1 00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 1: This is pet Life Radio. Let's Talk Pets. Welcome to 2 00:00:23,199 --> 00:00:25,600 Covered in Pet Hair, a boozy show for pet lovers 3 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:28,839 on pet Life Radio. I'm your host Isabelle Albert Saranta, 4 00:00:28,879 --> 00:00:30,800 and today I have the pleasure of having a drink 5 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:33,920 in a chat with a super dog mom, a dog 6 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:37,000 mom that would do anything for her pets. 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This woman goes deep 27 00:01:55,519 --> 00:01:58,120 into all the things she does for her pets, and 28 00:01:58,159 --> 00:02:00,599 that's why she's my guest today, So let me do 29 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:03,480 a proper intro for her. She is a pet parent, 30 00:02:03,959 --> 00:02:08,360 a photographer, a writer, a canine nutritionist. She's as soon 31 00:02:08,439 --> 00:02:12,879 to be hospice practitioner. She's a craft beer guru, of foodie, 32 00:02:13,039 --> 00:02:16,520 a nature lover, a wine drinker like me. She's a 33 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:19,759 coffee of ficionado. She is an adrenaline junkie and an 34 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:22,919 adventure seeker. She is an army brat that now lives 35 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:26,439 in DFW area of Texas. Another texanom and El Paso. 36 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:30,360 She is wife to Brian, dogmom to Naki l Luna, 37 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:34,039 who is unfortunately living with MCT, which I'm sure we 38 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:36,919 will discuss. She is cat mom Takira and Cora, whom 39 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:39,719 she made me laugh because she describes Cora as a 40 00:02:39,759 --> 00:02:43,159 little neurotic and I bet we all have a petter 41 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:47,520 two that is neurotic. She is bron When Farley. She 42 00:02:47,719 --> 00:02:51,000 is the founder of Dulcie's Legacy. Welcome bron When it's 43 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:52,479 so good to have you on the show. 44 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 4: Thank you so very much. 45 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 1: I'm so excited because I've talked to you online so 46 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:00,719 many times. You are so support of me and my 47 00:03:00,759 --> 00:03:05,000 friend Jessica of the Pet Parenting Reset. You're always contributing 48 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:07,319 so much great stuff to our lives when we go 49 00:03:07,439 --> 00:03:10,919 together on Mondays, and I'm finally like looking at you 50 00:03:11,039 --> 00:03:15,000 and seeing you, and I'm really excited that you know, 51 00:03:15,199 --> 00:03:18,080 we're finally getting to talk to each other. Somebody wants 52 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:19,879 to know when you moved to Texas, did I mess 53 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:22,919 up where you live? So actually I'm from the Devilla's 54 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:26,560 Fort Worth area, live in Vermont. Now, Okay, so she's 55 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:28,560 in Vermont, which makes a lot more sense because I've 56 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:31,879 seen your pictures of snow and I'm like, DFW Vermont 57 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:33,719 and that makes a whole lot more sense. So I 58 00:03:33,759 --> 00:03:36,120 take it back. She grew up in DFW and she 59 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:39,080 lives in Vermont. Thank you Laurie for asking that she 60 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:42,000 is all the things says Lisa, And she is and 61 00:03:42,199 --> 00:03:44,639 I want to dig into everything that you are in 62 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:47,159 the pet industry as a dog mom, as a cat mom. 63 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:49,039 But before I do that, I want to introduce our 64 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:50,840 drinking game. So if you're new to Covered in pet hair, 65 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:54,520 there is a drinking game. So anytime you audience, not me, 66 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:57,680 not Ron Wind, but the audience. Anytime you hear this 67 00:03:57,759 --> 00:04:03,360 word the secret world, it is dulcy, take a drink 68 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:05,879 of whatever you're enjoying Ron when you can open your 69 00:04:05,879 --> 00:04:08,479 eyes again. But please be over twenty one in the 70 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:11,879 US to partake in an alcoholic beverage. Never drink and drive, 71 00:04:11,919 --> 00:04:14,840 and always drink responsibly. So I saw that you were 72 00:04:14,879 --> 00:04:17,879 having a glass of veino today. Tell me about your wine. 73 00:04:18,639 --> 00:04:21,399 Speaker 4: So I'm a little bit sad. As often I'm very 74 00:04:21,439 --> 00:04:25,560 piggy with my wine, and usually I have friends that 75 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:28,519 send it to me. Because I finally fell in love 76 00:04:28,639 --> 00:04:32,720 with a very specific wine from upstate New York. It's 77 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:36,560 from the Great Lakes area on the New York side. 78 00:04:36,759 --> 00:04:39,720 It's so good. Oh my gosh, this is a sad 79 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:43,519 lowly red wine that I'm having to cope for before 80 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:44,839 because I'm out of mine. 81 00:04:45,079 --> 00:04:47,160 Speaker 1: Oh no, I hate when that happens. 82 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:51,439 Speaker 4: It is a mixed proprietary blend. I guess it's just 83 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:54,720 a mixed red. I like my reds. It's a little 84 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:56,600 on the drier side. I prefer mine a little bit 85 00:04:56,639 --> 00:04:59,720 on the suite, so it works. It works well. 86 00:04:59,759 --> 00:05:01,639 Speaker 1: I'm I'm a big wine lover or two, and I 87 00:05:01,959 --> 00:05:03,800 find that the more I like wine, the more I 88 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:06,399 taste whine, the more picky I become about wine. So 89 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:08,600 I feel you. I feel you. It's like this wine 90 00:05:08,639 --> 00:05:11,399 should have been fantastic. It's not hitting the spot, but 91 00:05:11,439 --> 00:05:14,120 it's still wine. So you know you don't j white. 92 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 4: You said, no, I'm not gonna let it go to waste. 93 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:18,079 Speaker 1: Oh, we never let it go to waste. I mean, 94 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:20,279 if not, if anything, we'd make us agrio with it. 95 00:05:20,319 --> 00:05:23,160 But we can't let it go to waste right now. 96 00:05:23,639 --> 00:05:26,759 So I'm actually having a drink in honor of your dulcy. 97 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:31,040 This is a cinnamon dulcy cocktail that I made with 98 00:05:31,639 --> 00:05:34,240 Chila or Chila, I don't know how to pronounce the 99 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:36,839 name of the brand. But they have a cinnamon cream 100 00:05:37,399 --> 00:05:41,079 kind of like an orchata or like a cordial And 101 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:43,839 my husband made this. I gave him the recipe. He 102 00:05:43,959 --> 00:05:47,800 executed it's got whipped cream and a sprinkle of cinnamon. Cheers. 103 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:49,839 Thank you for being my guest. You. 104 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:53,600 Speaker 4: Yes, No, it's actually pretty funny because so we moved 105 00:05:53,639 --> 00:05:59,160 here in June and our first snow hit right before Halleen. 106 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:02,319 I think we've had two days that the snow went 107 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:05,680 completely away, like the grass came back and everything. Today 108 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:10,240 we got six inches on top of the four to 109 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:13,519 five inches that we already had. My biggest fear you 110 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:15,800 make that face, But my biggest fear is when it's 111 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:18,839 going to stop, Like I don't want it to stop. 112 00:06:19,399 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 1: Oh no, no. I live in Olpaso, Texas. It's like 113 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:25,759 seventy five and like a bright blue sky, and that 114 00:06:25,879 --> 00:06:27,560 is my That is perfect for me. 115 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 4: So my new off is it's the very front room 116 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:33,519 and it's wall the wall, windows, and the very back 117 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:36,399 is the forest in the mountain and it's all covered 118 00:06:36,399 --> 00:06:39,720 in snow and the trees and that's where my deer come. 119 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:42,720 And I just sit here and I watch them. Lisa 120 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,319 and all of them give me a hard time and 121 00:06:45,399 --> 00:06:47,720 joke that I'm snow white. I'm the snow white of 122 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:50,160 the group because I will I'll be out there. I 123 00:06:50,199 --> 00:06:52,879 play with my raccoons. They come up and they boop 124 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:55,480 on the window and the glass and they're named I 125 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:59,920 have Roscoe and Jeremiah. Roscoe's a big boy. There are 126 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:04,560 round and so is he. He's monast That would be me. 127 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 1: That would be me if I lived in Vermont and 128 00:07:06,519 --> 00:07:08,560 it was always snowing, because I would do nothing. I 129 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:11,639 would just drink wine and have like garlic bread all 130 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:13,800 day long. That would be what I lived off of. 131 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:16,360 So I would be Roscoe, the round raccoon. 