WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.080 --> 00:00:07.639 It's night time with Dan Ray on waz Boston News Radio. 2 00:00:08.480 --> 00:00:12.560 All right, I want to welcome back to the program 3 00:00:13.039 --> 00:00:15.800 guest who has joined us several times over the years, 4 00:00:16.440 --> 00:00:21.800 todd Lyons. Todd is with ICE. He's been with ICE, 5 00:00:21.879 --> 00:00:25.679 Todd now for how many years. 6 00:00:24.960 --> 00:00:26.719 Going on almost seventeen years now. 7 00:00:27.359 --> 00:00:30.359 All right, and you are the National Assistant Director of 8 00:00:30.519 --> 00:00:36.960 ICE for field operations. Explain to us what that means. 9 00:00:37.439 --> 00:00:39.600 So how arey I'm I'm talking Dad. I'm the senior 10 00:00:39.640 --> 00:00:44.640 executive over immigration enforcement and forced to remove operations. So 11 00:00:44.679 --> 00:00:46.799 in the past, Dan, you've had me on talking about 12 00:00:46.799 --> 00:00:50.280 what RO does. E RO does is the law enforcement 13 00:00:51.439 --> 00:00:54.679 enforcement arm of ICE. We handle all this immigration with 14 00:00:54.719 --> 00:00:59.600 the United States. I currently oversee all twenty five ICE 15 00:00:59.679 --> 00:01:03.840 field offices in all fifty states, in all the US territories. 16 00:01:04.079 --> 00:01:06.200 I used to be the field office strict up here 17 00:01:06.200 --> 00:01:09.239 in Boston, which covered all of New England. So I'm 18 00:01:09.280 --> 00:01:12.480 still really tied in and familiar with all the issues 19 00:01:12.519 --> 00:01:16.560 that the Commonwealth and Massachusetts are dealing with now with 20 00:01:16.640 --> 00:01:20.719 a lot of our sanctuary policies and immigration issues. In 21 00:01:20.760 --> 00:01:22.439 regards to law enforcement. 22 00:01:24.439 --> 00:01:31.439 The the the enforcement policies have they changed here in 23 00:01:31.439 --> 00:01:36.920 Massachusetts with the change of administrations between the Baker administration 24 00:01:37.040 --> 00:01:38.159 and the Healthy administration. 25 00:01:38.719 --> 00:01:42.920 In your opinion, yeah, I think they have you know, 26 00:01:43.000 --> 00:01:45.200 one thing, and you and I have talked about this 27 00:01:45.239 --> 00:01:48.760 in the past. Immigration enforcement is one of the few 28 00:01:48.879 --> 00:01:55.480 law federal law enforcement agencies that evan flows with the 29 00:01:55.519 --> 00:02:00.120 tides of administration. So every four to eight years and 30 00:02:00.359 --> 00:02:04.079 ICE officer or an agent could be doing their job differently. 31 00:02:05.040 --> 00:02:09.000 Our priorities that are still the same federally. Our three 32 00:02:09.080 --> 00:02:14.360 main focuses are national security and terrorism threats, public safety 33 00:02:14.360 --> 00:02:18.360 threats and egregious crimes, and recent border entrants. In the 34 00:02:18.400 --> 00:02:23.439 Commonwealth specifically, you know, Massachusetts and Boston, it's become a 35 00:02:23.479 --> 00:02:29.120 lot harder for ICE specifically ERO officers to do their 36 00:02:29.199 --> 00:02:32.599 job up here and really focus on public safety threats 37 00:02:32.599 --> 00:02:33.960 that are out there in the communities. 38 00:02:35.400 --> 00:02:43.439 Well, recently there was a report released. The Boston Globe 39 00:02:43.840 --> 00:02:47.759 sought the report, the state Republican Party sought the report, 40 00:02:47.879 --> 00:02:51.800 and the report was finally released, so three hundred page 41 00:02:51.840 --> 00:02:57.599 report and the Globe the Herald did the story this morning, 42 00:02:57.639 --> 00:03:01.879 and the Globe will be doing this this story tomorrow 43 00:03:03.159 --> 00:03:10.680 because they released a report late this afternoon and basically. 44 00:03:10.759 --> 00:03:14.439 According to the Globe, the drug arrest, domestic violence rapes, 45 00:03:14.479 --> 00:03:18.639 more than a thousand serious incidents reported at Massachusetts shelters. 