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Speaker 3: Listen Clinical Podcast Episode four sixty two. I'm Brandon over.
Speaker 3: Here's Ryan. We're gonna think outside the box now in
Speaker 3: our theme.
Speaker 2: So hey Ryan, We're back for yet another whirlwind adventure.
Speaker 3: How you do it good?
Speaker 1: What is going down?
Speaker 3: A whole ton is going down? Today?
Speaker 2: We're gonna kind of continue a bit of what we
Speaker 2: talked about last week. We're gonna talk about deck building
Speaker 2: challenges for new players experienced players, thinking out the box
Speaker 2: as the thinking out the box, thinking out the box,
Speaker 2: thinking outside the box as more ubiquity creeps its way
Speaker 2: into the game, how we can kind of avoid that
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Speaker 2: I have a package that's out right now. Not magic related,
Speaker 2: but it's just it's out and I keep getting like
Speaker 2: the things. Your package is on its way, like three
Speaker 2: o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 1: I love having my package out in three in the morning.
Speaker 2: And then I get another email like six, well when
Speaker 2: I'm still home.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we tried to deliver it, but you weren't there.
Speaker 2: At six o'clock in the morning. Mm hmmm, A, no,
Speaker 2: you didn't because I'm home.
Speaker 3: And b who does that? What kind of mailman knocks
Speaker 3: on the door at six it nobody does that. All
Speaker 3: I want is my stuff.
Speaker 1: I'll be knocking on the door of killing Uncle Brando
Speaker 1: Fimo in Sidewalk Slam Season two finale. We're gonna do
Speaker 1: it right here in the Dufferin Avenue Media Network Network
Speaker 1: Network Studio. We're gonna change the tables we've got, We've
Speaker 1: got the benches, we've got the ceiling cameras, we've got
Speaker 1: the sidewalk. We've got the sidewalk over there. Producer Gary's
Speaker 1: gonna be doing all the switchboard. It's gonna uh, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be a ton of fun. Super excited if you
Speaker 1: want to be part of the Sidewalk Slam. We just
Speaker 1: finished the deck selection the voting for me to day,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be playing a deck that was voted on
Speaker 1: by the patrons. You're gonna have to tune in to
Speaker 1: see what deck it is. I'm not giving it away,
Speaker 1: and big thanks to the patrons who make all that possible.
Speaker 2: Under normal circumstances, I would ruin it for you, but
Speaker 2: I totally forgot what deck you said.
Speaker 1: So, oh yeah, we've talked about it on the show before.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1: It's one of my newer decks. But it's one that
Speaker 1: I'm sure can drop some some fatties. It's probably probably
Speaker 1: it can drop the fat fat on Uncle Brando's face.
Speaker 2: Face, it's gonna be Animar because that's the only way
Speaker 2: he's gonna beat me.
Speaker 1: I did beat you with Animar the other day. We
Speaker 1: had a we were both playing Animar and we just
Speaker 1: pounded some guys at the LGS.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was some shit.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, speaking of getting pounded, we have a new
Speaker 1: patron who needs their Patreon nickname. Okay, okay, So you
Speaker 1: know one of the benefits well, yeah, yeah, one of
Speaker 1: the benefits is of course getting in the discord voting
Speaker 1: on decks. Actual benefits going to the c Seal experience
Speaker 1: with is all booked up in Calgary in November.
Speaker 3: That's gonna be so fun. I'm looking forward to seeing everybody.
Speaker 1: I am actually looking forward to it. It feels a lot
Speaker 1: lower stress than a lot of the other experiences that
Speaker 1: I've gone to, which is very good for me.
Speaker 2: That's because it's basically us not going anywhere. Really, Calgary
Speaker 2: is basically just six hours across Toway.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I do know how to drive there. I
Speaker 1: know everywhere in the city that I need to go,
Speaker 1: where it all is, and how to get there. I
Speaker 1: know all of my favorite restaurants, bars, places to buy beer,
Speaker 1: and I know where the venue is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no moty random, where's the liquor store? Where's
Speaker 3: the thing that a uber or something?
Speaker 1: Nah?
Speaker 3: No, man, we know what everything is.
Speaker 1: Can I drive?
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're just gonna take the train. It's gonna be great.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I want to buy some new socks. Oh, I'm
Speaker 2: really excited a lot of my socks. I always give
Speaker 2: these guys a show out, even though they.
Speaker 3: Don't ask for it. But sock Rocket so good. They
Speaker 3: buy the best socks.
Speaker 2: And for every pair of socks you buy from them,
Speaker 2: they don't ate like three or four pairs to underprivileged children.
Speaker 3: In Calgary and homeless.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So, like it's great stuff and the socks are really good.
Speaker 3: I'm wearing them literally right now.
Speaker 1: I buy the hockey socks for my son every time
Speaker 1: I go. And if you know, like your inner sock
Speaker 1: that's in your skate. This isn't a scathing review against
Speaker 1: soft Rocket, but we go through lots of socks in
Speaker 1: my house, as you can imagine, playing hockey five times
Speaker 1: a freaking week. So I buy multiples of the hockey
Speaker 1: sock for my son.
Speaker 3: There you go, there it is.
Speaker 1: So all of that is to say those are the
Speaker 1: Patreon benefits. Yes, and we have a new Patreon, a pseudonym,
Speaker 1: but a good one that I'm sure we could dirtify.
Speaker 3: Okay, c ceo it up if you will.
Speaker 1: Okay, Joppy joppy hoppy like sloppy or h yes or
Speaker 1: jaloppy sloppy, sloppy GALOPPI sloppy jail. Isn't that a magic card?
Speaker 2: No, there's a magic card called Sloppy Galoppy. It needs
Speaker 2: to be legendary so I can make yes.
Speaker 1: No, it's it's a dodgy gealoppie. It's a vehicle. I
Speaker 1: play it in my Dinosaur and Vehicle deck.
Speaker 3: Is it from the Riverdale Universes beyond?
Speaker 1: No, nobody got that I did, and I certainly don't
Speaker 1: want that to be a frickin thing.
Speaker 3: No, No, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Man, like the Riverdale series near the end that superpowers
Speaker 2: and traveled through time like it's basically a doctor who
Speaker 2: except the superpowers.
Speaker 1: Oh, I didn't want to know that, and I'm not
Speaker 1: happy that I did.
Speaker 3: Archie's Wolverine and Bedy can like I mind.
Speaker 1: I was thinking of like the Archie cartoon got the
Speaker 1: same color hair as Archie has bullied in high school
Speaker 1: and an elementary school and a preschool for being for
Speaker 1: having red hair. Yeah, Archie could get it.
Speaker 3: What were you fucking I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe they never read Archie before.
Speaker 3: Man ho No, we even on the cover of every
Speaker 3: Archie comic. Is Archie fucking getting it?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Like that guy smashed.
Speaker 2: More ass than anybody in comic book history and he's
Speaker 2: like fourteen.
Speaker 1: Yeah I didn't. Maybe that's why I got bullied.
Speaker 2: Like that guy just demolished chicks all the time, yea,
Speaker 2: which isn't what it's all about, but it's not something
Speaker 2: you should probably get bullied for.
Speaker 1: No, also got called Tintin quite a bit.
Speaker 3: That one makes more sense.
Speaker 1: That one makes more sense, especially the twenty ten Tintin
Speaker 1: like a digitally animated remake.
Speaker 3: Because he was always kind of like a little like.
Speaker 1: A what he's a detective and looked like me, we's.
Speaker 3: This shitty detective. Though it's not very good.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I never saw the twenty ten remake, but
Speaker 1: I watched the shit out of Tintin the cartoon like
Speaker 1: in the nineties. That was a good show.
Speaker 3: I like the Captain.
