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<v Speaker 1>This is all kind of classic MK ultra technique, to

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<v Speaker 1>grind someone down, to wear them down so they are

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<v Speaker 1>more susceptible. He saw Jimmy Hendrix as his ticket. Jimmy

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<v Speaker 1>Hendrix was a cash cow and their contract was expiring,

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<v Speaker 1>and Mike Jeffrey was very worried. Because here's another common theme.

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Jeffrey was indebted to the Mob. Jimmy Hendrix wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to build a studio in New York City called Electric

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<v Speaker 1>Lady Studios I believe it was, and Mike Jeffrey had

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<v Speaker 1>to go to the Mob and take out massive loans

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<v Speaker 1>in order to make this happen for repairs and renovations

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<v Speaker 1>and so forth. There are other reasons, but he was

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<v Speaker 1>indebted to the Mob, and so the prospect of Mike

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<v Speaker 1>Jeffrey losing it may have been his only client, or

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<v Speaker 1>certainly is only a high profile client, that was a

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<v Speaker 1>big problem for Mike Jeffrey. He couldn't let that happen,

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<v Speaker 1>and so Mike Jeffrey was constantly trying to prove to

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<v Speaker 1>Jimmy Hendrix that Jimmy Hendrix would be lost without him. So,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, Mike Jeffrey would arrange with his Underworld connections,

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<v Speaker 1>and this actually happened Jimmy Hendricks to get kidnapped. Jimmy

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<v Speaker 1>Hendricks was kidnapped and held by the members of this

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<v Speaker 1>mob in New York City near Greenwich Village. And so

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Jeffrey set up the kidnapping and then he set

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<v Speaker 1>up the rescue. He got these other mobsters to come

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<v Speaker 1>in from Long Island or New Jersey who were bigger

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<v Speaker 1>and tougher than the ones that kidnapped Jimmy, and they

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<v Speaker 1>freed him. And Mike Jeffrey looked like a hero to

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<v Speaker 1>Jimmy Hendricks. He was always doing these things to try

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<v Speaker 1>and prove to you. I mean, you know, without me,

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<v Speaker 1>you're screwed. Basically, it was another incident here in Toronto

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<v Speaker 1>where Jimmy Hendrix was arrested at the airport for a

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<v Speaker 1>possession of heroin. There was there was heroin and drug

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<v Speaker 1>paraphernalia and his luggage. Well, by this time Jimmy was

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<v Speaker 1>off drugs. He would smoke a little herb and he

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<v Speaker 1>would drink a little bit. And his girlfriend at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>Kathy Etchingham, was there with him and He's swore up

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<v Speaker 1>and down, was you know this is not mine. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>off this, you know me, I don't do this anymore. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>according to one of the gentlemen that I interviewed for

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<v Speaker 1>the for the book and for the podcast, James Tappy Wright,

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<v Speaker 1>who was Jimmy's road manager, and he was a road

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<v Speaker 1>manager for a number of groups including The Animals and

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<v Speaker 1>Tina Turner. At one point, James Tappy Wright says that

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<v Speaker 1>Jeffrey confided in him that he was in fact the

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<v Speaker 1>one who planted those drugs on Jimmy Hendrix. He wanted

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<v Speaker 1>him to get caught. So again, Mike Jeffrey ride in

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<v Speaker 1>like the White like the Night on the White Horse,

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe with his six connections, was able to get

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<v Speaker 1>Jimmy off of these drug charges. So again, Mike Jeffrey

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<v Speaker 1>as the savior. Jimmy's totally reliant on him. There's no

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<v Speaker 1>way he would cancel the contract or not renew the

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<v Speaker 1>contract because, you know, Mike Jeffrey was the only one

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<v Speaker 1>that could protect Jimmy Hendrix. This was the psychology that

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<v Speaker 1>Jeffrey was using on Hendricks in addition to keeping him

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<v Speaker 1>constantly on tour. Just Colonel Tom Parker did this with

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<v Speaker 1>Elvis in order to control him. He was just so

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<v Speaker 1>tired exhausted, really physically worn out, mentally and emotionally worn

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<v Speaker 1>out from being on tour constantly, and then on top

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<v Speaker 1>of that, telling Jimmy that he was broke, that he

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<v Speaker 1>was spending too much money, he had no more money.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm constantly being told to sign this and sign that.

