WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.320 --> 00:00:07.559 You're listening to KFI A six on demand. Jack, Welcome 2 00:00:07.599 --> 00:00:08.480 to Jesus Christ Show. 3 00:00:10.119 --> 00:00:14.439 Hello, good morning, Hi there so far, first time listener 4 00:00:14.480 --> 00:00:16.760 to this radio program. It was referred to me during 5 00:00:16.879 --> 00:00:21.559 a few of the podcast Los Angeles and tuning in 6 00:00:21.600 --> 00:00:24.320 and so far, like in two things that I've heard 7 00:00:24.359 --> 00:00:26.160 that I've been able to connect to you. One is 8 00:00:26.239 --> 00:00:28.879 kind of the outside perimeter of what the church has 9 00:00:28.920 --> 00:00:32.640 looked like versus the inside activity and behaviors when they're 10 00:00:32.920 --> 00:00:37.119 leaving there and away from there. And I'm finding myself 11 00:00:37.119 --> 00:00:39.719 in a really good relationship at one point that had 12 00:00:39.759 --> 00:00:42.320 just some very deep friendship and a very long laughing 13 00:00:42.399 --> 00:00:48.000 life with a pregnancy. Even though unmarried and in a 14 00:00:48.039 --> 00:00:52.079 religious difference, there was still a very common ground there. 15 00:00:52.240 --> 00:00:57.159 And now that it's getting closer to first, just kind 16 00:00:57.159 --> 00:01:00.640 of wondering maybe an approach to have a religious and 17 00:01:00.719 --> 00:01:05.239 non religious parents for weekend activity or daily activity with 18 00:01:06.920 --> 00:01:09.560 church versus maybe working on a project at the house. 19 00:01:10.000 --> 00:01:13.400 Both kind of have the same ending and meaning in life. 20 00:01:13.599 --> 00:01:16.120 But I don't want to push my ground and I 21 00:01:16.120 --> 00:01:18.000 don't think the other thing that she would want to 22 00:01:18.000 --> 00:01:22.640 for sure stan making somebody do this than that, So sure. 23 00:01:22.519 --> 00:01:25.840 This becomes difficult. So I'm assuming you're the one that's not. 24 00:01:28.359 --> 00:01:31.120 I grew up in a very religious background. I understand 25 00:01:31.200 --> 00:01:34.000 a lot of the you know, just a lot of 26 00:01:34.079 --> 00:01:37.480 Christianity that around it. My mom and family are still 27 00:01:37.560 --> 00:01:39.640 very involved in the church at a very advanced level, 28 00:01:39.840 --> 00:01:41.879 and so that part of it I get. And I 29 00:01:42.640 --> 00:01:45.799 see them do it more as an individual versus a group. 30 00:01:46.040 --> 00:01:48.840 And when I go into the group setting, maybe I 31 00:01:48.920 --> 00:01:52.439 don't get. I just don't get out of it. I 32 00:01:52.480 --> 00:01:53.519 do as an individual. 33 00:01:54.959 --> 00:01:55.959 Okay, what what? 34 00:01:55.959 --> 00:01:56.200 What? 35 00:01:56.200 --> 00:01:57.760 Why do you think that is? Do you like any 36 00:01:57.799 --> 00:01:58.959 other group activities? 37 00:02:00.799 --> 00:02:05.840 There's just uh, you know, work activities and old personal 38 00:02:05.879 --> 00:02:09.039 hobbies that I like to do with a golf group 39 00:02:09.120 --> 00:02:12.919 or a tennis group, or just even a project hobby 40 00:02:12.960 --> 00:02:16.039 with some friends and their kids, making little burthouses or 41 00:02:16.080 --> 00:02:17.159 something on the weekend. It just. 42 00:02:18.840 --> 00:02:21.360 Like working with your hands, apparently. But why do you 43 00:02:21.360 --> 00:02:23.280 think it's different when you're in a church. 44 00:02:26.240 --> 00:02:29.879 Maybe because I see a lot, I hear all the 45 00:02:29.919 --> 00:02:31.520 great ways of life, but I don't see it. 46 00:02:32.080 --> 00:02:35.960 Okay, Well, think of it this way. 47 00:02:36.080 --> 00:02:39.199 If you're in a garage and they're going to talk 48 00:02:39.240 --> 00:02:41.240 about all the you know, great types of cars, and 49 00:02:41.280 --> 00:02:44.199 how wonderful cars are everything, But every car in that 50 00:02:44.319 --> 00:02:48.319 garage is being worked, so you're not going to see 51 00:02:48.360 --> 00:02:50.000 the cars really souped up. 52 00:02:49.919 --> 00:02:51.319 Necessarily until they leave. 