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Speaker 1: The infinite complaces people went to and pro fears about

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their little affairs, serene in the assurance of their dominion

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over this small binning fragment of solar driftwood, which, by

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chance or design, Man has inherited out of the dark

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mystery of time and face.

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Speaker 2: On this episode of Into the Fray, I welcome Brandon

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right on with me, and he is of the Tinfoil

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Tales podcast, and you have heard Brandon on before. He

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was on episode four fifty one I titled that so

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creatively Indiana dog Man, where he shared his two thousand

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and seven road sighting that was of a dog man

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type dogman like creature. Let's just say that Brandon, right,

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because there are so many other things going on with

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that that make it so very odd. But Brandon, welcome

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back to the show.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for having me so this time.

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Speaker 2: And we're probably not going to rehash that road siding

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because of the fact that you've already done that on

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the show. But what we are going to cover is

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the Missa Sinewa Triangle. And this is in your home

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state of Indiana, and everybody loves triangles because a lot

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of weird shisa goes down in said triangles, and this

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one is no exception, and this is an upcoming documentary

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produced by yourself. And I have to say I've seen

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the whole thing already. I loved it, I enjoyed it.

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There was as everyone can tell, here is my page

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full of notes. So yeah, there are no shortage of

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topics to cover as far as the documentary goes. But

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it's very cool, of course, to not only talk about

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an upcoming documentary, and we will talk about possibilities of

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where to see this. You may not know that yet,

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but just for the verbiage of what we're talking about now,

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and also actually be able to see these places, because

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I know people like to hear about them, but it's

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always nice to actually be taken on a little journey

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and go to the places that these events have occurred. Now,

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let's start off with the most basic question, Brandon, and

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that is now, this is in the state of Indiana,

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So what are the points that make up the triangle.

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Speaker 3: It was kind of just one of those things where

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I talked to someone and they had an encounter, so

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I kind of like put it on a map, and

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then I put my own encounter, and then someone else

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had an encounter so to be one hundred percent honest,

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it's probably not exactly the same size of a triangle

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that it is, because the more I've looked into it,

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the further out it's been getting. But the first few

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people that I had spoken with like it kind of

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made sense because it almost went like a straight line,

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like from my encounter to someone else, and then I

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get followed the path down to some of these locations

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and everything. So I drew a line that way. I

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talked to someone from a different town and it went

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up to this one. So I was like, well, if

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you go from here to hear to hear, pretty much

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makes triangle. But I know it's a trendy term in

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the paranormal field for people to use that term because

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it's just like I said, it's one of those things

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to try and get people to actually pay attention to

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some of the weird things that go on around here.

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So isn't necessarily a complete triangle. I'm sure there's probably

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more people that don't want to argue that it's not

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just a triangle. But it works.

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Speaker 2: No, it does work. And one of the places that

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you bring up is the city of Peru, and this

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is a place that has burial grounds from the Miami Indians. Right,

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so anytime we're talking about sites like that, you might

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have weird things going on. But also something that's just

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innately probably a little bit creepy to some people is

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a circus. Talk about circus, you talk about clowns and things.

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Peru is the circus capital of the world, which I

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was not expecting when I watched the dock. I'm like, huh,

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that is that's a different kind of a moniker to have.

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But this this location had a flood in nineteen eleven

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that really caused issues there, right.

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original Miami Trading Village used to be before the circus,

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and that whole area was eventually wiped out by the

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army in eighteen twelve. But that was like one of

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their meeting grounds for the other tribes, so that there

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was the Delaware Indians, there was the Potawatamy. They all

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kind of got together in the central location where the

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Mississiniwa River and the Walbash River meet. And for some reason,

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that is what Benjamin Wallace, who was the guy that

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brought the circuses around here, he bought all that land,

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and that's where he started to store all the circus

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stuff for this thing. Because Marum and Bailey and some

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of the other like bigger name Ringley, they all used

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much of the equipment, killed a lot of the animals.

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there maybe had drowned. I don't remember the exact number.

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did a lot of damage there. But I thought it

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was strange that they chose that spot where the Miami

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had chose to be, like their main hub is a

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place to build the Circus Hall of Fame, and then

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that's where I guess at all these animals and all

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this other stuff happening. So there's been a lot of

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tragic stuff that happened in that location.

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area and that there are reports of, is the reports

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of large canines, and in particular where they are actually

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chasing vehicles and keeping up with said vehicles. So I

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was wondering, with any of the reports that you found

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in researching for your doc, how far or in relation

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to your own experience were some of these or any

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Speaker 3: Just a few miles. Pretty much everything that happens within't

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because about two miles north of Peru or Mine happened.

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is right on the outskirts of town, and then just

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south of Peru, like a couple of miles is where

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a lot of these other sidings have happened. So everything

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within like a ten mile radius has had multiple big foot,

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dog man all sorts of weird sighting.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's important to mention that there are a

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couple of different rivers that also flow in that area,

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so you also have that whole water in the paranormal

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aspect of things as well. And of course Cryptid's following rivers.

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world and still need to follow rivers, I guess that's

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where they would go.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's the Ill River, there's the Walbash River, and

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the Mississiniwa River, and then a lot of little tributaries

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that kind of flow through here too, but those are

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the main three rivers right in the central area.

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I just feel like I want to document everything in

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this area. Or was it, in fact you just saw

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how close everything was in succession and decided that was

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the catalyst for doing this.

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doing this and finding out other people have had all

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these experiences, when I started to just kind of look

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around and seeing how many people had the same sort

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of encounters, I was just like I could do an

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episode on it. And then I was like, well, who's

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really going to listen to the podcast? I was like,

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maybe a video documenting this stuff would actually draw more

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attention to it. So I just kind of I have

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no idea what I'm doing. Like I was like, I

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want to attempt to make a documentary. I've never made

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anything like this before, but that's just kind of I

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went about it. I didn't know about doing a podcast

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either and I just jumped right into it.

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Speaker 2: So well, you did a great job. Your first crack

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at a doc you did, you did very well. It

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holds your attention and it's so cool. Like I said,

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it's so different to versus just hearing someone talk on

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a podcast. As you say, you could have just done

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an episode or two or a series, but to actually

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take folks there and you get to see the locations,

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it helps, It really does. It adds context to things,

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all right. This is another tragic area. It's called the

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Okey Pinocchi area, and there's there's been murders there. There

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was a mushroom hunter right that. Something occurred and a

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body was found.

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Speaker 3: Back in I think it was twenty eighteen, a guy

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was murdered for about fifty six dollars. I think it

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was what he had on him. I'm sure there was

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more to it than that, but that was he was

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taken out there and they basically beat him to death

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and left him out there in a mushroom home founding.

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there and leave tributes to her. I went out there

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around Christmas time and someone left her a present. I've

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never found any evidence of my little girl named Stephanie

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being murdered out there. That's just one of the local legends.

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which this did. Used to be part of the burial

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grounds for the Miami Just right down the street is

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the actual official burial grounds now, but that whole area

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used to be their burial ground and now it's blocked

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off and you're not even supposed to be back there,

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which for filming purposes, I was not back there.

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along the river. Like I said, it's all within a

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less than a mile of each other. But Seven Pillars

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Speaker 3: That's called Francis Locom State Park or not Sight Park,

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the state Wildlife Area I think it is, but they

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barricaded it off after the murder, so you're only allowed

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back in the eighties and stuff. There's a lot of

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fact official animal stuff going on out there. A lot

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lot of that whole area is just weird. Anyone that's

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everyone out there has had some sort of experience. But

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anything weird happened to me, which is strange because it's

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like the people that go out looking for it don't

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usually find it, but then the ones that aren't interested

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in it have weird things happened to them.

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Will Smith everyone. Uh. He found animals that had been

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and I did find the trees there's still somewhat bent over,

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but they obviously had its almost primatish because where the

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big toe would be, it's almost like they had an

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opposable thumb for a big toe. Make a whole lot

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you would go, hey, let's go down here and take

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our shoes off and run around. That would I mean,

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not impossible, right, but a little bit strange. And you know,

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just outside of that. And I appreciate that you did

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try to look for records of Stephanie and you admit

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I did not find any. Whatever. You know, people want

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to take away from that, they can, but even the

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locals just constantly talk it sounds like that it's just

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known that that is a very very haunted area period.

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Speaker 3: I have multiple people that have reached out to me

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that did not want to be on the documentary. They

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don't want to be interviewed or anything about it, but

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they've told me the experiences they've had out there. A

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lot of people report seeing a lady in white and

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little girl with the lady in white, which sounds kind

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of cliche because you always hears stories about people in white.

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But the one guy who told me this, he actually

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worked for the Highway Department. He was plowing snow, which

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I relate to that is what I used to do,

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and he was going down the main road, which would

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be one twenty four and then he saw a little

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girl out there by herself, but she thought was strange.

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girl out there. And then when he came back by,

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if there's been several, like I said, several people, but

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if I remember right, he said he saw her now

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with an adult lady and they looked like they were

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dressed in like just white, old timey clothing. But they

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were walking down that path down like towards Oki Pinoki,

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which that's just a gravel road that goes back like

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two miles and it just turns into that circle and

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then it's a dead end. Why would anyone be walking

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that in the middle of the night in a dress

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during the snow. And then someone else told me that

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they saw something similar, not on the actual gravel part,

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but if you go up here, it has like a

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ninety degree turn and then there's the old Francis Slocum

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horse trails. When he went around that curve, he saw

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someone walking in the street dressed in old timey clothing. Now,

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could there have been someone doing some sort of reenactment

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out of the old horse camp stuff. Possibly, but that's

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weird to be doing that in the middle of the night.

