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Speaker 1: You are now listening to soft core History. What is up?

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Welcome back to soft Core History. I am your host

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for the week, Rob Fox, joined as always by Dan Jester.

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Speaker 2: I'm ready to spring Ford.

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Speaker 1: I forgot about it. My wife woke me up at ten, and, uh.

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Speaker 2: You felt like a dick because you slept in so long.

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Speaker 1: I guess. I was like. She was like, Rob, it's ten,

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and I was like, don't fucking feel like ten.

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Speaker 2: Well didn't, and that's why I'd lost an hour.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know that. I just forgottenuntil until later that day.

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Speaker 2: Basically, no, I'm just feeling aggressive. I want to spring

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at you, just attack you.

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Speaker 1: Please don't. I got to sprained my calf. Today they're

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not sprained, Uh, cramped it cramped up.

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Speaker 2: Real bad man, forty years old. Never looks so good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't run on an incline on a treatment.

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I guess when you haven't been running in a while.

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Speaker 2: Talk on incline. Let's how you burn more fat. Walk

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on incline like a steady pace.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't give that a shot. I've just been

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fucking sprinting.

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Speaker 2: Dog put it up to like fifteen and then probably

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like a three to five. Good to go. That's the

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fat burning zone right there. Hell yeah, when I was

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your free fitness tip of the day.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. This episode is brought to you by nothing

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to do with fitness. Actually, we have a really cool

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episode today. This I mentioned a couple of weeks ago

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when I did a Pacific Theater episode. It's really cool.

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Watch company Persadus waschco. They do a lot of military

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theme watches and stuff like that. They actually have a

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really cool Dirty Dozen thing on their site right now.

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But they hit us up because they have a really

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cool Ewajima themed watch for the for the anniversary of

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it that I will get into it later, but I

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just wanted to talk about a top because you.

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Speaker 2: Can see it behind Rob's.

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Speaker 1: The box right here with a little mount Serbaci flag raising.

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It's a really cool watch. They hit us up of

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the blue. They were just like, we think you have

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a cool podcast. We do history themed stuff and we

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thought it would be a great fit. Highly recommend if

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you're into this specific watch or any of their watches.

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They have a lot of cool just like bare bones

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kind of like military watches that are kind of sick,

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like that's my style. If I'm not wearing an Apple Watch,

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so very very thankful to them. I'll get more into

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the details in the mid role, but I highly recommend

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listening to it because it's like a very interesting company

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that I didn't know about, and I'm so glad they

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reached out because now I'm just like balls deep.

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Speaker 2: In their catalog hashtag spawn con Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yep, Hey, we're all spunk, all Connispond in some degree, Yes, yeah,

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all Connospond. This is a charity.

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Speaker 2: It used to be.

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Speaker 1: It's almost a charity, it used to be. Yeah, it's

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goddamn near a charity. There are charities that make more

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money than us.

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Speaker 2: I actually wish we operated more like a charity where

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we as employees got paid, yes, and it was all

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tax free. M hmm.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we should be a chair some sort of religious charity.

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Speaker 2: We are in LLC, but there's a way we can

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kind of fanangle this to be a church in the

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state of Texas. No doubt we have a cult.

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Speaker 1: Got to be if Satan can have a check with

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followers to a degree, Yeah, the softies more than more

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than a cult would have.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. Some of the cults we've spoken

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about on this program.

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Speaker 1: It's like forty of them forty people, there's at.

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Speaker 2: Least sixty people to listen to the show.

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Speaker 1: Well, there's more than listen to it, but there's like

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sixty to eighty really dedicated dudes.

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Speaker 2: Okay, guy that is trying to sell the watch, I'm

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under selling it for comic effect.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay, fair enough. Yeah, yea, yea, yeah, yeah,

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you did not enough.

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Speaker 2: If you want to sponsor the show, there's more than

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sixty people, a little a.

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Speaker 1: Lot more than sixty to listen to it, but there's

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like sixty to eighty who would join our cult immediately,

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like without.

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Speaker 2: That are in the discord. Yeah, yeah, that's part of

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the reason you joined the Patreon. Pictureon dot com slash

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Softcore History two additional episodes every week, plus you can

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join the discord.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 2: We're building a community and a future cult.

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Speaker 1: A future cult can be a sex cult. It'd be gay.

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But just because there's only dudes.

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Speaker 2: It's not history. Yeah, and it's our audience. We've seen

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the metrics. Yeah we know ninety eight guys, yeah, yep, yep.

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But anyway, I got a pop top to get the

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female audience up. You do, and well it would just

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bring the gaze. It would it would it would only

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be the gay Yeah, and our male audience would actually

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go up.

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Speaker 1: Whatever. Dude, gays got money to spend, Give me some dinks.

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Speaker 2: I'm fine with that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, get me some dinks in here'll they'll they'll buy everything.

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Speaker 2: If I have to queer bait, I will.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. But let's get to this week's episode. It is

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Pacific Theater themed in honor of the Perses. Watch that

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we'll talk about later.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, just gets the episode. We can also just

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do a World War two history episode.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I wanted to do Pacific again because,

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like I said, I've said before, my grandfather always who

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was in the Pacific, always complaining that was the real forgotten.

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Speaker 2: Did he get drafted? No, okay, no, he volunteered, gotcha.

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Speaker 1: But he didn't. He didn't go till forty four because

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he's in med school and they.

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Speaker 2: Were like, I'm very much still in that age range

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I might get drafted. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Both my grandparents were in the third in their thirties

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when they were in the war thirty four. I think

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was the one in the Battle of the Bulge and

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then my Robert Fox Senior was maybe like thirty maybe

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twenty eight.

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Speaker 2: So if this I ran stuff keeps popping off, Oh yeah,

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you're in the danger zone. You might have to find

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another although although the rest in.

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Speaker 1: Peace to the soldiers that were killed, as you pointed

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Speaker 2: He's forty two. Yeah, yeah, he was a mechanic.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because he was just it was just a basic guy.

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Speaker 2: Somebody was trying to dunk on him for his physical appearance.

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Speaker 1: They come in all shapes and size.

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Speaker 2: He was a bigger fella. It's like, man, he was

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a mechanic. He's not working on the base on the

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front lines.

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Speaker 1: I don't think fighter pilots are kind of old too,

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like so that fight maybe not fighter pilots, but a

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lot of pilots are in their forties.

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Speaker 2: They're tiny, right, depends on the plane in order to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it depends depends on the plane. But yeah,

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but today we're going to talk about the watch is

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Ewajima themed and I feel like that battle has been

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done ad nauseum. So I want to do a battle

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that I believe.

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Speaker 2: They ever watched Letters from Me Regema uh in Eastwood.

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Speaker 1: Classic well, he did two eu Agema movies.

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Speaker 2: I know, I didn't watch the other one.

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Speaker 1: Flags Our Fathers that was the first one.

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Speaker 2: And then was it a double feature?

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Speaker 1: So a really interesting story about that.

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Speaker 2: Was it like the Tarantino Robert Rodriguez double feature kind of?

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Speaker 1: But so I think Eastwood had no intention of doing

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Speaker 2: Was it called Grindhouse?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, and then it was Planet Terror and I

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don't fore forget the other one. But Eastwood was only

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going to do Flags of Our Fathers, which was about

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again you can see it on the watchbox, the flag

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raising at Mount Surabaci and how like all those dudes

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died like eight days later, like except for like one

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because Eva Gema was a nightmare. But Eastwood, this is

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like the last person you would expect to hear about this,

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if you don't, if you just only read things about

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Clint Eastwood. Eastwood was so like touched by how shitty

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of an experience it was for the Japanese as well. Yeah,

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that he just decided to follow it up with what

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ended up I think being the better movie in letters.

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Speaker 2: Of the Japanese perspective, Yeah, which you don't get a

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lot of no, no, I mean, how many historical war

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movies do you get the losing perspective? Well, okay, here's

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a better quite on the Western Front.

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Speaker 1: How many how many war movies do you get the

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like almost like the bad guy perspective, because there's different

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between losing perspective and bad guy perspective. Right World War One,

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the Germans they not bad guys.

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Speaker 2: Will Helm's a dick, but he had a tiny ham

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who isn't you know? Really the French. The French were

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the biggest dicks of World War One in my opinion.

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Speaker 1: Why they just were. I'm not gonna argue. I just

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was just wondering, Well.

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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna blame them for being a little upset

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at the Germans for totally wreaking havoc on their country.

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Speaker 1: Beffing them forty years earlier in the Franco Prussian warr

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the treaty ever, saw, I mean, it was just

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a revenge treaty at that point.

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Speaker 2: Even Woodrow Wilson's like, come on, Guss, that's that's a lot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And they're like, get to the fuck out the field,

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Speaker 2: And then, of course, you know, kind of creates the

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circumstances for Hitler to rise the power. Oh it France

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created Hitler.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, kind of. They set the stage when you make

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a man desperate. In that desperation, they turned to it man.

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Speaker 2: Did he find a ruby the saws of a grapefruit?

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Speaker 1: Tangerine? Yeah, playing child was playing with a ruby the

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songs of a tangerine.

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Speaker 2: Damn it, I got the line wrong.

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Speaker 1: It's uh, grapefruit is not British enough.

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Speaker 2: You're right, tangerine the prison don't even know what a

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Speaker 1: No, no, but uh oh, I was gonna say, but

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from the bad bad like bad guy side, you don't

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really get like a German POV or a Japanese PV,

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or you get some Confederate POV.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess I do, like the Confederate States of America.

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That uh docu Machi series documentary.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, that is that is such a good

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commercials make it. It should have been it should have

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been bigger. But we're gonna talk about another battle in

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the Pacific Theater that I think was even worse than

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E Regima, arguably in large part because it ended up

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you're gonna hear all these details, and I don't even

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want to save it for the end. It ended up

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not being useful, like it ended up being totally unnecessary

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to have had this battle.

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Speaker 2: I feel like that's a lot of battles.

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Speaker 1: Maybe, but this one was one of the most horrific

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things I ever about, and I knew a little bit

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about it, which talk about the Battle of Palelou today,

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which featured the first Marine Division and the eighty first

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US Army eighty first Infantry Division. It is portrayed in

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The Pacific, which I think is vastly underrated. But I

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don't even think the Pacific does this justice. Like the

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Pacific that if the Pacific had done this battle justice

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you would it would have been unwatchable. This these this

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Speaker 2: The Pacific is so good it makes Remy Malik be digestible.

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Speaker 1: I remember that you were arguing forever that you hate

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a Remy Maulic, and like I was, like, just watch The.

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Speaker 2: Pacific is a bad Bond villain too.

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Speaker 1: He has the perfect look for a pond villain. He

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does like that vacant like.

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Speaker 2: Missed the pond. Nice to see you. It's like a

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poison merchant.

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Speaker 1: I fucking knows it's got like nanobots killing pants. It

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wasn't a great Bond movie.

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Speaker 2: Little tear came down my eye though, when I saw

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Daniel Craig look up into the sky eat those missiles. Well,

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I don't want to ruin the surprise.

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Speaker 1: It's like five years old. Ten years is the rule? Okay,

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all right, fair enough.

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Speaker 2: Make sure to cut that out future Dan, I won't.

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Speaker 1: The Battle of Palelu featured Uh. They were trying to

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basically take the this this island that had an airfield,

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and they thought it would be end up being useful

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except pretty much immediately after it was over, MacArthur was like,

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I'm a pivot and the island became useless and everything

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that happened on it became not worth.

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Speaker 2: Anything that happened, you know what's going on with the

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island now with it's just.

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Speaker 1: That it's a shithole coral island like it, there's no

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The only useful thing too, it was that there was

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a fucking airfield.

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Speaker 2: On it, yeah, a place to land.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And then they ended up not really using the airfield.

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Otherwise they would have just bypassed it, which is what

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they should have done. So the commander of the First

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Marine Division, Major General William Rupertis, he was like, this

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island's tiny, not defended super heavily. We're gonna take it

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in four days. Never what you want to hear going

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into a battle or war. Home by Christmas.

