Speaker 1: You see, something's going to happen. What what's going to happen?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 3: Help?
Speaker 4: Welcome to the occult rejects. This episode, we got a
Speaker 4: little bit of a cult and we got a little
Speaker 4: bit of true crime coming at you today. I got
Speaker 4: a bunch of rejects with me. I got a couple
Speaker 4: of people joining us. Lisa the occult reject man scientist
Speaker 4: is here with us today, and uh and Lisa, thank
Speaker 4: you very much for joining us. I appreciate it. And
Speaker 4: we got Julia Cosmic Peach here with us as well.
Speaker 4: You know, it was true crime and it was some
Speaker 4: weird occult shit, so I figured, why not bring Cosmic
Speaker 4: Peach alone?
Speaker 5: Does this make me an official?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 6: I know what I introduced it like that.
Speaker 4: I was like, I kind of put myself.
Speaker 1: On the spot.
Speaker 4: If she quote me, now, you have.
Speaker 5: To say, Julia the Cosmic Peacha cult.
Speaker 4: Reject, Julia the Picha cult reject is joining us today.
Speaker 1: You're welcome.
Speaker 4: You're welcome. And uh yeah, Julia, please plug all your
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Speaker 4: your amazing work. Please.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Thanks.
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Speaker 4: Thank you. Thank you so much, Julia for joining us.
Speaker 4: I really appreciate it. And JJ Vance, last but not least,
Speaker 4: my favorite garbage can Dude, what is up?
Speaker 7: Man?
Speaker 4: Let everybody know where they can find all your amazing
Speaker 4: research as well.
Speaker 2: Nick.
Speaker 7: I appreciate the invite, uh, JJ Vance host of Operation
Speaker 7: g c D. Not not the vice president, Lisa Juliet. Great,
Speaker 7: great cel game. Looking for the conversation right right, Great
Speaker 7: to meet you the uh. You know this topic of
Speaker 7: conversations right in my wheelhouse, you know, sadly enough, ritual
Speaker 7: human sacrifice.
Speaker 1: Now you're now you're talking my language, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean?
Speaker 7: So I cover I cover those topics on Operation g
Speaker 7: c D quite frequently, amongst many other things.
Speaker 1: And UH do a live show.
Speaker 7: On Wednesday nights on YouTube Rumble and Twister and Friday
Speaker 7: nights Fridays with the Occult Rejects Nick on the same
Speaker 7: same platforms. Yes also on RSS, fees and whatnot as well,
Speaker 7: but yeah, looking.
Speaker 1: For to the conversation.
Speaker 7: Yeah, definitely, uh, definitely wasn't familiar with this topic, but
Speaker 7: I'm uh, you know, it will be nice interesting, that's
Speaker 7: for sure.
Speaker 4: So JJ, when you go like on speed dating or
Speaker 4: on dating apps, you put down that line about if
Speaker 4: you're talking about whatever that was, you're talking.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, right, human sacrifice.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, if you're into that.
Speaker 5: I said, I want to dating site. They would tell
Speaker 5: me that isn't a great idea. Conspiracy, It probably would
Speaker 5: work all the conspiracies. You're into flat earth, and then
Speaker 5: you connect with other conspiracy theorists and then you make
Speaker 5: conspiracy babies and then we start.
Speaker 4: An army conspiracy babies and.
Speaker 5: We take over the world.
Speaker 4: There we go.
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, this is your show, not mine.
Speaker 4: We're getting there. We getting there three and a half
Speaker 4: minutes and we're finally going to get to the guests.
Speaker 4: So ORAI code Codex of curiosities. My man, Please let
Speaker 4: everybody know what your deal is, what your show is about,
Speaker 4: what's up and whatever you want to plug? Please?
Speaker 6: All right?
Speaker 1: Cool?
Speaker 6: Cool, Yeah, my show is conspiracies, Dating and conspiracies. No.
Speaker 4: I was just like they took me a second. I
Speaker 4: was like, wait, I'm just.
Speaker 6: Gonna steal that right now.
Speaker 7: No.
Speaker 6: Yeah, So my show does we do conspiracies. I do
Speaker 6: Lost History, I do you know, paranormal, supernatural, UFO, abduction,
Speaker 6: all the like, everything that kind of falls in there
Speaker 6: is what I do. And then I do the odd.
Speaker 6: I've done two true crime episodes because they're just that
Speaker 6: out there, that crazy, and and the one we're gonna
Speaker 6: be talking about tonight is one of them, you know,
Speaker 6: because it was just an attention grapper, and considering that
Speaker 6: I live here in Mexico, it was something else that
Speaker 6: was kind of a dear to me, not just being
Speaker 6: these you know, sacrificial human sacrificial kind of things. It's
Speaker 6: just let's let's get into it. Let's find out the
Speaker 6: true nitty gritty about Mexico here. And my show can
Speaker 6: be found everywhere, you know, I bow down to YouTube,
Speaker 6: Julia there. Yeah, but so I'm in YouTube, rumble, uh,
Speaker 6: you know, audio wherever you can find it. It's it's
Speaker 6: the typical and again Codegas Codex of curiosities.
Speaker 4: I'll definitely say you have. You know when I first
Speaker 4: came across I think I told you in DM I
Speaker 4: was like I thought you were only true crime. I
Speaker 4: must have looked at the only two shows you've.
Speaker 6: Done exactly exactly. It was Jack the Ripper and this
Speaker 6: this called the Magdalena Sold this the Vampiric Blood Priestess.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And then and then when I went back and looked
Speaker 4: at your stuff, I was just, you know, more of
Speaker 4: your stuff. I was just like, Oh, this guy covers
Speaker 4: like everything. Yeah, I thought crime dab. Yeah, he does
Speaker 4: have a slew of different types of topics for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was between those two.
Speaker 4: When I saw that, I was like, ah, but same
Speaker 4: last name as Lisa. I'll ask him for that first.
Speaker 3: Of course.
Speaker 6: Yeah that's yeah. So so do we want to get
Speaker 6: into it or yeah, let's just jump right into it. Okay,
Speaker 6: So the topic what we're going to be talking about
Speaker 6: is a place in Mexico and San Luis Potosi called
Speaker 6: Yoba Buena. And this is small, Like when I say small,
Speaker 6: that doesn't even doesn't even cut it. You know, it's
Speaker 6: it's tiny, tiny, little village. That was this this village
Speaker 6: and this was this took place in the early sixties. Okay,
Speaker 6: and like, but but before we jump too deep into it,
Speaker 6: we got to do a little bit of background on
Speaker 6: the two main proponents of this who kind of started
Speaker 6: this all, and that was so we're going to talk
Speaker 6: about Santos and uh Cayetano Ornandez. Now, these were two
Speaker 6: brothers who were just lifelong scam artists. That's that's all
Speaker 6: they did. You know. They would go from one place
Speaker 6: to another place, and they they were driving along and
Speaker 6: they just left or or had been run out of town,
Speaker 6: which is usually the typical what happened with them. So
Speaker 6: they're just leaving for one scam and they stumbled upon
Speaker 6: your bewenna. They could see this town off in the distance,
Speaker 6: and they noticed that there was no power lines running
Speaker 6: there and there was no they didn't see a church
Speaker 6: or they didn't see what else, Yeah, or a school
Speaker 6: as well, And so if you think about it, there
Speaker 6: was with that meant. What that meant was there's no
Speaker 6: contact from the outside world, no education, and no organized
Speaker 6: religion to keep these people kind of on the righteous path.
Speaker 4: Right, imagine looking for stuff like that, things to check off.
Speaker 4: I could go there, the manipulation. I haven't thought of that,
Speaker 4: but it makes sense.
Speaker 6: And your bewenna means good herb Okay, So if you
Speaker 6: if you get the feeling where that's coming from. That
Speaker 6: was most likely it was. It got its name from
Speaker 6: the cartels who used to work in that area and
Speaker 6: we use the fields to grow their crops. But they
Speaker 6: were eventually run out by the federal allies. So that's
Speaker 6: a kind of already god it's name, you know, maybe
Speaker 6: or Buena also means spearmint as well, but I believe
Speaker 6: we're going to go with the fact that it's a
Speaker 6: good herb. Is really where they got that name from.
Speaker 6: Now let's get back to the story here. So now,
Speaker 6: these these two brothers, they they decided they came up
Speaker 6: with this hair brain scheme to pose as prophets of
Speaker 6: ancient Inca gods. Now, if anybody knows anything about geography
Speaker 6: and you know, ancient civilizations, you would know that the
Speaker 6: Incas aren't native to Peru. I mean, sorry, not native
Speaker 6: to Mexico. They're native to Peru. So like this is
Speaker 6: this is ridiculous to begin with already. But they went
Speaker 6: in and they went into the villagers, and they said
Speaker 6: that they were priests or prophets of these ancient Inca gods,
Speaker 6: and they were there to paved the way for the
Speaker 6: return of these gods, and with that they promised the
Speaker 6: villagers that there was hidden treasures and they would give
Speaker 6: these hidden treasures to these villagers in exchange for worship
Speaker 6: and tributes. Now what that what that entailed was like
Speaker 6: free food, free booze, lots of sex, pretty much anything
Speaker 6: else they wanted from the villagers. All right, So that's yeah,
Speaker 6: exactly exactly.
Speaker 4: So it's crazy in the sixties that can still happen.
Speaker 4: I mean, listen, I can understand that you end up
Speaker 4: in like, you know, the rainforest someplace in Africa, but
Speaker 4: I mean in Mexico.
Speaker 5: Well remember Nick, the sixties were like Laurel Canyon program
Speaker 5: to kill serial killers and you know all that stuff.
Speaker 5: It doesn't surprise me. There was so many cults that
Speaker 5: broke out in the sixties. It makes your headspind it's craziness.
Speaker 8: But I think like in Sun Louis Potos, it wasn't
Speaker 8: in dominantly indigenous still, like it's so the tourist attraction
Speaker 8: that it is now today.
Speaker 6: I believe so, I completely believe so. And one of
Speaker 6: you know, everybody knows one of the things of cults
Speaker 6: is to isolate your the people, you know, keep them isolated.
Speaker 6: But that's already happened in this town is already completely isolated,
Speaker 6: you know, and they were they were long gone and
Speaker 6: forgotten already. You know, they were taking advantage of by
Speaker 6: the cartel. But the cartel's now gone. So all they
Speaker 6: were doing for for income was like selling beans and corn.
Speaker 6: That's it. So like again, calling this a village really
Speaker 6: wasn't doing it justice. It was much smaller, you know,
Speaker 6: it was just a community of sorts because like I said,
Speaker 6: I think I mentioned that there is about like maybe
Speaker 6: fifty people living there. Okay, so I have.
Speaker 5: A question these brothers, were they like learn it at
Speaker 5: all or do they say, like which specific gods they
Speaker 5: were representing?
Speaker 6: Well, they just kind of just like gods. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 6: because these these people don't really know they're like sure,
Speaker 6: sure that that sounds like. And these men weren't learning
Speaker 6: like you know, they I don't know the full background
Speaker 6: of they had enough education to be able to pull
Speaker 6: off some good scams, right, and be able to manipulate people,
Speaker 6: which you got to have some education be able to
Speaker 6: do that.
Speaker 4: At least more than the people you're taking advantage exactly.
Speaker 6: Yeah, they got their grade ten and everybody else has
Speaker 6: the Grade nine, So there we go.
Speaker 7: Was was there a lot of other known cold activity
Speaker 7: in around that area at the time?
Speaker 1: Do they get did they get bit with a New
Speaker 1: Age bug?
Speaker 6: Not that I know of, I don't. I don't know that,
Speaker 6: but yeah, like the New Age like peace love and
Speaker 6: you know, like the Hippie movement.
Speaker 7: I did, because I mean scientology was in that and around.
Speaker 7: I mean, I don't know that area of Mexico, but
Speaker 7: they've been operating in Mexico since the nineteen sixties, late
Speaker 7: nineteen fifty.
Speaker 8: So there's I think they were in school which was
Speaker 8: over in Yucatan, which is.
Speaker 7: Down there, but they have these child farms they've been
Speaker 7: operating to which they're not exactly.
Speaker 6: The Yucatan were they located sture t U l Okay.
Speaker 8: It's still the same name, but San Luis Potosi is
Speaker 8: correct me if I'm wrong. It's north of Monterey. No, I'm
Speaker 8: not Mexico City.
Speaker 6: Sorry, yes, but it is near Monterey, very near Monterey.
Speaker 7: Right, which is not that far from like the Matamoros
Speaker 7: cold that would they would erupt in the seventies and eighties.
Speaker 3: It's further south, right, isn't it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And it's on the coast, Yes, close to being
Speaker 6: on the coast.
Speaker 1: Yes, same state though right, same.
Speaker 6: No, I think no, I think I think they're more
Speaker 6: northern states. Yeah, what is that the.
Speaker 7: Name of its I'm not good with American names first
Speaker 7: and foremost, so Mexican names not my not my thing.
Speaker 1: But that's how you pronounced it. I often wonder how
Speaker 1: much cold activity.
Speaker 7: Went in around that area, and looking into this cold
Speaker 7: I'd never heard of as I go, Wow, there's far
Speaker 7: more cold activity in that region than I you know, previously.
