defeat. 322 00:16:48.840 --> 00:16:50.679 That was great lines, great lines. 323 00:16:52.039 --> 00:16:54.759 I definitely enjoyed that, Thank very much. 324 00:16:54.840 --> 00:16:56.559 That's something I also added now to the to the 325 00:16:56.639 --> 00:16:59.840 AI channel is a playlist of all my music videos 326 00:17:00.039 --> 00:17:02.240 people want to see when they just game. I just 327 00:17:02.279 --> 00:17:05.079 take game trailers on on YouTube and again edit them 328 00:17:05.200 --> 00:17:07.799 for time and content and pacing for the because you 329 00:17:07.839 --> 00:17:10.440 want you want scene changes that go with the music. 330 00:17:10.519 --> 00:17:13.880 You want if the music slow and slow before a 331 00:17:13.960 --> 00:17:17.799 build up, you want slow pands, you want slow zooms, 332 00:17:18.119 --> 00:17:21.079 you want static shots, and then when it kicks in 333 00:17:21.240 --> 00:17:24.319 and then you want dynamic action to go. So composing 334 00:17:24.680 --> 00:17:28.559 producing the things that that makes sense, that flow well 335 00:17:28.680 --> 00:17:31.440 and and are entertaining is its own you. So I've 336 00:17:31.480 --> 00:17:32.880 been learning how to do that, just kind of tea 337 00:17:33.039 --> 00:17:35.000 teach myself things. That's I think that's all part of 338 00:17:35.000 --> 00:17:38.680 wizardry too. It's being the kind of person who you know, 339 00:17:38.880 --> 00:17:41.279 you you have the creativity to think of something to do, 340 00:17:41.440 --> 00:17:44.680 and then the determination and ability to follow through and say, okay, 341 00:17:44.680 --> 00:17:46.799 well I'm going to teach myself even if it's difficult. 342 00:17:46.920 --> 00:17:49.400 I know, you know, it's a self it's a self 343 00:17:49.440 --> 00:17:54.160 teaching type of type of Yeah, personality trade is not 344 00:17:54.240 --> 00:17:56.559 the right way to put it, but your attitude towards life. 345 00:17:56.680 --> 00:17:59.559 I get it, you can get it, which is you know, 346 00:17:59.880 --> 00:18:04.200 the AI stuff is actually a nice segue into you 347 00:18:04.279 --> 00:18:07.279 know what I asked to hear, you know on the 348 00:18:07.480 --> 00:18:10.039 back on the show for is well, let's let's call 349 00:18:10.119 --> 00:18:14.480 them made up gods, because I had this, this discussion 350 00:18:14.559 --> 00:18:16.920 with a friend of mine the other day, the same 351 00:18:16.960 --> 00:18:20.920 guy who made my intro actually, and like I am 352 00:18:21.200 --> 00:18:26.480 a big fan of Ruinscape, like the mmor BG RuneScape. 353 00:18:27.640 --> 00:18:29.720 I've been playing it on and off ever since I 354 00:18:29.920 --> 00:18:31.400 was twelve. 355 00:18:31.799 --> 00:18:33.920 So like for the last that was ancient when you 356 00:18:34.000 --> 00:18:37.200 got into it. That's back from the mid nineties, I think, right. 357 00:18:37.640 --> 00:18:40.839 The whole concept and everything. Yeah, I believe it was 358 00:18:40.960 --> 00:18:44.359 like developed in the in the neies and like really 359 00:18:44.440 --> 00:18:47.240 good popular graphics. Two thousands. 360 00:18:48.440 --> 00:18:50.359 Have graphics improved and kept up a little bit, or 361 00:18:50.359 --> 00:18:51.640 is it still kind of JANKI and all. 362 00:18:51.559 --> 00:18:56.720 The bends if you play RuneScape three or old school RuneScape, 363 00:18:56.799 --> 00:19:01.759 because they they reboot it or rebooted, redesigned the two 364 00:19:01.799 --> 00:19:03.960 thousand and seven servers. 365 00:19:04.160 --> 00:19:07.079 Okay, gotcha, because. 366 00:19:06.839 --> 00:19:10.160 So many people, you know, they didn't like the progression 367 00:19:10.240 --> 00:19:13.880 of RuneScape. You know, they when it was like actual RuneScape. 368 00:19:13.880 --> 00:19:16.759 What's that old school RuneScape? You know, they started playing that, 369 00:19:17.000 --> 00:19:20.920 and then that started to develop, and the graphics got better, 370 00:19:21.119 --> 00:19:26.680 of course, so that they found an old an old 371 00:19:27.559 --> 00:19:31.599 copy or like an old backup on a hard disk, 372 00:19:31.720 --> 00:19:36.519 and they asked their community. They asked their pratayors like, hey, like, 373 00:19:36.960 --> 00:19:40.000 would you want us to reboot this again? And yeah, 374 00:19:40.640 --> 00:19:45.200 they they fucking would. But in RuneScape, you know, it's 375 00:19:45.279 --> 00:19:49.039 also a story about several gods, you know, the three 376 00:19:49.240 --> 00:19:55.079 main gods Gothics, Samarakzada Domain, you know, the evil one, 377 00:19:55.160 --> 00:19:57.960 the neutral one, the good one. And it got me wondering, 378 00:19:58.039 --> 00:20:01.599 you know, since I am poly theists, you are somewhere 379 00:20:01.599 --> 00:20:06.079 in the middle, and there is so much time and 380 00:20:06.400 --> 00:20:11.759 energy has gone into creating those you know, made up gods. 381 00:20:12.519 --> 00:20:15.920 You know, they have followers, they have a backstory. There 382 00:20:16.000 --> 00:20:20.440 are freaking different ages in the world of Gillanor and 383 00:20:20.759 --> 00:20:26.480 like battles between the gods, et cetera. So with so 384 00:20:26.680 --> 00:20:31.240 much time and energy and like even money, which is 385 00:20:31.359 --> 00:20:34.799 just another form of energy really put into it, does 386 00:20:34.839 --> 00:20:38.319 that still make them fake gods because it's a video 387 00:20:38.400 --> 00:20:41.039 game or could you say that you know, they have 388 00:20:42.559 --> 00:20:45.599 kind of come to life in in you know, like 389 00:20:45.839 --> 00:20:49.400 in that way. Yeah, well of course, also like think 390 00:20:49.440 --> 00:20:51.559 of the you know, the love Craftian gods and like 391 00:20:51.680 --> 00:20:56.440 all the gods from the different different games for example, 392 00:20:56.599 --> 00:21:02.000 so much time and energy has gone into crafting those gods. 393 00:21:02.960 --> 00:21:07.319 So just because they're you know, computer generated or like, 394 00:21:07.759 --> 00:21:10.880 you know, just written on paper does not make them 395 00:21:10.920 --> 00:21:16.680 any any less real. So what yeah, what is what 396 00:21:16.799 --> 00:21:20.359 is your opinion on it? What are your thoughts on that? 397 00:21:20.519 --> 00:21:23.759 Yeah, I've kind of contemplated some things like this before. 398 00:21:23.799 --> 00:21:26.319 So two things immediately came to mind. And there's a 399 00:21:26.400 --> 00:21:31.279 there's a concept that gods are real or empowered to 400 00:21:31.400 --> 00:21:34.240 the extent of the number of followers that they have. 401 00:21:34.720 --> 00:21:36.640 And that's that's both what am I trying to say, 402 00:21:36.799 --> 00:21:39.400 figurative but also very real. I mean, like in terms 403 00:21:39.480 --> 00:21:43.240 of real life behavior, and the more people believe a 404 00:21:43.279 --> 00:21:46.880 particular thing, the more people behave a particular way. So 405 00:21:46.960 --> 00:21:50.000 you could say, you know, a specific type of God 406 00:21:50.279 --> 00:21:54.440 is responsible for or governs a given society. And in 407 00:21:54.599 --> 00:21:56.920 some cases it's like what doesn't matter if they're real 408 00:21:57.000 --> 00:22:00.440 or if the behavioral. If people behave as if real, 409 00:22:00.759 --> 00:22:03.599 then there what's the functional difference of that one? One 410 00:22:03.640 --> 00:22:05.839 way of looking at the believers equal you know, the 411 00:22:06.079 --> 00:22:08.599 strength of a particular God, which is not a concept 412 00:22:08.839 --> 00:22:10.640 I invented. I'd heard about that a long time ago, 413 00:22:10.720 --> 00:22:12.359 of course, you know. And then the idea that God 414 00:22:12.440 --> 00:22:14.880 would weaken and his influence in the world would weigh 415 00:22:14.960 --> 00:22:18.200 the fewer and fewer followers you have both philosophically and 416 00:22:18.480 --> 00:22:22.359 practically true. Then, like as to the reality of the 417 00:22:22.400 --> 00:22:28.319 God itself, it kind of fits with that as well, like, 418 00:22:28.640 --> 00:22:31.400 you know, the God is as real as his believers 419 00:22:31.559 --> 00:22:34.039 and act in some ways. But it also made me 420 00:22:34.119 --> 00:22:37.880 think that there was a time in human history before 421 00:22:38.240 --> 00:22:43.240 certain gods existed. And that's a controversial statement to say, 422 00:22:43.279 --> 00:22:45.599 because you go from the Christian perspective and you'll say, no, 423 00:22:45.720 --> 00:22:47.759 God was always there. God made everything, you know. But 424 00:22:47.839 --> 00:22:50.400 then you've got, in terms of human storytelling, in terms 425 00:22:50.440 --> 00:22:55.359 of people communicating these ideas and living by these ideas, 426 00:22:55.440 --> 00:22:59.480 there was a time before the solidified what do you 427 00:22:59.559 --> 00:23:01.680 call it, when you know, before the lore had all 428 00:23:01.759 --> 00:23:05.759 come together, for thor for Odin. Yeah, before before they 429 00:23:05.799 --> 00:23:08.720 had a particular image and a particular name, they were 430 00:23:09.319 --> 00:23:15.599 just this this grand force. Yeah, there was there was 431 00:23:15.680 --> 00:23:17.359 a and then. So the other side of it is 432 00:23:17.440 --> 00:23:19.319 that a lot of these things are real to the 433 00:23:19.960 --> 00:23:24.200 degree that they represent something real. So you know, I 434 00:23:24.319 --> 00:23:26.240 love the Greek gods for that reason because they had 435 00:23:26.279 --> 00:23:27.720 some very and I love to go to the idea 436 00:23:27.759 --> 00:23:32.200 of Mars and Aphrodite. I mean, Aphrodite is as real 437 00:23:32.359 --> 00:23:37.640 as the human experience of love. And that's a complicated 438 00:23:37.720 --> 00:23:40.279 thing to tease out, because now does that mean there 439 00:23:40.400 --> 00:23:44.440 is a person, a physical being, standing literally on Mount 440 00:23:44.480 --> 00:23:47.000 Olympus in a temple on the clouds, and that person 441 00:23:47.160 --> 00:23:50.519 is the that entity. That being is the literal embodiment 442 00:23:50.559 --> 00:23:54.119 of love itself, and hauses love to exist, et cetera, 443 00:23:54.160 --> 00:23:57.079 et cetera. I don't know. I've never met Aphrodite, but 444 00:23:57.559 --> 00:24:01.960 I've experienced love, and I've seen love be involuntary, and 445 00:24:01.960 --> 00:24:05.279 I've seen it drive men to great works and to 446 00:24:05.440 --> 00:24:08.480 self destruction. So whatever is going on there, it's a 447 00:24:08.640 --> 00:24:10.880 real thing. And the Greeks pulled it together in that 448 00:24:10.960 --> 00:24:13.960 way of saying, well, we're going to give these forces 449 00:24:14.039 --> 00:24:19.799 of apparent forces of nature personas, and their persona also 450 00:24:19.880 --> 00:24:22.799 kind of describes how the thing functions. So the idea 451 00:24:22.839 --> 00:24:25.559 that Aphrodite sends Cupid to shoot you with an arrow 452 00:24:25.640 --> 00:24:28.559 so you involuntarily experience, and then they get the idea 453 00:24:28.599 --> 00:24:30.079 that we are the playthings of the gods, and that 454 00:24:30.119 --> 00:24:33.839 way we're getting and really the way we experience emotions, 455 00:24:34.000 --> 00:24:36.559 it feels like we are being affected by an external 456 00:24:36.640 --> 00:24:39.480 force love has come into me. I have no choice 457 00:24:39.720 --> 00:24:42.640 to reject it. This feeling is present. Now what do 458 00:24:42.720 --> 00:24:45.119 I do with it? So you know, that's what I 459 00:24:45.200 --> 00:24:46.680 mean when I say things like, you know, a god 460 00:24:46.799 --> 00:24:49.599 is as real as the effect it's describing in the world, 461 00:24:50.480 --> 00:24:53.599 And in that sense we then, you know, somewhat contradictory 462 00:24:53.640 --> 00:24:56.559 to what I was saying before, that you know, existed 463 00:24:57.920 --> 00:25:00.880 as long as humans were capable of that emotion, even 464 00:25:00.880 --> 00:25:02.480 if they couldn't put it into words, even if they 465 00:25:02.519 --> 00:25:06.759 couldn't create a symbol or a description or a describe 466 00:25:06.799 --> 00:25:09.400 a practice of worship for that thing. So I'm bringing 467 00:25:09.480 --> 00:25:11.400 full circle and wrap it up with your you know, 468 00:25:11.839 --> 00:25:14.880 the idea of video game gods being real or fake, 469 00:25:15.000 --> 00:25:17.480 it's it's almost like how real is the thing they 470 00:25:17.559 --> 00:25:19.759 represent and how many followers do they have in the 471 00:25:19.839 --> 00:25:24.200 world enacting that through ritual in a sense so real 472 00:25:24.240 --> 00:25:26.319 and fake almost comes down to, you know, is it 473 00:25:26.400 --> 00:25:29.000 describing something true and people believe it and act upon it, 474 00:25:29.200 --> 00:25:32.240 or is it more pure fantasy like a unicorn where 475 00:25:32.279 --> 00:25:34.839 we can imagine a horse with a horn doesn't actually exist, 476 00:25:35.359 --> 00:25:38.640 but also people don't worship it. It doesn't represent something 477 00:25:39.440 --> 00:25:43.480 that inspires a religious practice. Those are all my thoughts. 478 00:25:43.640 --> 00:25:48.319 Yeah, that's a lot of thoughts. I know it's very, 479 00:25:48.599 --> 00:25:49.599 very elaborate, but. 480 00:25:52.279 --> 00:25:52.720 I get it. 481 00:25:53.079 --> 00:25:56.960 And you know, I took RuneScape as an example because 482 00:25:57.000 --> 00:25:59.400 it's the best one that I know. 483 00:26:00.160 --> 00:26:02.319 Were you playing RuneScape when you when you have that thought, 484 00:26:02.319 --> 00:26:03.640 you're like, oh, I wonder about to look at the 485 00:26:03.799 --> 00:26:06.440 gods in this game the kind of inspiration. 486 00:26:06.559 --> 00:26:12.960 Watch a lot of RuneScape content creators and it's it's 487 00:26:13.160 --> 00:26:16.720 very popular. I think the the one with the most 488 00:26:17.240 --> 00:26:22.400 subscribers that might be spark Mac. I believe he is 489 00:26:23.279 --> 00:26:27.680 like well on his way to five hundred thousand subscribers. 490 00:26:29.920 --> 00:26:32.480 Ninety nine percent of his content is old school rooms 491 00:26:32.519 --> 00:26:35.519 Cape content, Like he'll do some other things every now 492 00:26:35.559 --> 00:26:38.880 and then, but old school RuneScape is his well, literally 493 00:26:39.160 --> 00:26:42.640 his his bread and butter. And that also made me think, 494 00:26:42.680 --> 00:26:44.799 you know, even the people who don't play RuneScape, you know, 495 00:26:44.880 --> 00:26:48.839 they call me to contact with these creators, like I 496 00:26:49.119 --> 00:26:51.240 see that in comments often like oh I don't even 497 00:26:51.240 --> 00:26:53.480 play RuneScape, but I just you know, I love watching this. 498 00:26:54.200 --> 00:26:59.000 They also come in contact with these ideas of you know, 499 00:26:59.200 --> 00:27:02.599 like the first age or second age of Gleanor, and 500 00:27:03.079 --> 00:27:06.119 you know, the literal God Wars. There's in the game 501 00:27:06.119 --> 00:27:08.920 there's a God Wars dungeon where all the gods and 502 00:27:09.039 --> 00:27:12.960 their their minions literally their minions reside, so they're like 503 00:27:13.079 --> 00:27:16.519 they're even alive in you know, the world of RuneScape still, 504 00:27:18.359 --> 00:27:20.799 so it it just came to mind like that. And 505 00:27:20.880 --> 00:27:25.839 also because it's so popular on like on social media, 506 00:27:25.920 --> 00:27:27.960 on the video platforms, like I said, you know, close 507 00:27:28.000 --> 00:27:32.519 to five hundred thousand subscribers. They may not all be 508 00:27:32.680 --> 00:27:37.240 followers of you know, those those gods in particular, but 509 00:27:37.400 --> 00:27:41.920 they at the very least coming context through the creator 510 00:27:42.400 --> 00:27:47.559 of you know, of those videos with the the idea 511 00:27:47.880 --> 00:27:51.400 of those gods and my my mind and as a 512 00:27:51.480 --> 00:27:54.279 tendency to go dark. It happens when you're when you're great, 513 00:27:54.799 --> 00:27:55.400 you can switch. 514 00:27:56.119 --> 00:27:56.640 It's true. 515 00:27:57.240 --> 00:27:58.599 I didn't even do this on purpose. 516 00:27:59.200 --> 00:28:01.440 That's why again, Off the Gray had to become Gandalf 517 00:28:01.559 --> 00:28:04.599 the White before he could back off worm Tongue and 518 00:28:04.759 --> 00:28:08.720 save the King of Rohan. Yeah, that's what the worm 519 00:28:08.799 --> 00:28:11.720 Tongue thought. He was being clever. Gandalf Storm and Crow 520 00:28:11.960 --> 00:28:14.039 the Gray. You have no power here, Oh the Gray 521 00:28:14.119 --> 00:28:16.680 has no power here. I ain't gray no more. Motherbuck 522 00:28:16.880 --> 00:28:21.079 throws off a rope. Yeah, yeah, shit. He came back 523 00:28:21.160 --> 00:28:24.240 with a new power, a new focus. That's a power. 524 00:28:24.319 --> 00:28:27.640 See now we're talking fantasy too, but like that inspires people, 525 00:28:27.720 --> 00:28:30.160 that idea of you know, And what it took for 526 00:28:30.279 --> 00:28:33.920 him to get there was to sacrifice himself, him and 527 00:28:34.359 --> 00:28:37.880 immortal being fighting another immortal being, which is very one tonic. 528 00:28:38.480 --> 00:28:41.000 One of them was gonna die, one of them impossibly, 529 00:28:41.079 --> 00:28:42.559 neither one of them was making it out of here. 530 00:28:42.720 --> 00:28:45.920 But his mission was so important he sacrificed himself to 531 00:28:46.000 --> 00:28:48.440 a worthy goal and came back with new power. That 532 00:28:48.720 --> 00:28:52.200 is a true phenomenon that happens in real life. Whether 533 00:28:52.359 --> 00:28:54.519 Gandalf ever existed or not, don't it doesn't matter, you know, 534 00:28:54.559 --> 00:28:57.279 whether he's completely fake. It's a true story in that sense. 535 00:28:57.640 --> 00:28:58.880 Yeah, it's oh wonderful. 536 00:28:58.880 --> 00:29:01.240 I love that. I love it, But I interrupted just aslutely. 537 00:29:01.319 --> 00:29:04.000 But like even in you know, stories like the Lord 538 00:29:04.240 --> 00:29:07.519 Lord of the Rings, like just there will building alone 539 00:29:08.519 --> 00:29:11.880 that you know Tolkien has put put into it, you know, 540 00:29:11.960 --> 00:29:14.079 the silmar really in the hobbit that the Lord of 541 00:29:14.119 --> 00:29:19.680 the Rings, it has become a world in a way. 542 00:29:19.799 --> 00:29:22.720 And also because he you know, he pulls so much 543 00:29:22.880 --> 00:29:27.720 from Catholicism, from Norse paganism, Celtic paganism. You know, it's 544 00:29:27.839 --> 00:29:32.039 it is all all real in a way. But like 545 00:29:32.160 --> 00:29:34.359 also what I was thinking, you know, there are horrible 546 00:29:34.720 --> 00:29:39.839 things done in the name of made up beings. Like 547 00:29:39.920 --> 00:29:43.759 take Slanderman for example. You know, a very popular creepy 548 00:29:43.839 --> 00:29:47.079 pasta you know, started as like some kind of a 549 00:29:47.160 --> 00:29:50.920 gentleman's like, hey, just come up with something creepy. Well 550 00:29:51.039 --> 00:29:52.960 that turned into a slander Man, which is now an 551 00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:57.680 all like pop culture phenomena. But there have been two girls, 552 00:29:57.839 --> 00:30:00.559 I believe, like twelve and thirty, you know, twelve and 553 00:30:00.640 --> 00:30:04.279 fourteen years old who did despicable things in the name 554 00:30:04.640 --> 00:30:06.240 of slender. 555 00:30:05.960 --> 00:30:08.119 But took another young child out to the forest and 556 00:30:08.200 --> 00:30:11.319 like attempted to kill them or sacrifice. 557 00:30:11.039 --> 00:30:15.880 Like something that yeah, like the slender Man does in 558 00:30:16.240 --> 00:30:20.240 you know, the lore that is created around him. Yeah, 559 00:30:20.559 --> 00:30:24.319 they made it very very real. But Slender Man and 560 00:30:24.559 --> 00:30:29.359 you know his his stories are absolutely made up. But 561 00:30:29.559 --> 00:30:33.079 still it was real enough for them that they thought 562 00:30:33.119 --> 00:30:38.039 it worthy enough to you know, to do those despicable 563 00:30:38.119 --> 00:30:41.200 things or try those despicable things. I don't know if 564 00:30:42.039 --> 00:30:45.839 they actually succeeded. 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I was just thinking 589 00:32:50.319 --> 00:32:51.839 as you were talking the idea of you know, or 590 00:32:51.920 --> 00:32:54.519 the concept of ideas being viral, and it's what we 591 00:32:54.680 --> 00:32:58.440 refer to as you know, mimetics, that these almost like genetics, 592 00:32:58.480 --> 00:33:02.720 these ideas, good ideas, successful ideas, powerful ideas, very bad ideas, 593 00:33:02.759 --> 00:33:06.079 that they can all transmit from one person to the next. 594 00:33:06.559 --> 00:33:09.920 And it's a very strange, like unique phenomenon to humans. 595 00:33:10.079 --> 00:33:12.319 I think. I don't think any prime matory of dolphins 596 00:33:12.400 --> 00:33:15.480 or whatever have any concept of of mimetics like we do, 597 00:33:15.640 --> 00:33:17.799 or ideas like we do. You know, they can't really 598 00:33:17.880 --> 00:33:24.119 communicate an idea that then inhabits the brain of another person. 599 00:33:24.400 --> 00:33:27.000 That's it's all. It's like one of the what's the 600 00:33:27.200 --> 00:33:29.440 the good and the bad and the ugly of the 601 00:33:29.519 --> 00:33:32.680 capacity for communication is I can take an idea from 602 00:33:32.720 --> 00:33:36.319 my head and make vibrations with my throat that hit 603 00:33:36.359 --> 00:33:38.400 your ear, and now the idea is in your head. 604 00:33:38.480 --> 00:33:40.920 That's Joe Rogan I think said, we're like psychic monkeys, 605 00:33:40.920 --> 00:33:43.480 so they can put our ideas into other monkeys' heads, 606 00:33:43.640 --> 00:33:46.519 you know, using using these using the magic of communication, 607 00:33:46.640 --> 00:33:48.759 which which it is really I was going somewhere with that, 608 00:33:48.839 --> 00:33:51.319 but but yeah, so for good or real ideas that 609 00:33:51.519 --> 00:33:54.640 are a field that really sees someone's imagination and they 610 00:33:54.799 --> 00:33:56.960 just invest a lot of time and energy and thinking 611 00:33:57.000 --> 00:33:58.720 about it. That's That's what if I said in the 612 00:33:58.759 --> 00:34:00.200 past of saying you know, what you do is what 613 00:34:00.319 --> 00:34:02.599 you worship is one way I put it. Uh And 614 00:34:02.799 --> 00:34:05.000 and some people think, no, what you worship is what 615 00:34:05.039 --> 00:34:07.200 you do. I'm like, yes, it is both. You know, 616 00:34:07.440 --> 00:34:09.719 what you do demonstrates what you worship, and what you 617 00:34:09.800 --> 00:34:12.960 worship influences what you do. It's one of my cats 618 00:34:13.079 --> 00:34:15.800 is waking up and scratching in a cardboard box and 619 00:34:15.800 --> 00:34:16.440 week that's loud. 620 00:34:16.800 --> 00:34:19.239 Wow, that was a cardboard box. Okay, do you heard 621 00:34:19.280 --> 00:34:23.079 like clock in the background either, Well I heard something, Yeah, yeah, 622 00:34:23.239 --> 00:34:24.840 that's some stud of freaking cardboard. 623 00:34:25.440 --> 00:34:28.079 Hi. Yeah it is. It's a thick one of the 624 00:34:28.159 --> 00:34:32.159 Amazon delivery boxes or something. And I just put a 625 00:34:32.199 --> 00:34:35.639 blanket in it, you know. I I have little spots 626 00:34:35.639 --> 00:34:37.440 for the cats to rest all over the place, Like 627 00:34:37.480 --> 00:34:39.679 you can see u right right above above my head. 628 00:34:39.679 --> 00:34:42.000 Here's a little cat tree. They use that sometimes. And 629 00:34:42.079 --> 00:34:43.960 actually there's a where is it. Right here in the 630 00:34:44.000 --> 00:34:47.320 background on the is a kind of a little, you know, 631 00:34:47.480 --> 00:34:51.519 plastic basket where I've got folded up swim trunks that 632 00:34:51.559 --> 00:34:54.280 i wear during the summertime it's hot, and so ninety 633 00:34:54.280 --> 00:34:55.960 percent of the time I'm just wearing swim trunks and 634 00:34:56.199 --> 00:34:58.760 trying not to sweat my ass off. Well, that's that's 635 00:34:58.760 --> 00:35:00.400 another place the cats love to direct. And then this 636 00:35:00.519 --> 00:35:03.440 one's a tall cabinet back here, and up on top 637 00:35:03.639 --> 00:35:06.800 is where the probably one of the highest points in 638 00:35:07.000 --> 00:35:09.079 here that they could get up high and look down. 639 00:35:09.440 --> 00:35:11.519 And part of me wants to put a kind of 640 00:35:11.760 --> 00:35:14.920 kind of like a running board all the way around 641 00:35:14.960 --> 00:35:17.400 the whole top, you know, about a foot down from 642 00:35:17.440 --> 00:35:19.559 the ceiling, so the cats can run around the entire 643 00:35:19.639 --> 00:35:21.199 room if they want to. But that's a whole lot 644 00:35:21.239 --> 00:35:23.360 of work, and I just haven't got around to distracting 645 00:35:23.800 --> 00:35:26.719 nothing to do with what we're talking about cats. And 646 00:35:26.800 --> 00:35:27.719 then this guy is sleeping. 647 00:35:28.719 --> 00:35:32.320 Yeah, oh so darling, but he passed out, like, you know, 648 00:35:32.400 --> 00:35:35.639 speaking of cats, speaking of pets, Like I'm I I 649 00:35:35.679 --> 00:35:40.400 can turn this into a segway. Uh No, it's all 650 00:35:41.119 --> 00:35:47.079 such a good podcaster. Uh But for like I've seen 651 00:35:47.119 --> 00:35:51.480 that example with with dogs, but I think it's just 652 00:35:51.639 --> 00:35:55.239 pets in in general. Cats maybe a little bit of 653 00:35:55.280 --> 00:35:57.559 a different story, but at the very least for dogs. 654 00:35:58.360 --> 00:36:03.760 You know, we are gods. We are almost these immortal 655 00:36:04.079 --> 00:36:07.559 beings like you know the dolves for that manner, Like 656 00:36:07.719 --> 00:36:11.960 we live five times as long as they do. You know, 657 00:36:12.199 --> 00:36:17.400 we have a living space that you know, is warm, 658 00:36:17.639 --> 00:36:21.599 is nice, is cozy without any effort, like we don't 659 00:36:21.679 --> 00:36:25.480 have to go running around or you know, like find 660 00:36:25.599 --> 00:36:28.920 someplace that we can can hide and warm ourselves up, 661 00:36:29.000 --> 00:36:34.360 and it's like fully enclosed and heated and ventilated and whatever. 662 00:36:35.360 --> 00:36:39.199 Like even the average lifespan for your average sized dog 663 00:36:39.480 --> 00:36:40.480 is what twenty. 664 00:36:42.719 --> 00:36:44.559 Oh yeah, I mean anywhere from you know ten yeah, 665 00:36:44.639 --> 00:36:45.679 ten to twenty twenty five. 666 00:36:45.800 --> 00:36:49.000 Yeah, so about the same as as cats. And the 667 00:36:49.239 --> 00:36:53.920 average lifespan for us mortal humans is like eighty so yeah, 668 00:36:54.079 --> 00:36:57.000 like we live a good four times longer. 669 00:36:57.679 --> 00:36:59.880 Like the comparison too, is you know that, you know, 670 00:37:00.639 --> 00:37:03.000 humans to animals is kind of like elves to humans. 671 00:37:03.400 --> 00:37:05.559 They and if you look at that Tolkien, I mean 672 00:37:05.599 --> 00:37:07.519 they kind of look at us as like these short lived, 673 00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:11.199 not very wise, very impulsive creatures that need you know, 674 00:37:11.360 --> 00:37:13.559 need their wisdom and guidance. Yes, some of us are 675 00:37:13.559 --> 00:37:16.000 more like dwarfs and others are more like else you know, 676 00:37:16.119 --> 00:37:18.599 it's true. It's true. I've always identified with George. Speaking 677 00:37:18.599 --> 00:37:21.880 of video games too, I haven't played an MMO of 678 00:37:21.960 --> 00:37:23.679 that's well, I kind of did. I played Destiny too 679 00:37:23.719 --> 00:37:25.559 for a couple of years, but I was really into 680 00:37:25.599 --> 00:37:27.239 a request back in the day. I played from ninety 681 00:37:27.320 --> 00:37:29.599 nine to two thousand and four. I played a dwarfing 682 00:37:29.719 --> 00:37:33.000 cleric of Brell, so you know, I would run around 683 00:37:33.079 --> 00:37:36.519 shouting praise Brell and hammers high and all that a 684 00:37:36.760 --> 00:37:37.679 good stuff. It was fun. 685 00:37:37.760 --> 00:37:37.880 I was. 686 00:37:38.079 --> 00:37:39.800 I was on a PvP server, but I did the 687 00:37:39.880 --> 00:37:41.800 role play thing and I typed in a in a 688 00:37:41.920 --> 00:37:46.840 faux you know, Cockney Scottish type of r medi iritish 689 00:37:47.039 --> 00:37:49.360 dwarven voice that was pretty silly. I had to give 690 00:37:49.360 --> 00:37:50.920 that up because I was playing like twelve hours a day, 691 00:37:50.920 --> 00:37:52.800 and you can't do get to be you know, I 692 00:37:52.840 --> 00:37:54.760 didn't get a lot done during that time period. You guys, 693 00:37:55.000 --> 00:37:56.239 I was going to school too, so I was like, 694 00:37:56.320 --> 00:37:57.960 you know, that was most of it as well as 695 00:37:57.960 --> 00:38:01.440 like this was my hobby between classes and homework. 