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Speaker 2: It's a slam duck.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, home bike, You're never home by Christmas. Now, unbeknownst

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to the Americans, the Japanese who had been, you know,

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taking it on the fucking Chin. This is nineteen forty four.

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They've been taking it on the Chin, los An Island

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after island, and they were like, I think we need

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to adjust our tactics on how we defend these islands.

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And they did. This battle takes place from September fifteenth

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to November twenty seventh, nineteen forty four. Like I said,

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US Army eighty, first Intry Division and the First Marine

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Division fought to take an airfield. It's a small coral island,

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like a real just gnarly, and we'll get into the

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we'll get into the what do you call it, the

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terrain of it. So the defenders. The Japanese defenders of

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this island put up such an insane resistance. Why because

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they're fucking crazy.

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Speaker 2: They're fucking Japanese pointless island. Oh no, they don't care

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give up the airfield.

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Speaker 1: Well, the Japanese at this point, and probably even a

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year before this point, if not since the Battle of Midway,

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have pretty much had I think one goal because they

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knew they couldn't win, win, right, So it's essentially what

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they were trying to do was fight to some sort

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of stupe to make the level of blood for the

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Americans too much to bear, the horror of the fight

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too much to bear, so that the American public us

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fickle bitches. We're really the reason we've any war we've

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lost or not done well in. It's because of the

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American public.

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Speaker 2: It's the backlash.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's our biggest weakness. All of our enemies know

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the same thing, which is they'll get antsy.

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Speaker 2: Do you think Iran's doing that right now?

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Speaker 1: I have anything left I do. Yeah, I mean they

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know or think we're not gonna put boots on the ground,

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so that's a big advantage for them. But we'll see

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what happens with that. So the but the Japanese put

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up such an insane resistance that the island became known

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as Emperor's Island because they were all dying for you know,

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the Emperor.

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Speaker 2: Obviously Helen Keller's best friend. Yes, yeah, Helen.

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Speaker 1: Keller's best friend. Emperor here he do.

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Speaker 2: Bad woman not talked about enough. Bad Woman also pretty

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much exposed over the last year. What I'm hearing, we're vindicated.

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Speaker 1: You have to get an episode on that, like just

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updating the fact he.

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Speaker 2: Already did it. We said what needed to be said.

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We would just be rehashing our takes.

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Speaker 1: Fair enough, I mean, we said she definitely didn't fly

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that plane.

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Speaker 2: But apparently she could sort of see and hear.

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Speaker 1: Also she eugenicis stole.

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Speaker 2: A bunch of books, like just she played your eyes?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah yeah. Can you plage your eyes if

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you're not aware of the world around you? But she was.

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Speaker 2: The whole thing was a fake.

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Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough, So Palelu. How many Japanese people do

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you think we're Japanese soldiers? Do you think we're defending

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the island?

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna say twelve hundred.

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Speaker 1: You're not bad. It was less than ten thousand. That's bad.

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Speaker 2: It's not even close twelve hundred, but it's it's nine thousands,

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like crazy giant battle like the Battle of the Bulge

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or something, right where you've got hundreds of thousands of

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soldiers going at each other. They were just trying to

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add some glory to your grandfather.

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Speaker 1: He wasn't a pale lou no. The Bulge, oh.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it was just had to slip that.

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Speaker 1: It was literally the largest battle in US Army history.

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Whatever you want to say, did that's that's a fact.

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Speaker 2: Just keep stroking your dead grandpa.

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Speaker 1: Just it's just a fact, totally tell you. So, there

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was a fifty five hundred Japanese soldiers, about four thousand

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naval naval troops with fifteen hundred of them were also

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infantry or trained for infantry. So about the tactics. Previously,

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the Japanese would put up pretty pretty good resistance on

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the beaches, right, kind of a D Day situation.

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Speaker 2: You'd lay in a lot of machine gun under fire, artillery.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but they quickly, and I guess not quickly, but

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they did finally realize they were like, you know, when

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we put a lot of people on the beach, the

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Americans tend to roll up with like five aircraft carriers

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and like ten battleships and destroyers and frigates and just

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turn the beach into a flaming hole.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, kill a lot of us.

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Speaker 1: So finally they were like, all right, let's let's do

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something different. We're gonna let them. We're gonna offer a

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token resistance on the beach, but we're gonna hide in

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the hills.

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Speaker 2: Did Japan have a ton of submarines.

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Speaker 1: They had a decent amount.

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Speaker 2: Never hear about them. I only hear about like the

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U boats.

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Speaker 1: That's because U boat it's a sexier term. But I mean,

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you know, a Japanese submarine was responsible for probably one

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of the most famous horrific things that happened in the war,

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the US s Indianapolis.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you remember that now.

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Speaker 1: So the US s Indianapolis was the boat that took

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the atomic bombs to where they needed to go to

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get loaded onto the planes. And it was on the

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way back. And because this was so top secret, it

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never reported its position to anyone. No one. It was

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like no one. They didn't want anything intercepted about it.

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This was just a secret crew. And it got got

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by a Japanese submarine and sunk and no one knew

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it was where it was, and a bunch of sailors

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survived and then spent the next couple of weeks getting

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eaten by sharks.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that rings a bell. Now do you recall the

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famous now imagine if the nukes were still on it? Yeah,

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much different story.

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Speaker 1: Yep. Do you recall the famous speech in Jaws? Black

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like a dollar's eyes, right, don't even think they're alive

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to they roll over white and bite you.

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Speaker 2: I haven't seen Jaws in twenty years, but yes.

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Speaker 1: He is recounting his experience on the USS Indianapolis. Gotcha. Yeah.

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Or if you want arguably a better version of that speech,

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watch it's always Sonny in Philadelphia, where Charlie does it

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about a rat about rats.

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Speaker 2: I think that's a better way to go about it

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either way.

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Speaker 1: So Peleelu had like horrorrrific terrain, very easy to defend,

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very difficult to attack, like steep coral ridges, rough hills,

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all this stuff. So the Japanese commander essentially made like

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a honeycomb of caves and tunnels inside the hills, all interconnected.

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It was. It was an excellent There are a bunch

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of fortified bunkers. It was an incredible defensive system, really innovative,

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all that stuff.

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Speaker 2: Who was the queen Bee, Colonel Nakagawa, so.

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Speaker 1: Weirdly in this too. They did still do it in

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this battle, but they were like, hey, guys, we got

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to stop Bonzi charging so much. They have like machine

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guns and semi automatic rifles. Running at them is not working.

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Speaker 2: At least do like a zigzag motion. Don't run in

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a straight line, Like.

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Speaker 1: We need to rethink this, Like, let's only use it

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when we're really it can't be our plan a. So

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they didn't. They were They really were like, don't Bonzie

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charge unless you have to, unless you really feel like it.

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Speaker 2: Great name though, great brands. Oh yeah, Bonzai charge.

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Speaker 1: Bonzi charge, kamikaze, Right, it's so much better than suicide

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bomber or I don't know, bum rushing a machine gun nest.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, run into your death.

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Speaker 1: So again, like I said, these changing tactics were all

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about getting the United States into a war of attrition,

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getting us just tired of it, and hopefully the Japanese

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can just retain some level of their empire in America.

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Will be like god, fine, if.

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Speaker 2: You think about it though. That was the most extreme

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elimination challenge, the Bonzie Charge.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I think it's inspired every Japanese game show

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to present bring it back. So the Japanese had altered

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their tactics for this battle. The Americans have not whatsoever,

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did not think by Christmas. Yeah, did not have a plan. B.

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We're just like, we're gonna do what we're gonna do.

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And this was even after a previous battle where the

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Japanese had basically done what they were going to do

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on Peleelu and uh. The US suffered three thousand casualties,

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which was a lot for a battle of that size,

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and they were just.

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Speaker 2: Like, hey, we got bodies we want we won.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we got bodies.

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Speaker 2: We had a bunch of Italians that we're trying to

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get rid of.

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Speaker 1: Irish don't love them. No, if we could cut down

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on the Catholic popular I think that's why everyone in

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a World War two movie you rarely find even though

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it was a Protestant country, it's always.

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Speaker 2: You get a ton of crucifixes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's always guidos and mix.

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Speaker 2: Just saying the hal Marys and the our fathers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh So going into the battle.

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Speaker 2: Huh did we crack a code there? What they were

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trying to get rid of our people?

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Speaker 1: It was Catholic eugenics.

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Speaker 2: It was a Catholic genocide. Yeah, war.

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Speaker 1: Is that on your little conspiracy theory chart? Oh?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I do have a little conspiracy chart that has

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every conspiracy in the world on here.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna find a spot for it.

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Speaker 2: The Great Awakening. Yeah, I gotta figure out where to

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put this on set. But you know, if you really

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scroll in, you can see everything. It's very tiny.

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Speaker 1: Thought it's good. Yeah. Well, if you wanted it to

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be a readable it'd have to be the size of

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a fucking like car dealership American flag.

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Speaker 2: And if you want to add something to this set,

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feel free to send it to Rob's work because I'm

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not giving out my address.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't need a po box at some point.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we get big enough when we have more

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than sixty people.

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Speaker 1: So the Americans roll up to Pale lou and they

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of course bomb the shit out of it, battleships, aircraft carriers,

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so on and so forth. The Americans were like, well,

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I think we crushed it. The Admiral Rear Admiral Jesse

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Oldendorf was like, we ran out of targets.

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Speaker 2: I think we could everything, but they're all underground.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but they were pretty much all underground. Most of

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the Japanese soldiers had survived. Uh. Even the battalion that

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was left to defend the beaches was pretty much unscathed

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because they were just hiding underground. They knew it was

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gonna happen, Like he knew exactly what was gonna happen, in.

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Speaker 2: The words of Admiral Akbar. But Crop Coprop, he gets

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00:23:28,519 --> 00:23:31,160
so much love and so much play. He's in like

471
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:32,200
three scenes, isn't he.

472
00:23:32,759 --> 00:23:36,279
Speaker 1: Yeah. A lot of people in those movies that are like, like,

473
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:37,519
Boba Fett's barely in it.

474
00:23:37,759 --> 00:23:40,359
Speaker 2: I know people were like upsetsed this whole universe around.

475
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:41,680
Speaker 1: Yeah.

476
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:43,559
Speaker 2: Isn't the prequels though.

477
00:23:45,079 --> 00:23:47,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they expand him on them. But in the

478
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:52,359
original three when everyone like nuts over him, he's just

479
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:54,359
like barely there. It doesn't he gets eaten.

480
00:23:54,759 --> 00:23:55,359
Speaker 2: Kind of sucks.

481
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,279
Speaker 1: Actually he doesn't get eaten. They wreckcon to that what

482
00:23:58,599 --> 00:24:01,079
he climbs out of the black pit. In the show,

483
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:02,960
there's a show Boba fed on Disney pluff.

484
00:24:03,079 --> 00:24:03,559
Speaker 2: That's stupid.

485
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:05,519
Speaker 1: It's not good I didn't like it.

486
00:24:05,799 --> 00:24:09,359
Speaker 2: No, well it's ip. You can't kill off a character

487
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:10,119
that has good IP.

488
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:12,599
Speaker 1: Yeah. I do appreciate that they used the actor who

489
00:24:12,759 --> 00:24:15,000
was the clone in all the Clone War in the

490
00:24:15,039 --> 00:24:17,920
Clone Wars film, right to keep it consistent.

491
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:22,400
Speaker 2: We release clones, but for the draft, just have clones.

492
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, we need their clone armies. What are we doing

493
00:24:25,039 --> 00:24:28,039
so the Marines land on September fifteenth, they're having droids,

494
00:24:28,079 --> 00:24:31,799
We have clones. Yeah, the Marines land on September fifteenth.

495
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,440
As the landing craft approached the beaches and the Marines

496
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:40,319
got on shore, the Japanese just popped out and let

497
00:24:40,519 --> 00:24:46,079
fucking loose with artillery and machine guns. They were on

498
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,480
all the flanks. I mean, it was a horrific crossfire.

499
00:24:48,519 --> 00:24:51,680
And this isn't even much. Many guys defending it's it's bad.

500
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,799
Losses on White Beach one in particular, were really bad.