Speaker 1: Captain had it all so funny and for some reason
Speaker 1: he always got into antics in trouble when he's brushing
Speaker 1: his teeth. It's like, what this guy has like a
Speaker 1: traumatic experience every time he's brushing his teeth. That's the
Speaker 1: only thing I remember about that one from when I
Speaker 1: was a child. You probably remember more because you were
Speaker 1: a grown man in the nineties. That's right, in the
Speaker 1: eighteen nineties.
Speaker 3: I always tell him born in ninety one.
Speaker 1: Beat into the tar Tarzan and Tintin podcast. We got
Speaker 1: a sloppy jeloppy patron that we wanted to say thank
Speaker 1: you for. Now to continue from last week.
Speaker 2: He's always dodging slop and his jealopy. You could google
Speaker 2: that maybe, but you probably should.
Speaker 1: I don't Google could probably make sense. You know what
Speaker 1: you could do jodge and slop in your jalop. You
Speaker 1: could you could put that into like an AI art
Speaker 1: generator and probably get something dirty.
Speaker 3: Oh you don't know. It would just kick you out.
Speaker 2: You would just install a virus on your computer and
Speaker 2: from this give you some slopping your jalop.
Speaker 1: Right, okay, continuation from last week. We pulled the patrons
Speaker 1: and said what kind of stuff do you want more of?
Speaker 1: Do you want more? Deck text janky or competitive, et cetera.
Speaker 1: Do you want more topics? Do you want something else?
Speaker 1: And a lot of people picked janky deck texts, which
Speaker 1: we are wont to do every once in a while,
Speaker 1: if you know what we're saying, and more topics about
Speaker 1: generally the goings on of magic and product and the
Speaker 1: cultural stuff that I liked talk about so much. Last
Speaker 1: week we had Thomas on talking about his charity, which
Speaker 1: is probably over by the time you're listening to this show.
Speaker 1: But if trash Ante is still on, check out the
Speaker 1: show last week.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the check it out anyway, because it's a
Speaker 3: really good thing. Bring it to your own community.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, for sure, you've got your deck built. I
Speaker 1: know what it is. I don't think anybody else does,
Speaker 1: do you though you told.
Speaker 2: Me, ah yes, but at this point I have built too.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay. So the budget or the
Speaker 1: constraint last week was budget. That's the challenge. That was
Speaker 1: the thing that you maybe have to think outside of
Speaker 1: the box to kind of get around not being able
Speaker 1: to buy a new product or not being able to
Speaker 1: afford the single that you want. If your playgroup doesn't
Speaker 1: do the proxy thing, which we're not here to talk about.
Speaker 1: That's not this conversation. But like us, we played in LGS.
Speaker 1: It's all done through the companion apps. So they're all
Speaker 1: like registered games.
Speaker 3: No, they're all like.
Speaker 1: Sanctioned games, sanctioned games. So our LGS owner a little
Speaker 1: while ago said, hey, no proxies, guys, these are sanctioned games.
Speaker 1: Play with real cards, or don't play that is, go
Speaker 1: play with the Coachman licensed beverage room, which we also do.
Speaker 3: Yes, we do that as well.
Speaker 1: So the budget became a hot topic at our LGS
Speaker 1: for a while, and not wanting to play expensive cards
Speaker 1: or having proxies till I drop it, then I take
Speaker 1: it out of a box, and just kind of the
Speaker 1: social kind of taboo that that that was at the
Speaker 1: time for us, like people saying, oh, hold on, I
Speaker 1: got to take my whatever out of the bag and
Speaker 1: play it. I got to take it out of its
Speaker 1: top loader, or hey, is it okay if it goes
Speaker 1: back into my hand, if I use my proxy whatever? Right,
Speaker 1: So budget was a thing, But there's other challenges as
Speaker 1: a magic player knew or experience that that you could
Speaker 1: run into, and we want to talk a little bit
Speaker 1: about those kinds of things. So I have got deck
Speaker 1: building challenges and specifically not using dhreck as a means
Speaker 1: to think outside of the.
Speaker 3: Box, because it doesn't anymore.
Speaker 1: It doesn't. No, dh wreck is a conglomerate or it
Speaker 1: scrapes all the all the websites that it does for
Speaker 1: the most common things in each deck.
Speaker 2: It's a fantastic resource, but if you're build from it exclusively,
Speaker 2: your deck is going to probably start to feel like
Speaker 2: everybody else.
Speaker 3: And we want we used to talk about this all
Speaker 3: the time in the early days of Commander Cookoa.
Speaker 1: Like the Milk list.
Speaker 3: There's the Zata deck. Yes, right, there's the whatever deck.
Speaker 2: And now because of like DH's dhreck is so prolific,
Speaker 2: I would say that a lot of decks now, like
Speaker 2: it's getting hard to find, not the this deck, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's this is the Bellow list, This is the.
Speaker 1: I have a perfect example. So I'm thinking of building
Speaker 1: a Questing Beast deck, yes, out of because questing b
Speaker 1: says damage from your creatures can't be prevented, correct, But
Speaker 1: when I cast fog, it says prevent all damage. Right,
Speaker 1: So if I swing in or you swing in and
Speaker 1: I block, and then I cast fog, your creatures still
Speaker 1: take damage mine, don't. I was so amazed by this
Speaker 1: deck at Commandfest Bellevue a few years ago that I
Speaker 1: was like, Man, I gotta build this. It's so funny.
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah insert trash ante. I'm trying to build
Speaker 1: a deck. I look up what else is in Questing Beast? Like?
Speaker 1: Is it just big green fatties? Is there lots of ramp?
Speaker 1: What does that deck look like? Fast forward like from
Speaker 1: then when I discovered that deck in the wild to
Speaker 1: now one hundred percent dh reck. It plays every single
Speaker 1: fog that's what you do with that deck. Now it's
Speaker 1: kind of been solved. And though I think that edh
Speaker 1: Commander and Magic is too big of a puzzle to
Speaker 1: solve and there's a lot of player error in there
Speaker 1: that makes it unsolvable, but to me, it's like, Oh,
Speaker 1: I don't want to build Questing Beasts now because that's
Speaker 1: what everybody's doing, and that's not how we kind of
Speaker 1: built command or Cookout, because that's not who we are
Speaker 1: as deck builders. Now. You are very famously and on
Speaker 1: the record of saying you do not use edh Reck
Speaker 1: to build decks.
Speaker 3: Don't.
Speaker 1: How do you do it? What do you do to
Speaker 1: not build something that everybody else built, though still keeping
Speaker 1: a mind for like making your decks unique, interesting and powerful.
Speaker 2: Here's my typical procedure now because it has changed my
Speaker 2: deck building.
Speaker 3: Not philosophy, but just the way I go about doing
Speaker 3: it has changed a lot over the last little while.
Speaker 2: In that, I mean, first you go to what you
Speaker 2: have obviously, Yeah, And again I can say that I
Speaker 2: come from a place where I can.
Speaker 1: Do that because you've played magic for nine hundred years exactly. Yea.
Speaker 2: So like I've got a collection that goes back a
Speaker 2: long way, and I've got stuff from then. So when
Speaker 2: I go to what I have, I have lots of
Speaker 2: things that other people don't.
Speaker 1: Like. If you're building a dinosaur and vehicle deck and
Speaker 1: you need a dodgy GALOPI you just go into the
Speaker 1: binder or your capenna stuff or your stack of vehicles
Speaker 1: that were like holding up a table, Yeah, and you
Speaker 1: just pick a dodgy geloppe, put it in your.
Speaker 3: Deck and there it is. Yeah, I actually do have
Speaker 3: a pile of vehicles. I went through it the other day. Here,
Speaker 3: I've got a stack of vehicles. So what I.
Speaker 2: Typically will do and to avoid using dh records. I
Speaker 2: look at a card and I go, what does this
Speaker 2: shit do?
