Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome back to the Fundamental Principle.
With me today is my esteem guest and good friend,
mister Pete Canonia's host of the Peak Canonians show, available
in all your major podcasters. Mister Canoni is welcome to
the program.
Speaker 2: Thank you dye. How are you doing to it? I
I'm good, I'm good. I think that.
Speaker 1: Some introductions in order for our listeners. I just would
you just tell our listeners about yourself and kind of
you're A brief sketch of religious background.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was born into a Catholic family, baptized the
forty Christmas Eve the year I was born, forty five
days later, raised in a Catholic household, alter Boy Catholic
High school. Actually started out in a Jesuit school back
when it wasn't so bad, and I ended up transferring
out and finishing off in a Diocese of New York
Catholic school. Graduated, did the typical thing that a lot
of guys do. As soon as I graduated high school,
stopped going to church. Around the time I was twenty eight,
I started going back to church, but I went to
a Baptist church. A friend invited me to a Baptist church,
and I dove headfirst into Protestantism for about five years,
which included a stint in a Presbyterian a Presbyterian Church
of America seminary. Some people may even remember the name D.
James Kennedy, who was a staunch conservative, hardcore right winger.
It was his seminary. And became through going to churches
and Baptist churches and just seeing the politics, seeing how
you were going to have a church split. It seemed
like there was a church split every other year. I
became completely just demoralized by it, and I didn't go
to church for a lot of years and started going
to back when I met my wife, She's Baptist, grew
up Baptist, raised in the Baptist Church, started going back
to a Baptist church with her, a reform Baptist church.
And then when we moved to where we are now,
there's a very small, no resort of parish church in
this community, and I felt drawn to it and went back.
And as soon as I went back, I went back
to confession. I went to confession for the first time
in decades and took communion and started calling myself a
Catholic again, and yeah, I'm back home where I'm supposed
to be, where my ancestors were, and yeah, I feel
very much at home.
Speaker 1: That's good, I think very typically. You know, you're a
gen x er as am I on the tail and
Charlie of gen X. But you know, the Novasorto Mass
is only as old as us, right. It was promulgated
in nineteen seventy, you know, and it's it's gonna die
with the boomers. There's nobody who really truly believes in it.
Who's who's like a hardcore fan of the New Mass,
who like has kids, And you know, if the if
the church just said, you know what, this has been
a mistake, We're going back to, you know, the old Mass,
most of the people who go to the New Mass would.
Speaker 2: Just be like, oh okay and go along.
Speaker 1: I very sincerely believe that most people who's still attend Mass,
who attend the Novsoro and have children, would would prefer
the old Mass if they had had the chance. And
the reason I bring up your age is that complete
failure of the church to shepherd its people from I
don't know, nineteen seventy to nineteen ninety nineteen ninety five,
two thousand. I mean picking to the present. I guess
you know is has devastating consequences for people. And you know,
ex Catholics are the largest or the second largest religious
group in the United States of America precisely because the
church has failed in her mission to teach people. And
you know, praise God your back. But if all you're
getting is like felt banners and lousy Marty Hoggenhim's Ayr
Lokus Novisordo church, you're not getting anything. And it's certainly
not like a place you can raise kids or maintain
your own faith. And I just would wonder if you
would elaborate on that a little bit, because this complete
institutional failure we're seeing not just from the church but
from you know, political leaders and the media, and there's
there's nothing that you can grab onto this and say,
these people aren't going to lie to me, especially after
twenty twenty, right, there's nowhere you can go that's on
solid postemological footing where you where you can say the
truth is here at least. And I wondered if you'd
just elaborate on that or talk about that a little
bit with respect to the religious stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, as soon as I started going back, I immediately started,
you know, wondering where, if anywhere, there was a Latin
Mass around here, where there was a traditional Mass. And
the closest one is an hour and a half away.
It's in Birmingham, and I've been to it before the
first Friday of every month they have one. They have
them every Sunday, and there they're low, they're low masses.
There are other ones where they they do a full
mass in Alabama, but we're talking to two and a
half three hours away. A lot of people don't realize
just how big Alabama is. It's huge. And the interesting
thing about it is, you know, there is a Catholic
history in Alabama because it was settled by so many Germans,
especially in the upper central part of it. So there
are a couple of monasteries up there actually, and so yeah,
so I even though I when I have do I
go to the Noversorto Mass, I will, you know, locally,
I do make the trip. One of my brothers from
the old Glory Club was down here recently and we
went to the Mass in Birmingham with and his fiance
and yeah, it's just completely different in that. I think
one of the first things that struck me when I
went was that this is what my ancestors did. This
is how my ancestors worshiped, and this is how I
should be worshiping. And another thing about going back to
see my mom. My mom was a two two three
Mass a week person until nineteen seventy and then she
fell off, and it was because she liked the old
style of Mass. And in New York City you really
feel everyone has a real poll to their parish church,
the neighborhood church. You would have had to travel for that.
But yeah, I think that one of the reasons why
after high school I fell away is because by that time,
I mean the chure the school I went to, I
went to Catholics. So I went to Archdiocey School. It
wasn't even the quote unquote religious class that you had
every semester wasn't even religion. It was at one point
it was my senior year. The last half of my
senior year was like self help. It was like Leo
Muscalia kind of stuff. And so there was nothing, There
was no tradition, there was no there was no real
tie to my past. And I think you know Thomas
seven seven seven always talks about how we've just been
completely derastinated from our history and we were not allowed
to live historically anymore. And I think you, yeah, got.
Speaker 1: You basically lived Slaughter of Cities.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean yeah, my whole neighborhood that I
grew up, I grew up in the Bronx In When
I was growing up, my neighborhood was predominantly Puerto Rican Dominican,
and probably like sixty to seventy percent Puerto Rican Dominican,
twenty percent twenty five to twenty seven percent Black, and
it was still like a three percent Irish remnant. And
if you would have went back twenty years, that would
have been like eighty percent Irish neighborhood. If you had
have went back fifty, if you would have back fifty years,
would have been predominantly a Jewish neighborhood actually, but it
was predominantly an Irish neighborhood I would say, ten to
twelve years, ten twenty years before I was born, and
that's why you had That's why I was predominantly Catholic,
and that's why you had. I mean, there was a parish,
like every parish church, every six blocks. You know, we
had Sacred Heart School was just up up seven blocks
and then Saint Jerome's was one block over and one
block up and that was the church I went to
growing up. And yeah, it went from a full, you know,
a full church in the fifties and sixties to you
were lucky to fill that church on Easter, Christmas and
most Sundays it was maybe a quarterfall. And that can
that can be pointed directly to the slaughter of cities.
And just to mention, there was in the building I
grew up in, right next door, there was a they
built they tore down a building there and they built
a church and it was a like missionary Baptist church.
And if anybody knows what missionary Baptist church is, it
was a black church. And that didn't exist before for
I grew you know, when my when my mother was
a child, right, and.
