WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.480 --> 00:00:04.040 KFI AM six forty. You're listening to Dean Sharp The 2 00:00:04.080 --> 00:00:10.880 House Whisper on demand on the iHeartRadio app Welcome Home. 3 00:00:11.480 --> 00:00:15.560 I am Dean Sharp the House Whisper. I design custom homes, 4 00:00:15.560 --> 00:00:19.480 I build custom homes, and today, most importantly, I am 5 00:00:19.559 --> 00:00:23.480 your guide to better understand that place where you live 6 00:00:23.559 --> 00:00:26.800 today on the show. I love these weekends. It's an 7 00:00:26.879 --> 00:00:33.119 all calls weekend. It's the weekend before Christmas. Right, Christmas 8 00:00:33.159 --> 00:00:36.479 is coming on Wednesday. It is December twenty second. Do 9 00:00:36.520 --> 00:00:38.399 you know what that means? By the way, today is 10 00:00:38.479 --> 00:00:43.039 the first full day of winter as well? Did you 11 00:00:43.119 --> 00:00:43.399 know that? 12 00:00:44.079 --> 00:00:44.399 Yeah? 13 00:00:45.880 --> 00:00:50.679 The solstice last night yesterday. I think I think can 14 00:00:50.719 --> 00:00:54.039 we get it's either the twentieth or the twenty first 15 00:00:54.079 --> 00:00:58.640 every year. Yeah, this is not a you know, a 16 00:00:58.719 --> 00:01:02.600 deeply researched top, big air in the studio. But the 17 00:01:02.679 --> 00:01:05.760 point is I know this. I know it's winter. That's 18 00:01:05.799 --> 00:01:08.640 what I know. It's the twenty second of December and 19 00:01:08.760 --> 00:01:12.680 winter has arrived. Can you tell? Can you tell from 20 00:01:12.719 --> 00:01:16.159 the snow outside here in southern California? No, you can't, 21 00:01:16.239 --> 00:01:20.359 but you know we're loving it. Nonetheless, I hope you're 22 00:01:20.359 --> 00:01:24.159 having a great weekend. When we put together an all 23 00:01:24.239 --> 00:01:27.000 calls weekend. It's kind of a weird thing to say 24 00:01:27.000 --> 00:01:30.319 put together, because the truth is, you're putting together this 25 00:01:30.560 --> 00:01:36.599 weekend for us Today's show three hours nothing but your calls. 26 00:01:36.719 --> 00:01:39.200 And you know, maybe I'm sharing a little tidbit of 27 00:01:39.239 --> 00:01:41.480 this or that along the way, but it's all about 28 00:01:41.519 --> 00:01:44.599 your calls. You set the agenda today. The number to 29 00:01:44.640 --> 00:01:48.840 reach me eight three three two. Ask Dean eight three 30 00:01:48.920 --> 00:01:52.719 three The numeral two ask Dean eight three three to 31 00:01:52.879 --> 00:01:56.879 ask Dean. The phone lines are open now. Producer Matt 32 00:01:56.879 --> 00:02:00.719 Toffler standing by. He is ready to take your He 33 00:02:00.799 --> 00:02:03.200 will tell you everything you need to know, and then 34 00:02:03.680 --> 00:02:05.239 you know what You and I we can put our 35 00:02:05.280 --> 00:02:08.240 heads together. We can figure out whatever is going on 36 00:02:08.319 --> 00:02:12.280 with your house design construction, DIY, whatever's got you scratching 37 00:02:12.319 --> 00:02:15.919 your head about your house. We will figure it out together. 38 00:02:16.120 --> 00:02:18.919 I promise you. I promise you. I will do everything 39 00:02:18.960 --> 00:02:22.840 to help you. As we do. We take calls every week, 40 00:02:23.000 --> 00:02:26.360 but every few weeks we just clear the decks so 41 00:02:26.400 --> 00:02:30.280 that you have extra time to call in. So phone 42 00:02:30.319 --> 00:02:34.360 lines are open now, eight three three two, ass Dean. 43 00:02:34.599 --> 00:02:38.520 Let's talk to our awesome team Elmer on the board. 44 00:02:38.520 --> 00:02:42.680 Good morning, Bud, Good morning Dean. How's it going good? 45 00:02:42.759 --> 00:02:50.680 You know, holiday season, so fives are up? Cracks me up. 46 00:02:50.719 --> 00:02:54.199 Elmer just cracks me up. Hey, turn your mic on. 47 00:02:54.360 --> 00:02:57.439 I wasn't sure. I was like, holiday season. Maybe you're sad, 48 00:02:57.719 --> 00:03:02.120 maybe you're happy. Not sure. Well, he's got that mystery voice. 