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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Big Blue Insider. Dick Averwell with you

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<v Speaker 1>Tuesday edition of our program. Tonight, of course, we will

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<v Speaker 1>talk a lot of Kentucky football wild Cats picking up

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<v Speaker 1>the pieces after an embarrassing loss to South Carolina. Frankly,

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<v Speaker 1>a game that Kentucky was favored to win. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>put any stock in the points spread. In fact, I

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<v Speaker 1>thought the points spread was way too big. I thought

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<v Speaker 1>it would be a close game, but it went off

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<v Speaker 1>at nine and a half. I think after opening at

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<v Speaker 1>like ten or ten and a half, I didn't think

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<v Speaker 1>Kentucky would swamp South Carolina. I thought the game Cocks

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<v Speaker 1>would be better after they almost lost that opener, but

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't think I would see what I saw. So

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<v Speaker 1>we'll talk about that tonight with Jeff Bicorol. We're also

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<v Speaker 1>gonna air from Tim Couch, the Hall of famer who's

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<v Speaker 1>being inducted this weekend into the College Football Hall of Fame.

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<v Speaker 1>He was on for a couple minutes last night with

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<v Speaker 1>Mark Soups, so we have a chance to chat with

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<v Speaker 1>him a little while longer tonight. Also coming up, myle

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<v Speaker 1>buddy John Wynn Miller, who went to UK with me,

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<v Speaker 1>worked on the Kentucky colonel, we will tell some old

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<v Speaker 1>stories about UK basketball back in the day compared to now.

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<v Speaker 1>John also, though is an accomplished author after a long

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<v Speaker 1>career and a good one in journalism, wrote a tremendous

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<v Speaker 1>book and now has a couple of sequels on the way.

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<v Speaker 1>So shameless plugs for John Wynn's book, but will tell

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<v Speaker 1>some stories about what basketball was like back in the

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<v Speaker 1>day at UK because his dad was Adolph Ruff's lawyer,

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<v Speaker 1>so John and his siblings literally grew up with Ruff's runts.

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<v Speaker 1>But we start a course on campus at UK with

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<v Speaker 1>Kentucky soccer because last night the men lost to Louisville,

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<v Speaker 1>second consecutive home pitch loss for the UK men, but

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<v Speaker 1>they did draw crowd and I mentioned this going on

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<v Speaker 1>the air the other night about how great the atmosphere

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<v Speaker 1>is at the Bell. They had more than fourteen hundred

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<v Speaker 1>people show up and go crazy over there, so they

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<v Speaker 1>had a lot of fun and did not see what

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<v Speaker 1>they wanted to see as the Wildcats dropped a one

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<v Speaker 1>to two and one on the men's side. Women had

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<v Speaker 1>two straight shutouts this past week and goalkeeper Mars Josephson,

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<v Speaker 1>a grad student, has been named the SEC Defensive Player

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<v Speaker 1>of the Week, a grad transfer from North Carolina. A

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<v Speaker 1>second time Kentucky has won the Defensive Player of the

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<v Speaker 1>Week award. After wins over Murray State and that upset

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<v Speaker 1>win over UCLA on Sunday, the Bruins ranked ninth. A

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<v Speaker 1>lot of chatter, of course, about Tom Brady and his

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<v Speaker 1>performance as a rookie broadcaster. A buddy of mine texted

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<v Speaker 1>me and said, it was mashed potatoes on white bread.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah it was, but look, it was his first game,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's a little bit of a controversy if you

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<v Speaker 1>want to call it that that. You know, some people

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<v Speaker 1>try to make it controversy. But Scott Hansen, the guy

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<v Speaker 1>who so capably anchors the red zone, he was kind

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<v Speaker 1>of teasing Brady a little bit. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>you saw the game, but the Cowboys Browns game, right beforetime,

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<v Speaker 1>they tried a sixty six yard field goal that the

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<v Speaker 1>Cowboys would have made it, but there was a flag

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<v Speaker 1>on the play, so they were about to try a

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<v Speaker 1>seventy one yarder and Brady just kind of worked his

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<v Speaker 1>way through it. Scott Hansen, though, basically poked a little

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<v Speaker 1>fun at Brady and said he's got to get more

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<v Speaker 1>excited than that, and suddenly there was this apology by

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<v Speaker 1>Scott Hansen on Twitter. He said it was unfair and inconsiderate.

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<v Speaker 1>I was saying a tongue in cheek, but it didn't

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<v Speaker 1>calculate it how it may come across. I apologize. I

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<v Speaker 1>promise I'm rooting you on in this new venture. I

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<v Speaker 1>guarantee if somebody said, hey man, you need to apologize

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<v Speaker 1>somebody upstairs because it wasn't that bad. And Brady, to

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<v Speaker 1>his credit, came back and tweeted this rookie appreciates you,

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<v Speaker 1>Scott Hanson. No apology necessary, my man, life is too

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<v Speaker 1>short to not have fun or officially on seventy yarder

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<v Speaker 1>watch and I'm gonna spike my headset when it happens.

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate somebody looking out for Tom Brady. Remember this

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<v Speaker 1>was the guy who played in Boston and not every

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<v Speaker 1>year was a super Bowl year, so he knows how

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<v Speaker 1>to take it. And as I said, if you go

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<v Speaker 1>back and listen to Scott Hanson, it wasn't that big

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<v Speaker 1>a deal what he said. But I'm thinking somebody up

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<v Speaker 1>the network chain said something to Scott Hanson. Across the country,

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<v Speaker 1>people who talked about and wrote about Brady pretty much

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<v Speaker 1>all said the same thing, and it all had up

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<v Speaker 1>to mah, you know. And we talked about it on

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<v Speaker 1>the Statewide Show last night as Billy Rutlans brought up

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<v Speaker 1>the price tag total of about three hundred and seventy

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<v Speaker 1>five million dollars. But it's his first game, and I

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<v Speaker 1>will promise you this, There isn't anybody in my line

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<v Speaker 1>of work, TV or radio who would want to go

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<v Speaker 1>back and watch or listen to their first effort on

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<v Speaker 1>air and present it as what they are capable of

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<v Speaker 1>doing now after a long career. And chief among them

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<v Speaker 1>is my man Tom Leechs, who every once in a

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<v Speaker 1>while will pull out a clip. It's not even his

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<v Speaker 1>first performance on a Paris radio station when he was sixteen,

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<v Speaker 1>but he plays it on the air and just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of laughs about it. And if I could find my

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<v Speaker 1>first efforts, I would too, because I was terrible. Most

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<v Speaker 1>of us were very few of us hit the ground

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<v Speaker 1>like Tony Romo did and take off running. I heard

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<v Speaker 1>him described as the Unicorn, and he really was because

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<v Speaker 1>he just has that outgoing personality and he started in

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<v Speaker 1>with the play calling and everything, and you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>promise you. I know for a fact because I read

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<v Speaker 1>some account of Fox's game prep with Tom Brady. They did.

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<v Speaker 1>He and Burkhart did multiple practice games. But it's not

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<v Speaker 1>the same. There's not the same energy, there's not the

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<v Speaker 1>same adrenaline. So he'll get better. Is he going to

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<v Speaker 1>be better than Greg Olsen? I don't know. Is he

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be worth three hundred and seventy five million. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know that either. I will not tune in just

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<v Speaker 1>to watch him. Maybe some people will. That's not a

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<v Speaker 1>knock on him. I watch the games I want to watch.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't care who's calling the game. If he's annoying me,

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<v Speaker 1>I will turn it off. College football numbers NBC Sports

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<v Speaker 1>is turning back handsprings because of the Nebraska Colorado game.

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<v Speaker 1>NBC said an average of six point three million viewers

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<v Speaker 1>watched the Husker twenty eight to ten win over Coach Prime,

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<v Speaker 1>most watched Big Ten Saturday night game since the series

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<v Speaker 1>debuted last year. So obviously happy about that. Nebraska's second

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<v Speaker 1>broadcast on NBC in prime time. They were featured last

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<v Speaker 1>season against Wisconsin two point four to five million, so

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<v Speaker 1>that's quite the jump. Before we hit the break, and

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<v Speaker 1>hear from Mark Stoops. He had his news conference yesterday

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<v Speaker 1>and of course spoke on the radio last night. We

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<v Speaker 1>need to acknowledge the passing of the great James Earl Jones,

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<v Speaker 1>and yeah, there's a baseball link here and you know

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<v Speaker 1>what it is, Field of Dreams. But of course he

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<v Speaker 1>is the voice of Darth Vader and always will be.

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<v Speaker 1>But what's interesting about that is he was not the

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<v Speaker 1>physical embodiment of Darth Vader. The role was actually played

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<v Speaker 1>on camera within the costume by a British actor by

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<v Speaker 1>the name of David Charles Prausse. And he was a

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<v Speaker 1>member of the MB which is it's not exactly the

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<v Speaker 1>same as being knighted, but it's in that class. There

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<v Speaker 1>are five classes of appointment of the Order, and the

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<v Speaker 1>top rank, if you will, is Knight Grand Cross or

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<v Speaker 1>Dame Grand Cross. Number five is member of the Most

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<v Speaker 1>Excellent Order of the British Empire MB. So when you

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<v Speaker 1>see his name, and he since passed in print anywhere,

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<v Speaker 1>it's officially David Charles Prowse MBE. And he was an

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<v Speaker 1>actor and a fine actor, a bodybuilder and a strong man,

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<v Speaker 1>and they needed somebody big in that costume. But they

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<v Speaker 1>needed a different voice, and it's not that he has

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<v Speaker 1>a bad voice. But here are a couple of clips

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<v Speaker 1>from the movie where you hear his lines. Then you

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<v Speaker 1>hear the same lines dubbed in by James Earl Jones,

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<v Speaker 1>and I should.

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<v Speaker 2>Started tearing the ship of peas people too.

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<v Speaker 3>You finding those tastes tiny, the passages.

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<v Speaker 4>In a sess, I want them alive.

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<v Speaker 1>Come on, not tear that ship of pot So you

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<v Speaker 1>found those lines.

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<v Speaker 5>And make me the passengers.

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<v Speaker 1>I want them alive.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm a member of the Imperial Senate on a diplomatic

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<v Speaker 4>You are part.

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<v Speaker 1>Of the Ripper Ali, I'm a trait.

