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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I am. I mean we're Generation X, so

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I'm trying. We're trying, right, Yeah, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>Right, But you're getting better.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm getting better. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, and you have any true crime to talk.

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<v Speaker 2>About, yeah, I do, so I'm going to tell you

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<v Speaker 2>about this story. This happened around five point thirty pm

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<v Speaker 2>on Wednesday, December sixth, nineteen eighty nine. I'm at day.

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<v Speaker 2>The cafe campus at the University of Montreal was busy

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<v Speaker 2>as usual. It'd been a favorite spot for students, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>going back forever how long because because it was really

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<v Speaker 2>cold that day. It gets cold up in Montreal, especially

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<v Speaker 2>in December. It was a nice place for students to gather.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was the end of the semester. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's early December.

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<v Speaker 1>And everybody's studying. Yeah, area to study.

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<v Speaker 2>And for some of them, like that day was their

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<v Speaker 2>last day of classes before the holiday break. And suddenly

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<v Speaker 2>the normal buzz of the cafe, Like they look outside

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<v Speaker 2>and they see just people running, like students running.

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<v Speaker 1>I just started, hundreds of them. I just start running. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>They these people bust into the cafe. Now it's like chaos,

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<v Speaker 2>and they discover that there's a gunman on campus, and

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<v Speaker 2>that evening the world would find out that all fourteen

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<v Speaker 2>victims were women.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, there were fourteen fourteen.

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<v Speaker 2>Fourteen victims were women.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know anything about.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, I didn't know about it until obviously I

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<v Speaker 2>was researching this one. But I didn't know that Montreal

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<v Speaker 2>had this happened in their lovely city. I've been to Montreal.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm it's not gorgeous anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>And Windsor.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't been to Windsor too in Toronto, but okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so I digress. Around four pm that day, so about

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<v Speaker 2>an hour and a half earlier, the shooter left his apartment.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm not going to say his name until the

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<v Speaker 2>end because he doesn't deserve it. He left wearing new

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<v Speaker 2>work boots, a pair of jeans, a gray wind breaker,

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<v Speaker 2>and a baseball cap. Inside his windbreaker he like on

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<v Speaker 2>his waist he carried a hunting knife. Knife, yeah, knife,

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<v Speaker 2>he had a gone in. The type of the type

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<v Speaker 2>it is, like the name of it really doesn't matter,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's the same type like swat teams use like

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<v Speaker 2>it's a rifle, like a high powered rifle.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, wouldn't that be a big gun? I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>anything about it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a big gun.

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<v Speaker 1>So where how's he carrying that around?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, he had that and one hundred rounds were in

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<v Speaker 2>a green garbage bag, which he carried to a car.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, he leaves his apartment, he carries it to

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<v Speaker 2>this car that he rented for the day. He drove

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<v Speaker 2>to the university. There was a school on the university.

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<v Speaker 2>It was called Eco Polytechnique in college. Yeah, like a college,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's where like engineering students, so like students enrolled

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<v Speaker 2>in like STEM type program. So he pays the parking atenant.

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<v Speaker 2>He goes to ecoal Polytechnique, He pays the parking attendant

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<v Speaker 2>and parks his car in a no parking zone and

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<v Speaker 2>the car ended up being found like the next day.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, it's getting towards the end of the day,

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<v Speaker 2>so I'm thinking nobody's really monitoring like the no parking zone.

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<v Speaker 1>But the fact like obviously he didn't mind if he

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<v Speaker 1>got caught because he's parking in a parking lot. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>no parking zone.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, it doesn't make sense. So he's sitting, he

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<v Speaker 2>gets out of his car and he ends up sitting

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<v Speaker 2>in a highly visible spot outside the registrar's office. He

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<v Speaker 2>sat there for some time. There were reports that people

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<v Speaker 2>had seen him sitting there for upwards of thirty minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>With his garbage bag.

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<v Speaker 2>No, yeah, with the garbage bag, and he wasn't talking

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<v Speaker 2>to anybody. He was just sort of scowling and he

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<v Speaker 2>didn't make eye contact with anyone. A staff member at

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<v Speaker 2>the registrar's office went over to him and said, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>do you need anything. He didn't, and without replying to her,

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<v Speaker 2>he stood up. So he must have been sitting he

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<v Speaker 2>stood up being walked off, so that was kind of strange.

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<v Speaker 1>The answer is no.

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<v Speaker 2>The answer is no, and he leaves about five pm.

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<v Speaker 2>The shooter begins climbing the steps to the second floor

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<v Speaker 2>building and building that he goes in and this is

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<v Speaker 2>where classes take place.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so it's not the cafe.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not the cafe, and he walks through the steel

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<v Speaker 2>fire doors in room two thirty. Final presentations were being

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<v Speaker 2>made for mechanical engineering students. They were taking place right

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<v Speaker 2>at that time. He gets to the classroom door, he

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<v Speaker 2>pulls his rifle out of the garbage bag and he

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<v Speaker 2>lets the bag fall to the floor before he just

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<v Speaker 2>walks confidently into this classroom with the gun, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>about five to ten pm. There were two fourth year

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<v Speaker 2>students giving a presentation on heat transfer at the front

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<v Speaker 2>of the class. The shooter calmly walks up to the

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<v Speaker 2>front of the class and he smiles at them. What

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<v Speaker 2>No one like flinches, bats and I.

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<v Speaker 1>Are Robert, who knows what the fuck is going on?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah right, They're just like, what the hell's going on?

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>They didn't seem to react to the gun that he had.

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<v Speaker 2>He was holding you, I know, what do you do? Like?

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<v Speaker 2>Is this a joke? Right? Like? He's holding it in

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<v Speaker 2>around yeah right, and says candy camera or something, right like,

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<v Speaker 2>or one of those joke programs. So the lack of

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<v Speaker 2>reaction that he gets irritates him, and he yells everybody

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<v Speaker 2>stop everything. He then ordered that men, the men in

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<v Speaker 2>the classroom stand on one side of the room and

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<v Speaker 2>the women stand on the other side of the room.

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<v Speaker 2>And even when he says this, nobody.

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<v Speaker 1>Moves because they're just they're just shocked.

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<v Speaker 2>They think, like, like we said, is this a prank?

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<v Speaker 2>And somebody chuckles and this pissed him off. Chuckled. Somebody

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<v Speaker 2>chuckled because I mean, I'm sure it was nervous it's me.

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<v Speaker 2>It's me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, everybody gets mad at you for laughing.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, so I'm sure like he would be super

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<v Speaker 2>pissed at me. It's a nervous laugh. So in response,

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<v Speaker 2>he shoots twice into the ceiling, yelling, and now the

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<v Speaker 2>students and the professor like they start to comply, So

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<v Speaker 2>he orders the men to leave the room, and the

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<v Speaker 2>women start. You know, he ordered the women to stay

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<v Speaker 2>in the classroom. He like allows the men to leave,

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<v Speaker 2>and he starts yelling, I want women. You're all a

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of feminists and I hate feminists.

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<v Speaker 1>Doesn't he know if the men leave, they're gonna call

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<v Speaker 1>the police.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, that's what I'm That's what I thought too, Right,

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<v Speaker 2>that that would be I first thought. But sixty male

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<v Speaker 2>students and two male professors leave the room.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's a that's a big.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a huge, Like, yeah, it's a huge classroom. And

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<v Speaker 2>left behind are nine female students standing in the corner

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<v Speaker 2>of this.

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<v Speaker 1>Classroom like, thanks, guys, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for bailing on us.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm not trying to be inut I know they

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have the choice.

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<v Speaker 2>No, they didn't. The shooter ordered the women to the

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<v Speaker 2>back of the classroom, far from the front door and

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<v Speaker 2>without any ability to escape now, and he asks them, quote,

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<v Speaker 2>are you wondering why you're here? End quote. One of

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<v Speaker 2>the students, her name was Annie Saint Arnault, fired back

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<v Speaker 2>at him, who are you? And he replied saying he

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<v Speaker 2>was a man against feminists and other women like them,

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<v Speaker 2>women who he said had been taking employment opportunities from men.

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<v Speaker 2>And another student pipes up, her name was Natalie Provost.

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<v Speaker 2>She said, well, they're just women, you know, We're just

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<v Speaker 2>women studying engineering and not necessarily feminists. And they weren't

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<v Speaker 2>there to fight men, you know, and butt their jobs,

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<v Speaker 2>to steal their jobs, like, we just want to study

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<v Speaker 2>some engineering. And the shooter pushes back, saying, you're all women,

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to be engineers. You're all a bunch of feminists.

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<v Speaker 2>I hate feminists. He's all fired up about feminism. So

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<v Speaker 2>Nadley looked into his eyes and she just saw that

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<v Speaker 2>they were just dark, and he.

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<v Speaker 1>Was no, there's no there's no getting through. Yeah, there's

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<v Speaker 1>that's empty.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. He was focused on what he was going to

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<v Speaker 2>do and he wasn't going to listen to anyone. And

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<v Speaker 2>now this is when the shooting begins. Thirty bullets rained

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<v Speaker 2>upon these night women.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, weather lined up while.