49 00:03:02.159 --> 00:03:07.360 You can't that's the thing. Elmer's got that voice. You 50 00:03:07.719 --> 00:03:15.639 have no idea what direction he's about to turn right. Oh, 51 00:03:15.719 --> 00:03:17.800 and you just heard her in the background there. Eileen 52 00:03:17.840 --> 00:03:21.400 Gonzalez at the news desk. Good morning, Eileen, Good morning, Sunshine. 53 00:03:21.400 --> 00:03:26.360 How's it going Your wife laughs, because she goes this 54 00:03:26.400 --> 00:03:33.719 guy's not Sunshine. Diena knows. Diena knows the truth. Tell 55 00:03:33.800 --> 00:03:43.360 him the truth. Go ahead, your Sunshine. Sometimes you are 56 00:03:43.560 --> 00:03:49.960 I am right now. Oh yeah, thank you, thank you, 57 00:03:50.159 --> 00:03:54.759 Thank you. Everyone calm down. Sitting across the table from me, 58 00:03:55.199 --> 00:04:02.039 my better half. Yeah, uh wow. The elephant in the room, 59 00:04:02.560 --> 00:04:07.639 she's not an elephant. It's just one of her favorite animals. 60 00:04:07.960 --> 00:04:12.439 Tina is here, welcome home. Good morning, Good morning. Tina 61 00:04:12.439 --> 00:04:14.639 and I were sitting by the fire this morning. I know, 62 00:04:14.680 --> 00:04:17.199 I almost lost myself and didn't get up here. It 63 00:04:17.240 --> 00:04:20.839 was a little. It was a little it was it 64 00:04:20.879 --> 00:04:24.120 was it was a little rock Wellian, Norman rock Wellian. 65 00:04:24.399 --> 00:04:26.959 That's a little scene by the fire this morning. It 66 00:04:27.000 --> 00:04:31.360 was nice coffee fire, lovely. There's a dog laying around 67 00:04:31.439 --> 00:04:38.279 somewhere in the room. Twinkling lights. We went to uh 68 00:04:38.639 --> 00:04:42.680 Christmas light uh candy cane lane, kind of strolling last 69 00:04:42.759 --> 00:04:44.959 night with the family. That was a good time. That 70 00:04:45.000 --> 00:04:47.480 was a good time. It was extra festiveness. What what 71 00:04:47.680 --> 00:04:49.839 is it. That's the second one that we've seen. 72 00:04:50.519 --> 00:04:52.639 Christmas closer to the I mean it's closer to the 73 00:04:52.680 --> 00:04:55.879 official holidays, I know, but I mean more houses did 74 00:04:55.879 --> 00:04:58.720 it in. 75 00:04:58.639 --> 00:05:01.560 Our neck of the woods. It seemed to me that 76 00:05:01.639 --> 00:05:04.360 things are a little bit more. There's a little festive 77 00:05:04.399 --> 00:05:06.279 boost this year. And I don't know why. 78 00:05:07.000 --> 00:05:07.519 I like it. 79 00:05:07.560 --> 00:05:09.680 I'll take it. I think maybe people are just feeling 80 00:05:09.680 --> 00:05:13.759 a little bit more like they need it. Maybe I 81 00:05:13.800 --> 00:05:17.560 don't know. I don't know, but yeah, a funny year 82 00:05:17.680 --> 00:05:19.680 for a lot of people. Yeah, it's been a weird 83 00:05:19.720 --> 00:05:21.480 year for us. A lot of hard things. Yeah, a 84 00:05:21.480 --> 00:05:23.560 lot of hard things. A lot of hard things, and 85 00:05:23.600 --> 00:05:26.439 you know, for our friends and like I say, you know, 86 00:05:26.480 --> 00:05:29.439 at the holiday season, it's not a time to get 87 00:05:29.439 --> 00:05:32.600 depressed because there are hard things in your life, because 88 00:05:32.759 --> 00:05:37.040 that's what's celebrating. The holidays have, literally since the very beginning, 89 00:05:37.040 --> 00:05:40.160 have been about It's about kind of holding out and 90 00:05:40.199 --> 00:05:43.279 finding your way in the dark. Right, more on that later, 91 00:05:43.959 --> 00:05:45.879 All right, we got started late, so I got to 92 00:05:45.879 --> 00:05:48.199 get out of here for just a second. The phone 93 00:05:48.199 --> 00:05:50.199 lines are open. We got some calls coming in, but 94 00:05:50.240 --> 00:05:53.279 there's room for you. Eight three three two, Ask Dean. 95 00:05:53.439 --> 00:05:59.000 It is an all calls Sunday, this Sunday morning before Christmas, 96 00:05:59.319 --> 00:06:01.879 your Home with Dean Sharp, the house whisper. 97 00:06:02.839 --> 00:06:06.120 You're listening to Home with Dean Sharp on demand from 98 00:06:06.240 --> 00:06:07.720 KFI AM six forty. 99 00:06:09.439 --> 00:06:12.199 It is an all calls weekend. It's an all calls 100 00:06:12.240 --> 00:06:16.120 Sunday morning, Sunday before Christmas, right here in southern California. 