132 00:07:16,639 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 4: They come in and they visit me, and they wait 133 00:07:19,639 --> 00:07:23,079 for me, and my deer come out. And I have 134 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:26,319 like six bird feeders, and I make sure that three 135 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:28,959 of the bird feeders have like the spicy bird seed 136 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:32,079 in it, so my squirrels and chipmunks don't get into it, 137 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,600 the birds have something to eat, and then the other 138 00:07:34,759 --> 00:07:39,439 three have just regular nuts and dried fruit. And of course, 139 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:42,519 being a nutritionist, I make sure that my resource. 140 00:07:42,519 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 1: You don't do anything half assed. I can tell right 141 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:47,279 now I know you enough to know that you are 142 00:07:47,399 --> 00:07:51,560 just you're gonna do like this tasting menu for the 143 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:55,480 animals in the Vermont forests and the rest of us 144 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:57,639 are just gonna be sitting here like being like, I mean, 145 00:07:57,680 --> 00:07:58,680 I hope the birds ate. 146 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:01,279 Speaker 4: So we went in to look at bird seed and 147 00:08:01,319 --> 00:08:02,519 I was like, you know what, now I want some 148 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:05,519 bird feeders. And the guy was like, oh, yeah, this 149 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:08,199 one's a great one. I picked out one that looked 150 00:08:08,279 --> 00:08:11,920 more healthier. Okay, and he goes, yeah, but that one's 151 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:15,079 really expensive, and my husband said, don't even try. 152 00:08:15,319 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 1: And it blacked. I really do. 153 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 4: I think that's the day. So we came home and 154 00:08:19,319 --> 00:08:21,319 I have cameras in my house because I watched my 155 00:08:21,399 --> 00:08:25,240 dogs and the cats. And we came home and Kira, 156 00:08:25,319 --> 00:08:27,959 my black and white tupsiedo, is laying on the back 157 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:31,639 of the couch staring up at the curtain rod and 158 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:34,120 I couldn't figure out what she was obsessing over. She 159 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:38,399 had treed a mouse, a white footed deer mouse, and 160 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:41,440 so we put kere up. We put him in him 161 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:43,879 we thought it was a him. We put him in 162 00:08:43,879 --> 00:08:46,080 a bag and put him out on the porch. Well 163 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:48,159 this was when you know, we have the wrap around 164 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:50,879 deck and the huge garden and everything else going and 165 00:08:51,039 --> 00:08:53,879 my husband accidentally squirted him like three hours later with 166 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:56,200 the water hose and he's like, I think I really 167 00:08:56,279 --> 00:08:59,120 heard it because he's limping, he's got one paw up 168 00:08:59,159 --> 00:09:01,039 and his eyes clothes, he's got a little bit of 169 00:09:01,039 --> 00:09:06,480 blood on his nose. Oh no, that was around August September. 170 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:10,799 So I did some research. Because he came home with us. 171 00:09:11,159 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 1: He didn't worry. Of course, she did research, of course. 172 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:19,519 Speaker 4: So most people that have whitefooted deer mouse, they're extremely intelligent, 173 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:21,559 very friendly, Like I can put my hand in there 174 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:25,240 and she'll just live up to her. And most of 175 00:09:25,279 --> 00:09:29,120 them get a twenty square foot or twenty square cubic 176 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:32,000 feet twenty cubic feet. Math is not my strong game. 177 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:36,759 Twenty cubic feet, it's very small. Take hers is forty nine, 178 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:39,960 and usually they put like fifteen of them in that twenty. 179 00:09:40,399 --> 00:09:42,559 She just test the one and I changed it up 180 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:44,799 every three months. She gets a holy layout. 181 00:09:45,039 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Yeah, Lisa was telling me to ask 182 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:49,080 you about her name is Henry? 183 00:09:49,399 --> 00:09:52,159 Speaker 4: Well it was Henry, and then I realized that Henry 184 00:09:52,279 --> 00:09:54,000 liked the hardware to be a Henry. 185 00:09:54,159 --> 00:09:56,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good name. That's a good strong name 186 00:09:56,759 --> 00:09:59,120 for a mouse. I think. So gives me. It's giving 187 00:09:59,159 --> 00:10:02,960 me like, what is it American tale vibes? I'm dating 188 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:06,000 myself here, I'm aging with that one, but now that 189 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:07,919 I think about it, I gotta show them it is 190 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:12,320 a good one. Well, speaking of mommy, you mommy a 191 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:14,559 mouse and me mommy and kids who have not seen 192 00:10:14,639 --> 00:10:17,200 the classics yet, I want to play a game with you. 193 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:18,919 I was introduced a show with a game just so 194 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:20,440 that we can get warmed up and get to know 195 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:22,960 each other. And this game is called dog mom Life. 196 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:25,519 And if you're keen, I just have a few questions 197 00:10:25,519 --> 00:10:33,240 about your dog mom life. Are you ready to play? Sure? Okay? 198 00:10:33,519 --> 00:10:37,480 First question, when did you officially become a dog mom? 199 00:10:37,639 --> 00:10:40,759 Was there like a first pet you got, or a 200 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:43,879 moment that like said, okay, yeah, I'm definitely. 201 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:47,039 Speaker 4: A dog mom. I'm forty eight. I think I never 202 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:51,200 keep up with my age. When I my first adult dog, 203 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:53,720 you know how we have. Our first adult dog was 204 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:57,679 a tricolored Border Collie and name was Harley. I did 205 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:03,159 agility contest with her and she was just my entire world. 206 00:11:03,879 --> 00:11:06,720 When I had my oldest son, that became her child. 207 00:11:06,759 --> 00:11:09,440 That was no longer my child, that was her child. 208 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:13,000 She was just the smartest dog. You could ask her 209 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:14,960 to go get the sippy cup, Go get the bottle. 210 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:17,360 She would go into the refrigerator for you. She would 211 00:11:17,399 --> 00:11:19,639 bring you the diaker bag, she would bring you the remote. 212 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:23,759 She's the pasted It was your first I will ever 213 00:11:23,879 --> 00:11:26,799 even reporter Molly because of her. And I didn't know 214 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:30,799 about anxiety. I didn't know about creation. Like I could 215 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:34,960 go to down the very short driveway, might I add 216 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:36,919 you and go get the mail, and she'd like rip 217 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:40,519 stuff off the wall. It's like I was gone for 218 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:44,120 a minute, what is happening? But she was. She was 219 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:47,720 an awesome girl, very intelligent. She would sit there on 220 00:11:47,759 --> 00:11:52,080 the floor and if the ball rolled and hit you, 221 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:54,159 she wouldn't go get it because she didn't want to 222 00:11:54,159 --> 00:11:56,360 touch you. And she got that from making sure that 223 00:11:56,399 --> 00:11:57,679 she didn't bump the kids. 224 00:11:58,080 --> 00:11:59,879 Speaker 1: Oh you got a good dog. 225 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 4: She's such a good girl, Like she was my baby. 226 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, what a good dog. I had a 227 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:08,600 dog that was a little bit of a mom with 228 00:12:08,919 --> 00:12:11,519 my first and we actually were very scared she was 229 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:15,240 gonna hurt him because she like herded him so much 230 00:12:15,279 --> 00:12:17,240 when he was like crawling and moving that I had 231 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:20,159 to separate them. So not all dog moms are are 232 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:25,360 necessarily great dog mom. Socks was mediocre test. Okay, So, 233 00:12:25,399 --> 00:12:28,039 speaking of dog moms, what is your dog mom named? 