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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for tuning in to another show in the next

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<v Speaker 2>Are you tired of superheroes who always do the right thing?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you exhausted by teams that actually get along? Save

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<v Speaker 2>the day? And dare I say it? Have a plan

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<v Speaker 2>this summer? Why not order your very own superhero squad

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<v Speaker 2>direct from Marvel's discount bin, introducing the Thunderbolts like the Avengers,

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<v Speaker 2>but with more questionable decisions, twice the unresolved trauma, and

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<v Speaker 2>a group dynamic best described as mandatory. It's like the

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<v Speaker 2>Suicide Squad, but the one you ordered from Make a wish.

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<v Speaker 2>It's less Earth's mightiest heroes, more Earth's most reluctant group project. Still,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe that's the real Marvel formula. Assemble a cast of

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<v Speaker 2>deeply broken people, throw them at a government conspiracy and

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<v Speaker 2>see what sticks. Will this ragtag band of misfits find redemption, closure,

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<v Speaker 2>or at least get the dental plan they deserve? Or

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<v Speaker 2>is this just another case of let's see what happens?

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<v Speaker 2>When you don't read the terms and conditions before assembling

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<v Speaker 2>a super team. Either way, we're spoiling it all because

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<v Speaker 2>that's what we do here. So if you're hoping for surprises,

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<v Speaker 2>pure heart at heroics, or even narrative closure, maybe try

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<v Speaker 2>another podcast For everyone else, buckle up, assemble your emotional

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<v Speaker 2>support asterisk, and let's get into thunderbolts.

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<v Speaker 4>But then, not.

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<v Speaker 5>Being's a hero.

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<v Speaker 2>There is no higher calling. Your sister understood something about

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<v Speaker 2>that I should come back for you. No, that's just

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<v Speaker 2>a fairy tale.

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<v Speaker 5>I was in high school when the Avengers came. Kind

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<v Speaker 5>of strange that it's all over now. No one is

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<v Speaker 5>coming to save the day.

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<v Speaker 4>I think we are.

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<v Speaker 2>We can be the ones that are coming.

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<v Speaker 3>Look, you have the wrong people. We have all done

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<v Speaker 3>bad things.

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<v Speaker 2>Look out then where you are.

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<v Speaker 4>The past doesn't go away, so you can either live

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<v Speaker 4>with it forever or you can do something about it.

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<v Speaker 4>I am avoid Look you.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't tell. We're on the emptiness.

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<v Speaker 2>We can't do this.

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<v Speaker 3>No one there is a hero.

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<v Speaker 2>We all have things that we would regret, but I

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<v Speaker 2>have so many I'm beat right In this month, I've

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<v Speaker 2>assembled a ragtag crew of cinematic mercenaries, all with unique skills,

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<v Speaker 2>questionable morals, and probably vests with too many pockets. First up,

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<v Speaker 2>the only panelist who'd survived five minutes on a government

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<v Speaker 2>sponsored super team. It's make Me a Nerd Zone, Mandy Kaplan,

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<v Speaker 2>Hi Mandy.

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<v Speaker 6>Hi Foster, did I do it right?

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<v Speaker 2>You got the bit?

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<v Speaker 1>That was it?

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<v Speaker 2>And a man who's never metamorally ambiguous protagonist he couldn't psychoanalyze.

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<v Speaker 2>It's Justin jj.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeger OUDI glad to be here.

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<v Speaker 2>And the only guy who brings his own asterisk to

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<v Speaker 2>every conversation. It's Tommy Mets the third.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for having me pleasure to be here as.

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<v Speaker 2>Always, rounding out the squad, the man most likely to

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<v Speaker 2>critique your mission plan, It's Steve Sarmento. Hi, Steve O.

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<v Speaker 3>We haven't agreed on the outcomes yet. We can't get

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<v Speaker 3>this far to the plan till we have agreed upon outcomes, everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to throw the group dynamic asunder. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to ruin things, and so I want to

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<v Speaker 2>make sure we start with the most important segment opening thoughts.

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<v Speaker 2>Tom would you like to start?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 7>I made sure to ask friend of the show, Darnell

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<v Speaker 7>dash Smith about everything that I needed to know for

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<v Speaker 7>this movie, which was considerable because I don't know if

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<v Speaker 7>any of these people are yes. But he was able

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<v Speaker 7>to fill me in and so yeah, I just expected

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<v Speaker 7>I'd heard some good things. This seemed to be like

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<v Speaker 7>a level up for casting. I was very interested to

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<v Speaker 7>know how this movie would go because I have checked

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<v Speaker 7>out of the Marvels a little while ago.

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<v Speaker 5>You can't say that that's another Marvel movie, because that's

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<v Speaker 5>actually a mar You gotta you gotta choose a different

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<v Speaker 5>thing that you've checked out.

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<v Speaker 2>You didn't check out of the Marbles checked out?

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<v Speaker 7>Oh I thought you said the movie title was called

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<v Speaker 7>checked out.

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<v Speaker 1>That pretty much sums it up.

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<v Speaker 7>But I would like to say the opening thoughts are

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<v Speaker 7>we saying what we thought?

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<v Speaker 1>Are not quite?

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<v Speaker 8>Yes?

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<v Speaker 5>Do it?

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<v Speaker 2>Tom? You have the floor.

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<v Speaker 7>This film I thought was not for me. It was

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<v Speaker 7>very much for me. I had a great time for

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<v Speaker 7>this film, and for the first time in Marvel my

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<v Speaker 7>personal Marvel history, this two hours.

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<v Speaker 1>Flew by nice, So I was really excited.

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<v Speaker 7>I had a really really fun time.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, all right, wait a minute, can I go next?

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<v Speaker 2>No? Do you want to know why?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh? No?

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<v Speaker 2>Because I actually, I actually have made a drinking game

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<v Speaker 2>out of what I think you're gonna say, and I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to get drunk yet.

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<v Speaker 5>I love it.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm going to give this one to Steve.

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<v Speaker 3>Thoughts. There's so much. It started off as one type

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<v Speaker 3>of movie that I was very excited about, and by

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<v Speaker 3>the time we got to the end, it was a

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<v Speaker 3>something completely different from what I expected. And I love

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<v Speaker 3>the fact that Marvel is now found a story to

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<v Speaker 3>tell to the next generation of like teenagers and what

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<v Speaker 3>are the conflicts that they're facing in their lives and

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<v Speaker 3>something I think really speaks to them. And instead of

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<v Speaker 3>speaking to aging comic fanboys, I think they've really identified

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<v Speaker 3>gen z and spoken to them with this film in

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<v Speaker 3>a way that really surprised and impressed me.

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<v Speaker 2>Standing thoughtful, Steve.

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<v Speaker 8>All right, Mandy, Now I'm hoping to say the stuff

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<v Speaker 8>that JJ would say and get you drunk.

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<v Speaker 6>We'll see, we'll see if I can do it.

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<v Speaker 5>Well.

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<v Speaker 8>I knew nothing, but it's part of my charm.

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<v Speaker 6>It's part of who I am.

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<v Speaker 8>I know nothing, and I didn't i'd seen Black Widow

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<v Speaker 8>when it came out a thousand years ago, but that's it.

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<v Speaker 8>I don't know anything about the Avengers or anything, and

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<v Speaker 8>I didn't need to at all. I was I kept up.

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<v Speaker 8>I understood everything. I loved the humor, but I felt

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<v Speaker 8>about it the way I feel about a lot of

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<v Speaker 8>these movies, which is like, why do they have to

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<v Speaker 8>fight so much and chase each other some month? It's

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<v Speaker 8>not It's not my kind of thing. But I really

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<v Speaker 8>I thought it was a fun one. It was a

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<v Speaker 8>good movie. I just get bored with fighting.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, bored with fighting? All right, JJ, tell us how

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<v Speaker 2>much you love Legion.

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<v Speaker 5>Aging comic fanboys, Gray Fis. I'm already called out, Love Legion,

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<v Speaker 5>Love Legion. It's the first episode of Make Me a

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<v Speaker 5>Nerd with Mandy Kaplan, right right, Yeah, No, I really

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<v Speaker 5>like the movie. I'm very surprised. Tell me that you

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<v Speaker 5>say you don't know any of these people. I think

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<v Speaker 5>that's a gross over generalization. And I know from my

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<v Speaker 5>work with Mandy here too, that you know she's only

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<v Speaker 5>seen a limited number of the Marvel films up to

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<v Speaker 5>this point, or Marvel properties up to this point. That

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<v Speaker 5>being said, I came into this movie with a whole

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<v Speaker 5>lot of low expectations because of the direction that we

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<v Speaker 5>were headed, but I agree that I think this is

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<v Speaker 5>very different from other Marvel movies, and I think that

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<v Speaker 5>people that dislike the fighting might be encouraged by the

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<v Speaker 5>big spoiler alert resolution of the hug that happens that

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<v Speaker 5>saves everything. Is what I will say if they're going

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<v Speaker 5>into this movie. I loved it in a way that

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<v Speaker 5>you know, Tommy's just said it was something that was

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<v Speaker 5>really for him. I think there were at least eight

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<v Speaker 5>conversations in this movie that I thought were speaking directly

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<v Speaker 5>to me as I was watching this film about fighting

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<v Speaker 5>your shadow and about finding your way through all of

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<v Speaker 5>your darkness, and I definitely think this is right out

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<v Speaker 5>see there you go perfect bingo. So so the so

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<v Speaker 5>the idea that this is doing what Marvel movies do

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<v Speaker 5>best in that they are utilizing their platform, their microphone,

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<v Speaker 5>their genre of a superhero film to tell a greater story.

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<v Speaker 5>And it's something that we've loved about the themed movies

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<v Speaker 5>from Marvel in the past, when they've done a detective

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<v Speaker 5>story or they've done a comedy or throughout their superhero movie.

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<v Speaker 5>This one has a very deep, meaningful message that's here

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<v Speaker 5>and that usually it is the superhero vehicle to get

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<v Speaker 5>it through and I loved it. It's the top ten

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<v Speaker 5>Marvel movie for me. I don't want to put it

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<v Speaker 5>ahead of so many other ones that I love, but

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<v Speaker 5>it's definitely in the top ten of what they've done,

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<v Speaker 5>hasn't he too?