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<v Speaker 2>They're lined up. Francis Cretien and I'm going to struggle

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<v Speaker 2>through these French names. So Francis Katine. She was a survivor,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is what she had to say. She said,

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<v Speaker 2>quote the rest is sort of in slow motion in

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<v Speaker 2>my head. I threw myself on the ground and I

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<v Speaker 2>turned around. At times I could hear everything, at other

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<v Speaker 2>times it was just noise. End quote. Yeah, she was

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<v Speaker 2>other women fell on top of her and they were dead.

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<v Speaker 2>And at that moment, you know, they all start to

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<v Speaker 2>realize he's not shooting blanks, Like this isn't a joke.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was horrible.

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<v Speaker 2>I know the shooter spotted. The shooter spotted another woman

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<v Speaker 2>who did survive. Her name was jose Martin, and Josie

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<v Speaker 2>said he quote he had a smile on his face.

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<v Speaker 2>He seemed very proud of himself. It's as if he

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<v Speaker 2>was in a dream and everything was going according to plan.

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<v Speaker 2>End quote. Of the nine women in this classroom, three

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<v Speaker 2>had been seriously injured but survived. There are six classmates

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<v Speaker 2>which were the other six classmates which were Helene Colgan

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<v Speaker 2>Netlie Crow two, Crow two Barbara Daignault, Anne Marie le

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<v Speaker 2>maay Sonya Peltier, and Annie Saint Arnault. They were the

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<v Speaker 2>first six victims of this shooter.

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<v Speaker 1>They were just slaughtered, like, yeah, they were lined up

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<v Speaker 1>to be slaughtered. That makes me really sad.

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<v Speaker 2>So he shoots everyone, and I'm guessing he's assuming everyone

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<v Speaker 2>is dead, and he leaves the classroom. But before he leaves,

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<v Speaker 2>it's bizarre.

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<v Speaker 1>I always wonder when you hear about like mass shootings.

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<v Speaker 1>They will shoot lots of people, and yet there's survivors,

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<v Speaker 1>and you hear him being shot multiple times stuff, and

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<v Speaker 1>you think, how, like how did so many survive?

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's yeah, part of you know, I always

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<v Speaker 1>Know, And I mean he only killed two thirds, one

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<v Speaker 1>third survived.

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<v Speaker 2>One third survived. Yeah, absolutely, I know.

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<v Speaker 1>And he had all the power and all the control.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, he could have killed everyone, like you said,

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<v Speaker 2>he could have just all sixty people, sixty seventy people

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>Some of the men who'd been let go in the classroom.

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<v Speaker 2>They ran to get help, but there were still several

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<v Speaker 2>they were warning people like don't go inside. Those men

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<v Speaker 2>that they they're the ones that heard the gun being shot.

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<v Speaker 2>They heard the women screaming, and when the shooter left

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<v Speaker 2>the classroom, he pointed. The shooter pointed his rifle at

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<v Speaker 2>those men that were still in the corridor and they

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<v Speaker 2>backed up against the wall, which allowed the gunmen to

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<v Speaker 2>just continue walking down the hallway like he did not

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<v Speaker 2>attend in no, he wasn't reaching the photo copiers which

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<v Speaker 2>were in room two twenty nine. Again, into the room

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<v Speaker 2>and there was a man that was injured and a

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<v Speaker 2>woman they survived. And approaching these two, he ran into

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<v Speaker 2>another woman and shot her and injured her. She made

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<v Speaker 2>it out alive. He goes to another classroom. Next, he

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<v Speaker 2>goes to classroom number two twenty eight, and this class

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<v Speaker 2>was in session, so he scopes the students out and

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<v Speaker 2>he finds a woman like, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Haven't been I'm sorry, they have no no, no, the

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<v Speaker 1>police no, no, police take forever to show up.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'll talk about that later, but I'm imagining he's

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<v Speaker 2>poking in like a window on the door because he

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't go into this classroom, but he sees a woman student,

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<v Speaker 2>a female student sitting in the very back. He takes

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<v Speaker 2>aim with his gun and he attempts to fire, pulling

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<v Speaker 2>the trigger twice, but it doesn't shoot. So he realizes

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<v Speaker 2>he's out of bullets. He had a few, Yeah, thank god.

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<v Speaker 2>He has a few steps away to the emergency stairway.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a student that by him, and hears him saying,

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<v Speaker 2>like shit, I'm out of bullets. But the student didn't

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<v Speaker 2>pay the shooter any The student didn't pay the shooter

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<v Speaker 2>any mind, and he's not on their right rifle right there.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, you're walking in the hallway, I know there's a

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<v Speaker 1>guy down there. You're on your phone.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean we're looking at you. No, we're looking at

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<v Speaker 2>this though from our twenty twenty four view points. So

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<v Speaker 2>I miss in nineteen eighty nine, but.

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<v Speaker 1>I could see if he was on a cell phone

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<v Speaker 1>right before.

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<v Speaker 2>That was yeah, this is before that. So the student

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<v Speaker 2>continues on his way. He was trying to get to

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<v Speaker 2>the photo copy room. Then you know, it starts to

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<v Speaker 2>dawn on him, like wait a minute, what the He

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<v Speaker 2>turns around and he sees the shooter raise the rifle

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<v Speaker 2>like toward him. The gun went off and the student

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<v Speaker 2>was barely missed, very narrowly by the bullet. And he

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<v Speaker 2>starts running toward the escalators now that are leading to

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<v Speaker 2>the cafeteria.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's a guy.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a guy. He didn't get shot. Classroom to twenty

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<v Speaker 2>eight that I told you he was peeking in that

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<v Speaker 2>was adjacent to a server room where computers were held.

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<v Speaker 2>At the time of the attack. As it's going on,

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<v Speaker 2>Gibe Brunal was working in the server room with a colleague.

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<v Speaker 2>He hears these strange sound, strange sounds, but the computers

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<v Speaker 2>surrounding them were really loud, so the noises were really

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<v Speaker 2>kind of difficult to distinguish, like not necessarily sounding like

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<v Speaker 2>rifle fire. So at some point then a student rushes

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<v Speaker 2>in and yells that there's a shooter in the school.

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<v Speaker 2>A professor who followed close behind the students, and the

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<v Speaker 2>gunman had opened the door to the classroom and tried

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<v Speaker 2>to shoot, but the gun didn't work. So I'm thinking

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<v Speaker 2>this is that classroom two twenty eight. Brunald told the

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<v Speaker 2>students to come inside and come into the computer room,

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<v Speaker 2>the server room and one of them had the presence

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<v Speaker 2>of mind to lock the door that was leading to

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<v Speaker 2>the hallway. When the shooter returned and noticed that the

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<v Speaker 2>door was now locked, he began shooting at it. Bruna

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<v Speaker 2>was afraid of what would happen if he made it in,

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<v Speaker 2>and he said, quote, that's when it occurred to me

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<v Speaker 2>to make everyone crawl under the false floor. False floor. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>like their floor. Like the computer had massive cords. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's this massive server room and the chords ran under

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<v Speaker 2>the floor.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you like the floor's got to be solid enough. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and people to carry that way, right.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, there's a way to get down there.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was, but it was only eighteen inches deep probably.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, when you have problems, people can go underneath it. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>my eighteen inches high, so I would have I have.

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<v Speaker 2>I know. So I'm not sure exactly how many people

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<v Speaker 2>were crammed into this space, but he also says, in

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<v Speaker 2>such circumstances, you managed to squeeze in right.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, my heart is raising right now.

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<v Speaker 2>And the door held, the locked door held, and Ronal

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<v Speaker 2>and his colleague, Oh, there were eight students from that

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<v Speaker 2>classroom who squeezed in there and a lecturer, and they're

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<v Speaker 2>laying there and they're listening and they hear shots being

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<v Speaker 2>fired outside. When the shooter walks away from Room two

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<v Speaker 2>twenty eight, he continues down the hallway and that's where

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<v Speaker 2>he'd shot into the copier room. Then he bumps into

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<v Speaker 2>a woman coming down the escalator and she was on

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<v Speaker 2>her way to the server room. He shot her, but

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<v Speaker 2>she managed to get up and run to the emergency

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<v Speaker 2>stairway and she found a place to hide on the

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<v Speaker 2>fifth floor. Instead of following her, he made his way

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<v Speaker 2>to a counter where he spotted a woman hiding underneath.

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<v Speaker 2>He shot toward her twice and he missed both times.

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<v Speaker 1>What wow, good, Yeah, he missed her. Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Now it's been less than fifteen minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so this is all very yeah, very quick. But

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<v Speaker 1>the police should be there by now.

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<v Speaker 2>They should be there by now. And so since it's began,

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<v Speaker 2>it's been fifteen minutes. News was spreading throughout the building.

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<v Speaker 2>By the time the gunman reached the Office of Financial Services,

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<v Speaker 2>they had just been informed of the attack, and a

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<v Speaker 2>woman named Maurice Legangnier had thank you, had just put

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<v Speaker 2>on her jacket and her boots to leave for the day.

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<v Speaker 2>The shooter spotted her and they both hurried toward the door.

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<v Speaker 2>Maurice was fighting to lock it and the gunman was

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<v Speaker 2>fighting to be able to take a shot to her.