234 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:32,600 Do you refer to yourself as like, mom, mommy, mama, Mama, 235 00:12:32,919 --> 00:12:35,799 me too, I'm mama too. Can you speak about yourself 236 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:38,799 mama and the third person when speaking to your dog, 237 00:12:39,159 --> 00:12:40,679 like Mom's going to feed you now? 238 00:12:40,919 --> 00:12:41,159 Speaker 4: Yes? 239 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:44,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean who does it right? What is the 240 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:47,600 best part of being a dog mom in your mind? This? 241 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:53,799 Speaker 4: I have never been a little dog person. Yes, and 242 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:57,879 she like I never knew you could have two heart dogs. 243 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:00,799 And she definitely she's she's the baby. 244 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:02,679 Speaker 1: Oh my god. 245 00:13:02,759 --> 00:13:06,919 Speaker 4: She is always velcro to me. You know, this is 246 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:09,759 my favorite part. When we come home, she is always 247 00:13:09,759 --> 00:13:14,919 so very happy. She is nodded, an outdoorsy type of dog. 248 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:18,320 She refuses to pee and poop outside. She has a peapad. 249 00:13:18,759 --> 00:13:22,720 We are no, no, and when we've gone, she growls 250 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:24,679 and she's telling you to come and we need this 251 00:13:24,759 --> 00:13:25,200 cleaned up. 252 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 1: Oh boy. Oh, she's a diva. She is a diva. 253 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 4: That one he does. And if she's wonning in my laugh, 254 00:13:33,039 --> 00:13:38,759 she'll dig at my arm and she'll go. She's very 255 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:43,039 very vocal. She can be quite the little witchy girl too. 256 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:47,440 Speaker 1: Oh oh oh, naughty, she's spicy. Okay, So what's the 257 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:50,799 worst part about being a dog mom Loss losing them? 258 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:55,559 Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely loss. You know, I guess we all kind 259 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:58,360 of get into the role of it is what it is, 260 00:13:58,639 --> 00:14:03,679 and we control our lives around them. I have three 261 00:14:03,759 --> 00:14:07,759 highly reactive dogs. Wow, and so two of them get 262 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:11,240 muzzled and we do crate and rotate with this one 263 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:14,039 and Nokie. Now, yeah, it sucks. You don't want that. 264 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:17,600 You don't want that life. But we've been doing it 265 00:14:17,639 --> 00:14:20,759 for three months and this is now. You know, it's 266 00:14:20,799 --> 00:14:23,320 just kind of a thing. Huh. I think that's a 267 00:14:23,399 --> 00:14:26,240 thing that we all don't talk about. You know, it's 268 00:14:26,279 --> 00:14:28,960 okay to muzzle train. It's okay to have muzzles on. 269 00:14:29,519 --> 00:14:31,679 It's okay to create train, it's okay to have them 270 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:34,039 and to create and create and rotate and things like that. 271 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:36,399 My favorite things is to talk about the stuff that 272 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:37,320 nobody talks about. 273 00:14:37,639 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, well us as far as muzzling, I couldn't agree more. 274 00:14:40,519 --> 00:14:43,879 I My only regret with my Socks, who was the 275 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:48,080 hurting babysitter, My biggest regret with her was not muzzling 276 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:50,440 her sooner, because like we didn't enjoy our walks because 277 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:53,360 she was unpredictable and for like ninety percent of the 278 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:55,399 time she was perfectly fine. But there was that one 279 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:58,639 time she'll lunch, she did bite somebody, minor bite, but 280 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:01,159 still a bite one and like that should have been 281 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:03,840 that's when I should have started muzzling her. Not after, 282 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:08,159 you know, my son came and after once the risk 283 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:10,399 was higher, then I finally muzzled her. But the risk 284 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:12,399 was always there. So I totally agree with you. I'm 285 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:14,440 a big fan of muzzle training, and I think so 286 00:15:14,519 --> 00:15:16,799 many dogs benefit from that and the community at large 287 00:15:16,799 --> 00:15:20,399 benefits from that. Who is easier to mom? Dogs are cats? 288 00:15:20,879 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 4: Cats? Ooh? How so they don't. 289 00:15:26,799 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 1: Well, I guess they could tear up your house with 290 00:15:28,639 --> 00:15:29,200 their nails. 291 00:15:29,279 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 4: Mine are very easy, Like I have one, and she 292 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:35,000 is she's neurotic and she only loves my husband. Fair 293 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:38,240 sh I know, I'm done to feeds you. No, she 294 00:15:38,279 --> 00:15:42,120 lives downstairs. Her knucky don't vibe. I don't know when 295 00:15:42,159 --> 00:15:45,879 that happened. It's been several years though, but she became 296 00:15:45,919 --> 00:15:48,720 my bathroom cat when we were living on Long Island, 297 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:52,279 which in a very small square like six hundred square 298 00:15:52,279 --> 00:15:55,879 foot apartment, my husband was not amused by having a 299 00:15:55,919 --> 00:15:56,559 bathroom cat. 300 00:15:58,279 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 1: As then she lived in the bathroom all the time. 301 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 4: Time got shes them out and so but that's where 302 00:16:04,519 --> 00:16:08,000 she learned how to use the toilet like she uses Yeah, 303 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:10,440 she doesn't use the little box. She uses the toilet. 304 00:16:10,919 --> 00:16:15,919 She's a either a British short hair or just this 305 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:20,320 great Philiadelphia cat. Oh my god, that's neurotic. And she 306 00:16:20,399 --> 00:16:22,960 screams at you when she wants things. 307 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 1: I mean, you're describing me, but I'm not from Philadelphia. 308 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:29,480 I'm from Miami. But like basically, like that's basically me. 309 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:33,679 I'm impressed with the skills that your pets have, like 310 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:38,600 obviously doing something right. When your dog literally tells you 311 00:16:38,639 --> 00:16:40,840 to pick up after them and your cat uses the 312 00:16:40,879 --> 00:16:43,080 toilet like you really are snow white. 313 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:44,639 Speaker 4: My grandfather would be so proud. 314 00:16:45,039 --> 00:16:47,919 Speaker 1: Okay, So last one, how many dogs go to the 315 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:50,399 bathroom with you as a dog, mom, one? 316 00:16:51,039 --> 00:16:54,879 Speaker 4: Only one, well two of them, but like at a time, one. 317 00:16:54,799 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 1: At a time because they're separated. 318 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:59,639 Speaker 4: Yeah, if knucki's out, Knucky goes with me. If this 319 00:16:59,679 --> 00:17:03,679 one who's constantly like, look at it, it's resting, like 320 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:07,720 all the time. She judges constantly. 321 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:11,440 Speaker 1: Oh no, that's so funny. So I don't know about 322 00:17:11,599 --> 00:17:15,559 Dulcie's legacy, and I apologized for Before I finally got 323 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:20,400 the actual pronunciation, I was saying it all Italian like dulce. 324 00:17:21,279 --> 00:17:24,319 And now I actually wonder if when I order my 325 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:28,680 cinnamon Dulce lattes at Starbucks, I'm doing it wrong. 326 00:17:29,279 --> 00:17:32,039 Speaker 4: No, you're saying it correctly. Okay, I have a really 327 00:17:32,079 --> 00:17:34,960 inappropriate joke, but I'm not going to say. But yeah, 328 00:17:35,039 --> 00:17:37,440 Dalson was not named by me because I don't have 329 00:17:37,559 --> 00:17:39,599 the same I cue and it's not that person's fault. 330 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:41,039 Speaker 1: So no, Dulci. 331 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:44,279 Speaker 4: What was the question, Dulcie's Dulcy. 332 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:48,319 Speaker 1: Was your one of your heart dogs? Yes, and Dulcy 333 00:17:48,759 --> 00:17:53,160 is so Dulcie's legacy is named for Dulci. So tell 334 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:56,960 us about Dulcie's legacy. When did you establish it and 335 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:58,839 what was the inspiration behind it. 336 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 4: So I was already in school when I was in 337 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:06,960 Alamarada and the Keys, that's where we were living. I 338 00:18:07,039 --> 00:18:09,440 was already starting to go to school. I was learning 339 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:13,039 about raw feeding. Dulcy had just been diagnosed with larpar 340 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:15,839 And for those that don't know what larpar means. It 341 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:19,920 stems from the initials gulp, larpar is. There's a little 342 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:21,640 flap in the back of the throat that sees is 343 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:25,559 shut where its ses is open, and we can aspirate, 344 00:18:26,079 --> 00:18:28,960 but if it sees is shut, we are suffocating to death. 