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Speaker 1: the privilege of talking to Nick today. Nick is an
Speaker 1: outdoorsman from up in Alamackee County in Iowa, northeastern Iowa,
Speaker 1: and some of you might be familiar about that county.
Speaker 1: In recent episodes it got brought up, and it's also
Speaker 1: the area where a Yellow River State Forest is a
Speaker 1: lot of you might be familiar of that. But Nick,
Speaker 1: thank you for coming on the show. How's it going tonight?
Speaker 2: Oh, not too bad. It's a windy, nasty day up here,
Speaker 2: but it's been pretty good so far.
Speaker 1: Oh man, it's roughly we're in west of West of
Speaker 1: Moines and it's forty mile per hour winds down here.
Speaker 1: It's wild.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been howling all day or two.
Speaker 1: Feels like the roof is going to get blown off,
Speaker 1: so hopefully that doesn't happen. But yeah, that's part of
Speaker 1: living in Iowa. Right, Yeah, that's for sure exactly. You
Speaker 1: had reached out to me through email, I think quite
Speaker 1: a while ago, and then you'd reached out again after
Speaker 1: a certain episode you heard recently. Correct.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, here I saw. I listened to the Amakithni,
Speaker 2: Iowa episode recently, and I yeah, pretty much. I had
Speaker 2: to send a set up an interview because it's because
Speaker 2: I've had any experience at one of the places that
Speaker 2: he mentioned, not really very iffy one, but and I
Speaker 2: had one when I was younger that was really blatant
Speaker 2: and I've shared it before, but I think people should
Speaker 2: hear it because it's pretty wild.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, Nick, I'm going to go ahead and feel
Speaker 1: free to take us back to where you were when
Speaker 1: that occurred and what we need to know, and you
Speaker 1: can take us right into it.
Speaker 2: Okay, So I live in Lansing, Iowa. It's right down
Speaker 2: the Mississippi River, about eleven miles south of the Minnesota border,
Speaker 2: about ten ten or twelve miles from Yellow River State Forest.
Speaker 2: And my encounter happened. It was I was ninth ninth grader,
Speaker 2: a freshman in high school, and I'm thirty seven now,
Speaker 2: so it's over twenty years ago now. But so it
Speaker 2: was around September first, somewhere in there, right around the
Speaker 2: opening of a small game seasons girl season, and my
Speaker 2: friend or two of my friends and myself decided to
Speaker 2: go squirrel hunting and we went to this there's a
Speaker 2: shooting range that's about three or four miles south Lancing,
Speaker 2: and so we were we went out and parked at
Speaker 2: the spot, and it's the driveway that we parked had
Speaker 2: is right next to the shooting range. And we walked
Speaker 2: out the valley south about a few hundred yards and
Speaker 2: then started walking up the hill. And we got halfway
Speaker 2: up the hill or something like that, we're in this
Speaker 2: little clearing and there's a like a ravine right next
Speaker 2: to us, like a waterway basically, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: something came crashing down the hill towards us, and it
Speaker 2: stopped at the edge of the tree line, and it
Speaker 2: then proceeded to basically beat on its chest and screeched
Speaker 2: like a chimpanzee, and it just it absolutely scared every
Speaker 2: living crap out of us. And I remember thinking, what
Speaker 2: is that? And so I was like, follow me, And
Speaker 2: we ran down into this ditch and kind of buy
Speaker 2: a tree and stood back to back with our squirrel
Speaker 2: rifles and waited for this thing to just watching, waiting
Speaker 2: for this thing to attack us. It was so loud
Speaker 2: that you could hear, you could feel the percussion of
Speaker 2: it beating on its chest, and it was like just
Speaker 2: it sounded massive. It sounded like a cow crashing through
Speaker 2: a cornfield. That's how I would portray it. And I
Speaker 2: honestly don't remember leaving the woods that day. I just
Speaker 2: remember this moment of just pure terror. What is this thing?
Speaker 2: I've never I've been I spent a lot of time
Speaker 2: in the woods over the years, squirrel hunting and deer
Speaker 2: hunting and stuff like that, and hiking, and I've never
Speaker 2: heard anything like that in the woods around here. And
Speaker 2: people said, oh, maybe it was a rough grouse, and
Speaker 2: I was like, I know what a grouse sounds like.
Speaker 2: I know exactly what a grouse sounds like. It sounds
Speaker 2: like an old tractor starting up. This was nothing like that.
