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Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome back to this week in the a CEC.

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Speaker 3: This is the podcast of All Sports Discussion, the longest

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And we're having a classic version of the podcast tonight

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with Jeff and I here and it's and I'm i'm

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I'm I enjoy doing stuff like this. We we usually

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have guests here, but it's fun fun when it when

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we go back to the classic days when we just

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started out this podcast with Jeff and I and so

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it's kind of it's kind of fun for us to

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do that one every once in a while. So today

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we're going to talk about acc football. We're gonna talk

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about the conference championship games, some of the ACC awards,

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and we're gonna get into the college football playoffs. Perhaps

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a lightning round on the on the on the ACC's

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uh coaching hot seat, and a little open mic. So

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we got got it, got it packed in. But it's

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some quick things we can hop in here tonight. So

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Jeff with ACC Football Week fourteen. Let's get right into it. Man,

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who is your most disappointing team and who is the

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most impressive team?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: You there, Yeah, I gotta go with SMU here. You

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had to unmute myself, you know, in a in a

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weekend where you know, several ACC top teams you know,

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just couldn't close the deal in a big game, and

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SMU already in the ACC Championship, but trying to enhance

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their their position, you know, their playoff positioning. I mean

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they went out and just took care of a of

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a decent Cal team. And you got to remember this

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Cal team, you know, it was up thirty five to

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ten on Miami earlier in the year. Uh, they wanted Auburn.

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and as they've just been doing here in the second

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half of the season, just absolutely took care of business.

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that's a huge deal also Syracuse. You know, I think

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any any ACC observer was not surprised that they were

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going to have a lot of success on Miami's defense.

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enough on defense to pull the upset. And yeah, they

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gave up thirty eight points, but they came up with

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just enough plays, you know, holding Miami to a field

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goal late in that game, and if I remember correctly,

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didn't ever return the ball back to the Hurricanes the

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rest of the the rest of the game. And you know,

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Kyle McCord, fran Brown just a great first season at Syracuse.

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the ACC Championship game and may have effectively knocked them

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out of the playoff. So with so much on the

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line for the Hurricanes, you know, cam Ward probably lost

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a shot at the Heisman Trophy as well. You know,

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just a big moment for Syracuse and that football team.

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even though you know, what was impressive about Syracuse is

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what's disappointing about on Miami the all year long, they

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just never got those issues on defense corrected. And I

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mean the statistics aren't really that bad, but once a

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lot of that was based on, you know, playing some

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inferior opponents earlier in the year, and once they got

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into acc play, those offenses just really picked the Hurricanes apart.

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and Wake Forest, and you just wondered, could they do enough.

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an average defense, and they're making reservations for the playoffs,

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there's some talent there, and you know, if I'm Mario Christobal,

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makeup there, because I mean, you had a Heisman Trophy

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caliber quarterback, a fantastic running back and Martinez and Rastrepo

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the go to the entire season and just not be

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able to press the right buttons to even get that

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Speaker 1: Average, you know, it's going to cost you an ACC championship.

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is disappointing. His pit started the year seven to zero,

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they've really limped home. They just kind of went through

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the motions, it looked like against Boston College. Just a

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really disappointing finish for a team that, you know, just

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five six weeks ago people said could be a dark horse,

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you know, playoff team that maybe could get to the

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Charlotte in an ACC championship. You know, they were ranked

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in the top twenty and just you know, all these

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good things happened around Pitt football, and then they just

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collapsed down the stretch. So they might not have been

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just the most disappointing team on Saturday, but probably the

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most disappointing team the entire second half of the season.

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Another candidate for disappointment Clemson fourteen to seven lead on

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South Carolina. They had so much to play for trying

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to get into the playoffs as well, and just collapsed

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again in the second half. And they have yet to

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beat a quality team the entire season. Kde Klubnik very

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disappointing fourth quarter. Could have made a number of game

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deciding plays, missing open receivers on third down through the

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interception when they were in field goal range to tie

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the game. I was listening to Clemson radio on the

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way home, and you know a lot of them were

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actually saying he played really well. I did not think

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he played well. I think he played adequately for three

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quarters and then very poorly in the fourth quarter. And

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that's a lot of what cost Clemson. Fortunately for them,

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and we'll talk about it later. They got a gift

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from fran Brown. Dabo Sween needs to be sent in

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a fruit basket, to a fruitcake or something to Fran

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Brown for knocking Miami out of the playoffs, because it

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gives Clemson another life to go to Charlotte and still

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find their way into the playoffs.

