Speaker 1: Karen, Yes, is it just me?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: No, it's not. It's not just me never. Okay, it
Speaker 1: might actually be just me. But are we seriously overdue
Speaker 1: for a good old fashioned mind expanding, soul shaking, quantum
Speaker 1: jumping conversation? Yes we are, We are right overdue. Well,
Speaker 1: we are in luck because our guest today she's like
Speaker 1: Abraham Hicks, Oh, doctor Joe Despenza, and your favorite yoga
Speaker 1: teacher all mixed in together.
Speaker 2: Wow, why is in bendy?
Speaker 1: I hadn't thought of it that way, nor did I
Speaker 1: mean it that way, but I guess it makes sense.
Speaker 1: But she also happens to run leadership academies, and she's
Speaker 1: the host of a metaphysical TV show as well.
Speaker 2: Nice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, She's spent over twenty years diving into the deep
Speaker 1: end of spirituality, personal development, and science. And spoiler alert,
Speaker 1: she didn't just find all the answers. She actually rewrote
Speaker 1: some of the questions.
Speaker 2: I love that, I know me too.
Speaker 1: She's got a book endorsed by names like Michael Beckwith
Speaker 1: and Anita Mujani. She talks about banning reality with your thoughts,
Speaker 1: and she's got this way of explaining metaphysics that makes
Speaker 1: you go wait a second, how does that make sense?
Speaker 1: And am I the one creating this reality? To which
Speaker 1: the answer is, of course yes. Buckle up, buttercup, because
Speaker 1: if you've ever wanted to unlock the cheat codes of
Speaker 1: the universe without needing to move to a mountaintop or
Speaker 1: grow a third eye, this one is for you. My
Speaker 1: name is Will and unlike Boulder and Scully, so we've
Speaker 1: embarked in a journey of discovery.
Speaker 2: We've talked to people deeply entrenched in the spiritual and
Speaker 2: metaphysical world.
Speaker 1: We've thrown ourselves into weird and wonderful experiences. I even
Speaker 1: joined a coven of witches.
Speaker 2: And wait, you joined a coven yep, all on.
Speaker 1: The interests of finding something, anything that will prove that
Speaker 1: there's something beyond this physical.
Speaker 2: Three dimensional world we all live in.
Speaker 1: This is the Skeptic Metaphysicians. Hey there on, Will thank
Speaker 1: you for coming back and hitting play on this episode
Speaker 1: of the Skeptic Motivisations. We are always thrilled to have
Speaker 1: you on board with us. Our guest today, well, she's
Speaker 1: a powerhouse of personal transformation and metaphysical magic. Her name
Speaker 1: is Chris Ashley and she is a coach, an author,
Speaker 1: a speaker, a podcast host and a TV host who
Speaker 1: has spent over two decades diving into the deep end
Speaker 1: of spirituality, science, and expanded consciousness. She's the author of
Speaker 1: Change Your Mind, to Change Your Reality. That this book
Speaker 1: was endorsed, like I mentioned, by spiritual heavy hitters like
Speaker 1: Michael Beckworth, Marcy Scheimoff, and Anita Mujani. And she's here
Speaker 1: to help us unlock the quantum code to living our
Speaker 1: high most aligned awakened lives. It's a big shoe to phil,
Speaker 1: but I know that she's going to do it because
Speaker 1: whether she's hosting her own TV show, Beyond Reality, leading retreats,
Speaker 1: or breaking down the law of attraction like a boss,
Speaker 1: Chris is all about empowering people to shift their inner
Speaker 1: world so that their outer world transforms. Chris Ashley, Welcome
Speaker 1: to the show. Great.
Speaker 3: I think that was the best introduction I've ever gotten.
Speaker 3: It's like, you do this professionally. No, that was amazing.
Speaker 3: I was over here like cracking up. You just called
Speaker 3: me and Joe Despenser across with Abraham Hicks.
Speaker 2: I'm like how You're like, yes I am.
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, you got to own it, baby,
Speaker 1: You create your own reality. Right, this is I am
Speaker 1: in awe of all the things that you're doing, and
Speaker 1: I have a had a sneak peek at your show
Speaker 1: and it is wonderful. So the world is in for
Speaker 1: a treat and we couldn't be happier than we are
Speaker 1: to have you on the show. So thank you for
Speaker 1: saying yes.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me. I'm so excited
Speaker 3: to be here. I love the work that you're doing
Speaker 3: in the world. It's amazing and I'm excited to.
Speaker 2: Be a part of it. Wow.
Speaker 1: Thank you. We will dive into that in a little bit,
Speaker 1: but I really want to talk about the really exciting
Speaker 1: stuff like creating your own reality. Right, This is something
Speaker 1: that you are expert level at. The problem is that
Speaker 1: there is so much chitter chatter out there about how
Speaker 1: to do certain things that the message gets lost. So
Speaker 1: let's just dive right in the deep end of the woo.
Speaker 1: How can we create our reality that is aligned with
Speaker 1: our highest selves.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's dive right into the biggest question.
Speaker 1: I love Welcome to Skeptic of Positions, Chrizy.
Speaker 3: I love it. And you know, I'm assuming your audience
Speaker 3: has a basic understanding of the law of attraction. But
Speaker 3: just in case they don't. We live in this intelligent
Speaker 3: universe that can bring us anything that we want or
Speaker 3: want to be, or want to do or want to have,
Speaker 3: and it knows how to do this in a really simple,
Speaker 3: straightforward way. Like as humans, we think we kind of
Speaker 3: complicate things, right, We think we have to go from
Speaker 3: A to B to C. We have to make one
Speaker 3: hundred thousand dollars this year to make two hundred thousand
Speaker 3: dollars next year. But the universe knows how to move
Speaker 3: us from A to Z, right, it knows how to
Speaker 3: move mountains. You just have to have the right formula.
Speaker 3: And like you said, you know, I love books and
Speaker 3: movies like The Secret that brought the Law of attraction
Speaker 3: to the masses. Like you said, I had three people
Speaker 3: from The Secret endorse my book. But what I think
Speaker 3: The Secret and a lot of you know, gurus out
Speaker 3: there are missing is they treat the law of attraction
Speaker 3: or the universe kind of like a genie in a bottle. Right,
Speaker 3: you just tell it what you want, then you kind
Speaker 3: of sit back, kick your feet up, and just like
Speaker 3: wait for it to drop into your lab. But there's
Speaker 3: actually a formula that you need to follow and it's
Speaker 3: not a complicated formula.
Speaker 1: We get a penhang on, hang on, Okay, I am ready.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you speak slowly.
Speaker 1: Right, Formulas and me don't mix, so I need to
Speaker 1: write it down otherwise I'm lost. So go ahead.
Speaker 3: We need like a whiteboard with a greechy marker. Right.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's next on our but to buy list for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Wait, I could see you in the background making formula.
Speaker 3: It's while Karen interviews. Yeah, you know, there's simple things.
Speaker 3: The first thing is it's so obvious, but a lot
Speaker 3: of people miss it. Is you have to know what
Speaker 3: you want, right. You have to get really clear on
Speaker 3: your vision. You have that, you have to have that
Speaker 3: north star. And so many people don't really know what
Speaker 3: they want. They'll say something like, oh, I want to
Speaker 3: have a lot of money, or you know, like I
Speaker 3: want happiness. But it's like money is a tool, right,
Speaker 3: It's a symbol of freedom or pride or adventure or
Speaker 3: peace of mind or whatever you want it to be.