46 00:03:18.919 --> 00:03:23.080 Now important to say that not everyone at a Massachusetts 47 00:03:23.159 --> 00:03:27.319 shelter is someone who is here on an immigration or 48 00:03:27.439 --> 00:03:31.360 legal immigration status, because there are people who stay in 49 00:03:31.439 --> 00:03:34.840 shelters for which the law was originally written back in 50 00:03:35.120 --> 00:03:37.840 nineteen eighty three, passed and signed by Governor Decacus in 51 00:03:37.919 --> 00:03:41.639 nineteen eighty three so that women and children in Massachusetts 52 00:03:41.680 --> 00:03:46.680 would never be unhoused. But that's a lot of serious 53 00:03:46.719 --> 00:03:51.080 incidents over the last couple of years at Massachusetts shelters, 54 00:03:51.879 --> 00:03:55.840 and some of them, obviously, I think they're all serious. 55 00:03:55.879 --> 00:03:58.360 The Globe headline says they're serious, but some are more 56 00:03:58.400 --> 00:04:02.159 serious than others. Some deal with, you know, a disagreement 57 00:04:02.240 --> 00:04:05.280 or a fight, a couple of guys you know get 58 00:04:05.319 --> 00:04:08.000 you know, getting in into a boxing match in the 59 00:04:08.080 --> 00:04:11.400 lobby of a hotel not particularly pleasant, don't get me wrong. 60 00:04:11.439 --> 00:04:14.639 But when you compare you know, rapes and rapes of 61 00:04:14.680 --> 00:04:21.199 minor children, it gets really serious. How are these immigrants 62 00:04:21.399 --> 00:04:25.240 here who were here and are being accommodated when they 63 00:04:25.519 --> 00:04:28.399 break the law? I mean, you had the guy down 64 00:04:28.439 --> 00:04:31.199 in I think it was Rockland who was accused of 65 00:04:31.600 --> 00:04:37.360 raping a young girl. Are you getting much cooperation here 66 00:04:37.399 --> 00:04:39.839 from Massachusetts or no? 67 00:04:39.839 --> 00:04:40.240 No, Dan. 68 00:04:40.319 --> 00:04:43.439 And actually the reports that you've seen and that the 69 00:04:44.360 --> 00:04:47.959 Herald and the Global reporting on they obviously have the redacted, 70 00:04:48.000 --> 00:04:51.639 blacked out versions. Unfortunately, that's what E. Ro O sees. 71 00:04:51.879 --> 00:04:55.279 We didn't know about. Oh. I would say almost ninety 72 00:04:55.279 --> 00:04:59.560 percent of all those serious incidents addressed in those reports, 73 00:05:00.199 --> 00:05:03.839 Ice was never notified about any of them. We don't 74 00:05:03.879 --> 00:05:07.639 have that cooperation and communication with the state. So for instance, 75 00:05:08.040 --> 00:05:12.240 the Rockland case that you had referenced, the rape case 76 00:05:12.279 --> 00:05:14.639 and PbD that was high profile, and now the new 77 00:05:14.680 --> 00:05:19.240 one with Revere PD and the ar fifteen and the 78 00:05:19.480 --> 00:05:23.720 five kilos of Fennel. Luckily Revere PD reached out to us. 79 00:05:23.759 --> 00:05:25.879 You have a great partnership with them. But the other 80 00:05:25.920 --> 00:05:30.000 ones were all from biometric hits on fingerprints after they 81 00:05:30.000 --> 00:05:33.040 were arrested, so we weren't even notified by the state. 82 00:05:34.000 --> 00:05:37.319 You know, it's with good partners like Revere that actually 83 00:05:37.519 --> 00:05:41.000 realized with a serious crime and they wanted that individual, 84 00:05:41.079 --> 00:05:43.560 you know, out of their community that they reached out 85 00:05:43.600 --> 00:05:44.240 to us. 86 00:05:44.600 --> 00:05:48.839 Five kilos of fentanyl in the Revere case. I believe 87 00:05:48.839 --> 00:05:55.160 alo was two point two pounds. If my life, if 88 00:05:55.199 --> 00:05:58.439 I remember from my high school math classes, that's like 89 00:05:58.519 --> 00:05:59.920 ten or eleven pounds of fenta. 90 00:06:01.759 --> 00:06:04.600 Yes, correct, and it's almost a million dollars. 91 00:06:04.959 --> 00:06:09.120 Yeah, Well, how much fentonyl how much damage could ten 92 00:06:09.160 --> 00:06:11.879 point two pounds or ten pounds of fen or eleven 93 00:06:11.920 --> 00:06:15.560 pounds of fentanyl do in a population of six point 94 00:06:15.639 --> 00:06:17.759 seven million people, which is the number of people who 95 00:06:17.800 --> 00:06:19.600 live here in the Cornwalth of Massachusetts. 96 00:06:20.639 --> 00:06:24.720 Well, recently fentanyl has been rated as and considered a 97 00:06:24.720 --> 00:06:28.600 weapon of mass destruction. It could pretty much wipe out 98 00:06:28.879 --> 00:06:31.439 almost half the population in Massachusetts. 