101 00:06:16.439 --> 00:06:20.160 Eight three three to ask Dean. Is the number to 102 00:06:20.199 --> 00:06:22.720 reach me? A three to three the numeral two, Ask 103 00:06:22.839 --> 00:06:26.920 Dean eight three three two, ask Dean. I don't want 104 00:06:26.920 --> 00:06:30.680 to waste any time. Let's get right to it. Let 105 00:06:31.000 --> 00:06:34.959 us talk to Kathy. Hey, Kathy, welcome home. 106 00:06:36.560 --> 00:06:41.279 Hi Deane. I was wondering how you vaulted the ceilings 107 00:06:41.360 --> 00:06:44.800 in your home. How you knew what they would look 108 00:06:44.879 --> 00:06:49.360 like before digging into the drywall, I guess, and how 109 00:06:49.399 --> 00:06:50.519 you insulated them? 110 00:06:51.879 --> 00:06:57.120 Uh? Okay? Are you thinking about maybe possibly doing this 111 00:06:57.160 --> 00:06:57.879 in your place? 112 00:06:59.120 --> 00:06:59.360 Yes? 113 00:07:00.040 --> 00:07:02.720 Okay? And what kind of a home do you live in. 114 00:07:04.040 --> 00:07:10.519 I just live in a single level tracked home that's 115 00:07:11.240 --> 00:07:19.120 twenty oh gosh, twenty five years old, and I don't 116 00:07:19.199 --> 00:07:22.399 know if the pitch is correct for that, and I 117 00:07:22.439 --> 00:07:25.360 wondered how you knew that. I kind of look at 118 00:07:25.360 --> 00:07:28.839 the angles of the roof and I wonder if the 119 00:07:28.879 --> 00:07:31.879 angles are correct. And I think it would just be 120 00:07:32.040 --> 00:07:36.480 so lovely to have, you know, a roof a ceiling 121 00:07:36.519 --> 00:07:40.720 that's higher, But I don't know how you did inside 122 00:07:41.240 --> 00:07:44.240 and how you remove all of that support and then 123 00:07:44.319 --> 00:07:45.480 create more support. 124 00:07:46.000 --> 00:07:50.240 Gotcha? Okay? All right, So here is the thing. Every 125 00:07:50.240 --> 00:07:52.839 home is different, every room is different when it comes 126 00:07:52.839 --> 00:07:56.759 to vaulting a ceiling. But vaulting a ceiling is without 127 00:07:56.920 --> 00:08:03.040 question one of the best ways I mean of utilizing 128 00:08:03.120 --> 00:08:07.000 your remodeling dollars in my opinion as a designer, simply 129 00:08:07.079 --> 00:08:11.839 because volume volume in a room is one of those 130 00:08:11.879 --> 00:08:16.079 ways that gives a room a more spacious feeling as 131 00:08:16.079 --> 00:08:19.639 opposed to the need to push out and actually get 132 00:08:19.680 --> 00:08:24.000 more square footage, you know, just the sense of volume. 133 00:08:24.120 --> 00:08:29.360 So just raising that ceiling is just a tremendously wonderful 134 00:08:29.399 --> 00:08:32.080 thing that can open up even the smallest of homes. 135 00:08:32.120 --> 00:08:35.639 And we have a very small home, and you know, certainly, 136 00:08:36.679 --> 00:08:39.639 certainly by you know us standards, we have a small home. 137 00:08:41.039 --> 00:08:44.080 I say that, you know, always in a qualified sense, 138 00:08:44.080 --> 00:08:46.039 because I don't want to I don't want to come 139 00:08:46.120 --> 00:08:49.399 off ignorant of the way that lots of people live 140 00:08:49.440 --> 00:08:53.000 around the world. I've got friends from Sheffield, England who 141 00:08:53.039 --> 00:08:55.639 come over and spend time with us, and they think 142 00:08:55.679 --> 00:08:59.919 my home is quite expansive because because things are just 143 00:09:00.080 --> 00:09:02.559 tighter and smaller there. So anyway, so the point is 144 00:09:02.600 --> 00:09:07.200 this the very first concern that you have. Okay, So 145 00:09:08.519 --> 00:09:10.879 I'm gonna have to disappoint you a little bit here 146 00:09:11.240 --> 00:09:15.600 because because it's gonna change for everybody. But I can't 147 00:09:15.639 --> 00:09:19.879 specifically tell you how you should vault your place, but 148 00:09:20.000 --> 00:09:22.759 I will give you the general principles. The very first 149 00:09:22.960 --> 00:09:25.679 thing that you've got to do is you've got to 150 00:09:25.919 --> 00:09:30.120 get it engineered the right way. Okay. So every room 151 00:09:30.200 --> 00:09:35.360 is different and and some rooms are are well supported 152 00:09:35.519 --> 00:09:39.679 enough from the exterior walls that when you go up 153 00:09:39.720 --> 00:09:42.399 into the attic, you realize there's not a lot of 154 00:09:42.440 --> 00:09:46.679 support of the roofline coming down onto walls inside this room, 155 00:09:46.759 --> 00:09:48.919 and that frees you up. That gives you a lot 156 00:09:48.919 --> 00:09:51.240 of freedom. But that's not the end of the story. 