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So a lot of this stuff happens with like random hours.

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And then this didn't actually make the documentary, but someone

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had reported seeing a flying humanoid out in that area.

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I wanted to interview him. I might do it for

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an episode sometime. But he said he saw a gargoyle.

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It was eating roadkill along the side of the road

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on that like ride before you got out towards Oky Pinocchi.

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When the lights hit it, it looked up from the roadkill

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and then opened up its wings and shot up in

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the air. Now, this is funny because people have talked

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about seeing flying humanoids out there as well, and they

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do the same thing. They open up. One lady said

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she saw a guy walking with a trench coat in

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the middle of the road and ended up not being

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a trench coat. He opens it up and it was

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wings and he just levitates up and then flies over.

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Someone else saw someone flying, levitating up off the ground

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and flew over the trees. But they never use the wings.

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They have wings, but they never flap. Even the guy

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that saw the gargoyle said the same thing. The wings

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just open and they just shoot in the air. But

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what's the point of having wings if you can just levitate.

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Speaker 2: That's an interesting detail. Have you ever heard of anything

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like that before? I don't think I have.

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Speaker 3: Mouth man. I mean, I don't know if anyone's ever

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mentioned flap of wings.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, that's true. But to specifically mention that they

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saw wings but then they just look like they weren't functioning,

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that is so strange.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So that's just part of it again, the whole

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the little stuff that we talked about, like the little footprints.

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The Miami had their own stories of little people. And

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there's a map that one of the local guys that

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I'd interviewed, he's done a lot of research around here too,

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and he claims that there's been lots of stories of

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little people, like little Native American looking people, but there's

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also been stories of puck wedgies. But if you follow

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the river, not too far from here is a I

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think it's called Mound State Park down in Anderson, and

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there's all sorts of sightings of puck wedgy activity down

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there and little people sightings and obviously mounds because it

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used to be the burial mounds of the Delaware Indians.

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Speaker 2: I think I would like to see that one of

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the little people reports. Sometimes they have closed, sometimes they don't.

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I think that I would like to see something like that,

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unless they're just you and the middle of nowhere and

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it's a whole group of them. Especially maybe not, but

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I don't know, that's something I think I would like

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to see that list.

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Speaker 3: Someone had told me that they were walking with their

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mother and she saw a Native American man come up

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from behind them, and then she said something to him.

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So the son turned around and he didn't see anything,

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and he asked his mom who she's talking to, and

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she's like looked at him, and she looked back, and

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the Native American man was gone. So I don't know

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if that's a spirit or again, because this whole area

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is all they have American lands from two hundred years ago.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you're right. I mean, who knows what it

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could be, especially Okay, in this case, John Fike of Myths,

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Monsters and Mullets podcast, he got very emotional recounting what

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he experienced. I believe it was he and his wife right,

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and essentially, I just it sounds like a pale crawler situation.

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And he actually has pictures of when he drove by

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this thing and it actually reached out for the vehicle,

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and you could just tell that man saw what he

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says he saw. Now, who knows what it is. I'm

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sure he doesn't even want to. You can speculate, but

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he admits, like, who knows what the hell that was.

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But you could tell that that really bothered him.

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Speaker 3: And that was recent when we filmed that. We filmed

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it in January of twenty five, and he just saw

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I think at the beginning of December of twenty four,

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so it'd been less than a month, all over a month,

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so that was really recent for him. So you can

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still see how much it affected him at the time.

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Like the location where he told me, it's not necessarily

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in the same like area here, but he's further away

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but along the missus Sinowa River. He was like less

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than a half a mile from the river, but he

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was more towards Munsey. But if you follow that river,

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it goes all the way down to Munsey. And again,

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like I said, I think it's not so much just

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this central area is literally the rivers themselves, like there's

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something along the rivers that do this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he said it had the upper half of a man.

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It was essentially moving on its knuckles, which is a

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very creepy detail. Sounds like he couldn't even tell if

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it had any legs or anything, almost like it was

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dragging itself. That's the way I took that gray skin,

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no mouth or nose, and just these dark eye sockets,

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no no actual eyes that he could seem.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's his version of what he described. Sounds very

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crawlerish to me, and literally it was crawling, but he

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didn't see legs or anything. It almost looks like it

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was missing the lower half of its Torso.

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Speaker 2: That's way worse. That is way way worse, right, Brandon, Oh,

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thank you.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: Also, you had an interview with someone that was fishing

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with his dog down by the river, and then you

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actually show his dog prints next to these other prints

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that he found, and the size difference is a pretty studying.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that happened, ironically a month before someone reported seeing

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a bigfoot in the same spot. So I am part

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of like I get on the bigfoot mapping project and

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I find like these things where that was here. This

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happened I think it was in the end of July

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of twenty twenty and one or twenty twenty two, and

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then on the Bigfoot Mapping project. Someone said they saw

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a seven or eight foot tall bigfoot walk across the

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road and it just happened to be right in the

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same location. So I'm wondering if they saw a bigfoot

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or if they actually saw whatever bike canine this was,

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because again, the average person's not going to think of

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a seven foot eight foot tall dog man walking across

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the road. They're going to think of a big foot

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whilest they're familiar with this type of stuff.

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Speaker 2: That is very true. That's very true, especially if you

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don't really get the enough light or a profile of

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it to see. Oh, there's backwards legs and all of

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these you know, the long snout and all of these

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things that can stick out about a dog man. So

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that's a really good point.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the dog print of his dog looks tiny compared

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to the one that he found and the couple that

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he found, because his dog is a seventy pound husky,

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so that's already got a big foot. And then you

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see the size of the foot next like the track

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next to it. That's a even if it was just

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a dog, that's a huge dog massive.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it definitely was. That's what's so cool. About

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this dog is there's actually you show as much evidence

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as the witness is allowing you to show. You show

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all of that, including John's are with the handswipe down

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with the and what I forgot to mention about John's

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the pale We'll just call it a pale crawler, just

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so everybody realizes what we're referencing is the fingers were

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so wide apart. This wasn't just like somebody's normal hand

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going down a car. They if you were going to

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try to recreate that, right, it was a little bit

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further than that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there was like this a seven inch gap between

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fingers wretched out which I have huge hands and I

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can't stretch that far out right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that one's a big bag of Nope, No, I

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thank you. Bigfoot tracks. You interview a father and a son,

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they've they've got their own bigfoot tracks out there. And also,

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of course lots of aerial phenomena in the area. You've

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got actual crafts and orbs, and you actually have seen

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orbs in the.

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Speaker 3: Sky even out back behind our house. And I have

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video of the ones in the front of the house,

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which is funny because I can watch them on my phone.

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But the moment I try and send them to someone

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or upload them to the computer, you can't see them,

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and I don't understand why. But like, you can literally

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see it on my iPhone, and I've showed people they've

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watched and I will text that video to them, and

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they don't appear in that video because I was going

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to include those in the documentary because we thought it

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was starlink, but they weren't moving like Starlink would have

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been moving, because we've seen starlink before. And this was

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when we first moved out here, and I got all

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excited thinking there was UFOs and I realized it was starlink,

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but this wasn't what starlink was. And then back in

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two thousand and twenty three, there was an orange orb

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floating out in the field behind our house and I

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yelled for my wife and son to come look at it.

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So we were all standing there. And for some reason,

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and I've been critical of people for never filming anything,

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and I think that's probably why I and more prone

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to do it these days, I never thought about recording it.

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And we watched it and just set in the same

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spot and hovered for a few minutes, and then it

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lifted up in the air and then kind of moved

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off to the right hand side and then just disappeared.

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I thought it could have been a flare, but flares

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would go down, not move up. That was the only

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thing that I thought was strange about it, because it

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did look like an orange a flare, and a lot

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of people see these orange orbs around here. They claim

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their flares, but I don't think everything is a flare. Obviously,

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we are close to a military base, but it's not

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an active base anymore, like it's decommissioned and it's just

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like a refueling station. They don't have training going on,

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but sometimes they claim the up in Fort Wayne, they

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have fighter pilots come out there and do training. I

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don't know if that's can explain everything that people are seeing,

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but I do know these orange orbs themselves. I've seen

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them move in patterns that wouldn't be a flare.

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Speaker 2: So the one in your backyard, how far away would

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you say it's hard to gas? But just to gus

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is it like airline cruising speed or closer or further.

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Speaker 3: The way this looked, I thought it would have been

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higher up in the air, But depending on how close

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it actually was. I couldn't tell you like it was

480
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:22,759
just it looked like a fireball, like that's the best

481
00:27:22,759 --> 00:27:24,839
way I could squab, like a ball of fire in

482
00:27:24,839 --> 00:27:26,599
the sky. And then it just kind of moved and

483
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:27,319
then disappeared.

484
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,079
Speaker 2: Have you ever tried to go out and put the

485
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,160
intention out there that you want to see something you know, essentially,

486
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,400
for lack of a better term, ce five it.

487
00:27:39,279 --> 00:27:43,599
Speaker 3: Not really. I've said things, and I've tried to make

488
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:47,119
things happen, but nothing's happened. And I'm leary about doing

489
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,599
that here just because we've, as we've talked before on

490
00:27:49,599 --> 00:27:51,200
that previous that we have a lot of weird stuff

491
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:52,680
that goes on in my own house, so I try

492
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,200
not to do things too close from home.

