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<v Speaker 1>This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI

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<v Speaker 1>AM six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on demand

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<v Speaker 1>on the iHeartRadio app. Stories We're following for you today.

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<v Speaker 1>Stock surging on Wall Street. The Dow has been up

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<v Speaker 1>six hundred points at times during the session. Nasdaq has

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<v Speaker 1>been up over one hundred points at times this well

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<v Speaker 1>as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Excuse me.

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<v Speaker 1>The Fed is set to make an announcement on interest

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<v Speaker 1>rates later this month, widely expected to make a cut. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>Tropical Storm Francine has formed, expected to intensify into a

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<v Speaker 1>hurricane before making landfall, this one along the Louisiana coast.

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<v Speaker 1>On Wednesday, They said that there could be a life

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<v Speaker 1>threatening storm surge for parts of Upper Texas and Louisiana coastlines.

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<v Speaker 1>Risk of flash and urban flooding exists across portions of

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<v Speaker 1>the Mid South from Wednesday into Friday morning.

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<v Speaker 2>And then.

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<v Speaker 1>Kate, the Princess of Princess of Wales is done with

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<v Speaker 1>her chemo treatment. She made the announcement in a video

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<v Speaker 1>message released today. It was in Mark she revealed she

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<v Speaker 1>had been diagnosed with an unspecified form of cancer. She

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<v Speaker 1>said the last nine months incredibly tough for the family,

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<v Speaker 1>but she's looking forward to be back at work.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>So when we heard that, we both said the same thing.

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<v Speaker 4>What we both said, work back at work work. I

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<v Speaker 4>guess it's charitable endeavors and things like that. Right, we're

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<v Speaker 4>horrible people. I mean, she just beat cancer and we're.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, what is it you do? What does it you

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<v Speaker 2>say you do here?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, the whole royal family, it doesn't seem rather outdated

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<v Speaker 4>to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, and our obsession with it here, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's wild. They'll tell you.

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<v Speaker 1>Tabloids will tell you if they put the Royals on

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<v Speaker 1>the cover, they sell like fifty percent more of those

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<v Speaker 1>than they do with Why that is.

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<v Speaker 2>Why we're so fascinated by all that. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't have it here. I guess didn't we leave

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<v Speaker 2>all that behind?

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<v Speaker 5>I think that was one of the reasons.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>So all right, so you know that, by the way

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<v Speaker 4>it's starting, that interest rate story is big because you

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<v Speaker 4>know it'll impact the cost of housing, especially here in

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<v Speaker 4>southern California, which is one of the big issues is

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<v Speaker 4>affording the house.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, So if I think the rates are right now

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<v Speaker 4>are around six percent, So if they go down a

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<v Speaker 4>percentage of two.

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<v Speaker 5>It's great for home sales.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think I could have gotten my house if

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<v Speaker 1>it was like six percent.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was like three percent or something.

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<v Speaker 5>Definitely okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So we asked you earlier about undecideds, right, like, who's

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<v Speaker 1>still undecided? And what would make you decide? Were you

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<v Speaker 1>a Trump? Were you going to vote for Trump and

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<v Speaker 1>then change it to Kamala vice versa?

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<v Speaker 2>What's the deal? And you hit us up on the

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<v Speaker 2>talkback feature, Hey.

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<v Speaker 6>My question would be and it would be to Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 6>His lawyers asserted that he could have Seal Team six,

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<v Speaker 6>have his political opponents assassinated, and the only thing that

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<v Speaker 6>could be done is that he could be removed from office.

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<v Speaker 6>There's no legal problem with that action. I would ask

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<v Speaker 6>him if he agrees with that.

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<v Speaker 3>Hi, Shannon and the friend b Lincoln on the name.

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<v Speaker 3>I am actually still undecided, but not in the way

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<v Speaker 3>that you think I am not voting for Kamala. I

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<v Speaker 3>am actually a pretty centrist Republican, and I think a

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<v Speaker 3>with progressive things that she has put into place. So

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<v Speaker 3>definitely not going that camp. But either Trump or a

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<v Speaker 3>write in, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 7>I would ask Trump how he plans on ending the

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<v Speaker 7>Ukraine War and under what conditions? And I would ask

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<v Speaker 7>Harris on how she supports Ukraine and under what conditions.