53 00:02:51.520 --> 00:02:53.120 So okay, So. 54 00:02:53.000 --> 00:02:56.599 It's kind of maybe expectations are part of the problem there. 55 00:02:57.520 --> 00:03:00.680 And what what the function of the church is. I 56 00:03:00.680 --> 00:03:04.680 think perception is very important. And when you go in 57 00:03:04.800 --> 00:03:07.680 thinking it's going to be one thing, yeah, it churches 58 00:03:07.960 --> 00:03:11.199 is a turn off many times. Anyways, it just is 59 00:03:11.280 --> 00:03:14.759 it's a really hard concept to swallow when you've got 60 00:03:14.800 --> 00:03:19.360 some imperfect guy or gal standing from the pulpit preaching 61 00:03:19.439 --> 00:03:22.680 or teaching something, and all you can think and all 62 00:03:22.719 --> 00:03:26.479 people do is kind of reflect off of this person 63 00:03:26.520 --> 00:03:29.439 and say, ah, either they've got issues, or this person 64 00:03:29.520 --> 00:03:31.639 next to me has issues and I'm not like that, 65 00:03:31.879 --> 00:03:34.719 or this just seems phonny up here comes the hat again. 66 00:03:34.759 --> 00:03:37.159 Now I gotta throw more money in here, and they're 67 00:03:37.159 --> 00:03:39.400 gonna tell me twenty minutes as to why I need 68 00:03:39.439 --> 00:03:41.360 to put money in here, and all that. I get 69 00:03:41.479 --> 00:03:46.919 that there's a lot of the crust of the experience 70 00:03:47.000 --> 00:03:51.199 that isn't so wonderful. However, you get through that, there's 71 00:03:51.240 --> 00:03:55.560 a lot of things that have that experience that you 72 00:03:55.719 --> 00:03:59.520 blow through to get to the good. Whether it's going 73 00:03:59.520 --> 00:04:02.199 out to eat, whether it's going to an amusement park, 74 00:04:02.360 --> 00:04:05.080 whether I mean you could go ah the parking or 75 00:04:05.319 --> 00:04:08.360 all the lines, whether but you get through it because 76 00:04:09.039 --> 00:04:12.439 there's a benefit or a payoff there, and I would 77 00:04:12.439 --> 00:04:14.360 hate for you to miss the benefit of the payoff 78 00:04:14.479 --> 00:04:19.680 just because of the. 79 00:04:17.399 --> 00:04:19.680 The barnacles of the experience. 80 00:04:19.720 --> 00:04:23.839 I see the benefit of what we're doing with our kid, 81 00:04:24.160 --> 00:04:27.040 and I just want to make sure that there's a 82 00:04:27.079 --> 00:04:31.519 neutral approach to it and from just myself to respect 83 00:04:31.519 --> 00:04:34.240 that because maybe I don't go, or I wouldn't go 84 00:04:34.319 --> 00:04:38.839 every every Sunday, Like now I'm starting to see this 85 00:04:38.959 --> 00:04:42.120 happening versus it never was a part of the relationship 86 00:04:42.399 --> 00:04:44.600 and now maybe so I still want to respect that, 87 00:04:44.639 --> 00:04:46.079 but at the same time, I want to just kind 88 00:04:46.079 --> 00:04:48.399 of keep my individual approach to it on a on 89 00:04:48.480 --> 00:04:50.879 a Sunday afternoon and do something. I just want to 90 00:04:50.879 --> 00:04:54.920 make sure that that's still good and should that be 91 00:04:55.000 --> 00:04:59.199 respected from the religious side too, to see that what 92 00:04:59.279 --> 00:05:03.120 I'm doing has same impact with our child as going 93 00:05:03.120 --> 00:05:07.040 to church every Sunday. Well, there's nothing from the religious 94 00:05:07.040 --> 00:05:07.560 sides of the. 95 00:05:07.560 --> 00:05:10.560 Sure, Yeah, there's all kinds of ways. Don't don't get 96 00:05:10.600 --> 00:05:14.199 stuck into just the building with your pretty windows. That's 97 00:05:14.240 --> 00:05:17.279 not the point. It's not just about that structure. 98 00:05:17.439 --> 00:05:19.279 There. There's more to it. Now. 99 00:05:19.480 --> 00:05:22.439 I don't like hearing the term neutral when it comes 100 00:05:22.480 --> 00:05:25.839 to raising the child. When you have to find neutral 101 00:05:25.879 --> 00:05:28.399 ground in this sense, it. 102 00:05:28.360 --> 00:05:31.279 Really is neutral. 