WEBVTT 1 00:00:23.519 --> 00:00:25.960 Six forty is later with mo Kelli alive everywhere on 2 00:00:26.000 --> 00:00:29.559 the iHeartRadio app. We're continuing to monitor the events on 3 00:00:29.640 --> 00:00:33.600 the five Freeway, so if anything changes other than the obvious, 4 00:00:33.759 --> 00:00:36.679 like the traffic getting any better, will definitely let you know. 5 00:00:37.119 --> 00:00:40.119 Mark Ronner is following yet in the KFI twenty four 6 00:00:40.119 --> 00:00:43.719 hour newsroom will have periodic updates. But there's so much 7 00:00:43.719 --> 00:00:47.000 going on, not only in southern California, but the world. 8 00:00:47.520 --> 00:00:52.880 Now that Hurricane Milton has left the area, we can 9 00:00:52.920 --> 00:00:58.399 focus on some of the issues surrounding the hurricane. I 10 00:00:58.439 --> 00:01:00.920 didn't know that we are at the point here in 11 00:01:00.960 --> 00:01:06.159 America that meteor weather folks, I can't even say the 12 00:01:06.200 --> 00:01:13.200 word weather. Folks are getting death threats because these conspiracy 13 00:01:13.319 --> 00:01:21.959 theories regarding the hurricane, regarding FEMA, regarding what the government 14 00:01:22.079 --> 00:01:25.959 is telling us, it has now pushed people to the 15 00:01:26.159 --> 00:01:31.040 point of insanity. I don't know who to blame. I 16 00:01:31.200 --> 00:01:34.959 just know that America is in a very dangerous place 17 00:01:35.319 --> 00:01:40.359 right now. We can point to the two assassination attempts 18 00:01:40.359 --> 00:01:44.040 against former President Trump. You may not know this, but 19 00:01:44.280 --> 00:01:47.000 the offices of Kamala Harris have been shot up three 20 00:01:47.040 --> 00:01:51.280 times in one month. That's where we are in America 21 00:01:52.120 --> 00:01:55.519 because for whatever reasons, we see the other side as 22 00:01:55.879 --> 00:02:00.120 the enemy. And now we're trying to threaten the live 23 00:02:00.200 --> 00:02:04.079 of weather people because they're somehow part of the deep state. 24 00:02:04.599 --> 00:02:08.360 They are now lying to us. They are pushing some 25 00:02:08.599 --> 00:02:10.400 agenda of climate change. 26 00:02:10.479 --> 00:02:11.520 No, they're trying. 27 00:02:11.199 --> 00:02:14.719 To save you, so you don't die in your house 28 00:02:14.800 --> 00:02:18.520 because there is a hurricane not generated by the government, 29 00:02:19.120 --> 00:02:22.360 a hurricane over your head. 30 00:02:23.599 --> 00:02:24.479 How did we get here. 31 00:02:25.080 --> 00:02:29.400 We didn't get here overnight, but we walked ourselves right 32 00:02:29.479 --> 00:02:30.319 up to this moment. 33 00:02:31.599 --> 00:02:34.520 We have forgotten the value of truth. 34 00:02:35.360 --> 00:02:39.560 We have forgotten the value of facts, and now we 35 00:02:39.599 --> 00:02:44.879 want to curate our world to fit our worldview. You 36 00:02:44.919 --> 00:02:48.599 didn't catch that we want to curate our world to 37 00:02:48.719 --> 00:02:54.719 fit our worldview, and this is what happens. We get angry. Then, 38 00:02:54.800 --> 00:02:58.599 when presented with facts, we get angry. When presented with weather, 39 00:02:59.000 --> 00:03:01.479 we get angry. And presented with the idea that the 40 00:03:01.520 --> 00:03:04.919 government does have a role to play in the management 41 00:03:05.280 --> 00:03:10.120 and protection of this nation, we're arguing back and forth 42 00:03:10.159 --> 00:03:14.560 about whether a vice president has any business calling calling 43 00:03:14.599 --> 00:03:19.919 the governor of a state, because somehow that's political. And 44 00:03:20.000 --> 00:03:22.159 if I had more time, I would detail all the 45 00:03:22.159 --> 00:03:27.240 ways that vice presidents usually do involve themselves when they're 46 00:03:27.319 --> 00:03:32.919 national issues, emergencies, disasters, because that is a person of 47 00:03:32.960 --> 00:03:35.280 the administration. The president may do one thing, the vice 48 00:03:35.319 --> 00:03:38.439 president may do another thing. But now everything's looked through 49 00:03:38.439 --> 00:03:42.719 the lens of politics. Everything is looked through some sort 50 00:03:42.759 --> 