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<v Speaker 7>I would ask Trump is he going to pull out

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<v Speaker 7>of NATO? And under what conditions? What do you stay

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<v Speaker 7>in NATO? And then I would ask Trump also how

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<v Speaker 7>what are the actual plans of round of identifying and

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<v Speaker 7>rounding up and departing reporting eleven million illegal aliens?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, I mean Ukraine's not really something that's been

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<v Speaker 2>talked about, but also important. I think it is where

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<v Speaker 2>people stand in terms of, you know, America first, and

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<v Speaker 1>On that?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he's pretty clear on that. America first and then

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<v Speaker 4>we'll worry about everybody else.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, before we get to this.

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<v Speaker 5>Those were good. Those were good to sure comments.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, oh yeah, asking what you would ask if you

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<v Speaker 1>were the moderator at the debate. By the way, it's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be tomorrow at six hour time. I guess

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<v Speaker 1>we can officially start swamp watch. It's still unclear on

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<v Speaker 1>what percentage of voters out there are undecided. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen different polls that's say three percent, eight percent,

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<v Speaker 1>some higher.

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<v Speaker 5>I think it's got to be low.

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<v Speaker 2>It's horrible the government, I think.

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<v Speaker 5>Make it like a reality TV show. Corn Pop was

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<v Speaker 5>a bad news.

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<v Speaker 2>Always a pleasure to be anywhere from Washington, d C.

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<v Speaker 7>Hey, you know it's a town hall too, clearly built

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<v Speaker 7>on a swamp and in so many ways.

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<v Speaker 5>Still a swamp. I have a watch of Malarkey.

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<v Speaker 2>Boy said drained the swamp.

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<v Speaker 6>I said, Oh, that's so he'll keep.

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<v Speaker 2>You know the thing.

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<v Speaker 7>Well.

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<v Speaker 1>I over the weekend was reading some things in Politico

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<v Speaker 1>and happened upon a political magazine item and it's called

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<v Speaker 1>the Kamala and Tim Show that it's a it's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a buddy comedy act that feels familiar, and they

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<v Speaker 1>they mentioned the Tacos video that was released in the

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<v Speaker 1>campaign just days before the convention. It shows Kamala and

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<v Speaker 1>Tim Walls chatting at a jazz club in Detroit. They're

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<v Speaker 1>new running mates. They appear to be sudden besties. They're

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<v Speaker 1>laughing about their differences. They're comparing musical tastes. He's Springsteen

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<v Speaker 1>and Seeger, She's Aretha and Prince. She teased him for

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<v Speaker 1>eating what he calls white guy tacos.

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<v Speaker 2>Saying what is that mean? Like mayonnaise and tuna? What

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<v Speaker 2>are you doing?

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<v Speaker 1>And the article brings up a number of interesting points

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<v Speaker 1>as they say, the running mate relationship is one of

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<v Speaker 1>the most artificial alliances in politics, and that is why

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<v Speaker 1>campaigns struggle to define it. They say that some candidates

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to portray like an instant soulmate relationship nineteen ninety

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<v Speaker 1>two Bill Clinton and Al Gore dancing to Fleetwood Mac

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<v Speaker 1>and pretending to embark on a buddy movie road trip.

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<v Speaker 1>Then there's the business arrangement, think Trump Pence right, That

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<v Speaker 1>was definitely not a buddy relationship. And they say that

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<v Speaker 1>the Harris Walls campaign has tried a different kind of introduction,

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<v Speaker 1>that it's filled with banter, self deprecating jokes, a pitch

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<v Speaker 1>to the TikTok generation in terms of bites. But for

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<v Speaker 1>older voters it has this familiarity, familiar feeling to it

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<v Speaker 1>that it's like a sitcom. It's like those multi camera

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<v Speaker 1>family shows of the eighties. When both of these people

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<v Speaker 1>came of age, they say, you know, Growing Pains, Cosby Show,

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<v Speaker 1>Kitchen Table Talk, even that interview they did with Dana

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<v Speaker 1>Bash felt like they were at a kitchen table, and

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<v Speaker 1>that it's just this nice, aesthetic, wholesome, wholehearted, a blended

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<v Speaker 1>family approach.

