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Speaker 1: Hi, this is Christina and Carmen. And this is another

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episode of a Spooky Towns, a podcast for all things

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as spooky true crime Latin America. And oh, I was like,

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you're like getting worse at these intros. I don't know what.

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I didn't think that was that bad. Maybe it's just

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me right now, I don't know. I think you has

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been a bitch right now. Just because I told you

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to hurry up doesn't mean I'm being a bitch. You're right,

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it was not your best intro. Okay, you're right, you're right.

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Let me redo it. No, make you more upset. Your

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eye shadow looks cute. Thanks. I wanted to be on

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theme for Christmas. I love it. What does your Christmas

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water say? It says the struggle is real? And then

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it has Santa like that's you right now. He's like

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stuck and the fireplace. Yeah, I'm stuck in the metaphoric

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fireplace of hell. You are? Yeah? Mine is just Darth Vader. Nice. Yeah, Okay,

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well today we have some cryptids yeah, and some that

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we've never heard of. When I thought we had them all,

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I'm like, of course we didn't. There's always more, of

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course not. Yeah, yeah, and I have a very infuriating

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depressent case. Ohn. Yeah. But first before all that, we

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have a listeners story and if you want to send

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We love receiving your story, so please send them in.

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All right, are you ready to read this one? Yeah?

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So this is from the discord from alo Vera. I

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was around seven years old. I don't remember much of

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my childhood, but this is one of my most vivid memories.

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I was having a sleepover at my cousin's house, nothing

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new at that time. My aunt helped my mom a

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lot with babysitting and whatnot. The apartment complex they lived

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in at the time is owned by my grandpa, so

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I've always had family live in it and would spend

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a lot of time there as a kid. I remember

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going asleep one night and woke up sometime in the

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middle of the night, and it was that kind of

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state where you're half asleep, half awake. I started seeing

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it will look like black smoke coming out of the closet.

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I thought that was weird, so I blinked, and after

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it quickly started moving towards me. That's when I rubbed

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my eyes, and when I opened them, the black smoke

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had turned into the shape of a little girl. Oh no,

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for a second, she stood in front of the closet

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entrance and then started moving her way towards me. I

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didn't see her feet moving. Instead, I saw her floating.

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Her apparition was also glitching or moving in slow motion.

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I remember it all felt very slow. When she got

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close enough to me, a wave of fear overcame me

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and I shut my eyes to avoid seeing her up close.

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When I opened my eyes, she was gone. Years later,

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another aunt moved in there. She's been there for fifteen

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years now and has shared many paranormal experiences with us.

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Apparently a little girl haunts the apartment and is frequently

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heard and seen. Knowing this since shows down my spine.

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But at least I know I wasn't crazy when I

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saw her. That is so creepy, But also, yeah, that's

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like validation that you weren't crazy. You did see a

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little girl. Like, it's not just you, it's the whole family. Also,

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tell your aunt to send us her stories. Yeah please,

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wow that Yeah, that's that was creepy. Thank you so

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much for setting that in. Do you want to start? Yeah,

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let's get into these cryptids. So first up, we have

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a dire dan deo. Soo was first spotted in nineteen

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eighty one by an indigenous hunter named Ditson Sosa, who

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belonged to the Beemon tribe native to Venezuela. Theo is

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described as a cryptid cat with long things, maroon fur,

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large claws, and said to look like an extinct sabertooth tiger.

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The cryptid is known to be timid and mostly survives

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off eating danta, which is why the locals named it

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El Dio. It's like an ant eater. It says to pyrus,

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to pirris, to pirrus. Yeah, that's what it says. According

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to Sosa, he spotted the cryptid during the dry season

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in nineteen ninety one while on a three day hunting

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trip up the Carau River in Venezuela. Sos That claims

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the large cat was long thinged. The short tailed, unpatterned

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cat the size of a jaguar and emerged from a

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thicket to drink from a pool of water. The animal

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appeared stealthily and vanished cautiously. People who Sosa spoke to

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about his sighting were intrigued by what he saw and

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were determined to figure out what he saw. So one

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individual showed Sosa a photo of a samelodon, which is

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a sabertooth tiger, which Sosa said look like the animal

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he saw, which is impossible since that species of a

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tiger is extinct and last from the Earth about ten

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thousand years ago. Another sighting also happened just before nineteen

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ninety six, but it's unclear if it was an Ecuador

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or Columbia. The person who spotted the large cat like

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cryptid was a French traveler named Piquet. I feel like

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it's probably pronounced different, but I don't know Piquette, Piquet, Piquet.

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It's spelled p i c q u e t cut

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piquet anyway, Piquette who told? Peter? Who told? Peter Mathison,

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an American novelist, wilderness writer, and one time CIA agent.

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He told Peter that he spotted a large cat with

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large things and roaming the wilderness for a minute. Peter

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believed that perhaps Piquett might have spotted a prehistoric animal

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that has been instinct for several years, but then came

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to the conclusion that Piquett most likely confused a large

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creature with another animal. Cryptozoologists Gustavo Sanchez Rometo also heard

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similar stories from locals when he visited Venezuela's Kanaima National Park.

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Ometo passed on what he heard to fame the British

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zoologists and cryptozologist Carl Schucker, who was wary about believing

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the story he was told since he also knew that

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cybertooth tigers have long been extinct. According to Sugar, the

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only or chikar I don't know, remember what I said

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last time? Anyway, According to the Sky, the only way

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this type of animal could survive in South America is

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if perhaps it was a smaller version of the prehistoric

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animal that might be living in the remote mountains and

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cloudy areas of South America where they can come camouflage

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with its surroundings, which might be possible. In twenty seventeen,

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a resident of Madre de Diosperu named David Anahill told

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explorer Bill Gibbons that a large brown sabertooth cat was

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known to exist in the northern and central forests. You know,

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this could be encrypted, or this could be a scentant

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of a long time extinct sabertooth tiger. So yeah, and

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there's so much that we don't know. Yeah, like one

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hundred percent could be uh, I mean how many stories

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are there of like indigenous people seeing don't know what

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is it called? Like for some indigenous groups in like

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the North America region have stories like oral traditional stories

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that they have passed on of living with some not

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like you know, the dinosaurs dinosaurs, but some sort of dinosaur.

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And for the longest time, scientists were like, that's not possible.

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Humans and dinosaurs did not co exist. And then like

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two ish years ago, there was evidence that there was

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some indigenous groups that did coexist with some some sort

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of dinosaurs. Basically, oh really, yeah, wow, I never heard

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that new piece of science. Yeah. I came across it

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on TikTok Oh And it's real because I remember seeing

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indigenous creators were like, see, our people have said these

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stories forever, and now here's this scientific, scientific study that

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says this. So it's like, it's not that far fetched

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to me that there's a distant relative of a savor toooth. Yep,

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there and people are seeing it, but they don't know

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what they're seeing. So like this the cryptid interesting. Interesting.

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So our next cryptid is uku Mad. Have you heard

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of it? No? Okay? So eluku Mad is a giant

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humanoid cryptid known for terrorizing northern Argentina and Chile terrorist okay.

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The locals have nicknamed the cryptid uku Mad after its

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howls that allegedly sound like the creature is screaming. Ooh,

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I don't know, okay, I don't know how to say it.

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Please ooh ooh ooh, I don't know. Maybe it's uh

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uho okay or ooh ooh ooh ooh. Sorry sorry people, Yeah,

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we're sorry. The bear like humanoid has been described as

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being around five feet seven inches tall. Okay, short king,

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that's to everyone else that's short, but yeah okay. So yeah,

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the uku Mad is like five feet seven inches tall

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with thick hair, small eyes. Okay, I was like, wow,

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thick care okay, as I say, thick hair, big little

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beady eyes. Okay, No, I don't like it anymore. Yeah, No,

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huge arms and legs and it's a local plant known

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as bayo to survive okay vegetarian. The ucu mad was

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first sighted in nineteen fifty eight by a group of

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campers in it Angle, Chile. Actually I don't know if

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it's it Angkole or dangle, but there it was there, Chile.

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The campers told authorities that they saw would look like

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a half man, half ape in the wilderness. Surprisingly, the

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authorities took the report seriously and sent police to investigate

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the area. One why You witness named Carlos Manuel Soto

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told police that he had seen a large man covered

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in hair well in the Cordilleras. Prior to this iowaness account,

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geologists found seventeen inch long human like footprints on the

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Argentine side of the Andes and in Las Alta, Argentina,

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in both nineteen fifty six in nineteen fifty seven, So

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seventeen inch human like footprints. That's like obviously over a

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foot well yeah foot, yeah, yeah, pretty big, pretty big.

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After the findings, Dolor Grande locals began to tell newspaper

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reporters that eerie sounds could be heard from the Kuruguru

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Mountains on a nightly basis. These noises caused many sleepless

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nights for many residents who believe the sounds were coming

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from the Ukumar. In twenty twenty two, the Argentine newspaper

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A Tribuno Salta conducted an interview with a Ba Kiano,

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who lives and works the land in El gardin Argentina,

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which is a rural area in the province of Santa

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and here's told reporters. I heard something walking closer towards me,

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and then from the corner of my eye, I saw

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a dark figure step out from behind the bushes. When

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I turned around to stare at it, it was only

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five meters away from me, and well, to be honest,

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I didn't know what to do. All I did was

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step behind a tree and point my weapon at it.

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I was trying to decide if I should shoot or not,

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so I stood there with my weapon pointing at it

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for a little while, when suddenly the creature started to

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retreat at the very moment that I had my weapon

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pointed at it. I was not scared, but after the

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interaction I was a bit shaken up and felt like

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something continued to follow me. I couldn't get the creature's

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image out of my mind. So I turned back again

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and there it was, but this time about fifty meters away.

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I didn't want to risk interacting with it, so I

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kept walking. It looked like a large animal, and it

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looked similar to a monkey, but at the same time

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it also looked like a human. It also had a

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lot of black fur, and it had colored eyes. Some

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people love that, yeah, shockingly, Damos claims he saw the

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creature three more times after that. Oh my god, it

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was It liked him, yeah, I guess, so he wanted

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to be seen by him well. And he also claimed

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to see the female version of the creatures. So he

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saw two of them. Oh there's more than one. I

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thought it okay, there's a boy and a girl, and

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then they fell in love. According to Ramost, the female

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Gumar looked a bit similar dinner and had lighter colored fur.