Speaker 3: And it's not really money you want. It's like a
Speaker 3: specific thing, right. So it's about getting really clear on
Speaker 3: your visions. You have that north star, and then it's
Speaker 3: about fueling the emotions of having it already.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: You mentioned doctor Joe Despenser. He talks about that he's
Speaker 3: the master at this, right, because if we can feel
Speaker 3: gratitude for having something that we don't have yet, it
Speaker 3: tricks our mind into believing that it's real, and we
Speaker 3: attract that into our life, and then we're on that
Speaker 3: frequency of gratitude, so we attract so much more things
Speaker 3: into our life that make us grateful. Right, yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 1: So it's kind of like that whole adage that says
Speaker 1: fake it to humique it. You got to fool day
Speaker 1: a dog. No, I am learning French.
Speaker 2: You talk about a dodges while eating pistachios.
Speaker 1: What you make in fun of me? I don't understand.
Speaker 1: That is how you say pistachios. That's how you say
Speaker 1: the words. So anyway, Chris, sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, I love it. I didn't understand
Speaker 3: what word you were saying either, And then I was like, oh, no.
Speaker 2: Fair, I'm helping provide clarity.
Speaker 3: This is.
Speaker 2: Like banging up, right, No fair, we met, we hung,
Speaker 2: we like worked like this.
Speaker 1: Ye can't hold that against me though, that's not fair.
Speaker 2: We're guiding you.
Speaker 1: All right, fine your head person.
Speaker 3: But you know what, You're totally right. I love that phrase.
Speaker 3: Fake it to you make it. It's kind of like
Speaker 3: one of the secrets to unlocking all of this. But
Speaker 3: one of the big things that the Lava tra not sorry,
Speaker 3: the secret missed is you have to take action, right,
Speaker 3: You have to take steps towards your vision because action
Speaker 3: inspires the universe. Like right, you create a little bit
Speaker 3: of momentum, and the universe meets you where you're at
Speaker 3: and like wooshes you forward. And it doesn't have to
Speaker 3: be a big step, Like never underestimate the power of
Speaker 3: a small step. From one small step, you might meet
Speaker 3: people on your path who can help you further. You know,
Speaker 3: tools might appear to you that weren't there before, Opportunities
Speaker 3: might drop into your lap. So it's really about just
Speaker 3: taking that little bit of a step. And then it's
Speaker 3: about surrendering, letting go, trusting right that doors that didn't
Speaker 3: even exist will appear and unlock for you, and that
Speaker 3: pathways will open up. So that's the basic formula, and
Speaker 3: then there's a whole lot more to get into. But
Speaker 3: I'll pause and let you kind of ponder that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you said you were talking about being specific
Speaker 2: with what you want and how money is a tool
Speaker 2: and a lot of people don't know. But what if
Speaker 2: it is that you want to be happy? I mean,
Speaker 2: and you don't know necessarily what's going to make you happy,
Speaker 2: so it's hard to ask for that specific thing. You
Speaker 2: just want to feel that feeling. How do you put
Speaker 2: that out there? Girl?
Speaker 3: I gotta good answer for it. So there's this exercise
Speaker 3: that I love to do that helps people get clear
Speaker 3: on their vision. And this is going to be depending
Speaker 3: on when this airs. This might be a sneak peek,
Speaker 3: but otherwise you should come to this amazing summit. I
Speaker 3: heard about that new reality TV's putting on and you
Speaker 3: might learn more about this. But what I do is
Speaker 3: I have people divide their life into some in different categories,
Speaker 3: things like career, romantic relationships, relationships with everyone else, health, leisure,
Speaker 3: like what you do for your hobbies, tangibles, things you
Speaker 3: can touch and if I forgot one or two, you'll
Speaker 3: find them out at the summit. But I have people
Speaker 3: rate their life on a scale of one to ten
Speaker 3: in each of these areas and be really honest with themselves,
Speaker 3: because then they find that baseline and then they can
Speaker 3: measure where they go from there, right, So one is
Speaker 3: like horrible, miserable, you can't go on ten is like,
Speaker 3: oh my gosh, this is perfect. I'm living the dream,
Speaker 3: like nothing could make this better. And a lot of
Speaker 3: people are really surprised by how they rate these categories.
Speaker 3: And then what I have people do is say, Okay,
Speaker 3: you've got your rating. Now I want you to make
Speaker 3: a list of what you would need to rate each
Speaker 3: of these a ten out of ten, and like put
Speaker 3: your disbelief aside. Don't be like, oh, this can't happen,
Speaker 3: or oh I'm not going to make this happen until
Speaker 3: I like pay off my student loans or whatever it is,
Speaker 3: or put the kids through college. It's like no, just
Speaker 3: like put aside the critical analytical mind and just like
Speaker 3: let it flow from your heart, like what would make
Speaker 3: you rate each of those a ten out of toen
Speaker 3: And it's it's amazing how that helps you clarify your vision.
Speaker 1: I what I love about what you just said is
Speaker 1: you gave actionable steps to move that in the right direction.
Speaker 1: And that is why we are thrilled to have you
Speaker 1: on the show, because we knew that was going to happen.
Speaker 2: They're clear steps. It's not like, oh, how do I
Speaker 2: go about that? I pick the list? Yeah, and what
Speaker 2: would improve it? That's fantastic, thank you.
Speaker 1: So beyond the obvious, what would you say? Is the
Speaker 1: one thing that's holding most people back from creating their
Speaker 1: own reality.
Speaker 3: So there's the stat that I read recently that ninety
Speaker 3: percent of people don't achieve their dreams or their goals.
Speaker 3: And that is for two reasons. One because the first
Speaker 3: sign of adversity or maybe rejection, or maybe a little
Speaker 3: bump or failure, they just get. Number Two, they are
Speaker 3: so fearful to get started in the first place that
Speaker 3: they don't even begin. So I think lack of adaptability
Speaker 3: and resilience and then fear, and it all boils down
Speaker 3: to and I think this ties back to the amazing
Speaker 3: conversation Karen and I had. It all ties back to
Speaker 3: wanting to be loved. Because people are afraid that if
Speaker 3: they change, then the people in their lives might not
Speaker 3: love them right, or that other people will come at
Speaker 3: them with their opinions right, like the Internet trolls or whatever.
Speaker 3: Like they're so afraid of other people's opinions and failure.
Speaker 3: But it's really about like being afraid that you're not
Speaker 3: going to be loved whether you change or stay the same.
Speaker 3: So that's why it's really great to have amazing people
Speaker 3: in your life who support you and to not listen
Speaker 3: to those opinions online.
Speaker 2: Or those opinions people are brave behind their computers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, false bravery, right, but okay, so full disclosure. I
Speaker 1: have been doing all kinds of abundance activations and meditations,
Speaker 1: and I even created a meditation that I'm about to
Speaker 1: release also just to help cement everything. What I've been
Speaker 1: hearing from people is will I've been doing everything that
Speaker 1: you're talking about. I've been doing everything the right way.
Speaker 1: I've been listening to Abraham and Joe Despenza and all
Speaker 1: these teachers and been doing exactly what I'm being told
Speaker 1: to do, and yet nothing is coming. If someone follows
Speaker 1: your formula, how confident are you that things will come?
Speaker 3: So this is that second part where I was like,
Speaker 3: there's a lot more to unpack. That was the basic formula.