00:03:46.840 of conspiracy lens. I never thought in my life, and 51 00:03:46.919 --> 00:03:48.919 I hope that people don't take this as some sort 52 00:03:48.960 --> 00:03:51.960 of partisan comment, But I've never thought that I would 53 00:03:51.960 --> 00:03:54.400 ever experience a time in my life where a sitting 54 00:03:54.520 --> 00:03:59.680 member of Congress would allege that her own government, that 55 00:03:59.719 --> 00:04:03.599 she's a part of, mind you, her own government is 56 00:04:03.800 --> 00:04:10.719 somehow controlling the weather to the detriment of particular individuals 57 00:04:10.759 --> 00:04:15.240 of a certain party. I never, in my fifty four 58 00:04:15.360 --> 00:04:18.959 years of life would ever think that that would be 59 00:04:19.000 --> 00:04:22.240 a reality. But that's where we are today, and some 60 00:04:22.279 --> 00:04:26.759 people listening right now are aokay with it. If it's you, 61 00:04:27.480 --> 00:04:31.879 then it's you. But how did we get here? How 62 00:04:31.879 --> 00:04:34.680 do we get to the point where facts no longer matter? 63 00:04:35.600 --> 00:04:37.519 How do we get here to the point that we 64 00:04:37.680 --> 00:04:41.360 feel the need that if we don't like the political opposition, 65 00:04:41.759 --> 00:04:45.639 we need to take that person out. How do we 66 00:04:45.680 --> 00:04:48.040 get here. No, the actual the better question, the more 67 00:04:48.040 --> 00:04:52.360 important question is how do we get back from here? 68 00:04:52.439 --> 00:04:55.800 How do we go back to some sense of normality. 69 00:04:55.839 --> 00:04:57.720 How do we get to a point where we have 70 00:04:57.800 --> 00:05:00.720 a level or a modicum of respect for one another 71 00:05:00.759 --> 00:05:03.759 as Americans? Because maybe you didn't know there's an election 72 00:05:03.920 --> 00:05:08.160 around the corner and someone has to win and someone 73 00:05:08.240 --> 00:05:11.079 has to lose. God help us all when we find 74 00:05:11.120 --> 00:05:13.160 out who is who and what is what? 75 00:05:14.160 --> 00:05:16.360 Because I don't know if we'll be able to make 76 00:05:16.360 --> 00:05:17.240 it through this election. 77 00:05:17.480 --> 00:05:20.519 We can't even make it through two hurricanes in two weeks. 78 00:05:22.480 --> 00:05:23.959 But we're supposed to make it through an election. 79 00:05:25.040 --> 00:05:29.519 We're supposed to cast our vote and then trust that 80 00:05:29.600 --> 00:05:32.959 we can be adult enough and mature enough to accept 81 00:05:32.959 --> 00:05:36.639 the results. Or are we going to just assume if 82 00:05:36.680 --> 00:05:40.040 our person loses, oh well, it must be cheating. You know, 83 00:05:40.319 --> 00:05:43.079 it must be fixed, It must be rigged. You know, 84 00:05:43.600 --> 00:05:47.279 what's the point of voting? And then you take matters 85 00:05:47.279 --> 00:05:50.160 into your own hands and you shoot up someone's campaign 86 00:05:50.199 --> 00:05:53.279 offices or you take a shot at the at the 87 00:05:53.319 --> 00:05:58.959 candidate him or herself. And now we're taking making threats 88 00:05:58.959 --> 00:06:02.839 at whether people because that's where we are in America, 89 00:06:03.920 --> 00:06:05.720 and I would hope that you're not okay with it. 90 00:06:07.319 --> 00:06:09.519 You know how they say it's okay to not be okay. 91 00:06:10.040 --> 00:06:12.720 Well, America needs to come to the realization that we 92 00:06:12.759 --> 00:06:13.560 are not okay. 93 00:06:14.040 --> 00:06:15.240 We are simply not okay. 94 00:06:15.360 --> 00:06:17.720 We're not in our right mind, we are not healthy, 95 00:06:17.879 --> 00:06:19.959 we're not in a good place. We're not able to 96 00:06:20.000 --> 00:06:23.439 deal with the simple stuff, and a really sophisticated, difficult, 97 00:06:23.680 --> 00:06:28.879 complicated stuff is coming on November fifth and then November sixth, seventh, eighth, 98 00:06:29.079 --> 00:06:35.600 Because contrary to what you've been told, almost never is 99 00:06:35.680 --> 00:06:41.079 the president decided election night. Now it is a projected 100 00:06:41.199 --> 00:06:47.000 winner the night of the election, but voting and tabulation 101 00:06:47.160 --> 00:06:47.879 in counting that. 102 00:06:47.879 --> 00:06:51.120 Has always gone on for days. 103 00:06:51.720 --> 00:06:53.879 I don't want to get into all the statistical math, 104 00:06:53.959 --> 00:06:58.480 but projections are not actually determining the winner. But if 105 00:06:58.519 --> 00:07:01.240 you know statistics, you can tell oh, okay, you know 106 00:07:01.279 --> 00:07:04.199 they are only four hundred and thirty five thousand registered voters. 