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<v Speaker 5>Take her away.

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<v Speaker 3>On you are pod of a rebel of lions, and

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<v Speaker 3>take it away.

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<v Speaker 1>I had read his name Prouds, but it never heard

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<v Speaker 1>him speak. But that raw footage right there tells you

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<v Speaker 1>what it sounded like on set. And then, of course

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<v Speaker 1>when they laid in James Earl Jones, who had never

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<v Speaker 1>met Carrie Fisher until they both appeared on the Big

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<v Speaker 1>Bang Theory, one of my all time favorite shows. The

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<v Speaker 1>lead character Sheldon Cooper goes to James Earl Jones to

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<v Speaker 1>ask him to come to build a comic cond event

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<v Speaker 1>with him, and instead they go out that night and

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<v Speaker 1>have all kinds of fun and pull kinds of pranks,

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<v Speaker 1>and one of them was to ring her doorbell, Carrie

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<v Speaker 1>Fisher's doorbell and run away. Here they are getting ready

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<v Speaker 1>to ring the bell.

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<v Speaker 3>Gary Fisher, and she's a little crazy, so he'll get

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<v Speaker 3>ready to run.

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<v Speaker 1>And then Fisher opens the door and comes out with

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<v Speaker 1>a baseball bat, and she yells her only line, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not funny anymore, James, why.

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<v Speaker 4>Am i alve.

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<v Speaker 1>And as I said, they had never met until the

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<v Speaker 1>filming of that show, because she was, of course on

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<v Speaker 1>the set with Star he was in a sound booth

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<v Speaker 1>doing all his lines, and so they finally got a

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<v Speaker 1>chance to meet. And one of the producers said, when

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<v Speaker 1>they finally did, Carrie Fisher put her arms out and

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<v Speaker 1>yelled dad. Because, of course, in the movie, Darth Vader

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<v Speaker 1>is the father of not just Luke Luke, I am

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<v Speaker 1>your father, but obviously also Princess Leia Luke's sisters, So

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna miss James. Earl Jonesy popped up on The

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<v Speaker 1>Simpsons and Sesame Street doing the alphabet and of course

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<v Speaker 1>the great speech from Field of Dreams.

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<v Speaker 3>The one constant through all the years Ray has been

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<v Speaker 3>Baseball America is ruled by like an army of steam rulers.

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<v Speaker 3>It's been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt and erased again.

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<v Speaker 3>But baseball doesn't marked the time. This field, this game,

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<v Speaker 3>it's a part of our past. Ray. It reminds us

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<v Speaker 3>of all that once was good.

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<v Speaker 5>The cookie again.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, people will come, Ray, People will most definitely come. Ray.

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<v Speaker 5>You will lose everything, You will be evicted.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's when Costner, listening to his brother in law,

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<v Speaker 1>does not sign and get rid of the farm. He

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<v Speaker 1>looks out and sees his dad in the outfield because

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to sign the papers, and they keep

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<v Speaker 1>and you know the rest, everything is a success. But

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the one thing that we all did for years,

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<v Speaker 1>we made the mistake of saying, when we refer to

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<v Speaker 1>that scene, if you build it, they will come, Because

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<v Speaker 1>we think about at the end of the movie, all

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<v Speaker 1>the locals pouring in to pay five bucks to see

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<v Speaker 1>this field carved out of a cornfield, which of course

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<v Speaker 1>saves the family farm. But that's not what the voice said.

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<v Speaker 1>The voice said, if you build that, he will come.

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<v Speaker 1>The voice was talking about Kevin Costner's character Ray Ray

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<v Speaker 1>So James Earl Jones so vital in that movie playing

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<v Speaker 1>And because of that movie, now they play a game

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<v Speaker 1>to the Big moon Sider, Dick Gabriel with you coming

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<v Speaker 1>up Saturday. Of course it is Kentucky and Georgia seven

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<v Speaker 1>thirty kickoff. You're hear it right here starting at five

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<v Speaker 1>thirty on six thirty wlap for the record, playing hurt today.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, walking the dog this morning, as I do

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<v Speaker 1>every morning and every afternoon. Stung by a bee on

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<v Speaker 1>me right above my wedding ring. So yeah, playing hurt,

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<v Speaker 1>we're sucking it up. Speaking of playing hurt, there may

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<v Speaker 1>be some Wildcats playing hurt, if not physically mentally against

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<v Speaker 1>Georgia this weekend because of what happened against South Carolina.

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<v Speaker 1>And you've maybe heard and read comments from Mark Stoops

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<v Speaker 1>if not, I'm here for you. Of course what came

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<v Speaker 1>out of the news conference yesterday, and he reiterated it

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it was in his opening remarks after he

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<v Speaker 1>of the hour, he talked about the fact that I

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<v Speaker 1>was not, of course, in the media scrum afterwards. We

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<v Speaker 1>were upstairs and had Mark on the postgame radio show.

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<v Speaker 1>He did not say to Tom Leach at least I

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<v Speaker 1>don't recall wondering or asserting his team didn't play very hard,

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<v Speaker 1>but evidently he did in the media because he walked

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<v Speaker 1>that back on Monday afternoon.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, much of what I said after the game

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<v Speaker 6>holds true with one exception, and it's a good thing

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<v Speaker 6>after watching the film, I actually do think our guys

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<v Speaker 4>We just didn't play very smart.

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<v Speaker 6>I said that, you know, in the post game as well,

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<v Speaker 6>and it holds true. We didn't play very we didn't

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<v Speaker 6>execute very good, and we didn't play very disciplined. We

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<v Speaker 6>didn't play very we didn't play winning football at all.

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<v Speaker 6>We played hard at times, guys were physically up for

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<v Speaker 6>the challenge, just mentally we got to do a better job.

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<v Speaker 4>And you know, you have to put a.

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<v Speaker 6>Lot of that and give credit to South Carolina for

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<v Speaker 4>They affected us.

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<v Speaker 6>They played very good, They played better than us, and

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<v Speaker 6>that's the bottom line.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, they played hard, but at times they played dumb,

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<v Speaker 1>and that was for everybody to see. The defense breaking

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<v Speaker 1>down in the secondary, the offense falling apart, with old

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<v Speaker 1>linemen missing assignments and lining up wrong and things like that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what surprised me the most is that mentally it

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<v Speaker 1>just didn't seem like Kentucky was in the game. They

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<v Speaker 1>just weren't mentally prepared. And that goes back to coaching, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but it also goes back to players who maybe thought, well,

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<v Speaker 1>we're better than we think we are. After that walkover

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<v Speaker 1>against Southern miss and so many people, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they hear it telling them how they're going to blow

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<v Speaker 1>out South Carolina, which I never thought what happened, but

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<v Speaker 1>I thought they'd win. I did think it would be

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<v Speaker 1>a grind him out game with maybe the last possession

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<v Speaker 1>coming into play, either a team needing to score or

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<v Speaker 1>needing to keep the ball away from the other guys.

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<v Speaker 1>And it looked like it was going to be that way,

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<v Speaker 1>didn't it. At halftime it was ten to six, And

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<v Speaker 1>of course Stoop's still kicking himself and always will for

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<v Speaker 1>going forward early on fourth and one when his team

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<v Speaker 1>was having trouble moving to football. But of course at

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<v Speaker 1>the time he thought we may not get a better

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<v Speaker 1>chance to get a first down this deep and enemy territory.

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<v Speaker 1>So he goes for it and it fails, and almost

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<v Speaker 1>immediately he regretted it, said it as much to me

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<v Speaker 1>at halftime. But here's what he said Monday.

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<v Speaker 4>Somebody asked me the question that postgame.

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<v Speaker 6>I think it was John, you know about you know,

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<v Speaker 6>going forward, and that's that's clearly a mistake on me.

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<v Speaker 6>The game was very tight at that point. Both teams

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<v Speaker 6>were struggling to move above football.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, heck the game, didn't you know.

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<v Speaker 6>I think they went up seventeen on like the eighth

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<v Speaker 6>or ninth possession of the game, and that was on

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<v Speaker 4>I think we had them stopped.

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<v Speaker 6>I think they're going to punk the ball, and you know,

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<v Speaker 6>it's ten to sixth game at that point, and would

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<v Speaker 6>have been even closer, you know, you know, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>possibly if i'd have punched the ball there.

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<v Speaker 1>I always talk about second guessing. I say it's only

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<v Speaker 1>fair if you second gays, or if you have an

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<v Speaker 1>way and it doesn't work. It's not fair to second

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<v Speaker 1>guess after the play. Anybody can do that. But I

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<v Speaker 1>have to admit at that point I was really surprised

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<v Speaker 1>by what I thought was quite the gamble. But then

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<v Speaker 1>again I thought, well, it is early, but that game

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<v Speaker 1>at that point had all the trappings, as I said,

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<v Speaker 1>of the kind of game I thought it was going

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<v Speaker 1>to be, which was grind them out, maybe not a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of points scored. Over and under was forty two

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<v Speaker 1>and a half, so that means it could have been

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<v Speaker 1>twenty three to twenty. You know, if you go over

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<v Speaker 1>That is not a huge score in an SEC game,

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<v Speaker 1>as you know. But things went downhill after that. They

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<v Speaker 1>still had their opportunities, and when South Carolina had it

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<v Speaker 1>fourth and short at a near midfield spot and a

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<v Speaker 1>fifth year senior jumps off sides. And again keep in mind, now,

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<v Speaker 1>when you're on defense, you don't listen. You're not supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to listen to the quarterback. You watch the ball. That's

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<v Speaker 1>how you react. On offense. You obviously listen for the

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<v Speaker 1>snapcount defense. You're taught from pewee football on watch the football.

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<v Speaker 1>But people fall for the hard count, don't they. We

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<v Speaker 1>have become so good at it. And here was a

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<v Speaker 1>freshman for South Carolina drown Kentucky offside. So it all

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<v Speaker 1>turned on that and it went from bad to worse.

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<v Speaker 1>So they've got these days to clean things up. And

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<v Speaker 1>remember they don't practice on Monday, not a hard physical practice, Tuesday, Wednesday,

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit on Thursday, walk through Friday. That's what

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<v Speaker 1>you do to get ready for Georgia. Georgia does the same.