Speaker 5: Did the brothers have any like military, like ex military,
Speaker 5: any governmental nothing where they're fit, where their grandparents Satanists,
Speaker 5: where they like part of generational Satanism, anything like that.
Speaker 6: No, no, not they.
Speaker 5: They just broke out on their own kind of.
Speaker 6: Yes, exactly exactly. And yeah, so Tampico is on the
Speaker 6: east coast? Is is that what you're saying? But this area,
Speaker 6: I believe San Luis Potosi is is not is a
Speaker 6: bit north. It's it's north of Mexico City, but it's
Speaker 6: it's still south of it's kind of in between. I
Speaker 6: don't know if we want to stay in between the
Speaker 6: border of like of the US and Mexico City. It's
Speaker 6: I don't want to say halfway. No, it's it's much
Speaker 6: closer to Mexico City.
Speaker 7: But yeah, I'm not going to Mexican geography anyway. Between
Speaker 7: what you're saying, Monterey, Mexico City. I can picture those places,
Speaker 7: but anything else between, like I'm not not certain of.
Speaker 6: Not no problem, no problem.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So yeah, it's it's north of Mexico City and south
Speaker 6: of Monterey is where we're going to find it.
Speaker 7: But this is kind of an abnormal theology, you know,
Speaker 7: this not just the Incins is your point now coming
Speaker 7: to New Mexico claim to be representing Incan gods? But
Speaker 7: from from what it seems like with this cold, it's not.
Speaker 7: It's not rooted in local folklore.
Speaker 6: At this point. No, at this point. No, it changes though,
Speaker 6: it changes gears, and and that's when things get get
Speaker 6: a little crazy.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so yeah, and it's like these guys were just
Speaker 6: career criminals going around finding targets, finding hits. But this
Speaker 6: was the craziest one of them all. You know, like before,
Speaker 6: it's I believe before a most smaller you know, like
Speaker 6: hitting families, hitting up families and smaller areas or smaller
Speaker 6: like targets, but this was this was their big hit
Speaker 6: on this one. And one of the issues though with
Speaker 6: this is if we're going back to the story, is
Speaker 6: that they they they continued this charade for a couple
Speaker 6: of weeks, people were starting to like it. They didn't
Speaker 6: really bring anything to the table though. They just kept
Speaker 6: on saying that this is what they're doing. But they
Speaker 6: actually picked a couple of villagers to serve them and
Speaker 6: to help keep the villagers in line, one of those
Speaker 6: being Jesus Robario. Okay, now, Jazus kind of figured out
Speaker 6: that they this was all bullshit and he's like, listen,
Speaker 6: I want in. It's pretty much what he wanted to, like,
Speaker 6: he wanted to take advantage of his own village as well, like, hey,
Speaker 6: I want part of this, because at this time it
Speaker 6: was just enjoying a lot of sex, drinks and food
Speaker 6: and everything. So that's that's where it went. But like
Speaker 6: as I said, this, the promises of treasures and gold
Speaker 6: that they weren't materializing. They weren't bringing anything, so the
Speaker 6: villagers were becoming more skeptical by the day, and that
Speaker 6: this next choice is where they changed everything. So they
Speaker 6: the brothers realized that they needed to step this up. Okay.
Speaker 6: So they ended up driving to Monterey, and they left
Speaker 6: Jesus in charge to kind of like keep people still
Speaker 6: in line, to let them know that, hey, we're coming back.
Speaker 6: And the reason they did this is because they were
Speaker 6: they promised the villagers that they were going to bring
Speaker 6: back a goddess or a priestess, that they were going
Speaker 6: to create this. They were just going to bring someone
Speaker 6: else back who was who was to add to this charade?
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 6: So they drove to Monterey and that is where they
Speaker 6: recruited Magdalena Solis and her brother and I'm going to
Speaker 6: butcher this name because it is a difficult name, Elizar Als. Okay,
Speaker 6: So that is the brother of Magdalena Solis. Now, it's
Speaker 6: unknown if if Magdalena Solis and Eliasar and the two
Speaker 6: brothers actually knew each other prior to this. They might
Speaker 6: have there might have been a relationship prior to that beout.
Speaker 6: But Magdalena was she was working as a prostitute in
Speaker 6: Monterey and she's been doing this since the age of twelve,
Speaker 6: and her pimp was her brother. Okay, that's nice, so
Speaker 6: fucked right, Yes, yeah, I I I knew that was
Speaker 6: going to come up.
Speaker 5: He was pimp and his CIS's so messed yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: completely messed up.
Speaker 6: Now, not only did she not only was she a prostitute,
Speaker 6: though she was also had a side hustle as a
Speaker 6: fortune teller and a medium. She would claim to be
Speaker 6: like channeling spirits of oh that's exactly, that's exactly, you know.
Speaker 6: But but she is in this kind of concept. So
Speaker 6: she was said she would channel like these brujas okay,
Speaker 6: and for those who know, those are witches. So that
Speaker 6: was I believe that played a big part in in
Speaker 6: this next the next level, the next step. So so
Speaker 6: Magdalena and her brother and Hernandez brothers decided that Kate
Speaker 6: like they propositioned her and said, we want you to
Speaker 6: come back and we want you to portray you know,
Speaker 6: this priestess or this or a god. Well they actually
Speaker 6: said priestess to be given. Now during this time when
Speaker 6: they're having this conversation and agreeing with this, one of
Speaker 6: them finally realized that the Incoans weren't from Mexico. So
Speaker 6: that's when they switched up. They decided to go with
Speaker 6: Aztec gods. So at this time, you know, some had
Speaker 6: said that Magdalene was going to pose as a famous
Speaker 6: resurrected Mexican faith healer, but that kind of they decided
Speaker 6: not to. So she was going to be a priestess
Speaker 6: of the Aztec goddess qualitic you okay, and qualiticqu was
Speaker 6: the fertility goddess. And I'm not doing that right too.
Speaker 6: I had some issues with some of these names. But
Speaker 6: qual lick you quoth lick you okay. So this was
Speaker 6: the fertility goddess, which make sure you keep that in
Speaker 6: your mind now. So the brothers returned back to the
Speaker 6: village and they told that they didn't bring in Magdalena yet.
Speaker 6: They told everyone that this goddess that they went to
Speaker 6: get or this priestess, would arrive at night and they
Speaker 6: but they had to perform this ritual to summon her.
Speaker 6: So that evening they got the villagers to participate in
Speaker 6: the brother's ritual where they used some fireworks and pyrotechnics
Speaker 6: to and which amazing people because they've never seen this
Speaker 6: kind of stuff, right, and this is all new to them.
Speaker 6: So they're able to produce the thick cloud of smoke
Speaker 6: and once the once the smoke cleared, there stood Magdalena
Speaker 6: Solis and the village were just the villagers were just
Speaker 6: amazed at this because this was you know, smoking mirrors
Speaker 6: kind of bullshit kind of stuff, but for them this
Speaker 6: was amazings.
Speaker 1: Then they were just kind of making it up as
Speaker 1: they went along.
Speaker 2: Making everything exactly they Like when they got back, did
Speaker 2: they like switch it up, like, oh, by the way,
Speaker 2: just kidding, it's as techs, not in.
Speaker 5: Like you think right there, they'd be like, hold the
Speaker 5: fuck up, Like, first off, who are you? Second off,
Speaker 5: it went from inca to now it's as tech to
Speaker 5: now it's this, and now it's that. And I'm wondering
Speaker 5: if the brothers knew her because they were getting some
Speaker 5: push on the other side of town and maybe they
Speaker 5: got a reading or something, and maybe they got tight
Speaker 5: with her brother and they were like, let's run game
Speaker 5: on these people. Just seems like it'd be like, we're
Speaker 5: gonna go to this town and we just so happened
Speaker 5: to know a fortune telling prostitute with pool brother that
Speaker 5: could come back and run this game with us. Like
Speaker 5: that's so specific, you know, it's almost like they had.
Speaker 4: Like that is a good point.
Speaker 6: In fact, it's a great point, and none of that
Speaker 6: can be proven or disproven. Another can be claimed or
Speaker 6: disclaimed that is not in there. But there was assumptions.
Speaker 6: The only assumptions was they might have known each other
Speaker 6: prior to this. But I think you're bringing up a
Speaker 6: great point, you know, it's kind of it's interesting. It
Speaker 6: is very.
Speaker 3: Interesting to Julia's point.
Speaker 8: When I was listening to it at the beginning and
Speaker 8: now listening to you, Julia, I wonder if they were
Speaker 8: about to get caught rod and dirty, and so that
Speaker 8: their whole game in that oh oops, we invoke the
Speaker 8: ink in people and they know that it's not and
Speaker 8: so get someone who could pose as an Aztec priestess
Speaker 8: and change it up, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 8: And that probably the charade was falling apart, and so
Speaker 8: therefore they had to go get reconnaissance. And then hence,
Speaker 8: you know, they already knew who that person was, they
Speaker 8: knew that they could scam them, they knew that they
Speaker 8: could be in on the take.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because it's like this chick already likes to make
Speaker 5: money dirty. Yeah, you're not going to take a lot
Speaker 5: of convincing to be like, hey, you come back with us,
Speaker 5: right right. It's like, hey, you don't even have to
Speaker 5: you don't even have to get as dirty. You know
Speaker 5: what I'm saying, We'll pay you for doing less if
Speaker 5: you come with us. So I think she found an
Speaker 5: easy way out.
Speaker 6: I would do it too.
Speaker 5: I'd be evoking all kinds of shit, like get me
Speaker 5: out of here. My brother is literally pimping me. But
Speaker 5: nobody knows that. Yet, nobody knows anything about her. So
Speaker 5: there's they're still able to pull off this this charade right.
Speaker 7: Right, acquisition in the matter, right, Like, aren't the locals
Speaker 7: they're Catholics, they're letting all this problem.
Speaker 6: No, No, there's no church, know nothing there like that.
Speaker 6: They were completely isolated. So there's no church in electricity,
Speaker 6: no school as well. So you've got the perfect mark there.
Speaker 6: They're just just right for picking.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I just assumed the Catholics did a number
Speaker 1: of Mexico hundreds of years ago.
Speaker 7: They just got across the whole landscape.
Speaker 5: Yah, they forgot this little po dunk town. They just
Speaker 5: skipped right over it now.
Speaker 6: So and also to boot to this, so the the
Speaker 6: villagers also believed that. And I don't know who stated this,
Speaker 6: but if we're talking about like Catholics, so the villagers
Speaker 6: also believe that Lasar was the reincarnation of Saint Francis.
Speaker 6: So they just ran with that. So there, so I know,
Speaker 6: we're saying there's no church and there's no Catholic religion,
Speaker 6: but they had an idea of who Saint Francis was.
Speaker 6: So that's interesting.
Speaker 7: Yeah, when it was one time, if you didn't know
Speaker 7: who Sint Francis was, they they hung upside down by
Speaker 7: the steak or something lit you on fire, you know
Speaker 7: what I mean?
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 8: All of all of the missionary priests that came from
Speaker 8: Spain in the fifteen hundreds were all of the Saint
Speaker 8: Franciscan Order.
Speaker 3: None of them came their order.
Speaker 8: It was predominant because it was in southern Spain where
Speaker 8: ernand Cortes predominated in that one specific area of Mexico,
Speaker 8: and so it was all majority of that Franciscan order.
Speaker 8: The other orders went elsewhere in North Mexico, South America
Speaker 8: and all that other stuff, but predominantly the area was
Speaker 8: a Franciscan order.
Speaker 5: Would you think that las Laisar he knew that shit
Speaker 5: before he got to the little town. Maybe he had
Speaker 5: been exposed, he was he wanted to be in on
Speaker 5: the the scam too, like, oh, my sister's not going
Speaker 5: to get all the glory, Like I gotta be somebody.
Speaker 5: All right, you're saying Francis, asshole, get up.
Speaker 6: Maybe he had a slight resemblance to Saint Francis and
Speaker 6: maybe and it could have went that way.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Oh we talked to animals. That's his thing.
Speaker 8: No, no, no, Saint Francis is that he could speak to him. Sorry, no, no.
Speaker 6: Well, which is crazy that the he talked to animals,
Speaker 6: because what they end up doing right away is so
Speaker 6: un Saint Francis Like yeah, because like the villagers then
Speaker 6: just accepted them, like yes, this is what we've been
Speaker 6: waiting for. And that's when it all really started. So
Speaker 6: Magdalena started taking control. At this point, she started introducing
Speaker 6: like these crazy things such as animal sacrifices and then
Speaker 6: big sexual acts like orgies and whatnot. And with the sacrifices,
Speaker 6: with the animal sacrifices, they started drinking the blood of
Speaker 6: these animals and mixing it with payote and marijuana as well.
Speaker 6: So this is where things started getting crazy, you know,
Speaker 6: just drug up everybody. Because of course, since the the
Speaker 6: cartel was in that area, they're not anymore. There's still
Speaker 6: marijuana plants growing around, so that was a common thing
Speaker 6: in Piote of course, is quite common in that area
Speaker 6: as well. Now now, now the big problem that is
Speaker 6: is this is that over time Magdalena started to really
Speaker 6: believe in her herself, like in her own divinity, and
Speaker 6: and that's when she started like assuming leadership of the cult. Okay,
Speaker 6: So she started to believe in the the ruse itself
Speaker 6: right along with the villagers almost, he could say. So
Speaker 6: that's where things started escalating even more. And in this
Speaker 6: in this town also, there was this one beautiful girl
Speaker 6: named Selene. Selena was also slightly in on it, okay,
Speaker 6: so she was one of those appointed what is it
Speaker 6: like kind of like a priestess of the group. So
Speaker 6: she was appointed of that one as well. So what
Speaker 6: happened there was Magdalena ended up developing feelings like a
Speaker 6: bit of lust for Selena as well. So that will
Speaker 6: play part closer to the end.