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<v Speaker 4>The theory is that translates into votes because people say, oh.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I like that. It's a nostalgic, feel good kind

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<v Speaker 5>What do you think.

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<v Speaker 2>I think there's something to this scenario.

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<v Speaker 5>Certainly a contrast between your other choice.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, right, right right, they say, you know, family ties

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<v Speaker 1>with that political premise too, hippies fighting themselves raising a

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<v Speaker 1>briefcase toting Reagan Republican and Alex P.

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<v Speaker 2>Keaton, right, but they all always wound up hugging in

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<v Speaker 2>the end.

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<v Speaker 1>These are two people who come from very different parts

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<v Speaker 1>of the country, and that's why they compare to like

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<v Speaker 1>a blended family, like different strokes or whatever. And then

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<v Speaker 1>there's the whole Kamala Harris Doug m Hoff thing of

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<v Speaker 1>the meet cute and it's the cool girl and the

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<v Speaker 1>nerdy guy, and that reminds us of like John Hughes movies, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So it's kind of like a hearkening back.

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<v Speaker 4>To the eighties. And I'm not loving that whole premise

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<v Speaker 4>from that Politico piece. I mean, I get it. This

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<v Speaker 4>certainly has some validity to it. But again, if I'm

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<v Speaker 4>am I voting, yes, I vote partly on personality, but

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<v Speaker 4>I want some substance there too.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm not really not looking for like a cute couple.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think it's saying it's going to translate to voters.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just the description to give off. Yeah, the architect.

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<v Speaker 1>Going back to what we were talking about earlier.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, which is a clear choice that would have been

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<v Speaker 4>maybe different it was Shapiro or Buddha Jeedge or another candidate.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to do that kind of when there's a

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<v Speaker 1>woman involved, and find a way to soften it but

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<v Speaker 1>also be strong. Okay, Coming up next, we will do

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<v Speaker 1>an up on the debate prep Right, what's going on?

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<v Speaker 1>A method acting, insults, tough questions.

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<v Speaker 5>They're going to all of that.

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<v Speaker 1>Former President Trump has celebrated the birthday of Mary in

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<v Speaker 1>a truth social post and a post on X Happy

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<v Speaker 1>Birthday Mary, he posted on his social media platform, along

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<v Speaker 1>with a photo of Our Lady of Guadaloupe, image bearing

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<v Speaker 1>particular significance to Catholics in Mexico, where an Aztec man

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<v Speaker 1>named Wan Diego so that Mary appeared to him several

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<v Speaker 1>times in visions in fifteen thirty one.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, interesting, Yes, I'm sure how it helps him win

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<v Speaker 4>the presidency, but I think he already has the religious vote,

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<v Speaker 4>which is kind of confusing to make it.

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<v Speaker 1>It is Catholics hold the image to be a miracle

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<v Speaker 1>sign of Mary's love and protection for the America's.

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<v Speaker 4>So he's wishing happy birthday. Good for him, it's his

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<v Speaker 4>softer side. I know his kid's birthdays.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I got it comes days after he announced Catholics

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<v Speaker 1>for Trump, a coalition that his campaign describes as committed

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<v Speaker 1>to safeguarding the vital principles of religious liberty and defending

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<v Speaker 1>family values.

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<v Speaker 4>It's hard to be against that family values. What are

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<v Speaker 4>his family values?

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<v Speaker 5>That's what?

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<v Speaker 4>Because you remember after the Bide sorry, the Harris Walls

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<v Speaker 4>Dana Bash interview, when the takeaway from that is her

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<v Speaker 4>repeating like five times, my positions may have changed, but

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<v Speaker 4>my values haven't changed. So then she never followed up

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<v Speaker 4>by saying, well, what are those values? That would be

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<v Speaker 4>a question for Trump and Harris tomorrow night, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>what are your values?