103 00:05:31.399 --> 00:05:34.399 Is is like in a car, since we're on car 104 00:05:34.439 --> 00:05:38.279 analogies for some reason today, it's not You're not going 105 00:05:38.360 --> 00:05:41.399 to move forward or backward really unless the you're on 106 00:05:41.439 --> 00:05:44.759 a hill or something like that. And I don't think 107 00:05:44.800 --> 00:05:47.399 it's fair to the child when you get to a 108 00:05:47.399 --> 00:05:51.199 place where you really are wishy washy on things to 109 00:05:51.279 --> 00:05:53.959 try and make everybody happy. I think you make a decision, 110 00:05:54.560 --> 00:05:57.279 the two of you as parents on how you're going 111 00:05:57.360 --> 00:06:01.439 to raise this kid, and if if you're going to 112 00:06:01.519 --> 00:06:03.240 raise them without God, then rais the without God. If 113 00:06:03.240 --> 00:06:05.160 you're going to raise them with God, raise them with God. 114 00:06:05.199 --> 00:06:07.959 But a kind of neutral, weird kind of I'd rather 115 00:06:08.000 --> 00:06:12.079 be home but building, you know, a birdhouse, than actually 116 00:06:12.160 --> 00:06:18.600 working on his spiritual life or or the life or 117 00:06:18.720 --> 00:06:19.240 the child. 118 00:06:21.519 --> 00:06:27.279 Yes, no, yeah, yeah, you're right. The kid will be 119 00:06:27.680 --> 00:06:29.800 raised with God. And I'm fine with that. I just 120 00:06:29.920 --> 00:06:33.000 would think that on the mandating Christian side that there 121 00:06:33.000 --> 00:06:35.639 would be a respect for maybe just let's go somewhere 122 00:06:35.639 --> 00:06:39.560 for a family for a day and not no breakfast, no, 123 00:06:39.879 --> 00:06:43.600 and race off to a religious group. Maybe we can 124 00:06:43.600 --> 00:06:45.920 have a day of independence with the family with the 125 00:06:45.959 --> 00:06:46.959 same godly meaning. 126 00:06:48.639 --> 00:06:51.199 Yes, it's possible. I hear it in your voice. You 127 00:06:51.240 --> 00:06:53.600 want to do everything you can to stay out of 128 00:06:53.600 --> 00:06:55.240 that church. I understand that. 129 00:06:55.439 --> 00:06:57.199 Well, because I see a church on the beach. I 130 00:06:57.240 --> 00:07:01.040 see a group of fifty guts two people on the beach, 131 00:07:01.279 --> 00:07:04.800 and I think that's a great spiritual way to go 132 00:07:04.879 --> 00:07:05.560 learn about God. 133 00:07:06.480 --> 00:07:10.600 It absolutely can, it absolutely can. But don't fall into 134 00:07:10.600 --> 00:07:14.560 the sphere. No, that's not a You can worship God 135 00:07:14.720 --> 00:07:18.480 any way you see fit. You really can, and there 136 00:07:18.560 --> 00:07:20.920 is a lot of leeway in scripture as to how 137 00:07:20.959 --> 00:07:23.639 you worship, even which day you worship and all of 138 00:07:23.639 --> 00:07:29.120 those things. However, it's like anything else, why are you 139 00:07:29.240 --> 00:07:33.480 doing it? And if you can really ask yourself that 140 00:07:33.560 --> 00:07:37.639 question honestly and answer it honestly, then you'll find you 141 00:07:37.680 --> 00:07:39.160 know as to what you're looking for. If you're just 142 00:07:39.199 --> 00:07:42.160 looking for a church that's like less structured and that 143 00:07:42.240 --> 00:07:44.920 doesn't have a lot of the you know, the stuff 144 00:07:44.920 --> 00:07:47.120 you don't like. Fine, But if you're looking for a 145 00:07:47.199 --> 00:07:50.519 church that you don't participate in, that you don't actually 146 00:07:50.560 --> 00:07:54.920 give money to, that you don't be a part of 147 00:07:54.959 --> 00:07:57.319 in the sense of being part of the community, then 148 00:07:57.360 --> 00:07:59.560 it's not a church. It's a group of people kind 149 00:07:59.560 --> 00:08:02.399 of coming together. Maybe at best it's a Bible study. 