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<v Speaker 1>But Georgia is going to come in here basically with

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<v Speaker 1>better players at virtually every position. I think Kentucky's got

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<v Speaker 1>a cornerback and Maxwell Hairston who could measure up obviously

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<v Speaker 1>Dion Walker. I think in all fairness, the two insidelnebackers

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<v Speaker 1>d Eric Jackson and Jamon Johnson could measure up with

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<v Speaker 1>SEC teams. But anybody in the offense right now, well

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<v Speaker 1>in Theory Key and Barrion Brown. But Dane made a

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<v Speaker 1>great catch on Saturday. Barrion was just kind of out

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<v Speaker 1>of it Saturday, So it's not impossible, but it's really improbable.

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<v Speaker 5>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Kentucky has beaten Georgia a couple of times. It's been

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<v Speaker 1>a while. Rich Brooks was the head coach when they

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<v Speaker 1>beat the Bulldogs twice. We'll hear from him on Thursday

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<v Speaker 1>show kind of a special presentation about Kentucky Georgia under

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<v Speaker 1>Rich Brooks. Carson Beck, the leader naturally for Georgia, the

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<v Speaker 1>quarterback who is among the top quarterbacks listed in the

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<v Speaker 1>QB rankings by Bleacher Report. He is in the top five,

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't quite make the top five. Number seven is

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<v Speaker 1>my man, Dylan Gabriel. Never met him, but got to

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<v Speaker 1>sixth right now according to Bleacher Report, cam Ward of Miami,

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<v Speaker 1>one Jackson Dart of Ole, miss So Kentucky will see Dart,

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<v Speaker 1>they'll see yours, they'll see the kid from Missouri. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>Carson Beck's coming in. It's just a rough worksheet for

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<v Speaker 1>the Wildcats. In fact, Georgia is first in the apeop

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<v Speaker 1>plele Texas, Ohio State, Alabama, Ole, miss So there's three

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<v Speaker 1>the top five on the UK schedule, Missouri, Tennessee, let's

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<v Speaker 1>see Penn State is eighth, Oregon ninth, Miami tenth, and

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<v Speaker 1>Louisville nineteenth this week. So yeah, it is going to

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<v Speaker 1>be one rough season. I want to tip my cap

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<v Speaker 1>to my broadcast partner on Kentucky Volleyball, Leah Edmund. She

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<v Speaker 1>started her broadcast career with US on SEC Plus and

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<v Speaker 1>she now is moving up a little bit. She'll still

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<v Speaker 1>work some SEC plus broadcasts, but will work some other

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<v Speaker 1>she's got three assignments coming up, and we'll keep you

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<v Speaker 1>posting on that. But of course she is a great

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<v Speaker 1>volleyball player, maybe the best in UK history. Four time

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<v Speaker 1>All Conference, four time All American, and she graduated right

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<v Speaker 1>before they won the national title. But they were standing

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<v Speaker 1>on her shoulders, hers and many others. And she is

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<v Speaker 1>now playing for the Atlanta Vibe, playing professionally for the

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<v Speaker 1>Atlanta Vibe in the Pro Volleyball Federation. She's in her

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<v Speaker 1>But does a nice job as a broadcaster. Great volleyball

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<v Speaker 1>player and now moving up like a lot of folks

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<v Speaker 1>who got your starter with your old dad here, So

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<v Speaker 1>good luck to her. I'm so proud when they're ready

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<v Speaker 1>to leave the nest and make the big leap. Tim

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<v Speaker 1>couches next year on The Big Bluon Sider six thirty

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<v Speaker 1>Wlap Welcome back to the Big Bluon Sider. We don't

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<v Speaker 1>get to say this often enough on the show. We're

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<v Speaker 1>joined now by a Hall of Famer. That would be

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<v Speaker 1>mister Tim Couch. Of course, you know I'm Kentucky quarterback

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<v Speaker 1>legendary and now going in to the College Football Hall

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<v Speaker 1>of Fame, Tim, welcome back. We've edge on the show before,

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<v Speaker 1>but this is the first year right on the eve

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<v Speaker 5>I'm super excited, Dick. I mean, you know, it's a

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<v Speaker 5>tremendous honor, very humbled by you being recognized in this

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<v Speaker 5>year's twenty twenty four Hall of Fame class, going in

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<v Speaker 5>with a great group of guys, and you know, just

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<v Speaker 5>very thankful for my time at Kentucky and for the

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<v Speaker 5>coaches teammates that I had an opportunity to play with,

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<v Speaker 5>and you know, just just a great thanks fell in

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<v Speaker 5>in and putting in the air rate offense and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>You were talking last night briefly on the show with

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<v Speaker 5>Absolutely, you know, you know this is you know, we

420
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<v Speaker 5>played the ultimate team sport and you know so to

421
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<v Speaker 5>to get an individual recognition is you know, just something

422
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<v Speaker 5>that I'm kind of kind of uncomfortable with, to be honest,

423
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<v Speaker 5>because there were so many people that helped me get there,

424
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<v Speaker 5>and you know, I wish I could take all those

425
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<v Speaker 5>guys with me, and I certainly, you know, when I'm

426
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<v Speaker 5>on that stage, I'll be thinking about my teammates and

427
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<v Speaker 5>and very appreciative of, you know, having them, you know,

428
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<v Speaker 5>to play with in my time at Kentucky, and you know,

429
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<v Speaker 5>hopefully they feel part of this as well.

430
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<v Speaker 1>You know what was part of how Mummy's genius with

431
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<v Speaker 1>the passing game? And obviously he had the right man

432
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<v Speaker 1>pulling the trick, but you also had the right guys

433
00:24:01.640 --> 00:24:04.720
<v Speaker 1>catching the footballs and Craig Yeast and Anthony White and

434
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<v Speaker 1>Michelson and all these guys. You guys made it look

435
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<v Speaker 1>so easy on offense. Why is that? With the air

436
00:24:10.960 --> 00:24:13.079
<v Speaker 1>raid when it's run right, you can't have a bunch

437
00:24:13.079 --> 00:24:16.119
<v Speaker 1>of rum dumbs out there. But when you've got the

438
00:24:16.240 --> 00:24:18.960
<v Speaker 1>right people running it, why does it look so simple?

439
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<v Speaker 5>You know, I think the offense in itself is very simple.

440
00:24:23.200 --> 00:24:26.119
<v Speaker 5>You know, the concepts are simple. It's not a very

441
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<v Speaker 5>complicated system to learn it doesn't take very long to install.

442
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<v Speaker 5>But like you said, Nick, it's you know, you can

443
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<v Speaker 5>have the greatest, you know, scheme in the world, but

444
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<v Speaker 5>if you don't have a quarterback who's who's accurate with

445
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<v Speaker 5>the football make quick decisions, you know, can can get

446
00:24:39.640 --> 00:24:42.559
<v Speaker 5>your process information quickly. And then you have receivers who

447
00:24:42.599 --> 00:24:45.079
<v Speaker 5>were great with run after the catch, you know, because

448
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<v Speaker 5>a lot of the air raid is the shorts intermediate

449
00:24:47.119 --> 00:24:50.039
<v Speaker 5>passing game. So you're relying on those guys to break tackles,

450
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<v Speaker 5>the quarterback to be accurate, to put the ball in

451
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<v Speaker 5>the spot where receivers can catch and run. And you know,

452
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<v Speaker 5>so we had all those guys, like you said, we

453
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<v Speaker 5>had Craig Yeast, who was, you know, one of the

454
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<v Speaker 5>best receivers in the history of the SEC. You know,

455
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<v Speaker 5>Lance Micholson, Quinn mccoor, James Whalen, Uh, Jimmy Robinson, you know,

456
00:25:05.319 --> 00:25:08.240
<v Speaker 5>so many guys, Kevin Coleman. Uh. You know, obviously Anthony

457
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<v Speaker 5>White was unbelievable out of the backfield. It's uh, we

458
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<v Speaker 5>we just had a perfect, perfect set of guys for

459
00:25:13.759 --> 00:25:16.000
<v Speaker 5>to run that scheme. It was uh, it was just

460
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<v Speaker 5>a match mad and heaven with with coach, mommy coming

461
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<v Speaker 5>in and the guys we had there on campus.

462
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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I've got you on the phone. So I got

463
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<v Speaker 1>to ask you this because I have Anthony White on

464
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<v Speaker 1>He's on every Sunday morning. But I always bring up

465
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<v Speaker 1>the fact that his nickname was aunt B and you

466
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<v Speaker 1>hung that on him. Why did you call him? Uh?

467
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<v Speaker 5>You know, I can't remember exactly. It seems it seems

468
00:25:38.839 --> 00:25:41.759
<v Speaker 5>like somebody in practice said that, you know, we called

469
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<v Speaker 5>him aunt and then somebody said aunt be ballin or

470
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<v Speaker 5>something because you know, they couldn't stop him. You know,

471
00:25:46.519 --> 00:25:48.599
<v Speaker 5>he was uh he was, you know, running for one

472
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<v Speaker 5>hundred catching for one hundred some games, and he was

473
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<v Speaker 5>just he was just a you know, all around kind

474
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<v Speaker 5>of guy. So we just started calling him aunt Bee

475
00:25:55.880 --> 00:25:58.079
<v Speaker 5>for short, and it just kind of stuck. But uh,

476
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<v Speaker 5>what what what a commnutal football player?

477
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<v Speaker 1>Well, oh, now that helps me because I had the

478
00:26:03.160 --> 00:26:06.319
<v Speaker 1>mental image of an B from Andy Griffith, So now

479
00:26:06.799 --> 00:26:10.519
<v Speaker 1>a short for Anthony. Okay, that helps me so much.

480
00:26:10.799 --> 00:26:13.200
<v Speaker 1>But I also bring up the fact Tim and you

481
00:26:13.279 --> 00:26:15.839
<v Speaker 1>may embarrass him a little, I don't think it does that.

482
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<v Speaker 1>When he left UK, he was a top five all

483
00:26:18.880 --> 00:26:21.759
<v Speaker 1>time combo back wasn't he. I mean, he was a

484
00:26:21.799 --> 00:26:23.240
<v Speaker 1>perfect guy for that offense.

485
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<v Speaker 5>He really was. I mean, if you're going to run

486
00:26:25.839 --> 00:26:27.799
<v Speaker 5>that type of system, you know, you need a running back.

