Speaker 1: Hi, this is Christina and Carmen. And this is another
episode of a Spooky Towns, a podcast for all things
as spooky true crime Latin America. And oh, I was like,
you're like getting worse at these intros. I don't know what.
I didn't think that was that bad. Maybe it's just
me right now, I don't know. I think you has
been a bitch right now. Just because I told you
to hurry up doesn't mean I'm being a bitch. You're right,
it was not your best intro. Okay, you're right, you're right.
Let me redo it. No, make you more upset. Your
eye shadow looks cute. Thanks. I wanted to be on
theme for Christmas. I love it. What does your Christmas
water say? It says the struggle is real? And then
it has Santa like that's you right now. He's like
stuck and the fireplace. Yeah, I'm stuck in the metaphoric
fireplace of hell. You are? Yeah? Mine is just Darth Vader. Nice. Yeah, Okay,
well today we have some cryptids yeah, and some that
we've never heard of. When I thought we had them all,
I'm like, of course we didn't. There's always more, of
course not. Yeah, yeah, and I have a very infuriating
depressent case. Ohn. Yeah. But first before all that, we
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So this is from the discord from alo Vera. I
was around seven years old. I don't remember much of
my childhood, but this is one of my most vivid memories.
I was having a sleepover at my cousin's house, nothing
new at that time. My aunt helped my mom a
lot with babysitting and whatnot. The apartment complex they lived
in at the time is owned by my grandpa, so
I've always had family live in it and would spend
a lot of time there as a kid. I remember
going asleep one night and woke up sometime in the
middle of the night, and it was that kind of
state where you're half asleep, half awake. I started seeing
it will look like black smoke coming out of the closet.
I thought that was weird, so I blinked, and after
it quickly started moving towards me. That's when I rubbed
my eyes, and when I opened them, the black smoke
had turned into the shape of a little girl. Oh no,
for a second, she stood in front of the closet
entrance and then started moving her way towards me. I
didn't see her feet moving. Instead, I saw her floating.
Her apparition was also glitching or moving in slow motion.
I remember it all felt very slow. When she got
close enough to me, a wave of fear overcame me
and I shut my eyes to avoid seeing her up close.
When I opened my eyes, she was gone. Years later,
another aunt moved in there. She's been there for fifteen
years now and has shared many paranormal experiences with us.
Apparently a little girl haunts the apartment and is frequently
heard and seen. Knowing this since shows down my spine.
But at least I know I wasn't crazy when I
saw her. That is so creepy, But also, yeah, that's
like validation that you weren't crazy. You did see a
little girl. Like, it's not just you, it's the whole family. Also,
tell your aunt to send us her stories. Yeah please,
wow that Yeah, that's that was creepy. Thank you so
much for setting that in. Do you want to start? Yeah,
let's get into these cryptids. So first up, we have
a dire dan deo. Soo was first spotted in nineteen
eighty one by an indigenous hunter named Ditson Sosa, who
belonged to the Beemon tribe native to Venezuela. Theo is
described as a cryptid cat with long things, maroon fur,
large claws, and said to look like an extinct sabertooth tiger.
The cryptid is known to be timid and mostly survives
off eating danta, which is why the locals named it
El Dio. It's like an ant eater. It says to pyrus,
to pirris, to pirrus. Yeah, that's what it says. According
to Sosa, he spotted the cryptid during the dry season
in nineteen ninety one while on a three day hunting
trip up the Carau River in Venezuela. Sos That claims
the large cat was long thinged. The short tailed, unpatterned
cat the size of a jaguar and emerged from a
thicket to drink from a pool of water. The animal
appeared stealthily and vanished cautiously. People who Sosa spoke to
about his sighting were intrigued by what he saw and
were determined to figure out what he saw. So one
individual showed Sosa a photo of a samelodon, which is
a sabertooth tiger, which Sosa said look like the animal
he saw, which is impossible since that species of a
tiger is extinct and last from the Earth about ten
thousand years ago. Another sighting also happened just before nineteen
ninety six, but it's unclear if it was an Ecuador
or Columbia. The person who spotted the large cat like
cryptid was a French traveler named Piquet. I feel like
it's probably pronounced different, but I don't know Piquette, Piquet, Piquet.
It's spelled p i c q u e t cut
piquet anyway, Piquette who told? Peter? Who told? Peter Mathison,
an American novelist, wilderness writer, and one time CIA agent.
He told Peter that he spotted a large cat with
large things and roaming the wilderness for a minute. Peter
believed that perhaps Piquett might have spotted a prehistoric animal
that has been instinct for several years, but then came
to the conclusion that Piquett most likely confused a large
creature with another animal. Cryptozoologists Gustavo Sanchez Rometo also heard
similar stories from locals when he visited Venezuela's Kanaima National Park.
Ometo passed on what he heard to fame the British
zoologists and cryptozologist Carl Schucker, who was wary about believing
the story he was told since he also knew that
cybertooth tigers have long been extinct. According to Sugar, the
only or chikar I don't know, remember what I said
last time? Anyway, According to the Sky, the only way
this type of animal could survive in South America is
if perhaps it was a smaller version of the prehistoric
animal that might be living in the remote mountains and
cloudy areas of South America where they can come camouflage
with its surroundings, which might be possible. In twenty seventeen,
a resident of Madre de Diosperu named David Anahill told
explorer Bill Gibbons that a large brown sabertooth cat was
known to exist in the northern and central forests. You know,
this could be encrypted, or this could be a scentant
of a long time extinct sabertooth tiger. So yeah, and
there's so much that we don't know. Yeah, like one
hundred percent could be uh, I mean how many stories
are there of like indigenous people seeing don't know what
is it called? Like for some indigenous groups in like
the North America region have stories like oral traditional stories
that they have passed on of living with some not
like you know, the dinosaurs dinosaurs, but some sort of dinosaur.
And for the longest time, scientists were like, that's not possible.
Humans and dinosaurs did not co exist. And then like
two ish years ago, there was evidence that there was
some indigenous groups that did coexist with some some sort
of dinosaurs. Basically, oh really, yeah, wow, I never heard
that new piece of science. Yeah. I came across it
on TikTok Oh And it's real because I remember seeing
indigenous creators were like, see, our people have said these
stories forever, and now here's this scientific, scientific study that
says this. So it's like, it's not that far fetched
to me that there's a distant relative of a savor toooth. Yep,
there and people are seeing it, but they don't know
what they're seeing. So like this the cryptid interesting. Interesting.
So our next cryptid is uku Mad. Have you heard
of it? No? Okay? So eluku Mad is a giant
humanoid cryptid known for terrorizing northern Argentina and Chile terrorist okay.
The locals have nicknamed the cryptid uku Mad after its
howls that allegedly sound like the creature is screaming. Ooh,
I don't know, okay, I don't know how to say it.