501
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,920
A tank crewman recalled, when the tide went out that night,

502
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,240
you could have walked three hundred yards across the each

503
00:25:00,319 --> 00:25:02,359
on the bodies of dead Marines. He's like, there's no oh,

504
00:25:02,559 --> 00:25:05,400
no ground, Like it was just dead marines everywhere.

505
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,200
Speaker 2: No more blood than water.

506
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll get into that because it gets this thing

507
00:25:11,799 --> 00:25:15,519
gets gross real fast. And the first reason it was

508
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:20,599
gross is because despite the fact, well September, but even

509
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:25,440
all the way through November, temperatures on this god forsaken

510
00:25:25,559 --> 00:25:30,720
desert island were between one oh five and one fifteen. Yeah,

511
00:25:30,839 --> 00:25:32,119
with one hundred percent humidity.

512
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 2: And you're getting off the boats, you're stepping on all

513
00:25:35,079 --> 00:25:37,680
the coral. There's a couple of sea urchins or something.

514
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:39,359
Oh the coral.

515
00:25:39,839 --> 00:25:43,440
Speaker 1: That's another thing. The coral did two things. A rips

516
00:25:43,799 --> 00:25:46,440
It rips you up. It rips you up. You can't

517
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,519
dig into it. It was even ripping there like boots

518
00:25:48,559 --> 00:25:49,200
apart and shit.

519
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:53,119
Speaker 2: That's why I don't support saving the Great Coral Reef. No,

520
00:25:54,559 --> 00:25:57,640
that thing, if it had its opportunity, it cuts you up.

521
00:25:57,799 --> 00:25:58,799
Speaker 1: It's just a living rock.

522
00:25:58,920 --> 00:25:59,880
Speaker 2: It would slice you up.

523
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 1: Kill it.

524
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:02,279
Speaker 2: No, it's a living knife.

525
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:06,279
Speaker 1: Really, it is a living knife. Yeah, it's a sentient knife.

526
00:26:07,279 --> 00:26:11,519
The coral rock was also really really good at absorbing

527
00:26:12,839 --> 00:26:16,960
heat from the sun, and at night it would radiate

528
00:26:17,039 --> 00:26:19,680
it all back off of itself, so the temperature didn't

529
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:20,519
really drop at night.

530
00:26:20,559 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 2: If you were on the ground or in the ground,

531
00:26:22,039 --> 00:26:23,799
which the water glow all were that.

532
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. If the water glows

533
00:26:26,079 --> 00:26:26,319
like that.

534
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 2: Bay in Puerto Rico, I think that's is that like

535
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:31,640
micro organism.

536
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,799
Speaker 1: It's that's plankton or yeah, yeah, not plain.

537
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:36,319
Speaker 2: I don't know if I had a similar effect.

538
00:26:36,519 --> 00:26:38,279
Speaker 1: What's the what's the plant that makes most of our

539
00:26:38,319 --> 00:26:41,079
oxygens in the water, that's what glows. It's above my

540
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:46,160
peg alga or something. I don't know, don't care. By

541
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,240
the fourth day of the battle, there were as many

542
00:26:49,319 --> 00:26:51,559
heat casualties as there were combat casualties.

543
00:26:52,599 --> 00:26:55,319
Speaker 2: Send out a bunch of like seventy year old geriatrics.

544
00:26:56,359 --> 00:27:00,400
Speaker 1: It was just that fucking hot. And here's the other I.

545
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:04,279
Speaker 2: Mean, that's what happens every summer in Texas, Arizona, New Mexico.

546
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:06,759
The olds get out of their car in the midst

547
00:27:06,799 --> 00:27:08,440
of summer, and some don't make it to.

548
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 1: The door from their driveway.

549
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, they'll fall and they just kind of like sizzle

550
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,759
like an egg on the pavement.

551
00:27:15,839 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 1: Just like old wet meat cooking.

552
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,880
Speaker 2: And that's how a lot of those guys go out. Yeah, uh,

553
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:24,119
your grandpa cooks.

554
00:27:25,039 --> 00:27:30,519
Speaker 1: The men were also extremely dehydrated, in large part.

555
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:36,279
Speaker 2: Because they brought water for four days no, but.

556
00:27:36,319 --> 00:27:37,640
Speaker 1: You know what they brought their water in. You know

557
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,480
what the US military was shipping water in in the.

558
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:44,519
Speaker 2: Pacific, something that would get really hot.

559
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 1: Uh no, worse Well, actually they probably did get really hot,

560
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,279
but that's not what did it. They would just put

561
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,400
put All the water was just kept in old oil

562
00:27:53,519 --> 00:27:56,160
drums that they didn't do a great job cleaning. So

563
00:27:56,279 --> 00:27:58,359
like gasoline, big gasoline drums.

564
00:27:58,559 --> 00:28:00,799
Speaker 2: I could get down with that. I love this all gasoline.

565
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:02,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it's not great to drink, you.

566
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,759
Speaker 2: Know, link I just kind of like jacked up, jazzed up.

567
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,519
Speaker 1: I don't so these dudes could barely drink the water.

568
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:13,000
Fuel not for human that is rip fuel, not for humans.

569
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,079
These dudes could barely drink the water. It's like making

570
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,440
them puke and shit. And if they did get it down,

571
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,480
then they've got oil in their tummies and they're having diarrhea,

572
00:28:23,519 --> 00:28:24,960
so they're dehydrated as fuck.

573
00:28:25,319 --> 00:28:30,519
Speaker 2: Diarrhea in a war zone doesn't sound ideal. Uh, getting

574
00:28:30,559 --> 00:28:34,240
got while you're just squatting down with a runny pooh

575
00:28:34,279 --> 00:28:34,680
coming out.

576
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,319
Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, I would like you to also keep in

577
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:39,599
mind that.

578
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,079
Speaker 2: If you saw your enemy taking a shit, would you

579
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,079
fire on him or would you give them the courtesy,

580
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,240
that's a freebie. I think i'd give them, you know,

581
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,160
some time, not at this battle gets settled.

582
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,559
Speaker 1: Maybe there maybe some battles. Yeah, not at this battle.

583
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 2: Okay, you got to take every.

584
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:53,759
Speaker 1: Guy you fucking can.

585
00:28:54,079 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 2: Like, I would obviously eventually take them prison or shoot them,

586
00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:58,640
but I would let them finish.

587
00:28:59,079 --> 00:29:02,559
Speaker 1: That is a scene in some it might be being

588
00:29:02,599 --> 00:29:04,119
of brothers. Yeah, it's band of brothers. They catch a

589
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:05,119
German like taking a ship.

590
00:29:05,799 --> 00:29:06,319
Speaker 2: Let them live.

591
00:29:06,799 --> 00:29:11,319
Speaker 1: Well, they capture them. But yeah, okay, yeah, so yeah,

592
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,119
these dudes were just shipping their pants.

593
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 2: It's just a state of vulnerability that we can all

594
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:15,839
relate to.

595
00:29:17,319 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 1: HM.

596
00:29:17,599 --> 00:29:19,039
Speaker 2: It connects us on a human level.

597
00:29:20,119 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 1: It goes yeah, it goes deep. It's pretty it's pretty

598
00:29:22,599 --> 00:29:24,000
rough to do that to a person.

599
00:29:24,519 --> 00:29:27,559
Speaker 2: I've thought about it too. I sleep naked every night.

600
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,119
Somebody breaks into my house and I have to fight

601
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,640
a person naked. That is like my biggest nightmare.

602
00:29:34,279 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 1: It might be their biggest nightmare.

603
00:29:37,039 --> 00:29:38,759
Speaker 2: That's gonna that's how you counter it. Yeah, they have

604
00:29:38,839 --> 00:29:40,440
they have a weapon, but I'm naked.

605
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: And that's gonna. That buys you two seconds.

606
00:29:43,759 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 2: Right, They have a knife for a gun and I

607
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:46,400
just have a hog.

608
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it buys you two seconds of their shock.

609
00:29:50,079 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, or like it's comedic either way, you know, if

610
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:59,119
it's a cold night, yeah, it's all you know, afraid it's.

611
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 1: An acorn.

612
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,839
Speaker 2: And they just laugh. Yeah, and then you attack and

613
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,039
then you attack. So yeah, I think being naked in

614
00:30:07,119 --> 00:30:09,759
the fight against the home invader beneficial.

615
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 1: And as they're bleeding out, tug on it to let

616
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:13,359
them know, like, hey, it's not always like this.

617
00:30:14,119 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, feel like it's cold man. Yeah, I just got

618
00:30:17,839 --> 00:30:18,240
a shower.

619
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 1: It's like, I get it. You don't need to tug

620
00:30:20,039 --> 00:30:22,480
on it. It's like, no, I'm a grower. I want

621
00:30:22,519 --> 00:30:22,839
you to know.

622
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,279
Speaker 2: We're ifom bleated out too, just like it's not usually

623
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,480
like this, dude, I just God, fluff yourself before you die.

624
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 1: So the coral terrain, like I said, sharp jagged. Uh.

625
00:30:37,599 --> 00:30:40,559
People were cutting their hands and knees and legs and

626
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:42,920
boots on this shit. I was just fucking them up.

627
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:47,039
Digging foxholes was pretty much impossible, so men had to

628
00:30:47,119 --> 00:30:51,960
crouch just behind like these coral crop like crop ups

629
00:30:52,079 --> 00:30:56,480
or whatever, so not good cover. When it rained, it

630
00:30:56,519 --> 00:31:01,799
didn't really get much cooler, just mixed all the blood

631
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:02,720
and mud.

632
00:31:02,599 --> 00:31:07,119
Speaker 2: And dirt together and made and shit together, just sloshed

633
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:07,640
everything up.

634
00:31:07,799 --> 00:31:14,559
Speaker 1: Yeah. Like I said, it's one hundred and fifteen degrees

635
00:31:14,599 --> 00:31:17,920
on this island, And when it's one hundred and fifteen

636
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:25,160
degrees and there's a dead body, it decomposes really fast.

637
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:30,240
In fact, all these marines and US soldiers that were

638
00:31:30,319 --> 00:31:32,519
on the beach or right off the beach or whatever,

639
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:39,480
the ones that died were pretty quickly bursting open like

640
00:31:39,599 --> 00:31:40,160
dead whales.

641
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 2: Okay, that is my favorite story about like the early

642
00:31:48,119 --> 00:31:51,119
nineteen hundreds Slaid eighteen hundreds of how they cleaned the

643
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:52,720
beaches of Wales.

644
00:31:52,839 --> 00:31:53,559
Speaker 1: What dynamite?

645
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:54,119
Speaker 2: Dynamite?

646
00:31:54,279 --> 00:31:56,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good way to do it.

647
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:57,359
Speaker 2: It's huge.

648
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:58,119
Speaker 1: What else are you gonna do.

649
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:00,599
Speaker 2: It's a great way to spend a second. Just have

650
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:02,119
the town come and we dynamite away.

651
00:32:02,279 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 1: Dynamiting a whale. Yeah, I would go to that, even

652
00:32:05,079 --> 00:32:08,000
now with a phone and a TV. I'd go to that.

653
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,839
Speaker 2: I would go see a whale just get blown to smithery.

654
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:15,799
Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh So in this baking heat, bodies were bursting

655
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,400
open and there and their guts would just spill out.

656
00:32:21,319 --> 00:32:26,720
The flies were insane, like full black clouds of flies

657
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,920
on dead bodies. They would be so numerous that you

658
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:31,359
couldn't You would just be like, oh, that must be

659
00:32:31,359 --> 00:32:34,240
a dead body because the big suckers to twenty yeah,

660
00:32:34,319 --> 00:32:37,119
big motherfuckers. There'd just be like twenty thousand flies on

661
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,000
every dead body, like you couldn't even see the bodies,

662
00:32:39,039 --> 00:32:42,640
like it was just a moving like flies. It was

663
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:44,079
foul and meggots too.

664
00:32:46,119 --> 00:32:50,319
Speaker 2: Protein, but the flies, yeah, or the maggots, you know,

665
00:32:50,359 --> 00:32:51,359
if you run out of food.

