Speaker 1: It's time for tech talk.
Speaker 2: The machines are getting smarter. This is tech Talk, brought
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Speaker 3: Mark Saltzman joins us on Thursdays and today we are
Speaker 3: going to be talking about AI. It seems like every
Speaker 3: day there's a new angle when it comes to AI,
Speaker 3: and we are just at the very beginning of this journey.
Speaker 3: How to identify AI generated photos?
Speaker 2: Is it real? Or is it computer generated? Mark knows
Speaker 2: all the secrets.
Speaker 4: It can be tough, it can be you know, it's
Speaker 4: even though it is early days. I agree with you, Shannon,
Speaker 4: it is getting to the point where you can it
Speaker 4: may be tough to see if it's real or not
Speaker 4: with your own eyes. Yeah, it's uh, We're getting there.
Speaker 4: But there's a couple of little things you can do.
Speaker 4: So I wrote an article on how to detect an
Speaker 4: AI based photo or video. I guess the first thing
Speaker 4: is just to think, well, why am I seeing this?
Speaker 4: Did somebody send you something that's on elicited? You know,
Speaker 4: like that like question why you're seeing it? To begin with?
Speaker 4: Before you study the photo or video, just ask yourself why, right?
Speaker 2: Why?
Speaker 4: Why is uh, you know, Donald Trump sending me something
Speaker 4: selling his watches in my inbox or something. I don't know,
Speaker 4: America first watches, I don't know, just so question that.
Speaker 4: But there are a couple of things you can do.
Speaker 4: So number one is I always look at this skin
Speaker 4: first of the person. Is it too smooth, too waxy,
Speaker 4: or is the hair just perfect. There's a kind of
Speaker 4: look that a lot of these AI programs have for
Speaker 4: skin where it's just too polished and I don't mean
Speaker 4: like a filter, it's just not real looking. And also,
Speaker 4: and this is sort of getting they're getting better at
Speaker 4: this is is the fingers and the toes.
Speaker 2: AI has trouble sometimes with you know, with the correct number. Yeah, right,
Speaker 2: you got like six fingers and stuff like that.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of misinformation, a lot of these upaganda photos,
Speaker 4: you know, especially coming out of the wars in Ukraine
Speaker 4: or in Gaza, where you're seeing these doctorate images that
Speaker 4: are not real and they're trying to you know, cause
Speaker 4: an emotional reaction, which often works.
Speaker 2: But if you look at it and there you say.
Speaker 4: Oh, it's that that kid has six fingers, then yeah,
Speaker 4: then you know that it's not real. Also, the eyes
Speaker 4: is a tell all things. If it looks blank or
Speaker 4: lifeless or unnaturally shiny. Then that also can be helped,
Speaker 4: but it can be tough, and especially if you're looking
Speaker 4: at it on your phone. Everything's too small. Yeah, it's small.
Speaker 4: You may not see these little things. But yeah, again,
Speaker 4: just question why you're seeing it. Another trick that I
Speaker 4: do sometimes is I do a reverse Google search. So
Speaker 4: I'll download the photo and I'll reverse search it on
Speaker 4: the Google Image option and it'll show up in multiple
Speaker 4: places and it can tell you if it's real or not.
Speaker 4: There's all so free AI detection tools if you want
Speaker 4: to go that far. One's called Illuminati and other ones
Speaker 4: called deep Fake Detector. These are tools that can tell
Speaker 4: you a little bit more definitively than your hunch, your
Speaker 4: Spidey sense if it's real or not. So that's one thing,
Speaker 4: but again to me, the biggest one is applying common sense.
Speaker 4: Why is Oprah endorsing a risky drug or an investment opportunity?
Speaker 4: Just just question why you're seeing this to begin with.
Speaker 4: And then similarly, videos are are it's the same thing.
Speaker 4: Look for anything weird, like the shadows don't match, or
Speaker 4: the lighting doesn't match, the you know, or the look
Speaker 4: at the lips and the voice as good as they're getting.
Speaker 4: You can often tell that the voice and the lips
Speaker 4: it's not real. It's or if the voice lacks emotion
Speaker 4: or has weird like a weird cadence, or you know,
Speaker 4: the I play these games on my phone where I
Speaker 4: know when I'm sitting through ads on them.
Speaker 2: When they're AI generated there.
Speaker 4: These games are often made over seas, and the ads
Speaker 4: it's like, Hi, I'm a neuro neurologist, and i recommend
Speaker 4: this puzzle game and I'm looking at the lips and
Speaker 4: this it's just it's just off. So you're again, you
Speaker 4: should probably tell pretty well. So if you want to
Speaker 4: find this article on how to tell if something is
Speaker 4: fake or not a deep fake, just do a search
Speaker 4: for my name, Mark Saltsman, Mark with the sea, Saltsman
Speaker 4: with the Z, and you'll and and just type in
Speaker 4: deep fake and you'll you'll be able to find my tips.
Speaker 2: Mark. I had it.
Speaker 1: I saw an image this morning, as a matter of fact,
Speaker 1: and it brought up a feeling that I saw or
Speaker 1: that that I had when I saw another image, probably
Speaker 1: a couple of months ago, and it was a like
Speaker 1: an evolving figure. In this case, it was at a
Speaker 1: water park, so think of SeaWorld or something like that.