99 00:06:34.040 --> 00:06:35.879 You know, this is necessarious stuff. 100 00:06:35.879 --> 00:06:39.120 When we get back, Todd, I'd like to have some 101 00:06:39.199 --> 00:06:43.399 folks ask your questions, take some phone calls, because your 102 00:06:43.519 --> 00:06:47.360 job has not been been an easy job. It's going 103 00:06:47.439 --> 00:06:52.439 to change with the administration, I believe, come January twentieth, 104 00:06:52.920 --> 00:06:57.920 and I'd like to focus on where you think ICE 105 00:06:58.000 --> 00:07:01.720 will be focusing. I have SoundBite here before we go 106 00:07:02.360 --> 00:07:08.439 from former Senator Hillary Clinton, and it just kind of 107 00:07:08.480 --> 00:07:14.319 shows how over time different politicians have changed their viewpoint. 108 00:07:15.240 --> 00:07:20.040 In this SoundBite from Hillary Clinton, it only goes about thirty. 109 00:07:19.759 --> 00:07:20.439 Seconds or so. 110 00:07:22.120 --> 00:07:26.160 I think she says what most people in America feel, 111 00:07:26.319 --> 00:07:33.360 particularly as it refers to serious crimes and criminal activity. 112 00:07:33.439 --> 00:07:36.079 So this is Hillary Clinton. I don't know if Hillary 113 00:07:36.079 --> 00:07:40.639 Clinton would articulate this today as she articulated a few 114 00:07:40.680 --> 00:07:41.120 years ago. 115 00:07:41.199 --> 00:07:43.319 Rob please play this Hillary Clinton SoundBite. 116 00:07:43.480 --> 00:07:46.399 I think we got to have tough conditions. Tell people 117 00:07:46.399 --> 00:07:48.720 to come out of the shadows. If they've committed a crime, 118 00:07:49.160 --> 00:07:51.560 deport them, no questions asked, They're gone. 119 00:07:52.240 --> 00:07:54.800 If they. 120 00:07:55.279 --> 00:07:58.800 If they've been working in our law abiding we should say, 121 00:07:58.839 --> 00:08:01.000 here are the conditions for you. You have to pay 122 00:08:01.000 --> 00:08:03.720 a stiff fine because you came here illegally. You have 123 00:08:03.800 --> 00:08:06.439 to pay back taxes, and you have to try to 124 00:08:06.519 --> 00:08:13.680 learn English, and you have to wait in line. 125 00:08:14.920 --> 00:08:17.639 I don't know that she'd be saying that today, Todge. 126 00:08:17.680 --> 00:08:22.759 And it's to me, it's frustrating when a politician stakes 127 00:08:22.800 --> 00:08:27.600 out a position and then because maybe the leadership in 128 00:08:27.639 --> 00:08:30.720 her party or his or her party changes that position, 129 00:08:31.199 --> 00:08:34.600 they change the position. How frustrating is it, you know, 130 00:08:34.679 --> 00:08:38.879 without criticizing either party here, but how frustrating is it 131 00:08:38.919 --> 00:08:42.639 to hear a politician one day say that and just 132 00:08:42.679 --> 00:08:46.759 a few years later, never possibly say that again. 133 00:08:48.039 --> 00:08:51.679 Oh, it's extremely frustrating for us, especially when we're out 134 00:08:51.720 --> 00:08:55.840 there every day trying to track down those exact people 135 00:08:55.919 --> 00:08:59.200 she's talking about in that clip, the ones that are criminals, 136 00:08:59.240 --> 00:09:03.159 that are committee various crimes. No one will ever argue 137 00:09:03.519 --> 00:09:09.080 about ICE arresting and deporting and illegal child sex offender. 138 00:09:09.240 --> 00:09:11.879 And that's what we're doing. And luckily you've given me 139 00:09:11.919 --> 00:09:16.399 a platform along with some other media outlets, actually champion 140 00:09:16.480 --> 00:09:20.519 the good work that ICE in Ero have done in Massachusetts. 141 00:09:20.559 --> 00:09:23.799 So I think a lot of people know that's exactly 142 00:09:23.840 --> 00:09:27.519 what we're doing, is arresting these public safety threats. But 143 00:09:28.600 --> 00:09:32.720 when the political tide shift, it really makes our job difficult. 144 00:09:32.799 --> 00:09:36.600 And it's so frustrating for us because it's never good 145 00:09:36.639 --> 00:09:39.799 to demonize a law enforcement agency, and unfortunately that's what's 146 00:09:39.840 --> 00:09:43.639 happened to us over the past eight to ten years. 147 00:09:43.679 --> 00:09:45.039 It's been an uphill battle. 