Speaker 1: What does this like a card or a commander?
Speaker 3: Commander?
Speaker 1: Oh, what does this car do?
Speaker 2: And how can I make it do those things? And
Speaker 2: then you kind of go through and you find like, Okay,
Speaker 2: it has to be these colors and it has to
Speaker 2: do whatever, it has to do something when it enters
Speaker 2: the battlefield.
Speaker 3: Let's just say that. Yeah, so you find all the.
Speaker 2: Things in those colors that enter the battlefield to make
Speaker 2: a big stack out of them. And then here's the
Speaker 2: this is the crutch part, which is why I wanted
Speaker 2: to talk about this because this is part that I
Speaker 2: think lots of people have a hard time with. Is
Speaker 2: once you've got all the things that enter the battlefield,
Speaker 2: then you fill it out with the other ship that
Speaker 2: goes in those colors. Let's say you're playing groll because
Speaker 2: of course it's me, so I'm playing gross.
Speaker 1: Let me go onto eeda trek dot com and see
Speaker 1: what what you don't even want my removal spells are
Speaker 1: and what my ramp spells are.
Speaker 2: You don't even have to because you know them off
Speaker 2: the top of your head. You get a chaoswarp, you
Speaker 2: get a beast within sure, get a maybe a fog frog,
Speaker 2: you get a rampant growth, you get.
Speaker 1: It, cultivate, Cadamas, lightning bold.
Speaker 2: There's all these cards that just kind of and okay,
Speaker 2: you dump those in and then I'll just take that
Speaker 2: pile of shit that's one hundred cards big, and I'll
Speaker 2: just play it.
Speaker 3: I'll play it as it is, as a piece of trash.
Speaker 2: And then as I run into cards that don't work,
Speaker 2: like we saw yesterday, I played a necro boom game
Speaker 2: with Ryan and so Cam, I'm trying to slow this
Speaker 2: down a little bit, and so I'm trying to identify
Speaker 2: pieces that I can take out.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, alive. Okay, let's remember this example because let's
Speaker 1: let's go back to this when we talk about tuning
Speaker 1: a deck, whether you want to make it more or less.
Speaker 3: Powerful, Because so I found we identified a card.
Speaker 2: Okay, this has to go because it's like it's in
Speaker 2: the pile, but it makes the deck be way up
Speaker 2: here when it could be down when I want it
Speaker 2: in the middle somewhere.
Speaker 1: Yes, or the opposite, like what would normally be the circumstance.
Speaker 1: I'm playing this card, I'm goldfishing, whether it be a
Speaker 1: stack of one hundred and forty cards, or I'm I've
Speaker 1: got it down to my hundred and I'm tweaking a
Speaker 1: little bit by just playing it out by myself against
Speaker 1: a Goldfish opponent. They can't think they don't do anything.
Speaker 1: I'm just playing magic. I've played maybe five Goldfish games,
Speaker 1: and three of those games I've drawn this card, this
Speaker 1: five drop that it's like what I do, I've never
Speaker 1: cast it, I don't do anything with it, or it's
Speaker 1: not as good as I thought. Take it out right.
Speaker 2: And then once I have that pile, once I start
Speaker 2: look at the okay, I'm going to start going outside
Speaker 2: of what I'm gonna do. What I'll usually look for
Speaker 2: is I think, okay, was there a set recently or
Speaker 2: in the past that does what I'm doing, Like, I
Speaker 2: can't use it.
Speaker 1: What's a good example of that clash from Lorwin.
Speaker 3: Or things that playing cards face down.
Speaker 2: Morph megamorph the what what the cloak disguise?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: So you go back to those sets and you look
Speaker 2: at them, and then then I find like, okay, like
Speaker 2: this set had some stuff and you you could do.
Speaker 1: A creative search on scrip fall. You go to advanced
Speaker 1: search and you go to like text and you type
Speaker 1: in face down creatures or morph and and then you
Speaker 1: select your colors, your commander, and then you get all
Speaker 1: of the face downs or morphs.
Speaker 2: Okay, And when you do that, when I when I
Speaker 2: do that, I'm coming through cards.
Speaker 3: Guys kind of like to read cards too. It's fun
Speaker 3: to see all the pictures and colors.
Speaker 2: And you know, I'm a child, and that's what And
Speaker 2: one of the things that's cool about that is when
Speaker 2: you're scrolling through lists, you're always going to find something
Speaker 2: else that that catches your eye, that's something neat right.
Speaker 1: And I've had the trajectory of a deck completely changed,
Speaker 1: Like Fork in the Road. It's like, I found this
Speaker 1: card that works in my deck and two cards that
Speaker 1: go with that down this left hand fork, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: I want to do that. I'm going to find two
Speaker 1: more cards that do that. Now I've got like five
Speaker 1: or six or ten cards that do this, like this
Speaker 1: sub theme you goldfish again, and it's like, Oh, this
Speaker 1: sub theme's actually better. I want to do this other thing.
Speaker 1: And my favorite thing when you talk about playing and
Speaker 1: searching and playing and searching, my favorite thing to have
Speaker 1: happened is oh, I'm taking this out because it isn't
Speaker 1: good enough, or it's from this theme that I thought
Speaker 1: I wanted, or from this type of card that I
Speaker 1: now have too much of. I don't need this many
Speaker 1: of this effect this redundancy. You open up a slot,
Speaker 1: and when I open up a slot, that's when I
Speaker 1: go to edh rec and say, what are people doing
Speaker 1: in this different theme? Might not even be the same Commander.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I'll just look in that color combination, what's this
Speaker 1: other theme? If I search like Teamer and more because
Speaker 1: I'm building an anamorph's deck, Sure, what's a card I
Speaker 1: didn't think of? That says when something's turned face up
Speaker 1: right because I don't own it, or because it's from
Speaker 1: Legions in two thousand and one. And then I'm then
Speaker 1: I'm outside of the box because I bet you you
Speaker 1: could create creatively make a search on edh reck if
Speaker 1: that's the tool that we're trying to steer away from.
Speaker 1: That says Teamer, Animar Commander, morph deck, and then there
Speaker 1: is a common build. But what if I want to
Speaker 1: do like morph double strike or morph Aggro and make
Speaker 1: it like a beatdown deck instead of like a deception deck.
Speaker 1: What if I want to spam flip and unflip to
Speaker 1: draw cards because there's that kind of effect whenever you
Speaker 1: turn face up, I draw card and instead of trying
Speaker 1: to animal combo with like a beast whisperer, sure eat.
Speaker 1: Whenever you cast a creature draw card, it's anim morphs.
Speaker 1: Whenever I turn face up draw card, sure, And then
Speaker 1: I'm accomplishing the same kind of thing that I know
Speaker 1: is powerful within my Animar kind of constraint.
Speaker 3: You're still doing a really cool thing.
Speaker 1: But I'm doing it in a way that's unique to
Speaker 1: my own build.
Speaker 3: And the people won't go.
Speaker 1: Ugh. I suppose they might if you do it enough times.
Speaker 1: They mean our particular example.
Speaker 3: Yes, right, that's the thing that I've always tried. What
Speaker 3: is that?
Speaker 1: Uh? Yeah, I think so. And when you when you
Speaker 1: take this, I want to specifically build this my own
Speaker 1: unique thing and put my stamp on it. There's usually
Speaker 1: extra steps because you're not doing the most efficient and
Speaker 1: most powerful thing. So it's like, yes, I can draw
Speaker 1: my whole deck by morphing creatures, but it's not just
Speaker 1: beast whisper and ancestral statue like Animar does. Right, two
Speaker 1: card combo with your commander it's like, oh, I need this,
Speaker 1: I need face up. I need this bounce thing. Animar's
Speaker 1: got to have three counters so I can cast face
Speaker 1: down with with Bubba blast.