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<v Speaker 2>That is that is probably the greatest surprise to me too,

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<v Speaker 2>that this movie is not what I expected at all.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't expect to love these characters. I didn't expect

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<v Speaker 2>to love their collective journey. I didn't like I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>enjoy Black Widow, and yet Black Widow is a movie

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<v Speaker 2>that is foundational to this because it gives us Yolena.

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<v Speaker 2>I loved The Falcon and the Winter Soldier and I

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<v Speaker 2>was I was. I don't know if it, but I

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<v Speaker 2>was present for ant Man in the Wasp. I like

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<v Speaker 2>that too, Like there are all of these stories here

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<v Speaker 2>are made so much better taken out of the context

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<v Speaker 2>of the movies that spawned them. For me, these people

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<v Speaker 2>are interesting. I have one of the things I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like I must take from a sister show sitting in

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<v Speaker 2>the dark. I do have an axe to grind, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's right up front, and I have to get it

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<v Speaker 2>off my chest or I'm gonna stew and simmer and

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<v Speaker 2>my face is going to get really red. Task Master.

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<v Speaker 7>That the person that got shot right at the beginning.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, why were they everywhere? Tom, They're on all the posters.

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<v Speaker 2>Task is such an interesting character to me, and they

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<v Speaker 2>oft her in the worst, easiest, stupidest, low hanging fruit way.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't understand it. If there is some comic twist

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<v Speaker 2>that I just missed, I am ready to be at educated,

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<v Speaker 2>but this this was terrible.

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<v Speaker 6>Who the hell is task Master?

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<v Speaker 1>One of the dies in the furnace room?

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<v Speaker 8>Okay, so that she pulls off her mask and Yelena

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<v Speaker 8>knows her and then she's gone.

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<v Speaker 5>She's also the villain from Black Widow. This is so

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<v Speaker 5>if you've seen Black Wadow, you know her from there.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, okay, maybe she has a really good agent and

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<v Speaker 8>she in this movie just to cash those sweet sweet checks.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right. She her her ability is that she is

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<v Speaker 2>a mimic. Anybody she's fighting, she can fight exactly like

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<v Speaker 2>them immediately. So she's fun to watch because you know

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<v Speaker 2>the way they design fights as effectively mirrors of one another.

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<v Speaker 2>Whoever she's fighting is fantastic and fun and a real showcase.

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<v Speaker 2>And they just offed her. So early I was. I

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<v Speaker 2>was floored that they that they did that particular rug

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<v Speaker 2>pull that felt purposeless. So that that, notwithstanding, I really

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<v Speaker 2>liked the movie. How about that, I really really liked

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<v Speaker 8>By your intro, I thought you didn't. You're that's if

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<v Speaker 2>a brand. I'm glad you're here. Maybe you're learning so

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<v Speaker 5>Am speaking about your acts. I think I think I

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<v Speaker 5>agree with you that it's purposeless. I can't make any

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<v Speaker 5>apologies for it.

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<v Speaker 7>That.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, my kids that saw the movie, that was

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<v Speaker 5>I don't I don't have a good answer for it.

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<v Speaker 5>It feels very it feels very sudden and without merit.

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<v Speaker 5>But yeah, I agree with you. I guess this is

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<v Speaker 3>I have thoughts about that because I I puzzled over

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<v Speaker 3>that as well, like, Okay, what why have this character

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<v Speaker 3>present at all? If we're going to just kill somebody else?

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<v Speaker 3>So there's got to be some purpose to that. So

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<v Speaker 3>I have to look at it in terms of storytelling.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's it's US agent Captain John Walker that just

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<v Speaker 3>what does that tell us about him? What is it

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<v Speaker 3>establishing with him as a person for this audience. If

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<v Speaker 3>you haven't seen Falcon and Winter Soldier, you don't know

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<v Speaker 3>his backstory. You've got to know this guy just he

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<v Speaker 3>can be brutal, and you know there's allusions to what

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<v Speaker 3>But if you haven't seen that, we need this. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>that I could bring to that is it. Sure, it

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<v Speaker 3>gives us space for another character, but it conveys a

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<v Speaker 3>He just does it cold heartless, doesn't care.

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<v Speaker 7>That's a good point because again I had not seen

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<v Speaker 7>Black Widow, Falcon in the Winter Soldier, or certainly hit

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<v Speaker 7>Man in The Lost so I really didn't know anything

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<v Speaker 7>So that was helpful.

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<v Speaker 5>So what they did is they went through all the

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<v Speaker 5>marvel properties that these people came from, found out which

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<v Speaker 5>one had the lowest ratings, and made sure that that

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<v Speaker 5>equal that person is, because we need them to really

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<v Speaker 5>know how bad that No, I'm just kidding, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>that's that's the interesting thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I am often duped by this kind of logic because

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<v Speaker 2>I feel a certain way about a thing, and then

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<v Speaker 2>have to feel that way, And I think, oh, crab,

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<v Speaker 2>I've been I've been shanghaied emotionally shanghaied. Again, I think

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<v Speaker 2>you're probably exactly right, Like this is a this is

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<v Speaker 2>an issue of character economy. It just sucks that they

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<v Speaker 3>I agree one hundred percent. There could have been another way.

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<v Speaker 3>There should have been another way to get that about

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<v Speaker 3>him in there. But because I thought, if you're going

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<v Speaker 3>know that, pick something else, have him do something else.

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<v Speaker 3>But for whatever reason, that's the decision they made. The quote,

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<v Speaker 3>my quote of the year is people see the decisions

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<v Speaker 3>have had all their options and realized those were even worse.

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<v Speaker 1>Task Master talk.

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<v Speaker 7>No, Yeah, well that's another big reason right there, she says.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she talks in Black Widow. She does at the end.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't see Black Widow. Okay.

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<v Speaker 7>I was wondering if she didn't talk, then that would

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<v Speaker 7>be another reason.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, she has a lot, Okay, So this is the point.

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<v Speaker 5>I guess. She's not known for being a talkative character.

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<v Speaker 7>Everybody else in this movie is, and so that's really

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<v Speaker 7>how we meet them, get to know them, that's how

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<v Speaker 7>they form as a team. So if you had to

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<v Speaker 7>is covering their face all the time, then maybe that

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<v Speaker 2>Get rid of the social introvert.

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<v Speaker 5>I get it.

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<v Speaker 2>I get what you're saying here speaking of this as

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<v Speaker 2>a mental health movie before we get into the individual characters,

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<v Speaker 2>which I want to walk through that I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>fair to say that might have been the biggest surprise

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<v Speaker 2>to me is just how much this movie wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>present a perspective on many different angles of mental health

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<v Speaker 2>and healing. And I would love to hear how you

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<v Speaker 2>my brilliant friends perceived that.

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<v Speaker 5>I think it felt graceful. I mean, that's what I

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<v Speaker 5>would say about it, and I think that might be

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<v Speaker 5>why people don't see it as excessive in its storytelling

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<v Speaker 5>and its desire to do what you mentioned that it

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<v Speaker 5>tried to do in bringing in a wealth or a

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<v Speaker 5>group of different ways to approach similar problems with mental health.

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<v Speaker 5>It did it in a way, again, like I said

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<v Speaker 5>in the intro, used its vehicle, used its theme to

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<v Speaker 5>approach them in a graceful way. And I was happy

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<v Speaker 5>with the way that they attacked these things. I think

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<v Speaker 5>you know, in a really interesting point here, this is

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<v Speaker 5>a Marvel movie that does not shy away from attacking

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<v Speaker 5>suicide in many different ways. It answers that or asks

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<v Speaker 5>the question of what are you going to do to

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<v Speaker 5>reconcile with the evil that you've created? And it has

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<v Speaker 5>different answers to that question for each character. And I

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<v Speaker 5>think that was really graceful and allowed accessibility for all

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<v Speaker 5>different kinds of people in the audience.

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<v Speaker 7>Without giving everyone. I think when you said, did you

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<v Speaker 7>say elegant graceful, what did you say, guy graceful? Another

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<v Speaker 7>part of its gracefulness is not giving everyone the exact

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<v Speaker 7>same amount of time, because that's what I was waiting for.

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<v Speaker 7>Once the big group hug to be honest, which again

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<v Speaker 7>is pretty sappy, is pretty There's some pretty sacrine moments

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<v Speaker 7>in this movie for me, but it's sappy and sacrid

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<v Speaker 7>about stuff that I care about instead of big red presidents,

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<v Speaker 7>And so I got much more excited by that they're.

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<v Speaker 1>A big red president of the last one we talked about.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was good.

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<v Speaker 7>Uh, And I after the Big Hug, I was like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 7>so now's the next hour of the movie, because it's

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<v Speaker 7>marvel that we have to bustle through it. Instead, it

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<v Speaker 7>ended and I was like, wow, like they found an

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<v Speaker 7>economy where they handled a really big ensemble but deftly

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<v Speaker 7>and just gave enough time to the right people and

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<v Speaker 7>knew that really the story is Helena is really Florence

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<v Speaker 7>Pugh's story at Lewis Pullman's story. Let's keep the focus

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<v Speaker 7>on there. And I thought that was There was a

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<v Speaker 7>lot of restraint in this movie that has been missing

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<v Speaker 7>in this in these movies.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's it's heavy. And although in my opening

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<v Speaker 3>statement I said it was a movie for for gen

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<v Speaker 3>Z or whatever, but you know, you you look at

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<v Speaker 3>because you know, Red Red Guardian of uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>talking about you know, sort of Gen X living in

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<v Speaker 3>the shadow of the boomers who had all this wealth

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<v Speaker 3>and prosperity, and now the guy who was the hero

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<v Speaker 3>who should have all that in a generation that's like,

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<v Speaker 3>we're not living up to the dream, you know, because

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<v Speaker 3>he's all about you know, you get the stuff, and

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<v Speaker 3>And so I was that hit me more than I

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<v Speaker 3>thought it was going to, because he's such comic relief character,

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<v Speaker 3>but just really resonated with me myself as like, how

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<v Speaker 3>do you struggle with that? Looking at the mini empires?

