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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Great Detectives of Old Time Radio from Boise, Idaho.

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This is your host, Adam Graham. In a moment, we're

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going to bring you this week's episode of Yours Truly,

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Johnny Doller. But I do want to remind you that

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dot net. Now from August third, nineteen fifty eight, here

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is the Lucky Forematter.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, great, great Johnny. Do you remember the Lucky

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four wrench?

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Speaker 3: Well, look, you're talking about the one out in Green

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Mountain Falls, Colorado. That's the one I'm talking about. Well, sure,

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that's where you and I and Ray Ray what's his name,

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Ray Smithchney? Yeah, Ray Smishnee who owns the Lucky four?

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You and he and I investigated the death of that

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concert pianist. That's right. Also, we had some real fine

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trout fishing up an eleven mile canyon.

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Speaker 2: Do you remember the little private lake up in the

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mountain back of Ray's range Cherry Lake. Yes, old Bill

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Cherry's Lake, only it isn't there anymore.

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Speaker 3: Oh, that's too bad.

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Speaker 2: Old Bill isn't around anymore either.

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Speaker 3: What's happened to him?

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Speaker 2: According to all the information, he was killed when the

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dam broke and Senty's firm house crashing down into the valley.

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Oh gee, that's too bad. I have the claim for

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his insurance right here on my desk. I'll send a

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copy of the policy to you there at the Lucky Poor.

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Speaker 3: Hey, wait a minute, there's something wrong, Earle. That's what

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I want you to find out. What makes you think

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something's wrong.

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Speaker 2: The phone call had just got from. He said he's

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found a couple of things that make him think the

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breaching of that damn.

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Speaker 3: Was no accident. Okay, eerl, I'll grab the first plane

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I can.

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Speaker 4: Bob Bailey and the Exciting Adventures of the Man with

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the Action Packed Expense Account America's Fabulous Freelance Insurance Investigatory.

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Speaker 3: Truly Johnny Dollar Expense Accounts of Advice shall investigate a

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Johnny Dollar the Tri State Life and Casually Insurance Company,

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Attention Airport. The following as an account of expenses incurred

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during my investigation of the Lucky for Matter expense account.

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I am one three dollars in a quarter phone called

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a Ray Schmithsney to tell him I was on my way.

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I am two eighty one seventy air transportation to Colorado Springs.

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Ray met me at Peterson Field, the municipal airport. Well,

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glad you could make it, Johnny. Yeah, it's good to

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see you again. Ray. How are things of the Lucky

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for Oh? Just fine, our best season ever.

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Speaker 2: Here.

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Speaker 3: We'll shove your bags in the backseat. Okay, good, go ahead,

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now hop in sure? All right? Now, what's this about

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your thinking? Old Bill Cherry's death was no accident, Johnny,

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I'd better give you the whole story. You remember Cherry Lake,

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don't you sure? I remember? We were taking a couple

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of nice trout out of it on a silver doctor

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or was it a royal Coast. Well, you didn't meet

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old Bill because he was away at the time. Actually,

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we were kind of poaching when we fished up there. Oh,

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if he'd suddenly come back and caught us, he'd probably

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have filled our heights with bird shot. And here I

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always thought you were on the side of law and order.

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He was a kind of ornery old cuss. But in

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spite of it, we got along pretty well even after

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he put in that dam. How the dam affect you?

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Three mile Creek used to water some of my property

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before he put it in. Some of the others down

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below too. No, I see, But now what happened, Johnny.

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Old Bill's little plot of farmland is up around the

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nine thousand foot level, you know, Yeah, I know, so

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the snowpack melts down pretty late. That meant a big

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summer flow of water into his lake. Yeah, and what

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about when some of your big summer rains come pouring though.

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It was during one of the big rains a couple

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of weeks ago, one night, it was that the dam

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gave way, Johnny. That thing busted loose like an explosion.

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What was left Old Bill's house came tumbling down on

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the lucky for property and Old Bill, Oh, he found

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his body in the wreckage. Oh, hold on, I'm going

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to take my favorite shortcut and get away from the

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highway traffic. Sure, but now, Earl Poorman told me, you

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seem to think that damn didn't give way by itself.