Speaker 2: This thing was just screeching like a chimpanzee, but a
Speaker 2: little bit deeper in tone maybe, if anything. And like
Speaker 2: I've talked to one of the other guys recently that
Speaker 2: he doesn't even remember it. But I was at a
Speaker 2: party with the other friend and I said to him,
Speaker 2: do you remember that time we went squirrel on taking?
Speaker 2: He's yeah, what was that? And I said it had
Speaker 2: to be a big foot. I don't know what else
Speaker 2: they could have been. I mean, there's no no stories
Speaker 2: of escape chimpanzee. There's no rich people with exotic pets
Speaker 2: around here. They're they're definitely here.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I had no question, no question at all.
Speaker 1: Oh man, that is it's super intense. How long was
Speaker 1: it making that sound for? Would you say, I don't.
Speaker 2: Know, maybe a minute or two. And like the I
Speaker 2: remember the woods being really quiet that day, Like I
Speaker 2: don't remember hearing any birds or we didn't see any
Speaker 2: squirrels or anything like that, And like we were in
Speaker 2: the woods for very long at all. We were maybe
Speaker 2: there the most ten minutes. It was like a kind
Speaker 2: of a beautiful sunny day in the fall, and the
Speaker 2: leaves are like just yellowing. Most of the leaves weren't
Speaker 2: off the trees yet. But I mean, I don't remember
Speaker 2: exactly how long, but it couldn't have been very long.
Speaker 2: It was maybe a minute or two.
Speaker 1: Did you hear it walk off at all? Eventually?
Speaker 2: No, And that's the weird thing. It just it went quiet,
Speaker 2: like dead silent, and we'd never heard like it. Heard
Speaker 2: it thrashing around in the brush for like that short
Speaker 2: period of time, like in front of used, like shaking
Speaker 2: trees and breaking branches, and it sounded massive. But I
Speaker 2: don't remember. I don't remember even leaving. I don't remember
Speaker 2: the rest of that day and the entire day, which
Speaker 2: is very strange. It's like something like that. You'd think
Speaker 2: it'd be like you remember every second, but it just
Speaker 2: was almost like my mind was wiped.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's sometimes I think, being in a situation like
Speaker 1: that where it's super high stress. I don't know what
Speaker 1: our mind exactly does in those situations, but yeah, you
Speaker 1: can things can happen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I kind of almost I wonder if there isn't
Speaker 2: something to the whole infound infrasound theory about them too.
Speaker 2: I mean, this was it was terrifying, absolutely terrifying.
Speaker 1: Did you feel like you're physically being affected in any way?
Speaker 2: I don't know that you could feel it. You could
Speaker 2: feel a percussion from it in air test, So I
Speaker 2: don't know if it's that or if it was just
Speaker 2: how audible it was. This thing clearly must have known
Speaker 2: what guns were, and I think that's why elicited such
Speaker 2: a response, because it was right right behind the shooting range,
Speaker 2: not probably five or six hundred yards from the shooting range,
Speaker 2: not that and people don't use it very often, but
Speaker 2: I still hear I live close enough to it still
Speaker 2: now that I hear gunshots from it every once. Well,
Speaker 2: but I think they know what guns are. I think
Speaker 2: they're obviously highly intelligent.
Speaker 1: Oh, without without a doubt. There are so many things
Speaker 1: coming out about how it seems that groups of them
Speaker 1: are able to use tactics that are almost like military
Speaker 1: in a sense, like flanking, surrounding, just really crazy stuff.
Speaker 1: There's definitely something going on. It's not just a dummy.
Speaker 1: I would say there's a definite intelligence.
Speaker 2: There with the Olympic project. The way that they set
Speaker 2: up their nests that they found that sounds military to
Speaker 2: me too. They had centuries and they had what they
Speaker 2: thought was where the birthing was taking place, was surrounded
Speaker 2: by larger nests and then the smaller nests in the center.
Speaker 2: That's high intelligence, and they're obviously masters of self. You
Speaker 2: don't get to be you don't get to be the
Speaker 2: master of the forest without being highly intelligent.
Speaker 1: Yes, that that that is true. Have you ever been
Speaker 1: back to that area where you were squirrel hunting that day?
Speaker 2: I've been close to there, I've never been back in
Speaker 2: that particular spot. I haven't really had permission since then,
Speaker 2: and I don't know who runs the place now. I've
Speaker 2: thought about going back out there, but I'm honestly afraid
Speaker 2: to do it. I don't really I know, I wouldn't
Speaker 2: do it alone. I've hung out in the area not
Speaker 2: too far from there a few times, and but there
Speaker 2: it's all private property around it, so it's hard to
Speaker 2: get into that area. It's without permission. But I've thought
Speaker 2: about it.