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Speaker 4: Another game.

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Speaker 1: I want to mention, you know, Jordan going to eight

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overtimes with Georgia.

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or disappointed that they couldn't close the deal after having

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a twenty to sixth lead in the fourth quarter, But

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toe to toe with one of the best programs in

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college football. You know, had them, you know, on the ropes,

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and even when they went into overtime, it was not

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that Okay, Georgia has the momentum.

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Speaker 4: Game over.

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of the year eight overtimes, one play away from what

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would have been an epic win for Georgia Tech. But still,

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I think it really shows how far Georgia Tech has

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Speaker 4: It might have been the game of the year in

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college football.

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Speaker 3: It's certainly not disappointing, Jeff, because I had them as

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I had them as one of my impressive teams. So

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I will say I am impressed that Louisville beat that

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streak on on Kentucky.

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Speaker 4: That's a big that's a big deal. That's a big deal.

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Speaker 3: They smacked them around too, They smacked them around, you know,

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I mean that game was never close, and they put

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the accelerator on. So that was that was also a

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big performance. This week, let's run through the conference championship games, Jeff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the games that are affecting the playoffs are the

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ones I'm gonna hit. You got Boise State and un

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l V UNLV really quality team that that Syracuse went

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down and beat earlier in the year. Kind of kind

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of shows what a good team Syracuse is. But it's

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hard to see Boise State losing this game. Their Heisman Trophy,

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you know, I think is the Heisman Trophy winner, the

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running back giant. I think Boise State wins that game

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and and may end up with a top four seed.

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hard to thick against Arizona State right now. I think

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that's a team that's on an absolute offensive role. I

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would not want to play them in the playoff because

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they're so explosive. But I think Arizona State finds their

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way into the playoffs. Georgia and Texas's. Georgia is probably

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the best big game program. I mean, they're the premier

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college football program in the country right now, and they're

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the best big game program as well. I mean, they

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just show up the bigger the lights are Texas, you know,

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I think they have a great defense, but what's the

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quarterback status you know, going to be in that game?

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an injury issue with Manning too. You don't want to

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go up against that Georgia defense and not one hundred

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percent the games also win Atlanta. So I see Georgia

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taking care of business there. Clemson in SMU, I think

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Clemson they've got like nine playoff lives and they've used

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eight of them, and they still have a chance to reach,

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you know, the kind of the playoff promised land here

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against SMU. I'm not taking anyway from SMU. I think

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they are a fantastic team. They're going to be well

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deserving of a playoff spot. But I think after you know,

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all these weeks of Clemson.

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Speaker 4: Not playing.

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Speaker 1: A quality four quarter game, I think with this newfound life,

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they're gonna take advantage of it. And I think it's

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going to be a very competitive, very close game. But

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and seize that chance to get into the playoffs. I

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kind of liken it a little bit too. You know

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NC State in the ACC Tournament, you know a couple

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of games there that you thought they might have been

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a little bit fortunate to win. And then they took

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advantage of it win the ac C Championship and make

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him run in the tournament. I'm not saying Clemson's gonna

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a pretty partisan Clemson crowd in that game. Oregon and

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big game, never until he can actually prove it.

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Speaker 1: You're not picking James Franklin in a big game. So Oregon,

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I was reading that.

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Speaker 3: I was thinking, God, it's weird for me to see

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Penn State even in that game, right with Ohio State

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Speaker 1: Yeah, crazy to me exactly because the other guy who

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can't ever win a big game except beat Penn State

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is Ryan Day, who lost for the fourth time in

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a row to Michigan. You know, a really pedestrian Michigan team,

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and he couldn't beat him. It's so weird of Ohio State.

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They They've said what I'm reading is like, if he

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doesn't win the national Championship. He's gonna get fired, which

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is unreal with the record he has, But you gotta

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beat Michigan when you're an Ohio state coach.

