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Speaker 2: Remember what we did with the rn C, Well, we're
Speaker 2: going to do the exact same damn thing with the DNC.
Speaker 3: In fact, Night one heavy hitters.
Speaker 2: Right now on the stage is former Secretary of State
Speaker 2: Hillary Clinton. Lists Drop in and see what she's talking about.
Speaker 4: We're not just electing a president. We're uplifting our nation.
Speaker 4: We're opening the promise of America wide enough for everyone.
Speaker 5: Together.
Speaker 4: We put a lot of cracks in the highest hardest
Speaker 4: glass ceiling, and tonight, tonight so close to breaking through
Speaker 4: once and for all.
Speaker 3: I want to.
Speaker 5: Tell you what I see through all.
Speaker 4: Those cracks, and why it matters for each in every
Speaker 4: one of us.
Speaker 5: What do I see?
Speaker 3: I see freedom.
Speaker 4: I see the freedom to make our own decisions about
Speaker 4: our health, our lives, our loves, our families. The freedom
Speaker 4: to work with dignity and prosper to worship as we
Speaker 4: choose or not, to speak our minds freely and honestly.
Speaker 4: I see freedom from fear and intimidation, from violence and injustice,
Speaker 4: from chaos and corruption. I see the freedom to look
Speaker 4: our children in the eye and say in America, you
Speaker 4: can go as far as your hard work and talent
Speaker 4: will take.
Speaker 5: You and mean it. And you know what, And the.
Speaker 4: Other side of that glass ceiling is Kamala Harris raising
Speaker 4: her hand and taking the oath of office as our
Speaker 4: forty seventh President.
Speaker 5: Of the United States.
Speaker 4: Because, my friends, when a barrier falls for one of us,
Speaker 4: it falls, it falls and clears the way for all
Speaker 4: of us. So for the next seventy eight days, we
Speaker 4: need to work harder than we ever have. We need
Speaker 4: to beat back the dangers that Trump and his allies
Speaker 4: pose to the rule of law and our way of life.
Speaker 4: Don't get distracted or complacent. Talk to your friends and neighbors. Volunteer,
Speaker 4: be proud champions for the truth and for the contre.
Speaker 5: That we all love of.
Speaker 4: I want, I want my grandchildren and their grandchildren to
Speaker 4: know I was here at this moment, that we were here,
Speaker 4: and that we were with Kamala Harris every step of
Speaker 4: the way. This is our time, America.
Speaker 5: This is when we stand up.
Speaker 4: This is when we breakthrough the future's hair.
Speaker 5: It's at our grass.
Speaker 3: Let's go win it.
Speaker 2: These former Secretary of State former presidential candidate Hillary Clinton,
Speaker 2: addressing the DNC, we'll be bouncing in and out the
Speaker 2: first night.
Speaker 3: Well let me let me back up.
Speaker 2: I remember when I was I think it was second grade,
Speaker 2: because yeah, it was second grade, because it was missus
Speaker 2: Cochrane's class, and she, bless her heart, to her credit,
Speaker 2: she was the one who made it a point of
Speaker 2: teaching basically government to second graders. We were learning about
Speaker 2: Carter versus Ford and how we would elect a president,
Speaker 2: and I remember thinking, wow, this is so interesting, at
Speaker 2: least in a second grader's mind.
Speaker 3: But I can pinpoint that time. That was the moment I.
Speaker 2: Think I started to fall in love with the American
Speaker 2: political process. Of course it doesn't look like that now,
Speaker 2: but I'm saying back then it sparked this interest in
Speaker 2: me and I because it was later that year during
Speaker 2: that same election, I was watching the DNC and the
Speaker 2: RNC for the first time. But I remember watching the
Speaker 2: DNC and I was mesmerized by the keynote speaker Night one.
Speaker 2: And the keynote speaker of Night one is usually someone
Speaker 2: who's really really talented as an orator, possibly a future
Speaker 2: leader or presidential hopeful in the party. So the night
Speaker 2: one keynote speaker in a conventional cycle would have someone
Speaker 2: who's going to set the tone, and there was this speaker,
Speaker 2: the late Congresswoman Barbara Jordan, one of the best orators
Speaker 2: I have ever heard.
Speaker 3: If I could do anything one tenth of.
Speaker 2: What she did that night or what she did during
Speaker 2: nixon impeachment pre impeachment hearings, one of the greatest orators ever.