Speaker 3: I need crystal shards so I can pounce my exodron.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exact exactly right. And then all of a sudden
Speaker 1: you've got like this Rube Goldberg machine or or like
Speaker 1: this totally unique not something that anybody's ever seen before
Speaker 1: kind of monstrosity.
Speaker 2: And but when you're going through all these lists and
Speaker 2: cards in fact that you're gonna find other things that
Speaker 2: will inspire you to either build other decks or change
Speaker 2: in direction. And I think that that's kind of where
Speaker 2: we hopefully get.
Speaker 3: Away from what edh wreck.
Speaker 2: Again, we're not using them as it's not a negative
Speaker 2: thing to use dhreck, No, absolutely, But if you want
Speaker 2: to build something different, it's better to have it come
Speaker 2: out of your brain then to look at what's established
Speaker 2: and then just not do that, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna do the exact opposite of whatever anybody
Speaker 2: else is doing. And that's how I'm going to be different,
Speaker 2: because that's not different, that's that's just as prescriptive. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get there by only taking left turns. If
Speaker 2: you get there by only taking right turns, you're doing something.
Speaker 3: It's the exact same, but like it's.
Speaker 1: Like that.
Speaker 3: Rite that example, you're gonna end up at the same place.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's fantastic.
Speaker 2: But and again, like you come across things like I
Speaker 2: wanted to talk without this car for so I'm just
Speaker 2: gonna say it because it's a budget card, but get it.
Speaker 3: And it's in my top five cards all time ever.
Speaker 1: Uncle Brando's Top five cards all time ever. Brash Hunter,
Speaker 1: brash Taunter, Brash Hunter, brash Taunter and.
Speaker 3: Azure Beast Binder Azure Azer Beastbinder.
Speaker 2: It's a little rat from Bloomboro that costs like fifty
Speaker 2: US sense it's like eighteen.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we talked about this card on our bloom
Speaker 1: Borger review. I remember he's so good.
Speaker 3: He's so good.
Speaker 2: After playing a few games with them, he's like, look
Speaker 2: that guy up. He's infuriatingly efficient. He can just turn
Speaker 2: somebody's deck all the way off or like protect you
Speaker 2: from something, or it's so like it's so political. It's like, hey,
Speaker 2: can I hit you for one so I can turn
Speaker 2: off this threat to.
Speaker 1: The table rat Rogue right blue one Vigilance two one three.
Speaker 1: Azurebeast Binder can't be blocked by creatures power to ur greater.
Speaker 1: Whenever Azure Beastbinder attacks up to one target artifact, creature
Speaker 1: or planes walker and opponent controls loses all abilities till
Speaker 1: and to turn. That creature also has base power.
Speaker 3: Until your next turn.
Speaker 2: That's why it's good because it's like, oh, in my
Speaker 2: example most recently, nice crash deck, bro, I'm gonna attack
Speaker 2: you who has nothing smaller than two for one damage,
Speaker 2: and I'm going to turn your crash into a two
Speaker 2: to two thereby turning.
Speaker 3: Your whole deck off. Yep, and then until my next turn,
Speaker 3: he can't do the thing. Right. It's so good, it's
Speaker 3: so good, and you wouldn't.
Speaker 1: Who'd have thought Top five of all time, azurebast Binder
Speaker 1: is going to be next to four brash Hunters, right man.
Speaker 2: It's like all four printings of brash Hunder and then
Speaker 2: Azerbeest Binder. Yeah, my list is getting bigger, and it's
Speaker 2: you find stuff like that when you just kind of
Speaker 2: you comb through. And we were talking about this a
Speaker 2: little bit earlier. I want to just make mention of it.
Speaker 2: People like Ryan and I we have these really deep collections,
Speaker 2: and maybe you do too, or maybe you're like Thomas
Speaker 2: and you've only been planned for a couple of.
Speaker 1: Years, Thomas from last week, and you.
Speaker 2: You don't have a huge deep collection. Well, one of
Speaker 2: the benefits of having a set release every fifteen minutes, yes,
Speaker 2: is there's new cards every fifteen minutes.
Speaker 1: I like how you went to this because this is
Speaker 1: actually going to be my next thing.
Speaker 2: And when they come out, they're very inexpensive and very
Speaker 2: accessible and very easy to get. So you can develop
Speaker 2: a really surprisingly deep collection without a ton of investment
Speaker 2: or effort, and you can do most of the same
Speaker 2: stuff that Ryan Orrobrando could do with some of the
Speaker 2: newer stuff, and it might not be as janky and hilarious.
Speaker 1: Well, or it might be because old.
Speaker 3: Cards are typically janky and hilarious. US A Storm Cauldron and.
Speaker 2: All these other yeah, yeah, right, yeah.
Speaker 1: Look at rares from Mirage and just tell me that
Speaker 1: those guys weren't smoking.
Speaker 3: Something exactly, Like, there's a lot of there's a lot
Speaker 3: of crack. Let's be honest, there's a lot of a
Speaker 3: lot of crack in a lot of butts and because
Speaker 3: but cracks.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I love buck cracks.
Speaker 2: And so you can do that now very efficiently and
Speaker 2: very quickly, just by paying attention to what's coming out,
Speaker 2: going through the list, like I said, and just kind
Speaker 2: of getting a little thirty and forty cent things that
Speaker 2: you pick up.
Speaker 3: Keep your chaff.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you, I'll tell you a story.
Speaker 3: Just keep a.
Speaker 2: Little stack of it somewhere in your house where nobody
Speaker 2: will find it, and then someday you're gonna be like, man,
Speaker 2: I really wish I had this shitty common from Time spiral.
Speaker 3: Man. It's like, oh wait, no, it was reprinted in
Speaker 3: modern ho ho ho ho ho ho ho.
Speaker 2: Ho squared And then you go and grab it out
Speaker 2: of the thing and you've got.
Speaker 3: It, and it's a dollar now because people want it.
Speaker 1: I have two stories now, oh man, Okay, I just
Speaker 1: did exactly what you're talking about. I need this piece
Speaker 1: of crap common from Lorwin to build my Marvel Deep
Speaker 1: operative deck. Okay, I need all four teen cards that
Speaker 1: have Clash on them, though I am only playing thirteen
Speaker 1: of them because one of them doesn't work with my deck. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like a clash. I don't know. I don't play it.
Speaker 3: I want to know what it is now.
Speaker 1: Ah, I don't remember. Okay, it doesn't matter. The point
Speaker 1: is I go into this big freakin' box of mine
Speaker 1: that I got as part of a collection, and it
Speaker 1: had it had from about Camagawa to about Zenda Car
Speaker 1: and it was like ten thousand commons like I'm talking
Speaker 1: like forty of the same common in some cases, and
Speaker 1: any of the Lotus pedal, No Lotus pedals, No Lotus pedals,
Speaker 1: but lots of things like Manageyser and Secure Tribeulder like
Speaker 1: playable cards. Sure, so, I says to myself, I says self,
Speaker 1: Probably you're gonna have to sit down on the floor
Speaker 1: of your office, drink a bunch of pile of bones
Speaker 1: beer yep, and go through ten thousand freakin' magic cards
Speaker 1: to find thirteen unique ones.
Speaker 2: I like that you didn't just put a period after
Speaker 2: drink a bunch of pilot bones beer, because that's what
Speaker 2: I usually do when I sit down to build decks.
Speaker 2: It's like I'm gonna drink a bunch of beer and
Speaker 2: then Sam calls it, just like, hey, what are you doing?
Speaker 3: It's like drinking all this beer.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I thought you said you're gonna do your magic stuff tonight. YEP,
Speaker 3: totally forgot. Yeah, I'm watching Friday the Thirteenth, Part three instead.
Speaker 3: So you went through ten thousand magic cards to find
Speaker 3: thirteen unique ones? Did you find them?
Speaker 1: Did?
Speaker 3: You're damn righty did did some? And remember going.
Speaker 2: Through because you don't have to have a collection of
Speaker 2: ten thousand magic cards. Maybe your store is the one
Speaker 2: of those ones that has like the shitty white Fox.
Speaker 2: That's how we hit yeah, right, and you can just
Speaker 2: Fisher and you're like, oh shit, like this is a
Speaker 2: cool one.
Speaker 1: A clash card here. You get a list on a
Speaker 1: little sticky note or on your phone like a normal
Speaker 1: human being, or you're.
Speaker 3: Right it on your hand. Yeah, you used to, because
Speaker 3: then you're looking at it while you're going through.
Speaker 1: I need this and this and this and this and
Speaker 1: this and like for me, like I'll do the creative
Speaker 1: scry Fall search, right, I'll go for Marvel particularly because
Speaker 1: this this has the very unique outside the box approach
Speaker 1: that we're talking about. I go to Scryfall Advanced Search.
Speaker 1: Blue black is my commander color identity that I set
Speaker 1: in the little check boxes, and I go clash fourteen
Speaker 1: cards come up or whatever, right, and I look at
Speaker 1: them and say, I have seen this card or I've
Speaker 1: seen this or this or this, and I know what
Speaker 1: they are. And when when I play that deck against you,
Speaker 1: you'll say, oh, I remember that card. Remember the card
Speaker 1: pulling teeth with the with the oly teeth.
Speaker 3: O the scariest magic art that there is.
Speaker 1: Yes, I knew that I needed that card and I'm
Speaker 1: just and I find it. Oh, I found it, right?
Speaker 3: Is it a clash card?
Speaker 1: It's clash card, of course it is. Yeah, And there's
Speaker 1: just like bog Art, jerk Off is like another one.
Speaker 1: He's like a four to one with Haste when he
Speaker 1: Etb's clash, and I'm like, man, when he Etb's clash,
Speaker 1: I have to farm ETB. So I'm playing like blue
Speaker 1: blink and shit that I can cast for free with Marvel,
Speaker 1: so I can farm clashes and like not go infinite,
Speaker 1: but try and really synergize and farm. If I win
Speaker 1: my clash, boun and blink or like blink them so
Speaker 1: I can ETB and clash again. If I win that,
Speaker 1: I can cast something for free and bounce them. And
Speaker 1: when he enters a bout, if he clashes. If I
Speaker 1: win that, then I can just play stuff for free
Speaker 1: over and over and over. And that's like my engine
Speaker 1: to rip through my deck neat. Right, So that's that's
Speaker 1: what I did. That's the one story. Okay, I did
Speaker 1: exactly what you're talking about. Sit down and just dig.
Speaker 1: And when I dug, I found a whole bunch of
Speaker 1: other stuff for me as as somebody like a i'll say,
Speaker 1: a Magic the Gathering professional. I buy and sell cards
Speaker 1: and I paint them, and that's my job. I found
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of other stuff that was profitable for
Speaker 1: me to paint and sell neat. So it benefited me
Speaker 1: in more than one way. The other story you're talking about,
Speaker 1: if you're a new player and you don't have the
Speaker 1: deep collection, but you do have the means to buy
Speaker 1: yourself a fat pack or a pre release pack, or
Speaker 1: maybe even a booster box every every setter, maybe every
Speaker 1: second set, every couple months. Right, you want to save
Speaker 1: some money, you go to Fusion Gaming Online dot com
Speaker 1: CCO summer. It's gonna get you a discount. You just
Speaker 1: saw the promo code if you're watching on YouTube, should be.
Speaker 1: We almost missed it for the very first few years
Speaker 1: of my magic playing career circle two thousand to two
Speaker 1: thousand and three or four ah, and then again in
Speaker 1: like two thousand and eight, nine ten, like Zendikar to
Speaker 1: og Inustrad. Okay, that's what I did. I bought booster
Speaker 1: boxes to bolster my collection and then built these jank
Speaker 1: kooky looney decks out of the Commons and Uncommons dujuur
Speaker 1: from that time period. And I said, I'm gonna build
Speaker 1: a wizard deck when Onslaught came out, because wizard was
Speaker 1: one of one of the creature types that that set
Speaker 1: cared about, and there was all of the morph wizards.
Speaker 1: Wizards was a prolific creature type in seventh and eighth
Speaker 1: edition with Apprentice Wizard.
Speaker 3: And uh In Daring Apprentice.
Speaker 1: Daring Apprentice, and and Odyssey block had a lot of wizards.
Speaker 1: Tap a Wizard, you control the counter a spell unless
Speaker 1: they pay one. If I got ten wizards, your spells
Speaker 1: getting countered. Morph wizards like Willbender and Void Void Mage
Speaker 1: turns face up counter your gagage Prodigy, Void Major Apprentice Apprentice, Yeah,
Speaker 1: turns face up counter your spell Riptide Laboratory. Bounce a
Speaker 1: Wizard so I can play it again. And I built
Speaker 1: all that on the back of just cracking booster packs
Speaker 1: and trading with my friends. Like everybody knows the story.
Speaker 1: I traded rare fetch lands out of my onslaught booster
Speaker 1: box for a Camal the Fister, my first booster box ever.
Speaker 1: N I traded them all my fetch lands away to
Speaker 1: get a Camal, and then I built my Sapriling deck
Speaker 1: out of it, because Saprilings were a big creature type
Speaker 1: in Invasion and in Odyssey Block, and I thought, oh,
Speaker 1: Camal is going to be the perfect finisher for my
Speaker 1: Sapreling deck, and and it was. And that's how I
Speaker 1: did it, not necessarily thinking outside the box, because I'm
Speaker 1: sure it looked like every other Sapperling box, but from
Speaker 1: a budget perspective, because I spread the cost of the
Speaker 1: deck over time, picking up products as they were released
Speaker 1: and then trading and putting some like some time equity
Speaker 1: in from my person I built like this really powerful
Speaker 1: deck that I had until like two thousand and nine. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: almost ten years. I had that deck sick, and then
Speaker 1: I turned it into a frickin Jetmere deck and stomped
Speaker 1: everybody for multiple command fests in a row, and I
Speaker 1: felt guilty, so I took.
Speaker 3: It apart jet What a piece of shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, creator Hoover the command zone, but you get more
Speaker 1: colors and he costs less. Look at the magic.
Speaker 3: At least it wasn't printed into a commander deck. That's key.
Speaker 1: Sure, that's important.
Speaker 3: Shit. I remember I was gonna say something and then
Speaker 3: I totally forgot. Damn it, that was really important.
Speaker 1: Well, I got our next way to think outside the box.
Speaker 2: No I got Oh god, god, I'm sorry. Okay, you
Speaker 2: were talking about blank and bounce. You're doing the clash,
Speaker 2: and here's how you're doing it. You're blinking your class,
Speaker 2: you're blinking your bouncing.
Speaker 3: You know the stuff.
Speaker 2: Everybody out there who's thinking, yeah, blank bounce, clash ETBs
Speaker 2: black and blue, and there's a.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna leave my opponent's black and blue.
Speaker 2: For everybody who's listening to this and you and me,
Speaker 2: maybe not Producer Garret, but everybody else.
Speaker 1: He's probably not listening anyways.
Speaker 2: There's a short list of cards that appeared in their
Speaker 2: head when I said that's what we want to do.
Speaker 3: That's the kind of.
Speaker 2: Thing like there's there's the faca that bounces something at
Speaker 2: the end of your turn.
Speaker 3: Yep, there's Crystal Shard. Yeah, there's Teleportation Circle that's white one.