148 00:09:45.679 --> 00:09:45.879 You know. 149 00:09:46.120 --> 00:09:49.000 It was funny back in about two thouy and eleven, 150 00:09:49.080 --> 00:09:51.799 there was a governor in Arizona. Her name was Jan Brewer. 151 00:09:52.000 --> 00:09:55.159 She's a Republican, and she tried to pass some laws 152 00:09:55.240 --> 00:09:59.480 in Arizona which would actually have been tougher than the 153 00:09:59.519 --> 00:10:04.799 federal laws, and her effort was struck down by the 154 00:10:04.799 --> 00:10:08.399 Supreme Court in the state in the US versus Arizona decision, 155 00:10:09.080 --> 00:10:16.559 saying that basically federal law on immigration preempted any possible 156 00:10:16.759 --> 00:10:20.279 state laws. So now we have quite the opposite. We 157 00:10:20.360 --> 00:10:23.919 have democratic governors who are trying to preempt the federal 158 00:10:24.360 --> 00:10:28.919 position on immigration laws. And I suspect that that may 159 00:10:29.519 --> 00:10:33.000 once again continue a couple of weeks from now when 160 00:10:33.080 --> 00:10:36.399 the immigration law changes in Massachusetts. So I'll leave that 161 00:10:36.519 --> 00:10:39.440 question hanging, and I'll invite people to join the conversation 162 00:10:39.919 --> 00:10:43.320 and if they'd like to call and commend you for 163 00:10:43.399 --> 00:10:46.360 the work that you've done under some very difficult circumstances. 164 00:10:46.440 --> 00:10:48.679 I hope some of the folks will take that opportunity. 165 00:10:49.159 --> 00:10:51.600 Those circumstances might change a little bit in a couple 166 00:10:51.639 --> 00:10:55.559 of weeks, and if anyone has questions as to what's 167 00:10:55.600 --> 00:11:00.320 going to happen and what the focus and what the 168 00:11:00.320 --> 00:11:06.039 primary focus of ICE will be after January twentieth, I'd 169 00:11:06.080 --> 00:11:08.600 like to get that clarified as well. My guest is 170 00:11:08.639 --> 00:11:12.559 todd Lyons. He has been with ICE now for seventeen 171 00:11:12.679 --> 00:11:16.720 or eighteen years. He's the National Assistant Director of ICE 172 00:11:17.279 --> 00:11:21.200 for local Operations and Enforcement, and if you'd like to 173 00:11:21.279 --> 00:11:23.399 join the conversation six months seven two, five four to 174 00:11:23.480 --> 00:11:26.240 ten thirty. Six months seven nine, three one ten thirty, 175 00:11:26.279 --> 00:11:29.519 we'll be right back on Nightside with Todd Lyons, who, 176 00:11:30.320 --> 00:11:34.639 along with other members of Immigration and Customs Enforcement, put 177 00:11:34.679 --> 00:11:38.759 their lives on the line every day, as most law 178 00:11:38.879 --> 00:11:42.600 enforcement officers do in this country to keep our community safe. 179 00:11:42.639 --> 00:11:46.039 And for that we need to be very very thankful 180 00:11:46.240 --> 00:11:49.080 that there are men like men and women like todd 181 00:11:49.120 --> 00:11:51.399 Lyons out there willing to step into that breach. Back 182 00:11:51.399 --> 00:11:54.360 on Nightside, feel free to join the conversation right after this. 183 00:11:55.200 --> 00:11:58.399 Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World 184 00:11:58.480 --> 00:12:01.639 night Side Studios, News Radio. 185 00:12:02.559 --> 00:12:05.360 My guess is Todd Lyons. He's the National Assistant Director 186 00:12:05.360 --> 00:12:09.120 of Field Operations for ICE and a few days from 187 00:12:09.159 --> 00:12:14.240 now the national leadership of ICE. They will change with 188 00:12:14.320 --> 00:12:19.440 the change of a new administration. Is your sense, Todd 189 00:12:19.559 --> 00:12:22.759 that things are going to change or do you feel 190 00:12:22.759 --> 00:12:23.639 that things will. 191 00:12:23.480 --> 00:12:24.080 Stay the same. 192 00:12:25.679 --> 00:12:27.080 No, I think it's going to change. 