Speaker 2: But it sparked my interests in just following politics and
Speaker 2: how I fell in love with it to this day
Speaker 2: and I haven't missed an RNC or a DNC, at
Speaker 2: least on TV ever since. And this is a night,
Speaker 2: I think where we can actually celebrate, as we did
Speaker 2: a month ago, celebrate how we go about electing a
Speaker 2: president in this country. And I know it's real easy
Speaker 2: to be partisan, it's real easy to be cynical. But
Speaker 2: if you take a step back and take your personal
Speaker 2: desires out of it, you should be just kind of like, oh,
Speaker 2: this is kind of cool how the country, regardless of
Speaker 2: your political stripes, is coming together to choose our next leader.
Speaker 2: It's not often it's not often that you have a
Speaker 2: sitting president who's not running for reelection. You usually have
Speaker 2: an incumbent or a two term president who's termed out.
Speaker 2: But this is where I said this earlier today in
Speaker 2: my television hit. We're living through extraordinary times and if
Speaker 2: you don't realize it, then you don't grasp the enormity
Speaker 2: of the moment. I'll say the magnitude of the moment.
Speaker 2: And we are living through history. The idea of an
Speaker 2: incumbent president four months before the election stepping aside and
Speaker 2: VP stepping up. We had something similar in nineteen sixty
Speaker 2: eight with President LBJ and Humphrey, but not like this.
Speaker 2: It was much more contentious the Democratic Party. They basically
Speaker 2: had a a fight, a war on the floor of
Speaker 2: the convention. As far as nominating someone else, that's not
Speaker 2: what's happening here in Chicago. But I would say, really
Speaker 2: pay attention to how this process is coming together, regardless
Speaker 2: of who you're rooting for, and we will be listening
Speaker 2: to some of the heavy hitters. Not often do you
Speaker 2: have three presidents or former presidents speaking at one convention.
Speaker 3: It's just unheard of.
Speaker 2: And you would have had four if President Carter wasn't
Speaker 2: on his literal deathbed. So that's something something can be historic,
Speaker 2: and you don't have to like it. Just know that
Speaker 2: we are living through history some of the big heavy hitters.
Speaker 2: Tonight in day one, Sean Fain, president of the United
Speaker 2: Auto Workers Union. Of course you heard Secretary Clinton, the
Speaker 2: first lady, Joe Biden will be speaking and the keynote,
Speaker 2: which is really odd.
Speaker 3: You don't have a sitting president do a keynote.
Speaker 2: Usually the sitting president is the person that you're renominating,
Speaker 2: which on the final night, which is customarily Thursday. But
Speaker 2: to have Joe Biden speaking the first night tells you
Speaker 2: how unusual all of this is. And we'll bring that
Speaker 2: to you later on. I have some other thoughts about
Speaker 2: our political process, where we are at this time in America,
Speaker 2: and so much more. I don't get to talk as
Speaker 2: much politics here or later with Mo Kelly. I usually
Speaker 2: do it for my other properties. You might have seen
Speaker 2: me on Spectrum. No, you didn't see me on Spectrum
Speaker 2: because you were all asleep. I was on Spectrum in
Speaker 2: sixth fifteen, six thirty in the morning, bleary eye.
Speaker 3: It's just woo. This day cannot end soon enough. That
Speaker 3: was only like twelve hours ago. Were just getting started.
Speaker 3: What are you talking about?
Speaker 2: I know, I know, we'll help more, just a moment.
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Speaker 2: Yes, the DNC is going right now. Just in case
Speaker 2: you didn't know, KFI is owned. Gary and Shannon are
Speaker 2: broadcasting live all this week from the city of Chicago
Speaker 2: covering the DNC. I'm just playing around the periphery. We
Speaker 2: will drop in and out of the convention. But it
Speaker 2: got me nostalgic for when I was growing up and
Speaker 2: fell in love with the American political process, before we
Speaker 2: had all this partisanship or the different type of partisanship
Speaker 2: that we have today. It was a much more civil time.
Speaker 2: It was a much more conventional time. That's the word
Speaker 2: I would use. And you got to learn the process.
Speaker 2: As far as how in a party sense, we go
Speaker 2: about choosing our eventual president, and oftentimes I hear from
Speaker 2: people sie, we need to have more parties. We need
Speaker 2: to have more than a two parties system. We've always
Speaker 2: had more than two parties. You don't think the Green
Speaker 2: Party is a party? Do you remember the Constitution Party?