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<v Speaker 3>Are parents built of going from nothing and all of

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<v Speaker 3>this and wherever they are, and like you have now

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<v Speaker 3>a generation that's like I can't mirror that for my

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<v Speaker 3>generation of like am I a success?

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<v Speaker 1>You know?

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<v Speaker 3>How am I measuring my success? And then to look

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<v Speaker 3>at you know, as I, you know, looked at each

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<v Speaker 3>of these characters, I'm like, there are so many different

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<v Speaker 3>levels of grieving, in different types of grief about what

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<v Speaker 3>that is, you know, whether it's it's trauma, depression, river,

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<v Speaker 3>but there for me, it was just grieving over different

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<v Speaker 3>things in people's lives. And it as soon as that click,

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<v Speaker 3>because I made a note at the being of like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>Elene's like got this, like I'm trying to find direction,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, She's like this purpose. I'm like, okay, it's

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<v Speaker 1>What is that going to be?

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<v Speaker 3>And then as all the other characters started coming in

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<v Speaker 3>with these things, I thought, oh my gosh, this is

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<v Speaker 3>a completely different movie altogether, Sharper and it's it just

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<v Speaker 3>it was a movie that as those end credits rolled

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<v Speaker 3>and everything, I just still couldn't believe that this had

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<v Speaker 3>been a Marvel movie that had the bravery to take

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<v Speaker 3>on something like this and do it so such a

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<v Speaker 3>balanced way and treat it with all seriousness. Is an

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<v Speaker 3>integral part of the story, rather than oh it's a

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<v Speaker 3>you know, it's a fad, it's a thing, we'll just

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<v Speaker 3>throw it in there. But it was such an they

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<v Speaker 3>found a great way to integrate it with all of

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<v Speaker 2>I the Yolena's sort of grief story when she's in

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<v Speaker 2>the void. What I One of the things I thought

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<v Speaker 2>was so artful about that projection was that we got

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<v Speaker 2>to see both what she was living with the fact that,

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<v Speaker 2>through her in action or through her indirect action as

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<v Speaker 2>me was Florence Pugh's performance of having to live with

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<v Speaker 2>this movie. She was given so much to do performatively, Mandy,

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, I don't feel qualified to speak about like what

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<v Speaker 8>Marvel has done with topics like this in the past.

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<v Speaker 8>But I was wondering, is this a first for Marvel

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<v Speaker 8>and you I think you're all answering that for me,

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<v Speaker 8>But sitting there realizing the bad guy is within us

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<v Speaker 8>in the dark side and you know our demons, I

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<v Speaker 8>thought that was pretty cool. But then I thought, well,

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<v Speaker 8>maybe they do this in all Marvel movies and I

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<v Speaker 8>just don't know it. So I've had my question answered,

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<v Speaker 8>and I liked the way they addressed it.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm most proud of Marvel as a studio recognizing what

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<v Speaker 5>a star she really is, because I would argue and

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<v Speaker 5>most people haven't seen her. Dialogue with Kate Bishop in

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<v Speaker 5>the Hawkeye series is like the greatest set of dialogue

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<v Speaker 5>that I've seen in any Marvel property over time, and

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<v Speaker 5>I'm like, oh, wait a second, Like she's superior to

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<v Speaker 5>the majority of people that we've seen in this roster.

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<v Speaker 5>And this proves it that Marvel gets it too, that

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<v Speaker 5>really she does deserve her own property and she can

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<v Speaker 5>lead in a great way because I agree with you

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<v Speaker 5>in particular the scene where she and it's Alexi, right,

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<v Speaker 5>that's Red Guardian are on the street talking about again

428
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<v Speaker 5>how to reconcile with these evil things that they do.

429
00:22:49.799 --> 00:22:52.599
<v Speaker 5>They have that father and daughter conversation. It was just

430
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<v Speaker 5>compelling and both these actors delivered it so well. And

431
00:22:57.160 --> 00:22:59.400
<v Speaker 5>this is the thing, like I love Mandy that you

432
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<v Speaker 5>can concede that in the movie you have the self

433
00:23:03.119 --> 00:23:04.640
<v Speaker 5>talk of wait a minute, is this what they do

434
00:23:04.759 --> 00:23:09.119
<v Speaker 5>all the time, because we're seeing it's something new done

435
00:23:09.119 --> 00:23:11.839
<v Speaker 5>with actors who can deliver it in a way that

436
00:23:11.960 --> 00:23:14.200
<v Speaker 5>some ensembles in Marvel. I mean, it's such a big,

437
00:23:14.519 --> 00:23:17.640
<v Speaker 5>you know, group to talk about, but some ensembles in

438
00:23:17.680 --> 00:23:21.200
<v Speaker 5>Marvel don't can't bring this along like this, and Florence

439
00:23:21.240 --> 00:23:22.359
<v Speaker 5>Pew definitely can.

440
00:23:23.319 --> 00:23:24.400
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, she's wonderful.

441
00:23:24.880 --> 00:23:27.559
<v Speaker 7>This would be an award winning role if it wasn't

442
00:23:27.559 --> 00:23:30.960
<v Speaker 7>a superhero movie. She just I mean, like what Pete says,

443
00:23:30.960 --> 00:23:34.319
<v Speaker 7>she is given so many levels and she acts.

444
00:23:33.960 --> 00:23:36.960
<v Speaker 1>All of it. And it's so funny too.

445
00:23:37.920 --> 00:23:40.799
<v Speaker 7>She's so spend so much time depressed and crying, and

446
00:23:40.839 --> 00:23:44.319
<v Speaker 7>yet her comic timing without being like Dudo is perfect.

447
00:23:44.440 --> 00:23:47.039
<v Speaker 1>She's just breathtaking, really good.

448
00:23:47.799 --> 00:23:50.559
<v Speaker 2>I just find her so fantastic. And the way this

449
00:23:50.640 --> 00:23:54.799
<v Speaker 2>team is built together, the fact that it it feels

450
00:23:55.160 --> 00:24:00.359
<v Speaker 2>intentionally not Hollywood cast because they put her is she

451
00:24:01.000 --> 00:24:04.759
<v Speaker 2>is she five feet tall, like next to Alexi like.

452
00:24:04.960 --> 00:24:13.000
<v Speaker 2>It is so comically miscast, pun intended that these people

453
00:24:13.039 --> 00:24:16.920
<v Speaker 2>would be together. They look so stink and goofy together

454
00:24:17.039 --> 00:24:18.960
<v Speaker 2>and yet somehow by the end I buy them as

455
00:24:19.000 --> 00:24:24.200
<v Speaker 2>a team so literally ragtag right, it just works. She

456
00:24:24.559 --> 00:24:27.119
<v Speaker 2>is obviously dealing with her loss and her trauma. Her

457
00:24:27.160 --> 00:24:32.640
<v Speaker 2>bathroom fight with herself is wonderful. The fact that she's

458
00:24:32.680 --> 00:24:35.279
<v Speaker 2>dealing with the pressures of being an emerging leader while

459
00:24:35.319 --> 00:24:40.400
<v Speaker 2>she loathes herself at the same time is terrific. Sebastian

460
00:24:40.400 --> 00:24:45.119
<v Speaker 2>stan So Steve, you talked about your affinity with Red Guardian.

461
00:24:45.200 --> 00:24:48.359
<v Speaker 2>For me, it was Sebastian Stan it was Bucky former

462
00:24:48.400 --> 00:24:52.960
<v Speaker 2>Winter Soldier. Metal arm in the dishwasher was an amazing touch.

463
00:24:53.720 --> 00:24:57.000
<v Speaker 2>I thought that was extraordinary. He's just great. But this

464
00:24:57.079 --> 00:25:03.519
<v Speaker 2>is a guy whose principal baggage is the search for purpose, right,

465
00:25:03.559 --> 00:25:05.880
<v Speaker 2>and we got a little bit of that in Captain America,

466
00:25:06.720 --> 00:25:10.680
<v Speaker 2>the Last Captain America, where he's now running for his senator.

467
00:25:10.680 --> 00:25:15.039
<v Speaker 2>He's now a junior senator and like he's just trying

468
00:25:15.160 --> 00:25:19.799
<v Speaker 2>stuff because he does not know how to exist after

469
00:25:20.799 --> 00:25:23.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, hydra mind control for so many years, after

470
00:25:23.960 --> 00:25:27.759
<v Speaker 2>being a villain for so many years. And I think

471
00:25:27.799 --> 00:25:32.839
<v Speaker 2>this was Sebastian Stands probably his best outing in this role,

472
00:25:33.480 --> 00:25:35.799
<v Speaker 2>because yeah, we got some hero stuff, but we also

473
00:25:35.960 --> 00:25:40.079
<v Speaker 2>got a guy who who actually got to struggle with

474
00:25:40.200 --> 00:25:42.359
<v Speaker 2>what to do next. I thought it was great.

475
00:25:42.440 --> 00:25:45.759
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, no, I do as well. And I think when

476
00:25:45.799 --> 00:25:48.359
<v Speaker 5>you're saying all these things, like he's trying all these things,

477
00:25:48.400 --> 00:25:50.599
<v Speaker 5>trying to figure out who to be after, it's just

478
00:25:51.039 --> 00:25:53.160
<v Speaker 5>it's more fuel to the fire to what we said

479
00:25:53.200 --> 00:25:55.920
<v Speaker 5>at the beginning, where this is just another aspect of

480
00:25:56.519 --> 00:26:01.559
<v Speaker 5>mental health of like a franchise that's aging and trying

481
00:26:01.559 --> 00:26:03.799
<v Speaker 5>to figure out where it belongs in the world and

482
00:26:03.839 --> 00:26:06.559
<v Speaker 5>how to create a new chapter in its own life.

483
00:26:06.799 --> 00:26:11.759
<v Speaker 5>That's Sebastians. That's Bucky's role here right is to show us, Okay,

484
00:26:11.920 --> 00:26:14.240
<v Speaker 5>I don't have the adventures that I had before, so

485
00:26:14.319 --> 00:26:16.640
<v Speaker 5>now now what do I do? And it's really neat

486
00:26:16.640 --> 00:26:18.599
<v Speaker 5>for him to come back and have a heroic turn

487
00:26:18.960 --> 00:26:20.839
<v Speaker 5>when he's been a little bit of a foil in

488
00:26:20.880 --> 00:26:22.839
<v Speaker 5>the past past few properties.