493
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 2: I understand that. I do understand that because even the

494
00:27:57,559 --> 00:28:00,400
last time we talked there was some there's some weird

495
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:04,400
stuff that happened in your recording studio, I recall, So

496
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:06,519
don't need to be with the bear.

497
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I even have a new studio now, there's still

498
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,799
some random things that happen here. I was editing audio

499
00:28:11,839 --> 00:28:15,559
the other day and it reminded me because when I

500
00:28:15,599 --> 00:28:18,640
was recording an interview with someone, my door opened up

501
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:20,119
by itself. I was like, well, I must not have

502
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:21,680
shut it all the way, but it's still just creepy.

503
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,119
When you're sitting out here in the middle of the night,

504
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:24,319
in the dark, and then all of a sudden the

505
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:25,799
door just opens up by itself.

506
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:31,319
Speaker 2: I would imagine, yes, uh huh. Do you hear knocks

507
00:28:31,319 --> 00:28:33,880
and thumps and bumps and things like that, any shadows

508
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:35,000
out of the corner of your eye?

509
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 3: Uh? I hear random noises, and I just chalk it

510
00:28:39,559 --> 00:28:44,160
up to probably something outside. I just I don't want

511
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,079
to accept that there's probably something creepy creeping around. I

512
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,000
just say it's some or a critter.

513
00:28:49,599 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 2: Once you look into the abyss, right, Randon, you're like,

514
00:28:53,039 --> 00:28:56,960
I've had enough. And that's just to say. I hope

515
00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,240
everyone goes back and listens to four fifty one if

516
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:04,279
you haven't heard Brandon's telling of that. And we were

517
00:29:04,359 --> 00:29:07,119
lucky enough to have Brandon come out while we were

518
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,920
in Indiana filming for on the tril UFOs. We were

519
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:13,400
also filming for some dog Man stuff, so he retold

520
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,279
it then too, so and thanks again for doing that, Brandon,

521
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:21,279
No problem, Okay. I also wanted to bring up the

522
00:29:22,079 --> 00:29:27,359
Battlegrounds area because and this might tie into and you

523
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,319
say you didn't touch on it a whole lot, and

524
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,960
you didn't, but it was worth mentioning, so you did.

525
00:29:32,759 --> 00:29:35,880
Is kind of this dark ritual side of things and

526
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:40,319
the fact that on the battlegrounds there are black robe

527
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:44,640
figures and they don't seem to be residual in nature

528
00:29:44,799 --> 00:29:47,960
because they reacted to one of the people that you

529
00:29:48,079 --> 00:29:51,480
talked to their headlights when the headlights fell upon these

530
00:29:51,519 --> 00:29:54,440
black figures, these figures reacted.

531
00:29:55,440 --> 00:30:01,039
Speaker 3: Yeah. Uh, this is one of those stories that other

532
00:30:01,119 --> 00:30:05,079
people have also told the same thing. So it's like,

533
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,359
are people seeing the same situation, Like is it the

534
00:30:08,359 --> 00:30:11,119
same entities or these real people or are these really

535
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,119
actual rituals going on. Someone said that they were out

536
00:30:14,119 --> 00:30:17,839
there before and they were chased out on foot by

537
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:23,359
these robed figures. That makes me think it's actual humans

538
00:30:23,759 --> 00:30:28,200
out there doing some sort of shady, creepy whatever they're

539
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,279
trying to do. Other people have said that they've seen

540
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:36,799
like the remnants of sacrificial ceremonies, Like they've seen like

541
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,839
blood on the ground. They've seen like the random circles

542
00:30:39,839 --> 00:30:43,240
and like pentagrams drawn out there. I don't know why

543
00:30:43,279 --> 00:30:45,200
they chose that area other than the fact that there

544
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,680
was this is where some of the villages were, and

545
00:30:47,839 --> 00:30:50,400
everyone was burned alive and burned, you know, thrown in

546
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,200
the rivers. That's the thing. Like when the army came through,

547
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,720
they set the villages on fire and they tossed a

548
00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:00,799
lot of the bodies over in the river. So that's

549
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,200
just bad juju in my opinion, because you already have

550
00:31:04,759 --> 00:31:06,920
all the death, you're throwing it in the water. We

551
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,839
know that water can be a conduit for energy. Like

552
00:31:10,519 --> 00:31:14,839
there's just so much activity in these specific areas, so

553
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,240
who knows what's really going on. But a lot of

554
00:31:18,279 --> 00:31:23,480
people have also reported seeing again people doing rituals out there.

555
00:31:24,279 --> 00:31:27,480
They've seen the fires, they've all the remnants, they've seen

556
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,079
the robes. So people are going out there and they're

557
00:31:30,119 --> 00:31:35,559
conjuring up stuff too, or attempting to. You don't know

558
00:31:35,599 --> 00:31:38,000
what you're opening up when you start doing stuff like that.

559
00:31:39,799 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 2: I think it'd be way worse to run into the

560
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:48,160
actual living, breathing people doing that, Dark Schisa versus the

561
00:31:48,359 --> 00:31:52,960
spirits of past people doing said Shaisa. I think that's

562
00:31:53,039 --> 00:31:56,920
way worse, way more dangerous. Living people are way scarier

563
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:01,160
than most of the things that were to talking about today,

564
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,839
not all of them, like the pale crawler that's on

565
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:07,200
the No list, but yeah, that can get very dangerous

566
00:32:07,279 --> 00:32:07,799
very quickly.

567
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:10,759
Speaker 3: I've told that the people too, and they said, you

568
00:32:10,759 --> 00:32:12,640
have no problem running out in the woods and going

569
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:14,960
after monsters, as like, the real monsters are the humans

570
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,599
you're going to encounters. I was like, I'm more afraid

571
00:32:17,599 --> 00:32:20,000
of running into some crazy person out in the woods

572
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,519
than I am a big foot coming of ripping me apart. Yeah,

573
00:32:22,839 --> 00:32:27,000
like the likelihood is someone out there doing some weird,

574
00:32:27,039 --> 00:32:28,799
shady stuff out in the woods and don't want anyone

575
00:32:28,839 --> 00:32:29,359
to find them.

576
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's and that happens over and over, and that's

577
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:39,000
why true crime podcasts are so very popular because we're

578
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,839
we're the scariest thing out there period for the most part.

579
00:32:44,279 --> 00:32:48,720
All Right, last but not least, you guys were out

580
00:32:48,799 --> 00:32:52,839
kind of on this night investigation and you know, kind

581
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,839
of trying to close things up, and then you did

582
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:59,079
bring up the fact that and this is something that's

583
00:32:59,119 --> 00:33:03,279
come up in other docks and another podcast, and people

584
00:33:03,519 --> 00:33:06,240
have heard this sound in the woods, and that is

585
00:33:06,319 --> 00:33:10,079
a metallic sound that just sounds like there's no way

586
00:33:10,119 --> 00:33:13,680
that should be happening. Why is a metallic sound being heard.

587
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 3: I was out filming on that bridge and I was

588
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,839
trying to get like beureal footage to start putting things together.

589
00:33:22,599 --> 00:33:25,440
As I was walking back, it sounded like someone had

590
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,039
took like a stick or something and kind of drug

591
00:33:28,039 --> 00:33:30,559
it across the guardrail, like you can tell the sound

592
00:33:30,599 --> 00:33:34,839
of metal being scratched, So I actually went around. I looked,

593
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,359
there was no breed that could have brushed against. There

594
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:39,880
was nothing around, So I don't know what have made

595
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,079
that metal. And there's no houses or anyone else out

596
00:33:42,079 --> 00:33:45,960
in this areas in the middle of BFB, and I

597
00:33:46,039 --> 00:33:49,160
can't recreate that noise. But when I used the guardrail,

598
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,559
it was literally the guardrail making that noise. But I

599
00:33:51,599 --> 00:33:57,839
can't explain how the guardrail is being scratched across. That's

600
00:33:57,839 --> 00:34:01,240
why I wanted to go back out there, because it

601
00:34:01,279 --> 00:34:07,319
felt like there was something wanting my attention. So two

602
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:12,079
days later we went back out and then more crazy

603
00:34:12,079 --> 00:34:12,760
stuff happened.

604
00:34:14,199 --> 00:34:17,679
Speaker 2: So when you're out there getting the be roll and

605
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,039
you hear this sound and then you figure out where

606
00:34:20,039 --> 00:34:23,119
the sound came from. How what's the distance there. How

607
00:34:23,159 --> 00:34:25,559
far is that guard rail from where you were standing

608
00:34:25,639 --> 00:34:26,840
when you were getting that be roll?

609
00:34:28,559 --> 00:34:31,320
Speaker 3: A few feet? I was just walking across the bridge

610
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,199
when I heard the noise. It was right behind me.

611
00:34:33,559 --> 00:34:37,079
Speaker 2: Okay, so what else I was?

612
00:34:37,119 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 3: It was during the day and I was out there

613
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:43,639
by myself, and this is actually kind of funny. I

614
00:34:43,679 --> 00:34:48,400
was being watched further down the road by DNR. He

615
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:49,840
started to creep up on me, so I was actually

616
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:51,800
going to ask if you wanted to be in the documentary,

617
00:34:52,199 --> 00:34:53,880
but he just drove past me and like waved and

618
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,440
then kept driving so they didn't stop. And then a

619
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,440
few minutes later when I was out in that area,

620
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,039
and then that's when I heard the noise. So he

621
00:35:00,159 --> 00:35:02,599
the only person that I had seen the entire couple

622
00:35:02,599 --> 00:35:03,719
of hours that I was out there.