696 00:38:01.559 --> 00:38:05.559 So yeah, anyway. No, but I understand, like you get 697 00:38:05.639 --> 00:38:07.880 lost in those, in those kind of games. I have 698 00:38:08.000 --> 00:38:11.559 a tendency as well. But like, yeah, so for you know, 699 00:38:11.800 --> 00:38:17.360 for paths, for our paths, you know, we are almost goths. 700 00:38:17.519 --> 00:38:21.679 We are these you know, like greater beings. You know, 701 00:38:21.920 --> 00:38:25.559 we don't have to hunt. We can just open something 702 00:38:25.679 --> 00:38:29.519 up with light insight and it's cold insight and there's 703 00:38:29.679 --> 00:38:30.719 food there. Yeah. 704 00:38:31.000 --> 00:38:33.639 How with the magic of operating the handle on a door. 705 00:38:33.760 --> 00:38:35.400 They have no concept of a handle and how it 706 00:38:35.559 --> 00:38:38.760 latches that we can just take this wall and make 707 00:38:38.800 --> 00:38:41.199 a hole in it and we can go out through 708 00:38:41.239 --> 00:38:43.760 the hole. How did you do that? That's amazing? 709 00:38:44.159 --> 00:38:47.440 No, exactly, So you know, those for you know, the 710 00:38:47.639 --> 00:38:52.960 average animal brain, those are almost like divine powers for sure. 711 00:38:54.280 --> 00:39:01.159 So like divinity, I guess it is very subjective in 712 00:39:01.280 --> 00:39:04.880 a way, you know, or yeah, yeah, some I don't know. 713 00:39:05.079 --> 00:39:06.719 It depends, I guess on a lot a lot on 714 00:39:06.920 --> 00:39:10.719 how you conceptualize these things, because I think most maybe 715 00:39:10.800 --> 00:39:13.840 say noormies or folks who are who are actively religious, 716 00:39:13.880 --> 00:39:16.480 you know, to say Christians specifically, and they're like, no, 717 00:39:16.639 --> 00:39:20.519 this is a real entity, a real being, God, God exists, 718 00:39:20.599 --> 00:39:22.679 and maybe it's not a man in a robe, but 719 00:39:22.760 --> 00:39:26.840 that's a nice conceptualization that makes it more relatable to us. 720 00:39:27.320 --> 00:39:31.840 But whatever it is, it literally physically there, and it 721 00:39:32.119 --> 00:39:35.239 has taken action in the past, and it does want 722 00:39:35.440 --> 00:39:39.800 specific things, so you know, it's it's one of those 723 00:39:39.840 --> 00:39:42.840 things where like, if you're a true believer, then you're not, 724 00:39:44.079 --> 00:39:46.000 then you don't think it's fake at all. But then 725 00:39:46.039 --> 00:39:48.000 there's there's there's degrees of that as well, where it's 726 00:39:48.039 --> 00:39:50.239 kind of like maybe and you can tell me whether 727 00:39:50.320 --> 00:39:52.920 I'm in the middle or you're You're closer towards the 728 00:39:52.960 --> 00:39:54.920 middle on that one. But for me, I'm like, I 729 00:39:56.920 --> 00:39:59.280 what would I say? I think there is I wrote 730 00:39:59.400 --> 00:40:01.400 a poem long time ago. I'm like, I'm always trying 731 00:40:01.440 --> 00:40:04.800 to clarify my thoughts and it's kind of a poem 732 00:40:04.840 --> 00:40:07.599 but kind of a response to to to the idea 733 00:40:07.639 --> 00:40:10.239 of belief, and it was, you know, it's not that 734 00:40:10.360 --> 00:40:13.719 I don't believe a God exists. It's that I don't 735 00:40:13.760 --> 00:40:16.440 believe all the vain and greedy people who tell me 736 00:40:16.920 --> 00:40:19.000 they know what God is and what he wants from me. 737 00:40:20.000 --> 00:40:22.360 That's the biggest problem, because I've got to get these 738 00:40:22.440 --> 00:40:25.360 ideas from somewhere I'm going to trust someone. And there 739 00:40:25.480 --> 00:40:27.960 are a lot of vain people who grandiose. They just 740 00:40:28.119 --> 00:40:30.800 they think they're right, whether they are or not. It's 741 00:40:30.880 --> 00:40:33.320 the self vanity. And then there's the greedy people who 742 00:40:33.360 --> 00:40:34.840 there are they're drifting. They just tell you what you 743 00:40:34.840 --> 00:40:35.960 want to hear because they want your money. 744 00:40:36.719 --> 00:40:38.800 Yeah, they they want that tithing, you know. 745 00:40:39.119 --> 00:40:42.239 Yeah, that was my conundrum way back in the day. 746 00:40:42.280 --> 00:40:44.559 And I don't know that I've resolved it exactly. I 747 00:40:44.559 --> 00:40:47.360 think I have a better idea of what I think 748 00:40:47.400 --> 00:40:49.320 God is, and I think it is there, and I 749 00:40:49.360 --> 00:40:54.519 think it is something. What exactly that something is we 750 00:40:54.679 --> 00:40:56.400 may never know. So I'm comfortable with that. 751 00:40:57.800 --> 00:40:57.920 You know. 752 00:40:58.000 --> 00:41:00.159 They say it's the ineffable, it's something which can not 753 00:41:00.239 --> 00:41:03.400 be described. The Buddhists say that about the doubt it is. 754 00:41:03.639 --> 00:41:06.039 It's just the way it is, the way things are, 755 00:41:06.199 --> 00:41:09.920 and you either flow in harmony or you try and 756 00:41:10.000 --> 00:41:12.360 swim upstream. But man, you're gonna get tired and the 757 00:41:12.360 --> 00:41:14.280 stream is going to carry you anyway. So yeah, a 758 00:41:14.320 --> 00:41:15.800 lot of my a lot of my you see, is 759 00:41:16.199 --> 00:41:18.280 talking about, you know, trying to harmonize with with with 760 00:41:18.480 --> 00:41:20.639 the natural way things work and then you get the 761 00:41:20.679 --> 00:41:23.519 idiots out there, well, cancer is natural. I'm like, sure, 762 00:41:23.760 --> 00:41:26.639 you got me. That's yeah, that's definitely what I'm talking about. 763 00:41:26.679 --> 00:41:28.840 You should just go with cancer because it's natural. It's 764 00:41:28.880 --> 00:41:31.800 not the naturalistic fallacy. It's you know, it's like it's 765 00:41:31.880 --> 00:41:33.920 like gravity, I mean, grat gravity just is. You can 766 00:41:33.960 --> 00:41:35.800 be angry about it, and you can try to ignore it, 767 00:41:35.840 --> 00:41:37.199 but you're still going to fall over if you lose 768 00:41:37.239 --> 00:41:39.039 your balance, and you still need a whole lot of 769 00:41:39.079 --> 00:41:41.159 thrust to get a rocket endo outer space. It's just 770 00:41:41.280 --> 00:41:43.599 the way, and you just got to, you know, first 771 00:41:43.840 --> 00:41:46.280 recognize it for what it is, see it accurately, and 772 00:41:46.320 --> 00:41:48.000 then decide what you want to do about it, you know. 773 00:41:48.239 --> 00:41:50.000 And that's what a lot of these, you know, say, 774 00:41:50.039 --> 00:41:53.719 instruction books are is like, Okay, here's what the world is, 775 00:41:53.960 --> 00:41:57.000 here's how it works, and here's what you should do 776 00:41:57.440 --> 00:41:59.199 about it. And that I think that's kind of what 777 00:41:59.360 --> 00:42:02.920 characterizes religion. Am I missing? You're just kind of making 778 00:42:02.920 --> 00:42:03.559 this up on the fly. 779 00:42:03.679 --> 00:42:07.639 Your your It sounds and sounds like like me ten 780 00:42:07.760 --> 00:42:10.840 years ago, you know, like I I believe there is 781 00:42:10.920 --> 00:42:13.079 something I just don't know what it is. And then 782 00:42:13.159 --> 00:42:16.320 I you know, I stumbled upon the uh, the pagan path, 783 00:42:16.360 --> 00:42:18.039 and I'm like, oh, well this is it. 784 00:42:19.639 --> 00:42:21.320 Yeah, there you go. If those things speak to you 785 00:42:21.400 --> 00:42:23.559 and give you meaning and if you find you're able 786 00:42:23.599 --> 00:42:26.000 to better and a lot of the proof is in 787 00:42:26.039 --> 00:42:28.000 the pudding. So they say, like the Bible is basic 788 00:42:28.079 --> 00:42:31.360 instructions before leaving Earth. It's okay, that's clever, that's just cute, 789 00:42:31.639 --> 00:42:34.079 But it is. Yeah, that's what it's. Whether it is 790 00:42:34.199 --> 00:42:35.599 or is, and that's what it's meant to be. This 791 00:42:35.800 --> 00:42:39.679 these stories are meant to be informative, instructive, you know, 792 00:42:39.800 --> 00:42:42.800 and and all the all of the above. So I 793 00:42:42.880 --> 00:42:43.559 was going somewhere with that. 794 00:42:43.599 --> 00:42:45.280 I forgot every Yeah, no, I mean it's the same 795 00:42:45.360 --> 00:42:47.320 thing with the poetic at Us, same thing with the 796 00:42:47.360 --> 00:42:51.039 Purse at Us, same thing with the with the Havamal, 797 00:42:51.199 --> 00:42:53.719 same thing with you know, all the all the difference. 798 00:42:53.920 --> 00:42:58.599 Stunzas like they're not religious texts. Like every time I 799 00:42:58.679 --> 00:43:01.360 speak to her, Christians like, so like, what are your 800 00:43:01.440 --> 00:43:06.320 religious texts? Well, we don't have any. Okay, it does 801 00:43:06.440 --> 00:43:10.920 not compute mm hmm. But you know, there's stories about 802 00:43:10.920 --> 00:43:14.639 our gods, there are stories about our ancestors, and yeah, 803 00:43:14.760 --> 00:43:18.320 we're you know, we are supposed to to learn from 804 00:43:18.400 --> 00:43:22.159 those from those stories. Otherwise they wouldn't have been been 805 00:43:22.199 --> 00:43:26.760 written down, Otherwise they wouldn't have been regarded as so important. 806 00:43:27.280 --> 00:43:31.880 But yeah, you know, they're they're I mean, they're not 807 00:43:32.000 --> 00:43:35.480 necessarily instructions, but they're they're guidelines. Is like, if you 808 00:43:35.559 --> 00:43:38.039 want to honor the gods, if you want to be 809 00:43:38.199 --> 00:43:43.000 a honorable man, honorable woman, according to you know, to 810 00:43:43.239 --> 00:43:48.519 the gods, this is what you should be doing. But 811 00:43:48.679 --> 00:43:53.239 it's it's it's still kind of leaving the the choice 812 00:43:53.360 --> 00:43:55.840 up to you. Like, of course it's preferable if if 813 00:43:55.960 --> 00:43:59.440 you do, but if you don't, hey, you know, that's 814 00:43:59.559 --> 00:44:02.239 that's a to you and the consequences are you know, 815 00:44:02.480 --> 00:44:03.599 for yourself as well. 816 00:44:03.880 --> 00:44:05.639 That that reminds me what I'm going to say. The 817 00:44:05.880 --> 00:44:07.960 key phrase being a proof is in the pudding type 818 00:44:07.960 --> 00:44:09.920 of thing. Is like, if a given story, your set 819 00:44:09.960 --> 00:44:13.840 of stories, or let's say one story describes a true thing, 820 00:44:14.079 --> 00:44:18.440 and you can use that information to successfully navigate a 821 00:44:18.480 --> 00:44:21.119 similar situation in your own life and come out of 822 00:44:21.159 --> 00:44:23.800 it with the best possible outcome, even if that outcome 823 00:44:23.920 --> 00:44:27.000 is tragic because it can't be avoided. Maybe you minimize 824 00:44:27.000 --> 00:44:29.079 the damage that kind of thing, or you avoid a 825 00:44:29.159 --> 00:44:31.519 problem because you saw it coming. And that's you know, 826 00:44:31.880 --> 00:44:33.960 I'm probably most familiarly familiar, as I say, with the 827 00:44:34.000 --> 00:44:37.440 Greeks and Greek myths and Christian stuff. So you take 828 00:44:37.480 --> 00:44:39.559 the idea of something like Noah in the flood, and 829 00:44:39.639 --> 00:44:42.559 it's like, Okay, was there ever a man, one man 830 00:44:42.920 --> 00:44:46.039 named Noah and he walked with God and God told 831 00:44:46.159 --> 00:44:48.400 him to build a boat, and then a flood came? 832 00:44:48.519 --> 00:44:50.599 I fuck if I know. I mean, I think probably 833 00:44:50.760 --> 00:44:54.440 the younger, driest impact theory about you know, twelve thousand 834 00:44:54.519 --> 00:44:57.320 years ago destroyed hit somewhere I think in the Atlantic 835 00:44:57.400 --> 00:45:01.360 and then swamped Atlantis, swamp the civilization that was in 836 00:45:01.400 --> 00:45:03.679 the Mediterranean that at the time, which we had then 837 00:45:03.920 --> 00:45:08.440 leftover vestiges of that made it into Egyptian myth, Greek myth, 838 00:45:08.679 --> 00:45:13.199 and Biblical lore. Of course, long story short. So, but 839 00:45:13.639 --> 00:45:16.320 is it true that you are a man going through 840 00:45:16.360 --> 00:45:18.960 life who's trying to say, walk with God and if 841 00:45:18.960 --> 00:45:20.760 they describe God as the Way, the Truth and the 842 00:45:20.800 --> 00:45:22.320 life and all that kind of stuff. So if you're 843 00:45:22.360 --> 00:45:25.199 trying to follow the doo, live in harmony with the 844 00:45:25.239 --> 00:45:29.639 world around you, paying attention to your footsteps as you're 845 00:45:29.679 --> 00:45:33.440 moving forward and what's likely coming on the horizon. You're 846 00:45:33.480 --> 00:45:36.119 in the best possible position to say, I see a 847 00:45:36.280 --> 00:45:39.519 problem is about to confront me. I can get ready 848 00:45:39.599 --> 00:45:43.000 for it before it gets here. That preparedness will help 849 00:45:43.039 --> 00:45:45.840 me survive better. And not only that, it'll help my 850 00:45:46.079 --> 00:45:48.599 friends and family survive with me, because I'm in a 851 00:45:48.639 --> 00:45:52.800 better position to help them. So is it real, whether 852 00:45:52.920 --> 00:45:54.880 or not it ever happened? I think yes. I think 853 00:45:54.920 --> 00:45:58.400 stories are valuable to the degree that they describe a 854 00:45:58.480 --> 00:46:02.079 true phenomenon that gives you useful information for the best 855 00:46:02.119 --> 00:46:04.159 possible outcome, so that the proof isn't the pudding type 856 00:46:04.159 --> 00:46:07.719 of thing. So if your stories that you find meaningful 857 00:46:08.239 --> 00:46:11.280 give you insights into human nature and human struggles and 858 00:46:11.360 --> 00:46:14.559 how to overcome particular obstacles, how to how to walk 859 00:46:14.760 --> 00:46:16.559 in the world in a way that honors the gods 860 00:46:16.679 --> 00:46:19.639 so that they smile upon you and smooth the way 861 00:46:19.760 --> 00:46:22.519 forward for you, I think it's very real. I think 862 00:46:22.559 --> 00:46:25.119 even you know, even fake gods, if they serve that purpose, 863 00:46:25.719 --> 00:46:28.440 it's as real as anything, which which is an interesting 864 00:46:28.480 --> 00:46:30.880 thing that's all about how you describe real and fake. 865 00:46:31.079 --> 00:46:35.360 You know, what's is something that never happened, nonetheless still real. 866 00:46:35.880 --> 00:46:37.920 I think so, which I mean? I don't know how 867 00:46:37.920 --> 00:46:39.960 to reconcile these live with a lot of contradictions in 868 00:46:40.039 --> 00:46:41.360 my head that just I don't think can. 869 00:46:41.559 --> 00:46:42.800 Necessarily be resolved. 870 00:46:43.239 --> 00:46:45.559 Which one is it? Yes, it is both. 871 00:46:45.840 --> 00:46:48.760 I want to say a big thank you to the 872 00:46:48.840 --> 00:46:56.599 sponsor of today's episodes. Bare Knuckles, the best leather gloves 873 00:46:56.960 --> 00:47:02.960 ever made. 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This 898 00:48:51.559 --> 00:48:53.280 is just one of those things. Yeah, no, it doesn't 899 00:48:53.280 --> 00:48:55.239 make sense. Yes, that's the way it is. Deal with it. 900 00:48:56.000 --> 00:48:59.320 Yeah, no, absolutely, And I think you're you know, you're 901 00:48:59.320 --> 00:49:02.039 definitely making about the point, like it doesn't matter whether 902 00:49:02.239 --> 00:49:06.800 you know the stories are literal, you know, literal, allegorical, metaphorical, 903 00:49:07.079 --> 00:49:11.239 it doesn't matter. Like it's about the teachings, you know, 904 00:49:11.400 --> 00:49:14.000 it's about like what do you do with those stories? 905 00:49:14.079 --> 00:49:17.480 What do you do you know, with the with the 906 00:49:17.639 --> 00:49:20.800 characters and the you know, the shit that they go through. 907 00:49:20.880 --> 00:49:22.480 What lessons are you taking out of them? 908 00:49:22.559 --> 00:49:24.639 And we can get that from pure fantasy novels like 909 00:49:24.920 --> 00:49:26.480 Lord of the Rings. I mean, no one has to 910 00:49:26.519 --> 00:49:30.119 believe Gandalf and Frodo ever went on a on an adventure, 911 00:49:30.280 --> 00:49:32.559 but they can read the story and see things that 912 00:49:32.920 --> 00:49:35.239 not just entertain but in form and kind of give 913 00:49:35.280 --> 00:49:37.679 a perspective on more than anything, gives us people to 914 00:49:37.960 --> 00:49:40.000 aspire to emulate in that way of like, you know, 915 00:49:40.039 --> 00:49:42.400 I want to be more like this guy because he 916 00:49:42.480 --> 00:49:45.159 did things that I thought, I mean, what why? And 917 00:49:45.280 --> 00:49:48.079 it's universal I think ninety I'd say like ninety eight 918 00:49:48.159 --> 00:49:51.440 ninety nine percent of people at least get a little 919 00:49:51.639 --> 00:49:55.159 reclemped at that scene at the end where Eric Garn 920 00:49:55.360 --> 00:49:57.519 takes a knee and says, no, my friends, no one 921 00:49:57.639 --> 00:49:58.119 bows to you. 922 00:49:59.000 --> 00:49:59.199 Ah. 923 00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:03.679 I know you're feeling it with I got the chills. 924 00:50:04.360 --> 00:50:06.639 That's well, there's another scene like that this I get 925 00:50:06.679 --> 00:50:09.760 the same feeling from you. Remember the Toby Maguire Spider Man. 926 00:50:09.840 --> 00:50:12.039 I think it was part two. Doctor Octopus was up 927 00:50:12.039 --> 00:50:15.239 part one I don't remember, but he was saving the 928 00:50:15.320 --> 00:50:18.400 train full of people and he exhausted himself and he 929 00:50:18.679 --> 00:50:20.719 passed out and was about to fall, and they caught it, 930 00:50:21.199 --> 00:50:22.880 and they brought him in and they passed him, hand 931 00:50:22.920 --> 00:50:25.920 over him and get a kid his age whoa, And 932 00:50:25.960 --> 00:50:28.559 I'm like, I'm getting Oliver clamped against that heroic moment, 933 00:50:28.800 --> 00:50:33.239 that thing where you've done something amazing and people truly 934 00:50:33.360 --> 00:50:35.960 appreciate it, they truly get it, and they give you 935 00:50:36.039 --> 00:50:38.760 the proper respect for that thing. And then so what 936 00:50:39.000 --> 00:50:41.199 should we draw lesson should we be? Well, the lesson 937 00:50:41.199 --> 00:50:42.800 I draw from this, I want to do things that 938 00:50:43.039 --> 00:50:45.880 make the people around me feel like that towards me, 939 00:50:46.440 --> 00:50:49.679 you know. And it's hard to save the world. The 940 00:50:49.719 --> 00:50:52.599 world is seven billion people, and it's millions of miles around, 941 00:50:52.679 --> 00:50:55.000 or however, thousands of miles around I don't even know, 942 00:50:55.119 --> 00:50:57.000 millions of miles to the sun, thousands of miles around 943 00:50:57.079 --> 00:50:59.920 on the earth a lot in circumference, I think is 944 00:51:00.159 --> 00:51:03.880 I've forgotten, but it's ten thousands of miles something like that. Anyway, 945 00:51:05.920 --> 00:51:07.840 So you've got to then, Okay, well, how can I 946 00:51:07.920 --> 00:51:09.719 do this in a realistic and practical way, Well, just 947 00:51:09.760 --> 00:51:12.320 the people in my life. And number one, I take 948 00:51:12.360 --> 00:51:14.440 care of meat as best I can so that I'm 949 00:51:14.480 --> 00:51:16.519 in good shape to take care of my wife and 950 00:51:16.679 --> 00:51:20.159 vice versa. But then we try to construct our life 951 00:51:20.159 --> 00:51:22.440 in a way that makes us able to help others, 952 00:51:22.800 --> 00:51:24.639 and you get this ripple in the pond. I mean 953 00:51:24.800 --> 00:51:27.559 so many fantastic analogies. You know, be the ripple in 954 00:51:27.599 --> 00:51:31.239 the pond so that your actions spread out and positively 955 00:51:31.320 --> 00:51:33.440 impact other people. The funny thing about that is it's 956 00:51:33.480 --> 00:51:35.320 one of those truthings like, you are the ripple in 957 00:51:35.360 --> 00:51:38.639 the pond either way, So make sure your actions are 958 00:51:38.719 --> 00:51:40.920 not bad because that is going to ripple also, so 959 00:51:41.719 --> 00:51:46.000 it might be interesting to your eyes are like, what 960 00:51:46.119 --> 00:51:47.760 was the question I had in my head a moment ago? 961 00:51:47.800 --> 00:51:49.920 It's like, what makes what makes a person or what 962 00:51:50.159 --> 00:51:52.920 kind of person needs a story to be true in 963 00:51:53.079 --> 00:51:56.119 order to feel like it's real? And the thought that 964 00:51:56.159 --> 00:51:57.639 occurred to me is like, well, we don't want to 965 00:51:57.760 --> 00:51:59.840 invest our belief in things we know to be false. 966 00:52:00.119 --> 00:52:02.239 We have kind of a human inclination against it. Well, 967 00:52:02.239 --> 00:52:04.000 if it's not true, why would I believe it? So 968 00:52:04.079 --> 00:52:05.760 we kind of want to believe that the things we 969 00:52:05.880 --> 00:52:10.000 believe are true, that they actually did happen. And maybe 970 00:52:10.079 --> 00:52:12.920 it's a different kind of individual like myself or I 971 00:52:13.000 --> 00:52:16.039 don't know, who doesn't need things to be real in 972 00:52:16.199 --> 00:52:18.719 order to be true. Or maybe most people have never 973 00:52:19.440 --> 00:52:22.280 come across that idea before. I think Jordan Peterson has 974 00:52:22.280 --> 00:52:27.599 been popularizing that idea lately, is you know, I think 975 00:52:27.639 --> 00:52:29.280 he would agree with me, or he would also say, 976 00:52:29.679 --> 00:52:31.840 it doesn't matter whether it ever happened, it's about the 977 00:52:31.920 --> 00:52:34.400 story itself. It's about the truth of the story. Yeah, 978 00:52:35.280 --> 00:52:36.760 And I think that's in a way, that's kind of 979 00:52:36.800 --> 00:52:39.880 what we do when we're giving analogies by way of 980 00:52:39.960 --> 00:52:46.000 example to prove some argumentative point. We're making it up. 981 00:52:46.360 --> 00:52:49.239 We're saying, what if this happened, you see the scenario 982 00:52:49.360 --> 00:52:51.360 and how it turned out. Well, that's what I'm talking about. 983 00:52:51.480 --> 00:52:54.679 People have and maybe there's a certain type of person 984 00:52:54.760 --> 00:52:57.840 that really can't grasp argument by analogy either, and they'd 985 00:52:57.880 --> 00:53:01.079 be a very concrete type of individuals, like, but that 986 00:53:01.159 --> 00:53:03.840 didn't happen, Like yeah, it's just a what if it's 987 00:53:03.880 --> 00:53:06.519 just a furg Well then if what if what nothing happened? 988 00:53:06.559 --> 00:53:09.400 That's not don't do that. I've actually come across people 989 00:53:09.440 --> 00:53:12.039 like that that are just they kind of Okay, I 990 00:53:12.159 --> 00:53:13.480 have to take a different attack if I want to 991 00:53:13.480 --> 00:53:15.679 communicate with this. It's not it's not all the time, 992 00:53:15.719 --> 00:53:17.440 and I don't do a lot of online arguing anywhere 993 00:53:17.480 --> 00:53:18.199 outside of Twitter. 994 00:53:18.360 --> 00:53:20.400 There's not enough to be argued on Twitter. 995 00:53:21.039 --> 00:53:23.119 Right. You can find an argument about anything if you're 996 00:53:23.119 --> 00:53:25.039 looking for it. It keywords, some stuff. 997 00:53:25.239 --> 00:53:27.800 That's why I stay away from the platform as much 998 00:53:27.800 --> 00:53:28.360 as possible. 999 00:53:28.400 --> 00:53:31.000 Really, yeah, I argue less with certain people. Like if 1000 00:53:31.039 --> 00:53:33.159 I make a point and someone comes back with an 1001 00:53:33.199 --> 00:53:37.199 irrelevant response that's kind of insulting. I just respond with 1002 00:53:37.320 --> 00:53:41.320 the jiff that says, understandable, have a great day, They're 1003 00:53:41.400 --> 00:53:43.440 not gonna whatever. That's so annoying. Thank you. 1004 00:53:43.480 --> 00:53:46.679 When people do that, that's so fucking bad. 1005 00:53:46.840 --> 00:53:47.519 I mean, I'm I. 1006 00:53:48.119 --> 00:53:52.360 I am a millennial, but I I at certain times 1007 00:53:52.480 --> 00:53:54.519 just like very much like to give them just the 1008 00:53:55.039 --> 00:53:56.000 boomer thumbs up. 1009 00:53:56.519 --> 00:53:59.519 There you go, the kid at the nineties computer. 1010 00:54:00.280 --> 00:54:02.519 Or yeah, that's that's even better. 1011 00:54:02.679 --> 00:54:05.800 Just oh yeah, one of one of my favorites. Well, well, 1012 00:54:05.840 --> 00:54:08.119 that that expression and that that thumbs up and makes 1013 00:54:08.159 --> 00:54:09.679 me think of I think his name's Chao Yun Fat 1014 00:54:09.800 --> 00:54:14.079 and he's playing in some Chinese eight nineteen eighties police 1015 00:54:14.159 --> 00:54:16.519 drama and he's in a wheelie chair and he pops 1016 00:54:16.519 --> 00:54:18.639 around a corner. He's chewing on some food. He's like 1017 00:54:20.760 --> 00:54:23.880 like whatever, whatever, dude, you do you cool story? 1018 00:54:23.960 --> 00:54:24.559 Bro? Yeah? 1019 00:54:25.159 --> 00:54:27.920 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like there's just I think I've learned 1020 00:54:28.039 --> 00:54:31.400 lately who is or is not worth arguing with sometimes? 1021 00:54:32.199 --> 00:54:34.440 You know, it used to be I would argue with 1022 00:54:34.480 --> 00:54:37.599 anybody about anything because I was searching. And then once 1023 00:54:37.679 --> 00:54:41.360 I started finding answers, then I stopped arguing with people 1024 00:54:41.440 --> 00:54:44.719 about the things that I think I've got to handle on. 1025 00:54:45.239 --> 00:54:47.000 And now I just say certain things that I think 1026 00:54:47.159 --> 00:54:52.039 are true and people agree or disagree, you know. So 1027 00:54:52.159 --> 00:54:55.360 sometimes I'm just thinking out loud, and sometimes I'm responding 1028 00:54:55.400 --> 00:54:57.920 to try and add perspective, and and it's and then 1029 00:54:57.960 --> 00:55:00.960 I try to was a divorce my sell from the results. 1030 00:55:01.280 --> 00:55:03.480 It's like I have done everything I can by saying this. 1031 00:55:03.760 --> 00:55:06.039 You agree, you don't. You get it, you don't. It's 1032 00:55:06.119 --> 00:55:08.559 nothing I can do about that. But I felt like 1033 00:55:08.639 --> 00:55:10.559 it needed to be said, which is a great thing too. 1034 00:55:10.599 --> 00:55:14.159 There's a phrase that I it was a poem or 1035 00:55:14.199 --> 00:55:18.760 something someone came up with years ago. It's like, before interacting, engaging, 1036 00:55:18.880 --> 00:55:23.440 or responding to a certain thing, ask yourself three questions. 1037 00:55:23.639 --> 00:55:26.559 Does this need to be said? Is this what I'm 1038 00:55:26.599 --> 00:55:28.320 about to say need to be said? Is this just 1039 00:55:28.400 --> 00:55:31.199 some reason behind it? Does this need to be said 1040 00:55:31.559 --> 00:55:35.239 by me? Maybe someone else can handle it better. Maybe 1041 00:55:35.320 --> 00:55:37.800 I wait, maybe I'm not the one to say it. Whatever, 1042 00:55:37.960 --> 00:55:40.199 And the third question is does this need to be 1043 00:55:40.360 --> 00:55:44.400 said by right now? Is this the right time and 1044 00:55:44.519 --> 00:55:47.599 place and forum for interaction to engage with this? So, 1045 00:55:47.719 --> 00:55:50.320 I mean, I think if more people ask themselves those questions. 1046 00:55:50.519 --> 00:55:53.760 And it's a wonderful, wonderfully poetic composition to it as well, 1047 00:55:54.039 --> 00:55:56.360 does this need to be said by me? Does this 1048 00:55:56.519 --> 00:55:59.159 need to be said by me? Or does this need 1049 00:55:59.199 --> 00:56:01.239 to be said buy me right now? It's like a 1050 00:56:01.320 --> 00:56:03.519 three part anyway, I fucked it up already, but you 1051 00:56:04.519 --> 00:56:06.320 I get it. I get it. It's kind of that's 1052 00:56:06.320 --> 00:56:10.039 a very viraly mimetic idea as well, and I think 1053 00:56:10.239 --> 00:56:13.559 that's why humans love our aphorisms. That's actually I've got 1054 00:56:13.679 --> 00:56:15.519 a I've got a lot of books I'm probably never 1055 00:56:15.559 --> 00:56:16.920 going to get around to writing, but one of them 1056 00:56:17.039 --> 00:56:20.920 is a Wizard's Guide to the aspirational aphorism, and the 1057 00:56:21.000 --> 00:56:23.039 purpose of it would be to take things where So 1058 00:56:23.079 --> 00:56:25.719 I would start with something simple like page one, whatever 1059 00:56:25.920 --> 00:56:28.320 is an apple a day keeps the doctor away? Now 1060 00:56:28.360 --> 00:56:30.559 wait a minute, let's look at all the ways, all 1061 00:56:30.599 --> 00:56:34.239 the things. This doesn't mean apples. Doctors are not afraid 1062 00:56:34.239 --> 00:56:36.599 of apples, like vampires are afraid of a cross. That's 1063 00:56:36.719 --> 00:56:38.880 not what it means. So we go through that, through 1064 00:56:38.920 --> 00:56:40.880 that kind of stuff, and it's like, so, wait a minute, 1065 00:56:41.039 --> 00:56:43.239 apples are healthy for you, but just eating apples keeps 1066 00:56:43.280 --> 00:56:45.280 you out of the doctor's office. No, if you ate 1067 00:56:45.320 --> 00:56:49.559 nothing but apples, you would probably develop some other nutritional deficits. 