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<v Speaker 1>It's time for tech talk.

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<v Speaker 2>The machines are getting smarter. This is tech Talk, brought

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<v Speaker 2>to you by Skynet Problem.

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<v Speaker 3>Mark Saltzman joins us on Thursdays and today we are

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<v Speaker 3>going to be talking about AI. It seems like every

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<v Speaker 3>day there's a new angle when it comes to AI,

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<v Speaker 3>and we are just at the very beginning of this journey.

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<v Speaker 3>How to identify AI generated photos?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it real? Or is it computer generated? Mark knows

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<v Speaker 2>all the secrets.

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<v Speaker 4>It can be tough, it can be you know, it's

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<v Speaker 4>even though it is early days. I agree with you, Shannon,

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<v Speaker 4>it is getting to the point where you can it

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<v Speaker 4>may be tough to see if it's real or not

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<v Speaker 4>with your own eyes. Yeah, it's uh, We're getting there.

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<v Speaker 4>But there's a couple of little things you can do.

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<v Speaker 4>So I wrote an article on how to detect an

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<v Speaker 4>AI based photo or video. I guess the first thing

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<v Speaker 4>is just to think, well, why am I seeing this?

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<v Speaker 4>Did somebody send you something that's on elicited? You know,

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<v Speaker 4>like that like question why you're seeing it? To begin with?

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<v Speaker 4>Before you study the photo or video, just ask yourself why, right?

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<v Speaker 2>Why?

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<v Speaker 4>Why is uh, you know, Donald Trump sending me something

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<v Speaker 4>selling his watches in my inbox or something. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 4>America first watches, I don't know, just so question that.

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<v Speaker 4>But there are a couple of things you can do.

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<v Speaker 4>So number one is I always look at this skin

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<v Speaker 4>first of the person. Is it too smooth, too waxy,

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<v Speaker 4>or is the hair just perfect. There's a kind of

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<v Speaker 4>look that a lot of these AI programs have for

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<v Speaker 4>skin where it's just too polished and I don't mean

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<v Speaker 4>like a filter, it's just not real looking. And also,

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<v Speaker 4>and this is sort of getting they're getting better at

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<v Speaker 4>this is is the fingers and the toes.

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<v Speaker 2>AI has trouble sometimes with you know, with the correct number. Yeah, right,

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<v Speaker 2>you got like six fingers and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 4>There's a lot of misinformation, a lot of these upaganda photos,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, especially coming out of the wars in Ukraine

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<v Speaker 4>or in Gaza, where you're seeing these doctorate images that

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<v Speaker 4>are not real and they're trying to you know, cause

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<v Speaker 4>an emotional reaction, which often works.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you look at it and there you say.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, it's that that kid has six fingers, then yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>then you know that it's not real. Also, the eyes

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<v Speaker 4>is a tell all things. If it looks blank or

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<v Speaker 4>lifeless or unnaturally shiny. Then that also can be helped,

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<v Speaker 4>but it can be tough, and especially if you're looking

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<v Speaker 4>at it on your phone. Everything's too small. Yeah, it's small.

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<v Speaker 4>You may not see these little things. But yeah, again,

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<v Speaker 4>just question why you're seeing it. Another trick that I

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<v Speaker 4>do sometimes is I do a reverse Google search. So

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<v Speaker 4>I'll download the photo and I'll reverse search it on

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<v Speaker 4>the Google Image option and it'll show up in multiple

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<v Speaker 4>places and it can tell you if it's real or not.

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<v Speaker 4>There's all so free AI detection tools if you want

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<v Speaker 4>to go that far. One's called Illuminati and other ones

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<v Speaker 4>called deep Fake Detector. These are tools that can tell

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<v Speaker 4>you a little bit more definitively than your hunch, your

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<v Speaker 4>Spidey sense if it's real or not. So that's one thing,

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<v Speaker 4>but again to me, the biggest one is applying common sense.

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<v Speaker 4>Why is Oprah endorsing a risky drug or an investment opportunity?

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<v Speaker 4>Just just question why you're seeing this to begin with.

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<v Speaker 4>And then similarly, videos are are it's the same thing.

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<v Speaker 4>Look for anything weird, like the shadows don't match, or

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<v Speaker 4>the lighting doesn't match, the you know, or the look

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<v Speaker 4>at the lips and the voice as good as they're getting.

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<v Speaker 4>You can often tell that the voice and the lips

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<v Speaker 4>it's not real. It's or if the voice lacks emotion

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<v Speaker 4>or has weird like a weird cadence, or you know,

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<v Speaker 4>the I play these games on my phone where I

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<v Speaker 4>know when I'm sitting through ads on them.

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<v Speaker 2>When they're AI generated there.

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<v Speaker 4>These games are often made over seas, and the ads

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<v Speaker 4>it's like, Hi, I'm a neuro neurologist, and i recommend

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<v Speaker 4>this puzzle game and I'm looking at the lips and

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<v Speaker 4>this it's just it's just off. So you're again, you

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<v Speaker 4>should probably tell pretty well. So if you want to

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<v Speaker 4>find this article on how to tell if something is

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<v Speaker 4>fake or not a deep fake, just do a search

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<v Speaker 4>for my name, Mark Saltsman, Mark with the sea, Saltsman

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<v Speaker 4>with the Z, and you'll and and just type in

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<v Speaker 4>deep fake and you'll you'll be able to find my tips.

