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Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 7: I made sure to ask friend of the show, Darnell
Speaker 7: dash Smith about everything that I needed to know for
Speaker 7: this movie, which was considerable because I don't know if
Speaker 7: any of these people are yes. But he was able
Speaker 7: to fill me in and so yeah, I just expected
Speaker 7: I'd heard some good things. This seemed to be like
Speaker 7: a level up for casting. I was very interested to
Speaker 7: know how this movie would go because I have checked
Speaker 7: out of the Marvels a little while ago.
Speaker 5: You can't say that that's another Marvel movie, because that's
Speaker 5: actually a mar You gotta you gotta choose a different
Speaker 5: thing that you've checked out.
Speaker 2: You didn't check out of the Marbles checked out?
Speaker 7: Oh I thought you said the movie title was called
Speaker 7: checked out.
Speaker 1: That pretty much sums it up.
Speaker 7: But I would like to say the opening thoughts are
Speaker 7: we saying what we thought?
Speaker 1: Are not quite?
Speaker 8: Yes?
Speaker 5: Do it?
Speaker 2: Tom? You have the floor.
Speaker 7: This film I thought was not for me. It was
Speaker 7: very much for me. I had a great time for
Speaker 7: this film, and for the first time in Marvel my
Speaker 7: personal Marvel history, this two hours.
Speaker 1: Flew by nice, So I was really excited.
Speaker 7: I had a really really fun time.
Speaker 5: Okay, all right, wait a minute, can I go next?
Speaker 2: No? Do you want to know why?
Speaker 5: Oh? No?
Speaker 2: Because I actually, I actually have made a drinking game
Speaker 2: out of what I think you're gonna say, and I
Speaker 2: don't want to get drunk yet.
Speaker 5: I love it.
Speaker 2: So I'm going to give this one to Steve.
Speaker 3: Thoughts. There's so much. It started off as one type
Speaker 3: of movie that I was very excited about, and by
Speaker 3: the time we got to the end, it was a
Speaker 3: something completely different from what I expected. And I love
Speaker 3: the fact that Marvel is now found a story to
Speaker 3: tell to the next generation of like teenagers and what
Speaker 3: are the conflicts that they're facing in their lives and
Speaker 3: something I think really speaks to them. And instead of
Speaker 3: speaking to aging comic fanboys, I think they've really identified
Speaker 3: gen z and spoken to them with this film in
Speaker 3: a way that really surprised and impressed me.
Speaker 2: Standing thoughtful, Steve.
Speaker 8: All right, Mandy, Now I'm hoping to say the stuff
Speaker 8: that JJ would say and get you drunk.
Speaker 6: We'll see, we'll see if I can do it.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 8: I knew nothing, but it's part of my charm.
Speaker 6: It's part of who I am.
Speaker 8: I know nothing, and I didn't i'd seen Black Widow
Speaker 8: when it came out a thousand years ago, but that's it.
Speaker 8: I don't know anything about the Avengers or anything, and
Speaker 8: I didn't need to at all. I was I kept up.
Speaker 8: I understood everything. I loved the humor, but I felt
Speaker 8: about it the way I feel about a lot of
Speaker 8: these movies, which is like, why do they have to
Speaker 8: fight so much and chase each other some month? It's
Speaker 8: not It's not my kind of thing. But I really
Speaker 8: I thought it was a fun one. It was a
Speaker 8: good movie. I just get bored with fighting.
Speaker 2: Okay, bored with fighting? All right, JJ, tell us how
Speaker 2: much you love Legion.
Speaker 5: Aging comic fanboys, Gray Fis. I'm already called out, Love Legion,
Speaker 5: Love Legion. It's the first episode of Make Me a
Speaker 5: Nerd with Mandy Kaplan, right right, Yeah, No, I really
Speaker 5: like the movie. I'm very surprised. Tell me that you
Speaker 5: say you don't know any of these people. I think
Speaker 5: that's a gross over generalization. And I know from my
Speaker 5: work with Mandy here too, that you know she's only
Speaker 5: seen a limited number of the Marvel films up to
Speaker 5: this point, or Marvel properties up to this point. That
Speaker 5: being said, I came into this movie with a whole
Speaker 5: lot of low expectations because of the direction that we
Speaker 5: were headed, but I agree that I think this is
Speaker 5: very different from other Marvel movies, and I think that
Speaker 5: people that dislike the fighting might be encouraged by the
Speaker 5: big spoiler alert resolution of the hug that happens that
Speaker 5: saves everything. Is what I will say if they're going
Speaker 5: into this movie. I loved it in a way that
Speaker 5: you know, Tommy's just said it was something that was
Speaker 5: really for him. I think there were at least eight
Speaker 5: conversations in this movie that I thought were speaking directly
Speaker 5: to me as I was watching this film about fighting
Speaker 5: your shadow and about finding your way through all of
Speaker 5: your darkness, and I definitely think this is right out
Speaker 5: see there you go perfect bingo. So so the so
Speaker 5: the idea that this is doing what Marvel movies do
Speaker 5: best in that they are utilizing their platform, their microphone,
Speaker 5: their genre of a superhero film to tell a greater story.
Speaker 5: And it's something that we've loved about the themed movies
Speaker 5: from Marvel in the past, when they've done a detective
Speaker 5: story or they've done a comedy or throughout their superhero movie.
Speaker 5: This one has a very deep, meaningful message that's here
Speaker 5: and that usually it is the superhero vehicle to get
Speaker 5: it through and I loved it. It's the top ten
Speaker 5: Marvel movie for me. I don't want to put it
Speaker 5: ahead of so many other ones that I love, but
Speaker 5: it's definitely in the top ten of what they've done,
Speaker 5: hasn't he too?
Speaker 2: That is that is probably the greatest surprise to me too,
Speaker 2: that this movie is not what I expected at all.
Speaker 2: I didn't expect to love these characters. I didn't expect
Speaker 2: to love their collective journey. I didn't like I didn't
Speaker 2: enjoy Black Widow, and yet Black Widow is a movie
Speaker 2: that is foundational to this because it gives us Yolena.