1068 00:56:49.840 --> 00:56:52.360 It's not a healthy Okay, that's not what it means it, 1069 00:56:52.800 --> 00:56:54.679 So let's reduce it to what it is is if 1070 00:56:54.719 --> 00:56:57.840 you pay attention to your health, if you eat healthy 1071 00:56:58.039 --> 00:57:01.679 number one, you're going to be less sick later on. So, 1072 00:57:01.920 --> 00:57:04.440 and there's a lot of people that they they find 1073 00:57:04.480 --> 00:57:08.280 the they challenge those aphorisms like yeah, but there's an exception, 1074 00:57:08.519 --> 00:57:10.559 like if there's always an exception, that's that's. 1075 00:57:10.480 --> 00:57:18.960 Not recommentative people, you know, the actually like those guys. 1076 00:57:18.760 --> 00:57:22.000 Who they are guy, yeah, yeah, yeah, And I'm like, 1077 00:57:22.079 --> 00:57:23.920 you're not wrong, but that's really and then you then 1078 00:57:23.960 --> 00:57:25.599 you throw up the jeff missing the point as it 1079 00:57:25.679 --> 00:57:26.400 flies overhead. 1080 00:57:26.519 --> 00:57:31.519 Yeah yeah, no exactly. I see those those people a lot. 1081 00:57:31.639 --> 00:57:36.440 You know, we had one the other day in the roundtable, 1082 00:57:36.599 --> 00:57:40.440 I'm often on with Bush Whisper Shaman, you know, like 1083 00:57:40.960 --> 00:57:44.519 he took one comma. Then it's like, so nobody's gonna 1084 00:57:44.599 --> 00:57:48.639 question this if you all think it's normal that this 1085 00:57:48.880 --> 00:57:51.960 person does that. And he's like, bro, that's that's not 1086 00:57:53.000 --> 00:57:56.679 that's not what it's about. You know, you're looking to argue. 1087 00:57:56.760 --> 00:58:00.199 You're looking to, you know, like make the life at 1088 00:58:00.320 --> 00:58:02.880 end the life round table, because we see the chat happening. 1089 00:58:03.079 --> 00:58:05.000 You're trying to make it about you. It's not about 1090 00:58:05.079 --> 00:58:07.400 you walk Hof Yeah. 1091 00:58:07.480 --> 00:58:09.960 Yeah, And I'm unfortunately, I think I've probably been that 1092 00:58:10.039 --> 00:58:12.760 guy in the past when I'm trying to when I 1093 00:58:12.840 --> 00:58:17.880 have been seeking to better understand what those aphorisms actually mean. Yeah, 1094 00:58:18.280 --> 00:58:19.920 I've been to the get go wait a minute, that 1095 00:58:19.960 --> 00:58:22.599 doesn't really cover all bases, like yeah, but it's then 1096 00:58:22.639 --> 00:58:24.320 I had to personally get to a point where I 1097 00:58:24.440 --> 00:58:27.280 was like, okay, but it's true for most cases. And 1098 00:58:27.360 --> 00:58:29.679 then also the idea of like there are some people 1099 00:58:29.719 --> 00:58:31.559 who are like, you know, I say, oh, here's the rule, 1100 00:58:31.760 --> 00:58:34.039 here's what generally happens. Here's like it covers you know, 1101 00:58:34.159 --> 00:58:36.320 ninety eight ninety nine percent of cases, and someone says 1102 00:58:36.480 --> 00:58:38.519 not all, so it's not really a rule. I'm like, 1103 00:58:39.119 --> 00:58:40.800 in my then this is It took me a long 1104 00:58:40.840 --> 00:58:44.159 time to understand this phrase too. The exception proves the rule, 1105 00:58:44.239 --> 00:58:46.239 and I'm like, wait a minute. If there's exceptions, then 1106 00:58:46.239 --> 00:58:48.480 it's not a rule. No, No, it's it's it's a 1107 00:58:48.599 --> 00:58:53.199 contradiction that exists together and both things are true. Exception 1108 00:58:53.360 --> 00:58:58.159 to a rule is typically extraordinary, an outlier for a reason. 1109 00:58:58.559 --> 00:59:00.840 There's some way they don't fit a tip pattern. So 1110 00:59:01.360 --> 00:59:03.920 the pattern exists just because the edge might be a 1111 00:59:03.960 --> 00:59:05.599 little fuzzy and there might be a few people that 1112 00:59:05.719 --> 00:59:08.079 fall outside, that doesn't mean the pattern is not there. 1113 00:59:08.199 --> 00:59:10.199 It doesn't mean it's not ubiquitous. It doesn't mean it's 1114 00:59:10.239 --> 00:59:13.719 not probably good advice for as I say, ninety nine 1115 00:59:13.760 --> 00:59:15.440 to ninety eight percent of people. And then you get 1116 00:59:15.480 --> 00:59:17.519 around you know, so this is one situation where we 1117 00:59:17.519 --> 00:59:19.039 got to see, you know, what's right for you as well. 1118 00:59:19.119 --> 00:59:21.920 So for me being a parent, having kids not the 1119 00:59:22.000 --> 00:59:23.920 right thing to do. Never did it, never wanted to. 1120 00:59:24.239 --> 00:59:28.000 The whole idea terrified me, not just for my own sake, like, oh, 1121 00:59:28.000 --> 00:59:29.679 I don't want to give them my comfy lifestyle, but 1122 00:59:29.960 --> 00:59:31.800 I'm going to mess up a kid. There's no way 1123 00:59:31.800 --> 00:59:33.639 I'm gonna do that, right, So I'm just not going 1124 00:59:33.679 --> 00:59:35.440 to make a kid that I mess up. And I'm 1125 00:59:35.440 --> 00:59:37.000 not blaming you know, a lot of people go, oh god, 1126 00:59:37.039 --> 00:59:38.920 how is your relationship with their parents? But they're great people, 1127 00:59:39.079 --> 00:59:41.039 they did a good job. I don't blame them for anything. 1128 00:59:41.119 --> 00:59:42.960 I'm just looking at like, I can't do this. That 1129 00:59:43.119 --> 00:59:45.159 is beyond my capacity. And I had to be honest 1130 00:59:45.159 --> 00:59:47.840 about that for you know, because I I was thinking 1131 00:59:47.880 --> 00:59:49.840 of you know, I'm twelve, thirteen, fifteen, and I'm starting 1132 00:59:49.840 --> 00:59:51.679 to learn, oh, you know, eventually I'm going to be 1133 00:59:51.679 --> 00:59:54.320 an adult and adults get married and have kids, and 1134 00:59:54.559 --> 00:59:57.000 do I want that? Should I do that? And my 1135 00:59:57.119 --> 01:00:00.760 decision was no. But I consider myself to be that 1136 01:00:01.000 --> 01:00:02.960 exception that proves the rule of like, Okay, if you're 1137 01:00:02.960 --> 01:00:05.360 someone like me, maybe this is not for you, But 1138 01:00:05.519 --> 01:00:08.800 for ninety eight ninety nine percent all the other humans 1139 01:00:08.800 --> 01:00:11.400 on the globe, you probably want to get married, have kids, 1140 01:00:11.440 --> 01:00:13.880 and that's your meaning of life, and that's your your 1141 01:00:14.000 --> 01:00:18.079 ticket to the best possible fulfilling purpose in life, even 1142 01:00:18.119 --> 01:00:20.119 if there's exceptions like me, and hey, maybe you're an 1143 01:00:20.119 --> 01:00:22.920 exception too. Probably not there was the chance that I 1144 01:00:23.119 --> 01:00:25.960 probably was not an exception either. I had to really 1145 01:00:26.000 --> 01:00:28.400 wrestle with the idea and then come around to that idea. 1146 01:00:28.519 --> 01:00:30.119 So yeah, that's that's what I get to with these 1147 01:00:30.199 --> 01:00:33.079 these aphorisms. You know, it's like, you know, you can't 1148 01:00:33.119 --> 01:00:35.800 think of any others, but you've got to be interested 1149 01:00:35.840 --> 01:00:38.440 in figuring out why it's generally correct, and then you 1150 01:00:38.519 --> 01:00:43.599 can identify the outliers and exceptions, and then that helps 1151 01:00:43.639 --> 01:00:45.280 you find out, well, am I one of the exceptions 1152 01:00:45.400 --> 01:00:45.519 or not? 1153 01:00:45.760 --> 01:00:49.719 But anyway, yeah, yeah, never wanted to be a father, 1154 01:00:49.840 --> 01:00:50.719 so you just took in. 1155 01:00:50.760 --> 01:00:53.159 A bunch of cats instead, pretty much. 1156 01:00:53.239 --> 01:00:53.400 Yeah. 1157 01:00:53.480 --> 01:00:55.280 No, I still have a you know, lots of you know, 1158 01:00:55.360 --> 01:00:57.880 love and compassion to give, and I still you know, 1159 01:00:58.199 --> 01:01:01.400 hope to mitigate the suffering of creatures that are around me. 1160 01:01:01.480 --> 01:01:02.920 And you know, I don't you know this. And that's 1161 01:01:03.079 --> 01:01:05.159 the other thing too, is people get really hung up 1162 01:01:05.159 --> 01:01:07.280 on some of their specific beliefs and they're like, well, 1163 01:01:07.320 --> 01:01:09.639 if you don't want what I want, then there's something 1164 01:01:09.719 --> 01:01:11.639 wrong with you. I'm like, well, sure you could say 1165 01:01:11.679 --> 01:01:13.519 this something wrong with Yeah, maybe, and maybe I was 1166 01:01:13.599 --> 01:01:17.159 born with something wrong that made me terrified of you know, 1167 01:01:17.440 --> 01:01:20.760 damaging a human when everybody's scared, and you just kind 1168 01:01:20.800 --> 01:01:22.920 of do it anyway because you should. There's a kind 1169 01:01:22.920 --> 01:01:25.519 of enough multiply thing. You know, there's a commandment in 1170 01:01:25.639 --> 01:01:27.800 there ish not actually one of the Ten commandments, but 1171 01:01:27.960 --> 01:01:28.639 still anyway. 1172 01:01:28.639 --> 01:01:31.519 I mean, I I am a I am a father. 1173 01:01:31.760 --> 01:01:35.039 I have a you know, I have two kids, well 1174 01:01:35.480 --> 01:01:39.800 three if you if you count firefight her son as well. 1175 01:01:39.920 --> 01:01:44.800 I trying the best that I can from a distance. Yeah, 1176 01:01:44.960 --> 01:01:48.119 being a parent is absolutely fucking terrifying because you know, 1177 01:01:48.599 --> 01:01:54.480 you you find out that you know, your parents too, 1178 01:01:54.760 --> 01:01:59.599 had no idea nobody was hell they were doing. They 1179 01:01:59.719 --> 01:02:01.960 know to feed you, they know to clothe you, they 1180 01:02:02.039 --> 01:02:04.079 know to clean you, they know that try not to 1181 01:02:04.159 --> 01:02:07.519 drop you on your head. Yeah, for example, although I 1182 01:02:07.559 --> 01:02:11.400 guess with some people, you know, it happens. Yeah, and 1183 01:02:11.559 --> 01:02:14.679 so I thought may have been being dropped on their 1184 01:02:14.719 --> 01:02:15.280 hat as well. 1185 01:02:15.599 --> 01:02:18.840 That's true. I hit rock, sliding glass doors. I probably 1186 01:02:18.840 --> 01:02:20.199 get a lot of head trauma for as a kid. 1187 01:02:20.360 --> 01:02:21.480 None of it my parents fault. 1188 01:02:21.920 --> 01:02:25.679 I would like to extend a major thank you to 1189 01:02:25.960 --> 01:02:31.039 the sponsor of today's episode of Fuera Coffee Discover of 1190 01:02:31.159 --> 01:02:37.480 Fueria's Coffee vibrant flavors from certified Rainforest Alliance farms in 1191 01:02:37.840 --> 01:02:43.840 Central and South America. Enjoy rich, smooth and aromatic bruise 1192 01:02:44.400 --> 01:02:50.920 while supporting sustainability taste excellence with every sip. 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When so he's 1224 01:05:20.159 --> 01:05:24.079 got a big fascination with the Hoover Dam, huge magnificent project, 1225 01:05:24.599 --> 01:05:26.159 and he wanted to take his kid to go see it. 1226 01:05:26.239 --> 01:05:27.760 And well what do I do. I'm a little shit 1227 01:05:27.840 --> 01:05:31.360 and they're calling me as I run away, looking back 1228 01:05:31.400 --> 01:05:33.880 over my shoulder, laughing at them like haha, I can't 1229 01:05:33.920 --> 01:05:35.920 get me. I turned around just in time to go 1230 01:05:36.039 --> 01:05:40.079 face first into a giant rock and not bloody, bloody forehead, 1231 01:05:40.320 --> 01:05:44.280 crying and all that stuff, And they probably felt terrible. 1232 01:05:44.320 --> 01:05:46.639 Why couldn't I save my son? For it was entirely 1233 01:05:46.719 --> 01:05:49.400 my fault. It was a stupid kid playing games when 1234 01:05:49.400 --> 01:05:52.440 I shouldn't have and got myself hurt, and you know, 1235 01:05:53.400 --> 01:05:54.960 less just like that of like, okay, God, if I 1236 01:05:54.960 --> 01:05:56.440 had a kid like that, I would just die. I 1237 01:05:56.440 --> 01:05:59.079 would just I would have a heart attack. I mean 1238 01:05:59.119 --> 01:06:01.840 that being I couldn't sleep from constant anxiety. I mean's 1239 01:06:02.000 --> 01:06:04.920 just this is gonna be horrible. So and sometimes you 1240 01:06:05.000 --> 01:06:06.480 just do it anyway. You're like, this is no, this 1241 01:06:06.599 --> 01:06:08.760 is important enough, This is what I should do, This 1242 01:06:08.880 --> 01:06:11.320 is what I feel cold to do. And definitely, by 1243 01:06:11.320 --> 01:06:13.840 all means, I'm not an anti natalist, even even if 1244 01:06:13.920 --> 01:06:16.559 I kind of used to be. But that's a whole 1245 01:06:16.639 --> 01:06:18.840 nother kettle of fish. Not anymore. I'm like, I do 1246 01:06:18.920 --> 01:06:19.719 it stochcatay. 1247 01:06:19.760 --> 01:06:22.679 Yeah, people kids like at the same time, you know, 1248 01:06:22.800 --> 01:06:25.719 look at that that you know baby in your arms. 1249 01:06:25.800 --> 01:06:28.840 He is he is totally your baby. You know he's 1250 01:06:29.480 --> 01:06:30.079 your baby now? 1251 01:06:30.800 --> 01:06:32.880 Yeah, he is. I just need them to kind of 1252 01:06:33.000 --> 01:06:35.039 take care of themselves. Mostly this. I'm not even a 1253 01:06:35.119 --> 01:06:37.280 dog person because they need too much tension, Like I 1254 01:06:37.360 --> 01:06:39.880 can't yuh, the only dog you know, you might have 1255 01:06:40.079 --> 01:06:41.679 seen it in the past. I had that little little 1256 01:06:41.679 --> 01:06:43.800 white dog, Peanut. He would sit in my lap sometimes. 1257 01:06:43.960 --> 01:06:44.760 He mean you may or met it. 1258 01:06:44.840 --> 01:06:44.960 Well. 1259 01:06:44.960 --> 01:06:46.840 He passed a while ago. He had a he had 1260 01:06:46.880 --> 01:06:49.159 issues and he had to go. So I hope you're okay. 1261 01:06:50.119 --> 01:06:53.199 It's neither it's okay, It's okay. I'll keep I'll keep 1262 01:06:53.199 --> 01:06:56.199 telling a story here, even even him. I mean, I 1263 01:06:56.320 --> 01:06:58.239 found myself thinking of him the other day of like, 1264 01:06:58.480 --> 01:06:59.960 if he was still here, I would need to work 1265 01:07:00.119 --> 01:07:02.960 about letting him out in the snow and bringing him 1266 01:07:02.960 --> 01:07:04.760 back in and making sure, you know, he was okay 1267 01:07:04.880 --> 01:07:07.079 and was he able to go to the bathroom? Does 1268 01:07:07.199 --> 01:07:09.360 you know are the raccoons out there in the dark. 1269 01:07:11.519 --> 01:07:13.760 Just just that level. So I don't even want a dog. 1270 01:07:13.840 --> 01:07:16.039 That level of responsibility is just too much, too to 1271 01:07:16.119 --> 01:07:19.840 anxiety provoking for me. So, oh my god, having kids, 1272 01:07:19.880 --> 01:07:21.719 I don't think I could do it. I don't even 1273 01:07:21.760 --> 01:07:25.199 know if I could say taking a you know, an 1274 01:07:25.239 --> 01:07:27.360 adopted kid or something even one that was a little 1275 01:07:27.360 --> 01:07:28.760 bit older and a little more self. You know, you 1276 01:07:28.760 --> 01:07:30.480 don't have to wipe their butt, but you got to 1277 01:07:30.639 --> 01:07:32.440 make sure they're getting their homework done, that kind of thing, 1278 01:07:32.480 --> 01:07:34.280 And I should know if I can handle that. I 1279 01:07:34.360 --> 01:07:38.960 thought about what am I saying. I've thought about doing that, 1280 01:07:39.639 --> 01:07:42.159 Like do I have a say, maybe a social or 1281 01:07:42.239 --> 01:07:44.880 human responsibility to say, you know, to taking a kid 1282 01:07:44.920 --> 01:07:46.679 that didn't have a house, he's living in foster care 1283 01:07:46.760 --> 01:07:49.599 and you know, or an orphan or something like that. 1284 01:07:49.760 --> 01:07:51.840 And part of me wants to wants to be that 1285 01:07:51.960 --> 01:07:54.840 kind of a hero in a way. And that's another 1286 01:07:54.880 --> 01:08:00.360 thing about our hero Our concept of heroics has little 1287 01:08:00.519 --> 01:08:02.840 got a little screwed up. I think we think of, 1288 01:08:02.920 --> 01:08:05.719 you know, someone's only a hero if they you know, 1289 01:08:05.960 --> 01:08:08.760 have spider powers or a cape and they fly, or 1290 01:08:09.280 --> 01:08:11.880 the strength of hercules. I'm like, well, these these heroes 1291 01:08:11.920 --> 01:08:15.480 were set up as as aspirational figures. Sure, but it's 1292 01:08:15.519 --> 01:08:18.319 it's what was it? I saw some of you speaking 1293 01:08:18.359 --> 01:08:23.119 of cats of what there was a was it cats 1294 01:08:23.199 --> 01:08:26.960 or was kids? There was a a guy that like 1295 01:08:27.079 --> 01:08:28.920 a pizza delivery guy or something like that uber driver 1296 01:08:29.079 --> 01:08:31.600 or something that ran into a burning house, and I 1297 01:08:31.680 --> 01:08:33.640 think it was a kid saved a kid and then 1298 01:08:33.720 --> 01:08:35.399 heard there was another one trapped in there, went back 1299 01:08:35.479 --> 01:08:36.920 and did it a second time and jumped out the 1300 01:08:36.920 --> 01:08:42.479 second story window. Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean that's a hero. 1301 01:08:42.840 --> 01:08:47.079 That's just a dude absolutely responded in the situation. Didn't 1302 01:08:47.079 --> 01:08:49.439 have the strength of hercules, he wasn't invulnerable to fire. 1303 01:08:49.520 --> 01:08:52.079 That's that's even more impressive in my mind. You've got 1304 01:08:52.119 --> 01:08:56.119 someone literally just weak but determined. I think that's that's 1305 01:08:56.159 --> 01:08:58.239 a That's a big trope in anime too, And I 1306 01:08:58.279 --> 01:09:00.399 think it's on purpose. How do these story reason are 1307 01:09:00.560 --> 01:09:05.840 what is it? It's the hero's journey, it is it 1308 01:09:06.000 --> 01:09:07.600 is very much. Yeah, yeah, and it's you know, so 1309 01:09:07.680 --> 01:09:09.319 you get the call to adventure. You know, you've made 1310 01:09:09.319 --> 01:09:11.439 it into the special school for gifted kids or whatever. 1311 01:09:11.479 --> 01:09:13.800 And maybe some of them have powers and whatnot, and sure, 1312 01:09:14.000 --> 01:09:16.840 but what I'm not trying to say, it's the idea 1313 01:09:17.039 --> 01:09:22.760 of someone who maybe even isn't special, talented, powerful, any 1314 01:09:22.800 --> 01:09:25.720 of those things, but they have a strong drive to 1315 01:09:25.840 --> 01:09:28.239 do what's right and they've got that determination to see 1316 01:09:28.279 --> 01:09:31.279 it through. And that those kind of themes show up 1317 01:09:31.319 --> 01:09:33.439 and animate a lot of the person you know. 1318 01:09:33.640 --> 01:09:38.439 Yeah, yeah, no's that's all about like sacrifice and self 1319 01:09:38.960 --> 01:09:42.920 sacrifice as well. You know, to have a strong drive, 1320 01:09:43.079 --> 01:09:47.159 to have a strong will is to sacrifice the insecurity, 1321 01:09:47.359 --> 01:09:52.239 to sacrifice the thoughts of what may happen for just 1322 01:09:52.439 --> 01:09:56.680 fighting for the desired outcome. And that's what that Uber 1323 01:09:56.920 --> 01:09:59.439 delivery guy. I've seen the story. I have no idea 1324 01:09:59.520 --> 01:10:01.560 who it is, but you know, on the the odd 1325 01:10:01.640 --> 01:10:03.479 chances that you are watching now, the odd chance that 1326 01:10:03.600 --> 01:10:06.319 you are listening, Bro, you are a fucking hero, don't. 1327 01:10:06.359 --> 01:10:07.720 I don't want to tell you anything else. 1328 01:10:08.439 --> 01:10:10.000 Well, and then you ask him and he'll be like, 1329 01:10:10.159 --> 01:10:12.520 I did I'm not a hero, and that's pretty common 1330 01:10:12.600 --> 01:10:15.000 of heroes. It's like, this is I don't even see 1331 01:10:15.039 --> 01:10:18.239 myself in that way. I don't. I don't feel better 1332 01:10:18.359 --> 01:10:21.000 than I think I am because I did this. They 1333 01:10:21.119 --> 01:10:21.880 just needed to be done. 1334 01:10:22.960 --> 01:10:26.399 So let's let's take that. You know, we were talking 1335 01:10:26.439 --> 01:10:29.399 about people, you know, the the actually and the what ifs. 1336 01:10:29.960 --> 01:10:32.039 Let's take that from Let's take that, you know that 1337 01:10:32.239 --> 01:10:34.600 that comment from the other side, what if he did? 1338 01:10:35.399 --> 01:10:35.520 You know? 1339 01:10:35.720 --> 01:10:38.680 Agnowlan's like, oh, yeah, yeah, I'm a hero. I know 1340 01:10:38.800 --> 01:10:41.840 I'm a hero. Does that still make him, you know, 1341 01:10:42.039 --> 01:10:46.479 a hero if he has the well, let's say that 1342 01:10:46.600 --> 01:10:50.720 the blown up ego, you know, the or what is 1343 01:10:50.720 --> 01:10:54.239 its homelander? Is that is that kind of a I've 1344 01:10:54.319 --> 01:10:56.199 never I haven't seen that. 1345 01:10:56.600 --> 01:10:57.680 Did you watch The Boys? Or no? 1346 01:10:58.079 --> 01:10:59.800 No, no, I I don't. 1347 01:11:00.159 --> 01:11:03.560 I mean I kinda the villain. So and he does 1348 01:11:03.600 --> 01:11:06.359 have an inflated sense of ego, but they also explain 1349 01:11:06.960 --> 01:11:08.920 his childhood and how he ended up that way and 1350 01:11:09.039 --> 01:11:12.039 it's not his fault, but still shits. It's a really 1351 01:11:12.119 --> 01:11:14.680 good it's a really good series. The latest season was 1352 01:11:14.680 --> 01:11:17.560 a little Man but that's okay, but. 1353 01:11:17.760 --> 01:11:20.600 Like, what if he It's a fair point though, like, yeah, 1354 01:11:20.720 --> 01:11:24.520 he is a hero for doing that, but as a hero, 1355 01:11:24.800 --> 01:11:27.439 like aren't you kind of supposed to say, like, you know, 1356 01:11:27.560 --> 01:11:30.079 it was nothing, it was just you know, I think 1357 01:11:30.119 --> 01:11:32.520 we liked I did it because I don't even know 1358 01:11:32.680 --> 01:11:35.920 why I did it, Like it was just an instantaneous response, 1359 01:11:36.039 --> 01:11:38.520 a reaction like I saw someone in trouble, I knew 1360 01:11:38.520 --> 01:11:40.720 there was trouble. I just went out and do it. 1361 01:11:40.800 --> 01:11:44.800 I were moving just did Yeah. Yeah. I think there's 1362 01:11:44.880 --> 01:11:50.079 a bit of a trope again of the quintessential hero 1363 01:11:50.359 --> 01:11:53.960 also being humble and saying no, no, no thanks are necessary, no, 1364 01:11:54.560 --> 01:11:58.199 no parades, no, no glory. I don't really think I'm 1365 01:11:58.199 --> 01:12:01.359 all that great. We kind of like that he's humble too. 1366 01:12:01.560 --> 01:12:03.399 But if you know, if someone did something heroic and 1367 01:12:03.840 --> 01:12:06.439 someone said you're a hero, and he's like, you're right, 1368 01:12:06.840 --> 01:12:09.600 I am. That was pretty damn heroic. I'm proud of myself. 1369 01:12:09.840 --> 01:12:11.439 I don't think that takes anything from it. I think 1370 01:12:11.479 --> 01:12:13.000 that's actually kind of funny. I mean, I said it 1371 01:12:13.039 --> 01:12:16.239 in a funny way intentionally because I'm not even comfortable 1372 01:12:16.960 --> 01:12:20.840 taking that idea seriously. I think I think we want 1373 01:12:21.399 --> 01:12:23.600 humility in the hero as well, so that kind of 1374 01:12:23.760 --> 01:12:26.479 colors what we expect in a way. But I don't 1375 01:12:26.520 --> 01:12:28.920 think it actually takes anything away from from the from 1376 01:12:29.000 --> 01:12:31.039 the act for the person to then have a realistic 1377 01:12:31.039 --> 01:12:34.239 appraisal of it, going yeah, yeah, maybe I should tell 1378 01:12:34.279 --> 01:12:35.840 people I'm a hero and that that this is a 1379 01:12:35.920 --> 01:12:37.359 heroic thing to do, and that, you know what, they 1380 01:12:37.359 --> 01:12:39.399 should do it too, and if you want to be 1381 01:12:39.399 --> 01:12:40.760 a hero, you should be like me, I did a 1382 01:12:40.840 --> 01:12:46.640 heroic thing. Yeah. That that does sit so uncomfortably though, 1383 01:12:46.640 --> 01:12:51.439 because it's like maybe it's a Western thing as well. 1384 01:12:51.600 --> 01:12:57.600 Maybe it is because I, ah, just yesterday, yesterday evening, 1385 01:12:57.680 --> 01:13:00.159 I started watching you know, like speaking of you know, 1386 01:13:00.279 --> 01:13:04.279 the Great Gods, and I started watching Hercules the legendary. 1387 01:13:03.880 --> 01:13:07.119 Journeys with Oh those were fun back. 1388 01:13:07.039 --> 01:13:07.479 In the day. 1389 01:13:07.680 --> 01:13:10.399 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, like the off Xena and then 1390 01:13:10.439 --> 01:13:12.720 Hercules and Zina got together in some episodes. I watched 1391 01:13:12.720 --> 01:13:13.920 all that shit in the nineties, I did. 1392 01:13:15.000 --> 01:13:18.479 I mean, I have, like I can't remember like snippets 1393 01:13:18.640 --> 01:13:21.760 of it. I don't think I've ever watched a full episode, 1394 01:13:21.840 --> 01:13:25.520 but I you know, just see everybody who's absolutely lyric 1395 01:13:25.600 --> 01:13:28.199 about it, like, oh, that was so good, and like 1396 01:13:28.359 --> 01:13:31.880 now I'm watching it and the cgi is absolutely fucking horrendous. 1397 01:13:32.000 --> 01:13:34.479 Oh it's terrible. And if you're growing up at all, 1398 01:13:34.520 --> 01:13:36.680 they really were for kind of kids and teenagers in 1399 01:13:36.720 --> 01:13:39.600 a way. Yeah, but it's a little campy and goofy 1400 01:13:39.720 --> 01:13:42.560 and it's silly and that makes it fun too. You 1401 01:13:42.680 --> 01:13:46.039 get some of the over the top characters like Aries 1402 01:13:46.079 --> 01:13:47.199 I think was in there, and he was you know, 1403 01:13:47.279 --> 01:13:49.920 he's got this long dark hair and his beard or 1404 01:13:50.000 --> 01:13:52.119 mustache or whatever. It was very full of himself. 1405 01:13:52.640 --> 01:13:57.720 Like I'm still like finishing up a season one, like 1406 01:13:57.920 --> 01:14:00.359 they're forty five minutes episodes is pretty long. 1407 01:14:00.439 --> 01:14:03.880 Actually yeah, they were hour long with commercials of forty 1408 01:14:03.880 --> 01:14:04.319 five minutes. 1409 01:14:04.359 --> 01:14:08.760 Again yeah, yeah, uh for sure. The the what is 1410 01:14:08.800 --> 01:14:15.399 it the Toga salesman from Believe like episodes to episode three. 1411 01:14:15.720 --> 01:14:19.920 He's a goofy character. He's kind of like the annoying 1412 01:14:20.199 --> 01:14:24.359 sidekick character. But that that makes it fun. But where 1413 01:14:24.399 --> 01:14:26.640 I was going with this, it's like I noticed that 1414 01:14:26.920 --> 01:14:33.399 in the in the show, it's like he knows he's Hercules. 1415 01:14:33.600 --> 01:14:37.359 Everyone knows who Hercules is, even if they you know, 1416 01:14:37.479 --> 01:14:42.039 don't necessarily know. You know, he is is Hercules. So 1417 01:14:42.359 --> 01:14:45.239 what does he do the things that he does well 1418 01:14:45.640 --> 01:14:49.920 because he's Hercules and that is what you know, what 1419 01:14:50.159 --> 01:14:56.159 is expected of him. Well, you know, he's still you know, 1420 01:14:56.279 --> 01:14:58.600 he still saves the day. He still saves you know, 1421 01:14:58.720 --> 01:15:01.199 the king or the damsel into stress or the kids. 1422 01:15:01.479 --> 01:15:06.520 You know, so he is still a hero at the 1423 01:15:06.640 --> 01:15:08.680 end of the day, or you know, make sure that 1424 01:15:10.079 --> 01:15:14.199 somebody else triumphs, making him kind of the hero but 1425 01:15:14.920 --> 01:15:19.000 the other guy, the victor, if you will. But does 1426 01:15:19.079 --> 01:15:21.960 that make him less in any way? Like he knows 1427 01:15:22.000 --> 01:15:24.840 he's a hero, he knows his Hercules, he knows what's 1428 01:15:25.640 --> 01:15:28.920 expected of him. That's why he does it. You know, 1429 01:15:28.960 --> 01:15:31.880 it's not out of the kindness of its heart, of 1430 01:15:32.000 --> 01:15:34.199 his hearts. I mean, I'm sure that that plays a 1431 01:15:34.239 --> 01:15:37.439 part in it as well. I'm not, you know, really 1432 01:15:37.600 --> 01:15:42.199 up on my great mythology, but it's like, yeah, I'm Hercules, 1433 01:15:42.359 --> 01:15:46.199 I'm the son of Zeus. I'm a hero. I have 1434 01:15:46.479 --> 01:15:50.800 like divine strength and will and allso this is what 1435 01:15:51.000 --> 01:15:55.600 I am supposed to do. It's not, you know, the 1436 01:15:55.760 --> 01:15:59.880 the like. In contrast to the example that we just mentioned, 1437 01:16:00.319 --> 01:16:03.279 it sounds very heroic. Is like, oh, yeah, it's my 1438 01:16:04.520 --> 01:16:07.199 you know, it's my job really to be a hero. 1439 01:16:08.239 --> 01:16:11.760 Yeah, yeah, that's that's interesting too, because then we think 1440 01:16:11.800 --> 01:16:13.880 of our say, you know, firemen specifically, because that guy 1441 01:16:13.920 --> 01:16:15.800 ran to the house, and when the firemen wouldn't, they're like, 1442 01:16:15.920 --> 01:16:19.720 that's dangerous, we can't. It's you know, our our policies 1443 01:16:19.760 --> 01:16:21.640 and procedures say, when a house is that engulfed, you 1444 01:16:21.640 --> 01:16:24.960 don't go running. Anga's pregg going to die or get injured. 