487
00:26:28.359 --> 00:26:30.319
<v Speaker 5>You know, Anthony had wide receiver skills. You know, he

488
00:26:30.359 --> 00:26:32.759
<v Speaker 5>could have been a wide receiver, but he also had

489
00:26:32.759 --> 00:26:34.920
<v Speaker 5>great running back skills as well. And he could and

490
00:26:35.000 --> 00:26:36.920
<v Speaker 5>he could block. You know, he could pick up flitzes.

491
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<v Speaker 5>You know, he was unbelievable catching the ball out of

492
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<v Speaker 5>the backfield, you know, third and third and medium, third

493
00:26:41.799 --> 00:26:44.119
<v Speaker 5>and short. When we were in a passing game and

494
00:26:44.160 --> 00:26:46.400
<v Speaker 5>I saw man coverage, you know, it was either you know,

495
00:26:46.559 --> 00:26:48.440
<v Speaker 5>Craig or one on one on the outside. If Craig

496
00:26:48.519 --> 00:26:51.119
<v Speaker 5>didn't win, I was coming underneath to to Anthony because

497
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<v Speaker 5>I knew he was going to be matched up with

498
00:26:52.440 --> 00:26:54.960
<v Speaker 5>a linebacker or potentially a safety maybe, and he was

499
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<v Speaker 5>going to win that match up every time. You know,

500
00:26:56.640 --> 00:26:58.880
<v Speaker 5>with the option routes and the angle routes we were running,

501
00:26:59.200 --> 00:27:00.880
<v Speaker 5>uh some of those things. He was just literally a

502
00:27:00.880 --> 00:27:02.400
<v Speaker 5>perfect fit for this game. Yep.

503
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<v Speaker 1>And you mentioned Craig and his speed and of course

504
00:27:05.160 --> 00:27:08.599
<v Speaker 1>he not only caught passes but return kicks in the NFL.

505
00:27:08.680 --> 00:27:11.559
<v Speaker 1>But people, somebody said this to me the other day.

506
00:27:11.599 --> 00:27:14.039
<v Speaker 1>You know, Tim Kasch didn't throw deep berry off and

507
00:27:14.039 --> 00:27:16.200
<v Speaker 1>I said, yeah, because they dropped two safeties back because

508
00:27:16.200 --> 00:27:18.880
<v Speaker 1>they knew Yeast could kill it back there. But Craig

509
00:27:18.920 --> 00:27:21.680
<v Speaker 1>could still, as you said, catch and run. I mean,

510
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<v Speaker 1>he was just the greatest.

511
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<v Speaker 5>He was. He was, you know, in my opinion. I

512
00:27:27.640 --> 00:27:29.440
<v Speaker 5>know there's been a lot of great players at Kentucky,

513
00:27:29.440 --> 00:27:31.279
<v Speaker 5>and no disrespect to any of those other guys, but

514
00:27:31.599 --> 00:27:33.519
<v Speaker 5>obviously I'm biased to Craig. I think he's the best

515
00:27:33.519 --> 00:27:36.559
<v Speaker 5>receiver ever played at Kentucky. You know, he was just

516
00:27:36.839 --> 00:27:39.519
<v Speaker 5>the guy. Was incredible man. And you know, like you said, teams,

517
00:27:39.519 --> 00:27:41.559
<v Speaker 5>that was how they tried to defend us with keeping

518
00:27:41.559 --> 00:27:43.599
<v Speaker 5>two safeties back because they couldn't leave one on one

519
00:27:43.599 --> 00:27:45.519
<v Speaker 5>on the outside with Craig. And when they did, that's

520
00:27:45.519 --> 00:27:47.720
<v Speaker 5>when we took our deep shots. And but you know,

521
00:27:48.279 --> 00:27:49.920
<v Speaker 5>as much as we were throwing the ball as kind

522
00:27:49.960 --> 00:27:52.319
<v Speaker 5>of a ball controlled passing attack, so a lot of

523
00:27:52.319 --> 00:27:54.960
<v Speaker 5>those screens and things we considered those runs, to be

524
00:27:54.960 --> 00:27:57.039
<v Speaker 5>honest with you know, those were just tall sweeps us

525
00:27:57.079 --> 00:27:59.480
<v Speaker 5>get on the outside, you know, get the ball in

526
00:27:59.519 --> 00:28:01.799
<v Speaker 5>Craig East in space, or you know, throw a screen

527
00:28:01.839 --> 00:28:04.039
<v Speaker 5>to Anthony or something like that. Those were extension of

528
00:28:04.079 --> 00:28:05.960
<v Speaker 5>the run game for us, and if teams wanted to

529
00:28:06.000 --> 00:28:08.079
<v Speaker 5>sit back and play cover two, cover four, and we

530
00:28:08.160 --> 00:28:10.400
<v Speaker 5>just had to kind of, you know, take our you know,

531
00:28:10.480 --> 00:28:12.640
<v Speaker 5>you pick and choos underneath and just take what the

532
00:28:12.640 --> 00:28:13.440
<v Speaker 5>defense is given us.

533
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<v Speaker 1>You're one of three quarterbacks going in with the class

534
00:28:16.440 --> 00:28:20.880
<v Speaker 1>of twenty twenty four. It also includes Alex Smith, who

535
00:28:20.880 --> 00:28:23.039
<v Speaker 1>helped you talk to the top of the polls under

536
00:28:23.119 --> 00:28:26.480
<v Speaker 1>Urban Meyer and I was really pleased to see as well.

537
00:28:26.599 --> 00:28:33.359
<v Speaker 1>The kid from Appalachian State going in. Gosh, Harmani Edwards. Right,

538
00:28:33.400 --> 00:28:36.000
<v Speaker 1>when you get together with guys like that, Tim, do

539
00:28:36.079 --> 00:28:38.880
<v Speaker 1>they ask do you guys talk about the systems you're in.

540
00:28:38.920 --> 00:28:40.759
<v Speaker 1>Do they ask you what it was like to run

541
00:28:40.799 --> 00:28:41.319
<v Speaker 1>the air raid?

542
00:28:41.720 --> 00:28:44.519
<v Speaker 5>Yeah? We always talk about, you know, schemes that we

543
00:28:44.519 --> 00:28:47.480
<v Speaker 5>were involved in, players we played with, you know, things

544
00:28:47.519 --> 00:28:50.440
<v Speaker 5>like that. And you know, it's a great class. Like

545
00:28:50.480 --> 00:28:53.359
<v Speaker 5>you said, we've got Randy Moss going in, Larry Fitzgerald,

546
00:28:53.880 --> 00:28:57.079
<v Speaker 5>Warwick Dunn, Julius Peppers who just went into the NFL

547
00:28:57.119 --> 00:28:59.759
<v Speaker 5>Hall of Fame as well, So that's a very strong class.

548
00:28:59.799 --> 00:29:01.880
<v Speaker 5>Loop you know, it's just you know, a list goes

549
00:29:01.920 --> 00:29:04.200
<v Speaker 5>on and on, and you know, we just just you know,

550
00:29:04.319 --> 00:29:06.240
<v Speaker 5>got to take a look at that list. It's very

551
00:29:06.279 --> 00:29:08.079
<v Speaker 5>humbling to go in with those guys. And you know,

552
00:29:08.079 --> 00:29:10.440
<v Speaker 5>I think Hall of Fame sent me some information on

553
00:29:11.200 --> 00:29:13.359
<v Speaker 5>the Hall and I think they said there's been something

554
00:29:13.440 --> 00:29:16.799
<v Speaker 5>like five point five million people play college football and

555
00:29:16.839 --> 00:29:18.920
<v Speaker 5>there's a little over a thousand guys that have been

556
00:29:18.960 --> 00:29:21.640
<v Speaker 5>selected to the Hall of Fame. So obviously a very

557
00:29:21.680 --> 00:29:24.839
<v Speaker 5>selective group of guys. And you know, completely honored to

558
00:29:24.880 --> 00:29:25.400
<v Speaker 5>be going in.

559
00:29:25.720 --> 00:29:28.000
<v Speaker 1>Talking to Tim Kuch of course, UK Hall of Fame

560
00:29:28.079 --> 00:29:30.839
<v Speaker 1>quarterback and now the College Football Hall of Fame going

561
00:29:30.920 --> 00:29:33.480
<v Speaker 1>to be honored at the game on Saturday. But yeah,

562
00:29:33.480 --> 00:29:37.400
<v Speaker 1>what a class. And I love seeing Danny woodhead. It

563
00:29:37.440 --> 00:29:40.440
<v Speaker 1>was a running back at Chaddin State, you know, a

564
00:29:40.480 --> 00:29:43.880
<v Speaker 1>small college player, but man, what a great player. And

565
00:29:43.920 --> 00:29:45.880
<v Speaker 1>then it kind of makes me feel a little bit

566
00:29:45.880 --> 00:29:48.960
<v Speaker 1>old because I grew up watching the Nebraska Oklahoma series

567
00:29:49.000 --> 00:29:52.480
<v Speaker 1>and Dewey Selman part of the Salmon family going in.

568
00:29:52.519 --> 00:29:55.079
<v Speaker 1>He played at Oklahoma back in the early seventies. The

569
00:29:55.160 --> 00:29:58.559
<v Speaker 1>game has changed so much though, Tim, through the years

570
00:29:58.599 --> 00:30:01.279
<v Speaker 1>and now it's much more about offense, isn't it.

571
00:30:02.400 --> 00:30:05.039
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it's changed, you know, so much. You know, I think,

572
00:30:05.680 --> 00:30:08.079
<v Speaker 5>you know, when I was coming into the SEC, the

573
00:30:08.119 --> 00:30:11.200
<v Speaker 5>SEC was really, you know, very much a running conference.

574
00:30:11.240 --> 00:30:13.119
<v Speaker 5>You know, it was known for having great running backs.