Speaker 2: I loved The Falcon and the Winter Soldier and I
Speaker 2: was I was. I don't know if it, but I
Speaker 2: was present for ant Man in the Wasp. I like
Speaker 2: that too, Like there are all of these stories here
Speaker 2: are made so much better taken out of the context
Speaker 2: of the movies that spawned them. For me, these people
Speaker 2: are interesting. I have one of the things I feel
Speaker 2: like I must take from a sister show sitting in
Speaker 2: the dark. I do have an axe to grind, and
Speaker 2: it's right up front, and I have to get it
Speaker 2: off my chest or I'm gonna stew and simmer and
Speaker 2: my face is going to get really red. Task Master.
Speaker 7: That the person that got shot right at the beginning.
Speaker 2: Yes, why were they everywhere? Tom, They're on all the posters.
Speaker 2: Task is such an interesting character to me, and they
Speaker 2: oft her in the worst, easiest, stupidest, low hanging fruit way.
Speaker 2: I don't understand it. If there is some comic twist
Speaker 2: that I just missed, I am ready to be at educated,
Speaker 2: but this this was terrible.
Speaker 6: Who the hell is task Master?
Speaker 1: One of the dies in the furnace room?
Speaker 8: Okay, so that she pulls off her mask and Yelena
Speaker 8: knows her and then she's gone.
Speaker 5: She's also the villain from Black Widow. This is so
Speaker 5: if you've seen Black Wadow, you know her from there.
Speaker 8: Yeah, okay, maybe she has a really good agent and
Speaker 8: she in this movie just to cash those sweet sweet checks.
Speaker 2: That's right. She her her ability is that she is
Speaker 2: a mimic. Anybody she's fighting, she can fight exactly like
Speaker 2: them immediately. So she's fun to watch because you know
Speaker 2: the way they design fights as effectively mirrors of one another.
Speaker 2: Whoever she's fighting is fantastic and fun and a real showcase.
Speaker 2: And they just offed her. So early I was. I
Speaker 2: was floored that they that they did that particular rug
Speaker 2: pull that felt purposeless. So that that, notwithstanding, I really
Speaker 2: liked the movie. How about that, I really really liked
Speaker 2: the movie.
Speaker 8: By your intro, I thought you didn't. You're that's if
Speaker 8: I made brand.
Speaker 6: Oh it's like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I have a that's a brand. I have
Speaker 2: a brand. I'm glad you're here. Maybe you're learning so
Speaker 2: much today, JJ I.
Speaker 5: Am speaking about your acts. I think I think I
Speaker 5: agree with you that it's purposeless. I can't make any
Speaker 5: apologies for it.
Speaker 7: That.
Speaker 5: You know, my kids that saw the movie, that was
Speaker 5: their biggest frustration with it. They they were prepped for
Speaker 5: some depth to the task Master story and it doesn't
Speaker 5: really make sense other than maybe it's saving room and
Speaker 5: the story for more people to run with the ball.
Speaker 5: I don't I don't have a good answer for it.
Speaker 5: It feels very it feels very sudden and without merit.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I agree with you. I guess this is
Speaker 5: my point.
Speaker 3: I have thoughts about that because I I puzzled over
Speaker 3: that as well, like, Okay, what why have this character
Speaker 3: present at all? If we're going to just kill somebody else?
Speaker 3: So there's got to be some purpose to that. So
Speaker 3: I have to look at it in terms of storytelling.
Speaker 3: So it's it's US agent Captain John Walker that just
Speaker 3: shoots her pretty much in the face, right, I mean,
Speaker 3: what does that tell us about him? What is it
Speaker 3: establishing with him as a person for this audience. If
Speaker 3: you haven't seen Falcon and Winter Soldier, you don't know
Speaker 3: his backstory. You've got to know this guy just he
Speaker 3: can be brutal, and you know there's allusions to what
Speaker 3: he did why he sort of is a disgraced hero.
Speaker 3: But if you haven't seen that, we need this. You know,
Speaker 3: he's a shady character and we need him to do
Speaker 3: something really dark and disturbing. And that's the only thing
Speaker 3: that I could bring to that is it. Sure, it
Speaker 3: gives us space for another character, but it conveys a
Speaker 3: lot about that person who kills her immediately. It's his job.
Speaker 3: He just does it cold heartless, doesn't care.
Speaker 7: That's a good point because again I had not seen
Speaker 7: Black Widow, Falcon in the Winter Soldier, or certainly hit
Speaker 7: Man in The Lost so I really didn't know anything
Speaker 7: about any of these people other than what Dash told me.
Speaker 7: So that was helpful.
Speaker 5: So what they did is they went through all the
Speaker 5: marvel properties that these people came from, found out which
Speaker 5: one had the lowest ratings, and made sure that that
Speaker 5: one is the person to kill task most. Just how
Speaker 5: equal that person is, because we need them to really
Speaker 5: know how bad that No, I'm just kidding, but yeah,
Speaker 5: that's that's the interesting thing.
Speaker 2: I am often duped by this kind of logic because
Speaker 2: I feel a certain way about a thing, and then
Speaker 2: Steve comes along and says, Pete, that's by design you
Speaker 2: have to feel that way, And I think, oh, crab,
Speaker 2: I've been I've been shanghaied emotionally shanghaied. Again, I think
Speaker 2: you're probably exactly right, Like this is a this is
Speaker 2: an issue of character economy. It just sucks that they
Speaker 2: did it with a really great character.
Speaker 3: I agree one hundred percent. There could have been another way.
Speaker 3: There should have been another way to get that about
Speaker 3: him in there. But because I thought, if you're going
Speaker 3: to introduce a character just to kill them off, you
Speaker 3: know that, pick something else, have him do something else.
Speaker 3: But for whatever reason, that's the decision they made. The quote,
Speaker 3: my quote of the year is people see the decisions
Speaker 3: you make, not the choices you have. So they may
Speaker 3: have had all their options and realized those were even worse.
Speaker 1: Task Master talk.
Speaker 7: No, Yeah, well that's another big reason right there, she says.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she talks in Black Widow. She does at the end.
Speaker 1: I didn't see Black Widow. Okay.
Speaker 7: I was wondering if she didn't talk, then that would
Speaker 7: be another reason.
Speaker 5: Well, she has a lot, Okay, So this is the point.
Speaker 5: I guess. She's not known for being a talkative character.