489
00:26:23.519 --> 00:26:26.839
<v Speaker 3>I'm sure that character speaks to veterans all over the

490
00:26:26.839 --> 00:26:29.599
<v Speaker 3>place of being that soldier out there, and it's like,

491
00:26:29.960 --> 00:26:32.119
<v Speaker 3>read the packet, read the briefing. That's how you're going

492
00:26:32.200 --> 00:26:34.519
<v Speaker 3>to get things done. When you're a person of action

493
00:26:35.079 --> 00:26:36.799
<v Speaker 3>that gets stuff done, to say, well, you got it.

494
00:26:36.799 --> 00:26:39.960
<v Speaker 3>We just got to tackle paperwork and bureaucracy is how

495
00:26:39.960 --> 00:26:44.680
<v Speaker 3>we're going to fix things. How frustrating that has to be. Really,

496
00:26:45.240 --> 00:26:48.759
<v Speaker 3>I am uniquely equipped to do something. You're telling me,

497
00:26:49.000 --> 00:26:51.720
<v Speaker 3>you know, everything's telling me do it, but the system

498
00:26:51.799 --> 00:26:53.279
<v Speaker 3>is saying no, you have to sit here in this

499
00:26:53.319 --> 00:26:55.279
<v Speaker 3>suit and you have to listen at this meeting and

500
00:26:55.519 --> 00:26:58.640
<v Speaker 3>just not along, you know, and being like a junior senator,

501
00:26:58.640 --> 00:27:01.440
<v Speaker 3>you're not charge of any committee, you have no decision

502
00:27:01.480 --> 00:27:04.960
<v Speaker 3>making power, and authority. You know, that's an entirely different

503
00:27:05.279 --> 00:27:08.000
<v Speaker 3>type of battle that you're fighting. So I thought that

504
00:27:08.119 --> 00:27:11.680
<v Speaker 3>was an interesting next step for that character to sort

505
00:27:11.680 --> 00:27:13.960
<v Speaker 3>of see where how he's gonna navigate that because he's

506
00:27:13.960 --> 00:27:17.000
<v Speaker 3>trying so hard, because it's so much of Okay, great,

507
00:27:17.039 --> 00:27:18.920
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to get this scrip people. I'm going to

508
00:27:18.960 --> 00:27:20.920
<v Speaker 3>bring them back because they're going to be my evidence.

509
00:27:20.920 --> 00:27:24.400
<v Speaker 3>Because he's still trying to play that political game of well,

510
00:27:24.440 --> 00:27:27.279
<v Speaker 3>if I get these people that have this information, Okay,

511
00:27:27.319 --> 00:27:29.640
<v Speaker 3>I can, I can do that, Sure, I can. I

512
00:27:29.640 --> 00:27:31.759
<v Speaker 3>can you know, ride my motorcycle and do all those things,

513
00:27:31.799 --> 00:27:33.759
<v Speaker 3>you know, But the entire purpose was to get them

514
00:27:33.759 --> 00:27:34.319
<v Speaker 3>back to d C.

515
00:27:34.920 --> 00:27:35.079
<v Speaker 1>You know.

516
00:27:35.200 --> 00:27:37.680
<v Speaker 3>So he was still grappling with that, which I found

517
00:27:37.720 --> 00:27:40.000
<v Speaker 3>really really interesting for him.

518
00:27:40.200 --> 00:27:44.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I love the sort of wandering soul of Bucky Barnes.

519
00:27:44.880 --> 00:27:50.119
<v Speaker 2>And and I look forward to a long, cinematic, big

520
00:27:50.160 --> 00:27:54.400
<v Speaker 2>screen career for him now that he's gotten this. You know,

521
00:27:54.480 --> 00:27:57.839
<v Speaker 2>they're they're in disposition, this new team. Uh and and

522
00:27:57.920 --> 00:28:01.519
<v Speaker 2>I think he ties to David Harbor, right because Red

523
00:28:01.519 --> 00:28:06.559
<v Speaker 2>Guardians search isn't necessarily for purpose, for you know, purpose,

524
00:28:06.599 --> 00:28:11.200
<v Speaker 2>it's for legacy. It's for relevance right in a time

525
00:28:11.279 --> 00:28:13.680
<v Speaker 2>that has forgotten him. And it did make me think

526
00:28:13.720 --> 00:28:16.359
<v Speaker 2>as he's sitting on his couch and Elena knocks on

527
00:28:16.400 --> 00:28:21.079
<v Speaker 2>the door, I realized we're used to one super soldier

528
00:28:21.440 --> 00:28:24.440
<v Speaker 2>in Steve Rogers, and then we get a super soldier

529
00:28:24.480 --> 00:28:27.359
<v Speaker 2>in Bucky Barnes. But he's a bit of an inciliar

530
00:28:27.440 --> 00:28:30.720
<v Speaker 2>character outside of the Winter Soldier, and he becomes something

531
00:28:30.720 --> 00:28:34.640
<v Speaker 2>more in Winter. This is a movie that's like completely

532
00:28:35.920 --> 00:28:39.559
<v Speaker 2>slow rolled the fact for me that we have three

533
00:28:40.160 --> 00:28:45.759
<v Speaker 2>super soldiers on the same team, and nobody said about it,

534
00:28:45.799 --> 00:28:49.039
<v Speaker 2>like it wasn't like all three of these guys are

535
00:28:49.440 --> 00:28:52.200
<v Speaker 2>our super soldiers and.

536
00:28:52.200 --> 00:28:53.759
<v Speaker 6>What defines a super soldier.

537
00:28:54.279 --> 00:28:56.440
<v Speaker 5>They took a serum in their past that.

538
00:28:57.160 --> 00:29:03.119
<v Speaker 2>Like okay, yes, yes, yeah, they're all augmented people, and

539
00:29:03.359 --> 00:29:07.000
<v Speaker 2>yet somehow they still made this team again Tom's words

540
00:29:07.039 --> 00:29:12.039
<v Speaker 2>to feel ragtag. They're not ragtag in any you know,

541
00:29:12.119 --> 00:29:16.480
<v Speaker 2>any other context. These are tours.

542
00:29:16.839 --> 00:29:20.960
<v Speaker 8>I mean, there's so much more layered and human than

543
00:29:21.759 --> 00:29:24.640
<v Speaker 8>Steve Rogers was when he became Captain America. He just

544
00:29:24.680 --> 00:29:29.759
<v Speaker 8>became noble and strong and heroic. But these people have

545
00:29:30.240 --> 00:29:36.640
<v Speaker 8>demons and flaws and real questionable morals with Captain America

546
00:29:37.200 --> 00:29:38.279
<v Speaker 8>with White Russell.

547
00:29:38.759 --> 00:29:39.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he is.

548
00:29:39.839 --> 00:29:40.480
<v Speaker 6>A real jerk.

549
00:29:41.119 --> 00:29:43.160
<v Speaker 2>He's a real jerk, and I think this is one

550
00:29:43.160 --> 00:29:45.119
<v Speaker 2>of the things that they say, you know that they

551
00:29:45.160 --> 00:29:47.880
<v Speaker 2>say in the in this movie. But it's been sort

552
00:29:47.920 --> 00:29:49.839
<v Speaker 2>of a one of those legacy lines.

553
00:29:49.960 --> 00:29:50.119
<v Speaker 1>Right.

554
00:29:50.200 --> 00:29:53.920
<v Speaker 2>You give a good guy the super Soldier serum, it's

555
00:29:53.920 --> 00:29:56.319
<v Speaker 2>going to amplify all of the good pieces of him.

556
00:29:56.680 --> 00:30:01.279
<v Speaker 2>You give people of questionable fiber the super Soldier thing,

557
00:30:01.319 --> 00:30:05.359
<v Speaker 2>it will augment the questionable aspects of their personality. And

558
00:30:05.519 --> 00:30:08.440
<v Speaker 2>this is a movie that really allows us to explore

559
00:30:08.680 --> 00:30:12.359
<v Speaker 2>all of the angles of that, I think in a

560
00:30:12.400 --> 00:30:16.519
<v Speaker 2>really interesting way. The weakest for me is Ghost and

561
00:30:16.599 --> 00:30:20.359
<v Speaker 2>I love Ghost, but I don't know that we got

562
00:30:20.759 --> 00:30:21.920
<v Speaker 2>much from Ghosts.

563
00:30:25.000 --> 00:30:27.960
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, not as much as everybody else, which again I'm

564
00:30:28.000 --> 00:30:31.680
<v Speaker 7>okay with. I didn't want it if everyone was Florence Pugh,

565
00:30:31.720 --> 00:30:35.000
<v Speaker 7>this would be every other Marvel boat, right. She also

566
00:30:35.440 --> 00:30:37.559
<v Speaker 7>it was interesting maybe what made her stand out is

567
00:30:37.640 --> 00:30:41.400
<v Speaker 7>she was the most superhero we in that she could

568
00:30:41.799 --> 00:30:44.640
<v Speaker 7>phase through things. Everyone else is just punching and shooting.

569
00:30:44.880 --> 00:30:46.240
<v Speaker 7>I did want to call out that. I was so

570
00:30:46.240 --> 00:30:48.880
<v Speaker 7>excited to see why Russell and Hannah John came in

571
00:30:49.160 --> 00:30:52.119
<v Speaker 7>back together. It's a reunion from my favorite and the

572
00:30:52.119 --> 00:30:54.279
<v Speaker 7>scariest Black Mirror episode play.

573
00:30:54.440 --> 00:31:00.440
<v Speaker 2>Oh yes, people are so I got super Yeah. I

574
00:31:01.359 --> 00:31:04.759
<v Speaker 2>think the other issue to your point exactly right, like

575
00:31:04.799 --> 00:31:08.440
<v Speaker 2>the it would be too much if it was, you know,

576
00:31:08.519 --> 00:31:12.000
<v Speaker 2>trying to everybody was Elena, then nobody would be the Elena.