345 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:34,039 And he started having anywhere from five to six episodes 346 00:18:34,079 --> 00:18:37,039 a week, and he would sit in my arms and 347 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:39,680 have a seizure and suffocate and you're an e and 348 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:43,000 deficating all over himself. And so I started learning about 349 00:18:43,039 --> 00:18:47,400 food and inflammation and these type of things and learned 350 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:49,839 that raw feeding Miami was, you know, less than an 351 00:18:49,839 --> 00:18:53,319 hour away, and so you know, it just became Hi, 352 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:55,480 can I help you. It just kind of, you know, 353 00:18:55,640 --> 00:19:00,400 came about in my mentor was in the UK absolutely 354 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:03,640 lover and of course in the UK they call it college. 355 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:07,920 We go to college or it's college. And she was like, yeah, 356 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:11,440 I have a bachelor's from this, and I was like, 357 00:19:11,559 --> 00:19:16,640 what the consummate education. Yes, I started my classes, Ellie, 358 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:20,839 this isn't going to work. Baby, I started, Oh my gosh, 359 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:24,880 she's so cute. I started my classes and started learning 360 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:30,119 about DIY and he went from because I did it wrong, 361 00:19:30,319 --> 00:19:32,440 just like everybody else did. I had him on three 362 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:35,599 different kibbles I was doing. I never did the flea 363 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:38,279 and tich and I never did the vaccinations. But I 364 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:43,759 had him on two prescription kibbles and one specifically for 365 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:47,680 arthritis because he needed the extra glucosamine Condroidan called the 366 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:51,480 company asked him how much glucosamine is in this and 367 00:19:51,559 --> 00:19:55,400 I was told that those are guestimates because there's no 368 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:58,799 true way to put that into a number. And I 369 00:19:58,839 --> 00:20:01,599 was like, what, Like, this is why I'm buying the 370 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:05,079 ships And that just kind of sent me down the 371 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:08,079 rabbit hole of synthetics. It's one of my biggest pet peeves. 372 00:20:09,039 --> 00:20:13,079 And so we went from five and six episodes to 373 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,839 one in six months, just from the whole food that 374 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:20,440 was it. So yeah, lart Par is one of those 375 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:22,960 that and you can have the tie back. I mean 376 00:20:23,039 --> 00:20:26,880 a lot has changed since what in five years. I 377 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,559 don't even think that they do the tie back procedure anymore, 378 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:31,799 or they've altered it or something. I don't remember what 379 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:34,920 it was. One of my last clients said, but yeah, 380 00:20:35,039 --> 00:20:37,559 that's why I didn't want to do the tie back 381 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:40,839 is because he was such a big swimmer and if 382 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:43,119 we do the tie back, he could swallow water aspiry 383 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:46,960 and that's hers is right, and which I mean at 384 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:48,759 that time. It when mattered. We moved back up to 385 00:20:48,799 --> 00:20:52,319 New Jersey by November, and so it's like there's a 386 00:20:52,319 --> 00:20:55,200 lot of swimming, you know, in that area, especially where 387 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:56,680 we work because we were right there on the border 388 00:20:56,720 --> 00:21:00,240 of Pennsylvania. But no, we just you know, I to 389 00:21:00,279 --> 00:21:04,000 tend to be comfortable, So I had no clue what 390 00:21:04,039 --> 00:21:07,200 I was doing. I was using cannabis t eac for 391 00:21:07,319 --> 00:21:09,960 him to keep him nice and comfortable, dropped his inflammation 392 00:21:10,079 --> 00:21:13,240 through whole foods. That was that I was still going 393 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:17,359 to scold getting my degree. Had no clue what I 394 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:17,920 was up for. 395 00:21:18,279 --> 00:21:20,279 Speaker 1: And what is Dulci's legacy today. 396 00:21:20,599 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 4: I didn't think I was gonna get emotional. Dulcie's legacy is, 397 00:21:24,039 --> 00:21:28,519 in my opinion, the voice for people who love their 398 00:21:28,559 --> 00:21:35,200 animals and have no connection or no stability or nobody 399 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:38,599 to lean on during those moments. And that's what I 400 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:41,440 wanted because I didn't have any of that. I wanted 401 00:21:41,559 --> 00:21:45,119 somebody to have a support system, whether it was two 402 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:47,680 o'clock in the morning or twelve o'clock in the afternoon. 403 00:21:47,799 --> 00:21:49,759 I didn't care. Two o'clock in the morning is when 404 00:21:49,799 --> 00:21:52,920 our voices get really, really loud. And you know, my 405 00:21:53,079 --> 00:21:55,200 husband has always been there. I can talk to him 406 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,440 at the drop of a hat. He was working And 407 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:00,160 these are my feelings, these are my emotions, and it's 408 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:03,759 just me having that panic attack at two am. Tell 409 00:22:03,759 --> 00:22:05,359 you how many phone calls I get at that time, 410 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:07,359 and I'm okay for it. We go in, we sit 411 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:09,559 and we cry it out in the bathroom, or we 412 00:22:09,759 --> 00:22:12,200 drink some wine, have a couple of shots. Who knows, 413 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:15,119 that's what we do. I've got owners that message me 414 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,920 nine to one one I need help, and I call 415 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:21,440 them up and sometimes it's five minutes, sometimes it's three hours. 416 00:22:21,559 --> 00:22:22,240 To my babies. 417 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:25,640 Speaker 1: And you work with pet parents that are dealing with 418 00:22:26,039 --> 00:22:28,960 what kind of situations with their pet. If I can't 419 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:31,279 fix it, if it cannot be cured, that goes into 420 00:22:31,279 --> 00:22:34,400 my unity program. I have currently one hundred and eighty 421 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,240 one currently one hundred and eighty two cancer dogs right now. 422 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,440 That does not include my neurological that does not include 423 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:46,079 my cardiac that does not include my liber and kiddeing disease. Wow, 424 00:22:46,519 --> 00:22:48,079 just my cancer babies and. 425 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:52,519 Speaker 4: They are thirty. My entire world. Everybody who's always asking me, 426 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:57,240 everybody's always asking me why why it is I do 427 00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,839 what I do? And I truly do think it was 428 00:23:00,039 --> 00:23:02,920 penance for not knowing what I needed to know for him. 429 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:06,039 You know, I thought I was going into the vet's 430 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:10,599 office in New Jersey with an osteo arthritis dog, and 431 00:23:10,799 --> 00:23:14,720 I didn't. I came out with a terminal dog and 432 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:18,240 we lost him within three weeks. Oh no, I didn't 433 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,759 even have time to acclimate. I didn't have time to 434 00:23:21,519 --> 00:23:25,440 understand or read about osteo sarkama. His entire shoulder was 435 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:30,000 hollowed out and it fantasticized to the lungs. Oh no, 436 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:33,880 he is heavy tested boy, and so to remove that 437 00:23:34,559 --> 00:23:38,119 plus PT. You know, I still don't know that I 438 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:41,119 would have made We always questioned, We always questioned, did 439 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,920 we do the riding? We know enough. I still didn't 440 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,960 think I made the wrong decision, even knowing what I 441 00:23:47,039 --> 00:23:49,680 know now, for the simple fact that the physical therapy 442 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:54,480 would have been awful. Yes, you know, doing six months 443 00:23:54,519 --> 00:23:57,640 if and we know that when this is a big 444 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,400 one for me too. If you guys get a a 445 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,359 cancer diagnosis and they give you a three to six 446 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,319 month mark or a two to four week mark, whatever 447 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,720 it is. Unless that is the very first veterinarian to 448 00:24:09,759 --> 00:24:11,839 have a crystal ball and can see into the future, 449 00:24:12,319 --> 00:24:14,400 you don't get to do that, and that is part 450 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:17,599 of my job is to give you your voice back. No, 451 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,720 because I cannot tell you how many of my terminal 452 00:24:20,759 --> 00:24:24,079 dogs have gotten weeks have gotten years with me. Wow, 453 00:24:24,799 --> 00:24:27,119 So huh, that's amazing. 