Speaker 5: Okay, Oh shits yeah, the possible triangle.
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, now.
Speaker 5: I have I have just the quickst question ever, was
Speaker 5: was she did she believe in it? Because like she
Speaker 5: was like doing this which wichy stuff before they even
Speaker 5: got her inducted into this cult, like she was summoning stuff,
Speaker 5: and like maybe she really did think.
Speaker 6: Like that's that. That's that's what I think. I think
Speaker 6: it ties in with it because she was already kind
Speaker 6: of getting into this mindset of like I am a
Speaker 6: fortune teller and I am channeling these bruhas, and maybe
Speaker 6: there was part of her that actually believed that.
Speaker 5: Okay, right, yeah, but especially I was like drinking the
Speaker 5: blood and doing the like. You know, even if it
Speaker 5: was me, if I was, I knew it was all
Speaker 5: kind of like a setup and it was I wouldn't
Speaker 5: be drinking it. No, thanks, you know, it's like how
Speaker 5: far do you get into it?
Speaker 8: Well, and I will say this, like in the Hispanic culture,
Speaker 8: at least in the Mexican culture, we do predominantly cook
Speaker 8: our food and blood, so like like and stuff like that.
Speaker 8: I don't know if you ever had that in Manko
Speaker 8: it's geeseol I have with Yeah, you cook it in
Speaker 8: blood and stuff like that. It's it's it's one of
Speaker 8: those things that the people they're called compass, they would
Speaker 8: live off the land and you ate everything everything from
Speaker 8: intestine to whatever. You never let anything go to waste.
Speaker 8: And so it's predominantly that that was accepted everything from brain, tongue, cheek, everything,
Speaker 8: and so that's very common in Hispanic culture.
Speaker 3: That's not I think there's.
Speaker 5: Throats and yeah, just like like doing like again, I
Speaker 5: don't know, but.
Speaker 6: Well in this one they would they actually had like
Speaker 6: a ceremonial chalice that they were they were using. Yes, yes, sorry,
Speaker 6: but yeah, it's a it's so it's getting there where
Speaker 6: she she's taking more control of this. So and this
Speaker 6: is where again that that that that one was a
Speaker 6: step up. Now this is coming to another step up.
Speaker 6: Sorry you had a question.
Speaker 7: No, I was just gonna be before we move past
Speaker 7: the animal sacrifice, not that I want to dwell on it, but.
Speaker 1: What was just were there any dogs involved here? Maybe
Speaker 1: German shepherds.
Speaker 6: No, from what I heard, it was chickens. It wasn't
Speaker 6: anything too crazy, so it was chickens. Could have been
Speaker 6: out of their animals, of course, of course I've heard chickens.
Speaker 6: That is all that I've read that I've done research on,
Speaker 6: and that's all I've gotten out.
Speaker 4: I mean, shepherds do come up a lot, though I noticed.
Speaker 7: There was a lot of German shepherds getting off to
Speaker 7: Mexico around those times. Well, you know, again like at
Speaker 7: least a point element south.
Speaker 1: Of there in the Yucatan.
Speaker 4: But nonetheless, well, I just even like with uh that
Speaker 4: that's associated with Go Go Beach. You know, Joe Biden's
Speaker 4: dog that kept biting people the whole time. He was
Speaker 4: a German shepherd. You do hear about German shepherd dog.
Speaker 8: They would have had to have been brought in because
Speaker 8: German shepherds are not indigenous to.
Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly, especially that specific area too. I would not
Speaker 6: assume that they'd have any German shepherds. Maybe some local uh,
Speaker 6: maybe some local dogs that are just.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think dogs dogs.
Speaker 7: Acervice in general is interesting because it does seem to
Speaker 7: you know, circle around colts on numerous gunents.
Speaker 6: Mmm mm hmmmm hmm.
Speaker 5: I agree with you on that one. They I think
Speaker 5: there was some dogs in the a dog Focuns Sonzo stuff.
Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure there was some dogs with.
Speaker 1: That madam the Madam Morris one. Yeah, some dogs up there.
Speaker 6: Yeah. Anyways, ry no, no worries, no worries. I like
Speaker 6: conversation that. I enjoy that. So at this point again,
Speaker 6: they started hitting a point where some of the villagers
Speaker 6: a couple of the villagers were starting to like a
Speaker 6: little bit of dissent was happening, you know, except of
Speaker 6: the villagers were just like, I'm not buying this. I'm
Speaker 6: not into this, you know, big sex, orgies and this
Speaker 6: blood drinking and everything. So so they're like they're questioning
Speaker 6: everything that was being done. And the two brothers that
Speaker 6: started it all in the beginning, you know, the Hernandez brothers,
Speaker 6: they were talking about like yeah, time to go, okay,
Speaker 6: So they were ready to cut it and leave. But
Speaker 6: Magdalena took it upon herself to solve the problem. And
Speaker 6: this is where she takes complete control. So she had
Speaker 6: another one of her rituals with biota and orgies and
Speaker 6: everything and animal sacrificing and blood drinking. But the during
Speaker 6: this ritual, though, she said that the gods had told
Speaker 6: her that there are doubters in the village, and so
Speaker 6: she pointed out one of them and then they all
Speaker 6: proceeded to murder him in front of everyone. Okay, so
Speaker 6: in front of the villagers. So it was then they
Speaker 6: just they bludgeoned him. It was usually with rocks, like
Speaker 6: bludgeoning him with rocks now, and it said that at
Speaker 6: this point, that's when she used the cup to that
Speaker 6: they were using to drink the chicken blood to. She
Speaker 6: started drinking blood from this dead guy. Okay, fuck way
Speaker 6: a notch.
Speaker 5: Yes she did. Yes, That's why I think she she
Speaker 5: started believing in this shit, because it's like you just
Speaker 5: took it to a homicidal place. And that's why I think,
Speaker 5: like this is me being my spiritual self and not
Speaker 5: my conspiracy self. When you do these things, I think
Speaker 5: you can invite like dark spirits to come into you.
Speaker 5: And I think that she probably was getting into some stuff.
Speaker 5: She had no idea how powerful it actually was. Maybe
Speaker 5: like this story is like, oh, you know, she she
Speaker 5: got so into it. She's believing in the liars and stuff.
Speaker 5: Maybe she got so into it she actually started conjuring
Speaker 5: some shit. I mean, how many dead chickens do you
Speaker 5: need to drink the blood and like do all this
Speaker 5: before you actually start opening the doors to some some
Speaker 5: like dark stuff.
Speaker 6: Well it's like blood, sex, magic, right right, yeah.
Speaker 5: And the orgies and the weird. Like you gotta think
Speaker 5: like this this started as a pretend thing, and now
Speaker 5: it's like a real thing, Like they've brought it into
Speaker 5: the physical plane.
Speaker 6: Like exactly tough, and now like think of it, like,
Speaker 6: what a way to control the village. Now, you know,
Speaker 6: you just murdered one of them for being a disbeliever,
Speaker 6: and in front of everyone.
Speaker 4: I was going to ask, do you think he was
Speaker 4: really a disbeliever? Do you think they were like, you know,
Speaker 4: we're just going to kill one person to prove a point,
Speaker 4: to scare everybody.
Speaker 6: No, it was definitely disbelieved. There was two men that
Speaker 6: were being these that were disbelieved. Now it's uncertain that
Speaker 6: they killed one or two. I'm leaning more to that
Speaker 6: it was only one. But you know, all you have
Speaker 6: to do is killed one and the other one is
Speaker 6: going to fall right in line. You're not going to
Speaker 6: get any dissent at that point. Yeah, yeah, that is
Speaker 6: great control, right, and so, and at this point she
Speaker 6: had taken over the cult completely and the brothers happily
Speaker 6: actually just stepped aside because they were along for the ride. Now,
Speaker 6: they weren't making any of those difficult decisions or doing
Speaker 6: any of that stuff. Now they're just kind of like,
Speaker 6: all right, just let it happen. And but nonetheless, there's
Speaker 6: still part of it all and it was specifically at
Speaker 6: this point that that was stated that she actually believe
Speaker 6: that she was the reincarnation of the god Qualita qu.
Speaker 4: One thing I do. Go ahead, go ahead, really.
Speaker 5: Well, this is this is a real goddess though, this
Speaker 5: is a real.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I believe.
Speaker 8: Yeah, she she's I think the goddess which in Mashika
Speaker 8: or sex lor they believe snakes are life because you know,
Speaker 8: when you open someone up, all you see is snakes
Speaker 8: like intestines and blood vessels and whatever, and they believe
Speaker 8: that there is a bilgal cord.
Speaker 3: That connects all of the heavens. So I believe was
Speaker 3: the goddess of the snakes.
Speaker 8: And if I'm not mistaken, I think she was like
Speaker 8: their mantusa or something like that, because what have you.
Speaker 3: She likes of the thing that we did.
Speaker 5: Sorry, she's like the feminized version of like quetsoquadal, Yes,
Speaker 5: because the name is so similar, and that's like a
Speaker 5: masculine deity. But so okay, all right, So think about
Speaker 5: all this sacrifices and ship she's doing in the name
Speaker 5: of a very real deity.
Speaker 6: Like of course, and she was so Yeah, she was
Speaker 6: considered the mother of the gods, the goddess of earth, nature, fertility, life,
Speaker 6: and death. So she was a the main goddess if
Speaker 6: you want to go, if you want to go there,
Speaker 6: So she was the goddess. So if you're gonna if
Speaker 6: you're going to be a goddess and portray a goddess,
Speaker 6: that's the one to portray.
Speaker 5: M h.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I wonder who taught her how to mix the
Speaker 7: you know, to mix the paodian with the blood, you know,
Speaker 7: to give the appearance of some sort of mystical power.
Speaker 7: I'm sure over her followers you know that maybe that's
Speaker 7: an enterprising con man tactic.
Speaker 1: I don't know. It just seems like someone may have
Speaker 1: taught her that.
Speaker 5: Have you guys read The Cosmic Serpent? Anybody know?
Speaker 3: But it's in my queue, dude, I'm.
Speaker 5: Reading it right now. And JJ just mentioned something that's
Speaker 5: totally in the Cosmic Serpent about how how did ancients
Speaker 5: understand how to create ayahuasca? Out of eighty thousand Amazonian plants,
Speaker 5: they the two plants like the hallucinogenic and the one
Speaker 5: that shuts off the receptors in your stomach so you
Speaker 5: didn't pew get back up like they chose. Out of
Speaker 5: eighty thousand plants they chose. It's just like divinely inspired,
Speaker 5: they say.
Speaker 7: So.
Speaker 3: So I spoke to.
Speaker 8: In Peru when I went down there, and they said,
Speaker 8: God is very kind to the to the innocent mind
Speaker 8: that seeks his knowledge. And he says that they that
Speaker 8: they walk with the spirits, at least the shamans do,
Speaker 8: and that the spirits reveal to them what it is,
Speaker 8: but that they go into the forest and that they
Speaker 8: fast or whatever, and that the that the plants come
Speaker 8: alive and tell them how to you. Again, I'm just
Speaker 8: you know, repeating what I heard and.
Speaker 5: So, but that's but that's such a good point because
Speaker 5: it's like, how far into this did she really get?
Speaker 5: Because I think like there's a level of psychopathy, but
Speaker 5: they at the same time like she was actually doing
Speaker 5: like real stuff to bring about like real results well
Speaker 5: seen in the blood and doing all the in the
Speaker 5: like dude.
Speaker 8: For real, she could have opened if she was doing taro,
Speaker 8: then I would think that she was very much into
Speaker 8: that whole side of the arts.
Speaker 6: Yeah, she's already into the dabbling in what she's in
Speaker 6: the occult, right, she would be.
Speaker 3: Very much into the whole what do you call.
Speaker 8: Them whatever and all about that, reading the iris, reading
Speaker 8: the cards, reading your tea leaves a whole bit.
Speaker 7: Yeah, So is this like a normal Tarot system she
Speaker 7: was subscribing to, or is this like a Mexican only
Speaker 7: Tarot system where we talking her.
Speaker 6: That I don't know, I would assume would be just
Speaker 6: the regular taro. I don't know if there was any
Speaker 6: other ones in around.
Speaker 4: The one thing I do want to, I guess ask
Speaker 4: or bring up again now this whole because I am
Speaker 4: trying to like, I'm just wondering, like, what's the even
Speaker 4: the best benefit of this. So now the whole reason
Speaker 4: that this even started, and and now they still like
Speaker 4: kind of just going along with like a free ride
Speaker 4: and tons of sex, like like because that seems to
Speaker 4: be the only reason why they're still continuing. This is
Speaker 4: from the beginning, the idea of like, oh, we could
Speaker 4: just get laid and live here for free.
Speaker 6: Yeah, get get laid, live here for free, have all
Speaker 6: the food you want, and just be yeah, god right.
Speaker 4: I don't know, it's just like that's it.