575
00:30:13.640 --> 00:30:15.359
<v Speaker 5>Really the only team at that time that was kind

576
00:30:15.400 --> 00:30:17.240
<v Speaker 5>of throwing the ball quite a bit was Coach Spurrier

577
00:30:17.279 --> 00:30:20.039
<v Speaker 5>down down in Florida. And then you know, Coach Mummy

578
00:30:20.039 --> 00:30:22.240
<v Speaker 5>and Leach came in and just completely you know, kind

579
00:30:22.279 --> 00:30:25.400
<v Speaker 5>of revolutionized the game, and you know it. You know,

580
00:30:25.440 --> 00:30:27.759
<v Speaker 5>I was doing broadcasting for several years after I was

581
00:30:27.759 --> 00:30:30.119
<v Speaker 5>done playing, and it was it was always amazing to

582
00:30:30.160 --> 00:30:33.000
<v Speaker 5>me to go to all these campuses and meet with

583
00:30:33.039 --> 00:30:35.480
<v Speaker 5>these coaches that had different spots, and how all of

584
00:30:35.519 --> 00:30:37.359
<v Speaker 5>them you know, would come to me and say, hey,

585
00:30:37.359 --> 00:30:39.839
<v Speaker 5>we we came to Kentucky in ninety seven or ninety

586
00:30:39.839 --> 00:30:42.079
<v Speaker 5>eight and saw what you guys are doing, and we're

587
00:30:42.119 --> 00:30:44.519
<v Speaker 5>still running a version of that even today, you know,

588
00:30:44.559 --> 00:30:47.759
<v Speaker 5>twenty years later. So you know, it was pretty cool

589
00:30:47.799 --> 00:30:49.799
<v Speaker 5>to be on the ground floor that thing, the air raid,

590
00:30:49.839 --> 00:30:51.920
<v Speaker 5>and to make it popular and to see that it's

591
00:30:51.920 --> 00:30:54.640
<v Speaker 5>still very prevalent across the country today.

592
00:30:54.759 --> 00:30:56.599
<v Speaker 1>You didn't get to spend as much time, i know,

593
00:30:56.640 --> 00:30:59.079
<v Speaker 1>as you like with Mike Leach because he just went

594
00:30:59.119 --> 00:31:02.599
<v Speaker 1>on to great and greater things in college football, helped

595
00:31:02.599 --> 00:31:04.960
<v Speaker 1>Oklahoma win a national thailand and then made a name

596
00:31:05.000 --> 00:31:07.680
<v Speaker 1>for himself. But what was it like, Tim? I mean,

597
00:31:07.720 --> 00:31:11.119
<v Speaker 1>he was such a free spirit and a unique kind

598
00:31:11.160 --> 00:31:12.000
<v Speaker 1>of guy, wasn't he.

599
00:31:12.960 --> 00:31:15.279
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, he was, you know, the most unique coach I

600
00:31:15.319 --> 00:31:18.319
<v Speaker 5>think I ever played for. And he was Mike was

601
00:31:18.319 --> 00:31:20.079
<v Speaker 5>one of those guys that you know, you go in

602
00:31:20.160 --> 00:31:21.920
<v Speaker 5>his office and talk to him, and you know, he

603
00:31:21.960 --> 00:31:24.079
<v Speaker 5>would talk to you about anything except football. You know,

604
00:31:24.079 --> 00:31:26.599
<v Speaker 5>he wanted to talk about pirates and and you know,

605
00:31:26.880 --> 00:31:29.519
<v Speaker 5>wars and every and history and all this kind of stuff.

606
00:31:29.880 --> 00:31:33.440
<v Speaker 5>And he was just a very different, very different guy.

607
00:31:33.480 --> 00:31:36.720
<v Speaker 5>But he was also extremely intelligent. He was ahead of

608
00:31:36.720 --> 00:31:38.640
<v Speaker 5>his time as far as the passing game goes, and

609
00:31:38.680 --> 00:31:41.200
<v Speaker 5>he had a very clear vision for what he wanted

610
00:31:41.240 --> 00:31:43.160
<v Speaker 5>an offense to look like and how he wanted to

611
00:31:43.240 --> 00:31:45.799
<v Speaker 5>install it. And he was very precise. You know, he

612
00:31:45.839 --> 00:31:48.400
<v Speaker 5>coached our wide receivers and was the offensive coordinator when

613
00:31:48.440 --> 00:31:50.400
<v Speaker 5>I was there, and what he was all those wide

614
00:31:50.400 --> 00:31:53.119
<v Speaker 5>receivers every single day about you know, just doing the

615
00:31:53.200 --> 00:31:55.079
<v Speaker 5>little things right where you know, if you're split is

616
00:31:55.119 --> 00:31:57.319
<v Speaker 5>supposed to be you know, inside the numbers, and that's

617
00:31:57.319 --> 00:31:59.000
<v Speaker 5>where you better line up. If you're supposed to run

618
00:31:59.160 --> 00:32:01.200
<v Speaker 5>at twelve yards, I don't want you at thirteen, don't

619
00:32:01.200 --> 00:32:03.480
<v Speaker 5>want you at eleven. You need to be precise. And

620
00:32:03.559 --> 00:32:05.640
<v Speaker 5>you know that's what made our offense so successful. We

621
00:32:05.640 --> 00:32:07.880
<v Speaker 5>were all so dialed in and locked into the to

622
00:32:07.920 --> 00:32:10.039
<v Speaker 5>the little details which which made everything work.

623
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<v Speaker 1>It was all so shocking when he left us way

624
00:32:12.759 --> 00:32:14.759
<v Speaker 1>too soon that that had to be a punch and

625
00:32:14.799 --> 00:32:15.480
<v Speaker 1>a gut for you.

626
00:32:16.519 --> 00:32:18.839
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, you know, I really hated to see that. And

627
00:32:19.039 --> 00:32:21.079
<v Speaker 5>you know, Mike and I have we kept in touch

628
00:32:21.079 --> 00:32:23.920
<v Speaker 5>over the years and would and would talk, and you know,

629
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<v Speaker 5>I just talked to him a few months before that

630
00:32:25.880 --> 00:32:28.400
<v Speaker 5>and was completely shocked by the news and saddened by it.

631
00:32:28.440 --> 00:32:30.599
<v Speaker 5>And you know, I really wish it, you know, that

632
00:32:30.640 --> 00:32:32.640
<v Speaker 5>he was around. I know he would be, you know,

633
00:32:32.680 --> 00:32:35.200
<v Speaker 5>in Las Vegas in December celebrating with me going into

634
00:32:35.240 --> 00:32:37.680
<v Speaker 5>the Hall of Fame, and you know, really really just

635
00:32:37.680 --> 00:32:39.480
<v Speaker 5>take that for his family, and he was such a

636
00:32:39.519 --> 00:32:41.960
<v Speaker 5>great guy and surely he's very missed.

637
00:32:42.240 --> 00:32:45.440
<v Speaker 1>We're talking with UK legendary quarterback Tim Kachi is being

638
00:32:45.440 --> 00:32:48.240
<v Speaker 1>inducted into the College Football Hall of Fame at the

639
00:32:48.319 --> 00:32:50.680
<v Speaker 1>end of the year, and he will be honored at

640
00:32:50.720 --> 00:32:53.640
<v Speaker 1>the game coming up Saturday at Kroger Field. Back with

641
00:32:53.720 --> 00:32:55.400
<v Speaker 1>more in just a minute on the Big Blue Sider

642
00:32:55.559 --> 00:32:59.440
<v Speaker 1>here on six thirty w LAP. We're talking with Tim Kash,

643
00:32:59.519 --> 00:33:02.920
<v Speaker 1>Kentucky Hall of Fame quarterback, and this December he'll be

644
00:33:03.119 --> 00:33:06.359
<v Speaker 1>inducted into the Football College Football Hall of Fame. Honored

645
00:33:06.359 --> 00:33:10.079
<v Speaker 1>this weekend at the stadium that some people say is

646
00:33:10.119 --> 00:33:13.200
<v Speaker 1>the stadium just couch build at least the expansion, Tim,

647
00:33:13.440 --> 00:33:15.839
<v Speaker 1>you had a lot to do with that. People people

648
00:33:15.880 --> 00:33:18.319
<v Speaker 1>trying to get tickets. But when you set foot, you

649
00:33:18.359 --> 00:33:21.759
<v Speaker 1>come back quite often, when you set foot on that field,

650
00:33:21.759 --> 00:33:24.279
<v Speaker 1>inside that stadium. How does that make you feel?

651
00:33:25.599 --> 00:33:27.480
<v Speaker 5>You know, I think the very the first thing I

652
00:33:27.519 --> 00:33:30.559
<v Speaker 5>feel is a sense of pride, you know what we

653
00:33:30.559 --> 00:33:32.920
<v Speaker 5>were able to accomplish, and and just how fun that

654
00:33:33.000 --> 00:33:35.000
<v Speaker 5>the game was when we were there, and you know

655
00:33:35.039 --> 00:33:37.880
<v Speaker 5>how how into it the fans were. And you know,

656
00:33:37.920 --> 00:33:40.680
<v Speaker 5>because Kentucky football was kind of a rough point there

657
00:33:40.720 --> 00:33:43.319
<v Speaker 5>when I first got to UK and and they weren't

658
00:33:43.359 --> 00:33:45.519
<v Speaker 5>winning many games, they were running the option, it was

659
00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:48.200
<v Speaker 5>wasn't a very exciting style of football. And then we

660
00:33:48.279 --> 00:33:50.440
<v Speaker 5>came in and you know, we were going spread offense,

661
00:33:50.480 --> 00:33:52.480
<v Speaker 5>four or five wide receivers and throwing the ball all

662
00:33:52.519 --> 00:33:55.200
<v Speaker 5>over the field, and uh, you know, it's just just

663
00:33:55.559 --> 00:33:58.000
<v Speaker 5>you know, a great time to be playing at Kentucky.

664
00:33:58.039 --> 00:34:00.559
<v Speaker 5>And and you know that coaching staff we had, you know,

665
00:34:00.559 --> 00:34:03.359
<v Speaker 5>you talk about coach Mummy and Leish and Hatcher and

666
00:34:03.400 --> 00:34:06.759
<v Speaker 5>Sonny Dykes and Tony Franklin and all those guys. We

667
00:34:06.839 --> 00:34:09.119
<v Speaker 5>had so many creative minds on the offensive side of

668
00:34:09.159 --> 00:34:11.559
<v Speaker 5>the ball. And you know, like we talked about earlier,

669
00:34:11.559 --> 00:34:13.599
<v Speaker 5>we had a great fit of players who run that

670
00:34:13.639 --> 00:34:15.880
<v Speaker 5>system as well. So, yeah, just to set the pride

671
00:34:15.880 --> 00:34:17.519
<v Speaker 5>when I'll walk into the stadium about what we were

672
00:34:17.519 --> 00:34:19.480
<v Speaker 5>able to accomplish while while I was playing there.