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Damo said he and a few others also went in

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search of the creatures a few years later after the

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initial sighting, and came across what looked like the creatures

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home hidden in caves in the mountains. He was never

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aggressive towards me, but I heard from other locals that

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at times he has been aggressive towards them. One time,

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I was fishing with a friend when we saw what

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looked like a dog sitting on a rock and that

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we were approaching by the water. As we got closer

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to it and instead began to look like a lion

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or a bear to me. Then all of a sudden,

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it stood up and I realized it was the ukuma.

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I warned my friend so he could be cautious, but

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he got startled and scared the creature off, who ran

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up the hill. We thought the coast was clear, but

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then the creature threw a big rock at my friend

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from the top of the mountain. It moved really fast.

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I was not expecting that, and then almost also said,

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I'm convinced the creature only bothers those who bother it.

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But if you leave it alone, it'll leave you alone.

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That sounds right. I was gonna before you said it

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through the rock, I was gonna say, see, it's more

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scared of us than we are of it. And then

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it threw the rock, and I was like, never mind,

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but the friend startled it so kind of the friends

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started it. True. True, you're right, You're right. When asked

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if he's open to seeing the creature again, Ramos told

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a reporter that, unlike other times, he would like to

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bring a camera with him next time he goes looking

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for the Yukumaar so he could stamp a picture of

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it and prove to everyone that it's real. And somehow

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that camera is just going to fail. Oh yeah, but yeah,

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that's it. That's the Oh my god. I don't say

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the cryptids like crap, the crap like damn at least

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like what you're reading. I am, what's going on? Those

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are the cryptids from today. I just can't talk, apparently,

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I guess when I'm really tired, I can't talk. Yeah. Yeah,

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I'm more inclined to believe the first one than the kuman. Yeah.

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Sometimes it's people looking things are like some sort of

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monkey that we just don't know, like some sort of primate,

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you know. Yeah, I guess it could be. But honestly,

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I believe anything, So I believe in both of them.

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I don't want to run into them, that's for sure. Same. Okay, Well,

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we'll take a quick ad break here and then when

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we come back, we'll get into my depressing house case

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and we're back again. My case is infuriating and it

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does involve well, we'll just get into it. We'll just

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get Is there any mornings you want to give people? Well,

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someone's murdered. I'm sorry, but nothing more than that. I

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don't think just murder today, yeah, just murder. But it

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does involve the murder of an undocumented person by a citizen.

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I hate crime. Yeah, no, I'm just getting everything now.

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Wow wow wow wow, yeah all right, so man. Yes.

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On November eighth, two thousand and eight, two world clash,

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a group of white teens from an all American town,

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all American high school, all flag star football members or

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teams whatever, team players, that's the word. I'm looking for,

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football players, red flag, all American town, red flag. It's

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it's in Texas. No, actually, okay, okay, yeah right, that's

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the last thing we needed for the trifecta. These teens

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attack two undocumented men today. I'm Karina murder of Marcelo Lucero.

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Have you heard of this? I don't think so. I

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was shocked. Let me share how I came across this.

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First One night, I just couldn't sleep, and sometimes I

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start looking for whatever is available on Libby to start reading,

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and then I know I'm not going to find directed.

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Oh I do finish, yeah, but yeah, that's how I

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came across this book and how I learned about this kids,

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because I had no idea how this happened. So Marcello

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was born in Guaalaceo, a small town in Ecuador, and

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like so many others, he left to support his family.

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His father died when he was eight, and he became

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the main breadwinner of the family in right around middle school.

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That is so young, so young, yeah, and a very

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common story. This led him to leave his hometown at

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the age of twenty one to try and help his

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family more by heading to the USA. So Marcello left

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home on November two, nineteen ninety three, around eight am

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with one thousand dollars in his back pocket and two

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sets of clothing and a small backpack. That's what he

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took with him. His sisters and brothers all lined up

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to hug him goodbye. When he got to his mom

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to hug her goodbye, he lowered his head so she

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could give him mund On a blessing, and at first

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she didn't want him to go because that was her

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oldest boy. It was like they were literally attached at

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the hip. He would follow her all over the house,

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like when she was doing chores. He was literally like

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just right behind her, also doing chores actually, but just

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always with his mom. And so he had actually tried

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to make the trip once before, and he asked his

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mom for help to ask around if anyone would let

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him borrow money so he can save up the to leave,

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and she was like, no, no one's helping you, but

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that's because she didn't want him to leave. She didn't

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even ask anyone. But the second time, they really needed it,

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like they needed the money, and so his sister talked

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to his mom to help her convince her that he

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needed to go to the US. It's something that he

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wanted to do to help them. When he was leaving,

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everyone and including him, everyone was crying, Yeah, such a

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sad thing, Like I can't Yeah, it's not obviously not

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the same feeling, but I feel like whenever I leave Mexico,

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I am so sad to leave everyone. Yeah, and just

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imagine that meaning like ten times more like yeah, yeah, no,

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I was gonna say the same thing. So, after a

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very long journey, he arrived in the town of patchog

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Long Island, and so many have migrated from Gua Lasao

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to Patchog. That Gua Laso is now known as Little Patchog.

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Really that's interesting. It's so interesting to see where people

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from what towns, where they in what countries? Yeah, where

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they end up. A lot of Ecuadorians end up in

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the east coast, uh and that town specifically, it was

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like I forget of the like it was like a

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number of that year that I from the book, but

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it was like of these five thousand people that migrated,

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like four thousand ended up in Patchog, Like it was

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that specific that everybody just goes there, which is it

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was just wild. Yeah to see that. Then, yeah, he

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went there too. So he worked different low paying jobs

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over the years. Most of that money he did send

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back home because all of this was to help them.

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And so thanks to his money, his family was able

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to buy some land and build a three story house.

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And like in his childhood there were nice he had

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to go hungry because they had no food. Wow, they

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were so poor, and now they had a three story

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house like because of him. Amazing. Yeah, his mom, his sister,

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and nephew all lived there and he was so excited

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and to be able to do this for them. He

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had been working for so long and at age thirty seven,

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he was tired. He now wanted to go back home

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be more present in his nephew's life. He had just

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told his brother Rosselo that it was time for him

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to go back to their hometown, and Hosselo even said

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he would take them to their airport. He was planning

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on leaving just before Christmas as a present for his mom,

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like he was the Christmas present, and it's like that

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would have been beautiful, but unfortunately he never got to leave.

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He didn't get to No, I hate this world. Cry,

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I'm probably gonna cry. That's a point immigration starts, of

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people never getting to go back home. It's something that

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just like hugely affects both of us. Yeah yeah, yeah,

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so there might we might cry and I don't care,

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but yeah, Hoselo never got to give his brother that

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ride to the airport because, uh, November eight doesn't eight.

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Marcelo called his friend and Helocha, who side note had

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was also from Wassaleo and grew up with Marcelo. They

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knew each other since they were five, so he called

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him to go out that night and and Hell at

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first was like, I don't feel like it. But Marcelo

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signed lonely and like he anxious, he needed to be

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with someone and so and he agreed. And like I said,

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they were friends from childhood, they their moms were friends,

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and so he could tell his friend needed him that day.

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In the book it goes more into detail on their

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lives back in Ecuador and all that, but he could tell, yeah,

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that Marcello needed him. So the Para friends went to dinner.

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They had a few beers, they smoked, some wheed together,

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and then they parted ways. It was getting late and

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they knew it was dangerous for Latino men to be

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out past a certain time because during this time like

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a fun downtown is that they call them. So pretty

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much like very similar because from this year there was

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a spike of hate crimes on Latinos. Remind me of

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what year this is. It's a late ninety two thousand

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and eight, dude, that's like kind of recent, Like yeah,

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it's not high school during that time, Like yeah for

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it to be like I knew it was recent, but

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my mind, I hear that, my mind go to like

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the fifties, right, that's wild, Like it's not well, it's

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obviously it happens, but like it's just it's just I

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can't comprehend it. I guess because I because we grew

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up in Oakland, right and right, you know, it's such

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a diverse city. I guess you could say. I mean,

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like we said, didn't feel othered until I came to Modesto,

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and even then it's a very Mexican Yeah, yeah, but yeah,

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it's it's just odd to me. But yeah, they're having

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a spike in hate crimes towards Latinos, which a lot

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of a lot of it went unreported because they feared

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reporting it because of their undocumented status. What's going on

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around this time? It was youre like a like a spike,

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oh immigrant minutemen the oh right, I'm sorry again, I

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thought this was in the late nineties. We're talking this

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time period of anti immigration rhetoric rising. You're right, You're right.

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In my mind again, I was like in the nineties,

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but it was two thousand and eight, yeah, all to well,

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and certain someone from Arizona was making the rounds on

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the news during this time. Yeah. And also at the

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same time, people were more and more migrants were leaving

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the cities where they all you know, usually lived the

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big cities and heading towards these little towns like Patchog

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and so there was suddenly an increase in immigrants. And

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so then all these white people were like afraid because

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oh my god, look at these to them as Mexicans.

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Yeah yeah, And so there had been a bunch of

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attacks on Latino men and the surrounding small towns and

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that town. But more they they thought it happened more

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in like this bigger town that was next to them.

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So they were like aware, but they hadn't personally seen it.

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But and Hill was like, you know what, we shouldn't

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be out this late. What tech did you say or

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do do you not say? This is around? Say then yeah,

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we gotta go. And so they were walking to friend's

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house when they saw seventeens walking toward them. Seventeens yes, seven,

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I'm sorry because it sounds like seventeenagers right myself. Okay,

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that's why I said teenagers. Now, see adolescentis yes, seven

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youth seven street youth youths. Yeah. Yeah. So they were

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walking toward them and they looked like trouble right away,

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like they were up to no good. And next thing

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they knew Ankhela and Marcello were surrounded by these teens.

