Speaker 1: This is all kind of classic MK ultra technique, to
Speaker 1: grind someone down, to wear them down so they are
Speaker 1: more susceptible. He saw Jimmy Hendrix as his ticket. Jimmy
Speaker 1: Hendrix was a cash cow and their contract was expiring,
Speaker 1: and Mike Jeffrey was very worried. Because here's another common theme.
Speaker 1: Mike Jeffrey was indebted to the Mob. Jimmy Hendrix wanted
Speaker 1: to build a studio in New York City called Electric
Speaker 1: Lady Studios I believe it was, and Mike Jeffrey had
Speaker 1: to go to the Mob and take out massive loans
Speaker 1: in order to make this happen for repairs and renovations
Speaker 1: and so forth. There are other reasons, but he was
Speaker 1: indebted to the Mob, and so the prospect of Mike
Speaker 1: Jeffrey losing it may have been his only client, or
Speaker 1: certainly is only a high profile client, that was a
Speaker 1: big problem for Mike Jeffrey. He couldn't let that happen,
Speaker 1: and so Mike Jeffrey was constantly trying to prove to
Speaker 1: Jimmy Hendrix that Jimmy Hendrix would be lost without him. So,
Speaker 1: for example, Mike Jeffrey would arrange with his Underworld connections,
Speaker 1: and this actually happened Jimmy Hendricks to get kidnapped. Jimmy
Speaker 1: Hendricks was kidnapped and held by the members of this
Speaker 1: mob in New York City near Greenwich Village. And so
Speaker 1: Mike Jeffrey set up the kidnapping and then he set
Speaker 1: up the rescue. He got these other mobsters to come
Speaker 1: in from Long Island or New Jersey who were bigger
Speaker 1: and tougher than the ones that kidnapped Jimmy, and they
Speaker 1: freed him. And Mike Jeffrey looked like a hero to
Speaker 1: Jimmy Hendricks. He was always doing these things to try
Speaker 1: and prove to you. I mean, you know, without me,
Speaker 1: you're screwed. Basically, it was another incident here in Toronto
Speaker 1: where Jimmy Hendrix was arrested at the airport for a
Speaker 1: possession of heroin. There was there was heroin and drug
Speaker 1: paraphernalia and his luggage. Well, by this time Jimmy was
Speaker 1: off drugs. He would smoke a little herb and he
Speaker 1: would drink a little bit. And his girlfriend at the time,
Speaker 1: Kathy Etchingham, was there with him and He's swore up
Speaker 1: and down, was you know this is not mine. I'm
Speaker 1: off this, you know me, I don't do this anymore. Well,
Speaker 1: according to one of the gentlemen that I interviewed for
Speaker 1: the for the book and for the podcast, James Tappy Wright,
Speaker 1: who was Jimmy's road manager, and he was a road
Speaker 1: manager for a number of groups including The Animals and
Speaker 1: Tina Turner. At one point, James Tappy Wright says that
Speaker 1: Jeffrey confided in him that he was in fact the
Speaker 1: one who planted those drugs on Jimmy Hendrix. He wanted
Speaker 1: him to get caught. So again, Mike Jeffrey ride in
Speaker 1: like the White like the Night on the White Horse,
Speaker 1: and maybe with his six connections, was able to get
Speaker 1: Jimmy off of these drug charges. So again, Mike Jeffrey
Speaker 1: as the savior. Jimmy's totally reliant on him. There's no
Speaker 1: way he would cancel the contract or not renew the
Speaker 1: contract because, you know, Mike Jeffrey was the only one
Speaker 1: that could protect Jimmy Hendrix. This was the psychology that
Speaker 1: Jeffrey was using on Hendricks in addition to keeping him
Speaker 1: constantly on tour. Just Colonel Tom Parker did this with
Speaker 1: Elvis in order to control him. He was just so
Speaker 1: tired exhausted, really physically worn out, mentally and emotionally worn
Speaker 1: out from being on tour constantly, and then on top
Speaker 1: of that, telling Jimmy that he was broke, that he
Speaker 1: was spending too much money, he had no more money.
Speaker 1: I'm constantly being told to sign this and sign that.
Speaker 1: What am I signing? Now? Oh, it's nothing, It's just standard,
Speaker 1: a standard contract or a standard document. He had no
Speaker 1: idea what he was signing. Well, he was signing over
Speaker 1: control of his life to Mike Jeffrey. So when Jimmy
Speaker 1: Hendrix died in in London in nineteen seventy, supposedly he
Speaker 1: aspirated on vomit after taking too many barbituates. And we
Speaker 1: get into this in the in the chapter when he
Speaker 1: was taken to Saint Mary's Hospital and they were trying
Speaker 1: to revive him. He was way too late, he was
Speaker 1: he was long gone by that time. His hair was
Speaker 1: soaked with red wine, his clothes were soaked with red wine.
Speaker 1: But there was no red wine in his bloodstream. As
Speaker 1: it turned out, there was red wine in his in
Speaker 1: his lungs, there was no red wine in his stomach.
Speaker 1: And we get into the book, into the book how
Speaker 1: how Jimmy Hendricks was actually murdered using a technique that's
Speaker 1: very similar to waterboarding, and that was something that Mike
Speaker 1: Jeffrey was very very well aware of. That technique. Jimmy
Speaker 1: Hendricks was essentially drowned.