Speaker 7: Everybody else in this movie is, and so that's really
Speaker 7: how we meet them, get to know them, that's how
Speaker 7: they form as a team. So if you had to
Speaker 7: get rid of someone who is wearing a something that
Speaker 7: is covering their face all the time, then maybe that
Speaker 7: would be the other.
Speaker 2: Get rid of the social introvert.
Speaker 5: I get it.
Speaker 2: I get what you're saying here speaking of this as
Speaker 2: a mental health movie before we get into the individual characters,
Speaker 2: which I want to walk through that I think it's
Speaker 2: fair to say that might have been the biggest surprise
Speaker 2: to me is just how much this movie wanted to
Speaker 2: present a perspective on many different angles of mental health
Speaker 2: and healing. And I would love to hear how you
Speaker 2: my brilliant friends perceived that.
Speaker 5: I think it felt graceful. I mean, that's what I
Speaker 5: would say about it, and I think that might be
Speaker 5: why people don't see it as excessive in its storytelling
Speaker 5: and its desire to do what you mentioned that it
Speaker 5: tried to do in bringing in a wealth or a
Speaker 5: group of different ways to approach similar problems with mental health.
Speaker 5: It did it in a way, again, like I said
Speaker 5: in the intro, used its vehicle, used its theme to
Speaker 5: approach them in a graceful way. And I was happy
Speaker 5: with the way that they attacked these things. I think
Speaker 5: you know, in a really interesting point here, this is
Speaker 5: a Marvel movie that does not shy away from attacking
Speaker 5: suicide in many different ways. It answers that or asks
Speaker 5: the question of what are you going to do to
Speaker 5: reconcile with the evil that you've created? And it has
Speaker 5: different answers to that question for each character. And I
Speaker 5: think that was really graceful and allowed accessibility for all
Speaker 5: different kinds of people in the audience.
Speaker 7: Without giving everyone. I think when you said, did you
Speaker 7: say elegant graceful, what did you say, guy graceful? Another
Speaker 7: part of its gracefulness is not giving everyone the exact
Speaker 7: same amount of time, because that's what I was waiting for.
Speaker 7: Once the big group hug to be honest, which again
Speaker 7: is pretty sappy, is pretty There's some pretty sacrine moments
Speaker 7: in this movie for me, but it's sappy and sacrid
Speaker 7: about stuff that I care about instead of big red presidents,
Speaker 7: And so I got much more excited by that they're.
Speaker 1: A big red president of the last one we talked about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was good.
Speaker 7: Uh, And I after the Big Hug, I was like, Okay,
Speaker 7: so now's the next hour of the movie, because it's
Speaker 7: marvel that we have to bustle through it. Instead, it
Speaker 7: ended and I was like, wow, like they found an
Speaker 7: economy where they handled a really big ensemble but deftly
Speaker 7: and just gave enough time to the right people and
Speaker 7: knew that really the story is Helena is really Florence
Speaker 7: Pugh's story at Lewis Pullman's story. Let's keep the focus
Speaker 7: on there. And I thought that was There was a
Speaker 7: lot of restraint in this movie that has been missing
Speaker 7: in this in these movies.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's heavy. And although in my opening
Speaker 3: statement I said it was a movie for for gen
Speaker 3: Z or whatever, but you know, you you look at
Speaker 3: because you know, Red Red Guardian of uh, you know,
Speaker 3: talking about you know, sort of Gen X living in
Speaker 3: the shadow of the boomers who had all this wealth
Speaker 3: and prosperity, and now the guy who was the hero
Speaker 3: who should have all that in a generation that's like,
Speaker 3: we're not living up to the dream, you know, because
Speaker 3: he's all about you know, you get the stuff, and
Speaker 3: the stuff's going to make you happy, and he's not.
Speaker 3: And so I was that hit me more than I
Speaker 3: thought it was going to, because he's such comic relief character,
Speaker 3: but just really resonated with me myself as like, how
Speaker 3: do you struggle with that? Looking at the mini empires?
Speaker 3: Are parents built of going from nothing and all of
Speaker 3: this and wherever they are, and like you have now
Speaker 3: a generation that's like I can't mirror that for my
Speaker 3: generation of like am I a success?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 3: How am I measuring my success? And then to look
Speaker 3: at you know, as I, you know, looked at each
Speaker 3: of these characters, I'm like, there are so many different
Speaker 3: levels of grieving, in different types of grief about what
Speaker 3: that is, you know, whether it's it's trauma, depression, river,
Speaker 3: but there for me, it was just grieving over different
Speaker 3: things in people's lives. And it as soon as that click,
Speaker 3: because I made a note at the being of like, Okay,
Speaker 3: Elene's like got this, like I'm trying to find direction,
Speaker 3: you know, She's like this purpose. I'm like, okay, it's
Speaker 3: her story, you know, it's about finding purpose.
Speaker 1: What is that going to be?
Speaker 3: And then as all the other characters started coming in
Speaker 3: with these things, I thought, oh my gosh, this is
Speaker 3: a completely different movie altogether, Sharper and it's it just
Speaker 3: it was a movie that as those end credits rolled
Speaker 3: and everything, I just still couldn't believe that this had
Speaker 3: been a Marvel movie that had the bravery to take
Speaker 3: on something like this and do it so such a
Speaker 3: balanced way and treat it with all seriousness. Is an
Speaker 3: integral part of the story, rather than oh it's a
Speaker 3: you know, it's a fad, it's a thing, we'll just
Speaker 3: throw it in there. But it was such an they
Speaker 3: found a great way to integrate it with all of
Speaker 3: these characters so well.
Speaker 2: I the Yolena's sort of grief story when she's in
Speaker 2: the void. What I One of the things I thought
Speaker 2: was so artful about that projection was that we got
Speaker 2: to see both what she was living with the fact that,
Speaker 2: through her in action or through her indirect action as
Speaker 2: a child, she killed another child. But what stuck with
Speaker 2: me was Florence Pugh's performance of having to live with
Speaker 2: it right like her. I found her incredibly compelling in
Speaker 2: this movie. She was given so much to do performatively, Mandy,
Speaker 2: do you like her? Did you like I always love her?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 8: Yeah, I don't feel qualified to speak about like what
Speaker 8: Marvel has done with topics like this in the past.