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They didn't know at the time, but these teens were

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Anthony Hartfold, Jordan Dash, Christopher Olverton, Nicholas Hajsh, Kevin Shea,

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Jeffrey Conroy, and Jose Pacheco. Jose, I hope you're in

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hell right now. No, because what are you doing there? Jose?

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He was a half Puerto Rican half black. Oh my god,

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I cannot. The rest of them are white. So all

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of them star athletes from the local high school. On paper,

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seemingly good, all American teens, right again, red flag, oh

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to me and you. Yeah. So three of the teens

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began to yell insults at Ankel and Marcello. They yelled

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things like fucking Mexicans, beanners, fucking illegals, you come to

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this country to take our money. You get out of

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this country. They're not even Mexican, but to them, they

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don't care. I know, Oh my god. And first of all,

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it's like take over, Like, bitch, you're seventeen, you don't work,

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you don't contribute to this. You're not supporting a family

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like they are, Like what are you doing? You play football? Yeah,

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you're just repeating that hateful rhetoric that you hear from

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the horrible adults in your life who are all pieces

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of shit, and they're raising little pieces of shits. Yeah,

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not to mention like you and I know this, but

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like there's some countless studies that have proven that immigrants

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are good for the economy. Yes, and even if they weren't,

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like stopping into the fucking hater no, even if though

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they are, Yeah, but but there are. But so yeah,

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they were yelling things like that, Marcello and I hell

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yelled back, and Marcello took off his jacket like he

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was getting ready to fight. That's when one of the teens,

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Kevin Shaya, punched him and then they all started to swing.

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After that, I kid was able to escape because their

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plan was not to fight back. They were like, let's

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just run, but Marcello was like, no, I'm fighting. He's

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sending it for himself. But just like hindsight, like but

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he don't know, he didn't expect no, you know, of

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course did on he'll expect to be none of them.

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But yeah, so I had like an heel, played a

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lot of basketball back in their little hometown of Guileo,

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and so he did this insanely high jump to get

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away from them. Wow, and like he like jumped, tucked

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and roll and hid behind like a house and he

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kept yelling for marcel to follow. But even if Marcello wanted,

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at that point he was surrounded, he couldn't get away. God.

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And you know if ann Hill would have stepped back

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in to defend or try to help, he would have

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been killed too. Yeah yeah, God, I just already have chisen.

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I'm already like so sad. Yeah. Yeah. Marcello was on

466
00:27:08,279 --> 00:27:10,960
the floor and the teens were all kicking him. Marcello

467
00:27:11,079 --> 00:27:13,319
tried to fight back, even on the floor, like he

468
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,400
was like trying, Like this is so likeable, you know

469
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,359
what I mean, Like I remember, I feel like I know,

470
00:27:19,599 --> 00:27:23,039
like jumping and stuff like that occurs obviously like everywhere,

471
00:27:23,279 --> 00:27:25,799
but I feel like one of the things that like

472
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,279
and even when our dad like told us and taught

473
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,039
us about fighting, right and like something I don't know

474
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,400
like I feel and Okay, also like in Friday, right

475
00:27:34,559 --> 00:27:37,440
when I feel like you don't know where I'm going

476
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,079
with this and I don't know where you're going with this,

477
00:27:40,319 --> 00:27:44,200
And in Friday when Ice Tube is about to shoot,

478
00:27:44,319 --> 00:27:46,400
what's his name, you know, the big tall guy, the

479
00:27:46,559 --> 00:27:49,240
villain of the movie got his name. Yes, yeah, and

480
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,720
then yeah, I think so it sounds right. And then

481
00:27:52,839 --> 00:27:55,440
his dad as keep his dad is like no, like

482
00:27:55,559 --> 00:27:58,799
the gun is for cowards, like fight like a man,

483
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,799
like fight right, and like the same thing like our

484
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,640
dad told us, like like about fighting fair. And it's

485
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:09,680
like this code I guess of the street that people

486
00:28:09,839 --> 00:28:13,039
used to follow somewhat I don't know. Yeah, it was

487
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,599
to fight fair, yeah, fight fair. And in what Marcello

488
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:22,039
was trying, he was following that, yes, yeah, that code. Yeah,

489
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:29,200
but the Seventh Street youths hooligan, these wild hooligans who

490
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,000
have no respect for people, who are hateful and discussing

491
00:28:32,519 --> 00:28:35,920
little ships and I don't know, are from the bourb

492
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:43,920
some brutal, fucking hicktown sorry not sorry, and have no loyalty,

493
00:28:44,079 --> 00:28:47,680
no respect and no code. They didn't follow that, you

494
00:28:47,759 --> 00:28:49,960
know what I mean, And they say that weird, you know,

495
00:28:50,119 --> 00:28:53,720
the brown people are the savages, like no, yeah, oh yeah, okay,

496
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:55,279
I was wondering where you were going with that. But

497
00:28:55,359 --> 00:28:59,559
now that that's there, yeah, it makes sense. Yeah. So yeah,

498
00:29:00,359 --> 00:29:02,200
this whole time he's trying to fight back at some

499
00:29:02,279 --> 00:29:05,039
point the teams back away from him. Marcello was able

500
00:29:05,079 --> 00:29:06,759
to stand up and he took off his belt and

501
00:29:06,799 --> 00:29:08,799
started swing it to try and defend himself with his

502
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,359
belt buckle, like trying to just keep them away. And

503
00:29:12,079 --> 00:29:15,400
when he did this, Kevin Shaya, one of the teens,

504
00:29:15,519 --> 00:29:18,160
yelled for the rest of them to surround Marcelo, and

505
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,680
as they were closing in on him, Marcello continued to

506
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,759
swing his belt to try and get away, and his

507
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,839
belt ended up hitting Jeffrey Conroy. This made Jeffrey Conroy

508
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,640
super mad, and he's like, he pulled out his knife

509
00:29:30,759 --> 00:29:36,160
and all I say, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, no,

510
00:29:37,119 --> 00:29:41,240
Also just like let this man go. You got hit

511
00:29:41,279 --> 00:29:44,359
when you're jumping him exactly. He wouldn't have felt the

512
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,920
need to do that if it wasn't seven against one,

513
00:29:47,119 --> 00:29:50,240
you know what I mean? Yeah, but no, Jeffrey stabbed

514
00:29:50,359 --> 00:29:55,160
Marcello in the between his shoulder and chest is where

515
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,519
he stamped him. And so then after he did that,

516
00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:59,880
Jeffrey yelled like we have to go, we have to leave,

517
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,759
and so they all ran off, leaving Marcello on the

518
00:30:02,839 --> 00:30:06,480
floor and Hell was afraid that their attackers would come back.

519
00:30:06,559 --> 00:30:08,359
And he was trying to yell from where he was hiding,

520
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,960
like Marcello, come here, come here, Marcelo, Marcello. Imagine him

521
00:30:12,039 --> 00:30:15,640
witnessing this. Yeah, it's it's terrible. And then it's having

522
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:19,920
the hope that his friends arrived. Yeah. Yeah, he never

523
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:24,839
saw other knife. He could only that's why he had thought. Yeah, yeah,

524
00:30:25,559 --> 00:30:27,720
like oh they're gone now, like come on, come here,

525
00:30:27,839 --> 00:30:32,640
come here. Meanwhile, the teens walked off. They were all

526
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,359
talking to each other like, oh, we'll help you get

527
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,599
rid of the knife to Jeffrey Conroy. Jeffrey Conroy for

528
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,839
amusing refuse, but he did clean it off in a

529
00:30:39,079 --> 00:30:41,359
puddle and put it back in his pocket, probably planning

530
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,799
to further use this on more Latino men, like he

531
00:30:43,839 --> 00:30:48,039
had of violence on his mind. Yeah. Blood. So in

532
00:30:48,119 --> 00:30:52,319
the meantime, back with ang Helen, Marcelo and He'll continued

533
00:30:52,319 --> 00:30:54,200
to call to his friend, and he also hoped someone

534
00:30:54,279 --> 00:30:57,000
had overheard everything and called the police. No one had.

535
00:30:57,279 --> 00:31:00,960
Marcello surprisingly was able to get up. He staggered towards

536
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:05,880
Ankel and that's finally when a saw just his shirt

537
00:31:06,039 --> 00:31:11,000
soaked in blood, and Marcello fell into his arms. And

538
00:31:11,319 --> 00:31:13,279
as he fell he was like, I'm not okay, call

539
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,960
nine one one. That's when Ah had tried to get

540
00:31:16,039 --> 00:31:18,440
his phone to call nine one one, but his phone

541
00:31:18,559 --> 00:31:21,480
was dead. It was he was able to call, and

542
00:31:21,519 --> 00:31:23,519
then it died. They tried calling him back, there was

543
00:31:23,559 --> 00:31:27,599
no answer, so he had to leave Marcello like lay

544
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:29,599
him down and run to the friend's house that they

545
00:31:29,599 --> 00:31:32,720
were heading to, which was right there, luckily, but they

546
00:31:32,759 --> 00:31:35,440
had to leave him there run to tell his friend

547
00:31:35,599 --> 00:31:38,599
to call nine one and he did. They arrived like

548
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,759
eightish minutes later something like that. When the cops arrived,

549
00:31:43,079 --> 00:31:46,720
they took their time helping Marcello. Akeel was begging, like

550
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,160
help him, help him with his broken English, begging them

551
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:54,039
to help, but because they don't care, no TP all day.

552
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,839
I swear to God, like, I yeah, I'm done. I'm

553
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:01,680
really I'm not listening to the rest of this believing. No,

554
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:03,920
you have to. I wrote it all and I'm upset too,

555
00:32:04,079 --> 00:32:08,720
so you have to hear it, Okay, So they the

556
00:32:08,799 --> 00:32:13,720
officers continued to uh interrogate I head about the attackers instead,

557
00:32:14,039 --> 00:32:17,079
and you know, after some a ton of begging on

558
00:32:17,359 --> 00:32:21,279
his part, ridiculous, one officer finally walked to his car

559
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,880
grabbed a rag, but then he just threw it on

560
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,920
Marcello's wound. Dude, what the fuck is wrong with these assholes?