Speaker 1: Gotcha, how did this affect the rest of your life?
Speaker 1: Living through a situation like that, it has.
Speaker 2: Kind of changed, like I don't like going hiking in
Speaker 2: places that I don't know anymore. I won't go hunting
Speaker 2: in places and I've never gone because that was the
Speaker 2: first time I've ever gone hunting out there. I've gone
Speaker 2: squirrel hunting quite a few different places in the area.
Speaker 2: I never had had any problems, but I don't hunt
Speaker 2: as much as they used to by any means. Mostly
Speaker 2: stick to fishing now, but I've fished pretty close to there,
Speaker 2: actually fairly recently. And there's there seems to be a
Speaker 2: lot of evidence in this I don't know what other
Speaker 2: animals eat clams, but there's just clams all over the
Speaker 2: shoreline along these areas. I think that's a food source
Speaker 2: for them. There's one area that I saw that there
Speaker 2: was like a perfectly rounded rock that's just set precariously
Speaker 2: right by where there's a big clam bed, and I
Speaker 2: think that they used They obviously know what they're doing.
Speaker 2: I think they used clams for food source big time too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely. And are there a lot of deer up
Speaker 1: in that area too, tons.
Speaker 2: Of deer, Yeah, tons of deer. There's a there's one
Speaker 2: field that's it's a way ways fifteen miles away from
Speaker 2: where I'm at right now, but I've seen over one
Speaker 2: hundred deer in that.
Speaker 1: Field at one time, and definitely a water sources as well.
Speaker 1: I would imagine while you're close to the river.
Speaker 2: Right where I'm at is like where where my encounter
Speaker 2: happened is like seven hundred yards from a village creek,
Speaker 2: So there's a nice freshwater stream that runs right by it,
Speaker 2: and there's a swamp right next to it too. It's
Speaker 2: only a few hundred feet away, so there's definitely water there.
Speaker 2: There's definitely food in the area too. If there's so
Speaker 2: many deer in this county, it's unreal, to be honest
Speaker 2: with Yeah.
Speaker 1: Have you heard of other people experiencing things like this
Speaker 1: in the same area or any big foot related things
Speaker 1: in this part of the state.
Speaker 2: Not that particular area, but the guy mentioned the other
Speaker 2: episode of the other Amaki County episode mentioned Lower Dam,
Speaker 2: and my buddy had an encounter at Lower Dam where
Speaker 2: he was canoeing, and it got laid on them and
Speaker 2: it started to get dark, and they were running behind
Speaker 2: and heard what he described as what he's like later
Speaker 2: described as the Ohio howl, and it chased him in
Speaker 2: their canoe for a quarter mile or something like that.
Speaker 1: Oh, it actually chased him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they came down off the hillside and ran alongside
Speaker 2: their canoe. He never saw it, but he said it
Speaker 2: sounded He like went through looking for sounds that it
Speaker 2: sounded like, and when he found the Ohio howl, that's
Speaker 2: when he was like, that's exactly what it sounded like.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. And this is by that's by the
Speaker 1: Upper Iowa River, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's on the Upper Iowa. It's about ten ten
Speaker 2: miles out of Decora, something like that. And that's a
Speaker 2: that's a large state forest area, but it's really remote,
Speaker 2: and there's there's thousands of acres of forested area along
Speaker 2: the Air River.
Speaker 1: That man, do you think you would rather have a
Speaker 1: sighting of what it is or did you prefer the
Speaker 1: way that it happened where you couldn't see it.
Speaker 2: I would have loved to have seen it, because I've
Speaker 2: been into big foot for a long time, ever since
Speaker 2: Harry and Anderson's. But it still leaves that Maignant never
Speaker 2: you can't really say for sure what it was, but
Speaker 2: you're pretty obvious if you ask me, but it's hard
Speaker 2: to say. I think I would have liked to have
Speaker 2: seen it, but I feel pretty positive I know what
Speaker 2: it was without having to see it.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, there's no other things up there that can make
Speaker 1: a sound like a screaming chimpanzee. That logically does not
Speaker 1: make sense.
Speaker 2: No, and there's like I say, like, I've looked around
Speaker 2: and there's no escape chimpanzee. There's nobody with gorillas in
Speaker 2: the area.
Speaker 1: Yeah, not the right area or that as at all.
Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of any things happening down in
Speaker 1: Yellow River at all?
Speaker 2: I have, Yeah, I have, definitely. Obviously there's a finding
Speaker 2: big boots. So but I know a few people that
Speaker 2: camp down there and they said that they've had experiences.
Speaker 2: They couldn't really explain that you've heard weird howls and
Speaker 2: stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, as we were talking about before the show started,
Speaker 1: I get about at least one email every week about
Speaker 1: Yellow River State Forest. It's just it's wild. And just
Speaker 1: in case the guys listening to this episode, there was
Speaker 1: a worker that's some sort of DNR related worker that
Speaker 1: reached out to me with some information but never followed
Speaker 1: through or maybe I need to. I don't remember getting
Speaker 1: a second email, but if that individual is listening to
Speaker 1: this one feel free to reach out again if you
Speaker 1: do want to share what you know about what what's
Speaker 1: happening in Yellow River Steak Forest, please.
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of people that know what's
Speaker 2: going on down there, and just they whether they're legally
Speaker 2: legally can't say or something like that. I fully understand
Speaker 2: that too, because it's a pretty pretty well known camping
Speaker 2: area and it's a pretty big recreation area. They got
Speaker 2: equine and stuff, and it'd be hard for them to
Speaker 2: put out something that that would be potentially defermented them
Speaker 2: to people camping down there. Oh exactly, I've never heard
Speaker 2: of anybody having a really aggressive encounter like mine. It
Speaker 2: could definitely happen.
Speaker 1: Just the whole area in northeast Iowa. There's there's Backbone
Speaker 1: State Park has come up a few times on the show.
Speaker 1: There's been some weird stuff that's happened in there. But yeah,
Speaker 1: most people will when they think in Northeast Iowa, they
Speaker 1: will think of the Finding Bigfoot episode that took place
Speaker 1: at at Yellow River, which is a classic for a
Speaker 1: few reasons.
Speaker 2: But a lot of people think that it's like that.
Speaker 2: It's a heavily populated area, but it's very sparsely populated
Speaker 2: and there are just it's all timber. It's all timber
Speaker 2: around here where I'm at, and it's all hills. It
Speaker 2: would be so easy for them to hide. There's thousands
Speaker 2: and thousands of acres of forests in Yamaki.
Speaker 1: County because that county is that's part of the Driftless Area.
Speaker 2: Correct, Yes, it is. Yep.
Speaker 1: There's probably more than a few listeners that are like, Okay, Iowa,
Speaker 1: it's all cornfields. Can you explain maybe how the Driftless
Speaker 1: Area region of Iowa is a totally different story.
Speaker 2: It's completely it's more like a mountainous region than anything else.
Speaker 2: Like it explained, it's like the river. There's rivers and
Speaker 2: bluffs everywhere. Like literally where where I'm sitting in my
Speaker 2: house right now one hundred feet to a hillside that's
Speaker 2: six hundred feet tall. There's it's rolling hills everywhere, big valleys.
Speaker 2: There are cornfields, a lot of cornfields, but there's tons
Speaker 2: and tons of hillsides with forests. There's a lot of
Speaker 2: state land. There's a lot of people that just have
Speaker 2: big wooded wood lads. Basically, it's nothing like the rest
Speaker 2: of Iowa. It's absolutely nothing like it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's absolutely beautiful. People need to look up pictures
Speaker 1: of it. It'll change your view of the state in
Speaker 1: a few ways.
Speaker 2: There's nothing like it in the fall. It's just absolutely gorgeous.
Speaker 2: Hunting and fishing is phenomenal around here.
Speaker 1: As well, because you guys have there's trout up there right.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there's I know at least a half dozen
Speaker 2: child streams within twenty miles of me, and they're very
Speaker 2: good trout streams. And the Mississippi River is there's no
Speaker 2: better fishing on the planet in my.
Speaker 1: Opinion, So that's another food source as well, is the
Speaker 1: trout that's up in that area. For sure. I've had
Speaker 1: some really interesting conversations about Iowa that are not out
Speaker 1: on the podcast yet. There's one about Boon that is
Speaker 1: coming out in a few weeks that I don't know
Speaker 1: even though if I want to visit Boon anymore now.
Speaker 1: But are there other weird things that are seen up
Speaker 1: in that area besides Bigfoot? Any stories you've ever heard
Speaker 1: of other weird stuff going around?
Speaker 2: Not personally in this area, but I mean there's the
Speaker 2: van Meter monster or van Meter visitor.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's yeah, that's down in my area. That's pretty.