Speaker 3: And I'm really really glad that you asked this questions.
Speaker 3: It's a great question. If I were coaching that person,
Speaker 3: the first thing I would say is, let's look at
Speaker 3: our language. Right, this never happens, aren't coming right? Like
Speaker 3: our language is so important. Language we use when we speak,
Speaker 3: when we think, when we write right, they call it
Speaker 3: spelling because you're casting spells out. I don't know who
Speaker 3: made that up, but it's amazing and I steal it
Speaker 3: all the time. But it's so true, right because if
Speaker 3: you're I mean, we all know these people that are like, oh, good,
Speaker 3: things never happen, or like this always happens to me,
Speaker 3: or things always go wrong, and then it's like things
Speaker 3: always go wrong, right, like they always go wrong. So
Speaker 3: getting your language laser tight is the first thing I
Speaker 3: would say to those people. But there are some things
Speaker 3: that can block the law of attraction from happening, and
Speaker 3: a lot of it has to do with repressed emotions. Right,
Speaker 3: if we are holding on to things like anger or
Speaker 3: guilt or shame. Not only do these things stay in
Speaker 3: our bodies and they can cause emotional stress, they can
Speaker 3: cause physical disease, but they also create this filter through
Speaker 3: which we view the world. So if you're you're viewing
Speaker 3: everything through this lens of anger, and that seeps into
Speaker 3: your manifesting, right, it's that unconscious that Joe Despenser likes
Speaker 3: to talk about. Second forgiveness is a really big thing.
Speaker 3: It's something I talk about probably more than anything these days,
Speaker 3: because if you're holding onto grudges, that's poison, right, and
Speaker 3: holding onto poison only hurts you. And it's that same thing.
Speaker 3: It's going to seep through your unconscious and then your
Speaker 3: belief systems. Right especially kids before the age of seven,
Speaker 3: they're in theta brain wave mode. They're just downloading. They're programmable.
Speaker 3: So the opinions of the adults you grew up around
Speaker 3: cultural conditioning, that teacher that said you're a great singer,
Speaker 3: but you're not good at math, you know, whatever, it is.
Speaker 3: All of that becomes your inner voice, your lens through
Speaker 3: which you view the world, and it creates your thoughts,
Speaker 3: which create your emotions, which create your reality. So it's
Speaker 3: about changing your story, changing your perspective, kind of unlearning
Speaker 3: all of these things so that you can be free
Speaker 3: to manifest and not think that there's like some unconscious
Speaker 3: program running which can sabotage you.
Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting that you mentioned grudges because I
Speaker 2: really hadn't thought about that, but thinking about it now,
Speaker 2: you know, you get into a quarrel with somebody and
Speaker 2: then they go off on their merry way and you're
Speaker 2: just really pissed at them, and you hold on to that,
Speaker 2: and it eats at you and it's almost like a
Speaker 2: like you almost wear it like a pride, like ha. Meanwhile,
Speaker 2: they could care less. They're off doing their thing, happy
Speaker 2: as a clam. And yet it's making you have all
Speaker 2: the quarters on all these hormones that get released and
Speaker 2: everything else. And now oh now it's you're telling us.
Speaker 2: It's affecting being able to manifest. So it's man Tho's grudges.
Speaker 2: You just gotta let them go.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I heard someone say that. That's like, hey, I'm
Speaker 1: living rent free in your mind when I'm not even
Speaker 1: thinking about you at all.
Speaker 2: So I like that.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't like it, and I love that, Chris,
Speaker 1: because I even I tell our daughter all the time,
Speaker 1: be careful what you say after the words I am,
Speaker 1: because I am as a powerful activation that whatever you
Speaker 1: say after those words is going to be something that
Speaker 1: you're telling the universe you are, and the universe is
Speaker 1: going to give you what you believe that you are.
Speaker 1: So instead of saying I am and then going on
Speaker 1: to say how tired you are, you can say I
Speaker 1: feel exhaustion. I feel like I need to rest more.
Speaker 1: But I am. That's key because I am is the
Speaker 1: word of God. Right.
Speaker 2: It's like our nephew said, you know, I don't say
Speaker 2: I am sorry, say I apologize.
Speaker 1: Right right right, super important. So I love that because
Speaker 1: we don't talk about that enough. We are so free
Speaker 1: with our words without realizing the damage that we're actually doing.
Speaker 1: That it's a great reminder, So thank you. I need
Speaker 1: to write that down and put it on posting notes everywhere.
Speaker 2: And then just even an extra thing, like as a
Speaker 2: mom to a fourteen year old or even you know
Speaker 2: whatever age, I remember thinking I can't ever you know,
Speaker 2: you look in the mirror and I'm just like, I
Speaker 2: look like crap today. But I can't ever let her
Speaker 2: hear me say that, because in my mind I was
Speaker 2: doing this to protect her and not wanting her to
Speaker 2: start talking to herself like that. But meanwhile I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: I should protect myself too, because that, like you're saying,
Speaker 2: it's it's creating, it's changing who I am.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, yeah, totally. And you know, also for those
Speaker 3: people that are like it's not working, even just like
Speaker 3: using the phraseic up until now, this hasn't worked like
Speaker 3: something like that, just like frees up the future, right,
Speaker 3: like these little tricks.
Speaker 2: That's a little trick. That's a big trick, a big trick.
Speaker 2: It's like a big little trick.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's awesome. Okay, So when NIXT questions a little
Speaker 1: bit on the controversial side, because there's lots of lots
Speaker 1: of question marks around this. But there are those that say,
Speaker 1: we all believe that we create on reality and things
Speaker 1: like that. But then what are your thoughts on trauma
Speaker 1: or illnesses that we are that are terrible for people?
Speaker 1: Do you believe that we truly bring these, we manifest
Speaker 1: these onto ourselves or is there some other mechanism in
Speaker 1: the works here.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think that's a really important question because it's
Speaker 3: the number one pushback that I see people getting when
Speaker 3: they share law of attraction content, and people can get
Speaker 3: really triggered by it, like you said, really defensive. They'll say, oh,
Speaker 3: but this, this and this other thing have gone wrong
Speaker 3: in my life or like my ancestors went through this,
Speaker 3: and it's like everyone has a story, right, every family
Speaker 3: tree has a story too, but we get to choose
Speaker 3: our reality. Well, let me back up and just get
Speaker 3: like a little bit woo woo, And I know you're
Speaker 3: okay with that. Believe I believe personally that we choose
Speaker 3: what we're going to look like, our avatars, who our
Speaker 3: parents are going to be, some big life circumstances that
Speaker 3: we're going to go through, and the way we exit
Speaker 3: before we incarnate, and all of this is to kind
Speaker 3: of ready the soil, plant the seeds to give us
Speaker 3: the opportunity to grow. But free will exist, right like
Speaker 3: we choose if we're going to grow from adversities or not.