Speaker 1: You know, it's not the job of the church necessarily
to like like assign you, like you know, on senior
assigns you a GF at you know, age seventeen or
Something's all right, you know, Peter, You're you're gonna you're
gonna get married with Becky. But it is the job
of the church to create a social environment where the
faith can be lived. And then you know, things flow
from that where if you still lived in the old
neighborhood and all the girls in the neighborhood knew, like
you're gonna marry a local guy, and your kids are
you were you your parents were baptized here at Anti Rms.
You were baptized here as ante Arms. Your kids are
gonna get baptized here at Antrums. You're gonna be a
guy from the local parish. You know, dating dating outside
the parish is considered exotic, right, you know, like, oh
I I dated a guy from Saint Patrick's down the street,
you know, like you know, three whole blocks of way,
he's Polish, you know, uh, right, Like that environment is
conducive to people, you know, getting married, having the faith,
having children, having the faith passed on. And you know,
us extras, right, we're the middle of children in history
where you know, last key kids, a lot of us,
you know, didn't get married or got divorced and didn't
have kids, and and and this is you know, like
structural problems. You know, like, eh, you know, if you
individually don't get married, that's one thing. But when like
you and all your best friends from high school and
half the guys you knew in college all didn't get married,
there's a problem, right, And d James Kennedy for all
of his faults, you know, PC USA, right, Political Great
Church USA, there's at least an attempt by these folks
to like create their own media and try and like
live in a countercultural way that Catholic's only just now
recently started doing.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: You know, Christian radio was a thing going back to
the fifties, and you know Cathol podcast, Cathol, that's only
been the last twenty years that we've tried to create
our own I guess you need to beat tens thirty
years old now.
Speaker 2: But you know, like.
Speaker 1: An attempt to create our own separate ecosystem has only
really kind of been made in the last thirty years
after the asteroid hit, after it was too late, and
it's like, well, if you if you'd kept that up,
then maybe you'd have some success. But right now, Wow,
you know, the average person in the pews has no
idea what they're supposed to believe. They don't believe in
the reality of the Euchrist, they don't believe the church's
teachings on things like contraception, and you wonder why, like
the pews are empty and people aren't getting married in
the church. It's like, well, most of the people you're
dealing with don't actually know what they're talking about. And
because they haven't been taught. It's not you know, I mean,
you have all some of all human knowledge in your pocket,
but they don't even know where to start looking.
Speaker 2: Well, as we've we've talked about previously. You know, Western
civilization had to undergo it's it's trials and its judgment
through Nuremberg. Uh, you know, through the Nuremberg Trials. And
the same thing was Vatican too. For the Catholic Church.
If there was one yeah, same people did it too. Ye,
same people are responsible. But if there was one institution
that you thought would survive all of this, it would
have been if you would look back through history, if
you look back through our history, you would think it
would be the Catholic Church. And I think it, just
like everything else, it's fallen to modernity. And you is
it O'Sullivan's love. Something is not explicitly right wing, it
will go left wing. I mean, I don't even know
if you want to call the Catholic Church right wing,
you just want to call it Catholic. But as far
as like traditional you're if something is not going to
remain explicitly so, it's going to it's going to veer
into modernity. And that's what we saw. And you know,
some people could argue, oh, well, you know, having your
own network and your radio stations and this is you know,
is that's just embracing modernity. No, it's just embracing tools.
You know, It's no different than using a dish washer
instead of washing, you know, washing dishes by hand.
Speaker 1: It's no different than than publishing the Catechism of Council
of Trent with you know, printing it right. It's just
using the tool. You know, Maximilian Colby used radio to
evangelize and that was this Conquest. One of Robert Conquest
laws of politics is that which is not explicitly right
wing will eventually become left wing. And it nevertheless, you know,
Vatican two got is Nurnberg because fundamentally right. And this
is this is one thing where kind of the liberals
are more right than the than the conservatives. Suppose of
the traditionalists, the conservatives seek to conserve the post war consensus,
and they don't understand that the post war consensus is
inherently liberal and contradictory to the Catholic faith and and
to political stability, and to family life and to everything right.
Liberalism as such is hostile to Catholicism. And John Henry
Newman talked about it, you don't like one hundred and
thirty years ago, like you can be a liberal or
you can be a Christian, but you can't be both,
Like it is impossible because the nature of big l liberalism.
Not talking about you know, the Democratic Party or Libertards
or anything.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: Political The political philosophy of liberalism is that man is
necessarily by his nature free, and that things that impinge
on that freedom are bad. You know, James Lindsay, for
all of his many, many, many faults, is completely correct
in that like traditional Catholicism and James Lindsay do not
get along. Now, that just makes him a leftist and
an enemy of all good order and decent pinking people.
But that's that's not He's not wrong that, like traditional
Catholicism and like his his classical liberalism are in conflict.
That might be the one thing he's right about.
Speaker 2: Well, I think one of the things that I see
is I'm reading a book right now on the show
called The Demon and Democracy of I write, writes gard Gudko,
and he's he's Polish, and I've looked. He doesn't advertise
what he is, doesn't sound as wiki, but I think
that he is Roman Catholic from things I've seen. From
the things I've seen.
Speaker 1: And.
Speaker 2: What he talks about in that book is is that
one of the hallmarks of liberalism is that you're constantly
going somewhere on a path. It's on a path to
It's just like communism. It has Communism is on its
path and it has this this end goal, and liberalism
has this end goal too. And the end goal is
not traditionalism. It's not the Catholic Church, and it's the enemy.
Because if you're on a path going somewhere and you're
constantly veering off here, veering off there, which is what
we see liberalism do, that's how you can veer off
into transgenderism and race communism and all of these things.
The church is supposed to be the rock. It's supposed
to be it's supposed to be Peter, it's not supposed
to move anywhere. And what you've seen is when you
a dogma of the changes is useless, right you. What
you see is you see once something someone embraces modernity,
now it's no longer that rock. It's no longer that
foundation upon which people can run to when there's a storm,
to hold on to and not be thrown to and fro,
especially in their faith, but especially when when the culture
is becoming what it is. And yeah, as soon as
you as soon as you decide that liberalism that you're
going to embrace modernity, which is liberalism. Now you're on
a path somewhere. And if you're on a path, and
you were, you were this rock that didn't move, and
now you're rolling, well, obviously you're going to be picking
things up along the way. And where do you stop? Yeah,
I mean there's no path. And who says this has
no endpoint? Because one of the goals of progressivism and
which I don't consider to be any different than liberalism,
is you're you're going to this perfection. But we know
that you can never reach this perfection. So basically what
it turns into is it turns into a tool for deviants.
It turns into a tool where deviants can control people
who have a historical outlook, who are trying to live historically,
and you're telling them, no, you're wrong. You have to
get on this ride with us. And if you don't
get on this ride with us and take on every
you know, every you know, piece of rotten moss that
this this rolling rock is h is picking up. Well,
there's something wrong with you. And so I mean to me,
all of this is spiritual, All this is spiritual warfare.