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<v Speaker 1>I was talking to a friend who is in the

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<v Speaker 1>evangelical community, and I said, break this down for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Does the how does the evangelic. I mean, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>knocking it or what have you. You vote for who

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<v Speaker 1>you want to vote for. But explain it to me

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<v Speaker 1>how the evangelicals have rallied behind Trump when he has

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<v Speaker 1>not shown the best of values, shall we say, through

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<v Speaker 1>the years. And he says to me, while it's kind

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<v Speaker 1>the toilet. And that's how they're kind of looking at Trump,

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and in reading about this, you know, you ask

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't know that that's enough. I don't quite

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<v Speaker 1>understand that that he said it earlier. Some people they don't.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't vote for policy, they vote for a feeling personality. Personality.

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<v Speaker 4>because you know, if you listed traditional Christian values, he

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<v Speaker 2>But would he legislate?

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<v Speaker 1>Would he would he talk out of both sides of

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<v Speaker 1>his mouth in that regard where he doesn't live like that,

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<v Speaker 1>But would he advocate for stronger family values?

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<v Speaker 4>I think so it's he kind of has it both ways,

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<v Speaker 4>yet he's trying to have it both ways, which so

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<v Speaker 1>So the debate is tomorrow, six o'clock our time. Kamala

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<v Speaker 4>Well, that makes sense. I mean, they've all done that

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<v Speaker 4>to some degree except for Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>From my understanding, they even have someone dressing like Donald

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<v Speaker 4>So it's kind of like a an NFL team right

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<v Speaker 4>for the opponent based on their tendencies and history. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>it makes sense. You're not just going to go in

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<v Speaker 1>Out Trump's most self destructive instincts is a priority for

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<v Speaker 1>Kamala Harris, and that is why he in his uh.

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<v Speaker 5>That's why he wanted the microphones off.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why he wanted the microphones off. And that's why

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<v Speaker 1>he needs to be his most controlled self, not to

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<v Speaker 1>like we were saying earlier, and he treats her with

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<v Speaker 4>She needs him to fly off the hand. That's why

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<v Speaker 4>she wanted the mics open, because she wanted that. Excuse me,

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<v Speaker 4>I am speaking now moment. And I also read an

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<v Speaker 4>update that JD. Vance is going to be in the

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<v Speaker 4>spin room. You know, the spin room is the post

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<v Speaker 4>debate comments from the surrogates. Yeah, Vance is going to

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<v Speaker 4>be there, and then that'll be interesting to have him

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<v Speaker 4>on live afterwards. I like the live aspect to all

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<v Speaker 4>of this. Yes, you know, it's it's more unpredictable, more real.

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<v Speaker 4>The debate is going to be somewhat rehearsed. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>let's say it's ninety minutes. They have two minutes answer

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<v Speaker 4>to three minutes, So how many questions can you really

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<v Speaker 5>It's a limited amount, and it's got to all be rehearsed.

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<v Speaker 4>And by rehearsed, I mean from each side anticipating questions

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<v Speaker 4>and then how the other side's going to answer them,

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<v Speaker 4>and then what you're going to say.

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<v Speaker 5>And obviously the major issues that we've talked about before.

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<v Speaker 1>And we'll talk about it tomorrow because we'll be talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the latest and I wanted to talk about you know,

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<v Speaker 1>what do you think the wow? Is there going to

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<v Speaker 1>be a wild card question? And we should also probably

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<v Speaker 1>create a drinking bingo as well. Well you are going

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<v Speaker 1>to be a drinking Thursday morning. But but yeah, the

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<v Speaker 1>stakes are high for this, right, wouldn't you say?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes?

