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been breaking down the BYU match up. BYU was handed

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a bad loss last night to the UCF. Knight's good

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for the nights. They probably have booked a trip to

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the NCAA tournament. Obviously, everything we'll have to play out,

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but that win that Premier Quad want to win on

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the road for them should be enough for the beginning.

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I know that there have been per Joe Lenardi's bracket.

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Maybe they've been fluttering, you know, floating at ten. They

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should be in now, no doubt about it at all.

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We've had Spencer Linten on if you missed that. Interviews

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up on the podcast. Dave bar two and Mark Durant's

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interviews are uploading as well. Gonna get into a little

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reading between the line segment with Aj Debonsum and alexdi

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let's welcome in Vic Graham. Our data aggregated here at

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ESPN the fan uh Vic. I want to give you

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a stat right I know we're a big stat people,

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and I just wanted to stick out to you, Richie

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Saunders out, can't you have to have Rob Wright step up?

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And obviously other guys made shots, but it was already

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out of hand. The game was too far. Now Rob

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would have not even Rob but the defense necessarily would

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have been better with that performance. They probably do. It

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probably is flipped and they probably beat the Knights by fifteen,

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but there wasn't the case. I believe I did the numbers,

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and I could be wrong, but Rob Wright, I think,

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is thirteen of forty one or forty two in his

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last three games, and it's three of twelve from the

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three point line. That's just not gonna cut it. Look,

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everybody was bad defensively. I know he was last night

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as well and in the game against UCF. But my

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coach would always tell me this victim, you played baseball, right,

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you know, if you're hitting's not on point, you know,

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then make them walk you then steal a base, right,

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There's other things you got to do the impact the game.

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But in the game of basketball, if the shots not falling,

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then defense, you know, he was seven of twenty one,

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you know, with twenty points is not the best outing.

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It's a bad outing offensively, but you can make up

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that for your defense. But when you have both, you're

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just that's not going to get it done, especially night

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in and night out in the Big twelve.

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Speaker 3: Yep, you hit it right on the head. If you're

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not playing well in one area, you just find a

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way to help your team. And defense, you know that's

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the thing with defense. You can you cannot be hitting

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your shots. But but all it takes is effort on defense, right,

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I mean, you know you just gotta have effort. Give

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you give your effort, and you know you can help

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the team. Again in other ways.

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Speaker 2: You definitely help the team out of the ways, the

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effort was definitely not there, you know last night. Now

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b Yu moves in vic. I'll get your thoughts. You know,

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obviously we're gonna keep discussing this, and it's conversation. This

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is talk radio.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 2: The question is can b why you win the last

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three games? We thought they if they won last night,

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that they would be able to win all four and

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now you know we heard it from Spencer Linton. The

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reason why I'm bringing up this conversation is, Spencer Linton,

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you have to go download the interview to listen, unless

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you were listening live with Us during that time at

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three thirty. If they if they get both of the

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games on the road trip, and it's gonna be difficult,

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but you gotta start with West Virginia in one game

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at a time. But if you get the one against

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West Virginia, and then if you rectify what happened last

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year aainst Cincinnati because you got boat steamed. Honestly, if

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you do that, and west Miller is a good coach

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that program, knock off Kansas on the road. So it's

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gonna be a tough game. Both of these are Quad

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one games on the road. If you get both of

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those and then you knock off Texas Tech, you know

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it would just have Mark Durant almost forgiven. You know,

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all might be forgiven if you went on Saturday. That's

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just how the Big twelve is. You have a chance

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to make up for it. But Vick, if they win

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the last three games, I'll ask you this and then

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we'll get into the sound. They win the last three games,

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if they beat if they beat West Virginia, they beat Cincinnati,

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they beat Texas Tech, they'll give them another top twenty five.

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are able to finish in the top twenty five, but

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they have to win all three, can't lose. That would

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give them I believe it's nine quad one wins, so

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they'd be nine and six and quad one games, they'd

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be six and two and quad two. What would that

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then do for them c wise? Does it keep them

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locked in at that six to ce D you believe that?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so. They if they come back three

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to zero on their last three games, and especially that

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road trip, like you said, if you go into Cincinnati

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and beat Cincinnati, I mean, that's a huge win in

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my opinion. I mean, they look good at home. They're

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kind of two different teams a little bit on the

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road and at home, but at home, they they play

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good basketball, and you know, West Virginia you look to

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win that game. I was a lot more confident after

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Iowa State than I was again after UCF. For them

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to go out there and get a win. Now I'm

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a little bit, you know, I'm scared a little bit

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about that game.

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Speaker 2: We'll see, right because they're gonna talk to Mike Auskie

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in the next segment. When thing comes back, we'll be

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able to discuss what what is this matchup gonna look like? Look,

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West Virginia not a good basketball team. Utah went in

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and beat them. But at the same breath, I mean

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to win on the Big twelve, but to win in

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the Big twelve on the road is hard. And I mean,

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you could argue he's not a bad basketball team, but

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you could argue not playing great basketball right now because

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they just UCF and it wasn't if they had lost

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this game. You know, vic by you know, four six, Okay,

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it's unfortunate, but when you're getting run by thirty and

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I know that the box score wont ninety seven points.

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And here's another stat. I believe in Bo's four of

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his last six games or losses, they've allowed eighty five

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plus points. Like that's not good. You cannot have that,

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you know. And I wrote these down on my laptop

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and I need to pull them up, and I put

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some of them in my recap article on the espndefan

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dot com. But you just can't have that. You can't

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have that. You gotta play better basketball. So we'll see

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if they're able to do it. I believe that they

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can turn it around. Kevin Young. Look, you got three games,

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maybe you get all three and then you going to

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the tournament. You can get some momentum even if they're

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not the six seed and then the seven seed. Right now,

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Kansas is the two. This is per Jason Sheer. Let

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me pull up this photo for you guys. I just

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want to give if the Big Twelve, if the Big

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Twelve were to start today, this is what it would be.

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The one seed would be obviously Arizona number two would

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be Kansas number three, Iowa State number four, Texas Tech

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Houston dropp into the five seed, so they wouldn't get

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the double by number six would be what is it

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U cf B YU will be seven. TC would be

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a so B YU will play the winner of Cincinnati

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Kansas State. Now understand, if you lose to Cincinnati on

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the road, playing on the neutral is a little bit different,

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so you have to believe by you would win that matchup.