666
00:32:51,599 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: What was really fun about the flies and how numerous

667
00:32:54,279 --> 00:32:55,920
they were is that, you know, all of them could

668
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:59,000
get a good spot on the dead bodies, so they'd

669
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,480
start finding just open wounds on the living go inside,

670
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,319
just start laying eggs and eating that. So you'd have

671
00:33:05,359 --> 00:33:08,119
to constantly clean your open wound, or.

672
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,839
Speaker 2: Just don't get a wound, dud, don't get shot, don't.

673
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:16,119
Speaker 1: Get shot, don't trip on coral idiot, moron. You know

674
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,279
it does not like you. It sounds like you're fighting

675
00:33:18,319 --> 00:33:19,680
fault mostly with the soldiers.

676
00:33:22,039 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 2: Will I victim blame yes all the time.

677
00:33:26,559 --> 00:33:32,799
Speaker 1: You're fair. Obviously, it smelled like ass. Smelled as horrible

678
00:33:32,839 --> 00:33:35,279
as you could ever imagine anything smelling well.

679
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,519
Speaker 2: Because when you die, you either fart or shit your pants.

680
00:33:38,079 --> 00:33:40,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're just rotting meat at that point, that.

681
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:44,279
Speaker 2: Too, but you do let it loose, you do, it

682
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,599
all comes out full body explosion.

683
00:33:46,759 --> 00:33:49,519
Speaker 1: Here's the thing that didn't help either. All the living

684
00:33:49,599 --> 00:33:52,839
soldiers also needed to poop, and they didn't have anywhere

685
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:54,519
to do it, but right where they were.

686
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 2: Do you think that's your soul living your body the

687
00:33:58,480 --> 00:33:59,960
shit either the far.

688
00:34:00,119 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 1: The shit, it's your sins, your sins.

689
00:34:03,359 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 2: Okay.

690
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: That's how you know if if someone takes a huge dump,

691
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:08,800
they're going to hell.

692
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,679
Speaker 2: No, it's releasing from their bodies so they can ascend.

693
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 1: To the house so the soul can fly free.

694
00:34:15,119 --> 00:34:17,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so if you don't poop, then you're going

695
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:17,960
to hell.

696
00:34:18,039 --> 00:34:26,039
Speaker 1: Okay. Obviously marines had to crawl over these dead bodies

697
00:34:26,199 --> 00:34:29,079
constantly to get from A to B to C to D.

698
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:34,199
Here's a fun one that is one of the most

699
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,480
dystopian sci fi things I ever heard.

700
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,599
Speaker 2: Did they start using the bodies as a wall?

701
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they did do that, but that's not what

702
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:46,239
I'm talking about. It's a coral island in the Pacific

703
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:52,840
that was just littered. I guess a native species to

704
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:57,599
it was land crabs, those big fucking crabs. Yeah, they

705
00:34:57,679 --> 00:35:03,239
also create protein. A lot of crab, a lot of

706
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:07,559
crabs eating dead bodies. Okay, so crabs just like wandered

707
00:35:07,599 --> 00:35:10,320
onto the beach and droves and just started like eating

708
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:11,519
all the dead soldiers.

709
00:35:12,159 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, but then you have yourself a crab bake.

710
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:16,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, but at that point you're kind of eating your

711
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:21,119
buddy in a way. If the if you catch a

712
00:35:21,199 --> 00:35:23,320
crab that's on a guy eating him, you were then

713
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,119
not you were then pretty much directly eating the person

714
00:35:27,199 --> 00:35:27,880
the crab was eating.

715
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, but there's a non zero chance you've eaten pig

716
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:32,079
that is eating a person.

717
00:35:33,679 --> 00:35:35,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, non you know, there's a non zero chance, but

718
00:35:35,559 --> 00:35:38,119
there's one hundred percent chance that if you pick a

719
00:35:38,159 --> 00:35:41,159
crab off a dead marine and have a crab boil.

720
00:35:41,079 --> 00:35:43,199
Speaker 2: In a pinch, I'll eat that crab.

721
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,800
Speaker 1: Uh. But yeah, there's just little sea spiders everywhere just

722
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:50,960
eating eating dead bodies.

723
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 2: That was kind of one of my favorite things growing

724
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:57,760
up in the mid Atlantic Northeast, just pool party with

725
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:01,239
a bushel of crab. I am a much picking apart

726
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:05,199
the crab people in the South, I think do more crawlfish.

727
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:06,679
Speaker 1: Boiled crawfish, crab boils, the way to go.

728
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 2: Crabs, the way to go Old Bay all day.

729
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 1: You get real meat from a crab too.

730
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,679
Speaker 2: It depends what kind of crab we did, blue crab.

731
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,000
It's a lot of work, but you're there for the

732
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:20,880
conversation and the beers. Yeah, and the little meat you get.

733
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,400
If you get some king crab, then we're talking. Oh yeah,

734
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:26,119
but that's a little bit more pricey.

735
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 1: Well it's bigger, big fuckers.

736
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, we didn't have kinkrab money.

737
00:36:34,079 --> 00:36:36,760
Speaker 1: Soon after the beach landing, the airfield was right there,

738
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:40,480
and that's when they were hit with the first Japanese counterattack,

739
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:45,239
which included eleven somewhere between eleven and seventeen light tanks.

740
00:36:46,079 --> 00:36:48,760
The Japanese counter attack and hit the American lines. This

741
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,400
is This fight is actually depicted in the Pacific in

742
00:36:51,519 --> 00:36:59,960
the In the show, the counter attack obviously doesn't work

743
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:02,760
and a lot of their tanks get knocked out. But

744
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:04,840
by the end of the first day, the Marines had

745
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,000
suffered pretty bad casualties and they were still pretty much

746
00:37:08,039 --> 00:37:10,519
unaware though that the Japanese had changed their tactics. So

747
00:37:10,559 --> 00:37:14,599
they were like, oh boy, that was crazy, but I

748
00:37:14,679 --> 00:37:15,360
think we got them.

749
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we did it. Little did they know,

750
00:37:20,519 --> 00:37:21,280
Little did they know.

751
00:37:23,159 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 1: As night settled in with the Marines just off the beach,

752
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:32,079
basically Japanese troops wearing helmets of dead Americans began infiltrating

753
00:37:32,119 --> 00:37:35,400
the marine lines and just stabbing people to death in

754
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:40,119
their foxholes. It's a good way to go, yep. But

755
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,119
eventually the battle does shift into the hills. That's where

756
00:37:43,119 --> 00:37:45,119
the Japanese really wanted to have the fight, and that's

757
00:37:45,159 --> 00:37:49,920
where it goes from gnarly to pure fucking nightmare. Hell fuel.

758
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 2: Did we figure out they were coming up from the ground. Yeah,

759
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,199
eventually get the flame throwers.

760
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 1: Oh, flamethrowers play.

761
00:37:58,599 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 2: Grenades, big role in this battle. Put the big old

762
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:04,679
explosives into the hole.

763
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:08,039
Speaker 1: So I'll just say it now. Actually, one thing they

764
00:38:08,079 --> 00:38:11,360
would do once they realized that had this whole cave

765
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:15,039
system was they would just start dumping a bunch of

766
00:38:15,679 --> 00:38:19,360
gasoline or like jelly gas something like that into.

767
00:38:19,199 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 2: The frontroleum substance.

768
00:38:21,039 --> 00:38:23,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, like into the fronts of the cave, like into

769
00:38:23,079 --> 00:38:25,519
the mouths of the caves, and then the flamethrowers would

770
00:38:25,559 --> 00:38:27,800
light all that shit up and then we'd just let

771
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:29,800
the Japanese cook alive inside the cave.

772
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:35,800
Speaker 2: Had their selves a jet bake. Yeah, it's one way

773
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:36,679
to put it, I guess.

774
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 1: So once we start getting inland, there was one rifle

775
00:38:42,199 --> 00:38:46,679
platoon that began knocking out Japanese gun positions, machine guns, artillery,

776
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,920
and they use rifle grenades or they just like storm

777
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,159
the whatever it was. After knocking out a couple of

778
00:38:55,199 --> 00:38:58,039
machine gun positions, these group of Marines faced a cave

779
00:38:58,119 --> 00:39:01,119
that had a piece of artillery forty seven millimeter gun

780
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,840
and you know, they threw up smoke grenade to conceal

781
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:09,280
their movement, and uh, they launched a grenade into the

782
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:15,559
into the cave and the grenade detonated the gun's shells,

783
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,800
like all the artillery shells sitting around the gun, which

784
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:23,679
was a monstrous explosion. The Japanese just started running out.

785
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,039
Their bodies were on fire, and they were so on

786
00:39:26,159 --> 00:39:28,840
fire that all their ammo belts with bullets just started

787
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:32,840
exploding on their on their hip cool cutting them in

788
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:33,800
half and shit.

789
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:37,800
Speaker 2: Sawed by their own weapons.

790
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:43,320
Speaker 1: Captain George P. Hunt K Company, third Battalion, First Marines, Uh,

791
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:47,159
he got trapped in the hills at a place called

792
00:39:47,199 --> 00:39:50,679
the point and his two hundred and thirty five man

793
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:56,239
company cut off, and by nightfall there's about seventy eight

794
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,559
of them left from the original two thirty five. The

795
00:39:59,639 --> 00:40:02,119
japan we're just hitting them again and again, popping out

796
00:40:02,159 --> 00:40:04,920
of caves. They didn't even know where from. They had

797
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:05,760
a small perimeter.

798
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:07,280
Speaker 2: It's the worst game of whack a mole.

799
00:40:07,519 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 1: It's you don't even know where the holes are now

800
00:40:09,639 --> 00:40:11,119
the mole just comes out and bites you on the

801
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:17,320
neck from behind. Yeah. At one point, a Japanese machine

802
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,199
gunner just popped up right on the front of their

803
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:23,280
lines and just mowed down a bunch of marines essentially,

804
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,719
just like just ripped them in half with this. I

805
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:31,159
guess it was bigger than a submachine gun hunt. Saw

806
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,920
one man have his entire lower body, like just his

807
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,440
body was cutting half essentially by a machine gun burst.

808
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,519
The Japanese were up above them, and they would just

809
00:40:39,599 --> 00:40:40,760
roll grenades down the hill.

810
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of the worst version of a cheese

811
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:48,039
wheel race.

812
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 1: A little ski ball almost, so I guess you're going

813
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:55,639
down instead of up. But the men held though. By

814
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,840
dawn there were over one hundred Japanese bodies surrounding them,

815
00:41:01,519 --> 00:41:05,960
many of them have been burned alive by flamethrowers. The men, though,

816
00:41:06,079 --> 00:41:08,440
still couldn't get out of there, so they started stacking

817
00:41:09,519 --> 00:41:14,599
corpses Japanese corpses as a barricade, your body wall. But

818
00:41:14,679 --> 00:41:17,400
there was so much blood that it mixed with the

819
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,280
sort of like dust from the coral into like this

820
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:27,719
weird mud, like literal mud blood. Okay, the unit held though.

821
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:29,920
At the end of it, out of the two hundred

822
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:33,039
and thirty five shithun were dead, only eighteen were left

823
00:41:33,079 --> 00:41:36,599
completely untouched. Only eighteen weren't even wounded. Out of the

824
00:41:36,599 --> 00:41:41,599
two hundred and thirty five, there's another guy, Sergeant Jack

825
00:41:41,679 --> 00:41:50,079
Ainsworth Marine kept a diary about everything he saw at one.

826
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 2: Nice diary, dude, sweet bro, doesn't matter what you're documenting,

827
00:41:57,599 --> 00:41:58,679
still diary.

828
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:02,800
Speaker 1: Still a dinary. He watched a dude take a full

829
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:03,920
on artillery shell to.

830
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 2: The chest, wrote it down, great detail.

831
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, so there was just like the the guy just

832
00:42:12,079 --> 00:42:18,119
like vaporized. Basically, men would shoot anything that moved at night,

833
00:42:18,159 --> 00:42:20,800
according to him, including their own wounded screaming for help,

834
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:22,280
so they didn't give away their position.

835
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 2: Was there a ton of animals just sounded like just

836
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:30,000
the crabs, just the crab crab island. That's how Earhart went, right,

837
00:42:31,079 --> 00:42:32,039
That's how they speculate.