623
00:35:05,119 --> 00:35:07,519
Speaker 2: How long have you been watching you before he drove

624
00:35:07,519 --> 00:35:07,880
by and.

625
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:13,039
Speaker 3: Waved, Probably a couple of minutes because I didn't even

626
00:35:13,119 --> 00:35:16,519
notice him until I just seen a black vehicle has

627
00:35:16,599 --> 00:35:22,119
parked further down the road just sitting there. I don't

628
00:35:22,159 --> 00:35:23,480
know if he was just trying to see what I

629
00:35:23,519 --> 00:35:25,239
was out there doing or what, but.

630
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,159
Speaker 2: I mean, we would it have been obvious what you

631
00:35:29,159 --> 00:35:31,199
were doing. I mean, were you holding you know, a

632
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:32,960
couple of cameras up and this and that.

633
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 3: I have my camera in my hand and I was

634
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,360
recording stuff or whatever. So it's not like I was

635
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,239
doing anything illegal, right, But.

636
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 2: So what is some of the other crazy stuff that

637
00:35:44,039 --> 00:35:46,039
went on? If you wanted to share that.

638
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:51,280
Speaker 3: Well, I think you can vaguely hear what the other

639
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,800
guy was out there talking about when we were like

640
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:59,039
recording it night. He'd mentioned that on that bridge years back,

641
00:35:59,119 --> 00:36:04,400
they were driving across and conveniently, like people dressed in costumes,

642
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,719
black robed costumes jumped out in front of and want

643
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,559
how to creepy clowd mask on and something else like,

644
00:36:09,599 --> 00:36:13,000
and they tried to stop them. They just drove like

645
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,599
nothing happened with that. But like people are just go

646
00:36:15,679 --> 00:36:18,679
out there and screw around with people. So this whole

647
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:23,559
area is called hobbit Land. The reason it's called hobbit

648
00:36:23,639 --> 00:36:26,800
Land is because again the small people sightings like the

649
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:32,079
little humanoids that people see out there now. People for years,

650
00:36:32,119 --> 00:36:34,320
but like even the seventies, it was referred to as

651
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,920
hobbit Land. A lot of people used to go out

652
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:42,440
there and do things that they couldn't do legally out

653
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:44,559
of this middle of nowhere. So that was like the

654
00:36:44,639 --> 00:36:46,480
roads that people would drive on the back roads that

655
00:36:46,519 --> 00:36:49,000
have their little fun or whatever they were doing. And

656
00:36:49,039 --> 00:36:51,199
it's not too far off. The Battlegrounds is right along

657
00:36:51,199 --> 00:36:55,280
the river, and then there's just so many people have

658
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,960
reported seeing little people out there. So that's why we

659
00:36:59,039 --> 00:37:00,760
went out to that spot, because I'm like, well, if

660
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,719
this is puck Wedgies as your little people, what was

661
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:04,679
making that noise?

662
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 4: Like?

663
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 3: I wanted to go out there. And that's, like I said,

664
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:13,440
he had mentioned tell us about these masked people jumping

665
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:18,239
out and trying to scare them, which, again, for anyone listening,

666
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:22,840
don't do that. You might get ran over, you might

667
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:24,559
get shot. You don't know what's going to happen, Like

668
00:37:24,599 --> 00:37:27,599
when people jump out dressed his Bigfoot years back and

669
00:37:27,639 --> 00:37:29,599
the guy got killed because he ran out in front

670
00:37:29,599 --> 00:37:34,679
of a car. Yeah, I don't. I guess my brain

671
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:36,719
doesn't process. So why they think that's a good idea,

672
00:37:37,559 --> 00:37:38,159
I don't either.

673
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:42,159
Speaker 2: I'm not sure either, But yeah, don't do that. You

674
00:37:42,159 --> 00:37:45,800
don't know how people are going to react. So if

675
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,639
you were from everything that we've talked about so far,

676
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,920
if you would say, I need to put my money

677
00:37:54,079 --> 00:37:57,639
on a certain location if I want something to happen,

678
00:37:58,079 --> 00:38:01,400
something paranormal. As best you get, how would it be

679
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:03,880
hobbit Land or would you go back to some of

680
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:08,280
the areas where all these upright canines where you had

681
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,920
your own sighting or is it all just equally as

682
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:13,119
active From what you can.

683
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 3: Tell for me, the most activity that we had communication

684
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:23,639
wise was out at obbit Land preparingormal stuff. Like we

685
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,119
went out to Okepinok several different times. I have so

686
00:38:26,199 --> 00:38:28,719
much footage that never got used because nothing happened, and

687
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:30,239
I didn't want to just put in a bunch of

688
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:35,199
stuff of nothing. If there wasn't anything that I felt

689
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,519
like was interesting to me, I didn't want to bore

690
00:38:38,599 --> 00:38:42,000
someone else with it. So there's so much unused material

691
00:38:42,039 --> 00:38:45,199
that we have because nothing was going on. Now obviously

692
00:38:46,119 --> 00:38:49,280
maybe there was stuff going on, we just didn't catch it.

693
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,440
But like I said, when it comes to OKEEPINOK, everyone

694
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,000
says that is one of the most haunted places, but

695
00:38:56,039 --> 00:38:58,280
I've personally never had anything happen to me there.

696
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, that hobbit Land area is creepy, very creepy, even

697
00:39:04,519 --> 00:39:07,079
during the day. As you said, you were out there.

698
00:39:07,119 --> 00:39:09,320
It even just it has this vibe to it.

699
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:14,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's just a bridge in the middle of nowhere.

700
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,800
People of spray painted. Don't trust the Hobbit or the

701
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:22,199
hobbit lies or something like. On the bridge, it's been graffiti.

702
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,480
There was a shopping cart on the side of the

703
00:39:24,559 --> 00:39:26,440
down in the creek, Like who brought a shopping cart

704
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,079
out there and just threw it over there. It's just

705
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:33,599
random stuff. But the thing out there, and I don't

706
00:39:33,639 --> 00:39:35,360
know how well you were able to see it in

707
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:40,199
the documentary, but when we were out there and Sean

708
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:44,679
had noticed something in the distance and it was a light,

709
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,239
and I couldn't tell if it was like a reflection,

710
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,159
and I thought maybe it was like the reflection from

711
00:39:50,159 --> 00:39:51,960
the truck that was parked down there, but obviously it

712
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:55,239
wasn't as in the middle of the road. And it's

713
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:57,880
hard to see in the film, but you can kind

714
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,599
of see it, and as we start to walk to it,

715
00:40:00,639 --> 00:40:03,559
you can tell us kind of moving and then it

716
00:40:03,639 --> 00:40:06,840
just kind of like disappears. That freaked me out because

717
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:08,679
I thought it was a person out there with like

718
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,039
it was almost like a greenish light. So that's not

719
00:40:11,079 --> 00:40:14,760
like a normal colored light you would see like you

720
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,639
would think you'd see like a yellow light, or even

721
00:40:17,679 --> 00:40:21,360
if somehow like a flashlight like a light, but this

722
00:40:21,519 --> 00:40:24,639
was like a green color. So I thought maybe it

723
00:40:24,679 --> 00:40:26,599
was like a reflection from a sign, but there is

724
00:40:26,639 --> 00:40:29,679
no signs out there, so I don't know what that

725
00:40:29,679 --> 00:40:32,119
could have been. We drove down there to try and

726
00:40:32,159 --> 00:40:35,159
debunk it later, and we couldn't because there's nothing there,

727
00:40:35,599 --> 00:40:38,920
which is vaguely in the same area as to where

728
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,960
he said he'd saw those years ago where he'd seen

729
00:40:42,079 --> 00:40:45,840
this thing come out from behind a tree. This is

730
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:50,960
all in that same little area. And after we started

731
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,199
following the light is when we started getting the communication.

732
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,440
Like we had the spirit box out there with us.

733
00:40:56,519 --> 00:40:59,400
We had the K two meter and you can hear

734
00:40:59,519 --> 00:41:02,719
my son, which I'm that dad that brought my twelve

735
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,599
year old thirteen year old out with me because he

736
00:41:05,599 --> 00:41:08,079
wanted to go, and he's got a hold of my

737
00:41:09,599 --> 00:41:13,719
spirit or the K two meter, and you can hear him,

738
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:15,599
which I didn't even realize because I didn't hear him.

739
00:41:15,639 --> 00:41:17,480
I's too focused on what was going on in front

740
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,000
of me with the light. He's saying that the lights

741
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,039
on that meter were going off as we were walking,

742
00:41:22,079 --> 00:41:26,039
but I didn't didn't realize that until afterwards. And then

743
00:41:26,079 --> 00:41:27,920
once we stopped, he brings it up again that the

744
00:41:28,079 --> 00:41:29,639
meters are going off, and that's how we start to

745
00:41:29,639 --> 00:41:31,440
pay attention to that, and that's when the things started

746
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,440
to respond to us. But you can also hear the

747
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:38,679
responses on the spirit box that coincide with what's going

748
00:41:38,679 --> 00:41:43,000
on on the K two meter, and I'm very skeptical

749
00:41:43,039 --> 00:41:47,920
of stuff like that, but it's too too much of

750
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:52,119
a coincidence for something to say words and make answers

751
00:41:52,159 --> 00:41:56,719
that match up to questions or references and also make

752
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:58,519
things light up when you're asking it to do that.