Speaker 6: That's how it all started.
Speaker 5: Give it. Honestly, Nick, It's like they wanted their own
Speaker 5: like kingdom. They wanted to be like kings of their kingdom.
Speaker 5: And like the way you control people is fear religion.
Speaker 5: You know that that the fear of death will get
Speaker 5: That would get me every time. It'd be like, oh dude,
Speaker 5: they're literally killing people now. I you know, at what
Speaker 5: point do you just kind of be like, this is
Speaker 5: really real, we should really listen to these people. And
Speaker 5: but it is. It is surprising to me that it
Speaker 5: got so out of hand that the guys who started
Speaker 5: the whole thing, we're just like, we're going to take
Speaker 5: a back seat to this. Uh, yes, we fucked up
Speaker 5: and have fun. We're out of here.
Speaker 8: I think ry you doing something on your show, and
Speaker 8: I think it fits perfectly to this question.
Speaker 3: Is that here's this girl who was placed.
Speaker 8: Into prostitution and she had absolutely no control in her life,
Speaker 8: and now here she stepped into a stage where everyone
Speaker 8: listened to everything she said and she now could have control.
Speaker 8: And so that I'm assuming is the ultimate high anyone
Speaker 8: can can want or perceive.
Speaker 6: Sure, I actually agree. Yeah. So anybody who's in a
Speaker 6: position where you don't have any control and then you're
Speaker 6: almost gifted these powers, people get like drunk on that.
Speaker 6: They get drunk on power. And and I'm if you're
Speaker 6: into conspiracies and I'm sure you know when the COVID
Speaker 6: was around that you've seen all these people who never
Speaker 6: had had power before who are now gifted with all
Speaker 6: this power. You know, maybe your door checkers at Walmart
Speaker 6: and ship like that, or your Starbucks baristas, and they're
Speaker 6: now drunk on power and telling you how to you know,
Speaker 6: you can't come in here, you can't do this, you know,
Speaker 6: And yeah, that's an easy example of it.
Speaker 4: You had dudes stocking shelves in the supermarket wearing an
Speaker 4: essential Worker shirt that thought they were.
Speaker 5: All the weird nerds that like nobody gave a ship about.
Speaker 5: It became like your masters, yes, so weird shit, like
Speaker 5: you fucking work at Ross. Dude, Like, don't tell me
Speaker 5: I can't approach the cash register unless I'm like, are
Speaker 5: you's Ross?
Speaker 4: Like you work at a store that's got arrows on
Speaker 4: the floor and you're following it?
Speaker 6: What is that?
Speaker 5: That's the first place I went into when they started
Speaker 5: that ship. I was like, this is fucking Ross, Like
Speaker 5: you guys sell birdhouses and where why are you telling
Speaker 5: me how to live my life? And it's just like
Speaker 5: they gave power to like the useless nerds of society.
Speaker 5: I'm telling you it just it's crazy. But that is
Speaker 5: a good example of what's going on. It's just like
Speaker 5: a couple of weird nerds who got a prostitute with
Speaker 5: some mental instability in her pimp brother, and they started
Speaker 5: a cult and then they actually opened up the door
Speaker 5: to some really real shit in.
Speaker 6: My opinion, Oh completely, completely, Yeah. The example I gave
Speaker 6: you was just a just a tip of the iceberg
Speaker 6: in comparison to this, you know, and it was and yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: it's crazy, it is crazy. So I can continue if
Speaker 6: you guys want, Yeah, yeah, all right, all right. So
Speaker 6: now so now under her command like this cult, now
Speaker 6: any of the members, which is the villagers, anybody who
Speaker 6: expressed like they want to leave or you know, they
Speaker 6: want out, were publicly executed, okay, so that yes, yeah,
Speaker 6: and and remember there's not that many people living here,
Speaker 6: right so you know you're but I guess you know,
Speaker 6: you kill a couple and you have that you have
Speaker 6: that uh, that control, and and that that's when also
Speaker 6: Magdalena started to introduce like these blood rituals, which were
Speaker 6: inspired by the Aztecs, you know, where they when there
Speaker 6: was any dissenting members, they would they were tortured, mutilated,
Speaker 6: and then left to bleed to death. And when they
Speaker 6: did that, they would collect their their blood and mix
Speaker 6: it with ma marijuana or piote, and that of course
Speaker 6: was then consumed by Magdalena and other cult members. Now,
Speaker 6: she actually believed that this, and and the cult members
Speaker 6: actually believed that this granted them supernatural powers. And she,
Speaker 6: Magdalena herself believed that it's sustained her it even like
Speaker 6: and this this process even escalated more when they started
Speaker 6: to rip the hearts out of their victims and eat
Speaker 6: them as well.
Speaker 5: So straight up tech. Yeah, that is like straight up
Speaker 5: as tech, like old school as tech. Ship. Where'd she
Speaker 5: get that idea from?
Speaker 6: You know exactly? And you wonder was she does she
Speaker 6: actually know this? Or was this being channeled through her
Speaker 6: by some demon? But I'm with the ladder of those
Speaker 6: two things obviously, But I believe that there is some
Speaker 6: crossover in that in that area that you know, we
Speaker 6: start going a little bit supernatural. But and she believed,
Speaker 6: like the people believe that this granted them supernatural powers,
Speaker 6: which is just crazy now, but who's to say that
Speaker 6: it didn't. You know, Like I'm almost thinking I'm going
Speaker 6: to make a bulletproof. That's sure.
Speaker 4: You know what the problem is, you know, like you
Speaker 4: know how I mean this is just because I know
Speaker 4: of things that I've seen in movies and who knows,
Speaker 4: like if you already know the timing and stuff and
Speaker 4: you just want people to be like dumb. Now I'm
Speaker 4: not saying that the lady did this, but like I
Speaker 4: do wonder if there's like things that you could even
Speaker 4: do to really make these people believe like this needs
Speaker 4: to be dumb, because like from what I'm getting at
Speaker 4: is in a movie I saw, Fuck, I think Bill
Speaker 4: Gibson did it to Apocalypto.
Speaker 9: Those people were killing people until the eclipse ended our team. Now,
Speaker 9: if you know one's coming, you could play off that,
Speaker 9: Like did she use things that she could even even
Speaker 9: have played off to even make these people think that
Speaker 9: she was legit.
Speaker 6: That much more? And I mean you really haven't met
Speaker 6: or anything, but who knows, you know, for but yeah,
Speaker 6: who truly knows. Not many people know those specifics of it.
Speaker 6: But I guess if we go back, you know, if
Speaker 6: you go back to the time period and you look
Speaker 6: at it, there probably was some maybe there was some
Speaker 6: solar solar activity going on or celestial activity that maybe
Speaker 6: they could have played with as well.
Speaker 5: Does pioti get you fucked up?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah?
Speaker 5: Really so it's like tripping balls? Or is it like
Speaker 5: a mile more than acid?
Speaker 1: More than ad?
Speaker 4: But for me though, I I only did it, I
Speaker 4: mean once, maybe twice. I left my ass off though
Speaker 4: more than I did on acid or I mean, I
Speaker 4: told you.
Speaker 1: It's a good time.
Speaker 6: Do you feel like, oh yeah, piote is completely spiritual.
Speaker 5: That is, that is definitely a spiritual if you mixed
Speaker 5: it with like a dead guy's blood and smoked it,
Speaker 5: like maybe they've Maybe that's why I'm saying, like maybe
Speaker 5: they did see stuff, and.
Speaker 8: Like you know, absolutely I was looking at it, and
Speaker 8: I was looking at see if iron enhances the effects
Speaker 8: of mescaline. You know, that's a sense of psychoactive and
Speaker 8: I'm I'm pretty sure if I deep dive into it'll
Speaker 8: find something, But I don't know. I mean, because mescaline
Speaker 8: kind of acts on your norropenephrine epinephrine mechanism sympathetic and
Speaker 8: you know the heart rate will change and so your
Speaker 8: increasing temperatures.
Speaker 3: Everything's like heightened, kind of like.
Speaker 8: With LSD, everything's heightened, right, you become a cat you
Speaker 8: feel everything, you hear everything.
Speaker 5: So I'm well, how about this one, Lisa, how about
Speaker 5: this one? You know how they're always talking about like
Speaker 5: adrenalized blood, you know, can get you high on its own.
Speaker 5: What if? What if they're they're murdering these people, they're
Speaker 5: scaring the shit out of them. They get them nice
Speaker 5: and adrenalized. They siphon off that adrenalized blood. Didn't they
Speaker 5: mix it with the peyote? They probably got the spirits
Speaker 5: coming out their asshole. Dude. That's why I think that
Speaker 5: they were really dabbling into some stuff.
Speaker 7: The chugging this this uh you know, this psychoedemic blood,
Speaker 7: and you know they're gonna they can convince some of whatever.
Speaker 7: It just sounds like a massive Mexican MK culture type experiment.
Speaker 5: That I'm right, That's what I was thinking.
Speaker 3: It was the proto, the proto.
Speaker 6: Yeah, she was.
Speaker 4: She was like, Yo, Charles Manson ain't got ship on me.
Speaker 1: You didn't have the good man. He was just dealing
Speaker 1: with that.
Speaker 4: Cias like, I'm slicing next for this ship.
Speaker 5: He has the generic ship. These guys are making. This
Speaker 5: is some homemade fucking concoctions and stuff. I'm I'm so intrigued.
Speaker 5: Right now, I cannot wait to hear how this ends.
Speaker 6: Okay, sorry, sorry, no, no worries, no worries. Unfortunately it
Speaker 6: is coming to an end now. So this, this whole charade,
Speaker 6: I don't even call her charade anymore because it's it's
Speaker 6: past that, right. This is like this, this nightmare. It
Speaker 6: went on for about six weeks and now the the
Speaker 6: guestimate of how many people were killed were anywhere between
Speaker 6: six to fourteen. I know that's like a large you know,
Speaker 6: it could be like six to eight or which would
Speaker 6: be small, but they say anywhere between six to fourteen.
Speaker 6: And it's really unknown because you know, there wasn't and
Speaker 6: you'll find out later. Is that a lot of people
Speaker 6: weren't talking about this. So now in May of nineteen
Speaker 6: sixty three, this is we're gonna go back to Selena.
Speaker 6: Now if remember Selena, Selena was the love interest of Magdalena. Okay,
Speaker 6: and so Selena ended up having a little fora with
Speaker 6: Santos Sernandez that was one of the original brothers, and
Speaker 6: Magdalena had kind of caught them and she was not
Speaker 6: happy about this. So now Magdalena kind of made this
Speaker 6: ultimatum and she said that for the riches to be presented,
Speaker 6: like if we are getting these riches, if we're giving
Speaker 6: you these wrenches riches, a true believer needed to be sacrificed, okay,
Speaker 6: and and this true believer, of course, would be rewarded
Speaker 6: in the heavens. That was That was the claim by Magdalena.
Speaker 6: So Magdalena got Selena onto the altar and bashed her
Speaker 6: head in with a rock.
Speaker 5: A woman scorned right, Hispanic woman. Oh, I'm sure, and.
Speaker 6: Like I said, this is where it kind of all
Speaker 6: humul like comes to the climax of it all. So
Speaker 6: what now while this is happening, there was a fourteen
Speaker 6: year old boy named Sebastian Guerrero and he was out
Speaker 6: exploring near the village of Bwene. Somebody was saying he's
Speaker 6: exploring or he was just walking to another nearby village,
Speaker 6: and that nearby village was called what was it called? Again,
Speaker 6: I have this I should know this Uhila La Gran Okay.
Speaker 6: So that's where he was, That's where he was going
Speaker 6: to be headed to. Now he was near the feet
Speaker 6: of the eastern Sierra Madre mountains and this area has
Speaker 6: tons of caves, and that's where they were doing a
Speaker 6: lot of these things. They weren't doing these these sacrifices
Speaker 6: right in the middle of the village. They were taking
Speaker 6: these to the caves. And now, yeah, so and these caves,
Speaker 6: I think I might have or I might have glazed over.
Speaker 6: This is that lot. There was lots of legends about
Speaker 6: these caves having hidden treasure. So this was something else
Speaker 6: that maybe these guys knew about or played on as well.
Speaker 6: And so it was dark, and Guerrero said he saw
Speaker 6: something that intrigued him. He saw these like these flickering
Speaker 6: lights coming from a nearby cave. And so as he
Speaker 6: got closer to this cave, he started hearing sounds. He
Speaker 6: started hearing humans, and not sounds of talking or singing,
Speaker 6: but he just heard some noises. He couldn't make it
Speaker 6: out really, And he also caught a whiff of like incense,
Speaker 6: probably copal, which was used by the astat too. And now,
Speaker 6: with this curiosity growing, he he, you know, pushed past
Speaker 6: pushed past his fear, and he approached the mouth of
Speaker 6: the cave and he he stayed really quiet and out
Speaker 6: of sight, and he cautiously peered inside the cave, and
Speaker 6: what he saw shocked him. Then inside the cave, he
Speaker 6: saw a ton of these villagers naked, all having sex
Speaker 6: while others were passing around like this ceremonial chalice, like
Speaker 6: this chalice, and they're drinking this dark fluid. And he says,
Speaker 6: at the far end of the cave, upon an altar,
Speaker 6: that's where he saw where the dark fluid was coming from.
