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Speaker 3: Welcome back to another episode of Sledging Room. Sorrow. Allan,
Speaker 3: the dust has settled over the Indian England series. That's
Speaker 3: why we're here to discuss Cooley. Where is War two?
Speaker 3: Which of the two August fourteen releases will you know
Speaker 3: win the box office? Wark? Okay, what do you think, Allen?
Speaker 4: I'm going for both movies both.
Speaker 5: On day one Alan is off and he's using that off.
Speaker 4: Yeah, watch both movies and I think I'll write who
Speaker 4: won the war? Probably will see.
Speaker 3: That day you ask him to talk about barbar Schumann, Gill.
Speaker 3: Alan might not be this interested, but on day one it's.
Speaker 4: A no contest. No Barbara Shuman. Will Barber was given
Speaker 4: the titlepe.
Speaker 3: Probably probably his War two to me, no contest, but yeah, no,
Speaker 3: we are not here to discuss that. Probably an entertainment
Speaker 3: podcast will discuss that, but we are here to discuss
Speaker 3: Barber's you know failures, were walking on a TI trope. Yes,
Speaker 3: that article on Sunday morning, Sunday Morning read from our
Speaker 3: very own three talking about what Barber needs to do
Speaker 3: now that he's not in the T twenty I team
Speaker 3: and Test team. Maybe if he have so what can
Speaker 3: he do in this three match odio series against wester Indies.
Speaker 3: Pakistan are currently playing the Western and the day we
Speaker 3: write that, Bower goes for a three.
Speaker 4: Ball duck, I wonder if it is our jinx because
Speaker 4: he's it's been seventy one innings across all three formats,
Speaker 4: he's not scored one hundred. He was considered to be
Speaker 4: two great, the number one batter in two D is
Speaker 4: not even getting a game in that D two day side.
Speaker 5: So maybe he's reserving his best for the Asia Cup
Speaker 5: if he gets a chance in the Hia gets a chance,
Speaker 5: if goes ahead, Yeah, if a lot of things that
Speaker 5: we're here to talk about, the Asia Cup, scot selection
Speaker 5: that is doing a lot of buzz over the last
Speaker 5: few days, just because there's nothing happening in Indian cricket.
Speaker 5: Maybe a one month break which is like hashable said
Speaker 5: very well, deserved for the players and will deserved for
Speaker 5: the people who are watching and covering the game as well,
Speaker 5: because there was too much of cricket in the lead
Speaker 5: up to this break.
Speaker 3: But coming to this buzz, people are quite vocal and
Speaker 3: people have reported that Schupman Gill, India's newly appointed Test
Speaker 3: captain who led India to a drawn series in England,
Speaker 3: will be back in the T twenty I fold. The
Speaker 3: last time he played T twenty years was in July
Speaker 3: twenty twenty fourth and he was not part of the
Speaker 3: T twenty World Cup squad. So as in like, I'm
Speaker 3: not surprised looking at the recent developments, but are you guys?
Speaker 5: No? I mean when Gotham here became the head coach,
Speaker 5: he appointed Schumann Gil as a vice captain in white
Speaker 5: Wall Cricket, odier Is and T twenties, so he was
Speaker 5: always in the plans of the management for TAT and
Speaker 5: type format. Yes, over the past one year we have
Speaker 5: not seen him play T twenty ice. We have seen
Speaker 5: the likes of Abishek and Sanja Samsung open then you
Speaker 5: have feel like coming at number three in Suria. So
Speaker 5: that is where I think a lot of people are
Speaker 5: getting confused. But I believe that he was always in
Speaker 5: the plans of Juan management and he must have them.
Speaker 5: They must be having one particular role for this guy,
Speaker 5: because if he has been appointed the vice captain across
Speaker 5: both forts and captain in the Test, from it, it
Speaker 5: means he's our one of the most important players after
Speaker 5: the Koli and But is.
Speaker 3: It not unfair on someone like Abishaikh and Sanju Sampson, Like,
Speaker 3: if you're going to appoint him as the vice captain,
Speaker 3: you're going to play him in the leven, So you're
Speaker 3: going to disturb that opening combination that has been doing
Speaker 3: well for us for quite some time. We all thought
Speaker 3: that India probably might have moved on from Supermann and
Speaker 3: Es So what what where does that leaves Waal who
Speaker 3: was also done as consistently as Superann Gill over the
Speaker 3: last few years. So that's my question as like, would
Speaker 3: you would you break that opening combination?
Speaker 4: No, honestly saying I would not, But like you said,
Speaker 4: the suggestions, I think a lot of people have mistaken
Speaker 4: this because it was long before that Schumann Gil was
Speaker 4: made vice captain. This is not a new development though
Speaker 4: I think the.
Speaker 3: Has he made the white ball vice captain as he suggested,
Speaker 3: or was it just the white captain.
Speaker 4: Both white ball captain. I still remember. I think me
Speaker 4: and shuk were discussing it amongst ourselves that you know,
Speaker 4: why why is he made the vice captain when he's
Speaker 4: not sure in the T twenty A side. Yes, but
Speaker 4: now like then also I said the same thing that
Speaker 4: whatever happens, he's going to be someone who is going
Speaker 4: to be a regular in this team. He's part of
Speaker 4: the leadership group as well. So if you ask me,
Speaker 4: I would not disrupt that opening partnership because it has
Speaker 4: for Sancho Sampson. Also, he has done very well the
Speaker 4: amount of chances that he's got. He's played that aggressive
Speaker 4: style with the Indian Indian team. I wish he has
Speaker 4: done well. Both of them have got a uh you know,
Speaker 4: a partnership going. Now, if you're bringing in Schumann, it
Speaker 4: would either have to be at number three. Now, if
Speaker 4: that is going to be your move, then what happens
Speaker 4: to a Thilla Quarma? You are going to do one
Speaker 4: the twenty aside as well? Yeah, because then you cannot
Speaker 4: stop a Tila Kwarama from playing for India because he
Speaker 4: has been censoridy.
Speaker 3: We spoke about that in the past episodes of The
Speaker 3: Sledging Room, that if Suria comes in at number four,
Speaker 3: it's still a waste of his resources.