157 00:09:51.639 --> 00:09:54.759 Because a simple ranch style tracked home, I think like 158 00:09:54.799 --> 00:09:58.399 the one you probably live in and our little cottage here. 159 00:09:59.519 --> 00:10:03.399 I think of a triangle, right, and if you put 160 00:10:03.399 --> 00:10:06.399 your fingers, you know, your index fingers and your thumbs 161 00:10:06.759 --> 00:10:10.840 in a triangle out in front of you. You've got 162 00:10:10.840 --> 00:10:14.519 the two sides of the triangle that are ascending up. 163 00:10:14.559 --> 00:10:17.919 That's let's call that your roofline. Those are the roof rafters. 164 00:10:18.799 --> 00:10:21.919 In a smaller home. Chances are those roof rafters don't 165 00:10:21.919 --> 00:10:25.200 have midspan supports on them. So that's good, it's all good. 166 00:10:25.600 --> 00:10:29.080 But the key is by removing the ceiling, which is 167 00:10:29.080 --> 00:10:31.799 what your thumbs represent, that flat part at the base 168 00:10:31.840 --> 00:10:35.080 of the triangle. By removing the ceiling, you're actually taking 169 00:10:35.120 --> 00:10:39.000 away a structural element, and that element is the tie 170 00:10:39.559 --> 00:10:42.120 between the ends of the roof. Because the roof really 171 00:10:42.200 --> 00:10:45.240 that triangle wants to collapse. It wants to just kind 172 00:10:45.279 --> 00:10:47.919 of fall in on itself, and it is the base 173 00:10:48.000 --> 00:10:52.080 of the triangle essentially that's holding that triangle erect and 174 00:10:52.200 --> 00:10:56.360 those that would be your ceiling joist. So taking away 175 00:10:56.480 --> 00:11:01.440 ceiling joist means that we've got to make sure, absolutely sure, 176 00:11:01.480 --> 00:11:05.080 without any question whatsoever, that the weight of the roof 177 00:11:05.159 --> 00:11:09.720 above is not going to push out, you know, and 178 00:11:10.000 --> 00:11:13.360 push the walls out as it wants to, you know, 179 00:11:14.000 --> 00:11:16.679 come down on its own weight. So normally what that 180 00:11:16.759 --> 00:11:21.039 means is a beam across the ridge that's supported by 181 00:11:21.120 --> 00:11:24.279 posts coming down on each side. Sometimes it can be 182 00:11:24.519 --> 00:11:28.039 different than that, but normally that's what that means. That's 183 00:11:28.080 --> 00:11:31.759 the first consideration. So how do we vault a roof? Well, 184 00:11:32.159 --> 00:11:34.679 the very first call I make once I decide that 185 00:11:34.759 --> 00:11:37.679 I want to raise the ceilings in a room is 186 00:11:37.799 --> 00:11:42.279 to my structural engineer, and I want to hear from 187 00:11:42.399 --> 00:11:46.399 him exactly what the consequences are if I start to 188 00:11:46.440 --> 00:11:50.000 pull out the ceiling joys and how he suggests that 189 00:11:50.039 --> 00:11:55.519 we overcome those consequences in order to have no ceiling 190 00:11:55.600 --> 00:11:59.960 in there and have the basically the roofline project up 191 00:12:00.159 --> 00:12:02.360 as the new ceiling of the roof. But that's not 192 00:12:02.480 --> 00:12:06.120 the end of the story, because there are some other considerations, 193 00:12:06.159 --> 00:12:09.240 like you said, insulation and various things in the attic, 194 00:12:09.480 --> 00:12:11.720 and you know what we're up against a break, Kathy, 195 00:12:11.879 --> 00:12:13.600 if I can pop you on hold for a second, 196 00:12:13.720 --> 00:12:17.639 this is an interesting question. I want to finish the 197 00:12:17.720 --> 00:12:19.600 answer on the other side of the break. Can you 198 00:12:19.639 --> 00:12:20.080 hang tight? 199 00:12:21.320 --> 00:12:21.919 Absolutely? 