So I can say that, oh, well, you know, the
church is trying to go along and just you know,
but no, you can't make excuses for this. You can't.
There's no you know, when he said upon this rock,
I will build my church, that rock was a solid foundation.
There's no solid foundation anymore. So is there is there
any Why are people confused that there are rainbow flags
outside uh yeah, outside of of Catholic churches.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that there's a church in New York, Jesuit Church
in New York just recently, like celebrating a mass for
you know, perverse right, like this is of course completely
unacceptable and you know, the teleology of liberalism. For those
of you who don't know teleology is the study of ends,
like what are what are the purposes of things? And
the teleology of liberalism is to basically turn everyone into
their own Satan, because non servium is the whole of
the of the credo of liberalism. You know, I will
not serve the king, I willant to serve my family,
I willant serve I won't do my duty right effectively,
or I have no duties or any duties that have
been imposed on your ipso facto immoral because they limit
my freedom, well freedom to do what like take a
lot of drugs, Like it's that freedom.
Speaker 2: I mean that, you know, that is what you know
when you know, we both called ourselves libertarians at one time,
and that's really what it is. You know. Somebody just
on Twitter today, somebody was I saw a couple of
libertarians having a conversation and one said in the conversation,
I guess to make a point, a libertarian says, does
does a parent have a duty to make sure that
their child is taken care of and fed? Yeah? And
my response to it was, Okay, so what's the next question,
what if that child consents? Yeah, are you retarded?
Speaker 1: Like? Yes, of course they do, Like that's that's like
the very definition of paranoid.
Speaker 2: You got to make sure your kids eat. Yeah, I'm
not I'm not a parent. I think that that should
be for anybody who's never heard me before. I'm not
a parent. Jerome and I have talked off air before
about why that is. I don't know that it's it's
a good excuse, but you know it is the reason
why why I never had children. But I mean, I'm
also not one of those people who was ever like, no,
you should never have children. Don't bring a child into
this world. Maybe I've said that in the past, maybe
when I was a libertarian and I was at my
most black pilled, I was like, why would anybody bring
a child into this world? But you know, I've repented
of all those sins. The sins of libertarianism are are long.
The list is long, and they must all be repented of.
Speaker 1: And and because there's many, many, solid, wonderful people who
are Catholic who identify as libertarian or used to identify
as libertarian, I wouldn't be here today without stalwart, wonderful
people like Tom Woods or Lou Rockwell, who are both
faithful Catholics. The instrumental in me being here today. Tom
Woods's book How the Catholic Church Built Western Civilization, absolutely
I must read. You got to pick it up, you
got to read it, get a hard copy. It's an
outstanding book. But him and Chris Farrar's book on the
Changes in the Church, absolutely must read. Jeffrey Tucker's writing
in Latin Mass magazine and elsewhere, you know, instrumental in
me getting here in all three, you know, but ultimately,
and I want to make a distinction here between Saint
Thomas's you know, in essence is good, good thinking is
proper distinctions. Hoppying libertarians are people who wanted to get
the total state off of their back so that they
could live their lives. And I think that they ultimately
come up to that, you know, contradiction between total freedom
and the necessity of submitting yourself to God but wanting
our awful satanic Nuremberg regime off your back so that
you could actually live, live historically and live a Catholic
life is one thing. It's the people who think that,
you know, some total libertarianism is like weed and abortion
are are the problem right now. If every if every
libertarian was like a Tom Woods type libertarian who just
was like personally an outstanding person and just didn't want
the state bothering him, so he could be that sort
of what of a person that he is. You could
make a case for libertarians and being a useful good thing,
but at the moment, right, like, you know, the libertarian
presidential candidate is a drug taking, you know, pervert whose
chief concern wasn't like the destruction of liberty and private
property and you know twenty twenty, but rather that like
were mean to people who like put on dudes who
put on dresses, and we can't tell them that they
can't go to the bathroom with like thirteen year old girls, right,
that is a religious commitment. When you're saying freedom requires
fathers to let a dude in address who has really
weird fetishes use the same restroom as your preteen daughter,
like that, that's not freedom anymore. That's just part of
my language. But fucking weird, Like there's no defending that.
And the decent people I have mentioned don't defend that.
They say, dude, this is crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well yeah, And whenever you talk about a group
and you generalize, there's going to be outliers there, you know,
and Tom Woods is a really good friend of mine,
and he is a good example of what you're what
you're talking about, but the really attacking the path that
we've gone on as a society and what we've been
forced into. And believe me, there's we have been forced
into it the after World War Two.
Speaker 1: You just.
Speaker 2: It is looked down upon. It is they will make
a target of you, whether through the I R S,
whether through CPS, if you are a you know, if
you are a hardcore Catholic. And you know, we've seen
that there's a lady in jail right now that I
hope Trump is going to is going to pardon and
get out of jail or do whatever he needs to
do to get her out, who was just praying the
Rosary at an abortion clinic and our Jewish Attorney general
targeted her like he's targeted so many Catholics since he's
been in office.
Speaker 1: Right, And the father used the face act rate like
an insane person assaulted his son, and he you know,
stopped the guy from assulting his son and then got
thrown in jail or I had you know, you know,
a bunch of heavily armed FBI agents like Storm's house
point guns at his kids, and right, you can't. You know,
AA is probably the only spiritually useful thing in the
United States of America has ever contributed to world culture.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: And step one is admitting you got a problem. And
step one for any coaching analysis of the Nurburg regime
is who's in charge.
Speaker 2: It's not.
Speaker 1: Catholics, it's not Christians. Right, this obsession with minority rights,
we always have to protect the minority, Well, who's the minority?
And there's it's never the obverse of like, what about
the rights of the majority to like live in a
functional society. It's like, no, we have to we have
to make accommodations for drug addicts and perverts and you know,
mentally unstable people and people who can't read and people
who like whatever. There's always like, you know, the the
Z man will make the joke of you know, like
you know, left handed Ginger Koreans in wheelchairs, right, and
why like does that person even exist? Like if that
person is you know, the progressive stack says, this person
has to be the first person that we care about.
It's like, what about all the other people who deserve
to live in a functioning society? What about the vast
majority of people who just want to like have their
taxes lowered, Have you know, roads don't look like the
dark side of the moon, and have their schools that
they're paying for be like something that could actually send
their kids do safely.
Speaker 2: Do they have any rights? Well not.
Speaker 1: Not.
Speaker 2: If the minority says, you know, you being.
Speaker 1: Functional is oppressing me, well they're always going to say
that because to them, normality is oppression. Right, Expecting women
to get married and have kids is oppression because you know,
zyr is a lesbian and she doesn't want to get
married to a dude.
Speaker 2: No, never mind.