Speaker 4: Resources.
Speaker 3: Now, if you're playing Schumern at three Tillak at four,
Speaker 3: then so you hardly Suria will get ten, ten to
Speaker 3: eight overs in a match.
Speaker 4: And the same thing with Tiller. Tilak is also a
Speaker 4: very good batter right at the top, honestly saying. The
Speaker 4: only position that might be a little if he is
Speaker 4: at number five. Maybe it was before it was Rinku
Speaker 4: Singh who did not have a great ideal last season,
Speaker 4: So probably he might get the thing. But he is
Speaker 4: also we know that he's a finisher. He's a guy
Speaker 4: who can single handedly change a match. He has that
Speaker 4: tempo to you know, kind of hold the innings as
Speaker 4: well as go big when it is needed.
Speaker 3: Just because he's from Ko saying all this was the
Speaker 3: last time he finished a match for you guys, tell me.
Speaker 4: That so finished you guys. Last season did not work
Speaker 4: out for him. But I think in the Indian team,
Speaker 4: given his skill set as a as a fielder, as
Speaker 4: a guy who's uh trusted batter in the middle order.
Speaker 3: But I am just asking in a cutthroat competition like
Speaker 3: T twenty ice Rinku hasn't done well in the last
Speaker 3: two IPL seasons, hasn't done well, hasn't done anything of
Speaker 3: note whenever he has gotten a chance in the International Games.
Speaker 3: Does he still want a place in the site for
Speaker 3: the Asia Cup?
Speaker 5: I think he will be part of that squad, but
Speaker 5: the playing living a lot of things have changed. Now
Speaker 5: as we were talking about Schumann, so.
Speaker 3: Where is cutting back to him and putting the same
Speaker 3: question to you? Where do you think you both agree
Speaker 3: that Schumann deserves a place in the T twenty squad?
Speaker 3: If yes, where does he bat? No?
Speaker 5: That is I'm not saying that he deserves the place.
Speaker 5: It is I always maintained that it is a team
Speaker 5: management that has a plan for him. It's not you,
Speaker 5: me or Alan deciding that Shuman will play and Sir
Speaker 5: Samsung will not play. It is a team management which
Speaker 5: gave him.
Speaker 3: Tell me where he'll play.
Speaker 5: That is what I'm saying, Because no, I'm not beating
Speaker 5: on the bush. I'm telling you the fact. And if
Speaker 5: you ask me, my personal opinion is he does not
Speaker 5: fit in.
Speaker 3: That he is not years The average is fifteen average
Speaker 3: fifteen then against one forty in the Sorry strike Crador
Speaker 3: one for the wildest dreams.
Speaker 5: Pictures in the I pill are a lot more different
Speaker 5: than what pictures will have in a Cup or in
Speaker 5: the T twenty World Cup. Also, when you play in India,
Speaker 5: I don't think they're going to give those these roots
Speaker 5: route to bat in the international matches where India players
Speaker 5: against these teams in the Asia Cup or in the
Speaker 5: t'ty World Cup.
Speaker 3: A guy who has scored seven to fifty runs in
Speaker 3: the England series and you're saying that he willing.
Speaker 4: The formats again, right, why would you.
Speaker 2: Know this?
Speaker 5: This is the problem with Weir And this is the
Speaker 5: problem with a You know, you are behaving like got
Speaker 5: Weir just because someone has scored runs in you're going
Speaker 5: to be in the place.
Speaker 3: So you both agree that he has to be in
Speaker 3: the squad. But he doesn't deserve place in eleven.
Speaker 5: No, he does not.
Speaker 3: He does.
Speaker 4: See if I if I look at how the team
Speaker 4: has performed without big names like like you said, a
Speaker 4: big name like Submann, Gil Schumann. Gil is a big name.
Speaker 4: Right now, let's come to that common ground. Maybe after
Speaker 4: and Kohli probably probably the most important guy in this
Speaker 4: Indian team. But does he this brah okay? If the
Speaker 4: workload management, I guess.
Speaker 3: Hearing this.
Speaker 4: So even even in their case, like you look at
Speaker 4: that t twod a team, you don't really need to
Speaker 4: make any a lot of changes. Yeah, Sancho Sampson has
Speaker 4: done well given the chances that he was he was
Speaker 4: handed over, he did well as an opener. Sharma has
Speaker 4: done nothing wrong to be dropped from that team. Now,
Speaker 4: where is a superman Gil fit? He sees, Are you
Speaker 4: going to put him at the opening spot with ABK Sharma?
Speaker 4: Given that they've got a good camaraderie and they play
Speaker 4: for the same state. Are you going to do that?
Speaker 4: And are you going to bring in at five or six?
Speaker 4: That then you are going to probably kick out from
Speaker 4: the site. Now that is something that this team management
Speaker 4: has to decide upon because Schumann Gill opening the batting,
Speaker 4: I am not really certain that if you opened with
Speaker 4: Schumann Gill, then what happens to a Tila Kwarma Maria
Speaker 4: Anything beyond four is not good enough for him. Coming
Speaker 4: in at five is almost like the KKR case, which
Speaker 4: is why he left KR in the first place. So
Speaker 4: this is where I think the team has or probably
Speaker 4: Gumbier has shot himself in the foot because Schumann, yes,
Speaker 4: great ipl season, fantastically led the team. But was he
Speaker 4: the right Did we jump the gun with selecting him
Speaker 4: as a vice captain. That is my only concern.
Speaker 3: That's also a threat.
Speaker 5: No, So my biggest question to the management is right now.
Speaker 5: So before the ipil if I'm not wrong, we played
Speaker 5: in England home tree two days okay, abhis must scored
Speaker 5: one hundred. Samsung looked iffy, but he scored some good runs.
Speaker 5: He was scoring at a biskraite. I played a Matchmak
Speaker 5: batting at number three. Okay, Suria, as we all know,
Speaker 5: is one of the best stdentary batters. You can't remove him.