150 00:08:02.959 --> 00:08:07.240 And that's a different experience, just like you living on 151 00:08:07.279 --> 00:08:09.560 it in a neighborhood is different than you living in 152 00:08:09.560 --> 00:08:13.160 a house that's next to other houses. If you're not 153 00:08:13.240 --> 00:08:15.720 participating with your neighbors, you're not connecting with them. They 154 00:08:15.759 --> 00:08:17.360 don't know who you are, you don't know who they are. 155 00:08:17.399 --> 00:08:21.839 That's not a neighborhood. It's a house next to other houses. Okay, 156 00:08:21.959 --> 00:08:24.680 So if you if you want to engage. 157 00:08:24.519 --> 00:08:27.160 A very there's a very good family here, and there 158 00:08:27.279 --> 00:08:29.680 is a great neighborhood and it's a great upbringing for 159 00:08:29.720 --> 00:08:31.839 the kid, and we both want the same things for 160 00:08:31.879 --> 00:08:32.200 this kid. 161 00:08:33.320 --> 00:08:34.799 But you understand the analogy. 162 00:08:35.799 --> 00:08:37.240 No, I understand the analogy. 163 00:08:37.399 --> 00:08:39.559 Okay, because if you don't get lost in just a 164 00:08:39.679 --> 00:08:42.559 go somewhere that seems spiritual. Because I find that people 165 00:08:42.600 --> 00:08:46.799 that really want to get away from so called organized religion, 166 00:08:47.480 --> 00:08:50.519 just don't want the accountability. And if that's the case, 167 00:08:51.159 --> 00:08:55.720 then it misses, it brushes past everything of value in 168 00:08:55.759 --> 00:08:56.159 the church. 169 00:08:56.919 --> 00:08:59.320 Well that's where i'm a little bit of because I'm 170 00:08:59.399 --> 00:09:01.919 finding myself maybe making a mistake and then holding myself 171 00:09:01.919 --> 00:09:05.879 accountable for it. But on on the other side of it, 172 00:09:05.919 --> 00:09:08.679 I'm seeing her and she's a many mistakes but not 173 00:09:08.919 --> 00:09:11.759 making that attempt. And I'm just kind of on a 174 00:09:11.879 --> 00:09:13.679 very patient ground right now. 175 00:09:14.840 --> 00:09:16.759 It's tough, isn't it when you not when you don't 176 00:09:16.759 --> 00:09:20.200 see eye to eye spiritually, it's really tough to have 177 00:09:20.200 --> 00:09:23.840 a child. You can ever without a child, everything's peachy keen, 178 00:09:24.200 --> 00:09:26.240 but the minute you put a child into the equation, 179 00:09:26.840 --> 00:09:29.799 it changes everything. And nobody listens to me when I tell. 180 00:09:29.759 --> 00:09:32.799 Them that, no, it's it's a thing. It wasn't It 181 00:09:32.840 --> 00:09:34.639 was never an issue in our relationship. It was very 182 00:09:34.639 --> 00:09:35.360 well respected. 183 00:09:35.519 --> 00:09:39.720 And but now you're gambling with your child. 184 00:09:40.159 --> 00:09:44.000 Yeah, now it's just different, and the religion thing isn't 185 00:09:44.039 --> 00:09:48.080 really so much of the issue. Well it is, but 186 00:09:48.159 --> 00:09:50.840 at the same time, there's the accountability of just being 187 00:09:51.080 --> 00:09:54.320 honest and the friends that we were in the relationship 188 00:09:54.320 --> 00:09:57.679 when we find ourselves in mistake mode, and that's where 189 00:09:57.720 --> 00:09:59.639 I'm just you'll find it. 190 00:09:59.639 --> 00:10:02.120 Well, there's just more at stake right now, Jack, And 191 00:10:02.279 --> 00:10:04.440 in that process, you're gonna everyone's going to be holding 192 00:10:04.440 --> 00:10:06.840 onto their own You're a smart guy, and you're an 193 00:10:06.840 --> 00:10:07.440 honest guy. 194 00:10:07.879 --> 00:10:09.080 You're going to find the right thing. 195 00:10:09.480 --> 00:10:12.000 Just be balanced and be aware of why you're doing 196 00:10:12.000 --> 00:10:13.960 what you're doing and why you're not doing what you 197 00:10:14.000 --> 00:10:16.480 don't want to do, and be honest with yourself first 198 00:10:16.679 --> 00:10:17.559 and then with each other. 199 00:10:23.200 --> 00:10:25.639 Alfonso, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. 200 00:10:26.200 --> 00:10:26.759 Good morning. 201 00:10:27.000 --> 00:10:27.240 Hello. 