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Well I did in the beginning, everybody did, And why

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not homemade damn more water in the lake than ever before,

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more water pouring down out of the sky to fill

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it up. Big storm. Maybe it was even hit by lightning.

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But now, Johnny, I went up there and poked around

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a couple of days ago, first chance I've had since

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the rains quit. I wanted you find a couple of things.

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I want you to look at what kind of things

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right now? They may not mean a thing, Johnny, any

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more than who's the beneficiary of old bills? In shirt?

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Which reminds me? Did Earl send me something in the mail?

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Oh yeah, a big envelope, Johnny, And I opened it

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by mistake, I was supposed to contain a copy of

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Bill Cherry's policy. It did. And when I looked at

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it and saw who the benefit is, Hey, it sounds

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to me like you need a tune up. Brother. That's funny.

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Let's stop and take a look. Huh yeah, why not?

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Uh you say that when you saw who the benefishery is?

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A worthless nephew of bills who hangs around the pool

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rooms in Colorado Springs. He's been in a couple of

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scrapes with the law. Oh yeah, let me see if

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I get open this word.

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Speaker 5: There.

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Speaker 3: Maybe the catch is stuck on it, you know. Anyhow,

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I've always felt a Tommy Walker wouldn't stop short of

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murder if he thought of that. They are oh good

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and holy pray. Hey, look at all those crazy wires.

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No wonder she was missing. You didn't put that wiring

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in there? Are you kidding?

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Speaker 5: Ray?

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Speaker 3: Come on, hit the deck. Huh, Come on the side

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of the road, back of this rock. What's the matter?

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I get down fast? What's got into you? Johnny?

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Speaker 5: You look.

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Speaker 3: Ny only smoke? Yeah, you look.

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Speaker 6: Well.

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Speaker 3: It was some kind of a bomb wired up in

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there by somebody who meant business, by somebody who must

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have seen you poking around up near Old Bills. Damn,

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you mean, must have found out you'd sent for me.

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What'd you say? The name of Old Bill's nephew is.

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Speaker 4: Act two of yours, truly, Johnny Dollar.

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Speaker 5: In a moment, many of us on the job are

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clock watchers and time clock punchers, just waiting for time

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to quit. When is it really time to quit? The

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man with a set day of work as a schedule

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to adhere to. But the fighting man quits only when

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the job is done, and to him capture by the

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enemy does not mean the end, but perhaps only the

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beginning of the most important part of his job. One

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of the points of the Code of Conduct for the

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American Fighting Man says quote, if I am captured, I

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will continue to resist by all means available. I will

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make every effort to escape and aid others to escape.

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I will accept neither parole nor special favors from the enemy.

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The strong ideals set forth there are the same ideals

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that gave great determination to one young officer of the

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United States Navy. Half an hour after Lieutenant Edward VM.

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Eazak's ship was sunk by three torpedoes in the Atlantic

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Ocean in May nineteen eighteen, at the height of World

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War One, he was taken prisoner by the commander of

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the German submarine U ninety. During the U boat's trip

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back to Germany, Lieutenant Eazac learned a great deal of

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vital secret information about U boat movements. Determined to make

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this information available to the United States and Allied naval

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authoritiesenant At, Eazac, while on his way to a prisoner

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of war camp, risked his life by jumping through the

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window of a rapidly moving train. Severely injured by his fall,

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he was again captured months later. Aided by several American

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Army officers who short circuited the prison lighting system, Lieutenant

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Eazac escaped through barbed wire fences and amid heavy rifle

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fire from the guards. After seven days and nights of

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rugged travel over the mountains and with only raw vegetables

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for food, he swam the swift current of the Rhine

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River right under the noses of the enemy sentries. Evading

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many enemy soldiers. He reached the American legation in Berne, Switzerland,

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and completed his self assigned mission. For risking his life

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many times above and beyond the call of duty, Lieutenant

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Edward Eazac was awarded the Medal of Honor. His personal

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code of conduct had made him realize that war doesn't

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end with confinement as a prisoner of war. That is

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when the real responsibility may begin.

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Speaker 4: Now BacT two of yours, truly, Johnny Dollar and the

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Lucky four matter.