561
00:32:28,839 --> 00:32:31,200
I don't, I don't you know what? I don't know? Wait?

562
00:32:31,279 --> 00:32:34,839
Am I wrong? There is right, a fairly recent Supreme

563
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,200
Court ruling that basically said the cops don't have to

564
00:32:37,279 --> 00:32:42,440
help us. There is right. There is after that woman

565
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:46,240
was being stocked and they didn't reinforce the restraining order,

566
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:50,079
and that's when the ruling came from that case. So literally,

567
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,000
there's no point of calling them because they're not here

568
00:32:53,119 --> 00:32:55,440
to help us. They don't honesty, he I think he

569
00:32:55,559 --> 00:33:01,319
wanted an ambulance. Yeah, yeah, So this officer grabbed a

570
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,480
rack threw it on Marcellos's wound, although a year later

571
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,279
in court, he testified that he applied pressure to the wound,

572
00:33:07,759 --> 00:33:13,440
but I didn't also, Yeah, yeah, I had maintained his

573
00:33:13,559 --> 00:33:16,400
story that they didn't do anything, and I believe him.

574
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:20,000
I believe him too fully. Yeah. Then officers forced on

575
00:33:20,119 --> 00:33:22,559
him to go with them to the station to further

576
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:27,559
interrogate him about he's being treated like a criminal when

577
00:33:27,599 --> 00:33:29,799
he's the victim of a crime. And this is so typical,

578
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,759
so typical. Oh yeah, so when he left, the ambulance

579
00:33:33,799 --> 00:33:38,960
still hadn't arrived. Turns out it took them thirty minutes

580
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:43,039
to get there. Apparently this is a very tiny town.

581
00:33:43,279 --> 00:33:47,839
All the ambulance like force. They're all volunteers except one person.

582
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,240
My god, And because they're all volunteers, like, it's a

583
00:33:51,279 --> 00:33:54,039
little iffy with their certifications and what they can and

584
00:33:54,119 --> 00:33:57,880
can't do. So the ambulance that eventually did arrive was

585
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:03,039
not certified to do any life advance support the point, yeah,

586
00:34:03,119 --> 00:34:05,559
what is the point of even having them? I understand,

587
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:07,920
like he placed to hell limited resources, but no place

588
00:34:08,039 --> 00:34:11,440
should have limited resources like that. No, no, of course not.

589
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,800
The one person that was qualified to do advanced life

590
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:19,360
support had an inactive license. Wow, his license lapsed and

591
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,159
so he had to he wasn't allowed to do anything.

592
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:26,400
So they would have been there for days to transform him. Yeah,

593
00:34:26,599 --> 00:34:30,000
pretty much. Eventually they did get him onto the ambulance,

594
00:34:30,039 --> 00:34:31,480
but they also had to stop and pick up the

595
00:34:31,559 --> 00:34:34,159
only actual person that could do anything because they were licensed.

596
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,119
Oh my god. Would not have been faster to just

597
00:34:37,199 --> 00:34:39,079
go to the hospital, Like how far is it? Like?

598
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:40,800
How far is the hospital? I feel like there's not

599
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,400
even a local hospital hospital was four miles away. It

600
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,400
would have been so much faster. They just got him

601
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:50,079
to the freaking hospital. Wow. They also because of his wound,

602
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,760
they decided that he needed a high, higher level of

603
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,559
care that their hospital would have provided, and they prepared

604
00:34:55,639 --> 00:34:57,920
like this evac by air. But by the time that

605
00:34:58,039 --> 00:35:00,280
they got to the high school where the landings for

606
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:04,480
the helicopter would have been, Marcello was no longer His

607
00:35:04,599 --> 00:35:08,280
heart wasn't beating anymore. And so at that point the

608
00:35:09,119 --> 00:35:11,320
air metavac is going to do. They're not gonna take him.

609
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,920
He needs to have like a pulse. Yeah, I'm so upset.

610
00:35:14,159 --> 00:35:17,360
Maybe if they would have taken not taken as long. Yeah, no,

611
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,360
one hundred percent, Like this is this is not like

612
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,320
a stab wound to the cranium, Like this is a

613
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,719
stab wound too, But there was like so many like

614
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:30,639
missteps intentionally by the cops who could have provided pressure

615
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,639
to the wound. Yeah, and they didn't because they don't

616
00:35:33,639 --> 00:35:36,400
give a buck. And then this this would have been

617
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:40,280
like yeah its people. Yeah, yeah, but this is an injury,

618
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,159
but it's not like it shouldn't have been life threatening.

619
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,800
He could have survived. Yeah, he could have. So because

620
00:35:47,039 --> 00:35:49,280
now that he couldn't be air metovac, they had to

621
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,400
go back to the hospital. Oh my god, just wasting

622
00:35:52,519 --> 00:35:55,519
more time of his So basically it took him over

623
00:35:55,599 --> 00:35:57,239
an hour to get to a hospital that was a

624
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:01,480
mile four miles away. This is like the most stupid

625
00:36:01,519 --> 00:36:05,599
and competition shit I've heard, like in a long time. Yeah.

626
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:07,679
So by the time they were able to get him

627
00:36:07,679 --> 00:36:09,920
into the hospital and all that, it was too late.

628
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,199
He was announced course dead at one on nine am. Yeah,

629
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:17,280
I'm sorry, Like his death is on the hands of

630
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:21,239
course of those seventeenagers, also on the cops and honestly

631
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:25,000
the ambulance people, because they did act incompetently. Like I know,

632
00:36:25,079 --> 00:36:28,119
they're trying their best, but their best is not good enough. Yeah,

633
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,199
And I'm like, okay, one of you could have at

634
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,599
least like applied pressure. You didn't have to. I don't know.

635
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,679
It's just crazy to me. And I mean it's crazy

636
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:37,639
to me because I mean I was a medic and yeah, me,

637
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,079
and this is something that we could have handled as

638
00:36:40,199 --> 00:36:43,440
medics in the army. Yeah, And it's just wild to

639
00:36:43,519 --> 00:36:47,199
me that someone responding to a nine on one call

640
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,440
in an ambulance couldn't have to take care of this, Like, yeah,

641
00:36:50,639 --> 00:36:54,039
I don't understand. So, yeah, he he passed away at

642
00:36:54,039 --> 00:36:56,360
one on nine am. During all this, the teens were

643
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,800
picked up. Not it was very fast. They were picked

644
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:00,840
up like minutes after the police, right because they weren't

645
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:04,119
even far from the location. The description. Also, I don't

646
00:37:04,159 --> 00:37:05,920
understand why. And he even needed to go to the

647
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:10,039
police station because they needs right away off the description No,

648
00:37:10,559 --> 00:37:12,960
yeah too, just because they were treating him like a

649
00:37:13,559 --> 00:37:15,880
like a criminal. Yeah, And they walked up to the

650
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:17,440
teens all nice and they're like, what are you guys

651
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:22,400
doing now? So Donald's households. Jeffrey Conroy, the one who

652
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,760
stabbed at Marcello, walked up to one of the cops

653
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:30,199
and he told him I stabbed that Mexican. Again, he's

654
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:34,320
not a Mexican. Not all that denos are Mexican. Okay. Yeah,

655
00:37:34,599 --> 00:37:36,800
he straight up confessed to him on site and then

656
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:38,199
he was like, all right, well do you have the knife?

657
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,079
He took it out. He's like, but that knife's not bloody,

658
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:43,119
like trying to say, are you sure you stabbed this man?

659
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:48,159
Literally just confessed and now you're trying to him. Yeah,

660
00:37:48,159 --> 00:37:50,679
they're trying to talk about his confession, so they took

661
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,800
him into the station. Good at this. At the station,

662
00:37:54,119 --> 00:37:57,360
Jeffrey Conroy asked, what are the detectives if this was

663
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,920
going to be a problem for wrestling season. Fucking idiot.

664
00:38:02,039 --> 00:38:04,760
Of course, yeah, your ass is gonna be in jail hopefully.

665
00:38:05,079 --> 00:38:08,599
The detective was like, buddy, forget about wrestling season. You've

666
00:38:08,639 --> 00:38:21,440
got bigger problems. Stupid, it's so stupid, but it's like,

667
00:38:21,519 --> 00:38:24,840
these are idiot, like little teenagers who don't think things through.

668
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:29,840
You pair that with racist asks, xenophobic beliefs, and violence.

669
00:38:30,039 --> 00:38:34,440
Fuck yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. So during Jeffrey Conroy's interrogation,

670
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:38,719
they found out that the teens did this regularly. This

671
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,360
was something they called beaner hopping or Mexican hopping. Oh

672
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,840
my god, which is basically beating anyone up to them

673
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:50,199
that to them look like a Mexican. Wow. Yeah, did

674
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,760
this at least once a week. Oh my god. This

675
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,400
just happened to be the first person that killed Yeah.

676
00:38:55,679 --> 00:38:59,679
It was somewhere during a break of interrogating Jeffrey that

677
00:39:00,159 --> 00:39:03,039
one of the detectives stepped out and Anghelo was finally

678
00:39:03,159 --> 00:39:07,639
being led. He was finally a was still there. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

679
00:39:08,639 --> 00:39:11,760
And so as he was walking out, he asked, hey,

680
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:13,840
is my friend okay, and that's when he found out

681
00:39:14,599 --> 00:39:17,800
he was not alive anymore. The detective was like, I'm

682
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,039
sorry he didn't make it. He could have been with

683
00:39:20,199 --> 00:39:24,760
his friend in his final moments, but instead the stupid

684
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,280
comps decided to treat him like a criminal when he

685
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,840
was a victim of these violent teenagers and they held

686
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:34,599
him there for no reason. Hm. So Marcello passed away

687
00:39:34,599 --> 00:39:36,639
at one on nine am. This was around four am.

688
00:39:37,159 --> 00:39:39,000
That's when he finally went out. What happened to his friend?