202 00:10:27.320 --> 00:10:29.039 I just want to start with saying I'm a loyal 203 00:10:29.080 --> 00:10:31.480 listener and I really love your show every weekend. 204 00:10:31.639 --> 00:10:34.360 Oh, thank you so much. I appreciate it absolutely. 205 00:10:34.759 --> 00:10:35.159 Uh. 206 00:10:35.399 --> 00:10:38.039 I've been curious about something and I and I wanted 207 00:10:38.039 --> 00:10:41.559 to call and ask about the significance of the head coverings. 208 00:10:41.720 --> 00:10:47.240 Uh sometimes uh uh you know some religions where the 209 00:10:47.279 --> 00:10:49.720 where the you know, the women cover their heads and 210 00:10:49.759 --> 00:10:52.639 they they they don't and or or some other religions 211 00:10:52.639 --> 00:10:55.559 where they where they were the the Yamica, and and 212 00:10:55.600 --> 00:10:59.559 then in occasions they don't. And and I've seen h 213 00:10:59.600 --> 00:11:02.279 you know, other the bishops on a TV interview he 214 00:11:02.399 --> 00:11:06.879 had a read one on and you know, I just 215 00:11:07.120 --> 00:11:09.159 kind of I was, you know, very curious about that, 216 00:11:09.200 --> 00:11:10.639 and I knew you were the perfect one to call 217 00:11:10.720 --> 00:11:11.639 and ask, well. 218 00:11:11.559 --> 00:11:15.080 I appreciate that the head coverings, and we'll focus on 219 00:11:15.159 --> 00:11:18.440 Christianity just because that's the purpose of the program. But 220 00:11:18.840 --> 00:11:22.440 to broaden it, they all kind of go back to 221 00:11:22.440 --> 00:11:25.279 the same place. It's a sign of respect. It's a 222 00:11:25.320 --> 00:11:29.159 sign of respect and humility before God. So as far 223 00:11:29.279 --> 00:11:31.919 as if you read First Corinthians eleven and you went 224 00:11:31.960 --> 00:11:33.399 through it, I know a lot of people will read 225 00:11:33.399 --> 00:11:35.200 this and go, oh my gosh, that's you know, the 226 00:11:35.240 --> 00:11:37.960 women have to wear head coverings. This is obviously to 227 00:11:38.039 --> 00:11:40.720 make women lesser. No, no, it's actually quite beautiful. And 228 00:11:40.759 --> 00:11:43.919 if you read on, it's not about an equality thing, 229 00:11:43.960 --> 00:11:46.120 but about a structure thing and an importance to show 230 00:11:46.159 --> 00:11:49.200 that there that the people of God. 231 00:11:48.960 --> 00:11:50.639 Were submissive towards God. 232 00:11:51.840 --> 00:11:55.600 And really a lot of things that were done early 233 00:11:55.679 --> 00:12:00.519 on were done to separate our Jewish brothers and sisters, 234 00:12:00.519 --> 00:12:05.559 and therefore early Christians from looking like pagans. The pagan 235 00:12:05.720 --> 00:12:09.919 prostitutes would shave their heads and things like that. So 236 00:12:10.120 --> 00:12:12.960 Christian women early in the early Christian Church would wear 237 00:12:12.960 --> 00:12:16.480 head coverings to separate themselves from looking like the prostitutes. 238 00:12:16.679 --> 00:12:19.879 That's kind of focus on what the base of it is. 239 00:12:19.919 --> 00:12:27.639 Always about respect, always about giving glory to God and humility. Linda, 240 00:12:27.919 --> 00:12:33.120 Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. Hi there, how many 241 00:12:33.120 --> 00:12:33.480 I help you? 242 00:12:34.639 --> 00:12:35.080 Okay? 243 00:12:35.279 --> 00:12:41.919 So basically my question is okay, So basically my question 244 00:12:42.080 --> 00:12:46.320 is I don't understand how you're supposed to. I guess 245 00:12:46.360 --> 00:12:51.039 interpret the Bible or read it basically, like you know, 246 00:12:51.039 --> 00:12:53.399 because I've heard a lot of it has to do 247 00:12:53.480 --> 00:12:56.480 with symbolism, Like a lot of the stories and a 248 00:12:56.519 --> 00:12:59.720 lot of the verses and stuff are symbolized. And basically 249 00:12:59.799 --> 00:13:03.399 my question is, are you supposed to read the Bible 250 00:13:03.480 --> 00:13:05.799 at space value or just to take it at face 251 00:13:05.960 --> 00:13:09.879 value and interpret every single word exactly for what it says, 252 00:13:10.600 --> 00:13:14.000 or are you supposed to symbolize everything? 