Speaker 5: So your top four are there? Where do you fit
Speaker 5: in super Gill if you look at your last centary
Speaker 5: series where you actually decimated England, dominated and decimated England,
Speaker 5: and now when you're talking about this Asia Cup squad,
Speaker 5: my biggest concern right now is that if I have
Speaker 5: to make a call, apart from boom Rah, I don't
Speaker 5: see any other player making the playing eleven of the
Speaker 5: same side where he was not part of for the
Speaker 5: last one year.
Speaker 3: Because I you know, the basic, uh basic example of
Speaker 3: any good team is like if I am playing a
Speaker 3: Continental Cup, and if I have to select a squad,
Speaker 3: and if I select a playing eleven, if I'm making
Speaker 3: the change to an olidy suttle unit, I need to
Speaker 3: make a change where this particular player, whoever he or
Speaker 3: she is, has to come.
Speaker 5: And upgrade that position as a batter, as a bowler.
Speaker 5: I don't think Schumann is a uprade on Sancho Samson.
Speaker 5: I do not even on a Sman. No, I don't think.
Speaker 5: I don't think he's an upgreade on Suria, on Tila Burma,
Speaker 5: on Harley. And if you talk about vice captaincy, you
Speaker 5: know when he was made the vice captain. I remember
Speaker 5: me and you we were talking and we have said
Speaker 5: that you did not make the captain. You gave Suah
Speaker 5: the captaincy. Fine, you can't take away that vice captains
Speaker 5: from Hardig. This is absolutely unfair. What wrong has he done?
Speaker 5: You don't get from it. He bowled that mash winning
Speaker 5: over in that you don't World Cup finals, we were
Speaker 5: defeated South Africa. You were on the edge of a
Speaker 5: seat and you won that game. So he has given
Speaker 5: you everything with the bat. He has proved his he
Speaker 5: comes over on the order to scored some good runs.
Speaker 5: He finish the game for you. He has been giving
Speaker 5: you good four overs up in the first power play.
Speaker 5: If you want him to bowls there, if you want
Speaker 5: to bowl in that over, he bowls there. So he's
Speaker 5: done everything. Why will you steep him? Vice captaincy so there? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 5: So like you asked, this is not a threat for Suria.
Speaker 5: This is a threat for Harley for me, because Suria
Speaker 5: is I think it's in late thirty thirty one three.
Speaker 3: Early thirty Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's the thirty four thirty five around that range.
Speaker 5: So I don't think Suria will last after T twenty
Speaker 5: World Cup because the way this team is behaving that
Speaker 5: they want a transition after every year. They don't want
Speaker 5: old players, they want a young blood management. I don't
Speaker 5: think Suria will have that roupe. If you feel superformed,
Speaker 5: you know the World Cup, is it a case of
Speaker 5: just you know, the superstars pushing to be all format players.
Speaker 5: I think that is is and it's also a big
Speaker 5: test for Gumby asient was always spoken about, you know,
Speaker 5: not mixing formats being clear.
Speaker 3: So if he like you said, if he does that,
Speaker 3: it's like shooting himself.
Speaker 5: Well, no one, one more thing I wanted to point out, yeah,
Speaker 5: that whatever happens in the cricket does have a commercial
Speaker 5: value to it.
Speaker 4: Yes.
Speaker 5: Fine, So remember the District To podcast which is happening
Speaker 5: in England Dunest series. Soraisha was talking to Michael Vaughan
Speaker 5: and Lester Cook and David Lloyd and they asked him
Speaker 5: what is it that makes India a more loving country
Speaker 5: for cricket and what are the commercial benefits. Gave an
Speaker 5: example that especially since this commercialize has boomed in Indian
Speaker 5: nineteen nineties from such rare turo hit, we always had
Speaker 5: superstars from DONI who have actually been the face of
Speaker 5: inning cricket. Now to be the face of Indian cricket
Speaker 5: you have to be an all format player. You just
Speaker 5: don't play T twenty's orde is your tests and be
Speaker 5: the face of an all format coach and be the
Speaker 5: face of it has never happened till now. It might happen,
Speaker 5: but it has never happened. Fine with Suma. Also, Sastri
Speaker 5: said very rightly, this boy has got looks, he's got
Speaker 5: the talent and he has now been given the captaincy
Speaker 5: of Test cricket and now that his team has actually
Speaker 5: drawn a series against England's bass ballers in their conditions,
Speaker 5: he has got a much more say. He's got much
Speaker 5: more say in whatever happens in cricket and Gumbi would
Speaker 5: like to cash in on that. Even the b S
Speaker 5: would like to cash on him and make him an
Speaker 5: all format players, to appease the advertisers to bring more
Speaker 5: deals and making the new post integrated.
Speaker 3: After even so, what do you say? It might seem
Speaker 3: ridiculous on the outside that we're selling layers based on
Speaker 3: it looks, but this, like said, like you quoted him,
Speaker 3: this hold water.
Speaker 4: There is even there was an interesting factor I was
Speaker 4: last day. I was going through one of those YouTube videos.
Speaker 4: It was a very simple video. It was about how
Speaker 4: Schumann Gill got that Ammar of deal. Now, one of
Speaker 4: the things that pointed out and it struck me, was
Speaker 4: the fact that Emma as a bat manufacturer, tire manufacturer,
Speaker 4: tire manufacturer, but as a bat sponsor sponsor, they've always
Speaker 4: found out superstars when they were young like for such
Speaker 4: a such An was a big example for it. Then
Speaker 4: you had Kohalie when he was just about to hit
Speaker 4: that stride, when he was about to hit that prime.
Speaker 4: They got him now with Shupman. Also just before a
Speaker 4: monumental England series during the Champions Trophy where he had
Speaker 4: started off with a certain and bat manufacturer and in
Speaker 4: between you shifted to a mar that clearly shows that
Speaker 4: you know, this guy is going to be the next
Speaker 4: big star. Whether you like it or not, he is
Speaker 4: going to be put down our throads.
Speaker 3: So the selection committee makee selectors. Both of you are like,
Speaker 3: you know brands.
Speaker 5: You're talking like you don't know how the brand deals
Speaker 5: working in cricket.
Speaker 3: Who else used AMRF an Indian crickets use and also
Speaker 3: used it, used to use it, I used to use it.
Speaker 4: But but when you look at that on that side
Speaker 4: as well, when you look at it, it is uh.