1445 01:16:24.960 --> 01:16:28.520 And we don't require that. We want them to be 1446 01:16:28.560 --> 01:16:30.840 able to live to fight another fire. We don't want 1447 01:16:30.840 --> 01:16:34.960 people sacrificing their lives if it can be helped, you know, 1448 01:16:35.039 --> 01:16:37.399 when it comes down to something like that. But to's 1449 01:16:37.479 --> 01:16:42.039 going somewhere with that. I what I was the thought 1450 01:16:42.079 --> 01:16:43.560 that came to my mind was the idea of the 1451 01:16:44.159 --> 01:16:48.039 functional utility. Why would an idea persevere and why would 1452 01:16:48.079 --> 01:16:51.239 it be endorsed? So the humility of the hero to say, oh, no, 1453 01:16:51.600 --> 01:16:54.079 I'm not a hero, it's just what I do. I 1454 01:16:54.239 --> 01:16:57.760 think the purpose of that is to make it a 1455 01:16:57.840 --> 01:17:00.279 part of the story that you don't get a big head. 1456 01:17:00.520 --> 01:17:04.800 You don't start thinking you're entitled the special treatment, even 1457 01:17:04.840 --> 01:17:07.039 if maybe you kind of are. Maybe you get a parade, 1458 01:17:07.159 --> 01:17:09.560 maybe you get a little reward, but you know, you 1459 01:17:09.600 --> 01:17:14.079 should also be humble about that because other stories show 1460 01:17:14.159 --> 01:17:16.960 us how heroes go wrong by becoming egomaniacs and then 1461 01:17:16.960 --> 01:17:19.760 they turn to the villain. So it's like, wait a minute, 1462 01:17:19.920 --> 01:17:22.319 how do you prevent that. Well, you keep your humble 1463 01:17:22.640 --> 01:17:25.239 you keep your humility. So I think we I think 1464 01:17:25.279 --> 01:17:27.479 we like that. It feels good because we're like, Okay, 1465 01:17:27.520 --> 01:17:32.159 here's a person who's worth praise, worthy of praise, but 1466 01:17:32.520 --> 01:17:34.560 they're not gonna let it go to their head and 1467 01:17:35.000 --> 01:17:37.560 turn them into a monster. That's the best way to 1468 01:17:37.640 --> 01:17:40.279 avoid that. And that's I think that's I think that's 1469 01:17:40.319 --> 01:17:41.800 the purpose. It just occurred to be. 1470 01:17:41.800 --> 01:17:44.520 Sure, I mean, I'm open to That's where we get 1471 01:17:44.560 --> 01:17:47.840 the the well known phrase, you know, you either die 1472 01:17:47.880 --> 01:17:49.840 your hero or every long enough to see yourself become 1473 01:17:49.920 --> 01:17:54.199 the villain, right. Sure, it's you know, it's true, and 1474 01:17:54.319 --> 01:17:58.439 it's it's hard to stay humble, you know, especially when 1475 01:17:58.479 --> 01:18:02.039 you're you know, becoming more well known and the praise 1476 01:18:02.159 --> 01:18:05.960 gets more or you know, more people start to praise you. 1477 01:18:07.199 --> 01:18:09.000 You got a million people telling you how awesome you 1478 01:18:09.119 --> 01:18:12.479 are here like, you know, maybe I'm pretty awesome. Yeah, 1479 01:18:13.119 --> 01:18:14.680 you know, Like I don't think I ever wont a 1480 01:18:14.720 --> 01:18:17.439 million followers like anywhere ever. Ever, I don't want to 1481 01:18:17.479 --> 01:18:19.319 be that. I don't want to be I want to 1482 01:18:19.359 --> 01:18:22.000 be successful. I don't necessarily want to be famous. That's 1483 01:18:22.199 --> 01:18:23.119 kind of what I'm shooting for. 1484 01:18:24.159 --> 01:18:29.079 It's their, hm, can you be one without the other? 1485 01:18:29.720 --> 01:18:31.600 I don't know, that's I mean, I just assume you 1486 01:18:31.640 --> 01:18:33.279 when you went hmm, I'm like, you know what, You're right, 1487 01:18:33.399 --> 01:18:35.039 you didn't even have to say it. I'm like, maybe 1488 01:18:35.119 --> 01:18:39.359 they go together. Uh, maybe that's the only way for 1489 01:18:40.800 --> 01:18:44.359 you know, good because a hero comes well, that's ok okay. 1490 01:18:44.439 --> 01:18:48.720 So there's there is the act of heroism, and that 1491 01:18:48.960 --> 01:18:51.800 defines a hero as well, but there's also an element 1492 01:18:51.920 --> 01:18:55.560 of renown. There's that idea of becoming then well known 1493 01:18:55.720 --> 01:19:00.399 for this act of heroism. And I suppose the only way, 1494 01:19:03.199 --> 01:19:06.760 the only way to avoid that totally is and I'm 1495 01:19:06.760 --> 01:19:08.520 not even sure if Batman's a good example of it, 1496 01:19:08.600 --> 01:19:10.159 but he just kind of dips in and the dark 1497 01:19:10.199 --> 01:19:12.039 does this thing and gets the hell out. He doesn't 1498 01:19:12.039 --> 01:19:14.760 show up for parades, he doesn't take praise. Well, that's 1499 01:19:14.800 --> 01:19:16.960 all part of his you know, his psychology, that kind 1500 01:19:16.960 --> 01:19:18.359 of thing. Don't tell me what a good job by, 1501 01:19:18.600 --> 01:19:20.159 tell me where the next bad guy is. I got 1502 01:19:20.199 --> 01:19:21.760 I got work to do. I'm not I get time 1503 01:19:21.800 --> 01:19:21.960 for that. 1504 01:19:22.199 --> 01:19:27.600 I mean, I guess Batman and both Superman to take 1505 01:19:27.760 --> 01:19:30.000 you know, the the two main. 1506 01:19:29.880 --> 01:19:33.439 Ones and then Wonder Woman, the Holy Trinity as they say. 1507 01:19:33.880 --> 01:19:37.600 Sure, yeah, yeah, like all those you know, like the yeah, 1508 01:19:37.880 --> 01:19:39.399 I mean, I guess there are the Big Three, if you. 1509 01:19:39.439 --> 01:19:41.000 Will, the Big Three. Yeah. I just threw him in 1510 01:19:41.000 --> 01:19:43.279 there because there's actually a there's actually a book I think, 1511 01:19:44.840 --> 01:19:45.600 which is about them. 1512 01:19:46.159 --> 01:19:49.279 They all live double lives, you know, they're not Yeah, 1513 01:19:49.560 --> 01:19:53.800 like full time hero if you will. It's a good 1514 01:19:53.840 --> 01:19:56.000 thing to think of with the secret identity thing. It's 1515 01:19:56.079 --> 01:19:58.800 not just protecting the ones around you so that villains 1516 01:19:58.840 --> 01:20:01.079 don't target your family, but but it's also one way 1517 01:20:01.119 --> 01:20:03.479 to keep yourself humble. Is like most interactions you have 1518 01:20:03.640 --> 01:20:07.159 with people as your alter egos, secret identity, they don't 1519 01:20:07.199 --> 01:20:09.239 treat you like anything special, and you're like, Okay, this 1520 01:20:09.439 --> 01:20:12.039 is what normal human interactions are like. And yeah, I 1521 01:20:12.520 --> 01:20:14.960 gotta deal with the praise when I'm in the suit, 1522 01:20:15.079 --> 01:20:17.600 but otherwise I could just be me and be normal. 1523 01:20:17.880 --> 01:20:21.399 I think that would be That reminds me of another thing. Futurama. 1524 01:20:21.479 --> 01:20:23.720 They had an episode where Bender is floating in space 1525 01:20:23.960 --> 01:20:27.439 and he gets a whole colony of microbes that turn 1526 01:20:27.520 --> 01:20:29.960 into a civilization, and then lotcheaks at each other. Some 1527 01:20:30.039 --> 01:20:31.600 of them live on his ass, some of them live 1528 01:20:31.680 --> 01:20:35.920 on his Shelly. Yes, it's hilarious. And what he does 1529 01:20:36.039 --> 01:20:39.520 is at the very end, he speaks with what appeared 1530 01:20:39.520 --> 01:20:42.600 to be flashing stars and it has a deep voice 1531 01:20:42.800 --> 01:20:47.359 and it's very understanding, sympathetic and a bit wry, you know, 1532 01:20:47.880 --> 01:20:50.399 And so he gets the I don't know how it 1533 01:20:50.439 --> 01:20:53.920 comes about, buddy, but the flashing, flashing stars that are 1534 01:20:53.920 --> 01:20:56.439 speaking to him, shoot him back across the galaxy. Oh sure, 1535 01:20:56.439 --> 01:20:57.239 I can do that if you want. 1536 01:20:57.359 --> 01:20:59.760 Go home. And then the last thing it says is 1537 01:20:59.840 --> 01:21:02.359 that you know, if you do it just right, no 1538 01:21:02.520 --> 01:21:04.479 one will be sure you've done anything at all. 1539 01:21:04.720 --> 01:21:05.479 I love that. 1540 01:21:05.920 --> 01:21:08.640 I kind of love that. That idea of that's like 1541 01:21:08.680 --> 01:21:11.520 the ultimate and humility in a way is like, I'm 1542 01:21:11.800 --> 01:21:14.880 only concerned with the outcome. I don't care if anyone 1543 01:21:14.960 --> 01:21:17.640 knows I did it. And as much as I don't 1544 01:21:17.720 --> 01:21:19.720 live up to that, I would like to. I'd like 1545 01:21:19.760 --> 01:21:21.439 to be that kind of person that is absolutely so 1546 01:21:21.560 --> 01:21:25.279 divorced from praise that it doesn't even matter. The problem 1547 01:21:25.319 --> 01:21:27.119 with that, then is you, in some ways get divorced 1548 01:21:27.159 --> 01:21:29.600 from criticism, which you kind of need to because nobody's perfect. 1549 01:21:29.680 --> 01:21:32.159 And how do you figure out if you're screwing up 1550 01:21:32.199 --> 01:21:33.880 when you can't see it, Well, someone's got to tell you. 1551 01:21:34.319 --> 01:21:36.840 So maybe if you are literally a god, then you 1552 01:21:36.920 --> 01:21:41.840 don't need criticism, but most humans do fair enough. But 1553 01:21:42.359 --> 01:21:44.680 then then there's a whole other level. I'm just rambling now, 1554 01:21:44.760 --> 01:21:49.079 but the idea of we are designed to take evolutionary 1555 01:21:49.119 --> 01:21:55.000 psychology style, We're designed to take criticism from immediate compatriots 1556 01:21:55.079 --> 01:21:57.680 or friends in a small group setting. We know you, 1557 01:21:58.479 --> 01:22:02.560 we saw what happened. Here's feedback directly from us, because 1558 01:22:02.600 --> 01:22:05.840 we're the people most affected. But then you get the Internet, 1559 01:22:06.319 --> 01:22:08.760 and now you've got people who just disagree with an 1560 01:22:08.800 --> 01:22:10.960 idea and they're going to come at you like a 1561 01:22:11.039 --> 01:22:14.119 nuclear missile and try and destroy your entire life because 1562 01:22:14.119 --> 01:22:16.640 they hate you because you believe something they don't. And 1563 01:22:16.760 --> 01:22:19.840 now you've got maybe thousands of those people sending you messages, 1564 01:22:19.880 --> 01:22:22.560 and people are more motivated to send a message of 1565 01:22:22.960 --> 01:22:25.079 critique than they are a message of praise, So you 1566 01:22:25.119 --> 01:22:28.079 get a skewed feedback loop from So you may have 1567 01:22:28.119 --> 01:22:30.600 a million followers, but you get a thousand messages a 1568 01:22:30.680 --> 01:22:34.520 day telling you, you know, kys, You're like, wow, people 1569 01:22:34.640 --> 01:22:35.199 really hate me. 1570 01:22:35.399 --> 01:22:35.439 No. 1571 01:22:35.760 --> 01:22:37.840 No, A very small minority of people who don't even 1572 01:22:37.920 --> 01:22:41.079 know you have mean things to say. And I don't 1573 01:22:41.079 --> 01:22:42.439 know how I would react to that. I mean, I 1574 01:22:42.520 --> 01:22:47.479 get responses from people that are rude, you know, not 1575 01:22:47.600 --> 01:22:50.319 that many, and I shine it on and I'm rude 1576 01:22:50.359 --> 01:22:52.479 back to them and will screw you too. Buddy. I'm 1577 01:22:52.520 --> 01:22:56.880 not your buddy, pal Joe Pal buddy, right, the flapy heads. 1578 01:22:56.920 --> 01:22:58.640 I love that, but I have no idea how I 1579 01:22:58.680 --> 01:23:00.680 would deal with it. Say if I hit or Peterson's 1580 01:23:00.720 --> 01:23:05.399 level of fame and acclaim and criticism, he's no wonder 1581 01:23:05.479 --> 01:23:07.319 he you know, went on meds and ended up in 1582 01:23:07.319 --> 01:23:10.800 a hospital, and I probably would do a champlain or yeah, 1583 01:23:11.199 --> 01:23:11.640 or you know. 1584 01:23:11.800 --> 01:23:15.840 You you turn into a host. The other the other guy, 1585 01:23:16.119 --> 01:23:18.199 I forget his name, Like they're always mentioned in the 1586 01:23:18.720 --> 01:23:24.439 same breath, another psychology commentator or a philosophy guy. 1587 01:23:24.880 --> 01:23:26.359 Maybe you think of Sam Harris. 1588 01:23:27.079 --> 01:23:27.159 But. 1589 01:23:29.279 --> 01:23:33.960 He's like the shadow side, like he's in the Red Pill, 1590 01:23:34.119 --> 01:23:35.760 the former cake boxer. 1591 01:23:36.520 --> 01:23:40.279 Thinking about Andrew Tate, Yeah that, yeah, like either you're 1592 01:23:40.319 --> 01:23:42.119 kind of kind of defending him a little bit. 1593 01:23:44.199 --> 01:23:48.119 No, But I think like those are really like polar opposites. 1594 01:23:48.520 --> 01:23:51.600 You know, it's like taking again was nothing like Peterson. 1595 01:23:51.640 --> 01:23:54.000 You become you become the other. I mean they're both 1596 01:23:54.119 --> 01:23:58.520 like in the the you know, self help, sure, the psychology, 1597 01:23:58.720 --> 01:24:01.279 you know, here's how you're you know, how you're a man. 1598 01:24:01.399 --> 01:24:04.479 You know, the one guy says, you know, just clean 1599 01:24:04.520 --> 01:24:06.920 your clean your room, bucco, and the other guy says, well, 1600 01:24:06.960 --> 01:24:08.560 you know, go be a pimp. 1601 01:24:09.720 --> 01:24:11.920 Yeah, for sure, or at least to have a strong 1602 01:24:12.000 --> 01:24:14.199 pimpand one way or another. Yeah. Then you also get 1603 01:24:14.239 --> 01:24:15.840 into things like what did Dates say the other day? 1604 01:24:15.840 --> 01:24:19.720 He said something like any man who only has children 1605 01:24:19.800 --> 01:24:22.640 with one woman is not really a top level alpha 1606 01:24:22.760 --> 01:24:25.359 or whatever. It's like, I'm misquoting him, So don't don't 1607 01:24:25.439 --> 01:24:28.560 you know, and don't and I don't endorse that advice necessarily, 1608 01:24:28.720 --> 01:24:30.760 But there is something to where you an exception to 1609 01:24:30.800 --> 01:24:32.359 the rule type of thing like I was talking about before. 1610 01:24:32.359 --> 01:24:36.600 It like Eloney, percent of people on the entire planet 1611 01:24:36.960 --> 01:24:41.119 should have one relationship with one person with whom they 1612 01:24:41.159 --> 01:24:43.800 have kids and stay married to for their entire life. 1613 01:24:44.199 --> 01:24:46.720 And then you got guys like Elon. Okay, if you 1614 01:24:46.880 --> 01:24:50.880 are an Elon Musk. It's not that it's good to 1615 01:24:51.000 --> 01:24:54.479 have thirteen different baby mamas or or however many there are, 1616 01:24:54.640 --> 01:24:57.319 but with thirteen different kids with different women. But he 1617 01:24:57.520 --> 01:25:00.560 can do that in a way that I can't. You can't, 1618 01:25:00.880 --> 01:25:03.640 nobody can. I mean, he can kind of pull it off, 1619 01:25:03.680 --> 01:25:05.119 even if it is an ideal and I and I 1620 01:25:05.159 --> 01:25:07.520 don't endorse go knock up a bunch of women. But 1621 01:25:07.800 --> 01:25:10.119 then there's the but. But that's what Andrew Tatus speaking 1622 01:25:10.119 --> 01:25:12.319 to he's speaking to that idea of if you're a Tait, 1623 01:25:12.520 --> 01:25:14.479 if you're a Musk, you can do that, and that 1624 01:25:14.600 --> 01:25:18.880 that's actually a sign of Yeah, I guess that's that's 1625 01:25:19.039 --> 01:25:21.000 not not something to aspire to. But what am I 1626 01:25:21.039 --> 01:25:22.439 trying to say? It's something you can get away with 1627 01:25:22.720 --> 01:25:25.159 that other people can't exactly. They can mitigate, they can 1628 01:25:25.199 --> 01:25:27.399 deal with the consequences of that. They can provide for 1629 01:25:27.479 --> 01:25:31.039 thirteen kids. Yeah, even even if it's better that they 1630 01:25:31.079 --> 01:25:33.439 were in the house and a father to those kids individually, 1631 01:25:33.640 --> 01:25:35.439 maybe he needs to start like a like a like 1632 01:25:35.520 --> 01:25:40.239 a cult compound where all his kids together. He just 1633 01:25:40.319 --> 01:25:41.960 needs to convert to Mormonism. And he's good. 1634 01:25:43.119 --> 01:25:46.199 Convert to Mormonism, moved to Utah. I mean, Mormonism is 1635 01:25:46.439 --> 01:25:48.920 it's you know, it's a cold as fuck anyway. 1636 01:25:48.720 --> 01:25:51.439 Most religions are. Yeah, that's it's very weird. You look 1637 01:25:51.479 --> 01:25:54.880 at the root of words, and cult is the root 1638 01:25:54.960 --> 01:25:58.000 word of culture. It is what we all believe in, 1639 01:25:58.079 --> 01:26:00.239 how we all behave in this group, and we we've 1640 01:26:00.520 --> 01:26:03.039 you know, words have the denotative meaning. It's it's just 1641 01:26:03.199 --> 01:26:05.399 it is what it is. It's a small group of 1642 01:26:05.479 --> 01:26:09.159 people that share a common belief and practice neutrally. That's 1643 01:26:09.159 --> 01:26:11.680 not the direct definition, but then you get the the 1644 01:26:11.840 --> 01:26:14.560 denote or connotative meaning, which we think of a cult 1645 01:26:14.680 --> 01:26:20.319 as weird, dysfunctional counter to to to positive psychological practices. 1646 01:26:20.479 --> 01:26:23.079 A lot of things going to occult practices is how 1647 01:26:23.119 --> 01:26:24.439 to know you're in a cult type of thing. They 1648 01:26:24.479 --> 01:26:26.159 cut you off from your friends and family, They make 1649 01:26:26.199 --> 01:26:28.800 you behave in strange ways, they put pressure, they love 1650 01:26:28.920 --> 01:26:31.880 bomb you and withdraw. There's a lot of manipulative tactics 1651 01:26:31.960 --> 01:26:35.000 that go into to that connotative meaning of what a 1652 01:26:35.039 --> 01:26:38.840 cult is cult bad, we'd say not necessarily. I mean, 1653 01:26:38.960 --> 01:26:42.000 Christianity was a cult back when it was brand new 1654 01:26:42.239 --> 01:26:45.520 and it became a worldwide religions anything. You know, Islam 1655 01:26:45.640 --> 01:26:47.600 was a cult for a minute until it conquered half 1656 01:26:47.640 --> 01:26:49.520 the Middle East, you know. So cult is just kind 1657 01:26:49.560 --> 01:26:52.279 of the the Hoddler form of a what could become 1658 01:26:52.359 --> 01:26:54.159 a religion if it spreads, if it's you know. 1659 01:26:54.760 --> 01:27:00.279 Anyway, But that's that's ah, that's a good one that 1660 01:27:00.359 --> 01:27:04.119 way before and I never thought about it like that. 1661 01:27:04.479 --> 01:27:06.680 Well, like I was probably the Norse gods before it 1662 01:27:06.760 --> 01:27:09.680 became more and more prolific, you know, And those were 1663 01:27:09.720 --> 01:27:11.800 the early adopters, the people who kind of figured out 1664 01:27:11.800 --> 01:27:16.000 the stories or pulled them together from other bits of wisdom. 1665 01:27:16.119 --> 01:27:17.600 That's what I think the Bible is too, is like 1666 01:27:17.680 --> 01:27:23.439 a lot of leftover stuff from Atlantis from and here's 1667 01:27:23.439 --> 01:27:27.439 a weird I've now mentioned that twice. There's a conception 1668 01:27:28.439 --> 01:27:32.520 among the I also feel like I cut you off. Sorry, 1669 01:27:32.560 --> 01:27:34.039 did you want to finish your thought? Or oh no, 1670 01:27:34.239 --> 01:27:36.600 you're okay, all right, we'll talk about Atlantis for a second. 1671 01:27:36.720 --> 01:27:39.079 It's a weird thing. I usually I didn't used to believe, 1672 01:27:39.119 --> 01:27:40.640 and I used to poo poo it, and still I 1673 01:27:40.680 --> 01:27:42.760 don't believe in the straw man version of it. Well, 1674 01:27:42.880 --> 01:27:45.279 there was an island and they had all flying cars 1675 01:27:45.439 --> 01:27:47.800 and free energy, and they had all this. I don't 1676 01:27:47.800 --> 01:27:49.439 know if they had any of that shit. I think 1677 01:27:49.520 --> 01:27:57.079 there was a free historic in a way civilization that 1678 01:27:57.359 --> 01:27:59.319 was destroyed by a great flood. And that's where we 1679 01:27:59.359 --> 01:28:03.319 get the floods stores. And it wasn't like specifically an 1680 01:28:03.359 --> 01:28:06.560 island that then sank under the waves. If you look 1681 01:28:06.600 --> 01:28:09.359 at the way it was described in Plato or Aristotle 1682 01:28:09.520 --> 01:28:12.680 or Socrates, who yeah, whoever talked about it the most. 1683 01:28:13.239 --> 01:28:18.079 It was a civilization swallowed by the sea, which would 1684 01:28:18.159 --> 01:28:22.720 comport with a giant tsunami smashing through flooding, a group 1685 01:28:22.800 --> 01:28:27.720 of people living together in the Mediterranean that had more 1686 01:28:27.800 --> 01:28:31.119 than Stone age technology whatever, that would be sure, the 1687 01:28:31.239 --> 01:28:34.399 flying cars, not energy batteries and shooting lightning bolts out 1688 01:28:34.399 --> 01:28:36.479 of their fingers, and it's nothing magic like that. A 1689 01:28:36.520 --> 01:28:38.960 lot of people go to the straw end version and say, well, 1690 01:28:39.000 --> 01:28:41.640 that never happened. I'm like you, you're right, that never happened, 1691 01:28:41.640 --> 01:28:43.720 and that's not what I'm talking about. So you get 1692 01:28:43.760 --> 01:28:45.720 guys like you know, Graham Hancock, and he's poop pooed 1693 01:28:45.760 --> 01:28:49.159 with this idea. Is like, you mean, civilization couldn't have existed, 1694 01:28:49.279 --> 01:28:51.680 and then a meteor sends a tidal wave and it 1695 01:28:51.840 --> 01:28:55.119 got wiped out. Long story short, I think a lot 1696 01:28:55.159 --> 01:28:58.199 of what made it into collected volumes of wisdom like 1697 01:28:58.279 --> 01:29:02.399 the Bible and like other stories, is leftovers that weren't 1698 01:29:02.520 --> 01:29:06.800 that fully formed back then. But that then evolved into 1699 01:29:06.840 --> 01:29:09.479 the stories we have today, and they tightened and and 1700 01:29:09.840 --> 01:29:12.479 they used less words, and they used less and they 1701 01:29:12.520 --> 01:29:14.319 were more direct and to the point. And the other 1702 01:29:14.359 --> 01:29:16.279 thing I was gonna say too, way way way back 1703 01:29:16.359 --> 01:29:19.000 when we're starting all this stuff too, is that there's 1704 01:29:19.000 --> 01:29:23.239 a reason we like getting the or the there's a 1705 01:29:23.279 --> 01:29:26.880 reason it's so effective to have stories in stories, to 1706 01:29:27.000 --> 01:29:29.880 have to have wisdom or information communicated in that style, 1707 01:29:30.119 --> 01:29:33.119 whether or not a specific person ever actually lived. You 1708 01:29:33.239 --> 01:29:35.720 make it more personal, like, hey, here's a guy, he's 1709 01:29:35.800 --> 01:29:38.159 just like you. Here's the situation he was in. You 1710 01:29:38.279 --> 01:29:41.439 might encounter this situation. Here's what he did, and here's 1711 01:29:41.479 --> 01:29:44.159 the consequences. And sometimes this is where you get some 1712 01:29:44.199 --> 01:29:47.199 people who are like the anti theist crowd. They're like, oh, yeah, 1713 01:29:47.239 --> 01:29:48.800 well what about the parts of the Bible where they 1714 01:29:48.840 --> 01:29:51.199 did bad things. I'm like, well, that was bad, and 1715 01:29:51.439 --> 01:29:53.640 you should learn from those stories too. Maybe you don't 1716 01:29:53.680 --> 01:29:55.760 want to be that guy doing that thing because look 1717 01:29:55.760 --> 01:29:57.319 how it turned out for him. That's not so good, 1718 01:29:57.680 --> 01:29:59.640 and look how he hurt people around him. So yeah, 1719 01:29:59.640 --> 01:30:02.600 it's not all an instruction booklet of examples to follow. 1720 01:30:02.680 --> 01:30:06.000 It is very often examples not to follow. And I'm 1721 01:30:06.039 --> 01:30:07.319 it's not there because I'm out of words, but. 1722 01:30:07.479 --> 01:30:09.119 But no, I mean those are all my thoughts. 1723 01:30:09.239 --> 01:30:13.239 Yeah, yeah. Cautionary Tales Grimm's Fairy Tales Full of them. 1724 01:30:13.279 --> 01:30:15.920 That's another book I hope to write some days, A 1725 01:30:15.960 --> 01:30:17.920 Wizard's Guide to Grimm's fairy Tales. What do these stories 1726 01:30:17.960 --> 01:30:19.960 actually mean? What is Hansel and Gretel about? 1727 01:30:20.520 --> 01:30:23.199 I mean, yeah, there's that's I mean, you know, as 1728 01:30:23.359 --> 01:30:28.640 a European, as a Germanic European, you know, that's how 1729 01:30:28.720 --> 01:30:31.600 we preserved a lot of the stories of our ancestors. 1730 01:30:31.680 --> 01:30:33.880 It's how we preserved a lot of the stories of 1731 01:30:34.079 --> 01:30:37.319 the lance. We wrote them or weave them into these, 1732 01:30:37.560 --> 01:30:40.600 you know, fantastical stories. But again, you know, there are 1733 01:30:40.720 --> 01:30:43.520 lessons in those. Did have something Gretel really exists? Did 1734 01:30:43.640 --> 01:30:45.520 they get lost in the woods and fight, found a 1735 01:30:45.600 --> 01:30:46.880 gingerbread house and all of that. 1736 01:30:47.600 --> 01:30:49.920 No one expects them to have really existed. Isn't that 1737 01:30:50.000 --> 01:30:52.880 funny too? They're like, the story is still meaningful, even 1738 01:30:52.920 --> 01:30:55.840 if that's pure fiction exactly. Then they look at other 1739 01:30:55.880 --> 01:30:57.399 religious texts and they're like, no, no, it has to 1740 01:30:57.479 --> 01:30:59.720 be real, it has to be Yeah, you know, are 1741 01:30:59.800 --> 01:31:03.199 we comparing the grim Tales to the Bible? 1742 01:31:03.399 --> 01:31:05.319 Are we on that level of heresy? 1743 01:31:07.079 --> 01:31:09.560 Yeah? Yeah, I think I am cool. I think they 1744 01:31:09.680 --> 01:31:13.319 both now now they I think it would be fascinating 1745 01:31:13.359 --> 01:31:15.279 and I would love to see someone do this. Let's 1746 01:31:15.279 --> 01:31:17.720 take a biblical scholar and a and a and a 1747 01:31:17.840 --> 01:31:22.920 folklore scholar, get them together and have them find other 1748 01:31:23.159 --> 01:31:27.520 stories that teach the same lesson as the biblical stories. 1749 01:31:27.840 --> 01:31:31.479 And here's another form of that story, and and where 1750 01:31:31.640 --> 01:31:36.000 perhaps two independent and and and in some degrees. Joseph 1751 01:31:36.039 --> 01:31:38.000 Campbell did this with the with the Hero's journey here 1752 01:31:38.039 --> 01:31:40.520 with a thousand faces. He said, here's the same elements 1753 01:31:40.520 --> 01:31:43.439 across different traditions, but this is more specific to the 1754 01:31:43.479 --> 01:31:45.800 idea of the Bible, saying, you know, this wisdom exists, 1755 01:31:45.880 --> 01:31:48.680 and other people came to the same conclusion because it's 1756 01:31:49.560 --> 01:31:53.399 a real pattern that reoccurs in human life as we go, 1757 01:31:53.680 --> 01:31:56.600 as we age, as we struggle against the world. That 1758 01:31:56.640 --> 01:31:57.520 would be fascinating. 1759 01:31:57.720 --> 01:31:59.800 I would love to host a debate like that. I 1760 01:32:00.039 --> 01:32:04.800 actually know of someone, a writer who has a master's 1761 01:32:04.840 --> 01:32:08.880 in folklore, and. 1762 01:32:08.880 --> 01:32:10.600 I would say the idea. Maybe wouldn't be a debate, 1763 01:32:10.680 --> 01:32:14.760 but it would be like a collaborative effort to identify similarities. 1764 01:32:15.560 --> 01:32:17.600 And now the debates are fun too, but it can 1765 01:32:17.640 --> 01:32:20.119 also be like, let's explore the subject and try and 1766 01:32:20.159 --> 01:32:24.319 figure out how where these things overlap and I would 1767 01:32:24.359 --> 01:32:26.359 say the biblical scholars could say, well, see that just 1768 01:32:26.479 --> 01:32:28.800 validates the Bible is true because other people came to 1769 01:32:28.840 --> 01:32:32.520 the same conclusion. And the folklorist could say, you know, 1770 01:32:32.920 --> 01:32:35.439 maybe the Bible has some truth in it because I 1771 01:32:35.520 --> 01:32:38.399 think these stories are valuable because they teach a lesson. 1772 01:32:38.600 --> 01:32:41.520 Here's another book teaching a similar lesson. Kind of building 1773 01:32:41.560 --> 01:32:44.079 that bridge too, Oh, Matt, I would that would be 1774 01:32:44.119 --> 01:32:44.439 kind of fun. 1775 01:32:44.520 --> 01:32:45.479 I would love to host. 1776 01:32:45.520 --> 01:32:46.880 I help Peo pull that together. Yeah, do it? 1777 01:32:47.600 --> 01:32:48.880 Link be so cool. 1778 01:32:49.119 --> 01:32:50.039 We'll see, we'll see. 1779 01:32:50.159 --> 01:32:52.439 It's going to be such a long term project, though, 1780 01:32:53.119 --> 01:32:55.960 he could be. That'll be awesome. Kind of going back 1781 01:32:56.000 --> 01:32:58.840 to the you know, the the cold stuff. 1782 01:33:00.640 --> 01:33:01.840 Yeah, I derail that real quick. 1783 01:33:01.880 --> 01:33:04.000 Sorry, No, I mean due. You went on in Atlantis 1784 01:33:04.039 --> 01:33:04.640 and I'm like, oh. 1785 01:33:04.720 --> 01:33:07.680 That is okay, right, So do I think Atlantis is real? Yeah, 1786 01:33:07.720 --> 01:33:10.439 it's probably one of my cookiest beliefs. And reincarnation probably 1787 01:33:10.520 --> 01:33:12.840 real too. But anyway, yeah, I mean sure. 1788 01:33:13.039 --> 01:33:16.399 But like as you said that, you know, Christianity started 1789 01:33:16.439 --> 01:33:19.359 out as a cult, Islam started out as a cult mythraism. 