577
00:31:12.279 --> 00:31:14.680
<v Speaker 2>But the other pieces, I think they actually resolved her

578
00:31:14.759 --> 00:31:19.319
<v Speaker 2>issues of freedom and control and autonomy in ant Man

579
00:31:19.319 --> 00:31:21.480
<v Speaker 2>in the Wasp like she comes in, I think with

580
00:31:21.559 --> 00:31:27.400
<v Speaker 2>her story most kind of resolved of of everybody. So

581
00:31:28.200 --> 00:31:33.440
<v Speaker 2>now we get to the Century and the void. All right, JJ,

582
00:31:34.960 --> 00:31:37.920
<v Speaker 2>could you give us a primer take it away?

583
00:31:38.000 --> 00:31:38.319
<v Speaker 1>JJ?

584
00:31:38.839 --> 00:31:41.720
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, Well, which aspect do you want to talk about?

585
00:31:41.799 --> 00:31:41.960
<v Speaker 1>Right?

586
00:31:42.000 --> 00:31:44.759
<v Speaker 5>I mean, that's the whole point of the Century is

587
00:31:44.799 --> 00:31:47.559
<v Speaker 5>that a lot of people will talk objectively about the

588
00:31:47.559 --> 00:31:51.240
<v Speaker 5>difference between the Century in the Marvel universe, in Superman

589
00:31:51.559 --> 00:31:55.240
<v Speaker 5>in the DC universe, in that the Century was Marvel's

590
00:31:55.279 --> 00:31:59.000
<v Speaker 5>attempt at trying to take on someone who is completely

591
00:31:59.359 --> 00:32:04.240
<v Speaker 5>in vulnerable and completely all powerful, which I think when

592
00:32:04.240 --> 00:32:08.920
<v Speaker 5>you consider the way that Marvel creates a story versus

593
00:32:08.960 --> 00:32:11.960
<v Speaker 5>the way DC creates a story, that's why you end

594
00:32:12.039 --> 00:32:15.519
<v Speaker 5>up with the void. Right, that all of Marvel characters

595
00:32:15.920 --> 00:32:20.319
<v Speaker 5>historically have had deep flaws, and for Marvel to approach

596
00:32:20.359 --> 00:32:26.000
<v Speaker 5>the idea of this all powerful, unstoppable thing, what Marvel

597
00:32:26.039 --> 00:32:28.599
<v Speaker 5>wants to infuse in that story, and this does exist

598
00:32:28.599 --> 00:32:31.000
<v Speaker 5>in the comics as well, is that there is a

599
00:32:31.119 --> 00:32:35.960
<v Speaker 5>shadow of that that is part of that power as well.

600
00:32:36.039 --> 00:32:38.599
<v Speaker 5>And so what we get in the story is that

601
00:32:39.319 --> 00:32:42.720
<v Speaker 5>if you create something that's all powerful and you can't

602
00:32:42.799 --> 00:32:45.359
<v Speaker 5>kill it, then the thing that will take over in

603
00:32:46.559 --> 00:32:50.920
<v Speaker 5>its vulnerability, I'll say, when it is traumatized, is this

604
00:32:51.079 --> 00:32:58.039
<v Speaker 5>deep shadow, all powerful, all consuming void. And I loved

605
00:32:58.240 --> 00:33:01.359
<v Speaker 5>the way that we dealt with it. Didn't realize that

606
00:33:01.440 --> 00:33:05.279
<v Speaker 5>it was a realm until we went there with the characters.

607
00:33:05.519 --> 00:33:09.519
<v Speaker 5>I thought, I didn't find the hug zappy because I

608
00:33:09.599 --> 00:33:13.960
<v Speaker 5>actually was bought in with the entire process of dealing

609
00:33:13.960 --> 00:33:18.039
<v Speaker 5>with power, dealing with power's shadow, and figuring out that

610
00:33:18.119 --> 00:33:20.759
<v Speaker 5>the way to pull ourselves through that is to realize

611
00:33:20.759 --> 00:33:23.079
<v Speaker 5>that we're not alone. I thought it was a great

612
00:33:23.160 --> 00:33:27.680
<v Speaker 5>sort of physical manifestation of that piece, and I loved it.

613
00:33:27.720 --> 00:33:30.119
<v Speaker 5>I was really into it. So you have the century,

614
00:33:30.319 --> 00:33:32.920
<v Speaker 5>you have the void, which, again, to bring up your point, Pete,

615
00:33:32.920 --> 00:33:34.960
<v Speaker 5>I hadn't thought about the fact that there were three

616
00:33:35.000 --> 00:33:39.799
<v Speaker 5>different super soldiers, and of course the century is an

617
00:33:39.880 --> 00:33:42.839
<v Speaker 5>experimental mistake as a result of a different serum. You know,

618
00:33:42.880 --> 00:33:46.240
<v Speaker 5>this kind of piece. I think it makes for a

619
00:33:46.440 --> 00:33:51.319
<v Speaker 5>very powerful story to see how all these character flaws,

620
00:33:51.319 --> 00:33:55.720
<v Speaker 5>all this ragtag band comes together to create an interesting

621
00:33:55.920 --> 00:33:57.200
<v Speaker 5>hole that can work together.

622
00:33:58.839 --> 00:34:00.720
<v Speaker 1>I was I think I brought it up to either

623
00:34:00.960 --> 00:34:01.720
<v Speaker 1>Pete or JJ.

624
00:34:01.839 --> 00:34:04.200
<v Speaker 7>Maybe not, but I One of the things that I

625
00:34:04.240 --> 00:34:06.759
<v Speaker 7>recognized about the trailer is this is the first trailer

626
00:34:06.759 --> 00:34:09.840
<v Speaker 7>where they didn't show the bad guy. He showed him

627
00:34:09.880 --> 00:34:12.480
<v Speaker 7>from the back, he showed him from a silhouette. Well,

628
00:34:12.480 --> 00:34:14.760
<v Speaker 7>then I learned he is just so, he doesn't have

629
00:34:14.800 --> 00:34:19.199
<v Speaker 7>a faith, that's why black and two weird eyes. So

630
00:34:19.360 --> 00:34:20.440
<v Speaker 7>I get it fair enough.

631
00:34:21.119 --> 00:34:21.320
<v Speaker 5>Well.

632
00:34:21.360 --> 00:34:23.719
<v Speaker 2>Also the fact that we don't ever see him in

633
00:34:23.840 --> 00:34:25.880
<v Speaker 2>hero mode like in the movie. We get him in

634
00:34:25.920 --> 00:34:29.559
<v Speaker 2>his golden gods, you know, evolution, and they don't show

635
00:34:29.559 --> 00:34:32.360
<v Speaker 2>that either. I think I think they actually held it

636
00:34:32.400 --> 00:34:37.639
<v Speaker 2>with some intention. Yeah, and I appreciated that. Yeah, showed

637
00:34:37.719 --> 00:34:41.320
<v Speaker 2>valuable restraint in that in my and I think.

638
00:34:41.199 --> 00:34:44.119
<v Speaker 7>Lewis Pullman played both sides of that really really well.

639
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<v Speaker 7>I mean, he's so good, so good at the emotional

640
00:34:47.519 --> 00:34:49.639
<v Speaker 7>and fragile part. But I also believed him when he

641
00:34:49.719 --> 00:34:53.880
<v Speaker 7>was slowly becoming a sociopath, as you know, dealing with

642
00:34:53.960 --> 00:34:56.400
<v Speaker 7>manic depression, going back and forth, back and forth, feeling

643
00:34:56.440 --> 00:35:00.880
<v Speaker 7>because they say he has feelings of grandeur, delusions of

644
00:35:00.880 --> 00:35:04.599
<v Speaker 7>grandeur while also being desperately insecure. I mean, that is

645
00:35:04.679 --> 00:35:07.599
<v Speaker 7>a recipe for disaster. That's not who you give that

646
00:35:07.639 --> 00:35:10.119
<v Speaker 7>suit du so. I just think he is. He really

647
00:35:10.159 --> 00:35:13.960
<v Speaker 7>came on my radar for Bad Times at the l Royale. Yeah,

648
00:35:14.519 --> 00:35:16.559
<v Speaker 7>and he's been on my radar ever since.

649
00:35:16.599 --> 00:35:17.599
<v Speaker 1>I think he's awesome.

650
00:35:17.920 --> 00:35:21.719
<v Speaker 8>And we've seen him do vulnerable and insecure and scared

651
00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:27.159
<v Speaker 8>so well a few times. So to see him powerful

652
00:35:27.199 --> 00:35:31.239
<v Speaker 8>and cocky and sexy was mesmerizing.

653
00:35:31.280 --> 00:35:32.199
<v Speaker 6>I was so impressed.

654
00:35:32.280 --> 00:35:38.559
<v Speaker 2>I love him perfect. He was wonderful in Lessons in Chemistry,

655
00:35:38.760 --> 00:35:41.960
<v Speaker 2>terrific show Bad Times at the l Royal, obviously, and

656
00:35:42.320 --> 00:35:49.719
<v Speaker 2>he was also Bob in Top Gun Maverick, outstanding, outstanding,

657
00:35:50.920 --> 00:35:53.000
<v Speaker 2>the history of Bob all right.

658
00:35:53.039 --> 00:35:55.599
<v Speaker 7>He was one pilot that didn't take your shirt off.

659
00:35:57.320 --> 00:35:59.840
<v Speaker 7>Now he can take his shirt off. Good job, Bob, right,

660
00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:01.559
<v Speaker 7>he gets to take a shirt of him. And do

661
00:36:01.639 --> 00:36:05.039
<v Speaker 7>you know what he deserves? To take that shirt, Bob,

662
00:36:05.159 --> 00:36:08.960
<v Speaker 7>well done on you man, Well done. What do we

663
00:36:09.039 --> 00:36:12.679
<v Speaker 7>think about our fair director Jake Schreyer?

664
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<v Speaker 4>We are?

665
00:36:13.679 --> 00:36:14.639
<v Speaker 2>Are we fans of Jake?

666
00:36:14.719 --> 00:36:15.159
<v Speaker 1>Do we know?