454 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,359 Speaker 1: Do you work with both dogs and cats, or since 455 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,559 you're a canine nutritionists you focus mostly on ducts. 456 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:38,359 Speaker 4: Ellie, honey, elly climbs you. I'd work with cats. I 457 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,839 love cats, I do, but they are so difficult when 458 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:45,680 it comes to food change. I'm not as proficient in 459 00:24:45,759 --> 00:24:49,720 cats as I am these guys. And she snorts to you, 460 00:24:49,759 --> 00:24:50,799 by the way, sorry. 461 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:55,599 Speaker 1: Oh well, actually I will say that. Jessica on Instagram 462 00:24:55,599 --> 00:24:57,839 a little while ago said that cats are tough. 463 00:24:57,799 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 4: And I love them, but oh they are. 464 00:25:00,599 --> 00:25:03,680 Speaker 1: They're very difficult, and they hide things, maybe a lot 465 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,519 better than dogs do, and it's probably harder to tell 466 00:25:06,559 --> 00:25:09,799 if something's working with them. I would imagine. 467 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,119 Speaker 4: Diet is a platform of everything that you do right, 468 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,640 and a lot of people and don't understand that cats 469 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:18,119 imprint on their food when you're a kids. So if 470 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:21,359 you get a cat and it's an adult and we're 471 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,599 nine years in and now we have this cancer diagnosis, 472 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,440 it's hard for them to change to a whole food diet. 473 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,279 I mean it's doable for some, but I have seen 474 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:35,039 cats that want in my food. I mean they would 475 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:40,759 rather unlive themselves than change their diet. And so I'm 476 00:25:40,799 --> 00:25:42,799 in control freak. I don't like losing. 477 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:44,799 Speaker 3: It. 478 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:48,359 Speaker 1: Sounds that we have a lot of people saying how 479 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,519 wonderful you are. Jenny Morena is saying that you are 480 00:25:51,559 --> 00:25:55,200 all that and more being a support system. Song Ya 481 00:25:55,319 --> 00:25:58,759 sends you a heart. There's a few people on Instagram 482 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,440 who are saying that you're just great, and I know 483 00:26:02,559 --> 00:26:04,240 that you are, and I know that you're in the 484 00:26:04,279 --> 00:26:07,799 process of becoming a hospice practitioner. We're going to take 485 00:26:07,839 --> 00:26:09,759 a break right here, and when we come back, Bronwyn 486 00:26:09,799 --> 00:26:11,839 and I are going to dig into the topic of 487 00:26:12,079 --> 00:26:15,160 haliative and hospice care for pets, something that many pet 488 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,599 parents don't know enough about, but unfortunately all of us 489 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,119 will face. Don't go anywhere, We'll be right back. 490 00:26:23,759 --> 00:26:26,440 Speaker 5: Oh sure, it's all fun and games until someone ends 491 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:27,319 up in a cone. 492 00:26:27,839 --> 00:26:30,079 Speaker 4: That's right, we are animals, deal with it. 493 00:26:30,319 --> 00:26:34,400 Speaker 1: Headline Radio, Let's Talk pets. 494 00:26:33,799 --> 00:26:34,759 Speaker 3: Let's talk pats. 495 00:26:35,039 --> 00:26:35,759 Speaker 1: Let's talk pets. 496 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:49,759 Speaker 5: Headline Radio, Petlight Radio dot Com. 497 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Covered in Pet Hair. I'm your host 498 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,400 Isabelle Alvarzerata, and today I'm speaking with Bronwyn Farley of 499 00:26:55,559 --> 00:26:59,720 Dulcie's Legacy. She's an amazing dog mom with lots to 500 00:26:59,799 --> 00:27:02,839 offer for dogs and well they're people. And that brings 501 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,000 me to kind of like the second part of the 502 00:27:05,039 --> 00:27:08,720 show where I want to dig in more into paliative 503 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,920 care for pets and hospice care for pets, because I 504 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,279 think it's something we all deal with at some point, 505 00:27:14,319 --> 00:27:16,359 but maybe we don't have a name for it, because 506 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,920 it's not something that has been until maybe now kind 507 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,039 of referred to in that sense unless you're in a 508 00:27:22,079 --> 00:27:24,640 big city with a big practice that has a you know, 509 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,960 department for that. So, with your permission, I'd like to 510 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:32,920 invite you to play a second game called palliative versus Hospice, 511 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,279 and I'm going to give you one minute to very 512 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:40,359 very basically, very very elementary explain the difference between palliative 513 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:44,240 care and hospice care specifically for pets. Okay, do you 514 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:45,640 think you can do that in one minute? 515 00:27:45,799 --> 00:27:46,079 Speaker 4: I can? 516 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,920 Speaker 1: All right, three, two, one go okay. 517 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,279 Speaker 4: So for me, my hospice is a little bit different 518 00:27:51,279 --> 00:27:54,319 in the terminology. Everything I do is centered around bond 519 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,240 centered page of care, which means it's a connection that 520 00:27:57,319 --> 00:28:00,960 I work off of you and your pat Hospice for 521 00:28:01,079 --> 00:28:03,279 me is a feeling. I don't know what it is, 522 00:28:03,319 --> 00:28:05,319 and I have yet to have been wrong. If I 523 00:28:05,759 --> 00:28:08,119 say that that it's time to put you in hospice, 524 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:09,720 it means I know I'm going to lose you in 525 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:11,720 a week. I have yet to have been wrong in that. 526 00:28:12,599 --> 00:28:16,839 Palliative care for me is palliative care. That means we 527 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,519 can have surgery. That means that you can have mass 528 00:28:19,519 --> 00:28:22,319 cele tumor have it removed. Mas cell tumor is still 529 00:28:22,319 --> 00:28:25,160 there in the body, it's just hasn't presented itself to 530 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,920 you yet. Again, that's paliative care. Paliative care means that 531 00:28:29,279 --> 00:28:31,519 we will have a quality of life when we have 532 00:28:31,599 --> 00:28:33,839 hospice that is no longer a quality of life. 533 00:28:34,039 --> 00:28:37,680 Speaker 1: All right, that was fifty three seconds. Great work, Oh God, 534 00:28:38,359 --> 00:28:41,640 nice job, and I know you said that you were 535 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,799 becoming a hospice practitioner. What does that mean? And is 536 00:28:45,839 --> 00:28:48,880 there a certification for that somewhere? How does that work? 537 00:28:49,319 --> 00:28:52,519 Speaker 4: It is in in fact Lisa, who was one of 538 00:28:52,559 --> 00:28:56,759 my clients. In fact, I almost quit after losing one 539 00:28:56,839 --> 00:29:00,359 of her girls. She could have been Dulcie's doppelginger. And 540 00:29:00,559 --> 00:29:04,759 we just had her to your anniversary on Tuesday, same disease, 541 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:09,240 same cancer, same shoulder. I was angry. Let me tell 542 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:13,559 you what. We caught it early and we lost her 543 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:19,400 to a hamangio bleedout and so we just celebrated. We 544 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,920 didn't celebrate. We just had her two year. And understand 545 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,400 when I say celebrate, I look at death and passing 546 00:29:26,599 --> 00:29:29,160 a lot different now than most people. Do. You know? 547 00:29:29,319 --> 00:29:32,160 Death can be Yes, it's sad and it's heart wrenching, 548 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,839 but it can also be a you know, quite beautiful 549 00:29:34,839 --> 00:29:36,359 thing too if you look at it that a way. 550 00:29:37,279 --> 00:29:44,519 But today is also her second pops Kayla anniversary that 551 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:46,279 we lost at a year old. And this is my 552 00:29:46,319 --> 00:29:47,079 screaming one. 553 00:29:47,279 --> 00:29:50,319 Speaker 1: Oh Hi. I was like, it's that your cut or mine? 554 00:29:50,359 --> 00:29:52,680 Because mine is locked out of my office. 555 00:29:52,799 --> 00:29:55,039 Speaker 4: God is definitely mine. That that is my black and 556 00:29:55,039 --> 00:29:58,559 white Texedo who is now screaming for dinner. So going 557 00:29:58,599 --> 00:30:01,160 back to and I'm so I got distracted. What was 558 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:02,720 the question that I got on to Lisa that. 559 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,559 Speaker 1: You were telling us about you just not celebrated and 560 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:07,839 quotes the passing of her second. 