Speaker 6: It was a human that had been hacked to pieces,
Speaker 6: so most likely Selena. And there was the final drops
Speaker 6: of the blood that were coming from her were being collected.
Speaker 6: Now standing above everyone on a rock inside this cave
Speaker 6: was Magdalena Solis and she was holding the heart of
Speaker 6: the victim of Selena. So that is there is this
Speaker 6: is it? Yeah? So Grero took off running, you know,
Speaker 6: he snuck out of there, made sure no one could
Speaker 6: hear him. So he took off running, and he ran
Speaker 6: the fifteen miles to the town of Bi La Grande, Okay.
Speaker 6: And that's where the closest police station was. And so
Speaker 6: when he got there, he tried explaining to the to
Speaker 6: the police what he saw, and he wasn't doing a
Speaker 6: very good job of it. He was saying, the villagers
Speaker 6: were drinking blood like vampires. And you know, if you
Speaker 6: heard this from this kid, you know, like this fourteen
Speaker 6: year old boy, You're like, uh, whatever, you know, And
Speaker 6: that's what the police did. They actually laughed at him.
Speaker 6: They thought, they kind of said that his imagination was
Speaker 6: getting the best of him. They're like no, no, So
Speaker 6: they didn't believe him, but he wouldn't stop. So he
Speaker 6: just kept on insisting that something horrific was going on
Speaker 6: in these caves. So finally the next day, finally the
Speaker 6: one inspector, Luis Martinez, he said, okay, okay, I'll go
Speaker 6: with you to check it out, okay, And that was
Speaker 6: the last that anybody had seen or heard from them
Speaker 6: ever again of.
Speaker 5: The police officer or the police.
Speaker 6: Of the police officer and the boy, they disappeared because
Speaker 6: the boy had to go back to show him this.
Speaker 6: So the boy, you know, like, how brave was this
Speaker 6: kid to go back and this police officer went with them,
Speaker 6: so neither would be seen alive again.
Speaker 1: That was it.
Speaker 6: That was the last they saw, damn.
Speaker 5: So they got a blood ritual on them too, yes, yes,
Speaker 5: And so the police went to go look for this
Speaker 5: other guy, right, and they found okay, yeah.
Speaker 6: So following that then the police indvi La Grand they
Speaker 6: they realized that their inspector is not coming back, so
Speaker 6: they knew something was going on. They reached out and
Speaker 6: contacted Alberto Gomez. He was a police inspector in Monterrey,
Speaker 6: and with his help, they organized a police and military operation. Okay,
Speaker 6: because like they brought in a helicopter and everything, and
Speaker 6: they brought in like a couple of battalions of military men.
Speaker 6: They knew something was going on. Then, you know, they
Speaker 6: actually then believed that this boy was telling them some truth.
Speaker 6: So what happened then, now this is like the ultimate
Speaker 6: ultimate showdown. So the it led to a shootout, you know,
Speaker 6: where the one brother, Santo Ernandez was shot and killed.
Speaker 6: He was they were doing the shootout and he was
Speaker 6: trying to run away. They killed him, and so guy
Speaker 6: at Dano, which is the other brother, and Jesus Roberto,
Speaker 6: which was the one villager who knew everything was he
Speaker 6: knew what was going on. They they they ran off
Speaker 6: and they hit and they got away. But and what
Speaker 6: their plan was to wait till this all blew over.
Speaker 6: We're gonna go hide in this case and wait for
Speaker 6: it ultimolo over and then they could you know, come
Speaker 6: back and regain control of this town again after the
Speaker 6: military and the police left. But that's where greed takes control.
Speaker 6: But Jesus took it upon himself to well, I can
Speaker 6: now be in controlled. So he actually killed Guya Dano,
Speaker 6: So he used a rock and murdered him. So that
Speaker 6: was you know, like this has just gone absolute off
Speaker 6: the rails. Now. So the police and the military they
Speaker 6: find Magdalena and her brother and they are high as
Speaker 6: a kite off their rockers in a house. Okay, so
Speaker 6: they arrest them and they also discover Jesus as well,
Speaker 6: and so they arrest him as well. Now all the
Speaker 6: maining villagers were arrested. A few were killed in the
Speaker 6: shootout though, so that is what happened. They arrested every
Speaker 6: single person of this town. Every single person was arrested,
Speaker 6: which is crazy, you know, they took everybody away. Yeah,
Speaker 6: so that's where we say that at this point that
Speaker 6: is kind of like, oh, they didn't get out.
Speaker 5: On like good behavior or anything, did they No?
Speaker 6: And unfortunately, so unfortunately the trail runs cold as to
Speaker 6: what exactly happened to Magdalena, Like I can tell you
Speaker 6: what happened in courts and that. So, so what happened
Speaker 6: is the so they they took them to court and
Speaker 6: Magdalena was sentenced to fit. Magdalena and alas are alis
Speaker 6: Are were convicted of two murders and sentenced to fifty
Speaker 6: years in prison. Now, the villagers wouldn't testify against Magdalena
Speaker 6: because they were still terrified that we should do something
Speaker 6: to them. They thought they still were convinced she was
Speaker 6: a god, so they did nothing. Yeah, and allegedly the
Speaker 6: authorities discovered the mutilated bodies of several victims, including Guerrero
Speaker 6: and the investigator, near the cult ritual sites. Now that
Speaker 6: is not really one hundred percent, So that is, it
Speaker 6: wasn't sure if they actually found them or not. That's
Speaker 6: you hear from multiple people that some people say no,
Speaker 6: they never found them, or yes they did so, but
Speaker 6: it is they did find mutilated bodies of some of
Speaker 6: the victims, and that's why we get such a random
Speaker 6: number between six to fourteen.
Speaker 5: She didn't get let out though.
Speaker 6: Right, No, no, Now, the so her and her brother
Speaker 6: got fifty years and the remaining cult members, including Haesus,
Speaker 6: were given thirty year sentences. Okay, And and the reason
Speaker 6: why they got thirty instead of fifties because there's considerations
Speaker 6: giving to their illiteracy and impoverished backgrounds. They felt sorry
Speaker 6: for them, but they they put everyone in jail like
Speaker 6: that was almost a life sentence for most of them. Now,
Speaker 6: Magdalena ended up disappearing in the system. Like I was saying,
Speaker 6: they don't really know what happened to her or where
Speaker 6: she actually went, so that you know that ads.
Speaker 5: Yeah, suspect to me, like they let her ass out
Speaker 5: right or something about the studio?
Speaker 1: You too, man, we had any of the details here,
Speaker 1: sounds like this might have been.
Speaker 6: A large scale affair, like where are these folks?
Speaker 7: It was?
Speaker 6: It ended really arsenal from It ended really really fast,
Speaker 6: is from what I understand. It was over very quick.
Speaker 6: It wasn't a you know, I'm sure some of them
Speaker 6: had some rifles and that was it. So they said
Speaker 6: a shootout, but I'm assuming this a couple of them
Speaker 6: had rifles and the rest of them maybe had machetes
Speaker 6: and other tool implements to try to a good attack.
Speaker 7: But they all because when you said shootout, I was thinking, well,
Speaker 7: they've already got peyoti and marijuana, they running drugs and
Speaker 7: second guns up.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was because that, Yeah, it was because of
Speaker 6: the cartel in the beginning. Who's who's to say that
Speaker 6: they didn't have any weapons left over from the cartel
Speaker 6: when the cartel was there. You know, they might have
Speaker 6: left some things.
Speaker 7: They might have been the new owners of the cartail, right,
Speaker 7: new franchise owners of that operation.
Speaker 6: Exactly.
Speaker 8: I'm trying to think. Was it was it golf cartel
Speaker 8: that was still in power nineteen sixties in that area.
Speaker 3: I don't know that.
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 5: It's so similar to a Dolpho, isn't it.
Speaker 4: It is, thank you, thank you, very so similar.
Speaker 5: And they let that guy go. I mean they faked,
Speaker 5: he faked his death and they let him go. And
Speaker 5: it's like they lost this girl in the system.
Speaker 2: Are you she is?
Speaker 6: Yeah, one, no one knows, No one knows where she No.
Speaker 5: One knows because they fucking let her out, dude, for
Speaker 5: one hundred they let her out, or they didn't even
Speaker 5: the trial didn't even happen, and they didn't even you
Speaker 5: know what I mean.
Speaker 6: It's like, I'm sure the trial happened, but they just
Speaker 6: shipped her in the I don't know, maybe she conjured
Speaker 6: up some some Aztec goddess ship.
Speaker 5: Then she conjured up a government. I'm telling you, we
Speaker 5: got to look into it because he knows somebody, somebody knew.
Speaker 6: Her, or maybe maybe there were some supernatural powers granted
Speaker 6: by the drinking of this and they brought her in
Speaker 6: to study her further.
Speaker 5: Well, they could be studying the ship out of her.
Speaker 5: But she's somewhere and they let it. They let her
Speaker 5: ask go.
Speaker 3: Or she, in my opinion, the oracle of a drug lord.
Speaker 6: Something.
Speaker 5: They love that ship. There's no way you're gonna let
Speaker 5: a cult leader like this go because if they let
Speaker 5: Adolpho go, why would they let her? Why would they
Speaker 5: put her up like she's got a whole ass you know,
Speaker 5: cult behind her death cult.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, that drinks the blood.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 6: One thing to know about this is that there is
Speaker 6: so many stories out there. Trying to find the truth
Speaker 6: is extremely difficult because it you know, with legends and
Speaker 6: even conspiracies. You know, everybody adds into the pot and
Speaker 6: it gets so difficult to actually find the truth. And
Speaker 6: being in conspiracies, I'm sure you guys know that. You
Speaker 6: know the government will throw in three quarters of those
Speaker 6: conspiracies to really throw us off the trail. You know,
Speaker 6: they try to redirect us and who's who's to say that,
Speaker 6: you know, when you're searching for this, that's not it.
Speaker 6: And like to to add creatas to that. You know,
Speaker 6: when when you google Magdalena Solas and the picture that
Speaker 6: comes up, I would say, you know, seventy five percent
Speaker 6: of the pictures that come up are not Magdalena Solis. Okay,
Speaker 6: it's Dagmar ogle Be and who was a Danish serial
Speaker 6: killer who died thirty years before all this happened.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 6: So if you google it and you see this one picture,
Speaker 6: it's not that's not her. That's not her.
Speaker 1: Right now, I'm already there.
Speaker 6: Let me uh I had I had that open, but
Speaker 6: I'm gonna.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I remember hearing that on your show, and I went
Speaker 4: to go check and I did notice two different pictures.
Speaker 4: But there is one that it seemed to have a
Speaker 4: lot more.
Speaker 5: Is there a big Is it a big fat lady
Speaker 5: in a pink dress?
Speaker 6: No? No, so no sogdala. You'll see one where she's
Speaker 6: got like a lace top and a bow on her front.
Speaker 6: That's not that's a that is a Dagmar. That's Dagmar, okay.
Speaker 6: So the other one, yes, who has the mole, the
Speaker 6: one who has the mole is Magdalena Solas?
Speaker 4: Yes, that is weird though if you were to like
Speaker 4: put in Magdalene and Sola's I have incident, and then
Speaker 4: in Google and I went over to images, you'll see, Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's public. I would say on my end, it's about
Speaker 4: half and half that is wild that you will see
Speaker 4: might actually be more of the other.
Speaker 5: One.
Speaker 6: That's exactly it. I agree. It's always about this confusion
Speaker 6: and misdirection to take you into a different way to
Speaker 6: when you're doing any type of research. You know, like
Speaker 6: I talk about that with like think about Walt Disney.
Speaker 6: You know, is Walt Disney frozen? Is his body croyogenantically frozen? Well,
Speaker 6: why don't you type in Walt Disney frozen and see
Speaker 6: what comes up? Oh, we got the cartoon frozen. You know,
Speaker 6: it's all about these like we'll take you here. It
Speaker 6: just makes it a little more difficult to actually find
Speaker 6: the truth.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: They even did a I don't know if you watch this,
Speaker 5: but they did an American Dad episode on that about
Speaker 5: like I did not Disney being frozen in the theme park.
Speaker 5: And but anyways, let me just ask you your person opinion.
Speaker 5: I don't know where you were ade on the conspiracy stream.
Speaker 5: But are you more spiritual with this?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 5: Us too? But like if you had to look at
Speaker 5: it from like a spiritual perspective, if you had to
Speaker 5: look at it from you know, they've added spices to this,
Speaker 5: and maybe some of it is you know, just made up.
Speaker 5: Like what what do you think about all of it?
Speaker 6: Well, bottom line is that there was some people who
Speaker 6: went off the rails after drinking blood. I believe that
Speaker 6: blood drinking happened for sure. Okay we human drug blood drinking. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I think that happened as well. Whether it came down
Speaker 6: to the actual heart coming up, there is stories about that,
Speaker 6: and they did have the mutilated bodies. But I believe
Speaker 6: that a lot of this legitimately happened. To what degree
Speaker 6: was it fantasized and escalated and made a lot more
Speaker 6: I don't know, Hollywood esque, I can't say. But there
Speaker 6: was a group of people who took over a town
Speaker 6: and they killed and murdered a lot of people. Now
Speaker 6: I'm on the I'm on the boat of that. There
Speaker 6: definitely was some form of possession in there. I believe
Speaker 6: there was some sort of demonic possession, especially when they
Speaker 6: started drinking the blood of these animals or these for
Speaker 6: sure the blood of the people, you know, like that
Speaker 6: is one. And when you talked about like they had
Speaker 6: drenalized a blood, you know that is something else that
Speaker 6: well we know that it it gives people a high, right,
Speaker 6: It's not only you're mixing with coyote, You're you're having
Speaker 6: this this this high as well. And I'm I'm I
Speaker 6: believe that there was definitely some possession. And you know,
Speaker 6: was she actually possessed by a demon or or was
Speaker 6: she believing this was you know, herself. I think she
Speaker 6: became you know, I don't know, drunk with power and
Speaker 6: and it just took it over. It took her over,
Speaker 6: and she allowed herself to be She loved herself to
Speaker 6: be a receptacle for a entity.