Speaker 2: What about Peace and Freedom? Oh Ross Perot when he
Speaker 2: was running as an independent. He was for a while
Speaker 2: he was part of the Reform Party. And if you
Speaker 2: really want to go back Strom Thurman and the Dixiecrats,
Speaker 2: of course, the Libertarian Party, the Alliance Party, if you
Speaker 2: really want to dig in the weeds. My point is
Speaker 2: we've always had other options. So why did we always
Speaker 2: end up with a Republican or a Democrat. Well, it's
Speaker 2: pretty simple. It's because those parties have infrastructure. Those parties
Speaker 2: have people on the ground who are working to get
Speaker 2: people elected at off levels in government other than just president.
Speaker 2: You know, you've never heard about a Green Party candidate
Speaker 2: for governor. You never heard about a Green Party candidate
Speaker 2: for mayor or, I don't know, comptroller, insurance commissioner, because
Speaker 2: they're not a functioning party on that level.
Speaker 3: They will have their convention air quotes.
Speaker 2: Well, they'll go to I don't know, a holiday inn
Speaker 2: somewhere in San Diego on a Friday night. They'll get
Speaker 2: liquored up, have a rage and Keiger, and then they'll
Speaker 2: come out Sunday and say, Jill Stein is our nominee.
Speaker 2: You have noticed that they don't have an actual primary. Why,
Speaker 2: because parties get to choose their nominees. However, they want
Speaker 2: the whole primemary system. A lot of people don't know
Speaker 2: what they don't remember. It didn't even include It did
Speaker 2: not include all fifty states until well until the nineteen seventies,
Speaker 2: and it wasn't even both parties at that point. The
Speaker 2: primaries are just a marketing survey. For a lot of
Speaker 2: the twentieth century, they just had, you know, a few states.
Speaker 2: They would just say, hey, you very important states, what
Speaker 2: do you think about this person or that person?
Speaker 3: Then they come up with a nominee.
Speaker 2: Now the selection process is much more comprehensive. You got
Speaker 2: all fifty states, and then they start tweaking the rules
Speaker 2: about who's allowed to vote in the primaries. Well, it's
Speaker 2: a closed primary, so you have to be a registered Republican.
Speaker 2: It's a closed primary. You have to be a registered Democrat.
Speaker 2: You independents, you can't vote in these primaries, like in California,
Speaker 2: it's a closed primary. I'm an independent, I can't vote
Speaker 2: in the presidential primaries.
Speaker 3: So you know, they don't want to hear what I
Speaker 3: have to say. But it's evolved and it's a marketing survey.
Speaker 2: And I've used the analogy before, but I think it
Speaker 2: still holds. It's like these parties are private corporations. Call
Speaker 2: it McDonald's, call it gravenus missile McDonald's. They do what
Speaker 2: they sell hamburgers. Now, they may ask you, you know,
Speaker 2: they may email you and say, hey, what do you
Speaker 2: think about us selling I don't know, hot dogs. And
Speaker 2: they'll go around and they'll ask Mark Ronald, they'll ask Steph,
Speaker 2: and they'll ask me, they'll ask to all of they
Speaker 2: may even ask Chris Little. Of all people, they may
Speaker 2: ask Chris Little, hey, what do you think about selling
Speaker 2: hot dogs at McDonald's. And let's say, hypothetically, all of
Speaker 2: us say, you damn right, I want to eat hot
Speaker 2: dogs at McDonald's.
Speaker 3: You know what McDonald's is gonna do.
Speaker 2: They're gonna say, Okay, thank you for you know, you're
Speaker 2: filling out the survey, thank you for your time. Here's
Speaker 2: a free coupon for a file of fish. But since
Speaker 2: we're McDonald's, we're going to just go ahead and stick
Speaker 2: with hamburgers. Maybe we'll even sell some chicken nuggets and
Speaker 2: even say what you asked us. Yes, but it's just
Speaker 2: an opinion survey. That's what primaries are. That's how they
Speaker 2: can change the rules. That's how they can have someone
Speaker 2: like Joe Biden be forced out and step aside. And
Speaker 2: then Tamala Harris talking about tonight, can step right in
Speaker 2: and he said, oh my gosh, you've undermined democracy. No,
Speaker 2: it is a private marketing survey. It's not a public election.
Speaker 2: People don't understand how their own country works, or their
Speaker 2: own party works for that matter. That's why the Democrats
Speaker 2: can do what they've done. No, you can't sue because
Speaker 2: they've already written this into the bylaws for the eventuality
Speaker 2: just like this. You can say delegates, super delegates, whatever.