Speaker 8: But I was wondering, is this a first for Marvel
Speaker 8: and you I think you're all answering that for me,
Speaker 8: But sitting there realizing the bad guy is within us
Speaker 8: in the dark side and you know our demons, I
Speaker 8: thought that was pretty cool. But then I thought, well,
Speaker 8: maybe they do this in all Marvel movies and I
Speaker 8: just don't know it. So I've had my question answered,
Speaker 8: and I liked the way they addressed it.
Speaker 5: I'm most proud of Marvel as a studio recognizing what
Speaker 5: a star she really is, because I would argue and
Speaker 5: most people haven't seen her. Dialogue with Kate Bishop in
Speaker 5: the Hawkeye series is like the greatest set of dialogue
Speaker 5: that I've seen in any Marvel property over time, and
Speaker 5: it's the kind of thing that that's when I realized,
Speaker 5: I'm like, oh, wait a second, Like she's superior to
Speaker 5: the majority of people that we've seen in this roster.
Speaker 5: And this proves it that Marvel gets it too, that
Speaker 5: really she does deserve her own property and she can
Speaker 5: lead in a great way because I agree with you
Speaker 5: in particular the scene where she and it's Alexi, right,
Speaker 5: that's Red Guardian are on the street talking about again
Speaker 5: how to reconcile with these evil things that they do.
Speaker 5: They have that father and daughter conversation. It was just
Speaker 5: compelling and both these actors delivered it so well. And
Speaker 5: this is the thing, like I love Mandy that you
Speaker 5: can concede that in the movie you have the self
Speaker 5: talk of wait a minute, is this what they do
Speaker 5: all the time, because we're seeing it's something new done
Speaker 5: with actors who can deliver it in a way that
Speaker 5: some ensembles in Marvel. I mean, it's such a big,
Speaker 5: you know, group to talk about, but some ensembles in
Speaker 5: Marvel don't can't bring this along like this, and Florence
Speaker 5: Pew definitely can.
Speaker 6: Yeah, she's wonderful.
Speaker 7: This would be an award winning role if it wasn't
Speaker 7: a superhero movie. She just I mean, like what Pete says,
Speaker 7: she is given so many levels and she acts.
Speaker 1: All of it. And it's so funny too.
Speaker 7: She's so spend so much time depressed and crying, and
Speaker 7: yet her comic timing without being like Dudo is perfect.
Speaker 1: She's just breathtaking, really good.
Speaker 2: I just find her so fantastic. And the way this
Speaker 2: team is built together, the fact that it it feels
Speaker 2: intentionally not Hollywood cast because they put her is she
Speaker 2: is she five feet tall, like next to Alexi like.
Speaker 2: It is so comically miscast, pun intended that these people
Speaker 2: would be together. They look so stink and goofy together
Speaker 2: and yet somehow by the end I buy them as
Speaker 2: a team so literally ragtag right, it just works. She
Speaker 2: is obviously dealing with her loss and her trauma. Her
Speaker 2: bathroom fight with herself is wonderful. The fact that she's
Speaker 2: dealing with the pressures of being an emerging leader while
Speaker 2: she loathes herself at the same time is terrific. Sebastian
Speaker 2: stan So Steve, you talked about your affinity with Red Guardian.
Speaker 2: For me, it was Sebastian Stan it was Bucky former
Speaker 2: Winter Soldier. Metal arm in the dishwasher was an amazing touch.
Speaker 2: I thought that was extraordinary. He's just great. But this
Speaker 2: is a guy whose principal baggage is the search for purpose, right,
Speaker 2: and we got a little bit of that in Captain America,
Speaker 2: the Last Captain America, where he's now running for his senator.
Speaker 2: He's now a junior senator and like he's just trying
Speaker 2: stuff because he does not know how to exist after
Speaker 2: you know, hydra mind control for so many years, after
Speaker 2: being a villain for so many years. And I think
Speaker 2: this was Sebastian Stands probably his best outing in this role,
Speaker 2: because yeah, we got some hero stuff, but we also
Speaker 2: got a guy who who actually got to struggle with
Speaker 2: what to do next. I thought it was great.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I do as well. And I think when
Speaker 5: you're saying all these things, like he's trying all these things,
Speaker 5: trying to figure out who to be after, it's just
Speaker 5: it's more fuel to the fire to what we said
Speaker 5: at the beginning, where this is just another aspect of
Speaker 5: mental health of like a franchise that's aging and trying
Speaker 5: to figure out where it belongs in the world and
Speaker 5: how to create a new chapter in its own life.
Speaker 5: That's Sebastians. That's Bucky's role here right is to show us, Okay,
Speaker 5: I don't have the adventures that I had before, so
Speaker 5: now now what do I do? And it's really neat
Speaker 5: for him to come back and have a heroic turn
Speaker 5: when he's been a little bit of a foil in
Speaker 5: the past past few properties.
Speaker 3: I'm sure that character speaks to veterans all over the
Speaker 3: place of being that soldier out there, and it's like,
Speaker 3: read the packet, read the briefing. That's how you're going
Speaker 3: to get things done. When you're a person of action
Speaker 3: that gets stuff done, to say, well, you got it.
Speaker 3: We just got to tackle paperwork and bureaucracy is how
Speaker 3: we're going to fix things. How frustrating that has to be. Really,
Speaker 3: I am uniquely equipped to do something. You're telling me,
Speaker 3: you know, everything's telling me do it, but the system
Speaker 3: is saying no, you have to sit here in this
Speaker 3: suit and you have to listen at this meeting and
Speaker 3: just not along, you know, and being like a junior senator,
Speaker 3: you're not charge of any committee, you have no decision
Speaker 3: making power, and authority. You know, that's an entirely different
Speaker 3: type of battle that you're fighting. So I thought that
Speaker 3: was an interesting next step for that character to sort
Speaker 3: of see where how he's gonna navigate that because he's
Speaker 3: trying so hard, because it's so much of Okay, great,
Speaker 3: I'm going to get this scrip people. I'm going to
Speaker 3: bring them back because they're going to be my evidence.