561 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:09,799 Speaker 4: Up, What was the question before that? 562 00:30:09,839 --> 00:30:13,240 Speaker 1: Because like, oh, sorry, the question is about the hospice 563 00:30:13,279 --> 00:30:15,759 care certificate that you're earning or you're working. 564 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 4: Pa found this and she's my co owner of the 565 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:22,680 Holistic Companion Care Network. She started as a client and 566 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,319 began doing what I do. I have been working with 567 00:30:26,559 --> 00:30:30,240 hospice and cancer dogs for the past five years. Lisa 568 00:30:30,319 --> 00:30:32,599 found a certification and put a name to it. I 569 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:34,599 never knew that there was a name for what I do. 570 00:30:34,799 --> 00:30:37,640 I just knew that I loved doing it. I just 571 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:42,799 redid my website for Dulcie's Legacy and there was a 572 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:46,519 quote that I came across that hospice is not a job. 573 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,480 It is a way of life. It is something that 574 00:30:48,599 --> 00:30:51,839 pulls you from here. And that's that's what hospice is 575 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,319 to me. That's what palliative care it all for me 576 00:30:54,519 --> 00:30:58,559 lumps into one and so many of my clients. You 577 00:30:58,599 --> 00:31:02,480 know that have conditions like Ginny in Finnic. They've been 578 00:31:02,519 --> 00:31:04,960 with me for a couple of years and one day, 579 00:31:05,039 --> 00:31:07,400 yes he will be in hospice, but it's not today, 580 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,119 and it won't be next week, and it won't be 581 00:31:09,359 --> 00:31:12,680 next month. Right now, she's enjoying the moment and she 582 00:31:12,759 --> 00:31:15,000 has system every day when she needs it. Why I 583 00:31:15,039 --> 00:31:15,640 do what I do? 584 00:31:16,039 --> 00:31:19,799 Speaker 1: And when it comes to polliative care, when does polyative 585 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:23,440 care start? Is it age? Is it diagnosis? Is it 586 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:24,599 a little bit what you're saying? 587 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:28,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, you know oftentimes and one of the big 588 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,960 things that what did I do wrong? What did I 589 00:31:31,039 --> 00:31:36,359 do to make this happen? You guys? I have a 590 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:40,599 six year old tipletarier named Luna who has mass hell tumor. 591 00:31:41,279 --> 00:31:43,079 She came to me at a year and a half old. Yes, 592 00:31:43,119 --> 00:31:45,359 she was a wreck. She had heartworms, she had an 593 00:31:45,359 --> 00:31:49,680 ace yellow injury, she had mestitis, and she was uberbread. 594 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,279 Gave her an over Ea spring spay, and I corrected 595 00:31:52,279 --> 00:31:54,640 everything else, including the heartworms with herbs. 596 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,799 Speaker 1: Wow. Well, maybe because she came as such a wreck, 597 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:01,240 we'll assume that that's why the thumbs day. Because we 598 00:32:01,359 --> 00:32:04,160 don't like sick dogs to come to at one and 599 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:04,920 a half years old. 600 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 4: Poor thing. So she's lived with me and had herbs 601 00:32:09,559 --> 00:32:13,240 and support and everything else. And last February we were 602 00:32:13,319 --> 00:32:16,559 diagnosed with mass cele tumor. Now is that something I did? 603 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:20,759 Though it's not. She's one a Piple terrier, and two 604 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,799 she is a blue and light that genetic of blue, 605 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,359 but those are notorious for mass cell tumors genetically speaking, 606 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,519 so she didn't have one because she had three ticks. 607 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:33,720 She was a rescue she I have no clue what 608 00:32:33,799 --> 00:32:36,160 happened to her that very first life or very first 609 00:32:36,279 --> 00:32:39,680 year of life. She let's see, so the first year 610 00:32:39,839 --> 00:32:43,160 she's an American Pible terrier and she's blue. I'm just 611 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:44,720 setting all sorts of balloons. 612 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,839 Speaker 1: You got balloons. I'm not really sure what the context 613 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,240 of the balloons is in this conversation, but we'll take them. 614 00:32:50,319 --> 00:32:51,240 Speaker 4: We'll take the balloons. 615 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,319 Speaker 1: I don't even know what platform those are on to 616 00:32:54,359 --> 00:32:54,680 be asked. 617 00:32:54,759 --> 00:32:57,039 Speaker 4: I don't either, because I'll be talking with the girls 618 00:32:57,079 --> 00:33:00,599 and I'll do like hey and like balloon or I 619 00:33:00,599 --> 00:33:02,640 don't know, and I'll try to recreate it. It won't 620 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:02,880 do it. 621 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:09,720 Speaker 1: Well. Technology is showing off today. Wow, So Luna nothing 622 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:13,680 you could have done. Absolutely, she is then from the 623 00:33:13,839 --> 00:33:16,720 day you got that diagnosis in palliative care. 624 00:33:16,839 --> 00:33:19,720 Speaker 4: Yes, that is taliative care, and guys that look like 625 00:33:19,759 --> 00:33:24,160 for her. So usually I do not have mass cele 626 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,720 tumor aspirated. That's a big no no in my opinion, 627 00:33:28,519 --> 00:33:30,640 for the simple fact there's too much room for human air, 628 00:33:31,039 --> 00:33:33,559 and there's a lot of human air, and if there 629 00:33:33,599 --> 00:33:36,559 is human air, then it releases into the body where 630 00:33:36,559 --> 00:33:38,960 we can't see it or we can't control it as much. 631 00:33:40,119 --> 00:33:42,799 A lot of doctors want to go in and remove it. 632 00:33:43,079 --> 00:33:45,680 I love doctor Judy Morgan's we do not poken piss 633 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:46,319 cancer off. 634 00:33:46,759 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 1: Oh I love that. I haven't heard her say that, 635 00:33:48,759 --> 00:33:50,640 but that sounds pretty good to me. 636 00:33:51,359 --> 00:33:55,839 Speaker 4: And so I have mass cele tumors removed in very 637 00:33:55,880 --> 00:34:00,400 specific locations in the armpit and the groin, on the elbow, 638 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:05,319 on the knees, or anywhere near the throat. But the 639 00:34:05,359 --> 00:34:07,720 simple fact we know that mass cell tumor is a 640 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:12,079 collection of histamines. So really cool little trick about mass 641 00:34:12,079 --> 00:34:13,440 cell tumors. You can go give it a couple of 642 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,360 little squeezes, some pinches, and I'll fluff up and get 643 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,599 mad at you. That's the histaman really says it'll go 644 00:34:18,639 --> 00:34:22,320 back down. But if a dog has it and his 645 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,480 or her armpit, every time we stretch out and it 646 00:34:25,519 --> 00:34:29,320 comes back, you're rubbing that. Histamines are activated. That's the 647 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,199 reason why if it gets bumped, if you pinch it, 648 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,559 if you thump it, if you rub it, massele tumors 649 00:34:34,599 --> 00:34:37,599 are going to get angry and irritated and they'll swell. 650 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,239 So those are the reasons why I have those areas removed. 651 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:44,760 Doctor Ladden is our vet. She's absolutely amazing vet. She 652 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:48,639 lives on Long Island. She no longer works there. She's 653 00:34:48,679 --> 00:34:51,960 doing other current things right now. But she had me 654 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,719 bring Luna in and we went ahead and decided to 655 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:56,639 remove it. We didn't poke and piss it off or 656 00:34:56,639 --> 00:34:59,400 anything like that. Here's the other thing about mass cell tumor, 657 00:35:00,039 --> 00:35:02,599 kind of like a weed. If you remove one, guarantee 658 00:35:02,599 --> 00:35:06,280 you you're gonna have some more later on. Oh and 659 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,039 so that's the reason why I call it palliative care. 660 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:15,400 Luna did great for two months, five more chema oh no, 661 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,840 put her on missletoe therapy, put her on CBD, put 662 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:23,800 her on several different flushed her lymphatic system, and they 663 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,800 all went away, no surgery needed, they just all went away. 664 00:35:27,159 --> 00:35:29,800 They're small. We caught them early, right, We've supported to 665 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,000 her immine system, we've de talked it, we've flushed the 666 00:35:32,039 --> 00:35:35,760 lymphatic system. She's you know, got food therapy that was 667 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:39,039 specific to her body and her needs. And so yeah, 668 00:35:39,199 --> 00:35:44,400 no tumors present anymore. Two weeks ago on her rib cage, 669 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,960 there's louly and a beauty fluff of hair that was 670 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,400 popping up, and she has another masshile tumor. It's about 671 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,960 the size of a grain of rice. Started her back 672 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,440 on her missiletoe therapy because I like to keep the 673 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:59,519 body guessing, and so started her back on her missiletoe 674 00:35:59,519 --> 00:36:02,360 therapy and it's already almost got Wow. 675 00:36:03,159 --> 00:36:07,199 Speaker 1: This is a lot missletoe therapy, because I have to 676 00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:08,400 ask tell us about that. 677 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,000 Speaker 4: So a lot of my clients use doctor JA six 678 00:36:12,079 --> 00:36:15,480 mistletoe therapy, and we can use this with humans too. 679 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,360 Mistletoe therapy is one of those that it go in 680 00:36:18,519 --> 00:36:22,440 supports the immune system and it attacts cancer cells. A 681 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:26,719 lot of protocols want to and I use this terminology. 