Speaker 2: I think that that's the same with Marilyn Monroe as
Speaker 2: well as something with red wine. With Marilyn Monroe, she
Speaker 2: might have had more red wine in her stomach than
Speaker 2: could possibly have been. I'm I'm not sure to have
Speaker 2: the refresh on Marilyn Monroe, but I think that there's
Speaker 2: something to the wine with her as well well.
Speaker 1: What seems to be a sort of a common thread
Speaker 1: through many of these unexplained deaths, whether we're talking about
Speaker 1: Marilyn Monroe, and in that case, I believe you had
Speaker 1: the same corner, Thomas Negucci. Just to get off on
Speaker 1: a bit of a side track here, Thomas Negucci was
Speaker 1: her corner. Was also the corner for Robert F. Kennedy,
Speaker 1: uh And in both cases, Nagucci's findings were contrary to
Speaker 1: the the you know, the final report, and I think
Speaker 1: in both cases he was chased out of town back
Speaker 1: to Elvis. The the same coroner coroner for Elvis was
Speaker 1: also the corner for Martin Luther King Junior, who also
Speaker 1: died in Memphis, you know, nine years earlier, in nineteen
Speaker 1: sixty eight. So you have this common thread of these
Speaker 1: coroners who are either corrupt or if they don't if
Speaker 1: they if they don't cooperate, they're fired or kicked out
Speaker 1: or or pushed out of town. You've got these this
Speaker 1: rush to judgment on the part of police departments. This
Speaker 1: comes up later in a chapter on Kirk Cobain, where
Speaker 1: it was ruled a suicide despite you know, a lot
Speaker 1: of very compelling evidence to the contrary. So these things
Speaker 1: don't happen without the the complicity of either corrupt officials
Speaker 1: or people that are I don't know, manipulated, pushed aside.
Speaker 1: There's always a rush to judgment.
Speaker 2: So you mentioned Kirk Cobin. There there's been new evidence
Speaker 2: that come out. I believe a group of private investigators
Speaker 2: published some sort of peer reviewed paper essentially arguing that
Speaker 2: Cobain's death in nineteen ninety four was indeed a homicide
Speaker 2: like pretty much everyone had said, and many documentaries and
Speaker 2: papers and videos have been made on Kirk Cobain essentially
Speaker 2: saying that you know he was killed, he was murdered,
Speaker 2: this was a homicide, this wasn't a suicide. And there's
Speaker 2: so many different things that you can get into about
Speaker 2: just based off of the fact that the gun that
Speaker 2: was used he could not have fired under the amount
Speaker 2: of substance that he had reportedly in his body. He
Speaker 2: would add the turn of the gun around and use
Speaker 2: his toe to blow his head off.
Speaker 1: Right. Well, yeah, those are two. Those are two certainly
Speaker 1: two red flags. The forensic researchers who just published their
Speaker 1: findings in February, or at least it was reported by
Speaker 1: the Daily Mail in February of this year. As far
Speaker 1: as I can tell, nothing really new there that at
Speaker 1: least I could see. I haven't read the entire report.
Speaker 1: They are basically sort of reiterating what had been established before.
Speaker 1: As you say, he had about three times the lethal
Speaker 1: dose of heroin in his system. While it metabolizes into morphine,
Speaker 1: that would have rendered most people, even heavy users, into
Speaker 1: a state of unconsciousness. So what's interesting though, is that
Speaker 1: after taking that injection again three times the lethal dose,
Speaker 1: Kurt Cobain has the presence of mind and the ability
Speaker 1: to neatly and carefully pack away his drug paraphernalia kit,
Speaker 1: including putting the caps back on the syringes, putting them
Speaker 1: in their compartments, and tucking those neatly away. That doesn't
Speaker 1: make sense. And then as you say, there is the
Speaker 1: matter of the shotgun which also contained or which also
Speaker 1: had attached to the end of it a A I
Speaker 1: think it's called a flash suppressor. It's it's a device
Speaker 1: on the end of the you you screw into the
Speaker 1: end of the shotgun barrel, which would have added an
Speaker 1: additional six inch inches to the length of the of
Speaker 1: the barrel. Now, I'm not a hunter, but I have
Speaker 1: held a shotgun in my hands, and I know you
Speaker 1: know that's a pretty cumbersome weapon. So as you say,
Speaker 1: to turn that around, put it, stick it in your mouth,
Speaker 1: and then have your arms would have to be long
Speaker 1: enough to reach the trigger. It's just it doesn't make
Speaker 1: any sense. There were no usable fingerprints on the weapon.
Speaker 1: There was no blood splatter, there was no brain splatter,
Speaker 1: there was no there was no sort of catastrophic exit
Speaker 1: wound that you would expect to find when when one
Speaker 1: takes their life by sticking the barrel of a shotgun
Speaker 1: in their mouth. Uh, there was none.
Speaker 2: Of that.
Speaker 1: So there's also, of course the suicide note so called
Speaker 1: where the first part of the suicide note is written
Speaker 1: in one hand style, a handwriting style, the last part
Speaker 1: is written another handstyle, a handwriting style. There's also the
Speaker 1: conversations recorded conversations between Kurt and Courtney's lawyer Rosemary Carroll
Speaker 1: and investigator Tom Grant. And again these are allegations, none
Speaker 1: has been proven in court. Courtney Love has denied all
Speaker 1: of these allegations repeatedly, but they found copies in her
Speaker 1: handbag of what they called practice sheets. It appears allegedly
Speaker 1: that Courtney Love was practicing to write in Kurt Cobain's
Speaker 1: handwriting style
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