Speaker 1: And if you just stopped, you know, entertaining this nonsense,
they find that they were happily married and had a
couple of kids. And if you just didn't let them
have the option of this being a thing right that
that they'd be happy and and functional. And you know,
freedom to destroy yourself is not freedom. And that's what
libertarianism or are modern Nuremberg regime says, is freedom to
destroy yourself as the ultimate freedom. Unless you can destroy yourself,
you're not free. Right, the positive moral good of of
you know, seeking Canadian health care right like of like
the Canadian state or you know, the state of Oregon
or whatever. Like killing yourself is freedom, but like we
have no duty as the state of Oregon or the
state of you know, the nation of Canada or national
government of Canada to actually provide a stable enough society
where you don't where like you don't feel like you have.
Speaker 2: To kill yourself. Well, you know, it's not only all that,
but if you're somebody who decides that they're going to
take it upon themselves to promote that people don't destroy themselves,
that is you're scene as a you're the next Hitler,
You're the net You're a fascist, You're you're somebody who
wants to overthrow the order quote unquote order. If I
love that. They they call it the post war or
you know, the post war order. There's no order to
this that you are. You're not allowed to do that.
You're you're not You have to hide, you have to
pretend you're doing something else. You have to you have
to be somebody who becomes somebody who you're doing something outwardly,
you almost have to make it seem as if you're
doing something different than what you're actually doing, something that's
more in line with what the order is now, and
that's that's ironically what they call liberty is. You know,
we have liberty now people that are free to do
what they want. Well, you're free to do what you
want as long as you're destroying the individual, as long
as you're destroying yourself, and as long as you're promoting
destroying other people. But as soon as you try to
stop people from destroying themselves, to stop people from you know,
worshiping Satan, worshiping demons, communing with demons, then you become
the person who is Now you're the bad guy. Now
you're you're the threat to civilization.
Speaker 1: Right then we have to put you on a a
banking latch list and take take away your YouTube monetization.
Speaker 2: I know people who figured this out years ago, you know,
fifteen years ago, I was I was in Skype groups
with people who call themselves sovereign citizens, and these were
people who are like, we want to go totally off
the grid. We don't want anything to do with with
this anymore. We're going to run generators. We're not even
going to take the power. We're going to use our
own power. We're going to generate our own power. We're
not going to pay a government agency, which is basically
what most power companies and gas companies are, or government agency.
Speaker 1: It's no such thing as like a private utility company. Orry,
It's yeah, mere idea is absurd.
Speaker 2: Like no, And I know people who did that and
were kidnapped out of their house, thrown into mental asylums
and pumped full of drugs. I know people that personally
that that happened to where they became wards of the
state and they were sedated and medicated because they decided
they didn't want to be a part of this anymore. Right, Well,
obviously they're mentally ill, right, yeah, I mean if you
don't want to, if you're not worshiping sodomy, porn, pornography,
you know, the government this you know this regime, transgender
you're there, obviously is something wrong with you.
Speaker 1: Well, and this is this is one of those notions,
right that libertarianism ultimately fails just right, like because the
government's always going to throw crazy people in jail, like
that's just what it's going to do. Now, the question
is is are the crazy people the people who want
like want to live in a woods with their own
solar panels, or is the crazy people like Bruce Jenner.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which which who destroy other people because they are
seen in public and they are not only are they legitimized,
but they're champion Yeah. And you wonder how you know
your child is questioning? How a child can question whether
they're a boy or a girl. And it's because instead
of you know, the heroes of the faith or you know,
Padre Pio or someone like that being elevated and being
talked about and being championed, which even the church doesn't
do not anymore. No, Yeah, then well what do you
what do you expect? What do you Well, we need
to minister to these people. We need to That's why
we put the you know, that's why we put the
rainbow flag outs. We can get these people in there.
We could know. You're not trying to get them. You're
not trying to get them to change. You're just trying
to get them to be members. You're just and what
do they end up doing? When you let those people
in the door, They always end up changing.
Speaker 1: You, right, you never change them ever, because because you
if you buy the premises. You know, I've been around
a long time and you and I both have friends
that were kind of the red pill game guys from
ten and fifteen years ago, and a lot of that
was used towards evil ends. Right, Just notching up like
figuring out girls and then using that knowledge to sleep
with a lot of women was immoral. It still is immoral.
But one of the things that they've said that I
think is absolutely true is that if you buy the frame,
you buy the farm. And if you let the enemy,
you know, capital e in this case, right like if
you let Satan set the terms of debate, if you're
playing on Satan's field, you're gonna lose all the time.
And effectively, the post Nuremberger's gam liberalism is playing on
Satan's using Satan's rules. You're you know, if you're not
willing to say X is good and why is bad?
And you know the people who promote why you know,
error has no rights if you think that, you know,
Bruce Jenner is a beautiful woman, like I am sorry,
you weren't mistaken, And you don't have a right to
spout that nonsense in public because it destroys society if
you do.
Speaker 2: It well, and if you don't have if you don't
have a church that's willing to that has wealth that
has status that is powerful if they want to use
that power. If you're not willing, if they're not willing
to stand up and to fight against this, it's very
easy to understand how people can become black built because
you look, you look around, and you're like, okay, who's
fighting against this Donald Trump? And then peopleeople are like, well,
we just go and we vote for Donald Trump and everything.
Donald Trump is a post Nuremberg Civil Rights Act liberal. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I mean, like you just appointed Kimberly Guilfoyle, right
the like twice divorce, broke off in engagement with Don Junior,
like single mom, like plastic surgery at the wazoo, Like
he just implanted her ambassador to Greece. Like this is
not like one of the oldest Christian civilizations on the planet, right, yeah, right,
Like you know, the Greeks became Christians and gave us
the Church Fathers. You know, the Aztecs became Christian and
gave us you know, after five hundred years of being Christian,
the Greeks gave us the Church Fathers almost in your entirety, right,
they gave us the translation of the scriptures, and you know,
five hundred years of the estets. Being Catholic, We've gotten
our lady got to libate tattoos and like candles, you know,
like this is things are different, not all things are
the same, novel. People are the same. You know, some
people are tall, some people are short, some people are smart,
some people are stupid. That's just the nature of reality.
And anybody that wants to sit there and say that,
you know, the point of the show is that like
reality exists, right, and this Neuronberg regime effectively it's one
like unbreakable commandment. Is that equality uber alis, right, And
that doesn't mean you know, that means they'll you know,
Staples tilts to a short guy's feet and cut a
tall guy off at the knees, and you know, like
do Island of Doctor Moreau type stuff to make everyone
the same height. It's like, well, that's monstrous and evil
and wrong. Well not in percive equality, isn't because that's
that's the one true that that's the you know, the
one real god we have is and of course that
that leads to a terrible society, right well, and that's
and the church goes right along with it, right because
place Yeah, well no, because because it's following the world's footsteps.
Speaker 2: You know. One of the reasons why I said, one
of the reasons why I left just became very quickly
disillusioned with Protestantism is because of the splinters. Because it
is a protest it's one gigantic protest and I understand
like the history of it. You know, I tried to
go to confessional churches. Even when I went to a
Baptist church, it was a Baptist church. It went by
the sixteen eighty nine confession. And that's great. You're saying, Okay,
this is what we believe. We have this confession, we
have the Westminster Confession of Faith, we have the sixteen
eighty nine Baptist Confession. Okay, But you're also saying that
people can read the Bible and interpret it for themselves.
