WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:03.359 The following program is produced by the tech Talk Radio Network. 2 00:00:04.480 --> 00:00:08.119 Welcome to another episode of tech Talk Radio. I'm Andy Taylor, 3 00:00:08.480 --> 00:00:11.919 I'm Sean de Weird, and I'm justin. Let me thank 4 00:00:11.960 --> 00:00:12.560 you for being here. 5 00:00:12.640 --> 00:00:14.400 Good to see you justin. I hear you're out last 6 00:00:14.400 --> 00:00:16.519 week having fun. 7 00:00:17.640 --> 00:00:17.920 Fun. 8 00:00:18.480 --> 00:00:22.399 Yeah you want to call that fun? A d DOOS 9 00:00:22.399 --> 00:00:24.280 attack on my network? Yeah, that's not fun. 10 00:00:25.160 --> 00:00:27.440 So what is How does somebody know that they're getting 11 00:00:27.440 --> 00:00:29.440 that because a lot of people have no clue. They 12 00:00:29.519 --> 00:00:32.200 just the Internet slowed down or whatnot. 13 00:00:33.039 --> 00:00:35.159 I mean that's kind of that. That's kind of how 14 00:00:35.159 --> 00:00:37.479 it can be different, right. Well, no, I mean we 15 00:00:37.560 --> 00:00:39.119 we that's pretty much how we found out. It was 16 00:00:39.159 --> 00:00:42.280 just like everything was nobody could get to our website. 17 00:00:43.320 --> 00:00:46.280 Some of our you know, enterprises just were having really 18 00:00:46.320 --> 00:00:50.520 bad Internet connectivity. But I was showing everything was up, 19 00:00:51.280 --> 00:00:53.759 but I also couldn't get to the website. So I 20 00:00:53.880 --> 00:00:57.039 literally just had to reach out to the provider one. 21 00:00:57.359 --> 00:01:00.479 I reached out to the the website for because we 22 00:01:00.479 --> 00:01:03.200 don't host our own website, somebody else hosts it. And 23 00:01:03.200 --> 00:01:05.400 They're like, oh, yeah, you guys are under a DDoS attack, 24 00:01:05.439 --> 00:01:08.439 And I'm like, oh great, And then I reached out 25 00:01:08.480 --> 00:01:12.120 to our internet service provider and they're like, yeah, you're 26 00:01:12.159 --> 00:01:15.480 under a DDoS attack. And I'm like, okay, so this 27 00:01:15.599 --> 00:01:18.560 is a multi front one, Like they're really going after us, 28 00:01:18.599 --> 00:01:21.560 Like we must have really made somebody mad at water 29 00:01:21.599 --> 00:01:25.480 World this year. I don't know, they crazy. Yeah, but no, 30 00:01:25.560 --> 00:01:28.319 it went on for a couple of days. I mean 31 00:01:28.359 --> 00:01:30.400 it it kind of like calmed down after a while. 32 00:01:30.400 --> 00:01:33.719 They put some you know, they put some I don't 33 00:01:33.719 --> 00:01:35.200 know what you want to call it, just some some 34 00:01:35.319 --> 00:01:40.959 things in place to kind of mitigate the damage. But yeah, no, 35 00:01:41.040 --> 00:01:43.359 it was not fun. Definitely not fun. But I'm here. 36 00:01:44.200 --> 00:01:47.280 I worked for but I still worked for a company, 37 00:01:47.319 --> 00:01:50.159 not this one, but that had a full attack. But 38 00:01:50.239 --> 00:01:52.400 it was it was to the point where they got inside, 39 00:01:52.760 --> 00:01:55.879 they got into the systems, they were able to destroy it, 40 00:01:56.120 --> 00:01:57.239 basically ransom out. 41 00:01:57.359 --> 00:01:58.280 It was just awful. 42 00:01:58.599 --> 00:02:01.280 It's it took them moment almost three weeks to recover 43 00:02:01.400 --> 00:02:04.959 from that. And you know, I remember I was talking 44 00:02:04.959 --> 00:02:06.359 to somebody else and they said, well, what do you 45 00:02:06.400 --> 00:02:10.280 do to protect that? And I said, you just got 46 00:02:10.319 --> 00:02:13.280 to hope that nobody within the organization is click happy, 47 00:02:14.120 --> 00:02:16.039 you know, no matter what companies can sit there and 48 00:02:16.080 --> 00:02:21.240 try and try and give these courses and lessons. Don't 49 00:02:21.280 --> 00:02:24.560 click everything you get because that's one thing could take 50 00:02:24.599 --> 00:02:26.840 down I mean seriously, am I right? One thing could 51 00:02:26.840 --> 00:02:29.800 take down an entire company. You're you're right when you 52 00:02:29.879 --> 00:02:33.719 say that. However, a DDUS attack is different than just 53 00:02:33.759 --> 00:02:39.039 getting malware or a virus on inside your network. What 54 00:02:39.120 --> 00:02:42.319 you're kind of referencing there is, yes, somebody who doesn't 55 00:02:42.360 --> 00:02:44.479 know what they're doing, clicking on something and they end 56 00:02:44.520 --> 00:02:48.039 up installing some sort of malware or virus or even worse, 57 00:02:48.080 --> 00:02:51.599 something like a like a crypto bot or something that 58 00:02:51.639 --> 00:02:56.240 will you know, ransomware, ransomware. There you go, ransomware too. 59 00:02:57.560 --> 00:03:00.400 This was different because this wasn't from the end side. 60 00:03:00.439 --> 00:03:03.840 This was from the outside. And there's really no way 61 00:03:03.879 --> 00:03:07.840 to tell where it comes from because it is a 62 00:03:08.199 --> 00:03:13.240 d d OS. SODS stands for denial of service, the 63 00:03:13.560 --> 00:03:15.599 other D in front of it. D d OS means 64 00:03:15.680 --> 00:03:19.560 distributed denial of service, so it can really honestly come 65 00:03:19.560 --> 00:03:21.759 from anywhere. We don't know where it originates. But this 66 00:03:21.960 --> 00:03:25.319 is why people talk about these things like like Sean, 67 00:03:25.400 --> 00:03:30.120 you're into the wisecams. I've got real link cameras. Andy 68 00:03:30.159 --> 00:03:34.159 you might have a smart fridge or your printer. These 69 00:03:34.159 --> 00:03:37.400 are all called the Internet of Things IoT. Now, a 70 00:03:37.439 --> 00:03:41.479 lot of these devices, especially these cheap cameras like Whys 71 00:03:41.639 --> 00:03:45.879 and and real Link and other things like that, they 72 00:03:45.919 --> 00:03:49.960 don't nobody patches these things. They have security flaws inherent 73 00:03:50.479 --> 00:03:51.840 in them. And also a. 74 00:03:51.759 --> 00:03:54.479 Lot of people don't even don't even change the credentials. 75 00:03:54.719 --> 00:03:55.560 I do get. 76 00:03:55.400 --> 00:03:59.360 Firmware updates with WYSE because we have wise distributed, so 77 00:03:59.719 --> 00:04:00.520 that that's. 78 00:04:00.360 --> 00:04:01.560 Been good, I mean that is good. 79 00:04:01.719 --> 00:04:05.199 Yeah, but they've had their problems in the past, which and. 80 00:04:05.199 --> 00:04:06.719 I'm not trying to I'm not trying to poop on 81 00:04:06.759 --> 00:04:09.319 Whys here, I'm just saying I'm just giving them as example. 82 00:04:09.360 --> 00:04:11.240 There's there's plenty of other companies. 83 00:04:11.560 --> 00:04:13.840 Had their issues, remember people who were looking at other 84 00:04:13.879 --> 00:04:14.719 people's cameras. 85 00:04:15.199 --> 00:04:18.680 Yeah, ring and but but it especially is damaging to 86 00:04:18.759 --> 00:04:26.519 these really cheap internet connected devices that exploiters can take 87 00:04:26.560 --> 00:04:30.680 control over really easily, and you'll never know. You'll never 88 00:04:30.759 --> 00:04:35.120 know because your your printer, your camera, your smart speaker 89 00:04:35.519 --> 00:04:38.959 could be a part of a bot network that is 90 00:04:39.720 --> 00:04:43.959 just doing these DDoS attacks and so the only thing 91 00:04:43.959 --> 00:04:46.839 that might notice it is, oh, hey, my Internet's a 92 00:04:46.879 --> 00:04:49.680 little bit slower than it normally is. I wonder why 93 00:04:49.720 --> 00:04:52.160 it must be the must be the ISP, they must 94 00:04:52.160 --> 00:04:55.120 be having problems. No, it's because you have a handful 95 00:04:55.160 --> 00:04:57.600 of devices on your network that are now attacking some 96 00:04:57.800 --> 00:05:00.560 random person out there on the web and you have 97 00:05:00.759 --> 00:05:01.959 no idea. 98 00:05:02.040 --> 00:05:05.480 So your device could be being used, yes, to attack 99 00:05:05.519 --> 00:05:09.959 somebody else. Yes, hackers can hack. Hackers definitely can can 100 00:05:10.439 --> 00:05:13.319 get into these devices that are unsecured or at least 101 00:05:13.399 --> 00:05:15.879 just don't have the default credentials. A lot of people, 102 00:05:15.920 --> 00:05:18.639 you know, these devices are like their logins are like 103 00:05:18.720 --> 00:05:23.360 admin admin or admin password or whatever, and people don't 104 00:05:23.399 --> 00:05:26.000 change that. They don't think they need to, but they 105 00:05:26.040 --> 00:05:28.560 really do. So if you have these devices that have 106 00:05:28.680 --> 00:05:32.399 just default credentials to log into them, it is very 107 00:05:32.439 --> 00:05:34.920 important that you do change those. And Andy to your point, 108 00:05:35.399 --> 00:05:38.160 it's it's very important that you update your firmware because 109 00:05:38.160 --> 00:05:40.879 it patches these holes. And some people they see a 110 00:05:40.920 --> 00:05:43.399 firmware notice or they hear of one, and they, yeah, 111 00:05:43.399 --> 00:05:44.439 I don't want to bother with it. 112 00:05:44.560 --> 00:05:46.079 I don't want to go through all of that. Oh 113 00:05:46.120 --> 00:05:49.120 I love it when I get a firmware notification, you do, 114 00:05:50.240 --> 00:05:51.639 I love it. I love it. I get a firm 115 00:05:51.680 --> 00:05:54.480 More notification, like, yeah, let's do it. Let's let's see 116 00:05:54.800 --> 00:05:57.639 what new features. Let's let's read the release notes. Let's 117 00:05:57.639 --> 00:06:00.040 find out what polls they patched. You know, like, I 118 00:06:00.079 --> 00:06:03.600 love firm More updates. I'm always checking everything in my house. 119 00:06:03.639 --> 00:06:06.680 I'm checking what devices out there have firm More updates. 120 00:06:06.920 --> 00:06:09.079 You Ever, there's a couple of programs out there. 121 00:06:09.240 --> 00:06:11.399 I know that you can actually do a sweep of 122 00:06:11.480 --> 00:06:14.639 your home and find out devices that are on your network. 123 00:06:15.000 --> 00:06:17.199 Some people like will do that and go wait, what 124 00:06:17.319 --> 00:06:20.319 is this? They what are some of those things that 125 00:06:20.319 --> 00:06:21.959 you're talking about? Like what what software? Do you know? 126 00:06:22.240 --> 00:06:27.639 There is a software and fing do it fing f 127 00:06:27.680 --> 00:06:27.959 I G. 128 00:06:28.240 --> 00:06:30.519 It's a really if Yeah, it's a It's an app 129 00:06:30.560 --> 00:06:33.920 that will do network monitoring. You can check for devices, 130 00:06:33.920 --> 00:06:38.040 you can whitelist, blacklist. It'll notify you of new devices 131 00:06:38.040 --> 00:06:41.439 that come on. It's a it's an iOS app. There's 132 00:06:41.439 --> 00:06:43.959 a paid version for it, there's a free version. You 133 00:06:44.000 --> 00:06:46.399 can do basic ping tests with it, speed tests those. 134 00:06:46.680 --> 00:06:48.839 It's also a Windows app. It's not just iOS. 135 00:06:49.360 --> 00:06:51.879 Yeah. I use it on iOS just because it helps 136 00:06:51.879 --> 00:06:55.199 me monitor a couple things on my phone. But outside 137 00:06:55.240 --> 00:06:57.920 of that, I mean, most routers have a common tool 138 00:06:57.959 --> 00:06:59.920 that you can use to to to check for things 139 00:06:59.920 --> 00:07:01.759 like that too, But outside of that, I don't know 140 00:07:01.759 --> 00:07:03.040 of any other software. 141 00:07:02.720 --> 00:07:04.720 That well, a lot of a lot of routers. You know, 142 00:07:04.759 --> 00:07:06.360 a lot of people out there, they just use the 143 00:07:06.360 --> 00:07:08.680 default router that was given to them by their ISP. 144 00:07:08.959 --> 00:07:11.480 They just feel like, okay, that's enough, it's good enough. 145 00:07:11.360 --> 00:07:16.279 The ISPs get those routers are the worst. I mean, 146 00:07:16.319 --> 00:07:18.759 the ISP. They don't care as long as it connects 147 00:07:18.800 --> 00:07:20.759 you to the Internet and you got Internet service and 148 00:07:21.040 --> 00:07:24.399 you're paying for it. They don't care about your security. 149 00:07:24.759 --> 00:07:29.439 And a handful of people that I you know, everybody knows. 