673
00:34:19.599 --> 00:34:22.079
<v Speaker 1>You know, you mentioned Mummy and it You're right. He

674
00:34:22.159 --> 00:34:24.199
<v Speaker 1>was such an interesting individual as well. You could see

675
00:34:24.239 --> 00:34:27.360
<v Speaker 1>why he and Leech were so tight. But it was

676
00:34:27.400 --> 00:34:30.719
<v Speaker 1>interesting to me tim when things went went south for

677
00:34:30.840 --> 00:34:33.360
<v Speaker 1>how here and of course the fans were all over him.

678
00:34:33.920 --> 00:34:37.159
<v Speaker 1>And then when Kentucky was looking for a new coach

679
00:34:37.280 --> 00:34:41.280
<v Speaker 1>a dozen years ago, people were lobbying like crazy for

680
00:34:41.440 --> 00:34:45.400
<v Speaker 1>how Mummy, Disciple somebody to be the next town Mummy.

681
00:34:45.880 --> 00:34:48.039
<v Speaker 1>So you know, as long as you win, that's what

682
00:34:48.079 --> 00:34:50.320
<v Speaker 1>it's all about. But that people want to be entertained too,

683
00:34:50.360 --> 00:34:50.880
<v Speaker 1>don't they.

684
00:34:51.760 --> 00:34:54.039
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I think so. And you know, it's just a

685
00:34:54.480 --> 00:34:56.559
<v Speaker 5>you know, I think people see, you know how teams

686
00:34:56.559 --> 00:34:59.119
<v Speaker 5>have been very successful with that system across the country

687
00:34:59.119 --> 00:35:01.519
<v Speaker 5>and other places. And you know, it was a fun

688
00:35:01.559 --> 00:35:03.480
<v Speaker 5>style of football to watch. I think it was very

689
00:35:03.519 --> 00:35:06.519
<v Speaker 5>popular obviously with our fan base here a Kentucky and

690
00:35:06.519 --> 00:35:08.440
<v Speaker 5>and people didn't want to see that come back, you know,

691
00:35:08.559 --> 00:35:10.559
<v Speaker 5>and coach Shuts did bring bring it back for a

692
00:35:10.559 --> 00:35:12.360
<v Speaker 5>little bit. He brought Neil Brown back here for a

693
00:35:12.360 --> 00:35:14.519
<v Speaker 5>couple of years, and see Neils went on to do

694
00:35:14.559 --> 00:35:16.960
<v Speaker 5>great things as a head coach at West Virginia, and

695
00:35:17.360 --> 00:35:21.039
<v Speaker 5>uh so it's you know, it's ah. It was a great, great,

696
00:35:21.079 --> 00:35:23.400
<v Speaker 5>great offense to play in, and it's very popular, like

697
00:35:23.400 --> 00:35:25.760
<v Speaker 5>I said, with the fans and obviously with cornerbacks and

698
00:35:25.800 --> 00:35:28.480
<v Speaker 5>receivers love it. And you know, it's just it's just

699
00:35:28.519 --> 00:35:30.079
<v Speaker 5>a lot of fun to play in that type of system.

700
00:35:30.119 --> 00:35:33.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I got to ask you, being a father, do

701
00:35:33.960 --> 00:35:38.639
<v Speaker 1>you have to queue up video to show your son

702
00:35:39.800 --> 00:35:43.440
<v Speaker 1>what you do? Because I remember Jamal Mashburn when he

703
00:35:43.480 --> 00:35:46.039
<v Speaker 1>wanted to the Kentucky Sports Hall of Fame. He said

704
00:35:46.039 --> 00:35:49.480
<v Speaker 1>his kids didn't really believe that he was a great

705
00:35:49.519 --> 00:35:51.920
<v Speaker 1>player at the NBA. He had to show them video.

706
00:35:52.000 --> 00:35:52.840
<v Speaker 1>Do you have to do that?

707
00:35:54.000 --> 00:35:55.960
<v Speaker 5>I've done it before. Yeah, yeah, when they when they

708
00:35:55.960 --> 00:35:58.119
<v Speaker 5>were smaller, I had to do that. And you know,

709
00:35:58.159 --> 00:36:00.119
<v Speaker 5>they used to love to watch those videos when they

710
00:36:00.440 --> 00:36:02.360
<v Speaker 5>when they were little. And you know, now I've got

711
00:36:02.360 --> 00:36:04.079
<v Speaker 5>a I've got a freshman in college and a freshman

712
00:36:04.119 --> 00:36:07.519
<v Speaker 5>in high school. My oldest son is he signed a

713
00:36:07.559 --> 00:36:10.719
<v Speaker 5>scholarship to play for Holy Cross up in Boston, so he's, uh,

714
00:36:10.840 --> 00:36:13.159
<v Speaker 5>he's playing defensive end up there. And then my youngest

715
00:36:13.159 --> 00:36:16.400
<v Speaker 5>son is a freshman at Lectern Christian Academy. So you know,

716
00:36:16.400 --> 00:36:19.880
<v Speaker 5>they're they're both good athletes and good students and you know,

717
00:36:19.960 --> 00:36:21.880
<v Speaker 5>certainly very proud of them defensive ends.

718
00:36:21.920 --> 00:36:23.719
<v Speaker 1>So you got to You've got to talk to him

719
00:36:23.760 --> 00:36:25.760
<v Speaker 1>about what it's like to go attack a quarterback.

720
00:36:27.360 --> 00:36:30.039
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I told him. You know, he was playing quarterback

721
00:36:30.079 --> 00:36:31.880
<v Speaker 5>up until like eighth grade and then he switched over

722
00:36:31.880 --> 00:36:34.119
<v Speaker 5>to the defensive end. And I was like, I can't

723
00:36:34.119 --> 00:36:36.280
<v Speaker 5>tell you anything about playing defensive end other than I

724
00:36:36.280 --> 00:36:38.159
<v Speaker 5>don't like those guys. That's that's all I know about.

725
00:36:41.039 --> 00:36:43.559
<v Speaker 1>He's going to relish the licks he puts on quarterbacks.

726
00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:47.360
<v Speaker 1>You mentioned broadcasting and you stepped away from that, and

727
00:36:47.400 --> 00:36:51.400
<v Speaker 1>you and your brother now very successful businessman, and uh,

728
00:36:51.599 --> 00:36:53.400
<v Speaker 1>a tip of the cap to your brother. I always

729
00:36:53.719 --> 00:36:55.840
<v Speaker 1>love what he did at EK. I keep reminding people

730
00:36:55.880 --> 00:36:59.639
<v Speaker 1>the Greg Couch was the last QB to lead e

731
00:36:59.800 --> 00:37:03.880
<v Speaker 1>K you to an undefeated OVC record and an OVC title.

732
00:37:04.000 --> 00:37:06.519
<v Speaker 1>So and it always will be now that they're out

733
00:37:06.519 --> 00:37:08.960
<v Speaker 1>of the league. But anyhow, you were on your way

734
00:37:09.000 --> 00:37:11.480
<v Speaker 1>to a pretty good broadcasting career when you stepped away.

735
00:37:12.199 --> 00:37:14.519
<v Speaker 1>Now Tom Brady, a guy you know, a little bit

736
00:37:15.320 --> 00:37:18.119
<v Speaker 1>has started and it kind of got lukewarm reviews. But

737
00:37:18.119 --> 00:37:21.599
<v Speaker 1>for crying out loud, he's a rookie. But if you

738
00:37:21.599 --> 00:37:25.000
<v Speaker 1>could give him some advice, you giving Tom Brady advice

739
00:37:25.079 --> 00:37:26.559
<v Speaker 1>on broadcasting, what would it be?

740
00:37:27.920 --> 00:37:29.800
<v Speaker 5>You know? I think the biggest thing that I had

741
00:37:29.840 --> 00:37:33.079
<v Speaker 5>to learn is, you know, you do have to prepare

742
00:37:33.760 --> 00:37:35.679
<v Speaker 5>like you're playing, you know, I mean it is so

743
00:37:35.800 --> 00:37:38.880
<v Speaker 5>much prep work as far as you know, watching film,

744
00:37:39.000 --> 00:37:42.440
<v Speaker 5>understanding schemes and systems and game plans, and talking to

745
00:37:42.480 --> 00:37:44.400
<v Speaker 5>coaches and players throughout the week to get a feel

746
00:37:44.440 --> 00:37:46.000
<v Speaker 5>from what they're going to try to do that week,

747
00:37:46.039 --> 00:37:48.960
<v Speaker 5>so you can go on TV and explain that. And

748
00:37:49.000 --> 00:37:51.119
<v Speaker 5>you know, for me, you know, I don't want to

749
00:37:51.119 --> 00:37:52.880
<v Speaker 5>say dumb it down, that's not the right word. But

750
00:37:53.239 --> 00:37:55.159
<v Speaker 5>I wanted to talk like I was talking to like

751
00:37:55.360 --> 00:37:57.599
<v Speaker 5>maybe like my mother at home, who, yeah, who knows

752
00:37:57.599 --> 00:38:00.440
<v Speaker 5>who watches football, but she doesn't understand like the you know,

753
00:38:00.559 --> 00:38:02.559
<v Speaker 5>really inside of x's and O. So you can get

754
00:38:02.599 --> 00:38:04.800
<v Speaker 5>on there and you know, obviously Tom could talk about

755
00:38:05.119 --> 00:38:07.280
<v Speaker 5>you know, the game as in depth as anyone who's

756
00:38:07.320 --> 00:38:09.159
<v Speaker 5>ever played it. But you know, you have to make

757
00:38:09.159 --> 00:38:11.360
<v Speaker 5>it simple for the people watching on TV so they

758
00:38:11.440 --> 00:38:13.480
<v Speaker 5>you know, you can say, oh, it's cover too, but

759
00:38:13.519 --> 00:38:15.360
<v Speaker 5>you know, no one, no one really knows what Cover

760
00:38:15.440 --> 00:38:17.440
<v Speaker 5>two is unless you you know, you've studied the game,

761
00:38:17.480 --> 00:38:19.920
<v Speaker 5>played the game, so so you make it you know,

762
00:38:19.960 --> 00:38:22.159
<v Speaker 5>you make it simple for the fans watching at home

763
00:38:22.199 --> 00:38:24.119
<v Speaker 5>so they can follow along with you and understand what

764
00:38:24.159 --> 00:38:26.400
<v Speaker 5>you're talking about. But you know, Tom, you know he's

765
00:38:26.440 --> 00:38:28.039
<v Speaker 5>going to be great in whatever he does. You know,

766
00:38:28.119 --> 00:38:30.679
<v Speaker 5>it's it's very difficult to walk in that booth and

767
00:38:31.039 --> 00:38:32.880
<v Speaker 5>call a game that if you've never done it before.