838
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, she was eating my crabs almost certainly.

839
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 2: Shot down and became Tokyo Rose. Yeah, after her co

840
00:42:42,079 --> 00:42:43,320
pilot got eaten by crabs.

841
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:45,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, they left him to eat my crabs and she

842
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:49,159
became the most famous DJ of the nineteen forties.

843
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:51,639
Speaker 2: You will die here.

844
00:42:53,039 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 1: Your wives are getting railed back home. You're going to die.

845
00:42:58,079 --> 00:42:59,320
Speaker 2: Jodie's enjoying himself.

846
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 1: All right, real quick, let's talk about the watch that

847
00:43:02,159 --> 00:43:04,079
is bringing you this episode. First off, we just like

848
00:43:04,159 --> 00:43:07,440
to thank persadess Watches for even thinking of us and

849
00:43:07,559 --> 00:43:11,599
reaching out. Persadas does a lot of really cool history

850
00:43:11,679 --> 00:43:14,280
themed watches, a lot of sort of like American military

851
00:43:14,679 --> 00:43:18,719
themed watches, like gi stuff from World War Two, really

852
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,840
simple sort of like throwbacks to those type of watches too.

853
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:25,719
The watch they wanted us to talk about today, which

854
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:29,400
is their Pacific Campaign commemoration watch, which they send us

855
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,079
in this sweet little box right here with the Mount

856
00:43:31,119 --> 00:43:35,079
Serabacci flag raising on it. What's cool about this watch

857
00:43:35,119 --> 00:43:38,199
in particular is that it commemorates a lot of the

858
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:43,079
biggest engagements of the Pacific Theater, both naval and on

859
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,760
land with the Marines and the army stuff obviously, Pearl

860
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:52,599
Harbor Midway, Guadalcanal's on here, Ewjima obviously, and Okinawa as well.

861
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,800
You can find Palelu in there as well. It's not marked,

862
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,239
but you can figure out where it is. What's really

863
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:03,559
cool about this watch in particular, like I said, it's

864
00:44:03,559 --> 00:44:05,480
got the map on it. That's super sweet, but it

865
00:44:05,599 --> 00:44:11,719
has real volcanic sand in the face, taken directly from Ewjima,

866
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:15,920
and it maps the whole sort of island hopping campaign

867
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:20,199
out getting all the way to Okinawa in nineteen forty five.

868
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:24,199
It's a double domed K one mineral crystal ten ATM

869
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:29,000
water resistance field watch standard. And you know, they just

870
00:44:29,039 --> 00:44:31,880
wanted to commemorate the Pacific Theater, which I for one

871
00:44:32,039 --> 00:44:38,400
do not think gets nearly enough love or commemoration or attention.

872
00:44:38,599 --> 00:44:41,079
My grandfather, like I said, called it the real Forgotten War.

873
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:44,199
I guess he didn't think highly of the Korean War. Whatever.

874
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:48,320
I don't know, but it's an awesome watch, and Persadis

875
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:51,599
in general, they just make really cool watches. Man. You

876
00:44:51,679 --> 00:44:53,280
got to check it out. If you're a history buff

877
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:57,880
at all, whether it's this Pacific Campaign commemoration watch or

878
00:44:58,039 --> 00:45:00,840
just one of the other ones they do, super cool.

879
00:45:01,119 --> 00:45:04,320
Highly recommend checking it out, especially if you're a vet.

880
00:45:04,639 --> 00:45:09,280
You the link is in the description on YouTube, on Apple,

881
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:12,800
on Spotify, go check them out and whether you want,

882
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,039
whether you want to get this watch or you want

883
00:45:15,079 --> 00:45:16,880
to get another one of their really cool sort of

884
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,880
military or historical throwback watches. I think I think they're

885
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,599
super slick. It's great, like every day where type of watch.

886
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:26,360
I am. I'm gonna wear this one because I have it,

887
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,800
but I'm definitely buying buying more than this one. Uh.

888
00:45:29,159 --> 00:45:30,760
I'm not a big watch guy or like a big

889
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,639
watch fiend, but these ones like tickle my fancy quite

890
00:45:33,679 --> 00:45:36,559
a bit. They're really really cool and really really well made.

891
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:39,039
So whether you just want a cool watch, uh you're

892
00:45:39,039 --> 00:45:43,320
a history buff, or you in particular want to honor

893
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,599
the men and women who served in the Pacific theater

894
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:51,079
of World War two at places like Peleelu, places like Ewgima,

895
00:45:51,159 --> 00:45:53,840
which again, the coolest part about this watch is its

896
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:58,639
actual Ewgima volcanic sand in its face. It is rad

897
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,239
I can see it, can see it in here's this

898
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:06,079
is sweet. Honestly, check out the Percedis Watch Company again

899
00:46:06,159 --> 00:46:08,639
the link click that link that is in our descriptions

900
00:46:08,639 --> 00:46:10,719
because that tracks that you went there. Lets them know

901
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:13,920
that our listeners went there. So go check that out.

902
00:46:14,199 --> 00:46:16,559
Thank you very much to the people of the Percedas

903
00:46:16,599 --> 00:46:19,400
Watch Company for hitting us up. We love you guys.

904
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:24,800
You make some really cool stuff and guys, this is

905
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:28,079
like tailor made for us. Check it out. One thing

906
00:46:28,159 --> 00:46:31,440
that happened a lot was that the Japanese. Because the lines,

907
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,079
everyone had to stay quiet and a lot you couldn't

908
00:46:34,119 --> 00:46:37,719
see shit at night. Obviously, you had to keep light discipline.

909
00:46:38,199 --> 00:46:42,239
The Japanese would like sneak into random fox holes, kidnap

910
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:47,440
marines and just drag them back to their caves for

911
00:46:47,639 --> 00:46:49,719
fun play time.

912
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 2: You get a little sadistic. Oh yeah, you turn into

913
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,840
a total monster. Yeah, in a scenario like that.

914
00:46:58,079 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 1: So when the Japanese started doing this, the Americans were like.

915
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:04,519
Speaker 2: Done.

916
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:06,159
Speaker 1: That's what I was like, Yeah, I would shoot a

917
00:47:06,159 --> 00:47:10,280
guy pooping in this battle. Okay, one marine. This happened

918
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:13,000
a lot actually, but they found one marine.

919
00:47:13,159 --> 00:47:14,519
Speaker 2: I think both sides broke.

920
00:47:15,519 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we'll get into how the Americans broke a

921
00:47:17,519 --> 00:47:21,159
little bit in a minute. One side, they found one

922
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:27,559
marine in a cave, decapitated with his dick and balls

923
00:47:27,559 --> 00:47:28,360
stuck in his mouth.

924
00:47:28,599 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 2: Well, you know, the Japanese aren't really known for their

925
00:47:30,559 --> 00:47:35,199
war crimes. No, they were like, whoa, that's crazy they

926
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:39,599
did that. What They definitely didn't mutilate people and cut

927
00:47:39,639 --> 00:47:41,159
off their genitalia.

928
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:44,519
Speaker 1: No, never once. This actually happened a lot. Marines found

929
00:47:44,559 --> 00:47:48,519
that several times dudes who were dragged like captured, dragged

930
00:47:48,559 --> 00:47:52,199
into caves or spider holes and tortured to death.

931
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:59,800
Speaker 2: They were jealous though, they had some down jealousy penis envy, yes,

932
00:48:02,039 --> 00:48:03,239
so they cut it off and like what if we

933
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:04,559
can attach it to our own.

934
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 1: And it didn't work, so they put it in the

935
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:09,880
guy's mouth. Yeah, then cut his head off.

936
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 2: Human scent and penis.

937
00:48:14,159 --> 00:48:16,639
Speaker 1: They also found one guy so they found the dick

938
00:48:16,679 --> 00:48:19,000
and mouth thing like multiple times.

939
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:21,079
Speaker 2: It's fucked up.

940
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 1: So like this is essentially how several marines died in

941
00:48:23,519 --> 00:48:25,920
this battle. They were captured in the Milanite, by the way,

942
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:29,400
probably like eighteen year olds. They're captured the Midianite, dragged

943
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:33,760
into a cave, beaten, had their dick and balls cut

944
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:36,800
off while they're alive, while they're Oh yeah, dude, you're not.

945
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:39,800
You're going maximum punishment here, Like they're doing it after

946
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:43,079
the fact, had their dicking balls off, had it shoved

947
00:48:43,079 --> 00:48:45,079
into their mouths, and then were to cap and then

948
00:48:45,119 --> 00:48:46,679
we're beheaded by a Samurai sword.

949
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they did have swords then.

950
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 1: Good swords, sweet swords.

951
00:48:53,559 --> 00:48:55,800
Speaker 2: When he had a World War two Samurai sword in here,

952
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:59,320
I think that might run you, It might, but I

953
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:02,599
think it's cooler than an actual Samurai sword from this,

954
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:06,880
you know, sixteen busheto Yeah, like, yeah, I don't care

955
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:07,559
about the ronan.

956
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 1: I want a World War two a sword.

957
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 2: That was used to cut off a dude's penis. Well,

958
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:19,199
it has to have that in the description.

959
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,599
Speaker 1: If you want her apartment to be super haunted by

960
00:49:23,679 --> 00:49:26,519
a headless like a guy, well, yes, a headless and

961
00:49:26,599 --> 00:49:32,119
a guy holding his head and just being like because

962
00:49:32,159 --> 00:49:34,639
the back end of a severed penis is hanging out.

963
00:49:34,519 --> 00:49:38,599
Speaker 2: Of it, Well, he was headless because in two ways.

964
00:49:39,519 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, technically retained both of them.

965
00:49:43,079 --> 00:49:44,519
Speaker 2: A head on the head, it cancels it out.

966
00:49:44,599 --> 00:49:49,280
Speaker 1: It's a hat on a hat, it's too much. A

967
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:52,119
third one they just found like torn apart. They found

968
00:49:52,119 --> 00:49:54,840
another guy just like ripped to pieces like an animal

969
00:49:55,039 --> 00:49:57,800
ate them. Yeah, but it wasn't. It was just the Japanese.

970
00:49:58,840 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 2: So our last resort.

971
00:50:00,119 --> 00:50:03,599
Speaker 1: Another set of bodies was found tied to trees and

972
00:50:05,079 --> 00:50:07,920
that clearly had been used for bayonet.

973
00:50:07,519 --> 00:50:10,840
Speaker 2: Practice playing darts.

974
00:50:12,119 --> 00:50:14,840
Speaker 1: Each one had about fifty stab wounds in it, and

975
00:50:16,199 --> 00:50:17,480
their balls were also cut off.

976
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:20,159
Speaker 2: But it's their deal man left nearby.

977
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 1: They didn't put them in the mouths. They were just

978
00:50:22,159 --> 00:50:24,760
just cut them off, and we're like, yeah, just toss it.

979
00:50:25,599 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 2: So they cut off our genitalia. So in retaliation after

980
00:50:31,079 --> 00:50:35,559
World War Two, we made them blur out all their porns.

981
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:39,159
Speaker 1: What they blur porn Japan?

982
00:50:39,199 --> 00:50:41,800
Speaker 2: You can't show penis for vagina? Oh shit, it's all

983
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:42,360
blurred out.

984
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, got a one hundred year rule on that in

985
00:50:46,119 --> 00:50:47,000
twenty forty five.

986
00:50:47,119 --> 00:50:48,880
Speaker 2: That makes sense. Yeah, that was us. That was kind

987
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:52,800
of like us having our soldiers' backs. But all right, fine,

988
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:55,679
you dickheads, you cut off all of our penises. You

989
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:57,320
can't even see a penis and porn now, you.