Speaker 1: But you know what Ghostly Flicker.
Speaker 3: Ghostly Flicker, that's the one I play. There's there's so.
Speaker 2: Many of those cards that are just like, this is
Speaker 2: what you do if you want to do this.
Speaker 1: I think there's a clash bounce spell actually.
Speaker 2: But there's like there's like a set bunch of removal.
Speaker 2: We talked about that when I said how I built
Speaker 2: ex Right, if you're building white, you have swords, you
Speaker 2: have path, you have wrath just because uh generous gift.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: Do you think thinking outside the box includes limiting those
Speaker 2: as well?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Because like when you pick a color these days, and
Speaker 2: I hate to say this because I don't want to
Speaker 2: lump everybody into a box, especially here in the nation, because.
Speaker 3: We don't fit it in no boxes.
Speaker 2: Where boxes there's like you pick your colors and you
Speaker 2: almost automatically have let's call it, ten cards that are
Speaker 2: just in your deck already because you picked the colors.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Yeah, I feel so shitty, dude.
Speaker 2: That's why lots of my decks don't necessarily run the
Speaker 2: most removal or interaction because it's like, no, I'm nottained
Speaker 2: by your fucked blasphemous act.
Speaker 3: I don't need to kill it. I'll just kill you
Speaker 3: before you get dudes right.
Speaker 1: Yes, that is a that is a vibe. That's a
Speaker 1: certain mentality. As a deck builder, I think it's very
Speaker 1: appropriate to do exactly that when your removal, your interaction,
Speaker 1: you're whatever you're using, like the nuts and bolts of
Speaker 1: your deck. Man, if you can find ones that fit
Speaker 1: into your theme, like I've got a clash counterspell, I've
Speaker 1: got a clash kill spell, I've got a clash bounce spell.
Speaker 1: Those are my interaction that also thematically or mechanically, not
Speaker 1: thematically but mechanically tie to my commander's ability. So am
Speaker 1: I gonna run counterspell the card? No, because I've got
Speaker 1: blue blue one counter target spell clash. Yeah, that isn't
Speaker 1: as good as counterspell. No, But in my deck when
Speaker 1: I can drop like a frickin consecrated sphinx after I clash,
Speaker 1: maybe it's better. There you go, and it's mechanically more
Speaker 1: sound in the deck. Connects things together, right, and a connected,
Speaker 1: well oiled machine is better than just a machine. That
Speaker 1: like putting frickin' race gas in your lawnmower.
Speaker 2: And it's fun to kind of, I don't know, we
Speaker 2: have a show that we do it. It's more fun
Speaker 2: to talk.
Speaker 3: About a deck that's kind of cohesive, and especially with
Speaker 3: kind of garble like that mm hmm garble. It's a
Speaker 3: yarbo garbo.
Speaker 2: It's it's fun because well, why aren't you playing counterspells?
Speaker 2: Because this one clashes, right.
Speaker 3: And that's fun.
Speaker 1: That's right now talking on the show the show, and
Speaker 1: when when you say and you want me to hear something,
Speaker 1: this is my next way to think out of the box.
Speaker 1: And I actually love this one because we do it
Speaker 1: every week and we don't even mean to. We do
Speaker 1: it just because we're nerds. And we go to the
Speaker 1: Coachman Licensed beverage room. Right, talk to your friends about
Speaker 1: your deck. Don't don't talk about your deck, but talk
Speaker 1: about decks, talk about building. So when I say I've
Speaker 1: got again, we've kind of latched onto Marvel Deep Operative.
Speaker 1: He's a one eight for black blue three. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: he's octopus. When he attacks, you clash with an opponent. Sure,
Speaker 1: and if you win the class, you can cast an
Speaker 1: eight drop or less for free? There you go, okay, cool,
Speaker 1: what are my eight drops are less going to be?
Speaker 1: What would you want them to be? And like I
Speaker 1: want sea monsters, I want powerful spells. I want to
Speaker 1: put every clash thing in there. What kinds of things
Speaker 1: do I want to avoid? Like? What are the non bows?
Speaker 1: If I spend no man at a cast or or whatever? Right?
Speaker 1: And when I ask you like, what would you want
Speaker 1: to cast in blue and black for free? That costs
Speaker 1: eight or less?
Speaker 3: Manna, rex seal the Risen Deep.
Speaker 1: Rex Seal the Risen Deep.
Speaker 3: It's the first thing Leviathan.
Speaker 1: Also, I want to say costs ten Yeah, yeah, blue blue,
Speaker 1: blue blue.
Speaker 2: Six sacks, it comes tapped, sack two islands to untap
Speaker 2: it ye sack two more islands to attack with it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that used to be a rare Yeah, our
Speaker 1: friend Levi traded that card for two tropical islands?
Speaker 3: Is that the best trade ever made in magic? The Gathering?
Speaker 3: I think so?
Speaker 1: Probably?
Speaker 3: I think so.
Speaker 1: Probably it is so Yeah, rex sealed the Risen Deep
Speaker 1: is blue black. He's a Kraken. So if I'm building
Speaker 1: like a sea monster, demere sea monster.
Speaker 3: Deck, which is what I would do? And if I
Speaker 3: was building.
Speaker 1: He fits in and and I sort of built a
Speaker 1: sea monster thing, but it's it's only because sea monsters
Speaker 1: and demons are the two kind of highest echelon of
Speaker 1: creature type in those colors. So I want to build
Speaker 1: like this agro beatdown deck that isn't typical of your
Speaker 1: demere deck. Right, And if it was just me, maybe
Speaker 1: I would do some other thing like I would try
Speaker 1: and combo. Maybe I would lean. I would lean into
Speaker 1: playing all of the free spells because my commander does
Speaker 1: free spells. And then I'm casting force a Will and
Speaker 1: I'm casting fierce Guardian.
Speaker 3: Shit, right, what's my theme? All free stuff?
Speaker 1: Free stuff, all right? And that's not necessarily as fun
Speaker 1: to play with. And if I go to Force of
Speaker 1: Will on edh Reck, it's gonna give me a drastically
Speaker 1: different card set than if I go to Rexial the
Speaker 1: Risen Deep. Yes, but I got that idea from Uncle Brando.
Speaker 1: That's the kind of thing that he likes to place.
Speaker 1: So maybe if I play it, he won't be egregiously
Speaker 1: offended if I beat him with it, nice, He's not
Speaker 1: gonna Yeah, I don't think I play reck Seal. See,
Speaker 1: if maybe I do, he got swamp walk and island walk,
Speaker 1: right does Yeah, yeah, he's pretty big to be walking in,
Speaker 1: like to be swimming under the water and swamps.
Speaker 2: Don't you think swamps can be pretty deep? Can't they
Speaker 2: like bogs and stuff?
Speaker 1: Just your mom's ass.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've I don't know, like i've remember actually been
Speaker 2: to a real swamp though.
Speaker 3: That's my next place. Now that I've been to the beach,
Speaker 3: Now I want to go to the swamp.
Speaker 1: Let's go to a real swamp. We got like, we
Speaker 1: got like dugouts, we got sloughs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we have like Marshy areas, Marshall areas.
Speaker 2: Yes, I want to be in like a swamp with
Speaker 2: like bugs they're this big.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I don't want to go to a swamp
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 3: Gator gaters, big snakes.
Speaker 1: You know, we haven't swamps or sloughs where we live.
Speaker 1: Fraud and I find I will challenge you to find
Speaker 1: one that defies this rule. Okay, every swamp in Western Canada,
Speaker 1: slough has a fence running through it. Yeah, math checks out.
Speaker 1: I think if it doesn't have a fence, it's got
Speaker 1: power poles that are tipping over it. Yes, people from
Speaker 1: the prairies and like the western side of North America.