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<v Speaker 2>Mark. I had it.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw an image this morning, as a matter of fact,

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<v Speaker 1>and it brought up a feeling that I saw or

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<v Speaker 1>that that I had when I saw another image, probably

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of months ago, and it was a like

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<v Speaker 1>an evolving figure. In this case, it was at a

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<v Speaker 1>water park, so think of SeaWorld or something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was supposed to be a fat person in

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<v Speaker 1>like morbidly obese person in the tank instead of a whale.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was clearly an AI generated person, but the

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<v Speaker 1>face was very realistic. Uh, And it gave me this

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<v Speaker 1>very weird feeling. And the other feeling I had that

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<v Speaker 1>similar in that there was a video I think I

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned this on the air. There was a video taken

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<v Speaker 1>in an airport walkway a concourse somewhere and there was

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<v Speaker 1>an image of a very large spider with a human

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<v Speaker 1>head on it and it was attacking somebody.

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<v Speaker 2>Now it's the weirdest. Now again those are those are.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, But but what about it? I knew, But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I know it's fake. But there's there's a there's a

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<v Speaker 1>weird and I mean legitimate biological reaction to us seeing

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<v Speaker 1>things that like we're not supposed to see.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't like what it is.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, yeah, again, it's just your brain telling you that

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<v Speaker 4>is something that is not logical for you to see

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<v Speaker 4>with your eyes. You know, I mean the first description

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<v Speaker 4>about the sea world or whatever, I can't envision X.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know how unrealistic it looked for this obese person.

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<v Speaker 4>But the second one, clearly you don't often see a

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<v Speaker 4>human face on a giant spider's body, right, not often,

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<v Speaker 4>So yeah, that's that again.

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's probably an easier.

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<v Speaker 4>Thing to detect than you know, what looks like a

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<v Speaker 4>politician who you've you've seen their face a million times

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<v Speaker 4>and you're looking at it on your phone. It may

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<v Speaker 4>look really like them, but that one should be a

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<v Speaker 4>little bit easier to guess.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not.

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<v Speaker 4>But yeah, it's that weird sensation. If you remember TV's

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<v Speaker 4>It is a bit off topic. The TV's a couple

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<v Speaker 4>of years ago had this like soap opera effect on it.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, Companies were trying to smooth out motion and

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<v Speaker 4>it was an inexpensive way of doing it.

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<v Speaker 2>Even though you're watching.

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<v Speaker 4>Like Jurassic Park, it looks like it was shot like

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<v Speaker 4>on the It looks like it was like on the

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<v Speaker 4>yn R set, you know, and it had this weird thing.

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<v Speaker 4>And it is only when you turned it off did

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<v Speaker 4>you realize. But you couldn't put your finger on what

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<v Speaker 4>looked weird about it. It was almost shot with like a

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<v Speaker 4>video tape, like a video recorder, a VHS recorder from

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<v Speaker 4>the eighties a camp quarder. But yeah, so yeah, trust

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<v Speaker 4>your spidey sense more than anything, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, spidey sense. Could we find another sense that we can.

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<v Speaker 4>Why you know like that, Oh yeah, sorry the spider spider,

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<v Speaker 4>but the sorry about Yeah your gut, your gut, trust

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<v Speaker 4>your gut.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, is there Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>The other thing is the other question I had for

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<v Speaker 1>you was, if you think back in recent history, within

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<v Speaker 1>the last year or two, if not slightly more than that,

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<v Speaker 1>is there a specific image that we now know was

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<v Speaker 1>AI generated that at the time you fell.

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<v Speaker 2>For Yeah, I can't think of anything off hand.

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<v Speaker 4>Again, if you do a reverse search, because you know,

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<v Speaker 4>you might feel like you've seen that picture before and

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<v Speaker 4>it's so so when you do that reverse search, it's

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<v Speaker 4>not just to verify if it's AI or not, but

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<v Speaker 4>also if it's been used over and over and over again.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if there.

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<v Speaker 4>I think that you know, the the meme of the

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<v Speaker 4>guy with his arm around the girl and he's looking

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<v Speaker 4>at another girl behind him. So that's been obviously a

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<v Speaker 4>popular meme and everybody changes what the person is looking

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<v Speaker 4>back at.

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<v Speaker 2>But I don't know if that is real or not,

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<v Speaker 2>or if that's that was a real.

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<v Speaker 3>Feel like that's like a Geeddy image image.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, like when you type in I stock photo

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<v Speaker 4>or Eddy. But I suspect I don't know if that's real.

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<v Speaker 4>That's one that I'm not sure if it's real or not,

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<v Speaker 4>because it's.

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<v Speaker 3>Just it's so old. I think that it's got to

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<v Speaker 3>be real.

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<v Speaker 1>The reason, the reason I thought of it was because

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<v Speaker 1>when we when I saw that we were going to

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<v Speaker 1>do this topic today, what immediately came to mind was

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<v Speaker 1>Pope Francis in that Balenciaga puffer jacket.

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<v Speaker 2>Right right, a couple of years ago. Yeah, that was

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<v Speaker 2>only like that. Yeah, I guess you're right about two

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<v Speaker 2>years ago.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm filling up my dreams with very troubling images.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, thank you so much. A spider wearing a puffer jacket.

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<v Speaker 3>The Pope is involved attacking somebody at an airport.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, perfect, Mark, thank you for your time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, of course. Likewise, have a good one, happy Easter

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<v Speaker 2>long weekend. Thank you. I appreciate that. Gobble gobble. Oh wait,

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<v Speaker 2>that's deferent. Thanksgiving