200 00:12:22.000 --> 00:12:22.360 Thank you? 201 00:12:22.840 --> 00:12:26.080 Okay, you hold tight, and we're going to talk about, 202 00:12:26.120 --> 00:12:28.759 you know, what are the practical principles or the basics 203 00:12:28.919 --> 00:12:32.320 of vaulting a ceiling inside a typical room. We will 204 00:12:32.320 --> 00:12:34.320 do that and more of your calls. 205 00:12:35.360 --> 00:12:38.679 You're listening to Home with Dean Sharp on demand from 206 00:12:38.799 --> 00:12:42.200 KFI AM six forty. 207 00:12:42.240 --> 00:12:47.000 It's an all calls Sunday eight three three two. Ask 208 00:12:47.159 --> 00:12:50.279 Dean a three to three the numeral two asking that's 209 00:12:50.320 --> 00:12:53.240 the number to reach me at. Just taking your calls now. 210 00:12:53.279 --> 00:12:56.840 Before the break, we were talking to Kathy. I want 211 00:12:56.879 --> 00:12:58.639 to make sure I didn't hang up on her. Kathy, 212 00:12:58.639 --> 00:13:02.080 you're still with me, I hear all right? 213 00:13:02.440 --> 00:13:02.720 Great. 214 00:13:04.000 --> 00:13:06.440 Kathy asked a really great question that a lot of 215 00:13:06.480 --> 00:13:09.519 people wonder about. I'm not sure I've ever been asked 216 00:13:09.559 --> 00:13:12.559 this question directly, and that is, how do we vault 217 00:13:12.559 --> 00:13:16.080 a ceiling in? You know, in a typical little, single 218 00:13:16.120 --> 00:13:19.159 story tracked home, and vaulting a ceiling is such a 219 00:13:19.200 --> 00:13:22.120 great idea, So how do we go about doing it well? 220 00:13:22.559 --> 00:13:26.720 It can be an involved process, just because every you know, 221 00:13:27.080 --> 00:13:31.080 home is different, every room condition is different. And I 222 00:13:31.120 --> 00:13:33.519 said the first before the break, I said, the first step, 223 00:13:33.720 --> 00:13:36.960 the most important step, of course, is consulting with the 224 00:13:37.000 --> 00:13:43.679 structural engineer to make sure that we are may whence 225 00:13:43.799 --> 00:13:46.879 the ceiling goes. Okay, the ceiling is not just a comfort, 226 00:13:47.399 --> 00:13:51.840 it's not just a thing that holds the attic insulation 227 00:13:52.000 --> 00:13:56.000 up in place. But quite often ceiling joyce running across 228 00:13:56.000 --> 00:13:58.720 the room from one exterior wall to another, or from 229 00:13:58.759 --> 00:14:02.519 one wall to another are performing a function of tying 230 00:14:02.559 --> 00:14:05.240 in the bottom of kind of a structural triangle. And 231 00:14:05.279 --> 00:14:08.320 if you take that out, that triangle wants to collapse down. 232 00:14:08.399 --> 00:14:11.879 Of course, we do not want that happening. So that's 233 00:14:11.919 --> 00:14:14.679 the first step along the way, figuring out how are 234 00:14:14.720 --> 00:14:17.879 we going to support the And it's not a difficult 235 00:14:17.879 --> 00:14:20.399 thing to do, okay, but we've got to figure out 236 00:14:20.399 --> 00:14:21.840 how to do it right. How are we going to 237 00:14:21.879 --> 00:14:27.159 support the roof rafters if the ceiling joyce themselves that 238 00:14:27.240 --> 00:14:31.320 were there originally are not there. Now, once that is handled, 239 00:14:31.360 --> 00:14:34.159 once that concept is resolved and we have a plan 240 00:14:34.279 --> 00:14:37.120 for that, the second thing, the story doesn't end there. 241 00:14:37.159 --> 00:14:40.879 The second thing is how are we going to properly 242 00:14:41.080 --> 00:14:45.399 insulate this room? Okay, and this is much easier than 243 00:14:45.440 --> 00:14:47.399 it seems as well, or I should say, you have 244 00:14:47.480 --> 00:14:50.399 more options now. In a big home, and I mean 245 00:14:50.440 --> 00:14:55.039 a big home, there's a good chance that the roof 246 00:14:55.159 --> 00:15:00.440 rafters are significant substantial inside now they might be made 247 00:15:00.440 --> 00:15:05.240 out of two x ten something that big, and those 248 00:15:05.279 --> 00:15:08.159 are actually easy to insulate because there's enough depth in 249 00:15:08.200 --> 00:15:12.080 the roof rafter to get the necessary insulation. Because what 250 00:15:12.159 --> 00:15:14.559 we want, what we need, what we got to have 251 00:15:15.440 --> 00:15:19.399 is our thirty rated insulation up there