Speaker 3: Because he's still trying to play that political game of well,
Speaker 3: if I get these people that have this information, Okay,
Speaker 3: I can, I can do that, Sure, I can. I
Speaker 3: can you know, ride my motorcycle and do all those things,
Speaker 3: you know, But the entire purpose was to get them
Speaker 3: back to d C.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: So he was still grappling with that, which I found
Speaker 3: really really interesting for him.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I love the sort of wandering soul of Bucky Barnes.
Speaker 2: And and I look forward to a long, cinematic, big
Speaker 2: screen career for him now that he's gotten this. You know,
Speaker 2: they're they're in disposition, this new team. Uh and and
Speaker 2: I think he ties to David Harbor, right because Red
Speaker 2: Guardians search isn't necessarily for purpose, for you know, purpose,
Speaker 2: it's for legacy. It's for relevance right in a time
Speaker 2: that has forgotten him. And it did make me think
Speaker 2: as he's sitting on his couch and Elena knocks on
Speaker 2: the door, I realized we're used to one super soldier
Speaker 2: in Steve Rogers, and then we get a super soldier
Speaker 2: in Bucky Barnes. But he's a bit of an inciliar
Speaker 2: character outside of the Winter Soldier, and he becomes something
Speaker 2: more in Winter. This is a movie that's like completely
Speaker 2: slow rolled the fact for me that we have three
Speaker 2: super soldiers on the same team, and nobody said about it,
Speaker 2: like it wasn't like all three of these guys are
Speaker 2: our super soldiers and.
Speaker 6: What defines a super soldier.
Speaker 5: They took a serum in their past that.
Speaker 2: Like okay, yes, yes, yeah, they're all augmented people, and
Speaker 2: yet somehow they still made this team again Tom's words
Speaker 2: to feel ragtag. They're not ragtag in any you know,
Speaker 2: any other context. These are tours.
Speaker 8: I mean, there's so much more layered and human than
Speaker 8: Steve Rogers was when he became Captain America. He just
Speaker 8: became noble and strong and heroic. But these people have
Speaker 8: demons and flaws and real questionable morals with Captain America
Speaker 8: with White Russell.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he is.
Speaker 6: A real jerk.
Speaker 2: He's a real jerk, and I think this is one
Speaker 2: of the things that they say, you know that they
Speaker 2: say in the in this movie. But it's been sort
Speaker 2: of a one of those legacy lines.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: You give a good guy the super Soldier serum, it's
Speaker 2: going to amplify all of the good pieces of him.
Speaker 2: You give people of questionable fiber the super Soldier thing,
Speaker 2: it will augment the questionable aspects of their personality. And
Speaker 2: this is a movie that really allows us to explore
Speaker 2: all of the angles of that, I think in a
Speaker 2: really interesting way. The weakest for me is Ghost and
Speaker 2: I love Ghost, but I don't know that we got
Speaker 2: much from Ghosts.
Speaker 7: Yeah, not as much as everybody else, which again I'm
Speaker 7: okay with. I didn't want it if everyone was Florence Pugh,
Speaker 7: this would be every other Marvel boat, right. She also
Speaker 7: it was interesting maybe what made her stand out is
Speaker 7: she was the most superhero we in that she could
Speaker 7: phase through things. Everyone else is just punching and shooting.
Speaker 7: I did want to call out that. I was so
Speaker 7: excited to see why Russell and Hannah John came in
Speaker 7: back together. It's a reunion from my favorite and the
Speaker 7: scariest Black Mirror episode play.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, people are so I got super Yeah. I
Speaker 2: think the other issue to your point exactly right, like
Speaker 2: the it would be too much if it was, you know,
Speaker 2: trying to everybody was Elena, then nobody would be the Elena.
Speaker 2: But the other pieces, I think they actually resolved her
Speaker 2: issues of freedom and control and autonomy in ant Man
Speaker 2: in the Wasp like she comes in, I think with
Speaker 2: her story most kind of resolved of of everybody. So
Speaker 2: now we get to the Century and the void. All right, JJ,
Speaker 2: could you give us a primer take it away?
Speaker 1: JJ?
Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, which aspect do you want to talk about?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 5: I mean, that's the whole point of the Century is
Speaker 5: that a lot of people will talk objectively about the
Speaker 5: difference between the Century in the Marvel universe, in Superman
Speaker 5: in the DC universe, in that the Century was Marvel's
Speaker 5: attempt at trying to take on someone who is completely
Speaker 5: in vulnerable and completely all powerful, which I think when
Speaker 5: you consider the way that Marvel creates a story versus
Speaker 5: the way DC creates a story, that's why you end
Speaker 5: up with the void. Right, that all of Marvel characters
Speaker 5: historically have had deep flaws, and for Marvel to approach
Speaker 5: the idea of this all powerful, unstoppable thing, what Marvel
Speaker 5: wants to infuse in that story, and this does exist
Speaker 5: in the comics as well, is that there is a
Speaker 5: shadow of that that is part of that power as well.
Speaker 5: And so what we get in the story is that
Speaker 5: if you create something that's all powerful and you can't
Speaker 5: kill it, then the thing that will take over in
Speaker 5: its vulnerability, I'll say, when it is traumatized, is this
Speaker 5: deep shadow, all powerful, all consuming void. And I loved
Speaker 5: the way that we dealt with it. Didn't realize that
Speaker 5: it was a realm until we went there with the characters.
Speaker 5: I thought, I didn't find the hug zappy because I
Speaker 5: actually was bought in with the entire process of dealing
Speaker 5: with power, dealing with power's shadow, and figuring out that
Speaker 5: the way to pull ourselves through that is to realize
Speaker 5: that we're not alone. I thought it was a great
Speaker 5: sort of physical manifestation of that piece, and I loved it.
Speaker 5: I was really into it. So you have the century,
Speaker 5: you have the void, which, again, to bring up your point, Pete,
Speaker 5: I hadn't thought about the fact that there were three
Speaker 5: different super soldiers, and of course the century is an
Speaker 5: experimental mistake as a result of a different serum. You know,
Speaker 5: this kind of piece. I think it makes for a
Speaker 5: very powerful story to see how all these character flaws,
Speaker 5: all this ragtag band comes together to create an interesting
Speaker 5: hole that can work together.