253 00:13:16.519 --> 00:13:16.799 Well? 254 00:13:16.960 --> 00:13:20.600 No, in the if you made everything a symbol, it 255 00:13:20.639 --> 00:13:26.759 really doesn't mean anything. It takes the weight of the 256 00:13:26.919 --> 00:13:29.320 entirety of the weight out of scripture. I'll tell you 257 00:13:29.480 --> 00:13:32.039 it's quite easy, really, And here's a good trick for 258 00:13:32.080 --> 00:13:35.799 you to use should you want to study scripture. Scripture 259 00:13:35.879 --> 00:13:40.360 is very clear about explaining when something's a dream. It's 260 00:13:40.440 --> 00:13:42.679 very clear when something's a story. Every time that I 261 00:13:42.799 --> 00:13:47.159 tell a story, I start by saying, I'm going to 262 00:13:47.200 --> 00:13:51.759 tell you a story, or here's a parable. If if 263 00:13:51.759 --> 00:13:54.919 that's not being done, then the assumption it would be 264 00:13:55.039 --> 00:14:00.000 correct to assume that it's to be taken literally. Now, 265 00:14:00.120 --> 00:14:03.919 not everything in the Bible is true. It's just true 266 00:14:03.960 --> 00:14:06.679 that it was said and therefore put in the Bible. 267 00:14:07.039 --> 00:14:10.600 So for instance, if the devil himself said there is 268 00:14:10.639 --> 00:14:13.600 no God, but he was saying it on the Mount 269 00:14:13.639 --> 00:14:16.000 of Olives or something in front of people or next 270 00:14:16.120 --> 00:14:20.759 to me, for instance, he's standing next to Christ and 271 00:14:20.799 --> 00:14:24.919 he says it, it might get in scripture, but it 272 00:14:24.960 --> 00:14:29.480 doesn't mean that it's true. So not everything is prescriptive 273 00:14:29.639 --> 00:14:33.759 or prescribed, and it's important to see that. Sometimes scripture 274 00:14:33.840 --> 00:14:38.440 is just describing something that took place, and this took 275 00:14:38.480 --> 00:14:42.879 place and you should know about it, and the verse versus, 276 00:14:43.000 --> 00:14:46.679 like the Ten Commandments are prescriptive saying you should do 277 00:14:46.720 --> 00:14:49.559 these things or you should not do these things, and 278 00:14:49.600 --> 00:14:53.879 that they're two different ways. So there's many important parts 279 00:14:53.919 --> 00:14:59.080 of scripture, and any work of antiquity quite honestly. For instance, 280 00:14:59.080 --> 00:15:03.200 if you looked at Shakespeare, Shakespeare talks about some things 281 00:15:03.200 --> 00:15:05.639 that are true, some things that took place, but it's 282 00:15:05.720 --> 00:15:12.759 all fiction. It's all written as theater, but doesn't mean 283 00:15:12.799 --> 00:15:15.320 he didn't use real characters and things like that. Now, 284 00:15:15.360 --> 00:15:19.279 in scripture, it's a historic account from the eyes of 285 00:15:19.399 --> 00:15:25.720 many of what went on in certain times and then 286 00:15:25.799 --> 00:15:29.639 put together because of the fact that they have similar 287 00:15:29.679 --> 00:15:36.840 content and a similar conclusion and similar purpose. But to 288 00:15:36.919 --> 00:15:41.960 take something literal when Christ himself says and here is 289 00:15:42.000 --> 00:15:45.840 a parable would be silly. But it'd be equally as 290 00:15:45.879 --> 00:15:48.600 silly to make something where he doesn't say, this as 291 00:15:48.639 --> 00:15:52.639 a story and it's not a parable, and to take 292 00:15:52.679 --> 00:15:56.960 that and make it just, well, I'm gonna interpret interpret 293 00:15:57.000 --> 00:15:59.279 it as a story because that's not the way it's said. 294 00:16:00.960 --> 00:16:04.399 So in that in those context, it's important to understand 295 00:16:05.559 --> 00:16:09.919 what is being said and why it's being said, and 296 00:16:09.960 --> 00:16:13.360 what the seating of the discussion is. In scripture, you 297 00:16:13.399 --> 00:16:16.399 read before it, you read after it, and you get 298 00:16:16.440 --> 00:16:19.799 a feel for