990
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:01,519
Speaker 1: Don't mean to know what a penis looks like. So

991
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:06,679
this got to the American soldiers. This whole everything was

992
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,199
happening in this battle, the brutality of how horrible the

993
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:15,400
Japanese were started to bug up bug us okay, real,

994
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:23,320
you know, really bothered us. One marine who going into

995
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:28,320
the battle. Before the battle, his fellow marines described as

996
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:32,199
a pretty mild mannered guy. Yeah, pretty ho hum, pretty

997
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:38,079
quiet guy. Sure, something just snapped at some point in

998
00:51:38,119 --> 00:51:42,039
the Battle of Paleolu, and uh he he just started

999
00:51:42,079 --> 00:51:47,360
collecting Japanese skulls. Have to yeah, uh at one point

1000
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:50,000
I guess he had like a foxhole or something that

1001
00:51:50,159 --> 00:51:53,960
had like that had fifty Japanese skulls arranged around it.

1002
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:59,599
Speaker 2: So he's skinning the heads. Yes, you need a hobby.

1003
00:52:00,079 --> 00:52:02,519
Speaker 1: And here's the thing that was even killed down un

1004
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:06,000
He would specifically look for the Japanese who had like

1005
00:52:06,159 --> 00:52:09,760
metal teeth because he liked how they shined in the sun.

1006
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:12,599
Speaker 2: Okay, So anybody with crowns.

1007
00:52:12,679 --> 00:52:16,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, So just like Steve from Iowa, who's just like, hey, guys,

1008
00:52:16,599 --> 00:52:18,519
I'm here to do my duty. Like a couple of

1009
00:52:18,599 --> 00:52:20,800
days into pale lou Is, just like I will be

1010
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:24,079
collecting the skulls of my enemies. I am filled with

1011
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:26,760
more hate than you could possibly imagine.

1012
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:30,280
Speaker 2: We have some depraved motherfuckers. Some people go over. I'm

1013
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:33,039
sure there's plenty of like serial killers in World War

1014
00:52:33,119 --> 00:52:35,960
Two that just were like all right, hell yeah, free rain.

1015
00:52:36,159 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta send those guys to the specific though.

1016
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:39,719
They can't be doing that shit in Europe.

1017
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:41,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess not.

1018
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:44,760
Speaker 1: You'll get in trouble. I don't think there were rules.

1019
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 2: There were no rules in the Pacific.

1020
00:52:46,159 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 1: Now, years later, like decades later, he was asked about it.

1021
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:54,920
He goes, I think this is like a I wouldn

1022
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:57,239
say the exact quote and then say what I think

1023
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:00,079
it means. He just goes, it's aid. Decades later he

1024
00:53:00,159 --> 00:53:03,880
admitted we were around the bend, which I think just

1025
00:53:04,039 --> 00:53:08,000
means like, yeah, things got pretty crazy.

1026
00:53:10,119 --> 00:53:13,880
Speaker 2: I mean it sounds like it. Everything you described does

1027
00:53:14,039 --> 00:53:15,360
not counter that argument.

1028
00:53:15,599 --> 00:53:20,760
Speaker 1: No, another marine. Now, this was slightly portrayed in the Pacific,

1029
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:27,519
but not to the gruesome detail that it actually happened.

1030
00:53:28,199 --> 00:53:32,000
And I believe this is from Eugene Sledge's book with

1031
00:53:32,119 --> 00:53:33,840
the Old Breed, which is one of the two or

1032
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:35,519
three books that The Pacific was based on.

1033
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 2: The Sledge Man.

1034
00:53:36,679 --> 00:53:39,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh shit, Eugene Sledge, the kid from Jurassic Park.

1035
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:44,639
What the guy who plays him in the Pacific was

1036
00:53:44,679 --> 00:53:45,800
the kid, the little boy from.

1037
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:46,519
Speaker 2: Dras oh Okay.

1038
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:59,039
Speaker 1: Another marine cut off a Japanese hand from a Japanese

1039
00:53:59,079 --> 00:54:03,159
soldier who is still a lot but like injured. Just

1040
00:54:03,199 --> 00:54:05,719
cut off his hand with his k bar knife.

1041
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:07,599
Speaker 2: He didn't take his samurai's horn into it.

1042
00:54:08,039 --> 00:54:12,519
Speaker 1: I don't think not all of them had one. I think, right, Yeah,

1043
00:54:12,599 --> 00:54:16,920
So he just found some grunts, some grunt injured and dying,

1044
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:20,880
and cut off the still living soldier's hand, and uh,

1045
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:23,239
he was gonna he was planning to dry it out

1046
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:27,679
and keep it as a as a souvenir. But I

1047
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:32,199
guess everyone else in his unit was like, absolutely.

1048
00:54:31,639 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 2: Not, dude, I can't bring that around.

1049
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:34,079
Speaker 1: I'm not.

1050
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:36,559
Speaker 2: I am not going on patrol with you with the

1051
00:54:36,599 --> 00:54:37,239
haunted hand.

1052
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:41,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, with a fucking hand in your bag. Please. They're like,

1053
00:54:41,199 --> 00:54:42,840
please throw the fucking hand away.

1054
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:49,559
Speaker 2: And he was like fine, God, Yeah, this isn't talked

1055
00:54:49,559 --> 00:54:51,960
about enough. How depraved everyone gets some war.

1056
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 1: This is as bad as it's ever gotten. I think

1057
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:58,000
for any war the United States in particular has been

1058
00:54:58,079 --> 00:54:59,079
in disagree.

1059
00:54:59,639 --> 00:55:00,599
Speaker 2: I think it's all like this.

1060
00:55:02,119 --> 00:55:04,159
Speaker 1: No, this was not happening in the War of eighteen twelve.

1061
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:06,800
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, you don't think we were giving it to

1062
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:07,639
the Canadians.

1063
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:10,559
Speaker 1: I don't think we were cutting off Canadian hands and

1064
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:12,800
do it. I don't think we're doing the shit that

1065
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:13,320
happened here.

1066
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:16,039
Speaker 2: Maybe not in the War of eighteen twelve, but when

1067
00:55:16,119 --> 00:55:19,880
all the Civil War vets went up the Irish for

1068
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:21,840
that rebellion, when they went up to Canada and tried

1069
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:24,400
to take Canada, they might have done it.

1070
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, look, no war is good.

1071
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:29,440
This is what I This is why I like, there's

1072
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:31,880
a I guess all wars passed a level where you're

1073
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:35,639
like not really don't really need to differentiate unless it's

1074
00:55:36,039 --> 00:55:37,519
to just like really get in the weeds.

1075
00:55:37,599 --> 00:55:39,840
Speaker 2: Any medieval battle, they're doing this kind of shit.

1076
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 1: Oh yes, this is medieval shit happening in living memory,

1077
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:47,480
within living memory, essentially.

1078
00:55:48,599 --> 00:55:51,159
Speaker 2: Maybe not doing this in the American Revolution. But no,

1079
00:55:51,559 --> 00:55:52,960
I'm not putting it past some people.

1080
00:55:53,079 --> 00:55:55,760
Speaker 1: I just don't think it was happening in most of

1081
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:56,800
the wars like this.

1082
00:55:57,519 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 2: You don't think Sherman was collecting skulls down in Atlanta.

1083
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:03,639
Speaker 1: I actually don't. I really don't think you was. I

1084
00:56:03,679 --> 00:56:06,440
think the Civil War was especially like obviously fucked up

1085
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:09,400
should happened, but I think you're like fighting your own

1086
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:10,880
like people you're gonna live with later.

1087
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:16,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, world War One, I feel like there were there

1088
00:56:16,679 --> 00:56:18,440
were some pockets.

1089
00:56:18,039 --> 00:56:24,119
Speaker 1: Of this, Yeah, for sure, for sure, but weren't there

1090
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:28,000
We weren't there long enough, Yeah, to get driven truly insane.

1091
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:33,119
Speaker 2: This definitely happened in Vietnam, Yes, yeah, I.

1092
00:56:33,119 --> 00:56:36,519
Speaker 1: Think there's something about East Asia, the jungle.

1093
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:39,079
Speaker 2: Brings it out and the heat that just you go

1094
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:40,400
full apocalypse now.

1095
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:47,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty pretty much. Yeah, Like I don't I'm positive

1096
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:49,679
this didn't happen in any meaningful way in like the

1097
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:50,280
g WATT.

1098
00:56:53,639 --> 00:56:57,559
Speaker 2: I mean, there's plenty of stories of us mistreating the

1099
00:56:57,599 --> 00:56:58,559
hell out of prisoners.

1100
00:56:58,599 --> 00:57:01,719
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying there was nothing, but I'm saying

1101
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:04,599
that everything that I am talking about.

1102
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:09,119
Speaker 2: In the dudes and what pissing on prisoners, Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1103
00:57:09,519 --> 00:57:11,679
one hundred percent, it's a different level, I suppose.

1104
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 1: I'm just saying like this was widespread, This was like

1105
00:57:17,639 --> 00:57:19,800
normal in this battle.

1106
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:22,599
Speaker 2: Tokens and trophies in other battles.

1107
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of a big one was and this

1108
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:26,039
was also portrayed in the Pacific. We're about to get

1109
00:57:26,039 --> 00:57:28,800
to a specific event that was in the Pacific, but

1110
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:31,719
they didn't show it as much a lot. They were

1111
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:34,360
collecting gold teeth left and right. The Americans were a

1112
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:37,000
lot of gold teeth in the Japanese mouths, I guess

1113
00:57:37,039 --> 00:57:45,119
for some reason. So yeah, like I said earlier, flamethrower

1114
00:57:45,199 --> 00:57:49,039
teams would just hose jelly gasoline into caves and then

1115
00:57:49,119 --> 00:57:52,239
light it on fire and let the guys. Let the

1116
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:54,159
guys burn it death. Some people would run out on

1117
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:57,360
fire and they would shoot them. But so yeah, this

1118
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:02,199
is the one from from Sledges book that they like

1119
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:05,480
toned down in the show. There was a lull in

1120
00:58:05,599 --> 00:58:09,360
the fighting on a place called Bloody Nose Ridge, and

1121
00:58:09,559 --> 00:58:13,360
Sledge watched one of his fellow marines.

1122
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 2: Bloody Nose Ridge just doesn't fit for war. It's somewhere

1123
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:21,239
you meet after school to fight, Sorry, meet us at

1124
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:23,400
a bloody Nose Ridge after the bell.

1125
00:58:23,639 --> 00:58:25,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's where like sophomores fight each other.

1126
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:28,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe you get your like first kiss up on

1127
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:31,480
Bloody Nose Ridge after you beat a kids.

1128
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:34,239
Speaker 1: You win a fight. Yeah, yeah, with a bloody nose.

1129
00:58:36,239 --> 00:58:38,480
Speaker 2: You have your first couple of beers at Bloody Nose Ridge.

1130
00:58:40,119 --> 00:58:41,480
But you don't have war, bloody nose.

1131
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:43,599
Speaker 1: You don't do this at bloody Nose Ridge. So he

1132
00:58:43,679 --> 00:58:46,159
watches a marine. There's like nothing going on. So he

1133
00:58:46,199 --> 00:58:50,519
watches a marine go up to a like basically like paralyzed,

1134
00:58:50,599 --> 00:58:54,400
but a live Japanese soldier is lying on the ground

1135
00:58:54,719 --> 00:58:56,960
and the marine is, you know, hunting for gold teeth.

1136
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:02,119
So he jams his knife into the guy, into the

1137
00:59:02,199 --> 00:59:06,320
Japanese soldier's mouth and starts like blade first and starts

1138
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:10,000
just hitting it with his palm to like get the

1139
00:59:10,039 --> 00:59:13,920
teeth out, get the gold teeth out. But the knife slips,

1140
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:16,719
and I guess he just stabs the Japanese soldier like

1141
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:20,039
straight in the mouth, like rips through his gum and shit.

1142
00:59:20,679 --> 00:59:23,320
And the guy's like he can't really scream or anything.

1143
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:25,320
He's just kind of like moving a little more because

1144
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:28,039
it is obviously the most painful thing that's ever happened

1145
00:59:28,079 --> 00:59:28,320
to him.

1146
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:28,679
Speaker 2: Hmm.

1147
00:59:30,719 --> 00:59:32,840
Speaker 1: Blood just starts pulling out of pouring out of the

1148
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:35,400
guy's mouth. The marine.

1149
00:59:35,719 --> 00:59:38,039
Speaker 2: It doesn't happen to you at the dentist, not like that.

1150
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:41,719
Speaker 1: I never needed a tooth removed, so granted I don't.