150 00:07:29.480 --> 00:07:31.360 I'm the guy that knows it. So they always call 151 00:07:31.399 --> 00:07:34.360 me with their I problems and the number of people 152 00:07:34.399 --> 00:07:36.959 that I've had gone over their house and they say, 153 00:07:37.000 --> 00:07:41.240 my WiFi is garbage, like it's terrible upstairs. And they 154 00:07:41.240 --> 00:07:44.720 don't realize that they took the router they were provided 155 00:07:44.720 --> 00:07:48.079 by their ISP, set it up, plugged it into their 156 00:07:48.079 --> 00:07:51.720 wireless router right next to it, and never disabled the 157 00:07:51.759 --> 00:07:55.000 Wi Fi off the base router. Oh, so they're they're 158 00:07:55.000 --> 00:07:56.240 connecting to their. 159 00:07:56.120 --> 00:07:59.480 Router on the same frequency channel ye. 160 00:07:59.680 --> 00:08:03.720 They're blasting each other and they're maybe fifteen twenty feet away. 161 00:08:03.720 --> 00:08:06.120 It's fine, but you get upstairs, you get forty fifty 162 00:08:06.160 --> 00:08:08.800 sixty feet away, and the Internet starts to get degraded 163 00:08:08.879 --> 00:08:12.319 terribly because they're just they're just channel surfing all the 164 00:08:12.360 --> 00:08:13.959 same channels, trying to figure it out. 165 00:08:14.240 --> 00:08:16.959 That that is true. But there there there have been 166 00:08:17.000 --> 00:08:20.199 improvements in wireless connectivity and a lot of routers. And 167 00:08:20.240 --> 00:08:22.600 I'm not saying the ISPs do this because they're crap, 168 00:08:23.040 --> 00:08:28.279 but if you have anything that's actually somewhat from this century, 169 00:08:28.560 --> 00:08:30.959 they'll they'll they will they will monitor the channels that 170 00:08:31.040 --> 00:08:33.120 are in use, and they will switch. If it determines 171 00:08:33.159 --> 00:08:37.039 that a particular Wi Fi channel is overloaded or just 172 00:08:37.159 --> 00:08:39.840 being used by a lot of devices, it will try 173 00:08:39.879 --> 00:08:42.879 to find a channel that is not being used and 174 00:08:43.240 --> 00:08:46.639 it will switch to that channel. But if the device reboots, 175 00:08:46.720 --> 00:08:48.759 you know, your router reboots or whatever, it's gonna have 176 00:08:48.840 --> 00:08:50.799 to do this all over again from scratch. 177 00:08:51.480 --> 00:08:54.480 Now, some people have wondered, you know, with the network 178 00:08:54.559 --> 00:08:57.000 and people could connect to the network, what about Bluetooth. 179 00:08:57.480 --> 00:08:59.279 You know a lot of people have Bluetooth devices now 180 00:08:59.320 --> 00:09:04.639 in their homes. Can Bluetooth devices actually be dangerous. 181 00:09:05.840 --> 00:09:07.360 That you know, if you have them open. 182 00:09:07.440 --> 00:09:10.000 I know that recently I did a test on a 183 00:09:10.080 --> 00:09:13.600 new product that I looked at, the cell to jack device, 184 00:09:13.759 --> 00:09:15.039 which is kind of cool. 185 00:09:15.240 --> 00:09:18.120 I'll talk about that later. But I noticed I had 186 00:09:18.200 --> 00:09:23.000 an Xi x yo available a Bluetooth device. 187 00:09:23.440 --> 00:09:27.799 Obviously it would be an offshore company based in China 188 00:09:28.120 --> 00:09:30.120 because that's basically what it was representing. 189 00:09:30.559 --> 00:09:33.399 And then I had my neighbor who I know her name, 190 00:09:34.080 --> 00:09:35.279 her Mac. 191 00:09:35.399 --> 00:09:38.799 Was available via bluetooth, and that should I go over 192 00:09:38.799 --> 00:09:40.120 there and say, hey, you might want to lock that 193 00:09:40.200 --> 00:09:45.320 down or I mean, how how safe would how should 194 00:09:45.320 --> 00:09:46.919 we worry about Bluetooth connections? 195 00:09:47.799 --> 00:09:51.200 For the most part, Bluetooth it's it's a little bit 196 00:09:51.360 --> 00:09:55.000 more secure than just regular old just Wi Fi. I 197 00:09:55.039 --> 00:09:56.679 guess in a certain way, I know there's gonna be 198 00:09:56.720 --> 00:09:59.000 a lot there to say, oh, no, you're wrong, justin no. 199 00:09:59.159 --> 00:10:01.240 But like when you try to connect a Bluetooth device, 200 00:10:01.360 --> 00:10:05.039 a lot of times the receiving end of it will say, hey, 201 00:10:05.399 --> 00:10:07.279 so and so is trying to connect. Do you want 202 00:10:07.320 --> 00:10:10.799 to pair you this device with this random thing? So 203 00:10:11.039 --> 00:10:13.799 it'll at least try to give you a warning, But 204 00:10:14.639 --> 00:10:17.159 that's not to say that it's not without fault. I'll 205 00:10:17.200 --> 00:10:20.399 give you an example, and this is not necessarily Bluetooth. 