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Speaker 2: No kidding, no kidding, no kidding.

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Speaker 3: All right, man, let's get to the ACC Awards. Here

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the ACC Awards. Jeff was your ACC Coach of the Year.

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You're overall ACC Player of the Year, and then your

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ACC Offensive and Defensive Players of the Year.

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Speaker 1: Uh yeah, this this is Rhett Lashley's SMU Coach ACC

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Coach of the Year. It's you know, other guys like

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Manny Diaz and Fran Brown have done an excellent job,

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but this is a landslide victory for Rhet Lashly, you know,

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the overall player of the Year. I kind of went

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back and forth fourth on this and and it's kind

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of hard for me to, you know, look past what

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five team. And he was able to carry that team

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to the verge of the playoffs. And and he's my

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overall player of the Year, and you know, therefore he's

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my Offensive Player of the Year. But I also want

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to you know, point out Kyle McCord at at Syrah

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Marion Hampton, the running back at North Carolina was was,

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you know, the premiere back in the conference. Then you

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go to the other side of the ball, and you know,

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in a year where they may not have been like

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a ton of truly stand out defensive players, Donovan as

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a Reiku of Boston College, you know, the conference's sack leader.

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end of the year for Boston College and their strong

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play at the end of the year. He's my defensive

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Player of the Year. And also throw out a couple

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votes to Antoine Powell Island of Virginia Tech who had

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a really strong season and the conferences leading tackler Nick

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Anderson of Wake Forest.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean this is probably the best. I mean,

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I've got to think that. I gotta think that Antoine

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Powell Ryland is going to be on first team All

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acc for Virginia Tech. Don't you don't you think Jeff,

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I mean, for a while he was rivaling people. I

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mean for a while up until last week, he was

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the nation's leading sack right, I mean, he had the

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most sacks in the country.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think he'll find he'll win, He'll

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be on the All a C C team. I mean,

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with with is a raiku.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's just been he's just been terrific this year.

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Speaker 3: I mean, and he'll you know, you're gonna see, it's

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gonna be kind of fun for a lot of us

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to watch the Senior Bowl this year because I think

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you're gonna see you're gonna see some of the hokey

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seniors in there. I mean you're probably gonna see quite

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a few one there, you know. And and and I

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think a lot of those I think that's gonna do

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wonders for their drafts hockey, because you're going to see

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some there's some real talent on this team. And again, Jeff,

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you know it'll happen. I chuckle a little bit here

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because people will say, wait a second, you have six

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people that are getting drafted and you're on a six

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and six football team. I mean, I I swear to

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guy that's gonna happen, Jeff. So so anyway, let's let's

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go on here. I'm just gonna be I'm gonna go

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on a lightning Give me just a second, yea, if

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I want to go on a lightning round here, and

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I want to tell you, give you my opinion, because

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I'm going to answer this here on who I think

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that who I think today? If I'm going through the

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hot seat right I'm going through the ACC coaches hot seat,

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and I consider this a lightning round here.

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Speaker 2: Here are the five that.

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Speaker 3: I'm looking at, Jeff Brent Prye, Tony Elliott, Mike Norvell,

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Pat Nordoozy, and Justin Cox. Now, some will say that

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Patrdoozy isn't necessarily on the hot seat.

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Speaker 2: He's not too far from removed from ruinning an ACC title,

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you know.

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Speaker 3: But he's got a new ad coming in and if

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he has a bad season next year, that can give

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the new ad an opportunity to give him the hook.

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But those are the five that I'm looking at right now.

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Some will say that, you know, if you're looking for others.

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Some will say that Dave do Dave Dora excuse me,

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always finds himself on the proverbial edge of the seed.

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Speaker 2: You got, perhaps some Clemson fans that.

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Speaker 3: Are getting tired of Dabble, but I think Dabble has

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a lot of has earned quite frankly, a lot of

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good will at Clemson. So that's kind of where I'm

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sitting at right now with the hot seat.