Speaker 3: But Earth is a school, So every single tragedy, every
Speaker 3: heartbreak in life contains within it hidden easter egg. And
Speaker 3: once you discover that easter egg, tremendous healing, leveling up
Speaker 3: and growth takes place. Now, bad things quote unquote, bad
Speaker 3: things happen, right like everyone goes through trauma. Everyone has
Speaker 3: a story. And when you go through things, you have
Speaker 3: two choices. You can become bitter, you can become resentful,
Speaker 3: you can become more unconscious, or you can use that
Speaker 3: opportunity to become kinder, more empathetic, practice forgiveness, get healthier,
Speaker 3: get better, level up, And it's always a choice. You
Speaker 3: have a choice. Now there are millions of realities that exist,
Speaker 3: and you get to choose the reality that you want,
Speaker 3: and the more that you focus on the reality you want,
Speaker 3: the more the reality handed to you by default sort
Speaker 3: of fades into the background. So there's there's always things
Speaker 3: going on in the world, Like if you are looking
Speaker 3: for a reason to be angry, like you're going to
Speaker 3: find it.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: There's always is wars, there's always injustices happening. But you
Speaker 3: can choose that that you can choose to like not
Speaker 3: like hide your head in the sand, like this isn't
Speaker 3: spiritual bypassing, but you don't have to get like emotionally
Speaker 3: invested in it, especially if it's something that's like not
Speaker 3: directly affecting you, Like you can choose what you focus on,
Speaker 3: Like I never have the news on in my house
Speaker 3: because that's like my mentor Mary Morris says, CNN stands
Speaker 3: for constantly negative news, And it's like it's so true, right, Like,
Speaker 3: like you don't have to choose to get like the
Speaker 3: universe is like the Facebook algorithm. Whatever you get emotional about,
Speaker 3: it's like, oh they like that, I'm gonna send a
Speaker 3: little more of that their way. So and that's for
Speaker 3: good emotions or bad emotions. So yeah, we really do
Speaker 3: choose our reality, and a lot of it happens before
Speaker 3: we come here, but it's all for our own growth.
Speaker 3: It's all so that we get to evolve and consciousness
Speaker 3: gets to evolve.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a that's a tough one to swallow sometimes though,
Speaker 1: when something like that is happening to you and you're
Speaker 1: not aware of the decisions you made before you came on.
Speaker 1: So it's it's a difficult one, but it is one
Speaker 1: that we've got to come to terms with if we're
Speaker 1: going to align.
Speaker 2: And it makes the lessons more challenging to learn.
Speaker 1: Well, It's one would say that the more challenging the lesson,
Speaker 1: the better you learn it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna say that. I was going to
Speaker 2: be the one that says that. I would say, but
Speaker 2: it is interesting. I still have struggle wrapping my head
Speaker 2: around that too, just because then I think of like
Speaker 2: little children that are born, you know, in these terrible situations,
Speaker 2: and what lesson as a child can you learn?
Speaker 3: Well, the lesson might not be Okay, I have answers,
Speaker 3: And again this is like my opinion based on like
Speaker 3: my research and experience, and like I'm still here learning
Speaker 3: with you right like this. I'm not being like this
Speaker 3: is the end all be all, but like, here's one
Speaker 3: way to think about that. A couple of things. One
Speaker 3: the lesson might not be for the child. The lesson
Speaker 3: might be for the parents, or for the caregivers or
Speaker 3: for the people in that kid's life. But let's get
Speaker 3: a little bit like mind bendi here. So and I
Speaker 3: love this, Like I just have to preface this by saying,
Speaker 3: like I love science because quantum physics, epigenetics, neuroscience. We
Speaker 3: are living in a day and age where science backs
Speaker 3: up with mystics and spirituality have been saying for eons
Speaker 3: and it is so exciting. Absolutely, So imagine that you
Speaker 3: have to make a choice. Maybe it's do I stay
Speaker 3: in this relationship or do I quit this job. We'll
Speaker 3: say do I quit this job, and you decide to
Speaker 3: quit the job. Now a timeline branch is off, and
Speaker 3: there is another version of you that makes the other choice.
Speaker 3: They stayed in the job. I can't remember if you
Speaker 3: left the job. They stayed in the job. So two
Speaker 3: timelines have branched off, and then each time each one
Speaker 3: of you has to make another choice. The timelines branch again,
Speaker 3: and this keeps happening. So there are all these timelines
Speaker 3: running kind of in parallel, starring you as the lead actor. Now,
Speaker 3: some of these timelines are very similar to the one
Speaker 3: you're living. Others are vastly different, as you can imagine, right,
Speaker 3: So somewhere out there there is a version of you
Speaker 3: that has everything you want, everything Will has on his
Speaker 3: manifest journal that he was talking about, like someone has that, right,
Speaker 3: and and quantum physics even says that there are an
Speaker 3: infinite number of possibilities just waiting to be chosen, right,
Speaker 3: waiting to be chosen into existence. But everything you can
Speaker 3: imagine and everything you can't exists out there in this
Speaker 3: kind of realm, this cloud of possibilities. Now, Dolores Cannon,
Speaker 3: who is a past life aggression hypnotist, and many others
Speaker 3: have talked about how we are just a piece of
Speaker 3: a soul, like our true self, our higher self that
Speaker 3: sits on the other side of the veil, has so
Speaker 3: much energy it couldn't possibly come into a human body.
Speaker 3: So just a tiny piece of you incarnates and the
Speaker 3: rest yous on the other side. But imagine that there
Speaker 3: are tiny pieces of you incarnated in many many different lives,
Speaker 3: and time exists differently, right, like past lives. Past lives
Speaker 3: are parallel lives because there is no time on the
Speaker 3: other side. So we have all these these timelines branching off.
Speaker 3: There's all of these versions of you. Now, why would
Speaker 3: this happen. It's because we are here to have experiences.
Speaker 3: We bring those experiences from all these lifetimes back into
Speaker 3: our higher self. So there's probably a timeline where you
Speaker 3: died as an infant, there's probably a timeline where you
Speaker 3: live to be one hundred years old, and every other
Speaker 3: age in between for the purpose of having that experience.
Speaker 3: Because then you get to bring all of these cumulative
Speaker 3: timelines back together, and it's like what did we learn?
Speaker 3: And then it's like what are you going to bring
Speaker 3: back from your life? Right? So yeah, it's heartbreaking as
Speaker 3: a mother, Like it's like the most heartbreaking thought in
Speaker 3: the world, you know, I have like a fourteen month old.
Speaker 3: But all of this is for is for your good right,
Speaker 3: for your learning, for your leveling up, for your gross right.
Speaker 1: And there's a school of thought that says that when
Speaker 1: you were manifesting, when you're using the law of attraction,
Speaker 1: what you're actually doing is your timeline jumping right, you're
Speaker 1: jumping to a timeline that already has what it is
Speaker 1: that you're trying to bring to you. So that's cool.
Speaker 2: That's very cool.
Speaker 3: Well, just to like keep going on this for like
Speaker 3: one more second with back to like the original question
Speaker 3: of you know, how do we deal with the fact
Speaker 3: that we create our own reality? Like if you didn't
Speaker 3: research looking to support your beliefs, like you're going to
Speaker 3: find something to back it up, right, like, no matter
Speaker 3: what it is, And there are always different realities going on,
Speaker 3: Like you can live next door to someone and seem
Speaker 3: to live in a very different reality than them, you know,
Speaker 3: but like you know, like each one like kind of
Speaker 3: adamantly like saying that their way is right and everyone
Speaker 3: else's way is wrong. But there's always going to be
Speaker 3: information and sources and facts out there that are going
Speaker 3: to back up what you say. But you get to
Speaker 3: make a choice, right, This is all about choice, and
Speaker 3: there are no wrong choices either. Like that's that's my
Speaker 3: definition of empathy is like understanding that someone else's path
Speaker 3: and choices are equally as valid as yours.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so here's another mind trippy thing that I thought
Speaker 1: about a couple of months ago, and I think I
Speaker 1: talked to you about it. But there is very clearly
Speaker 1: a difference of opinion, especially in this country right now
Speaker 1: when it comes with politics. There is not to get
Speaker 1: into a political conversation because we do not want to
Speaker 1: go there. But there is one side seeing something one
Speaker 1: particular way, the other side seeing it the complete opposite.