Speaker 5: I yeah, I would agree with you on that. It
Speaker 5: kind of reminds me of did you ever watch the
Speaker 5: movie The Mist Stephen King?
Speaker 6: I know the movie, but I have not watched it.
Speaker 5: It's basically like if you get a small group of
Speaker 5: people together. There was one superligious lady who ended up
Speaker 5: like saying, you know, oh, we got we got to
Speaker 5: make the grave sacrifices, right, you know what I'm talking
Speaker 5: about Nick, and it always comes. It always ends up
Speaker 5: in like blood sacrifices because there were these monster things
Speaker 5: outside of this grocery store that lived in the mist
Speaker 5: or whatever. And she would say, you know, we have
Speaker 5: to throw one person out and let them get eaten
Speaker 5: and you know, fucked up by this creature so it
Speaker 5: won't get us. And it's like anytime you get like
Speaker 5: you take a small group of people, you put one
Speaker 5: religious wacko in the middle, it always ends up in
Speaker 5: like blood sacrificing, And you know, it's just it makes
Speaker 5: you think, how many times has this story story repeated
Speaker 5: itself throughout history and we still don't get it. I
Speaker 5: almost feel like COVID was one of those things. It's like,
Speaker 5: put people in mass hysteria, give us one fucking weirdo
Speaker 5: that's got all the answers, and watch everybody eat each
Speaker 5: other alive. It's just I don't know, It's it's just
Speaker 5: like a tale is old as.
Speaker 6: Time, like, and your blood sacrifices will lock all the
Speaker 6: old people in the old Folks Home. Got this COVID here?
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 6: Crazy.
Speaker 8: I will say that the type of activity with the
Speaker 8: killing and the mutilation and the ritualized dismemberment and something
Speaker 8: it and not not that I'm trying to normalize it,
Speaker 8: but it is common among cartels. I mean, I think
Speaker 8: in some respects, I think people had even said that
Speaker 8: the that the ritual killings of cartels was worse than isis.
Speaker 8: And so I do know from living in South Texas
Speaker 8: that there were many times that people came upon sites
Speaker 8: that were witnessed to what was left behind and it
Speaker 8: was not, you know, obviously easy to look at, but
Speaker 8: and this is something that's common.
Speaker 3: And I think somebody.
Speaker 8: I'll even go off and speculate that they had said, what,
Speaker 8: you know, what do you think is happening?
Speaker 3: And they said, well, I.
Speaker 8: Think the the people, the asset people have come back
Speaker 8: right to reclaim and because of the type of stylized killing,
Speaker 8: the type of stylized whatever. And so when you hear
Speaker 8: about things like this with Mantdalna, you hear about adultfo
Speaker 8: you hear about these things, it's almost like like lockstep.
Speaker 8: You know that it's just a continuation of what was
Speaker 8: happening back then. But it is very unusual that she
Speaker 8: kind of fell through the cracks or slipped through the system. Conveniently,
Speaker 8: maybe out of her own know, kind of wits to
Speaker 8: kind of slip out, or somebody picked her up, or
Speaker 8: you know, maybe it was an opt to begin with
Speaker 8: and somebody picked her up.
Speaker 5: Dude, I'm leaning that way.
Speaker 8: To the east side, and you're going to try it
Speaker 8: on some higher level people.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 5: Well, it's it's like I've been saying this recently, and
Speaker 5: I just I feel like it fits this because we
Speaker 5: can speculate, right, and they'll call it like you're speculating,
Speaker 5: you know, you're adding stuff that we can't verify. But
Speaker 5: they there has been such a concerted effort to get
Speaker 5: us to not believe our own eyes and not being
Speaker 5: able to put clues together and like not be able
Speaker 5: to take like storylines and infer detail, Like you're giving
Speaker 5: me this story, right, and you want me not to
Speaker 5: believe my own eyes. It bothers me because it's like, yeah, okay,
Speaker 5: maybe I'm speculating, but it's like Adolpho, Okay, Okay, they
Speaker 5: obviously faked that motherfucker's death, right he escaped with the
Speaker 5: Only thing this story is missing about Magdalena is like
Speaker 5: she turned out to be trans in the end. It
Speaker 5: has all the freaking bookmarks of like don't believe your
Speaker 5: own eyes, don't look over here. Nothing, just a bunch
Speaker 5: of crazy people and you know, and she got lost
Speaker 5: in the system. But believe us, she's in jail, okay,
Speaker 5: because you said so. And it's just like, what really
Speaker 5: was going on out there? You know, I'm starting to
Speaker 5: lean towards this could have been another like program to
Speaker 5: kill Colt, just like Adolfo and all those places. And
Speaker 5: what was it, I said, Lisa, where they had the
Speaker 5: sweat shops and they were like killing the workers and
Speaker 5: shit was it? Yeah, warez Yep and wares and they
Speaker 5: were stealing all the factory workers and like selling them
Speaker 5: for mut mutual ritual ritual killings and stuff. But it
Speaker 5: just seems to me like they have a plan out
Speaker 5: there and they're able to get away with more stuff
Speaker 5: because they're not like keeping up with shit like this
Speaker 5: is the first time I've ever heard about this. Why
Speaker 5: you know.
Speaker 6: What, because this one has been covered up greatly. Like
Speaker 6: my my brother in law, he's a Mexican and he
Speaker 6: is into all of this kind of dark conspiracy stuff,
Speaker 6: you know, like these things specifically, he had no idea,
Speaker 6: He had no idea. The only person who I talked
Speaker 6: to from this area who knew anything was a thirteen
Speaker 6: year old boy who loves history. He is he just
Speaker 6: you know, takes in any and all history, and he's
Speaker 6: the only one who knew about it. No one else
Speaker 6: had any idea about this at all.
Speaker 5: And it's like, do these people not have families? Like
Speaker 5: does Magdalene? It was just her brother, like no family members, No, like, well,
Speaker 5: brother if her.
Speaker 6: Brother's pimping are out at twelve years old, you know,
Speaker 6: I'm I'm thinking the family really wasn't there or around
Speaker 6: as much.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I mean, you're probably right about that.
Speaker 7: And I'm not surprised she get lost in the system
Speaker 7: there in prison, because this lady's clearly and I asked
Speaker 7: that she's very effective at what she was doing.
Speaker 6: Yes, or she convinced someone, or she was able to
Speaker 6: convince someone, you know, to to take her in, you know,
Speaker 6: like some sort of public official. She was able to
Speaker 6: convince a lot of Yeah.
Speaker 1: Not just the prostitution ones.
Speaker 8: The prison system in Mexico is is a very loose system, correct,
Speaker 8: It's I think the rumor was that in the prison
Speaker 8: systems in Mexico, you could you know, show up on
Speaker 8: the weekends or show up every other day, or do
Speaker 8: you know you had all kinds of luxuries in the
Speaker 8: prison system.
Speaker 3: Correct me if I'm wrong, But.
Speaker 6: I believe the luxuries. I'm not sure about showing up though,
Speaker 6: And like.
Speaker 3: When I was, I was trying to be loose about it,
Speaker 3: but yeah, real real quick.
Speaker 4: When I was, I did hear from a lot of dudes,
Speaker 4: when I believe it or not. When I was in
Speaker 4: federal prison, there was actually a fuck ton of people
Speaker 4: waiting to get deported. Believe it, there is a ton
Speaker 4: of people wasting up space in prison actually that are
Speaker 4: not here legally. And they oh, it was so many
Speaker 4: it was ridiculous. I hate to say, but if they
Speaker 4: had brown skin in federal prison, it was like odds
Speaker 4: are it was cocaine or you're really illegal re entry.
Speaker 8: There?
Speaker 4: Yeah, they wait years to even get fucking sent home.
Speaker 1: It's ridiculous. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Fuck, I forgot where I was going, but I saw
Speaker 4: I was able to talk to a lot of dudes
Speaker 4: I actually did time in Mexican prison, and they'll be
Speaker 4: The thing is is that a lot of them it
Speaker 4: was already their second or third time too, which is
Speaker 4: really interesting. And like sometimes when you go back you
Speaker 4: will have to do time in your own, you know,
Speaker 4: good country. And they were saying, for a fact is
Speaker 4: that if you have money and you end up in
Speaker 4: Mexican prison, you will live a completely different life than
Speaker 4: everybody else in there does. They said, there's people that
Speaker 4: they know that if like they're rich and they can
Speaker 4: hold their money, like they're rich enough to where they'll
Speaker 4: be rich until they get out, they'll knock a wall
Speaker 4: down and give them two selves if you want to
Speaker 4: pay for it, still bring up prostitutes, still bringing food.
Speaker 4: They said, if you have money, you will live completely
Speaker 4: different in Mexican prison.
Speaker 6: They'll bring in stuff as well that it definitely hurts.
Speaker 4: Yeah, hey, guys told me that that They definitely I
Speaker 4: mean again, that whole thing was not going to wall down.
Speaker 4: I don't know about that, but like that does sound extreme,
Speaker 4: But I've had multiple people tell me that, like sex
Speaker 4: in food is still an option while you're in that prison.
Speaker 5: Well, is it just for rich people or yeah?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 5: Is it just who you know though?
Speaker 4: Too, because like they said, you just got to have money.
Speaker 5: Stories Actually I haven't heard stories I read in program
Speaker 5: to Kill some of these programmed like CIA serial killers,
Speaker 5: they get the most luxurious treatment when they're even even
Speaker 5: on death row, like John Wayne Gacy, Ted Bundy, they
Speaker 5: all got like this super luxurious treatment while they were
Speaker 5: locked up, and it's like, is it who you know
Speaker 5: or is it who your connections are? Or is it
Speaker 5: like John Wayne Gacy got some crazy like luxurious treatment
Speaker 5: and like Ted Bundy had a kid on death row,
Speaker 5: like he had conjugals, he had all that stuff, and
Speaker 5: it's like, I don't know. Sometimes I think even in
Speaker 5: Mexican prisons, it's like Magdalena probably you know, who knows
Speaker 5: what happened to her, But it's all in who who
Speaker 5: your connections are.
Speaker 6: Maybe they got that was definitely one like one of
Speaker 6: my my questions is you know, did she keep up
Speaker 6: this facade or his belief that she was this god?
Speaker 4: I was like, is she still portraying this in jail?
Speaker 4: Is she like kicking back, drinking blood, still like paying
Speaker 4: off the guards.
Speaker 6: Let's say you believed it so hard, I'm sure you
Speaker 6: could convince people in jail that you were this person,
Speaker 6: you know, and then you're going to start getting people
Speaker 6: to to uh to follow suit, because I'm assuming if
Speaker 6: you're going to a woman's federal penitentiary. You know, there's
Speaker 6: not the education level is going to be quite low there,
Speaker 6: and you're just going to keep applying your trade.
Speaker 5: And she's already a lesibo, so it's like paradise for
Speaker 5: her plenty of.
Speaker 8: But even if even if she was wasn't able to
Speaker 8: convince him of God, I would think that she would
Speaker 8: have at least some sort of Bruhidia tactics or tools
Speaker 8: and would somehow convince people, even in prison, of like,
Speaker 8: oh you want this person to I don't lose their hair.
Speaker 8: I mean, you want this person to like belly over whatever.
Speaker 8: You know, let me, let me show you a few
Speaker 8: things and then just right away you can get people
Speaker 8: on your side.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 7: I just can't believe this lady's said in prison. I mean,
Speaker 7: I understand the systems of a different there, but she
Speaker 7: just to me, she seems like she has too many
Speaker 7: skill sets, you know, and compare comparatively speaking, like, I
Speaker 7: don't think Charles Manson ever went to prison.
Speaker 1: It's kind of a different story since you see videos
Speaker 1: of men.
Speaker 7: I don't think he in prison, but he's never following
Speaker 7: the the penal coat standards of hair length and beard
Speaker 7: length and et cetera.
Speaker 6: So I've noticed that too.
Speaker 7: To the note of preferential treatment is his right hand man,
Speaker 7: Bobby Bosley, was somehow able to record a soundtrack to
Speaker 7: a Kenneth Anger film while in prison.
Speaker 5: See this is the ship I'm talking about. It's all
Speaker 5: who you know? And like did they even go to jail?
Speaker 5: That's another question for me, is like did they even
Speaker 5: go to jail?
Speaker 4: Dude?
Speaker 6: Like it's I have not gone down.
Speaker 5: You gotta you gotta have us on your show. We will.
Speaker 6: Open since opened some minds. Hell yeah, did you guys?
Speaker 5: See they're putting Chaos on Netflix. Dude, I can't wait
Speaker 5: for that.