206 00:10:20.440 --> 00:10:21.879 This is a little bit more with Wi Fi, but 207 00:10:22.720 --> 00:10:26.759 the concept remains the same. We have and I believe 208 00:10:26.799 --> 00:10:29.279 I think I mentioned this on the show a year 209 00:10:29.360 --> 00:10:32.559 ago or so, but my company runs a fitness center 210 00:10:32.919 --> 00:10:36.320 and there's a lot of televisions in the fitness center, 211 00:10:36.840 --> 00:10:40.879 and these televisions are smart televisions, and people would actually 212 00:10:40.919 --> 00:10:43.759 bring their phones in and somebody decided, hey, let's just 213 00:10:43.799 --> 00:10:46.559 see what happens if I try to cast my phone 214 00:10:46.679 --> 00:10:49.440 to one of these TVs. And they were able to 215 00:10:49.559 --> 00:10:51.519 cast their phone to the TV. So what they did 216 00:10:51.799 --> 00:10:55.519 was any natural person would do, is they just started 217 00:10:55.559 --> 00:11:00.600 to showing porn on on TVs. Oh my god, and 218 00:11:00.679 --> 00:11:03.159 a fitness center. So we obviously had to, you know, disable. 219 00:11:03.320 --> 00:11:05.879 But I'm just saying, is the point of the story, 220 00:11:05.919 --> 00:11:09.600 the moral of the story is it's not necessarily secure. 221 00:11:09.799 --> 00:11:11.240 I mean, you've got to be careful with what you're 222 00:11:11.279 --> 00:11:14.799 doing these devices and hackers, they're going to find the easiest, 223 00:11:15.519 --> 00:11:18.639 least path of resistance way of getting into your device, 224 00:11:19.039 --> 00:11:20.960 and they're not going to stop until they do. And 225 00:11:21.080 --> 00:11:24.240 that's why there are firmware updates. That's why their software updates. 226 00:11:24.559 --> 00:11:27.480 Because companies, it's whack a mole. You're gonna patch one 227 00:11:27.559 --> 00:11:29.960 or two holes and another two or three are gonna 228 00:11:29.960 --> 00:11:30.320 pop up. 229 00:11:30.480 --> 00:11:32.960 I'm wondering though, when it comes to routers, because I 230 00:11:33.000 --> 00:11:35.200 know that we have people listening that may have been 231 00:11:35.240 --> 00:11:39.559 in that same situation justin where they were using you know, 232 00:11:39.759 --> 00:11:42.879 the router provided by the cable company, and you know 233 00:11:43.000 --> 00:11:46.759 manufacturers that can vary. Is there a router manufacturer? I mean, 234 00:11:46.960 --> 00:11:50.720 we have the big names, Netgear, Linksys, Is there some 235 00:11:50.879 --> 00:11:53.399 that are better than others or that are highly regarded. 236 00:11:53.480 --> 00:11:56.879 I know that you know, Abiquity, We've we've heard about them. 237 00:11:57.320 --> 00:11:59.639 They seem to have, you know, a pretty good a 238 00:11:59.679 --> 00:12:02.120 pretty good stronghold when it comes to companies. But what 239 00:12:02.240 --> 00:12:05.279 about for the consumer, like when they're they're looking for 240 00:12:05.600 --> 00:12:06.440 that type of device. 241 00:12:08.159 --> 00:12:10.279 See, now here's the thing. I had an answer ready 242 00:12:10.320 --> 00:12:13.000 to go for you, but the moment you just said consumer, 243 00:12:14.000 --> 00:12:18.240 it went out the window. Yes, I mean obviously you 244 00:12:18.279 --> 00:12:21.440 can buy I personally, I personally am running an Asus 245 00:12:21.799 --> 00:12:24.200 router and it's off the shelf. Okay, I mean it's 246 00:12:24.240 --> 00:12:26.440 a I think it was four hundred and fifty bucks. 