107 00:07:04.279 --> 00:07:05.680 We know what returns have. 108 00:07:05.639 --> 00:07:08.000 Not come in from this county in that county, and 109 00:07:08.199 --> 00:07:11.959 historically they're Republican or they're historically they're democratic, and so 110 00:07:12.000 --> 00:07:15.160 therefore we project that so and so is the winner 111 00:07:15.240 --> 00:07:16.160 of this state. 112 00:07:18.040 --> 00:07:19.759 Maybe didn't know that's how it's done. 113 00:07:19.839 --> 00:07:23.160 Maybe you don't know that certain states are allowed to 114 00:07:23.279 --> 00:07:27.560 count in mail in ballots prior to election day and 115 00:07:27.839 --> 00:07:32.519 some have to wait until election day, and that's part 116 00:07:32.519 --> 00:07:34.199 of the reason why it takes the extra day or 117 00:07:34.240 --> 00:07:39.120 two or even three or four days. Do we really 118 00:07:39.160 --> 00:07:42.759 love America or do we really just hate the other side? 119 00:07:42.879 --> 00:07:44.279 It's not the same thing. 120 00:07:45.680 --> 00:07:50.319 You can't say I love America, but I hate the Republicans. 121 00:07:51.839 --> 00:07:54.920 No, that just means you love Democrats. 122 00:07:56.079 --> 00:07:59.560 I love America, but I can't stand the Democrats. 123 00:08:00.480 --> 00:08:02.920 Well, okay, that doesn't mean you love America. 124 00:08:02.959 --> 00:08:06.839 It just means that you just love Republicans and you're 125 00:08:06.839 --> 00:08:10.519 trying to use that as proxy. Wow, you really believe 126 00:08:10.519 --> 00:08:13.120 and really feel we are at a dangerous point in 127 00:08:13.160 --> 00:08:15.959 this country. And I cannot underscore that enough. 128 00:08:17.480 --> 00:08:20.720 Because the moment you think that the weather people are 129 00:08:20.759 --> 00:08:32.000 out to get you, the weather people, noah, people trying 130 00:08:32.039 --> 00:08:35.480 to protect you from hurricanes, They're in on the conspiracy. 131 00:08:36.240 --> 00:08:37.720 They're the ones trying. 132 00:08:37.480 --> 00:08:40.360 To kill you, along with the federal government with their 133 00:08:40.440 --> 00:08:41.279 weather machine. 134 00:08:42.919 --> 00:08:44.720 You know what. That's straight out of a movie. You 135 00:08:44.759 --> 00:08:45.879 talked about, the movie The Core. 136 00:08:46.440 --> 00:08:49.840 Okay, Well, In the movie The Core, the government had 137 00:08:49.879 --> 00:08:52.799 this earthquake machine, and because they were using an earthquake machine, 138 00:08:52.919 --> 00:08:54.799 it made the core of the earth stop spinning. 139 00:08:55.559 --> 00:08:58.320 That's where we are now. We're just making it all up. 140 00:08:59.120 --> 00:09:02.879 Anything we don't want, just blame the other side. The 141 00:09:02.960 --> 00:09:07.399 sun didn't come out today, it's the Democrat's fault. It 142 00:09:07.480 --> 00:09:12.720 rained too much today. Well, it's the Republican's fault. I 143 00:09:12.840 --> 00:09:17.000 trust the results of election. Why because my guy's in office. 144 00:09:17.399 --> 00:09:21.039 I don't trust the results of this election. Why because 145 00:09:21.200 --> 00:09:27.240 they're guys in office. I say this with great sincerity. 146 00:09:28.240 --> 00:09:33.919 I love America with all my heart, but this is 147 00:09:33.960 --> 00:09:36.039 the dumbest place on the face of the earth. 148 00:09:37.080 --> 00:09:38.960 Two things can be true. 149 00:09:39.080 --> 00:09:42.639 You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from 150 00:09:42.759 --> 00:09:44.879 KFI AM sixty. 