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<v Speaker 4>I'd say they're higher for Harrison for Trump. That's my

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<v Speaker 4>take on it initially, because she's still, you know, we

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<v Speaker 4>know what he is, She's still trying to define herself.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, and we've only seen the choreographed movie of Kamala

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<v Speaker 1>Harriston Walls. So it's going to be off the cuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, she did the interview with Dana Bash, but

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<v Speaker 1>this is going to be truly off the cuff.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>But then again, it's not like she's inexperienced. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>she's been an elected official or her entire adult life

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<v Speaker 4>to the most, she hasn't had great moments off the

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<v Speaker 4>cuff in that way. And I remember the first presidential

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<v Speaker 4>when she ran, you know, four years ago, she dropped

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<v Speaker 5>She had no traction whatsoever.

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<v Speaker 4>So see, this is what's interesting the people that are

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<v Speaker 4>anti Harris that make this point, it's like she went nowhere.

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<v Speaker 5>The first time she ran for president.

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<v Speaker 4>She was selected by Biden for you know, various reasons

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<v Speaker 4>depending on your perspective, merit or not. She's done nothing

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<v Speaker 4>as a vice president. She was put in charge of

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<v Speaker 4>immigration policy incorrectly labeled as the borders are did.

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<v Speaker 5>Nothing on that.

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<v Speaker 4>So Biden flames out in the first Trump debate, and

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<v Speaker 4>now all of a sudden, she's the golden child.

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<v Speaker 5>Right, this is the quote unquote knock on her.

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<v Speaker 4>So this is why tomorrow night she needs to step

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<v Speaker 4>the job.

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<v Speaker 2>Show the math, right, Yeah, I don't want to just

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<v Speaker 2>see the headlines.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to see her dig into something and appear

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<v Speaker 1>to have strength and intelligence so he can stop saying

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<v Speaker 1>that she's not intelligent. Right, that's been a talking point.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think it doesn't many favors. You know how

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<v Speaker 1>much I appreciate it that much? Is that I.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a diehard forty.

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<v Speaker 1>Nine er fan and I'm sitting with you while you're

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<v Speaker 1>wearing Rams insignia and I'm still having a great time,

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<v Speaker 1>and that speaks volumes.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, you have to expand your horizons a little bit.

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<v Speaker 4>I have to expand my horizons, Okay, to talk to

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<v Speaker 4>the enemies, Yeah, exactly. Embrace your enemy, you know. Let's

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<v Speaker 4>put an end to this divisiveness, Okay, Let's come together

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<v Speaker 4>as a nation not be.

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<v Speaker 2>So polarized on opposite sides of the NFC West.

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<v Speaker 5>It is a good looking shirt, that, don't you think

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<v Speaker 5>it is a good looking shirt? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>So Tyreek Hill right, speaking of the NFL. Yes, he

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<v Speaker 2>was arrested or detained or whatever you want to say,

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<v Speaker 2>yesterday right before the game, right outside the stadium.

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<v Speaker 1>It didn't look good. He was put in handcuffs, the

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<v Speaker 1>whole bit. The union representing Miami Dade Police officers have

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<v Speaker 1>issued a statement now saying that Tyreek Hill was uncooperative

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<v Speaker 1>and was only redirected to the ground while in handcuffs

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<v Speaker 1>during his detainment because he refused orders to sit.

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<v Speaker 5>Redirected to the ground. That's a very creative term. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Before the Dolphins game yesterday. Reading from the statement, now,

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<v Speaker 1>an incident occurred where Tyreek Hill was placed in handcuffs

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<v Speaker 2>At no time was he ever under arrest.

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<v Speaker 1>He was briefly detained for officer safety after driving in

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<v Speaker 1>a manner in which he was putting himself and others

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<v Speaker 1>in great danger. Upon being stopped, mister Hill was not

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<v Speaker 1>immediately cooperative with the officers on the scene, who pursue

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<v Speaker 1>into policy and for their immediate safety, placed him in handcuffs.

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<v Speaker 1>He was still uncooperative, refused to sit on the ground,

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<v Speaker 1>and therefore was redirected to the ground. Once the situation

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<v Speaker 1>was sorted out within a few minutes, he was issued

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<v Speaker 5>Is that the end of the story?

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<v Speaker 3>YEP?