193 00:12:27.240 --> 00:12:27.480 Dan. 194 00:12:28.360 --> 00:12:31.840 We're already seeing the needle move. We've had a lot 195 00:12:31.879 --> 00:12:37.799 of jurisdictions, a lot of municipalities around the country reach 196 00:12:37.879 --> 00:12:40.919 out and want to know how they can work with ICE. 197 00:12:41.519 --> 00:12:43.320 What we've seen, they want to do a lot of 198 00:12:43.399 --> 00:12:50.200 intelligent sharing. So I do think that the public has 199 00:12:51.000 --> 00:12:55.039 come to appreciate what we do. I think before there 200 00:12:55.120 --> 00:13:00.120 was such a satism associated with immigration enforcement and what 201 00:13:00.200 --> 00:13:05.600 we were doing. I think that by you know yourself, 202 00:13:05.639 --> 00:13:07.360 if you were one of the first programs that was 203 00:13:07.360 --> 00:13:09.759 ever on that you invited me on, we had a 204 00:13:09.799 --> 00:13:12.840 really good conversation about both sides of the immigration issue. 205 00:13:13.120 --> 00:13:17.639 When people actually hear what we do, I think they 206 00:13:17.679 --> 00:13:22.039 have a better failing knowing what the new administration is 207 00:13:22.080 --> 00:13:24.399 going to be doing, because we're going to be focusing 208 00:13:24.480 --> 00:13:28.600 on those public safety threats, those national security threats. And 209 00:13:28.679 --> 00:13:30.919 I think that more and more of these stories that 210 00:13:31.000 --> 00:13:33.840 come out, especially one of them, the agregious and the 211 00:13:33.879 --> 00:13:36.440 heinous ones, I do think that we are going to 212 00:13:36.440 --> 00:13:39.279 get more support. But I also know there are there 213 00:13:39.279 --> 00:13:41.399 are going to be many roblocks ahead too as well. 214 00:13:41.639 --> 00:13:45.399 Yeah, I suspect it is that the battle will continue. 215 00:13:45.440 --> 00:13:47.279 Let's get some phone calls going here for you. Let 216 00:13:47.279 --> 00:13:49.759 me go to Jim and East Boston first. Jim, you 217 00:13:49.840 --> 00:13:52.879 were first tonight with todd Lyons of Ice School. 218 00:13:52.919 --> 00:13:56.200 Right ahead, Jim, Hey, thank you for having me on 219 00:13:56.240 --> 00:13:58.399 your show. I'm a first time caller and I listen 220 00:13:58.440 --> 00:14:01.159 to you all the time. My lifelong Massachusetts resident. 221 00:14:01.720 --> 00:14:03.440 I got to get you a rounding across as the 222 00:14:03.440 --> 00:14:07.120 first that call from a vircial studio audience. And congratulations. 223 00:14:07.120 --> 00:14:09.559 Thanks Jim Garrett. Ahead, I'm sorry, just having a little 224 00:14:09.559 --> 00:14:09.879 bit of fun. 225 00:14:11.320 --> 00:14:15.320 I'm very concerned about the influx of all the of 226 00:14:15.639 --> 00:14:21.200 Massachusetts being you know, hobboring, hobboring, you know, illegals. You know, 227 00:14:21.559 --> 00:14:23.720 I come from a family that had you know, my 228 00:14:23.799 --> 00:14:26.279 mother had six brothers, six sisters, and it was you know, 229 00:14:26.399 --> 00:14:28.279 the wait in line and do it the right way, 230 00:14:28.360 --> 00:14:31.240 and everybody had to come over the right way. And 231 00:14:31.279 --> 00:14:34.960 it's hobboring. Just st up hearing Revere just up here 232 00:14:35.000 --> 00:14:37.799 and Revere in a shelter. They had an illegal immigrant 233 00:14:37.960 --> 00:14:42.240 undocumented with a kay's and uh, you know, drugs and 234 00:14:42.279 --> 00:14:44.840 fetanohl and also at the paraphernalia right up and here 235 00:14:44.840 --> 00:14:48.120 in Revere, in my own backyard. And I'm concerned that 236 00:14:48.600 --> 00:14:53.600 the governor of this state doesn't understand the situation, and 237 00:14:54.039 --> 00:14:56.240 it's going to be a bubble effect. It's going to 238 00:14:56.399 --> 00:14:59.679 you know, the residents of Massachusetts are paying for all 239 00:14:59.720 --> 00:15:02.559 the all the all the all the all the illegal 240 00:15:02.600 --> 00:15:04.639 immigrants that that I here. I mean, you go to 241 00:15:04.679 --> 00:15:06.960 the Reggie Lewis Center, you know, and and a place 242 00:15:07.159 --> 00:15:09.879 you know in Boston, you know that's supposed to be 243 00:15:09.919 --> 00:15:12.759 for the inner city youth kids, and it's you know, 244 00:15:13.039 --> 00:15:16.480 it's a shelter for for illegal immigrants. And it's sad 245 00:15:16.600 --> 00:15:17.399 because I don't know. 246 00:15:17.360 --> 00:15:20.080 That the Reggie Lewis Center, Uh, to be honest with 247 00:15:20.120 --> 00:15:20.919 the Jim. 248 00:15:20.919 --> 00:15:23.000 If it was, there was a community center which was 249 00:15:23.039 --> 00:15:26.120 closed for many months and used as a shelter that 250 00:15:26.159 --> 00:15:31.120 has now been been reopened. Uh and uh, I just 251 00:15:31.240 --> 00:15:32.759 you know, again, I just want to be accurate. I 252 00:15:32.759 --> 00:15:35.559 do not believe the Reggie Lewis Center was ever impacted 253 00:15:35.559 --> 00:15:37.879 by this. But but I understand the points you're making. 