Speaker 6: Wow.
Speaker 7: Okay, I don't have a I don't have a lot
Speaker 7: of not very optimistic about it, you know.
Speaker 1: He uh went.
Speaker 7: For example, when Tom Neil introduced the project, he did
Speaker 7: it on Rick Rubin's podcast, and then they got into
Speaker 7: this offhanded tangent of how they both didn't know anything
Speaker 7: about the process despite Tom's twenty year researching to Manson
Speaker 7: and Rick Rubbin literally producing an album called The Process
Speaker 7: based upon the Process Church theology. But they both played
Speaker 7: these games and we don't we don't know what the
Speaker 7: process is. So i'm very I'm not very optimistic in
Speaker 7: that project because you know, not solely based on their
Speaker 7: their little conversation, but you know, it obviously seems exhibit
Speaker 7: what I think's going on there.
Speaker 5: Well, you know what I always say, as soon as
Speaker 5: a documentary hits HBO or Netflix, you can count on
Speaker 5: it being one dog shit, fucking propaganda bull that no
Speaker 5: actual facts at all. Like watch him come out with
Speaker 5: a documentary on Magdalene as Sole. You watch it and
Speaker 5: you think it's all just a bunch into like hate
Speaker 5: grey degree doc bullshit that they put in all HBO
Speaker 5: Netflix documentaries. I mean, all they have to have, like
Speaker 5: I always say, is good background music, a couple of
Speaker 5: scary images and they got you. It's it's brainwashing. Its
Speaker 5: m K to the max with those things.
Speaker 6: It's like.
Speaker 1: That's what I was gonna Yeah, is there not that
Speaker 1: I know?
Speaker 6: No, it's not a wild now. You know, when you're
Speaker 6: talking about those terrible documentaries, you know, like the MH
Speaker 6: three seventy, the Malaysian airlines that went missing, the documentary
Speaker 6: they had on Netflix, you know, it's like we're just
Speaker 6: gonna go here and leave it at this we're not
Speaker 6: gonna go actually fully into full like everything, and they
Speaker 6: leave you believing that this was all is all possible,
Speaker 6: like it just crashed. That's it.
Speaker 5: Nothing more right, a fire event or something.
Speaker 6: Like that, and it just cra you know. I do
Speaker 6: believe there was a fire event. I do believe there
Speaker 6: with that H three seventy that there was a fire event.
Speaker 5: There was a fire event. But it's not. It wasn't
Speaker 5: what they're making it out to be. Because well, let
Speaker 5: me just tell you this. I almost got to chills
Speaker 5: when you said that, because I've been researching it and
Speaker 5: I'm actually thinking it's more like I heard a guy
Speaker 5: talking about it. I think it was on the Confessionals podcast,
Speaker 5: but he's Forbes. Yeah, oh my god. The guy's got
Speaker 5: it nailed with like the physics and everything, like they
Speaker 5: disappeared that motherfucker, like the Bermuda triangle.
Speaker 6: So just recently he was on Candice Owens and he goes, yeah,
Speaker 6: much more detail, and he's amazing. I talked to him
Speaker 6: after he was on the Confessionals. I was trying to
Speaker 6: get him on my show. I never I never followed
Speaker 6: through well that actually, that was the point where I
Speaker 6: was I had another show and I had a co host,
Speaker 6: and I ended that relationship and I started my own show,
Speaker 6: and I never followed up with Ash, and I should
Speaker 6: have at that time, because now he's I think he's
Speaker 6: almost too big for me to get on at this
Speaker 6: He's a hot commodity. He is he is, Yeah, I
Speaker 6: mean he went.
Speaker 5: All the way to like he found the CIA guy
Speaker 5: and everything on that. I mean, but I'm glad that
Speaker 5: you know about that because it makes me think you're
Speaker 5: on the level with like the conspiracy stuff. Because even
Speaker 5: with stuff like the True crime I always say, if
Speaker 5: you look hard enough at true crime, you'll see remnants
Speaker 5: of conspiracy in there. I mean, it's like military connections,
Speaker 5: government connections. Which is why I asked you right in
Speaker 5: the beginning of this episode, like these brothers, like what
Speaker 5: do we know about him? Dude, Like it just seems
Speaker 5: a little odd, like this scam they're trying to find
Speaker 5: these isolated places to conduct like almost like a mind experiment.
Speaker 6: It just when you're talking, I really believe that mk
Speaker 6: Ultra plays a much bigger role than we really believe,
Speaker 6: you know, because mk Aultra was the mixing of drugs
Speaker 6: with the mixing of drugs and psychedelics to to implant
Speaker 6: messages into people. Right, So with all these medications that
Speaker 6: people are taking now, like like candy now these days,
Speaker 6: you know, and with everything that's on TV, I'm sure
Speaker 6: that they're implanting a ton of messages into these people.
Speaker 6: And I believe that MK ultra is much bigger than
Speaker 6: we actually care to believe. I think it's huge.
Speaker 1: I think it's still going on for sure.
Speaker 6: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Well there's an example of it going on in and
Speaker 1: around Mexico. In recent years.
Speaker 7: The Nexium cult was shipping kids to and from Albany,
Speaker 7: New York on their locations to child farms in Mexico.
Speaker 7: They were employing a neurologist up there in Albany to
Speaker 7: do a lot of the training for their membership.
Speaker 6: He was running the Finders Club.
Speaker 5: Finders Club was running kids in and out of Mexico.
Speaker 4: Dude, you know, I was thinking about that, I swear
Speaker 4: to god, I was thinking about that because I do
Speaker 4: find it interesting how this is two dudes and I
Speaker 4: remember the Finders I think, well, it seemed to base
Speaker 4: on in court if I remember correctly, it was two
Speaker 4: guys again and it's just like I'm like, yo, like,
Speaker 4: is there like an operation behind this? And these are
Speaker 4: just like the faces like kind of like the run,
Speaker 4: you know, the running it.
Speaker 5: We need to take a closer look at these Hernandez brothers.
Speaker 5: I bet they both got their dick sweat in some
Speaker 5: kind of a government CIA type you know, they you know,
Speaker 5: they had to do it.
Speaker 6: And the backstory, you know what, Like the more you
Speaker 6: talk about this, like I didn't approach it like that,
Speaker 6: but the more you talk about it, I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 6: like why not you know, like knowing the right to
Speaker 6: you know, uh, you're but buena to give people. You know,
Speaker 6: it's kind of like, yeah, we're going to drug you
Speaker 6: up and then put these suggestions into you. And it's
Speaker 6: it's interesting, you know, like they just the backstory, they're
Speaker 6: hands brothers, They're just these lifelong career scam artists. Could
Speaker 6: they be something more? Yeah?
Speaker 5: Want to recruit those exactly, JJ, You're fucking on fire.
Speaker 5: That's exactly what I was gonna say. You'd want to
Speaker 5: recruit people that are lifelong scam.
Speaker 6: Artists, dam artists.
Speaker 5: They're just gonna say it was a lifelong scam artist, dude.
Speaker 5: That's those are the perfect people. Okay, let's let's talk
Speaker 5: like logically, I'm gonna start a cult tomorrow. All of
Speaker 5: you assholes are part of my cult. We're going to
Speaker 5: start a cold tomorrow.
Speaker 3: I am doing the drinking.
Speaker 5: Where Okay, let's just think about it. Where can we
Speaker 5: go right now? That you all know that's got no electricity,
Speaker 5: no form of religion, no like they just need it.
Speaker 6: Sounds like how did they know?
Speaker 4: How did they do back then?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 5: They know? It's like this, this ship is always guided,
Speaker 5: it's always manipulated. It's like, oh, these two brothers stumbled
Speaker 5: upon this place with no form.
Speaker 6: Here's something to add to that. Here's something to add
Speaker 6: to that. So prior was you know, the the the
Speaker 6: cartel was in there, right, and they got ran out
Speaker 6: by the federalies. The federalllies were there to remove them, right,
Speaker 6: So the federllies already had scoped this place. Is kind
Speaker 6: of what what we're if you're going with that. They
Speaker 6: were there already, They seen this place, they see maybe
Speaker 6: the potential for this.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah they did, and they maybe they let him
Speaker 5: let them know, like they gave them a leg up
Speaker 5: on it, and they just you know, hey, there's this
Speaker 5: place and they don't have a last I feel like
Speaker 5: you were going to say something earlier.
Speaker 3: No, yeah, just a couple of things.
Speaker 8: What I was going to add to the conspiracy lore
Speaker 8: that we're espousing now. I looked at Magdalena really quickly
Speaker 8: on Wikipedia. I don't know if it's true, but it
Speaker 8: says that she was born in nineteen forty seven. I
Speaker 8: was like, what if she's the moon child?
Speaker 3: Why pars? Oh god, I'm just kidding. Okay.
Speaker 8: So the other thing I was going to say is
Speaker 8: really was born in forty seven? But that's yeah, now.
Speaker 1: You're Nazis in Mexican for yes.
Speaker 3: They were.
Speaker 8: And so did any of the village people say anything,
Speaker 8: like did they were?
Speaker 3: They questioned?
Speaker 6: I mean so the village the village people, Uh, well yeah,
Speaker 6: they they kept quiet. They would not testify. They just
Speaker 6: took their lumps and went went to prison. They would not.
Speaker 5: Was it like Manson? And they fucking washed those bitches
Speaker 5: And they didn't have any fucking memory of this shit.
Speaker 5: Like what if they didn't what if they couldn't tell
Speaker 5: anything because they didn't remember it? Like I'm just I'm
Speaker 5: going like above and beyond at this point because something
Speaker 5: like this doesn't break loose and they're not be like
Speaker 5: strings being pulled in some capacity. It's like they got
Speaker 5: all these assholes in there and they like did like
Speaker 5: men in black and you don't remember or anything, and
Speaker 5: they're like, did this woman kill all these people? I
Speaker 5: don't know, No she didn't.
Speaker 2: Who.
Speaker 5: Like, It's it's so easy for them to totally wipe
Speaker 5: you of that stuff. I almost think that they do
Speaker 5: it to us on a daily basis. How many people
Speaker 5: do you know right now?
Speaker 4: Who?
Speaker 5: If you ask them, they're like, damn, doesn't it feel
Speaker 5: like COVID was forever ago and we've gotten so used
Speaker 5: to like getting back to normal life. It's like it
Speaker 5: never happened. It's like, dude, no, let's always remember that
Speaker 5: shit because it wasn't forever. It was like in our
Speaker 5: recent past, like within five years, and we we you
Speaker 5: know remember, yeah right, you know.
Speaker 6: So I will never forget that bullshit that they tried
Speaker 6: to putting on me now, and I'll never forget the people,
Speaker 6: including my family, who disowned me almost because of it.
Speaker 5: All oh one hundred.
Speaker 6: That's the I know. I probably all you guys all
Speaker 6: have experienced that where it was you know, out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a little surprised. There's no kool aid. And in
Speaker 1: the end of the story with these village people, no.
Speaker 3: Right, the kool aid was a blund you know what I'm.
Speaker 1: Saying, But get rid of all. The eye could even
Speaker 1: be questioned, right, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: See see Jim Jones, what's your name is?
Speaker 8: Sam Magdalena. She he ain't got shoot on Jim Jones.
Speaker 8: She went for the real dude, Jim Jones passing around
Speaker 8: kool aid. That's that's what it's about. She went for
Speaker 8: the hard stuff.
Speaker 7: It is a surprising that, I mean, it could speak
Speaker 7: to this stranglehole this lady had on the mentally speaking
Speaker 7: under my control.
Speaker 1: But like you know, surprising.
Speaker 7: None of these village folks said a damn word, or
Speaker 7: at least you know, probably seems like they said a
Speaker 7: damn word.
Speaker 1: It sounds like, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 8: It's weird that they didn't say anything, or the kids
Speaker 8: or somebody you know, said something.
Speaker 5: Unless they got fucking wiped, dude, unless they got wiped
Speaker 5: for somehow the other.
Speaker 6: Way, Every every member of the village was put into
Speaker 6: prison for thirty years.
Speaker 5: That's plenty enough time to do you've.
Speaker 6: Limited and which which brings a question like you've eliminated
Speaker 6: everybody for thirty years? How did that?
Speaker 3: How did you think about it?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 6: And how did that?
Speaker 8: That's a full on sanitation effort.
Speaker 4: That's a good way just to clean out subjects all town.
Speaker 4: What if there was something there that they actually wanted?
Speaker 5: Yeah, but it's like risa, like how did the legend survive?
Speaker 5: How did the how did the town survive?
Speaker 6: As well? You know if you remove everyone, because you
Speaker 6: go there and you can search it, you can find
Speaker 6: your but Buena and San Luis Potosi, it is it.
Speaker 6: It's bigger now, you know, it's growing. So that was
Speaker 6: sixty three. What did they resettle it? Did they bring
Speaker 6: in people from outside? Like, hey, look at free houses
Speaker 6: here you go. You know, no one's living there for
Speaker 6: thirty years because everybody was taken out, So I don't know.
Speaker 6: They don't talk about children though, so that that that's
Speaker 6: one thing is children are not mentioned. There has to
Speaker 6: be child in the story. Sure, they're not mentioned at all.