Please ooh ooh ooh, I don't know. Maybe it's uh
uho okay or ooh ooh ooh ooh. Sorry sorry people, Yeah,
we're sorry. The bear like humanoid has been described as
being around five feet seven inches tall. Okay, short king,
Yeah to me, that's tall to us anyone any Yeah
that's to everyone else that's short, but yeah okay. So yeah,
the uku Mad is like five feet seven inches tall
with thick hair, small eyes. Okay, I was like, wow,
thick care okay, as I say, thick hair, big little
beady eyes. Okay, No, I don't like it anymore. Yeah, No,
huge arms and legs and it's a local plant known
as bayo to survive okay vegetarian. The ucu mad was
first sighted in nineteen fifty eight by a group of
campers in it Angle, Chile. Actually I don't know if
it's it Angkole or dangle, but there it was there, Chile.
The campers told authorities that they saw would look like
a half man, half ape in the wilderness. Surprisingly, the
authorities took the report seriously and sent police to investigate
the area. One why You witness named Carlos Manuel Soto
told police that he had seen a large man covered
in hair well in the Cordilleras. Prior to this iowaness account,
geologists found seventeen inch long human like footprints on the
Argentine side of the Andes and in Las Alta, Argentina,
in both nineteen fifty six in nineteen fifty seven, So
seventeen inch human like footprints. That's like obviously over a
foot well yeah foot, yeah, yeah, pretty big, pretty big.
After the findings, Dolor Grande locals began to tell newspaper
reporters that eerie sounds could be heard from the Kuruguru
Mountains on a nightly basis. These noises caused many sleepless
nights for many residents who believe the sounds were coming
from the Ukumar. In twenty twenty two, the Argentine newspaper
A Tribuno Salta conducted an interview with a Ba Kiano,
who lives and works the land in El gardin Argentina,
which is a rural area in the province of Santa
and here's told reporters. I heard something walking closer towards me,
and then from the corner of my eye, I saw
a dark figure step out from behind the bushes. When
I turned around to stare at it, it was only
five meters away from me, and well, to be honest,
I didn't know what to do. All I did was
step behind a tree and point my weapon at it.
I was trying to decide if I should shoot or not,
so I stood there with my weapon pointing at it
for a little while, when suddenly the creature started to
retreat at the very moment that I had my weapon
pointed at it. I was not scared, but after the
interaction I was a bit shaken up and felt like
something continued to follow me. I couldn't get the creature's
image out of my mind. So I turned back again
and there it was, but this time about fifty meters away.
I didn't want to risk interacting with it, so I
kept walking. It looked like a large animal, and it
looked similar to a monkey, but at the same time
it also looked like a human. It also had a
lot of black fur, and it had colored eyes. Some
people love that, yeah, shockingly, Damos claims he saw the
creature three more times after that. Oh my god, it
was It liked him, yeah, I guess, so he wanted
to be seen by him well. And he also claimed
to see the female version of the creatures. So he
saw two of them. Oh there's more than one. I
thought it okay, there's a boy and a girl, and
then they fell in love. According to Ramost, the female
Gumar looked a bit similar dinner and had lighter colored fur.
Damo said he and a few others also went in
search of the creatures a few years later after the
initial sighting, and came across what looked like the creatures
home hidden in caves in the mountains. He was never
aggressive towards me, but I heard from other locals that
at times he has been aggressive towards them. One time,
I was fishing with a friend when we saw what
looked like a dog sitting on a rock and that
we were approaching by the water. As we got closer
to it and instead began to look like a lion
or a bear to me. Then all of a sudden,
it stood up and I realized it was the ukuma.
I warned my friend so he could be cautious, but
he got startled and scared the creature off, who ran
up the hill. We thought the coast was clear, but
then the creature threw a big rock at my friend
from the top of the mountain. It moved really fast.
I was not expecting that, and then almost also said,
I'm convinced the creature only bothers those who bother it.
But if you leave it alone, it'll leave you alone.
That sounds right. I was gonna before you said it
through the rock, I was gonna say, see, it's more
scared of us than we are of it. And then
it threw the rock, and I was like, never mind,
but the friend startled it so kind of the friends
started it. True. True, you're right, You're right. When asked
if he's open to seeing the creature again, Ramos told
a reporter that, unlike other times, he would like to
bring a camera with him next time he goes looking
for the Yukumaar so he could stamp a picture of
it and prove to everyone that it's real. And somehow
that camera is just going to fail. Oh yeah, but yeah,
that's it. That's the Oh my god. I don't say
the cryptids like crap, the crap like damn at least
like what you're reading. I am, what's going on? Those
are the cryptids from today. I just can't talk, apparently,
I guess when I'm really tired, I can't talk. Yeah. Yeah,
I'm more inclined to believe the first one than the kuman. Yeah.
Sometimes it's people looking things are like some sort of
monkey that we just don't know, like some sort of primate,
you know. Yeah, I guess it could be. But honestly,
I believe anything, So I believe in both of them.
I don't want to run into them, that's for sure. Same. Okay, Well,
we'll take a quick ad break here and then when
we come back, we'll get into my depressing house case
and we're back again. My case is infuriating and it
does involve well, we'll just get into it. We'll just
get Is there any mornings you want to give people? Well,
someone's murdered. I'm sorry, but nothing more than that. I
don't think just murder today, yeah, just murder. But it
does involve the murder of an undocumented person by a citizen.
I hate crime. Yeah, no, I'm just getting everything now.
Wow wow wow wow, yeah all right, so man. Yes.
On November eighth, two thousand and eight, two world clash,
a group of white teens from an all American town,
all American high school, all flag star football members or
teams whatever, team players, that's the word. I'm looking for,
football players, red flag, all American town, red flag. It's
it's in Texas. No, actually, okay, okay, yeah right, that's
the last thing we needed for the trifecta. These teens
attack two undocumented men today. I'm Karina murder of Marcelo Lucero.
Have you heard of this? I don't think so. I
was shocked. Let me share how I came across this.
First One night, I just couldn't sleep, and sometimes I
start looking for whatever is available on Libby to start reading,
and then I know I'm not going to find directed.
Oh I do finish, yeah, but yeah, that's how I
came across this book and how I learned about this kids,
because I had no idea how this happened. So Marcello
was born in Guaalaceo, a small town in Ecuador, and
like so many others, he left to support his family.
His father died when he was eight, and he became
the main breadwinner of the family in right around middle school.