689
00:39:39,199 --> 00:39:41,360
I can't believe it. As the rest of the teams

690
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,679
were interrogated, more and more came out. They had been

691
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,880
responsible for an earlier attack on a different undocumented man

692
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,480
earlier that day involving the bb gun. Luckily no one

693
00:39:50,599 --> 00:39:54,119
was seriously hurt, and the Marimo came out they had

694
00:39:54,159 --> 00:39:57,840
been responsible for several attacks over several months on different

695
00:39:58,119 --> 00:40:02,079
men in this area. Wow, again, this is what they

696
00:40:02,119 --> 00:40:05,000
did for fun. Look for people that to them looked

697
00:40:05,039 --> 00:40:07,840
Mexican and attack them. There was a service held in

698
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:13,239
Patchog on November fifteenth, one week after Marcello's's murder. For Marcello,

699
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,119
four hundred and fifty two people attended wow the service

700
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:19,920
because it wor got out about this being a hate

701
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:23,559
crime right away, and how he was getting ready to leave,

702
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,280
like he wasn't even going to be here anymore. That

703
00:40:26,519 --> 00:40:29,840
is so horrible. Yeah, it took more than thirty minutes

704
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:33,559
to get his coffin into the hearset to transport because

705
00:40:33,599 --> 00:40:36,400
people were just surrounding it trying to pay their respects.

706
00:40:38,199 --> 00:40:44,519
The body of Marcello Lucero arrived in Guallaceo on November nineteenth,

707
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:48,840
a Wednesday, and a coffin draved with the flag of Ecuador.

708
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,719
It had arrived in Quito first, then transported two hundred

709
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:57,599
miles to Guallaceo. In Guallaceo, people received his body holding

710
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:01,920
signs in Spanish that said no toy racism, no human

711
00:41:02,039 --> 00:41:05,360
being is illegal and Ecuadora is a country of peace.

712
00:41:05,639 --> 00:41:09,039
There was a three day procession in his honor. Hundreds

713
00:41:09,079 --> 00:41:13,960
of people walked alongside him. His friends took turns carrying

714
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:18,559
his casket and hundreds of people walked alongside. The mayor

715
00:41:18,679 --> 00:41:22,679
called for a for three days of morning and people

716
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:24,679
were giving a day off to go to the funeral,

717
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:33,440
and the whole town was at his funeral. This part

718
00:41:33,639 --> 00:41:38,519
destroyed me. No, I'm not ready, mies already, watery. I

719
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,000
know this is why I want you. I want you,

720
00:41:41,199 --> 00:41:45,440
so okay, hold on, let me take a few break. Okay, okay, okay,

721
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:51,519
all right. When Marcello's mom, doniar Ro Sadrio, saw her

722
00:41:51,639 --> 00:41:55,400
son in the casket, she didn't recognize him because he

723
00:41:55,519 --> 00:41:59,199
had left a young, thin man with you know, a

724
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:04,440
bunch of hair, her luscious black hair acne. Yeah, because

725
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:09,599
he was twenty twenty one and this person in the

726
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:13,440
casket was now a grown man, taller than she remembered,

727
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:23,159
a lot less hair, more wrinkles. Again, look in my

728
00:42:23,199 --> 00:42:28,639
eyes now, brought tishoes with me. It's just it just

729
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,760
hits so, it hits so close to home. I just

730
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:36,840
remember my mom, our mom, my mom my mom. I

731
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:40,519
just remember our mom telling us how she couldn't recognize

732
00:42:40,519 --> 00:42:45,719
our siblings because they were children, and now they had children,

733
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,760
and now those children are all adults. Yeah, and it's

734
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,239
not how she left them, you know. And to her,

735
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:57,199
they even though she saw pictures, she saw videos, to her,

736
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:00,760
they were still the same age from she left, and

737
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:04,400
so I can only imagine what Dona Rosadio was feeling

738
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,159
when this is not the person that she said goodbye

739
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:11,119
to all those years ago. It was so upstigning. It

740
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:13,760
is it is he was laid to rest on the

741
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,320
first floor of the house that he so proudly built

742
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:23,920
for his family. That now those our tissue palls. So okay,

743
00:43:24,639 --> 00:43:28,639
Now back to these fuckheads, these shit asses. Six of

744
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:32,639
the seventeenagers who attacked Lucetto were arraigned in the Soffolk

745
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,760
County Criminal Court. They were charged with multiple counts of gain,

746
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:39,360
assault and hate crimes, not only for Lucetto's death, but

747
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:43,599
also for other assaults that were committed against other Latino

748
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:47,920
men et Torcierra, Octavio Cordobo. The judge sent bail for

749
00:43:48,199 --> 00:43:51,079
five of the seventeens at two hundred and fifty thousand

750
00:43:51,119 --> 00:43:54,679
dollars cash or five hundred thousand dollars bond. Chris Overton,

751
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,360
one of the teens, was denied bail because he previously

752
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,880
he had a previous felony conviction for the two thousand

753
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:07,400
and seven bulgar le Oh my god, burglary, yes burglary,

754
00:44:07,679 --> 00:44:11,800
thank you of an other immigrant A Jamaican immigrant. They

755
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:18,239
broke into Jamaican immigrant mother who was working like two jobs. Wow,

756
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:23,599
so he already had that felony. And the teenagers, one

757
00:44:23,679 --> 00:44:26,320
by one they were let into the courtroom. Their friends

758
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:29,119
and parents were there like on their side still and

759
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:32,719
Luscetto's family and friends were also there. The other person,

760
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,599
the seventh that was now part of that group, was

761
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:39,599
charged one week later with second degree murder and manslaughter

762
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:42,679
as a heat crime. That was Jeffrey Conroy who stamned him.

763
00:44:43,039 --> 00:44:46,039
He received a harsher sentence because he's actually stammed him.

764
00:44:46,679 --> 00:44:48,920
He had also partaken in the attacks of the two

765
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,599
other men, and that was tacked on to him as well.

766
00:44:52,159 --> 00:44:55,199
All these teens pleaded not guilty. Like, what do you mean,

767
00:44:56,480 --> 00:45:01,079
it's all there, you confessed, Bob Conroy. Jeffrey Conroy's father

768
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,360
felt like the treatment of his son and the teens

769
00:45:03,639 --> 00:45:07,920
was unfair. Fuck you and your son truly a shit.

770
00:45:08,679 --> 00:45:13,079
You created this monster, you bitch. Yeah, it's where did

771
00:45:13,079 --> 00:45:16,840
he learn these beliefs? You know? Yeah, obviously somewhere, so

772
00:45:17,599 --> 00:45:22,400
his father, Bob Conroy said. The following jeff was ostracized

773
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,639
by the press. He was used as a poster boy.

774
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:28,119
Of everything that's wrong with this country about legal immigration.

775
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:30,719
It all fell on the back of teenagers, on my

776
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,679
son's back. Well maybe they should have done what they did, sir,

777
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,679
how about that side note? But his precious boy, his

778
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:40,960
son has a Swazika tattoo on his diye from this

779
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:46,039
or from prison? No, before all this? Okay, Wow, I'm shocked. Yeah,

780
00:45:46,079 --> 00:45:50,639
I mean like I shouldn't be, but I am. Wow. Yeah,

781
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,960
and again is the funny you and your son? Yeah,

782
00:45:55,159 --> 00:46:00,519
probably your dad too. Yeah. On April nineteen ten, Jeffrey

783
00:46:00,559 --> 00:46:03,079
Conroy was found guilty if manslaughter as a hate crime

784
00:46:03,119 --> 00:46:05,880
and ging assault. He was also convicted of the attempted

785
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,519
assault on three other Latino men and separate incidents that

786
00:46:08,639 --> 00:46:10,960
took place in the summer of the same year two

787
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,920
thousand and eight. He was acquitted of the second degree

788
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,400
murder as a hate crime because that would have put

789
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:19,440
him in prison for life. What the fuck? Why? Yeah,

790
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,800
I don't know, I don't know. Stupid jury. Probably. Yeah.

791
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:26,880
He's currently serving time at the Clinton Correctional Facility in Danimora,

792
00:46:27,159 --> 00:46:32,320
New York. When the sentence was read, Bob Conroy yelled,

793
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,800
he was fucking seventeen. You think this is mercy for

794
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:38,719
crying out loud. He doesn't deserve mercy. Dow the fuck

795
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:43,960
at him. I'm procartle state right now. He does not

796
00:46:44,079 --> 00:46:47,639
deserve it. He was out for blood that night. He

797
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,800
found two victims and he killed one of them. He

798
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:53,519
doesn't deserve it. In his first attack on Latino man

799
00:46:53,599 --> 00:46:58,840
and he has a swatka. Yeah excuse me, literally, white supremacist.

800
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,440
Why else would you get that time? Oh, all of

801
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:06,239
a sudden, he deserves mercy, Like I'm sorry, no, why no? Why? Yeah?

802
00:47:06,639 --> 00:47:11,920
What about Marcello, you know exactly like he took someone's life, Yeah,

803
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:15,199
on purpose, because what do you do when you stab somebody?

804
00:47:15,519 --> 00:47:18,239
You know what I mean? Like I understand legally it's

805
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,960
not murder. Oh but yeah, you know, I don't care

806
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,440
he killed someone intentionally. He wasn't even that close to

807
00:47:24,639 --> 00:47:27,159
like so you know, Marcello was looking the bell and

808
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,119
he was walking as he was swinging. So after he

809
00:47:30,199 --> 00:47:34,039
got hit, Marcello continued to move and Jeffrey Conroy had

810
00:47:34,039 --> 00:47:36,360
to pull out his knife and then walk several feet

811
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,280
with his knife in front of him, like leading the way,

812
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:41,519
like wow, So it was even like a quick like

813
00:47:41,639 --> 00:47:44,199
oh bam, let me take out my knife. Like he

814
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:46,079
had to walk several feet with a knife in his

815
00:47:46,199 --> 00:47:49,559
hand in order to stab Marcello. Marcello's back was facing

816
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:52,679
Jeffrey Conroy and he quickly turned around as if he

817
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:54,880
sensed what was about to happen, and that's when he

818
00:47:55,039 --> 00:47:58,639
was stabbed in the shoulder, sash, chest. But he was

819
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,559
he was getting away, like he easily could have let

820
00:48:01,599 --> 00:48:04,159
him leave, you know. Yeah, but no. Anyways, Yeah, that's

821
00:48:04,199 --> 00:48:08,000
what a little Bob Conroy said about his little Nazi son. Wow,

822
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:12,199
Jeffrey Conroy is eligible for par role in twenty thirty.