So what really, what is that confession for other than
it's a guideline. It's this is what gives us our legitimacy.
Yet we have people in there who can believe whatever
they want and be feminists and promote abortion things like that,
and that. It's the same problem with the Catholic Church
is there was a time in the Catholic Church where
if you stepped out of line. If you went against
the Catechism, what the church believed, you were pulled aside
and you went through discipline. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well and look at mister Williamson, right, the one, the
one bishop who's been like no is you know he
he he questioned the official religion of the Nuremberg regime, right,
and that's that's unacceptable. But Nancy Pelosi can be like, nah,
Archbishop of Corleone, he's not going to do anything. I'm
going to receive community. It's my faith. He can't tell
me what to do. So like, okay, Well, me and
Nancy Pelosi agree that, you know, the bishops are spyless
worms and they will never do anything like like, you know,
here's this woman who's who's a obstinate is you know,
like she's a public manifest heretic. And these guys don't
have the stones to do anything, but they'll go after
you know, podcasters who who think that bagels aren't our
friends because they believe what the Nuremberg machine teaches. They're
not Catholics.
Speaker 2: You know, when I was in the Baptist churchard remember
being with a friend of mine, hanging out with a
friend of mine, who was more true.
Speaker 1: He was.
Speaker 2: He liked the idea of home churches. He believed that
the New Testament taught that, oh they met in homes,
and you know, the supper was not the Eucharist. It
was like a full meal, and you sat around having
a full meal. And I remember him standing there one
day and going, look look at the way this church
is set up. This is set up really no different
than the Catholic Church. There's a electern there, you know,
we just call it electurn and they call it an
alter and everything. And it occurred to me as he's
saying this, I'm going that you didn't copy the Catholic Church.
The Catholic Church copied this, because really the Novasorto Mass
is really just a Protestant like a take on the
Protestant Mass, the Protestant service.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean like it's highly pro Taviani talked about it.
Who was the head of the Holy Office right in
the Taviani intervention, like like and this was this was
this was the this wasn't this was the pre Novasorto Mass, Like,
this wasn't even it was highly higher Protestant eyes. I
would strongly recommend everyone pick up if you don't have
a physical copy, get one of Father, the late Father
Anthony Chicato, this book work of human hands, like this,
This mass that you go to every Sunday is more
Protestant than not. And it hasn't led to it's led
to Catholics becoming Protestants, leaving the Catholic faith and becoming Protestant,
far far more than vice versa.
Speaker 2: You know what's interesting is there's a Novasorto church I
go to here, and the priest there is actually a
former Protestant preacher, and the one of the Catholic podcasts
I I watch, I listen to all the time as
Shameless Popery with Joe Heshmeier, and I believe he's a
former Protestant too. And I think the thing that gives
me some hope is that you do see more people
coming to the Catholic church, but also you see more
people coming to the Catholic Church and go, Okay, where
can I where can I attend a traditional Latin mass? Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, a traditional lead mass is growing with leaps
and bounds, despite all the restrictions and tradition, tradition and
custody and the and the attacks and everything else do
you know.
Speaker 2: What demographic right now is having more is averaging more
kids than any other, having more children than any other
in the world. The Amish traditional Latin Mass attendees.
Speaker 1: Well that's true. I mean at my parish. You know,
my wife uh has earned her Mother's Cross. But we
have a small family, you know, because this real the
silver Weather's Cross.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm not.
Speaker 1: Unusual for people to have ten twelve more children.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you do see a lot. I think there is
a lot of hope there.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I was Stormy and I Stormy Waters. For people who've
never heard my show should go listen to h I'm
going to drop an episode with him on Sunday, which
is probably going to get us in trouble. Two hours
and twenty minutes of talking about the assassination of this
United Healthcare demon, this path in the past.
Speaker 1: All I have to say about that is is that injustice,
the wager and oppression of the poor orson as they
cry to Heaven for vengeance. And yeah, that's all I
had to say about that.
Speaker 2: Stormy and I have been we've been talking about like
the Rosary and the power and he he goes back
into when he studied a lot of Catholic mysticism of
the past, so and not nearly as much as I have,
I mean, I mean more than I have, I haven't
nearly as much. But you know one thing that I
have taken to strongly is is the Rosary every single day.
And I see a change in my life since. And
I've been talking to him and you know, we h
what we're what we're starting to understand and what we
want to start talking about more is the fact that
this war that's happening, it's it's it's an eternal war.
Spiritual warfare is eternal until until Christ comes back. Is
you We've been given weapons to use in this and
people have completely ignored him. People have completely overlooked them.
Speaker 1: That's right, Yeah, the Padre Pio and they bring me
my weapon, and he would you know, it's Rosary, right,
And like the scriptures itself say, you know that the
Devil's is like a roaring lion probably about the world,
seeking this ruin of souls. And if you've ever been
to a zoo and seen an African lion up close,
they're pretty scary. The Eurasian lion was bigger the lion
that was that was mentioned in the scriptures that would
that would haunt the mountains of Anatolia and Greece and
all these other places, like like even bigger and scarier,
you know, eight feet long, one thousand, you know, eight
hundred pounds of muscle, with teeth like steak knives and
claws like a razors. Just you have no idea how
scary that sort of thing is until you've actually seen it.
And if you've ever been out in the wild, right
and running into a big scary animal, like there's a
it just grabs you by the spine and like and
you know, fortunately, whenever I've been in that sort of situation,
I was with lots of people when we had firearms.
But imagine like you know, you're by yourself and all
you've got is maybe a sling. Right, it's scary, So
you know, it's it's meant to be scary. It's it
is scary like like hell is forever.
Speaker 2: It's real.
Speaker 1: People go there, according to you know, the tradition of
the church and things like our Lady of Fatima, lots
of people go there like snowstorm, like snow in a wizzard.
What the children of Fatima said, that's that's like what
you know, soul's falling into hell is like, and.
Speaker 2: You know it.
Speaker 1: If you you're pastor or your bishop or your other authorities,
don't take it seriously. That doesn't mean you shouldn't. And
they think that that's a very important thing. One of
the reasons this show gout launch is I want to
give Catholic men in particular a chance to engage with
the reality and deal with the world as it actually is,
so that they can actually save their souls and deal
with the deal with the problems of the world as
it actually is. Well, yeah, and yeah, here's the thing is,
I've been I've been on a lot of sides.
Speaker 2: Of these things. I've been a libertarian. I am what
I am now, which I don't even know how to
even label what I am now. I'm I'm I'm I'm
almost going back to my libertarianism where I'm like, I'm
neither left nor right. I think at this point it's
just like, as far as politics go, I'm just a
nationalist and that's it. It's like, there's a there's a
people in the nations of people, and you know, we
have to find our people figure out who are people are.
But you know, I also have I've been a Protestant,
I've gone to a Protestant church. But you know, I
was born Catholic and raised Catholic and fell away like
so many and come back and repent it.