753
00:42:01,199 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, most people know. I'm not super excited about EVPs either,

754
00:42:05,079 --> 00:42:08,000
unless they do as you say, directly correlate to what

755
00:42:08,119 --> 00:42:10,599
is going on or what is being said. And actually,

756
00:42:10,599 --> 00:42:12,559
at one point it does seem like you're kind of like, hey,

757
00:42:12,559 --> 00:42:14,559
did you know you want us to stay? Do you

758
00:42:14,559 --> 00:42:18,199
want us to go? And there is some reaction and

759
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,639
interaction there, and then at one point it almost sounds

760
00:42:20,679 --> 00:42:24,199
like it says bye or goodbye on the spirit box.

761
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,360
So it's an interest at the very least.

762
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, like I said, when it comes to spirit boxes

763
00:42:30,079 --> 00:42:33,960
and stuff like that. I understand it's picking up frequencies

764
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,679
by going through the signals, so you interpret what you

765
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,199
hear and doesn't necessarily mean that's what it is. But

766
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:42,639
at the same time, it's creepy when it answers you

767
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,599
in something or responds to you, because if you think

768
00:42:45,599 --> 00:42:47,760
about the signals of how fast it's going by, how

769
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:49,519
did they make that word at that exact time?

770
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 2: Right? Yeah, that's when it's cool to actually be there.

771
00:42:54,519 --> 00:42:57,199
And I'm sure that everyone had the chicken skin going on,

772
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:03,039
right like, oh that that was a little bit creepy. Yeah, well,

773
00:43:03,039 --> 00:43:05,400
Brandon as much as you can. And I don't know that.

774
00:43:05,679 --> 00:43:08,360
I know that you don't know every word that it's

775
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:11,159
going to be at this moment. I know a little

776
00:43:11,159 --> 00:43:14,880
bit about what Seth grows through to get things distributed,

777
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:18,039
and it's not the easiest thing. But as of right now,

778
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:22,159
what is the plan for distribution and how people will

779
00:43:22,199 --> 00:43:23,199
be able to see this?

780
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,079
Speaker 3: Originally it was supposed to be out on all the

781
00:43:28,119 --> 00:43:31,880
streaming platforms, but I have not been able to get

782
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:35,480
it picked up for distribution, so it's still kind of

783
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,719
just sitting in limbo waiting to be quality controlled, and

784
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:42,320
it's been two months, so I don't know if that's

785
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,440
ever going to get picked up. I know the things

786
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,000
that people used to use to get things picked up

787
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:51,320
with has been changed here recently. And I've actually talked

788
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:56,280
to a few studios. I've had offers to have them,

789
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:58,840
but they wanted one hundred percent creative control. They wanted

790
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:00,360
to be able to do what they wanted. Like, I'm

791
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,239
not giving that up, so I turned that one down.

792
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:05,639
I have another offer, but they wanted me to pay

793
00:44:05,679 --> 00:44:11,920
them fifty five hundred dollars upfront, and then they wanted

794
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:18,199
the first fifteen thousand dollars before I'd ever see anything.

795
00:44:18,639 --> 00:44:23,000
I was like, no, not doing that either. So as

796
00:44:23,039 --> 00:44:25,840
of right now, it's set up for I guess YouTube,

797
00:44:26,119 --> 00:44:28,280
but I had to create a different YouTube channel, so

798
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:33,320
it's Tenfoil Tells Films is where I have it set

799
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,000
up to be launched on June twelfth.

800
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:41,760
Speaker 2: June twelfth excellent. And then of course if anyone wants

801
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:46,239
to just you know, you can type in the missic

802
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:50,079
Sinewa triangle. It is spelled exactly how you say it,

803
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:54,960
m I ss ISSI n e w a triangle. You

804
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,280
can search it that way, but it's probably easier just

805
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:04,000
to go to the tenfoil t Films YouTube channel then

806
00:45:04,079 --> 00:45:08,000
to try to spell it. I understand so well. Brandon

807
00:45:08,079 --> 00:45:10,719
also mentioned your podcast as well. In any of the

808
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,159
socials that people can find you on that you wanted

809
00:45:13,199 --> 00:45:14,199
to shout out.

810
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 3: You can find ten foil Tells podcasts anywhere you listen

811
00:45:19,039 --> 00:45:22,880
to podcasts at so, Apple, Spotify, there is a YouTube channel.

812
00:45:23,159 --> 00:45:26,360
It's again just ten foil Tells. You can find me

813
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:28,519
on any of the social media is just look up

814
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,639
ten foil Tells. Make sure you do find the correct

815
00:45:31,679 --> 00:45:35,719
one because apparently there is a Australian version of tin

816
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:40,960
foil Tells. I do want to add this to there

817
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:45,519
because someone the reason you and I got connected years

818
00:45:45,519 --> 00:45:48,679
ago was because of a friend I have. His name's Greg,

819
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:53,559
and he recently passed away. So I want to say

820
00:45:53,559 --> 00:45:55,360
thanks to Greg for having you and I get connected,

821
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:57,280
because I think he was the one that originally reached

822
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:58,599
out to me to try and reach out to you

823
00:45:58,639 --> 00:46:01,679
a couple of years ago, but he sadly passed away

824
00:46:02,199 --> 00:46:05,280
last week, so I'm.

825
00:46:05,079 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 2: Sorry to hear that.

826
00:46:07,079 --> 00:46:09,320
Speaker 3: I know he was he'd met you before at one

827
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:12,679
of the conventions or whatever. He had a photograph with

828
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:13,960
you at some point. I think it was like a

829
00:46:15,079 --> 00:46:21,639
over in Ohio when the monster Yeah. Well, but now

830
00:46:21,639 --> 00:46:24,320
he recently just passed away tragically.

831
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:29,119
Speaker 2: So oh my gosh, I'm sorry to hear that. I

832
00:46:29,159 --> 00:46:33,880
think I remember him bringing that up when we met

833
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:37,440
at Monsterfest about oh, I'm the one that you know

834
00:46:37,599 --> 00:46:40,639
but you and Brannett. Yeah, I do. I do recall that.

835
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:44,679
Very nice man. That's that's sad to hear.

836
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:50,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't like it, indeed, on a a sad note.

837
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:55,320
But I I was in the middle of recording someone

838
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:58,039
last week when I found out about it.

839
00:46:59,519 --> 00:46:59,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

840
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 3: So it's just one of those things like I went

841
00:47:02,039 --> 00:47:05,119
to viewing and everything. But I felt like he made

842
00:47:05,119 --> 00:47:06,719
the connection for you and I to get together. So

843
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:08,199
I just want to kind of honor him.

844
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:11,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he sure did. We'll rest in peace to Greg.

845
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,920
Super nice guy. Yeah. Was he in? I'm trying to

846
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,679
recall was he in? I mean, he was obviously closer

847
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:21,800
to you than he was to us in Ohio where

848
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:23,679
he met us at Monsterfest, right.

849
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:28,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, lives He lived about fifty minutes north of where

850
00:47:28,199 --> 00:47:33,239
I live. There is one other thing that we can

851
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:37,000
end on a positive. Not too many people know this

852
00:47:37,119 --> 00:47:40,159
because it's not like I'm not much of a boaster

853
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,599
or anything. But this is actually kind of an interesting thing.

854
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:48,039
You know the movie that came out recently with Emma

855
00:47:48,119 --> 00:47:51,039
Stone where she's bald, like they shaved her head so

856
00:47:51,079 --> 00:47:52,079
she thought she was an alien.

857
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 2: I've seen the promo photos, but I don't know much

858
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,880
about that film or what's doing with that.

859
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:03,760
Speaker 3: It's called Bogonia. It came out. It's on Netflix right now.

860
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:06,800
It came out last year. It was nominated for Academy Award.

861
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:12,159
You can actually hear me in that movie, really, when

862
00:48:12,199 --> 00:48:16,039
he's riding his bicycle to work. He's listening to my podcast.

863
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:17,199
Speaker 2: Get Out of Here.

864
00:48:17,639 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, my name and podcast are in the Indian credits.

865
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:24,639
Speaker 2: That is so cool. Was there a certain nod to

866
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:26,480
a certain episode or anything, or.

867
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:30,280
Speaker 3: They licensed episode ninety nine from me?

868
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,639
Speaker 2: What episode is that? What were you discussing in episode

869
00:48:33,679 --> 00:48:34,280
ninety nine?

870
00:48:35,119 --> 00:48:39,079
Speaker 3: The cover up of alien craft and technologies, which goes

871
00:48:39,119 --> 00:48:40,360
along with what the movie is.

872
00:48:40,559 --> 00:48:42,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, they reached out.

873
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:44,760
Speaker 3: They reached out to me a couple of years ago,

874
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:47,079
and it literally took almost a year before it to

875
00:48:47,119 --> 00:48:49,159
ever come out. After that, they've reached out to me,

876
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:53,519
but they took the director apparently, of all people. I

877
00:48:53,519 --> 00:48:55,400
don't know how he found my podcast, but he told

878
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,440
them that he wanted the audio from that episode. So

879
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,199
the studio contacted me, and I thought it was a

880
00:49:00,199 --> 00:49:03,760
scam it first, I bet, but come to find out

881
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:06,400
is actually a real thing. And then sure enough, at

882
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:08,000
the end of the movie, you see my name in

883
00:49:08,039 --> 00:49:09,119
the podcast name man.