1790 01:33:19.479 --> 01:33:23.680 I know a follower of Mithras. I guess it's still 1791 01:33:23.840 --> 01:33:25.520 kind of considered a cold. 1792 01:33:26.359 --> 01:33:29.119 They do refer to it in historical documents anyways, the 1793 01:33:29.159 --> 01:33:31.439 Cult of Mythris, Yeah exactly. It's kind of like it's 1794 01:33:31.479 --> 01:33:33.199 a proper title in a way. Yeah. 1795 01:33:33.279 --> 01:33:35.760 Sure. But like if you think of modern day cults, 1796 01:33:35.840 --> 01:33:38.239 you know, the ones that we've all heard about from 1797 01:33:38.600 --> 01:33:40.279 our favorite here. 1798 01:33:40.199 --> 01:33:42.000 The cat didn't mean to snort into the mic. I 1799 01:33:42.039 --> 01:33:43.840 mean it makes me think of Heaven's Gate. I mean that's, 1800 01:33:44.319 --> 01:33:46.680 for exople the Marshall Apple White and then a bunch 1801 01:33:46.680 --> 01:33:50.079 of kids castraight themselves and everyone commits suicides. That's yeah, 1802 01:33:50.119 --> 01:33:51.840 that's what we think of as a cult. That's not good. 1803 01:33:52.000 --> 01:33:54.319 That's no, no, absolutely not. And you know we we 1804 01:33:54.680 --> 01:33:57.279 we all know the stories. We all have our favorites, 1805 01:33:57.760 --> 01:34:01.520 you know true crime podcaster who yeah, you know, spoken 1806 01:34:01.560 --> 01:34:05.199 about a lot of those stories, my favorites. Just because 1807 01:34:05.279 --> 01:34:07.680 my my wife has become good friends with her. When 1808 01:34:07.760 --> 01:34:10.279 I after I had her on the podcast Brenda from 1809 01:34:10.399 --> 01:34:14.359 Horrifying History, m shut out, Brenda. We love you, you 1810 01:34:14.479 --> 01:34:17.760 good tim like you're shaking the whole damn dusk. 1811 01:34:17.960 --> 01:34:19.640 Yeah, I can hear the collar. 1812 01:34:19.960 --> 01:34:22.159 Yeah it's okay, Yeah, it was very thing why I 1813 01:34:22.199 --> 01:34:24.359 gave him the nickname tinkle, tinkle, tmy. 1814 01:34:25.119 --> 01:34:29.199 Ah, yep, does he have a bell on there? Or 1815 01:34:29.359 --> 01:34:31.119 is it just the metal on the collar tinking? 1816 01:34:31.439 --> 01:34:31.479 No? 1817 01:34:32.039 --> 01:34:33.039 No, let's see. 1818 01:34:33.119 --> 01:34:36.560 Can he has a I think I see a little bell? Yeah, 1819 01:34:36.560 --> 01:34:39.479 a little bell there it is? Yes, yeah, Well that's 1820 01:34:39.560 --> 01:34:41.359 one way to help you not trip over them. I 1821 01:34:41.399 --> 01:34:44.640 swear these cats are trying to kill me. They want 1822 01:34:44.640 --> 01:34:45.760 to cut to the They want to cut to the 1823 01:34:45.800 --> 01:34:47.399 part where I die alone and they can eat my 1824 01:34:47.439 --> 01:34:48.319 eyeballs or something. 1825 01:34:49.359 --> 01:34:52.159 It's he it's good nurture, right, you know. 1826 01:34:52.279 --> 01:34:54.720 And honestly, if they were trapped and nothing to eat, 1827 01:34:54.720 --> 01:34:56.439 I would want them to eat my corpse. I wouldn't 1828 01:34:56.439 --> 01:34:58.159 wouldn't bother me at all. I'm dead at that point, 1829 01:34:58.319 --> 01:35:01.560 so I would go go bonapetite a little little bit. Anyway. 1830 01:35:01.800 --> 01:35:05.000 They're roothless, yeah, yeah. 1831 01:35:05.000 --> 01:35:07.359 And as much as they nuzzle on us and love us, 1832 01:35:07.399 --> 01:35:09.880 and and I think to a degree, consider us just 1833 01:35:09.960 --> 01:35:12.560 big dumb cats that really can't You can't even lick 1834 01:35:12.600 --> 01:35:14.479 your own butt. How do you take care of yourself? 1835 01:35:14.520 --> 01:35:16.960 You know, you don't even hunt? How are you not 1836 01:35:17.119 --> 01:35:17.600 dead yet? 1837 01:35:18.199 --> 01:35:20.760 Right exactly? And that's sometimes that's why they bring us 1838 01:35:20.760 --> 01:35:22.800 a little little mice and whatnot. They're like, they're trying 1839 01:35:22.880 --> 01:35:24.960 to feed us like we feed them, you know. Yeah, 1840 01:35:26.119 --> 01:35:27.720 but still when when it comes down to it and 1841 01:35:27.760 --> 01:35:29.439 they're like, well that's meat. 1842 01:35:29.720 --> 01:35:29.880 You know. 1843 01:35:30.239 --> 01:35:34.960 I love he was alive, but he's. 1844 01:35:34.000 --> 01:35:40.239 Not getting me any He's not responding, you know, nibble nothing, yeah, 1845 01:35:40.800 --> 01:35:41.680 bite nothing. 1846 01:35:41.800 --> 01:35:43.319 I think eyeball time. 1847 01:35:44.560 --> 01:35:49.520 And you know, if you know, if if that's well, 1848 01:35:49.640 --> 01:35:52.600 there's a saying in Dutch the ansidodes on those of broats, 1849 01:35:52.720 --> 01:35:56.159 and it like literally means, you know, one man's death, 1850 01:35:56.159 --> 01:35:58.439 that is none of the men's life. So yeah, if 1851 01:35:58.520 --> 01:36:00.640 that's if that's the same for ours, why not? 1852 01:36:01.800 --> 01:36:03.520 Oh yeah? And I also love that phrase too, like 1853 01:36:03.600 --> 01:36:08.000 one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. It's like 1854 01:36:08.039 --> 01:36:11.000 what do you believe? What is your what side of 1855 01:36:11.000 --> 01:36:12.760 an issue are you on? And then that defines some 1856 01:36:12.880 --> 01:36:16.600 of these things exactly. Anyway, No, what we do real 1857 01:36:17.800 --> 01:36:19.199 all over the place. I don't even know what we're 1858 01:36:19.199 --> 01:36:21.439 talking about. We're talking about stories or something. Yeah. 1859 01:36:21.520 --> 01:36:26.119 No, the the cults, oh yes, yes, yes, those those leaders, 1860 01:36:26.520 --> 01:36:31.760 they are often worshiped as gods, and like, yeah, you 1861 01:36:31.880 --> 01:36:34.399 could you know, do the strong man argument, like oh, 1862 01:36:34.520 --> 01:36:36.479 but that's you know, because all of those people are 1863 01:36:36.960 --> 01:36:40.600 you know, they're they're brainwashed and everything got taken from them, 1864 01:36:40.760 --> 01:36:44.800 and you know their their leader keeps everything from them. Yeah, 1865 01:36:44.960 --> 01:36:49.960 that that may be so, but they're still worshiped as 1866 01:36:50.520 --> 01:36:55.800 gods or you know, as messengers of a certain higher being, 1867 01:36:56.039 --> 01:36:59.680 whether that be you know, aliens or you know God. 1868 01:37:00.199 --> 01:37:02.159 Often it's it's God, like, oh yeah, I can talk 1869 01:37:02.239 --> 01:37:05.319 to God like wow, really yeah? And he said give 1870 01:37:05.359 --> 01:37:08.880 me all your money and your wife's you sure? He 1871 01:37:09.000 --> 01:37:12.520 said that hosting like, you're questioning me, your messenger of 1872 01:37:12.560 --> 01:37:13.960 good Oh no, no, sorry, sorry. 1873 01:37:14.079 --> 01:37:17.279 You know you're not becoming a toxic personality, are you? 1874 01:37:17.399 --> 01:37:18.880 You're not questioning the word of God? 1875 01:37:19.600 --> 01:37:19.640 No. 1876 01:37:20.159 --> 01:37:21.680 I listened to I listened to a guy on the 1877 01:37:21.720 --> 01:37:24.800 internet who he describes it this way himself. He says, 1878 01:37:24.840 --> 01:37:27.960 he escaped from the Jehovah's Witness cult and he started 1879 01:37:28.039 --> 01:37:31.479 realizing that a lot of the tactics they use to 1880 01:37:31.760 --> 01:37:36.239 keep their membership in line and from leaving or from questioning. 1881 01:37:36.600 --> 01:37:39.920 He notices that. So after he left, he started noticing 1882 01:37:40.319 --> 01:37:42.439 the mainstream media does a lot of the same thing. 1883 01:37:42.520 --> 01:37:43.920 They use a lot of the same tactics. 1884 01:37:45.760 --> 01:37:45.880 Uh. 1885 01:37:46.520 --> 01:37:51.640 An example he gave last night was news commentator said, 1886 01:37:51.800 --> 01:37:54.720 we're just learning from the New York Times, and he pausited, 1887 01:37:54.760 --> 01:37:57.680 and he said, this is like when the elders of 1888 01:37:57.720 --> 01:38:00.279 my church would come back and say, you know, we're 1889 01:38:00.520 --> 01:38:03.279 just learning from the governing board, or we're just learning 1890 01:38:03.359 --> 01:38:07.039 from the watchtowered. It's like, you mean, the people you 1891 01:38:07.159 --> 01:38:10.359 choose to believe told you something, and now you're saying 1892 01:38:10.600 --> 01:38:14.439 sharing it with us, as this is incontrovertible truth. It's 1893 01:38:14.640 --> 01:38:17.439 just truth that we're learning the truth by listening to 1894 01:38:17.520 --> 01:38:19.800 these people. And then he noticed the news media does 1895 01:38:19.880 --> 01:38:22.199 that too, and it's like, now, wait a minute, Well, 1896 01:38:22.399 --> 01:38:24.600 why would I trust the New York Times. Why would 1897 01:38:24.640 --> 01:38:26.880 you say we could learn anything from those people if 1898 01:38:26.960 --> 01:38:28.359 I think they're not a good source. 1899 01:38:29.000 --> 01:38:33.359 Isn't that also like kind of one big cult telling 1900 01:38:33.479 --> 01:38:35.800 us what to think, how to think, what to believe. 1901 01:38:35.840 --> 01:38:39.239 They're telling us, you know, going back to the comments, 1902 01:38:39.279 --> 01:38:41.520 what you said, but freedom fighter and terrorists, they're telling 1903 01:38:41.640 --> 01:38:45.760 us those people are terrorists. You know, they're not freedom fighters, 1904 01:38:45.800 --> 01:38:50.119 they're terrorists because exactly they're against us, they go against 1905 01:38:50.279 --> 01:38:56.119 our values. Well guess what to those people, you're the terrorists. 1906 01:38:56.399 --> 01:38:56.560 You know. 1907 01:38:56.800 --> 01:38:58.680 Yeah, and that leads to a lot of things where 1908 01:38:58.680 --> 01:39:01.760 there's you know, double standards of like, well, it's not 1909 01:39:02.319 --> 01:39:05.399 bad when we do it. It's the same behavior, but 1910 01:39:05.520 --> 01:39:09.159 it's a good thing when our side enacts that behavior. 1911 01:39:09.279 --> 01:39:10.840 And that also made me think of the cult thing too. 1912 01:39:10.920 --> 01:39:17.159 It's like whether whether someone has achieved a rational true belief, 1913 01:39:17.479 --> 01:39:20.680 true true in the honest, honestly arrived at a rational 1914 01:39:20.760 --> 01:39:23.680 belief in something, or they've been tricked into it, the 1915 01:39:23.800 --> 01:39:28.039 behavioral result is the same. They act in accordance with 1916 01:39:28.159 --> 01:39:30.880 that belief. However they arrived at that belief. So in 1917 01:39:30.960 --> 01:39:35.039 some ways, it doesn't matter how a person arrived at 1918 01:39:35.079 --> 01:39:36.840 the at a belief there, it's it's the fact that 1919 01:39:36.920 --> 01:39:40.000 they do believe that then governs and dictates their behavior. Well, 1920 01:39:40.039 --> 01:39:41.640 this is the right thing to do, because that's what 1921 01:39:41.760 --> 01:39:43.920 I believe is the right thing to do. In some 1922 01:39:44.000 --> 01:39:46.520 ways a circular thing, but that gets that gets off 1923 01:39:46.520 --> 01:39:48.159 into a whole nother branch of like, well how much 1924 01:39:48.199 --> 01:39:51.039 should we question everything? Because even the people that are 1925 01:39:51.119 --> 01:39:55.760 like the most skeptical or paranoid, And that became a 1926 01:39:55.880 --> 01:39:57.760 mantra and I think it was out of the sixties. 1927 01:39:57.880 --> 01:40:02.039 Question everything. I means, don't just blindly accept traditions as 1928 01:40:02.159 --> 01:40:06.000 necessarily correct just because they're traditions. And then you got 1929 01:40:06.039 --> 01:40:08.359 that that this is another one of those aphorisms where 1930 01:40:08.399 --> 01:40:13.640 it's like, okay, it's ninety nine. You can't actually question everything. 1931 01:40:14.319 --> 01:40:17.760 There are too many things to question. So it's a 1932 01:40:18.079 --> 01:40:21.800 command that is impossible to fulfill. What they mean when 1933 01:40:21.840 --> 01:40:24.319 you narrow it down more is like, just because someone 1934 01:40:24.399 --> 01:40:27.920 told you something, don't swallow it unquestioningly. Yeah, you know, 1935 01:40:28.039 --> 01:40:29.600 you've still got to brain use it. 1936 01:40:29.920 --> 01:40:32.399 That kind of thing exactly, you know, and especially with 1937 01:40:32.800 --> 01:40:35.720 you know, authority figures. You know, like we're talking about 1938 01:40:35.800 --> 01:40:38.840 cold leaders. They are, you know, pretty much authority figures. 1939 01:40:39.079 --> 01:40:41.960 Yeah, like they've set themselves up as the ultimate authority. 1940 01:40:41.640 --> 01:40:45.560 Over you or your group exactly. Oftentimes you know, also 1941 01:40:46.079 --> 01:40:49.600 just answering to another higher authority because you. 1942 01:40:49.600 --> 01:40:52.319 Know, to me, God said, God, yeah, I don't want 1943 01:40:52.319 --> 01:40:54.199 to do this. I'm just like you. I'm just I 1944 01:40:54.199 --> 01:40:56.720 don't really want to sleep with your wife. But I mean, God, Scott, 1945 01:40:57.119 --> 01:40:58.840 can't this a big God? What are you gonna do? 1946 01:40:59.680 --> 01:40:59.720 You? 1947 01:41:00.079 --> 01:41:03.800 It's you. It sucks sucks to be me. It also 1948 01:41:03.920 --> 01:41:05.680 sucks to be what with me? What with me? 1949 01:41:06.119 --> 01:41:07.399 I don't really want to do your. 1950 01:41:09.000 --> 01:41:11.760 Sure, no, and then you have I believe it was 1951 01:41:11.800 --> 01:41:14.520 also the New York Times or at least some major 1952 01:41:14.600 --> 01:41:17.760 publication in the believe that was during COVID times that 1953 01:41:17.880 --> 01:41:22.520 they literally put out an article like saying, don't do 1954 01:41:22.720 --> 01:41:23.760 your own research. 1955 01:41:24.039 --> 01:41:29.199 Oh, I know, I hate that. I saw that. That's unbelievable. 1956 01:41:29.279 --> 01:41:33.159 Are you fucking kidding me? You're not, But we are exactly, 1957 01:41:33.319 --> 01:41:38.079 you know, you're you're literally telling the people just listen 1958 01:41:38.199 --> 01:41:42.159 to us. We know the truth. You know, we are 1959 01:41:42.359 --> 01:41:49.399 the established press. We are the truth. You know, just 1960 01:41:49.560 --> 01:41:54.119 like the what what they've been saying and sometimes still 1961 01:41:54.159 --> 01:41:56.520 are saying, you know, the science is settled. 1962 01:41:57.680 --> 01:41:58.399 No, it's not. 1963 01:41:58.720 --> 01:42:04.279 That goes against what's allience is. You have questioned everything. 1964 01:42:04.600 --> 01:42:05.800 Science is science. 1965 01:42:06.600 --> 01:42:09.359 He's like, yeah, okay, even answers you think you understand, 1966 01:42:09.520 --> 01:42:11.920 question it again, look at it from a different angle. Exactly. 1967 01:42:12.000 --> 01:42:14.840 You know, you can't spend your entire life every single 1968 01:42:14.920 --> 01:42:18.119 day repeating the same experiment, because then you'll never eat 1969 01:42:18.359 --> 01:42:20.840 or sleep or you know, move on to other maybe 1970 01:42:20.920 --> 01:42:23.119 more important or useful things. There's all, there's all the 1971 01:42:23.159 --> 01:42:25.760 big balancing act with that whole thing. But yeah, that's 1972 01:42:26.079 --> 01:42:28.560 I don't think anything did more to ruin excuse me, 1973 01:42:28.720 --> 01:42:31.760 ruin the credibility of the concept of an expert more 1974 01:42:31.840 --> 01:42:35.600 than the COVID years. You know that that they being 1975 01:42:35.720 --> 01:42:39.239 told so many things officially, factually, and if you don't agree, 1976 01:42:39.359 --> 01:42:43.720 you are censored. That's a big problem now. And then 1977 01:42:43.760 --> 01:42:47.079 now we've got what is it recently jd Vance, vice 1978 01:42:47.119 --> 01:42:50.119 President of the US, went to Europe and he's like, hey, guys, 1979 01:42:50.199 --> 01:42:52.159 we don't think it's good that you're censoring people. We 1980 01:42:52.239 --> 01:42:55.640 believe in free political speech, so maybe don't do that. 1981 01:42:56.239 --> 01:42:59.159 And then we had an American commentator on a Sunday 1982 01:42:59.159 --> 01:43:01.680 morning show talking to Marco Rubio, the Secretary of State, 1983 01:43:02.319 --> 01:43:04.600 and she was telling him, you know, it was free 1984 01:43:04.640 --> 01:43:07.079 speech in Germany that led to the Holocaust, And I'm like, 1985 01:43:08.800 --> 01:43:13.159 are you That's not what happened at all. And that's 1986 01:43:13.319 --> 01:43:16.920 just they started with this idea of we we are correct, 1987 01:43:17.039 --> 01:43:20.039 we must control the narrative or millions of people will 1988 01:43:20.039 --> 01:43:23.119 be genocided. And I'm like, you should be taken off 1989 01:43:23.159 --> 01:43:25.119 the air. You are a dangerous person. I get to 1990 01:43:25.199 --> 01:43:27.960 silence you because I think letting you speak is going 1991 01:43:28.079 --> 01:43:32.159 to destroy the world. Wow, that's number one. Talk about 1992 01:43:32.159 --> 01:43:36.600 an ego, but just the idea that someone would promulgate 1993 01:43:36.680 --> 01:43:39.279 that idea that maybe there's people listening out there who go, oh, yeah, 1994 01:43:39.319 --> 01:43:41.279 if we want to avoid another holocaust, we have to 1995 01:43:41.560 --> 01:43:45.640 take away people's free speech. Like that's the worst possible 1996 01:43:45.680 --> 01:43:47.399 thing you could do. Of course, I believe that's the 1997 01:43:47.439 --> 01:43:49.920 worst possible thing you could do. Maybe you agree, she doesn't. 1998 01:43:50.119 --> 01:43:52.079 She's a kind of person who's like, yes, I should 1999 01:43:52.119 --> 01:43:54.199 be I should decide what you are allowed to say. 2000 01:43:54.279 --> 01:43:59.359 Is so leap to me. That's I mean, that's almost 2001 01:43:59.520 --> 01:44:02.960 like indios manic, you know, delusions that she needs to 2002 01:44:03.000 --> 01:44:03.680 be in a hospital. 2003 01:44:03.760 --> 01:44:08.319 It's that is talkingtive dissonance, that that should be studied, 2004 01:44:09.399 --> 01:44:12.880 that should be It gets sam into the most minute 2005 01:44:13.640 --> 01:44:15.159 detail is freedom of speech. 2006 01:44:15.239 --> 01:44:17.319 That let yeah, I think that's one of the things 2007 01:44:17.399 --> 01:44:20.000 going wrong in Europe right now is you know, the 2008 01:44:20.119 --> 01:44:22.199 EU and and England and whatnot, is there's people who 2009 01:44:22.199 --> 01:44:24.840 are like, hey, we have problems in our society and 2010 01:44:24.920 --> 01:44:27.079 we want to talk about them, and the government says, 2011 01:44:27.239 --> 01:44:28.920 we think talking about him is a bad things. So 2012 01:44:29.039 --> 01:44:30.840 we're gonna kind of tell you not to do that 2013 01:44:31.000 --> 01:44:33.359 and maybe put you in there, and you're gonna get 2014 01:44:33.359 --> 01:44:35.359 it talking to by the police, and I'm like, that 2015 01:44:35.560 --> 01:44:39.159 is happening. Unfortunately it's it's not. 2016 01:44:39.800 --> 01:44:41.920 You know, I I live in Europe. 2017 01:44:41.960 --> 01:44:44.960 I live under the rule of the eat you say, 2018 01:44:44.960 --> 01:44:48.119 I'm sorry, I'll try not to say anything to get 2019 01:44:48.119 --> 01:44:50.119 you in trouble. I'm an American. Fuck you. I do 2020 01:44:50.199 --> 01:44:52.600 what I want. Oh my government, My government will come 2021 01:44:52.600 --> 01:44:53.039 after me too. 2022 01:44:53.159 --> 01:44:55.800 America, nutshell, fuck you. I do what it wants, what 2023 01:44:55.920 --> 01:44:56.840 I want, what I want. 2024 01:44:56.880 --> 01:44:57.039 You know. 2025 01:44:57.279 --> 01:44:59.159 Speaking of that though, and I come cutting you off again, 2026 01:44:59.199 --> 01:45:01.600 but I want to to Okay what Trump is doing. 2027 01:45:01.680 --> 01:45:03.399 This got political. I don't know how I follow all 2028 01:45:03.439 --> 01:45:03.840 this stuff. 2029 01:45:03.840 --> 01:45:06.640 And I it's fine, you know, talking about cults, that's pretty. 2030 01:45:06.479 --> 01:45:09.439 Much a cult, no for sure. Yeah, yeah, America the cult. 2031 01:45:10.039 --> 01:45:12.079 We are cults of freedom and guns. 2032 01:45:12.399 --> 01:45:14.600 It's her new novel, America the Cult. 2033 01:45:15.319 --> 01:45:19.840 Yes, there you go. But the idea of I think 2034 01:45:19.880 --> 01:45:22.520 America has become hated around the world because we let 2035 01:45:22.640 --> 01:45:26.640 our administrative state bloat, and that bloat turned into things 2036 01:45:26.720 --> 01:45:30.840 like USAID, where we're sending money to open up programs 2037 01:45:30.920 --> 01:45:34.319 in other people's countries and try and influence their politics 2038 01:45:34.359 --> 01:45:37.319 and change the way. Now there's Americans who are like look, 2039 01:45:37.359 --> 01:45:39.560 if we don't use our soft power, who are we 2040 01:45:39.720 --> 01:45:41.920 giving the world over to? Are we giving it to China, 2041 01:45:41.960 --> 01:45:44.039 We're giving it to Russia? Whatever. But but yeah, I 2042 01:45:44.079 --> 01:45:45.800 see you shaking your heads like I'm I'm of the 2043 01:45:45.880 --> 01:45:48.680 opinion we shouldn't be fucking around in foreign countries like this. 2044 01:45:48.960 --> 01:45:52.840 I'm America. I'm American. I do what I want in America. 2045 01:45:53.000 --> 01:45:56.279 I should not be doing what I want in your country. Yeah, 2046 01:45:56.520 --> 01:45:59.319 none of my damn business. Even if, hey, you wanna 2047 01:45:59.520 --> 01:46:01.479 I offer you friendship, you want to be better friends 2048 01:46:01.520 --> 01:46:04.520 with China? Maybe you just you believe more of what 2049 01:46:04.640 --> 01:46:06.640 they believe you you think it's a better deal for you. 2050 01:46:07.199 --> 01:46:09.319 I shouldn't then go in there and say, well, I 2051 01:46:09.359 --> 01:46:11.760 guess you're not in power anymore because I'm the US 2052 01:46:11.840 --> 01:46:13.439 and I do what I want. And now, hey, look 2053 01:46:13.479 --> 01:46:15.399 at this friendly guy. We're gonna put him in power. 2054 01:46:15.479 --> 01:46:17.000 I don't think we should be doing that. I don't 2055 01:46:17.000 --> 01:46:18.079 feel good about it. I don't like it. 2056 01:46:18.199 --> 01:46:21.319 I don't want That's my fuck. 2057 01:46:21.199 --> 01:46:24.000 You attitude is is very much limited to my own borders. 2058 01:46:24.000 --> 01:46:26.199 I don't think we should be exporting freedom around the world, 2059 01:46:26.960 --> 01:46:30.039 you know, under bombardment. That's just I think that's what. 2060 01:46:30.720 --> 01:46:32.359 I can't believe we spent the last year, twenty some 2061 01:46:32.399 --> 01:46:36.279 odd years invading and occupying Middle Eastern countries. I just 2062 01:46:37.000 --> 01:46:38.760 I wish none of that ever happened. That's all wrong. 2063 01:46:38.840 --> 01:46:40.960 I don't I don't agree with that. I don't like it. Well, 2064 01:46:41.399 --> 01:46:43.720 and many getting more sticky wickets, like what do you 2065 01:46:43.760 --> 01:46:45.680 do with Ukraine and Israel? I don't know. I don't know. 2066 01:46:45.840 --> 01:46:47.239 That's I try to stay out of that one too, 2067 01:46:47.359 --> 01:46:50.279 just because like, yeah, can I wish they both kill 2068 01:46:50.319 --> 01:46:52.760 each other and we don't worry about it anymore? You 2069 01:46:52.800 --> 01:46:55.840 can't say that, but I can. I can. I wonder 2070 01:46:55.880 --> 01:46:57.159 if that's what I should wish. 2071 01:46:57.600 --> 01:47:00.720 We can do, like a whole separate show. Just those well, I. 2072 01:47:00.720 --> 01:47:02.880 Wish they would get along. I wish nobody died and 2073 01:47:02.920 --> 01:47:05.479 everybody got along. That's not the case. I wish it 2074 01:47:05.600 --> 01:47:07.239 was the case. So I don't know what this is about. 2075 01:47:07.239 --> 01:47:11.119 Beautiful wish and I'm sure you'll win Miss America with 2076 01:47:11.239 --> 01:47:11.560 that one. 2077 01:47:12.199 --> 01:47:15.720 There's an interesting idea. Now, Okay, Trump speaking Trump, he's 2078 01:47:15.800 --> 01:47:18.760 he's he's talked about wanting to buy Greenland, and yeah, 2079 01:47:19.079 --> 01:47:22.239 no one, no one knows if he's serious and that's 2080 01:47:22.399 --> 01:47:26.239 part of his Madman strategies. Is he serious about that? 2081 01:47:26.479 --> 01:47:28.479 Is he what is he doing? We don't know, So 2082 01:47:28.560 --> 01:47:30.680 he's like he leaves it vay crazy enough to try. 2083 01:47:30.920 --> 01:47:32.960 He's he's a bit of a crazy man. Well, then 2084 01:47:33.000 --> 01:47:34.840 it comes to the idea of well, we're just gonna 2085 01:47:34.880 --> 01:47:36.920 you know, we're gonna own Gaza. We'll just take it 2086 01:47:37.039 --> 01:47:39.039 because we're American and we paid for the war anyway, 2087 01:47:39.039 --> 01:47:41.279 you know, send them millions of dollars. I like that 2088 01:47:41.560 --> 01:47:44.319 as a Madman strategy in some ways of like, look, 2089 01:47:44.359 --> 01:47:46.279 if you guys don't figure it out, we're fucking taking 2090 01:47:46.359 --> 01:47:46.920 the toy away. 2091 01:47:47.079 --> 01:47:49.680 We can't have it on some Marvel doctor evil shit. 2092 01:47:49.880 --> 01:47:50.000 You know. 2093 01:47:50.319 --> 01:47:53.600 Yeah, maybe so. But it's also like it's it's a 2094 01:47:53.720 --> 01:47:55.640 threat hanging over their heads of like what we better 2095 01:47:55.680 --> 01:47:58.520 figure this out or he might be serious. The other 2096 01:47:58.640 --> 01:48:00.840 side of the coin is what if he was serious 2097 01:48:01.000 --> 01:48:04.359 and we did turn Gaza, say, into the Riviera of 2098 01:48:04.439 --> 01:48:07.560 the Middle East, and it was full of luxury hotels, beautiful, 2099 01:48:07.680 --> 01:48:11.359 peaceful city life and apartments, no more terrorism and whatnot, 2100 01:48:11.520 --> 01:48:13.560 and then the people that they let back in are 2101 01:48:13.640 --> 01:48:17.279 vetted to not be Hamas. Then all the Palestinians get 2102 01:48:17.279 --> 01:48:19.039 to come back and live in a paradise and they 2103 01:48:19.079 --> 01:48:21.640 don't have to come have the terrorists come back with them. 2104 01:48:21.840 --> 01:48:24.960 Now do I advocate that? Not necessarily. I don't have 2105 01:48:24.960 --> 01:48:27.039 all the pieces worked out, but that thought came to 2106 01:48:27.159 --> 01:48:29.800 my mind of like, what if that was the outcome, 2107 01:48:29.840 --> 01:48:32.319 would that be actually a pretty good thing? I don't know. 2108 01:48:32.560 --> 01:48:34.119 I don't know, but I want to throw it out there. 2109 01:48:34.119 --> 01:48:35.800 It's just on the internet of like, it may not 2110 01:48:35.920 --> 01:48:40.920 be such a bad idea. If he's serious, that's fucked up, 2111 01:48:40.920 --> 01:48:42.199 because that's actually. 2112 01:48:43.520 --> 01:48:44.520 That's actually pretty good. 2113 01:48:44.720 --> 01:48:47.680 Like if that's as an outcome, it's not bad. That's 2114 01:48:47.720 --> 01:48:49.840 what I'm saying. You know, I don't like the process. 2115 01:48:49.960 --> 01:48:52.479 But then as an outcome of like millions of civilians 2116 01:48:52.560 --> 01:48:54.039 get to come back in and live in peace, not 2117 01:48:54.199 --> 01:48:57.359 ruled by Hamas, not living in a war zone, and 2118 01:48:57.680 --> 01:49:00.359 everyone's just chill, and we can put this whole what's 2119 01:49:00.399 --> 01:49:02.960 seventy eighty years of people trying to destroy Israel. Put 2120 01:49:03.000 --> 01:49:04.760 that to bed. No more. We don't do that anymore. 2121 01:49:05.640 --> 01:49:08.600 We'll just make it another like tourist attraction in the 2122 01:49:08.640 --> 01:49:11.560 Middle East. I mean, it has all the people who 2123 01:49:11.680 --> 01:49:15.600 live right there and you know, have a beautiful I've 2124 01:49:15.640 --> 01:49:19.720 been to Egypt. They are you know, they are beautiful countries. 2125 01:49:19.800 --> 01:49:24.600 It is a beautiful, beautiful culture. So if we can, 2126 01:49:24.720 --> 01:49:27.600 you know, like make it a little more more touristy, 2127 01:49:27.680 --> 01:49:29.239 there's more money in that as well. 2128 01:49:30.800 --> 01:49:32.479 Oh yeah, yeah, I think one of the big thing 2129 01:49:32.560 --> 01:49:34.640 is just I mean, you can't have a neighbor who's 2130 01:49:34.640 --> 01:49:37.680 trying to kill you all the time and you know, 2131 01:49:38.000 --> 01:49:40.319 either one on either side. So we've got to put 2132 01:49:40.399 --> 01:49:43.199 that to bed. We've got to stop that conflict so 2133 01:49:43.239 --> 01:49:44.760 that no many more, no more people die. 2134 01:49:45.039 --> 01:49:47.239 Well, then what is America if not you know, the 2135 01:49:47.279 --> 01:49:49.199 big brother who's trying to kill you all the time. 2136 01:49:50.079 --> 01:49:52.039 Yeah, no, it's true. We don't really like what you 2137 01:49:52.079 --> 01:49:54.039 did there, so we're gonna bomb your country again. We 2138 01:49:54.079 --> 01:49:56.439 got to stop doing that. That's not good. That's not good. 2139 01:49:56.479 --> 01:49:58.359 We've got no leg to stand on when it comes 2140 01:49:58.399 --> 01:49:59.920 to that. Well, then you get people too who are like, 2141 01:50:00.720 --> 01:50:02.920 you know, when you try to say, hey, some of 2142 01:50:02.960 --> 01:50:05.079 the things America did might have led to the conflict 2143 01:50:05.119 --> 01:50:06.880 in Ukraine, and they're like, why do you hate America? 