it. And in doing that, I think 299 00:16:19.840 --> 00:16:22.240 you get a better idea of what scripture is. It's like, 300 00:16:22.840 --> 00:16:27.720 not just should it be interpreted literally or symbolically. That's 301 00:16:27.759 --> 00:16:32.120 not fair. That doesn't make any sense. Not everything in 302 00:16:32.159 --> 00:16:34.960 it is literal, maybe literal that they said it, or 303 00:16:35.039 --> 00:16:40.080 maybe literal that it was written down, but it's it's 304 00:16:40.159 --> 00:16:42.679 not literal when I when I say in scripture it 305 00:16:42.759 --> 00:16:45.399 is easier to get a camel through the eye of 306 00:16:45.440 --> 00:16:49.360 a needle than it is to get a rich man 307 00:16:49.440 --> 00:16:53.919 into heaven. That's absurdity, that's just that's trying to be 308 00:16:54.159 --> 00:16:57.960 that's actually being sarcastic. You can't get a camel through 309 00:16:58.000 --> 00:16:58.720 the eye of a needle. 310 00:16:59.360 --> 00:17:00.240 And there are many. 311 00:17:00.120 --> 00:17:03.440 Who have believed, Oh, well, those are gates at the 312 00:17:03.440 --> 00:17:07.279 front of the city that were very small and when 313 00:17:07.279 --> 00:17:09.480 they shut the big gates later at night, if you 314 00:17:09.519 --> 00:17:11.240 had if you were traveling and had to come in, 315 00:17:11.279 --> 00:17:13.400 you had to come by way these small gates they 316 00:17:13.440 --> 00:17:16.039 called the eye of the needle. None of that has 317 00:17:16.119 --> 00:17:19.559 been confirmed, even though I've seen it in encyclopedia as before, 318 00:17:19.599 --> 00:17:24.759 and they've been wrong. So it really was trying to 319 00:17:24.759 --> 00:17:26.400 fit a camel through the eye of a needle, which 320 00:17:26.440 --> 00:17:29.160 is impossible. Yet you know, it's not impossible to get 321 00:17:29.400 --> 00:17:35.079 a rich person into heaven, So that wasn't being literal. 322 00:17:35.200 --> 00:17:36.440 The illustration was that. 323 00:17:36.599 --> 00:17:41.039 It's it's quite difficult because people end up worshiping money 324 00:17:42.279 --> 00:17:44.799 and end up focusing on that and losing sight of 325 00:17:44.839 --> 00:17:48.759 the things that are important and real in their lives. 326 00:17:49.920 --> 00:17:55.720 So scripture, yes, and many parts should be taken literally. 327 00:17:56.240 --> 00:17:59.680 When it says thou shalt not murder, it means thou 328 00:17:59.720 --> 00:18:01.880 shold I'll not take the life of the innocent. 329 00:18:04.279 --> 00:18:04.720 Period. 330 00:18:06.799 --> 00:18:12.359 It's not a story or anything like that, thankfully, because 331 00:18:12.400 --> 00:18:16.720 those Ten Commandments were pretty much built into the very 332 00:18:16.799 --> 00:18:23.920 laws that you enjoy in these United States. So having 333 00:18:23.960 --> 00:18:26.680 an understanding of those things and knowing when it's different 334 00:18:26.839 --> 00:18:30.319 in scripture is important when it's just describing something. It's 335 00:18:30.440 --> 00:18:34.039 important to know that when it's prescribing something you should 336 00:18:34.079 --> 00:18:36.720 do this or you should not do that. That's important, 337 00:18:37.839 --> 00:18:42.400 and know where it falls into context and what is 338 00:18:42.440 --> 00:18:45.559 trying to be said. But absolutely it is in there, 339 00:18:45.799 --> 00:18:49.799 and there's no reason to take it and entirely symbolically 340 00:18:49.839 --> 00:18:52.480 because that doesn't make sense either. And there's also times 341 00:18:52.480 --> 00:18:55.240 that I confirm things that I would talk about them too, 342 00:18:55.400 --> 00:18:59.200 not saying, hey, you remember that story, but go into 343 00:18:59.240 --> 00:19:03.559 it as if it was history that was taught, whether 344 00:19:03.559 --> 00:19:05.799 it be Adam and Eve or things like that, and 345 00:19:05.839 --> 00:19:17.680 they get they got prominence as well. Sharon, Welcome to 346 00:19:17.640 --> 00:19:18.559 the Jesus Christ Show. 347 00:19:19.599 --> 00:19:20.000 Thank you. 348 00:19:20.839 --> 00:19:21.559 How can I help you? 349 00:19:25.799 --> 00:19:29.400 My neighbor and I were having a discussion. My husband 350 00:19:29.480 --> 00:19:33.599 died forty four years ago. Her husband died four years ago. Yes, 351 00:19:33.759 --> 00:19:36.480 we both were holding their hands. One day. 352 00:19:38.519 --> 00:19:39.480 Left us. 353 00:19:40.680 --> 00:19:44.720 I watched my husband for seven hours while watched his eyes, 354 00:19:44.880 --> 00:19:52.759 I watched his mouth, everything to see if I because 355 00:19:52.759 --> 00:19:57.400 I knew he was leaving and I wanted to see 356 00:19:57.559 --> 00:20:04.279 if there was something different going to happen. It didn't. 357 00:20:05.960 --> 00:20:11.799 So neither one of us and probably millions more would 358 00:20:11.920 --> 00:20:17.680 like to know when when the life goes out of 359 00:20:17.720 --> 00:20:25.160 the person, does their soul go to heaven? And when 360 00:20:25.480 --> 00:20:30.519 the Bible says that at the end God will raise 361 00:20:30.640 --> 00:20:41.720 everyone up if their souls are already in heaven, does 362 00:20:41.799 --> 00:20:45.319 that mean He's going to raise their their bodies out 363 00:20:45.359 --> 00:20:46.039 of those. 364 00:20:48.680 --> 00:20:50.240 Out of that coffin. 365 00:20:51.359 --> 00:20:54.799 Well, there's I would like to focus on on the 366 00:20:55.720 --> 00:20:58.279 heaven part, because it's most important to somebody who has 367 00:20:58.359 --> 00:21:02.599 passed and put and point towards some of those things. 368 00:21:03.319 --> 00:21:06.599 But there's no need for the body as a vessel. 369 00:21:06.720 --> 00:21:10.759 It's ashes, dashes, dust, to dust. That's a carrier. 370 00:21:11.640 --> 00:21:15.319 And so the focus should be on what scripture says 371 00:21:15.359 --> 00:21:22.440 about the passing of someone. And in Hebrews Hebrews, chapter nine, 372 00:21:23.000 --> 00:21:27.519 verse twenty seven, it says, and inasmuch as it is 373 00:21:27.559 --> 00:21:34.160 appointed for man to die once and after this comes judgment, 374 00:21:36.200 --> 00:21:37.240 very very simple. 375 00:21:37.440 --> 00:21:37.640 Well. 376 00:21:37.720 --> 00:21:41.920 Second Corinthians five eight also says to be absent from 377 00:21:41.920 --> 00:21:46.119 the body is to be present with the Lord. So yes, 378 00:21:46.559 --> 00:21:52.400 to the god fearing person, to the believer, there with God. 379 00:21:52.799 --> 00:21:55.000 They immediately go with God. 380 00:21:57.319 --> 00:22:02.160 That's good, Yeah, I would think so I would tend 381 00:22:02.200 --> 00:22:02.920 to agree. 382 00:22:04.440 --> 00:22:05.000 That's good. 383 00:22:05.680 --> 00:22:06.799 Sounds like a great yeah. 384 00:22:06.960 --> 00:22:11.720 No need to stop, no need to get Anderson's pea soup, 385 00:22:11.880 --> 00:22:15.720 no need to go on a long drive anywhere, get gas, 386 00:22:16.279 --> 00:22:16.960 get snacks. 387 00:22:17.079 --> 00:22:17.359 Nothing. 388 00:22:19.599 --> 00:22:22.440 And I want to know my husband's and I mean 389 00:22:22.839 --> 00:22:26.039 his soul is him? 390 00:22:26.400 --> 00:22:30.920 Oh absolutely, and he is with God's. 391 00:22:33.160 --> 00:22:34.440 That's all I care about. 392 00:22:34.960 --> 00:22:38.039 What a beautiful statement. In Second Corinthians five eight, to 393 00:22:38.160 --> 00:22:41.799 be absent from the body is to be present with 394 00:22:41.880 --> 00:22:42.279 the Lord. 395 00:22:43.640 --> 00:22:46.440 Okay, you've answer my question. 396 00:22:47.039 --> 00:22:49.640 Excellent, Well then you go in peace. You are very 397 00:22:49.720 --> 00:22:53.759 very welcome. And that gets confusing and scary. 398 00:22:53.960 --> 00:22:58.440 And the concept as to what's going on, and a 399 00:22:58.480 --> 00:23:02.799 lot of it gets kind of complicated theological, and that's 400 00:23:02.799 --> 00:23:05.519 of interest to some, but some people just need that 401 00:23:06.240 --> 00:23:09.799