151 00:09:44.720 --> 00:09:47.840 And cities all around the state. They're getting tougher when 152 00:09:47.879 --> 00:09:52.120 it comes to homelessness. They're getting tougher when it comes 153 00:09:52.159 --> 00:09:56.159 to homeless people. Two different things. There's homelessness, how they're 154 00:09:56.200 --> 00:10:01.200 dealing with the trash, the garbage, the tents all I 155 00:10:01.240 --> 00:10:04.720 will say, the makeshift cities. And there's getting tough on 156 00:10:04.960 --> 00:10:11.000 homeless the people. Anaheim is now banning homeless people from 157 00:10:11.080 --> 00:10:15.600 occupying sidewalks and bus benches. That's one of three laws 158 00:10:15.600 --> 00:10:18.919 which were approved by the Anaheim City Council at their 159 00:10:19.600 --> 00:10:24.440 meeting earlier this week. This is as it's being described 160 00:10:24.480 --> 00:10:29.080 as preventing the city's homeless population from blocking public spaces. 161 00:10:29.320 --> 00:10:30.240 There are two things to this. 162 00:10:31.000 --> 00:10:33.799 Whereas I think most people would agree with the idea 163 00:10:33.840 --> 00:10:37.360 that you just can't sleep any and everywhere, you just 164 00:10:37.480 --> 00:10:41.320 can't lay down and block public spaces. The question that 165 00:10:41.360 --> 00:10:44.120 I've always asked and I haven't really gotten a clear 166 00:10:44.159 --> 00:10:48.159 and concise answer. Maybe next time Orange County DA Todd 167 00:10:48.159 --> 00:10:50.440 Spitzer comes on the show, he can tell me this. 168 00:10:50.519 --> 00:10:53.399 If he's listening right now, what do you do with 169 00:10:53.440 --> 00:10:56.799 the homeless person? It's one thing to say you cannot 170 00:10:56.840 --> 00:11:00.320 sleep here, you cannot leave your belongings here in these 171 00:11:00.320 --> 00:11:05.080 public spaces. It is now illegal. Okay, what does that mean? 172 00:11:05.200 --> 00:11:09.080 You cite the person? Is it like a violation of 173 00:11:09.159 --> 00:11:12.559 an ordinance and civic ordinance? Are you going to arrest 174 00:11:12.600 --> 00:11:15.120 the person? If you arrest the person, let's see this 175 00:11:15.240 --> 00:11:18.080 through to its logical conclusion. If you arrest the person, 176 00:11:18.240 --> 00:11:21.279 how does that person get out of jail? Can that 177 00:11:21.320 --> 00:11:24.919 person post bail? Probably not. Why say it with me? Homeless? 178 00:11:26.320 --> 00:11:30.200 How do we actually get to the heart of the issue. 179 00:11:31.200 --> 00:11:33.159 As I said, the new law will make lying down 180 00:11:33.240 --> 00:11:36.639 or sleeping on bus or park benches, or blocking driveways 181 00:11:36.720 --> 00:11:42.759 or entrances to businesses where the public is invited illegal. Emotionally, 182 00:11:42.799 --> 00:11:45.960 I agree one hundred percent something like this needs to 183 00:11:46.000 --> 00:11:49.919 be done. I always question the administration how it's going 184 00:11:50.000 --> 00:11:53.399 to be done. Nobody wants to have to step over 185 00:11:53.480 --> 00:11:57.200 homeless people just trying to go to the store. Or 186 00:11:57.360 --> 00:11:59.399 if you have your own business and you happen to 187 00:11:59.440 --> 00:12:02.600 be on let's say a kattella in Anaheim, you should 188 00:12:02.679 --> 00:12:05.240 be able to do something about the homeless person who's 189 00:12:05.320 --> 00:12:08.360 sleeping in front of your business, in front of the 190 00:12:08.519 --> 00:12:10.840 very door that people need to come in. 191 00:12:10.759 --> 00:12:12.799 And come out. I agree. 192 00:12:13.320 --> 00:12:15.360 I'm just thinking like, all right, this sounds good, but 193 00:12:15.679 --> 00:12:18.600 how exactly does it work out? And this is I 194 00:12:18.639 --> 00:12:21.279 would say, an expansion of what was already in place 195 00:12:21.320 --> 00:12:25.879 Anaheim's current laws. They already prohibit camping. Put that in 196 00:12:25.919 --> 00:12:30.080 air quotes camping on public property. But these laws did 197 00:12:30.120 --> 00:12:34.559 not specifically bar people from blocking public right of ways 198 00:12:34.600 --> 00:12:40.399 and businesses. There was a gray area between camping and living. 