247 00:12:27.320 --> 00:12:31.120 Plus I added an extra Wi Fi extender upstairs that 248 00:12:31.360 --> 00:12:34.080 connects to this. So yeah, four hundred, five hundred dollars 249 00:12:34.120 --> 00:12:37.159 for that thing. However, if if you got a little 250 00:12:37.159 --> 00:12:41.279 bit of it knowledge and a spare you know, small 251 00:12:42.480 --> 00:12:44.919 PC laying around that doesn't have to be really powerful, 252 00:12:45.559 --> 00:12:49.440 I would highly recommend PF sense. PF sense is an 253 00:12:49.480 --> 00:12:55.759 open Yeah, PF Paul franksense dot org is the website. 254 00:12:55.799 --> 00:12:59.039 PF sense amazing open source. Now when you see that, 255 00:12:59.120 --> 00:13:01.039 we hear the word opens you're like, oh, well, well 256 00:13:01.080 --> 00:13:04.480 hold on. Open source means anybody can contribute, anybody can 257 00:13:04.559 --> 00:13:08.039 make it. Yeah, that's true. However, it goes through a 258 00:13:08.200 --> 00:13:11.840 whole peer review before it ever gets approved, and there 259 00:13:11.879 --> 00:13:13.399 are a lot of people out there that know a 260 00:13:13.559 --> 00:13:16.440 lot more than I do, and they're gonna review every 261 00:13:16.600 --> 00:13:21.399 type of every piece of code that gets introduced, and 262 00:13:21.440 --> 00:13:23.879 they're gonna say, Okay, yeah this is good, or no, 263 00:13:24.360 --> 00:13:25.919 this is not good. We're not going to allow this 264 00:13:26.039 --> 00:13:26.480 to go through. 265 00:13:26.840 --> 00:13:27.440 So happened. 266 00:13:27.480 --> 00:13:30.720 Yeah, PF sense is a great way to run an 267 00:13:30.879 --> 00:13:33.960 open source doesn't cost you a dime, and it only 268 00:13:34.000 --> 00:13:36.000 costs you hardware. And if you got an old PC 269 00:13:36.200 --> 00:13:39.279 laying around, throw Linux on it and throw PF Sense 270 00:13:39.440 --> 00:13:41.720 on it, and now you've got your own home router. 271 00:13:42.039 --> 00:13:44.919 And uh, it's great, but it does require a little 272 00:13:44.919 --> 00:13:46.919 bit of it knowledge. John, do you have like a 273 00:13:47.039 --> 00:13:48.639 preference when it comes to routers? 274 00:13:48.720 --> 00:13:55.080 And so I've always been privy to Netgear, it seems 275 00:13:55.120 --> 00:13:57.600 to just over the years, Netgear's kind of been always 276 00:13:57.639 --> 00:13:59.840 one I've landed on, whether it was provided for me 277 00:14:00.200 --> 00:14:03.559 at my apartment or one that I bought. I'm running 278 00:14:03.559 --> 00:14:07.000 a Nighthawk here, which is their They're kind of their 279 00:14:07.679 --> 00:14:10.759 top of the line for consumer before you start getting 280 00:14:10.759 --> 00:14:15.399 into enterprise level stuff from Netgear. And we used Netgear Grades, 281 00:14:15.399 --> 00:14:19.200 which is a professional uh you know, Layer three S, 282 00:14:19.200 --> 00:14:21.960 which is at we're at at the university for certain things. 283 00:14:22.879 --> 00:14:26.639 So Netgear's kind of been the router of choice for me. 284 00:14:27.960 --> 00:14:30.600 And I would have said PF Sense if Justin hadn't 285 00:14:30.600 --> 00:14:34.240 said it first. It's just I don't know much about it. 286 00:14:34.320 --> 00:14:36.799 I know it exists. It's something that I've thought about 287 00:14:36.840 --> 00:14:42.000 playing around with, but outside of the generic security rules 288 00:14:42.039 --> 00:14:44.279 in place and my Windows Defender, like, I'm not running 289 00:14:44.360 --> 00:14:45.519 much more security than that. 290 00:14:46.200 --> 00:14:47.519 Now, if you were a talk to Matt. Now, I 291 00:14:47.600 --> 00:14:51.120 know Matt's not here tonight. Actually, Matt just was traveling 292 00:14:51.240 --> 00:14:54.399 back from Washington, d C. He went out there for 293 00:14:54.559 --> 00:14:57.399 the Washington Commanders versus the Raiders game. He was a 294 00:14:57.440 --> 00:14:59.919 big Raiders fan, and I was like, why would you 295 00:15:00.000 --> 00:15:02.039 do that to yourself? First off, why would you travel 296 00:15:02.080 --> 00:15:05.360 oh halfway across the country just to see the Raiders lose. 297 00:15:05.639 --> 00:15:08.960 I'm sorry, I'm a Raiders hater, and he's not here 298 00:15:09.000 --> 00:15:12.080 to defend himself. But anyway, if Matt was here tonight, 299 00:15:12.159 --> 00:15:16.559 he would tell you that he likes Ubiquity Unify. He's 300 00:15:16.559 --> 00:15:19.200 a big Unify guy. So that's another great one. But 301 00:15:19.639 --> 00:15:24.519 to Shawn's point, Unify can be just dabbling your toes 302 00:15:24.600 --> 00:15:28.159 into the enterprise side of things. I remember when my 303 00:15:28.240 --> 00:15:31.039 wife started a billing business. She did a medical building 304 00:15:31.120 --> 00:15:33.600 from home back around two thousand and nine. We use 305 00:15:33.679 --> 00:15:37.080 Sonic Wall and they were always pushing. They were always 306 00:15:37.120 --> 00:15:39.679 pushing updates. It was good. Never had an issue with 307 00:15:39.799 --> 00:15:45.840 him until the router just just died. What happened. I've 308 00:15:46.279 --> 00:15:49.039 heard mixed reactions about Sonic Wall. I've heard that Sonic 309 00:15:49.120 --> 00:15:52.679 Wall for what you get, I mean, they do protect 310 00:15:52.720 --> 00:15:55.039 you but they also constantly are trying to push you 311 00:15:55.120 --> 00:15:58.759 to pay more money for this subscription or you know, 312 00:15:58.960 --> 00:16:01.519 add on this feature for an extra five dollars a 313 00:16:01.639 --> 00:16:04.519 month or whatever. And so I don't like that, that 314 00:16:04.720 --> 00:16:06.200 that model of business. 315 00:16:05.919 --> 00:16:08.919 All right, So when it comes to that, I use 316 00:16:09.600 --> 00:16:12.320 neckar Modem, Lynxis routers. 317 00:16:12.480 --> 00:16:16.480 I've been using Lynxis for a long time, and I've. 318 00:16:16.440 --> 00:16:19.919 Upgraded holped You've changed your password, yeah, of course, oh yeah, 319 00:16:20.080 --> 00:16:23.240 always I that's kind of a common thing. But yeah, 320 00:16:23.279 --> 00:16:26.039 that's the problem is some of them are a little 321 00:16:26.080 --> 00:16:28.840 looser than others when it comes to the security that's 322 00:16:28.879 --> 00:16:32.039 on there. And again another reason. Run the firmware updates. 323 00:16:32.360 --> 00:16:37.399 Now I'm wondering, what about firmware updates on motherboards, bios updates, Yeah, 324 00:16:37.440 --> 00:16:40.720 bios updates and doing those. Some people don't ever do those. 325 00:16:40.840 --> 00:16:44.080 I do them all the time because I look at 326 00:16:44.120 --> 00:16:46.960 it this way. We've got so many computers and Seawan 327 00:16:47.000 --> 00:16:48.759 you can probably speak to this at Notre Dame, but 328 00:16:48.840 --> 00:16:50.679 at Highland Hills. I mean, we got so many Dell 329 00:16:50.759 --> 00:16:54.759 computers and they're all running Windows right, and Windows updates things, 330 00:16:55.320 --> 00:16:56.480 you know, every every Tuesday. 331 00:16:56.559 --> 00:16:59.840 They got patch Tuesday, right. Sometimes it's it's benign. So 332 00:17:00.120 --> 00:17:03.240 times it's a big patch. But what happens is is 333 00:17:03.320 --> 00:17:07.480 when Windows updates things faster than the manufacturer of the 334 00:17:07.559 --> 00:17:10.240 hardware can keep up with, then they have to issue 335 00:17:10.359 --> 00:17:12.480 like a BIOS update. And I've noticed so many times 336 00:17:12.559 --> 00:17:18.160 where a brand new Windows eleven Pro PC, top of 337 00:17:18.240 --> 00:17:23.920 the line Dell Precision just stops working and it's running slow, 338 00:17:24.960 --> 00:17:27.960 and I'm like, this doesn't make any sense. It's brand new. 339 00:17:28.519 --> 00:17:30.279 And then I go out and I find oh, there's 340 00:17:30.279 --> 00:17:33.240 a bios update, and I run the bios update and bam, 341 00:17:33.400 --> 00:17:34.680 everything's working great again. 342 00:17:35.200 --> 00:17:38.279 Yeah, so you mentioned this on the show a couple 343 00:17:38.319 --> 00:17:42.359 weeks ago, and you know me, Yeah you did? You 344 00:17:42.440 --> 00:17:44.200 meant justin, Yeah, Justin, you mentioned this on the show 345 00:17:44.200 --> 00:17:47.039 a couple weeks ago. We were having a problem with 346 00:17:47.640 --> 00:17:51.559 PC at work. It's a Lenovo Think Center running to 347 00:17:51.799 --> 00:17:55.119 dual thread rippers. We're using it for video transcoding and 348 00:17:55.240 --> 00:17:59.160 it's running, it's running the it's ridiculous Windows eleven server. 