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<v Speaker 1>John nine says, we have a cloudy day to day.

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<v Speaker 1>I have twenty two and be careful on the roads.

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<v Speaker 1>Dating the obvious if you're out there, but if you

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<v Speaker 1>plan on going out and find some slick spots, so

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<v Speaker 1>please watch it. Overnight low of thirteen with clouds high

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<v Speaker 1>thirty Tomorrow. Flood warning ends at one thirty and we'll

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<v Speaker 1>see some sun clouds every night down to thirteen and

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<v Speaker 1>a clear day on Saturday with a high thirty seven

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<v Speaker 2>Right now, traffic time.

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<v Speaker 3>From you see up traffic center and do you see health.

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<v Speaker 4>You'll find comprehensive care that's so personal and make sure

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<v Speaker 4>best tomorrow possible. That's boundless care for better outcomes. Expect

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<v Speaker 4>more at you sehealth dot com. We'rell morning on seventy

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<v Speaker 4>five southbound shut down with traffic being diverted off at

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<v Speaker 4>the paddock.

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<v Speaker 3>HiT's over a half hour to lay out of Lackland.

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<v Speaker 4>Northbound seventy five lane's blocked with an accident above seventy four.

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<v Speaker 4>Chuck Ingram on fifty five KRCEE Deep Talk Station.

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<v Speaker 2>Six thirty.

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<v Speaker 1>Happy Thursday, Brian Thomas always interested and happy when FOP

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<v Speaker 1>president Ken Kober joins the program Fraternal Order of Peace

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<v Speaker 1>Chapter sixty nine, representing the CINCINNTI Police Department. But talk

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<v Speaker 1>about today what they and the firefighters are concerned about,

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<v Speaker 1>which is the Cincinnati What is the Community Responder Program? Ken,

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<v Speaker 1>welcome back to the Morning Show. Good to hear from you.

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<v Speaker 5>Thank good morning, Brian, thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, let's start with what is the Community Responder Program?

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<v Speaker 1>This is something set up by city hall or by

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<v Speaker 1>the by city council.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>So this program is actually developed by the communications director

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<v Speaker 5>emergency communications director, and the idea behind it is to

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<v Speaker 5>basically take civilians that are going to answer calls for

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<v Speaker 5>service instead of having things that traditionally the police do,

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<v Speaker 5>like calls.

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<v Speaker 3>In the nine to one one.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, So when the call comes in from nine to

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<v Speaker 5>one one, then the communications director has instructed the dispatchers

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<v Speaker 5>to instead of dispatching the police, they're going to dispatch

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<v Speaker 5>the civilians instead of the police for certain runs.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that sounds like it might come with inherent dangers

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<v Speaker 1>for people who are not trained law enforcement professionals.

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<v Speaker 5>It's been proven already to be rather disastrous. Oh really,

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<v Speaker 5>especially for the citizens.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, okay, and these are employees of the city

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<v Speaker 1>that are doing this.

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<v Speaker 5>That's correct.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So paid employees from the city are responding to

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<v Speaker 1>what otherwise would have been a traditional police nine to

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<v Speaker 1>one to one response. He said, it's been a disaster.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you give my listeners and me an illustration and

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<v Speaker 1>maybe where something went sort of sideways on the citizen.

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<v Speaker 5>Sure. So one of the things that they're doing is

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<v Speaker 5>they're having them respond to auto accidents and instead of

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<v Speaker 5>their theory was well, we're going to lighten the load

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<v Speaker 5>on the police. However, what they're doing is they're showing

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<v Speaker 5>up going to a crash scene and telling them well,

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<v Speaker 5>if you want to report, just go to the police district.

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<v Speaker 5>But what we've seen so far is happening. Two particular

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<v Speaker 5>egregious instances is where they showed up a woman who

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<v Speaker 5>was visibly pregnant, I think she was like eight months pregnant,

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<v Speaker 5>was injured in an auto accident, and instead of calling

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<v Speaker 5>for an ambulance, he said, we'll just go to the

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<v Speaker 5>police district and have a police report fouled up, that's

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<v Speaker 5>what you want to do. So you have an injured

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<v Speaker 5>pregnant woman shows up at the police district and they're like,

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<v Speaker 5>what is this Another one was a guy shows up

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<v Speaker 5>at the district So, yeah, these civilian people told us

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<v Speaker 5>to just come here and follow this police report. He goes,

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<v Speaker 5>but I'm kind of confused because the woman that.