Speaker 1: I was I think I brought it up to either
Speaker 1: Pete or JJ.
Speaker 7: Maybe not, but I One of the things that I
Speaker 7: recognized about the trailer is this is the first trailer
Speaker 7: where they didn't show the bad guy. He showed him
Speaker 7: from the back, he showed him from a silhouette. Well,
Speaker 7: then I learned he is just so, he doesn't have
Speaker 7: a faith, that's why black and two weird eyes. So
Speaker 7: I get it fair enough.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 2: Also the fact that we don't ever see him in
Speaker 2: hero mode like in the movie. We get him in
Speaker 2: his golden gods, you know, evolution, and they don't show
Speaker 2: that either. I think I think they actually held it
Speaker 2: with some intention. Yeah, and I appreciated that. Yeah, showed
Speaker 2: valuable restraint in that in my and I think.
Speaker 7: Lewis Pullman played both sides of that really really well.
Speaker 7: I mean, he's so good, so good at the emotional
Speaker 7: and fragile part. But I also believed him when he
Speaker 7: was slowly becoming a sociopath, as you know, dealing with
Speaker 7: manic depression, going back and forth, back and forth, feeling
Speaker 7: because they say he has feelings of grandeur, delusions of
Speaker 7: grandeur while also being desperately insecure. I mean, that is
Speaker 7: a recipe for disaster. That's not who you give that
Speaker 7: suit du so. I just think he is. He really
Speaker 7: came on my radar for Bad Times at the l Royale. Yeah,
Speaker 7: and he's been on my radar ever since.
Speaker 1: I think he's awesome.
Speaker 8: And we've seen him do vulnerable and insecure and scared
Speaker 8: so well a few times. So to see him powerful
Speaker 8: and cocky and sexy was mesmerizing.
Speaker 6: I was so impressed.
Speaker 2: I love him perfect. He was wonderful in Lessons in Chemistry,
Speaker 2: terrific show Bad Times at the l Royal, obviously, and
Speaker 2: he was also Bob in Top Gun Maverick, outstanding, outstanding,
Speaker 2: the history of Bob all right.
Speaker 7: He was one pilot that didn't take your shirt off.
Speaker 7: Now he can take his shirt off. Good job, Bob, right,
Speaker 7: he gets to take a shirt of him. And do
Speaker 7: you know what he deserves? To take that shirt, Bob,
Speaker 7: well done on you man, Well done. What do we
Speaker 7: think about our fair director Jake Schreyer?
Speaker 4: We are?
Speaker 2: Are we fans of Jake?
Speaker 1: Do we know?
Speaker 2: Did you go into this knowing that Jake was the
Speaker 2: director of this movie?
Speaker 8: No?
Speaker 1: Who is?
Speaker 2: You know? Jake is? He's an interesting guy I have.
Speaker 2: I went into this movie knowing that he had done
Speaker 2: some recent work on a video with Selena Gomez and
Speaker 2: Benny Bianco Blanco Bianco anyway, so I'd seen that video.
Speaker 2: He did an episode of Skeleton Crew, so I knew
Speaker 2: his name was from from that. But he also directed
Speaker 2: Paper Moon, Paper Towns, the John Green adaptation.
Speaker 8: Oh I read that. I didn't see it, but I'm looking.
Speaker 8: He directed Beat six episode episodes and.
Speaker 6: I loved Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: You look at his IMDb and he's been much busier
Speaker 2: than a lot of new Marvel directors who just make
Speaker 2: a thing and then blow up and get a Marvel show.
Speaker 2: This guy has has been working for some time and
Speaker 2: has a number of credits that I think are are
Speaker 2: notable to be given this movie. Like I feel like
Speaker 2: he's sort of I don't know's it unfair to say
Speaker 2: he's really earned it? Right, he's and I can tell
Speaker 2: I can feel it. Steve taught me years ago about
Speaker 2: just this feeling of competence in a director like I
Speaker 2: am in good hands. This is a confident, competent film.
Speaker 2: I didn't feel like I shouldn't trust it. The only
Speaker 2: time I felt like I was on the edge was
Speaker 2: at the end, because it felt like it ended abruptly,
Speaker 2: not because the movie didn't end when it needed to,
Speaker 2: but because I wasn't ready to stop watching it. And
Speaker 2: that's a good, good feeling.
Speaker 6: Yeah, right, Mission accomplished.
Speaker 2: Mission accomplished for sure.
Speaker 3: Robot and Frank. Have you guys seen Robot and Frank? Okay,
Speaker 3: you need to see that because it's Franklin Gella And yeah,
Speaker 3: knowing that Jake directed Robot and Frank makes sense now
Speaker 3: with just the feel of Thunderbolts, because it is it's
Speaker 3: like that. You think it's this like high concept comedy
Speaker 3: like you know, older man in his sixties, that's Robot. Oh,
Speaker 3: it's gonna be quirky and you know, goofy. But it
Speaker 3: has such heart to it and speaks to humanity and
Speaker 3: everything it is. If you can find it, if it's
Speaker 3: streaming anywhere, check it out. It's from twenty twelve, but
Speaker 3: it is. It is one of those small films that
Speaker 3: flew under the ritter. But people that saw it were like,
Speaker 3: this is. They don't make movies like this.
Speaker 5: They just don't.
Speaker 3: People don't see these types of things. And so seeing that,
Speaker 3: I'm like, ah, that makes sense. Why Thunderbolts has that
Speaker 3: heart that it does. That's that's part of who he
Speaker 3: is is a filmmaker, at least from Robot and Frank.
Speaker 1: I see that in his work.
Speaker 7: He really mastered tone in a way that hasn't been
Speaker 7: mastered that well in some of these Marvel movies that
Speaker 7: you have, like on one side, David Harber doing like
Speaker 7: a crazy caricature but doesn't go too far. And then
Speaker 7: these honest, I mean, in a lesser director's hands, this
Speaker 7: would feel like whiplash, like a bunch of yuck yucks,
Speaker 7: and then we're talking about depression and then we're doing
Speaker 7: this and instead he really knew when to slow down.