667
00:36:16.079 --> 00:36:18.239
<v Speaker 2>Did you go into this knowing that Jake was the

668
00:36:18.280 --> 00:36:19.280
<v Speaker 2>director of this movie?

669
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<v Speaker 8>No?

670
00:36:20.039 --> 00:36:20.440
<v Speaker 1>Who is?

671
00:36:21.920 --> 00:36:24.880
<v Speaker 2>You know? Jake is? He's an interesting guy I have.

672
00:36:26.760 --> 00:36:29.920
<v Speaker 2>I went into this movie knowing that he had done

673
00:36:30.159 --> 00:36:34.639
<v Speaker 2>some recent work on a video with Selena Gomez and

674
00:36:34.639 --> 00:36:38.800
<v Speaker 2>Benny Bianco Blanco Bianco anyway, so I'd seen that video.

675
00:36:39.960 --> 00:36:43.119
<v Speaker 2>He did an episode of Skeleton Crew, so I knew

676
00:36:43.119 --> 00:36:47.039
<v Speaker 2>his name was from from that. But he also directed

677
00:36:49.320 --> 00:36:53.639
<v Speaker 2>Paper Moon, Paper Towns, the John Green adaptation.

678
00:36:54.000 --> 00:36:57.039
<v Speaker 8>Oh I read that. I didn't see it, but I'm looking.

679
00:36:57.320 --> 00:36:59.920
<v Speaker 8>He directed Beat six episode episodes and.

680
00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:02.079
<v Speaker 6>I loved Yeah.

681
00:37:02.480 --> 00:37:02.719
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

682
00:37:02.760 --> 00:37:06.599
<v Speaker 2>You look at his IMDb and he's been much busier

683
00:37:07.000 --> 00:37:10.719
<v Speaker 2>than a lot of new Marvel directors who just make

684
00:37:10.760 --> 00:37:13.119
<v Speaker 2>a thing and then blow up and get a Marvel show.

685
00:37:13.159 --> 00:37:17.639
<v Speaker 2>This guy has has been working for some time and

686
00:37:17.760 --> 00:37:20.000
<v Speaker 2>has a number of credits that I think are are

687
00:37:21.199 --> 00:37:25.079
<v Speaker 2>notable to be given this movie. Like I feel like

688
00:37:25.199 --> 00:37:27.000
<v Speaker 2>he's sort of I don't know's it unfair to say

689
00:37:27.039 --> 00:37:31.599
<v Speaker 2>he's really earned it? Right, he's and I can tell

690
00:37:31.679 --> 00:37:36.280
<v Speaker 2>I can feel it. Steve taught me years ago about

691
00:37:36.360 --> 00:37:40.239
<v Speaker 2>just this feeling of competence in a director like I

692
00:37:40.280 --> 00:37:44.320
<v Speaker 2>am in good hands. This is a confident, competent film.

693
00:37:44.679 --> 00:37:47.360
<v Speaker 2>I didn't feel like I shouldn't trust it. The only

694
00:37:47.400 --> 00:37:49.480
<v Speaker 2>time I felt like I was on the edge was

695
00:37:49.559 --> 00:37:52.320
<v Speaker 2>at the end, because it felt like it ended abruptly,

696
00:37:52.840 --> 00:37:55.320
<v Speaker 2>not because the movie didn't end when it needed to,

697
00:37:55.679 --> 00:37:59.280
<v Speaker 2>but because I wasn't ready to stop watching it. And

698
00:37:59.400 --> 00:38:00.719
<v Speaker 2>that's a good, good feeling.

699
00:38:01.079 --> 00:38:03.159
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, right, Mission accomplished.

700
00:38:03.280 --> 00:38:05.239
<v Speaker 2>Mission accomplished for sure.

701
00:38:06.079 --> 00:38:09.679
<v Speaker 3>Robot and Frank. Have you guys seen Robot and Frank? Okay,

702
00:38:09.719 --> 00:38:12.519
<v Speaker 3>you need to see that because it's Franklin Gella And yeah,

703
00:38:12.639 --> 00:38:16.920
<v Speaker 3>knowing that Jake directed Robot and Frank makes sense now

704
00:38:17.199 --> 00:38:20.519
<v Speaker 3>with just the feel of Thunderbolts, because it is it's

705
00:38:20.559 --> 00:38:23.119
<v Speaker 3>like that. You think it's this like high concept comedy

706
00:38:23.239 --> 00:38:26.599
<v Speaker 3>like you know, older man in his sixties, that's Robot. Oh,

707
00:38:26.679 --> 00:38:29.239
<v Speaker 3>it's gonna be quirky and you know, goofy. But it

708
00:38:29.320 --> 00:38:33.320
<v Speaker 3>has such heart to it and speaks to humanity and

709
00:38:33.360 --> 00:38:35.599
<v Speaker 3>everything it is. If you can find it, if it's

710
00:38:35.599 --> 00:38:38.400
<v Speaker 3>streaming anywhere, check it out. It's from twenty twelve, but

711
00:38:38.480 --> 00:38:40.360
<v Speaker 3>it is. It is one of those small films that

712
00:38:40.400 --> 00:38:42.239
<v Speaker 3>flew under the ritter. But people that saw it were like,

713
00:38:42.639 --> 00:38:44.519
<v Speaker 3>this is. They don't make movies like this.

714
00:38:44.599 --> 00:38:45.079
<v Speaker 5>They just don't.

715
00:38:45.119 --> 00:38:47.840
<v Speaker 3>People don't see these types of things. And so seeing that,

716
00:38:47.960 --> 00:38:51.159
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, ah, that makes sense. Why Thunderbolts has that

717
00:38:51.599 --> 00:38:53.800
<v Speaker 3>heart that it does. That's that's part of who he

718
00:38:53.920 --> 00:38:56.519
<v Speaker 3>is is a filmmaker, at least from Robot and Frank.

719
00:38:56.599 --> 00:38:57.599
<v Speaker 1>I see that in his work.

720
00:38:57.920 --> 00:39:01.360
<v Speaker 7>He really mastered tone in a way that hasn't been

721
00:39:01.480 --> 00:39:03.800
<v Speaker 7>mastered that well in some of these Marvel movies that

722
00:39:03.840 --> 00:39:07.079
<v Speaker 7>you have, like on one side, David Harber doing like

723
00:39:07.119 --> 00:39:10.360
<v Speaker 7>a crazy caricature but doesn't go too far. And then

724
00:39:10.440 --> 00:39:15.360
<v Speaker 7>these honest, I mean, in a lesser director's hands, this

725
00:39:15.360 --> 00:39:18.719
<v Speaker 7>would feel like whiplash, like a bunch of yuck yucks,

726
00:39:18.719 --> 00:39:20.360
<v Speaker 7>and then we're talking about depression and then we're doing

727
00:39:20.360 --> 00:39:23.199
<v Speaker 7>this and instead he really knew when to slow down.

728
00:39:23.719 --> 00:39:27.719
<v Speaker 7>He really filmed the ensemble outstandingly. This shared some of

729
00:39:27.719 --> 00:39:30.400
<v Speaker 7>the same camera work as Guardians of the Galaxy and

730
00:39:30.480 --> 00:39:34.119
<v Speaker 7>Civil War of not just having I'm gonna watch you fight,

731
00:39:34.159 --> 00:39:35.800
<v Speaker 7>I'm gonna watch you fight I'm gonna watch you fight

732
00:39:35.840 --> 00:39:39.960
<v Speaker 7>instead doing these elaborate choreograph one shots where you're seeing

733
00:39:39.960 --> 00:39:42.760
<v Speaker 7>this person punch someone out and then you're following this person.

734
00:39:42.880 --> 00:39:44.920
<v Speaker 7>So it's almost like a ballet even though it's just

735
00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:46.840
<v Speaker 7>punching and shooting. It's really exciting to see.

736
00:39:47.519 --> 00:39:49.760
<v Speaker 5>One of my favorite things about the movie is that

737
00:39:49.880 --> 00:39:53.639
<v Speaker 5>it's pacing. In general. I think it is paced very

738
00:39:53.679 --> 00:39:57.320
<v Speaker 5>different than most Marvel movies. It gives space where it

739
00:39:57.400 --> 00:39:59.159
<v Speaker 5>needs it, and I really feel like that's a function

740
00:39:59.199 --> 00:40:02.119
<v Speaker 5>of the director taking the script and saying, no, we're

741
00:40:02.159 --> 00:40:04.760
<v Speaker 5>gonna we're gonna spend time here in a way that

742
00:40:04.800 --> 00:40:07.000
<v Speaker 5>I noticed, especially in the first third of the film,

743
00:40:07.360 --> 00:40:10.960
<v Speaker 5>as we're developing our relationship with these characters that were

744
00:40:11.519 --> 00:40:14.760
<v Speaker 5>tiny characters before, or smaller characters before. I just think

745
00:40:14.800 --> 00:40:16.559
<v Speaker 5>it's done really well in that regard.

746
00:40:17.599 --> 00:40:19.440
<v Speaker 3>That's why I think in the trailer they could have

747
00:40:19.639 --> 00:40:21.840
<v Speaker 3>they they did such a great job. You could you

748
00:40:21.840 --> 00:40:26.639
<v Speaker 3>could hide Bob Sentry as the villain, because just a movie,

749
00:40:26.880 --> 00:40:28.599
<v Speaker 3>you know, as you said in that first third, just

750
00:40:28.639 --> 00:40:32.320
<v Speaker 3>an entire film of these characters trying to escape from

751
00:40:32.400 --> 00:40:36.719
<v Speaker 3>this place was just compelling to watch because we're getting that,

752
00:40:36.800 --> 00:40:39.199
<v Speaker 3>you know, character development, but it's like just that struggle

753
00:40:39.199 --> 00:40:41.519
<v Speaker 3>between them with the ego, the attitudes, all of that.