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<v Speaker 1>What am I signing? Now? Oh, it's nothing, It's just standard,

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<v Speaker 1>a standard contract or a standard document. He had no

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<v Speaker 1>idea what he was signing. Well, he was signing over

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<v Speaker 1>control of his life to Mike Jeffrey. So when Jimmy

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<v Speaker 1>Hendrix died in in London in nineteen seventy, supposedly he

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<v Speaker 1>aspirated on vomit after taking too many barbituates. And we

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<v Speaker 1>get into this in the in the chapter when he

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<v Speaker 1>was taken to Saint Mary's Hospital and they were trying

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<v Speaker 1>to revive him. He was way too late, he was

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<v Speaker 1>he was long gone by that time. His hair was

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<v Speaker 1>soaked with red wine, his clothes were soaked with red wine.

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<v Speaker 1>But there was no red wine in his bloodstream. As

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<v Speaker 1>it turned out, there was red wine in his in

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<v Speaker 1>his lungs, there was no red wine in his stomach.

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<v Speaker 1>And we get into the book, into the book how

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<v Speaker 1>how Jimmy Hendricks was actually murdered using a technique that's

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<v Speaker 1>very similar to waterboarding, and that was something that Mike

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<v Speaker 1>Jeffrey was very very well aware of. That technique. Jimmy

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<v Speaker 1>Hendricks was essentially drowned.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that that's the same with Marilyn Monroe as

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<v Speaker 2>well as something with red wine. With Marilyn Monroe, she

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<v Speaker 2>might have had more red wine in her stomach than

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<v Speaker 2>could possibly have been. I'm I'm not sure to have

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<v Speaker 2>the refresh on Marilyn Monroe, but I think that there's

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<v Speaker 2>something to the wine with her as well well.

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<v Speaker 1>What seems to be a sort of a common thread

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<v Speaker 1>through many of these unexplained deaths, whether we're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>Marilyn Monroe, and in that case, I believe you had

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<v Speaker 1>the same corner, Thomas Negucci. Just to get off on

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<v Speaker 1>a bit of a side track here, Thomas Negucci was

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<v Speaker 1>her corner. Was also the corner for Robert F. Kennedy,

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<v Speaker 1>uh And in both cases, Nagucci's findings were contrary to

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<v Speaker 1>the the you know, the final report, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>in both cases he was chased out of town back

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<v Speaker 1>to Elvis. The the same coroner coroner for Elvis was

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<v Speaker 1>also the corner for Martin Luther King Junior, who also

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<v Speaker 1>died in Memphis, you know, nine years earlier, in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixty eight. So you have this common thread of these

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<v Speaker 1>coroners who are either corrupt or if they don't if

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<v Speaker 1>they if they don't cooperate, they're fired or kicked out

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<v Speaker 1>or or pushed out of town. You've got these this

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<v Speaker 1>rush to judgment on the part of police departments. This

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<v Speaker 1>comes up later in a chapter on Kirk Cobain, where

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<v Speaker 1>it was ruled a suicide despite you know, a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of very compelling evidence to the contrary. So these things

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<v Speaker 1>don't happen without the the complicity of either corrupt officials

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<v Speaker 1>or people that are I don't know, manipulated, pushed aside.

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<v Speaker 1>There's always a rush to judgment.