Speaker 4: When it comes to the Indian players, they have always
Speaker 4: caught them young because that is how their brand and
Speaker 4: Indian cricket. It's almost like that brand and the Indian
Speaker 4: cricket goes simultaneously in terms of stardom. When you talk
Speaker 4: about start another interest sting fact which I felt is
Speaker 4: because probably this India's approach of going hell for leather
Speaker 4: might work on the Indian flat tracks. Maybe it does
Speaker 4: not work in u A and there you might need
Speaker 4: a supermann Gill kind of an innings which he used.
Speaker 4: He was playing in uh in the Champions, in the
Speaker 4: Champions Trophy, and in the ip A where you know
Speaker 4: he was he was scoring at a brisk rate. Let's
Speaker 4: not be let's not make a mistake about it. But
Speaker 4: the fact was he was concentrating more on rotating strike
Speaker 4: and ensuring that he stays there. So probably that is
Speaker 4: also a thinking behind it. But yeah, for me, if
Speaker 4: you're sticking by that approach of going hell for leather
Speaker 4: from the get go, he does not fit in this
Speaker 4: team and that's a sad reality. But then you completely
Speaker 4: have to rejig your entire team.
Speaker 3: Okay, if you had to drop one of the two,
Speaker 3: Samson or Abishaik one of the two, don't be like Rushford. No, No,
Speaker 3: I very frank with if you have to drop, that's
Speaker 3: the question.
Speaker 5: So if I have to drop, that's a very tough
Speaker 5: question to us because these two have given us so
Speaker 5: much good knocks.
Speaker 3: Okay, in the top four, if you drop one, I would.
Speaker 5: Not because of his formerly but because she's the youngest
Speaker 5: of them and if we get a lot more chances.
Speaker 3: You ask Alan whether Schumann Gil or as well for
Speaker 3: the opening slot, he'll be.
Speaker 4: I am going to probably get the wrath of my
Speaker 4: my fellow. I think Samson, just because of the fact
Speaker 4: that you have a lined up can come lower round
Speaker 4: the order. Because Ak in the last England series, we
Speaker 4: saw that Abishak was more consistent than Samson. Samson was struggling,
Speaker 4: especially against a short board showed no. I mean, he
Speaker 4: does have his own weaknesses, but he did not show
Speaker 4: it during that series and he was going very well,
Speaker 4: especially in that Mumbai match against England. So that is
Speaker 4: why I feel maybe Samson might not get the NOD
Speaker 4: and Schumann might come in because.
Speaker 5: Of his.
Speaker 3: This is the line that was being you, you know,
Speaker 3: so you your own people are backstabbing you the time
Speaker 3: to come.
Speaker 4: To to come to I think that is that is
Speaker 4: probably in his future as well.
Speaker 3: Let's see.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I feel Samson might because I don't want
Speaker 4: to drop has done exceptionally well at number three, was
Speaker 4: and then like you can't drop. Sorry, he's the captain.
Speaker 5: The captain, you know.
Speaker 3: I just wanted to, you know, discus a couple more points.
Speaker 3: But we'll talk in detail about Asia. Maybe the squad
Speaker 3: is coming the third week of August, is what we've
Speaker 3: been told, but you never know might come only we
Speaker 3: might have another episode of podcast previewing the squad selection.
Speaker 3: But you brought up so is it just Sanjo and.
Speaker 5: In the in the setup, No, I don't think so
Speaker 5: that's sort of right, yeah, because because for Kish, I
Speaker 5: think he's out of the hundred in the he's out
Speaker 5: of the plants and even in the i p L
Speaker 5: apart from that one hundred, he did not do a
Speaker 5: lot of good in knocks where played a very very
Speaker 5: important role in our title winning. Had he not played
Speaker 5: that knock in against Algy in that qualifier.
Speaker 3: To I don't remember that much of i PL now,
Speaker 3: especially after this test series.
Speaker 5: But again won the Yeah, I mean, yes, you hate
Speaker 5: r CV and you can you can do this, but
Speaker 5: we have actually broken the title thrinks.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, was a real for the hero for them. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So I think that opens up that middle order spot
Speaker 4: as well if finisher role which is like like you said,
Speaker 4: is not fitting in that role, maybe can't do that
Speaker 4: because has been sensational for r c BL this season.
Speaker 4: He's got on his side probably you will push up
Speaker 4: a hardy Panta to number five maybe and have at
Speaker 4: six that also helps the team out. So that is
Speaker 4: where I feel Samson might have a little bit of
Speaker 4: an issue.
Speaker 3: And yeah, just one more before we head into another
Speaker 3: big debate. Is Bumra playing the No.
Speaker 5: I don't think they will list Boomra with the Cup.
Speaker 6: No.
Speaker 5: Sila is not part of the tretain Day side and
Speaker 5: in the plants. He's not in the plant for Treltain
Speaker 5: Day for me, if I'm not wrong, the.
Speaker 4: Same with me, I don't think given how like this
Speaker 4: team functions and how important how much importance the Asia
Speaker 4: Cup has, it's basically just a tournament with no major
Speaker 4: stakes on the line apart from maybe winning the silverware.
Speaker 4: But I from what we can see, it's like the
Speaker 4: Indian team does not give a lot of care for
Speaker 4: that tournament as such, and because of which I don't
Speaker 4: see Boomera coming in. He'll be given a long rest.
Speaker 4: Maybe he'll be back for the West Indies series, which
Speaker 4: also I don't feel he should be playing two matches.
Speaker 4: Maybe let Siraj and some of the other new bowlers
Speaker 4: get a chance and let Bumra take a well needed
Speaker 4: dress and then let him be ready.
Speaker 5: For the big question comes here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I said, like, without telling me why or
Speaker 3: explaining it, tell me if India should play Pakistan in
Speaker 3: the Shack Cup. No you wellen, Yes, cool, that's up
Speaker 3: for later. Yeah. But you know what, when we don't
Speaker 3: have anything in cricket, when there is a lull, suddenly
Speaker 3: these two come into the limelight. They will be targeted.