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and I'm getting what I want to see, which is

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d n P versus AJ Round two. But I don't

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know if fans would be confident if BA uses seven

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seed going to the tournament. But then again, anything could happen,

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and if you beat them, you probably book a trip

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to either play Iowa State, UCF again in a rematch, Colorado,

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or Baylor, who they all have played this season. So

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we'll see what happens. But first, got to take care

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of West Virginia. That's what's on the docket first and foremost. Well,

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without further ado, let's get into it. This is aj

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Debonsa and Alexi Kosch addressing the media yesterday following BYU's

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unfortunate loss that they didn't like against UCF.

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Speaker 4: Is this a game where you guys.

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Speaker 5: Kind of gotten right too high after that Iowa State

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game and took this one for granted?

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Speaker 6: No, not me personally. I think we had a good

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game plan coming in. We were pretty focused and shoot around.

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just surprised us. I don't think we took it for

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Speaker 7: Was talking about how Richie gone, let's start up with

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leadership and stuff like that.

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Speaker 4: What's it been like with Richie being off the court?

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Speaker 8: Now you guys.

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Speaker 4: Adjusted to that?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean he was definitely like the vocal leader

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on our teammate he left by example as well, obviously

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being like an upperclassman. But since he's gone, Call has

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been challenging me to try to step into that role

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be more vocal for the for the for the guys

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and how goodbye.

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Speaker 3: Language you guys had so much success and second half runs.

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Speaker 4: What was kind of.

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Speaker 7: The the the attitude going to start where UCF just

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kind of kept a rolling this time and the pain

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Speaker 4: What was he used used to start off that second half?

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It was just this lack of effort.

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they kind of took advantage of it. I think we

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try to blench them a couple of times. They got

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two dunks off rip. We just gotta be better.

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in because I think that's a good point. The second

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half by has been able to come back in the

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second half. Remember overcame the largest deficit until this one,

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which was Clemson in Madison Square Garden. Rob right hit

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the buzzer beaters. We know they came out and they

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came back from that. So this is nothing new to

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this team of having a cloud's way back. I mean

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it was one point thirty six and they lost by thirteen.

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But it's a problem because they always put themselves in

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the hole. Now we'll see what they do against West Virginia.

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Because West Virginia gives up big leads. You have to

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wonder if bo He's gonna beat that team by twenty

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to make a statement. We will see. But to AJ's

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point of the second half the dunks, you wanted to

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know what and everything I said, this game will be

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defined and they will be able to get back into

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this game. And some people are gonna be like Ron

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and Side probably know. I was like, they can get

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back into this game depending of what I see on

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the first five possessions. You know what I saw in

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the first five possessions, Yeah, Vic, you know what I saw,

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John Ball, They all they gave up three dunks. I

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think all of it was to John Bow And I'm like,

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it's like this team is not getting back into it.

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to do this because you know, you know, but accountability,

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what is it?

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Speaker 4: Lie?

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Speaker 2: And maybe this is more of an off season conversation,

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but I have posted this and look on my Cougar

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basketball pregame show before the season started, you know, right

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before that Kansas game, I interviewed associated head coach Tim

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Fanning and we heard it from Spencer Linton, who's over

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the defense. Will Void was over it last year. Seems

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like those responsibilities have been delegated this year to Tim Fanning.

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He told me that he is in charge of the coverages.

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didn't get a chance to ask those at b YU.

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I might have to follow up and ask that, and

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it might not matter. People want to be past it

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because it didn't work out that way. But the defense

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was was was a struggle last night, and it struggled

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all this season and it's gonna have to fix itself

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and you gotta lock in. And here's the thing they

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can and when they do, you beat a top five

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team like Iowa State. They were number six at the time,

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but number four. I would state you beat them. So

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you have to lock in defensively, and it might take

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AJ maybe taking the best player. And maybe you can't

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do it every single game. That's gonna be tough, but

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maybe in some of these games you have to say, hey, AJ,

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you're gonna have to play all forty you know, and

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you're gonna have to take the best player, and that

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might need to be the deal. In the tournament, he

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might have to go two way and do that and

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that's gonna help his draft stock even more. But in

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the Big twelve tournament, AJ might have to take the

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best player, play thirty five, play thirty five thirty seven

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forty minutes a game in order to be what you

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to get it done. That's just what it's gonna have

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to come down to. So we will see. Let's get

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back to the sound. This is ajd Bonsa and Alexi

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Kosic addressing the media following yesterday against UCF.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you guys getting a bit pat there. What were

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you seeing down low with I don't know.

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Speaker 6: I mean, obviously, like have John bo who's seven ft two,

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so you know, it's obviously gonna be a little harder

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to finish in the run. I think me personally after

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I got to my spots, maybe forced a little shots,

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but I think we could have got more painter greats

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get too fit of pain and then try to kick

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it out for Grete threes.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I'm with him there, Like some days like

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shots fall more or some days they don't. But I

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think like at the end of the day, that was

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not like the reason we lost. I think it was

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like mostly our energy and so like, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Like I say, you were part of whether that second

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half round then got back into it a couple of

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three pointers.

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Speaker 8: Just what was kind of the energy change there?

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Speaker 3: And can you take something maybe out of that scratch?

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Speaker 5: I mean, for sure we can take something out of that.

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We just tried to like forget the scoreboard and just

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like try to end the game on a positive note

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and like that we don't go out like that like

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how we started, and we just tried to get our

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energy up.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, for sure we can like.

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Speaker 4: Take that into the next game. Yeah, PJW.

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Speaker 2: Would you described that postgame work room?

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Speaker 4: What was kind of the message from coach and just

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the reaction from you guys and that post.

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Speaker 6: Game Oh yeah, obviously, yeah, we were sick, but he said,

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we're just gonna watch the film tomorrow. We're gonna come

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in tomorrow and just get better.

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Speaker 2: Did your what's your confidence level and bouncing back from

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a loss like this down the stretch.

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Speaker 6: I mean my confidence is extremely high. I mean we

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have a tough road trip against Cincinnati and West Virginia,

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two good teams. But I mean if we can you know,

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win those both games and then come back home and

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you know, beat Texas Tech, I think will be good

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going in the march.

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Speaker 4: What would you see them doing a limit?

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Speaker 5: Uh you for in terms of the volume shots you

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were taking toll late in the game.

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Speaker 6: I mean they were in they were in heavy ships,

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founeeing a lot of bodies. I mean, I'm not gonna

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complain about the you know, officiating. I mean I get

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filed a lot in a lot of games today. They

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decide not to call it. But it's whatever. I gotta

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play through contact. Mister Big twelve is one of you know,

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the most physical leagues. I'm ill just got to adjust

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and I did it just in the second half. Put

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us a little too late.

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Speaker 2: Question, like said k I mentioned in his interview, just

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now that you're a tough kid and you really stuck

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your nose out there of this scan.