Speaker 1: And I.
Speaker 2: One of the things that one of the problems I've
had watching a lot of a lot of Catholics even
is watching them being pulled away from the faith because
of politics. And this can happen at any time in history.
At any time in history, things can get really get
really bad as far as the culture and people tend
to and a lot of times a church would follow
with it. I forget who said it this morning. I
think it was Greg Hood said on Twitter somebody said
that this is pop friends, this is the worst worst
pope ever, And Greg Hood's like that he's not even
in like the bottom ten.
Speaker 1: And we have to remember that what's most important, well,
I mean in terms of teaching, as like as a person,
maybe like as pope pope. I think he's probably the worst,
if he even is. I'm of the opinion that he's
probably an anti pope because his election was illegitimate for
multiple reasons. But that's a separate discussion. And Greg Hood
is I think one of the most knowledgeable people out
there in the world right now. You know, he certainly
he's no Alexander the sixth in terms of his personal conduct.
They don't think.
Speaker 2: But what.
Speaker 1: I think is important is not just the like, oh,
look at how bad things are, or look at you know,
politically speaking, this is this is why historical knowledge is
so important. You can look back at the pornocracy when
you know, Peter Damien wrote his book of Gomora against
like you know, perverts and clerical robes, like certain problems
just eternal, you know, occur over and over again, right
and rather than abandoned ship because the captain is bad,
we can't do anything about that. You know, our station
in life is to do the best we can in
the place that God has put us. And if that means,
like as a dad, you have to ignore or like
everything the pope says and just be like, okay, well
we're just gonna gorow to the old mass and say
the Rosary, like that's what you can do, right.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that's exactly what I was going to say.
Is politically, you know, there's a lot of us who
are like, you know, what Thomas, what Thomas talks about
we need to go back to living historically, and by
living historically, it means that you're abandoning this whole idea
of progress, this whole idea of liberalism. And the same
goes with the church. You just have to you have
to find know the truth and live the truth. And
you can do that. And you can not only do
that in the worst times of trouble, but you have
to do that in the worst times of trouble. That
is your that is your duty. Your duty is not
only to survive through those times, but to thrive through
those times and to teach others. And you know, I
think that's where I've failed is I've done a good
job of talking to people politically about you know, where
we are and maybe what their thought process should be
is about as far as politics goes. But I don't
think I've done as good a job when it comes
to faith, because I know there are a lot of
good Protestants out there. I think Corey Mahler is a
like a perfect example of it, someone who is, you know,
who's a soldier against fighting against the same evil we're
fighting against. But you know, we believe as Catholics that
we are in we have the truth, and so does he,
and and he's like and he's wrong, and he thinks
we're wrong. But nevertheless, and this is why I've actually,
I've actually interviewed mister Mallard. They'll be dropping in an
interview with him shortly. I guess.
Speaker 1: The important thing isn't right right now at our present moment,
right the satirial logical debates, the scriptural the solo scripture debate, right,
like all those arguments they've been had a thousand times,
right between the Catholics, the Livemans, the reform of the
Eastern Orthodox, like like those arguments are almost set in stone, right,
like you believe what you're going to believe. What is
more important? I think at this particular time, I don't
want to discount in any of those things. But our
mutual friends Jason Mironchuk's put it this way, like you
don't live in a civilization anymore, and I think the
important thing for all of us to do is to
re establish a Christian civilization. And then once that's established,
in the baseline thing that was the reality in Europe
for you know, to most of the last two thousand years,
that this was Christendom from you know, Vladivostok to Chicago,
Right that that re establishing that is far more important
than like owning like a reform guy on his arguments
about Sola scriptura. I think those are wrong, But me
saying like like mean and Nana, you're wrong is way
less important than like, how about we make sure that
there's no dudes in the middle school girls locker room
as a first step, and then we'll move to you know,
whatever arguments we need to have about faith versus works,
and you know, the Epistle to James and what what
have you.
Speaker 2: And we have historic you know, we have historic precedent
for you know, when those are when those discussions don't
bear any fruit, we have the historic precedent for separation,
which is, you know, it could be political as well.
So yeah, that's not I'm I definitely am not wanting
to fight a crusade against against Protestants or Orthodox or anyone.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Buck Buck Johnson's a really good friend of mine, and
we were hanging out in Texas a couple of months ago,
and we just, you know, we're like this, this the
enemy is not us. The enemy is out there, and
you know, we really need to be arm in arm
to fight against this enemy and then you know, after
that we'll figure you know, we can figure it out.
But I mean, we're the enemy right now. Not only
is attacking our body and attacking us politically, but it's
attacking our spirit and our souls. And that's one thing
that people just don't get that if that's the one thing,
you know, that's one of the reasons why, you know,
I do appreciate the libertarians who are Catholics and you
know who are you know, are are Christian and understand
that I have a hard time. I would have a
hard time calling myself a libertarian even if I still
had inclinations towards that belief system, you know, that political system,
just because of the fact that all of these leaders
can be great leaders. But when you encounter the average libertarian,
they're atheist, anti anti family, anti hierarchy, anti truth, and
most and most and know God's no masters, right like yeah,
and there and most of them are liberals. They they're
liberals in the sense that they have no found they
believe that a political ideology, they believe that economics, they
believe that private property rights, they believe that don't hurt people,
and don't take their stuff replaces God's kingdom and it
just doesn't.
Speaker 1: No, you know. And in order to have like a
Libertinian society, you would need like an entire society of
like Lou Rockwells, yeah, right, like like personally very conservative
family guys who were been married for years and have
like his biggest like the biggest thing is like he
wants to build a good society for his grandkids and
his great grand kids.
Speaker 2: Like that's.
Speaker 1: Or like a Ron Paul right, you know, I'm sure
you've seen that, like the Christmas photo of like Ron
and Carol and like they're huge family and all their
grandkids and great grand kids like that. That's what you
would need, is like that's where it's him and his
lovely wife who they've been married, I think over fifty years,
and they had a bunch of kids, and all their
kids had a bunch of kids, and and all their
kids kids had kids, and so there's like babies and
children and grandchildren and like you know.
Speaker 2: They all look alike. They all look alike. Yeah, you
can tell.
Speaker 1: Like there's there's like, you know, an eight year old
kid who's got like the same impish grade as his
grandpa just sitting there like smiling and like I'm with
my grandpa and all my aunts and uncles and my cousins,
and it's cool. That's like, you want to build a
libertarian society, a Christian society, That's that's what you'd have
to do. You'd have to make that normative. But you know,
for all that, I no longer consider myself a libertarian.
I still an unambassad admirer of doctor Paul and personally
and like you know, politically I can say he's a
man of principle. But that's what you would need that
to be the norm, right, And the trouble is, of course,
that that that's not the norm. Like, like Ron Paul
is an outstanding human being, right, you know, he says
like he's interested in the free market. Well then why
did he deliver all those babies for free?