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<v Speaker 2>She succeeded, but there was a small window next to

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<v Speaker 2>the door. The shooter shoots through the window and Maurice

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<v Speaker 2>is wounded and she would eventually pass away on the

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<v Speaker 2>floor of her office. And she unfortunately was pregnant with

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<v Speaker 2>her first child. Stop so after he kills Maurice Maurice,

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<v Speaker 2>the shooter returned to the escalator and goes down to

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<v Speaker 2>the cafeteria, which is on the first floor. There's about

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred people in the cafeteria. The noise, there's noise,

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<v Speaker 2>it's noisy. Everybody's confused, and the manager of the cafeteria

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<v Speaker 2>begins evacuating people out out the service door, but the

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<v Speaker 2>shooter found his way in and aimed at a woman

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<v Speaker 2>near the kitchen. He took a shot and he killed

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<v Speaker 2>Barbara Maria Kluznik Vidovich Vidovich, And as people begin to

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<v Speaker 2>panic and run, the gunman took a few more shots

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<v Speaker 2>injuring one other person. Then he slowly made his way

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<v Speaker 2>to the other end of the cafeteria where he spotted

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<v Speaker 2>Genevieve Bergan and Anne Marie Edward at the polyparty room,

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<v Speaker 2>which was a storage closet in the back where a

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<v Speaker 2>v equipment was stored in other items. He shot and

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<v Speaker 2>killed both of these women before exiting the cafeteria.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so pissed right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Genevieve and Anne Marie would be the last victims to

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<v Speaker 2>be found when the police finally did like a final

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<v Speaker 2>sweep of the building.

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<v Speaker 1>And they were probably what were they hiding there? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>I would think, m m, they were right, Yeah, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>that would be a safe place.

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<v Speaker 2>You would think. The government then takes the escalator, which

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<v Speaker 2>now is no longer moving. It gets turned off. At

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<v Speaker 2>some point, he goes up to the third floor. There

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<v Speaker 2>were several people on the third floor still and he

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<v Speaker 2>quickly begins shooting, injuring two men and a woman. Around

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<v Speaker 2>five twenty five, the shooter arrives in classroom three eleven.

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<v Speaker 1>Professor, they're not active in that classroom, temmy, that yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>doing a lecture.

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<v Speaker 2>They are doing their final presentations as well. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't this building.

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<v Speaker 1>Was wouldn't have happened now. Cell phones people.

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<v Speaker 2>Texting, oh yeah, yeah, people would have been warned, so

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<v Speaker 2>Professor Jean Paul Bellion. It was a class of mechanical

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<v Speaker 2>and thermal characterization of materials. This is why I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>an engineer, because I have no idea what I just read.

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<v Speaker 2>They're in the middle of their final presentations as I say,

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<v Speaker 2>and three students are at the front of the classroom

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<v Speaker 2>in the middle of presenting their project. One was Maurice Leclair.

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<v Speaker 2>She was on stage when the shooter barged in, ordering

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<v Speaker 2>the men to leave the room, just as he had

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<v Speaker 2>done in that first classroom, and he immediately shot her

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<v Speaker 2>and then turns his guns on the students that are

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<v Speaker 2>in the first row. Someone yelled get down, leading a

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<v Speaker 2>handful of students to fall to the floor while others

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<v Speaker 2>attempted to escape out the back door. Maud Hevernick was

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<v Speaker 2>among those trying to escape. The shooter saw her, took

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<v Speaker 2>aim and shot several fatal bullets into her. Taking advantage

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<v Speaker 2>of the gunman's focus on the back of the room,

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<v Speaker 2>several students made a rush to the door in the

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<v Speaker 2>front of the classroom. One was Michelle Richard. She was

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<v Speaker 2>following her boyfriend at the door when she was spotted

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<v Speaker 2>by the shooter killed with a single bullet to the back.

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<v Speaker 2>Then the shooter spotted several students and professor Professor belliong

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<v Speaker 2>lying between rows of tables that filled the room, trying

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<v Speaker 2>to hide from the shooter, and he bent down to

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<v Speaker 2>see who was on the floor. He found four women

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<v Speaker 2>on the floor and he shot one after the other.

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<v Speaker 2>Annie Turcotte died and the three other women were injured.

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<v Speaker 2>There was another woman under the tables who had short hair,

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<v Speaker 2>and she was ignored, so.

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<v Speaker 1>He maybe thought she was a man.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, maybe thought she was a man. Didn't recognize her

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<v Speaker 2>as a girl. The gunman exchanged the magazine and his rifle,

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<v Speaker 2>so he reloads. He climbs on top of one of

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<v Speaker 2>the tables that's in the back of the room, and

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<v Speaker 2>he starts walking from table to table, continuing to shoot

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<v Speaker 2>until he made his way to the front where Maurice

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<v Speaker 2>Leclair was laying. She was severely injured and she was

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<v Speaker 2>moaning and begging for help. The gunman then pulls out

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<v Speaker 2>the hunting knife.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, oh no, no, no, no.

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<v Speaker 2>On his waist. Serious, serious, and he stabbed her three times.

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<v Speaker 2>Then he put his knife, two backs of bullets, and

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<v Speaker 2>his baseball cap on the professor's desk and sitting on

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<v Speaker 2>the stage. He took off his jacket, wrapped it around

424
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<v Speaker 2>the barrel of the gun, exclaimed, oh shit, and shot

425
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<v Speaker 2>himself in the head and he dies on a It's

426
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<v Speaker 2>now five twenty eight, so he just he kills himself. Yep,

427
00:23:34.079 --> 00:23:38.480
<v Speaker 2>kills himself right there, Professor beell young. He stands up slowly.

428
00:23:39.240 --> 00:23:41.359
<v Speaker 2>He tells the students that are still in the room

429
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<v Speaker 2>to leave through the door in the back, like he's

430
00:23:43.920 --> 00:23:47.359
<v Speaker 2>trying to, you know, tell him, yeah, calm everybody down,

431
00:23:47.400 --> 00:23:50.519
<v Speaker 2>you know, like okay. He doesn't look at the stage.

432
00:23:50.559 --> 00:23:53.480
<v Speaker 2>He doesn't want to see, but he stays and he

433
00:23:53.519 --> 00:23:56.720
<v Speaker 2>walks around the room. He finds his four of his

434
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<v Speaker 2>female students dead and another severely injured.

435
00:24:00.960 --> 00:24:01.119
<v Speaker 1>Well.

436
00:24:01.160 --> 00:24:05.319
<v Speaker 2>Trying to reassure the injured student, he walked back and

437
00:24:05.359 --> 00:24:08.039
<v Speaker 2>forth between her and the hallway, keeping an eye out

438
00:24:08.079 --> 00:24:11.920
<v Speaker 2>for help. But no one's where's police, Where's not even

439
00:24:11.960 --> 00:24:14.599
<v Speaker 2>like an ambulance, nothing, But no one now knows that

440
00:24:14.640 --> 00:24:18.960
<v Speaker 2>the shooter's dead, so you know, they okay, but again

441
00:24:19.039 --> 00:24:21.319
<v Speaker 2>there's nobody And it's been like a half an hour

442
00:24:21.400 --> 00:24:24.119
<v Speaker 2>twenty minutes maybe since the shooting began.

443
00:24:24.319 --> 00:24:27.759
<v Speaker 1>That happened, and yeah, less than thirty minutes.

444
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. The three injured women that were in room two

445
00:24:31.240 --> 00:24:36.440
<v Speaker 2>thirty where the shooting began was Josie Martin, Francis Critian,

446
00:24:36.599 --> 00:24:39.440
<v Speaker 2>and Nadley Provost. They hadn't moved at that point. They

447
00:24:39.440 --> 00:24:42.240
<v Speaker 2>were still injured, they were still alive. Several people had

448
00:24:42.279 --> 00:24:45.160
<v Speaker 2>thought there had to be more than one shooter. Like

449
00:24:45.359 --> 00:24:47.960
<v Speaker 2>eventually people starts, he's all over the place. Yeah, he's

450
00:24:47.960 --> 00:24:49.920
<v Speaker 2>all over the place. He's on the third floor, he's

451
00:24:49.960 --> 00:24:52.720
<v Speaker 2>on the fifth floor, he's down on the tie. Yeah.

452
00:24:53.559 --> 00:24:55.839
<v Speaker 2>None of the three women that were injured, and that

453
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<v Speaker 2>none of these three women realize that they that not

454
00:25:01.920 --> 00:25:04.200
<v Speaker 2>only I mean, they realize they're injured, but they don't

455
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<v Speaker 2>feel safe enough to move yet.

456
00:25:06.079 --> 00:25:09.920
<v Speaker 1>Oh hell, I would play dead. All yeah, I don't

457
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<v Speaker 1>care how long till the police came.

458
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<v Speaker 2>Right right, I am dead And Natley attempted to get

459
00:25:15.400 --> 00:25:19.119
<v Speaker 2>up to get help, and she realized she'd been shot

460
00:25:19.200 --> 00:25:22.839
<v Speaker 2>several times in her legs, so she just couldn't couldn't move.