884
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:11,559
Speaker 2: That is very cool. Well, you do have that nice

885
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:16,880
low baritone voice, you know, for traditional radio and podcasts,

886
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:18,320
so that's awesome.

887
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 3: Everyone tells me I have a radio voice. It was like, okay, you.

888
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 2: Definitely do, see and I'm even trying to go lower

889
00:49:24,519 --> 00:49:29,199
as I talk. So yeah, I mean that's why traditionally,

890
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:32,199
you know, there was no women in radio back in

891
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:35,519
the day, was you know, wors and Wells and all

892
00:49:35,599 --> 00:49:39,719
these people with these beautiful low voices, you know. So,

893
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:44,440
and I think still to this day, even myself, I

894
00:49:44,559 --> 00:49:51,079
prefer to listen to a male, a man speaking on podcasts.

895
00:49:51,639 --> 00:49:54,320
And that's crazy coming for me. Probably people are like,

896
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:56,079
what are you done? Why would you even say that

897
00:49:56,119 --> 00:49:58,119
out loud? But that damn it, that is the truth.

898
00:49:58,599 --> 00:50:03,199
So there you go, Hey, yeah, that is that is

899
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:05,960
a that is a cool little tidbit, Brandon, very cool

900
00:50:06,519 --> 00:50:07,119
to look for that.

901
00:50:08,039 --> 00:50:10,079
Speaker 3: The only reason I brought that up again is because

902
00:50:10,079 --> 00:50:12,159
Greg kept telling me I don't talk about stuff like

903
00:50:12,199 --> 00:50:17,119
that enough, So I said, from now on, I'll mention it.

904
00:50:17,199 --> 00:50:20,440
Just for he kept giving me crap for never bringing

905
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:22,039
stuff up like that. I was like, I'm a humble

906
00:50:22,119 --> 00:50:23,599
type of a person. I don't try and go out

907
00:50:23,599 --> 00:50:24,599
there boast things.

908
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:27,800
Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad that you did so again in honor

909
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:30,760
of Greg. Swinging back to Greg, that's another non to him.

910
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:33,320
So I'm glad that you did mention that. That is cool.

911
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:35,960
I will be, uh, I did. I actually went the

912
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,920
second you said the name. Now I remember it's kind

913
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:44,360
of got uh an interesting font to the Pogonia on Netflix.

914
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:47,400
So now I will uh, I will be. I won't

915
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:49,480
be listening for that, I'll go I know that guy.

916
00:50:50,599 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, So it's a I went solid in theaters and

917
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:57,760
it was kind of weird, for real, hearing your voice

918
00:50:58,199 --> 00:51:00,519
like there's a music playing, so it's harder to but

919
00:51:01,039 --> 00:51:04,360
it's right after, like you hear for the first like

920
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,480
thirty seconds and it clips to something else and it

921
00:51:06,519 --> 00:51:08,239
comes back with him riding the bike again and you

922
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:09,280
can't really hear me talking.

923
00:51:10,079 --> 00:51:14,679
Speaker 2: That's awesome. You're like looking around like, yeah, that's that's me. Everybody.

924
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:16,280
Speaker 3: It was just me and my family. I think there's

925
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:17,960
like two other people in there. So we went opening

926
00:51:18,039 --> 00:51:20,280
night on like a Wednesday, and the one was in there.

927
00:51:21,679 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll have to watch that. I I this second

928
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,000
you said, I'm like, oh, I remember that because I

929
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:30,280
remember going, gosh, that's a those are that's an interesting font.

930
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:34,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a it's an interesting movie to be honest, Like,

931
00:51:34,199 --> 00:51:36,840
I'm not just saying it just because they use my stuff,

932
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,760
and it was like, it's just it's a kind of

933
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:44,039
funny but also makes you think, hmmm, I have to

934
00:51:44,119 --> 00:51:44,719
check that out.

935
00:51:45,159 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 2: Oh, that's very cool. Congrats on that, Brandon and I.

936
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:50,960
Congrats on the doc I enjoyed it. It's always nice

937
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:54,480
to be taken transported as close as you can get

938
00:51:54,519 --> 00:51:57,320
without actually going there yourself and seeing these locations in

939
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:59,440
the documentaries. That's why I also love to go and

940
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,400
film with the guys at STM. You know, it's just

941
00:52:02,519 --> 00:52:04,679
it's different to go there for yourself, isn't that.

942
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:08,320
Speaker 3: For me? It's just in my backyards. I don't really

943
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:09,079
have to go anywhere.

944
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, which also can be a bad thing because you've

945
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:15,679
also had your own experiences and you don't need to

946
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:19,239
be hey, look at me and light the light your

947
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:21,760
own flame even higher because you've already had stuff at

948
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:24,840
your own house too, so you know you don't you

949
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:27,599
don't need any extra bits at the house. That makes

950
00:52:27,599 --> 00:52:28,400
it a little different.

951
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:35,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, my youngest now he has imaginary friends too. I

952
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:36,719
was like, here we go again.

953
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:42,360
Speaker 2: M Like, that sounds familiar. We call them imaginary friends,

954
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:46,199
but they're not actually quite as imaginary as others might

955
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:48,639
like to think. It's not a pretty little box.

956
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:50,039
Speaker 4: Yeah.

957
00:52:50,039 --> 00:52:53,119
Speaker 3: He his friend is named Johnson and he's four years

958
00:52:53,159 --> 00:52:54,199
old and has a mustache.

959
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:56,079
Speaker 2: Oh.

960
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:57,320
Speaker 3: I was like, that's nice.

961
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 2: Sounds like Johnson's bullshitting, is what Johnson's doing?

962
00:53:02,039 --> 00:53:04,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I told him that Johnson is not his friend.

963
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, Johnson needs to take a hike. Johnson needs to

964
00:53:10,519 --> 00:53:13,679
not be messing with your kid, is what needs to

965
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:14,440
be happening.

966
00:53:14,519 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 5: Right.

967
00:53:16,519 --> 00:53:20,079
Speaker 3: So a couple of this happened after we spoke the

968
00:53:20,119 --> 00:53:22,360
last time. But I was doing an event and a

969
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:26,559
lady came up, and this is it's creepy in a sense.

970
00:53:26,599 --> 00:53:30,000
Because I don't understand like the vibes that people get.

971
00:53:30,079 --> 00:53:31,840
But she claimed that she was a medium and something

972
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:36,719
was telling her to tell me that there are three

973
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:40,760
spirits in the house. One is of the little girl

974
00:53:41,039 --> 00:53:44,159
she drowned, not on the property, but down along the

975
00:53:44,199 --> 00:53:46,559
stream somewhere, which makes sense because obviously where I lived,

976
00:53:46,559 --> 00:53:49,000
there's all sorts of stuff around here, so she just

977
00:53:49,079 --> 00:53:50,920
passes through. And that was the one that was being

978
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:54,480
friendly with my daughter. And there's another one that's playful,

979
00:53:54,559 --> 00:53:59,079
but he's just on the ground itself, like he's not harmony,

980
00:53:59,119 --> 00:54:02,920
that he just here. But then there's one that's dark.

981
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:08,239
And if we don't figure out I'm trying to word

982
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:11,480
it the exact way, if we don't figure it out

983
00:54:11,599 --> 00:54:14,360
before the boy turns fourteen, it'll be too late.

984
00:54:15,639 --> 00:54:16,280
Speaker 2: Oh lovely.

985
00:54:17,559 --> 00:54:19,559
Speaker 3: I was like, well, I have a thirteen year old,

986
00:54:20,119 --> 00:54:22,280
so I have till next year to figure it out.

987
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:26,000
Or and my son, my youngest, he'll be five. So

988
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,039
I was like, I either got nine years or I've

989
00:54:28,039 --> 00:54:31,360
got like less than a year. I was like, could

990
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:32,280
you be any more vague?

991
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,039
Speaker 2: Yeah? I was just gonna say, I mean, she comes

992
00:54:35,119 --> 00:54:39,119
up with this information but then has no follow up

993
00:54:39,159 --> 00:54:42,079
on how to be of help with that.

994
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:45,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, or to be more specific, Yeah, she walked away.

995
00:54:45,639 --> 00:54:47,119
She just wanted me to know that that's what the

996
00:54:47,159 --> 00:54:49,199
spirit guides were telling her, and then she went off

997
00:54:49,199 --> 00:54:51,000
about her business and I never seen her again.

998
00:54:52,559 --> 00:54:57,199
Speaker 2: Your daughter was all I mean, obviously there were your

999
00:54:57,199 --> 00:55:01,679
sons there too. No, okay, And what do you mean

1000
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:03,519
she's being really friendly with your daughter?

1001
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 3: This is an event that I was speaking at, So

1002
00:55:06,039 --> 00:55:09,079
this is none of my kids were even there. Oh okay,

1003
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:11,159
I don't know how she even knew how to have

1004
00:55:11,159 --> 00:55:11,599
had a boy.

1005
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:16,199
Speaker 2: Oh gosh. Well, I mean, I guess she's a psychic medium.

1006
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:21,679
But then again, you come with this very ominous message.

1007
00:55:22,599 --> 00:55:25,039
Oh like, oh you have till he's fourteen? Good luck?