823
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:17,639
He'll be thirty nine by then. His dad, Bob Conroy

824
00:48:17,679 --> 00:48:20,400
still believes that the sentence was bullshit. I hope that

825
00:48:20,559 --> 00:48:24,119
he stays there, honestly, because that's like pretty young. Still,

826
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:26,800
he can still be if he has not reformed, which

827
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:29,599
probably he hasn't. Yeah, he can still be out there

828
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:33,360
like stabbing people, you know. Yeah, that's two years older

829
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:36,199
than Marcelo was at the time of his murder. In

830
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:39,480
August twenty ten, the State Supreme Court Justice Robert W.

831
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:43,039
Doyle sentenced the one of the teens to seven years

832
00:48:43,119 --> 00:48:47,039
in prison. Oh Jose Jose Pacheco to seven years in prison.

833
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:51,960
Nicholas hash was sentenced to five years, Chris Overton received

834
00:48:52,039 --> 00:48:56,519
six years. The four others were already sentenced seven years.

835
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:59,079
Two of them had shorter sentences because they weren't involved

836
00:48:59,119 --> 00:49:04,000
in the other assaults, only Marcello's, So in total they

837
00:49:04,199 --> 00:49:07,239
basically had five to seven years serving an except for

838
00:49:08,159 --> 00:49:10,760
what's his name, Jeffrey Conroy who served twenty five years.

839
00:49:11,159 --> 00:49:16,320
And the family, the Marcelo or Marcello's family. They're trying

840
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:19,480
to file a lawsuit for the state of New York

841
00:49:19,559 --> 00:49:21,800
for failing to protest. So hard to do that from

842
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:24,880
out of the country. Yeah, it is. It was dismissed.

843
00:49:25,159 --> 00:49:27,719
I know, it's shouldn't be. I feel like they should

844
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:32,039
have they should they should be able to wash. Yeah. Yeah,

845
00:49:32,119 --> 00:49:34,800
it was one hundred percent preventable. Like two months after

846
00:49:35,639 --> 00:49:39,159
this happened, there was another similar attack that also took

847
00:49:39,199 --> 00:49:44,840
the life of another immigrant. Are you serious? Yeah, Like Hosselo,

848
00:49:45,039 --> 00:49:48,400
Marcello's brother, was on record like when he spoke to

849
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:50,599
the media and he said, like he hoped that this

850
00:49:50,639 --> 00:49:53,000
would be the last attack of this kind, and of

851
00:49:53,079 --> 00:49:58,800
course it wasn't. And I mean, look at uh the

852
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:03,239
el Paso shooting that we've already covered, but the same rhetoric,

853
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:09,639
same beliefs that inspired that dumb ass, braces ass person

854
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:12,719
to do the same think, but at a worse level. Right,

855
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:16,159
but these are still a mass level. Yeah yet mass

856
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:21,840
think you. Yeah, but the same beliefs behind the violence. Yeah, exactly,

857
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:25,519
and it's only getting worse. And it's such a I

858
00:50:25,599 --> 00:50:27,400
mean we say this every time we talk about like

859
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:31,920
something that's like violence against immigrants, but like it's such

860
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:35,159
an important always, but such an important time now because

861
00:50:35,199 --> 00:50:41,360
of the you know, intelect the climate, yeah yeah, and

862
00:50:41,519 --> 00:50:45,239
the you know, same hateful rhetoric that's like more visible

863
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:48,880
than it was back then. I think more, I think so, Yeah,

864
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:52,159
I think I feel like although back then it was

865
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:56,559
common likes, I like all the laws that were you know,

866
00:50:56,760 --> 00:51:00,880
being not pasted but like trying to become like the

867
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,320
miniment on the news, all right, but it was I

868
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:06,719
feel like it was more fringe still. Yeah, you didn't

869
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:11,559
see the president on President elects on a camera saying

870
00:51:12,039 --> 00:51:15,039
how these are all rapists and criminals and that they

871
00:51:15,119 --> 00:51:17,519
need to be sobbed, right, it was like more subtle.

872
00:51:17,639 --> 00:51:20,920
The racism now it's yeah, it's like over in your face,

873
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:26,280
extremely hateful. I mean, heeds I heard thriatening to uh

874
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:34,440
take away the citizenship birthright citizenship. Yeah so I don't know,

875
00:51:35,039 --> 00:51:38,400
like yeah wueno has another president ever said that that

876
00:51:38,559 --> 00:51:40,079
wasn't in the Fifth Rights? You know what I mean?

877
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:43,840
Like right right? So yeah, I mean and this is

878
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:47,079
this was all all for what? You know, like all

879
00:51:47,159 --> 00:51:50,719
for what for? These these these teens, they learned these

880
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:53,199
beliefs somewhere. They didn't just wake up one day and

881
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:57,960
you know, decide to be hateful little shits, right, So yeah,

882
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:00,880
just uh it's important to talk about the these cases

883
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:03,320
with that lens. I know people are like, eh, I

884
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:06,079
don't get political, but it truthfully it is. This was

885
00:52:06,119 --> 00:52:09,679
a literal time. Yeah, everything is political, just if you

886
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:11,960
feel like it's not because it hasn't affected your life.

887
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:15,760
But what I'm wondering is, like immigrants or children of immigrants,

888
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:17,760
how has it not affected your life? Like that is

889
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,719
my question? Well that's what I was gonna say. Like

890
00:52:21,039 --> 00:52:23,000
also the same thing you said, And yeah, if you're

891
00:52:23,199 --> 00:52:26,639
a children child of immigrants and you're out there, you know,

892
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,440
spouting this shit, I know that calling you dumb is

893
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:31,000
not going to change your mind. But I'm sorry you

894
00:52:31,079 --> 00:52:34,519
are dumb, but get it together. Look at what happened

895
00:52:34,519 --> 00:52:39,119
to Marcello. Yeah yeah, and also you came from like

896
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:43,599
if you're spouting this bullshit and your parents are quote illegal,

897
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:47,119
like the president lecause I hear threatening to take away

898
00:52:47,159 --> 00:52:50,679
also your citizenship, So like, yeah, what did you think

899
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:52,880
was gonna happen? Like you thought you were safe because

900
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:55,639
you're spouting this bullshit. That was the case with Marcelo Lucero.

901
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:57,840
I didn't want to share that. There is a documentary

902
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:01,960
about this called Deputized Como Budo Basad. And the book

903
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,199
I read where all of this is basically from is

904
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:08,360
Hunting Season, Immigration and Murder in in all American town

905
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:13,679
by And the book goes so much more in depth

906
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:17,199
into their life in Ecuador, their friendships, the family, the

907
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:22,519
journey from Ecuador to uh Patchog. It's it's so good,

908
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:25,960
So I highly highly recommend the book. This was just

909
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:28,239
like a tiny, you know, little snippet of it. But yeah,

910
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:31,280
that was the that infuriading case. We'll take a little

911
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:33,320
break here and then come back with speak your recommendations.

912
00:53:38,519 --> 00:53:41,280
Oh right, do you have any speak your recommendations? Let

913
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:44,320
me see I don't remember, Okay. In the meantime, while

914
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:47,119
you're looking for your speak, your recommendation, I do have

915
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,079
one and I first I messaged Carmen when I finished

916
00:53:50,119 --> 00:53:51,719
this show and I was like, wow, we should watch

917
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:53,559
this show, and you know, she told me that she

918
00:53:53,639 --> 00:53:55,920
had already watched it, and I was like, I already

919
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:59,800
forgot this. What is this about? Dark Winds? Oh? Yeah,

920
00:54:01,079 --> 00:54:05,480
it's on Netflix and a mc either one. But it

921
00:54:05,639 --> 00:54:11,800
follows a tribal policeman. You forgot his name in the show. Joe,

922
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:16,000
isn't it Joe Joe or Joe one of those one

923
00:54:16,039 --> 00:54:18,760
of that too. But he's like a tribal policeman in

924
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:21,400
every show ever and I love him and Longmire and

925
00:54:21,519 --> 00:54:25,480
Reservation Dogs, which have you seen? To watch that? I

926
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:26,800
didn't know he was in that. My god, I can

927
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:30,880
believe there's so many there's a crossover of actors for

928
00:54:31,039 --> 00:54:34,840
Reservation Dogs and Dark Winds. But the first season is

929
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:38,559
so spooky and it's like it's a little witchy. It's

930
00:54:38,639 --> 00:54:41,360
so creepy some of the scenes with Yeah, I mean

931
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:47,280
the witch there's a wary Yeah, she's very cy Yeah.

932
00:54:47,639 --> 00:54:51,519
The second season is less I think spiritual. There's still

933
00:54:51,559 --> 00:54:54,400
some spiritual elements though elements, Yeah, not as much as

934
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:56,679
the first season. It's still good though, but yeah, I

935
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:58,840
mean it's so good and like, how often can we

936
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:02,519
say there's like an all all star indigenous cast like

937
00:55:03,039 --> 00:55:05,280
Starry in this show. It's all about it's it's just

938
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:09,480
it's so good. So highly recommend that show. Also, I

939
00:55:09,599 --> 00:55:11,400
was rais surprised to see Dwight in it. He's a

940
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:14,599
car salesman. Oh, yeah, me too. Anytime we see Dwight anywhere,

941
00:55:14,639 --> 00:55:17,880
I'm like, it's tweight, it's tight. Yeah, and that that

942
00:55:18,039 --> 00:55:21,440
he doesn't like that. Oops, I don't care. I was

943
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:24,599
watching an interview with him and the guy from Breaking

944
00:55:24,679 --> 00:55:29,119
Bad who probably also no. No. He was like, no,

945
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:31,639
I love it. I love that my fans can recognize

946
00:55:31,679 --> 00:55:33,960
me and see me as this role. And it's like,

947
00:55:34,079 --> 00:55:37,000
it's just it's like very honor. It feels like an

948
00:55:37,039 --> 00:55:42,119
honor blah blah blah. And Dwight was like, really, Rain Wilson, sorry,

949
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:46,000
sorry Dwight, Rain and Wilson. Yeah, he was like, oh,

950
00:55:46,079 --> 00:55:48,400
I feel like sometimes it makes me feel stuck to

951
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:50,719
the character. Blah blah blah. He doesn't like it at all.