Speaker 3: There will be stories well reported or misquoted, or agendas
Speaker 3: being peddled. And we have come to that stage again.
Speaker 3: We're at and Ruth retired from T twenty I is
Speaker 3: after the World Cup last year. Uh. They retired from
Speaker 3: test cricket midway through the IPL before the England series.
Speaker 3: That was a bit of a shock, yes, with okay,
Speaker 3: you have sensed it, but we're art. Quitting tests before
Speaker 3: the England series was a bit of a shock. Now
Speaker 3: there are rumors, reports, whatever you we want to call it,
Speaker 3: saying that they might not play beyond the Australia tour
Speaker 3: which is in October, which is the next Oodia assignment
Speaker 3: for India. India was scheduled to play Bangladesh in August
Speaker 3: in a three Odia series that was widely expected to
Speaker 3: be Ruth and Virat's come back. But now that has
Speaker 3: been pushed October. Why this debate doesn't like are they
Speaker 3: not good enough to play the twenty twenty seven World Cup?
Speaker 3: Why are we talking about it now? That whether they
Speaker 3: will last the next two years, whether Australia will be
Speaker 3: their last tour India plays, say twelve oody Eyes before
Speaker 3: the IPL next year, three against Australia, three against a
Speaker 3: visiting South African team, three against New Zealand if I'm
Speaker 3: not wrong, and three against England in England that probably
Speaker 3: might be after the IPL. Also, I'm not sure, but
Speaker 3: twelve Oody Eyes in the next one year, what should
Speaker 3: they do as in like should they play the visits
Speaker 3: are atrophy?
Speaker 5: You know, I don't understand this nonsensical drama over brad
Speaker 5: kl and this started in December when both of these
Speaker 5: could not perform in those laces with a part from
Speaker 5: the hundred did not do much and then apart.
Speaker 3: From the interview, didn't do anything.
Speaker 5: Yeah, actually he did not do anything. But then when
Speaker 5: they came to India and there were rumors and it
Speaker 5: looked like the BSI has issues tak to both of them.
Speaker 5: That to everyone of apart from Oma. If you want
Speaker 5: to play testcret for India, you have to play domestic cricket,
Speaker 5: and both of them actually played domestic cricket only to
Speaker 5: retire and not play any further Test cricket for India.
Speaker 5: So I don't buy into buy into the merit of
Speaker 5: playing trophy for you to play the audios.
Speaker 3: See there are three oas before that. Yeah, I think
Speaker 3: six yas before the Trophy starts in December. I think
Speaker 3: three against Australia and three against South Africa. So if
Speaker 3: this six two hundred in that series, that is.
Speaker 5: What I'm telling you. The last big Odea tournament you
Speaker 5: played with the champions Strophy, right, yeah? How did you
Speaker 5: win it? Who are you major contributors?
Speaker 3: Schumann, Gill?
Speaker 4: What did do?
Speaker 5: He scored tons of runs for you, Bill, You in
Speaker 5: a lot of matches apart with k Lowell did not tournament.
Speaker 5: But then in the final he comes and scores a
Speaker 5: brilliant hundred and his Captaincy was his Captaincy was on
Speaker 5: the spot without Boomera. He and Gmir had a plan
Speaker 5: and finally it looked like this duo of Gumbi and
Speaker 5: Rowith is working in and working in tandem. And everything
Speaker 5: is going in there fa So now why will I
Speaker 5: disturb that thing? Why will why will do it not play?
Speaker 5: Odeas see until less and they themselves come out that
Speaker 5: we don't want to play. Or when they play in
Speaker 5: Australia and they are just not able to tie the ball,
Speaker 5: they're not able to run behind in the between the wickets,
Speaker 5: then I will question you know, they're not fitting to
Speaker 5: play for India right now? It looks for me they
Speaker 5: they they're they're fit enough. Like before that don't do
Speaker 5: World Cup? They're not played to negate for one year,
Speaker 5: both of them. They were called back one or one
Speaker 5: one month before that a series they both came in
Speaker 5: and then they both played World Cup and you wanted
Speaker 5: the World Cup? So why will I remove them? Yes
Speaker 5: that oday World Cup is like two years from now
Speaker 5: and you have got so many series to decide, So
Speaker 5: why not let them play and let their form take
Speaker 5: a call instead of speculating, because I would want both
Speaker 5: of them to be part of that World Cup squad
Speaker 5: leading and batting a number three.
Speaker 4: And also the thing is that when you have these
Speaker 4: two guys going out, it's the same problem like do
Speaker 4: you replace?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Can I don't see a Schumann Gill playing like a
Speaker 4: road Sherma has done in the odios for the last
Speaker 4: couple of years, being that aggressor getting people to change
Speaker 4: their lines and lines and like absolutely thrashing the team
Speaker 4: in the first and ours. And then does a superman
Speaker 4: Gill or somebody else play the the kind of knocks
Speaker 4: that Kohley has played. You might remember that Pakistan game
Speaker 4: where he guided as to victory, the kind of way
Speaker 4: that he played and how he frustrated Pakistan. Do we
Speaker 4: have anybody who can do the same role in that
Speaker 4: batting order. That's exactly what we thought for the England series. Also,
Speaker 4: people came out and scored.
Speaker 5: This again, don't please actually don't mix formats. Yeah, in
Speaker 5: Test both of them were struggling for runs. Cooley could
Speaker 5: not even time the ball and he was getting out
Speaker 5: in the same manner in every Test match in odia
Speaker 5: is it's a complete different format. He scored tons of
Speaker 5: runs centuries in the championship. Have you in the tournament?
Speaker 5: Roy also not that extremely well throw a tournament, but
Speaker 5: then comes the main game and he steps up especially
Speaker 5: and you saw what happened in World Cup. It was
Speaker 5: ruy to set the platform for us in every game,
Speaker 5: and Verat was the one who was actually aggregator for us,
Speaker 5: was aggregator, and then we had a blueprint on how
Speaker 5: a year will bat, how k will bad, how how
Speaker 5: they gill back? Why will you disturb that until less
Speaker 5: Vivat and Ruth failed to school runs in the upcoming
Speaker 5: of Slace series. I don't see that they should be
Speaker 5: quitting World Cup.