461
00:25:23.599 --> 00:25:26.119
<v Speaker 2>Just a few minutes later, the door opened and several

462
00:25:26.160 --> 00:25:30.079
<v Speaker 2>students looking for an emergency exit came running in. Then

463
00:25:30.240 --> 00:25:33.519
<v Speaker 2>two more entered, men looking for women they had to

464
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<v Speaker 2>leave behind when they were told to get out of

465
00:25:35.359 --> 00:25:39.119
<v Speaker 2>the classroom. Seeing the injuries to their classmates, they ran

466
00:25:39.160 --> 00:25:42.079
<v Speaker 2>to get help, and at that point, no one has

467
00:25:42.079 --> 00:25:45.680
<v Speaker 2>seen a police officer or a paramedic enter the building,

468
00:25:46.480 --> 00:25:48.960
<v Speaker 2>while at the same time, those attempting to call for

469
00:25:49.039 --> 00:25:51.880
<v Speaker 2>emergency services weren't able to get through because of the

470
00:25:52.000 --> 00:25:55.880
<v Speaker 2>number of calls that were being made. One of the

471
00:25:55.880 --> 00:25:59.319
<v Speaker 2>people attempting to call. His name was Louis Corville. He

472
00:25:59.400 --> 00:26:03.519
<v Speaker 2>was the director of the Equal Polytechnique, and he said, quote,

473
00:26:03.640 --> 00:26:06.599
<v Speaker 2>through the window, I could see hundreds of students in

474
00:26:06.680 --> 00:26:09.160
<v Speaker 2>their shirts pour out the doors because they didn't put

475
00:26:09.160 --> 00:26:11.400
<v Speaker 2>their jackets on. It's winter, he said, pour out the

476
00:26:11.440 --> 00:26:14.279
<v Speaker 2>doors and jump over the snowbanks end quote. He had

477
00:26:14.279 --> 00:26:18.400
<v Speaker 2>heard gunshots from his office, not knowing until later that

478
00:26:18.440 --> 00:26:21.559
<v Speaker 2>those are the shots that killed Maurice Legging. Yeah.

479
00:26:22.359 --> 00:26:26.160
<v Speaker 1>I was thinking, if you have a university the police camp,

480
00:26:26.279 --> 00:26:29.839
<v Speaker 1>there's got to be a police department relatively closed. I

481
00:26:29.839 --> 00:26:33.880
<v Speaker 1>mean a Michigan State, Yeah it was. I mean you're

482
00:26:33.920 --> 00:26:37.119
<v Speaker 1>on campus police, yeah, and there's campus police. I mean,

483
00:26:37.200 --> 00:26:39.319
<v Speaker 1>I'm not blaming the police, I'm just saying.

484
00:26:39.400 --> 00:26:43.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah that there I would think that twenty minutes is

485
00:26:43.319 --> 00:26:46.640
<v Speaker 2>an awfully long time to respond to some sort of emergency,

486
00:26:47.279 --> 00:26:49.880
<v Speaker 2>and I will get into it. So the Corner Report

487
00:26:49.960 --> 00:26:54.240
<v Speaker 2>came out in May of nineteen ninety and included details

488
00:26:54.319 --> 00:26:57.799
<v Speaker 2>of the events, explaining why help took so long to

489
00:26:57.839 --> 00:27:01.039
<v Speaker 2>reach the school that day. The first call came in.

490
00:27:01.160 --> 00:27:03.599
<v Speaker 2>It was five to twelve pm in the evening, and

491
00:27:03.640 --> 00:27:08.240
<v Speaker 2>the operator attempted to forward the call to police dispatch,

492
00:27:08.559 --> 00:27:13.400
<v Speaker 2>but encountered technical difficulties what making him unable to transfer

493
00:27:13.480 --> 00:27:17.960
<v Speaker 2>the call? What this was due to new procedures having

494
00:27:18.039 --> 00:27:22.240
<v Speaker 2>been implemented in a transition from paper notes used to

495
00:27:22.240 --> 00:27:26.319
<v Speaker 2>communicate messages between the operators in dispatch to using a

496
00:27:26.359 --> 00:27:27.319
<v Speaker 2>computer system.

497
00:27:27.440 --> 00:27:29.920
<v Speaker 1>Well then just do a paper note, I know.

498
00:27:30.039 --> 00:27:33.440
<v Speaker 2>And the new system wasn't quite working. Yeah the fuck.

499
00:27:33.240 --> 00:27:36.799
<v Speaker 1>We're talking about like a nine to one one system here.

500
00:27:37.160 --> 00:27:41.000
<v Speaker 2>And even more frustrating is that the emergency services like

501
00:27:41.039 --> 00:27:43.319
<v Speaker 2>where the calls come in, were in the room right

502
00:27:43.359 --> 00:27:48.119
<v Speaker 2>next door to police dispatch in the same building. They

503
00:27:48.119 --> 00:27:52.079
<v Speaker 2>could have just easily, like you said, written a note.

504
00:27:52.119 --> 00:27:54.119
<v Speaker 1>Don't even need to do a paper note.

505
00:27:53.920 --> 00:27:58.920
<v Speaker 2>No, like, hey, there's something shit. The second call received

506
00:27:58.960 --> 00:28:01.759
<v Speaker 2>was from a security guard i campus who called after

507
00:28:01.799 --> 00:28:05.240
<v Speaker 2>being alerted by a professor that quote, an armed individual

508
00:28:05.359 --> 00:28:10.079
<v Speaker 2>is harassing students in room two thirty. This call was

509
00:28:10.119 --> 00:28:13.480
<v Speaker 2>sent to the hospital who dispatched ambulances, but they didn't

510
00:28:13.519 --> 00:28:17.480
<v Speaker 2>seem to know the address to the Equal Polytechnique that's

511
00:28:17.519 --> 00:28:20.079
<v Speaker 2>on the University of Montreal campus.

512
00:28:21.400 --> 00:28:24.480
<v Speaker 1>And why would you send an ambulance for harassment. I

513
00:28:24.480 --> 00:28:28.559
<v Speaker 1>don't know, I know, like, I'm sure there's some lessons learned.

514
00:28:28.680 --> 00:28:32.480
<v Speaker 2>Yes, there's some big lessons learned. The new computer system

515
00:28:32.519 --> 00:28:36.880
<v Speaker 2>didn't have the specific address in the database, so they

516
00:28:36.880 --> 00:28:40.319
<v Speaker 2>were asking everyone who was calling in about the attack

517
00:28:40.400 --> 00:28:44.359
<v Speaker 2>for the address, which slowed down the arrival of the ambulances.

518
00:28:45.319 --> 00:28:49.079
<v Speaker 2>About five sixteen, the police are finally dispatched to the school.

519
00:28:49.599 --> 00:28:50.559
<v Speaker 2>So four minutes.

520
00:28:50.720 --> 00:28:51.440
<v Speaker 1>That's not that bad.

521
00:28:51.519 --> 00:28:52.200
<v Speaker 2>That's not too bad.

522
00:28:52.319 --> 00:28:53.759
<v Speaker 1>That's not bad. I'm not going to blame them.

523
00:28:53.759 --> 00:28:57.000
<v Speaker 2>That's not bad. However, the incident reported was given a

524
00:28:57.039 --> 00:29:01.920
<v Speaker 2>code associated with hostage situations, not a shooter. It was

525
00:29:01.960 --> 00:29:04.559
<v Speaker 2>said that quote, a suspect with an armed rifle is

526
00:29:04.559 --> 00:29:07.480
<v Speaker 2>holding twenty women as hostages in a classroom on the

527
00:29:07.519 --> 00:29:10.480
<v Speaker 2>second floor and has fired in the air end quote.

528
00:29:11.559 --> 00:29:14.160
<v Speaker 1>I mean coo, okay, I don't I mean, I didn't know.

529
00:29:15.200 --> 00:29:20.160
<v Speaker 1>There's a difference hostage shooter, I guess, or somebody people

530
00:29:20.240 --> 00:29:23.880
<v Speaker 1>hostage and firing a gun in the air. I guess.

531
00:29:23.920 --> 00:29:26.279
<v Speaker 2>Though in a hostage situation, I think police are hoping

532
00:29:26.359 --> 00:29:28.759
<v Speaker 2>that they haven't shot anybody yet and maybe they can

533
00:29:28.839 --> 00:29:31.039
<v Speaker 2>get everybody out alive, as opposed to if you've shot

534
00:29:31.079 --> 00:29:33.200
<v Speaker 2>somebody already, and I don't, I don't know.

535
00:29:33.240 --> 00:29:33.880
<v Speaker 1>I feel like it is.

536
00:29:33.880 --> 00:29:34.240
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

537
00:29:34.279 --> 00:29:37.079
<v Speaker 1>I'm not a trained professional. I'm not going to judge.

538
00:29:37.319 --> 00:29:38.240
<v Speaker 1>I'm done doudging.