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Speaker 2: What are your thoughts and my assertions here, Jeff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's a good list. I would add

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in the Stanford head coach Troy Taylor after another three

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and nine season, I think he's on the on the

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hot seat. Willcox has been at Cow for a while

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and it's just kind of stuck in neutral. Uh So

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I'm you know, I think he's he's definitely out there.

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Speaker 4: I think Tony Elliott go ahead.

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Speaker 1: Uh. I think Tony Elliott is is going to be back,

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but uh if they don't make a bowl next year, Virginia,

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it's really hard to see them, you know, keeping him

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beyond next season. He's got to get to a bowl game.

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They were close this year. I know the finish of

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the year was difficult, but I mean, you got to start,

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you should start producing. And of course, you know the

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nightmare at Florida State. There's already staff changes, major staff

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changes going on at Florida State.

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Speaker 4: So Novella will be.

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Speaker 1: Back, but I mean you go to I mean, you

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go to and ten anywhere anywhere in the country, and

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you're on the hot seat. I don't care what you

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did the year before, and it was an absolute nightmare

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of a season for Florida State.

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Speaker 3: I should clarify what I said too, because I don't.

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I don't think any of these guys I mentioned now

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are going to be fired tomorrow, right barring some unethical,

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unethical or criminal treat you know, criminal happenings.

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Speaker 2: None of these guys that I mentioned are going to

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be fired tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: But certainly if Pride doesn't have a good season now

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next year, right if probably you know, if Tony Elliott

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doesn't have a good season next year, these folks are

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going to be out.

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Speaker 2: These folks are gonna be out.

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Speaker 3: I mean, so you know, there's you know you, I mean,

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you feel like, you know, you wonder if there's going

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to be a time when people are perhaps tired of

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Dave Clauston at wait wait for us.

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Speaker 2: But I still think he's built up a.

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Speaker 3: Lot of good will there, So that would be my

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that would be kind of what I'm looking at there

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in terms of the hot seat right now. So Jeff,

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I know You've been talking about this a lot. You

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know a lot more than me about this. The college

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football playoffs. Who's in? Who should not be in? Let

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me just say, if you have three conference losses, you

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sure as hell should not be in.

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Speaker 2: And I'm tired of people talking about that. You're the.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is uh, this is where the fun, the

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fun begins. You know, they're they're teams that are already safe,

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and a ton of it is going to depend on

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the rankings coming out Tuesday, But if you're a fan

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of these schools, you can already start, you know, booking

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some vacation time. Oregon you're safe. You're the safest of

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them all. But you're good Oregon. As you go down

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the list, Texas you're good. Kind of still questioning your

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schedule a little bit, but you're fine. Penn State definitely

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question in your schedule, but you're good. Georgia, Georgia's got

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the high end wins. Notre Dame hadn't lost for a

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couple of months. SMU, I don't know where it keeps

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coming from in some circles that they're in trouble.

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Speaker 4: They're not. They're fine.

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Speaker 1: You're not gonna The committee is not going to set

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a precedent to knock out an eleven to one conference

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championship participant that went eight to oher and undefeated during

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the regular season. SMU has, you know, objectively, when you

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look at their resume, it's really good. They got a

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non conference win over eight and four TCU, another power

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for win. Their only loss is to nine and two BYU.

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They got a winning record against bowl teams. I think

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it's like six and one, and I don't think. I

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don't see a scenario where they get left out. I

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mean they would have to lose like one hundred to

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zero to Clemson. SMU, you're good Tennessee, You're in Ohio State.

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Despite the loss to Michigan, you're gonna drop in the rankings.

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You're good Indiana. I just don't see anyone overtaking Indiana

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despite their their their lack of wins. They don't have

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any wins in the P four outside of their big

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ten wins, no ranked wins. Blowout to Ohio State. They're

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the one who might have the slimmest of chances of

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getting overtaken by somebody. But I think they're fine, honestly,

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so right there, that's one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight,

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nine spots already taken Boise State and UNLV. The winner

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of that game, I think is Boise State. They're in

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Arizona State, Iowa State. That's your that's your Big twelve champion.