That is so young, so young, yeah, and a very
common story. This led him to leave his hometown at
the age of twenty one to try and help his
family more by heading to the USA. So Marcello left
home on November two, nineteen ninety three, around eight am
with one thousand dollars in his back pocket and two
sets of clothing and a small backpack. That's what he
took with him. His sisters and brothers all lined up
to hug him goodbye. When he got to his mom
to hug her goodbye, he lowered his head so she
could give him mund On a blessing, and at first
she didn't want him to go because that was her
oldest boy. It was like they were literally attached at
the hip. He would follow her all over the house,
like when she was doing chores. He was literally like
just right behind her, also doing chores actually, but just
always with his mom. And so he had actually tried
to make the trip once before, and he asked his
mom for help to ask around if anyone would let
him borrow money so he can save up the to leave,
and she was like, no, no one's helping you, but
that's because she didn't want him to leave. She didn't
even ask anyone. But the second time, they really needed it,
like they needed the money, and so his sister talked
to his mom to help her convince her that he
needed to go to the US. It's something that he
wanted to do to help them. When he was leaving,
everyone and including him, everyone was crying, Yeah, such a
sad thing, Like I can't Yeah, it's not obviously not
the same feeling, but I feel like whenever I leave Mexico,
I am so sad to leave everyone. Yeah, and just
imagine that meaning like ten times more like yeah, yeah, no,
I was gonna say the same thing. So, after a
very long journey, he arrived in the town of patchog
Long Island, and so many have migrated from Gua Lasao
to Patchog. That Gua Laso is now known as Little Patchog.
Really that's interesting. It's so interesting to see where people
from what towns, where they in what countries? Yeah, where
they end up. A lot of Ecuadorians end up in
the east coast, uh and that town specifically, it was
like I forget of the like it was like a
number of that year that I from the book, but
it was like of these five thousand people that migrated,
like four thousand ended up in Patchog, Like it was
that specific that everybody just goes there, which is it
was just wild. Yeah to see that. Then, yeah, he
went there too. So he worked different low paying jobs
over the years. Most of that money he did send
back home because all of this was to help them.
And so thanks to his money, his family was able
to buy some land and build a three story house.
And like in his childhood there were nice he had
to go hungry because they had no food. Wow, they
were so poor, and now they had a three story
house like because of him. Amazing. Yeah, his mom, his sister,
and nephew all lived there and he was so excited
and to be able to do this for them. He
had been working for so long and at age thirty seven,
he was tired. He now wanted to go back home
be more present in his nephew's life. He had just
told his brother Rosselo that it was time for him
to go back to their hometown, and Hosselo even said
he would take them to their airport. He was planning
on leaving just before Christmas as a present for his mom,
like he was the Christmas present, and it's like that
would have been beautiful, but unfortunately he never got to leave.
He didn't get to No, I hate this world. Cry,
I'm probably gonna cry. That's a point immigration starts, of
people never getting to go back home. It's something that
just like hugely affects both of us. Yeah yeah, yeah,
so there might we might cry and I don't care,
but yeah, Hoselo never got to give his brother that
ride to the airport because, uh, November eight doesn't eight.
Marcelo called his friend and Helocha, who side note had
was also from Wassaleo and grew up with Marcelo. They
knew each other since they were five, so he called
him to go out that night and and Hell at
first was like, I don't feel like it. But Marcelo
signed lonely and like he anxious, he needed to be
with someone and so and he agreed. And like I said,
they were friends from childhood, they their moms were friends,
and so he could tell his friend needed him that day.
In the book it goes more into detail on their
lives back in Ecuador and all that, but he could tell, yeah,
that Marcello needed him. So the Para friends went to dinner.
They had a few beers, they smoked, some wheed together,
and then they parted ways. It was getting late and
they knew it was dangerous for Latino men to be
out past a certain time because during this time like
a fun downtown is that they call them. So pretty
much like very similar because from this year there was
a spike of hate crimes on Latinos. Remind me of
what year this is. It's a late ninety two thousand
and eight, dude, that's like kind of recent, Like yeah,
it's not high school during that time, Like yeah for
it to be like I knew it was recent, but
my mind, I hear that, my mind go to like
the fifties, right, that's wild, Like it's not well, it's
obviously it happens, but like it's just it's just I
can't comprehend it. I guess because I because we grew
up in Oakland, right and right, you know, it's such
a diverse city. I guess you could say. I mean,
like we said, didn't feel othered until I came to Modesto,
and even then it's a very Mexican Yeah, yeah, but yeah,
it's it's just odd to me. But yeah, they're having
a spike in hate crimes towards Latinos, which a lot
of a lot of it went unreported because they feared
reporting it because of their undocumented status. What's going on
around this time? It was youre like a like a spike,
oh immigrant minutemen the oh right, I'm sorry again, I
thought this was in the late nineties. We're talking this
time period of anti immigration rhetoric rising. You're right, You're right.
In my mind again, I was like in the nineties,
but it was two thousand and eight, yeah, all to well,
and certain someone from Arizona was making the rounds on
the news during this time. Yeah. And also at the
same time, people were more and more migrants were leaving
the cities where they all you know, usually lived the
big cities and heading towards these little towns like Patchog
and so there was suddenly an increase in immigrants. And
so then all these white people were like afraid because
oh my god, look at these to them as Mexicans.
Yeah yeah, And so there had been a bunch of
attacks on Latino men and the surrounding small towns and
that town. But more they they thought it happened more
in like this bigger town that was next to them.
So they were like aware, but they hadn't personally seen it.
But and Hill was like, you know what, we shouldn't
be out this late. What tech did you say or
do do you not say? This is around? Say then yeah,
we gotta go. And so they were walking to friend's
house when they saw seventeens walking toward them. Seventeens yes, seven,
I'm sorry because it sounds like seventeenagers right myself. Okay,
that's why I said teenagers. Now, see adolescentis yes, seven
youth seven street youth youths. Yeah. Yeah. So they were
walking toward them and they looked like trouble right away,
like they were up to no good. And next thing
they knew Ankhela and Marcello were surrounded by these teens.
They didn't know at the time, but these teens were
Anthony Hartfold, Jordan Dash, Christopher Olverton, Nicholas Hajsh, Kevin Shea,
Jeffrey Conroy, and Jose Pacheco. Jose, I hope you're in
hell right now. No, because what are you doing there? Jose?
He was a half Puerto Rican half black. Oh my god,
I cannot. The rest of them are white. So all
of them star athletes from the local high school. On paper,
seemingly good, all American teens, right again, red flag, oh
to me and you. Yeah. So three of the teens
began to yell insults at Ankel and Marcello. They yelled
things like fucking Mexicans, beanners, fucking illegals, you come to
this country to take our money. You get out of
this country. They're not even Mexican, but to them, they
don't care. I know, Oh my god. And first of all,
it's like take over, Like, bitch, you're seventeen, you don't work,
you don't contribute to this. You're not supporting a family
like they are, Like what are you doing? You play football? Yeah,
you're just repeating that hateful rhetoric that you hear from
the horrible adults in your life who are all pieces
of shit, and they're raising little pieces of shits. Yeah,
not to mention like you and I know this, but
like there's some countless studies that have proven that immigrants
are good for the economy. Yes, and even if they weren't,
like stopping into the fucking hater no, even if though
they are, Yeah, but but there are. But so yeah,
they were yelling things like that, Marcello and I hell
yelled back, and Marcello took off his jacket like he
was getting ready to fight. That's when one of the teens,
Kevin Shaya, punched him and then they all started to swing.