Speaker 2: Oh it wasn't free. I think he charged four dollars
or something like that.
Speaker 1: Right, like four dollars or a dozen eggs, right, Like
you know, like this, Well he did that because he's
a because he's a good Christian man.
Speaker 2: That's why he did it.
Speaker 1: That's that's why Ron Paul was able to make liberty
in his works because he is personally an outstanding person
and a good Christian who loves his neighbors. I was
on My Buddy Tommy Simmons show, I think it was
actually dropping today, and he's still at the Libertarian Institute
and he wanted me to come on because I got
into it with a few libertarians on Twitter and he's like, oh, well,
you know, why don't you come on and you know,
talk about where you're at and everything. And one of
the things I told him was, I said, look, if
you ever got to a libertarian society, if they're ever
like popped up this like pocket of libertarianism, you really
need to understand that culturally, it's going to look exactly
like what I want, Like the society that I want.
Everybody's gonna have a common language, everyone's gonna have a
common skin color, everyone's probably gonna have a common religion.
Everyone's it's going to be it's going to be a monoculture.
And that's one thing that people can't under People don't understand.
Speaker 2: I told him. I said, you just cannot, you know.
And one of the things Corey said, Corey Miller said
on a recent podcast, because people will be like, well,
you know in the church, when people come into the church,
they're the same, and you know they all you know,
this is something that you know Michael Jones talks about,
which is, you know, I love the man. What he's
done to expose our oldest enemy is undeniable. But we're
just not all the same. You know what mister Mahler
said was he said, when you have a church, when
you have a church in Europe, the church needs to
be run by Europeans. He goes, But if you set
up a church in like Namibia, that church needs to
be run by Europeans. They're not They're not going to
be capable of the faith on their own.
Speaker 1: Yeah, look about Archbishop left to say, and he was.
He was effectively the archbishop of all of French speaking
West Africa and the superior general of the Holy ghost Fathers,
who were primarily responsible for evangelizing West Africa. So everything
good that's happened in Africa for the last fifty years
in West Africa, French speaking West Africa is either directly
or indirectly. You know, the responsibility of one Archbishop marcell F.
Speaker 2: F And you know, it's been my.
Speaker 1: Experience with actual African Christians you know when you live
in royal business areas, right like you get Nigerians, then
they will be like Jerome. You must understand. Demons are everywhere.
Demons haunt Africa like mosquitoes haunt moose in summer time.
Speaker 2: Or deer.
Speaker 1: They are everywhere. They are like flies on horsepoop. Demons everywhere,
ancestor demons, local demons, family, demons, tribe demons. They are everywhere,
and we cannot fight them ourselves. We need the white
man and his Christianity to get rid of the demons.
Conversation I've I've straight up had like like like sitting
in Houston and talking to some Nigerian guys in the
oil business and demons everywhere. You must understand demons.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have talked to other Catholics who talk about
someone like Bishop Sarah and talk about how great he
is and how you know, just how based he is,
And I'm like, that didn't happen in a vacuum. It's
not like he discovered the Catholic faith and just studied
on his own and that's the way he became. No Europeans.
White Europeans went there, went to Africa and taught and
demanded of and said this is the way we do things.
You do not deviate in one direction or the other.
And that's it. And that because we're in this this
liberal order, this Nuremberg regime, that's unacceptable to them. You're
not allowed to have truth. Truth is whatever we say,
whatever they say, it is from week to week. And
all you have to do is they're apparatrics in the
news will tell you what the truth is that week,
and what morality is that week quote unquote morality.
Speaker 1: Right, because because Barack Obama and you know, Hillary Clinton
when they first ran for president, were anti gay marriage.
But now right if you say, well if very into
gay marriage, you're a helpless bigot, what like Barack Obama
and Bill Clinton? Yeah? Right, like and what's astonishing? Right,
And this is one of those things that just proves
most people, you know, it's it's downstream from power. The
ridiculous Supreme Court decision that said, like two dudes is
the same as as married people with children. Right, Oh,
I'll never accept that. That's completely like your methodistritch just
complete accepts it. Sound you know, where where's the where's
the contra mundum? You know, church saying saying you know
that it's willing to stand and say this is ridiculous, right,
because you know, if you don't have gay marriage so
called right, you don't end up with transgender.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: And you can draw a pretty pretty fair line from
contraception to abortion where you know, pornography to contraception to abortion,
from thence to feminism and acceptance of homosexuality and homosexual
you know, homosexual soudomantic marriage quote unquote, and from there
to transagorism. It's a pretty straight line actually, if you
think about it. More than a couple of seconds of
human IVD unfortunately proved right on this point. And you know,
any libertarian social order, right, most ninety percent of libertarians
will be like, well, of course you it's a free
expression to publish.
Speaker 2: You know, love is love. You can love anyone you want,
right the First Amendment. Bro, you can't tell them that
they can't sell pornography, that the pornographer should be in jail. Well, well, really,
this is just what you're talking about. Is what they
call a fallacy, the slippery slope. And I explained it earlier.
I explained earlier why the slippery slope isn't a fallacy
because we're meant to our faith. Our truth is based
upon a rock, not built on sand, not a foundation
built on sand, but built on a rock. And as
soon as you start rolling that rock, as soon as
you start saying, okay, well we can go this way,
well we can do this, it all just flows from
it your where formerly you stood for something, where people were.
And this is another thing that most people don't get
because of modernity, because of this post Nuremberg order, is
the average person ninety nine percent of the people in
the world wants stability. Deep down inside, they know they
want stability, they know they want the truth, they know
they just want that one thing that they can gravitate
to that grounds them. They're not allowed to happen anymore.
And everything that would possibly be that must be destroyed
exactly right.
Speaker 1: And that thing that must be destroyed because it is
a because it doesn't move right, then you have to
destroy it. And I know that you've talked quite a
bit about Spain and the civil war in Spain and
what had happened previously, and I would strongly recommend to everybody,
especially I think all Calyaks should be familiar with the
confidence Spain, because I think it's it's a microcosm of
all our problems to day, I really do. But in particular,
you're reading of the great Catholic who Warren Carroll, who
founded Christenden College in front Royal Virginia. He wrote a
wonderful book. Uh, last said last crusaid, Yeah, and you
did a reading of that on your show. That that
is just wonderful. Everyone should check that out. The most
emotional thing I've ever done. Oh dude, I can't even
talk about this because I was without crying. He's right there.
You just just heard me start to tear up because
it It just moves me every time. But when you
understand that the post vat I can do. Church in Spain,
the church was the rock that stood against the tide
of of Red Bolshevism, and the church is what allowed
those those great heroes of the Alcazara and elsewhere to
plant their feet firmly and resist. And that therefore that
church was broken. And now you see in Spain, you know,
they have no children, no one goes to Mass anymore.
And the Spain that brought the Gospel to the far
ends of the earth, you know, to the Philippines, to Japan,
to you know, literally all the way around the world
to South America to.
Speaker 2: Everywhere.