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I think it's going to be Arizona State. Then on

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the bubble, I think what you have is Alabama, Ole Miss, Miami,

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and South Carolina. Clemson can be the bubble crasher of

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the bunch if they win. That's your field there what

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I've already mentioned. And then Clemson. Now you know those

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four schools are those are ones I mentioned. They're rooting

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hard for SMU to win that game. And then it

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becomes a beauty contest between Alabama, Old Miss, Miami and

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South Carolina. You know a lot of people say South

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Carolina is the hottest team in the SEC. They might

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very well be. They are a good football team. But

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with all things being equal between Alabama Old Miss South Carolina,

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I mean, they're always gonna.

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Speaker 4: Go to head to head. You have to.

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Speaker 1: That's the only reasonable tie breaker that you can have

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between teams. And the fact of the matter is Alabama

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Old Miss beat South Carolina earlier in the year, but.

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Speaker 4: They're not gonna.

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Speaker 1: They're not gonna discount those wins between Alabama and Old Miss.

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Alabama's currently ranked ahead. There's no reason to move Ole

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Miss ahead of Alabama. What's gonna be the question is

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how far does Miami fall from being ranked six? Do

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they fall behind Alabama? I think that they will. You

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lose two of your final three games, and you know

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it's it's just tough to keep Miami up there. They

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really opened the door for the committee to drop them

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out and also to you know, leave it at a

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max of two AC seat. Well, you're gonna have a

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max of two ACC teams. You know last year they

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shoehorned in Alabama and that they've gotten the benefit of

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the doubt year after year after year.

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Speaker 4: And if.

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Speaker 1: If SMU defeats Clemson, I think it'll be Alabama into

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the playoff.

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Speaker 2: Jeff, that's a BS. That's a BS.

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Speaker 4: The back dooring like that, I think that's what's gonna happen.

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Speaker 2: That is a B.

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Speaker 3: Back They back they back door in like that, man,

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because you should not get in to the playoffs if

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you have three conference losses. I'm telling you I will

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be the first to tell you that they should not

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get in. If they have three conference losses, they're not.

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Speaker 2: A good team.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna be real quick here because it sounds like

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you're on Are you under the weather, chef?

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Speaker 2: You're not feeling that great.

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Speaker 1: Now, I'm getting I'm on the tail end of it.

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Speaker 2: So that it because I'm like, oh my god, holy cow, the.

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Speaker 1: Worst is behind me. And I'm not used to talking

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this much, so but the worst is behind me. But definitely, definitely.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I was worried. I's gouts.

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Speaker 4: He beat some water?

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Speaker 2: Does he need some whiskey? Does he need some bourbon

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or whatever?

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Speaker 3: Okay, man, open microphone time.

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Speaker 2: What do you got for a chef?

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Speaker 4: Uh?

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Speaker 1: I want to get into the to the basketball. We've

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been talking football the whole time, and you know, we've

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mentioned the last few weeks the struggles of the ACC

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in basketball, and you know, a couple of teams have

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stepped forward recently. Louisville had a really good tournament down

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in the Bahamas, beating Indiana in West Virginia lost a

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close game to Oklahoma. Clemson had a fine tournament, knocking

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off a quality San Francisco team and then beating Penn State.

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Pittsburgh won on a last second shot at Ohio State,

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and that was a massive win. That's the positive. It

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gets really bad after that. North Carolina went one and

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two down in Hawaii, and that included getting run off

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the court by Auburn, and they didn't. It was thirteen

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points the final difference, and North Carolina really didn't look

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like they belong on the court with Auburn.

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Speaker 4: Duke.

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Speaker 1: Duke is as talented as anyone in the country. The

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problem is is, either through youth or john Shire, they

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can't close out games. In the final two minutes of

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games against good opponents, they completely fall apart. Their possessions

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are terrible, They turn the ball over and if they

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don't get that corrected, they're gonna end up like a

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four or five seed in the NCAA tournament and not

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reach the potential they could. You look at the what

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the ACC SEC challenges this week, and I won't go

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through each game, but just take a look at the

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matchups and ask yourself, how many of these games is

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the ACC gonna win.

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Speaker 4: It.

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Speaker 1: I'm afraid to say, Matthew, it could be really lopsided.