Speaker 8: Of people that were brought into harvest, you know, like
Speaker 8: day workers, but they just kept them there because they
Speaker 8: were going to be you know, harvesters or what do
Speaker 8: you call the coal such I don't remember whatever, anyway,
Speaker 8: you know what I'm talking about. And so therefore you
Speaker 8: wouldn't need children or you couldn't sustain children, right, it
Speaker 8: would only be the people that could work.
Speaker 3: And so therefore you I mean, I don't know, I'm spec.
Speaker 1: That's scientology, is added Toude.
Speaker 7: That's why they have children farms in Mexico because the
Speaker 7: kids in orn ay Go, they's got to have the
Speaker 7: adults work and stuff. So you know, maybe it's a
Speaker 7: new cartel or cult and moved into town. The old
Speaker 7: cartel moved out, this cult moved in. Maybe they got
Speaker 7: another one coming through.
Speaker 5: Well, what it's the time gap between this death cult
Speaker 5: and Adolpho's death cult, because it's like, is this the
Speaker 5: footprint that they followed for like so twenty years?
Speaker 6: But I thought it was in the eighties adulphos.
Speaker 5: So the in program to kill. And it actually ties
Speaker 5: back to Jonestown too, because Henry Lee Lucas said he
Speaker 5: knew Jim Jones that that cult was part of like
Speaker 5: a CIA mind control type thing with Jonestown. He also
Speaker 5: said there were many death cults in Mexico. He xed
Speaker 5: them out on a map and was like, here's one,
Speaker 5: here's one. Look, here there's another one. And they were like,
Speaker 5: oh yeah, Henry Lee Lucas, you're full of shit. And
Speaker 5: then they went and they found like Adolpho's ranch, they
Speaker 5: found all these death ranches, bodies buried all over the place,
Speaker 5: and so it's like weaponized a little bit. And you
Speaker 5: almost have to wonder if this wasn't like some kind
Speaker 5: of a like a training wheels type of thing for
Speaker 5: what they were about to do later, because and I
Speaker 5: don't think it stopped either, like we stopped investigating it. Sure,
Speaker 5: but if you went there right now, I'm sure you
Speaker 5: could find eight hundred and seventy two death colts with
Speaker 5: bodies buried all over the property. And you know that
Speaker 5: that's just my opinion, But I mean, why would it
Speaker 5: have just stopped, you know, overnight.
Speaker 6: True.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think the time frame between the Matamorris colt
Speaker 7: and this cult and the you know, the you know,
Speaker 7: you know, the timeframe and the geographic you know, relatively
Speaker 7: close geographically speaking, there's probably you know, more questions need
Speaker 7: to be asked there because they Matamores folks may have
Speaker 7: been you know, outed in the early eighties and rest
Speaker 7: and whatnot.
Speaker 1: But that certainly existed there.
Speaker 6: Prior to that, right, right?
Speaker 5: Yeah, Like how many years was that going on before
Speaker 5: they actually started like going to look for it?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 7: I mean, well, it's enough in proximity for for certainly
Speaker 7: to ask that question.
Speaker 1: And do these do these things have connections?
Speaker 5: Mm hmmm, I don't know, dude. Question seems all fucking
Speaker 5: suss to me. Nobody joined a death cult anybody like
Speaker 5: hopefully but anytime. See, yes, right, they listen to the
Speaker 5: occult rejects and they know a thing or two. I'll
Speaker 5: start a cult.
Speaker 6: You can join my cult. Kool Aid? What kind of
Speaker 6: kolid are you serving?
Speaker 5: Great drink? Yeah, that's great.
Speaker 3: Gotta have that red solo.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: No, actually I'm gonna I'm gonna up it and I'm
Speaker 5: gonna do kool Aid pickles. You guys will love it.
Speaker 5: Have you ever had a kool Aid pickle?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 6: That could be the worst thing I've ever had, or
Speaker 6: it could be the amazing thing. I don't know.
Speaker 2: They're right.
Speaker 5: I had it at a restaurant one time. They were like,
Speaker 5: do you want to try kool aid pickle? I was like,
Speaker 5: it could be sweet and salty, you know, like it's
Speaker 5: a pickle, but it's been like fermented in kool Aid,
Speaker 5: So let's give it a try. Absolutely not, don't fucking
Speaker 5: ever do that, guys, that road.
Speaker 6: But the question is what kool aid did they use?
Speaker 6: Because kool Aid, of course there is. Is it cherry
Speaker 6: or was it rape?
Speaker 1: Maybe lemon? Lime?
Speaker 5: I bet if I now I'm going to google it.
Speaker 5: I bet it's a Hawaiian punch, punch to the kidney.
Speaker 7: I think it was Soundic or one of those restaurants
Speaker 7: that did a pickle ice creams. Maybe this is a
Speaker 7: recent pickle fat that you you ran across with the
Speaker 7: pickled kool Aid.
Speaker 5: What if it was just a big campaign for kool Aid,
Speaker 5: it could have been Oh dude, shut the fuck up.
Speaker 5: It was great. It was literally great.
Speaker 6: Grapest grape is solid, you know there's I'm a fan
Speaker 6: of grape.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I don't know about grape of pickle?
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, it doesn't mix well pickle?
Speaker 5: Yeah, great, assholes, you guys, it says right here. I
Speaker 5: googled it, so it must be true. They didn't even
Speaker 5: use kool Aid brand kool Aid. They used flavor Aid.
Speaker 3: I knew it.
Speaker 6: That's why it was crape.
Speaker 5: Let's just say they didn't even put poison in it
Speaker 5: and it they just drink this fucking flavor aid and
Speaker 5: it just killed them off immediately. We don't know that
Speaker 5: that's some toxic ship right there. We don't even know
Speaker 5: what's in that.
Speaker 6: Like they could have they could have used tang, you know.
Speaker 5: But.
Speaker 3: They can't even get the right stuff.
Speaker 5: Come on, no, this is from Save a lot. They
Speaker 5: didn't even they didn't even ball out on a budget
Speaker 5: and like get named brand they were.
Speaker 6: They went to freaking Get one or something like that,
Speaker 6: you know.
Speaker 5: Ten cent packets. Oh my god, look at this, Look
Speaker 5: at this. I'm offended by this.
Speaker 6: I actually love that marketing. I love that. Uh that
Speaker 6: looks actually pretty cool.
Speaker 5: We got to click on the grape one though. There
Speaker 5: you go. That's what killed all the people in Jonestown,
Speaker 5: right there, flavor everyone. Henry Lee Lucas did say that
Speaker 5: he knew Jim Jones and that Jim Jones was just
Speaker 5: part of his c I a big mind control thing,
Speaker 5: that it was just another project they were working on.
Speaker 5: There was another death cult out of I think it
Speaker 5: was Japan. It was called the Doomsday Cult, and they
Speaker 5: took sar and nerve gas on trains, and they were
Speaker 5: like trying to like poison people. And they rated this
Speaker 5: compound for the doomsday cult. They had military helicopters, they
Speaker 5: had mind control devices that they were developing, They had
Speaker 5: weapons grade anthrax, andy Bola virus, and they had all
Speaker 5: this stuff. And it's like, you have to wonder where
Speaker 5: are these fucking cults getting this fucking shit? Because it's
Speaker 5: like I said to you earlier. Let me, let's just
Speaker 5: say I want to start a cult tomorrow. How easy
Speaker 5: is it going to be for me to get weapons
Speaker 5: grade anthrax, any bowl of virus, a military helicopter, mine
Speaker 5: control devices, saw and nerve gas. Like okay, yeah, let's
Speaker 5: just put it on this fucking Sam's Club list and
Speaker 5: let me just go right into the store and get it.
Speaker 5: Like where are they getting this stuff? You guys?
Speaker 1: If you tell the FBI your trends, they'll just give
Speaker 1: all that to you.
Speaker 6: There you go, starting a trans group.
Speaker 3: I said.
Speaker 5: Magdalena was was probably secretly trained. That's why she had
Speaker 5: a thing for Selena. She was trying to stick her.
Speaker 4: Oh not like her. Oh that's that's that's awesome.
Speaker 6: I don't know, I don't know it up.
Speaker 5: She's a fucking asshole. Though if this story isn't even conspiratorial,
Speaker 5: I still think she's a fucking asshole. It's really interesting.
Speaker 5: I had never heard it before. It blew my mind. Actually,
Speaker 5: I'm so glad you researched this topic because it's crazy.
Speaker 6: You know, I don't want to give a shout out
Speaker 6: to Blaze. I'll definitely give a shout out to Blaze,
Speaker 6: you know, with his with his comic book, and yeah,
Speaker 6: he's doing a kickstarter for that and it's fantastic, awesome.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll include a link for that. And I think
Speaker 4: I can say this for all of us here, well
Speaker 4: even Rye. Probably at this point, I do think there's
Speaker 4: something questionable about this whole case. You know, this doesn't
Speaker 4: seem to be much I guess to talk about, and
Speaker 4: I don't know, just because of other situations in the past.
Speaker 4: They do wonder was there some sort of three letter
Speaker 4: agency involvement or some structure to it a little bit
Speaker 4: more than we knew about. But thank you, yeah, but
Speaker 4: thank you all for coming on. I thought that was amazing.
Speaker 4: Everybody had great stuff to add Rye. That was really good.
Speaker 4: You presented that amazingly thank you so much. I appreciate
Speaker 4: it before we have you plug it real quick, uh, JJ,
Speaker 4: let everybody know where they can find you stuff again.
Speaker 7: JJ, Van says to Operations GCD, Nick, appreciate the invite,
Speaker 7: Lisa Joy it great, great conversation, Ry, Great to meet you,
Speaker 7: and this is a very intriguing tale. I definitely got
Speaker 7: my wheels turning on a number of these topics. Here
Speaker 7: to look again too, more for sure cool.
Speaker 4: Thank you very much, JJ and Julia real quick, let
Speaker 4: everybody know where they can find your amazing sh as well.
Speaker 5: Thank you. I am the host of Cosmic Peach podcasts.
Speaker 5: It's available wherever you listen to podcasts. And great to
Speaker 5: meet you, Ry. I love someone who can present a
Speaker 5: topic start to finish like you do. It's really entertaining
Speaker 5: and I it's it's a skill not a lot of
Speaker 5: people have actually, and I admire that. But thanks for
Speaker 5: having me on, Nick. This was a great conversation. I
Speaker 5: learned a lot and I'm looking forward to coming on again.
Speaker 4: As soon as I saw the actual number right.
Speaker 5: Yes, yes as an occult reject.
Speaker 4: Yes, like I said, as soon as I really kind
Speaker 4: of started listening to it, I was like I know
Speaker 4: Julie would be into this. It sounds so much like Adulfo,
Speaker 4: like I really thought. Yeah, I was thinking about that
Speaker 4: a lot. And Lisa, thank you so much for coming on.
Speaker 4: I really appreciate it. Yes, is there anything that you
Speaker 4: want to plug?
Speaker 5: Sure?
Speaker 3: Yes, thank you everybody, Thank you, Ry.
Speaker 8: I really really enjoyed this story and like everybody said,
Speaker 8: contributed definitely something totally suspect. And I do agree with
Speaker 8: Nick that the Alphabet Boys are probably somehow.
Speaker 3: Somewhere not too far away from any of this.
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Speaker 4: Awesome, Thank you so much. I appreciate that. And Roy,
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Speaker 6: First of all, I just want to say thanks for
Speaker 6: having me on this was This is fantastic and you
Speaker 6: guys are all welcoming and it's nice to be in
Speaker 6: a similar crowd, you know, of everyone who has the
Speaker 6: same like minded who understands what's going on in questions everything.
Speaker 6: That's what I say is we have to question everything
Speaker 6: that you know, It's been crazy that these last couple
Speaker 6: of years or five six years, you know, we are
Speaker 6: frowned upon and made fun of for researching and looking
Speaker 6: into things ourselves. We're told to leave it to the experts,
Speaker 6: leave it to these people. Don't think for yourself, you know,
Speaker 6: sit down on your ass on the TV and watch
Speaker 6: it and don't do anything. So it's fantastic to meet
Speaker 6: some people who who think the way I do. And
Speaker 6: it's like, let's look into the stuff further, Let's go deeper.
Speaker 6: As soon as I'm told one thing on TV, you know,
Speaker 6: it's like, okay, well let's start looking the other way
Speaker 6: and figure out what it really is going on. So again,
Speaker 6: I'm the host of Codega's Codex of Curiosities. I drop
Speaker 6: an episode once a week, sometimes twice a week, kind
Speaker 6: of like you guys, I'll drop a bonus episode, but
Speaker 6: it's usually on Sundays, and I can be fine YouTube, Rumble, Spotify,
Speaker 6: Apple everywhere else, Facebook, Instagram, that can hit me up
Speaker 6: just like you did, Nick and contact me reach out. Yes,
Speaker 6: that's about it.
Speaker 4: You definitely go check out here show like again, like
Speaker 4: I said before, tons and tons of different types of topics,
Speaker 4: you know, and yeah, true crime, cult, paranormal, bigfoot, Jack
Speaker 4: the Ripper, you know, great stuff. Uh yeah, and again,
Speaker 4: thank you all for coming on. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 4: That was an awesome chat. And again, this is a
Speaker 4: really really weird one and you don't hear too many
Speaker 4: people talking about it, so I wanted to cover it.
Speaker 4: And that's the end of another Recult Rejects and until
Speaker 4: the next one, everybody be well later.