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Speaker 4: There's a moment the press, but things a little shit.

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You see a player, Can you speak of that toughness

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and bring up the.

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Speaker 5: Intensity with out Yeah, I mean at that point, like

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for me, it was more like it was more than

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just basketball. Like it's like embarrassing, like losing that much

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and your like own home court. So I just tried

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to like do whatever to kind of get like get

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the energy up and get like get us like more

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into like playing with more energy.

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Speaker 2: Now Ben said earlier obviously, and I'm bringing you back

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in here, Vic. When you're losing like this, you know

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you got to give a hard foul. Now they got

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into it with the Jordan Burks. You got a technical foul.

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First of all, If Jordan Burks, you're an idiot, I'm

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gonna call you that. Your team's up thirty. Get out

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of that mess. Don't let someone do that. Don't get

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yourself kicked out of the game where you've had a

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phenomenal day when you're nine of twelve, I think you're

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three or five from three. Don't get involved in that

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nonsense like they're trying to do anything. It's like hockey, right,

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you know, the Olympics just ended. What do you do

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in hockey? You start a fight because you want to

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get the beat, the boys riled up. You put the

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fourth line out there, Vic, and you say, go do it.

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That's what happens. Well, BAU has no fourth line. All

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these are great players. That's not just my analogy that

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I'm bringing in, but Alexi, you know, you know roughed

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it up. You would have liked to see that in

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the first half after they went up twenty to six.

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You'd have loved to see a you know, a hard

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foul or something, or some type of chatter or talk.

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And the guys that I feel like that will do

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that is you know, I my Hilo's gonna chirp at you.

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AJ's not gonna buy in today, He's gonna stay that canard, Alexi,

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those feels like the tough, the rough rider guys of

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this team. You know that that aren't gonna go down

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without a fight. Cable's gonna say something. Look I always

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say this, you know, since it came to my brain,

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we need the mo what mag the guy that's gonna

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stand in front of Cable Love after beating them in

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their building and say do something in the hand check line.

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You need that. Nonetheless, you hopefully that this doesn't happen again.

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They got an opportunity to go on the road against

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West Virginia. You heard aj uh. You can't force fouls

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and whether they call it or not, it's on AJ

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now we've talked about it. Kevinyxy. AJ is a smart player.

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J can't try to force the shots. Get to the basket.

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They're not giving you fouls. Put your shoulder down and

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drive and go into the person. That's just what it

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needs to be. But we need to go to break.

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Speaker 9: Ninety seven to eighty four. That was the final score

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of last nights men's basketball games. UCF handed BYU only

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their second unranked home loss of the Kevin Young era

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and first of this season. Ajd Bonsa did his duties

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and scoring twenty nine points and leaving the team with

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eight rebounds, but it wasn't enough, as the night shot

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fifty eight percent from three, hitting fourteen of them. Demus

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folks In Jordan Burke sled Central Florida with twenty four

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Uyu heads to Morgantown next for a Saturday afternoon matchup

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against West Virginia. Sticking with basketball, ajd Bons added another

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award to his trophy case this week as he was

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named the Oscar Robertson National Player of.

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Speaker 2: The Week following last week's games.

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Speaker 9: Also yesterday, Swim and Dive began their meet at the

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Big twelve Championships and saw three swimmers land on the

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top ten list for the fifty meter butterfly and the

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fifty meters backstroke. The championships continue through Saturday. Following a

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win over Denver last Saturday, gymnast Brindley Anderson Brokeman earned

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and zero on the season against Arizona State at six

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Speaker 7: Start us off, and uh, kind of the overall view

476
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of how West Virginia is spared this year in the

477
00:20:01,559 --> 00:20:02,119
Big Twelve.

478
00:20:03,559 --> 00:20:07,000
Speaker 8: Sure, and I do feel that the Big Twelve this

479
00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:11,359
year is back to where the conference has been for

480
00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:14,599
the most part throughout the last decade. On the college

481
00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:18,200
basketball side of things. Last year, you could argue that

482
00:20:18,279 --> 00:20:20,640
maybe had dipped a little bit, and certainly that's kind

483
00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:23,039
of what it was reflected in the seating of the

484
00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:25,799
NCAA Tournament, but this year the Big Twelve was back.

485
00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:29,119
This year, the Big Twelve has top teams and elite

486
00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:32,000
teams that could make a run in March. Granted, everybody's

487
00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,960
shown that they're goingable as well, and we have seen

488
00:20:35,079 --> 00:20:38,279
some deal with serious injuries as of late that certainly

489
00:20:38,279 --> 00:20:41,359
could affect how far they could go in the postseason,

490
00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:44,359
even though they're likely going to be there. Where West

491
00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:49,039
Virginia has spared in comparison to the Houston's, Iowa States,

492
00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:52,640
Arizonas and Arizona and Uston looked like they could win

493
00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:54,799
the national title and Euston could get back there, and

494
00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:58,000
Iowa State's been good in Texas Tech prior to their

495
00:20:58,039 --> 00:21:02,000
injury to top and they're far from those programs. We've

496
00:21:02,039 --> 00:21:04,000
seen that even when they were winning, and even when

497
00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:07,000
West Virginia was at its best this year, they would

498
00:21:07,079 --> 00:21:09,519
run into those schools and those schools would beat them

499
00:21:09,519 --> 00:21:13,640
by twenty plus points. However, as you guys know, West

500
00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:17,920
Virginia has dealt with a three year period that's been

501
00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:22,559
very dramatic and not really normally what the program has

502
00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:25,759
been for the better part of the past or really

503
00:21:25,839 --> 00:21:29,160
forty years. So to go off of losing a head

504
00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:32,880
coach in drama controversy last year after a ten win

505
00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,359
torn around on a Debrees, they went from nine wins

506
00:21:35,799 --> 00:21:39,400
under Josh Eiler two years ago to nineteen under Debrees.

507
00:21:39,759 --> 00:21:42,759
They got snubbed. I still feel they should have got in.

508
00:21:42,839 --> 00:21:45,319
Last year they had six quat one wins and North

509
00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:47,960
Fronta had one and North Rona got instead of them,

510
00:21:48,279 --> 00:21:52,200
so they got snubbed. The coach left. The fans to

511
00:21:52,279 --> 00:21:55,160
this day believe that Tucker Debrees and Darien Debries are

512
00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:58,519
running a conspiracy all season one. So they got over that.

513
00:21:58,599 --> 00:22:01,240
They'd bring in a new coach, a whole transfer roster,

514
00:22:01,759 --> 00:22:03,759
and they turn it around to be on the bubble

515
00:22:03,839 --> 00:22:07,119
most of the year. They beat Kansas Kansas less to normal,

516
00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:10,039
but they're still a great team. They do have quality wins.