539
00:29:38.480 --> 00:29:41.480
<v Speaker 2>Additionally, yeah, I know. Additionally, this is the dispatcher gave

540
00:29:41.480 --> 00:29:44.960
<v Speaker 2>the police the address of twenty five hundred Edward Mont

541
00:29:45.039 --> 00:29:48.599
<v Speaker 2>Petit Boulevard, without specifying the incident was taking place at

542
00:29:48.599 --> 00:29:52.960
<v Speaker 2>the Equal Polytechnique. Two police cruisers hurry to get over

543
00:29:53.039 --> 00:29:56.359
<v Speaker 2>to help, and they end up at the student dorms

544
00:29:56.400 --> 00:29:59.960
<v Speaker 2>that were at twenty five hundred Edward Mont Petit Boulevard,

545
00:30:00.720 --> 00:30:04.519
<v Speaker 2>and now it's five nineteen. It takes another two minutes

546
00:30:04.559 --> 00:30:07.519
<v Speaker 2>for them to get to the correct place. Once the

547
00:30:07.519 --> 00:30:12.440
<v Speaker 2>first ambulance arrived, injured students approached seeking help. While they

548
00:30:12.480 --> 00:30:15.039
<v Speaker 2>were coming out to receive aid, no one was going

549
00:30:15.079 --> 00:30:19.000
<v Speaker 2>in though no police the police were beginning to arrive

550
00:30:19.039 --> 00:30:22.759
<v Speaker 2>in greater numbers and establishing a perimeter for the hostage

551
00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:26.720
<v Speaker 2>situation that they were dispatched to theirs injured people up

552
00:30:26.880 --> 00:30:31.359
<v Speaker 2>right right the perimeter would be hundreds of meters away

553
00:30:31.440 --> 00:30:34.920
<v Speaker 2>from the building per protocol, and no one was allowed

554
00:30:34.960 --> 00:30:39.480
<v Speaker 2>in the building. With a lack of communication and coordination

555
00:30:39.720 --> 00:30:43.000
<v Speaker 2>between the police officers and the fact that emergency services

556
00:30:43.000 --> 00:30:45.640
<v Speaker 2>didn't know what was going on regarding the size and

557
00:30:45.680 --> 00:30:49.240
<v Speaker 2>the scope of this massacre, they had difficulty knowing how

558
00:30:49.240 --> 00:30:53.440
<v Speaker 2>many ambulances to sound or how many personnel were needed. Finally,

559
00:30:53.480 --> 00:30:56.480
<v Speaker 2>at five point twenty five PM, a student's calls transferred

560
00:30:56.480 --> 00:31:00.759
<v Speaker 2>directly to the police, giving information on gunshots and injuries.

561
00:31:01.400 --> 00:31:04.039
<v Speaker 2>At five point twenty six, another student described in detail

562
00:31:04.079 --> 00:31:07.119
<v Speaker 2>the look of the shooter. A minute later after that,

563
00:31:07.240 --> 00:31:10.279
<v Speaker 2>another student is granted permission to pull the fire alarm,

564
00:31:10.400 --> 00:31:12.119
<v Speaker 2>leading to eight fire trucks arriving.

565
00:31:13.160 --> 00:31:15.680
<v Speaker 1>I didn't even think about that right.

566
00:31:16.039 --> 00:31:19.960
<v Speaker 2>Pulling the fire alarm. Eventually, with all the calls coming

567
00:31:20.000 --> 00:31:23.960
<v Speaker 2>in reporting gunshots, some police suggest going into the building,

568
00:31:24.640 --> 00:31:28.480
<v Speaker 2>but those in charge decided to wait until additional officers

569
00:31:28.519 --> 00:31:33.000
<v Speaker 2>showed up. The coroner's report concluded quote. In that moment,

570
00:31:33.240 --> 00:31:37.559
<v Speaker 2>no intervention strategy is underway, nor is their strategy about

571
00:31:38.279 --> 00:31:40.640
<v Speaker 2>to be nor is their strategy about to be implemented

572
00:31:40.759 --> 00:31:45.039
<v Speaker 2>or even formulated. End quote. This protocol prevented all first

573
00:31:45.079 --> 00:31:49.960
<v Speaker 2>responders from providing aid to the injured inside the school. However,

574
00:31:50.000 --> 00:31:52.799
<v Speaker 2>there was a young man inside the school. He was

575
00:31:52.839 --> 00:31:55.680
<v Speaker 2>a student there, but he also happened to work as

576
00:31:55.680 --> 00:31:59.640
<v Speaker 2>a paramedic, so he needed classes that day. And that

577
00:31:59.720 --> 00:32:02.599
<v Speaker 2>young man went from person to person trying to care

578
00:32:02.680 --> 00:32:07.200
<v Speaker 2>for everyone that he came across, and he stayed.

579
00:32:07.240 --> 00:32:09.279
<v Speaker 1>To help bless them.

580
00:32:09.559 --> 00:32:12.279
<v Speaker 2>At five thirty six pm, the police received the information

581
00:32:12.359 --> 00:32:15.519
<v Speaker 2>that the shooter has committed suicide and they were authorized

582
00:32:15.519 --> 00:32:20.640
<v Speaker 2>to go in the building. Professor Bellion sought them out

583
00:32:20.680 --> 00:32:22.680
<v Speaker 2>and he led them to room three eleven, where the

584
00:32:22.720 --> 00:32:26.400
<v Speaker 2>shooter was laying dead. Finally, at five point forty five,

585
00:32:26.480 --> 00:32:30.599
<v Speaker 2>the medical emergency team walked in through the doors, and

586
00:32:30.720 --> 00:32:33.039
<v Speaker 2>even though they'd been outside for about twenty one minutes,

587
00:32:33.359 --> 00:32:37.359
<v Speaker 2>at that point, when the police and security staff finally

588
00:32:37.400 --> 00:32:40.200
<v Speaker 2>walked through the building, it gave the students inside the

589
00:32:40.240 --> 00:32:42.000
<v Speaker 2>knowledge that it was safe to come out, because a

590
00:32:42.039 --> 00:32:43.240
<v Speaker 2>lot of them still don't.

591
00:32:43.000 --> 00:32:45.680
<v Speaker 1>Know right Oh, this is just chaos.

592
00:32:45.759 --> 00:32:48.480
<v Speaker 2>I know, it's complete chaos.

593
00:32:48.680 --> 00:32:48.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

594
00:32:49.480 --> 00:32:51.279
<v Speaker 2>The group that had hid in the false floor, the

595
00:32:51.680 --> 00:32:54.079
<v Speaker 2>server room, they'd been in that floor for about forty

596
00:32:54.079 --> 00:32:58.920
<v Speaker 2>minutes now, and the employee brunal. He stated. Quote at

597
00:32:58.920 --> 00:33:02.480
<v Speaker 2>one point the shots stopped. Then through the PA system,

598
00:33:02.559 --> 00:33:06.279
<v Speaker 2>someone told us to evacuate the school. Slowly walking, not running.

599
00:33:07.039 --> 00:33:08.880
<v Speaker 2>We came out of the hole. It was crazy.

600
00:33:08.960 --> 00:33:10.480
<v Speaker 1>How do you know if that person's legit?

601
00:33:10.640 --> 00:33:13.279
<v Speaker 2>I know, right, Oh my god, you're right. I didn't

602
00:33:13.279 --> 00:33:15.559
<v Speaker 2>even think of that. Oh, he said. There was so

603
00:33:15.640 --> 00:33:17.839
<v Speaker 2>much blood on the second floor that it was hard

604
00:33:17.920 --> 00:33:20.839
<v Speaker 2>to make our way out, and we saw so many

605
00:33:20.960 --> 00:33:24.839
<v Speaker 2>injured end quote. It wasn't until six two pm that

606
00:33:24.920 --> 00:33:29.279
<v Speaker 2>the first severely injured person was evacuated, and it would

607
00:33:29.279 --> 00:33:32.799
<v Speaker 2>take nearly forty minutes before every victim had been transported

608
00:33:32.880 --> 00:33:39.480
<v Speaker 2>to the hospital. Maurice Legging Yeer, she was the one

609
00:33:39.519 --> 00:33:41.720
<v Speaker 2>that had been shot in her office. Remember she was pregnant.

610
00:33:42.480 --> 00:33:47.160
<v Speaker 2>She was initially found alive with the door locked. It

611
00:33:47.240 --> 00:33:52.720
<v Speaker 2>had to be forced open. Police officer Carol Billdeaux said, quote,

612
00:33:52.799 --> 00:33:57.119
<v Speaker 2>Maurice was lying on the ground unconscious. She was severely injured.

613
00:33:57.440 --> 00:34:00.519
<v Speaker 2>I talked to her, but she didn't react. I took pulse.

614
00:34:00.720 --> 00:34:03.680
<v Speaker 2>I waited for help. It was crazy. We couldn't send

615
00:34:03.720 --> 00:34:07.640
<v Speaker 2>messages out there are there were so many messages coming in.

616
00:34:08.119 --> 00:34:11.199
<v Speaker 2>I held her arm and stayed with her until she passed.

617
00:34:11.400 --> 00:34:16.159
<v Speaker 2>It didn't take very long. Quote. At least she wasn't alone.

618
00:34:17.320 --> 00:34:21.000
<v Speaker 1>The gunman, This tell me who is now?

619
00:34:21.280 --> 00:34:24.239
<v Speaker 2>Yes, his name is Mark Lapine. He was found of

620
00:34:24.280 --> 00:34:28.199
<v Speaker 2>a suicide note in his pocket. And Mark Lapine that's

621
00:34:28.199 --> 00:34:31.119
<v Speaker 2>his name. He had changed his name. I'm not even

622
00:34:31.119 --> 00:34:33.159
<v Speaker 2>gonna really go into his background because really doesn't matter.