Speaker 1: And it was supposed to be a fat person in
Speaker 1: like morbidly obese person in the tank instead of a whale.
Speaker 1: And it was clearly an AI generated person, but the
Speaker 1: face was very realistic. Uh, And it gave me this
Speaker 1: very weird feeling. And the other feeling I had that
Speaker 1: similar in that there was a video I think I
Speaker 1: mentioned this on the air. There was a video taken
Speaker 1: in an airport walkway a concourse somewhere and there was
Speaker 1: an image of a very large spider with a human
Speaker 1: head on it and it was attacking somebody.
Speaker 2: Now it's the weirdest. Now again those are those are.
Speaker 1: Yes, But but what about it? I knew, But yeah,
Speaker 1: I know it's fake. But there's there's a there's a
Speaker 1: weird and I mean legitimate biological reaction to us seeing
Speaker 1: things that like we're not supposed to see.
Speaker 2: I don't like what it is.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, again, it's just your brain telling you that
Speaker 4: is something that is not logical for you to see
Speaker 4: with your eyes. You know, I mean the first description
Speaker 4: about the sea world or whatever, I can't envision X.
Speaker 4: I don't know how unrealistic it looked for this obese person.
Speaker 4: But the second one, clearly you don't often see a
Speaker 4: human face on a giant spider's body, right, not often,
Speaker 4: So yeah, that's that again.
Speaker 2: That's that's probably an easier.
Speaker 4: Thing to detect than you know, what looks like a
Speaker 4: politician who you've you've seen their face a million times
Speaker 4: and you're looking at it on your phone. It may
Speaker 4: look really like them, but that one should be a
Speaker 4: little bit easier to guess.
Speaker 2: It's not.
Speaker 4: But yeah, it's that weird sensation. If you remember TV's
Speaker 4: It is a bit off topic. The TV's a couple
Speaker 4: of years ago had this like soap opera effect on it.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Companies were trying to smooth out motion and
Speaker 4: it was an inexpensive way of doing it.
Speaker 2: Even though you're watching.
Speaker 4: Like Jurassic Park, it looks like it was shot like
Speaker 4: on the It looks like it was like on the
Speaker 4: yn R set, you know, and it had this weird thing.
Speaker 4: And it is only when you turned it off did
Speaker 4: you realize. But you couldn't put your finger on what
Speaker 4: looked weird about it. It was almost shot with like a
Speaker 4: video tape, like a video recorder, a VHS recorder from
Speaker 4: the eighties a camp quarder. But yeah, so yeah, trust
Speaker 4: your spidey sense more than anything, you.
Speaker 1: Know, spidey sense. Could we find another sense that we can.
Speaker 4: Why you know like that, Oh yeah, sorry the spider spider,
Speaker 4: but the sorry about Yeah your gut, your gut, trust
Speaker 4: your gut.
Speaker 2: I don't know, is there Okay.
Speaker 1: The other thing is the other question I had for
Speaker 1: you was, if you think back in recent history, within
Speaker 1: the last year or two, if not slightly more than that,
Speaker 1: is there a specific image that we now know was
Speaker 1: AI generated that at the time you fell.
Speaker 2: For Yeah, I can't think of anything off hand.
Speaker 4: Again, if you do a reverse search, because you know,
Speaker 4: you might feel like you've seen that picture before and
Speaker 4: it's so so when you do that reverse search, it's
Speaker 4: not just to verify if it's AI or not, but
Speaker 4: also if it's been used over and over and over again.
Speaker 2: I don't know if there.
Speaker 4: I think that you know, the the meme of the
Speaker 4: guy with his arm around the girl and he's looking
Speaker 4: at another girl behind him. So that's been obviously a
Speaker 4: popular meme and everybody changes what the person is looking
Speaker 4: back at.
Speaker 2: But I don't know if that is real or not,
Speaker 2: or if that's that was a real.
Speaker 3: Feel like that's like a Geeddy image image.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, like when you type in I stock photo
Speaker 4: or Eddy. But I suspect I don't know if that's real.
Speaker 4: That's one that I'm not sure if it's real or not,
Speaker 4: because it's.
Speaker 3: Just it's so old. I think that it's got to
Speaker 3: be real.
Speaker 1: The reason, the reason I thought of it was because
Speaker 1: when we when I saw that we were going to
Speaker 1: do this topic today, what immediately came to mind was
Speaker 1: Pope Francis in that Balenciaga puffer jacket.
Speaker 2: Right right, a couple of years ago. Yeah, that was
Speaker 2: only like that. Yeah, I guess you're right about two
Speaker 2: years ago.
Speaker 3: I'm filling up my dreams with very troubling images.
Speaker 2: Yes, thank you so much. A spider wearing a puffer jacket.
Speaker 3: The Pope is involved attacking somebody at an airport.
Speaker 1: All right, perfect, Mark, thank you for your time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course. Likewise, have a good one, happy Easter
Speaker 2: long weekend. Thank you. I appreciate that. Gobble gobble. Oh wait,
Speaker 2: that's deferent. Thanksgiving