After that, I kid was able to escape because their
plan was not to fight back. They were like, let's
just run, but Marcello was like, no, I'm fighting. He's
sending it for himself. But just like hindsight, like but
he don't know, he didn't expect no, you know, of
course did on he'll expect to be none of them.
But yeah, so I had like an heel, played a
lot of basketball back in their little hometown of Guileo,
and so he did this insanely high jump to get
away from them. Wow, and like he like jumped, tucked
and roll and hid behind like a house and he
kept yelling for marcel to follow. But even if Marcello wanted,
at that point he was surrounded, he couldn't get away. God.
And you know if ann Hill would have stepped back
in to defend or try to help, he would have
been killed too. Yeah yeah, God, I just already have chisen.
I'm already like so sad. Yeah. Yeah. Marcello was on
the floor and the teens were all kicking him. Marcello
tried to fight back, even on the floor, like he
was like trying, Like this is so likeable, you know
what I mean, Like I remember, I feel like I know,
like jumping and stuff like that occurs obviously like everywhere,
but I feel like one of the things that like
and even when our dad like told us and taught
us about fighting, right and like something I don't know
like I feel and Okay, also like in Friday, right
when I feel like you don't know where I'm going
with this and I don't know where you're going with this,
And in Friday when Ice Tube is about to shoot,
what's his name, you know, the big tall guy, the
villain of the movie got his name. Yes, yeah, and
then yeah, I think so it sounds right. And then
his dad as keep his dad is like no, like
the gun is for cowards, like fight like a man,
like fight right, and like the same thing like our
dad told us, like like about fighting fair. And it's
like this code I guess of the street that people
used to follow somewhat I don't know. Yeah, it was
to fight fair, yeah, fight fair. And in what Marcello
was trying, he was following that, yes, yeah, that code. Yeah,
but the Seventh Street youths hooligan, these wild hooligans who
have no respect for people, who are hateful and discussing
little ships and I don't know, are from the bourb
some brutal, fucking hicktown sorry not sorry, and have no loyalty,
no respect and no code. They didn't follow that, you
know what I mean, And they say that weird, you know,
the brown people are the savages, like no, yeah, oh yeah, okay,
I was wondering where you were going with that. But
now that that's there, yeah, it makes sense. Yeah. So yeah,
this whole time he's trying to fight back at some
point the teams back away from him. Marcello was able
to stand up and he took off his belt and
started swing it to try and defend himself with his
belt buckle, like trying to just keep them away. And
when he did this, Kevin Shaya, one of the teens,
yelled for the rest of them to surround Marcelo, and
as they were closing in on him, Marcello continued to
swing his belt to try and get away, and his
belt ended up hitting Jeffrey Conroy. This made Jeffrey Conroy
super mad, and he's like, he pulled out his knife
and all I say, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, no,
Also just like let this man go. You got hit
when you're jumping him exactly. He wouldn't have felt the
need to do that if it wasn't seven against one,
you know what I mean? Yeah, but no, Jeffrey stabbed
Marcello in the between his shoulder and chest is where
he stamped him. And so then after he did that,
Jeffrey yelled like we have to go, we have to leave,
and so they all ran off, leaving Marcello on the
floor and Hell was afraid that their attackers would come back.
And he was trying to yell from where he was hiding,
like Marcello, come here, come here, Marcelo, Marcello. Imagine him
witnessing this. Yeah, it's it's terrible. And then it's having
the hope that his friends arrived. Yeah. Yeah, he never
saw other knife. He could only that's why he had thought. Yeah, yeah,
like oh they're gone now, like come on, come here,
come here. Meanwhile, the teens walked off. They were all
talking to each other like, oh, we'll help you get
rid of the knife to Jeffrey Conroy. Jeffrey Conroy for
amusing refuse, but he did clean it off in a
puddle and put it back in his pocket, probably planning
to further use this on more Latino men, like he
had of violence on his mind. Yeah. Blood. So in
the meantime, back with ang Helen, Marcelo and He'll continued
to call to his friend, and he also hoped someone
had overheard everything and called the police. No one had.
Marcello surprisingly was able to get up. He staggered towards
Ankel and that's finally when a saw just his shirt
soaked in blood, and Marcello fell into his arms. And
as he fell he was like, I'm not okay, call
nine one one. That's when Ah had tried to get
his phone to call nine one one, but his phone
was dead. It was he was able to call, and
then it died. They tried calling him back, there was
no answer, so he had to leave Marcello like lay
him down and run to the friend's house that they
were heading to, which was right there, luckily, but they
had to leave him there run to tell his friend
to call nine one and he did. They arrived like
eightish minutes later something like that. When the cops arrived,
they took their time helping Marcello. Akeel was begging, like
help him, help him with his broken English, begging them
to help, but because they don't care, no TP all day.
I swear to God, like, I yeah, I'm done. I'm
really I'm not listening to the rest of this believing. No,
you have to. I wrote it all and I'm upset too,
so you have to hear it, Okay, So they the
officers continued to uh interrogate I head about the attackers instead,
and you know, after some a ton of begging on
his part, ridiculous, one officer finally walked to his car
grabbed a rag, but then he just threw it on
Marcello's wound. Dude, what the fuck is wrong with these assholes?
I don't, I don't you know what? I don't know? Wait?
Am I wrong? There is right, a fairly recent Supreme
Court ruling that basically said the cops don't have to
help us. There is right. There is after that woman
was being stocked and they didn't reinforce the restraining order,
and that's when the ruling came from that case. So literally,
there's no point of calling them because they're not here
to help us. They don't honesty, he I think he
wanted an ambulance. Yeah, yeah, So this officer grabbed a
rack threw it on Marcellos's wound, although a year later
in court, he testified that he applied pressure to the wound,
but I didn't also, Yeah, yeah, I had maintained his
story that they didn't do anything, and I believe him.
I believe him too fully. Yeah. Then officers forced on
him to go with them to the station to further
interrogate him about he's being treated like a criminal when
he's the victim of a crime. And this is so typical,
so typical. Oh yeah, so when he left, the ambulance
still hadn't arrived. Turns out it took them thirty minutes
to get there. Apparently this is a very tiny town.
All the ambulance like force. They're all volunteers except one person.
My god, And because they're all volunteers, like, it's a
little iffy with their certifications and what they can and
can't do. So the ambulance that eventually did arrive was
not certified to do any life advance support the point, yeah,
what is the point of even having them? I understand,
like he placed to hell limited resources, but no place
should have limited resources like that. No, no, of course not.
The one person that was qualified to do advanced life
support had an inactive license. Wow, his license lapsed and
so he had to he wasn't allowed to do anything.
So they would have been there for days to transform him. Yeah,
pretty much. Eventually they did get him onto the ambulance,
but they also had to stop and pick up the
only actual person that could do anything because they were licensed.
Oh my god. Would not have been faster to just
go to the hospital, Like how far is it? Like?