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Speaker 3: It was the driver of a big interstate moving van

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that came to our rescue. You have to raise car

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blew up. You'd seen the explosion from the highway, seen

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one of the fenders flying through the air. Yeah, somehow

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those big truckers are always around to give you a hand.

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He drove us into Colorado Springs. I had then three

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fifty bucks deposit on a rental car, and we headed

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east on Highway twenty four. At Green Mountain Falls, the

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Lucky four is on a level spot on the side

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of a mountain about half a mile up in the highway.

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Six or eight nice modern cottage share a beautiful view

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of Pikes and several other high peaks that surround colorful

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youth pass. I dumped my luggage, set a load of

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Ray's pretty wife Glee, and we headed up a narrow

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wagon trail up the side of the mountain and raised jeep. Here, Johnny,

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that truck I ever gave me this souvenir, Hey looks

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like a piece of the wiring we found under the

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hood before your car blow. That's what it is.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 3: Look see there where three mile Creek bounces down over

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the rocks. That's quite a flow there, Ray, and I

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see that it goes on down through your property again,

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just like it did before Old Bill put on his dam.

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Of course, I don't really need the water, not as

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much as Ralph Kimball. At least host Kimball a property

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next to mine. Retired man used to be a math

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or physics sprout or something. Nice neighbor. It keeps to himself.

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He and his wife hornery, old cuss like Old Bill.

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They had no use for each other. Didn't like interference.

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Now you see that clearing up ahead, Yeah, that's where

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Old Bill's home used to be. Huh yeah, before the

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water dumped it down on my place, Kindling, that's about

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all that was left of it. You still haven't told

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me what you've found of here. One thing I found

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down below on his body, gripped tight in his hand,

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sort of a death grip. I guess it was. Yeah,

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the cigarette package El Pero cigarettes that's a Cuban brand.

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Is not what he smoked, No, sir, he never smoked

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in his life. Wouldn't even have the things on his place,

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So you see what I mean. Well, I don't think

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that's much of a clue. Well, what I figured, Johnny,

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that is after what else I found, is that he

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caught somebody prowling around his dam. Maybe he struggled with him,

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and that's how come the cigarette package. Oh all right,

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back off. Whatever else you found up here, it better

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be more conclusive than that. All right, Look here, here's

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where the dam was between these big rocks. What kind

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of a damn concrete with planks across? Oh yeah, I

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can see where cementa is still stuck to them. M

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here's some dynamite too. You can see the mark where

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he drilled the pack in the stuff. That's my clue

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number one, Johnny. He didn't use any dynamite. He was

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afraid of it. Also, I hadn't known. I'd have heard

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it go off while he was building his dam. But somebody, yeah, somebody,

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or look at this plastered on this rock, A piece

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of label blastered on the rock by the force of

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that explosion, says Titan super ix El dynamite. Johnny. He

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wouldn't even have the stuff around another thing. It's a

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brand you can only get in one little store in Denver,

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and he'd never go there. He hated the place. You said,

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the damn one like an explosion, Yes, sir, of course,

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with all the thunder and lightning that night, who could

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be sure which was which will? Chances are lightning wouldn't

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reach down here, right with all the high peaks around.

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That's what first hit me, Johnny, Come on, let's go

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into Colorado Springs and find this nephew of old bills,

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Tommy Walker. Yes, sir, Johnny being the beneficiary and all.

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Who else could it be? Ray, I'm with you. Doesn't

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look to me like there'd be any cheap pool halls

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in this part of town. No, but up aheads the

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Ace High Radio shop. That's where Tommy was working last

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I heard. Oh, can you think of anything better to

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tie in with a way that infernal machine was wired

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under the hood of your car? Holy smoke, Johnny, you're right,

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But well, what I don't understand is how come I

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didn't go off the second I turned on the ignition?

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May I'm kind of timing device. I think whoever said

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it wanted to get me too, Yes, sir, Gentleen, that

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means he knew you'd be in the car with me

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on the way back from the airp That's right, gentlemen. Oh,

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we're looking for Tommy Walker.

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Speaker 5: Oh don't mention. Not no good, then, I take it

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he isn't here. Oh two days he lasted. If you

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ask me, it was two days too long. You had

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trouble with him as Oh, no, no, no trouble, no nothing.