Speaker 7: He really filmed the ensemble outstandingly. This shared some of
Speaker 7: the same camera work as Guardians of the Galaxy and
Speaker 7: Civil War of not just having I'm gonna watch you fight,
Speaker 7: I'm gonna watch you fight I'm gonna watch you fight
Speaker 7: instead doing these elaborate choreograph one shots where you're seeing
Speaker 7: this person punch someone out and then you're following this person.
Speaker 7: So it's almost like a ballet even though it's just
Speaker 7: punching and shooting. It's really exciting to see.
Speaker 5: One of my favorite things about the movie is that
Speaker 5: it's pacing. In general. I think it is paced very
Speaker 5: different than most Marvel movies. It gives space where it
Speaker 5: needs it, and I really feel like that's a function
Speaker 5: of the director taking the script and saying, no, we're
Speaker 5: gonna we're gonna spend time here in a way that
Speaker 5: I noticed, especially in the first third of the film,
Speaker 5: as we're developing our relationship with these characters that were
Speaker 5: tiny characters before, or smaller characters before. I just think
Speaker 5: it's done really well in that regard.
Speaker 3: That's why I think in the trailer they could have
Speaker 3: they they did such a great job. You could you
Speaker 3: could hide Bob Sentry as the villain, because just a movie,
Speaker 3: you know, as you said in that first third, just
Speaker 3: an entire film of these characters trying to escape from
Speaker 3: this place was just compelling to watch because we're getting that,
Speaker 3: you know, character development, but it's like just that struggle
Speaker 3: between them with the ego, the attitudes, all of that.
Speaker 3: I thought this could be the whole movie of just
Speaker 3: them figuring out how to become a team. I thought, this,
Speaker 3: this is really complaining, unlike anything Marvel's done, and I
Speaker 3: thought I would have been just satisfied with that. It
Speaker 3: reminded me of like movies like Cube, where it's like
Speaker 3: we're gonna put them together and they got to figure
Speaker 3: it out together how to do that, So that whole
Speaker 3: climbing up the elevator shaft, all of those things. It
Speaker 3: was such a different feel for Marvel at different pace,
Speaker 3: and I thought, here's here's We're not getting into ridiculous
Speaker 3: jokey stuff. It's none of that. It just really was
Speaker 3: earnest and serious about I'm going to take these these
Speaker 3: characters that nobody you know, every sort of written off
Speaker 3: a side characters and take them seriously and say, Okay,
Speaker 3: let's put them in this tough situation and how are
Speaker 3: they gonna how are they going to come together or
Speaker 3: not come together? And that in itself is something compelling
Speaker 3: to watch.
Speaker 8: I got like a stand by me vibe, and for
Speaker 8: the first third you know, it's like they were all arguing, joking, helping, hurting.
Speaker 6: It was it was I liked that a lot.
Speaker 7: Is part of that maybe a result of the practicality
Speaker 7: of these heroes that they can't fly. That apart from ghosts,
Speaker 7: they don't have superheroes. It's a bunch of batmans. Is
Speaker 7: that when you're forced to be human like that, and
Speaker 7: in Cheme, you have to come up with practical, non
Speaker 7: cgi ways to solve things. You can't fly, You have
Speaker 7: to take a weird limousine across the desert. I wonder
Speaker 7: if some of that is it's just it's it's automatically
Speaker 7: so much more grounded than Red Presidents. I don't remember,
Speaker 7: you know what I mean, Like, it just puts you
Speaker 7: in a human situation more than a lot of these
Speaker 7: other movies can afford.
Speaker 2: It was delightfully practical in all of the ways that
Speaker 2: I think count right. I just I could feel the
Speaker 2: wirework in the fight scenes, particularly in the incinerator sequence.
Speaker 2: I thought that was really fun. And you know, whatever
Speaker 2: they did to the spider walking out of a well
Speaker 2: was just chef's kiss. I thought that was fantastic. I
Speaker 2: love that they collectively arrive at the at the puzzle
Speaker 2: of how to stop spider walking at the same time,
Speaker 2: that was a great beat, A great beat, a great, great,
Speaker 2: great beat.
Speaker 5: I'd like to ask a question kind of a about
Speaker 5: Julia Louis Dreyfuss here too, because we go through the
Speaker 5: whole cast here and I saw and Mandy, I'm so
Speaker 5: glad you're here to talk about this because one of
Speaker 5: the things that Julia said, because they asked her about
Speaker 5: in particular Florence Pugh and Geraldine. I'm going to say
Speaker 5: that the last name wrong, but this Wonathan, I think, is
Speaker 5: how you say her last name, who plays her assistant
Speaker 5: in the film. That yes, mel, thank you. Julia mentioned
Speaker 5: that they asked Julia about what were some of the
Speaker 5: things that she sort of learned and was inspired by
Speaker 5: and working with these two women. And one of the
Speaker 5: things that Julia picked up on, or that she really
Speaker 5: liked about this film that she said was that the
Speaker 5: female characters in particular were not defined by their relationships
Speaker 5: with the men in the movie, that they all were
Speaker 5: standalone characters of their own. And I wanted to know
Speaker 5: if you noticed that, because honestly, in watching the film
Speaker 5: I didn't, but hearing her say that felt like a
Speaker 5: breath of fresh air, and I definitely recognize it now
Speaker 5: that it's been highlighted.
Speaker 8: For me, I didn't notice it, and I'm appreciating hearing it.
Speaker 6: And what is the Bechdel test?
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's so.
Speaker 6: But I guess this passes and that's thrilling. And it's
Speaker 6: thrilling that I wasn't watching.
Speaker 8: It going oh good, good, good, because then I would
Speaker 8: be taken out of the fun of watching a movie
Speaker 8: and being engaged in the story.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it does both, right, I mean when Yeah, that's
Speaker 5: how I felt too when I heard that from her,
Speaker 5: because I didn't notice and I just like the care,
Speaker 5: like everything we said about Florence p before, like clearly
Speaker 5: this is her movie, and at no point where we,
Speaker 5: uh you, sort of championing them for the good that
Speaker 5: they're doing in that role. We were just appreciating how
Speaker 5: well done this movie is in doing that and not
Speaker 5: feeling like it had to do anything different in regards
Speaker 5: to gender. So I'm glad. I'm glad you felt that
Speaker 5: way too, because that's where I was with.