in what is 252 00:15:19.480 --> 00:15:23.519 now not an addicts lay so, but there are ways 253 00:15:23.559 --> 00:15:27.000 around this in a smaller home like my home. My 254 00:15:27.120 --> 00:15:31.360 home is an old like the beginning of this concept 255 00:15:31.440 --> 00:15:35.720 of in the nineteen fifties of a truss home, which 256 00:15:35.759 --> 00:15:39.879 means the rafters quote unquote of my roof are actually 257 00:15:39.960 --> 00:15:44.000 two by four and two by six, which is not 258 00:15:44.159 --> 00:15:47.759 deep enough. And maybe Kathy, you may have that, or 259 00:15:47.799 --> 00:15:50.240 you may have at most I'm guessing two by eight, 260 00:15:50.320 --> 00:15:53.320 but still that's not enough depth. Seven and a half 261 00:15:53.399 --> 00:15:56.759 inches is not enough depth to get standard our thirty 262 00:15:57.200 --> 00:16:00.159 insulation in there. And you can't just take Arthur the 263 00:16:00.159 --> 00:16:04.759 insulation and squeeze it in because the thickness of the 264 00:16:04.799 --> 00:16:08.360 insulation is what keeps it at its insulation rating, and 265 00:16:08.440 --> 00:16:12.440 so if you compress insulation down, it loses its insulation rating. 266 00:16:12.679 --> 00:16:15.200 So we've got to have that depth. And how do 267 00:16:15.240 --> 00:16:18.200 you do it well. One of the things that is 268 00:16:18.360 --> 00:16:22.039 easy to do is when you're planning on vaulting, you 269 00:16:22.279 --> 00:16:27.879 just don't commit to a full vault, meaning this I 270 00:16:28.000 --> 00:16:31.240 have taken. Once we opened up the rafters in our 271 00:16:31.320 --> 00:16:35.000 family room area and supported the ridge so that it's 272 00:16:35.039 --> 00:16:40.720 all stable now. I then took another set of rafts 273 00:16:40.759 --> 00:16:43.879 and what you call a false vault, another set of 274 00:16:44.000 --> 00:16:49.240 rafters that aren't the roof rafters, and set them below 275 00:16:49.600 --> 00:16:52.879 the rafters and to the sides, what we call sistering them, 276 00:16:53.519 --> 00:16:56.039 so that we ended up with the depth. Now, what 277 00:16:56.080 --> 00:16:59.159 it did was and nobody ever notices this, No one 278 00:16:59.320 --> 00:17:02.279 ever walks into my house ever comments on this. But 279 00:17:02.639 --> 00:17:06.759 instead of an eight foot ceiling right at the wall line, 280 00:17:06.960 --> 00:17:11.400 my ceiling is more like seven foot six right at 281 00:17:11.440 --> 00:17:14.599 the wall line. The reason that doesn't matter is because 282 00:17:14.599 --> 00:17:17.960 it immediately starts heading upwards at an angle, and so 283 00:17:18.160 --> 00:17:21.720 no one cares. And so what we've essentially done is 284 00:17:21.799 --> 00:17:27.319 created another ceiling underneath the roof rafter line that enables 285 00:17:27.440 --> 00:17:30.000 us to have enough room to get the insulation and 286 00:17:30.119 --> 00:17:33.279 any duct work or anything else that we need fiddling 287 00:17:33.319 --> 00:17:35.920 around up in there. All that people know when they 288 00:17:35.960 --> 00:17:43.680 walk into our home is that that room, the dining room, entryway, kitchen, 289 00:17:43.759 --> 00:17:47.279 and family room area has a vaulted ceiling. And everybody 290 00:17:47.319 --> 00:17:50.119 looks up and you just assume that's the bottom of 291 00:17:50.160 --> 00:17:52.759 the roof. But it's not the bottom of the roof. 292 00:17:52.880 --> 00:17:55.400 It's a few inches below the bottom of the roof. 293 00:17:55.720 --> 00:18:00.400 And because of that, it's all snugly insulated, nice tight. 