199 00:12:40.840 --> 00:12:45.559 There was a gray area between camping and sittying, resting loitering, 200 00:12:46.279 --> 00:12:49.720 and this made it somewhat clearer, and I did not 201 00:12:49.919 --> 00:12:52.879 know this. The second law, which was passed by the 202 00:12:52.919 --> 00:12:58.919 city council, it will now not allow people to either 203 00:12:59.039 --> 00:13:03.240 disassemble or sell bicycles in public areas within the city. 204 00:13:03.919 --> 00:13:06.960 I did not know that there was a bike theft 205 00:13:07.120 --> 00:13:11.240 issue within the city of Anaheim. About two hundred and 206 00:13:11.279 --> 00:13:14.440 fifty bikes, as I read here, are reported stolen each 207 00:13:14.559 --> 00:13:18.840 year in Anaheim, so there is I would say, a 208 00:13:19.000 --> 00:13:24.000 thriving market for bicycles and bicycle parts, and this is 209 00:13:24.039 --> 00:13:27.320 to help address that or curb that. Obviously, if they're 210 00:13:27.360 --> 00:13:28.759 not going to do it in public, then they'll just 211 00:13:28.759 --> 00:13:31.559 go inside and do it. It doesn't change that, but 212 00:13:31.960 --> 00:13:36.639 it's interesting that they're resorting to this to help address that. 213 00:13:37.279 --> 00:13:40.519 And the third law will expand the city smoking and 214 00:13:40.639 --> 00:13:44.200 vaping ban to public parks and to within twenty five 215 00:13:44.240 --> 00:13:47.879 feet of bus benches or one hundred feet from a 216 00:13:48.000 --> 00:13:52.080 school or daycare. Don't feel much of either way about that, 217 00:13:52.120 --> 00:13:55.919 because I've always been anti smoking, anti vaping, but the 218 00:13:56.000 --> 00:14:00.000 ban on people sleeping on sidewalks or leaving their belongings 219 00:13:59.879 --> 00:14:04.639 in public spaces. That's significant and I am really curious 220 00:14:04.639 --> 00:14:09.039 to see how it all works. Is it something that 221 00:14:09.279 --> 00:14:11.080 if someone's in front of your business, do you pick 222 00:14:11.159 --> 00:14:12.480 up the phone and call the police? 223 00:14:12.679 --> 00:14:15.159 And also do the police actually respond? 224 00:14:15.399 --> 00:14:18.240 Because I know where I am, I could call them 225 00:14:18.240 --> 00:14:20.960 for just about anything, and it takes a lot to 226 00:14:21.080 --> 00:14:24.960 get law enforcement to respond where I am in the city. 227 00:14:25.279 --> 00:14:27.960 Usually I have to call someone I know who works 228 00:14:28.000 --> 00:14:31.559 in law enforcement, because if you live where I live. 229 00:14:33.240 --> 00:14:34.919 They're not coming out for the most part. 230 00:14:35.320 --> 00:14:41.279 They're just not, especially for property crime related issues, definitely 231 00:14:41.360 --> 00:14:45.320 not for homeless related issues. So I would love to 232 00:14:45.320 --> 00:14:47.919 see how this is going to actually work. 233 00:14:48.360 --> 00:14:49.840 Take us through it. 234 00:14:50.519 --> 00:14:53.039 Does a person who owns a business, do they call 235 00:14:53.120 --> 00:14:55.639 the police and the police roll up and they see 236 00:14:55.679 --> 00:14:58.200 someone on the sidewalk? Do they arrest them? Do they 237 00:14:58.279 --> 00:15:01.159 just move that person along? And if they do arrest them, 238 00:15:01.320 --> 00:15:03.200 then what do you do? I mean, how can you 239 00:15:03.320 --> 00:15:06.440 verify identity? They may not be in the system. How 240 00:15:06.480 --> 00:15:09.399 long can you hold them? Habeas corpus? Okay, so what 241 00:15:09.519 --> 00:15:13.000 happens if they stay for more than three days in jail? 242 00:15:13.039 --> 00:15:14.200 You got to kick them loose. 243 00:15:14.360 --> 00:15:16.279 Then where do they go again, if they go right 244 00:15:16.320 --> 00:15:19.679 back to where they were living air quotes prior to 245 00:15:19.720 --> 00:15:23.279 being arrested. If it goes down that same path, then 246 00:15:23.320 --> 00:15:26.360 what do you arrest them again and start the clock 247 00:15:26.399 --> 00:15:28.799 all the way over. I think these are the things 248 00:15:29.159 --> 00:15:32.320 where the laws make sense on paper. I absolutely agree 249 00:15:32.360 --> 00:15:36.080 it makes sense. You can't have people sleeping on the sidewalk. 