254 00:15:38.440 --> 00:15:42.120 Well, even still like our hotels, you know, some of 255 00:15:42.120 --> 00:15:45.440 the hotels right up there on Leena Cass Boulevard, it's 256 00:15:45.440 --> 00:15:48.480 a drug haven area as it is. And uh, you know, 257 00:15:49.559 --> 00:15:53.240 for me personally, you know, since since Romney's we had 258 00:15:53.279 --> 00:15:56.679 we had Democrats running this state. And I believe that 259 00:15:57.200 --> 00:15:59.360 you know, it's falling a part at the scenes. It 260 00:15:59.440 --> 00:16:03.440 really is, you know, we we have to we have 261 00:16:03.480 --> 00:16:06.200 to get back to to to the basics. I mean, 262 00:16:06.240 --> 00:16:09.799 I believe, you know, everybody has the right for you know, life, 263 00:16:09.840 --> 00:16:12.360 libery to pursue the happiness. But there's there's a way 264 00:16:12.360 --> 00:16:15.120 of doing things. And you know they they do these 265 00:16:15.159 --> 00:16:17.679 Harbern States as a as a place to go to. 266 00:16:18.399 --> 00:16:22.480 I want you to, you know, just talk to Todd 267 00:16:22.559 --> 00:16:24.519 Lyons for a second. He's he's been doing this for 268 00:16:24.600 --> 00:16:28.480 his career. Uh, and he. 269 00:16:27.919 --> 00:16:30.919 Is naming common Hey, how are you doing? 270 00:16:32.639 --> 00:16:35.759 Yeah, I'm very your plate. 271 00:16:36.679 --> 00:16:40.519 I myself born and raised in South Boston, Massachusetts resident. 272 00:16:40.559 --> 00:16:43.279 My family's hair like you, We've all had family to 273 00:16:43.320 --> 00:16:45.559 come the right way, come over here for a better life. 274 00:16:46.080 --> 00:16:50.000 And that's what we're you know, we we don't want 275 00:16:50.039 --> 00:16:52.759 to stand by these people, these criminal aliens that take 276 00:16:52.799 --> 00:16:55.120 advantage of our system, that hide in plain sight, that 277 00:16:55.200 --> 00:16:58.159 are foreign fugitives that are fleeing justice from their own country. 278 00:16:58.600 --> 00:17:01.960 They come in here and terrorized not only our communities, 279 00:17:02.360 --> 00:17:05.799 but the immigrant community as well. That some of these 280 00:17:06.079 --> 00:17:09.480 migrants that are fleeing persecution or trying to have a 281 00:17:09.480 --> 00:17:14.000 better life, fleeing these crimes that these want of gang members. 282 00:17:14.240 --> 00:17:18.039 So so how do we so how do we how 283 00:17:18.039 --> 00:17:24.119 do we stop stop the hobboring of like Okay, I 284 00:17:24.200 --> 00:17:26.440 understand you know Trump was going to say, Okay, you know, 285 00:17:26.559 --> 00:17:28.880 you want to have a uh, you know, illegals, and 286 00:17:28.920 --> 00:17:31.279 you're not going to get any federal assistance. You know. 287 00:17:31.440 --> 00:17:33.359 But like at the end of the day, that's punt 288 00:17:33.440 --> 00:17:37.079 us in you know, Massachusetts residents. Now we all you know, 289 00:17:37.480 --> 00:17:41.960 you know, the majority of the residents living in Massachusetts, 290 00:17:43.240 --> 00:17:45.640 you know, they don't want to have a you know, uh, 291 00:17:45.880 --> 00:17:47.519 you know, they don't want to have a fugitives and 292 00:17:47.519 --> 00:17:51.200 they don't want to have illegals. We wanted the Queen City. 293 00:17:51.240 --> 00:17:55.200 Jim, in fairness to todd lyons, we elect politicians in 294 00:17:55.279 --> 00:18:00.440 this state who then make decisions about policies, and uh 295 00:18:00.240 --> 00:18:02.960 uh maybe people have to start looking at some of 296 00:18:02.960 --> 00:18:03.680 these elections. 297 00:18:03.759 --> 00:18:06.279 Oh yeah, I think the I think the thing is, let. 298 00:18:06.599 --> 00:18:08.960 Me take your question, Let me take your question, Jim, 299 00:18:09.000 --> 00:18:10.359 and let me shop in it a little bit. 300 00:18:10.920 --> 00:18:13.519 Todd When all of a sudden. 