Speaker 1: That's close enough to Yeah, that's good stuff.
Speaker 2: There's I've never never really had any encounters from anything else,
Speaker 2: but I got stocked by a cougar a few months ago.
Speaker 2: Oh really, they're supposed to not really be in this area,
Speaker 2: but they definitely are.
Speaker 1: No, they won't really tell you that they're in the area.
Speaker 1: Was that and was that over violancing or it was
Speaker 1: right behind.
Speaker 2: My house on the hillside behind my house, there was
Speaker 2: a big solar flare a few months back, and me
Speaker 2: and my buddy decided to walk up the hill late
Speaker 2: at night to try and go and see the official
Speaker 2: we could see the northern lights better. And we were
Speaker 2: walking around on the hillside and we saw this two
Speaker 2: big yellow eyes, forward facing eyes staring at us, about
Speaker 2: eight inches apart, and we walked towards it, and it
Speaker 2: took off, and so we kept what we kept. We
Speaker 2: started walking down the hill and we were shining the
Speaker 2: lights around the whole time, and then we thought we
Speaker 2: saw it four other times, so, oh.
Speaker 1: Man, that's something you don't want to mess with out there,
Speaker 1: for sure.
Speaker 2: No, but they're pretty. They're usually most of the time.
Speaker 2: With all the deer around here, they've got so much
Speaker 2: food they don't know what to do with it. But
Speaker 2: you definitely there was some guy that was in a
Speaker 2: tree stand somewhere behind the behind where I'm at right now,
Speaker 2: that he apparently saw it stalking around his tree sands,
Speaker 2: following his set trail, and it was stalking him too.
Speaker 1: Wow. Can you think of any other areas that you've
Speaker 1: heard of in the northeast part of Iowa that might
Speaker 1: be good for bigfoot sightings or that might be known
Speaker 1: for Bigfoot activity.
Speaker 2: Upper Dam is not too far from Lower Dam. I
Speaker 2: know that's a good place. Most of Elmi Key County
Speaker 2: to be honestly, if you is pretty good. The Cora
Speaker 2: area would be a good place to look into because
Speaker 2: there's a lot of the Long How Rivers just there's
Speaker 2: tons and tons of forests out there. A little further south,
Speaker 2: like Clayton County would be another good place to look into,
Speaker 2: Like around Pike's Peak and Effigy Mounds. I would say
Speaker 2: that those are probably likely places. I know that they
Speaker 2: there was what was like a minimum security prison that
Speaker 2: they turned into a big camp, bigfoot camp not too
Speaker 2: long ago. And that's right by Effigy Mountains, which is
Speaker 2: just on the other just south of Obamakeee County, like
Speaker 2: ten miles or something like that.
Speaker 1: It was sorry it was turned into what so.
Speaker 2: They had turned it into a big foot camp or
Speaker 2: something like that. You could go and stay there and
Speaker 2: then go and do expeditions or something like that. Really,
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's still open or not, but.
Speaker 1: I'll need to look into that.
Speaker 2: It used to be called Luster Heights.
Speaker 1: Luster Heights, all right, I'll check that out. That's very interesting.
Speaker 2: Like I say, I don't know if it's still open.
Speaker 2: That was a few years back now, but that was
Speaker 2: what I had heard at one time. And that's where
Speaker 2: the kind of bluff overlooking the Mississippi all the way
Speaker 2: along the Mississippi is prime territory too. And it's there's
Speaker 2: a highway usually, but then across the highway it's like
Speaker 2: bluffs and hillsides all the way along it for one
Speaker 2: hundred miles or better, all the way down towards Dubuque
Speaker 2: would be prime territory in my opinion.
Speaker 1: Yes, Dubuque has a lot going on. Little Mcokata River
Speaker 1: has come up a few times. There's been plenty of
Speaker 1: sightings down there. If people are listening down in the
Speaker 1: Dubuque area, Yeah, watch out. Not too far outside the
Speaker 1: city for sure. But Nick, it has been fun chatting
Speaker 1: with you about what you experience. I appreciate you coming
Speaker 1: on the show and helping to flesh out the northeast
Speaker 1: part of Iowa a little bit and give us some
Speaker 1: solid information about what you experienced over there.
Speaker 2: I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: If you ever run into anyone that brings up any sightings,
Speaker 1: or if you have anything else happened to yourself, feel
Speaker 1: free to reach out. We can always chat again in
Speaker 1: the future.
Speaker 2: I will do that.
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