Speaker 2: You can say it's rigged, you can say it's fixed. No,
Speaker 2: it's actually a private corporation working in its own best interests,
Speaker 2: and its own best interests were to win the election.
Speaker 2: And they knew that if we have Joe Biden in November,
Speaker 2: we're going to get our asses kicked. So they made
Speaker 2: a corporate decision and said, Joe, we need you to
Speaker 2: step aside for the good of the party. But I
Speaker 2: don't want to step aside.
Speaker 3: Joe.
Speaker 2: We need you to step aside for the good of
Speaker 2: the parties, not just you. It's about down ballot races.
Speaker 2: We're going to lose the House, We're going to lose
Speaker 2: the Senate, We're going to lose the Oval office. If
Speaker 2: your old ass is on the ballot in November. That's
Speaker 2: why we are here where we are. And it's not
Speaker 2: very different. I was talking about the Green Party how
Speaker 2: they went to the hotel Holiday Inn and San Diego
Speaker 2: for the weekend. It's not very different from that. Parties
Speaker 2: get to choose their candidate however they see fit. The
Speaker 2: rules for the Republicans are not the same as the
Speaker 2: rules for the Democrats. And when you opt in as
Speaker 2: in you register as a Democrat or you register as
Speaker 2: a Republican, then you.
Speaker 3: Know you're going to like the rules or you're not
Speaker 3: going to like the rules. But the rules are the rules.
Speaker 2: Them as the rules, as they say, and they created
Speaker 2: them for the benefit of the party. And remember how
Speaker 2: they pushed Hillary Clinton aside when Barack Obama was running
Speaker 2: and seeing like he was going to win. But it
Speaker 2: was it was neck and neck down to the end.
Speaker 2: It could have been a contested convention. And then the
Speaker 2: party leadership went to Hillary and said, Hills, Uh, for
Speaker 2: the good of the party, we need you to step aside.
Speaker 2: Because we need to have a unified convention. And Hillary said,
Speaker 2: I don't want to step aside a chance I can
Speaker 2: still win this.
Speaker 3: No, but it will.
Speaker 2: Create party friction and we'd have a broker convention and
Speaker 2: we can't have that going into the election. There are
Speaker 2: all sorts of examples like this, Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton.
Speaker 2: They said, Bernie, we need you to step aside. It's
Speaker 2: got to be Hillary. Gotta have a united party. This
Speaker 2: is not unusual. The only thing unusual is you had
Speaker 2: a sitting president four months before the election.
Speaker 3: And they pushed him aside. But that's how parties work.
Speaker 3: These aren't public elections. It's not like you're saying you're
Speaker 3: making my vote not matter. It never did matter.
Speaker 2: It's it's it's it's McDonald's. It's der venus missile.
Speaker 3: Now. On the other other hand, you can say Dervenus sstil.
Speaker 3: They try to sell everything.
Speaker 2: They try to sell hamburgers, they try to sell hot dogs,
Speaker 2: they sell corn dogs, chili dogs, I think, chicken fingers,
Speaker 2: and it never.
Speaker 3: Gets them anywhere. Hey, did they still have that Jerina
Speaker 3: nutsil across the street? Are they still open?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I think so. Someone to go because I'm hungry now.
Speaker 7: If polypsyde classes were more tube steak based, like the
Speaker 7: explanations that you're giving right now, everybody would have gotten
Speaker 7: better grades.
Speaker 2: All I'm saying is if you put it in terms
Speaker 2: that people kind of understand and relate to, it makes
Speaker 2: it all better. Now, Stefan, I know you got to work,
Speaker 2: but during this break, I would like two corn dogs
Speaker 2: and a chili cheese dog.
Speaker 3: Please, I'll pay for it. You don't. You don't like
Speaker 3: chili cheese dogs. Oh, I know I'm gonna know.
Speaker 2: If I had that, I would pay for it, and actually, oh,
Speaker 2: y'all would pay for it too.
Speaker 3: But it would taste good going down. Oh my goodness,
Speaker 3: it's so good.
Speaker 2: Don't you eat stuff every now and then because you
Speaker 2: have a taste for it, and then it reminds you
Speaker 2: why you don't eat it all the time like that.
Speaker 3: No, but I guess I understand what you're saying. Place
Speaker 3: is like, you'll never forget that I have.
Speaker 2: A taste for I do have a taste for jernastcil
Speaker 2: all the time. I pass it every single day and
Speaker 2: I tell myself no every single day. But there's going
Speaker 2: to come a day in which I'm going to be
Speaker 2: weak and I'm going to get into temptation. Stay strong,
Speaker 2: So Rina stcil is good. I don't care what anyone says.