623
00:34:34.199 --> 00:34:36.000
<v Speaker 2>But it was his name that he changed it to

624
00:34:36.119 --> 00:34:39.440
<v Speaker 2>when he became older. So he wrote it in French,

625
00:34:39.480 --> 00:34:43.119
<v Speaker 2>so translated to English. I'm sure that there's going to

626
00:34:43.159 --> 00:34:48.679
<v Speaker 2>be some bastardization of the original French translation. Yeah, so

627
00:34:48.760 --> 00:34:53.400
<v Speaker 2>forgive me if there's any mistakes. This is what he wrote. Quote.

628
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<v Speaker 2>Would you believe that my suicide today December sixth, nineteen

629
00:34:56.760 --> 00:34:59.960
<v Speaker 2>eighty nine is not because the money problems. I waited

630
00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:03.400
<v Speaker 2>until I exhausted my financial means, even refusing jobs, but

631
00:35:03.440 --> 00:35:07.000
<v Speaker 2>for political reasons, because I have decided to send the

632
00:35:07.079 --> 00:35:09.840
<v Speaker 2>feminists who have always ruined my life to their maker.

633
00:35:11.320 --> 00:35:14.000
<v Speaker 2>For seven years, life has brought me no joy and

634
00:35:14.119 --> 00:35:16.960
<v Speaker 2>being totally carefree, I have decided to put an end

635
00:35:17.000 --> 00:35:20.559
<v Speaker 2>to those bad tempered women, even if the mad killer

636
00:35:20.599 --> 00:35:23.800
<v Speaker 2>epitaph will be attributed to me by the media. I

637
00:35:23.880 --> 00:35:29.840
<v Speaker 2>consider myself a rational intellectual, only that only the arrival

638
00:35:29.880 --> 00:35:33.199
<v Speaker 2>of the grim Reaper has forced to take extreme acts.

639
00:35:33.679 --> 00:35:36.760
<v Speaker 2>For why continue living if it's only to please the government?

640
00:35:38.000 --> 00:35:41.679
<v Speaker 2>Being rather backward looking by nature except for science, the

641
00:35:41.719 --> 00:35:44.800
<v Speaker 2>feminists have always enraged me. They want to keep the

642
00:35:44.840 --> 00:35:51.480
<v Speaker 2>advantages of women, like cheaper insurance, extended maternity leave, preventative leave,

643
00:35:51.679 --> 00:35:57.400
<v Speaker 2>while seizing for themselves those of men the advantages. Thus,

644
00:35:57.440 --> 00:36:01.000
<v Speaker 2>it's an obvious truth that if the Olympic Games removed

645
00:36:01.159 --> 00:36:05.199
<v Speaker 2>men women distinctions, there would be women only in graceful events.

646
00:36:06.360 --> 00:36:09.159
<v Speaker 2>It's being very sexist here, Oh my god. So the

647
00:36:09.159 --> 00:36:12.599
<v Speaker 2>feminists are not fighting to remove that barrier. They are

648
00:36:12.719 --> 00:36:16.079
<v Speaker 2>so opportunistic they do not neglect to profit from the

649
00:36:16.159 --> 00:36:19.880
<v Speaker 2>knowledge accumulated by men through the ages. They always try

650
00:36:19.880 --> 00:36:23.280
<v Speaker 2>to misrepresent them every time they can. Thus, the other

651
00:36:23.400 --> 00:36:26.440
<v Speaker 2>day I heard they were honoring the Canadian men and

652
00:36:26.480 --> 00:36:29.119
<v Speaker 2>women who fought at the front lines during the World Wars.

653
00:36:29.440 --> 00:36:32.440
<v Speaker 2>How can you explain that since women were not authorized

654
00:36:32.480 --> 00:36:34.960
<v Speaker 2>to go to the front line. Will we hear of

655
00:36:35.000 --> 00:36:38.599
<v Speaker 2>Caesar's female legions and female galley slaves, who, of course

656
00:36:38.599 --> 00:36:41.840
<v Speaker 2>took up fifty percent of the ranks of history though

657
00:36:41.880 --> 00:36:46.360
<v Speaker 2>they never existed. End quote. The suicide number or the

658
00:36:46.400 --> 00:36:49.440
<v Speaker 2>suicide note includes a list of ninety names and phone

659
00:36:49.480 --> 00:36:53.079
<v Speaker 2>numbers of women he'd identified as feminists, stating the list

660
00:36:53.320 --> 00:36:56.920
<v Speaker 2>was of women who quote nearly died today. The lack

661
00:36:56.960 --> 00:36:59.480
<v Speaker 2>of time because I started too late, has allowed these

662
00:36:59.559 --> 00:37:04.000
<v Speaker 2>radical feminists to survive. End quote. The final line of

663
00:37:04.039 --> 00:37:07.239
<v Speaker 2>the note, I'm not even going to pronounce it in French,

664
00:37:07.440 --> 00:37:10.719
<v Speaker 2>but it means either the die has been cast or

665
00:37:10.760 --> 00:37:13.599
<v Speaker 2>there's no turning back, which is a similar meaning.

666
00:37:15.639 --> 00:37:16.760
<v Speaker 1>You fucking hate him.

667
00:37:16.880 --> 00:37:18.079
<v Speaker 2>I know, what a nut job.

668
00:37:18.880 --> 00:37:23.599
<v Speaker 1>So don't know if he had some paranoid personality disorder

669
00:37:24.079 --> 00:37:28.280
<v Speaker 1>or was developing some sort of paranoid what I mean,

670
00:37:28.360 --> 00:37:30.519
<v Speaker 1>what I knows? Who did?

671
00:37:30.559 --> 00:37:30.679
<v Speaker 2>What?

672
00:37:30.800 --> 00:37:33.679
<v Speaker 1>I know? Like happened what you said that years ago?

673
00:37:33.920 --> 00:37:34.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

674
00:37:34.360 --> 00:37:35.599
<v Speaker 1>Several What was it?

675
00:37:35.880 --> 00:37:39.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Like yeah, you're right, like they what happened? He's

676
00:37:40.440 --> 00:37:42.119
<v Speaker 2>been feeling this for several years.

677
00:37:42.239 --> 00:37:44.599
<v Speaker 1>I don't even need to take time off for maternity

678
00:37:44.679 --> 00:37:47.159
<v Speaker 1>lead because they you ever had a baby.

679
00:37:47.360 --> 00:37:49.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean he hasn't. I mean I would gladly

680
00:37:49.760 --> 00:37:57.039
<v Speaker 2>have traded you. You'd be pregnant and I know right,

681
00:37:57.159 --> 00:38:01.400
<v Speaker 2>no things. Yeah. It was until nine pm that the

682
00:38:01.440 --> 00:38:04.079
<v Speaker 2>news began to report that all the victims of this

683
00:38:04.199 --> 00:38:07.599
<v Speaker 2>massacre were women. In the French language, which is the

684
00:38:07.639 --> 00:38:13.480
<v Speaker 2>official language of the side, yes, words you know. In

685
00:38:13.559 --> 00:38:18.079
<v Speaker 2>French words have masculine and feminine meaning, so like some

686
00:38:18.119 --> 00:38:21.599
<v Speaker 2>words are feminine and some words are masculine. Yeah, like Spanish.

687
00:38:21.719 --> 00:38:24.480
<v Speaker 2>And the bias of the culture there like in the

688
00:38:24.480 --> 00:38:27.320
<v Speaker 2>news reports was made clear when the Minister of Education

689
00:38:28.639 --> 00:38:32.800
<v Speaker 2>offered his deepest condolences to the families of the etudients,

690
00:38:33.360 --> 00:38:37.400
<v Speaker 2>which is the masculine form of the words students. Other

691
00:38:37.480 --> 00:38:41.440
<v Speaker 2>leaders went on to offer condolences using words like victims, youth,

692
00:38:41.679 --> 00:38:44.440
<v Speaker 2>and loved ones. No one spoke of the fact they

693
00:38:44.480 --> 00:38:47.800
<v Speaker 2>were all women. None acknowledged the statements of the gunmen,

694
00:38:48.360 --> 00:38:52.800
<v Speaker 2>nor the words in the suicide note. Many journalists assigned

695
00:38:52.840 --> 00:38:55.679
<v Speaker 2>to work on this case were men. The fact that

696
00:38:55.760 --> 00:39:00.480
<v Speaker 2>reporter Shelley Page noticed it would make clear the degree

697
00:39:00.559 --> 00:39:04.559
<v Speaker 2>her bosses didn't trust her coverage and the anxiety about

698
00:39:04.599 --> 00:39:07.320
<v Speaker 2>sending a young a young woman to cover the carnage

699
00:39:07.320 --> 00:39:11.599
<v Speaker 2>surrounding a massacre of young women was palatable. Instead, it

700
00:39:11.639 --> 00:39:14.559
<v Speaker 2>was addressed as a concern about the young reporter's ability

701
00:39:14.599 --> 00:39:18.599
<v Speaker 2>to be a objective. In the days after the shooting,

702
00:39:19.000 --> 00:39:22.519
<v Speaker 2>Natalie Provost she had she was she had been shot,

703
00:39:23.159 --> 00:39:27.199
<v Speaker 2>and she'd been hospitalized with her injuries, and she heard

704
00:39:27.199 --> 00:39:32.000
<v Speaker 2>men on the radio supporting the shooter's actions. After hearing this, yeah,

705
00:39:32.039 --> 00:39:36.039
<v Speaker 2>after hearing this, I'm sure she was off, fucking fired out. Yeah,

706
00:39:36.159 --> 00:39:38.760
<v Speaker 2>she decides to meet with journalists in her hospital room.