Speaker 8: This and casting Julia Luis Dreyfus. Always fun to watch
Speaker 8: somebody so beloved, so lovable be so evil. It's just
Speaker 8: pure fun, great idea, great casting. She is one of
Speaker 8: my idols, so that's.
Speaker 5: An I didn't get Elaine vibes from her at all.
Speaker 5: In le this was a great role for her because.
Speaker 6: Meyer, yeah, I'm going to say, there's walking and talking.
Speaker 3: And right, but even her, because if you look at
Speaker 3: her as if if she's the next iteration of like
Speaker 3: a Nick Fury character, she's even flawed because once Century
Speaker 3: gets all his power, he's like, why does a god
Speaker 3: need to listen to you? And she's like, oh crap,
Speaker 3: I didn't figured that out. I thought I had outsmart him.
Speaker 3: And then at the end, you know when Elena says,
Speaker 3: you know, okay, we own you now basically, so it's
Speaker 3: it's it's even in that role she's this master, but
Speaker 3: even she has her her blind spots and her weaknesses,
Speaker 3: and so we have. And I think that's why that
Speaker 3: fact j AJ may not present itself as obviously because
Speaker 3: these just feel like real, fleshed out, rounded people. They're
Speaker 3: not types. It's not the damsel in distress that it
Speaker 3: needs to be saying. It's just this is a whole
Speaker 3: person dealing with life, and they all are, and so
Speaker 3: those gender, stereotypes, any of that stuff is not part
Speaker 3: of their story anymore because we're just dealing with them
Speaker 3: as human beings, struggling with life and how to get
Speaker 3: through that, and learning that it is better to be
Speaker 3: with a group of flawed people than face the darkness alone.
Speaker 3: That these can be the worst people they you know,
Speaker 3: that I can't trust them or whatever, but it's still
Speaker 3: better than being alone than that.
Speaker 4: It.
Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, I have this sort of persistent fear that
Speaker 2: Julia Luis Dreyfus is just in it for the lulls
Speaker 2: and eventually we'll say I don't want to do anymore
Speaker 2: because what I want is I want her to continue
Speaker 2: to be a fleshed out, troubled Nick Fury. Right, I
Speaker 2: want her to be our maladaptive Nick Fury and get
Speaker 2: a redemption narc and she needs Runway to do that
Speaker 2: because I don't think she's going to get another movie
Speaker 2: where she has this big of a part. Right, we
Speaker 2: know who Valentina is now, and Nick Fury his part
Speaker 2: just went down, down, down over the course of his contributions,
Speaker 2: and so I want more Julia Luis drives. I hope
Speaker 2: she sticks it out and that she continues to see
Speaker 2: value in it. She's terrific. We're going to come back.
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Speaker 2: of five stars. If you are brave, if you're a
Speaker 2: real Winter soldier like me, you only use whole stars.
Speaker 2: Maybe you're a chump and you use half stars. Half
Speaker 2: stars count for some people both the two options the
Speaker 2: other braver a chump? And do you give this film
Speaker 2: a heart?
Speaker 5: JJ?
Speaker 2: Where are you going to start.
Speaker 5: Well on the brave chump spectrum? I show up those
Speaker 5: quite brave this week in two a four stars and
Speaker 5: a heart. Yeah, I love it. And because I'm not
Speaker 5: doing it because I can't give it a half star,
Speaker 5: I just think that's where it really sits for me.
Speaker 5: I like I said, it's a top ten Marvel movie
Speaker 5: for me. I haven't ranked out everywhere where Day belong,
Speaker 5: but I think it's probably around like seven or eight,
Speaker 5: is what I'm guessing. I liked it. I'm really happy
Speaker 5: with it.
Speaker 7: Tommy on McKinsey scale, we're all kind of pumpish to
Speaker 7: a certain extent.
Speaker 1: I believe we're all rump fluid. But I agree with JJ.
Speaker 7: I would give I give it a four, a four
Speaker 7: and a heart. I really enjoyed this movie, and this
Speaker 7: will be one that I will come back to and again.
Speaker 7: It flew by and that is just not my history
Speaker 7: with these movies, and so I was really excited, loved
Speaker 7: everything about.
Speaker 3: It, all right, Steve, Yeah, it's a solid four. This
Speaker 3: was it really stood out, maybe because the past match
Speaker 3: of Marvel movies have just really really not been great,
Speaker 3: and so you know, I had to think about it.
Speaker 3: Is it just in comparison just feel so much better?
Speaker 3: But you know, after all this time sitting with it,
Speaker 3: I'm like, now, this is really solid. As Jay said,
Speaker 3: it is one of the top Marvel films for what
Speaker 3: it's doing. So four stars and a heart definitely.
Speaker 6: All right, got three point six.
Speaker 8: Just to upset Pete and I'll give a heart and
Speaker 8: I'll say, uh, you know, for a non Marvel Knower
Speaker 8: it was very entertaining and very funny, and I just
Speaker 8: wish people punched each other less.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's war hugs less us in the MCU, that's
Speaker 2: what we're looking for, Okay.
Speaker 6: In the world.
Speaker 2: This this has been a real treat. I'm so you guys.
Speaker 2: I feel like every time we come together and do
Speaker 2: a movie that we generally like we've won the universe
Speaker 2: a little bit because our history is not good on
Speaker 2: that front. Yes, it has been delightful talking about a
Speaker 2: movie that we all genuinely like and appreciate with you
Speaker 2: and a special plug to Mandy. You say you don't
Speaker 2: know anything about uh, you know, superheroes and stuff, but
Speaker 2: your conversation about Captain America. The first Avenger with John
Speaker 2: Monday goes live to members on Monday and to the public,
Speaker 2: you know, a week after that. So a whole show
Speaker 2: you did on Captain America. So yes, I say, yeah,
Speaker 2: let's not be completely disinting awareness of this stuff. Okay,
Speaker 2: And thank you Mandy Kaplin and Justin Yeger and Tommy
Speaker 2: Mets Third and Steve Sarmento. You guys are the best.
Speaker 2: I'm so so glad we could come together on this show.
Speaker 2: Thank you all, dear listeners for your time and attention.
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Speaker 2: go find your crew to help you. Spider walk out
Speaker 2: of a well just in case. Meeting adjourned.