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<v Speaker 3>Hit me was visibly drunk. There you go, they let

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<v Speaker 3>her drive away.

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<v Speaker 1>Just getting ready to ask that it had been trained

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<v Speaker 1>in recognizing impaired driving. Do they know what to look for?

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<v Speaker 1>Can they administer the traditional test to determine whether someone

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<v Speaker 1>is impaired behind the wheel or are they just going

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<v Speaker 1>to overlook something like that that's concerning.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, sure it is.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I mean the liability that the city assuming by

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<v Speaker 5>having one of their employees just let somebody that either

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<v Speaker 5>didn't recognize it or is still equipped to recognize these

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<v Speaker 5>kind of things, they let them.

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<v Speaker 2>Drive away, drive away.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my word.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I guess I got a little burning question go

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<v Speaker 1>on in the back of my head here. If you

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<v Speaker 1>had a full contingent of police officers, in other words,

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<v Speaker 1>if you weren't behind in numbers by how many of

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<v Speaker 1>you down now like three hundred or so, Now we're

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<v Speaker 1>down one hundred and forty, one hundred and forty. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>if you had those one hundred and forty officers now

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<v Speaker 1>working and UH with the police with actively with the

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<v Speaker 1>police department. Would this would these community responders even be necessary?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, aren't they supposed to? And this sounds like

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<v Speaker 1>a band aid solution they came up with to avoid

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<v Speaker 1>hiring more police officers.

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<v Speaker 5>That's exactly what we suspect is going on.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and that's where your union contract comes in, right.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, sure, you know the collective bargaining agreement that we

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<v Speaker 5>have says that the work that is traditionally of a

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<v Speaker 5>if they want someone else to do that work, then

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<v Speaker 5>it has to be negotiated. So I sent a season

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<v Speaker 5>desist order last August when they came up with this

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<v Speaker 5>plan and told them that if this is something that

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<v Speaker 5>you want to do, you must first negotiate it with

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<v Speaker 5>the FOP. They just turned a blind eye to it

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<v Speaker 5>once they started hiring people. Is when we decided to

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<v Speaker 5>take action and we filed an unfair labor practice.

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<v Speaker 1>FOP president can cover. I'm going to keep you a

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<v Speaker 1>hold over the breaker. I got a few more questions

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<v Speaker 1>to dive on into on this one. Let's pause and

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<v Speaker 1>we'll continue this conversation. After I mentioned oder exit, which

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<v Speaker 1>won't get rid of the stenchion of politics tends to come

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<v Speaker 1>up a lot, but no it doesn't. But a hump

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<v Speaker 1>comes with a one hundred percent satisfaction guarantee to get

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<v Speaker 1>rid of the odors that are common around households and

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<v Speaker 1>cars wherever oders might be smoke, mold, mildew, human owners,

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<v Speaker 1>pet oders, skunk spray, all of that and so much

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<v Speaker 1>more dead rodent kind of stuff. Yeah, oder exit has

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<v Speaker 1>a product for all of that. So check out odor

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<v Speaker 1>exit dot com od o r XIT. It's so easy

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<v Speaker 1>to figure out which are the products that you need,

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<v Speaker 1>or just buy all of them so you have them

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<v Speaker 1>in the house and when you for when you need them,

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<v Speaker 1>use as directed. If it doesn't work, then you get

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<v Speaker 1>your money back. I mean, you know you can buy

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<v Speaker 1>with confidence with a program like that and buy it

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<v Speaker 1>online because it'll be delivered to your front door tomorrow

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<v Speaker 1>if you order before three pm, or go out and

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<v Speaker 1>buy it locally one of the many many local establishments

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<v Speaker 1>that sell the odor Exit products. I mean, we've got

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<v Speaker 1>a a cab around the corner from us and they

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<v Speaker 1>carry them. But there's a search engine on the website

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<v Speaker 1>odo exit dot com where you can do that. Been

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<v Speaker 1>in business for twenty five years, and they are a

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<v Speaker 1>local company. So support the local company and put a

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<v Speaker 1>smile on your face knowing you get rid of the

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<v Speaker 1>odors that you've been trying to get rid of odor

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<v Speaker 1>Exit dot.