707
00:39:38.920 --> 00:39:39.639
<v Speaker 1>She pissed.

708
00:39:39.719 --> 00:39:43.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she's pissed, feeling it's necessary. As a survivor of

709
00:39:43.920 --> 00:39:47.960
<v Speaker 2>the shooting, also a member of the Polytechnique student Association

710
00:39:48.840 --> 00:39:51.440
<v Speaker 2>and having a seat on the board of the school,

711
00:39:52.039 --> 00:39:54.599
<v Speaker 2>she felt like she needed to be heard. So during

712
00:39:54.599 --> 00:39:57.760
<v Speaker 2>the short press conference from her hospital bed, she simply said,

713
00:39:57.840 --> 00:40:00.639
<v Speaker 2>quote to all the young women in Quebec who are

714
00:40:00.679 --> 00:40:03.679
<v Speaker 2>thinking about studying engineering, I mean asking you to consider

715
00:40:03.760 --> 00:40:07.360
<v Speaker 2>this career with as much enthusiasm as you did before Wednesday.

716
00:40:07.679 --> 00:40:10.960
<v Speaker 2>End quote. Yeah. She also said, in response to those

717
00:40:11.000 --> 00:40:14.760
<v Speaker 2>looking for anyone to blame other than the gunman, she said, quote,

718
00:40:14.760 --> 00:40:17.199
<v Speaker 2>there's only one culprit and he's dead end.

719
00:40:17.280 --> 00:40:19.320
<v Speaker 1>Quote, what about his parents?

720
00:40:19.760 --> 00:40:22.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm not even gonna get into it. Okay, it

721
00:40:22.119 --> 00:40:27.320
<v Speaker 2>doesn't matter. So female columnists came out in the following

722
00:40:27.360 --> 00:40:33.000
<v Speaker 2>days with scathing analysis of the events. There was just

723
00:40:33.039 --> 00:40:37.280
<v Speaker 2>a lot of stuff that went on that probably really

724
00:40:37.280 --> 00:40:39.519
<v Speaker 2>took the focus off of the victims. I feel like,

725
00:40:39.679 --> 00:40:42.280
<v Speaker 2>you know, they were are. I mean, it kind of

726
00:40:42.280 --> 00:40:45.480
<v Speaker 2>minimized initially, the whole culture kind of minimized that the

727
00:40:45.559 --> 00:40:46.480
<v Speaker 2>victims were all women.

728
00:40:47.159 --> 00:40:50.440
<v Speaker 1>So well, in the end, they are victims, yes, I

729
00:40:50.480 --> 00:40:53.400
<v Speaker 1>mean yes, but I get your point. The reason why

730
00:40:53.400 --> 00:40:55.840
<v Speaker 1>they were victims is because they were female, right, And.

731
00:40:56.119 --> 00:40:57.760
<v Speaker 2>I know he shot he shot a few mounds.

732
00:40:57.840 --> 00:40:58.079
<v Speaker 1>I do.

733
00:40:58.719 --> 00:41:03.679
<v Speaker 2>I do know that. I do recognize that. But you know,

734
00:41:03.800 --> 00:41:06.000
<v Speaker 2>it's important, and I think it's important to note that's

735
00:41:06.000 --> 00:41:07.039
<v Speaker 2>what his focus was.

736
00:41:07.159 --> 00:41:15.800
<v Speaker 1>I mean, he wanted people to know how anti feminist

737
00:41:15.880 --> 00:41:18.719
<v Speaker 1>he was. So I don't know, maybe he doesn't deserve

738
00:41:18.760 --> 00:41:20.239
<v Speaker 1>the word to be spread.

739
00:41:20.599 --> 00:41:24.000
<v Speaker 2>That's true. So the day after the shooting, the mayor

740
00:41:24.039 --> 00:41:26.800
<v Speaker 2>of Montreal, his name was Jean dor He held a

741
00:41:26.840 --> 00:41:31.559
<v Speaker 2>press conference. He directly called out the prejudice of the killer,

742
00:41:31.840 --> 00:41:36.199
<v Speaker 2>and he openly cried when speaking to reporters something that's

743
00:41:36.559 --> 00:41:39.960
<v Speaker 2>very rare with public figures, and even less so for

744
00:41:40.039 --> 00:41:46.360
<v Speaker 2>male public figures. He personally knew Genevieve Bergeron, whose mom

745
00:41:46.559 --> 00:41:50.400
<v Speaker 2>was a city council member, and he knew her very well.

746
00:41:51.599 --> 00:41:54.760
<v Speaker 2>Since the shooting happened, there was a study of security

747
00:41:54.760 --> 00:41:59.519
<v Speaker 2>at the school which identified gaps, obviously indicating that if

748
00:41:59.519 --> 00:42:02.519
<v Speaker 2>the gunman hadn't decided to stop when he did and

749
00:42:02.760 --> 00:42:07.480
<v Speaker 2>killed himself, he likely could have continued unimpeded for a while. Yeah,

750
00:42:07.559 --> 00:42:08.719
<v Speaker 2>until he ran out of bullets.

751
00:42:09.079 --> 00:42:09.199
<v Speaker 1>Right.

752
00:42:09.480 --> 00:42:13.079
<v Speaker 2>The security system around the campus was completely redone, and

753
00:42:13.119 --> 00:42:18.440
<v Speaker 2>the emergency phone system became It removed the need for

754
00:42:18.519 --> 00:42:23.000
<v Speaker 2>addresses to be exchanged at all. I think it's just automatic.

755
00:42:23.320 --> 00:42:27.719
<v Speaker 2>The approach proved successful because there were future campus shootings

756
00:42:27.920 --> 00:42:31.119
<v Speaker 2>copycat YEP in nineteen ninety two and two thousand and six,

757
00:42:32.440 --> 00:42:34.960
<v Speaker 2>and the speed of emergency response has taken priority.

758
00:42:35.159 --> 00:42:38.280
<v Speaker 1>And we are not police bashing.

759
00:42:38.559 --> 00:42:41.760
<v Speaker 2>No, you're all no, it's the system, and.

760
00:42:41.800 --> 00:42:43.320
<v Speaker 1>It's I think it's eighty nine.

761
00:42:43.400 --> 00:42:45.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's the culture. It's nineteen eighty nine. Like I

762
00:42:45.599 --> 00:42:49.559
<v Speaker 2>mentioned before, you know, you don't think if it's never happened,

763
00:42:49.920 --> 00:42:51.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, you don't think like, oh my god, it's

764
00:42:51.880 --> 00:42:53.800
<v Speaker 2>a school shooting or something like that. I mean, I

765
00:42:53.840 --> 00:42:56.000
<v Speaker 2>think we're all very aware of it now.

766
00:42:56.199 --> 00:42:59.000
<v Speaker 1>It was just a shit show. Yeah, yeah, I don't

767
00:42:59.039 --> 00:43:03.760
<v Speaker 1>think they knew how to respond. And you know, the

768
00:43:03.800 --> 00:43:08.119
<v Speaker 1>whole idea of not mentioning they're all female, I do

769
00:43:08.239 --> 00:43:11.079
<v Speaker 1>think is wrong. I want to point that out. It

770
00:43:11.239 --> 00:43:18.639
<v Speaker 1>is wrong, But you know, I think it would It

771
00:43:18.719 --> 00:43:21.199
<v Speaker 1>is important that they should probably they should have said.

772
00:43:21.320 --> 00:43:24.920
<v Speaker 1>That should have been the whole point, and to help

773
00:43:25.000 --> 00:43:31.480
<v Speaker 1>people like him learn like, yeah, yeah, because feminis Yes,

774
00:43:31.639 --> 00:43:36.119
<v Speaker 1>they're not whatever you think, they're not taking jobs, right,

775
00:43:36.320 --> 00:43:38.159
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's a lesson to be learned.

776
00:43:38.280 --> 00:43:40.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's lesson to be learned, because it's obviously a

777
00:43:40.280 --> 00:43:45.159
<v Speaker 2>deeper cultural right issue at that point that he was experiencing. Yeah,

778
00:43:45.480 --> 00:43:48.880
<v Speaker 2>and I mean, yeah, I know exactly what you're saying.

779
00:43:48.920 --> 00:43:52.960
<v Speaker 1>It's just hard to believe that high officials wouldn't even

780
00:43:53.000 --> 00:43:53.760
<v Speaker 1>acknowledge that.

781
00:43:54.639 --> 00:43:57.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's I wouldn't fly these days, No, it would

782
00:43:57.280 --> 00:44:00.360
<v Speaker 2>not know. People would be all fucking up in arms.