How far is the hospital? I feel like there's not
even a local hospital hospital was four miles away. It
would have been so much faster. They just got him
to the freaking hospital. Wow. They also because of his wound,
they decided that he needed a high, higher level of
care that their hospital would have provided, and they prepared
like this evac by air. But by the time that
they got to the high school where the landings for
the helicopter would have been, Marcello was no longer His
heart wasn't beating anymore. And so at that point the
air metavac is going to do. They're not gonna take him.
He needs to have like a pulse. Yeah, I'm so upset.
Maybe if they would have taken not taken as long. Yeah, no,
one hundred percent, Like this is this is not like
a stab wound to the cranium, Like this is a
stab wound too, But there was like so many like
missteps intentionally by the cops who could have provided pressure
to the wound. Yeah, and they didn't because they don't
give a buck. And then this this would have been
like yeah its people. Yeah, yeah, but this is an injury,
but it's not like it shouldn't have been life threatening.
He could have survived. Yeah, he could have. So because
now that he couldn't be air metovac, they had to
go back to the hospital. Oh my god, just wasting
more time of his So basically it took him over
an hour to get to a hospital that was a
mile four miles away. This is like the most stupid
and competition shit I've heard, like in a long time. Yeah.
So by the time they were able to get him
into the hospital and all that, it was too late.
He was announced course dead at one on nine am. Yeah,
I'm sorry, Like his death is on the hands of
course of those seventeenagers, also on the cops and honestly
the ambulance people, because they did act incompetently. Like I know,
they're trying their best, but their best is not good enough. Yeah,
And I'm like, okay, one of you could have at
least like applied pressure. You didn't have to. I don't know.
It's just crazy to me. And I mean it's crazy
to me because I mean I was a medic and yeah, me,
and this is something that we could have handled as
medics in the army. Yeah, And it's just wild to
me that someone responding to a nine on one call
in an ambulance couldn't have to take care of this, Like, yeah,
I don't understand. So, yeah, he he passed away at
one on nine am. During all this, the teens were
picked up. Not it was very fast. They were picked
up like minutes after the police, right because they weren't
even far from the location. The description. Also, I don't
understand why. And he even needed to go to the
police station because they needs right away off the description No,
yeah too, just because they were treating him like a
like a criminal. Yeah, And they walked up to the
teens all nice and they're like, what are you guys
doing now? So Donald's households. Jeffrey Conroy, the one who
stabbed at Marcello, walked up to one of the cops
and he told him I stabbed that Mexican. Again, he's
not a Mexican. Not all that denos are Mexican. Okay. Yeah,
he straight up confessed to him on site and then
he was like, all right, well do you have the knife?
He took it out. He's like, but that knife's not bloody,
like trying to say, are you sure you stabbed this man?
Literally just confessed and now you're trying to him. Yeah,
they're trying to talk about his confession, so they took
him into the station. Good at this. At the station,
Jeffrey Conroy asked, what are the detectives if this was
going to be a problem for wrestling season. Fucking idiot.
Of course, yeah, your ass is gonna be in jail hopefully.
The detective was like, buddy, forget about wrestling season. You've
got bigger problems. Stupid, it's so stupid, but it's like,
these are idiot, like little teenagers who don't think things through.
You pair that with racist asks, xenophobic beliefs, and violence.
Fuck yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. So during Jeffrey Conroy's interrogation,
they found out that the teens did this regularly. This
was something they called beaner hopping or Mexican hopping. Oh
my god, which is basically beating anyone up to them
that to them look like a Mexican. Wow. Yeah, did
this at least once a week. Oh my god. This
just happened to be the first person that killed Yeah.
It was somewhere during a break of interrogating Jeffrey that
one of the detectives stepped out and Anghelo was finally
being led. He was finally a was still there. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
And so as he was walking out, he asked, hey,
is my friend okay, and that's when he found out
he was not alive anymore. The detective was like, I'm
sorry he didn't make it. He could have been with
his friend in his final moments, but instead the stupid
comps decided to treat him like a criminal when he
was a victim of these violent teenagers and they held
him there for no reason. Hm. So Marcello passed away
at one on nine am. This was around four am.
That's when he finally went out. What happened to his friend?
I can't believe it. As the rest of the teams
were interrogated, more and more came out. They had been
responsible for an earlier attack on a different undocumented man
earlier that day involving the bb gun. Luckily no one
was seriously hurt, and the Marimo came out they had
been responsible for several attacks over several months on different
men in this area. Wow, again, this is what they
did for fun. Look for people that to them looked
Mexican and attack them. There was a service held in
Patchog on November fifteenth, one week after Marcello's's murder. For Marcello,
four hundred and fifty two people attended wow the service
because it wor got out about this being a hate
crime right away, and how he was getting ready to leave,
like he wasn't even going to be here anymore. That
is so horrible. Yeah, it took more than thirty minutes
to get his coffin into the hearset to transport because
people were just surrounding it trying to pay their respects.
The body of Marcello Lucero arrived in Guallaceo on November nineteenth,
a Wednesday, and a coffin draved with the flag of Ecuador.
It had arrived in Quito first, then transported two hundred
miles to Guallaceo. In Guallaceo, people received his body holding
signs in Spanish that said no toy racism, no human
being is illegal and Ecuadora is a country of peace.
There was a three day procession in his honor. Hundreds
of people walked alongside him. His friends took turns carrying
his casket and hundreds of people walked alongside. The mayor
called for a for three days of morning and people
were giving a day off to go to the funeral,
and the whole town was at his funeral. This part
destroyed me. No, I'm not ready, mies already, watery. I
know this is why I want you. I want you,
so okay, hold on, let me take a few break. Okay, okay, okay,
all right. When Marcello's mom, doniar Ro Sadrio, saw her
son in the casket, she didn't recognize him because he
had left a young, thin man with you know, a
bunch of hair, her luscious black hair acne. Yeah, because
he was twenty twenty one and this person in the
casket was now a grown man, taller than she remembered,
a lot less hair, more wrinkles. Again, look in my
eyes now, brought tishoes with me. It's just it just
hits so, it hits so close to home. I just
remember my mom, our mom, my mom my mom. I
just remember our mom telling us how she couldn't recognize
our siblings because they were children, and now they had children,
and now those children are all adults. Yeah, and it's
not how she left them, you know. And to her,
they even though she saw pictures, she saw videos, to her,
they were still the same age from she left, and
so I can only imagine what Dona Rosadio was feeling
when this is not the person that she said goodbye
to all those years ago. It was so upstigning. It
is it is he was laid to rest on the
first floor of the house that he so proudly built
for his family. That now those our tissue palls. So okay,
Now back to these fuckheads, these shit asses. Six of
the seventeenagers who attacked Lucetto were arraigned in the Soffolk
County Criminal Court. They were charged with multiple counts of gain,
assault and hate crimes, not only for Lucetto's death, but
also for other assaults that were committed against other Latino
men et Torcierra, Octavio Cordobo. The judge sent bail for
five of the seventeens at two hundred and fifty thousand
dollars cash or five hundred thousand dollars bond. Chris Overton,
one of the teens, was denied bail because he previously
he had a previous felony conviction for the two thousand
and seven bulgar le Oh my god, burglary, yes burglary,
thank you of an other immigrant A Jamaican immigrant. They
broke into Jamaican immigrant mother who was working like two jobs. Wow,
so he already had that felony. And the teenagers, one
by one they were let into the courtroom. Their friends
and parents were there like on their side still and
Luscetto's family and friends were also there. The other person,
the seventh that was now part of that group, was
charged one week later with second degree murder and manslaughter
as a heat crime. That was Jeffrey Conroy who stamned him.