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<v Speaker 4>I mean redirected to the ground as one of those

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<v Speaker 4>creative law enforcement terms. Sure, right, redirected to the ground.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean he's driving a McLaren, which I think is

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<v Speaker 4>about a four million dollar car.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're Tyreek Hill, what is this? What is the

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<v Speaker 2>threat to the officers?

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<v Speaker 5>Exactly?

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<v Speaker 2>He doesn't have a weapon on him. Well, if he was,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you don't drive a McLaren on the speed limit.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't drive it twenty five miles an hour or

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<v Speaker 2>what have you your Tyreek Hill.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't walk twenty five miles an hour. Nothing he

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<v Speaker 1>saying this is a racial thing?

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<v Speaker 5>I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I want to know how fast he

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<v Speaker 5>Reckless driving apparently like that. Yeah, when you have that

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, you have to ask yourself what Tom

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>his eighty year prison sentence. What did Bradley do to

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<v Speaker 1>deserve such a long sentence at such a young age. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>they believe that starting when Bradley was fifteen, he founded

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<v Speaker 1>He goes into middle school, faces constant bullying. He was

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<v Speaker 1>that's where he became. As opposed to the isolated, lonely

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<v Speaker 1>social media age.

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<v Speaker 2>Discord. Discord comes up all the time, which he's monster.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And they said that he used discord to cultivate

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, really, the worst of the worst the prosecutor.

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<v Speaker 1>Told the judge at his sentencing last year, very rarely

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<v Speaker 5>And he was sentenced to eighty years.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, apparently there are safeguards on Discord that it's a

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<v Speaker 1>that occurs in private chat rooms. But if you're surrounded

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<v Speaker 1>by these weird sadists and things like that, nobody's going

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<v Speaker 2>Because you're doing bad things too.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, this is one of our theories that we've been

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<v Speaker 4>talking about, right, is the downside of the Internet and.

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<v Speaker 2>Who should be held accountable?

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<v Speaker 1>Should it be the digital platform, should they be Should

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<v Speaker 1>they have the onus to police their platforms?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, they say they do, and this is an example

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<v Speaker 5>of that that he was caught, tried and convicted. But

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<v Speaker 5>is that enough? I mean, and you wonder what else

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<v Speaker 5>goes on that is never brought to their attention.

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<v Speaker 1>Just what I'm saying, what is Discord's responsibility here? You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like Telegram. The CEO arrested in France last month

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<v Speaker 1>on charges that Telegram was enabling distribution of child porn

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<v Speaker 1>images or sex abuse.

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<v Speaker 2>Images, I should say. And so it's just I think again,

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<v Speaker 2>this is something that needs to be right.

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<v Speaker 4>But this again the bigger picture, is this the dark

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<v Speaker 4>side of the Internet, and how teenagers who are bullied

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<v Speaker 4>or troubled or come from a broken family or whatever

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<v Speaker 4>the issue might be, retreat like this article.

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<v Speaker 5>This is an incredible article in the Washington Post. It's

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<v Speaker 5>really like detailed.

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<v Speaker 2>Unis really strong stomach to get through this.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but it's an example of what can happen with

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<v Speaker 4>someone who retreats, as it said, into their bedroom and

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<v Speaker 4>into cyber world.

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<v Speaker 2>It's never good for any of us to retreat into

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<v Speaker 2>a loneliness and a loneeness.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's it's sad because you know, in retrospect, you

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<v Speaker 4>look at it, you say, obvious, this person had signs

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<v Speaker 4>is trouble. The same thing with the with Gray, the

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<v Speaker 4>shooter and Georgia and many others who were in similar situations.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's easy versa look back when we read these

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<v Speaker 4>you know, well researched newspaper articles and say all the

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<v Speaker 4>warning signs were there, you know, But it's not that simple, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, as a parent, how much. Do you know

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<v Speaker 4>what your kid is doing when they're in their room

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<v Speaker 4>on their computer right right now. This is obviously an

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<v Speaker 4>extreme case, but again it goes back to where one

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<v Speaker 4>of our central theories here in KFI, or at least

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<v Speaker 4>one of my central theories, is that when history of

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<v Speaker 4>our time is written, the Internet may turn out to

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<v Speaker 4>be a negative for all of the great things that

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<v Speaker 4>it enables us to do.