517
00:22:10,279 --> 00:22:14,000
They have four quad one wins. They beat their rival

518
00:22:14,079 --> 00:22:16,279
and Pitt in knowing conference, even though Pitch knocked in

519
00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:20,079
that good this year at all. But they missed some opportunities,

520
00:22:20,079 --> 00:22:22,480
not only a non conference but even in conference play

521
00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:25,279
and recently, which is what be why he was going

522
00:22:25,279 --> 00:22:28,920
to care about. They've been rough and kind of at

523
00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:32,000
their worst once they peaked and it felt like they

524
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,559
were going to probably get in the tournament. Maybe a

525
00:22:34,559 --> 00:22:36,799
week ago it was leaning that they probably were going

526
00:22:36,839 --> 00:22:38,920
to get in, which would have been incredible after the

527
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,920
last several years. Their last appearance is Sales in twenty

528
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:45,960
three and Huggins last year. They've lost three straight and yeah,

529
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,240
they're on the road, TCU on the road, Oklahoma State

530
00:22:48,319 --> 00:22:52,119
on the road recently. They're solid teams, but West Virginia's

531
00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,599
played so poorly and lost these games that it almost

532
00:22:54,599 --> 00:22:56,480
feels like those teams are now going to get in

533
00:22:56,559 --> 00:22:59,359
the tournament at least TCU and West Virginia is not.

534
00:23:00,039 --> 00:23:04,200
And they're comeback over Cincinnati, their comeback over UCF now

535
00:23:04,279 --> 00:23:07,640
seem for not and it's just a very inconsistent team,

536
00:23:07,759 --> 00:23:11,119
especially on the offensive side the ball, And right now

537
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,799
it feels like their season probably is done as far

538
00:23:13,799 --> 00:23:16,920
as the NCAA tournament, But who knows if they can

539
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,160
go on a run and went out and then run

540
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,880
through the Big Twelve. Is still a tournament in the

541
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,319
Big Twelve that anybody can beat anybody, even though there's

542
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,400
definite disparity between the top teams and kind of where

543
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,680
West Virginia is.

544
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 7: Is there any silver lining? Maybe in these last five games.

545
00:23:32,039 --> 00:23:33,920
I know they've lost foid to the last five, but

546
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:35,319
have they been competitive?

547
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:36,359
Speaker 4: Have they should promise?

548
00:23:36,519 --> 00:23:39,319
Speaker 7: Have they just not been able to execute down the

549
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:43,599
stretch anything that could maybe get them moving in the

550
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:46,240
right direction from a silver lining standpoint.

551
00:23:46,519 --> 00:23:51,079
Speaker 8: Well, I think for a silver lining standpoint in general,

552
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,440
this year and as I've said, even after all of

553
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,160
these games, I sound like a broken record. Probably it's

554
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,839
hard to call this year, as I mentioned, quote unquote bad,

555
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:02,799
because you're dealing with what happened the last three years.

556
00:24:03,079 --> 00:24:05,680
Is not ross Hodge's fault that Darren Dere's left after

557
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:07,880
a one year turnaround and they got snubbed. Is not

558
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,200
his fault that Josh Eileen was in over his head

559
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,519
and they had literally the worst season in program history arguably.

560
00:24:13,799 --> 00:24:15,440
And it's not his fault that a Hall of fame,

561
00:24:15,519 --> 00:24:18,759
legendary coach ended his career in scandal and kind of

562
00:24:18,839 --> 00:24:21,880
ruined the trajectory of the transfer class and where they

563
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,920
were that year. That's not ross Hodge's fault. He has

564
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,799
him on the bubble. That's he had a real truncated

565
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,839
recruiting class. It's a full on transfer roster. These players

566
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,319
have underachieved in a way, even though they've won some games,

567
00:24:34,319 --> 00:24:36,720
and I do think he's a solid coach. But with

568
00:24:36,839 --> 00:24:40,240
all of that said, they've been competitive and they've come

569
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:44,359
back in games, especially recently, but they get down so

570
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:48,279
much early in these games, especially recently. And the issue

571
00:24:48,799 --> 00:24:50,680
that I think some bring up in terms of the

572
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,400
prospects of Ross Hodge in the future, and it's not

573
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,799
like he's going getting fired, but just their thoughts of him,

574
00:24:57,319 --> 00:25:00,640
it almost feels like they're getting worse at this goes on,

575
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,160
at least recently. They were getting better for a while,

576
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,200
as I said, but recently these last four or five

577
00:25:06,319 --> 00:25:08,960
six games, even the ones they won way back in

578
00:25:09,039 --> 00:25:13,599
that slump, they just start out sluggish. Defensively. They've been

579
00:25:13,599 --> 00:25:16,079
a top ten defensive ranked team most of the year

580
00:25:16,079 --> 00:25:18,720
in the country until recently, and then the game against

581
00:25:18,759 --> 00:25:22,279
Oklahoma State maybe the worst defensive effort of the season.

582
00:25:22,839 --> 00:25:24,920
They got down big and then they gave up eighty

583
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:29,000
plus points. That is, whether it's Huggins, Devrees or Hodg

584
00:25:29,079 --> 00:25:31,680
or who be lying way back, Westagina team do not

585
00:25:31,759 --> 00:25:35,279
give up that many points, and that happened and it

586
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,480
just looks like, I don't know, I mean, they got

587
00:25:37,519 --> 00:25:39,880
on the bubble, Lenardi was saying they were going to

588
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,160
get in, and then after that the team kind of

589
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:46,039
has played lackadaisical, like they think they're done. So you

590
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,079
gotta put that on coaching a little bit, even though

591
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:51,240
again I do like Ross Hodge. But they're competitive. They're

592
00:25:51,279 --> 00:25:53,920
never out of a game. Wouldn't be shocked if say,

593
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,440
they would upset BYU because Yu, as you mentioned, the

594
00:25:56,519 --> 00:25:58,799
lead in has been hot and cold at times too.

595
00:25:59,279 --> 00:26:02,799
But if that happens, fans are going to say, that's great,

596
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,319
but where was this effort against the teams that are

597
00:26:05,319 --> 00:26:08,559
behind you. That's why they're probably not going to get in.

598
00:26:08,599 --> 00:26:11,599
They have four Quad one wins, but the losses SECI

599
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:13,200
recently aren't great.

600
00:26:14,279 --> 00:26:16,920
Speaker 7: Yeah, two and four Quad two games that may be

601
00:26:17,039 --> 00:26:20,119
the most devastating your FOIGN seven and Quad one opportunities.