He received a harsher sentence because he's actually stammed him.
He had also partaken in the attacks of the two
other men, and that was tacked on to him as well.
All these teens pleaded not guilty. Like, what do you mean,
it's all there, you confessed, Bob Conroy. Jeffrey Conroy's father
felt like the treatment of his son and the teens
was unfair. Fuck you and your son truly a shit.
You created this monster, you bitch. Yeah, it's where did
he learn these beliefs? You know? Yeah, obviously somewhere, so
his father, Bob Conroy said. The following jeff was ostracized
by the press. He was used as a poster boy.
Of everything that's wrong with this country about legal immigration.
It all fell on the back of teenagers, on my
son's back. Well maybe they should have done what they did, sir,
how about that side note? But his precious boy, his
son has a Swazika tattoo on his diye from this
or from prison? No, before all this? Okay, Wow, I'm shocked. Yeah,
I mean like I shouldn't be, but I am. Wow. Yeah,
and again is the funny you and your son? Yeah,
probably your dad too. Yeah. On April nineteen ten, Jeffrey
Conroy was found guilty if manslaughter as a hate crime
and ging assault. He was also convicted of the attempted
assault on three other Latino men and separate incidents that
took place in the summer of the same year two
thousand and eight. He was acquitted of the second degree
murder as a hate crime because that would have put
him in prison for life. What the fuck? Why? Yeah,
I don't know, I don't know. Stupid jury. Probably. Yeah.
He's currently serving time at the Clinton Correctional Facility in Danimora,
New York. When the sentence was read, Bob Conroy yelled,
he was fucking seventeen. You think this is mercy for
crying out loud. He doesn't deserve mercy. Dow the fuck
at him. I'm procartle state right now. He does not
deserve it. He was out for blood that night. He
found two victims and he killed one of them. He
doesn't deserve it. In his first attack on Latino man
and he has a swatka. Yeah excuse me, literally, white supremacist.
Why else would you get that time? Oh, all of
a sudden, he deserves mercy, Like I'm sorry, no, why no? Why? Yeah?
What about Marcello, you know exactly like he took someone's life, Yeah,
on purpose, because what do you do when you stab somebody?
You know what I mean? Like I understand legally it's
not murder. Oh but yeah, you know, I don't care
he killed someone intentionally. He wasn't even that close to
like so you know, Marcello was looking the bell and
he was walking as he was swinging. So after he
got hit, Marcello continued to move and Jeffrey Conroy had
to pull out his knife and then walk several feet
with his knife in front of him, like leading the way,
like wow, So it was even like a quick like
oh bam, let me take out my knife. Like he
had to walk several feet with a knife in his
hand in order to stab Marcello. Marcello's back was facing
Jeffrey Conroy and he quickly turned around as if he
sensed what was about to happen, and that's when he
was stabbed in the shoulder, sash, chest. But he was
he was getting away, like he easily could have let
him leave, you know. Yeah, but no. Anyways, Yeah, that's
what a little Bob Conroy said about his little Nazi son. Wow,
Jeffrey Conroy is eligible for par role in twenty thirty.
He'll be thirty nine by then. His dad, Bob Conroy
still believes that the sentence was bullshit. I hope that
he stays there, honestly, because that's like pretty young. Still,
he can still be if he has not reformed, which
probably he hasn't. Yeah, he can still be out there
like stabbing people, you know. Yeah, that's two years older
than Marcelo was at the time of his murder. In
August twenty ten, the State Supreme Court Justice Robert W.
Doyle sentenced the one of the teens to seven years
in prison. Oh Jose Jose Pacheco to seven years in prison.
Nicholas hash was sentenced to five years, Chris Overton received
six years. The four others were already sentenced seven years.
Two of them had shorter sentences because they weren't involved
in the other assaults, only Marcello's, So in total they
basically had five to seven years serving an except for
what's his name, Jeffrey Conroy who served twenty five years.
And the family, the Marcelo or Marcello's family. They're trying
to file a lawsuit for the state of New York
for failing to protest. So hard to do that from
out of the country. Yeah, it is. It was dismissed.
I know, it's shouldn't be. I feel like they should
have they should they should be able to wash. Yeah. Yeah,
it was one hundred percent preventable. Like two months after
this happened, there was another similar attack that also took
the life of another immigrant. Are you serious? Yeah, Like Hosselo,
Marcello's brother, was on record like when he spoke to
the media and he said, like he hoped that this
would be the last attack of this kind, and of
course it wasn't. And I mean, look at uh the
el Paso shooting that we've already covered, but the same rhetoric,
same beliefs that inspired that dumb ass, braces ass person
to do the same think, but at a worse level. Right,
but these are still a mass level. Yeah yet mass
think you. Yeah, but the same beliefs behind the violence. Yeah, exactly,
and it's only getting worse. And it's such a I
mean we say this every time we talk about like
something that's like violence against immigrants, but like it's such
an important always, but such an important time now because
of the you know, intelect the climate, yeah yeah, and
the you know, same hateful rhetoric that's like more visible
than it was back then. I think more, I think so, Yeah,
I think I feel like although back then it was
common likes, I like all the laws that were you know,
being not pasted but like trying to become like the
miniment on the news, all right, but it was I
feel like it was more fringe still. Yeah, you didn't
see the president on President elects on a camera saying
how these are all rapists and criminals and that they
need to be sobbed, right, it was like more subtle.
The racism now it's yeah, it's like over in your face,
extremely hateful. I mean, heeds I heard thriatening to uh
take away the citizenship birthright citizenship. Yeah so I don't know,
like yeah wueno has another president ever said that that
wasn't in the Fifth Rights? You know what I mean?
Like right right? So yeah, I mean and this is
this was all all for what? You know, like all
for what for? These these these teens, they learned these
beliefs somewhere. They didn't just wake up one day and
you know, decide to be hateful little shits, right, So yeah,
just uh it's important to talk about the these cases
with that lens. I know people are like, eh, I
don't get political, but it truthfully it is. This was
a literal time. Yeah, everything is political, just if you
feel like it's not because it hasn't affected your life.