Speaker 1: I mean, it couldn't be more opposite. And both sides
Speaker 1: claim to have the moral high ground because they know
Speaker 1: this is actually proven, this is true, this is so
Speaker 1: what if God forbid? What if we're all living in
Speaker 1: our own individual reality where our facts align exactly as
Speaker 1: we believe or we see, and yet we are interacting
Speaker 1: with others who are living in their own reality but
Speaker 1: are juxtaposed into ours. So what they're saying is correct
Speaker 1: in their reality. This direction is the right one to
Speaker 1: go down, because it is it exists in its reality.
Speaker 1: But yet we are living in a different reality together.
Speaker 1: But both facts are correct, you know, the whole thing,
Speaker 1: but alternative facts. What if that was real? And that's
Speaker 1: that's the craziest thing for me to wrap my head around.
Speaker 1: What if my green is your yellow?
Speaker 2: And I've always wondered that you can't.
Speaker 1: You can't know for sure, right, what I see is
Speaker 1: green might be something totally different for you, and we
Speaker 1: have no way of verifying it because we live in
Speaker 1: different realities. Right.
Speaker 3: I love that question that you're posing, and then to
Speaker 3: just take it a step further, like we're all connected,
Speaker 3: Like we're all parts of the same, We're all reflections
Speaker 3: of each other. Like I don't know if you've ever
Speaker 3: read that book The Egg. Have you heard that?
Speaker 1: I have? I have for that. It's a short story, right, yeah, and.
Speaker 3: There's like a YouTube version of it, And correct me
Speaker 3: if I'm getting it wrong. But the whole idea is this,
Speaker 3: this guy dies and and God basically is like it
Speaker 3: turns out like every single person on Earth is just
Speaker 3: him and he's just been doing this like over and over,
Speaker 3: and the whole universe was created for him, and he's
Speaker 3: the only single soul in the universe and God's just
Speaker 3: like trying to perfect him, and like that just blows
Speaker 3: my mind to you. But like I think there's right.
Speaker 3: I know, it's like gives me goose bumps. Yeah, but
Speaker 3: I think there's like some te to that because we
Speaker 3: all come from the same thing. We're all like parts
Speaker 3: of source. We're just kind of fractals of it.
Speaker 1: Yep, just a little aside that has nothing to do
Speaker 1: with anything we're talking about, but it blew my mind
Speaker 1: when I read the Egg. It is actually written by
Speaker 1: Andy Weer, who wrote The Martian.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's all alone and yeah, so it is.
Speaker 1: So just a little aside because it was trippy for
Speaker 1: me because I read I read the short story because
Speaker 1: I'm a fan of Anywhere's writings, so it just didn't
Speaker 1: connect until I was like, this is great. I mean
Speaker 1: it's totally different anything he's written. So anyway, I digress. Yes,
Speaker 1: such an interesting thought process.
Speaker 2: It really is. And then is it the same person
Speaker 2: and every other timeline? Like it's it's like an infinite question.
Speaker 2: That's just like with all the diverging and the decisions,
Speaker 2: and you know.
Speaker 1: I'm actually surprised that you're taking that so well when
Speaker 1: how many times have I said to you that you
Speaker 1: are another me and you are adamantly opposed to that.
Speaker 2: I you know, I I'm not saying what my belief
Speaker 2: is right.
Speaker 1: Now, Okay, alright, alright, alright, fair enough.
Speaker 2: It's interesting, you know, and I love thinking about it
Speaker 2: and the possibilities and it does. It can hurt your
Speaker 2: brain after a while, but it's just it's an incredible thought.
Speaker 3: It's fun to ponder.
Speaker 1: No, for sure, any last minute things we need to
Speaker 1: talk about in terms of manifestation, law of attraction. I
Speaker 1: do want to have other topics you want to touch on, but.
Speaker 2: You did let me ask that question.
Speaker 1: No, please please do yes.
Speaker 2: So you are incredible at this and you help people
Speaker 2: and with this formula and everything. Can you give us
Speaker 2: an example of someone that you worked with that just
Speaker 2: had a really tremendous outcome from learning.
Speaker 1: Really, we need to take a quick pause, but we'll
Speaker 1: be right back right after these messages and now back
Speaker 1: to the skeptic metaphysicians. Hey there, Before we continue with
Speaker 1: the interview, we.
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Speaker 2: Can you give us an example of someone that you
Speaker 2: worked with that just had a really tremendous outcome from
Speaker 2: learning really?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, totally. I write about one in my book.
Speaker 3: Her name is Abby, and it's actually perfect. We were
Speaker 3: talking about the language thing that was her thing. So
Speaker 3: she knew about the law of attraction before she came
Speaker 3: to me, and she had actually used it pretty successfully.
Speaker 3: Like she like on paper, had like everything right in
Speaker 3: every category except one, Like she used a law of
Speaker 3: attraction to get a raise. She had a really great
Speaker 3: social life. She was like really into CrossFit, so she was,
Speaker 3: she was attractive, she was in her late thirties, she
Speaker 3: was she was doing great like everything else in her life.
Speaker 3: And like I said, she'd use the law attraction to
Speaker 3: get a raised, Like she had read all the books,
Speaker 3: she'd watched the YouTube videos, but like she was really
Speaker 3: stuck in romantic relationships, and she's like, man, all she
Speaker 3: wanted was a family, like more than anything, and she
Speaker 3: had kind of like dated a lot of duds along
Speaker 3: the way, like people like she would think she was
Speaker 3: getting really close and then like meeting someone that just
Speaker 3: seems so great, like they would kind of love bomb
Speaker 3: her and her flowers, and then they'd kind of ghost,
Speaker 3: and like this pattern kept happening over and over again,
Speaker 3: where she'd be like, this is the one, and then
Speaker 3: they weren't the one. And she came to me and
Speaker 3: she was like this always happens. And we've realized it
Speaker 3: was like this language that she was using, right, And
Speaker 3: it's really hard to hear that the common denominator in
Speaker 3: a string of failed relationships is you right. That's that's
Speaker 3: something that like you can't really hear from most people,
Speaker 3: Like it helps to go talk to a coach, right,
Speaker 3: because it's hard if like a friend is going to
Speaker 3: say that. And I wasn't that blunt with her, but
Speaker 3: you know, we kind of figured out that it was
Speaker 3: a lot of like the language she was using and
Speaker 3: a lot of this programming and a lot of these
Speaker 3: she got so comfortable with the fact that she was
Speaker 3: the girl with the failed relationships that it almost became
Speaker 3: her identity, and we just did some work to redo that,
Speaker 3: and she ended up meeting this amazing guy like two
Speaker 3: months later and they have a baby now. And this
Speaker 3: was a couple of years ago, but like, she's one
Speaker 3: of my favorite stories because she came in like being
Speaker 3: so close, you know what I mean, and it was
Speaker 3: just like, let's.