Speaker 4: I mean I have seen all this speculation, all the
Speaker 4: things of Rowick coming out wearing a T shirt and
Speaker 4: he looked out of shape. How Wiat's white beard is
Speaker 4: causing a havoc all over the place. I am like
Speaker 4: getting scared right now, I've started getting graysed on my beard.
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, will people write me off also in
Speaker 4: the near future. But those are not criterias for like,
Speaker 4: you have a team that has been set up. The
Speaker 4: Odia team has been set up. I think there has
Speaker 4: not been a lot of changes coming in.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 4: When you make these changes, you need to have backups.
Speaker 4: A guy like yeses we has not done He's played
Speaker 4: one match in the Odias that's it now. Wirat at
Speaker 4: number three has been sensational for us. We have never
Speaker 4: thought about a time where who else can come in
Speaker 4: and play that role. So these are questions that the
Speaker 4: management needs to ask because like you cannot. You should
Speaker 4: not be forcing two of India's best odia players out
Speaker 4: of a format when they can still.
Speaker 3: Deliver for the Texactly.
Speaker 4: When they are still getting run stampin Trophie was probably
Speaker 4: a test for both both men after the Australia series
Speaker 4: debacle that had happened. But they performed well. They've showed
Speaker 4: that they're still got it and they can still win
Speaker 4: new matches in odias. So then why is the need
Speaker 4: for you know, doing transition in the name of transition. Yes,
Speaker 4: these guys will not continue for a long period of time,
Speaker 4: there might be two years max to max. But understand
Speaker 4: their value. Let them decide on their own to step out.
Speaker 4: This has been for me personally when I sit here,
Speaker 4: when I look at it, when I go through the news,
Speaker 4: it does feel even the pulse of the audience. There
Speaker 4: are a lot of people who are saying I saw
Speaker 4: a tweet where a fan just said, please do not
Speaker 4: play via trophy and all that. You just retire because
Speaker 4: this is what the team management wants from you as well.
Speaker 4: So that is more or less like the people are
Speaker 4: also getting agitated by it. Why is there a question
Speaker 4: about these people? Why is there a question about Roth
Speaker 4: and Kohley performing for the team. There is never a question.
Speaker 4: You have got two good players who can still deliver
Speaker 4: at their top, so let them play. And World Cup
Speaker 4: is still far away. We have got two more years.
Speaker 4: Maybe something happens, maybe Coley goes on a good run
Speaker 4: like how such In went on his towards the end
Speaker 4: of his career during that to twenty.
Speaker 3: Or maybe that happens as well.
Speaker 4: But you have you can make a decision after that.
Speaker 4: Why force them right now into a complete international cricket
Speaker 4: retirement is something that is beyond Why did you guys.
Speaker 3: Love by the way in Australia before the World Cup?
Speaker 3: Do only won new matches?
Speaker 5: I do know when you're talking about Doney and World Cup.
Speaker 5: I only know two games. The gaming is England and
Speaker 5: the game and well was.
Speaker 3: An outstanding game. He would have finished it. Had not
Speaker 3: finished it, that was an unluck.
Speaker 5: He did not finishing. Doney retired when he knew that
Speaker 5: he could not do things rightly. He could not score
Speaker 5: the winning runs art and take the call on themselves.
Speaker 5: What wrong have been done in the Rode.
Speaker 3: Farmer exactly I saw tweet asking was done the last
Speaker 3: captain who had the power till he retired, till he
Speaker 3: stepped down as captain. I think yes, twenty seventeen he
Speaker 3: stepped down as captain in his own terms test though
Speaker 3: he didn't want to play it beyond twenty fourteen. If
Speaker 3: you look at Truth after what happened, If you look
Speaker 3: at Art after Sarawgong, he took over and you know
Speaker 3: there was another influential figure there. Things didn't work out well. Again,
Speaker 3: we all knew what happened with him in the test
Speaker 3: format T twenty eight to go on call. But now
Speaker 3: with ODI, I am increasingly fearing that were Art might
Speaker 3: just last the two years with Right might not. That's
Speaker 3: probably probably down to fitness and all that. But I
Speaker 3: hope stays there because that thing is and we are.
Speaker 3: Sport is about being emotional. Ruth has always been emotional,
Speaker 3: saying that I can play, I can win so many
Speaker 3: T twenty World Cups and all that. But that Odia
Speaker 3: World Cup which he missed in twenty eleven, which India
Speaker 3: one and twenty eleven, Yeah, is always his dream, ultimate dream.
Speaker 3: But yeah, that's kind of you know, like you pointed
Speaker 3: out a little unfair on these two that every time
Speaker 3: something is not happening, somebody is not being When Schupern
Speaker 3: Gill is not in the news, you bring back with.
Speaker 4: A yeah, getting ready for practice, this is the news today.
Speaker 1: Yeah it is.
Speaker 3: But you know, one thing I would agree with what
Speaker 3: whoever is taking these calls is I would want these
Speaker 3: to play a trophy, like to get to be informed.
Speaker 3: Because if you're just playing twelves in the next one
Speaker 3: year and then an ipl I would want them to
Speaker 3: come to Vizias are a trophy and play anyways, they
Speaker 3: can't play the entirety of a trophy. I saw the schedule.
Speaker 3: It will clash with the January ideas that you're playing.
Speaker 3: So maybe a couple of games in Via are a
Speaker 3: trophy maybe, you.
Speaker 4: Know, for me, like, okay, you want to bring these
Speaker 4: guys in, get the hype of the tournament up. That
Speaker 4: is well and good, like let all the Indian like
Speaker 4: how English England are doing right now with the hundred.
Speaker 4: They're making all of their players go and play in
Speaker 4: the hundred. Stokes is not playing, but he's still around
Speaker 4: the system. So in that sense, yes, I'm more than
Speaker 4: happy because most of the times we nobody looks at
Speaker 4: these uh trophy unless like we hear a tweet saying,
Speaker 4: oh scored five hundred trot he's stunning form. Maybe a
Speaker 4: Coali comes in or a rowth comes in. These kind
Speaker 4: of players also get that exposure in that sense, Yes, wonderful,
Speaker 4: but don't.