But what I'm wondering is, like immigrants or children of immigrants,
how has it not affected your life? Like that is
my question? Well that's what I was gonna say. Like
also the same thing you said, And yeah, if you're
a children child of immigrants and you're out there, you know,
spouting this shit, I know that calling you dumb is
not going to change your mind. But I'm sorry you
are dumb, but get it together. Look at what happened
to Marcello. Yeah yeah, and also you came from like
if you're spouting this bullshit and your parents are quote illegal,
like the president lecause I hear threatening to take away
also your citizenship, So like, yeah, what did you think
was gonna happen? Like you thought you were safe because
you're spouting this bullshit. That was the case with Marcelo Lucero.
I didn't want to share that. There is a documentary
about this called Deputized Como Budo Basad. And the book
I read where all of this is basically from is
Hunting Season, Immigration and Murder in in all American town
by And the book goes so much more in depth
into their life in Ecuador, their friendships, the family, the
journey from Ecuador to uh Patchog. It's it's so good,
So I highly highly recommend the book. This was just
like a tiny, you know, little snippet of it. But yeah,
that was the that infuriading case. We'll take a little
break here and then come back with speak your recommendations.
Oh right, do you have any speak your recommendations? Let
me see I don't remember, Okay. In the meantime, while
you're looking for your speak, your recommendation, I do have
one and I first I messaged Carmen when I finished
this show and I was like, wow, we should watch
this show, and you know, she told me that she
had already watched it, and I was like, I already
forgot this. What is this about? Dark Winds? Oh? Yeah,
it's on Netflix and a mc either one. But it
follows a tribal policeman. You forgot his name in the show. Joe,
isn't it Joe Joe or Joe one of those one
of that too. But he's like a tribal policeman in
every show ever and I love him and Longmire and
Reservation Dogs, which have you seen? To watch that? I
didn't know he was in that. My god, I can
believe there's so many there's a crossover of actors for
Reservation Dogs and Dark Winds. But the first season is
so spooky and it's like it's a little witchy. It's
so creepy some of the scenes with Yeah, I mean
the witch there's a wary Yeah, she's very cy Yeah.
The second season is less I think spiritual. There's still
some spiritual elements though elements, Yeah, not as much as
the first season. It's still good though, but yeah, I
mean it's so good and like, how often can we
say there's like an all all star indigenous cast like
Starry in this show. It's all about it's it's just
it's so good. So highly recommend that show. Also, I
was rais surprised to see Dwight in it. He's a
car salesman. Oh, yeah, me too. Anytime we see Dwight anywhere,
I'm like, it's tweight, it's tight. Yeah, and that that
he doesn't like that. Oops, I don't care. I was
watching an interview with him and the guy from Breaking
Bad who probably also no. No. He was like, no,
I love it. I love that my fans can recognize
me and see me as this role. And it's like,
it's just it's like very honor. It feels like an
honor blah blah blah. And Dwight was like, really, Rain Wilson, sorry,
sorry Dwight, Rain and Wilson. Yeah, he was like, oh,
I feel like sometimes it makes me feel stuck to
the character. Blah blah blah. He doesn't like it at all.
But Heisenberg from Breaking Bad, does or do you know that?
That from Mac him in the middle whatever? Oh, okay,
I didn't know his name in Breaking Back. I never
got into Breaking Bed. That's right, Brian, Brian something Creston's
I just know that, No, hum I said. I asked
if that was his actual name. Yeah, yeah, okay, but yeah,
that's my spooky recommendation. Okay, yeah, I was looking through
my when I finished reading on Stargraph, and I do
have a spooky recommendation. I listened and finished the audiobook
So Thirsty by Rachel Harrison. It was it was pretty good.
I saw some bad reviews and I was like, well,
tweets your own. I really liked it. Let me find
vampire related. Yeah it is. Did you read it for
a vampire media episode that we still have through? Not really.
I didn't read it because of that, but I because
I like, I just tag always what I want to
read on Libby, and then after I finished something, I
see what's available now, and it was available, and that's
how why I read it. Okay, but there was books
that could have chosen, but I chose it because I'm like, oh,
I want to read something vampiriy for that so partly
because of that? Yeah? Okay, So the description a woman
was learned to take life by the throat after a
night out leads to irv damn. How does he say
this word? Irvect irvocable? No, that's wrong, don't. I can't
iravect era, I can't whatever changes in this juicy, thrilling
novel from the USA Today bestselling author of Such Sharp
Teeth and Black Sheep? Have you read those? No? Okay,
I hear like mixed stuff about black sheep, But I
think I hear mostly good things about such sharp Teeth.
Such short teep is like a werewolf one. So, Sloane
Parker is dritting her birthday. She doesn't need a reminder
she's getting older or that she's feeling indifferent about her
own life. Her husband surprises her with their birthday we
can get away, not with him, but with Sloan's a
long time best friend, turbomaker extraordinaire Naomi. Sloane anticipates a
weekend of wine tastings and cozy robes and strategic avoidance
of issues she'd rather not confront, like her husband's repeated infidelity.
But when they arrive at their rental, it becomes clear
Naomi has something else in mind. She wants the loan
to stop letting things happen to her, force Loan to
really live. So Naomi orchestrates a wild night out with
a group of mysterious strangers. Those strangers are vampires, okay,
only for it to take a horrifying turn that changes
Loans and Naomi's lives literally forever. The friends are forced
to come to terms with some pretty eternal consequences, and
this bloody, seductive novel about how it's never too late
to find satisfaction, even though it might taste different than expected.
I don't know. I love a story of two best friends.
Yeah you do? Yeah? Yeah, I love a happy ending.
What can I say? You know? Some people were like, oh,
it's so unrealistic, and I'm like, you're reading a story
about vampires. Why do you expect something to be realistic.
I liked it. It was funny. Sometimes at first, I
feel like some of the other batter views I saw,
they were complaining that the main character is like just
feel sorry for herself the whole time, and she literally
at one point says that she just wants to be
a victim, like play victim or whatever, and that spoilers obviously.
Once she turns into a vampire, she can't play victim
anymore because she's a powerful vampire and she doesn't like
that too powerful. Yeah, I just want to be a
sad little bit. Yeah. Basically that's what she's that's her
character development. And I liked it. I don't know. It
was funny, interesting at times, very entertaining. I feel like
for audiobooks, I'm not looking for something profound. I'm looking
for something entertaining because I'm listening to it, you know
what I mean. Yeah, And I never once thought I
was it was boring. Okay, what else I listened to?
I guess it's more like mystery, but it's a mystery romance.
The book is called the most Wonderful Crime of the Year,
very like murder mystery type thing. Fun Let me find
that description real quick, Okay. So it says knives out
gets a holiday roum come twist, and this rivals to
lovers of romance mystery from New York Times bestselling author
Ellie Carter. And then it says the bridge is out,
the phone darted down, and the most famous mystery writer
in the world just disappeared out of a locked room
three days before Christmas. Meet Maggie Chase and Ethan Wyatt.