682 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:30,400 A lot is probably not polite or diplomatic. A lot 683 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,599 of an Ariyans like to throw the body up against 684 00:36:33,599 --> 00:36:36,280 the wall like it's spaghetti and see what sticks. That's 685 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,599 not my method. I you know, yes there's a finish line. 686 00:36:39,639 --> 00:36:42,440 Yes there's an end to all of this. We don't 687 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:44,760 have to rush to it. We can get there slowly 688 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,719 and gently, and so that's how I do all of 689 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,320 my clients. We will get there. Sometimes it's hard to 690 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,920 do nothing at all. A lot of clients have a 691 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,599 hard time with that, and I understand that we need 692 00:36:56,639 --> 00:36:58,760 to move forward. We need to be doing something in 693 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,400 those times that we're not doing it anything, push pause 694 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,199 and be in their moment, because those are memories you 695 00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:04,880 won't get back. 696 00:37:05,199 --> 00:37:05,360 Speaker 2: Right. 697 00:37:06,119 --> 00:37:09,360 Speaker 4: Mistletoe therapy is just another and it is an injection 698 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,840 that you guys have to do. Okay, so understand that 699 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,800 that is something. There are several different books on Amazon. 700 00:37:16,199 --> 00:37:21,079 Speaker 1: You mentioned something about tospice being a feeling. Tell me 701 00:37:21,559 --> 00:37:24,960 or tell us about what that feels like, what it 702 00:37:25,039 --> 00:37:28,559 is that you feel When you say I think we've met, 703 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,840 we've come to that point in this pet. 704 00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:36,239 Speaker 4: Stourney, it sounds so woo though it's just this woo woo. 705 00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,199 Speaker 1: I love woo woo. I am here for woo and 706 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:40,639 woo woo and woo woo woo. 707 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,400 Speaker 4: I am not like it because I can't put it 708 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,920 into words. I can't explain it. I can't touch it 709 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:49,119 and manipulate it. I told you a control freak, I 710 00:37:49,199 --> 00:37:52,239 can't and so I'm very uncomfortable with it. But it's 711 00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,239 never steered me wrong either. And so yeah, if I 712 00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,480 tell and I tell them, you know, there will come 713 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,480 a time that I tell you that it's time for 714 00:38:00,519 --> 00:38:03,119 us to have a different conversation. And yes, when I 715 00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:06,079 say that, my clients get very upset and we talk 716 00:38:06,119 --> 00:38:09,519 about it. And along the way, we've been doing stages. 717 00:38:09,679 --> 00:38:14,400 You know, we have celebration photography sessions. We have celebrations, 718 00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,119 you know that we do. And these are memories. And 719 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,320 I've preached until I'm blew in the face that it's 720 00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,400 okay to stop time, shut out the world, put the 721 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,840 phone down unless you just form you know, if they're 722 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,000 sitting there next to you like this, she's got her 723 00:38:28,039 --> 00:38:31,000 face tucked into my armpit and she's just crawled up, 724 00:38:31,039 --> 00:38:33,920 and I don't know how she's comfortable. Love this. This 725 00:38:34,039 --> 00:38:36,880 is me being in her moment, regardless of what is 726 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,280 happening in the rest of the world or around me. 727 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:43,400 This is my moment. I cannot explain what it means 728 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:47,760 to sit there and say that. Usually. I mean, if 729 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:49,880 we're going to sit there and speak logically about it, 730 00:38:50,199 --> 00:38:52,599 our vitals are crashing, we can't keep food down, the 731 00:38:52,679 --> 00:38:55,639 quality of life is diminished greatly. You know, if those 732 00:38:55,679 --> 00:38:59,119 things and that gut feeling, it's okay to say goodbye. 733 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,519 Speaker 1: So it is okay to say goodbye? And what have 734 00:39:02,599 --> 00:39:05,639 you learned helping people come to that decision? Because I'm 735 00:39:05,639 --> 00:39:08,159 sure that they come to you. Your clients come to 736 00:39:08,199 --> 00:39:12,079 you and say like, is it too soon? Or after 737 00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,280 you know that Monday morning quarterbacking? Did I wait too long? 738 00:39:15,599 --> 00:39:18,599 What do you say when they're filled with doubt, either 739 00:39:18,639 --> 00:39:22,639 before saying goodbye or just after filled with guilt? What 740 00:39:22,639 --> 00:39:25,039 do you tell them to That really comes not only 741 00:39:25,079 --> 00:39:29,599 from your intellectual understanding, but also what you've learned, what 742 00:39:29,639 --> 00:39:31,320 you've learned in this process. 743 00:39:31,599 --> 00:39:33,639 Speaker 4: I had a bonded pair. And for those that you 744 00:39:33,679 --> 00:39:36,440 don't know what bonded pair, look into it. Bonded pair 745 00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:40,639 means that after one leaves us, the second one. If 746 00:39:40,679 --> 00:39:44,400 there's a usually either the health condition pops up or 747 00:39:44,559 --> 00:39:47,559 they're closely behind them. I had a bonded pair that 748 00:39:47,639 --> 00:39:49,800 I knew I was going to lose within a week 749 00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:54,199 of each other, and it did. She declined, he stopped walking, 750 00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:58,920 she passed, he stopped eating, Like it was just systematic 751 00:40:00,079 --> 00:40:02,960 when we don't have a quality of life. Dogs have 752 00:40:03,039 --> 00:40:06,280 four major requirements in life. The first one is going 753 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:09,440 to be their job, their breed, what they do. The 754 00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,960 second one is specs well, the majority of us have 755 00:40:12,039 --> 00:40:14,079 removed that vale of the equation. Some of us that one, 756 00:40:14,119 --> 00:40:17,159 but some of us have. The third one is going 757 00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,800 to be their den, their home where they live. And 758 00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,559 their fourth one is their food. That is a major 759 00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,079 part of their life. It's the reason why I don't 760 00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,719 molest their bowls with a bunch of powders and supplements. 761 00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,480 Nobody wants to eat that I don't. I'd once held 762 00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:34,800 somebody tell me dogs don't have taste buds. What so 763 00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,239 I want them to love their food every single day 764 00:40:38,519 --> 00:40:42,039 of whatever time that they have left. Dogs are very 765 00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,679 prideful animals. They don't want to urinate on themselves. They 766 00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:49,559 don't want to defecate on themselves. Plain and Michelle Allen 767 00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:54,159 describes the wind in their ears perfectly and that every 768 00:40:54,199 --> 00:40:56,920 since I listened to her talk in New Jersey at 769 00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:01,000 Doctor Morgan's summit. The wind in their ears whatever for 770 00:41:01,119 --> 00:41:03,920 that dog, the wind in their ears. For the dog 771 00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,039 that she was speaking about, he couldn't get up and 772 00:41:06,079 --> 00:41:09,960 walk anymore, but he loved to go down to the road, 773 00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,920 and so she put him in a wagon, and that 774 00:41:13,039 --> 00:41:16,079 was the wind in his ears. Regardless of what it is, 775 00:41:16,119 --> 00:41:19,000 as long as we maybe it is sitting in the 776 00:41:19,039 --> 00:41:22,320 car and the windows down and that is their joyful moment. 777 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,440 If it is being put into a wagon going on 778 00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,679 the beach, those are all the wind in their ears. 779 00:41:28,679 --> 00:41:30,880 They get to still enjoy it. If it is a 780 00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,719 dog that can no longer walk and get up in play, 781 00:41:34,599 --> 00:41:37,960 then do a snuffle, Matt. You know, there's still some things. 