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That was the trouble, answered my ad in the paper,

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sit he knew all about radios and electronics, he could

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fix anything. Well, dumb lazy lot. He didn't know anything.

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He didn't do anything. He didn't know the difference between

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a fuse and a vacuum tube, never even heard of

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a transistor, much less know what a circuit was.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: All he knew about a radio was how to turn

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the knobs.

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Speaker 3: Oh, and the music that guy would too on me.

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I liked that. Yeah, And that boy was so dummy,

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couldn't even attach the wires to a plug. Property.

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Speaker 5: All he wanted was a place where he could sit around,

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smoking those smelly Cuban cigarettes and listening to trashy music.

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Speaker 3: Cuban cigarettes, Johnny that pack I found, mister, Uh, as

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long as I'm here, I wonder if you could sell

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me a hank wire like like this? Certainly soon? Oh this,

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and I have nothing like that? I see. And you're

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sure Tommy didn't know anything about electricity, of course, I'm sure.

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Speaker 5: Look at when I told him once to open up

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the back of a telephone.

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Speaker 3: That darn Pooley would have electrocuted himself if I hadn't

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been there to gentleman Johnny if he's telling the truth

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is Ray, come on, we're going back to the ranch. Why, Johnny.

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It's worked before, and I hope and pray it'll work again. Ray,

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I'm gonna play a hunch.

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Speaker 4: Act three of yours, truly, Johnny Dollar in a moment,

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and now.

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Speaker 6: For another episode in the life of Sergeant Donald Bellweather.

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My husband, Donald is your pory, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: Can you see all right? Oh? Yeah, I can see

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whinshield whippers are operating with mechanical perfection. You notice there

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are no more streaks either, since I put on the

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new rubber blade.

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Speaker 6: You know, I think every drivers should have his windshield

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wipers in good order.

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Speaker 3: It's much safer.

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Speaker 6: It would be much safer if everyone would slow down

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during wet weather like my husband is doing right now.

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Speaker 3: Just being cautious. Riba. We don't want an accident, and

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it's down for I don't want an accident anytime. Yeah,

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that's for sure.

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Speaker 6: Well, the experts say that accidents just don't happen. Something

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causes accidents, and that cause can be prevented by the

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way there in what kind of weather do you think

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most accidents occur?

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Speaker 3: Ooh, I'm saying rain or snowy weather and slippery weather

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when visibility isn't fair. That's the wrong answer, dear, wrong,

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Well are you serious?

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Speaker 6: Statistics show that eight out of ten accidents occur when

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the weather is clear or with a cloudy overcast.

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Speaker 3: Are you prosided? I wonder why? Oh? Here's our house there?

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Oh yeah, now you sit right here, Reba. I'll get

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out with the umbrella, and then I'll come around and

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i'll when you're all right, honey. I wonder why, I

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wonder why? What? Why? Eight out of ten accidents happen

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in clear weather? Oh well, I.

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Speaker 6: Don't know for sure, sergeant, but I do know that

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you drove very carefully night in the rain. Think now,

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if everyone drove us carefully during clear, dry weather, there'd

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be less accidents.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure, man, that must be it. People automatically get

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cautious in the rain and snow. Too bad. They don't

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stay that way in good weather. You will, won't you?

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Speaker 6: I mean, drive safely in good weather too.

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Speaker 3: I promise.

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Speaker 7: Oh that's mine, Donald, that's my doll, and now at

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three of yours?

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Speaker 4: Truly, Johnny Dollar and the Lucky four matter?

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Speaker 3: If I get the Lucky four rays Glee made us

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a couple of sandwiches and some coffee. We'd kind of

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forgotten about lunch. But I looked over the insurance policy

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that Earl Pullman had sent on to me. Yeah, Tommy

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Walker was the only beneficiary. But and this was the

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important part. He was due to receive the mugnificent sum

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of one thousand dollars. And that's all, that's all.

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Speaker 8: I mean, he'd kill his uncle for one thousand dollars.

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Speaker 3: I don't think so, Glee. And yet if Tommy is

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the only one to benefit, Oh listen, Ray, you told

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me right off the bat you hadn't liked the idea

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of old Bill putting that damn.