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<v Speaker 2>Com fifty five car the talk station. Most people think

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<v Speaker 2>they'll spend less money in.

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<v Speaker 1>Acre's You're nine first morning with a forecasts slick out

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<v Speaker 1>there to be real careful.

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<v Speaker 2>Today's side just twenty two degrees.

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<v Speaker 1>And it'll be cloudy all day today. If you've flirted,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe this morning overnight time to thirteen with clouds. I

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<v Speaker 1>have thirty tomorrow with some sun and the flood warning

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<v Speaker 1>ending at one thirty pm over nineteen to thirteen with

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<v Speaker 1>clouds and a clear Saturday Saturday going up to thirty

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<v Speaker 1>seven degrees.

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<v Speaker 2>Right now it's fifteen degrees in time for traffic.

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<v Speaker 3>From the UCLP Traffic Center. And do you see health.

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<v Speaker 4>You'll find comprehensive care that's so personal and make sure

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<v Speaker 4>best tomorrow possible. That's boundless care for better outcomes. Expect

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<v Speaker 4>more at youseehealth dot com. We'rell morning on seventy five

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<v Speaker 4>southbound shutdown with traffic being diverted off at Paddock. HiT's

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<v Speaker 4>over a half hour delay out of Lachlan northbound seventy five.

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<v Speaker 4>Let lane's blocked with an accident above seventy four. Chuck

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<v Speaker 4>Ingram on fifty five KRSNE theme talk Station.

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<v Speaker 1>Six thirty eighth about krc Detalk station Brian Thomas with

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<v Speaker 1>FOP President Kencobe. We're talking about this greater since a

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<v Speaker 1>community responder program where they sends civilians out on what

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<v Speaker 1>otherwise we'd be normally a police run after someone calls

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<v Speaker 1>in the complaint. Really troubled by that whole automobile accident

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<v Speaker 1>thing because you anticipated exactly where I was going, because

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<v Speaker 1>it could be an ov I situation. Are these are

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<v Speaker 1>these citizen responders? Are they trained on any level?

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<v Speaker 3>Ken?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know?

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<v Speaker 5>So? They're given some kind of bare bones training. I

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<v Speaker 5>think the training was like six weeks total to cover

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<v Speaker 5>a myriad of things. But one thing that they're not

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<v Speaker 5>equipped to handle is defending themselves if they get into

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<v Speaker 5>a rather violent situation.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Across the country, we hear all the time about officers

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<v Speaker 5>that show up to a minor auto accent they get ambushed.

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<v Speaker 5>I was gonna say, yeah, means to offend themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>You Quite often situations can devolve from the mundane to

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<v Speaker 1>the violent. I mean, people can just kind of lose

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<v Speaker 1>their wits on a moment's notice. So so these citizen

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<v Speaker 1>responders are themselves maybe in peril. Let me ask you this.

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<v Speaker 1>Do they wear body cameras ken.

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<v Speaker 3>No, of course not.

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<v Speaker 5>Why would they need to do that. That's just reserved

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<v Speaker 5>for the police.

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<v Speaker 1>Do they have radios so they can call in for

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<v Speaker 1>backup with more citizens to show up if there's a problem.

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<v Speaker 5>Right exactly. And that's the other part of this. If

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<v Speaker 5>they get into a situation that they're ill equipped to

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<v Speaker 5>handle and they come over screaming on the radio. Now

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<v Speaker 5>you have the police that are going to be driving

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<v Speaker 5>lights and sirens at high speech, trying to get there

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<v Speaker 5>to protect somebody that has no way to protect themselves,

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<v Speaker 5>and it's only putting the police in even more danger.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess I have to ask this sort of out loud.