Speaker 2: That stuff tastes good.
Speaker 3: I have never once eaten what never once? Wow? You
Speaker 3: half black men have never eaten it? As that's how
Speaker 3: is this a black thing? Come on, dude, well you
Speaker 3: got to explain it to Okay, let me just say, okay,
Speaker 3: have you ever eaten at church Is Fried Chicken? No?
Speaker 3: Have you ever eaten at pop Eyes? Once?
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, Pioneer he barely at KFC for
Speaker 2: the first time? True, I really, Oh my goodness, that's
Speaker 2: right because we had to introduce you to soul food.
Speaker 3: It's shameful, isn't it. I got a lot of learning
Speaker 3: to do.
Speaker 2: Okay, Stephan, do you need like my card or what
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Speaker 6: Let me ask you this. Do you think Jimmy is
Speaker 6: roaming around the White House tonight trying to find a
Speaker 6: meat loaf to warm himself up?
Speaker 7: On.
Speaker 5: I don't think the cod is the neat loaf.
Speaker 3: Who the hell today?
Speaker 6: Erodicman Georgia.
Speaker 3: Let me tell you something.
Speaker 6: I am so shiit of Washington and Orleans whites and
Speaker 6: all them politicians down there, and them congressman.
Speaker 3: And the congressman.
Speaker 6: Boy, I bet you will find none of them congressman
Speaker 6: signing down their electric blackest tonight. Of course, if they
Speaker 6: did their secretaries to get up and go home. Oh readers,
Speaker 6: the Democrats is doing the whole of the Democratic and
Speaker 6: you put him in there. It's the place sha head
Speaker 6: on you when you come back in the polls. But
Speaker 6: the Democrats way or running. This car used to go
Speaker 6: tell us all how we ought to make sacrifices.
Speaker 3: God dig great that night stuff.
Speaker 6: But they're all gonna have us over the hill to
Speaker 6: the poorhouse. We ain't gonna be able to drive over
Speaker 6: there because we ain't got no guess. We're gonna have
Speaker 6: to walk it. Well, the reader Digest says walking is
Speaker 6: very good for you. That ain't that lovely to read us?
Speaker 6: Die just can always put a little joy into poverty,
Speaker 6: can't h.
Speaker 2: Then we're gonna tell her alive everywhere on the iHeartRadio
Speaker 2: app and I was talking with Mark Ronner during the
Speaker 2: break and just to let you know, Mark Ronner, I
Speaker 2: have seen just about every episode of every Norman Lear
Speaker 2: show there is. I wouldn't say I have an encyclopedic
Speaker 2: memory of them, but I remember certain sentiments and episode
Speaker 2: and storylines. And I just remember that soliloquy from Archie Bunker.
Speaker 2: So I just said, oh, I got to go find it.
Speaker 2: And it was, Thank goodness YouTube it was there.
Speaker 7: That's off, brilliant cut, that's off, and it's so aproa
Speaker 7: po It still fits today if you if you if
Speaker 7: I played more of it, he goes into his conspiracy theories.
Speaker 2: It was press yet it was almost it was it
Speaker 2: was almost like predicting the future on steroids.
Speaker 3: Oh Lear was a genius.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, question, But we're talking about the DNC and politics
Speaker 2: more generally. Will drop in and out if it warrants it.
Speaker 2: What's going on in Chicago? Something else I want to
Speaker 2: talk about with regard to Chicago. Kamala Harris, vice President,
Speaker 2: hasn't had any missteps as of yet, but this is
Speaker 2: still a I wouldn't say a dangerous moment, but I
Speaker 2: would say it is a delicate moment for the Democratic Party.
Speaker 2: Given the protests which have already started in Chicago. Yes,
Speaker 2: they're going to be protests, and it's not going to
Speaker 2: be clear whether it's protests just about Gaza, or if
Speaker 2: it's anti Israel, or is it anti Joe Biden with
Speaker 2: respect to policy on Israel and Gaza.
Speaker 3: How that's all going to shake out.
Speaker 2: But it's more a question of how it's going to
Speaker 2: be covered and whether it starts to take away any
Speaker 2: real emphasis on the DNC. If the story becomes more
Speaker 2: about the protests than the DNC itself, then the Democrats
Speaker 2: have a huge issue. And there's no real prediction out
Speaker 2: there as far as which way it will go. You know,
Speaker 2: protests are unpredictable. Of course you're gonna have provocateurs. Of
Speaker 2: course you're gonna have agitators. But the only thing I
Speaker 2: can like it it too. When I was working in
Speaker 2: my previous radio gig, we went to both the DNC
Speaker 2: and RNC in two thousand and eight. In two thousand
Speaker 2: and eight it was in Denver, and there are a
Speaker 2: lot of protesters out there for this, that and the other.