349 00:17:59.440 --> 00:18:04.319 It's it's this big beefe machine and it just kept struggling, 350 00:18:05.400 --> 00:18:08.640 kept struggling. We kept updating Windows and break things, kept 351 00:18:08.680 --> 00:18:11.880 breaking things. We put driver easy on it. 352 00:18:12.400 --> 00:18:13.920 Oh, I love Yeah Easy. 353 00:18:14.240 --> 00:18:16.680 It found all these drivers that weren't updated. 354 00:18:18.200 --> 00:18:18.920 I don't get it. 355 00:18:19.319 --> 00:18:20.240 I don't I just don't get it. 356 00:18:20.279 --> 00:18:23.960 Why why would Yeah, why show you this stuff? 357 00:18:24.000 --> 00:18:26.599 I don't know. So it found it found like fifteen 358 00:18:26.680 --> 00:18:29.319 or sixteen drivers that were like, I'm out of date, 359 00:18:29.920 --> 00:18:33.759 and we installed them, rebooted, and it's been fine. 360 00:18:34.119 --> 00:18:36.240 Did you do that Driver Easy because you were like, hey, 361 00:18:36.440 --> 00:18:37.039 justin talked to him. 362 00:18:37.359 --> 00:18:40.000 Well, it just we were like every time it would 363 00:18:40.119 --> 00:18:42.480 do a Windows update because we update. You know, we 364 00:18:42.559 --> 00:18:44.160 have a guy on our team that his whole job 365 00:18:44.279 --> 00:18:46.440 is security and Windows and stuff like that, and. 366 00:18:46.480 --> 00:18:47.640 He didn't know about Driver Easy. 367 00:18:48.200 --> 00:18:50.319 I just told him. I was like, look, it's probably 368 00:18:50.400 --> 00:18:53.960 a driver. Let's let's get an enterprise license for Driver Easy. 369 00:18:54.319 --> 00:18:56.039 Let's put it on there. Let's see what happens. The 370 00:18:56.119 --> 00:18:57.920 worst thing we can do is update the drivers, right, 371 00:18:58.799 --> 00:19:02.119 and we updated the driver and it must have found 372 00:19:02.200 --> 00:19:05.680 one that was stuck or hadn't been updated driver and 373 00:19:07.599 --> 00:19:09.400 it's been weren't running great. 374 00:19:09.519 --> 00:19:12.720 Since No, what's the cost of driver Easy for somebody 375 00:19:12.799 --> 00:19:13.119 to use? 376 00:19:13.759 --> 00:19:15.839 I mean for an enterprise level. I don't know because 377 00:19:15.839 --> 00:19:17.880 I'm not paying for that. But I have the three 378 00:19:18.400 --> 00:19:20.160 I could put it on three PCs of my own 379 00:19:20.920 --> 00:19:23.319 and I think I paid like sixty sixty bucks for 380 00:19:23.400 --> 00:19:23.680 the year. 381 00:19:23.839 --> 00:19:25.319 Yeah, yeah, fifty sixty bucks a year. 382 00:19:25.799 --> 00:19:28.759 So it's been great, and it's it's helped me. It 383 00:19:28.839 --> 00:19:31.440 helped my machine. It's helped me on another machine that 384 00:19:31.480 --> 00:19:33.519 I have at home that I was struggling with after 385 00:19:33.559 --> 00:19:35.680 a Windows update where things were just dog slow and 386 00:19:35.759 --> 00:19:38.000 I was just like, why is this so slow? Driver Easy? 387 00:19:38.039 --> 00:19:38.359 I don't know. 388 00:19:38.799 --> 00:19:39.559 Justin Menston on the. 389 00:19:39.559 --> 00:19:42.480 Show, I bought it that night that night ran down 390 00:19:42.519 --> 00:19:43.000 my PC. 391 00:19:43.440 --> 00:19:45.599 While we were doing the show. Yeah, you were online 392 00:19:45.640 --> 00:19:48.559 buying it. Yeah. And then remember remember he disconnected because 393 00:19:48.599 --> 00:19:50.720 AD updated his driver and made him reboot like halfway 394 00:19:50.759 --> 00:19:54.519 through the show. Yes, no, but no, there also is 395 00:19:54.599 --> 00:19:56.960 a different version of Driver Easy. It's it's I think 396 00:19:57.000 --> 00:20:01.160 it's called like the PC help Desk Technician license. Basically, 397 00:20:01.240 --> 00:20:05.240 what it does is you get fifty licenses for driver Easy, 398 00:20:05.839 --> 00:20:09.200 but each license is only active for three days. So 399 00:20:09.400 --> 00:20:14.119 this is it allows a PC technician to install Driver 400 00:20:14.279 --> 00:20:19.200 Easy on a customer's computer, run the updates once, get 401 00:20:19.279 --> 00:20:21.440