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<v Speaker 1>Did the city ever contemplate any of these problems when

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<v Speaker 1>they shove this thing through? Do they consult with the

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<v Speaker 1>because the firefighters union apparently is a little miffed about

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<v Speaker 1>this as well.

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<v Speaker 3>Well.

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<v Speaker 5>I can only assume that they did not or they

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<v Speaker 5>just didn't care what the response was.

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<v Speaker 2>But you're right.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean that's the same way the fire department now

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<v Speaker 5>following suit with the FOP, and they're following unfair labor

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<v Speaker 5>practice themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have any idea how much these citizen responders

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<v Speaker 1>are paid.

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<v Speaker 5>I looked at I think their average salary is somewhere

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<v Speaker 5>between sixty and ninety thousand a year.

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<v Speaker 1>Holy crap, I mean that's you're in You're in police

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<v Speaker 1>wage territory, there are you not?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, they're getting close. And this is the this is

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<v Speaker 5>the biggest problem aside from the safety aspect. They're really

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<v Speaker 5>not lightening the load for the police because they show

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<v Speaker 5>up to an auto accident, they don't investigate it, and

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<v Speaker 5>they look at the people that are involved and go, hey,

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<v Speaker 5>just show up at the district. But here's the problem.

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<v Speaker 5>So you have two people that are involved in an

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<v Speaker 5>to your local police district finer report. They're only telling

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<v Speaker 5>one person that they need to go, which, of course

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<v Speaker 5>then only one person shows up. And you know, I

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<v Speaker 5>got one side of the story. You don't have the

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<v Speaker 5>other person's information. But let me just say for a

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<v Speaker 5>You have a person that lives on the east side

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<v Speaker 5>and they go to District two. How do you merge

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<v Speaker 5>those police reports and the answers You can't. Well, so

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<v Speaker 5>you have two different police reports going on, and you

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<v Speaker 5>know the same, the facts are different. It's an absolute

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<v Speaker 5>disservice to the people that live, work, and play in

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<v Speaker 5>Cincinnati that they have to even deal with this kind

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<v Speaker 2>Well do they issue citations.

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<v Speaker 5>No, they don't even investigate the crash. They just show

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, that's a pretty valuable piece of information for someone

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<v Speaker 1>who's going to make an insurance claim that guy hit me,

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<v Speaker 1>he owes me and needs to pay me back for

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<v Speaker 1>my out of pocket responsibilities under my autobile insurance. Or

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<v Speaker 1>if you don't have any for the damage done by

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<v Speaker 1>the accident, Oh my god, my neck hurts, I've got

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<v Speaker 1>medical bills. Now, all these things become critical questions in

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<v Speaker 1>an automobile accident, even if it doesn't involve into violence

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<v Speaker 1>and they're not in a position to issue a citation.

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<v Speaker 1>Or make a determination as the responsibility. Oh great, then

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<v Speaker 1>you're never going to get one. Sure, this is the

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<v Speaker 1>most ill conceit. Well, I can't say I've ever heard of,

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<v Speaker 1>because we all know things from government. We can go

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<v Speaker 1>down and spend hours and hours talking about stupidity.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, And I guess.

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<v Speaker 1>One of them is going to get hurt someday too,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's going to be a real problem.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no doubt.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, that's that's so me looking at us from the

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<v Speaker 5>human side of this. You're notwithstanding the legal side, They're

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<v Speaker 5>going to get somebody hurt. They're going to get somebody killed,

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<v Speaker 5>whether it's a citizen, whether it's one of these community responders.

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<v Speaker 5>And that's just something that it's going to happen. It's inevitable.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a shame.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, where is it in terms of I know, you

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<v Speaker 1>send a cease and desist order to stop this program

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<v Speaker 1>from going through. It went through anyway, and I guess

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<v Speaker 1>they're actively using this program right now.

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<v Speaker 2>It's correct.

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<v Speaker 1>So what's the next step for the union for the

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<v Speaker 1>Police and Firefighters Union in this process?