602
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:24,079
It's not bad and competitive in some of these losses.

603
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,400
It's not like you're getting You're not getting blown out

604
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:27,799
in these games.

605
00:26:28,599 --> 00:26:30,319
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's fair. I mean, the only games are getting

606
00:26:30,319 --> 00:26:32,880
blown out in on the resume are against what I

607
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:34,960
mentioned earlier. They used to be the guy with stag

608
00:26:35,039 --> 00:26:38,640
in Arizonas, but against these teams they were fighting with

609
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,759
ought to be on the bubble. They're close, and honestly, guys,

610
00:26:42,759 --> 00:26:44,960
that's why again, I don't think the year can be

611
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:46,880
said to be bad because it's year one with a

612
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,079
transfer roster after drama. But if they would miss the tournament,

613
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:54,799
regardless of circumstances, it's a wood if, meaning they should

614
00:26:54,839 --> 00:26:57,559
probably have a resume that got them in. I mean,

615
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,000
if they you know, four Quad one wins four and seventy,

616
00:27:00,039 --> 00:27:01,839
and if that's what it is, and you moved the

617
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:06,680
Quad two record to you know, four and four or

618
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,319
five victories instead of two, you're in the dance. They were.

619
00:27:10,319 --> 00:27:11,680
They were on the right side of the bubble a

620
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:16,880
week ago for most recketologists, and they right now. According

621
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,880
to Leonardi this morning, and obviously he was wrong last year,

622
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:21,920
so it's not like he's the gospel, but just going

623
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,359
off him this morning, he bumped West Virginia out of

624
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:29,039
the bubble to the group that's basically below the bubble,

625
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,440
not even next four out, but below that, and put

626
00:27:31,519 --> 00:27:36,039
Cincinnati in. West Virginia beat Sincanni twice. They're messing up

627
00:27:36,079 --> 00:27:38,839
their own season as of late. I feel like if

628
00:27:38,839 --> 00:27:40,759
they would have won two out of these last three

629
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,599
instead of lose these three in a row, or maybe

630
00:27:43,599 --> 00:27:45,359
even one out of these three because they were on

631
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:49,119
the road but played really well in these games, maybe

632
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,720
they would still crawl in there for some but not

633
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:55,640
if they just keep on stacking losses in these games

634
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,680
that are very similar programs. Right now, that's kind of

635
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,880
the bigger issue. No one's hold against them losing to

636
00:28:02,039 --> 00:28:05,880
the top teams, but the Kansas win is not enough

637
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,720
to compound everything else that's been going on recently.

638
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,279
Speaker 7: If they have a three game winning streak right to

639
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,200
end the season, does that put them back in the

640
00:28:15,279 --> 00:28:17,359
NCAA Tournament you think? I mean that would be two

641
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,279
big wins BYU and UF.

642
00:28:21,319 --> 00:28:24,599
Speaker 8: Yeah, I would say maybe. I guess as why I'll

643
00:28:24,599 --> 00:28:27,160
answer that because obviously BYU would be in there, that

644
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,039
would be the bigger win to me. They've already beat

645
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,319
UCF on the road, so the road win, according to

646
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,640
the metrics, is a bigger deal than beating a similar

647
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:39,519
team at home. Honestly, the game against UCF is a

648
00:28:39,599 --> 00:28:42,359
literal must win unless your season's over and you're already

649
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,400
out of it by that point. But if you lose

650
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,880
to UCF, your toast you could maybe get over the

651
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,240
BYU lost because they've been ranked a lot of the year.

652
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,359
Granted you've already lost too many games in general, but

653
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,119
not UCF. So I would say they probably have to

654
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,279
win out to have a shot at getting in, and

655
00:28:58,359 --> 00:29:00,599
probably still have to win a couple games in the

656
00:29:00,599 --> 00:29:03,240
big COLT tournament to know that they're secure to get in,

657
00:29:03,759 --> 00:29:07,160
and they certainly if they're going to split, they can't

658
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,960
have the U. They can't have the UCF game be

659
00:29:10,079 --> 00:29:12,319
the loss. They're better off losing the BYU, if that

660
00:29:12,359 --> 00:29:15,160
makes any sense, just because they already have the UCF

661
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:15,880
win on the road.

662
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 7: Well, BYU is only a I think only going to

663
00:29:20,279 --> 00:29:22,599
be a slight favorite in this game because they had

664
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:28,119
such a devastating, just piss poor effort versus UCF all

665
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,920
or excuse me, yeah, versus this team last night, and

666
00:29:32,039 --> 00:29:35,160
it's just kind of crazy to see BYU kind of

667
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,440
have this jekylin hide. Does that give maybe some move

668
00:29:37,839 --> 00:29:40,920
to this coaching staff and this team to get back

669
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,720
on the right track. Hey, this is a wounded this

670
00:29:43,759 --> 00:29:46,200
is a wounded animal. Right, let's take advantage of it

671
00:29:46,279 --> 00:29:48,880
right now. ESPN analytics only given BYU sixty one point

672
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:50,480
two percent chance of victory right now.

673
00:29:51,279 --> 00:29:53,319
Speaker 8: Yeah, and it's crazy, I'm sure for you guys to

674
00:29:53,359 --> 00:29:55,680
think I'm watching West Virginia. Like last night, when your

675
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:59,039
producer texted me about being on, I almost said, well,

676
00:29:59,079 --> 00:30:00,920
if you're watching this game, are are you sure? I

677
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,720
don't know, just as a joke, like this is a

678
00:30:03,759 --> 00:30:07,640
horrible effort that we're watching here, But you're probably thinking, well,

679
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,960
it's West Virginia's team looks down and out, they're gonna

680
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:11,839
get stepped on and have the season over. And yet

681
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:13,799
people think they right, you're gonna lose to them, Like

682
00:30:13,839 --> 00:30:17,039
what's going on? So yeah, I mean anything can happen again.

683
00:30:17,079 --> 00:30:19,519
I wouldn't be shocked. We've seen West Virginia get over

684
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,519
a down period and then have a big win. But

685
00:30:23,799 --> 00:30:25,920
everything you're saying about BYU, I also can say of

686
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,519
a West Virginia And they've also been really rough recently.