768
00:38:32.960 --> 00:38:34.920
<v Speaker 5>He's just going to get better and better with with

769
00:38:34.920 --> 00:38:36.159
<v Speaker 5>with rests in each game he does.

770
00:38:36.280 --> 00:38:39.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they keep comparing comparing him to Greg Olsen, who

771
00:38:39.119 --> 00:38:41.480
<v Speaker 1>was not great when he started. None of us was

772
00:38:42.039 --> 00:38:42.639
<v Speaker 1>not that I know.

773
00:38:43.039 --> 00:38:43.159
<v Speaker 5>No.

774
00:38:43.360 --> 00:38:45.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, before I let you go, I got to ask you.

775
00:38:45.800 --> 00:38:48.599
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure your heart went out to what your Wildcats

776
00:38:48.639 --> 00:38:50.519
<v Speaker 1>and a rock Vandergriff. He had a rough day at

777
00:38:50.519 --> 00:38:53.599
<v Speaker 1>the office against South Carolina. But that's life in sec

778
00:38:53.840 --> 00:38:54.239
<v Speaker 1>isn't it.

779
00:38:55.159 --> 00:38:57.400
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, that's the way it goes, you know, I mean this, Uh,

780
00:38:57.440 --> 00:39:00.320
<v Speaker 5>in this league, anyone can embarrass you quickly if you're

781
00:39:00.320 --> 00:39:02.800
<v Speaker 5>not not on top of your game. And obviously we

782
00:39:02.840 --> 00:39:04.320
<v Speaker 5>didn't play well. You know, I'm not going to make

783
00:39:04.360 --> 00:39:07.280
<v Speaker 5>any excuses. We didn't play well up front, quarterback didn't

784
00:39:07.280 --> 00:39:09.960
<v Speaker 5>really have many opportunities to play well. And you know

785
00:39:10.000 --> 00:39:12.239
<v Speaker 5>we just in South Carolina played great. Give them credit.

786
00:39:12.280 --> 00:39:14.920
<v Speaker 5>That's a good defense they got after us. And you know,

787
00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:17.559
<v Speaker 5>things can go go go south on you pretty quickly

788
00:39:17.559 --> 00:39:19.719
<v Speaker 5>in this league if you're not playing well. And you know,

789
00:39:20.000 --> 00:39:21.880
<v Speaker 5>I think we'll bounce back. I think we've got a

790
00:39:21.960 --> 00:39:25.559
<v Speaker 5>very talented football team. I love our coaching staff. Obviously,

791
00:39:25.639 --> 00:39:27.239
<v Speaker 5>you know coach Tups is the winning his coach we've

792
00:39:27.239 --> 00:39:29.519
<v Speaker 5>ever had here, So I have all the faith in

793
00:39:29.559 --> 00:39:31.480
<v Speaker 5>the world that he's going to get this, get these

794
00:39:31.480 --> 00:39:34.159
<v Speaker 5>guys to rally rallied up, and get them going back

795
00:39:34.159 --> 00:39:35.840
<v Speaker 5>in the right direction. And obviously we've got a tough

796
00:39:35.840 --> 00:39:38.679
<v Speaker 5>one this week with Georgia. But you know, it doesn't

797
00:39:38.679 --> 00:39:40.079
<v Speaker 5>get any it done get easier, you know, I think

798
00:39:40.119 --> 00:39:42.400
<v Speaker 5>I saw we played five of the top seven teams

799
00:39:42.400 --> 00:39:44.360
<v Speaker 5>in the country coming up over the next several weeks.

800
00:39:44.360 --> 00:39:47.440
<v Speaker 5>So those schedules just brutal. But you know, we've got

801
00:39:47.480 --> 00:39:49.199
<v Speaker 5>the guys that can go turn it around, and you know,

802
00:39:49.199 --> 00:39:50.519
<v Speaker 5>I'm still confident in those guys.

803
00:39:50.559 --> 00:39:53.480
<v Speaker 1>People knocking the offense, of course, that's what fans do,

804
00:39:53.559 --> 00:39:56.119
<v Speaker 1>but it's too soon that I have no idea what

805
00:39:56.280 --> 00:39:58.280
<v Speaker 1>to make it this offense yet. And I'm sure you

806
00:39:58.280 --> 00:40:00.559
<v Speaker 1>know more about this stuff than I do. But uh,

807
00:40:00.679 --> 00:40:02.800
<v Speaker 1>it's it's going to be tough after this week, isn't it.

808
00:40:03.920 --> 00:40:05.920
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, you know you said it didn't get any easier,

809
00:40:05.960 --> 00:40:08.760
<v Speaker 5>you know, with with Georgia and that defense coming into town,

810
00:40:08.880 --> 00:40:11.000
<v Speaker 5>so you know, it is it is kind of hard

811
00:40:11.039 --> 00:40:13.719
<v Speaker 5>to see what we have yet offensively, you know, because

812
00:40:14.159 --> 00:40:15.760
<v Speaker 5>you know we got to you know a little over

813
00:40:15.800 --> 00:40:17.719
<v Speaker 5>half a game in week one with the weather and

814
00:40:17.760 --> 00:40:19.960
<v Speaker 5>then you know, so didn't play well at all, you know,

815
00:40:20.000 --> 00:40:22.800
<v Speaker 5>only thirty yards passing or so in week two. So

816
00:40:23.239 --> 00:40:25.320
<v Speaker 5>you know, these guys, you know, just have to get

817
00:40:25.320 --> 00:40:27.119
<v Speaker 5>it gone, get it to you know, get everyone on

818
00:40:27.159 --> 00:40:29.920
<v Speaker 5>the same page and executing a game plan. And you know,

819
00:40:29.960 --> 00:40:32.039
<v Speaker 5>and it takes everyone. You know, it takes the you know,

820
00:40:32.079 --> 00:40:35.400
<v Speaker 5>the offensive line given protection and Brock making quick decisions receivers,

821
00:40:35.599 --> 00:40:37.519
<v Speaker 5>you know, getting that out of brace catching football is

822
00:40:37.519 --> 00:40:39.880
<v Speaker 5>getting separation from the defenders. And you know, it takes

823
00:40:40.199 --> 00:40:41.840
<v Speaker 5>all eleven guys on that side of the ball to

824
00:40:41.840 --> 00:40:43.719
<v Speaker 5>make it, make it work and make it look good. So,

825
00:40:44.000 --> 00:40:45.519
<v Speaker 5>you know, hopeing they can bounce back a little this

826
00:40:45.559 --> 00:40:47.679
<v Speaker 5>week and get a little momentum build on that.

827
00:40:48.199 --> 00:40:51.159
<v Speaker 1>Tim Cash will be honored this weekend for his induction

828
00:40:51.280 --> 00:40:53.760
<v Speaker 1>into the College Football Hall of Fame ceremonies actually in

829
00:40:53.840 --> 00:40:56.639
<v Speaker 1>December in Las Vegas. Uh, you got some time to

830
00:40:56.679 --> 00:40:58.599
<v Speaker 1>put a nice speech together. I know you're probably in

831
00:40:58.599 --> 00:41:01.000
<v Speaker 1>your mind already thinking about that. I know your dad

832
00:41:01.039 --> 00:41:03.440
<v Speaker 1>would be so proud of you. He is looking down

833
00:41:03.440 --> 00:41:05.480
<v Speaker 1>on you right now. But I do appreciate the time

834
00:41:05.559 --> 00:41:07.400
<v Speaker 1>and looking forward to seeing you Saturday.

835
00:41:07.760 --> 00:41:09.599
<v Speaker 5>I appreciate that. Thanks so much for having me on

836
00:41:09.639 --> 00:41:09.880
<v Speaker 5>the show.

837
00:41:09.960 --> 00:41:12.079
<v Speaker 1>Jeff of Coral is up next in hour number two

838
00:41:12.119 --> 00:41:45.800
<v Speaker 1>here on the Big Boone Sider six thirty wlap. Welcome back.

839
00:41:45.840 --> 00:41:47.840
<v Speaker 1>We did not get a chance to hear from Jeff,

840
00:41:47.840 --> 00:41:50.559
<v Speaker 1>picaorl last night except for the closing minutes of the

841
00:41:50.599 --> 00:41:53.760
<v Speaker 1>state wide show. He ducked us, ladies and gentlemen. But

842
00:41:53.840 --> 00:41:57.400
<v Speaker 1>you can run, you cannot hide a champion. Welcome back

843
00:41:57.400 --> 00:42:00.440
<v Speaker 1>to the Big Boone Sider. He playing god to come

844
00:42:00.480 --> 00:42:03.719
<v Speaker 1>on laught night. Yeah, just at a senior moment, but

845
00:42:04.840 --> 00:42:08.159
<v Speaker 1>we will obviously toss and turn this game in our

846
00:42:08.199 --> 00:42:10.519
<v Speaker 1>minds up until Saturday. But you also got a Jeff,

847
00:42:10.880 --> 00:42:12.639
<v Speaker 1>as much as you can put it out of your mind,

848
00:42:12.679 --> 00:42:15.760
<v Speaker 1>get ready for Georgia. But if you're a Kentucky player,

849
00:42:15.880 --> 00:42:20.920
<v Speaker 1>I got to wonder, is their confidence shaken after that game,

850
00:42:21.039 --> 00:42:23.800
<v Speaker 1>especially with the huge task coming up.