250 00:15:36.600 --> 00:15:39.799 You can't have people creating a house in front of 251 00:15:40.120 --> 00:15:41.759 other people's businesses. 252 00:15:42.480 --> 00:15:43.440 You can't have that. 253 00:15:44.159 --> 00:15:48.759 I'm with you, we agree, But how does this work 254 00:15:49.399 --> 00:15:50.120 long term? 255 00:15:50.200 --> 00:15:53.240 What is the real application of it? 256 00:15:53.799 --> 00:15:57.200 How do you make sure that the rights of the 257 00:15:57.360 --> 00:16:00.879 homeless person aren't also violated? 258 00:16:01.080 --> 00:16:02.600 Or do you simply not care? 259 00:16:04.080 --> 00:16:07.240 And I suspect this the latter, because you just don't 260 00:16:07.240 --> 00:16:09.799 want to see homelessness. If you can get it out 261 00:16:09.840 --> 00:16:11.720 in front of get it away from your business, if 262 00:16:11.720 --> 00:16:13.960 you can get it away from your street corner, if 263 00:16:14.000 --> 00:16:15.720 you can get it out of sight, then it's out 264 00:16:15.720 --> 00:16:18.000 of mind, then you're okay with it. But I try 265 00:16:18.039 --> 00:16:21.360 to think about this big picture. I try to think 266 00:16:21.399 --> 00:16:24.879 about your rights as a business owner. I think about 267 00:16:24.960 --> 00:16:28.919 your rights as a private citizen, and I think about 268 00:16:28.919 --> 00:16:30.159 the rights of the homeless person. 269 00:16:31.440 --> 00:16:36.240 Because if anything. They are the most vulnerable in this equation. 270 00:16:37.360 --> 00:16:45.440 They have literally nothing. They literally have nobody defending them 271 00:16:46.200 --> 00:16:49.399 or protecting them, not out of this, not out on 272 00:16:49.480 --> 00:16:53.720 the street, and not within the system. And I don't 273 00:16:53.759 --> 00:16:56.679 know if there's a good answer to any of this. 274 00:16:57.879 --> 00:17:01.320 I do know that they're there are some problems that 275 00:17:01.440 --> 00:17:04.880 haven't been worked out, and I would be interested to 276 00:17:04.960 --> 00:17:08.640 see if they will be able to be addressed in 277 00:17:08.680 --> 00:17:14.960 a constitutional manner, because once you start criminalizing homelessness and 278 00:17:15.000 --> 00:17:19.359 you start locking up homeless people, you may have traded 279 00:17:19.400 --> 00:17:23.839 one issue for another. It's later with mo Keli k If. 280 00:17:23.880 --> 00:17:26.759 I am six forty Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. 281 00:17:27.160 --> 00:17:32.960 Oh, Mark got another good story for you. There's a 282 00:17:33.000 --> 00:17:37.960 California based lighting and furniture store, Lamps Plus. They're gonna 283 00:17:37.960 --> 00:17:42.079 have to pay four point one million for deceptive pricing. 284 00:17:42.920 --> 00:17:48.200 Imagine that another another company misleading the public. Sounds like 285 00:17:48.200 --> 00:17:53.160 science fiction. You're making this up. It sounds like science capitalism. 286 00:17:53.559 --> 00:18:07.480 That's right, We're live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. Sometimes 287 00:18:07.519 --> 00:18:13.559 I think we're misplacing our distrust if they are folks 288 00:18:13.559 --> 00:18:17.720 that we should not trust, if they're folks that really 289 00:18:17.839 --> 00:18:21.599 don't have our best interests at heart, and also have 290 00:18:22.079 --> 00:18:26.440 some degree of influence over our lives. I would say 291 00:18:26.480 --> 00:18:30.640 it's capitalism, it's businesses. And I'm not demonizing businesses. I'm 292 00:18:30.680 --> 00:18:34.119 saying they have more influence on your day to day 293 00:18:34.160 --> 00:18:39.200 lives than your government, if only because you're interacting with 294 00:18:39.279 --> 00:18:42.480 them businesses on a daily basis. You're going to the 295 00:18:42.480 --> 00:18:45.599 grocery store, you may go to the hardware store, or 296 00:18:45.880 --> 00:18:48.599 you may go buy a car, or you. 297 00:18:48.599 --> 00:18:51.000 May buy some gifts at the mall. 298 00:18:51.559 --> 00:18:55.119 You are interacting in a capitalistic sense just about every 299 00:18:55.160 --> 00:18:59.079 single day, probably not doing too much with your local 300 00:18:59.240 --> 00:19:03.759 or federal government. So, if