687
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:33,720
Their losses have kind of possibly ended their year and

688
00:30:33,759 --> 00:30:35,960
all the likely they ended their year, So you have

689
00:30:36,039 --> 00:30:38,960
to also wonder what their mentality is, and you would

690
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:40,920
figure they'd play hard. I think Gross Hodge is a

691
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:44,079
good coach, but right when we thought they were going

692
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:45,960
to get in and they've kind of done this, So

693
00:30:46,519 --> 00:30:48,359
I guess both these are teams kind of have to

694
00:30:48,359 --> 00:30:50,759
feel that they're bound to play better, they're bound to

695
00:30:50,799 --> 00:30:52,880
have a big win. They're kind of due for a

696
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:57,480
big night. West Virginia, certainly, I'm sure, feels that way. Again,

697
00:30:57,599 --> 00:31:00,839
these are definitely muscle win games for you now for sure,

698
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,039
but we will see what they do. I mean, they

699
00:31:04,079 --> 00:31:07,079
have a problem at times rebounding wise, they have a

700
00:31:07,079 --> 00:31:11,680
problem sometimes with long scoring droughts. These things happen, and

701
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:15,000
if they start slow in the game. Again, I think

702
00:31:15,079 --> 00:31:16,599
B was to use the type of team that's not

703
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:18,720
going to give up a twenty point to what twenty

704
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,039
point lead, like West Virginia has been able to come back,

705
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,480
but they are never out of a game. So I

706
00:31:23,519 --> 00:31:25,839
will tell it will be YU fans out there if B.

707
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,759
If you see the score early where BYU is up

708
00:31:28,839 --> 00:31:32,480
sixteen to four, and you're thinking to yourself, Okay, you

709
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,680
know good, God gonna get a victory. Let me go

710
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,359
to dinner, No big deal, We're good. And then you

711
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:38,799
turn it on an hour and a half later and

712
00:31:38,839 --> 00:31:41,400
you're thinking, well, man, DYU is up two or they're

713
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,480
down one, Like what's going on? That's every West Virginia

714
00:31:44,559 --> 00:31:47,960
game the past two weeks, so that certainly could be

715
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,559
what happens. And recently West Virginia still ended up losing

716
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,119
at the end because the final possessions have been so bad.

717
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:57,680
But they they never say die in these games. It

718
00:31:57,759 --> 00:32:02,000
does feel like that, especially offensive they just don't have enough.

719
00:32:02,039 --> 00:32:06,680
They're not consistent enough offensively. So if EYU can score

720
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:10,119
what they have been when they're really good, they should

721
00:32:10,119 --> 00:32:12,240
be able to get the W Granted again, West Virginia

722
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,640
certainly could pull it off, and maybe the crowd or

723
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:15,240
helping out.

724
00:32:15,599 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 7: What West virgin does it Perkin Pomp's the top twenty

725
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,680
five team defensively, I mean it's they can't be an

726
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:25,640
elite team defensively. So let's give us a little scattering

727
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,119
report on the personnel. What makes them so good defensively

728
00:32:28,559 --> 00:32:31,079
and when they have been efficient offensively?

729
00:32:31,319 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 4: Who stands out to you personnel wise?

730
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 8: Yeah, so do the ladder first offensively when they've been

731
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,759
at their best. Aner Huff is kind of a little

732
00:32:40,759 --> 00:32:43,359
Allen Iverson out there where he just can take control everything.

733
00:32:43,359 --> 00:32:46,759
He's a smaller guard, but he's not afraid of anything.

734
00:32:47,079 --> 00:32:50,160
He's really fun to watch. He's really easy to root for,

735
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,599
and he's had some really really hot nights and become

736
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,000
even more of a leader of this season. Progressed any

737
00:32:56,079 --> 00:32:58,599
addition to him, which is when the offense is really clicking,

738
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:00,920
that they have more than just him because he's undersized

739
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:04,559
and the teams can double cover him. Trason Eagle Staff,

740
00:33:04,599 --> 00:33:07,759
who he was supposed to actually be the guy. I mean,

741
00:33:07,839 --> 00:33:11,400
he had top games last year. He had a fifty

742
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,200
point game. Last year, he scored forty as Alabama. Last

743
00:33:14,279 --> 00:33:16,799
year he comes to West Virginia and he's been a

744
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,640
roller coaster ride guys. He literally had a game this

745
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:21,920
year where he scored one point. That's how much of

746
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:23,960
a roller coaster ride it is. A guy scores forty

747
00:33:24,039 --> 00:33:26,680
last year goes to one this year like that was

748
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,519
the beginning of the season. When he's hot them and

749
00:33:29,559 --> 00:33:32,480
when he's hitting three pointers, if Huff is doing the same,

750
00:33:33,039 --> 00:33:35,839
Jasper Floyd, bringing Lowrie and to other guys to watch for.

751
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,319
They really control the rock more kind of inside jump shooters.

752
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,559
But when they're hitting outside, especially Eagle Staff, they are

753
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,359
deadly and that is how they come back in games.

754
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,079
I would argue that especially when they get down they

755
00:33:49,119 --> 00:33:52,000
tend to take really bad shots and think they're Steph

756
00:33:52,079 --> 00:33:54,400
Curry out there. Eagle Staff does his lot, and then

757
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,039
he misses one, two, three, four, and then it's just

758
00:33:57,119 --> 00:34:00,200
over and then that's how they end up losing. They'll

759
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,640
do enough in that regard, and then defensively they really

760
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,799
buy into what Ross Hodge is selling. This is not

761
00:34:05,839 --> 00:34:09,000
an incredibly big team. DJ Thomas as there as a

762
00:34:09,039 --> 00:34:13,760
young player. Ob Oha Harlan obi Oha. When they're clicking defensively,

763
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,960
he's at his best. He is controlling the boards, he's

764
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,480
getting rebounds. He's a physical specimen and he's a beast.

765
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,480
There are times he kind of takes the night off

766
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:27,559
and on most feels so when he is peaked, they're great. Defensively.

767
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,039
They have shown the ability with or without him at

768
00:34:30,039 --> 00:34:32,199
his best that they can be a top twenty defensive

769
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,880
team in the country for sure. Granted they're coming off

770
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,320
of such a bad effort, but they clamp down and

771
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,199
we even saw at the end of the Oklahoma State game.

772
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,480
This will be interesting if you see this against Yu

773
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:46,079
whether the earlier. Certainly, if they're down lad He's never

774
00:34:46,159 --> 00:34:48,920
press Virginia. The Huggins press Virginia teams three out of

775
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:52,679
four years. In sweet sixteen, Jevon Carter and that group, well,

776
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:56,280
they basically did it. I mean, they put a stranglehold

777
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,199
press on Oklahoma State towards the end of that game

778
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:03,199
in regulation, in overtime, and they go for the steel

779
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,559
a lot like they play that they want the steals.