Speaker 2: But what they did was the protesters could not get
Speaker 2: within half a mile of the arena. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: you could protest, but you are so far away from
Speaker 2: the press and the goings on of the convention it
Speaker 2: didn't matter. Now, without seeing the lay of the land
Speaker 2: in Chicago, I'm pretty sure that they probably did the
Speaker 2: same thing where you're not getting anywhere near the convention center.
Speaker 7: Do you not get the impression from some of the
Speaker 7: coverage that we've all seen that some in the press
Speaker 7: are kind of rooting for something like the sixty eight convention.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, no, they want to be part of that. Yes,
Speaker 3: they want to be able to cover it.
Speaker 2: They I think every reporter, and I'm going to generalize
Speaker 2: every reporter, every news person wants to have their own
Speaker 2: historical moment where they get to be a voice of
Speaker 2: history in some way.
Speaker 7: But they're committing that quantum physics observational fallacy thing by
Speaker 7: you know, observing it and being a part of it.
Speaker 2: You affect the outcome, right, You're not supposed to be
Speaker 2: part of the story. And I think part of it
Speaker 2: is what is it wish casting? Maybe yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 2: think that's part of it. But it is I think
Speaker 2: fair to acknowledge that that is a component of the story.
Speaker 2: We just don't know whether it's going to be a
Speaker 2: major part of the story or nothing at all.
Speaker 7: I'll tell you what it reminds me of is all
Speaker 7: the hack journalists that we heard predicting a recession because
Speaker 7: it would have given him something, something exciting to report on,
Speaker 7: and it never happened.
Speaker 2: Well, it was a prediction of recession for more than
Speaker 2: one presidential election cycle. Now it is fair to say
Speaker 2: that we are due for one, and we if we
Speaker 2: were to use history as a guide, Yeah, if we
Speaker 2: didn't have a pandemic and we didn't have other factors
Speaker 2: to artificially prop up our economy for an extended period
Speaker 2: of time, I think possibly would have hit recession.
Speaker 3: I actually thought there would have been one.
Speaker 7: But is I believed based on you know, the voluminous stuff.
Speaker 7: I consumed that a lot of reporters were rooting for
Speaker 7: a recession because they thought that'd be sexier to report
Speaker 7: on than good news.
Speaker 3: Well, let's think about this.
Speaker 2: There was a time near the end of the Trump
Speaker 2: administration when when back when the Dow Jones and a
Speaker 2: stock market actually mattered. It doesn't matter now as an
Speaker 2: economic indicator, but back then its supposedly mattered. Where we
Speaker 2: had dropped down to eighteen thousand, and that was one
Speaker 2: point I thought, Okay, we might be heading that way.
Speaker 2: But then, you know, but that was also running parallel
Speaker 2: to the pandemic. So we had interest rates frozen at zero,
Speaker 2: which never happens, I mean never, So you had things
Speaker 2: working against the working for a recession.
Speaker 3: If that makes sense, it does.
Speaker 7: My point is that I just I'm seeing more than
Speaker 7: I ever really have noticed in my life of mainstream,
Speaker 7: big time journalists trying to put a thumb on the
Speaker 7: scale because it will benefit them.
Speaker 2: Well, I think big time journalists these dates are usually
Speaker 2: connected to a cable news network, and that I think
Speaker 2: clouds the issue where it's less about journalism and more
Speaker 2: about the individual, not the outlet.
Speaker 7: Yeah, them becoming journalism stars, selling books, getting access to
Speaker 7: people they didn't have access to before.
Speaker 3: It's really quite a wonder to behold, and not in
Speaker 3: a good sense.
Speaker 2: Tough if I'm wrong, But I don't remember in the
Speaker 2: nineteen eighties or nineteen seventies in which every major journalist
Speaker 2: had a book that they were selling. No you reported
Speaker 2: the news wood Word in Bernstein. I don't think they
Speaker 2: did their book until way down the road.
Speaker 3: I can't answer that I don't know that. I don't.
Speaker 2: Well, put it this way, every major reporter anchor has
Speaker 2: a book now, every single one.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I mean there's the whole generation of journalists who were
Speaker 7: inspired by Woodward in Bernstein. Me it was Carl Koleshe
Speaker 7: at the Nightstalker. What we all have our journalism models.