She's the new queen of the Cozy Mystery. He's mister
big time thriller guy. She hates his guts. He thinks
her name is Marcy, no matter how many times she's
told him otherwise. But when they both accept a cryptic
invitation to attend a Christmas house party at the English
estate of a reclusive fan, neither is expecting their host
to be the most powerful author in the world, Eleanor Ashley,
the Duchess of death herself to her author world. Okay,
that night the weather turns, and the next morning, Eleanor
is gone. She vanished from a locked room, and Maggie
has to wonder is Eleanor in danger or is it
all some kind of test? Is Ethan the competition or
is he the only person in that snowbounded mansion she
can trust. As the snow gets deeper and the stakes
get higher, every clue will bring Maggie and Ethan closer
to the truth and each other. Because this Christmas, these
two rivals are going to have to become allies, and
maybe more if they have any hope of saving eleanor
assuming they don't kill each other first. Very cute. I
like that. I've been listening and reading trying to at
least some Christmas related I saw your stoograph. Yeah, and
don't get at me about not reading anything else. I
haven't started the book of the book. My plan is
to start it after I finish the Panama Oh okay,
but see, like reading these other things doesn't take away
from the Panama book, because the Panama Book I have
to like highlight, take notes, write and actual like focus
and studying and shit. And so I listen to autobooks
when I'm walking or driving, and then my kindle I
started reading either only in bed, right, I read like
a few pages when I wake up and a few
pages before I sleep, and then when I ride my
little bicycle. So I become one of those people that
has a book for every like activity and place in
the house. I love that for you. Yeah, pretty, it's
pretty cool. Yeah. Also sorry, I don't think I ever
talked about. For my work book club, we read Never
Lie by Freedom McFadden, and she like has hell of books.
But people like I don't know, they say she's like
a trashy writer. I guess I'm not a trashy writer.
But it's like yeah, like it's nothing meaningful, you know,
it's just yeah, yeah, just like like a fun little read.
I guess, yeah, exactly. Yeah. Anyway, I read Never Lie
and it's a thriller, of course, and it was so ridiculous,
but it was entertaining, Like I really liked it. I
read it. It's fun and okay. Also for me, when
I read stuff like four doesn't mean like it's amazing profound,
like that's five. I say that for five. Four means
I loved it. But it could be a ridiculous, a
ridiculous plot that's so unrealistic, you know what I mean.
Like to me, that doesn't matter. If I'm entertained and
I loved it and I would read read it or
maybe not. I don't know. If I had a good time,
it's a four. If I had a decent time, it's
a three, you know what I mean. So that's why
I read it to have Oh man, okay, okay, it
was like so and the twist I never saw coming
because probably because I'm dumb, Probably because I'm a dumb bitch. Yeah,
so this one the description. Newlyweds Tricia and Ethan are
searching for the house of their dreams, but when they
visit the remote manner that once belonged to doctor Adrianne Hill,
a renowned psychiatrist who vanished without a trace four years earlier,
a violent winter storm traps them at the estate with
no chance of escape until the blizzard comes to an end.
In search of a book to keep her entertained until
the snow abates, Tricia happens upon a secret room, one
that contains audio transcripts from every single patient Doctor Hell
has ever interviewed. As Tricia listens to the cassette tapes,
she learned about the terrifying chain of events leading up
to doctor Hell's mysterious disappearance. Tricia plays the tapes one
by one late into the night. With each one another
shocking piece of the puzzle falls into place, and doctor
adrian Hill's web of lines unrebels, And then Tricia reaches
the final cassette, the one that reveals the entire horrifying truth.
Oh okay, I love first when people are trapped somewhere
and they can't escape. I feel like you'd love it. Yeah,
And I love something that involves listening to tapes. That's
why I was obsessed with Archive eighty one. I'm so
excited to continue. That's that's based on a book, right
or no? Oh, I don't get wrong, I might be wrong.
It was an audio Oh that's right, novella. We call
it show. I don't yeah, yeah, yeah, I was like
audio book Noma has a name. But yeah, so that's fine,
but okay, I love that. I'll probably check that out
done then yeah, no, and I love that too, you know,
I love it. And the characters are unlikable, like I
was sick of them, but I don't mind that. Like
some people hate when the characters are unlikable, I feel
like I like it because it's so unrealistic because like,
imagine meeting someone like that in real life, like I
would fight them. Yeah, I'm with an unlikable character, Earlily,
you borrow it when it's sufferable and I'm just kidding.
I found the main character insufferable. And then the twist
came and then I was like, oh, this explains a lot. Yeah, okay,
I'm excited. I also love a good twist, so this
should be good. And if you want me to tell
you what happens. I'll tell you all fair enough. Yeah,
tell me after Oh sorry, you know what else? I watched?
The crampis I've watched it before, but I forgot between
that happens. Yeah, I watched it again. It's a fun
cute yeah yeah, yeah, entertaining with the children and what's
his name from Parks and rec the guy love Yeah, Ben, Yeah,
I know it's really name is Adam, And I wanted
to call him Adam, but then I had already said,
oh yeah, Adam Scott. Yeah, he's in It's a fun movie.
And I just love him. I literally watch anything he's in.
Have you seen the one on I think actually I
can't remember if it's on Netflix for Hulu where his
step son is. Yeah, that one's fun, that's like fun one. Yeah.
I did recommend it when I watched it. Oh, okay,
a lot of time or something. Yeah, yeah, okay, well
now I'm done, I'm done. That was a lot. Okay, yeah,
it was a lot, all right. Just to reminder that
our book club book is The Witches of a Basso.
It's on our little list in the show notes. I
think I'm gonna started click anyuary. Sorry, same, same, for sure.
I will start in January. You can also find us
on YouTube. You can follow our socials on Instagram and
I don't know TikTok's going away, so if you follow
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oh sorry, can I just say really quick, I'm like, whatever,
you can criticize those, But it made me laugh that
someone said our Spanish is so frustrating. But then now
all the memes are coming out of Selena about Selena's
Gomentz and the movie, and I'm like, well, at Lista
will sound like that, right, it could be worse. And
the purpose of our Spanish episodes is for us to
learn to get better at like sounding cool in Spanish. Yeah, yeah,
that was the whole point. So yeah, but it could
be worse. We could sound like len. Think about that,
like let me pinch, I can't stop. Stop. We we
respect all Moss and yeah and yeah yeah and Pachas
and like, you know, it's it's really funny, like who
nobody uses the word bulba, Like I'm sorry, nobody uses
it in that way, but you know what did her
no good? Yes that's what I didn't say, but Also
it was directed and written I think by someone French,
so they wouldn't understand the way that you say these things,
and they wouldn't know how did they're not here? Oh?
People were like shocked, that's on TikTok that could speak Spanish.
It's like, you, guys, she's she's Latina, Like what do
you mean? They're like, oh, but look it's always Aldania Spanish.
It's so good compared to yeah, she's Latina too. Yeah, God,
she's stop. So yeah, okay, we can we can layer
upon layers for this conversation that maybe would be to
train stop before we yeah, oh yeah, I didn't want
to do that. Well assume, but we don't judge. But
do you have time or no? Okay, really well let's
send this for the official Yeah okay, and so yeah, everyone,
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