Speaker 1: Just like again, that's a perfect example of how she
Speaker 1: was blocking her own success this by those limiting beliefs.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's a perfect an ample.
Speaker 2: And that's one of the thing I love about you know,
Speaker 2: this formula that you've given because a lot of people
Speaker 2: don't think about that that part like that I've I
Speaker 2: haven't heard that before. I've heard you have to want
Speaker 2: something or not wanting you have to you know, know
Speaker 2: what you want and then imagine or feel like you
Speaker 2: already have it, But I hadn't heard about like the
Speaker 2: self talk. So I think that is going to be
Speaker 2: really helpful to people listening to.
Speaker 1: Me and to me, to all of us.
Speaker 3: Yes, it's like having to constantly like notice what you're noticing,
Speaker 3: like watching your thoughts too, write like you kind of
Speaker 3: have to like develop that habit and then once you
Speaker 3: develop it, you you're so quick to pick it up.
Speaker 3: But it's like it's a muscle, right, you have to
Speaker 3: like train yourself to do it, all right.
Speaker 1: Anything else from that, okay, because now suddenly more are
Speaker 1: popping up in my head. But I do want to
Speaker 1: talk about Beyond Reality because it's a brand new TV show.
Speaker 1: It's just started airing on New Reality TV, and we
Speaker 1: couldn't be more thrilled to have you as part of
Speaker 1: the lineup because just looking at your trailer for the show.
Speaker 3: We often believe that the world we see, touch and
Speaker 3: hear is all there is, but beneath the surface, an
Speaker 3: entire unseen world pulses with energy and mystery. Quantum physics
Speaker 3: offers us glimpses into this hidden realm. The law of
Speaker 3: attraction hints at unseen forces shaping our lives, and ancient
Speaker 3: writings tell stories of visitors from other worlds, near death experiences,
Speaker 3: energy healers, and those who remember their past lives all
Speaker 3: point to something greater that defies our understanding. What if
Speaker 3: everything you believed with such certain was merely a facade.
Speaker 3: For over two decades, I've sought to uncover hidden knowledge
Speaker 3: join me as we explore the grand mysteries of life,
Speaker 3: where the impossible becomes possible and the unseen becomes reality.
Speaker 2: I was just gonna say, I love the trailer.
Speaker 1: It was such a great it's the show open right
Speaker 1: that you use on every episode, and it is such
Speaker 1: a way to like gut punch you into what you're
Speaker 1: about to experience. Right. It's such as a great, great
Speaker 1: piece of production. So for those who haven't had a
Speaker 1: chance to watch the show like we have, because we
Speaker 1: have insight information, tell us what is the show about?
Speaker 1: Why should someone be really excited about watching it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I've been a truth seeker since two thousand
Speaker 3: and two when I had my spiritual awakening, and beyond
Speaker 3: reality lets me explore all of the grand mysteries of
Speaker 3: life that I love geeking out about and going down
Speaker 3: rabbit holes about. And I get to bring in these
Speaker 3: amazing people who are living these things every day and
Speaker 3: talk to them about it. So it's everything from UFOs
Speaker 3: and aliens to quantum physics and stimulation theory, to energy
Speaker 3: healing and psychic abilities, remote viewing, you name it, like
Speaker 3: any of those amazing mysteries, and it is so fun
Speaker 3: to just hear all of these people talk about it
Speaker 3: and their experiences and learn so much along the way.
Speaker 3: And I've been having so much fun having these conversations.
Speaker 3: Like right after this, I'm jumping on with someone who
Speaker 3: has spent like decades researching past lives to the point
Speaker 3: where he's actually gone and like, sorry, kids who remember
Speaker 3: past lives to the point where he's researched the past
Speaker 3: lives that they remember and has like found some of
Speaker 3: the people that they used to be and like I
Speaker 3: have goosebum saying that, and I'm so excited to talk
Speaker 3: to him. So it's just been really fun. I had
Speaker 3: someone on who like talks to crystals, another one who's
Speaker 3: an animal communicator, so just really really cool, just cool stuff.
Speaker 1: You also have a podcast right that you host. How
Speaker 1: is that different from what you do on the podcast?
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally. So the podcast is called Change Your Mind
Speaker 3: with Chris Ashley, and it focuses on personal development, spirituality,
Speaker 3: and science. It's it's more on the personal development side,
Speaker 3: So I don't know what a lot of what I
Speaker 3: talk So my book is like kind of half and
Speaker 3: half my book. I talk a lot about forgiveness and
Speaker 3: what to do when challenges come up and how to
Speaker 3: be adaptable and find resilience, and like all of that
Speaker 3: lives on the podcast or the more like woo woo
Speaker 3: side of the metaphysical and like the deep spiritual New Age.
Speaker 3: I don't even know what you word you describe, but
Speaker 3: I guess metaphysical that lives on the TV s and
Speaker 3: it works really well. The podcast is part of the
Speaker 3: Los Angeles Tribune podcast Network, which sounds weird that a
Speaker 3: newspaper owns a podcast network, but we put on massive
Speaker 3: events in the personal development realm every month and it's
Speaker 3: spearheaded by a woman who is Tony Robbin's EVP of
Speaker 3: production for eighteen years, so like really big names. So
Speaker 3: I've been on stage with like Les Brown and doctor
Speaker 3: Joe Vitally and Sharon Lecter and Jim Quick all these people.
Speaker 3: But because of that, it's like really good that that
Speaker 3: stays in more personal development realm. And I'm actually so
Speaker 3: glad that this opportunity came up to work with you guys,
Speaker 3: because I love the side of like truth seeking and
Speaker 3: just talking to fascinating people and kind of exploring all
Speaker 3: these mysteries. So it's nice that I get to like
Speaker 3: feed that side of my soul too.
Speaker 1: Well, it's nice to have you, how long?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is, And I feel the same way when
Speaker 2: you come to this kind of side, the metaphysical side,
Speaker 2: there's just so much wonder in the world that just
Speaker 2: opens up. So you know, yes, we have all the
Speaker 2: regular stuff in the science and that, but this is
Speaker 2: just such like the wo that it's like it's just
Speaker 2: fascinating and it's just so much fun to dive into
Speaker 2: and learn all these different modalities and all these different experiences.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 3: Like I said, I had a spiritual awakening in two
Speaker 3: thousand and two, and like I didn't talk about this
Speaker 3: stuff for like almost like two decades, Like it just
Speaker 3: didn't feel like, I don't know, like the world was ready.
Speaker 3: And now it's like the world is like hungry for it, right,
Speaker 3: Like it's like all over social media and like I
Speaker 3: don't know, like when I was reading Zacharia Sitchen in
Speaker 3: two thousand and two, like no one was talking about
Speaker 3: ancient aliens and now there's like a TV show that's
Speaker 3: been on for like fifteen seasons or something, and it's
Speaker 3: just like it feels like the world is waking up. Right.
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, I'm glad you mentioned that you're spiritual awakening.
Speaker 2: Can you share with us a little bit of what
Speaker 2: that was?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally.
Speaker 3: Do you mind if I get like a little personal No?
Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely, as comfortable as you can be.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So this is usually how I start my podcast interviews.
Speaker 3: But we dove in and it was it was cool.
Speaker 3: I love, but you started it different because it got
Speaker 3: me in my toes a little bit. I love it.