Speaker 1: You know, the Spain and Portugal. Right, those two anti
liberal regimes of Salazari and of Franco, they were undermined
from from within by.
Speaker 2: The post.
Speaker 1: Uh you know revolution Church because the Church had bought
into the revolution, and that both destroyed the nation and
destroyed the church in Spain and in Portugal because the
Church refused to just stand and say no. And it
was because the Church stood and said no that unfortunately,
you know, the United States of America is revolutionary nasi.
You know, the CIA had a great deal to do
with the Carnation Revolution and the overthrow of Franco and
the installation of so called democracy, where you know, fifty
years on, they're they're digging up dead men who died
as heroes and disentering their bodies because everything that is
good must be torn down because it's illiberal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the it reminds me that you know that this
was all a reaction to communism spreading Marxism, and we
know where that comes from. And then you have someone
today like you have people who say, oh, well, there's
cultural Marxism. They gave up on the economics, they gave
up on the which they really haven't, and they gave
up on the political communism and just bit of cultural.
I would say they didn't give up on either, but
the cultural is more obvious. And in the twentieth century,
the one example we have of the fight against that
and the destruction of it is in Spain, and I
don't think they could have done it without the help
of Germany and Italy, who you know, supplied arms, supplied soldiers,
supplied planes. But they won. And one of the reasons,
probably the biggest reason they want is because of their Catholicism.
Franko went to Mass every day. He you know, one
thing I know about someone who goes to Mass every
day is somebody who does not hold themselves in the
highest regard. They see themselves as a sinner, they see
themselves as somebody who who needs saving. They see them
itself as somebody who is imperfect. And then you look
today and you see that this has taken over again,
and that the ideology has spread and it's jumped into conservatism, libertarianism,
basically everything. And the one way to fight it, one
way we know in the past to fight it is
Catholicism and is people's Catholic faith. And then you see
somebody like who Protestant churches go to, like James Lindsey,
who's just a liberal and hates hates anyone, he hates God,
he hates the Lord, he hates anyone. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And and Leon de grell A noted faithful Catholic
his whole life, right like he saw what was up.
You can read read his writing and he'll tell you
why they fought, and it's because he was a Catholic. Fundamentally.
The reason leonder girl, you know, earned the Knight's Cross
multiple times on the Eastern Front was because he was
a Catholic.
Speaker 2: And everything there. Thomas posted a picture of him on
you know, on the Eastern Front receiving receiving the host.
That was quite emotional. But your people turn, you know.
Another thing that people need to realize is you can't
turn to people who hate you. There are some people
out there, and I mentioned James Lindsay a little while ago,
who can tell you what's going on. But their their
answer to it. The way they want to fight it
is by using liberalism. And if you mentioned Catholicism to him,
he gets high oh, he loses his mind. And he
he has said somebody, somebody, I have a screenshot of
the tweets somewhere. Somebody had said, so you know, we
need we need trad caath in the West, and he said,
if it comes to that, I would rather the left
would win.
Speaker 1: Yes, because right, like, I don't know what his problem
is growing up, like he got told that he was
a naughty boyfriend.
Speaker 2: He grew up in Tennessee. From what I understand, you
would you would expect better, Yeah, you would, you would.
But he's a very strange man. And that's again all
of these problems. People's problem is fundamentally that the church
was a liberal and that that that church had to
be destroyed. And a church that is illiberal, like John
Henry Newman had this one hundred and thirty years ago.
He can be liberal or you can be Christian, but
you can't be both. Right, A church that is a
liberal is not worth because then you're going to change
dogmas change. What use is any dogmin then if it does,
if it does, if it if it can change. The
whole point of dogmas is that they don't change. It's
not the ten suggestions, right, right, you know the ten
strongly worded suggestions that may or may not change depending
on the circumstances and who is oppressing whom and who
is saying them, and if they're intersectionally higher up than that,
you know, like, no, there's ten commandments. It's the law
of God.
Speaker 1: Those are the things that we have to worry about.
And it's not necessarily that you know, God wants to
oppress us or take away our fundies, or you know,
God's going to reach down and like, you know, take
awhile all your fun by you know, putting out your
joint and making sure that the only funzies you're having
with your pants off is like in marriage with the
lights off.
Speaker 2: It's that.
Speaker 1: When you do certain things, you damage yourself and they're bad.
And smoking weed is like smacking yourself in the face
with a hammer, Like you can do it. It's just
a dumb idea. Like if you want to make yourself dumber,
go ahead, I guess, but it's not good for you
and you shouldn't do it.
Speaker 2: One thing that I've been trying to if there is
one thing in the past few months that I've been
trying to get through to people, because people have this idea,
you know, hippie Jesus, is that you know, hippie hippie
Jesus told us that, you know, we're supposed to love
our enemies. And I love to break people's brains by
telling them that he said to love our enemies. He
didn't say to love his enemies nowhere. No, as a
matter of fact, commit them with the perfect hatred. Yes. Yes,
and in many places you are commanded to do much
more than that. But you know, the churches, the church
has fall into. Get to the spirit of the age,
and the spirit of this age is is liberalism.
Speaker 1: Is satan, it's non servian. Yeah, well, I mean I
don't think we can do much better than that.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: I want to thank you, thank you very much for
Pete for being on fundamental principle. Could you tell people
where that you can be found in various ways to
support you and and whatever projects you might have going on.
Speaker 2: Sure? Yeah, the Peak and Yanna show all podcatchers Pete
substack dot com. You can get you can go right
to the podcast on a podcast at peakq dot org.
The Old Glory Club it's a bunch of heritage Americans
got together and form a fraternity and just coming together
to to support each other, to raise each other up.
And you know, I would also say I have a
new we have a new project that Jerome here is
invited to and will be on soon called The Inquisition
with Thomas seven seven seven Stormy Waters Astral from Aster
Flight Projection. And it's just a panel show where we
talk about important, important subjects like this, So watch out
for that. I always put it on my on my
podcast feed and that's been getting a lot of great
feedback lately. Is as conversations that people should be having
but aren't. So yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Believe that that was the record here pretty soon, so
please keep an eye on for that. And you know,
ladies and gentlemen, wellsee, gentlemen, the goal of this project
is to is to give you the facts. Our Lord said,
I am the way the truth in life, and those
are all capitol W, capital G, capital L, and all
constituent truths are somehow in his providence, part of his plan.
And people that lie to you about really important stuff,
whether that be in the religious slalm like liberalism, liberal
religion like dogmas don't matter, and that the faith of
your children, you know, not mattering. They can just be
saved by being good people. That's palagianism, that's a heresy,
that's you know, thousands of years old. That's not true.
And as a dad, as a man, it's your job
to go out there and fight for the truth. And
there's a lot of truths out there that unfortunately that
are really really important right now, that most people aren't
willing to talk about. And that's the goal with this
project is to talk about those things. And so I
want to thank mister Canonan is here for his time
and for his good work. I'm fighting for the truth.
Thank you, Pete, and we'll be back next time. Fundamental
Principle signing out, Thank you m