1008
00:55:25,159 --> 00:55:27,239
Well really?

1009
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:31,679
Speaker 3: Yeah. So that's something that's been haunting me in the

1010
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:35,119
back of my mind, is like, I've done everything I

1011
00:55:35,159 --> 00:55:38,079
can to try and make things protected around here. But

1012
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:40,599
what are you supposed to do when someone randomly just

1013
00:55:40,639 --> 00:55:43,000
comes around and gives you some sort of vague information?

1014
00:55:43,079 --> 00:55:44,559
Do you believe it or just ignore it?

1015
00:55:45,079 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 2: Right? Okay, just hypothetical. And I know that you have

1016
00:55:51,519 --> 00:55:53,519
your own podcast. It's not like she can't find you.

1017
00:55:53,599 --> 00:55:55,960
But if she was watching right now, if she could see,

1018
00:55:56,519 --> 00:55:58,800
would you say something to her like get back in touch,

1019
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:00,880
or can you help me out any more than this

1020
00:56:01,119 --> 00:56:01,920
or anything?

1021
00:56:03,519 --> 00:56:06,679
Speaker 3: If she is listening right now, and I've mentioned this

1022
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:11,480
on my show before, I think I would like to

1023
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:13,400
know which kid you're talking about. If the spirits you're

1024
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:16,079
telling me something like is it my soon to be

1025
00:56:16,119 --> 00:56:21,320
fourteen year old or my youngest because fourteen year olds

1026
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:22,960
one or the thirteen year olds will on that goes

1027
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:25,360
out and helps me film this type of stuff. He

1028
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:28,199
enjoys it. My youngest one is now talking to a

1029
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:31,679
mustache four year old, so I'm almost clined to believe

1030
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:32,840
is probably the younger one.

1031
00:56:33,079 --> 00:56:40,159
Speaker 2: Right, So the thirteen year old, he hasn't been seeing anything.

1032
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:43,039
He hasn't really spoken much about that.

1033
00:56:43,199 --> 00:56:49,159
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, have been. My oldest are downstairs and they

1034
00:56:49,159 --> 00:56:51,440
don't ever talk about anything like that. The biggest thing

1035
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:53,880
that he's freaked out by is we have a wood

1036
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:57,320
burner and it's down in the basement where their rooms are,

1037
00:56:58,079 --> 00:57:00,199
and he keeps her noises in the wood burner. Well,

1038
00:57:00,199 --> 00:57:03,400
the wood burner is notorious or trapping birds. They come

1039
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:06,639
through the chimney. So I opened it the other day

1040
00:57:06,679 --> 00:57:11,280
and a birdbolt flew into my face. Yeah, that's the

1041
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:13,239
only thing that freaks him out. He's not afraid of

1042
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:15,280
ghost or anything like that. I don't think he believes

1043
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:15,719
in any of it.

1044
00:57:17,119 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 2: So what's what's what's Johnson's deal? What's he saying to

1045
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:22,159
your four year old?

1046
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 3: He has never said anything besides the fact that he's

1047
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:31,440
coming to his birthday party. Yeah, Johnson's coming to his

1048
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:34,960
birthday party. Johnson and him are playing and I don't know,

1049
00:57:35,519 --> 00:57:38,679
he doesn't get too specific about what him and Johnson.

1050
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:43,920
Speaker 2: Are doing, right, Yeah, Johnson's full of shisa is what

1051
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:47,800
that is? That is immediately your mind just goes to

1052
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:51,199
a dark place with that. I mean obviously thinks as

1053
00:57:51,239 --> 00:57:53,159
a kid with a four you know, with a mustache.

1054
00:57:53,239 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 3: I mean, well, no, no, I giggled about it because

1055
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:00,360
I thought it was funny at first, But the more

1056
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:03,039
I think about it's like, it's not really funny. It's

1057
00:58:03,039 --> 00:58:03,760
pretty creepy.

1058
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's not. It's not it's not funny. It's

1059
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:08,800
not good. Yeah.

1060
00:58:09,559 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 3: He hasn't mentioned even the last couple of days, So

1061
00:58:12,239 --> 00:58:14,360
we'll see. This is like a very recent.

1062
00:58:14,119 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, just a couple of days. It's only

1063
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:19,320
been a couple of days since he last mentioned him.

1064
00:58:19,519 --> 00:58:22,159
Does he does he see Johnson in his bedroom?

1065
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:27,599
Speaker 3: He will randomly just start talking about his friend Johnson.

1066
00:58:27,719 --> 00:58:30,639
And before he talked about his other house that he

1067
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:33,400
lived in and he had other brothers and sisters. We

1068
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:36,639
always just talked overactive imagination because he's a little kid.

1069
00:58:37,239 --> 00:58:39,639
But now he's being specific with names again. And that's

1070
00:58:39,679 --> 00:58:42,880
what my daughter had started being right because she had

1071
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:46,199
that one named Chloe. It was like, No, I was like,

1072
00:58:46,199 --> 00:58:50,360
what is it with you kids and creepy people? Like

1073
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:52,039
when we lived in our other house, we never had

1074
00:58:52,039 --> 00:58:54,880
any problems like this. So I still think it's because

1075
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:57,320
of the location of where we're at.

1076
00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:00,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's the closest body of water to you again.

1077
00:59:02,199 --> 00:59:05,480
Speaker 3: Well, if you go two miles south, there's the Walbash River,

1078
00:59:05,559 --> 00:59:07,639
and if you go two miles north is the Eel

1079
00:59:07,719 --> 00:59:13,880
River right between both rivers. So here's another interesting thing

1080
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:17,280
for the true crime people. I don't know if you're

1081
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:20,480
familiar with the Delphi murders, the two little girls that

1082
00:59:20,519 --> 00:59:26,199
were murdered, you were right along the Deer Creek. But

1083
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:29,719
if you follow the river streams from here, the Hill

1084
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:32,280
River connects to the Walbash River and Logan Sport, which

1085
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:34,159
is where one of the guys had talked about seeing

1086
00:59:34,159 --> 00:59:36,320
that orbit in his house that was floating in the documentary.

1087
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:39,480
He was from over in that area. And then if

1088
00:59:39,519 --> 00:59:43,360
you follow that down it connects into the town of Delphi,

1089
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:48,039
which is the same area where the two little girls

1090
00:59:48,039 --> 00:59:51,960
were murdered, right along that river. So if you follow

1091
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:56,880
these rivers, there have been so many murders along them,

1092
00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:59,880
not just here. Like when I was digging for information

1093
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,519
and there was going to be a true true crime

1094
01:00:02,599 --> 01:00:05,039
part of my documentary, but I'd already had like eighty

1095
01:00:05,079 --> 01:00:08,000
five minutes, so I didn't even get into any of that.

1096
01:00:09,679 --> 01:00:12,239
There have been so many murders along these rivers over

1097
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:16,159
the years, like right from where they'd seen like this

1098
01:00:16,199 --> 01:00:20,679
one location had multiple dog man sightings just literally upstream

1099
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:24,119
they'd found this is I think in just a couple

1100
01:00:24,119 --> 01:00:27,199
of years ago they found a girl and I don't

1101
01:00:27,239 --> 01:00:28,960
know if she'd been murdered or she'd drowned her up,

1102
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:32,559
but they found her body along the river she'd been missing.

1103
01:00:34,079 --> 01:00:38,119
And then there's been murders all along the Mississinoma. Obviously,

1104
01:00:38,239 --> 01:00:40,559
the Native Americans but like even recent times, there's been

1105
01:00:40,639 --> 01:00:44,800
murders along the river, bodies get dumped in there. Even

1106
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:49,360
in the nineteen thirties, the mafia from Chicago used to

1107
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:51,719
come down here. This is again I can't verify this

1108
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:55,559
because it's not like the mafia took any documentation of it.

1109
01:00:55,599 --> 01:00:59,719
But that same general area where the two rivers meet,

1110
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:02,199
they used to have a building out there and that's

1111
01:01:02,199 --> 01:01:03,760
where they kind of stored some of their booze and

1112
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:07,960
stuff during prohibition days. There's always talks about having like

1113
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:10,519
local gang fights between the mafia people. And he used

1114
01:01:10,519 --> 01:01:14,639
to dump the bodies in the river. So again, what

1115
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:16,599
is what the rivers around here? And here I am

1116
01:01:16,679 --> 01:01:17,480
right in the middle.

1117
01:01:17,199 --> 01:01:20,519
Speaker 2: Of Yeah, that's probably not helping you, but it's not

1118
01:01:21,159 --> 01:01:23,039
like any of us. It's not like you can just

1119
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:25,880
pack up and move at a whim and just you know,

1120
01:01:26,199 --> 01:01:28,920
as a just in case, you know, and plus you

1121
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:32,960
don't even know if that would rectify or fix anything.

1122
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:36,280
But Johnson sounds like a real a hole and I

1123
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:39,039
think you should leave your kid alone. I don't like

1124
01:01:39,119 --> 01:01:41,920
hearing that at all, Brendon, and I hope you keep

1125
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:43,559
me in a loop with that one, because that's not

1126
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:47,360
that creeps me the hell out. The second he said that,

1127
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:50,000
I'm like, oh God, that's dark. That's I don't want.

1128
01:01:50,599 --> 01:01:51,239
That's not good.