301 00:18:14.240 --> 00:18:20.240 The administrations change and and you folks find out about 302 00:18:20.319 --> 00:18:24.839 some criminal alien here who has done something horrendous, not 303 00:18:24.920 --> 00:18:27.960 some criminal alien who was arrested for jaywalking, but for 304 00:18:28.039 --> 00:18:31.880 some criminal alien who has done something horrendous. Do you 305 00:18:31.920 --> 00:18:35.960 think that the administration here will will look at it 306 00:18:36.000 --> 00:18:39.599 a little differently after January twentieth, I'm talking about the 307 00:18:39.640 --> 00:18:41.200 administration in Massachusetts. 308 00:18:42.839 --> 00:18:46.519 Yeah, Dan, I do. I honestly think that, you know, 309 00:18:46.720 --> 00:18:51.119 having the opportunity to explain exactly what we're doing and 310 00:18:52.279 --> 00:18:56.119 you know what exactly we are looking for. I think 311 00:18:56.200 --> 00:18:58.440 pulling back that curtain is going to do a lot. 312 00:18:58.799 --> 00:19:01.640 One of the first things that we are really striving 313 00:19:01.680 --> 00:19:03.680 for and that I want, what I've been pushing at 314 00:19:03.720 --> 00:19:07.279 my level, is to really move forward with these open 315 00:19:07.319 --> 00:19:09.960 lines of communication, because that's one of the hugest problems 316 00:19:10.039 --> 00:19:12.359 kind of like I mentioned when we were first talking 317 00:19:12.359 --> 00:19:16.000 at the beginning of this, that report that the Massachusetts 318 00:19:16.039 --> 00:19:19.279 GOP had to get through a Freedom of Information Act. 319 00:19:19.960 --> 00:19:22.640 That's the same to for we would see, you know, 320 00:19:23.039 --> 00:19:29.119 they should, you know, jurisdictions, elected officials, entities should give 321 00:19:29.200 --> 00:19:32.079 us those reports and work with us so we could 322 00:19:32.160 --> 00:19:33.680 be that bet at partner. So I think the first 323 00:19:33.720 --> 00:19:35.759 step has got to be opening up those lines of 324 00:19:35.759 --> 00:19:39.920 communication and really having those hard conversations about what we 325 00:19:39.960 --> 00:19:42.160 can do to help each other, all. 326 00:19:42.079 --> 00:19:44.279 Right, Jim, I think you got to give them a 327 00:19:44.400 --> 00:19:47.920 chance here and see what happens. I think I'm hoping 328 00:19:49.079 --> 00:19:54.680 that there is an appreciation of the intent and the purpose. 329 00:19:54.880 --> 00:19:57.359 The intent on the purpose of ICE is not to 330 00:19:57.440 --> 00:20:01.720 separate families. It's not to pull little kids out of 331 00:20:01.799 --> 00:20:04.880 the arms of their parents. Their intent is to get 332 00:20:05.000 --> 00:20:07.799 rid of the hardcore curve criminals who are here, people 333 00:20:07.880 --> 00:20:10.200 like who are members of MS thirteen who are living 334 00:20:10.240 --> 00:20:14.200 in your community. Jim, That's who ICE is going to 335 00:20:14.240 --> 00:20:18.640 go after. And I and I think Todd has got 336 00:20:18.680 --> 00:20:20.519 a big job in front of him, and ICE has 337 00:20:20.519 --> 00:20:22.319 a big job in front of him. But they're not 338 00:20:22.400 --> 00:20:25.160 looking to go in and and and separate families. They're 339 00:20:25.200 --> 00:20:28.799 looking to go in and separate hardcore criminals from our society. 340 00:20:29.200 --> 00:20:35.119 Yes or no, Todd, Jim, I'll give you a fine 341 00:20:35.119 --> 00:20:36.920 a word, go ahead, Jim. 342 00:20:37.079 --> 00:20:38.680 Well, I want to say, how do they how are 343 00:20:38.680 --> 00:20:42.000 they venting the people that are here now, I mean, 344 00:20:42.400 --> 00:20:46.279 just recently, an undocumented you know, in a in a shelter, 345 00:20:46.599 --> 00:20:52.240 mind you, for that reason of being homeless, undocumented. I mean, 346 00:20:52.279 --> 00:20:55.119 how how are we you know, vetting vetting these people 347 00:20:55.519 --> 00:20:57.279 that that's up. 348 00:21:00.079 --> 00:21:04.559 That is not uh Todd's responsibility. That's what the state does. 349 00:21:05.000 --> 00:21:08.279 Uh No, I understand it. But you got you got, 350 00:21:08.279 --> 00:21:10.839 you got, you know, Governor Healy. 