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<v Speaker 5>There's there's there's too many ways to abuse.

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<v Speaker 1>It without a doubt, because we're humans and we are

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<v Speaker 1>not perfect people, and left to our devices, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>always the best thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Every once in a while, your Boston accent comes out

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<v Speaker 2>right there.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, when I said Florida, Yeah, yeah, that is weird

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<v Speaker 4>a couple of words.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it comes out on and I love that.

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<v Speaker 2>Austin, Oh, what's a great city.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Egg recall underway in nine states. More than sixty salmonella.

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<v Speaker 2>Cases were reported.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess it's a Wisconsin based Milo's Poultry Farms been

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<v Speaker 1>recalling all eggs branded Milo's Poultry Farms does include California, Virginia, Iowa, Minnesota, Colorado, Utah, California,

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<v Speaker 1>and Michigan, Wisconsin and Illinois.

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<v Speaker 4>Can I give you one other update on the Trump story,

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<v Speaker 4>get it So. In addition to saying that he's going

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<v Speaker 4>to vote to decriminalize small amounts of marijuana and Florida,

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<v Speaker 4>which again is about twenty years behind the times, he

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<v Speaker 4>also said that if he wins in November, his administration

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<v Speaker 4>will quote focus on research to unlock the medical uses

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<v Speaker 4>of marijuana. Again cutting edge concepts. We've had that for

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<v Speaker 4>how long in California?

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<v Speaker 5>About twenty years?

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, hey, you know he's making progress. Sure, one issue

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<v Speaker 4>at a time.

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<v Speaker 1>Beetlejuice, Beetle Juice dominating the Bax office. The sequel to

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<v Speaker 1>that eighty eight hit horror comedy earned one hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>ten million dollars in its opening weekend. I watched the

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<v Speaker 1>original original one recently just to see if.

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<v Speaker 2>It holds up.

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<v Speaker 5>And it does. Yeah, it's great.

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<v Speaker 2>Part of it is does it hold up? Or is

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<v Speaker 2>it just my nostalgia kicking in?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe a little of both. But I happened to be

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<v Speaker 4>a huge Michael Keaton fan. Me too, and I'll watch

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<v Speaker 4>anything that Michael.

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<v Speaker 5>Keaton is in.

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<v Speaker 2>Is he your favorite Batman?

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<v Speaker 5>I wasn't really that.

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<v Speaker 4>Much into the Batman's I liked what he I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not a superhero movie guy, and the MCUs and

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<v Speaker 4>you know, the Mulverine and Tangerine and whatever whatever. But

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<v Speaker 4>I remember, did you ever watch Dope Sick with Michael Keaton?

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<v Speaker 3>Wow?

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<v Speaker 4>He won an Emmy for that well deserved moving Michael Keaton.

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<v Speaker 4>You know you don't if you say, okay, list our

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<v Speaker 4>top ten actors in the country right now, you don't

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<v Speaker 4>necessarily put Michael Keaton on that list, but maybe you should.

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<v Speaker 5>So good for him.

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<v Speaker 4>On Beetlejuice beetled all the way, I thought, maybe they

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<v Speaker 4>got to come up with a better title for the sequel.

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<v Speaker 4>When was the last time you went to a movie

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<v Speaker 4>in a movie theater?

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<v Speaker 2>I went after we were allowed back out in the wild.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I hated it because I during the pandemic,

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<v Speaker 1>I got used to watching things at home and streaming

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<v Speaker 1>things and being able to hit pause or what have you.

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<v Speaker 1>And when I went to the first movie after the pandemic, people.

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<v Speaker 2>Do not know how to act. I mean they're talking

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<v Speaker 2>the whole.

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<v Speaker 1>Time, they're on their phones, they're yelling things at the

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<v Speaker 1>I think Barbie was the last Barby I went to,

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<v Speaker 1>but that was like a premiere also, so everyone was

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<v Speaker 1>called Pressed Up, and.