Speaker 3: Like probably most people who are coaches or healers are
Speaker 3: trying to help other people. Starting with my own trauma,
Speaker 3: I was sexually abused by a family member for four years,
Speaker 3: starting at twelve years old. And I had this really big,
Speaker 3: tight knit, extended Italian family. We were like the Italian
Speaker 3: version of my big fat Greek wedding if you've ever
Speaker 3: seen that movie, of course, Yeah, yeah, Like everyone's into
Speaker 3: each other's business. And when they found out what happened,
Speaker 3: most of them disowned me. And I was getting letters
Speaker 3: and voicemails from people who had been like second mothers
Speaker 3: to me telling me they didn't love me anymore and
Speaker 3: I wasn't their family anymore. And as you can imagine,
Speaker 3: this left me with a lot of what I call
Speaker 3: low vibration. Emotions like anger and guilt and shame that
Speaker 3: as a young adolescent, I didn't know how to cope with,
Speaker 3: like most adults don't know how to cope with those
Speaker 3: types of emotions, and it put me in a really
Speaker 3: dark place. I was getting in trouble in school, self harming,
Speaker 3: I was doing drugs. I was just like angry at
Speaker 3: the world. And then someone handed me a book that
Speaker 3: changed my way of thinking and being and moving through life.
Speaker 3: And it made me realize that there were other ways
Speaker 3: to view the universe and reality. And I remember flipping
Speaker 3: through the pages and having it feel like truth for
Speaker 3: the first time. And it was like I was a
Speaker 3: sleeper agent right, like something inside of me just woke up.
Speaker 3: And when I finished that book, I started reaching for
Speaker 3: more and I just became insatiable, and I was devouring
Speaker 3: every metaphysical, spiritual, New Age personal development book I can
Speaker 3: get my hands on, and I started going to retreats
Speaker 3: and workshops and I found teachers to study under and
Speaker 3: my life did this total one eighty. But the other
Speaker 3: side of the story is that as I was changing
Speaker 3: my mind and starting to get better, my mother started
Speaker 3: to get worse because her family had been ripped down
Speaker 3: the scenes, and she didn't have these teachers and books
Speaker 3: and healing modalities. I was doing tons of healing modalities.
Speaker 3: I thought I was ung covering like the secrets of
Speaker 3: the universe. But I was like doing the hard inner work.
Speaker 3: I just didn't realize it. So my mom it started
Speaker 3: to manifest as physical illness for her. She got cancer,
Speaker 3: and she got a bunch of like really weird like
Speaker 3: ailments that her doctors couldn't even describe. So they did
Speaker 3: what they do. They gave her pills, and then they
Speaker 3: gave her pills for the side effects of those pills.
Speaker 3: And they were kind of throwing everything at the wall
Speaker 3: hoping something would stick. And at the height of it,
Speaker 3: she was on a fentanyl patch. She was on Delauded,
Speaker 3: which is a pretty intense narcotic. She was on ten
Speaker 3: other pills. She slept for all but a few hours
Speaker 3: of daylight. She would not off at the dinner table,
Speaker 3: she would forget conversations we had the day before. She fell,
Speaker 3: all the time, always covered in bruises. And that lasted
Speaker 3: almost fifteen years. And I had this compounded guilt that
Speaker 3: I had destroyed my family and broken my mother. But
Speaker 3: I believe everything happens for a reason, as you know.
Speaker 3: And I realized that my mother is my biggest teacher,
Speaker 3: because for every step she took deeper into depression and
Speaker 3: illness and victimization. I climbed in the other direction out
Speaker 3: of that dark tunnel because I was seeing firsthand, right
Speaker 3: in front of me, what happens to a human body
Speaker 3: and spirit when they make that choice, because I do
Speaker 3: think healing is a choice. And then I saw what
Speaker 3: was happening to my life is I was changing my mind.
Speaker 3: And I made a promise to myself that I would
Speaker 3: do everything I could to heal physically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually.
Speaker 3: And it's a promise I've kept. And like I said,
Speaker 3: like I'm still if you're here, you're still you still
Speaker 3: got work to do. Like I'm still reading a book
Speaker 3: a week. I'm a total book nerd. Like I still
Speaker 3: take all the courses I can, go to all the
Speaker 3: workshops I can, Like I'm turning forty this year, and
Speaker 3: like all I want is to go to a Joe
Speaker 3: Despensea workshop. Actually, And like my husband's like really okay.
Speaker 3: My in laws were like, let's go to Hawaii. I
Speaker 3: was like I want to do this, so so yeah,
Speaker 3: and then like after a couple decades, I decided to
Speaker 3: give back to the life coach training with Mary Morrisey
Speaker 3: wrote the book, and yeah, it's kind of history.
Speaker 1: Wow, that is quite this, Chris. I'm so sorry you
Speaker 1: had to go through that, but I'm grateful that you
Speaker 1: came out on the other side having learned from it
Speaker 1: and teaching others from your experience. So thank you for
Speaker 1: your services. It sounds terrible, hey, but this is truly
Speaker 1: what you've done.
Speaker 3: You know, I appreciate that, but like, I'm not sorry,
Speaker 3: Like I've forgiven every one of those people, and it's
Speaker 3: it's like what I needed to go through to awaken,
Speaker 3: and it was part of my path and it's made
Speaker 3: me the person I am. And it's all okay, you know,
Speaker 3: Like it's it's like like you said, now I get
Speaker 3: to like teach people forgiveness and I get to teach
Speaker 3: all these amazing things. So I'm grateful for the journey.
Speaker 2: Like cracking open an oyster, it's kind of rough and
Speaker 2: ugly on the outside, but you get to the inside,
Speaker 2: there's a beautiful pearl.
Speaker 1: I love that. Yeah, And the strength of what you
Speaker 1: said is the fact that you chose to overcome as
Speaker 1: opposed to it would have been very easy to fall
Speaker 1: into victim, right, woe is me. But instead you chose
Speaker 1: to overcome all that and become a better person and
Speaker 1: now are helping others to overcome. And for that alone, yes,
Speaker 1: I guess it was all worth it. Although ouch just
Speaker 1: I mean, it hurts my heart to even say it.
Speaker 2: But you're just wonderful.
Speaker 1: You are so inquiring minds need to know. What was
Speaker 1: that first book?
Speaker 3: Oh? So it was called The Ancient Secret of the
Speaker 3: Flower of Life by Drumvale Malkisadak. Have you heard of it?
Speaker 1: I have not. The hang on I'm writing down right now.
Speaker 3: I want to go like run and get it off
Speaker 3: my bookshelf. But it's literally right there. So it's in
Speaker 3: two books. Book one is like chapter one through nine
Speaker 3: or something. Book two is chapter like ten through thirteen.
Speaker 3: So it's like two physical books one book. And what
Speaker 3: that book did really well is it gave me a
Speaker 3: lot of breadcrumbs to follow. From that book. I learned
Speaker 3: about Zacharaistitchen and like ancient astronaut theory, I learned about
Speaker 3: Greg Braden and the God code. I learned about the
Speaker 3: law of attraction. Like years before the Secret came out,
Speaker 3: I learned all about sacred geometry. I learned about the
Speaker 3: emerald tablets of both. I learned about like aliens. Like
Speaker 3: I was just on an interview right before this, and
Speaker 3: which is why I'm losing my voice and the guy
Speaker 3: was like, wow, that's like a deep book to go
Speaker 3: like most people do. Like mel Robbins is like the
Speaker 3: first book, he's chicken Soup.