351 00:21:10.920 --> 00:21:13.720 And you know, here's the thing, Jim, Jim, We've gone 352 00:21:13.759 --> 00:21:16.000 seven or eight minutes here. I'm well into my news break. 353 00:21:16.000 --> 00:21:18.319 I got to take my news break. Some of the 354 00:21:18.359 --> 00:21:20.920 other callers are going to back you up here. Todd 355 00:21:21.000 --> 00:21:24.200 Lyons is not your enemy. Todd Lyons is your friend 356 00:21:24.200 --> 00:21:27.519 on this one. So trust me on that, okay, and 357 00:21:27.880 --> 00:21:30.119 keep listening to night Side. Thank you, Tom, thank you 358 00:21:30.200 --> 00:21:30.519 very much. 359 00:21:30.519 --> 00:21:32.920 To thank you, Thank you very much, Ben, thank you. 360 00:21:33.119 --> 00:21:34.599 You're welcome. Thank Tod. Stay right there. 361 00:21:34.640 --> 00:21:36.920 I want to get some more phone calls six one, seven, two, five, 362 00:21:36.960 --> 00:21:40.119 four to ten thirty six one, seven, nine thirty. If 363 00:21:40.160 --> 00:21:43.880 you understand what we're talking about, I would employ you 364 00:21:44.319 --> 00:21:47.279 to join the conversation. We'll be back up Nightside with 365 00:21:47.279 --> 00:21:51.319 todd Lyons of ICE's been with them for a long time. 366 00:21:51.880 --> 00:21:54.880 Uh And I think a lot of the restrictions that 367 00:21:54.920 --> 00:21:59.079 have been placed on him here in Massachusetts will be 368 00:22:00.640 --> 00:22:04.000 come January twentieth and beyond. Back on Nightside right after. 369 00:22:03.799 --> 00:22:12.039 This side with Dan ray On WBZ, Boston's news radio. 370 00:22:13.160 --> 00:22:16.319 My guess is todd Lyons. Todd has been with ICE 371 00:22:16.400 --> 00:22:21.559 now for eighteen years, local guy, and he he now 372 00:22:22.200 --> 00:22:26.960 is the assistant the National Assistant Director of ICE for 373 00:22:27.480 --> 00:22:32.039 field operations, which means he is moving up the chain 374 00:22:32.079 --> 00:22:36.119 of command. And I think that you will be appreciative 375 00:22:36.200 --> 00:22:40.720 of how he conducts himself as he moves up the 376 00:22:40.759 --> 00:22:43.519 chain of command. Let's go next to Tom in West Virginia. Tom, 377 00:22:43.519 --> 00:22:47.960 you're next on nightside with todd Lyons. Go righthead, Tom. 378 00:22:48.279 --> 00:22:52.720 Yeah, No, I have no argument with what ICE does. 379 00:22:53.400 --> 00:22:55.960 The problem is is that it comes down from the 380 00:22:57.279 --> 00:23:02.559 the administration, and we have governors like our wonder like 381 00:23:02.759 --> 00:23:06.759 the I don't vote messed, but the wonderful governor Mara 382 00:23:06.920 --> 00:23:10.640 Heey that ask people like me, if you have a 383 00:23:10.680 --> 00:23:15.480 spare bedroom, perhaps you could put up a migrant one family, 384 00:23:16.640 --> 00:23:21.359 one family in Brookline on a migrant family. 385 00:23:23.160 --> 00:23:23.400 You know. 386 00:23:23.720 --> 00:23:26.599 So, I just don't want to hear it from people 387 00:23:26.680 --> 00:23:27.559 like Maura Heey. 388 00:23:28.279 --> 00:23:30.240 Well, I want to focus on where you think I 389 00:23:30.319 --> 00:23:33.640 should go in the next few weeks and a few months, 390 00:23:33.720 --> 00:23:37.240 because the leadership financial leadership is going to change. 391 00:23:39.039 --> 00:23:44.039 Yeah, obviously, get rid of these illegals that have committed 392 00:23:44.119 --> 00:23:48.480 crimes that disobey our laws. I mean, this is ridiculous. 393 00:23:48.880 --> 00:23:52.680 I would not even consider going to New York City 394 00:23:53.039 --> 00:23:56.680 and riding the subway train from what I see. No, 395 00:23:56.759 --> 00:24:00.759 not at all. And for this this attitude of that, 396 00:24:01.240 --> 00:24:06.599 well crime is down, actually, and immigrants create less crime 397 00:24:06.640 --> 00:24:10.400 than native born Americans. I don't know if that's true. 398 00:24:10.720 --> 00:24:14.319 That's an NPR narrative. And as far as I'm concerned, well, 399 00:24:14.359 --> 00:24:17.799 you know something, if we didn't have illegal immigrants that 400 00:24:17.880 --> 00:24:22.160 were here that were committing crimes, there would be lower crime. 401 00:24:22.319 --> 00:24:25.160