754
00:40:41.719 --> 00:40:43.800
<v Speaker 3>I thought this could be the whole movie of just

755
00:40:43.840 --> 00:40:48.000
<v Speaker 3>them figuring out how to become a team. I thought, this,

756
00:40:48.000 --> 00:40:50.440
<v Speaker 3>this is really complaining, unlike anything Marvel's done, and I

757
00:40:50.440 --> 00:40:52.760
<v Speaker 3>thought I would have been just satisfied with that. It

758
00:40:52.800 --> 00:40:55.360
<v Speaker 3>reminded me of like movies like Cube, where it's like

759
00:40:55.360 --> 00:40:57.079
<v Speaker 3>we're gonna put them together and they got to figure

760
00:40:57.119 --> 00:40:59.400
<v Speaker 3>it out together how to do that, So that whole

761
00:40:59.440 --> 00:41:03.079
<v Speaker 3>climbing up the elevator shaft, all of those things. It

762
00:41:03.159 --> 00:41:05.760
<v Speaker 3>was such a different feel for Marvel at different pace,

763
00:41:05.800 --> 00:41:08.920
<v Speaker 3>and I thought, here's here's We're not getting into ridiculous

764
00:41:09.079 --> 00:41:13.360
<v Speaker 3>jokey stuff. It's none of that. It just really was

765
00:41:13.559 --> 00:41:16.440
<v Speaker 3>earnest and serious about I'm going to take these these

766
00:41:16.519 --> 00:41:19.679
<v Speaker 3>characters that nobody you know, every sort of written off

767
00:41:19.679 --> 00:41:22.239
<v Speaker 3>a side characters and take them seriously and say, Okay,

768
00:41:22.559 --> 00:41:25.239
<v Speaker 3>let's put them in this tough situation and how are

769
00:41:25.239 --> 00:41:27.159
<v Speaker 3>they gonna how are they going to come together or

770
00:41:27.239 --> 00:41:30.760
<v Speaker 3>not come together? And that in itself is something compelling

771
00:41:30.800 --> 00:41:31.280
<v Speaker 3>to watch.

772
00:41:31.760 --> 00:41:34.039
<v Speaker 8>I got like a stand by me vibe, and for

773
00:41:34.119 --> 00:41:40.079
<v Speaker 8>the first third you know, it's like they were all arguing, joking, helping, hurting.

774
00:41:40.239 --> 00:41:43.679
<v Speaker 6>It was it was I liked that a lot.

775
00:41:44.760 --> 00:41:48.159
<v Speaker 7>Is part of that maybe a result of the practicality

776
00:41:48.280 --> 00:41:51.519
<v Speaker 7>of these heroes that they can't fly. That apart from ghosts,

777
00:41:51.519 --> 00:41:55.400
<v Speaker 7>they don't have superheroes. It's a bunch of batmans. Is

778
00:41:55.440 --> 00:41:58.760
<v Speaker 7>that when you're forced to be human like that, and

779
00:41:58.800 --> 00:42:02.079
<v Speaker 7>in Cheme, you have to come up with practical, non

780
00:42:02.199 --> 00:42:06.119
<v Speaker 7>cgi ways to solve things. You can't fly, You have

781
00:42:06.199 --> 00:42:08.920
<v Speaker 7>to take a weird limousine across the desert. I wonder

782
00:42:08.960 --> 00:42:11.960
<v Speaker 7>if some of that is it's just it's it's automatically

783
00:42:11.960 --> 00:42:15.079
<v Speaker 7>so much more grounded than Red Presidents. I don't remember,

784
00:42:16.360 --> 00:42:17.800
<v Speaker 7>you know what I mean, Like, it just puts you

785
00:42:17.920 --> 00:42:20.920
<v Speaker 7>in a human situation more than a lot of these

786
00:42:20.960 --> 00:42:22.119
<v Speaker 7>other movies can afford.

787
00:42:22.599 --> 00:42:25.880
<v Speaker 2>It was delightfully practical in all of the ways that

788
00:42:25.960 --> 00:42:29.280
<v Speaker 2>I think count right. I just I could feel the

789
00:42:29.320 --> 00:42:32.960
<v Speaker 2>wirework in the fight scenes, particularly in the incinerator sequence.

790
00:42:32.960 --> 00:42:37.280
<v Speaker 2>I thought that was really fun. And you know, whatever

791
00:42:37.360 --> 00:42:41.280
<v Speaker 2>they did to the spider walking out of a well

792
00:42:41.480 --> 00:42:44.920
<v Speaker 2>was just chef's kiss. I thought that was fantastic. I

793
00:42:45.480 --> 00:42:50.159
<v Speaker 2>love that they collectively arrive at the at the puzzle

794
00:42:50.199 --> 00:42:52.920
<v Speaker 2>of how to stop spider walking at the same time,

795
00:42:53.360 --> 00:42:56.559
<v Speaker 2>that was a great beat, A great beat, a great, great,

796
00:42:56.559 --> 00:42:57.079
<v Speaker 2>great beat.

797
00:42:57.599 --> 00:43:00.440
<v Speaker 5>I'd like to ask a question kind of a about

798
00:43:00.559 --> 00:43:03.639
<v Speaker 5>Julia Louis Dreyfuss here too, because we go through the

799
00:43:03.639 --> 00:43:06.599
<v Speaker 5>whole cast here and I saw and Mandy, I'm so

800
00:43:06.639 --> 00:43:08.559
<v Speaker 5>glad you're here to talk about this because one of

801
00:43:08.559 --> 00:43:11.840
<v Speaker 5>the things that Julia said, because they asked her about

802
00:43:11.960 --> 00:43:15.760
<v Speaker 5>in particular Florence Pugh and Geraldine. I'm going to say

803
00:43:15.760 --> 00:43:19.199
<v Speaker 5>that the last name wrong, but this Wonathan, I think, is

804
00:43:19.199 --> 00:43:21.079
<v Speaker 5>how you say her last name, who plays her assistant

805
00:43:21.079 --> 00:43:25.519
<v Speaker 5>in the film. That yes, mel, thank you. Julia mentioned

806
00:43:25.559 --> 00:43:28.639
<v Speaker 5>that they asked Julia about what were some of the

807
00:43:28.639 --> 00:43:31.239
<v Speaker 5>things that she sort of learned and was inspired by

808
00:43:31.239 --> 00:43:33.639
<v Speaker 5>and working with these two women. And one of the

809
00:43:33.639 --> 00:43:35.920
<v Speaker 5>things that Julia picked up on, or that she really

810
00:43:36.039 --> 00:43:38.760
<v Speaker 5>liked about this film that she said was that the

811
00:43:38.800 --> 00:43:43.239
<v Speaker 5>female characters in particular were not defined by their relationships

812
00:43:43.280 --> 00:43:45.320
<v Speaker 5>with the men in the movie, that they all were

813
00:43:45.480 --> 00:43:48.920
<v Speaker 5>standalone characters of their own. And I wanted to know

814
00:43:48.960 --> 00:43:51.039
<v Speaker 5>if you noticed that, because honestly, in watching the film

815
00:43:51.400 --> 00:43:53.599
<v Speaker 5>I didn't, but hearing her say that felt like a

816
00:43:53.599 --> 00:43:56.400
<v Speaker 5>breath of fresh air, and I definitely recognize it now

817
00:43:56.440 --> 00:43:57.480
<v Speaker 5>that it's been highlighted.

818
00:43:57.519 --> 00:44:03.440
<v Speaker 8>For me, I didn't notice it, and I'm appreciating hearing it.

819
00:44:03.519 --> 00:44:05.199
<v Speaker 6>And what is the Bechdel test?

820
00:44:06.000 --> 00:44:06.880
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, that's so.

821
00:44:07.639 --> 00:44:10.519
<v Speaker 6>But I guess this passes and that's thrilling. And it's

822
00:44:10.559 --> 00:44:13.079
<v Speaker 6>thrilling that I wasn't watching.

823
00:44:12.840 --> 00:44:16.039
<v Speaker 8>It going oh good, good, good, because then I would

824
00:44:16.079 --> 00:44:17.760
<v Speaker 8>be taken out of the fun of watching a movie

825
00:44:17.800 --> 00:44:20.280
<v Speaker 8>and being engaged in the story.

826
00:44:20.639 --> 00:44:23.280
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it does both, right, I mean when Yeah, that's

827
00:44:23.280 --> 00:44:24.880
<v Speaker 5>how I felt too when I heard that from her,

828
00:44:24.960 --> 00:44:27.400
<v Speaker 5>because I didn't notice and I just like the care,

829
00:44:27.519 --> 00:44:30.280
<v Speaker 5>like everything we said about Florence p before, like clearly

830
00:44:30.480 --> 00:44:33.719
<v Speaker 5>this is her movie, and at no point where we,

831
00:44:34.119 --> 00:44:36.920
<v Speaker 5>uh you, sort of championing them for the good that

832
00:44:36.920 --> 00:44:39.840
<v Speaker 5>they're doing in that role. We were just appreciating how

833
00:44:39.960 --> 00:44:43.159
<v Speaker 5>well done this movie is in doing that and not

834
00:44:43.159 --> 00:44:45.360
<v Speaker 5>feeling like it had to do anything different in regards

835
00:44:45.440 --> 00:44:48.039
<v Speaker 5>to gender. So I'm glad. I'm glad you felt that

836
00:44:48.079 --> 00:44:49.519
<v Speaker 5>way too, because that's where I was with.

837
00:44:49.440 --> 00:44:53.440
<v Speaker 8>This and casting Julia Luis Dreyfus. Always fun to watch

838
00:44:53.480 --> 00:44:58.400
<v Speaker 8>somebody so beloved, so lovable be so evil. It's just

839
00:44:58.840 --> 00:45:05.119
<v Speaker 8>pure fun, great idea, great casting. She is one of

840
00:45:05.159 --> 00:45:07.039
<v Speaker 8>my idols, so that's.

841
00:45:06.920 --> 00:45:09.840
<v Speaker 5>An I didn't get Elaine vibes from her at all.

842
00:45:10.039 --> 00:45:13.679
<v Speaker 5>In le this was a great role for her because.

843
00:45:14.199 --> 00:45:17.480
<v Speaker 6>Meyer, yeah, I'm going to say, there's walking and talking.