1129
01:01:52,159 --> 01:01:54,159
Speaker 3: He's the same one that told us years ago, and

1130
01:01:54,199 --> 01:01:56,480
I think I talked about it in the first episode

1131
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:58,639
where he's seeing ghosts in the ceiling in our bedroom

1132
01:01:58,679 --> 01:02:00,519
and he kept saying ghost when he could bear speak

1133
01:02:00,599 --> 01:02:03,400
and he was afraid of something. Yeah, now he's the

1134
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:07,599
one seeing Johnson. And of all names too, like my

1135
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:11,079
friend John who helped film stuff, like, his name's john

1136
01:02:11,679 --> 01:02:13,719
So I originally thought maybe he was just making it

1137
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:17,199
up because his friend, my friend John he's saying Johnson.

1138
01:02:18,519 --> 01:02:21,280
But then the mustache. He's four years old, he's got

1139
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:23,400
a mustache, and everything is like, is he making this up?

1140
01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:26,599
Or is he's literally seen something that he thinks is

1141
01:02:26,639 --> 01:02:27,880
his friend named Johnson.

1142
01:02:30,519 --> 01:02:35,320
Speaker 2: Well, and considering you do a podcast very similar to mine,

1143
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:38,000
you know how these things work, and you wonder if

1144
01:02:38,079 --> 01:02:41,039
the ghosts and the ceiling are one and the same

1145
01:02:41,679 --> 01:02:46,559
as Johnson, that is supposed to be this child with

1146
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:51,360
a mustache interacting with your son, if it's just taken

1147
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:55,159
a different form, a form that he feels comfortable to

1148
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:57,039
interact with not good.

1149
01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:03,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, which I do have video of this and I

1150
01:03:03,639 --> 01:03:05,480
could probably my wife would be mad if I sent it,

1151
01:03:05,519 --> 01:03:08,679
but I could send it a couple This was will

1152
01:03:08,719 --> 01:03:12,559
be two years of coming October, I think. But we

1153
01:03:12,679 --> 01:03:17,599
have a little remote control green Goblin and it's my

1154
01:03:17,719 --> 01:03:19,519
son's and when you press the button and goes forward,

1155
01:03:19,559 --> 01:03:22,840
you press the button and goes backwards. I can't say

1156
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:26,840
this is paranormal, but again, when you see things and

1157
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:31,159
it responds to something, you say, creep shout. It was

1158
01:03:31,239 --> 01:03:34,679
moving by itself, and I started recording it, and so

1159
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:39,679
did my like my son, my older son. On my video,

1160
01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:41,880
you can see the remote still laying on the ground

1161
01:03:42,559 --> 01:03:45,400
and it's moving by itself. On his, when he was

1162
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:47,760
recording it, he didn't think because obviously not old enough

1163
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:49,599
to think about having to have the remote in there.

1164
01:03:50,719 --> 01:03:53,679
But on his video, my wife comes in and she

1165
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:56,960
gets mad at us for screwing around with the thing,

1166
01:03:57,039 --> 01:03:59,079
saying like it's a ghost or whatever, because we don't

1167
01:03:59,119 --> 01:04:02,119
acknowledge that type stuff. So she says, if you want

1168
01:04:02,159 --> 01:04:04,119
them to leave you alone, go backwards, and it goes

1169
01:04:04,159 --> 01:04:06,679
backwards and you hear it starts screaming and Gussie because

1170
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:09,480
it freaks her out, but it instantly responded to her

1171
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:14,559
and went backwards. Yeah, I took the batteries out of it,

1172
01:04:14,719 --> 01:04:19,159
and yeah, like I ain't messing with this stuff again.

1173
01:04:21,719 --> 01:04:25,599
But we go, we go weeks to months at a

1174
01:04:25,639 --> 01:04:28,239
time when nothing weird happening, and then randomly stuff happens.

1175
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:30,320
Like again, we've been pretty fine up until here recently,

1176
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:31,400
now Johnson shows up.

1177
01:04:34,719 --> 01:04:38,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, Johnson's turn. I can we already know that? Uh

1178
01:04:39,079 --> 01:04:42,960
that's a steel wolf in sheep's clothing, is what it

1179
01:04:43,039 --> 01:04:47,199
sounds like? Nothing friendly or nice about that, And I

1180
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:51,119
just I just worried because the last time that we talked,

1181
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:56,559
shortly after you had the things going on in your

1182
01:04:56,800 --> 01:05:03,760
recording studio. So I just flies, Yeah, just other weird

1183
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:07,800
things going on. So I guess we'll see what happens.

1184
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:11,559
But Brandon, thank you so much for coming back on

1185
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:16,639
to share. It sounds like you have already enough to

1186
01:05:16,719 --> 01:05:21,320
create a part two for a Triangle part two documentary.

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Speaker 3: I keep getting asked about that, and to be honest,

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I think what I'm going to do is focus on

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one specific spot and do like my own episode, like

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my whole mini doc of just that one specific episode.

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So like one at the battlegrounds want at Oke Pinok.

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I've got some other places that are around here too

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that didn't make the documentary that I'm going to hit up.

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There's a cemetery that everyone kept telling me I needed

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to go to, and I'm like, man, I think cemetaries

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are kind of cliche. But apparently when I was talking

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to some guy, he said a hell hound came after him.

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This was just a couple of weeks ago. When I

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was talking to him, he said years ago that he

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was over in the cemetery and a hellhound came after him.

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And I'm thinking, like the hell hound stories that we

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hear out by the Indian burial grounds, where these things

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chase you along the roads, this one was bipedal. So

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I said, it sounds like a dog man. He's like, no,

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it's a hellhound. I was like, okay, So he was

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convinced of what he believes it to be. But and

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then some other lady had talked about seeing stuff around

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there too, So last couple of weeks someone has mentioned

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this cemetery. I was like, all right, well, I think

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it's worth looking into. So for anyone listening, you might

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start seeing stuff on the Tinfoiltel Films page.

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Speaker 2: Very cool. Yeah, what an active area with all kinds

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of things, bad people, bad possible curses and blood on

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the land and all of the usual suspects for basically

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your your perfect recipe for paranormal activity, that's for sure. Yeah, well,

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thanks again Brandon, And again, guys, if you want to

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hear Brandon's retelling of that dog man for lack of

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a better term, that he saw, that was episode four

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fifty one, and don't forget to find him on Tinfoil

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Tinfoil Tales podcast wherever you find your podcast. And brendanm

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crossed my fingers that Johnson buzzes off, but I would

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like to be kept in the loop as to what's

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going on there.

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Speaker 3: Definitely. I don't think we're gonna hear much from Johnson

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here after this week. I'm planning on doing another one

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of my little cleansings.

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Speaker 2: Good.

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Speaker 3: We'll see if we got Johnson good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he needs to bye boy see ye start messing

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with the kids. That's that's something different. Mama Bears and

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Papa Bears don't like that sort of thing. So yeah,

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all right, Brandon, until next time.

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Speaker 6: Well, I'm sorry, So I was.

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Speaker 5: Given a slave by my parents.

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Speaker 4: Ye business, I've been out of college, I've done these

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things in my profession. I produce a little bark. But

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it says, forget it. That's that's something for a story.

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That's all gone, that's all passed.

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Speaker 7: And I want to see them, really you who are now?

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Speaker 8: But nobody knows who.

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Speaker 4: Earnings because we don't know ourselves except to listening to

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our ecdows and consulting our memmbers. And then that's a really.

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Speaker 6: And then again it's expect this questions.

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Speaker 4: Go are you?

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Speaker 8: That is the meaning.

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Speaker 4: We shall see how they play.

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Speaker 7: With this, except by the cots to get you.

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Speaker 5: Don't come out of your.

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Speaker 2: Show and find out.

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Speaker 4: I'm going really hard.

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Speaker 8: Its steps, it's it's it's speak spots, it's it's it's.

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Speaker 3: For example, are quite divided us?

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Speaker 5: They will say, no, we don't believe literally in reinformation

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that after your funeral you will suddenly become somebody different

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somewhere else.

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Speaker 3: They will say.

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Speaker 5: Reincarnation means this that if you're sitting here now, are

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really convinced.

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Speaker 7: That you're the same person the border at.

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Speaker 8: The door half an hour ago, you'll be reincarnated.

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Speaker 5: If you're liberate with rems.

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Speaker 3: Now that you're gone.

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Speaker 2: The past hasn't best.

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Speaker 8: The future doesn't insistence.

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Speaker 2: There is only the present.

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Speaker 3: That's the only amenium there is.

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Speaker 7: The zen masters don't get away in this place.

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Speaker 4: In the same.

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Speaker 5: The spring does not become the sun.

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Speaker 4: First there is something, and then there is spring.

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Speaker 8: It's it's, it's, it's, it's, it's it's that.

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Speaker 7: That's t s isn't has the same idea.

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Speaker 4: Where he says, when you settle down in the train,

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you can read your newspaper, and.

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Speaker 6: So you're not the same person.

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Speaker 3: While we go live the platform.

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Speaker 5: If you think you are, you are linking your moments

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up in the check.

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Speaker 6: And this is what binds the wheel, when you know

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that every moment of which you are is the only

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This comes intos air. The last will say to somebody,

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I cannot have a walk across the road and it

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can be back. And he says, where are your foot?

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They've gone a book, So.

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Speaker 4: Where are you? Who are you? When we are asked

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who we are, we usually

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Speaker 5: Give a kind of recitation of an instrum screens insciences