782 00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,760 But when all of those things are gone, that's and 783 00:41:41,159 --> 00:41:45,000 we're not regulating the way that my bonded pair. The 784 00:41:45,039 --> 00:41:48,800 minute he couldn't regulate his own temperature, that's an issue. 785 00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,920 So all of those, yeah, those are when you start 786 00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:55,480 to feel that feeling and the look in their eyes 787 00:41:55,559 --> 00:41:58,199 when they look at you, you know, and so that's 788 00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:01,199 the feeling I get. I know it's not saying no, 789 00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:02,199 I think it's. 790 00:42:02,159 --> 00:42:06,360 Speaker 1: Really an empowering way of viewing it, because it's really 791 00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,800 no right answer, right, It's a feeling. It's it's you 792 00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,079 know your pet best, and in your case, you know 793 00:42:12,199 --> 00:42:14,480 your client's pets, and you know your client and you 794 00:42:14,519 --> 00:42:17,400 know their relationship and you can assess it as in 795 00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:19,960 the love is still there, but the quality of life 796 00:42:20,079 --> 00:42:22,840 isn't right, And the love will always be there, but 797 00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,679 the suffering doesn't have to be. So it's really nice 798 00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:27,960 to have somebody that you can actually count on to 799 00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:29,760 help you through those decisions, like you. 800 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,039 Speaker 4: And you know, going back to the question that you 801 00:42:32,079 --> 00:42:35,960 asked earlier, also about coming back after the fact, did 802 00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,760 I make the right decision? You're always going to second 803 00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:42,280 guess it. Here I am five years later, I still oh, 804 00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,920 could I have done differently? What if I had hinged 805 00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,239 his leg up? What if I had know I made 806 00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:50,599 the right decision? And we will always it's human nature 807 00:42:50,679 --> 00:42:51,480 to second guess that. 808 00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,960 Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely. I'm a big believer that too soon is 809 00:42:56,079 --> 00:42:59,840 always even better than too late. So sometimes I kick 810 00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:03,039 myself because I think I could have kept tighten a 811 00:43:03,039 --> 00:43:05,519 little bit longer. I never tried the wagon, I didn't 812 00:43:05,559 --> 00:43:09,440 try wheels. I didn't do this. But my core, my soul, 813 00:43:09,679 --> 00:43:12,360 my knowing of him, I knew he wouldn't want any 814 00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:14,639 of those things. So I didn't need to spend five 815 00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,599 hundred dollars on wheels for him to never ever want 816 00:43:17,599 --> 00:43:20,320 to wear them. I kind of already knew he wasn't 817 00:43:20,599 --> 00:43:23,880 open to that. And trusting yourself is hard in every 818 00:43:24,039 --> 00:43:27,039 aspect of life, especially when it comes to these end 819 00:43:27,119 --> 00:43:31,480 of life decisions where you feel so guilty about doing 820 00:43:31,519 --> 00:43:34,320 something that really is a gift. But it's not always. 821 00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:35,599 It doesn't always feel that way. 822 00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,920 Speaker 4: No, and it doesn't, you know. And I also have 823 00:43:39,039 --> 00:43:42,320 clients that ask me, you know, well, how will I 824 00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,840 know if it's right? How will I know if it's 825 00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:48,880 too soon or if it's too late? And I always 826 00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,239 tell them, I promise you I will not let you 827 00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,599 hold on too tight, because at that point I'll have 828 00:43:53,679 --> 00:43:56,840 to become their advocate and not yours. Perfect. I love 829 00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:00,760 that so much. That is such a huge gift. They 830 00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:02,719 come to me and they're like, no, I think it's time. 831 00:44:03,119 --> 00:44:06,159 I don't have that feeling yet. We're still doing swyz. 832 00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,519 Let's take a deep breath and let's see what happens, 833 00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:11,679 you know, And we get a couple more months. 834 00:44:12,199 --> 00:44:16,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's I mean invaluable. So tell us how can 835 00:44:16,119 --> 00:44:18,639 my audience learn more about your services and what you 836 00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,199 do if they're in need of somebody to hold their 837 00:44:21,199 --> 00:44:23,000 hand through a diagnosis. 838 00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:27,000 Speaker 4: You can find me, of course, on TikTok and I'm 839 00:44:27,039 --> 00:44:31,320 awful at TikTok and Instagram at Dulcy's Legacy. I'm also 840 00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:35,239 on Facebook and you can find me at dulcislegacy dot com. 841 00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,760 I do want to mention too that I have a 842 00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:42,519 group of fabulous girls that I have mentored the CCN 843 00:44:42,599 --> 00:44:45,760 network and it's the Holistic Companion Care Network. They all 844 00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:49,000 do consultations too. I have moved completely over to hospice 845 00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:52,719 and pietive care. Those are my babies. But you can 846 00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,679 find me over there and I'm happy to answer answer 847 00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,320 questions in hospice and things like that as well. 848 00:44:58,599 --> 00:45:01,280 Speaker 1: Wonderful, Well, I have so enjoyed getting to know you 849 00:45:01,519 --> 00:45:04,199 and getting to know a part of your soul that 850 00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:06,639 is really so beautiful. So I want to propose a 851 00:45:06,679 --> 00:45:09,440 toast to you for being my guest. Thank you so much. 852 00:45:09,639 --> 00:45:12,880 Here's to you. It was a blessed my pleasure. I 853 00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,159 also want to propose a toast to my executive producer, 854 00:45:15,199 --> 00:45:18,119 Mark Winter. Thank you Mark, he's my executive producer at 855 00:45:18,159 --> 00:45:21,119 pet Life Radio, and all of you for joining us 856 00:45:21,119 --> 00:45:23,880 for these awesome conversations. Here's to you, and here's to 857 00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,400 a life Covered in Pet Hair because there's no better 858 00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:27,760 way to live. Cheers. 859 00:45:28,039 --> 00:45:30,519 Speaker 4: Thank you so much, thank you for being. 860 00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:32,199 Speaker 1: My guest, and all of you who want to tune 861 00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:34,679 into more episodes of Covered in Pet Hair you can 862 00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:37,039 find him on YouTube, on pet Life Radio, and all 863 00:45:37,079 --> 00:45:40,320 your podcasting platforms. So please check out all of my 864 00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:42,599 wonderful guests. I only bring you the best as is 865 00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,199 evident by my guest today, So thank you all for 866 00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,960 tuning in and I will see you next week. On 867 00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:52,280 Thursday at three pm. I'm interviewing two fabulous people in 868 00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:56,119 the pet industry. They have two separate businesses that are 869 00:45:56,519 --> 00:45:59,639 all about raising funds for pets and you're gonna love it, 870 00:45:59,679 --> 00:46:03,440 so don't miss it next week, three o'clock Mountain Standard time, 871 00:46:03,519 --> 00:46:06,760 right here on Facebook, YouTube and hopefully Instagram if it 872 00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,000 lets me bring it to you because it plays hard 873 00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,760 if it does not play night. So thanks again everybody, 874 00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,840 and thank you again, Bronwyn. I hope to see you 875 00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,119 again in person at some point in the future. And 876 00:46:17,159 --> 00:46:19,239 if you guys have any questions for Bronwyn, I'm sure 877 00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:21,639 she'd be happy to stay for a minute and see 878 00:46:21,679 --> 00:46:25,639 if anybody has questions. But we have Sonia Rothy who 879 00:46:25,679 --> 00:46:29,000 has some links for us on Facebook, so if you 880 00:46:29,039 --> 00:46:32,840 want to join the Companion Care Network group, the host 881 00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,760 of Companion Care Network Group, she's shared that and then 882 00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:40,559 she also has shared the Dulce's Legacy website on Facebook again, 883 00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,800 so please follow up with Bronwyn, follow her on all 884 00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:48,079 the social media platforms Dulci's Legacy and I will see. 885 00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:48,400 Speaker 3: You next time. 886 00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:50,840 Speaker 1: Thank you, guys, have a great afternoon. 887 00:46:51,639 --> 00:46:56,280 Speaker 3: Let's Talk Pets every week on demand only on Petlife 888 00:46:56,400 --> 00:47:13,360 Radio dot com.