Speaker 1: Know exactly what we're talking about.
Speaker 3: They're looking on they're driving down the highway, listen to this.
Speaker 3: They look out, Oh yeah, there's one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Okay. I've got one more way to think
Speaker 1: outside the box that.
Speaker 2: You imagine sloshing through a slew or a dugout somewhere
Speaker 2: just to like pick up something that like your hat
Speaker 2: blew off your head and just get tangled and somebody's
Speaker 2: barbed wire fence it's been swampified.
Speaker 1: And you say, I should have left it blowing the wind.
Speaker 1: This is how I die.
Speaker 3: Man, It suck.
Speaker 2: Then you've got a leech on your butt and you've
Speaker 2: got a barbed wire in your leg.
Speaker 1: Ye, like on the movie stand by Me when he
Speaker 1: gets a leech right on his junk man, remember that?
Speaker 3: Yeah I do. Yeah, I want to see a dead body.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, coming of age movie for the for the boys.
Speaker 1: I guess. Hey, I got one more way to think,
Speaker 1: tell me outside of the box.
Speaker 3: That is, tell me.
Speaker 1: Sticking to your theme. And this kind of goes back
Speaker 1: to the removal or the things that like go in
Speaker 1: your deck, like my clash deck.
Speaker 2: And this can be deep or surface level removal, free spells,
Speaker 2: clashing or this is where you're running too stuff.
Speaker 3: There's chairs, everybody is ball.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I tend to think of clashing or free spells,
Speaker 1: or something that ties mechanically to my commander within the
Speaker 1: rules set of the game. I call that like a
Speaker 1: mechanical link.
Speaker 3: No more than four vowels in a card name.
Speaker 1: That's a theme. That is not anything that has to
Speaker 1: do with the rules set of magic. That's just a constraint.
Speaker 1: I play like everybody in the in the art is
Speaker 1: drinking a liquid is everybody has like a thong under
Speaker 1: their clothing. In my imagination, is a theme. It's just
Speaker 1: everybody except for that guy on on Wrath of God.
Speaker 1: Very definitely wearing a thong.
Speaker 2: Wait, but his is not out underneath his clothing. His
Speaker 2: is outside of his clothing. Thus you couldn't play Wrath.
Speaker 1: Of bet Oh well, no, those are sheer tights that
Speaker 1: he's wearing.
Speaker 3: Those didn't exist back then.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah they did. Okay, they were tight pants that
Speaker 1: were sore, so worn from going to war in them
Speaker 1: they were seen through.
Speaker 3: See there we go.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, definitely wearing a thong so threadbare you could
Speaker 1: just see right.
Speaker 2: Count one and it's right up as butting.
Speaker 1: Like the girl at the club that drops her drink.
Speaker 1: She got one string and that's all everybody looks at
Speaker 1: when she bends over, and it's like, oh, put that way. Yikes.
Speaker 1: Just me, just you, just me. Okay. Last time I
Speaker 1: went to the club, I freaking cut my lip on
Speaker 1: a glass that was broken. I got a free drink. Yeah,
Speaker 1: blood everywhere?
Speaker 3: Oh no, yeah.
Speaker 1: To be fair, it was for the Gray Cup in
Speaker 1: two thousand and seven and the Riders won. Good time.
Speaker 3: Man, last time I went to the bar, there was
Speaker 3: a fingernail floating in my drink.
Speaker 1: And it wasn't I'd rather have what happened.
Speaker 3: But to me, it wasn't a press on fingernail that
Speaker 3: came off.
Speaker 2: It was like a fingernail that clip clipped off and
Speaker 2: it went into the glass and then they put beer
Speaker 2: in the glass and the fingernail floated up onto the top.
Speaker 1: Oh, man, is that the grossest thing that's ever happened
Speaker 1: to you at a bar?
Speaker 2: That is one of the grossest things that has ever
Speaker 2: happened to me, Maybe in my life somebody else's pants.
Speaker 1: You did right, because you saw your first female genitalia
Speaker 1: a dairy queen.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Gross. One time we were at a beer night and
Speaker 1: you and I, yes, you and I were there and
Speaker 1: and Rebecca came and then I won't tell that story. Actually,
Speaker 1: the red flags were sounding in my brain like mega, stop.
Speaker 2: Stop, close your mouth, and I'm like, oh, where does
Speaker 2: this story go?
Speaker 3: I know where it goes?
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, not so good.
Speaker 3: But sometimes I make like I don't.
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, well, sticking to the theme. Sticking to the
Speaker 1: Sticking to the theme is the last way that I
Speaker 1: think that I like to be unique and be outside
Speaker 1: of the box. Because when I think of a theme,
Speaker 1: that's my own theme, right, like nobody And that's why
Speaker 1: That's why I say, like ladies looking left drinking out
Speaker 1: of a cup, guys probably wearing a thong under his pants.
Speaker 1: Those are things that I personally have thought of or
Speaker 1: considered or identified. You see the theme deck. I find
Speaker 1: more often since we've got the universes beyond, stuff like
Speaker 1: this is this is my doctor deck. It's only from
Speaker 1: like seasons one through five because that's like the part
Speaker 1: of the show that I liked, right or or if
Speaker 1: we ever got a Game of Thrones crossover, it's like
Speaker 1: this is my Game of Thrones deck, but doesn't include
Speaker 1: anything from season eight because it sucked, right, like that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: Right, Oh, this is my Lord of the Rings deck,
Speaker 2: but only characters that were in the movie exactly.
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, Colton McCarthy, he does. He
Speaker 1: does all of the editing and organization for CEO's curb
Speaker 1: Side Pickup EEDH games. You can watch him right here
Speaker 1: on YouTube. And he's got a Scouring of the Shire
Speaker 1: Lord of the Rings deck. He only plays characters and cards,
Speaker 1: and he only gets me to alter cards so they
Speaker 1: look like they're from the Scouring of the Shire, which
Speaker 1: didn't even happen in the movie.
Speaker 4: So the opposite way, he's there right right, and he's like, yeah,
Speaker 4: I really like that card, but I couldn't figure out
Speaker 4: a scene for you to paint on it, so I
Speaker 4: never played it the deck, right, And that's sticking to
Speaker 4: a theme and makes his deck different than every other
Speaker 4: frickin' farmer maggot combo deck that's out there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, a farmer maggot combo deck.
Speaker 1: It is, yeah, and it's dirty, stinking, rotten car farmer
Speaker 1: maggot combo deck. And he's like, it's different because I
Speaker 1: have this theme that I'm sticking to no matter what,
Speaker 1: and that's what makes it unique and what can help
Speaker 1: kind of curb or put a ceiling on the power level,
Speaker 1: which I think is a good thing, especially especially when
Speaker 1: you when you have a theme or an idea that
Speaker 1: is like, oh man, this is gonna be my forever
Speaker 1: good deck, right, but you want to put a cap
Speaker 1: on it.
Speaker 2: Oh my forever good deck is Nora in the Wary,
Speaker 2: and I think it's just been progressively getting worse.
Speaker 1: That's perfect. That's perfect because the theme is everything that
Speaker 1: doesn't look like a magic card and you're sticking to it.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, your your necro bloom deck. Your you want
Speaker 1: to play it because you your favorite mechanic is Dredged, right,
Speaker 1: and you want to play Dredge in DH because for
Speaker 1: fifteen years it was bad. Now it's got its own commander.
Speaker 1: But I can't play it in every casual game because
Speaker 1: I draw one fricking card that combos with my commander
Speaker 1: and I win the game. And that doesn't feel socially fun.
Speaker 2: It's very oops. And it happened with like we were
Speaker 2: talking about Buried Alive.
Speaker 1: You just search for three combo pieces in your graveyard
Speaker 1: won the game.