Speaker 3: Judge them on the performances.
Speaker 4: But to judge them, I don't know, because I feel
Speaker 4: they have enough merit in their tank because of what
Speaker 4: they did in the Champions Trophy as well to stay
Speaker 4: in it. So why do you need to push like
Speaker 4: playing domestic cricket just for the name of it or
Speaker 4: the sake of it is not needed for these two guys,
Speaker 4: That is what I beat.
Speaker 3: I believe.
Speaker 4: Yes, you brought in the Runi trophy thing because they
Speaker 4: were not doing well in red ball cricket. I understand that,
Speaker 4: But why trophy? Has there ever been a series where,
Speaker 4: like two series is we are playing a row with
Speaker 4: and a coolie comes in out of a break. Do
Speaker 4: you ever feel that, Oh, these guys are completely out
Speaker 4: of touch.
Speaker 3: But that was a little different before, right, they were
Speaker 3: playing multiple formats. Now they're playing only one format and
Speaker 3: probably an IPL so you need to be in touch
Speaker 3: for their own good. They should probably.
Speaker 4: They they have got like I said, I keep on
Speaker 4: beating that same drum. They have got merit in their ranks.
Speaker 4: You do not see a row Charma changing his approach
Speaker 4: because of him being away from the game for a
Speaker 4: long period of time. Comes in, he plays that same way.
Speaker 4: Bikoli does the same thing as well. Then why do
Speaker 4: you need to force it across the border. Barber a
Speaker 4: bigger star than anyone.
Speaker 5: Else, my god, and what does he do there? That
Speaker 5: is also the question that is where I was going
Speaker 5: to come. Actually, you you're talking like we're talking about
Speaker 5: someone from Sri Lanka or West Indies or kan or Zimbabwe.
Speaker 5: You're talking about two of the greatest odios players ever
Speaker 5: born in any era, and they have given so much
Speaker 5: to the game. Barber is not a great cricket Barber
Speaker 5: is a fraud. For all the all all the technicality
Speaker 5: that he has had, his temperament is just not there.
Speaker 5: You can see that.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: He always he wanted to be the captain. He and
Speaker 5: his father and his brother, so they had this, Yeah,
Speaker 5: I want to be the captain and my friends will
Speaker 5: play cricket for Pakistan. Look at what he's done to
Speaker 5: Pakistan cricket until the time Parkistan cricket realizes that he's
Speaker 5: a fraud.
Speaker 3: They done, the.
Speaker 4: Whole team became a fraud. Transition to so ice.
Speaker 5: Now they're okay, okay, no problem world. When it comes
Speaker 5: scored some forty seven or seventy five balls, he's playing
Speaker 5: the cricket of nineteen eighties.
Speaker 3: Next game he comes Class three classic players, vintage players.
Speaker 5: Around. You know this this is because this is this
Speaker 5: is just like we don't have anyone super super superstars.
Speaker 5: All brand dose means everything around Pakistan cricket was around
Speaker 5: barbarasam and look at where Pakistan cret is still.
Speaker 3: Barber has the best cover driving.
Speaker 5: Good for good for the riling up, good for Yeah,
Speaker 5: what say.
Speaker 3: Like one one one quick last question before we wind
Speaker 3: up this episode of Sledging podcast. Schumann Gil captain playing
Speaker 3: under him seven World Cup. Do you see that happening?
Speaker 5: It might happen with how our coaches are because but
Speaker 5: will agree to that. I don't think so? It it
Speaker 5: this this this is a very very what is a
Speaker 5: maker big sitution for ro interested career. Dooney was the
Speaker 5: one who groomed Cool to be his deputy.
Speaker 3: You didn't groom anyone. That's the problem.
Speaker 5: It's not like Roy did not groom anyone. Was the
Speaker 5: vice captain? Care was the vice captain?
Speaker 3: How many mesa was? Gill was the vice captain under captains?
Speaker 3: Tell me champions he was the vice captain champions.
Speaker 5: Of Fine And more importantly, if you want to give
Speaker 5: Gil the captaincy on the name of giving him a
Speaker 5: longer run and giving the giving India a young captain
Speaker 5: so that he can fit in this, this has to
Speaker 5: hold some merit.
Speaker 3: But why don't we look at the other ways and
Speaker 3: when r is around itself, Gil gets the captaincy and
Speaker 3: Ruith is around to mentor him through the rest of
Speaker 3: the cycle till the twenty one seven World Cup. Probably
Speaker 3: that might also work, right as in like Dony did
Speaker 3: that to Kohli like for two years, although Coli didn't
Speaker 3: end up winning a lot of tournaments after that, and
Speaker 3: that experience when you have a shoulder to lean on.
Speaker 3: But I think and one more thing, I have a
Speaker 3: very very controversial opinion that you were putting so much
Speaker 3: on Schumann Gil. Yes, his team drew a series in England,
Speaker 3: but it is not on his tactical billions or cause
Speaker 3: coach gum his team selections. Again, I'm getting back to
Speaker 3: that sort. No, at twenty six, Vera was an all
Speaker 3: format captain, Barber was an all format captain at twenty and.
Speaker 5: Whatever it is.
Speaker 3: The superstars have to take the responsibility. If you are
Speaker 3: a superstar, you have to take the responsibility.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Schumann Gill is being framed
Speaker 5: as the superstar. He is one of the stars of
Speaker 5: indegraded right now. Let him score and perform and let
Speaker 5: him win you more games. Cooley used to win games.
Speaker 5: I guess prime Malinga at the age of twenty two
Speaker 5: twenty three. I want schumann Gill do something like that
Speaker 5: before getting captain c for India. You're giving him the
Speaker 5: captain's interesting get great, fine. You played against a supper
Speaker 5: England team and their own home conditions where their main
Speaker 5: book fast boros are not there, and they were also
Speaker 5: there were also there were so many catches off from
Speaker 5: both sides, a lot of hay wire things happened, and
Speaker 5: in the nick of the moment you finally managed to
Speaker 5: level the series. You know, before the last wicket was falling. Well,
Speaker 5: we all knew England could win the Series three one.