2144 01:50:06.880 --> 01:50:09.399 And I'm like, don't hate America. I'm not a fan 2145 01:50:09.479 --> 01:50:11.520 of my government. I think they've made mistakes. I think 2146 01:50:11.600 --> 01:50:14.239 we pushed some things that got us into trouble. We 2147 01:50:14.359 --> 01:50:17.239 provoked the response. There are people who, yeah, we'll say, 2148 01:50:17.239 --> 01:50:19.199 you just hate America and they can't. They can't do 2149 01:50:19.279 --> 01:50:21.640 American bad, American bad. But I live here, man, I 2150 01:50:21.720 --> 01:50:25.119 love it. It's not America bad, it's America. Quit fucking around, 2151 01:50:25.359 --> 01:50:26.520 stop it, stop it. 2152 01:50:27.279 --> 01:50:30.359 As a European I can, I can honestly say that, 2153 01:50:32.119 --> 01:50:35.760 you know, all the bullshit going on in America, it's 2154 01:50:36.039 --> 01:50:37.840 good entertainments. 2155 01:50:37.880 --> 01:50:41.399 Like that is yeah, yeah, yeah, Well he's hopefully he's 2156 01:50:41.479 --> 01:50:44.840 wrecking the piece of our government that fucks with other 2157 01:50:44.920 --> 01:50:47.800 people and then we all get along a lot better. 2158 01:50:48.079 --> 01:50:49.079 That's what I'm hoping for. 2159 01:50:49.960 --> 01:50:53.399 We can hope. But you know, we're we're watching in 2160 01:50:53.800 --> 01:50:56.159 the Netherlands, you know, watching from the outher side of 2161 01:50:56.199 --> 01:50:58.880 the ocean, like, oh my god, what the fuck is 2162 01:50:58.960 --> 01:50:59.479 he doing? 2163 01:51:00.840 --> 01:51:04.039 And meanwhile we're still watching. We're watching things like the UK, 2164 01:51:04.159 --> 01:51:07.239 where you know, Tommy Robinson is in solitary confinement because 2165 01:51:07.840 --> 01:51:12.920 he doesn't like the idea that certain immigrants are incompatible 2166 01:51:13.000 --> 01:51:17.159 with English life. If we put it politely, yeah, that's 2167 01:51:17.279 --> 01:51:20.159 very politely. It's very politely for the EU sensors. 2168 01:51:21.239 --> 01:51:23.800 That's the other thing too, just like way too brush. 2169 01:51:24.399 --> 01:51:28.199 Where So if America is going to use our soft 2170 01:51:28.399 --> 01:51:31.560 power and influence, I would like to see it put 2171 01:51:31.680 --> 01:51:36.039 pressure on the EU and Britain to be more open 2172 01:51:36.199 --> 01:51:41.720 to the first adopting a first Amendment approach to popular 2173 01:51:41.920 --> 01:51:44.600 or to political discussion openly and in public. 2174 01:51:44.680 --> 01:51:48.239 But we have that in like most at least western 2175 01:51:48.439 --> 01:51:51.840 European countries. I can't speak for you know, for the rest, 2176 01:51:52.399 --> 01:51:56.359 but we have freedom of speech. It's it's not just 2177 01:51:56.600 --> 01:51:59.800 an American thing. And that's that's also so funny with 2178 01:52:00.079 --> 01:52:02.960 you know, America and all of the things, all of 2179 01:52:03.000 --> 01:52:05.319 the rules and the constitutions, like, oh, but we have 2180 01:52:05.439 --> 01:52:10.720 constitutions because freedom of speech. And it's like, yeah, we 2181 01:52:10.920 --> 01:52:13.560 do too, but we don't have a constitution. It's just 2182 01:52:13.680 --> 01:52:16.760 it's it's in the law, you know, it's literally the 2183 01:52:16.960 --> 01:52:22.640 ground rules of our country that say you have freedom 2184 01:52:22.680 --> 01:52:23.119 of speech. 2185 01:52:24.199 --> 01:52:26.720 Nice and maybe some are better than others, I granted, 2186 01:52:26.960 --> 01:52:30.840 just I guess I look at the breadth dope of 2187 01:52:30.920 --> 01:52:35.199 American free speech and like, I think there's less than 2188 01:52:35.279 --> 01:52:38.479 the American total in Europe and maybe Europeans go you 2189 01:52:38.560 --> 01:52:41.000 guys go too far. You shouldn't be that free. And 2190 01:52:41.159 --> 01:52:42.640 I look at it the other way. I think Europe 2191 01:52:42.640 --> 01:52:44.760 should be more free. I think they should have America 2192 01:52:44.800 --> 01:52:47.640 we should have more rights to free speech, and Europe 2193 01:52:47.640 --> 01:52:49.319 should have that much more as well. 2194 01:52:49.439 --> 01:52:50.760 But America isn't free. 2195 01:52:51.439 --> 01:52:52.880 You're that's that's a lot of way. 2196 01:52:53.079 --> 01:52:55.399 That's that's the thing. If you look at it realistically, 2197 01:52:56.039 --> 01:52:59.560 you're not free. Like you know, the constitutions just this 2198 01:52:59.680 --> 01:53:03.840 and institution says that, yeah, great, is enforced. 2199 01:53:04.800 --> 01:53:06.960 Yep, No, that's a big problem. Well, we've got the 2200 01:53:07.239 --> 01:53:12.119 Second Amendment says shall not, shall not, shall not be infringed, 2201 01:53:12.359 --> 01:53:16.399 infringed in any way, little infringe, big infringe, shall not 2202 01:53:16.479 --> 01:53:18.640 be in. We've got tons of gun laws. Everywhere he 2203 01:53:18.680 --> 01:53:20.960 goes gun laws. Guns, you can't buy guns, you can't 2204 01:53:21.000 --> 01:53:24.600 take some certain places. Guns can't hide guns, you have 2205 01:53:24.760 --> 01:53:27.000 to you're only allowed to purchase if you have a 2206 01:53:27.079 --> 01:53:29.720 permit from the imagine you have to purchase a permit 2207 01:53:29.800 --> 01:53:32.199 from the government for free speech. That's what they're doing 2208 01:53:32.239 --> 01:53:34.119 with a gun. And it's a very simple shall not 2209 01:53:34.199 --> 01:53:37.079 be infringed government. You can't touch this. You can't. You 2210 01:53:37.199 --> 01:53:39.840 cannot pass a law They've passed hundreds of laws, and 2211 01:53:39.880 --> 01:53:42.279 I think they're all unconstitutional. I will still go to 2212 01:53:42.319 --> 01:53:44.119 prison if I don't follow them. So I can believe 2213 01:53:44.159 --> 01:53:46.079 whatever I want and I can say it, but I 2214 01:53:46.199 --> 01:53:48.439 can't can't violate it. And another thing to tell me, 2215 01:53:48.600 --> 01:53:52.000 just in terms of the extremity of speech, there are 2216 01:53:52.279 --> 01:53:55.199 limitations on say, free speech in America, where it's like, 2217 01:53:55.479 --> 01:54:00.439 you can't threaten to kill someone directly in a in 2218 01:54:00.479 --> 01:54:04.840 a imminent and believable fashion. You can't necessarily call for 2219 01:54:04.960 --> 01:54:07.239 the extermination of an entire race with Now, I don't 2220 01:54:07.239 --> 01:54:09.600 think these things are good, but I think they should 2221 01:54:09.680 --> 01:54:12.560 be legal. I think those should not even be exceptions 2222 01:54:14.880 --> 01:54:17.800 because of the principle, because the principle is so important. 2223 01:54:17.800 --> 01:54:20.560 I think you should because words, hair coming out of 2224 01:54:20.560 --> 01:54:24.640 your mouth cannot physically harm someone, I think that should 2225 01:54:24.680 --> 01:54:27.840 be the limit. The limit is physical harm itself, not 2226 01:54:28.079 --> 01:54:31.520 the threat of harm, although there's that's complicated. But I 2227 01:54:31.560 --> 01:54:33.880 would expand free speech in America even further than it is. 2228 01:54:33.960 --> 01:54:35.880 I would repeal some of the limits they've put on it. 2229 01:54:35.920 --> 01:54:37.920 But that's I'm pretty I'm pretty extreme out there. So 2230 01:54:37.960 --> 01:54:39.840 when I look at Europe, I'm like, good God, those 2231 01:54:39.880 --> 01:54:42.439 poor batsters based on my standard of what I would want. 2232 01:54:42.560 --> 01:54:44.880 Yeah, no, which is which is funny because you know, 2233 01:54:45.000 --> 01:54:48.880 we we can do a whole lot more than America. 2234 01:54:49.000 --> 01:54:51.399 But it's it's so funny. America always like falls back 2235 01:54:51.439 --> 01:54:52.039 on the gun laws. 2236 01:54:52.079 --> 01:54:56.159 Oh we can have guns. Yeah we we. I'm kind 2237 01:54:56.199 --> 01:54:56.640 of proud of that. 2238 01:54:56.880 --> 01:54:59.600 We can do too, Like I I can, I can 2239 01:54:59.720 --> 01:55:02.359 own gone if I want to. I just need a really, 2240 01:55:02.439 --> 01:55:05.960 really really good reason why. And I don't have a 2241 01:55:06.039 --> 01:55:08.520 reason why. So how do you But but then, how 2242 01:55:08.600 --> 01:55:10.159 do you defend yourself? Well I don't. 2243 01:55:10.720 --> 01:55:13.079 I don't have to. That's the thing. 2244 01:55:13.119 --> 01:55:14.600 I don't have to defend myself. 2245 01:55:15.439 --> 01:55:18.119 Well, there's another question there too. Was reading a statistic 2246 01:55:18.199 --> 01:55:23.119 the other day that since certain migration patterns started to develop, 2247 01:55:23.279 --> 01:55:26.880 you know, certain rather heinous crimes against people have skyrocketed 2248 01:55:26.880 --> 01:55:29.159 about like three hundred something percent. And it's not the 2249 01:55:29.279 --> 01:55:31.239 natives that are that are doing that. I mean, they've 2250 01:55:31.319 --> 01:55:35.359 tracked it. So it's in societies where they are more homogeneous, 2251 01:55:35.880 --> 01:55:38.199 you get better results, you get higher trust, you get 2252 01:55:38.239 --> 01:55:40.039 more people like yeah, you look at your neighbor and 2253 01:55:40.199 --> 01:55:43.359 like that person is just an extended member of my family. 2254 01:55:43.600 --> 01:55:46.159 In a way that it's not. The more cultural and 2255 01:55:46.560 --> 01:55:50.039 regional and ethnic differences pile up, you start getting people 2256 01:55:50.079 --> 01:55:53.079 that are very different who live by different moral codes 2257 01:55:53.159 --> 01:55:55.039 sometimes and then those called data conflict. 2258 01:55:55.159 --> 01:56:00.520 That is very basic human behavior. It's like, hey, you 2259 01:56:00.720 --> 01:56:05.319 look like me a you know, therefore I'm gonna assume 2260 01:56:06.199 --> 01:56:08.760 that I can trust you because you. 2261 01:56:08.800 --> 01:56:10.920 Know, for the most part, you can. Because they're thinking. 2262 01:56:12.600 --> 01:56:16.239 If someone has a you know, a different color, speaks 2263 01:56:16.279 --> 01:56:19.199 a different a different language that is not even remotely 2264 01:56:19.239 --> 01:56:24.880 similar to yours, believes in a different god, it's like a, 2265 01:56:25.800 --> 01:56:28.760 I don't know, I don't know. I don't know you, 2266 01:56:28.960 --> 01:56:31.039 I don't know your God, I don't know your language. 2267 01:56:31.680 --> 01:56:34.560 I'm gonna, you know, keep you at a distance, not 2268 01:56:34.680 --> 01:56:37.880 because I don't trust you, but because I don't know 2269 01:56:38.279 --> 01:56:41.479 if I can trust you, because I don't know you, 2270 01:56:41.640 --> 01:56:45.760 because you know, you're not one of my people, which 2271 01:56:45.840 --> 01:56:48.199 is a very natural thing. Like you see that in 2272 01:56:48.840 --> 01:56:52.840 nature in the Animal Kingdom all the time. You know, 2273 01:56:53.119 --> 01:56:53.720 it's it's. 2274 01:56:55.079 --> 01:57:01.119 Freaking spot and they defend it. Yeah, it's very it's 2275 01:57:02.479 --> 01:57:05.359 pretty basic. Yeah, and then you know the straw man 2276 01:57:05.439 --> 01:57:08.199 of that is, well, you're just xenophobic, You're just afraid 2277 01:57:08.439 --> 01:57:10.439 of things that are differently. No, no, no, no, it's 2278 01:57:10.520 --> 01:57:13.640 that when you have too many differences, there will be conflict. 2279 01:57:13.760 --> 01:57:16.199 And we're trying to minimize conflict because we want to 2280 01:57:16.479 --> 01:57:18.880 we want to get along with our neighbors to the 2281 01:57:18.960 --> 01:57:22.039 degree that we can. And the more similar to you 2282 01:57:22.159 --> 01:57:25.760 your neighbors are, the more easily everything flows exactly. And 2283 01:57:25.920 --> 01:57:28.159 I you know, I think things like common courtesy, you know, 2284 01:57:28.239 --> 01:57:30.279 saying saying thank you. I mean, some cultures don't have 2285 01:57:30.479 --> 01:57:33.079 that as a thing or by when they say things 2286 01:57:33.159 --> 01:57:35.600 like thank you, it's more like what was there was 2287 01:57:35.600 --> 01:57:38.000 a translation where the word literally meant I think it's 2288 01:57:38.000 --> 01:57:40.479 a Spanish sort or some where they're the way the 2289 01:57:40.560 --> 01:57:42.640 way they are some some South American country the way 2290 01:57:42.640 --> 01:57:46.640 they say thank you or is obligado. In a way, 2291 01:57:46.720 --> 01:57:49.479 it's like, oh, it's my obligation. So they're not really 2292 01:57:49.560 --> 01:57:52.840 saying I appreciate you, believe yeah, yeah, something like that. 2293 01:57:53.239 --> 01:57:56.439 You're not really saying you, I benefited from you, I 2294 01:57:56.560 --> 01:57:59.439 have special feelings towards you. The person is saying, don't 2295 01:57:59.439 --> 01:58:01.399 worry about it. Was in a way they not you know, 2296 01:58:01.479 --> 01:58:03.800 it's it's it's nothing, but but really what they're saying 2297 01:58:03.880 --> 01:58:06.520 is oh, I'm just fulfilling my obligation, which to me 2298 01:58:06.640 --> 01:58:11.319 doesn't have the same cultural meaning as I personally appreciate 2299 01:58:12.239 --> 01:58:15.920 you know what, what you've done or or anyway. So 2300 01:58:16.239 --> 01:58:18.119 so yeah, just even if something as simple as a 2301 01:58:18.199 --> 01:58:21.560 language difference can be a huge difference in culture. And 2302 01:58:21.600 --> 01:58:23.279 then you get in American and we were so we've 2303 01:58:23.319 --> 01:58:26.560 always okay, we were like ninety eight percent white for 2304 01:58:26.680 --> 01:58:28.680 like forever until the nineteen sixties, and then we brought 2305 01:58:28.680 --> 01:58:30.039 in a lot of people and then there, you know, 2306 01:58:30.079 --> 01:58:31.600 they said the Irish weren't white and all that, all 2307 01:58:31.600 --> 01:58:34.039 that good kind of stuff. But yeah, they even did. 2308 01:58:34.119 --> 01:58:36.119 They were even like you know, no no, no, uh 2309 01:58:36.359 --> 01:58:38.399 no black snow dogs and no Irish was a sign 2310 01:58:38.520 --> 01:58:40.159 in front of some businesses way back. 2311 01:58:40.279 --> 01:58:43.560 If anything, the Irish or like it won't make like 2312 01:58:43.600 --> 01:58:46.039 the whitest people, you know, when it comes to skin tone, 2313 01:58:46.079 --> 01:58:48.319 they're the whitest, hastiest out there. 2314 01:58:48.880 --> 01:58:51.319 Right. Yeah, And actually, we're gonna need to embark on 2315 01:58:51.399 --> 01:58:54.439 a preservation campaign to keep the redheads from disappearing. I mean, 2316 01:58:54.479 --> 01:58:56.600 that's that's a that's a human tragedy if red headed 2317 01:58:56.600 --> 01:58:58.159 women disappeared for your. 2318 01:58:59.000 --> 01:58:59.840 Right working on it. 2319 01:59:00.439 --> 01:59:00.840 There you go. 2320 01:59:01.039 --> 01:59:03.079 My daughter's a redthead, my ex is a red head, 2321 01:59:03.159 --> 01:59:04.319 my wife is a red hat. 2322 01:59:04.880 --> 01:59:06.439 There you go. You're doing the work, will be good. 2323 01:59:06.479 --> 01:59:09.720 I'm not. I have no kids. So it's a that's 2324 01:59:09.720 --> 01:59:12.520 a that's a that's a I guess recessive trade in 2325 01:59:12.600 --> 01:59:15.079 a way of like, you know, so you look at 2326 01:59:15.119 --> 01:59:17.680 things like, well, what do you think it's bad for 2327 01:59:18.039 --> 01:59:20.760 the race mix and and I'm like, no, not necessarily, 2328 01:59:21.159 --> 01:59:22.880 but I think it should be the exception to the 2329 01:59:22.960 --> 01:59:27.479 rule unless you're okay with certain people no longer existing, 2330 01:59:27.760 --> 01:59:29.880 which may be somewhere, and you know, throughout human history 2331 01:59:29.960 --> 01:59:32.199 maybe there's been a lot of cultures and civilizations and 2332 01:59:32.399 --> 01:59:35.000 phenotypes or whatever they say, that have faded away or 2333 01:59:35.039 --> 01:59:37.119 blended it to the point where what they were they 2334 01:59:37.159 --> 01:59:39.840 no longer. It happens. But I think we can choose 2335 01:59:40.000 --> 01:59:42.159 whether or not to let redheads go extinct. And I 2336 01:59:42.359 --> 01:59:44.880 argue against it. So that's my that's my me too, 2337 01:59:44.920 --> 01:59:47.039 you know me too, that's I think exactly right. 2338 01:59:47.359 --> 01:59:51.119 It's race mixing another you know, very sensitive topic. 2339 01:59:51.359 --> 01:59:53.239 Which not controversial at all, which. 2340 01:59:53.239 --> 01:59:57.359 Has happened, you know, so many times in history. The Neanderthals, 2341 01:59:57.439 --> 02:00:01.319 the Genisovians, the you know out say kins. There's a 2342 02:00:01.359 --> 02:00:01.880 reason if. 2343 02:00:01.800 --> 02:00:03.920 You fall in love with someone who's who looks different 2344 02:00:03.920 --> 02:00:06.319 than you, I don't care. I'm not angry at you know, 2345 02:00:07.359 --> 02:00:08.760 there's not supposed to get married. 2346 02:00:09.479 --> 02:00:11.880 There's a reason why certain groups of people you know 2347 02:00:12.079 --> 02:00:15.119 still look more like Neanderthals. You know, they have the 2348 02:00:15.399 --> 02:00:18.079 you know, the big the big four hat kind of 2349 02:00:18.199 --> 02:00:21.439 you know, flat skull, flat hat. Was this one like 2350 02:00:21.560 --> 02:00:24.680 Russian dude who was an ambassador or something something that 2351 02:00:24.800 --> 02:00:26.960 EU or something like that. Dude was massive, you look 2352 02:00:27.039 --> 02:00:31.079 like freaking you know, Drigo from from Rocky four or whatever. Yeah, 2353 02:00:31.119 --> 02:00:33.359 you know, I mean it's but like chro magnet style, 2354 02:00:33.479 --> 02:00:35.640 like like you get yeah, you can pound nails with 2355 02:00:35.680 --> 02:00:40.279 his forehead. Jesus, this guy and huge. He probably still 2356 02:00:40.399 --> 02:00:44.920 has you know, a good amount of Neanderthal DNA. You know, 2357 02:00:45.279 --> 02:00:50.239 those are like picture a cave man. That's about what 2358 02:00:50.399 --> 02:00:52.920 in the end Athal looks like. So if somebody like 2359 02:00:53.159 --> 02:00:55.279 you know, like that indeed just walking around to you're 2360 02:00:55.479 --> 02:00:58.359 just like, holy shit, that's not want to mess with that. 2361 02:00:58.720 --> 02:01:02.560 He probably has you know, a large or larger amount 2362 02:01:02.680 --> 02:01:07.560 of neanthol dna. Mm hmm, but that's that's literal ages 2363 02:01:08.359 --> 02:01:08.720 years ago. 2364 02:01:08.800 --> 02:01:09.800 It's a millennia go. 2365 02:01:10.279 --> 02:01:12.800 But the thing is with a lot of those I've 2366 02:01:12.840 --> 02:01:15.880 seen those I've seen those stories. I've seen the you know, 2367 02:01:16.119 --> 02:01:19.439 like infused with those kind of people, a lot of 2368 02:01:19.720 --> 02:01:23.720 them whose parents are of two different well two different 2369 02:01:23.840 --> 02:01:28.159 races really, I mean humans have racist Sorry. 2370 02:01:29.560 --> 02:01:31.720 It's like it's like types of birds. We got peacocks 2371 02:01:31.760 --> 02:01:34.239 and you know, I mean, yeah, we're both tiny songbirds 2372 02:01:34.279 --> 02:01:35.439 and exactly we're. 2373 02:01:35.279 --> 02:01:38.560 Both human, but you know, we're still different. But they 2374 02:01:39.920 --> 02:01:44.640 because they're like half and half, they don't feel you know, 2375 02:01:44.760 --> 02:01:48.199 let's take the most basic example, like African and European. 2376 02:01:49.399 --> 02:01:53.560 They don't feel European because you know, they just don't 2377 02:01:53.640 --> 02:01:58.039 don't look European enough to be European. But they also 2378 02:01:58.159 --> 02:02:01.800 don't feel African because you know, they don't like look 2379 02:02:01.920 --> 02:02:05.000 African enough to fit in with the Africans. 2380 02:02:05.399 --> 02:02:07.600 And if they especially if they weren't raised in that culture, like, 2381 02:02:07.640 --> 02:02:09.239 they'll go there and people will be like, well, you're 2382 02:02:09.239 --> 02:02:11.680 a foreigner. We don't yeah, didn't end up here, You're not. 2383 02:02:11.680 --> 02:02:15.039 One of a lot of Unfortunately, a lot of times 2384 02:02:15.439 --> 02:02:18.359 both sites will say that, you know, the European site 2385 02:02:18.359 --> 02:02:22.680 will say like, no, sorry, you're not European. I mean, 2386 02:02:22.800 --> 02:02:26.119 like here's a mirror, you know, look at me, look 2387 02:02:26.159 --> 02:02:28.520 at you. You're not European. Then they go through the 2388 02:02:28.560 --> 02:02:31.439 African site and it's like, well, you know, can I 2389 02:02:32.199 --> 02:02:34.920 then like be with you guys, like I'm you know, 2390 02:02:35.119 --> 02:02:39.479 half African, my mother, my father, you know, whoever is African. 2391 02:02:39.600 --> 02:02:43.319 It's like, no, you're You're not African. 2392 02:02:44.600 --> 02:02:48.359 So a lot of them feel like kind of stuck 2393 02:02:48.439 --> 02:02:52.479 in the middle, which is sure, which is sad. Really 2394 02:02:52.720 --> 02:02:54.760 that brings me back to my point of America. And 2395 02:02:54.760 --> 02:02:56.600 then you know, in the nineteen sixties we started opening 2396 02:02:56.640 --> 02:02:59.479 it up. We became more Hispanic and more you know, 2397 02:02:59.520 --> 02:03:02.319 African migration and China and India and all this kind 2398 02:03:02.319 --> 02:03:06.079 of stuff. So America is a little a little different 2399 02:03:06.119 --> 02:03:08.119 when it comes to you know, I want Ireland to 2400 02:03:08.159 --> 02:03:12.159 stay Ireland. I want Germany or Netherlands to stay the 2401 02:03:12.239 --> 02:03:14.119 way they are. I want the people who live there, 2402 02:03:14.239 --> 02:03:17.520 the ancestors of that land, to be the same people 2403 02:03:17.680 --> 02:03:21.359 in perpetuity. Ideally, that's my wish for you and I know, 2404 02:03:21.600 --> 02:03:24.720 and America is different in that regard of like we were, 2405 02:03:25.079 --> 02:03:27.279 we were not a nation of immigrants. That's the wrong 2406 02:03:27.319 --> 02:03:29.880 way to put it. We have become more a nation 2407 02:03:29.920 --> 02:03:34.439 of immigrants in the last sixty years, that's true. But 2408 02:03:34.600 --> 02:03:37.359 in the beginning, we were settlers and conquerors. We fought 2409 02:03:38.119 --> 02:03:41.279 natives to established and we settled land that nobody was 2410 02:03:41.319 --> 02:03:43.479 living on. I mean, it's not like we kicked It's 2411 02:03:43.520 --> 02:03:45.720 not like Indians lived everywhere. We kicked them out here. 2412 02:03:45.840 --> 02:03:47.239 They lived over there, and we kind of filled in 2413 02:03:47.279 --> 02:03:49.319 the gaps in between where we had conflicts. We had 2414 02:03:49.359 --> 02:03:51.399 conflicts and you know, and we can argue was it 2415 02:03:51.520 --> 02:03:55.520 resolved the best possible way? Maybe not, that's that's tribal living, 2416 02:03:55.600 --> 02:03:57.079 you know, but I mean it was the way of 2417 02:03:57.119 --> 02:03:58.880 the world to as Colic, we were doing anything anybody 2418 02:03:58.920 --> 02:04:02.000 else wasn't doing. You know, you settle and conquer and 2419 02:04:02.079 --> 02:04:03.479 you do your thing, and everyone's gone. 2420 02:04:03.399 --> 02:04:05.680 For it, and then we decided the own people. 2421 02:04:05.880 --> 02:04:08.359 So you know, that's the funny. Like that's another thing. 2422 02:04:08.399 --> 02:04:10.079 I this is a complete tangent to but a lot 2423 02:04:10.119 --> 02:04:12.640 of people don't understand that when America was founded, it 2424 02:04:12.840 --> 02:04:18.399 was following years centuries of religious conflict where different religious 2425 02:04:18.439 --> 02:04:21.239 sects in Europe, it was constant wars and they were 2426 02:04:21.840 --> 02:04:25.279 almost all of them over religion. And they were not 2427 02:04:25.399 --> 02:04:28.720 all of them, but but like the significant majority of 2428 02:04:28.760 --> 02:04:31.079 the largest wars. Yeah, from like what was it like 2429 02:04:31.119 --> 02:04:34.039 from eleven or twelve hundred up until the sixteen seventeen hundreds, 2430 02:04:34.720 --> 02:04:36.880 they were fighting a lot of wars over religion. It's 2431 02:04:36.920 --> 02:04:39.399 since the Catholics and the Protestants in different sects and 2432 02:04:40.000 --> 02:04:44.279 and and stuff like that. Crusades and you know crusades, Yeah, 2433 02:04:44.520 --> 02:04:47.479 the whole other thing. Yeah, yeah, well, actually that's when 2434 02:04:47.600 --> 02:04:50.000 that's when Europe started fighting itself more was after the 2435 02:04:50.520 --> 02:04:54.039 Muslim conquest and then the Crusades to kind of drive 2436 02:04:54.199 --> 02:04:57.319 them out, and then the next Crusade to go in 2437 02:04:57.800 --> 02:05:00.359 and go for all. Let's take Jerusalem. Now's that kind 2438 02:05:00.359 --> 02:05:01.760 of a thing too, Okay, all of this to get 2439 02:05:01.760 --> 02:05:04.000 around to say in that America. But what America's got 2440 02:05:04.079 --> 02:05:05.560 to do is if we are going to be a 2441 02:05:05.640 --> 02:05:07.439 melting pot, we actually have to turn up the heat 2442 02:05:07.479 --> 02:05:12.119 and melt the immigrants into the pot. They have to assimilate. 2443 02:05:12.199 --> 02:05:15.439 And we've spent the last thirty forty some odd years 2444 02:05:15.840 --> 02:05:19.000 with the American left, as they put it, saying no, 2445 02:05:19.520 --> 02:05:21.520 you don't have to learn the language, you don't have 2446 02:05:21.640 --> 02:05:24.720 to adopt our customs. You don't have to change anything 2447 02:05:24.760 --> 02:05:28.159 about yourself. You can just bring you and everything you 2448 02:05:28.319 --> 02:05:30.800 are and just move it physically to this plot of 2449 02:05:30.880 --> 02:05:34.359 land in a different country. And like that is partly 2450 02:05:34.439 --> 02:05:38.520 what's ruined our higher trust society. Is it's not just 2451 02:05:38.600 --> 02:05:41.039 that people might look different, it's that, really we're not 2452 02:05:41.359 --> 02:05:44.199 having as much cultural assimilation as we should to make 2453 02:05:44.279 --> 02:05:47.039 it a successful project. So you get people who say 2454 02:05:47.079 --> 02:05:48.920 we shouldn't have any immigration at all because it's all 2455 02:05:48.960 --> 02:05:50.680 fucked up, and then people who say we should have 2456 02:05:50.760 --> 02:05:54.479 unlimited immigration and nobody assimilates. I'm like, Okay, I'm more 2457 02:05:54.520 --> 02:05:57.279 on the other side of a I would do And 2458 02:05:57.359 --> 02:06:00.560 I've advocated this before, about a thirty year more than 2459 02:06:00.560 --> 02:06:05.079 a full generation moratorium on any immigration, just to give 2460 02:06:05.159 --> 02:06:07.560 us a chance to settle some shit. Just one full 2461 02:06:07.640 --> 02:06:10.119 generation for the people here to assimilate, for us to 2462 02:06:10.199 --> 02:06:13.760 have our culture war about establishing a national identity, and 2463 02:06:13.840 --> 02:06:15.640 then we can have that conversation, Okay, we're going to 2464 02:06:15.680 --> 02:06:18.319 open up our borders again and let people in. Who 2465 02:06:18.399 --> 02:06:20.920 do we want to let in and why? And how 2466 02:06:21.399 --> 02:06:23.319 I think we need time. I think it's been you 2467 02:06:23.399 --> 02:06:26.199 know there's people who we're talking about that idea of xenophobia, 2468 02:06:26.199 --> 02:06:31.319 and it's like it's two different again. Looking at the 2469 02:06:31.399 --> 02:06:33.239 yin yang, and I've posted this before, it's a yin 2470 02:06:33.279 --> 02:06:36.279 yang and on one side is progress and the other 2471 02:06:36.319 --> 02:06:38.680 side is tradition. And I think you need both and 2472 02:06:38.760 --> 02:06:40.720 you need them to work together. And you can't have 2473 02:06:40.840 --> 02:06:45.199 a society that eliminates one hundred percent of all tradition 2474 02:06:45.279 --> 02:06:50.000 because that's stupid. Obviously, you can't have zero progress because 2475 02:06:50.199 --> 02:06:53.000 we're not perfect. Something could always be a little bit better. 2476 02:06:53.479 --> 02:06:56.800 So you need both, you absolutely need both. And what 2477 02:06:56.960 --> 02:07:00.119 I so, So the people on the progress side, we 2478 02:07:00.199 --> 02:07:03.399 might say the progress zealots, the true believers. That is 2479 02:07:03.439 --> 02:07:06.880 their cult, the cult of progress. Change is always good, 2480 02:07:06.960 --> 02:07:09.600 no matter what I think, they're nuts. They look at 2481 02:07:09.640 --> 02:07:12.880 the tradition folks, even the ones who say, hey, maybe 2482 02:07:12.920 --> 02:07:15.359 we should keep most of the traditions because they seem 2483 02:07:15.479 --> 02:07:17.640 pretty functional. They look at those people and they say, well, 2484 02:07:17.680 --> 02:07:21.079 you're a xenophobic. You're afraid of change, you're afraid of 2485 02:07:21.159 --> 02:07:24.479 things that are different than you. And I feel so 2486 02:07:25.920 --> 02:07:28.479 frustrated by that idea because that's the number one that's 2487 02:07:28.520 --> 02:07:31.720 not me. But number two they're not taking seriously the 2488 02:07:31.800 --> 02:07:35.119 question that you can have too much change too fast 2489 02:07:35.760 --> 02:07:38.479 and you don't have the ability to adapt. And that's 2490 02:07:38.600 --> 02:07:40.720 what we've I think what we've been then, what Europe's 2491 02:07:40.720 --> 02:07:43.239 going through right now as well, is even if you 2492 02:07:43.399 --> 02:07:45.159 want to start letting in more of these folks, you 2493 02:07:45.199 --> 02:07:47.439 got to do it slowly. You got to make sure 2494 02:07:47.479 --> 02:07:51.600 they're brought up to speed and explain cultural expectations. They've 2495 02:07:51.640 --> 02:07:54.600 got to learn the language and become part of that culture, 2496 02:07:54.840 --> 02:07:57.760 not just be an African person living in France that 2497 02:07:58.640 --> 02:08:00.399 they're not French, you know. 2498 02:08:00.840 --> 02:08:02.560 But then the funny thing is, you know, if it 2499 02:08:02.880 --> 02:08:07.479 were the other way around, for example, it is expected 2500 02:08:07.760 --> 02:08:11.920 that we assimilate, and if we don't, it's like, well, 2501 02:08:12.199 --> 02:08:15.600 then good luck to you, because either yeah, if we 2502 02:08:15.680 --> 02:08:15.880 go to. 2503 02:08:15.880 --> 02:08:17.560 A foreign country, they're not going to learn English for 2504 02:08:17.680 --> 02:08:19.560 my sake, They're just not gonna do it. They're gonna 2505 02:08:19.560 --> 02:08:22.199 be like, tough shit, good luck to you. And that's 2506 02:08:22.319 --> 02:08:23.880 I kind of feel like that's the attitude we should 2507 02:08:23.880 --> 02:08:27.199 have as well. Luck then I guess, don't learn English. 