479
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I mean, if there's you know, out of these games,

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the ACC might consider it a success. If they win

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three or four of the games because they look like

482
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mismatches across the board. You know, we're we're we're not

483
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always high on on some of the over ranking of

484
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SEC teams, but they've got some good basketball teams this year,

485
00:29:17,319 --> 00:29:20,880
some really good teams. They're athletic, they run the floor,

486
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they can shoot, they have size, and yeah, it could

487
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be a rough one for the ACC. I'm hoping that

488
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there'll be a couple of upsets and it's not as

489
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bad as I think it could be. But there's not

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a lot of ACC teams who have stepped up in

491
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the non conference. I mean, I give I give big

492
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kudos to Pittsburgh. They're the one who really has and

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and Clemson's been reasonable as well. Uh and Louisville has

494
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really come on recently. But by and large, it's not

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been a good start for the ACC.

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Speaker 3: So I'm going to talk about Virginia Tech here a

497
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little bit, but it's I'm really not going to dog

498
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Brent pry or Mike Young here right now, Jeff, because

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I think that there are problems at a higher level

500
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than that, And you know, it kind of reminds me

501
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of what happened at Georgia Tech. What happened at Louisville.

502
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Both institutions went through administrative changes at the president, the

503
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university president level and at the AD level, right And

504
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I think that might have to take place at Virginia

505
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:46,240
Tech to if there is some changed emphasis on athletics,

506
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because what I saw this year, Jeff, was the cannibalization

507
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of a lot of sports in favor of a six

508
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and six football team, Jeff. And that's hard to take

509
00:31:02,039 --> 00:31:05,000
for a lot of hockey fans, because I think you

510
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would agree, Jeff. Mike Young is a good coach. Mike

511
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Young won the ACC He's not far removed from that.

512
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Mike Young has had a couple of NCAA tournament vins.

513
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If you gave Mike Young the resources, he probably could

514
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do very well in this conference, at least be in

515
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,960
the upper half of this conference. I'm sure of that

516
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he's not getting those resources. Mike Young has been talked

517
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:34,960
about Jeff as being an offensive coordinator, and I'm actually

518
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,480
dead serious about this that type of term for some

519
00:31:37,759 --> 00:31:42,200
NBA teams because he has such creative offensive sets and

520
00:31:42,319 --> 00:31:47,279
gets guys open. His offensive sets where he gets you know,

521
00:31:47,359 --> 00:31:49,880
people open for the three point shots, the quick three

522
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,880
point shots that they have in the NBA are perfect

523
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:53,759
at that level.

524
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Speaker 2: And so.

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Speaker 3: When you cannibalize like your other sports and take revenue

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away from them, and you end up with a six

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and six football team, with a football team that has

528
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a head coach, a first time head coach, right, even

529
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though this is a couple of years in, right, a

530
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first time offensive coordinator, a couple of years in for Sime,

531
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defensive coordinator, a couple.

532
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Speaker 4: Of years in.

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Speaker 3: And you're supposed to have a really breakout year this

534
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year with all the experience and talent, and it doesn't happen.

535
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,359
You got to start pointing the fingers somewhere. And I

536
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:35,119
don't point them at Pry, I don't point them at

537
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,960
Mike Young. I'm going right now at with Babcock, with

538
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bat This is with Babcock's second higher as.

539
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Speaker 2: The football coach.

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Speaker 3: You know, for a football coach, Jeff, he's not going

541
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to get a third. You don't get a third opportunity

542
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,680
to hire a football coach. You ride or die with

543
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the one that you have. I mean figuratively die, of course.

544
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,000
You ride or fly with the one that you have, right,

545
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And you know, unless there are some changes at the

546
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position coach area. I'm not seeing a whole lot of

547
00:33:09,599 --> 00:33:12,920
major improvement for Tech next season. Now I could be wrong.

548
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,240
Pop Watson actually looks like he's pretty good. I don't

549
00:33:16,279 --> 00:33:19,240
know how much you saw the Virginia Tech Virginia game, Jeff.

550
00:33:19,279 --> 00:33:21,759
I never did get a chance to see that because.

551
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Speaker 2: I bought comedy.