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Speaker 8: Out there, Johnny, that is, none of us liked it.

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Speaker 3: What do you mean by us, Well, none of us,

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the Kimboos.

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Speaker 8: And us only because it kept the creek from coming

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down here. He made a diversion when he put in

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that damn.

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Speaker 3: And after I put in the pumps, we've had plenty

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of water, and i'd had to put in the pumps anyway. Ah,

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You ever used dynamite around here, Ray, Most everybody does

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one time or another, and in this whole section use

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it to clear the land. Johnny. That listened, Johnny, I

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don't know what you're driving at most everybody does.

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Speaker 9: Huh.

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Speaker 3: Yes, have you ever used that particular brand Titan Super

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I XO No, sir, never in my life. But you

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knew where to get it?

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Speaker 8: Everybody does, Johnny, Johnny please?

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Speaker 3: Everybody? Yes, including Ralph Kimball next door. Mister mister kim Yeah,

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maybe I'd better go over and talk to him.

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Speaker 2: Huh.

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Speaker 8: They're not at home. Went to Denver this morning early.

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But Johnny, how do you know she told me they

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were going. She dropped in last night and she told me,

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and I said, Ray was going to to meet Johnny.

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Speaker 3: Johnny looked. She dropped in here very often.

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Speaker 8: Only since the dam broke, And well they weren't too

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friendly before, but now it.

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Speaker 3: Was z EX professor. Huh, electronics, Lord, Johnny, I'm going

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over and take a look around. Dear, I'll go with you. Johnny.

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Ray had minimized the problem he'd had when the dam

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was put in. Maybe his next door neighbor happened. Kimble

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had kept to himself. Ray said it was very much

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like old Bill Cherry, an nary sort of cuss who

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didn't like interference. And old Bill's dam had certainly interfered

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with Kimball's water supply. We started our search in the

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workshop back at Kimball's house. Here it is, Johnny, take

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a look, Titan super high Excel. Look here, Ray, this

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rock drill the same size as the one used up

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on the dam. Sure is, Johnny, Man? If we can

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climb some of it? Yeah, you know?

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Speaker 2: This is it?

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Speaker 3: All right? Same kind of wire that was on the

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bomb under the hood of my car. Pretty good evidence

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if you ask me. And here el Peril, the same

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brand as a cigarette package you found clutched in Old

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Bill's hand. But listen, Johnny, this is only what you'd

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call circumstantial evidence. But if there's enough of it, listen,

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you know, maybe you wanted to play it. Maybe you

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were pretty sore about that, Dan, Well, of course I want.

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So was Kimball. He threatened to sue Johnny, He threatened

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a lot of things. But that doesn't all right, all right,

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call that the motive. Now, this evidence, this rock drill.

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But a lot of people use him, maybe even the

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same side. This wire, the same kind used to hook

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up that bomb. But most anybody could get wire like that.

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I think the point is he has it and the

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right brand of dynamite. Anybody who knows that store up

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in danis for hooking up that infernal machine. Kimball was

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a physics professor electronics. Yeah, that's true. Did he know

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about your private shortcut to Denver? Yes, yes, Johnny, I

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told him one time. He also knew when you and

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I would be on that road. We had his wife.

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She probably told her why I was coming here. Yes,

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that's true. Kimball and his wife left for Denver early

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this morning. And look, Johnny, the mud on these boots

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here in the corner, the same gray silk you find

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only up around Cherry Lake. And if that doesn't prove it,

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but Johnny, it's all circumstantial. But it'll hold up in court.

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What seven points of similarity? Ray, It'll stand up in

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any court in the land. But even if, because what

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the law calls seven points of similarity, as any mathematician

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can tell you, will occur only once in thirty eight

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billion times, that's true. That's true, and that's what's gonna

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hang mister Kimball, that mister dollar is not true. Kimball,

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I surely you're not going to be foolish enough to

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use that thing, Kimball, You've left me no alternative now

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that you've found out. Now, now look, mister Kimball, all right,

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Ssney Dollar, if you want to do any praying, do

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it fast. But yes, Bildard, why raised White shut Douney. Well,

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she's too late. Oh no, she is. That was too close, Johnny, Yeah,

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shall we join the ladies. Well, it's up to the