2508 02:08:27.319 --> 02:08:29.000 I mean all the forms are in English, street signs 2509 02:08:29.000 --> 02:08:31.279 are in English, the driver's licensed test is in English. 2510 02:08:31.319 --> 02:08:34.359 You're gonna kind of have to adapt exactly. 2511 02:08:34.439 --> 02:08:37.119 I mean here in the Netherlands because now we've we've 2512 02:08:37.159 --> 02:08:40.680 always been a country of trade. You know, we have 2513 02:08:41.000 --> 02:08:43.399 England just on the you know, the other side of 2514 02:08:43.439 --> 02:08:45.920 the pond. We have Germany next to us. We have 2515 02:08:46.079 --> 02:08:49.479 France pretty nearby. It's what is it like, Well, from 2516 02:08:49.600 --> 02:08:55.159 from where I live, it's maybe a cat's say three 2517 02:08:55.880 --> 02:08:58.520 three and a half four hour drive and I am 2518 02:08:58.800 --> 02:09:02.760 south and I am well into France. That's pretty damn short, 2519 02:09:03.439 --> 02:09:03.640 you know. 2520 02:09:03.680 --> 02:09:06.239 It's true, And it's about a three or four hour drive. 2521 02:09:06.279 --> 02:09:08.840 I'm in California, but but then it's about an eight 2522 02:09:08.960 --> 02:09:11.359 or ten hour drive to get to Mexico, a huge. 2523 02:09:11.239 --> 02:09:16.800 Eight to ten hours far without taking get to Italy eighteen, 2524 02:09:17.399 --> 02:09:20.279 like if you were driving well into Yeah, no, I've okay, 2525 02:09:21.359 --> 02:09:21.840 that's funny. 2526 02:09:21.880 --> 02:09:26.039 That's that's the thing I've you know, with my parents, 2527 02:09:26.079 --> 02:09:27.920 I've been lucky enough to explore a lot of the 2528 02:09:27.920 --> 02:09:30.760 world already, a lot of Europe already a lot of times. 2529 02:09:30.840 --> 02:09:34.079 Also because it was with three kids, you know, myself, 2530 02:09:34.159 --> 02:09:37.359 my brother, my sister. We always like had the the 2531 02:09:37.439 --> 02:09:40.960 mini fan, like the seven eight seedter you know, so 2532 02:09:41.399 --> 02:09:44.439 perfect for the kids and birthday parties and you could 2533 02:09:44.520 --> 02:09:46.039 stuff all the freaking baggage in there. 2534 02:09:46.560 --> 02:09:47.600 So if it was like. 2535 02:09:47.760 --> 02:09:52.680 Italy or France or Germany, my parents would drive that 2536 02:09:53.479 --> 02:09:58.680 and yeah, that is like a good u A to 2537 02:09:58.840 --> 02:09:59.520 ten hours. 2538 02:09:59.720 --> 02:10:00.680 I mean they were. 2539 02:10:02.479 --> 02:10:05.079 Like, if it all goes well, like not too much 2540 02:10:05.199 --> 02:10:07.720 traffic and whenever we just you know, go south, we 2541 02:10:08.000 --> 02:10:12.640 are it's just ten hours. I'd say, we're like pretty 2542 02:10:12.720 --> 02:10:16.359 much in Spain by that time, and well on our 2543 02:10:16.439 --> 02:10:17.760 way into Uh. 2544 02:10:21.079 --> 02:10:22.920 I'm kind of in some ways jealous of that too. 2545 02:10:22.960 --> 02:10:24.159 It's like, hey, kids, you want to go see the 2546 02:10:24.199 --> 02:10:26.199 coliseum this weekend and then it only just pop in 2547 02:10:26.239 --> 02:10:28.000 the car and drive me. I'm like, I got a 2548 02:10:28.119 --> 02:10:30.479 well plane ticket to get to New York first, well 2549 02:10:30.520 --> 02:10:34.039 probably Colorado and then New York and then wait and 2550 02:10:34.119 --> 02:10:35.960 then get on a plane and then land in Italy, 2551 02:10:36.000 --> 02:10:37.680 and then I got to find a driver and that's. 2552 02:10:37.760 --> 02:10:39.920 I mean, I can I'm probably never going. I can 2553 02:10:40.039 --> 02:10:42.720 go to the airport taking international train. Now with two 2554 02:10:42.760 --> 02:10:44.399 and a half hours, I'm in Paris. 2555 02:10:44.920 --> 02:10:49.319 Mm hmm. Speaking of which, Uh, I hadn't looked at 2556 02:10:49.319 --> 02:10:51.359 the map in a while, and I'm like, wow, France 2557 02:10:51.399 --> 02:10:54.319 and Spain especially are huge. I realize how big they 2558 02:10:54.319 --> 02:10:56.319 were in Germany too. It Germany is much bigger than 2559 02:10:56.319 --> 02:10:58.119 I thought it was. Yeah, then you get into all 2560 02:10:58.159 --> 02:11:01.319 the smaller, smaller countries around it and what not. But 2561 02:11:01.800 --> 02:11:04.399 it's interesting how the how the Balkans broke up, say 2562 02:11:04.439 --> 02:11:06.560 after after World War two and and certainly the fall 2563 02:11:06.640 --> 02:11:09.359 of the yeah, Soviet Empire. 2564 02:11:09.039 --> 02:11:12.199 And they keep breaking well yeah, and they're like. 2565 02:11:12.319 --> 02:11:14.800 You know, we are people of a certain kind who 2566 02:11:14.840 --> 02:11:16.840 live a certain way, with a certain culture, and these 2567 02:11:16.880 --> 02:11:19.119 are all my relatives. We just want to be a country. 2568 02:11:19.319 --> 02:11:21.720 And so they were sharing a country with like three 2569 02:11:21.760 --> 02:11:23.600 other groups of people, and they said, you know, let's 2570 02:11:23.640 --> 02:11:25.159 just all be our own countries. And now they did, 2571 02:11:25.319 --> 02:11:27.760 and it was I think it was fine. I don't know, 2572 02:11:27.800 --> 02:11:29.720 I need to study up on that. There's probably still 2573 02:11:29.720 --> 02:11:29.960 a lot of. 2574 02:11:29.920 --> 02:11:33.399 Comting there too, but there have definitely been there has 2575 02:11:33.520 --> 02:11:34.840 been trouble in the East. 2576 02:11:35.079 --> 02:11:36.680 There's been trouble. Yeah. No one wants to say like 2577 02:11:36.840 --> 02:11:40.960 genocide in Serbia didn't take place, that that happened, so yeah, yeah, yeah. 2578 02:11:41.159 --> 02:11:44.520 Yeah, like the Balkans. But it's it's funny like you know, 2579 02:11:44.680 --> 02:11:48.720 in Europe or like western southern Europe, we see that 2580 02:11:48.880 --> 02:11:52.359 as like just a part of Europe. Like you have 2581 02:11:52.760 --> 02:11:56.760 Scandinavia in the north. Then you have well the Benelux 2582 02:11:56.920 --> 02:12:00.760 that is Belgian, Netherlands, Luxembourg, yeah, France, Spain, you know, 2583 02:12:00.920 --> 02:12:03.720 those are all all their their own and then you 2584 02:12:03.840 --> 02:12:08.079 have the Balkans, which is you know, all those countries 2585 02:12:10.439 --> 02:12:11.680 like pretty much next. 2586 02:12:11.520 --> 02:12:16.479 To Germany somewhere over there. Yeah, like I. 2587 02:12:18.000 --> 02:12:21.399 Would probably have uh, you know, I would probably have 2588 02:12:21.520 --> 02:12:23.840 trouble pointing out those countries because. 2589 02:12:23.640 --> 02:12:25.520 Well, even them, you ask the people who live there, 2590 02:12:25.520 --> 02:12:27.159 and they're they're kind of fuzzy on the border because 2591 02:12:27.159 --> 02:12:29.119 they're like, it's never been important we live here, they 2592 02:12:29.199 --> 02:12:31.319 live there, the border somewhere in between. We don't even care. 2593 02:12:31.720 --> 02:12:34.920 It's a little fuzzy on their own borders sometimes. 2594 02:12:35.039 --> 02:12:37.359 Yeah, no, but I mean that's that's also it's like, 2595 02:12:37.439 --> 02:12:39.880 come to think of it, that's actually a perfect example 2596 02:12:40.199 --> 02:12:43.560 of tribalism. You know, it's like, these are our people. 2597 02:12:44.079 --> 02:12:46.560 We'd like to live with those people. Those are not 2598 02:12:46.680 --> 02:12:50.000 our people, but they live there, so they can, you know, 2599 02:12:50.479 --> 02:12:53.399 live there. That's that's fine. As long as we live 2600 02:12:53.479 --> 02:12:54.399 with our people, you know. 2601 02:12:55.199 --> 02:12:56.840 Yeah, I want to see more of that. I want 2602 02:12:56.880 --> 02:12:58.600 to see more of it, like we just we we're 2603 02:12:58.640 --> 02:13:00.479 not we're not bothering you leave us a we were 2604 02:13:00.520 --> 02:13:03.039 going to do our own thing whenever anybody and if 2605 02:13:03.079 --> 02:13:05.199 people want to be tribal that way, I've called for that. 2606 02:13:05.479 --> 02:13:07.439 In America, of course, we've got from the history of 2607 02:13:07.640 --> 02:13:11.960 the settling the country. We created Indian reservations where it's like, okay, 2608 02:13:12.119 --> 02:13:14.640 you get your own tribal land, and they're actually considered 2609 02:13:14.640 --> 02:13:18.199 a foreign nation within the boundaries of the United States. 2610 02:13:18.279 --> 02:13:21.439 They have their own We actually have treaties with them 2611 02:13:21.479 --> 02:13:23.159 that it's like, you do your thing, and that's why 2612 02:13:23.199 --> 02:13:25.000 they have their own tribal police, and we have to 2613 02:13:25.039 --> 02:13:27.640 get permission to send people in for law enforcement to go, 2614 02:13:27.800 --> 02:13:30.479 you know, hunt for people who committed crimes off off 2615 02:13:30.600 --> 02:13:33.079 reservation land. And I was thinking, what if we did 2616 02:13:33.159 --> 02:13:37.840 that for racial groups in America that want to live separately. 2617 02:13:38.399 --> 02:13:42.199 We create reservation for this is black country, this is 2618 02:13:42.239 --> 02:13:45.159 white country, it's Chinese country. You can live that way 2619 02:13:45.199 --> 02:13:47.960 if you want to. But if most of us are 2620 02:13:48.000 --> 02:13:50.199 not going to I'm not moving to a preservation just 2621 02:13:50.279 --> 02:13:51.039 to they run us. 2622 02:13:51.680 --> 02:13:57.199 Kind of the idea unfersonally not going as well as 2623 02:13:57.279 --> 02:14:01.680 we would hope the growth of odin that we have started. 2624 02:14:01.800 --> 02:14:05.000 It's like, you know, but for the European pagan people, 2625 02:14:05.079 --> 02:14:07.880 we we've put it under your under the Odanism banner 2626 02:14:08.000 --> 02:14:12.119 because you know, that's that's something that is recognized, you know, Odinism. 2627 02:14:12.199 --> 02:14:14.159 Oh yeah, like no, we know what you mean. I mean, 2628 02:14:14.239 --> 02:14:17.880 there's there's a lot more more to it than just Odinism. 2629 02:14:18.600 --> 02:14:23.159 But you know, for you know, for government purposes, that's 2630 02:14:23.239 --> 02:14:26.079 easier because you know it's oh yeah, it's the freaking government. 2631 02:14:26.199 --> 02:14:28.039 They need to know, like what are you doing, Why 2632 02:14:28.039 --> 02:14:29.479 are you doing it? Where are you doing it? How 2633 02:14:29.520 --> 02:14:30.279 are you doing is like. 2634 02:14:31.680 --> 02:14:33.920 Yeah, yeah, fill out these forms and then wait six 2635 02:14:34.159 --> 02:14:36.279 sixty eight weeks. Well that that kind of reminds me 2636 02:14:36.359 --> 02:14:38.199 of that's even happened in America as far as the 2637 02:14:38.319 --> 02:14:40.800 like we were talking about the Mormons, they're like Jesus, 2638 02:14:40.880 --> 02:14:42.840 Mormons are crazy. The Mormons like, will screw you, guys, 2639 02:14:42.840 --> 02:14:44.760 We're going to live in Salt Lake City. We'll let's 2640 02:14:44.760 --> 02:14:46.640 go do our own thing. And they still they still 2641 02:14:46.720 --> 02:14:48.840 run Utah. Basically it's they're. 2642 02:14:48.760 --> 02:14:50.960 Run so much more. You should fair enough, Yeah, you 2643 02:14:51.000 --> 02:14:54.560 should listen to Unfiltered Rice with with Heidi love. She 2644 02:14:54.840 --> 02:14:59.119 is a former Mormon who is now spinning all their secrets. 2645 02:14:59.199 --> 02:15:02.079 I I had her on on semi recently to uh 2646 02:15:02.159 --> 02:15:05.880 to talk about cabbage babies and orphan chains. But yeah 2647 02:15:05.960 --> 02:15:10.000 on Fielded Rice podcast, shout out Heidi. She does like 2648 02:15:10.079 --> 02:15:12.039 a lot of axe Mormon stuff and they have their 2649 02:15:12.079 --> 02:15:14.239 fingers everything. 2650 02:15:15.239 --> 02:15:17.840 Yeah, I can see that too. That's and that's that's 2651 02:15:17.840 --> 02:15:20.560 another thing with like the eye, there's there's a nested 2652 02:15:20.840 --> 02:15:24.119 Russian nesting doll scaling issues of like you know, so 2653 02:15:24.199 --> 02:15:27.279 the say the Mormons are using their soft power to 2654 02:15:27.399 --> 02:15:29.880 make to secure their own interest in their homeland, so 2655 02:15:30.039 --> 02:15:31.840 to speak, but they get their fingers in a lot 2656 02:15:31.880 --> 02:15:33.520 of pies. And then you've got America doing that on 2657 02:15:33.560 --> 02:15:35.319 the global stage. And that made me think of the 2658 02:15:35.399 --> 02:15:37.920 idea of we you know, one of the the global 2659 02:15:38.000 --> 02:15:41.920 culture war is between I guess you could say broadly 2660 02:15:42.079 --> 02:15:46.800 nationalism and globalism in a way where the globalists and 2661 02:15:46.960 --> 02:15:49.520 if if we I think they've done a lot of 2662 02:15:49.520 --> 02:15:52.239 bad things in the name of their religion, so to speak, 2663 02:15:52.279 --> 02:15:55.079 in the name of their ideal vision of the world. Sure, 2664 02:15:55.119 --> 02:15:57.680 and they're working to make it happen. But that's but 2665 02:15:57.760 --> 02:16:00.840 it's but setting aside that every group house, every group does, 2666 02:16:01.359 --> 02:16:04.720 setting aside the emotional content of how do I feel 2667 02:16:04.760 --> 02:16:07.159 about what they're doing. You know, their vision is that 2668 02:16:07.359 --> 02:16:10.079 they want the end of national borders. They want the 2669 02:16:10.199 --> 02:16:13.560 end of separate peoples, and that's what they're working towards. 2670 02:16:13.640 --> 02:16:15.680 They think that is the vision, that that is their 2671 02:16:15.800 --> 02:16:19.800 vision of the ideal progress of humanity towards something better. 2672 02:16:20.560 --> 02:16:23.720 I just happen to disagree. I think we lose the 2673 02:16:23.840 --> 02:16:27.560 real beautiful diversity that we have if we homogenize too much. 2674 02:16:27.720 --> 02:16:29.279 There's a phrase enough if I've used it with you 2675 02:16:29.479 --> 02:16:32.520 or other people with the ideas, it's been shortened to 2676 02:16:32.920 --> 02:16:37.600 global homo and some people think that means a global 2677 02:16:37.680 --> 02:16:42.600 push to make everybody homosexual. I'm like, no, it's global homogenization. 2678 02:16:43.200 --> 02:16:46.719 Everyone becomes one people, one united people of Earth. And 2679 02:16:46.840 --> 02:16:50.399 as much as that's it has its own beautiful dream 2680 02:16:50.520 --> 02:16:52.920 quality to it, I get why they think it's a 2681 02:16:52.959 --> 02:16:55.920 good idea. And it's not like there wouldn't be certain 2682 02:16:56.159 --> 02:16:59.600 problems that would disappear if we did that. Let's say 2683 02:16:59.639 --> 02:17:02.239 we to bread every human on the planet until we 2684 02:17:02.319 --> 02:17:05.719 all look the same same hair color, eye color, skin color, 2685 02:17:06.079 --> 02:17:08.520 we were all exactly the same. I think that's a 2686 02:17:08.520 --> 02:17:11.799 bad thing because we lose diversity and individual cultures and 2687 02:17:12.120 --> 02:17:13.719 a lot of things that just make it nice to 2688 02:17:13.760 --> 02:17:15.840 go from one place to another because it's different. When 2689 02:17:15.920 --> 02:17:18.559 there is that much similarity. That is one way to 2690 02:17:18.600 --> 02:17:22.200 accomplish or to re establish, say a high trust society, 2691 02:17:22.760 --> 02:17:25.000 is by taking a bunch of different people and making 2692 02:17:25.079 --> 02:17:29.559 them the same. Ultimately by force, by forcing people to 2693 02:17:29.719 --> 02:17:33.319 migrate and the countries to accept them. I see what 2694 02:17:33.360 --> 02:17:39.280 they're doing. Why is uprooted. It's easier to you know, 2695 02:17:39.479 --> 02:17:42.360 to plant new ideas. You know, Oh, this is no 2696 02:17:42.479 --> 02:17:47.479 longer your homeland. It's not everybody's homeland. Mm. 2697 02:17:47.799 --> 02:17:52.600 But like my father has lived here for generations, you know. 2698 02:17:53.600 --> 02:17:55.600 Yeah, I mean, and then they have someone just pop 2699 02:17:55.719 --> 02:17:57.920 in from another country and now they're your neighbor, and 2700 02:17:58.000 --> 02:17:59.879 you're like, hi, I'm the same as you. You're like 2701 02:18:00.719 --> 02:18:04.319 on paper. Yeah, not not really. 2702 02:18:04.440 --> 02:18:08.239 I've had this discussion briefly with Tom Rauso from Survived 2703 02:18:08.280 --> 02:18:11.600 to Jive. Man. I'm I'm naming it name dropping everyone. 2704 02:18:11.399 --> 02:18:14.760 Name That's good. No, but it's it's. 2705 02:18:16.440 --> 02:18:19.399 You know, it's like just because and I compared it 2706 02:18:19.520 --> 02:18:25.040 to the people from the the Antills you know, a Rubabona. 2707 02:18:25.799 --> 02:18:30.479 The people from the the Suriname. You know, they just 2708 02:18:30.760 --> 02:18:35.520 because they have a Dutch passport, a Dutch bank account, 2709 02:18:36.200 --> 02:18:38.600 and they live here, so they have a Dutch home address, 2710 02:18:38.680 --> 02:18:41.479 which is like the three main things you need to 2711 02:18:41.559 --> 02:18:45.959 have for like a Dutch identity or do Yeah, like 2712 02:18:46.120 --> 02:18:47.600 on paper a Dutch identity. 2713 02:18:47.879 --> 02:18:55.280 Yeah, it doesn't make them Dutch, yeah for sure, like yeah, 2714 02:18:55.319 --> 02:18:57.120 then and then there's yeah, and then the people on 2715 02:18:57.159 --> 02:18:59.639 the other side say that's no, no racist in Bobak 2716 02:18:59.799 --> 02:19:01.600 like it's just a funny thing. 2717 02:19:01.719 --> 02:19:05.159 It is. They don't even consider themselves Dutch. Like if 2718 02:19:05.200 --> 02:19:07.360 you ask them, like, yo, where are you from? Yeah, 2719 02:19:07.399 --> 02:19:10.399 I'm from the Surynome, But I thought you were Dutch. 2720 02:19:10.520 --> 02:19:11.040 Yeah I am. 2721 02:19:12.040 --> 02:19:13.399 When you get that American, how. 2722 02:19:13.399 --> 02:19:15.920 Are you from? Like from Surynome, but you are a Dutch? 2723 02:19:16.040 --> 02:19:18.000 Well because I live here, we. 2724 02:19:18.079 --> 02:19:20.520 Get the enclaves, like was it a illin Omar is 2725 02:19:20.520 --> 02:19:23.280 one of our representatives elected to you know, federal Congress, 2726 02:19:23.680 --> 02:19:27.040 and she's from Somalia and she lives in a kind 2727 02:19:27.079 --> 02:19:30.600 of little Somalia in a Minnesota somewhere that was full 2728 02:19:30.639 --> 02:19:34.360 of a bunch of imported Somali's And when they talk 2729 02:19:34.479 --> 02:19:37.559 to each other. And you've got recordings of her giving speeches. 2730 02:19:37.920 --> 02:19:41.399 She says, you know, uh, you know, I'm here to 2731 02:19:41.440 --> 02:19:44.719 represent my people, and by that she means her Somali community, 2732 02:19:45.079 --> 02:19:48.159 not Americans. I mean, she doesn't even consider herself or 2733 02:19:48.239 --> 02:19:51.280 her people who just happened to occupy space in this 2734 02:19:51.399 --> 02:19:54.079 country as Americans. That's not part of her thinking either. 2735 02:19:55.079 --> 02:19:56.239 I don't know, I don't know what to do about these. 2736 02:19:56.280 --> 02:19:57.319 I mean covered a lot of ground. 2737 02:19:57.399 --> 02:19:59.840 Your idea is great, like that is happening in reservation, 2738 02:20:00.200 --> 02:20:00.360 you know. 2739 02:20:00.680 --> 02:20:04.120 Yeah, let's then let's people form their own enclaves. Let's 2740 02:20:04.159 --> 02:20:05.799 just make it a separate country or something. And then 2741 02:20:05.799 --> 02:20:08.239 there's people will say, don't give away our land like 2742 02:20:08.319 --> 02:20:09.600 that okay, fair. 2743 02:20:09.479 --> 02:20:12.680 Enough, No, just you know, give it powers, give it 2744 02:20:12.719 --> 02:20:15.959 away to Bill Gates, Like why don't you that's that's better. 2745 02:20:16.280 --> 02:20:18.440 They don't complain about their billionaires. They just don't like ours. 2746 02:20:18.639 --> 02:20:21.079 Right, it's not wrong when we do it, No, exactly, 2747 02:20:21.319 --> 02:20:25.879 exactly no, But that's that's and I mean, yeah, like 2748 02:20:26.040 --> 02:20:28.959 we we can live as a you know, a world 2749 02:20:29.200 --> 02:20:35.319 wise collective by respecting each other, like we don't all 2750 02:20:35.520 --> 02:20:36.399 have to look alike. 2751 02:20:36.440 --> 02:20:40.079 I mean, by gods. Please, No, No, if we all 2752 02:20:40.159 --> 02:20:41.079 look alike, I don't want. 2753 02:20:40.959 --> 02:20:43.520 To lose that. I think that's boring. That's like exactly 2754 02:20:45.040 --> 02:20:45.719 into one bucket. 2755 02:20:45.959 --> 02:20:50.520 No, but I mean I get like since they're like 2756 02:20:50.959 --> 02:20:54.239 dropping names and quotes and and all of that syndrome 2757 02:20:54.280 --> 02:20:59.200 from the Incredibles picture the Incredibles, if everyone's special, nobody's special. 2758 02:21:00.360 --> 02:21:02.959 I had that same thought, so attached to that idea. 2759 02:21:03.079 --> 02:21:05.200 Now we heard that ten years ago or more. Now 2760 02:21:05.280 --> 02:21:07.600 there's this new thing they call it the heat map, 2761 02:21:08.120 --> 02:21:12.559 where they said, you know, how far does your caring 2762 02:21:12.680 --> 02:21:16.719 about things beyond yourself extend? And one heat map of 2763 02:21:16.840 --> 02:21:23.680 conservatives is very local, family oriented, small, small group, primary concern. 2764 02:21:24.399 --> 02:21:28.319 And the heat map for the more liberal left, you know, 2765 02:21:28.440 --> 02:21:31.239 progressive type is well, I care about everything up to 2766 02:21:31.319 --> 02:21:34.000 and including space, dust and so, I mean I think 2767 02:21:34.079 --> 02:21:36.159 literally that's what it says, rocks and trees and whatnot. 2768 02:21:36.719 --> 02:21:40.120 And they look at it as we are morally superior 2769 02:21:40.200 --> 02:21:43.079 because we care more broadly about more things, or the 2770 02:21:43.600 --> 02:21:46.920 breadth of our carrying is better. And my perspective is 2771 02:21:47.000 --> 02:21:49.719 the syndrome quote. If you care about everything, you care 2772 02:21:49.760 --> 02:21:52.000 about nothing. You can't care about a rock and a 2773 02:21:52.040 --> 02:21:54.959 tree the same amount as you care about your family. 2774 02:21:55.399 --> 02:21:58.680 That's not good in my opinion. So I am very 2775 02:21:58.760 --> 02:22:02.399 much the localized map to my immediate surroundings, you know, 2776 02:22:02.639 --> 02:22:07.159 my wife, my my neighbors, my community, my state, my nation, 2777 02:22:07.879 --> 02:22:09.719 then the rest of the world in that order. And 2778 02:22:09.799 --> 02:22:12.200 then after all, the people of the world are rocks 2779 02:22:12.239 --> 02:22:14.079 and trees. We only need rocks and trees so much 2780 02:22:14.079 --> 02:22:17.120 as they. I love the biodiversity of nature. But but 2781 02:22:17.559 --> 02:22:19.280 you know, we take care of the environment so we 2782 02:22:19.399 --> 02:22:20.959 can keep living in It is what it is, and 2783 02:22:21.040 --> 02:22:21.840 we want it beautiful. 2784 02:22:21.840 --> 02:22:24.399 And if we take care of ourselves, then we are 2785 02:22:24.479 --> 02:22:27.479 able to keep living in this environment. You know, live 2786 02:22:27.600 --> 02:22:30.399 in harmony with the environments, because you know, if we 2787 02:22:30.520 --> 02:22:32.200 don't do those heinous acts, then. 2788 02:22:32.280 --> 02:22:34.639 Yeah, I get yeah, exactly. And as much as I 2789 02:22:34.680 --> 02:22:38.559 don't think anyone should be wantonly destructive, I also don't 2790 02:22:38.760 --> 02:22:42.520 inherently care about a given patch of desert and a 2791 02:22:42.559 --> 02:22:45.000 scrub bush and a and a snake and a scorpion 2792 02:22:45.120 --> 02:22:47.040 living there. I mean, it's I don't have I don't 2793 02:22:47.079 --> 02:22:50.159 have care for that, even though you could say I 2794 02:22:50.200 --> 02:22:52.200 would like nothing bad to happen to them for no 2795 02:22:52.319 --> 02:22:54.639 good reason. You know, that's that's definitely where I'm at. 2796 02:22:54.840 --> 02:22:58.639 But yes, yeah, anyway, so that's syndrome. Quote, if you 2797 02:22:58.719 --> 02:23:01.239 care about everything, you care about nothing because you have 2798 02:23:01.440 --> 02:23:03.600 to put you have to rank order some things exact, 2799 02:23:03.639 --> 02:23:05.360 and if your family and friends are not more important 2800 02:23:05.360 --> 02:23:06.760 to you, there's a problem in my opinion. 2801 02:23:06.840 --> 02:23:10.799 So that's that's very I mean, that's that's very traditional thinking. 2802 02:23:10.879 --> 02:23:14.040 It's very well, you're a pretty heavy conservative side, which 2803 02:23:14.079 --> 02:23:16.840 is funny because I consider myself someone with one foot 2804 02:23:16.959 --> 02:23:20.600 planted on both sides of the progress tradition gap. Now 2805 02:23:20.600 --> 02:23:23.040 there's a lot of people who are naturally more conservative, 2806 02:23:23.200 --> 02:23:25.840 naturally more progressive. Fair enough, we need them both, I 2807 02:23:25.920 --> 02:23:29.639 don't think now the extreme extremes are rigidity and chaos, 2808 02:23:29.760 --> 02:23:31.520 and it's like neither one of those is good either. 2809 02:23:31.959 --> 02:23:35.920 We need we need loyal opposition that works to figure 2810 02:23:35.920 --> 02:23:41.000 out the necessary balance, that thin line between are we change, 2811 02:23:41.040 --> 02:23:42.600 are we throwing the baby out with the bathwater as 2812 02:23:42.639 --> 02:23:45.719 far as tradition goes, or are we refusing to embrace 2813 02:23:45.760 --> 02:23:49.120 a positive change because we're we don't want to, we 2814 02:23:49.159 --> 02:23:52.159 don't like it, we don't realize it's necessary. A lot 2815 02:23:52.200 --> 02:23:56.399 of like so, I I'd say in the last I mean, 2816 02:23:56.440 --> 02:23:58.440 I have a healthy conservative streak, but I'd say in 2817 02:23:58.479 --> 02:24:01.879 the last ten, fifteen, whatever or years, I have been 2818 02:24:02.040 --> 02:24:07.280 more of a vocal advocate for conservative perspectives because in 2819 02:24:07.399 --> 02:24:12.000 America specifically, I think the left has been too has 2820 02:24:12.040 --> 02:24:15.120 had too much power control, and has gone off the rails. 2821 02:24:15.280 --> 02:24:18.440 So I'm not defending that as much as I like. 2822 02:24:18.719 --> 02:24:21.520 In the these or early early two thousands, even I 2823 02:24:21.680 --> 02:24:25.000 was a little more on the left side of some 2824 02:24:25.239 --> 02:24:27.760 arguments because to me, they're like you take if you 2825 02:24:27.840 --> 02:24:30.639 take the example from the from the nineties, we had 2826 02:24:30.840 --> 02:24:33.360 Al Gore and his wife, Tipper, and Tipper Gore was 2827 02:24:33.840 --> 02:24:37.399 the one who got record companies to put explicit warning 2828 02:24:37.840 --> 02:24:40.760 labels not for kids on CDs and albums, and that 2829 02:24:40.959 --> 02:24:44.440 was because they were and this was democrats in America, 2830 02:24:44.559 --> 02:24:50.200 the left holding committees on the moral implications of exposing 2831 02:24:50.319 --> 02:24:55.159 children to gangster rap lyrics and different sexual and violence, 2832 02:24:56.040 --> 02:24:58.959 which is something worth considering, you know, but now can 2833 02:24:59.079 --> 02:25:01.479 agree with dot now the modern left is. So I 2834 02:25:01.600 --> 02:25:03.799 was on the left on that argument. I was on 2835 02:25:04.399 --> 02:25:07.200 I was to the left of Al Gore and his wife, 2836 02:25:07.280 --> 02:25:09.840 the Democrats in power, you know, or at least part 2837 02:25:09.840 --> 02:25:12.120 of the Bill Clinton Democrat White House. I was to 2838 02:25:12.200 --> 02:25:14.280 the left of them, saying, I don't think you should 2839 02:25:14.319 --> 02:25:16.799 be controlling what we're allowed to buy. And then they 2840 02:25:16.840 --> 02:25:19.680 struck the compromise, Well, we'll put a warning parental advisory 2841 02:25:19.719 --> 02:25:21.440 sticker on it, and that was a I'm like, okay, 2842 02:25:21.719 --> 02:25:24.799 you warned parents, parents are in control. You've accomplished the mission. 