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<v Speaker 2>So you mentioned Kirk Cobin. There there's been new evidence

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<v Speaker 2>that come out. I believe a group of private investigators

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<v Speaker 2>published some sort of peer reviewed paper essentially arguing that

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<v Speaker 2>Cobain's death in nineteen ninety four was indeed a homicide

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<v Speaker 2>like pretty much everyone had said, and many documentaries and

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<v Speaker 2>papers and videos have been made on Kirk Cobain essentially

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<v Speaker 2>saying that you know he was killed, he was murdered,

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<v Speaker 2>this was a homicide, this wasn't a suicide. And there's

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<v Speaker 2>so many different things that you can get into about

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<v Speaker 2>just based off of the fact that the gun that

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<v Speaker 2>was used he could not have fired under the amount

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<v Speaker 2>of substance that he had reportedly in his body. He

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<v Speaker 2>would add the turn of the gun around and use

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<v Speaker 2>his toe to blow his head off.

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<v Speaker 1>Right. Well, yeah, those are two. Those are two certainly

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<v Speaker 1>two red flags. The forensic researchers who just published their

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<v Speaker 1>findings in February, or at least it was reported by

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<v Speaker 1>the Daily Mail in February of this year. As far

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<v Speaker 1>as I can tell, nothing really new there that at

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<v Speaker 1>least I could see. I haven't read the entire report.

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<v Speaker 1>They are basically sort of reiterating what had been established before.

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<v Speaker 1>As you say, he had about three times the lethal

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<v Speaker 1>dose of heroin in his system. While it metabolizes into morphine,

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<v Speaker 1>that would have rendered most people, even heavy users, into

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<v Speaker 1>a state of unconsciousness. So what's interesting though, is that

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<v Speaker 1>after taking that injection again three times the lethal dose,

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<v Speaker 1>Kurt Cobain has the presence of mind and the ability

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<v Speaker 1>to neatly and carefully pack away his drug paraphernalia kit,

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<v Speaker 1>including putting the caps back on the syringes, putting them

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<v Speaker 1>in their compartments, and tucking those neatly away. That doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>make sense. And then as you say, there is the

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<v Speaker 1>matter of the shotgun which also contained or which also

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<v Speaker 1>had attached to the end of it a A I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's called a flash suppressor. It's it's a device

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<v Speaker 1>on the end of the you you screw into the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the shotgun barrel, which would have added an

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<v Speaker 1>additional six inch inches to the length of the of

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<v Speaker 1>the barrel. Now, I'm not a hunter, but I have

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<v Speaker 1>held a shotgun in my hands, and I know you

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<v Speaker 1>know that's a pretty cumbersome weapon. So as you say,

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<v Speaker 1>to turn that around, put it, stick it in your mouth,

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<v Speaker 1>and then have your arms would have to be long

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<v Speaker 1>enough to reach the trigger. It's just it doesn't make

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<v Speaker 1>any sense. There were no usable fingerprints on the weapon.

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<v Speaker 1>There was no blood splatter, there was no brain splatter,

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<v Speaker 1>there was no there was no sort of catastrophic exit

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<v Speaker 1>wound that you would expect to find when when one

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<v Speaker 1>takes their life by sticking the barrel of a shotgun

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<v Speaker 1>in their mouth. Uh, there was none.

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<v Speaker 2>Of that.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's also, of course the suicide note so called

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<v Speaker 1>where the first part of the suicide note is written

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<v Speaker 1>in one hand style, a handwriting style, the last part

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<v Speaker 1>is written another handstyle, a handwriting style. There's also the

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<v Speaker 1>conversations recorded conversations between Kurt and Courtney's lawyer Rosemary Carroll

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<v Speaker 1>and investigator Tom Grant. And again these are allegations, none

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<v Speaker 1>has been proven in court. Courtney Love has denied all

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<v Speaker 1>of these allegations repeatedly, but they found copies in her

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<v Speaker 1>handbag of what they called practice sheets. It appears allegedly

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<v Speaker 1>that Courtney Love was practicing to write in Kurt Cobain's

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<v Speaker 1>handwriting style

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<v Speaker 2>M