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authorities now, the courts, and I don't think there's much

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doubt about the outcome. Kimball's attempt to kill us was

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the clincher. That's for Tommy Walker. The air Well, you'll

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have to pay him off on Old Bill's policy expense

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account total including the trip back to Hartford twenty four

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five yours truly, Johnny Dollar. Johnny Dollar has come to

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you through the worldwide facilities of the United States Armed

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Forces Radio and Television Service.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back. So let's talk about what Johnny mentioned, the

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seven points of similarity. What does that actually mean or

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what did that mean in nineteen thirty eight. Well, it

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was a reference to fingerprints and the rules for properly

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identifying them. Now, you might have recalled from some episodes

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of dragonet Joe Friday asking a fingerprint man how many

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points they were able to identify, because not every criminal

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leaves behind a perfect print at the scene of the crime.

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But as long as law enforcement was able to match

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a certain number of characteristics between the prints found at

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the scene of the crime and the perpetrators, you were

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in business. Now, seven points of similarity was a standard

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used by some law enforcement agencies, but there were other

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standards as well, with some using eight, twelve or sixteen.

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But all of these basically have been found to have

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no scientific basis, and matching today is based much more

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on the overall judgment of the print rather than an

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arbitrary number. Now, what does that have to do with

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this case? I'd sure like to know that myself. It

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seems like Johnstone heard the idea of seven points of

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similarity and took it as a general principle for forensic evidence,

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which it isn't. That said, the idea that some evidence

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is totally irrelevant or inadmissible because it can be called

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circumstantial is also a bit of a fallacy. We tend

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to think, or a lot of people tend to think,

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that direct eyewitness testimony is the best sort of evidence.

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But so many people have gone to jail on false

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or an accurate eyewitness testimony, And it's not always a

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case of malice. Sometimes people misremember, particularly in the heat

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of the moment or when asked to recall facts later.

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In many cases, well collected physical evidence can be powerful

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and more credible, which I think is what Johnstone wanted

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to communicate, but kind of got lost in the weeds,

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which is kind of odd because he usually did his research.

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Maybe it was a case of the increasing workload on

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Johnny Doller catching up with him and him taking a

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shortcut which led to an unfortunate result. I also had

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to chuckle at Ray and his wife trying to preemptively

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stop Johnny from accusing Ray, because obviously accusing Ray would

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make no sense as it was his vehicle that got

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blown up. It's as if Johnny's reputation for getting on

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the wrong track and making completely wild accusations had started

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to get around and racist like oh no, not again.

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Listener comments and feedback and have a couple of comments

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regarding the Mahawvey reds sequel matter mechanics sixty six comments

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something fishy and doctor who done it replies and again

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this is on Spotify. I agree turns out Red was

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a red herring. But when Johnny got the opportunity, he

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got the bad guy. Never let it be said that

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the art of bad puns died with the end of

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the Boston Blackie Radio series. Thanks so much, though I

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appreciate the comments. Brought a smile on my face. Now

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it's time to thank our Patreon supporter of the day,

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supporter since February twenty twenty three, currently supporting the podcast

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Thanks so much for your support, Michael, and that will

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do it for today. If you're enjoying the podcast, please

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be back next Friday with another episode of Yours Truly

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Johnny Dollar, but join us back here tomorrow as we

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hand over to the great adventurers of Old time radio

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with Cloak and daggerwaar.

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Speaker 9: I still say there's no reason for you to hate him.

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Why do you care? Who's running turn John? Yeah, I

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told him then.

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Speaker 3: I don't know why I did. I never told anyone

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else how they had murdered my family nineteen six years before,

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my father, my mother, my two sisters.

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Speaker 9: The Jumps had killed them all, and if.

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Speaker 8: We hadn't got out of the city ahead of them,

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they'd have killed my brother, Flooran and myself.

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Speaker 9: So it wasn't always your waitress in the waterfront dive.

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Huh Ti. No, then my brother didn't always prowl the

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streets looking for trouble.

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Speaker 3: I got the Jumps to thank for that.

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Speaker 1: I hope you'll be with us then in the meantime.

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Sends your comments to Box thirteen at Great Attractives dot net,

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This is your host, Adam Graham, signing off.