Speaker 7: Mine was Coleshak.
Speaker 2: Well, honestly, for me, I was always a Cronkite fan.
Speaker 3: Oh of course, if only because he was. And also.
Speaker 2: Jim Gray, because I remember very faintly his his call
Speaker 2: for the Munich Olympics with the Israeli athletes and that
Speaker 2: how he handled that live in the moment, and those
Speaker 2: are the things that just stick with me, is like,
Speaker 2: that's a prob.
Speaker 3: Do you remember that call?
Speaker 7: Only in the most skeletal way, but I mean, just
Speaker 7: what he said, they're all gone, Okay, so you're talking
Speaker 7: about the kidnapping, yes, yes, the Munich Olympics.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, right right right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: That type of journalism where you're you're dealing with news
Speaker 2: as it's happening in front of you, and you're trying
Speaker 2: to put some sort of perspective on something, which is
Speaker 2: it's just completely unprecedented, completely unheard of, and you're trying
Speaker 2: to keep it together yourself and trying to explain seemingly
Speaker 2: the inexplicable.
Speaker 3: Yeah, historic, for sure. It's Later with Mo Kelly.
Speaker 2: We're waiting around to see when President Joe Biden is
Speaker 2: going to speak right now. I believe Ashley Biden is
Speaker 2: on the stage right now, and we know that Joe
Speaker 2: Biden is going to close out this first night of
Speaker 2: the DNC, and we will have his remarks live when
Speaker 2: they come.
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Speaker 3: It's Later with Mo Kelly.
Speaker 2: We're live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app as we're I
Speaker 2: guess monitoring the DNC right now. Senator Raphael Warnock of
Speaker 2: Georgia is speaking that a long way before, long way
Speaker 2: to go before we get to President Biden, so we'll
Speaker 2: just keep monitoring it. I've made a mistake last segment,
Speaker 2: I said Jim Gray regarding the Munich Olympics. I met
Speaker 2: Jim McKay, but you know, it gets all garbled in
Speaker 2: my mind. We're talking about broadcasts, anchors, journalism, how it's
Speaker 2: changed our expectations of what is news, how we figure
Speaker 2: out what to believe what not to believe, an ongoing
Speaker 2: conversation we've had as far as misinformation disinformation. Now, when
Speaker 2: you throw in social media AI and the intentional attempts
Speaker 2: to mislead the public with a lot of these videos,
Speaker 2: these memes, even Google ads and so forth, it makes
Speaker 2: it real, real, difficult for anyone to be able to
Speaker 2: separate truth from fiction. And part of it, that's that's
Speaker 2: the design to keep people confused and unsure. It's like,
Speaker 2: wait minute, is that allegation true or is that rumor true?
Speaker 2: Or did that really happen? Did so and so really
Speaker 2: do that fifteen twenty years ago? And so you just
Speaker 2: have a confused, overall uninformed populist. And I'm sorry that
Speaker 2: it's gotten to this point because I started tonight talking
Speaker 2: about when I first fell in love with the American
Speaker 2: political system as a child, and I remember clearly, distinctly
Speaker 2: what it was like then. Yes, you had some partisanship,
Speaker 2: but there was still a spirit of unity moving the
Speaker 2: country forward. And I'm not romanticizing, and I remember what
Speaker 2: it was like when you had Speaker of the House
Speaker 2: Tip O'Neil and President Ronald Reagan who vehemently disagreed in
Speaker 2: a policy sense, but they weren't disagreeable, and they were
Speaker 2: able to get some sort of legislation through. It seems
Speaker 2: like now if you don't have a president of a
Speaker 2: certain party and total control of both houses, the country
Speaker 2: can't move forward. And it didn't use to be that way.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: Whether we'll ever get back to a functioning government, I
Speaker 2: don't know. Probably not in my lifetime. Mark Ronner's a
Speaker 2: little younger than me. He might live long enough to
Speaker 2: see it. Definitely stefan, but I'm not going to be
Speaker 2: here to see it. My plan is to go out
Speaker 2: before you. I'm working on it. I try to tell
Speaker 2: people all the time I am a confirmed cynic, and
Speaker 2: being a confirmed cynic, I can't put too much faith
Speaker 2: in anybody or anybody's party, elected official or anything like that.
Speaker 2: Now there are some deal breakers, there's some politicians I
Speaker 2: can never support under any circumstances. But I don't limit myself.