844
00:45:17.239 --> 00:45:22.119
<v Speaker 3>And right, but even her, because if you look at

845
00:45:22.159 --> 00:45:25.880
<v Speaker 3>her as if if she's the next iteration of like

846
00:45:25.920 --> 00:45:29.000
<v Speaker 3>a Nick Fury character, she's even flawed because once Century

847
00:45:29.000 --> 00:45:31.119
<v Speaker 3>gets all his power, he's like, why does a god

848
00:45:31.199 --> 00:45:33.960
<v Speaker 3>need to listen to you? And she's like, oh crap,

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't figured that out. I thought I had outsmart him.

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<v Speaker 3>And then at the end, you know when Elena says,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, okay, we own you now basically, so it's

852
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<v Speaker 3>it's it's even in that role she's this master, but

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<v Speaker 3>even she has her her blind spots and her weaknesses,

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<v Speaker 3>and so we have. And I think that's why that

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<v Speaker 3>fact j AJ may not present itself as obviously because

856
00:45:57.480 --> 00:46:01.559
<v Speaker 3>these just feel like real, fleshed out, rounded people. They're

857
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<v Speaker 3>not types. It's not the damsel in distress that it

858
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<v Speaker 3>needs to be saying. It's just this is a whole

859
00:46:06.239 --> 00:46:08.719
<v Speaker 3>person dealing with life, and they all are, and so

860
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<v Speaker 3>those gender, stereotypes, any of that stuff is not part

861
00:46:12.519 --> 00:46:14.920
<v Speaker 3>of their story anymore because we're just dealing with them

862
00:46:14.960 --> 00:46:20.039
<v Speaker 3>as human beings, struggling with life and how to get

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<v Speaker 3>through that, and learning that it is better to be

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<v Speaker 3>with a group of flawed people than face the darkness alone.

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<v Speaker 3>That these can be the worst people they you know,

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<v Speaker 3>that I can't trust them or whatever, but it's still

867
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<v Speaker 3>better than being alone than that.

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<v Speaker 4>It.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. Yeah, I have this sort of persistent fear that

870
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<v Speaker 2>Julia Luis Dreyfus is just in it for the lulls

871
00:46:46.679 --> 00:46:48.639
<v Speaker 2>and eventually we'll say I don't want to do anymore

872
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<v Speaker 2>because what I want is I want her to continue

873
00:46:51.639 --> 00:46:56.079
<v Speaker 2>to be a fleshed out, troubled Nick Fury. Right, I

874
00:46:56.119 --> 00:46:59.360
<v Speaker 2>want her to be our maladaptive Nick Fury and get

875
00:46:59.360 --> 00:47:02.320
<v Speaker 2>a redemption narc and she needs Runway to do that

876
00:47:02.639 --> 00:47:04.800
<v Speaker 2>because I don't think she's going to get another movie

877
00:47:04.840 --> 00:47:07.800
<v Speaker 2>where she has this big of a part. Right, we

878
00:47:07.880 --> 00:47:11.719
<v Speaker 2>know who Valentina is now, and Nick Fury his part

879
00:47:11.880 --> 00:47:17.559
<v Speaker 2>just went down, down, down over the course of his contributions,

880
00:47:17.960 --> 00:47:22.360
<v Speaker 2>and so I want more Julia Luis drives. I hope

881
00:47:22.400 --> 00:47:25.039
<v Speaker 2>she sticks it out and that she continues to see

882
00:47:25.119 --> 00:47:30.519
<v Speaker 2>value in it. She's terrific. We're going to come back.

883
00:47:30.960 --> 00:47:33.679
<v Speaker 2>We're going to do our Letterbox rankings in just a bit,

884
00:47:33.719 --> 00:47:36.920
<v Speaker 2>but in the form of a teaser. As all good

885
00:47:37.000 --> 00:47:40.280
<v Speaker 2>Marvel movies, we're going to talk about the post credit sequences,

886
00:47:40.719 --> 00:47:42.880
<v Speaker 2>but we're going to do it as a member's only

887
00:47:42.920 --> 00:47:46.840
<v Speaker 2>post credit sequence. So head over to a True Story

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<v Speaker 2>Keep our microphones hot, and food on our plates and

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895
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<v Speaker 2>to do new release movies the weekend they come out

897
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<v Speaker 2>and just retcon to make you think that we're on time,

898
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<v Speaker 2>That's the film board promise. True Story NFM slash join Letterbox.

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<v Speaker 2>We're on Letterbox. Our family of film podcasts is over

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<v Speaker 2>there at letterbox dot com. Slash the next reel out

902
00:48:34.519 --> 00:48:38.159
<v Speaker 2>of five stars. If you are brave, if you're a

903
00:48:38.199 --> 00:48:41.639
<v Speaker 2>real Winter soldier like me, you only use whole stars.

904
00:48:42.400 --> 00:48:44.480
<v Speaker 2>Maybe you're a chump and you use half stars. Half

905
00:48:44.519 --> 00:48:47.920
<v Speaker 2>stars count for some people both the two options the

906
00:48:48.000 --> 00:48:53.079
<v Speaker 2>other braver a chump? And do you give this film

907
00:48:53.119 --> 00:48:53.519
<v Speaker 2>a heart?

908
00:48:53.599 --> 00:48:53.880
<v Speaker 5>JJ?

909
00:48:53.920 --> 00:48:55.119
<v Speaker 2>Where are you going to start.

910
00:48:55.239 --> 00:48:58.280
<v Speaker 5>Well on the brave chump spectrum? I show up those

911
00:48:58.320 --> 00:49:01.519
<v Speaker 5>quite brave this week in two a four stars and

912
00:49:01.559 --> 00:49:05.199
<v Speaker 5>a heart. Yeah, I love it. And because I'm not

913
00:49:05.239 --> 00:49:07.039
<v Speaker 5>doing it because I can't give it a half star,

914
00:49:07.079 --> 00:49:08.920
<v Speaker 5>I just think that's where it really sits for me.

915
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<v Speaker 5>I like I said, it's a top ten Marvel movie

916
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<v Speaker 5>for me. I haven't ranked out everywhere where Day belong,

917
00:49:14.719 --> 00:49:16.679
<v Speaker 5>but I think it's probably around like seven or eight,

918
00:49:16.880 --> 00:49:19.239
<v Speaker 5>is what I'm guessing. I liked it. I'm really happy

919
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<v Speaker 5>with it.

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00:49:19.840 --> 00:49:24.239
<v Speaker 7>Tommy on McKinsey scale, we're all kind of pumpish to

921
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<v Speaker 7>a certain extent.

922
00:49:26.119 --> 00:49:29.880
<v Speaker 1>I believe we're all rump fluid. But I agree with JJ.

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<v Speaker 7>I would give I give it a four, a four

924
00:49:31.599 --> 00:49:34.199
<v Speaker 7>and a heart. I really enjoyed this movie, and this

925
00:49:34.239 --> 00:49:36.559
<v Speaker 7>will be one that I will come back to and again.

926
00:49:37.039 --> 00:49:39.880
<v Speaker 7>It flew by and that is just not my history

927
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<v Speaker 7>with these movies, and so I was really excited, loved

928
00:49:42.639 --> 00:49:43.719
<v Speaker 7>everything about.

929
00:49:43.480 --> 00:49:47.559
<v Speaker 3>It, all right, Steve, Yeah, it's a solid four. This

930
00:49:47.760 --> 00:49:51.800
<v Speaker 3>was it really stood out, maybe because the past match

931
00:49:51.840 --> 00:49:56.039
<v Speaker 3>of Marvel movies have just really really not been great,

932
00:49:56.079 --> 00:49:58.360
<v Speaker 3>and so you know, I had to think about it.

933
00:49:58.400 --> 00:50:01.000
<v Speaker 3>Is it just in comparison just feel so much better?

934
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<v Speaker 3>But you know, after all this time sitting with it,

935
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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, now, this is really solid. As Jay said,

936
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<v Speaker 3>it is one of the top Marvel films for what

937
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<v Speaker 3>it's doing. So four stars and a heart definitely.

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<v Speaker 6>All right, got three point six.

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<v Speaker 8>Just to upset Pete and I'll give a heart and

940
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<v Speaker 8>I'll say, uh, you know, for a non Marvel Knower

941
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<v Speaker 8>it was very entertaining and very funny, and I just

942
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<v Speaker 8>wish people punched each other less.

943
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<v Speaker 2>Okay, let's war hugs less us in the MCU, that's

944
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<v Speaker 2>what we're looking for, Okay.

945
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<v Speaker 6>In the world.

946
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<v Speaker 2>This this has been a real treat. I'm so you guys.

947
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<v Speaker 2>I feel like every time we come together and do

948
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<v Speaker 2>a movie that we generally like we've won the universe

949
00:50:49.519 --> 00:50:52.280
<v Speaker 2>a little bit because our history is not good on

950
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<v Speaker 2>that front. Yes, it has been delightful talking about a

951
00:50:55.719 --> 00:50:59.360
<v Speaker 2>movie that we all genuinely like and appreciate with you

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<v Speaker 2>and a special plug to Mandy. You say you don't

953
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<v Speaker 2>know anything about uh, you know, superheroes and stuff, but

954
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<v Speaker 2>your conversation about Captain America. The first Avenger with John

955
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<v Speaker 2>Monday goes live to members on Monday and to the public,

956
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<v Speaker 2>you know, a week after that. So a whole show

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<v Speaker 2>you did on Captain America. So yes, I say, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>let's not be completely disinting awareness of this stuff. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>And thank you Mandy Kaplin and Justin Yeger and Tommy

960
00:51:40.440 --> 00:51:44.320
<v Speaker 2>Mets Third and Steve Sarmento. You guys are the best.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so so glad we could come together on this show.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you all, dear listeners for your time and attention.

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<v Speaker 2>Whether you agreed or disagreed, or just came here to

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<v Speaker 2>shout at your phones, we appreciate you. If you had forget,

965
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00:52:01.559 --> 00:52:04.599
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<v Speaker 2>exclusive perks and secret channels in Discord whatever you do now,

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<v Speaker 2>watch more movies, don't let them get you angry, and remember,

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<v Speaker 2>go find your crew to help you. Spider walk out

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<v Speaker 2>of a well just in case. Meeting adjourned.