Speaker 4: For the Soul or something, right, yeah, but it's like
Speaker 4: it's so fascinating, And now he has his whole Flower
Speaker 4: of Life workshop is on Gaya now and he's he's
Speaker 4: like pretty well known now I don't he has like
Speaker 4: a cult following and there's not that many people actually
Speaker 4: that I've that I found like know him, but like
Speaker 4: his stuff is out there enough, but you should read
Speaker 4: his butt.
Speaker 1: So tell me the naming the book again.
Speaker 3: Write down the Ancient Secret of the Flower of Life
Speaker 3: Volume one and volume two.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's find that book. How did you happen on
Speaker 2: to that?
Speaker 1: So?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, And it talks all about like Atlantis and
Speaker 3: le Maria and uh oh and so I love like
Speaker 3: ancient Egypt and it talks all about like ancient Egyptian
Speaker 3: mystery schools. I get so excited. So I found it.
Speaker 3: So I was seventeen and I was dating this guy
Speaker 3: who was like super mysterious, and he had this like
Speaker 3: curtain in his room like against a wall, and I
Speaker 3: like wasn't allowed to know what was on the other side.
Speaker 3: And all he would tell me was like there was
Speaker 3: an altar, and I like didn't know what it was,
Speaker 3: and I kept I'm like inquisitive, so I like kept asking,
Speaker 3: kept asking, and like I want to I want to
Speaker 3: talk to you about all this stuff when I learn
Speaker 3: about it, and he was finally he was like, just
Speaker 3: go read this book, The Ancient Secret the Flowerfly. And
Speaker 3: I did, and like I said, it was like I
Speaker 3: just took off with it. And I have bought more
Speaker 3: copies of this book than any other book. Like I've
Speaker 3: probably bought like fifty copies of this book and like
Speaker 3: gifted it to people because I just want to like
Speaker 3: spread it to people, like I will buy you a
Speaker 3: copy and send it to you, like give me you're
Speaker 3: outres I'll do it. But no, it's because I like
Speaker 3: that's how passionate I am. I get so excited. But
Speaker 3: I've given it to so many people and only one
Speaker 3: person is taken off with it, and everyone else is like,
Speaker 3: this is too much for me? Like, right, Cherry, if
Speaker 3: you read it, you'll have to let me know.
Speaker 1: I will because you know I'm going to read it.
Speaker 1: And it's interesting that that was your jump off point
Speaker 1: me if it's too much for most people, whoa right
Speaker 1: that that was a testament to what you were going
Speaker 1: through for.
Speaker 2: It to resonate, you are grasping for something.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, So I want to ask you a couple
Speaker 1: of questions that are a little bit of curveball because
Speaker 1: I think it'll add It'll give us a little bit
Speaker 1: of insight into who Chris Ashley is outside from everything
Speaker 1: we just talked about. Right, so get ready. This is
Speaker 1: where the buckle up buttercup part comes in. Okay, there
Speaker 1: we go. If your higher self had a business card,
Speaker 1: what would the job title be?
Speaker 2: Wait?
Speaker 3: Sorry, how to what?
Speaker 1: If your higher self had a business card? What would it?
Speaker 1: Job title?
Speaker 3: B truth seeker? That was my MySpace back in the day,
Speaker 3: truth Seeker eleven eleven. I think it still exists somewhere space.
Speaker 3: I'm saying forty. I only look like I'm like twenty,
Speaker 3: but I wanted to name my show that Truth Seeker,
Speaker 3: but it was already a TV show that was like
Speaker 3: my first like, oh, that's what I have to name it.
Speaker 3: But yeah, that's probably that's.
Speaker 1: Probably all right. Now, what's the most wu thing that
Speaker 1: you believe that you've never set out loud on a podcast?
Speaker 3: Never set out loud on a podcast. I had a
Speaker 3: past life regression hypnosis, like a QHHT session if you
Speaker 3: know what that is you do, and it's like Dollor's
Speaker 3: Cannons thing, and I found out that my dog used
Speaker 3: to be my son and in a past life and
Speaker 3: my son he was like sent to like fight in
Speaker 3: this army. And I remember like I was going to
Speaker 3: this like king in this hypnosis session and like dropped
Speaker 3: to my knees and like begging him not to take
Speaker 3: my son, and they like threw me out of the thing,
Speaker 3: and then like it flashed forward to the next scene
Speaker 3: where they like dumped his body on my doorstep. I
Speaker 3: was bawling in the session, like balling, like real emotions,
Speaker 3: and I made a vow that I would never have
Speaker 3: kids again. And I've struggled with eight years of infertility
Speaker 3: in this lifetime and I think it's because.
Speaker 1: Of that interesting really interesting it brings.
Speaker 2: Up We'll make a vow yeah, no, absolutely.
Speaker 1: Yeah with my past life regression where I was a
Speaker 1: young girl and my teacher was thrown into the fire
Speaker 1: and I felt the flames all kind of stuff. So
Speaker 1: it's it's it's powerful stuff that those regression. Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 1: last question, alive or dead? Who do you want to
Speaker 1: co host a cosmic talk show with?
Speaker 2: Wow?
Speaker 3: Cosmic talk I mean, Dolores Canon would be really fun.
Speaker 3: John Bolomelkizadak, who wrote The Ancient Secret would be really fun.
Speaker 1: That's who I thought you were going to answer from
Speaker 1: from the beginning. After cool, all right, that that gives
Speaker 1: us a really cool idea or image of who you are.
Speaker 1: So I appreciate you your willingness to I know I
Speaker 1: put you on the spot, and I apologize for that,
Speaker 1: but it just brings like cool answers out so things
Speaker 1: you would never have thought about. So thank you for
Speaker 1: indulging me on it.
Speaker 3: That's super fun.
Speaker 1: We're going to add a link to this Ancient Secrets
Speaker 1: of the Flower of Life on our show notes, but
Speaker 1: I definitely want to make sure we call out your
Speaker 1: your book one more time, Change.
Speaker 3: Your Mind to Change your Reality, and it's available anywhere
Speaker 3: you get your books in ebook, audiobook, paperback.
Speaker 1: Okay, we're going to add a link to that as well.
Speaker 1: And then of course your podcast.
Speaker 3: Is change your Mind as sashly and that's everywhere you
Speaker 3: listen to your podcasts Okay.
Speaker 1: And then your TV show is.
Speaker 3: Be on Reality and you will find that on New
Speaker 3: Reality TV.
Speaker 2: Love it.
Speaker 1: This is a mic drop moment right there, Chris.
Speaker 2: And then if someone wants to have a session with you,
Speaker 2: how do they reach you?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Chris Ashley dot net is my website or Change
Speaker 3: your Mind with Chris is my handle everywhere, TikTok, Instagram, YouTube,
Speaker 3: Chris is spelled with a K.
Speaker 1: Perfect all right. Well, we're going to do the best
Speaker 1: we can to add as many of those links as
Speaker 1: we possibly can into our show notes so that it's
Speaker 1: easy for people to reach out to you, to connect
Speaker 1: with you, to connect with your work. We are thrilled
Speaker 1: to have you as part of New Reality TV. So
Speaker 1: thank you for being part of this crazy thing we're doing.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me. I'm incredibly excited
Speaker 3: to be a part of this crazy thing.
Speaker 1: Awesome, all right, Chris, thanks so much for coming on
Speaker 1: the show.