Speaker 5: Would you have the same narative? Then no, no, you
Speaker 5: can't have this. I am not a see I have
Speaker 5: been an integrated fan and I'm proud to say that
Speaker 5: my cricket team in this has always worn things. They
Speaker 5: reached the finals of big tournaments. I don't see Schumann
Speaker 5: will let the captain who will take you to the
Speaker 5: final of an I SEC tournament in his first captaincy
Speaker 5: in his debut tournament.
Speaker 4: I agree to one fact which Saurab is saying, like
Speaker 4: you know, putting all the pressure on him right now
Speaker 4: does not also work out for USA is an experience
Speaker 4: hunt because with Rowith he has demanded that respect from
Speaker 4: this team. Right with DONI there was that respect, and
Speaker 4: DONI gave that respect to Cooley and Coley carried it forward.
Speaker 4: Coley got his own people in and they were all
Speaker 4: starting to perform under him, while DONI slowly became like
Speaker 4: a character in the background. He was there, but he
Speaker 4: was not at the forefront of it. Now, let a
Speaker 4: guilt slowly become If you want to make him the superstar,
Speaker 4: let him take more responsibility with the bat. Let it
Speaker 4: let him be show some aggression right up top, like
Speaker 4: how Rowith is doing. Maybe follow suit or maybe when
Speaker 4: a rat is there. He can probably become a run
Speaker 4: machine under Wirat's guidance. And then you put him into
Speaker 4: the spotlight of being the captain, which I don't see
Speaker 4: it happening in two years time. Give the guy, give
Speaker 4: him some breathing space as well. He's already got the
Speaker 4: Test cricket thing on his head and he's now being
Speaker 4: put into the T two das as well. Let him
Speaker 4: slowly develop and then see we know that inevitably he's
Speaker 4: going to be all format player and the all format captain.
Speaker 4: I'm saying that right now he is going to end
Speaker 4: up taking up all three formats and becoming the single
Speaker 4: captain of all three sites. That is where this is
Speaker 4: heading towards now for these two for this format and
Speaker 4: the T two dyes, let him grow into that role,
Speaker 4: Let him take more responsibility, be the aggressor and sometimes
Speaker 4: save the team winner. Run chase maybe five or six
Speaker 4: or seven, how he was performing in England, Let him
Speaker 4: do that right now. You're going to thrust him in everywhere.
Speaker 4: He's going to be like a flavor of the season.
Speaker 4: And then once that dies off, he will also die off.
Speaker 4: Not in the way like how a Row than Koli
Speaker 4: did it because they built it on respect, performances and their.
Speaker 3: Aura that you have.
Speaker 4: He's not Sumann has not got that aura right now,
Speaker 4: let him build it, build on it.
Speaker 3: We have selected teams based on looks, looks and aura. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I think we have to go the gen Z way
Speaker 3: also a little bit.
Speaker 5: But you're not talking about the main thing with me
Speaker 5: and al talk the performances swimming. Gill has to keep
Speaker 5: on performing. Had a generational series in Australia and let
Speaker 5: try ses. You have a you have an audios is
Speaker 5: coming in Australia. Let's see what Gis does there and
Speaker 5: then leave the marketing bit out, leave the aura with out,
Speaker 5: leave the freest bit out, let him perform. Let's see
Speaker 5: what happens.
Speaker 3: Then. Yeah, it is more than some of the guys
Speaker 3: you talk about in Odio cricket. Already an established superstar
Speaker 3: and Odia cricket.
Speaker 4: Yes, absolutely, he had a.
Speaker 5: Twenty twenty three was sensational for I'm telling you, Let
Speaker 5: him win a match on his own, let him win
Speaker 5: a series on his own, let him show that spark
Speaker 5: of brilliance.
Speaker 4: Because if you if you're going, if you're going to
Speaker 4: throw out.
Speaker 3: In my opinion, in there is more likelihood of him
Speaker 3: becoming the Odia Captain than him becoming the T twenty I.
Speaker 3: You know, mainstay is what I think, because he's a
Speaker 3: he's a tailor made for Odio cricket is what I think. Yeah,
Speaker 3: good in tests, moving to be good in tests. Not
Speaker 3: a T twenty I, I agree with that. Yeah, not
Speaker 3: a T twenty I enforcer at this point. He can
Speaker 3: be a good anchor something that we did for us
Speaker 3: like for the last three four years. But I think
Speaker 3: that him becoming the Odio Captain before the Odio World
Speaker 3: Cup is probably on the card.
Speaker 4: And I wouldn't be surprised if he takes number three
Speaker 4: also from Wirat. Maybe not think he would love to
Speaker 4: take that if he takes up number three from Wirat,
Speaker 4: who he considers him to be his idol. And I
Speaker 4: think Coley also has that soft spot for Shupman because
Speaker 4: of their roots being same and we've seen them interact
Speaker 4: in the team as.
Speaker 5: Well as in the Star Wars.
Speaker 3: I just hope that Sumann doesn't graze Beard and come out.
Speaker 4: Of that I think that is also inevitable at some
Speaker 4: point probably, but yeah, I think Sumann might end up
Speaker 4: being the number three also captain and number three that
Speaker 4: is the biggest responsibilities he could have. Will be at
Speaker 4: number three. Test May is at number four. He's following
Speaker 4: the Rali route in my opinion, so that, like you said,
Speaker 4: it might be inevitable. But for me, I think Road
Speaker 4: and Cooley has to play the twenty seven World Cup.
Speaker 4: There is no if sent buds. If both of them
Speaker 4: have fitness and they have the mind to go ahead
Speaker 4: and do it, they should play.
Speaker 3: I think by the time we meet them next week
Speaker 3: we'll have a little more clarity on all these, at
Speaker 3: least on the Asia Cup thing. I don't know what
Speaker 3: clarity do we need about Roth and Kohli. As far
Speaker 3: as we are concerned, they should stay on until the
Speaker 3: twenty twenty seven World Cup. Yes, but it's also important
Speaker 3: to get the thoughts of our listeners and viewers on
Speaker 3: you know where the schumannill is cut for tree twenty
Speaker 3: eyes and what's the buss about? What the fuss about?
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