294 00:18:00.799 --> 00:18:03.279 I got cables running back and forth across it. I've 295 00:18:03.279 --> 00:18:05.400 got all the room I need to do all the 296 00:18:05.440 --> 00:18:08.720 things we wanted to do, and yet it is a 297 00:18:08.839 --> 00:18:12.799 vaulted ceiling. And so, my friend, that is kind of 298 00:18:12.839 --> 00:18:15.519 the process you go through in order to do it. 299 00:18:15.759 --> 00:18:20.559 Number One, you've got to make sure that structurally the 300 00:18:20.640 --> 00:18:23.559 house is in no way, shape or form compromised by 301 00:18:23.559 --> 00:18:27.200 the removal of the ceiling. And once you do this, 302 00:18:27.359 --> 00:18:30.200 by the way, today here's the nice thing. You live 303 00:18:30.200 --> 00:18:32.759 in a twenty year old home. I live in a 304 00:18:32.799 --> 00:18:37.839 sixty year old home or seventy year old home. And 305 00:18:39.839 --> 00:18:44.200 once an engineer has fixed up how to vault the ceiling, 306 00:18:45.079 --> 00:18:49.559 that is twenty first century, twenty twenty four engineering. It 307 00:18:49.599 --> 00:18:52.839 actually makes the house stronger than it was without the vault, 308 00:18:53.440 --> 00:18:56.680 just because the engineering standards are so much higher. So 309 00:18:56.799 --> 00:19:00.640 that's a great thing. And then once that's handled, then 310 00:19:00.799 --> 00:19:04.240 it's all about being tricky with the framing so that 311 00:19:04.519 --> 00:19:07.079 esthetically we get the full effect of the vault, but 312 00:19:07.160 --> 00:19:10.640 you still get the chambers up inside there to get 313 00:19:10.680 --> 00:19:13.960 all the adequate insulation and stuff running. Now, if you 314 00:19:14.000 --> 00:19:17.440 want to do a pure vault into the roof rafters, 315 00:19:17.839 --> 00:19:19.720 you can do that too. I'm just going to share 316 00:19:19.759 --> 00:19:22.720 this last little bit. The difference is you're going to 317 00:19:22.880 --> 00:19:29.200 use spray in insulation, closed cell spray in insulation it's expensive, 318 00:19:30.160 --> 00:19:33.359 but spray in closed cell insulation can give you that 319 00:19:33.640 --> 00:19:38.480 R thirty in a relatively shallow area of a roofline. 320 00:19:38.599 --> 00:19:41.559 That's another way of doing it, but it's actually less 321 00:19:41.559 --> 00:19:45.839 expensive to drop in a false ceiling and use standard 322 00:19:45.839 --> 00:19:48.440 insulation to get your R thirty then to go spray in. 323 00:19:48.640 --> 00:19:50.079 And that's my story. 324 00:19:51.599 --> 00:19:53.799 Thank you so much. I really appreciate your help. 325 00:19:54.200 --> 00:19:57.400 Does that help give you some perspective on how you 326 00:19:57.440 --> 00:20:00.400 approach yours? Does? 327 00:20:00.759 --> 00:20:02.400 Thank you? And I have a small house too, and 328 00:20:02.440 --> 00:20:04.359 I thought that would be really pretty if I did that. 329 00:20:04.839 --> 00:20:07.599 Oh my gosh, Kathy, it will. It's it's a it's 330 00:20:07.640 --> 00:20:10.960 a game changer. It truly, truly is a game changer. 331 00:20:11.119 --> 00:20:13.000 All you have to do, I say, all you have 332 00:20:13.039 --> 00:20:15.400 to do if you ever get the time to spend 333 00:20:15.480 --> 00:20:19.680 any time traveling through Europe and find these small rooms, 334 00:20:20.200 --> 00:20:22.920 you know, eight by ten rooms, ten by ten foot 335 00:20:23.000 --> 00:20:27.319 rooms with fourteen foot ceilings in them, you realize how 336 00:20:27.359 --> 00:20:30.720 important it is that the volume up above your head, 337 00:20:30.759 --> 00:20:33.880 how it changes the feel of a small space. And 338 00:20:34.200 --> 00:20:37.480 so that principle holds true, and it's why vaulting a 339 00:20:37.519 --> 00:20:40.680 ceiling in a home is just a really cool maneuver 340 00:20:40.799 --> 00:20:45.240 to do, especially especially in a smaller home. That's it, Kathy, 341 00:20:45.440 --> 00:20:48.440 Thank you so much for your call. Great call, great question, 342 00:20:49.039 --> 00:20:50.880 and we're going to have more of them. I see 343 00:20:50.920 --> 00:20:51.960 you all lined up here. 344 00:20:52.799 --> 00:20:56.119 You're listening to Home with Dean Sharp on demand from 345 00:20:56.200 --> 00:21:00.799 KFI AM six forty. 346 00:21:00.880 --> 00:21:05.000 It is an all calls Sunday morning here on the program, 347 00:21:05.559 --> 00:21:09.720 the Sunday before Christmas twenty twenty four. We're just chilling 348 00:21:09.920 --> 00:21:12.759 and we are talking with you. You're setting the agenda. 