783
00:44:00.760 --> 00:44:03.559
<v Speaker 2>Gun control became a top priority in the years following

784
00:44:03.559 --> 00:44:07.760
<v Speaker 2>this Montreal massacre. The shooter when he got his guns,

785
00:44:07.840 --> 00:44:11.559
<v Speaker 2>he had gone to the Montreal headquarters of Quebec Provincial

786
00:44:11.599 --> 00:44:15.639
<v Speaker 2>Police to get an application form for aires arm firearms

787
00:44:16.320 --> 00:44:19.880
<v Speaker 2>Acquisition certificate. I'm sorry, maybe troubled talking. He went there

788
00:44:19.920 --> 00:44:22.320
<v Speaker 2>on August twenty ninth, nineteen eighty nine, so a few

789
00:44:22.360 --> 00:44:26.280
<v Speaker 2>months before the shooting. Six weeks later he was issued

790
00:44:26.320 --> 00:44:29.440
<v Speaker 2>his certificate. That's when he went shopping at a sporting

791
00:44:29.480 --> 00:44:32.880
<v Speaker 2>goods store. On November twenty first, he went to the

792
00:44:32.920 --> 00:44:35.880
<v Speaker 2>store one last time and purchased the rifle he would

793
00:44:35.960 --> 00:44:39.280
<v Speaker 2>use during the massacre. There were also many gun laws

794
00:44:39.360 --> 00:44:42.599
<v Speaker 2>passed by the legislature concerning background tracks.

795
00:44:42.639 --> 00:44:44.639
<v Speaker 1>Did they even allow guns in Canada?

796
00:44:44.719 --> 00:44:47.639
<v Speaker 2>Like, I don't. I don't know, do they. I don't

797
00:44:47.639 --> 00:44:49.760
<v Speaker 2>think they did. I don't think they. I don't know

798
00:44:49.760 --> 00:44:52.199
<v Speaker 2>how he got one used. I think because of this,

799
00:44:52.639 --> 00:44:55.239
<v Speaker 2>maybe some laws changed, That's what I'm thinking. There were

800
00:44:55.320 --> 00:44:58.639
<v Speaker 2>lots of laws that were changed or established, so I

801
00:44:58.679 --> 00:45:02.440
<v Speaker 2>think there was a big cracked down after this, so they,

802
00:45:02.599 --> 00:45:04.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, like I said, there were many laws passed

803
00:45:04.440 --> 00:45:08.840
<v Speaker 2>concerning background checks, mandatory safety training, requiring a permit to

804
00:45:08.880 --> 00:45:13.079
<v Speaker 2>purchase firearms, and ammune is AMMO and things like that,

805
00:45:13.119 --> 00:45:15.480
<v Speaker 2>So I think it's I don't think it's as widespread

806
00:45:15.559 --> 00:45:17.719
<v Speaker 2>as like you can walk into a store today here

807
00:45:17.880 --> 00:45:19.800
<v Speaker 2>and buy as many guns as you want.

808
00:45:20.960 --> 00:45:21.559
<v Speaker 1>Definitely not.

809
00:45:21.880 --> 00:45:27.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So of the students that were killed, twelve were

810
00:45:27.159 --> 00:45:30.280
<v Speaker 2>engineering students, one was a nursing student, and one was

811
00:45:30.320 --> 00:45:34.360
<v Speaker 2>an employee of the university. Fourteen other people were injured.

812
00:45:37.000 --> 00:45:39.800
<v Speaker 2>Just to let you all know, it was quite a

813
00:45:39.840 --> 00:45:46.440
<v Speaker 2>few victims. When referencing the loss of these women, it's

814
00:45:46.440 --> 00:45:50.039
<v Speaker 2>important to realize, like, just it's not the loss of

815
00:45:50.079 --> 00:45:52.440
<v Speaker 2>human life, it's also the loss of what they could

816
00:45:52.440 --> 00:45:56.079
<v Speaker 2>have become. You know, they were all very bright women.

817
00:45:56.440 --> 00:45:58.159
<v Speaker 2>They could have done great.

818
00:45:57.960 --> 00:46:03.960
<v Speaker 1>Things, completely innocent victims. Yeah, lives just got destroyed randomly,

819
00:46:04.480 --> 00:46:07.199
<v Speaker 1>right right, stay well in college, Yeah.

820
00:46:07.000 --> 00:46:10.079
<v Speaker 2>They could have been inventors or you know, discovered something.

821
00:46:10.199 --> 00:46:15.440
<v Speaker 2>So the one student, Natalie Provost, who dared to say

822
00:46:15.519 --> 00:46:20.480
<v Speaker 2>she wasn't a feminist, she really like did some self

823
00:46:20.480 --> 00:46:26.000
<v Speaker 2>reflection and she said in the newspaper in twenty fourteen

824
00:46:26.039 --> 00:46:29.639
<v Speaker 2>that quote. When I was a girl, feminism was militant women.

825
00:46:30.559 --> 00:46:34.760
<v Speaker 2>And I wasn't the first female student at Polytechnique. There

826
00:46:34.800 --> 00:46:37.519
<v Speaker 2>had been several before me. So when I told Mark

827
00:46:37.639 --> 00:46:40.719
<v Speaker 2>Lapine that I wasn't a feminist, I was telling those

828
00:46:40.760 --> 00:46:44.039
<v Speaker 2>women that there's so much more than how I say myself. Right,

829
00:46:44.039 --> 00:46:47.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, I had it easy. The door was already open,

830
00:46:48.199 --> 00:46:50.599
<v Speaker 2>so I couldn't take this beautiful title and claim it

831
00:46:50.679 --> 00:46:54.000
<v Speaker 2>for myself. So she really did a lot of reflection

832
00:46:54.119 --> 00:46:57.599
<v Speaker 2>on that the shooting had no impact on enrollment of

833
00:46:57.679 --> 00:47:03.159
<v Speaker 2>female students at the Polytechnique. They continue to register, succeed,

834
00:47:03.320 --> 00:47:08.199
<v Speaker 2>and achieve amazing things every day. So I think, like

835
00:47:08.239 --> 00:47:11.159
<v Speaker 2>I said, a lot of laws were passed, a lot

836
00:47:11.199 --> 00:47:15.159
<v Speaker 2>of new procedures were put in place, all to help

837
00:47:15.239 --> 00:47:19.519
<v Speaker 2>with future tragedies. And I think, unfortunately you I don't

838
00:47:19.639 --> 00:47:23.199
<v Speaker 2>know if this was the first school shooting there in Montreal,

839
00:47:23.239 --> 00:47:25.079
<v Speaker 2>but you have to have the first one in order

840
00:47:25.159 --> 00:47:28.599
<v Speaker 2>to realize, like where the gaps really are, and you know,

841
00:47:29.400 --> 00:47:33.679
<v Speaker 2>and you know, future future generations and future students were

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<v Speaker 2>saved by the sacrifice that these fourteen women made.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, when I was in law school, it

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<v Speaker 1>was the first year that fifty one percent of the

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<v Speaker 1>students were women.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, really nice taken over. You know, that's funny you

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<v Speaker 2>mentioned that because at my law school we went to

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<v Speaker 2>different law schools. At mine, they have like old composite

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<v Speaker 2>photos like U in the student building where like the yeah, right,

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<v Speaker 2>like the older ones from like you know, fifty sixty,

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<v Speaker 2>seventy years ago are all not Yeah, and you'd be like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>there's the one woman you know on the composite picture,

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<v Speaker 2>and then you start to see more and more and

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<v Speaker 2>more so all over the Yeah. Well, the population I

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<v Speaker 2>think of the United States is a majority of women.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's fifty one percent something like that. I

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<v Speaker 2>think we.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, we're digressing. Yeah but anyway, digressing.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, thank you everyone for listening. Yeah, yes, that was

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<v Speaker 2>a huge tragedy. If you could hit the like, subscribe, like,

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<v Speaker 1>Button, watch us on YouTube.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, watch us on YouTube.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll figure it out. Crimes and consequences.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, we have a Patreon, which means you not only

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<v Speaker 2>get this episode early release and ad free, but we

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<v Speaker 2>also released one extra audio episode or video. We could

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<v Speaker 2>do the video we have we have. Remember, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't I didn't publish it. I don't know the.

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<v Speaker 1>Week whatever it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, you didn't watch it, you're right, I didn't watch it.

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<v Speaker 2>You're right. It's on our patreon with me when we

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<v Speaker 2>did it. It's on our patreon anyway. You can go

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<v Speaker 2>to our website, Crimes and Consequences dot com. We have

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<v Speaker 2>merched there and we are on social media, but we

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<v Speaker 2>don't do a whole lot there. So one day we'll

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<v Speaker 2>get it all fired up again. We were there for

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<v Speaker 2>a while, but when we find an extra five hours

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<v Speaker 2>a day, then we'll be able to get it done

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<v Speaker 2>five or hire a staff member who we don't pay,

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<v Speaker 2>so anyway. Volunteer, yeah, volunteer anyway until our next episode. Everyone,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you, don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Kill each other.

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<v Speaker 2>Bye bye, don't know peop