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<v Speaker 5>So we filed the unfair labor practice with the State

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<v Speaker 5>Employment Relations Board. They've investigated it, and they've ordered us

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<v Speaker 5>to go to mediation. So next month I'll be going

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<v Speaker 5>up to Columbus and We'll be trying to mediate the situation.

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<v Speaker 2>All right.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and if the mediation doesn't work, because you're not

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<v Speaker 1>bound by any mediation unless you both mutually agreed to

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<v Speaker 1>resolve it under the terms of the mediation, do you

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<v Speaker 1>go to arbitration then or do you end up in

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<v Speaker 1>front of a judge?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, to go back to the state Employment Relations Board

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<v Speaker 5>for them to investigate further and decide how they wanted

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<v Speaker 5>to get it resolved.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Well, I hope they resolved. To point out

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<v Speaker 1>to the city since saying this sounds like a really

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<v Speaker 1>bad idea. Do you know where the funds came from

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<v Speaker 1>to hire these people? This is just comes out of

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<v Speaker 1>the city, the general fund. All right.

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<v Speaker 3>They've got some really.

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<v Speaker 5>Nice vehicles too. I mean, we can't get we can't

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<v Speaker 5>get new police cars. But yeah, they've got an electric Mustang.

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<v Speaker 5>They've got some nice Chevy Silverados. And that's certainly a

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<v Speaker 5>little bit of reb on the police as well as

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<v Speaker 5>they are driving cars that they have two hundred and

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<v Speaker 5>fifty thousand miles on them and they're going but these

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<v Speaker 5>people have brand new cars.

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<v Speaker 2>That's kind of neat.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and do you know how many of them there

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<v Speaker 1>are before we part company today, Ken.

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<v Speaker 5>I think there's like a half dozen so far.

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<v Speaker 3>So far?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so far?

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, this just sounds like stupid all across it. And

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<v Speaker 1>I hope for some reason this does violate the terms

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<v Speaker 1>of your collective bargaining agreement, so we can put it

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<v Speaker 1>into this program and maybe save lives and also help

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<v Speaker 1>people resolve their insurance claims during automobile accidents. Ken, I

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<v Speaker 1>feel for you, man, keep up the great work you're

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<v Speaker 1>doing on behalf of the police department, and God bless

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<v Speaker 1>all of the members of the Cincinnati Police Department and

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<v Speaker 1>for what you do each and every day.

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<v Speaker 5>Sure well, thanks, Brian, appreciate you having me.

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<v Speaker 1>It's my pleasure, man. I get this information out for

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<v Speaker 1>my listeners can find out about it. And another information

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<v Speaker 1>I want to get out affordable imaging. Yeah, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>affordable at a hospital. Your imaging department at the hospital

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<v Speaker 1>will charge you maybe thirty five hundred dollars for an

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<v Speaker 1>echo cardiogram, and that's a lot of money. A lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people need echo cardiograms. You're always going to need

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<v Speaker 1>some image at some point and some time. I've had

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<v Speaker 1>multiples in my life, MRI, CT scans, echo cardiograms, how

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<v Speaker 1>about an ultrasound or a lung screening or a cardiac scoring.

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<v Speaker 1>They're just all outrageously priced at a hospital because you

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<v Speaker 1>can do a comparison and you can go any place

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<v Speaker 1>Affordable imaging Services for more than forty years has been

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<v Speaker 1>using the same type of equipment hospitals used to provide

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<v Speaker 1>these images for a fraction, I mean a really really

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<v Speaker 1>use the echo cardigram for example, Affordable imaging services five

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<v Speaker 1>So you want to pay thirty five hundred dollars or

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<v Speaker 1>five hundred dollars and Affordable imaging services. Every image they

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<v Speaker 1>do comes with a board certified radiologist report, which both

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<v Speaker 1>I've gone down there several times. I got my next

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<v Speaker 1>professionals in the same kind of hospital equipment. What do

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<v Speaker 1>you care whether there's marble flooring or not. Right, that's

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<v Speaker 1>my take on it anyway, So save heap loads of money.

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