anything, if you have businesses, 301 00:19:03.799 --> 00:19:06.359 and there are some, and I'm not broad brushing, but 302 00:19:06.400 --> 00:19:08.759 if you have businesses or who are going to take 303 00:19:08.839 --> 00:19:13.160 advantage of that relationship. And we talked about Kroger, and 304 00:19:13.200 --> 00:19:18.559 we talked about Albertson's taking advantage of that relationship because 305 00:19:18.839 --> 00:19:24.119 you need to buy groceries. What happens? Then let me 306 00:19:24.160 --> 00:19:27.799 talk now about Lamps Plus. Lamps Plus is going to 307 00:19:27.880 --> 00:19:30.680 have to pay more than four million dollars to settle 308 00:19:30.839 --> 00:19:31.759 a civil lawsuit. 309 00:19:31.839 --> 00:19:32.799 And it's just the first one. 310 00:19:32.880 --> 00:19:37.119 It may be more if other people come forward in filesuit. 311 00:19:37.880 --> 00:19:42.160 But in this civil lawsuit, they were accused of deceptive 312 00:19:42.200 --> 00:19:49.720 price and false advertising. Allegedly, lamps Plus advertised fault sales, 313 00:19:50.200 --> 00:19:57.039 false discounts, misleading price match guarantees, and deceptive comparisons of 314 00:19:57.079 --> 00:20:00.279 its prices to competitors. 315 00:20:02.160 --> 00:20:04.119 Sound familiar, it should. 316 00:20:04.440 --> 00:20:07.000 The settlement, which was agreed to back on September twentieth, 317 00:20:07.279 --> 00:20:10.000 requires the company to pay almost four million in civil 318 00:20:10.039 --> 00:20:16.400 penalties and another three hundred thousand four investigative investigative costs. 319 00:20:17.519 --> 00:20:20.880 Labs Plus is also prohibited from engaging in future misleading 320 00:20:21.000 --> 00:20:26.000 or false advertising, including advertising a misleading price match guarantee 321 00:20:26.319 --> 00:20:30.920 or offering a one hundred and twenty percent price protection policy. 322 00:20:32.720 --> 00:20:36.599 And as I hate to admit once again Mark Ronner 323 00:20:36.680 --> 00:20:40.640 being right, I think it's only fair that I acknowledge 324 00:20:41.839 --> 00:20:47.160 that the preponderance of evidence once again lands on your 325 00:20:47.279 --> 00:20:53.559 side of the argument when it comes to greed of 326 00:20:53.599 --> 00:20:54.400 corporate America. 327 00:20:54.440 --> 00:20:56.200 Are you sure you don't want to just take the 328 00:20:56.240 --> 00:20:59.119 devil's advocate side and argue in favor of cheating people 329 00:20:59.240 --> 00:21:00.759 just for fun, just for fun. 330 00:21:00.880 --> 00:21:03.240 Look, I could play the other side of the argument. 331 00:21:03.279 --> 00:21:06.079 I just can't find the other side of the argument 332 00:21:06.119 --> 00:21:11.039 to play. I see, I can't say Devil's advocate, Well, 333 00:21:11.160 --> 00:21:13.759 what about this or what about that? No, this is 334 00:21:14.079 --> 00:21:19.720 another example of a corporation taking advantage of consumers, and 335 00:21:19.720 --> 00:21:24.200 it's being done, I will say, under the cover of inflation, 336 00:21:24.400 --> 00:21:28.680 when you're offering false discounts because you know people are 337 00:21:28.759 --> 00:21:31.559 more desperate for lower prices. 338 00:21:31.799 --> 00:21:34.359 On I gotta do this for you, caveat emptor you 339 00:21:34.480 --> 00:21:36.960 got the free the invisible hand of the free market 340 00:21:38.160 --> 00:21:40.000 that just winds up spank and everybody. 341 00:21:40.359 --> 00:21:43.160 Yeah, I can't do it either. You're right, it's not supply, 342 00:21:43.599 --> 00:21:47.799 it's not demand. It's knowing that because people are more 343 00:21:47.960 --> 00:21:52.720 sensitive to the idea of discounts to the ideas of sales. 344 00:21:52.759 --> 00:21:54.640 I mean, this is not new. I would just call 345 00:21:54.680 --> 00:21:57.000 this old bait and switch. You know they're promising one thing, 346 00:21:57.200 --> 00:21:59.680 they'll offer you another thing. Or what they're promising you 347 00:21:59.839 --> 00:22:01.720 was never there in the first place. 