1151
00:59:41,599 --> 00:59:43,719
Speaker 2: Have dental insurance or health insurance at all, right now,

1152
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:46,119
so you gotta take what you get.

1153
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:51,559
Speaker 1: If it's a guy with a bayonet, that's my guy. Yeah,

1154
00:59:52,119 --> 00:59:55,400
well you're slightly paralyzed for it's under thirty five pain medication.

1155
00:59:55,719 --> 00:59:58,119
Speaker 2: Set tells me he's a dentist or was a dentist.

1156
00:59:58,239 --> 01:00:02,400
Speaker 1: He calls himself the dentist. Yeah, and you're like, oh,

1157
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:04,440
so you're a dentist. I'm the dentist. He has a

1158
01:00:04,519 --> 01:00:08,519
bag of teeth, seems legit. Trust that where'd you get

1159
01:00:08,519 --> 01:00:10,800
it from? If he's not a dentist, he's.

1160
01:00:10,599 --> 01:00:12,679
Speaker 2: Not just collecting teeth off hobos.

1161
01:00:14,679 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 1: I certainly not.

1162
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:18,960
Speaker 2: Although I do look homeless.

1163
01:00:20,119 --> 01:00:24,039
Speaker 1: No, you don't mean you got a beard? But pretty

1164
01:00:24,079 --> 01:00:25,159
well kept, is it?

1165
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 2: I don't really do anything to it.

1166
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:29,559
Speaker 1: It just grows nice.

1167
01:00:30,719 --> 01:00:33,599
Speaker 2: It's not puby, no, no, if you feel it to,

1168
01:00:33,719 --> 01:00:34,360
it's so soft.

1169
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:37,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, A lot of a lot of people get pew beards.

1170
01:00:38,559 --> 01:00:43,159
You don't got that not I. So then the marine, though,

1171
01:00:43,159 --> 01:00:45,800
doesn't give a fuck that this paralyzed, like semi paralyzed

1172
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:51,599
guy is just like and there's blood coming everywhere.

1173
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:53,239
Speaker 2: So he.

1174
01:00:55,079 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 1: He's like, God, I just can't get into his mouth

1175
01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:59,920
that good. So he takes his knife and just cuts

1176
01:01:00,079 --> 01:01:01,920
his cheek, each cheek open all the way up to

1177
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:04,119
the ear so he can just really get good tooth axis.

1178
01:01:04,559 --> 01:01:05,639
Speaker 2: No, I got these guys.

1179
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:07,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, literally, he jokers the guy.

1180
01:01:09,679 --> 01:01:11,480
Speaker 2: My mother any bit of a drinker.

1181
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:14,199
Speaker 1: So now he's just trying to yank the teeth out.

1182
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:19,320
And at this point, Sledge is like, oh my god,

1183
01:01:19,599 --> 01:01:25,039
I cannot watch this. Just kill him, just shoot him, right,

1184
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:29,400
Holy shit, dude, this is fucked.

1185
01:01:29,639 --> 01:01:31,440
Speaker 2: I mean so fuck. Chase is looking back, hey you

1186
01:01:31,559 --> 01:01:34,519
right now, like what are you yeah talking about Sledge.

1187
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:38,679
Speaker 1: I guess the guy turns around and is like, mind

1188
01:01:38,719 --> 01:01:39,840
your own fucking business.

1189
01:01:42,119 --> 01:01:43,960
Speaker 2: Yeah that sounds right. Yeah.

1190
01:01:44,719 --> 01:01:47,760
Speaker 1: Uh. Fortunately, I guess another marine heard Sledge and I

1191
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:50,199
like saw what was going on, like herd Sledge be like, dude,

1192
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:54,039
just stops killed, Like this is fucked, man.

1193
01:01:54,119 --> 01:01:57,000
Speaker 2: Not a wholl crumb if it's the first time, nop.

1194
01:01:58,199 --> 01:02:00,800
Speaker 1: So another marine what like sees what's going on and

1195
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:03,519
walks up. It's just like I imagine he walks up

1196
01:02:03,599 --> 01:02:05,800
like it's so bored and annoyed too, like just walks

1197
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:07,360
up and it's like like looks at the marine with

1198
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:11,000
a knife and it's just like dude, and just blows

1199
01:02:11,199 --> 01:02:13,719
the Japanese guy's brains, like, just shoots him in the head.

1200
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:16,599
Get your fucking teeth, asshole.

1201
01:02:18,039 --> 01:02:20,440
Speaker 2: The Marines back then have the same stigma of just

1202
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:23,159
being jar heads, just nothing upstairs.

1203
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:24,800
Speaker 1: I don't even know if they were called jar heads

1204
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:25,199
at that point.

1205
01:02:25,239 --> 01:02:27,920
Speaker 2: They might have been, but were they kind of the

1206
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:29,639
the dummies the meatheads.

1207
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:33,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, I don't know.

1208
01:02:34,079 --> 01:02:37,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I'm sure one of our military listeners will

1209
01:02:37,599 --> 01:02:37,880
let us know.

1210
01:02:38,079 --> 01:02:46,119
Speaker 1: Yeah. And again, because the heat was horrible, flamethrowers were

1211
01:02:46,199 --> 01:02:50,360
used a lot. Things would get wet with rain and

1212
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:53,320
then get like start baking. He was so humid that

1213
01:02:53,639 --> 01:02:56,159
sledge in his book werecalled multiple times of having to

1214
01:02:56,199 --> 01:02:59,360
crawl over Japanese bodies and as his like arm would like,

1215
01:02:59,599 --> 01:03:02,199
I don't know, go across a guy's dead guy's face

1216
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:04,920
or whatever, like the skin would just slough off onto

1217
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:09,440
his sleeve, just like exposing the guy's cheek muscles or whatever.

1218
01:03:09,679 --> 01:03:17,039
Just literally the worst place that's maybe ever existed, all

1219
01:03:17,119 --> 01:03:20,679
for none. Yeah, there was no reason after the war,

1220
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:23,840
and really you actually after the battle, but especially after

1221
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:29,079
the war, Uh, people were like, why why did we

1222
01:03:29,239 --> 01:03:33,519
go there? Because MacArthur immediately was like, all right, we're

1223
01:03:33,519 --> 01:03:36,039
ready to take the Philippines. Let's do that. Palelu was

1224
01:03:36,119 --> 01:03:39,440
not really useful to attack the Philippines, so the airfield

1225
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:44,519
became kind of pointless, and the Japanese defenders on the

1226
01:03:44,639 --> 01:03:49,840
island could not kill anything in the water, you know

1227
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:52,239
what I mean. It wasn't a submarine base. They didn't

1228
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:54,840
have big enough guns to sink a battleship or an

1229
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:58,760
aircraft carrier. You could have just you have just skipped it, yep,

1230
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:04,239
could have just skipped it. And Palelu never played an

1231
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:07,760
important role in any any subsequent battle or operation of

1232
01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:08,159
the war.

1233
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:11,000
Speaker 2: It was sometimes you just got a side quest.

1234
01:04:11,239 --> 01:04:16,000
Speaker 1: The highest casualty rate of any amphibious operation in the

1235
01:04:16,079 --> 01:04:22,920
Pacific War. Now, not long after I think Iwajima was

1236
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:25,239
like February forty five or something like that.

1237
01:04:26,679 --> 01:04:27,719
Speaker 2: It's pretty late in the game.

1238
01:04:29,239 --> 01:04:31,480
Speaker 1: Well there's eight nine months left in the war at

1239
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:36,519
that point. Yeah, And Iwajima had a similar situation where

1240
01:04:36,719 --> 01:04:39,719
you know, they had some token, they had beach resistance,

1241
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:41,880
but really it was all about the caves and all

1242
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:45,840
that stuff. So the Japanese had the same plan at

1243
01:04:46,199 --> 01:04:49,360
Ewa Jiba they had at Pelulu and.

1244
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:52,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's really all I'm kind of picturing right now

1245
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:56,960
is the movie Letters from Ewajima and all the scenes

1246
01:04:57,000 --> 01:04:58,039
of them popping out of the ground.

1247
01:04:58,199 --> 01:05:02,280
Speaker 1: It's the same thing, same thing, same thing. The American

1248
01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:07,519
high command did not make many adjustments after Pala Lou.

1249
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:11,800
Speaker 2: They were just like, I don't know, we won, Yeah,

1250
01:05:12,239 --> 01:05:13,840
why making in game adjustment?

1251
01:05:14,039 --> 01:05:19,599
Speaker 1: Right? We got the dub, we we scored. What do

1252
01:05:19,679 --> 01:05:21,239
you want now?

1253
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:24,280
Speaker 2: Was it pretty? No, not at all.

1254
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:26,239
Speaker 1: It wouldn't a pretty win, but I'll take it.

1255
01:05:27,519 --> 01:05:29,320
Speaker 2: Win's a win. When wins a win if you got

1256
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:30,840
bodies and Catholics a throw.

1257
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:34,280
Speaker 1: So they didn't really adjust their tactics very much. They

1258
01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:37,559
were just like, boy, that was rougher than the last one.

1259
01:05:40,119 --> 01:05:41,800
Speaker 2: Are we good at in game adjustments?

1260
01:05:43,199 --> 01:05:46,800
Speaker 1: Yeah? Totally. But I think they just were like, I

1261
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:47,679
don't know, it's working.

1262
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:52,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we just I think we're good pre game.

1263
01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:57,880
Speaker 1: I think we're bad pregame. No you do, Okay, let

1264
01:05:57,920 --> 01:06:01,119
me take them back now, we elite pregame.

1265
01:06:02,199 --> 01:06:03,519
Speaker 2: Maybe that's what I'm basing off of.

1266
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:09,440
Speaker 1: Up to World War Two, we were dogshit pre game.

1267
01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:15,400
We got off to pretty bad starts in the Revolution

1268
01:06:16,559 --> 01:06:20,079
eighteen twelve. I think the Mexican War, we just dominated

1269
01:06:20,119 --> 01:06:25,440
the whole time. So hell yeah, Civil War obviously two

1270
01:06:25,559 --> 01:06:28,840
years of dog shit before we got anything done, except

1271
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:29,400
on the West.

1272
01:06:29,639 --> 01:06:32,360
Speaker 2: Had to get grant, had to call them up to

1273
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:33,039
the miners.

1274
01:06:33,199 --> 01:06:37,400
Speaker 1: Yep. The Spanish Marian War is a hard one to quantify.

1275
01:06:37,559 --> 01:06:41,480
It was three months, yeah, and and Spain was like

1276
01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:45,320
a paper tiger. Doesn't even do it justice. It was

1277
01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:48,519
like a paper bobcat.

1278
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:50,679
Speaker 2: Spain's not a real empire, it was.

1279
01:06:52,559 --> 01:06:55,280
Speaker 1: It wasn't even a shell of its former self. Like

1280
01:06:56,199 --> 01:06:59,199
I know it's in Europe and it has a rich history,

1281
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:02,719
but we were fighting a third world country pretty much

1282
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:06,880
like Spain was ass at that point. World War One

1283
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:09,079
didn't get off to a great start. World War two

1284
01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:16,599
decent start, but could have been a lot better. Got

1285
01:07:16,719 --> 01:07:21,039
hammered obviously in Casserine Pass, Pearl Harbor. But we won

1286
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:23,920
big early battles in World War Two, like Midway and

1287
01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:27,079
stuff like that, so we did better from the jump.

1288
01:07:27,639 --> 01:07:32,400
Speaker 2: Pearl Harbor was like going to practice hungover, not expecting

1289
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:36,320
to have to play a tournament. Yeah, like, oh, I

1290
01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:37,920
guess we're playing five games today.

1291
01:07:38,239 --> 01:07:43,760
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and you just you're just shitting your pants

1292
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:46,599
and puking by the end of the second game, just out.

1293
01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:50,519
But I mean we did we did do well from

1294
01:07:50,599 --> 01:07:53,480
the start. I think in the Pacific Theater for sure, Emick.