349 00:21:12.920 --> 00:21:14.880 You didn't know when you woke up this morning that 350 00:21:14.960 --> 00:21:17.200 you were actually in charge of my show, but you 351 00:21:17.279 --> 00:21:19.559 are because whatever it is that you want to talk about, 352 00:21:19.599 --> 00:21:21.680 that's what we're talking about today. So let's get back 353 00:21:21.720 --> 00:21:26.319 to the phones. Sound good. Let's talk to Sally. Hey, Sally, 354 00:21:26.839 --> 00:21:27.799 welcome home. 355 00:21:29.160 --> 00:21:31.960 Hi, thank you. I have a question about my nineteen 356 00:21:32.000 --> 00:21:36.440 fifty seven got home. I keep getting these letters in 357 00:21:36.480 --> 00:21:39.319 the mail from I think the gas company asking me 358 00:21:39.519 --> 00:21:41.920 if I want insurance for my gas and sewer lines 359 00:21:42.279 --> 00:21:44.799 that go from my home to the street. Yeah, And 360 00:21:44.839 --> 00:21:46.759 I just want to know is that I mean I 361 00:21:46.839 --> 00:21:49.079 kind of worry about the sewer line, the gas line. 362 00:21:49.079 --> 00:21:53.119 I never even gave a second bot to being the 363 00:21:53.119 --> 00:21:55.880 age of my house and have no idea what kind 364 00:21:55.880 --> 00:21:57.599 of pipes it has. Yeah. 365 00:21:57.680 --> 00:22:01.599 Yeah, so yeah, yeah, I you know, I think everybody 366 00:22:01.880 --> 00:22:04.079 it is a really good question, because I'm pretty sure 367 00:22:04.079 --> 00:22:09.160 everybody in southern California has consistently received those letters, now, 368 00:22:09.279 --> 00:22:11.279 I mean we get them. I don't know how how 369 00:22:11.319 --> 00:22:13.279 often do we get a letter from the gas company, 370 00:22:13.319 --> 00:22:17.200 Tina saying do you want insurance on the exterior lines? 371 00:22:17.319 --> 00:22:20.160 Like it once a year, a couple of times anyway. 372 00:22:20.640 --> 00:22:23.599 So I think they're covering, They're they're reaching out to everybody. 373 00:22:23.920 --> 00:22:27.880 Uh okay, So I don't have a definitive answer for you, 374 00:22:28.119 --> 00:22:31.039 but I can tell you this you just got. It's 375 00:22:31.160 --> 00:22:34.519 as with all insurance. Uh, you've got to read the 376 00:22:34.559 --> 00:22:41.759 fine print, because my understanding of this situation, it's actually 377 00:22:41.799 --> 00:22:45.480 not the gas company that's doing the insuring. It is 378 00:22:45.720 --> 00:22:49.519 a partner company, an insurance company, I believe, so cal 379 00:22:49.640 --> 00:22:52.319 It's Home Serve is the name of the company that 380 00:22:52.640 --> 00:22:58.200 is right Home Serve. So they're a mega, mega insurance company. 381 00:22:58.599 --> 00:23:03.720 And uh and and it's it's inexpensive. I think it's 382 00:23:03.759 --> 00:23:07.480 just a few dollars a month, Okay, So you weigh 383 00:23:07.599 --> 00:23:12.960 that against whether or not you know there are enough 384 00:23:13.680 --> 00:23:17.079 you know, coverage areas to make it worth your while. 385 00:23:17.279 --> 00:23:20.079 And what I mean is, as with all insurance policies, 386 00:23:20.160 --> 00:23:23.519 especially when it comes to homeowner insurance of any sort whatsoever, 387 00:23:24.279 --> 00:23:27.559 usually the list of exclusions is like four times as 388 00:23:27.599 --> 00:23:31.240 long as the list of coverage. Okay, and so, and 389 00:23:31.279 --> 00:23:35.079 that's the thing. I'll tell you this. And now I'm 390 00:23:35.079 --> 00:23:38.880 gonna by saying this, I'm gonna lose any potential endorsement 391 00:23:38.960 --> 00:23:45.279 from the gas company. So this call is costing me money, Sally. 392 00:23:45.599 --> 00:23:51.119 That's all here. Uh, we have not opted to do 393 00:23:51.200 --> 00:23:53.559 it at our home. And it's not just because well 394 00:23:53.599 --> 00:23:55.119 you know, I'm a builder and I know how to 395 00:23:55.160 --> 00:23:58.400 do it. It's not about that. It's just that I 396 00:23:58.559 --> 00:24:01.359 found for us that the list of exclusions, I mean, 397 00:24:01.400 --> 00:24:04.359 it just went on and on and on and on 398 00:24:04.880 --> 00:24:08.359 as far as like acts of God, flood fire, this 399 00:24:08.960 --> 00:24:13.279 nothing gets covered nuclear war like like I would be 400 00:24:13.400 --> 00:24:19.359 concerned about my sure lyne after the nuclear bomb goes off. 401 00:24:19.519 --> 00:24:23.279