780
00:35:06,159 --> 00:35:10,280
But there have been times recently where the effort defensively

781
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,239
has not been there as much. You know, I guess

782
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,800
I'll leave you with this whole. All of that is

783
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:19,320
the potential of the team. Ross Hodge literally said, the

784
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,199
reason why they lost to Oklahoma State is because of

785
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:28,639
defensive intensity. So the worst effort is what they just

786
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,280
put forward. He did not even just they lost the

787
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,480
game and defense defensively they were rough for the first

788
00:35:34,519 --> 00:35:36,719
time all year. And he usually is a player's friendly

789
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,519
coach that defends his team to no end. He basically

790
00:35:40,559 --> 00:35:43,159
called the players out and called their effort out. So

791
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,639
we'll see how they respond. And Chance More is another

792
00:35:45,679 --> 00:35:48,880
player to name. But if you notice in that Oklahoma

793
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,000
State game, look at the film, there was a moment

794
00:35:51,079 --> 00:35:54,800
late under the boards, Ross Hodge is yelling at him like,

795
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:56,679
what are you doing? Get your head in the game.

796
00:35:57,039 --> 00:35:59,159
He just stood there when there was a riven opportunity

797
00:35:59,159 --> 00:36:01,519
and didn't run to do anything. He just looked around me.

798
00:36:01,519 --> 00:36:04,360
I don't know what to do. And we're not in

799
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,280
November with the new staff. This is we're at the

800
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,320
end of February. I mean, I don't care who you are.

801
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,639
You got today. You should know what you're doing. So

802
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,400
it can be great, it can be bad. You'd imagine,

803
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,360
which maybe this is a negative for BYU that they

804
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,000
got to if these players have anything to them and

805
00:36:19,039 --> 00:36:21,800
they played big level games. I mean, Laurent's been on

806
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,199
a Final fourteen. Like if a coach says their effort

807
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,039
is why they lost, you would imagine they got to

808
00:36:27,079 --> 00:36:30,239
answer that. They I would imagine they're gonna be competitive

809
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,599
in that game whether they win or not. I would

810
00:36:32,599 --> 00:36:33,599
think they got to answer that.

811
00:36:34,519 --> 00:36:34,760
Speaker 4: Yeah.

812
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,840
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's interesting as you're talking about this the b

813
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,119
way you're coaching staff. Kevin Young in particular, has called

814
00:36:41,159 --> 00:36:46,159
out the effort of his team multiple times now this season,

815
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,360
and I wonder if it is a product. Sometimes I'm

816
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,599
hearing it from you, I'm hearing it from others in

817
00:36:51,639 --> 00:36:57,280
this mercenary like approach. You're into, you're out transfer portal

818
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:00,199
and the era, the paper play era, is it hard

819
00:37:00,199 --> 00:37:03,880
to keep teams players motivated?

820
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,320
Speaker 4: Uh, game in and game out?

821
00:37:06,519 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 7: Like because there is not there's not a cohesive culture,

822
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,639
you know, buy in to the school, to the coach,

823
00:37:15,199 --> 00:37:17,159
to the roots that you're building there.

824
00:37:17,199 --> 00:37:20,320
Speaker 4: It's just like I'm getting paid to be here.

825
00:37:20,599 --> 00:37:22,760
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean I'll play well, Like I just wanted

826
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:26,320
to improve my my draft stock. I want to maybe

827
00:37:26,679 --> 00:37:30,960
leverage this into the next stop it when you have

828
00:37:31,199 --> 00:37:36,559
undulation of effort and it's hard to build, you know,

829
00:37:36,639 --> 00:37:40,559
consistent culture day in and day out, repetition and high

830
00:37:40,559 --> 00:37:42,840
intensity of every game, you see.

831
00:37:42,599 --> 00:37:44,079
Speaker 4: These drop offs? Are you seeing that?

832
00:37:44,159 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 7: Are you seeing that visibly maybe around the country and

833
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:48,719
they're at West Virginia as well.

834
00:37:49,679 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 8: I think it's definitely fair to wonder it's hard to

835
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,320
get in these kids in really psychoanalyzes. But it's the

836
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,559
fairest thing to wonder if we couldn't even asked for

837
00:37:56,599 --> 00:38:01,880
oslags thoughts on this, and he he also kind of

838
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,599
said that he even answered why a lot of coaches

839
00:38:04,639 --> 00:38:07,199
are calling teams out, because that was even literally asked.

840
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:08,920
We asked him why a lot of coaches are calling

841
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:12,480
players out? And why a lot of coaches are if

842
00:38:12,559 --> 00:38:16,199
you recall having freak out viral sessions after these losses.

843
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,559
I mean literally, West Miller, after living to West Virginia,

844
00:38:18,639 --> 00:38:21,960
has freaked out twice this season in which he went viral,

845
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:26,239
and Ross Hodge basically said he does believe the pressure

846
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,519
of the era, the fact that even if you are

847
00:38:28,599 --> 00:38:30,159
a team that things they go in a national title,

848
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,199
you know that in two months you have to rebuild

849
00:38:32,199 --> 00:38:36,199
the entire roster. Like that pressure is insane on coaches.

850
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:39,639
The Big twelve is a war every single night, and

851
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:42,480
he does believe it's getting to people and it's like mentally,

852
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,679
like that is that is becoming a mental issue. So

853
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,599
I'm not a therapist, but it certainly does look like

854
00:38:49,679 --> 00:38:53,360
that could be a possibility here. And you would imagine

855
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,599
the players that want to play hard for themselves. But

856
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,000
even if I mean, you have to think of it

857
00:38:59,119 --> 00:39:01,559
that way. It's it's crazy to say, but you know,

858
00:39:01,599 --> 00:39:03,239
when you see a team that's about to get in

859
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,000
and they have a three game losing streak and they

860
00:39:06,039 --> 00:39:08,679
have such a skid that is worse than all their metrics,

861
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,119
and it's fair than in this air to ask, well,

862
00:39:13,039 --> 00:39:15,480
were you guys thinking that, Okay, now we're maybe gonna

863
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:16,960
get in, but we're not going to probably go to

864
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,400
the final four. So you would rather just end your

865
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,719
season and get in the portal or go on to

866
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,519
the next level, or if you're a senior, leave school

867
00:39:24,559 --> 00:39:27,000
and move on. I mean, would you prefer to do

868
00:39:27,199 --> 00:39:29,639
that then have one game in the NC term And

869
00:39:29,679 --> 00:39:32,599
even though the program wants to be there, and it

870
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:36,440
sounds crazy to ask, but a team that wants to

871
00:39:36,519 --> 00:39:40,000
do everything imaginable to get that one game, even if

872
00:39:40,039 --> 00:39:42,679
that's all they get, it's hard to think this is

873
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,559
the effort the last four games. It's just I mean,

874
00:39:45,639 --> 00:39:47,760
this isn't enough to beat anybody, let alone the Big twelve.