552
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 3: I bought tickets to a comedy show on the Saturday

553
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night because I was thinking, in my mind, Jeff, Okay,

554
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:32,720
there's no way they're going to have to five and

555
00:33:32,799 --> 00:33:35,200
six teams, you know, in a couple of weeks in

556
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:39,319
the APMs line timeslot. And clearly I was wrong, Jeff.

557
00:33:40,799 --> 00:33:43,240
But Pop Watson's sure, he looks pretty good. But there's

558
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a lot of experience walking out the door. And so

559
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I kind of feel like at this stage, Jeff, that

560
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you know the major revenue sports.

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Speaker 2: I just talked about him here.

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Speaker 3: Now they're at a major crossroads at Virginia Tech. And

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as I said to you, Jeff, Mike Young is a

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good coach. He is a good coach, but he can't

565
00:34:05,119 --> 00:34:10,000
come out publicly and say, Jeff, hey, is this what

566
00:34:10,079 --> 00:34:13,920
you took away from my pond of the revenue for

567
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a six and six football team? He can never say that,

568
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,960
right because then he's throwing his boss under the bus.

569
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But with Babcock, isn't doing anybody any favors now, Jeff,

570
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and that I've wrote about this at all Sports Discussion

571
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dot com. There's a lot of movement that's going to

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happen in the next couple of years at Tech, right,

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I mean, because you look at contracts that are coming up, right,

574
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I mean, uh, in twenty you know, the end of

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the uh academic here twenty twenty seven prior, and all

576
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,960
his assistance contracts are up. I didn't know, really, no,

577
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I didn't know, Jeff, that they renewed all the assistants

578
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:54,719
at the end of last year.

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Speaker 2: But they did so.

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Speaker 3: All of their con all basically the entirement, the major players,

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the football staff, all their contracts end in the end

582
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of the academic year in twenty twenty seven. Mike Yong

583
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will be around here for a while yet the next

584
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:15,239
eight Whip. Babcock's contract ends in this academic year of

585
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twenty twenty nine, but they're going to have a new

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00:35:17,199 --> 00:35:21,840
president on board on board before then, that is to say,

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if they if they don't renew the existing president, they'll

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have somebody else. But Tim Sands contract ends in twenty

589
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twenty twenty seven, so at the same time as the

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football coach. There's a lot of major changes, Jeff, that

591
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,559
are going to happen in the next couple of years,

592
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and I will be interested to see how they change athletics.

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Tim Sands just recently made it and I have to

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go back. I'm probably gonna blog about this, Jeff, but

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because I just I just saw something about it on Friday.

596
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,840
But he put word out that there's going to be

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a fee increase for students, right because you know, Virginia's

598
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:05,119
hasn't really resorted to huge increases in student fees to

599
00:36:05,159 --> 00:36:08,920
support athletics, but they're they're going to do some of

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that because they realized the new era that they're in.

601
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And of course, you know, Jeff, the new Settle settlement

602
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that's coming out right now, for you know, we have

603
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,760
to the when I say we, I'm talking about all

604
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:22,920
the colleges have to start paying former players settlements due

605
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,719
to the recent court litigation with the NCAAA. Right, you know,

606
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:29,760
Mike cash that comes from that, and that's certainly part

607
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:31,480
of that's going to be coming from that, Jeff. But

608
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you know, we I don't expect high things from Virginia

609
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,760
Tech men's basketball because they lost a lot of the

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players this year. Mike Young's doing as good a job

611
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as they can. I'm not sure how much of that

612
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,360
game that you watched when they played Michigan, Jeff, but

613
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they were ahead of Michigan for thirty or forty minutes.

614
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They just could not finish it off. And it's because

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they don't have the they don't have the players that

616
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they have. They lost eighty five percent of their production.

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Yet I think, Jeff, if I'm not mistaken, Virginia Tech

618
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plays Vanderbilt in.

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Speaker 2: The sec ACC SEC.

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00:37:06,199 --> 00:37:10,639
Speaker 3: Challenge, there are two Virginia Tech players on that Vanderbilt

621
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:15,760
roster that played for Mike Yeong, And so this is

622
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,679
kind of the quandary that Tech is in right now.