2843 02:25:24.840 --> 02:25:27.319 It's not a bad thing to give people more information. 2844 02:25:28.559 --> 02:25:31.079 But so I was very anti sensor. Well, now the 2845 02:25:31.159 --> 02:25:34.079 left has become the in America has become pro censorship. 2846 02:25:34.319 --> 02:25:36.520 We can't let speak people have free speech because the 2847 02:25:36.559 --> 02:25:38.879 Holocaust will happen again. I'm like, okay, now I'm on 2848 02:25:38.959 --> 02:25:41.959 the concert conservative side of things, where we need a 2849 02:25:42.000 --> 02:25:43.959 lot more free speech than that. That's not a good 2850 02:25:44.040 --> 02:25:48.520 minds of things, saying what was right, what was left? 2851 02:25:48.719 --> 02:25:52.120 It's flipped, Yeah, changes a lot. Yeah. Well, now the 2852 02:25:52.840 --> 02:25:55.120 Republican part of your people like, oh, you're gay coman 2853 02:25:55.200 --> 02:25:57.079 and we don't care anymore. It's they used to be 2854 02:25:57.239 --> 02:26:01.159 very much that's a sin against nature and God. You 2855 02:26:01.239 --> 02:26:03.440 can't allow that, and now we don't care. I mean, 2856 02:26:03.920 --> 02:26:06.000 it's not just and it's a libertarian I never cared, 2857 02:26:06.159 --> 02:26:06.959 like whatever, it's. 2858 02:26:06.879 --> 02:26:11.399 Not just the polls that are shifting. There's a there, 2859 02:26:11.719 --> 02:26:14.799 like I mean, every everything is just you know, what 2860 02:26:14.959 --> 02:26:17.559 what is up is down, what is left is right. 2861 02:26:18.520 --> 02:26:22.120 You know, abnormal is normal, gay is straight. It's like 2862 02:26:23.040 --> 02:26:26.719 everything is the opposite yet somehow it is the same 2863 02:26:26.879 --> 02:26:29.680 and it should be celebrated. But at the same time, 2864 02:26:29.760 --> 02:26:33.920 don't celebrate it too much. That's why I. 2865 02:26:36.440 --> 02:26:37.239 Yeah, I know. 2866 02:26:38.280 --> 02:26:40.879 See even he thinks to say where and he's a cat, 2867 02:26:41.280 --> 02:26:42.639 like Gofi, he says. 2868 02:26:42.559 --> 02:26:46.639 Damn right, yeah no, but cats understand freedom, they value 2869 02:26:46.680 --> 02:26:48.760 it highly. Can touch me when I don't want to 2870 02:26:48.760 --> 02:26:50.920 be touched, feed me when I'm hungry, let me outside 2871 02:26:50.959 --> 02:26:56.000 sometimes you go outside or no, Yeah, he does, he does. Okay, 2872 02:26:56.159 --> 02:26:57.879 I used to have cats that let outside, and I've 2873 02:26:58.079 --> 02:27:00.360 been doing that less and less just because I worry 2874 02:27:00.360 --> 02:27:02.440 about him. You know, I don't want him going over 2875 02:27:02.440 --> 02:27:03.440 the things and getting him by this. 2876 02:27:04.399 --> 02:27:07.399 I mean, he is a Tommy is a he's a 2877 02:27:07.479 --> 02:27:08.959 tough guy at a big soft tea. 2878 02:27:09.600 --> 02:27:12.040 So you know he can he knows how to say 2879 02:27:12.079 --> 02:27:13.959 out of trouble. Well he's still alive, he must so. 2880 02:27:14.959 --> 02:27:21.200 Or he's just very good at you know, I mean, yeah, 2881 02:27:21.440 --> 02:27:23.239 getting out of trouble or surviving. 2882 02:27:23.079 --> 02:27:23.719 Out of trouble again. 2883 02:27:23.840 --> 02:27:27.399 Yeah, yeah, I don't know, but he has. He has 2884 02:27:27.479 --> 02:27:33.000 survived me for the past five years, so that's something, right. No, so, 2885 02:27:33.440 --> 02:27:35.840 uh geez two and it's again two and a half 2886 02:27:35.879 --> 02:27:36.559 hours again do. 2887 02:27:36.559 --> 02:27:38.239 A half hours? Yeah, I can say I think I 2888 02:27:38.440 --> 02:27:40.000 think I'm running out of brain. Juice in my ass 2889 02:27:40.079 --> 02:27:41.520 is starting to get sore. I should probably get him 2890 02:27:41.520 --> 02:27:42.000 walk around and. 2891 02:27:42.040 --> 02:27:43.280 I still have to have dinner. 2892 02:27:44.280 --> 02:27:46.559 Yeah right, Oh that's right. He came home and got 2893 02:27:46.600 --> 02:27:50.120 right got right into this. No, well, we can definitely 2894 02:27:50.159 --> 02:27:51.680 do it again. I've got a video game stream to 2895 02:27:51.680 --> 02:27:54.719 get ready for and I got to check this. Uh right, 2896 02:27:55.120 --> 02:27:57.319 as I was jumping into the chat with you here, 2897 02:27:57.680 --> 02:28:00.559 I had taken that gunga Din song I don't even 2898 02:28:00.559 --> 02:28:02.879 know finish. I finished telling that story. Well, it's gonna 2899 02:28:02.879 --> 02:28:05.559 be an Americana kind of up tempo country. 2900 02:28:05.719 --> 02:28:05.920 Yeah. 2901 02:28:06.360 --> 02:28:08.399 Yeah, because the way it's the way it's written. It's 2902 02:28:08.479 --> 02:28:11.239 a guy who's speaking in a very the way he's 2903 02:28:11.280 --> 02:28:14.159 punctuated it, you can tell it's a lower class British 2904 02:28:14.559 --> 02:28:19.120 kind of Cockney accent. Ye, he says, you know, he 2905 02:28:19.239 --> 02:28:23.079 gave me urfa point that that kind of speaking tone. 2906 02:28:23.120 --> 02:28:23.600 You can hear. 2907 02:28:23.879 --> 02:28:27.000 So that's definitely gonna be a heavy Southern American accent, 2908 02:28:28.239 --> 02:28:31.520 not pronouncing the g's on n M words type of 2909 02:28:31.639 --> 02:28:34.479 type of singing style. So I'm excited to go, what 2910 02:28:35.200 --> 02:28:38.000 what has Sooner produced? It's been sitting there un listened 2911 02:28:38.040 --> 02:28:40.319 to this whole time, Like, I'm kind of excited to 2912 02:28:40.360 --> 02:28:42.559 go check that out too. Yeah, no, you you go 2913 02:28:42.760 --> 02:28:45.040 do that. It's gonna be a great song you won't 2914 02:28:45.040 --> 02:28:45.840 hear for a couple of months. 2915 02:28:45.879 --> 02:28:48.000 So I need to figure out when I'm having for dinner. 2916 02:28:48.079 --> 02:28:50.360 I mean it's a it's a quarter or two midnight 2917 02:28:51.239 --> 02:28:52.399 in the meantime. 2918 02:28:52.479 --> 02:28:54.559 Might be pizza, pocket time, something in the microwave. I 2919 02:28:54.719 --> 02:28:55.159 do that a lot. 2920 02:28:55.440 --> 02:28:58.479 I don't have. I don't have anything to micro I 2921 02:28:58.559 --> 02:29:02.559 think have pizza, tostinos, pizza rolls. 2922 02:29:02.680 --> 02:29:03.959 I had some of those the other day. They were 2923 02:29:04.000 --> 02:29:05.399 so good now that I want them again. 2924 02:29:06.200 --> 02:29:08.639 I don't think they have something like that. I mean 2925 02:29:08.879 --> 02:29:12.239 what we have it's more Indomesian, I believe. 2926 02:29:12.280 --> 02:29:13.879 I mean that's that's that's. 2927 02:29:13.799 --> 02:29:16.799 Like one good thing of you know, being multicultural, you 2928 02:29:17.000 --> 02:29:20.399 you are exposed to different types of food. That is 2929 02:29:20.719 --> 02:29:23.559 not to say that you know they should come here, 2930 02:29:23.760 --> 02:29:25.280 just because of the different types of food. 2931 02:29:25.319 --> 02:29:27.079 You know, I do one or two, one or two 2932 02:29:27.120 --> 02:29:28.360 to bring their food with them. That's fine. 2933 02:29:28.639 --> 02:29:31.600 Yeah, you know, I'm not gonna get like the different spices, 2934 02:29:31.719 --> 02:29:33.680 not just pepper and salts, but you know a lot 2935 02:29:33.719 --> 02:29:36.239 of different spices as well. It's like, okay, you know keeps. 2936 02:29:36.319 --> 02:29:38.319 That's one of the funniest That's one of the funniest 2937 02:29:38.319 --> 02:29:41.520 things about Like in America, there's a there's a people 2938 02:29:41.600 --> 02:29:43.600 of colored thing that they say, oh, white people don't 2939 02:29:43.600 --> 02:29:45.200 know how to spice their food. I'm like, mist you know, 2940 02:29:45.280 --> 02:29:48.319 we fought wars for hundreds of years over spices. We 2941 02:29:49.040 --> 02:29:51.520 entries to get spices. Don't talk to me, yeah, I 2942 02:29:51.600 --> 02:29:52.360 mean in in. 2943 02:29:55.239 --> 02:29:59.559 We've even like mates, like just whole sayings with them, 2944 02:29:59.600 --> 02:30:02.239 you know, like worthier souls or here in the Netherlands, 2945 02:30:03.159 --> 02:30:07.239 bayer deer like as expensive as pepper, because apparently that 2946 02:30:07.399 --> 02:30:09.120 was which is the expensive back in the day. 2947 02:30:09.200 --> 02:30:11.000 Once upon a time, Once buon a time, like I said, 2948 02:30:11.000 --> 02:30:12.920 we were fighting wars over pepper. We were we were like, 2949 02:30:13.120 --> 02:30:15.520 we need spicy food, let's go kill those people. Well 2950 02:30:15.559 --> 02:30:15.840 they did. 2951 02:30:16.000 --> 02:30:18.559 Yeah, I mean that's like, that's that's one of the 2952 02:30:18.719 --> 02:30:21.440 main things that we brought over, like the Dutchies India 2953 02:30:21.520 --> 02:30:23.959 company we went to in Sure, we went to the East, 2954 02:30:24.000 --> 02:30:25.920 what do we bring back? I mean a whole lot 2955 02:30:25.959 --> 02:30:29.559 of freaking spices. And then everyone other, like everyone back 2956 02:30:29.600 --> 02:30:31.360 home was like, oh shit, this is good man. 2957 02:30:32.079 --> 02:30:35.000 Possibly another discussion for another time, because we keep trying 2958 02:30:35.040 --> 02:30:37.040 to say goodbye, but both of us can't stop talking. 2959 02:30:37.319 --> 02:30:39.479 Was it it was the Dutch that became the Afrikaans, 2960 02:30:39.559 --> 02:30:41.120 right they settled the yeah? 2961 02:30:41.280 --> 02:30:43.360 Or was it no? That was that was the Dutch. 2962 02:30:44.760 --> 02:30:49.360 And that's not yeah? Yeah? Was that the that's your 2963 02:30:49.719 --> 02:30:54.360 your people used to be Now they're they're certainly now 2964 02:30:54.399 --> 02:30:56.159 they're they're their own people. Yeah. I just want to 2965 02:30:56.159 --> 02:30:58.959 make sure I was getting the country of origin because 2966 02:30:59.000 --> 02:30:59.399 I couldn't. 2967 02:30:59.719 --> 02:31:04.479 Those were the Dutch and Afrikaans. If if you really, 2968 02:31:05.000 --> 02:31:07.079 if you really try, and they you know, they they 2969 02:31:07.200 --> 02:31:11.000 slow it down a little, you can almost kind of 2970 02:31:11.000 --> 02:31:13.600 make out what they're saying. I can, actually I can 2971 02:31:13.719 --> 02:31:15.959 there it is because it is like since people. 2972 02:31:15.760 --> 02:31:19.280 That speak some Spanish or German or whatever thrown in, 2973 02:31:19.319 --> 02:31:20.239 I can kind of make it out. 2974 02:31:20.600 --> 02:31:24.079 Sometimes it is, well, it used to be Dutch because 2975 02:31:24.200 --> 02:31:29.600 we left and they they actually did well on, like, 2976 02:31:30.040 --> 02:31:33.120 you know, America and the brit Sleep left them alone. 2977 02:31:33.120 --> 02:31:35.079 They were like, okay, you got your independence, and now 2978 02:31:35.120 --> 02:31:36.200 look what you don't want the country. 2979 02:31:37.000 --> 02:31:39.280 Yeah. Another another thing about those people is like they 2980 02:31:39.399 --> 02:31:43.079 didn't displace anyone. They they went to empty land and 2981 02:31:43.159 --> 02:31:45.719 built cities and and then just kind of did their 2982 02:31:45.760 --> 02:31:48.479 own thing. And then other people that were local came 2983 02:31:48.520 --> 02:31:50.000 to live with them because they're like, oh, look they 2984 02:31:50.079 --> 02:31:52.200 got a city, let's let's go live there. Yeah. And 2985 02:31:52.239 --> 02:31:54.639 then that's when the thing was, it looks. 2986 02:31:54.399 --> 02:31:56.840 A whole lot nicer, the technology is a lot better, 2987 02:31:57.120 --> 02:31:59.559 they don't look like they're starving, they don't have to 2988 02:31:59.639 --> 02:32:02.879 get they can grow their own ship. Makes life a 2989 02:32:02.879 --> 02:32:04.680 whole lot easier and a whole lot better. Let's go 2990 02:32:04.879 --> 02:32:05.879 live with them and I can. 2991 02:32:06.120 --> 02:32:08.680 Yeah, I mean, it's my perspective the the Afrikaans did 2992 02:32:08.760 --> 02:32:12.360 nothing wrong in anything, you know. So and actually I 2993 02:32:12.399 --> 02:32:16.159 think Trump just extended to the boer out there refugee 2994 02:32:16.280 --> 02:32:18.600 status like hey, if you good, feel like your life 2995 02:32:18.680 --> 02:32:19.680 is a danger and you want to get the hell 2996 02:32:19.719 --> 02:32:21.840 out of there because it is, come firm in the Midwest, 2997 02:32:21.879 --> 02:32:27.360 Come come to California. Whatever. The great subject to get 2998 02:32:27.360 --> 02:32:29.520 into the history of it, so maybe maybe another. 2999 02:32:29.719 --> 02:32:32.879 I mean just Dutch history, hell like Dutch colonial history. 3000 02:32:33.040 --> 02:32:36.440 Cheesus Okay, such a tiny country that went everywhere. I 3001 02:32:36.479 --> 02:32:38.440 mean relative to the size of other countries around you. 3002 02:32:38.479 --> 02:32:40.959 I mean you look at that that that thumbprint next 3003 02:32:41.000 --> 02:32:42.159 to the you know. 3004 02:32:42.399 --> 02:32:46.200 I mean any Dutch East India company or very successful. 3005 02:32:46.559 --> 02:32:52.840 The company was the first multi national, had its own 3006 02:32:53.120 --> 02:32:57.680 private army, was basically more powerful than any kingdom. 3007 02:32:57.959 --> 02:33:01.559 Just think, damn it. They started the globalist ship. Sorry, 3008 02:33:02.719 --> 02:33:04.559 well the English did it? We all done on behalf 3009 02:33:04.600 --> 02:33:09.799 of the Dutch you oe, Alex Alex Jones and a polity. 3010 02:33:09.959 --> 02:33:11.920 No, but it's it's so funny. It's like, oh, the 3011 02:33:12.000 --> 02:33:14.399 King of Spain doesn't want us to do this. Here, 3012 02:33:14.520 --> 02:33:16.200 here's a bag of money. Let tell him to shut 3013 02:33:16.239 --> 02:33:21.280 the fuck up. King of Spain says yeah, like they like, don't, 3014 02:33:21.399 --> 02:33:25.840 don't go do this, don't. I think I think more 3015 02:33:25.879 --> 02:33:28.639 of what America needs to do is rather than this 3016 02:33:28.799 --> 02:33:31.120 is just based on that like kings of Quins, we 3017 02:33:31.360 --> 02:33:34.440 still also have the ability is as our federal government 3018 02:33:34.520 --> 02:33:37.399 to give out letters of mark and reprisal. So instead 3019 02:33:37.440 --> 02:33:39.399 of invading and other country, I think we should just 3020 02:33:39.399 --> 02:33:41.159 put bounties on the head of certain people that are 3021 02:33:41.559 --> 02:33:45.200 like really bad dudes, I mean, and then hey, maybe 3022 02:33:45.280 --> 02:33:48.079 the locals, maybe they pick up that letter of market reprisal, 3023 02:33:48.159 --> 02:33:49.360 they take care of the bad dude and they get 3024 02:33:49.360 --> 02:33:50.959 paid for it. I think that's how we could deal 3025 02:33:51.040 --> 02:33:53.280 with the cartels in Mexico too. We don't have to 3026 02:33:53.319 --> 02:33:54.520 go down there with our troops. We don't have to 3027 02:33:54.600 --> 02:33:56.280 invade with our army, we don't have to drop bombs 3028 02:33:56.319 --> 02:33:57.920 on them. We just put out a bounty on the 3029 02:33:57.959 --> 02:34:00.440 head of the cartel. Then someone can come collect the 3030 02:34:00.479 --> 02:34:03.799 payday or do what else the prize or did you 3031 02:34:03.840 --> 02:34:07.120 know take their example. Okay, yeah, like holy shit, MS 3032 02:34:07.239 --> 02:34:10.319 thirteen and it's pretty much not a thing anymore. 3033 02:34:10.959 --> 02:34:13.920 Yeah, now, the only I mean being the question everything 3034 02:34:14.120 --> 02:34:16.319 contrary and that I am sometimes I'm like, I hope 3035 02:34:16.319 --> 02:34:18.600 he didn't sweep up too many innocent people when he 3036 02:34:18.680 --> 02:34:21.959 did that. Probably not. I mean, I think most of 3037 02:34:21.959 --> 02:34:24.159 the folks he got were in the gangs and well 3038 02:34:24.239 --> 02:34:26.639 known to be violent, and he dealt with those people. 3039 02:34:27.440 --> 02:34:28.399 We have a little different thing. 3040 02:34:28.360 --> 02:34:31.600 In Americas of like different interviews, and that's like also 3041 02:34:31.719 --> 02:34:35.200 usually how the gangs work, Like you don't get the tattoo, 3042 02:34:35.319 --> 02:34:39.680 you don't get the representation if you're not in the gang, 3043 02:34:40.319 --> 02:34:41.120 you know, yeah, and then you. 3044 02:34:41.200 --> 02:34:43.440 Just up with the tattoo. You're you're pretty good. 3045 02:34:43.680 --> 02:34:46.319 Yeah yeah, and you have to you have to have 3046 02:34:46.440 --> 02:34:50.479 killed for it, Like that's the initiation. Like you kill, 3047 02:34:51.000 --> 02:34:53.239 you get the tattoo, which means you're in the gang. 3048 02:34:53.360 --> 02:34:55.360 Or well, I guess the other way around. For the league, 3049 02:34:55.360 --> 02:34:57.639 it's like, and anyone kills, you're in the gang, you 3050 02:34:57.719 --> 02:35:00.559 get the tattoo, which means you one of us. 3051 02:35:01.319 --> 02:35:04.200 Yeah. And if you're an American or international citizen so 3052 02:35:04.239 --> 02:35:07.360 to speak, above of another not American country, sure you 3053 02:35:07.760 --> 02:35:10.639 want Yeah, what am I trying to say? If you 3054 02:35:10.840 --> 02:35:15.040 don't think Mexican cartels and other very dangerous groups need 3055 02:35:15.120 --> 02:35:16.239 to be dealt with, you got to see some of 3056 02:35:16.239 --> 02:35:18.799 the videos that are out there. I cannot recommend it, 3057 02:35:19.280 --> 02:35:21.920 but if you search for a video called funky Town, 3058 02:35:22.479 --> 02:35:24.799 you will know why we need to deal with that. 3059 02:35:25.120 --> 02:35:27.920 I have only seen a description of it. I have 3060 02:35:28.079 --> 02:35:30.040 not watched the video because I won't do that to myself. 3061 02:35:30.159 --> 02:35:32.799 But if you have any doubts about whether some very 3062 02:35:32.840 --> 02:35:34.799 bad dudes that really need to be taken care of 3063 02:35:35.040 --> 02:35:37.840 and cannot be allowed to just continue hurting people. Watch 3064 02:35:37.879 --> 02:35:39.559 some of those videos that are out there, I mean 3065 02:35:39.639 --> 02:35:42.120 of pretty horrible things, and they do it kind of 3066 02:35:42.159 --> 02:35:44.120 for fun. What was was one story I heard that 3067 02:35:44.200 --> 02:35:46.280 the cartel would have a thing like where they'd throw 3068 02:35:46.319 --> 02:35:48.840 a big party with a bunch of hookers and then 3069 02:35:48.840 --> 02:35:50.079 they would just kill them all at the end of 3070 02:35:50.079 --> 02:35:51.959 the night for fun, take them in the basement and 3071 02:35:52.079 --> 02:35:54.399 do horrible things. I mean, these are not good people 3072 02:35:54.639 --> 02:35:56.520 that I wouldn't mind if bad things happened to them, 3073 02:35:56.520 --> 02:36:00.799 because that's their idea. That shouldn't that shouldn't happen to anybody. Yep, anyway, 3074 02:36:01.040 --> 02:36:03.159 I should go that's it all. Just start saying progressively 3075 02:36:03.200 --> 02:36:03.840 crazier things. 3076 02:36:04.040 --> 02:36:06.200 That's how you know it's the end of the show, right, 3077 02:36:06.920 --> 02:36:09.559 So yeah, I mean, thank you for coming on. We 3078 02:36:09.760 --> 02:36:10.319 touched on. 3079 02:36:12.399 --> 02:36:16.280 Everything everything I don't which. The only thing we left 3080 02:36:16.280 --> 02:36:18.200 out was the kitchen's sake next time. 3081 02:36:18.360 --> 02:36:20.719 Yeah, I'll be using it to, you know, make dinner. 3082 02:36:20.760 --> 02:36:22.600 Of course. Well that was I mean to to kind 3083 02:36:22.600 --> 02:36:24.680 of bring it around full circle. We started with the 3084 02:36:24.760 --> 02:36:26.040 idea of you know, what is a what is a 3085 02:36:26.559 --> 02:36:28.600 fake God? And in that way it you know, you 3086 02:36:28.639 --> 02:36:30.200 could look at it from a biblical lens. What is 3087 02:36:30.239 --> 02:36:32.920 a false idol? What is giving your faith or belief 3088 02:36:33.000 --> 02:36:35.040 to something that is not true and does not produce 3089 02:36:35.120 --> 02:36:37.040 good results? And we kind of talked to and that 3090 02:36:37.200 --> 02:36:38.840 opens the door to everything. What do you believe? How 3091 02:36:38.879 --> 02:36:40.879 do you engage with the world, What are the good 3092 02:36:40.920 --> 02:36:42.840 outcomes you you want to see? And how do you 3093 02:36:42.920 --> 02:36:44.799 achieve them? Kind of it all start. I think it 3094 02:36:44.840 --> 02:36:47.639 all starts with it with questioning our faith are what 3095 02:36:47.719 --> 02:36:49.319 do I believe and why? Yeah? 3096 02:36:50.200 --> 02:36:53.079 And then we also came to the conclusion that tribalism 3097 02:36:53.200 --> 02:36:57.639 and having tribal land or tribal patches of lands true 3098 02:36:57.760 --> 02:36:58.680 enclaves in. 3099 02:36:58.719 --> 02:37:02.799 America might be good reservation. Save the red Heads. That's 3100 02:37:02.920 --> 02:37:04.639 that's my message we should come away with. 3101 02:37:04.719 --> 02:37:06.840 This should start we saved the red Heads. 3102 02:37:07.000 --> 02:37:10.959 You know, for sure, do your part. No, but this 3103 02:37:11.079 --> 02:37:13.280 has been a it has been. 3104 02:37:13.200 --> 02:37:19.840 A most most fascinating chat for well two This is 3105 02:37:20.040 --> 02:37:24.079 before editing, of course, so two hours forty two at the. 3106 02:37:24.159 --> 02:37:25.959 Moment, we just lapped the whole thing. I've done bother me. 3107 02:37:26.120 --> 02:37:28.239 I'm fine with it. However, however you want to do it, 3108 02:37:28.479 --> 02:37:30.520 so I I like, just do. 3109 02:37:32.000 --> 02:37:35.840 Basic basic editing like I don't. I don't cut a 3110 02:37:35.959 --> 02:37:40.319 whole lot out just you know, the what is it 3111 02:37:40.440 --> 02:37:44.559 like the filler words and shore the longer pauses to 3112 02:37:44.840 --> 02:37:47.680 just make it a consistent hole. But I never cut 3113 02:37:47.719 --> 02:37:49.840 out more than I mean. 3114 02:37:49.920 --> 02:37:52.559 It's all part of that producer's craft. We were talking 3115 02:37:52.559 --> 02:37:56.079 about two yeah, yeah, no exactly finding the right mix. 3116 02:37:56.559 --> 02:37:59.799 So yeah, I mean, dude, like like your stuff real quick. 3117 02:38:00.079 --> 02:38:02.120 Then oh yeah, I'm a guy. So at the bottom 3118 02:38:02.120 --> 02:38:03.639 of the screen there probably you'll see it, says uh 3119 02:38:03.920 --> 02:38:06.360 Benjamin the dream Wizard dot com. You can also uh 3120 02:38:06.399 --> 02:38:08.680 you know, find me of course at Benjamin the dream 3121 02:38:08.680 --> 02:38:14.079 Wizer on YouTube and my music channel at real AI 3122 02:38:14.639 --> 02:38:18.520 Radio where all those songs are. I got books about dreams, 3123 02:38:18.559 --> 02:38:23.079 I do video game streams. I need I need ah 3124 02:38:23.719 --> 02:38:25.680 now that just Bryan, I got books about dreams and 3125 02:38:25.840 --> 02:38:27.840 video game streams. Maybe I need to write a song 3126 02:38:27.959 --> 02:38:32.280 or a poem when I this off nothing, when I 3127 02:38:32.360 --> 02:38:36.239 still can't up goodbye? But one more thing, right? What 3128 02:38:36.520 --> 02:38:39.079 Every every day, every day I open up my my 3129 02:38:39.239 --> 02:38:42.479 video game streams with a toast, and it's it's bringing 3130 02:38:43.040 --> 02:38:45.840 a bunch of different ways of toasting from different languages. 3131 02:38:45.840 --> 02:38:47.440 I don't know if you've seen at the beginning. Yeah, 3132 02:38:48.079 --> 02:38:50.799 it's uh, let's say it's uh, it's I pros it 3133 02:38:50.840 --> 02:38:55.280 there gonna be like nostrovia conpi salude, cheers to you, 3134 02:38:55.760 --> 02:38:57.280 and here's mudd in your eye, and it just brings 3135 02:38:57.319 --> 02:38:58.959 all those together. So wherever you're at in the world, 3136 02:38:59.000 --> 02:39:01.479 I'm saying cheers to you in your own hopefully there's 3137 02:39:01.520 --> 02:39:03.639 too many languages, But I okay all of that to 3138 02:39:03.719 --> 02:39:05.959 say that when I'm plugging my stuff, I should come 3139 02:39:06.040 --> 02:39:07.559 up with a poem that says all the things in 3140 02:39:07.639 --> 02:39:09.719 rhymes and then I can memorize that and it'll be 3141 02:39:09.719 --> 02:39:12.520 a lot that won't be rambling as much. So anyway, 3142 02:39:12.639 --> 02:39:15.040 that's me, that's my stuff. I'm out there. You can 3143 02:39:15.079 --> 02:39:17.280 find me. Don't follow me on Twitter. I say crazy shit, 3144 02:39:18.200 --> 02:39:20.479 or do if you're into nuts, or do if you're 3145 02:39:20.520 --> 02:39:23.200 into that yet I mean that fits you off though, Yeah, 3146 02:39:23.319 --> 02:39:25.399 I mean that's that's one of the traits of a wizards. 3147 02:39:25.520 --> 02:39:27.440 You know, he says crazy shit sometimes. 3148 02:39:27.559 --> 02:39:30.239 I know, be quite so sure you know exactly what 3149 02:39:30.360 --> 02:39:32.559 a wizard's up to, even he doesn't know what he's 3150 02:39:32.639 --> 02:39:36.079 up to half the time. That's that's for sure. That's it, right, 3151 02:39:36.280 --> 02:39:37.840 I trust my gut. I just go with it. I 3152 02:39:37.879 --> 02:39:39.319 don't know why I'm doing this with this, this is 3153 02:39:39.360 --> 02:39:40.959 what I need to do. Well, thank you for having me. 3154 02:39:41.000 --> 02:39:42.719 I appreciate it. It's always always going to talk to you. 3155 02:39:43.000 --> 02:39:48.000 Yeah, absolutely absolutely, I still need to like plug my stuff. 3156 02:39:48.000 --> 02:39:49.239 I have shit going on as well. 3157 02:39:49.760 --> 02:39:50.319 Oh yeah, do it? 3158 02:39:50.399 --> 02:39:50.559 Do it? 3159 02:39:51.319 --> 02:39:51.360 So? 3160 02:39:51.680 --> 02:39:54.319 Uh yeah, thank you everyone for watching. Thank you everyone 3161 02:39:54.479 --> 02:39:58.600 for uh for listening. Thank you for uh for sticking 3162 02:39:58.680 --> 02:40:05.639 with us on this. Uh like again like Rambly sites Tangent, uh, 3163 02:40:06.399 --> 02:40:12.200 you know, Hopscotch kind of episodes. But I mean that's 3164 02:40:12.360 --> 02:40:15.239 that's just what happens when you have someone who is 3165 02:40:16.840 --> 02:40:19.280 you know, who is as awesome as as Ben Like. 3166 02:40:19.440 --> 02:40:21.680 I mean, there's a reason why it's like two hours 3167 02:40:21.719 --> 02:40:24.120 forty five at the moment. It's not because you know, 3168 02:40:24.200 --> 02:40:26.040 we don't have anything to talk about. I mean we 3169 02:40:26.120 --> 02:40:28.000 can go for like another two hour forty five. 3170 02:40:28.120 --> 02:40:30.440 Probably. I'm not a hero. It's just what I do 3171 02:40:33.280 --> 02:40:34.799 callbacks the best man. 3172 02:40:35.040 --> 02:40:38.559 Yeah. So I guess you know, if if you want 3173 02:40:38.639 --> 02:40:41.840 to be my personal hero, god, I should like que 3174 02:40:42.040 --> 02:40:46.000 Enriy Guglecia's hero. Like at this point, it's such a 3175 02:40:46.079 --> 02:40:49.959 bat song, you know, go Christ, I'm trying. 3176 02:40:49.799 --> 02:40:52.799 To come on man. Greyhorn Pagans dot com. 3177 02:40:53.280 --> 02:40:56.879 Yeah yeah, that is of course the website Greyhorn Pagans 3178 02:40:56.920 --> 02:40:59.879 dot com where you can find everything that we do 3179 02:41:00.079 --> 02:41:02.319 with the Tribe of the Grand Pagan's Ground Pagans podcast 3180 02:41:02.440 --> 02:41:04.879 Growth of Odin is where you can find the merchandise. 3181 02:41:04.920 --> 02:41:08.280 It's where you can find the Patreon Patreon dot com 3182 02:41:08.319 --> 02:41:12.319 first as Gronart Pagans, where all the episodes, including this one, 3183 02:41:12.479 --> 02:41:15.559 will of course air a week early, well week in 3184 02:41:15.680 --> 02:41:19.079 a day early, because I'm not like airing a new 3185 02:41:19.120 --> 02:41:21.680 episode on Patreon and on YouTube on the same day. 3186 02:41:22.239 --> 02:41:25.120 Don't worry, I'm not going to make you choose. 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He won't look you 3231 02:44:10.719 --> 02:44:11.360 look at the camera. 3232 02:44:12.799 --> 02:44:15.559 Well, and I guess with all that said, the kiddy 3233 02:44:15.600 --> 02:44:18.440 says by, Ben says by the wife is calling. So yeah, 3234 02:44:18.600 --> 02:44:20.959 thank you all. Until the next time, everyone, Bye bye. 3235 02:44:32.879 --> 02:44:36.879 This was yet another amazing episode of the Gray Horned 3236 02:44:36.920 --> 02:44:40.319 Pagans podcast. We thank you all for watching. We thank 3237 02:44:40.399 --> 02:44:45.639 you all for listening, and remember to like, share, subscribe, 3238 02:44:45.799 --> 02:44:49.280 and hit that notification bell so you will be notified. 3239 02:44:49.000 --> 02:44:50.959 Whenever we upload something new. 3240 02:44:51.920 --> 02:44:55.959 Support us on Patreon for early access and for everything 3241 02:44:56.000 --> 02:44:58.239 else that we do with the Tribe. 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