1295
01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:58,800
We won Guadalcanal and Midway and forty two, which was

1296
01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:01,360
for all intense purposes. The first year of the war

1297
01:08:03,559 --> 01:08:06,559
Europe took a little longer. I mean, we got shwacked

1298
01:08:06,599 --> 01:08:11,039
at Casserine Pass, and I think we needed some adjustments

1299
01:08:11,119 --> 01:08:14,599
in North Africa before we kind of like really got

1300
01:08:14,639 --> 01:08:20,560
our footing. But then after World War Two, I think

1301
01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:23,000
we've been pretty good. From the Korea was a weird one. Actually,

1302
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:26,359
we got like pushed to the brink in Korea and

1303
01:08:26,359 --> 01:08:29,680
then just started like we just got like cornered. And

1304
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:31,720
it's like a boxer in a corner, like a UFC

1305
01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:34,159
fire gets corner and then just like punches his way

1306
01:08:34,199 --> 01:08:35,920
out of it in a way that's just insane and

1307
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:36,840
takes the upper hand.

1308
01:08:38,199 --> 01:08:40,159
Speaker 2: Or you know a lot of people would say a

1309
01:08:40,239 --> 01:08:41,119
cornered animal.

1310
01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:47,039
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. But since then we've been pretty good. From

1311
01:08:47,079 --> 01:08:50,000
the jump, I mean, Desert Storm was a clown show.

1312
01:08:50,159 --> 01:08:53,680
I mean that was absurd, how easy that was. Obviously

1313
01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:56,119
we rolled over a rack in Afghanistan pretty quickly. It

1314
01:08:56,199 --> 01:08:59,479
was more the after everything, after the initial stuff.

1315
01:08:59,359 --> 01:09:05,079
Speaker 2: Right, it's maintaining Yeah, yeah, uh no, I don't know.

1316
01:09:05,359 --> 01:09:08,119
Speaker 1: We were always winning in nom Like we weren't losing

1317
01:09:08,199 --> 01:09:12,279
fights in Vietnam. Yes, we technically lost, we did, but

1318
01:09:12,359 --> 01:09:14,560
we weren't ever losing fights. We just it was our fault.

1319
01:09:15,079 --> 01:09:17,760
It's my parents' fault, your parents fault.

1320
01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:21,880
Speaker 2: Like you said, news gets to the public and they

1321
01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:22,800
want to make us quit.

1322
01:09:23,199 --> 01:09:25,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're like, why are we there? What is this for?

1323
01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:27,560
Is it draft?

1324
01:09:29,319 --> 01:09:30,439
Speaker 2: Hopefully it doesn't repeat.

1325
01:09:32,199 --> 01:09:33,680
Speaker 1: But that's all I got today. On the Battle of

1326
01:09:33,720 --> 01:09:39,079
Pale Lou arguably the worst battle, the grossest battle the

1327
01:09:39,359 --> 01:09:40,399
entire Pacific theater.

1328
01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:42,119
Speaker 2: I don't think I'm picking that one to go to.

1329
01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:46,439
Speaker 1: No, No, you don't want flies.

1330
01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:49,640
Speaker 2: It's for none, Like, there's no glory, there's.

1331
01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:51,520
Speaker 1: No point to any of it. It is. It is

1332
01:09:53,199 --> 01:09:55,720
one of the most you can get eaten by crabs,

1333
01:09:55,960 --> 01:09:58,880
sort of storied chapters in Marine Corps history.

1334
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:03,319
Speaker 2: Se body carried off by a just a group of crabs.

1335
01:10:04,079 --> 01:10:06,000
Your dead bodies, crowd crowds are from a crab.

1336
01:10:06,119 --> 01:10:11,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, and apparently and like or if you if the

1337
01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:13,560
crabs don't even get to you yet, like your body

1338
01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:15,279
just explodes like a dead whale.

1339
01:10:16,439 --> 01:10:19,960
Speaker 2: It's all bloated. Yeah, no, no, thanks, Bud.

1340
01:10:20,479 --> 01:10:24,359
Speaker 1: It's, in my opinion, the grossest battle of the war.

1341
01:10:24,439 --> 01:10:27,560
Speaker 2: People do not just because of the steaks. There are

1342
01:10:27,640 --> 01:10:32,039
no they're none none. These people die for nothing, for

1343
01:10:32,159 --> 01:10:33,279
an airbase we didn't use.

1344
01:10:36,319 --> 01:10:38,600
Speaker 1: So when I talk about when the Pacific theater is

1345
01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:43,880
just criminally underrated, criminally forgotten because you know it's not sexy.

1346
01:10:45,079 --> 01:10:49,279
Speaker 2: No, no, it's not what you know, black and white.

1347
01:10:50,239 --> 01:10:54,640
Speaker 1: Well, it's pretty black and white. Japanese were evil. Yeah,

1348
01:10:55,239 --> 01:10:56,199
every inches a year.

1349
01:10:56,239 --> 01:10:58,920
Speaker 2: You're just talking about a guy collecting teeth and skulls

1350
01:10:59,640 --> 01:11:00,119
and the and.

1351
01:11:00,439 --> 01:11:03,680
Speaker 1: They they made us do that. They broke us, Yeah

1352
01:11:04,119 --> 01:11:07,159
they did. There's only so many of your friends you

1353
01:11:07,199 --> 01:11:08,640
can find with their dicks in their mouths.

1354
01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:10,079
Speaker 2: You get a fight on their level.

1355
01:11:10,239 --> 01:11:15,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, before you're like, well, I'm done, I'm done being

1356
01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:16,319
a human being.

1357
01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:21,920
Speaker 2: Those people came back to this country. I know we

1358
01:11:22,039 --> 01:11:24,520
need to follow up on what happened to them. Everybody

1359
01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:25,600
that came back from this battle.

1360
01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:28,520
Speaker 1: What happened So that one guy was like, yeah, things

1361
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:30,199
got a little crazy, I guess.

1362
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:37,000
Speaker 2: They had families, children, tell us about the war. Paul

1363
01:11:37,560 --> 01:11:42,800
started companies here. Maybe not maybe definitely. They were union men,

1364
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:47,239
they were They really put us in the position we're

1365
01:11:47,279 --> 01:11:47,560
in now.

1366
01:11:50,079 --> 01:11:51,520
Speaker 1: It's not it's not no, it's not in that.

1367
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:57,720
Speaker 2: Those their kids, okay, the boomers, Yeah, yeah, well they

1368
01:11:58,239 --> 01:11:59,039
raised those kids.

1369
01:12:00,159 --> 01:12:02,840
Speaker 1: You know what, it's it's hard to focus on your

1370
01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:05,640
kid when you keep remembering your friend getting eaten by crabs.

1371
01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:10,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, one of them though. Right now, I'm sure there's

1372
01:12:10,359 --> 01:12:13,560
a skull being passed from a generation to generation.

1373
01:12:14,279 --> 01:12:15,359
Speaker 1: How'd you get this, Grandpa?

1374
01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:17,159
Speaker 2: Is that a real Japanese skull?

1375
01:12:17,439 --> 01:12:21,680
Speaker 1: Well, there was a Japanese man who was very much alive,

1376
01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:30,239
and he was crawling, begging whatevers worshiped for the sweet

1377
01:12:30,279 --> 01:12:32,640
release of death. And I said, you know what, buddy,

1378
01:12:33,039 --> 01:12:35,840
I'll give it to you as slowly as possible. And

1379
01:12:35,880 --> 01:12:37,279
I just got a sow it as head off for

1380
01:12:37,359 --> 01:12:40,119
a while, there wasn't a lot going on. And then

1381
01:12:40,159 --> 01:12:46,199
I skinned it, steamed it, put it in my bag, brought.

1382
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:47,840
Speaker 2: It home, turned it into a coffee mug.

1383
01:12:48,199 --> 01:12:50,239
Speaker 1: It's why your grandmother never came into a man cave.

1384
01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:55,319
She didn't like anything that was in there. No it's

1385
01:12:55,399 --> 01:12:58,840
deeply haunted. It's just a Poulter Guys situation.

1386
01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:03,840
Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, that's a skip over this island for our

1387
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:05,520
future Halloween horror tour.

1388
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:10,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. Probably probably. I really don't even know.

1389
01:13:11,119 --> 01:13:13,800
Speaker 2: Let men even get to it? Would you want to

1390
01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:14,279
get to it?

1391
01:13:15,279 --> 01:13:17,039
Speaker 1: You can get to it, it is.

1392
01:13:17,279 --> 01:13:18,800
Speaker 2: Is there a population that lives on it now?

1393
01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:21,680
Speaker 1: Yeah? One hundred percent. You I just saw the flight.

1394
01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:25,000
It was like two thousand dollars gross. Obviously it's more

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than one.

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Speaker 2: What's gone up because of the oil prices?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, certainly it is in Oh my god, there's

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like hotels and shit. There's a place called Honeymoon Beach. Oh,

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I don't think. I don't think that's what what people

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think it is.

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Speaker 2: It's like Bloody Nose Cliff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh yeah, man, this place, it's just in the

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middle of it.

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Speaker 2: Really misnamed.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. Submarine was like Honeymoon's over and then it

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just stuck Honeymoon Beach. Yeah. I'm getting like shitty internet

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right now, so I can't do right look at it.

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Speaker 2: But I pay for the highest internet here. Then apparently

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it just drops out all the time.

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Speaker 1: She a Google yep. So yeah, it's part of Plow.

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Speaker 2: It's like a smaller island, uh, apart take a ferry from.

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Speaker 1: To Palelu probably, but there is uh there's like memorials

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to the Marines and the and the eighty first Infantry.

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Speaker 2: To really small, well really tiny.

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Speaker 1: It was, yeah, super tiny. The airfield's still there. So

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now you just land on it. I guess to visit.

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Speaker 2: You see the whole island in thirty minutes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know that. There's a lot of stuff though,

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doesn't look like it. We get the satellite view. I

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don't know where. I don't think you can stay on

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this island.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was wrong about the hotels. Uh, yeah, you

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just visit it. You have to stay on Plow probably.

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And here's the other thing too, not a fun vacation

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because the beach isn't when it's one hundred and ten degrees.

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Speaker 2: The water is boiling.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's like going to Galveston.

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Speaker 2: Yeah fuck that.

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Speaker 1: But you can't stay on Palau, which.

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Speaker 2: Is Galveston somehow wears the bigger isley.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Texas beaches are gross, but.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's all I got for today. On the Battle

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of Pale lou the grossest battle in the Pacific theater

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of World War Two.

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Speaker 2: What'd you learn to all this all this pointless information? Thanks, No,

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it's not that, it's just there was no reason to

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fight this battle, no at all. No, And honestly, that's

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what I learned. Most battles, probably in human history, didn't

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really result in the objective.

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Speaker 1: The decisive thing it was aiming for, And a lot of.

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Speaker 2: People died throughout human history for nothing. Oh yeah, most

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people actually have died in human history for nothing.

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Speaker 1: I mean most of the battles you think about. I

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always like to just think about that. It's like some

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guy was out of battle being like for my country,

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for my family, this is everything. And then now like

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now we're just like, well, like the guy just got

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cut in half by a broad sword, and we're like,

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just got a spear through the face, and we were

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like thankfully.

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Speaker 2: On the Patreon on Wednesday, we will be talking about

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a battle the Head, Consequences and mattered sweet can't wait.

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Medieval battle though.

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Speaker 1: Who's today's hit hitler?

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Speaker 2: Today's hitler, I'm gonna say, is the guys that decided

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to drag men into caves and cut off their package, yeah,

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and shoved in their mouths. Yeah, that's not cool, dude,

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not sweet.

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Speaker 1: It's not sweet.

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Speaker 2: I just have an agreement as a society, as a

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human species, to leave people's junk alone.

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Speaker 1: Ye, boobs wieners because the Japanese cut off boobs a.

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Speaker 2: Lot too, head or heart shots. Let's not torture.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. It also just strikes me as odd because like, Okay,

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I get it, you're angry, and essentially they know they're

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gonna die, so they don't care about anything. But it's

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like I'm not gonna win you in the battle, like they're.

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Speaker 2: They're still coming and now they're angry.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and now they're just mad. But they didn't want

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to they didn't want to surrender anyway, So I guess

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Speaker 2: You just got sauce served