623
00:37:18,679 --> 00:37:21,079
And I rarely, you know, you've noticed that I haven't really.

624
00:37:21,679 --> 00:37:24,960
There hasn't been too many opportunities where I've criticized Mike

625
00:37:25,039 --> 00:37:29,519
Young or or Brent Prye as much this year. I mean,

626
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I did bang on Brent Priye after the after the

627
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,239
first game because of the adjustments, But now I'm warning

628
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,519
that this is basically a lot of this is on

629
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:43,719
Witch Jeff, and I don't rarely criticize an athletic director

630
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:48,000
like I have this year. But Jeff, there's going to

631
00:37:48,079 --> 00:37:51,199
be some interesting changes to watch at Virginia Tech in

632
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,440
the next couple of years. I've said a lot there, Jeff,

633
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:55,360
I've kind of gone on.

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Speaker 2: What do you have to.

635
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think we know Mike Young is

636
00:38:03,199 --> 00:38:07,159
a good basketball coach. He's had NCAA team's ACC title,

637
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:14,000
but he needs resources because when you look at the

638
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:18,360
Virginia Tech basketball team right now, I mean they're they're

639
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:22,800
one of the worst in the accuh and and that's

640
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:28,440
that's even in the down ACC. And it's about resources.

641
00:38:28,519 --> 00:38:32,440
Just like you said, I mean, you're definitely, you know,

642
00:38:32,559 --> 00:38:36,119
have that finger on the pulse of Virginia Tech more

643
00:38:36,159 --> 00:38:38,920
than me. But from an outside observer, I mean, I

644
00:38:39,599 --> 00:38:42,199
know that Mike Young can coach now, he just has

645
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,599
to be provided the resources to do what he needs

646
00:38:44,639 --> 00:38:44,960
to do.

647
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:51,079
Speaker 3: The football on the other hand, I mean, it's you're

648
00:38:51,119 --> 00:38:53,679
not getting another opportunity. If you're with You're not getting

649
00:38:53,679 --> 00:38:57,280
another opportunity to hire a football coach. You're out. You're

650
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,360
gonna be out. You're gonna be out because you can't.

651
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,800
I very much doubt that he'll have a third opportunity

652
00:39:04,119 --> 00:39:06,280
to hire a football coach, and I think he may.

653
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,119
I don't have to go and research this jet, but

654
00:39:08,159 --> 00:39:11,360
I think he may have said that as much. So

655
00:39:11,559 --> 00:39:14,480
it's just a huge crossroads that you see just on

656
00:39:14,559 --> 00:39:17,519
a whole lot of levels in the next few years,

657
00:39:17,559 --> 00:39:21,239
with a new president, a new ad, a new football coach. Hell,

658
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,719
you may even have a new men's basketball coach. I mean,

659
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,119
Mike both I can assure you this, Jeff, and we'll

660
00:39:27,119 --> 00:39:30,079
close on this. I can assure you that both Tony

661
00:39:30,119 --> 00:39:34,960
Bennett and Mike Young could probably do some consulting work

662
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:36,199
in the NBA.

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00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,280
Speaker 2: Would you agree with me on that jet?

664
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I would agree with that.

665
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Speaker 3: Okay, because both of those I wouldn't doubt if Tony

666
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:47,960
Bennett were hired by the as a consultant tomorrow by

667
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,119
the NBA, they probably want to hire him for defense,

668
00:39:50,159 --> 00:39:52,840
and they'd probably hire Mike Young for offense and some

669
00:39:53,039 --> 00:39:55,719
franchise maybe it's a Washington Wizards.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

671
00:39:56,679 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 3: Locally here right would be in much better shape than

672
00:39:59,519 --> 00:40:01,360
the area now because they keep losing games.

673
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Speaker 2: That would be kind of fun, That would actually be

674
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kind of cool. Wouldn't it.

675
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Speaker 3: That would be hired his consultants in the d m B. Jeff,

676
00:40:10,679 --> 00:40:14,840
it's gonna be great talking tonight, sleep well, get better man.

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Speaker 4: All I appreciate it. Good Bye,