Speaker 2: I vote for Republicans and Democrats. But I am a
Speaker 2: person who's really big on decency, dignity.
Speaker 3: And decorum. What I know.
Speaker 2: Imagine that respect for the office and put it this way.
Speaker 2: I hold people of higher office to higher standards. Why,
Speaker 2: because the responsibilities are greater. I'm not want to judge
Speaker 2: a presidential candidate as on the same level that I
Speaker 2: would someone who's running to be fry cook at McDonald's. Sorry,
Speaker 2: I know that sounds really dismissive and condescending, but it's true.
Speaker 3: I don't look at those positions equally.
Speaker 7: I have to choose my words very carefully here, So
Speaker 7: let me focus on what you said about history. You
Speaker 7: were talking about the sixty eight convention and LBJ stepping
Speaker 7: down to your point about how much things have changed,
Speaker 7: and what you implied was how far through the looking
Speaker 7: glass we are right now? Just think about Watergate, how
Speaker 7: little that was a couple break ins in a cover up.
Speaker 7: Compare that to what's happened in the last half dozen years.
Speaker 2: Well, think about the cover up talking about Richard Nixon,
Speaker 2: and it wasn't the cover up. Well it was a
Speaker 2: cover up, but it wasn't until we knew that there
Speaker 2: were a White House tapes that everything fell apart, because
Speaker 2: up until that point the cover up was covering.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 7: But what I'm saying is that compared to what we've
Speaker 7: seen just recently, that's like a hangnail.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and that happened over the course of many
Speaker 2: months and years. A political news cycle now could be
Speaker 2: five or six minutes what we were discussing last week, Like,
Speaker 2: for example, a month ago, we were talking about a
Speaker 2: presidential assassination attempt and how that was leading into the
Speaker 2: RNC and how seemingly at that point all the momentum
Speaker 2: was with former President Trump. That was just a month ago,
Speaker 2: and here we are in the world looks completely different.
Speaker 3: Doesn't mean that Kamala Harris is gonna win, absolutely not.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying how the political process has evolved in
Speaker 2: such a such.
Speaker 7: A short time. It's just ridiculous. Yeah, I mean, we've
Speaker 7: always had dirty politics. Let's not be under any illusions here.
Speaker 7: I mean, we remember that Nixon played a role in
Speaker 7: delaying peace in Vietnam to put a thumb on the election.
Speaker 2: Well, we always talk about Nixon and we kind of
Speaker 2: skip over for Spiro Agnew.
Speaker 3: Who well you know who was convicted on completely.
Speaker 2: Unrelated bribery charges while he was in office.
Speaker 3: And people think like he had to do a Watergate. No,
Speaker 3: he had nothing to do with Watergate. No, no, no,
Speaker 3: he was dirty all in his own right.
Speaker 2: Right on his own having nothing to do with Nixon,
Speaker 2: and because I guess you know, we had two different
Speaker 2: vice presidents in one administration because of Nixon.
Speaker 3: And not having to do with Nixon.
Speaker 7: But think about how Nixon stepped down after Goldwater told him,
Speaker 7: if you don't, you're gonna get it. That is a
Speaker 7: different universe than we live in today.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if there's anything even comparable to
Speaker 2: think that you have a sitting president there was a scandal,
Speaker 2: and then the Republicans went to him and said, if
Speaker 2: you do not resign, we will impeach you and then
Speaker 2: remove you from office. Because there was enough support back
Speaker 2: then on both sides of the aisle for.
Speaker 7: This unethical, probably illegal thing that you just did, instead
Speaker 7: of like, well, just brazen it out.
Speaker 3: We got this, just ride it out.
Speaker 2: And then to think, all this time later, we're debating
Speaker 2: air quotes presidential immunity, when if not for the pardon
Speaker 2: of Gerald Ford, most likely Richard Nixon would have been prosecuted.
Speaker 7: Historians that I have been reading say that that was
Speaker 7: one of the biggest mistakes in US history pardoning Nixon.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, Jerald Ford was saying, and the same
Speaker 2: argument which is being made today with former President Trump.
Speaker 3: It was quote unquote for the good of the nation.
Speaker 2: And I don't know if the nation benefited because they
Speaker 2: didn't prosecute Richard Nixon. Because I think it's set forth
Speaker 2: a dubious precedent that we're seeing where it's head today.
Speaker 7: It's like how you know, if you don't rub your
Speaker 7: dog's nose in something right afterwards, they think it's okay
Speaker 7: to keep want it.
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