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<v Speaker 4>Now I miss going to the movies. I think the

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<v Speaker 4>last movie I maybe saw him the big screen was

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<v Speaker 4>like Oppenheimer. Okay, like in three D Imax super Duper.

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<v Speaker 4>I think a Man's Chinese Theater or whatever whatever it's called.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, let's not sleep on the Dream Team from nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>eighty nine with Michael Keaton.

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<v Speaker 5>Wow, I'd have to go back and look at that one.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I loved him as Batman, all right, anyway, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>So I saw this as kind of cute. It's in

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<v Speaker 1>People magazine and it's a four sentence obituary. This is

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<v Speaker 1>it's gone viral. The daughter wrote it for a woman

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<v Speaker 1>now by the name of Florence goes By Flow Harrelson,

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<v Speaker 1>sixty five. It says Flow Harrelson, sixty five, formerly of Chelsea,

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<v Speaker 1>died without family by her side due to burnt bridges

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<v Speaker 1>and a wake of destruction left in her path. Florence

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<v Speaker 1>did not want an obituary or anyone, including family, to

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<v Speaker 1>know she died. That's because even in depth, she wanted

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<v Speaker 1>those she terrorized to still be living in fear, looking

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<v Speaker 1>over their shoulders. So this isn't so much an obituary

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<v Speaker 1>but a public service announcement.

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<v Speaker 5>From the daughter. From the daughter, it's a lot of

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<v Speaker 5>love in that family, huh.

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<v Speaker 1>She says she hasn't spoken to her mom in a decade.

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<v Speaker 1>She only discovered what had happened after a discussion with

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<v Speaker 1>a friend about how things were too quiet around town lately.

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<v Speaker 2>It's from me, right right.

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<v Speaker 1>She said that her mom took sport in ruining every

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<v Speaker 1>birthday in Chrismis played cruel pranks on her when she

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<v Speaker 1>was little, taking her to the top of a bridge,

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<v Speaker 1>having her and her partner grabbed the daughter's legs and

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<v Speaker 1>arms and act like they were going to throw her

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<v Speaker 1>into the water below. The daughter says, I still can't

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<v Speaker 1>drive over a bridge without getting an anxiety attack.

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<v Speaker 2>See, it's a good thing this daughter didn't have access

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<v Speaker 2>to a computer as a young child. Exactly.

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<v Speaker 5>She knows how she would have turned up.

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<v Speaker 1>But I like it when obituaries are honest, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>instead of she she lit up every room she walked into.

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<v Speaker 2>She was kind of an a hole.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, but this one, I mean was taken to extreme.

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<v Speaker 4>This isn't so much an obituary, but more of a

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<v Speaker 4>public service announcement that she's did.

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<v Speaker 5>I love it. That's from people dot com. Also, you

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<v Speaker 5>never know what you find.

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<v Speaker 2>Michael Keaton Pacific Heights nineteen ninety.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, great movie. Yeah that was that was frightening, right,

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<v Speaker 4>it was terrifying. I still keep coming back to dope

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<v Speaker 4>sic though. What a story that was and what a

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<v Speaker 4>what a performance that was by him. I've gone down

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<v Speaker 4>the Michael Keaton hole.

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<v Speaker 5>Now what else you got?

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<v Speaker 2>Didn't know he was in Dumbo? Did?

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<v Speaker 5>What about the one?

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<v Speaker 4>Remember the one about McDonald's. Yes, the founder, the founder. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>that was really interesting and well done. All right, all right,

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<v Speaker 4>I mean I love going to the movies. I really

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<v Speaker 4>missed that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>My wife and I would go to the Arc Light

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<v Speaker 4>in Hollywood all the time, which is to me, it's

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<v Speaker 4>like a crime that that is not open, I know.

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<v Speaker 4>And the Cinerama Dome, which is like a national landmark

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<v Speaker 4>really and you drive by there and it's like boarded up.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like, with all the money in Hollywood, you think

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<v Speaker 4>someone would want to get those going.

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<v Speaker 2>Again, we're isolating. We're still isolating. What's going on.

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<v Speaker 5>You've been listening to the Gary and Shannon Show.

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