Speaker 3: Yeah, immediately I was like, oh are you are you
Speaker 3: tapped out? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Okay, win buried alive when you guys can.
Speaker 3: Play out the rest of the game and I'll I'll
Speaker 3: hit it out.
Speaker 1: What was it? I searched for two things that go
Speaker 1: into my graveyard, a walkiebe in something, and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: play this necrotic ooz that's in my hand and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna win. So maybe you cut the beard alive because
Speaker 1: that's the tutor and you can put yourself at risk
Speaker 1: of graveyard removal by dredging your whole strategy into your graveyard.
Speaker 1: And if you natively find your necrotic ooze and can
Speaker 1: reanimate it and the other two combo pieces are in there,
Speaker 1: I think that's fine because you're using your whole deck
Speaker 1: to try and do the thing.
Speaker 2: Like I don't feel bad that I reanimate a nine
Speaker 2: card combo out of my graveyard.
Speaker 3: No, absolutely, I mean, like that's pretty good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, yes, I can draw my combo faster than
Speaker 2: you can, but like it still takes a lot of
Speaker 2: time and you can see me doing it, and like.
Speaker 1: Remove my graveyard, you can kill my commander, right, So
Speaker 1: a really.
Speaker 3: Well placed piece of graveyard hate can get me like it's.
Speaker 1: And I love the idea of socially thinking outside the box.
Speaker 1: This isn't gonna be fun for my opponents if I
Speaker 1: do this on turn three every game, or if I
Speaker 1: move it up kind of the competitive ladder, It's not
Speaker 1: gonna be fun for me because it's not action a
Speaker 1: CEDH deck either. It's just a really fast combo, right,
Speaker 1: So what do I have to do to either make
Speaker 1: it more powerful so it is a CEDH deck, or
Speaker 1: or make it less powerful so I can play it
Speaker 1: socially with my friends casually. And that's that's that's what.
Speaker 3: I'm looking for currently.
Speaker 2: I'm doing that physically, like all the time I'm sitting,
Speaker 2: I'm looking.
Speaker 3: It's in my bag right over there. Maybe I'll get
Speaker 3: the guys to look over it. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Which leads back to talking about your death about your friends.
Speaker 2: Because maybe they've thought of something that I haven't. Do
Speaker 2: they know a card that I forgot, or maybe they
Speaker 2: know a card that I've never seen before, because those exist.
Speaker 1: And you talk to your friends, you take the buried
Speaker 1: alive out and it frees up a slot, and then
Speaker 1: maybe you go to edh Reck and say what else
Speaker 1: is here that would either facilitate what I'm doing, Or
Speaker 1: maybe there's a piece of removal that I actually should
Speaker 1: be running, because you're famous for not running a lot
Speaker 1: of removal. Maybe there's a removal spell that says Dredge
Speaker 1: on it that you've forgotten and you find that on
Speaker 1: dh rev.
Speaker 2: You know what I probably should play there that I'm
Speaker 2: thinking about it Ray of Revelation kills an enchantment out
Speaker 2: of the graveyard. So you get around like a maybe
Speaker 2: a rest in peace m Do.
Speaker 1: You have a dark Blast?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 1: Oh, because it says Dredge three on it says Dredge
Speaker 1: three on tart Creach because minus one minus one one
Speaker 1: black instant speed right good card.
Speaker 2: More importantly, Dredge three, Dredge three brandology fact three bigger
Speaker 2: than two or one or zero.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, card with Dredge better than card with not
Speaker 1: Dredge in that deck.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 2: What were you there and we were talking about like
Speaker 2: if the card said Dredge ten.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, this was my question to you from
Speaker 1: years ago.
Speaker 2: We were talking without the other day again like if
Speaker 2: it said Dredge ten on it, Like how could you
Speaker 2: would it ever see the light of day?
Speaker 3: Like would it be banned immediately?
Speaker 1: Dredge ten, you go to one life. That's the question
Speaker 1: I asked you, and you said a hundred percent. I'd
Speaker 1: play four of those in every single deck. Dredge ten,
Speaker 1: your life total becomes one yep. And you know what
Speaker 1: I'd win, instant combo with a near death experience. I'd win.
Speaker 3: Wouldn't that be actually, that would actually be really funny?
Speaker 1: Dude? What if I got you with that?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 1: I got one more funny story. Then we got to
Speaker 1: call it because we got to set up for sidewalk slams.
Speaker 1: So I'm playing against Brando Is yesterday Thursday, and he
Speaker 1: goes like.
Speaker 3: This, Oh oh dude, I was so excited. I was
Speaker 3: so excited.
Speaker 1: I watched the man draw top deck style from the
Speaker 1: top of his deck blind like turn nine, yeah, brash Taunter.
Speaker 1: And then he then he then he fights his own
Speaker 1: guy and tends one of our opponents kills him, and
Speaker 1: I go, man, okay, do I win the game? And
Speaker 1: it's almost time to go to the coachman.
Speaker 3: License beverage right now, like two more turns?
Speaker 1: Me? Do I combo now? Because I have two tutors
Speaker 1: in my hand, or do I sandbag and hope we
Speaker 1: don't run out of time and hope that Brando comes
Speaker 1: at me with the brash Taunter for like thirty because
Speaker 1: you had some big guys. Yeah I did, and you
Speaker 1: were gonna fight because I had a deflecting swat in
Speaker 1: my hand and I was going to deflecting swat. Then
Speaker 1: you would have fought your own brash Hunter. You would
Speaker 1: have died and it would have been so fantastic. I'm
Speaker 1: still waiting for the day. And you know what, I
Speaker 1: call it vengeance for not giving me a dark misprinted
Speaker 1: Griffin canyon.
Speaker 2: I still think that I won the exchange because brash
Speaker 2: Hunter still killed somebody in your example, where yes I
Speaker 2: have all the darknessprint visions Griffin canyons in my example.
Speaker 3: Yes, but yes, I think that would have been very funny.
Speaker 2: Actually I would. I would have got a kick out
Speaker 2: of that. But I also appreciate the not sandbagging the wind.
Speaker 3: So we can just go grab a.
Speaker 1: Beer, Yeah, very much so, and beer we did grab.
Speaker 1: If you want to grab beer, you go to Pile
Speaker 1: of Bones if you gotta be in Western Canada, because
Speaker 1: that's where they distribute. But if you want to grab
Speaker 1: some magic cards, where would you go?
Speaker 2: I would go to Fusion Gaming Online dot com. Check
Speaker 2: out the new website.
Speaker 3: Dealing again with the growing pains.
Speaker 2: But it's all gonna come up in a couple of days.
Speaker 2: Probably by now, everything will be running smooth.
Speaker 3: A baby's butt cheek.
Speaker 2: You can use CEO Summer save yourself five percent of
Speaker 2: all the stuff that you were going to buy anyway,
Speaker 2: and let business Daddy know that business Baby's doing a
Speaker 2: good job, which I think we are.
Speaker 1: I think so we are gonna go do our best
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Speaker 1: Season two finale, where we are going to have a
Speaker 1: couple guests on. We're gonna slam. It's gonna be a
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Speaker 2: the next episode of Commander Cookout. We got some decks
Speaker 2: coming in. We could take a look at that. We
Speaker 2: could talk more Marvel stuff, or we could talk more
Speaker 2: current events in magic and we're not gonna.
Speaker 1: Know mind skinner, Oh, mind skinner and prove that beat.
Speaker 3: We could do that too.
Speaker 2: We could actually that might be actually kind of fun,
Speaker 2: that might be leading into what we're gonna do. That's
Speaker 2: probably what we're gonna do. We do have a mind
Speaker 2: Skinner deck, so tune into that next week on a
Speaker 2: very exciting episode of Commander Cookout.
Speaker 3: Podcast, good Arth