875
00:39:48,199 --> 00:39:50,679
So I think it's very fair to ask. And that

876
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,440
is definitely the situation is not changing though, like this

877
00:39:53,599 --> 00:39:55,719
is it? So this is what they're going to have

878
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,480
to be dealing with. But yeah, the Mountaineers have seven seniors,

879
00:39:58,519 --> 00:40:00,719
a lot of players are going to be leaving. I mean,

880
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,599
there's a lot of conversation now with West Virginia of

881
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:07,079
if they don't get in the NACA Tournament, should they

882
00:40:07,159 --> 00:40:10,559
accept or decline the College Basketball Crown or even the

883
00:40:10,679 --> 00:40:12,760
Niit and because the dig twelve tie in, as you know,

884
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,280
it will likely be the colleged basketball crown. And there

885
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,400
are people that are on both sides that are saying, well,

886
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,760
this is an historic program. Final fours. There are thirty

887
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,719
one appearances, you know, Hugins, Jerry West. You can't go

888
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:25,880
ahead and be in this minor tournament. It's beneath you.

889
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:29,719
It's been beneath programs worse than you historically in recent years.

890
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,840
And yeah there's an nil payment, but it's not all

891
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,559
that much with the travel that would be involved there.

892
00:40:35,039 --> 00:40:37,119
There are others that are bringing up well, in the past,

893
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:39,480
West Virginia's got in these things and then you know,

894
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:41,880
twenty years ago they weren't a NT and three years

895
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:43,480
later they're in the final four. Why can't they do

896
00:40:43,519 --> 00:40:46,960
it again? Because best is not the era. Nine of

897
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:48,679
these players are going to be around. They don't care.

898
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,519
Probably what the program does in three years. The coach

899
00:40:51,679 --> 00:40:54,920
maybe will, maybe he won't. The system could be totally different.

900
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,159
If it's a new coach, that's a whole new culture

901
00:40:57,199 --> 00:41:00,679
than in there. You just don't know. So, I mean,

902
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:02,719
an nil payment for the program is what you get

903
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,280
out of winning the basketball crown. You don't get money

904
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,760
if your eagle staff and your eligibility is over. What

905
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,000
would his motivation to be even in there? Maybe this

906
00:41:10,079 --> 00:41:12,239
effort would happen in there. There's no guarantee they win

907
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,360
that so it is there. I think to ask what

908
00:41:15,519 --> 00:41:18,960
the motivation or effort of care is of these players

909
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:20,559
when you get to the end of the year and

910
00:41:20,599 --> 00:41:23,199
they know they're leaving like that is that is just

911
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,000
a hard thing to coach, I would imagine.

912
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,760
Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't know how you can coach up kids hard. Yeah,

913
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:31,559
or you have to be very strategic about who you're

914
00:41:31,599 --> 00:41:32,519
gonna coach up hard.

915
00:41:32,599 --> 00:41:34,559
Speaker 4: So uh give not.

916
00:41:34,639 --> 00:41:37,280
Speaker 8: Seeing anyone like Peterson in Kansas. No one's checking out

917
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,280
of games. That's not happening.

918
00:41:40,039 --> 00:41:42,280
Speaker 4: Hey, that's a good Yeah, that's that's actually a good sign.

919
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 7: Let's say if that's the baseline individual players like being

920
00:41:47,079 --> 00:41:50,360
capable of checking themselves out of the game. I wish

921
00:41:51,039 --> 00:41:52,920
you know that I would have had that type of

922
00:41:53,039 --> 00:41:58,440
power in my life anyway, anything, well, in anything right,

923
00:41:58,519 --> 00:42:00,239
just being hey, I'm checking it out today as I

924
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,840
ain't showing up, but send me to send me the check.

925
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,199
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, I'm just gonna tap in my head. I'm

926
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:07,280
checked out. I'm done.

927
00:42:08,599 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 7: Can you imagine like just just d n P and

928
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:15,800
everybody like like just d MP and your your wife, Hey, honey,

929
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:17,000
the kids are a little ROADI.

930
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 4: I'm gonna check myself out of this. Time to go.

931
00:42:18,559 --> 00:42:20,239
We're gonna have a beer. We have a root beer

932
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:20,639
over here.

933
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 8: If you look at the film of Chance More at

934
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:25,719
the end of the Oklhoma State game, he might as

935
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:26,480
well have checked out.

936
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,559
Speaker 4: All right, Mike, we gotta let you go. I hope

937
00:42:32,599 --> 00:42:33,320
it's a good one.

938
00:42:33,679 --> 00:42:35,639
Speaker 7: I don't know if the line's dropped yet, but three

939
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:39,920
thirty pm, February twenty eight it's at West Virginia, Morgantown,

940
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,639
West Virginia. I can't wait to see what happens in

941
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,199
this game, and hopefully it's a competitive entertaining one best

942
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:45,679
way to sport.

943
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:46,599
Speaker 4: To you what you do, how you do it for

944
00:42:46,639 --> 00:42:47,639
all of our listeners.

945
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:50,199
Speaker 8: Sure you can find me all over social at Mike

946
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,280
Osty eleven, West Virginia. Sports Now is the site there.

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I also do some nastra writing with Yard Barker and

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have a podcast, Mike Drop that's on Serious XM. So

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go ahead and find that wherever we gig your podcasts.

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But I appreciate the time, guys. And yeah, I hope

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to be talking to you again sometime soon, maybe basketball, football, whatever.

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Give me a call.

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Speaker 4: Much love, Mike. We appreciate your manthicks propping on today. Brother.

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Speaker 7: Yep, someone needs to do some sort of like you know,

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TikTok Instagram, you know, sequence of like guys, just DNPN

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like activities, you know, like I'm not Ronnie would be

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like I ain't cooking on the grill tonight, tapping out,

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I'm done. You know, I'm taking care of Jersey night, babe,

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tapping out, I'm done.

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Speaker 4: Oh man, I need that. I need that in my life. Guys,

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that's our show. We're sticking to it.

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Speaker 7: Download the podcast iTunes, Sprink or Google playing music, iHeart Radio, Spotify.

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Speaker 4: Give us a rat and give us a review. We

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appreciate it. When you do.

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Speaker 7: Make sure you support all of our sponsors. Can't do

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more show without our sponsors. Always give them an opportunity

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to earn your business. VP Products, Vampy Service, VMP discounts

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and Big who wrote to Michael Jaste Big who wrote

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to Mark Durant. We had Dave bar two. We had

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Spincered Linton Shout out to a cram, Shout Out to you,