952
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:55,079
But Heisenberg from Breaking Bad, does or do you know that?

953
00:55:55,159 --> 00:55:58,079
That from Mac him in the middle whatever? Oh, okay,

954
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:00,320
I didn't know his name in Breaking Back. I never

955
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:05,599
got into Breaking Bed. That's right, Brian, Brian something Creston's

956
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:08,840
I just know that, No, hum I said. I asked

957
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:12,599
if that was his actual name. Yeah, yeah, okay, but yeah,

958
00:56:12,679 --> 00:56:21,400
that's my spooky recommendation. Okay, yeah, I was looking through

959
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:24,800
my when I finished reading on Stargraph, and I do

960
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:28,760
have a spooky recommendation. I listened and finished the audiobook

961
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:35,039
So Thirsty by Rachel Harrison. It was it was pretty good.

962
00:56:35,199 --> 00:56:37,440
I saw some bad reviews and I was like, well,

963
00:56:37,559 --> 00:56:41,000
tweets your own. I really liked it. Let me find

964
00:56:41,199 --> 00:56:43,960
vampire related. Yeah it is. Did you read it for

965
00:56:44,039 --> 00:56:47,239
a vampire media episode that we still have through? Not really.

966
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:50,960
I didn't read it because of that, but I because

967
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:53,000
I like, I just tag always what I want to

968
00:56:53,079 --> 00:56:55,599
read on Libby, and then after I finished something, I

969
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:58,239
see what's available now, and it was available, and that's

970
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:00,360
how why I read it. Okay, but there was books

971
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:02,159
that could have chosen, but I chose it because I'm like, oh,

972
00:57:02,199 --> 00:57:04,880
I want to read something vampiriy for that so partly

973
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:07,719
because of that? Yeah? Okay, So the description a woman

974
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:10,039
was learned to take life by the throat after a

975
00:57:10,159 --> 00:57:13,519
night out leads to irv damn. How does he say

976
00:57:13,559 --> 00:57:17,920
this word? Irvect irvocable? No, that's wrong, don't. I can't

977
00:57:18,199 --> 00:57:22,519
iravect era, I can't whatever changes in this juicy, thrilling

978
00:57:22,599 --> 00:57:25,239
novel from the USA Today bestselling author of Such Sharp

979
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:28,519
Teeth and Black Sheep? Have you read those? No? Okay,

980
00:57:28,599 --> 00:57:31,119
I hear like mixed stuff about black sheep, But I

981
00:57:31,159 --> 00:57:33,199
think I hear mostly good things about such sharp Teeth.

982
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:36,159
Such short teep is like a werewolf one. So, Sloane

983
00:57:36,199 --> 00:57:39,440
Parker is dritting her birthday. She doesn't need a reminder

984
00:57:39,519 --> 00:57:42,119
she's getting older or that she's feeling indifferent about her

985
00:57:42,159 --> 00:57:44,599
own life. Her husband surprises her with their birthday we

986
00:57:44,639 --> 00:57:46,840
can get away, not with him, but with Sloan's a

987
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:51,199
long time best friend, turbomaker extraordinaire Naomi. Sloane anticipates a

988
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:54,960
weekend of wine tastings and cozy robes and strategic avoidance

989
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:58,480
of issues she'd rather not confront, like her husband's repeated infidelity.

990
00:57:58,639 --> 00:58:00,920
But when they arrive at their rental, it becomes clear

991
00:58:01,079 --> 00:58:03,920
Naomi has something else in mind. She wants the loan

992
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:06,480
to stop letting things happen to her, force Loan to

993
00:58:06,559 --> 00:58:09,400
really live. So Naomi orchestrates a wild night out with

994
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:14,159
a group of mysterious strangers. Those strangers are vampires, okay,

995
00:58:14,599 --> 00:58:17,239
only for it to take a horrifying turn that changes

996
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:21,039
Loans and Naomi's lives literally forever. The friends are forced

997
00:58:21,079 --> 00:58:24,480
to come to terms with some pretty eternal consequences, and

998
00:58:24,599 --> 00:58:27,679
this bloody, seductive novel about how it's never too late

999
00:58:28,039 --> 00:58:32,079
to find satisfaction, even though it might taste different than expected.

1000
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:35,199
I don't know. I love a story of two best friends.

1001
00:58:35,519 --> 00:58:39,480
Yeah you do? Yeah? Yeah, I love a happy ending.

1002
00:58:39,519 --> 00:58:41,239
What can I say? You know? Some people were like, oh,

1003
00:58:41,239 --> 00:58:43,400
it's so unrealistic, and I'm like, you're reading a story

1004
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:45,960
about vampires. Why do you expect something to be realistic.

1005
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:50,519
I liked it. It was funny. Sometimes at first, I

1006
00:58:50,599 --> 00:58:52,840
feel like some of the other batter views I saw,

1007
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:55,760
they were complaining that the main character is like just

1008
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:58,840
feel sorry for herself the whole time, and she literally

1009
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:00,559
at one point says that she just wants to be

1010
00:59:00,639 --> 00:59:05,239
a victim, like play victim or whatever, and that spoilers obviously.

1011
00:59:05,639 --> 00:59:07,960
Once she turns into a vampire, she can't play victim

1012
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:10,960
anymore because she's a powerful vampire and she doesn't like

1013
00:59:11,079 --> 00:59:13,199
that too powerful. Yeah, I just want to be a

1014
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:16,920
sad little bit. Yeah. Basically that's what she's that's her

1015
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:19,400
character development. And I liked it. I don't know. It

1016
00:59:19,519 --> 00:59:24,159
was funny, interesting at times, very entertaining. I feel like

1017
00:59:24,199 --> 00:59:26,559
for audiobooks, I'm not looking for something profound. I'm looking

1018
00:59:26,599 --> 00:59:28,519
for something entertaining because I'm listening to it, you know

1019
00:59:28,559 --> 00:59:31,519
what I mean. Yeah, And I never once thought I

1020
00:59:31,679 --> 00:59:34,320
was it was boring. Okay, what else I listened to?

1021
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:38,440
I guess it's more like mystery, but it's a mystery romance.

1022
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:41,360
The book is called the most Wonderful Crime of the Year,

1023
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:46,079
very like murder mystery type thing. Fun Let me find

1024
00:59:46,119 --> 00:59:48,519
that description real quick, Okay. So it says knives out

1025
00:59:48,639 --> 00:59:51,159
gets a holiday roum come twist, and this rivals to

1026
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:54,199
lovers of romance mystery from New York Times bestselling author

1027
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:57,360
Ellie Carter. And then it says the bridge is out,

1028
00:59:57,519 --> 00:59:59,880
the phone darted down, and the most famous mystery writer

1029
01:00:00,159 --> 01:00:02,400
in the world just disappeared out of a locked room

1030
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:06,039
three days before Christmas. Meet Maggie Chase and Ethan Wyatt.

1031
01:00:06,119 --> 01:00:08,960
She's the new queen of the Cozy Mystery. He's mister

1032
01:00:09,039 --> 01:00:12,000
big time thriller guy. She hates his guts. He thinks

1033
01:00:12,079 --> 01:00:15,239
her name is Marcy, no matter how many times she's

1034
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:18,119
told him otherwise. But when they both accept a cryptic

1035
01:00:18,239 --> 01:00:22,079
invitation to attend a Christmas house party at the English

1036
01:00:22,199 --> 01:00:25,719
estate of a reclusive fan, neither is expecting their host

1037
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:29,400
to be the most powerful author in the world, Eleanor Ashley,

1038
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:34,039
the Duchess of death herself to her author world. Okay,

1039
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:37,400
that night the weather turns, and the next morning, Eleanor

1040
01:00:37,559 --> 01:00:40,320
is gone. She vanished from a locked room, and Maggie

1041
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:42,679
has to wonder is Eleanor in danger or is it

1042
01:00:42,719 --> 01:00:45,679
all some kind of test? Is Ethan the competition or

1043
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:48,719
is he the only person in that snowbounded mansion she

1044
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:52,639
can trust. As the snow gets deeper and the stakes

1045
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:55,679
get higher, every clue will bring Maggie and Ethan closer

1046
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:59,119
to the truth and each other. Because this Christmas, these

1047
01:00:59,199 --> 01:01:02,039
two rivals are going to have to become allies, and

1048
01:01:02,159 --> 01:01:04,800
maybe more if they have any hope of saving eleanor

1049
01:01:05,159 --> 01:01:08,679
assuming they don't kill each other first. Very cute. I

1050
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:12,679
like that. I've been listening and reading trying to at

1051
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:17,440
least some Christmas related I saw your stoograph. Yeah, and

1052
01:01:17,559 --> 01:01:20,960
don't get at me about not reading anything else. I

1053
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:23,599
haven't started the book of the book. My plan is

1054
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:27,440
to start it after I finish the Panama Oh okay,

1055
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:31,159
but see, like reading these other things doesn't take away

1056
01:01:31,239 --> 01:01:33,519
from the Panama book, because the Panama Book I have

1057
01:01:33,639 --> 01:01:38,480
to like highlight, take notes, write and actual like focus

1058
01:01:38,599 --> 01:01:41,079
and studying and shit. And so I listen to autobooks

1059
01:01:41,119 --> 01:01:43,480
when I'm walking or driving, and then my kindle I

1060
01:01:43,559 --> 01:01:46,760
started reading either only in bed, right, I read like

1061
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:48,840
a few pages when I wake up and a few

1062
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:51,480
pages before I sleep, and then when I ride my

1063
01:01:51,559 --> 01:01:54,400
little bicycle. So I become one of those people that

1064
01:01:54,519 --> 01:01:56,719
has a book for every like activity and place in

1065
01:01:56,760 --> 01:02:00,440
the house. I love that for you. Yeah, pretty, it's

1066
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:03,760
pretty cool. Yeah. Also sorry, I don't think I ever

1067
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:07,000
talked about. For my work book club, we read Never

1068
01:02:07,199 --> 01:02:10,559
Lie by Freedom McFadden, and she like has hell of books.