348 00:22:02.440 --> 00:22:07.880 Now do fast food? Well, now do McDonald's. Which way? 349 00:22:07.960 --> 00:22:11.200 I mean, we could talk about how they've raised their 350 00:22:11.240 --> 00:22:15.240 prices having little or nothing to do with the actual 351 00:22:15.480 --> 00:22:17.359 raise of minimum wage. 352 00:22:17.480 --> 00:22:21.240 That's it, grasshopper, It's all related. It's all the same thing. 353 00:22:22.960 --> 00:22:29.240 So what if we learn class. Woah wah wah, greed 354 00:22:29.319 --> 00:22:29.680 is good. 355 00:22:30.039 --> 00:22:31.759 Where's Gordon Geko when you need him? 356 00:22:32.079 --> 00:22:34.480 Yeah, you know that didn't hold up so well. Except 357 00:22:34.480 --> 00:22:38.200 for a small hand full of nasty people. The rest 358 00:22:38.200 --> 00:22:41.440 of us, when it comes to the greed is good aphorism, 359 00:22:41.640 --> 00:22:42.839 we get screwed. 360 00:22:43.359 --> 00:22:45.400 The thing is, we would we would like to think 361 00:22:45.440 --> 00:22:50.079 of ourselves as the ultra successful. We want to buy 362 00:22:50.160 --> 00:22:54.200 into the idea that if we buy into greed, we 363 00:22:54.279 --> 00:22:57.799 will also have a disproportionate amount of success. 364 00:22:57.799 --> 00:22:58.880 This is what I think it is. 365 00:22:59.240 --> 00:23:03.200 We want to identify with super wealthy people, but more 366 00:23:03.200 --> 00:23:06.680 times than not, we're not going to be that person. 367 00:23:07.079 --> 00:23:11.880 And so we're left complaining about the rent, We're left 368 00:23:11.920 --> 00:23:19.200 complaining about eggs, left complaining about milk gas and all 369 00:23:19.359 --> 00:23:22.680 at the same time, forget that, Oh, we were siding 370 00:23:23.519 --> 00:23:26.640 with the folks who are giving it to us. 371 00:23:26.799 --> 00:23:26.880 Right. 372 00:23:27.079 --> 00:23:30.559 Meanwhile, landlords have been found colluding to jack up prices. Yep, 373 00:23:30.599 --> 00:23:34.559 we know that egg distributors manufacturers. Brother the chickens are 374 00:23:34.559 --> 00:23:39.440 actually the manufacturers eggs, but the egg distributors they've been 375 00:23:39.480 --> 00:23:42.440 found guilty of jacking up prices. Everybody on the list 376 00:23:42.440 --> 00:23:45.359 you just ran through has been found guilty of price 377 00:23:45.440 --> 00:23:46.400 gouging everybody. 378 00:23:46.640 --> 00:23:50.000 That's why I mentioned them specifically. What a coincidence? 379 00:23:50.039 --> 00:23:56.039 Yes, yes, look, I just try to point I just 380 00:23:56.079 --> 00:23:58.640 try to say, look, some of these things are not 381 00:23:58.839 --> 00:24:01.559 what they seem to be. And I know it's easy 382 00:24:01.880 --> 00:24:05.240 to blame everything on inflation. I know it's easy to 383 00:24:05.319 --> 00:24:09.279 say that it's just not true because there is still 384 00:24:09.319 --> 00:24:14.440 a decision making process that businesses are making here. They 385 00:24:14.480 --> 00:24:18.640 are not raising prices relative to the cost of living 386 00:24:18.640 --> 00:24:23.640 increase or the rate of inflation. No, there record profits 387 00:24:24.960 --> 00:24:26.279 in this time of inflation. 388 00:24:26.519 --> 00:24:27.160 Well, we have to. 389 00:24:27.519 --> 00:24:29.880 One of my main goals in life is to get 390 00:24:29.880 --> 00:24:32.480 people to shake off the cookie cutter that we've been 391 00:24:32.559 --> 00:24:36.279 saddled with through disinformation and assorted media, which is not 392 00:24:36.319 --> 00:24:38.880 everything has to be filtered through your politics. I mean, 393 00:24:39.079 --> 00:24:42.240 if the groceries cost more than you think they should be, 394 00:24:42.640 --> 00:24:46.279 it's not the Republicans or Democrats fault necessarily, look at 395 00:24:46.279 --> 00:24:49.480 the people who profit qui bono, it's what lawyerspono who 396 00:24:49.559 --> 00:24:50.519 profits from this. 397 00:24:51.200 --> 00:24:54.440 I think your first point was the most salient point. 398 00:24:55.160 --> 00:24:59.880 Stop trying to filter everything through your politics. When you do, 399 00:25:00.359 --> 00:25:02.200 you always come up with the same answer. If you 400 00:25:02.240 --> 00:25:06.279 filter it through your politics, and everything must be the 401 00:25:06.359 --> 00:25:10.440