1069
01:02:10,599 --> 01:02:12,880
But people like I don't know, they say she's like

1070
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:15,119
a trashy writer. I guess I'm not a trashy writer.

1071
01:02:15,239 --> 01:02:18,599
But it's like yeah, like it's nothing meaningful, you know,

1072
01:02:18,719 --> 01:02:21,639
it's just yeah, yeah, just like like a fun little read.

1073
01:02:21,679 --> 01:02:24,960
I guess, yeah, exactly. Yeah. Anyway, I read Never Lie

1074
01:02:25,559 --> 01:02:29,000
and it's a thriller, of course, and it was so ridiculous,

1075
01:02:29,119 --> 01:02:31,039
but it was entertaining, Like I really liked it. I

1076
01:02:31,119 --> 01:02:33,000
read it. It's fun and okay. Also for me, when

1077
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:37,719
I read stuff like four doesn't mean like it's amazing profound,

1078
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:40,000
like that's five. I say that for five. Four means

1079
01:02:40,039 --> 01:02:43,920
I loved it. But it could be a ridiculous, a

1080
01:02:44,039 --> 01:02:46,880
ridiculous plot that's so unrealistic, you know what I mean.

1081
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:50,000
Like to me, that doesn't matter. If I'm entertained and

1082
01:02:50,079 --> 01:02:52,280
I loved it and I would read read it or

1083
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:55,280
maybe not. I don't know. If I had a good time,

1084
01:02:55,679 --> 01:02:57,960
it's a four. If I had a decent time, it's

1085
01:02:58,000 --> 01:02:59,400
a three, you know what I mean. So that's why

1086
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:04,239
I read it to have Oh man, okay, okay, it

1087
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:06,880
was like so and the twist I never saw coming

1088
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:11,239
because probably because I'm dumb, Probably because I'm a dumb bitch. Yeah,

1089
01:03:11,519 --> 01:03:15,199
so this one the description. Newlyweds Tricia and Ethan are

1090
01:03:15,239 --> 01:03:17,639
searching for the house of their dreams, but when they

1091
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:21,639
visit the remote manner that once belonged to doctor Adrianne Hill,

1092
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:26,199
a renowned psychiatrist who vanished without a trace four years earlier,

1093
01:03:26,519 --> 01:03:29,159
a violent winter storm traps them at the estate with

1094
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:32,320
no chance of escape until the blizzard comes to an end.

1095
01:03:32,519 --> 01:03:35,000
In search of a book to keep her entertained until

1096
01:03:35,039 --> 01:03:38,719
the snow abates, Tricia happens upon a secret room, one

1097
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:42,039
that contains audio transcripts from every single patient Doctor Hell

1098
01:03:42,119 --> 01:03:45,039
has ever interviewed. As Tricia listens to the cassette tapes,

1099
01:03:45,119 --> 01:03:47,880
she learned about the terrifying chain of events leading up

1100
01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:51,400
to doctor Hell's mysterious disappearance. Tricia plays the tapes one

1101
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:54,079
by one late into the night. With each one another

1102
01:03:54,199 --> 01:03:57,559
shocking piece of the puzzle falls into place, and doctor

1103
01:03:57,599 --> 01:04:02,360
adrian Hill's web of lines unrebels, And then Tricia reaches

1104
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:06,320
the final cassette, the one that reveals the entire horrifying truth.

1105
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:10,880
Oh okay, I love first when people are trapped somewhere

1106
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:14,000
and they can't escape. I feel like you'd love it. Yeah,

1107
01:04:14,239 --> 01:04:17,239
And I love something that involves listening to tapes. That's

1108
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:19,639
why I was obsessed with Archive eighty one. I'm so

1109
01:04:19,719 --> 01:04:22,559
excited to continue. That's that's based on a book, right

1110
01:04:22,719 --> 01:04:25,519
or no? Oh, I don't get wrong, I might be wrong.

1111
01:04:25,559 --> 01:04:29,400
It was an audio Oh that's right, novella. We call

1112
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:32,320
it show. I don't yeah, yeah, yeah, I was like

1113
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:37,400
audio book Noma has a name. But yeah, so that's fine,

1114
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:40,079
but okay, I love that. I'll probably check that out

1115
01:04:40,159 --> 01:04:44,159
done then yeah, no, and I love that too, you know,

1116
01:04:44,239 --> 01:04:46,719
I love it. And the characters are unlikable, like I

1117
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:48,719
was sick of them, but I don't mind that. Like

1118
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:52,440
some people hate when the characters are unlikable, I feel

1119
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:55,000
like I like it because it's so unrealistic because like,

1120
01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:57,440
imagine meeting someone like that in real life, like I

1121
01:04:57,480 --> 01:05:01,760
would fight them. Yeah, I'm with an unlikable character, Earlily,

1122
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:03,800
you borrow it when it's sufferable and I'm just kidding.

1123
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:08,639
I found the main character insufferable. And then the twist

1124
01:05:08,679 --> 01:05:11,440
came and then I was like, oh, this explains a lot. Yeah, okay,

1125
01:05:11,559 --> 01:05:13,960
I'm excited. I also love a good twist, so this

1126
01:05:14,039 --> 01:05:15,719
should be good. And if you want me to tell

1127
01:05:15,719 --> 01:05:18,519
you what happens. I'll tell you all fair enough. Yeah,

1128
01:05:18,639 --> 01:05:21,440
tell me after Oh sorry, you know what else? I watched?

1129
01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:24,719
The crampis I've watched it before, but I forgot between

1130
01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:27,760
that happens. Yeah, I watched it again. It's a fun

1131
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:32,519
cute yeah yeah, yeah, entertaining with the children and what's

1132
01:05:32,559 --> 01:05:37,679
his name from Parks and rec the guy love Yeah, Ben, Yeah,

1133
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:40,039
I know it's really name is Adam, And I wanted

1134
01:05:40,039 --> 01:05:41,719
to call him Adam, but then I had already said,

1135
01:05:41,719 --> 01:05:45,159
oh yeah, Adam Scott. Yeah, he's in It's a fun movie.

1136
01:05:45,199 --> 01:05:47,719
And I just love him. I literally watch anything he's in.

1137
01:05:48,159 --> 01:05:50,119
Have you seen the one on I think actually I

1138
01:05:50,119 --> 01:05:52,280
can't remember if it's on Netflix for Hulu where his

1139
01:05:52,719 --> 01:05:56,960
step son is. Yeah, that one's fun, that's like fun one. Yeah.

1140
01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:59,360
I did recommend it when I watched it. Oh, okay,

1141
01:06:00,199 --> 01:06:02,440
a lot of time or something. Yeah, yeah, okay, well

1142
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:05,800
now I'm done, I'm done. That was a lot. Okay, yeah,

1143
01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:07,800
it was a lot, all right. Just to reminder that

1144
01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:10,360
our book club book is The Witches of a Basso.

1145
01:06:11,039 --> 01:06:13,519
It's on our little list in the show notes. I

1146
01:06:13,559 --> 01:06:17,800
think I'm gonna started click anyuary. Sorry, same, same, for sure.

1147
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:20,800
I will start in January. You can also find us

1148
01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:24,440
on YouTube. You can follow our socials on Instagram and

1149
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:26,440
I don't know TikTok's going away, so if you follow

1150
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:29,639
me on TikTok, maybe switch to Instagram and YouTube, you know, yeah,

1151
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:34,199
oh sorry, can I just say really quick, I'm like, whatever,

1152
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:36,400
you can criticize those, But it made me laugh that

1153
01:06:36,519 --> 01:06:39,840
someone said our Spanish is so frustrating. But then now

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all the memes are coming out of Selena about Selena's

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Gomentz and the movie, and I'm like, well, at Lista

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will sound like that, right, it could be worse. And

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the purpose of our Spanish episodes is for us to

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learn to get better at like sounding cool in Spanish. Yeah, yeah,

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that was the whole point. So yeah, but it could

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be worse. We could sound like len. Think about that,

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like let me pinch, I can't stop. Stop. We we

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respect all Moss and yeah and yeah yeah and Pachas

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and like, you know, it's it's really funny, like who

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nobody uses the word bulba, Like I'm sorry, nobody uses

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it in that way, but you know what did her

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no good? Yes that's what I didn't say, but Also

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it was directed and written I think by someone French,

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so they wouldn't understand the way that you say these things,

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and they wouldn't know how did they're not here? Oh?

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People were like shocked, that's on TikTok that could speak Spanish.

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It's like, you, guys, she's she's Latina, Like what do

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you mean? They're like, oh, but look it's always Aldania Spanish.

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It's so good compared to yeah, she's Latina too. Yeah, God,

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she's stop. So yeah, okay, we can we can layer

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upon layers for this conversation that maybe would be to

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train stop before we yeah, oh yeah, I didn't want

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to do that. Well assume, but we don't judge. But

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do you have time or no? Okay, really well let's

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send this for the official Yeah okay, and so yeah, everyone,

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stay spooky. You will catch you next time. Watch out

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for watch out for el Ukumar. It sounds like this,

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ooh ooh. If you hear oh omar say spooky, We'll

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catch for the next time. Bye Bye. S. Book Tells

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is hosted by Christina and Carmen, produced and edited by Christina,

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researched by Christina Carmen and with the help of Don

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shout out with Don. If you're enjoying the podcast considerably,

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This is in the show notes and we appreciate every

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single listen. Thank you so much, Stay a Spooky