851
00:42:24.679 --> 00:42:27.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think you're You're confidence is shattered because I

852
00:42:27.320 --> 00:42:30.400
<v Speaker 2>think you probably went into that game a little bit

853
00:42:30.639 --> 00:42:36.199
<v Speaker 2>of we're a double digit favorite where Kentucky were playing

854
00:42:36.239 --> 00:42:39.079
<v Speaker 2>at home. You know, that kind of attitude, and they

855
00:42:39.079 --> 00:42:41.599
<v Speaker 2>got to hand it to him. Look, it doesn't matter

856
00:42:42.679 --> 00:42:45.960
<v Speaker 2>if you're Vanderbilt or you're Georgia, you have got to

857
00:42:46.039 --> 00:42:49.920
<v Speaker 2>strap it on every single week. Now. I know coach

858
00:42:49.960 --> 00:42:53.519
<v Speaker 2>said yesterday that he watched the tape and uh, you

859
00:42:53.559 --> 00:42:56.119
<v Speaker 2>know he he he said, the one thing they played

860
00:42:56.320 --> 00:43:01.079
<v Speaker 2>they played hard, they just didn't play smart. Well, to me,

861
00:43:01.199 --> 00:43:03.519
<v Speaker 2>that was the worst game of his entire tenure. Here,

862
00:43:04.400 --> 00:43:08.320
<v Speaker 2>I don't I can't think of another game other than

863
00:43:08.360 --> 00:43:10.880
<v Speaker 2>maybe the Tennessee game when you know, a couple of

864
00:43:10.920 --> 00:43:13.519
<v Speaker 2>years ago when they had Josh and Denny Snow when

865
00:43:13.559 --> 00:43:14.400
<v Speaker 2>they just laid.

866
00:43:14.159 --> 00:43:16.679
<v Speaker 1>An egg a couple of years ago.

867
00:43:18.119 --> 00:43:20.920
<v Speaker 2>Probably, I mean it's but I mean, I mean, at

868
00:43:21.000 --> 00:43:22.960
<v Speaker 2>least at Vandy they moved the ball of but they

869
00:43:23.079 --> 00:43:26.119
<v Speaker 2>just had you know, stupid penalties and they had the

870
00:43:26.320 --> 00:43:29.800
<v Speaker 2>dumb plays. Here, they couldn't do anything. I mean here,

871
00:43:29.880 --> 00:43:33.599
<v Speaker 2>starting quarterback three for ten. His quarterback rating for the

872
00:43:33.639 --> 00:43:37.599
<v Speaker 2>game was I've never even seen this one point two. Yeah,

873
00:43:37.679 --> 00:43:38.800
<v Speaker 2>that's unbelievable.

874
00:43:39.639 --> 00:43:43.079
<v Speaker 1>You had PFF grading the old lineman Marcus Cox had

875
00:43:43.119 --> 00:43:44.400
<v Speaker 1>a five out of one hundred.

876
00:43:44.679 --> 00:43:44.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

877
00:43:45.119 --> 00:43:49.559
<v Speaker 1>Uh. And obviously South Carolina's got tremendous edge rushers. And

878
00:43:49.599 --> 00:43:52.239
<v Speaker 1>every time we do keys of the game, one of

879
00:43:52.239 --> 00:43:54.480
<v Speaker 1>the first words out of your mouth. Is edge set

880
00:43:54.519 --> 00:43:55.119
<v Speaker 1>the edge?

881
00:43:55.559 --> 00:43:55.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

882
00:43:55.840 --> 00:43:57.360
<v Speaker 1>They never came close to that, did they.

883
00:43:57.880 --> 00:44:00.440
<v Speaker 2>But no, But here's the problem, Dick. You don't think

884
00:44:00.440 --> 00:44:04.320
<v Speaker 2>George's got great they're all five stars. Yeah, you don't

885
00:44:04.320 --> 00:44:07.119
<v Speaker 2>think that. You know, all these teams in the league.

886
00:44:07.440 --> 00:44:12.679
<v Speaker 2>Kentucky's got great edge rushers, you know. So it's every week.

887
00:44:13.000 --> 00:44:15.360
<v Speaker 2>So you've got to figure now. To me, the biggest

888
00:44:15.360 --> 00:44:17.480
<v Speaker 2>problem is this because you tried a bunch of different

889
00:44:17.519 --> 00:44:19.920
<v Speaker 2>things and then you know, basically for the last ten

890
00:44:19.920 --> 00:44:24.039
<v Speaker 2>minutes of the game, Gavin was in their quarterback. You've

891
00:44:24.119 --> 00:44:26.800
<v Speaker 2>got to figure out what you can do to move

892
00:44:26.840 --> 00:44:27.440
<v Speaker 2>the football?

893
00:44:27.920 --> 00:44:28.639
<v Speaker 5>Uh? You know?

894
00:44:28.679 --> 00:44:30.679
<v Speaker 2>And and again I made this analogy with you the

895
00:44:30.719 --> 00:44:32.639
<v Speaker 2>other night, and Tom and I were talking about this

896
00:44:32.719 --> 00:44:33.360
<v Speaker 2>the other day.

897
00:44:33.480 --> 00:44:35.000
<v Speaker 5>Is you know, when you're a.

898
00:44:34.960 --> 00:44:37.840
<v Speaker 2>Baseball pitcher and you're getting rocked all over the way,

899
00:44:37.880 --> 00:44:39.880
<v Speaker 2>she go, Okay, what can I gow to get a strike?

900
00:44:40.039 --> 00:44:42.320
<v Speaker 2>Is it my change up? Is it a fastball? Is

901
00:44:42.360 --> 00:44:45.679
<v Speaker 2>it a sliders? What can I do to just get

902
00:44:45.719 --> 00:44:49.079
<v Speaker 2>out of this with minimal you know, minimal damage. Well,

903
00:44:49.079 --> 00:44:50.920
<v Speaker 2>that's what you have to figure out. What can we

904
00:44:50.960 --> 00:44:52.199
<v Speaker 2>do to move the football?

905
00:44:52.599 --> 00:44:53.280
<v Speaker 7>Is it?

906
00:44:53.360 --> 00:44:55.639
<v Speaker 2>Is it a short passing game? They threw one screen

907
00:44:55.679 --> 00:44:57.679
<v Speaker 2>in the game, and you know that I can remember,

908
00:44:58.400 --> 00:45:00.199
<v Speaker 2>and I kind of went through the plays and at

909
00:45:00.199 --> 00:45:02.440
<v Speaker 2>one screen. They didn't do that because they're not a

910
00:45:02.480 --> 00:45:05.159
<v Speaker 2>screen team. You know, they are teams that love screens.

911
00:45:05.159 --> 00:45:08.320
<v Speaker 2>They are teams that don't. Kentucky does it for whatever reason.

912
00:45:09.679 --> 00:45:09.920
<v Speaker 7>You know.

913
00:45:10.239 --> 00:45:13.599
<v Speaker 2>Then if you watched Aaron, your guy, Aaron Rodgers on

914
00:45:13.639 --> 00:45:16.400
<v Speaker 2>Monday Night football is a great example. Samansus has had

915
00:45:16.440 --> 00:45:17.840
<v Speaker 2>an unbelievable pass rush.

916
00:45:17.840 --> 00:45:18.400
<v Speaker 5>So what do you do?

917
00:45:18.639 --> 00:45:20.639
<v Speaker 2>He went to a short passing game, you know, just

918
00:45:20.679 --> 00:45:24.079
<v Speaker 2>to quick outs, quick in things like that. What do

919
00:45:24.199 --> 00:45:27.880
<v Speaker 2>you do to move the football? That's what they first

920
00:45:27.880 --> 00:45:28.639
<v Speaker 2>have to figure out.

921
00:45:28.679 --> 00:45:30.920
<v Speaker 1>Well, for a while there they ran between the tackles

922
00:45:31.400 --> 00:45:35.400
<v Speaker 1>and yeah, you guys upstairs were marveling at how effective

923
00:45:35.440 --> 00:45:38.159
<v Speaker 1>it was late first half, trying to win the last

924
00:45:38.199 --> 00:45:42.440
<v Speaker 1>four minutes, which I thought they did by controlling the ball.

925
00:45:42.880 --> 00:45:45.280
<v Speaker 1>And I have to admit, Jeff, I was very skeptical

926
00:45:45.320 --> 00:45:49.880
<v Speaker 1>about Demi Simo Karnbay and his ability to play power over.

927
00:45:49.920 --> 00:45:52.519
<v Speaker 1>But he did it running between the tackles because look,

928
00:45:52.639 --> 00:45:55.079
<v Speaker 1>with all his speed, he still couldn't get to the

929
00:45:55.199 --> 00:45:58.280
<v Speaker 1>edge against South Carolina. Correct, But they did something else

930
00:45:58.320 --> 00:46:00.920
<v Speaker 1>and they moved the football. Now it's stall. They settled

931
00:46:01.119 --> 00:46:06.039
<v Speaker 1>for a field goal, but I guess circumstances dictated they

932
00:46:06.079 --> 00:46:08.079
<v Speaker 1>just never quite went back to that or or did

933
00:46:08.119 --> 00:46:10.159
<v Speaker 1>South Carolina do something to take that away.

934
00:46:11.079 --> 00:46:11.119
<v Speaker 3>No.

935
00:46:11.280 --> 00:46:13.320
<v Speaker 2>I just think that as you start to fall farther

936
00:46:13.400 --> 00:46:16.719
<v Speaker 2>and further behind, you've got to, you know, you've got

937
00:46:16.719 --> 00:46:20.159
<v Speaker 2>to try to get the ball down the field somehow,

938
00:46:21.199 --> 00:46:23.239
<v Speaker 2>you know, because that you know the drives are taking

939
00:46:23.320 --> 00:46:25.400
<v Speaker 2>six seven minutes. When you just sit there and hand

940
00:46:25.440 --> 00:46:30.519
<v Speaker 2>the ball off feel straight ahead, you're already behind. I thought,

941
00:46:30.559 --> 00:46:33.000
<v Speaker 2>you know what, you're probably going to lose this game.

942
00:46:33.039 --> 00:46:35.199
<v Speaker 2>At that point it was twenty one to six or

943
00:46:35.199 --> 00:46:38.039
<v Speaker 2>whatever it was. And to me, it's just like, let's

944
00:46:38.079 --> 00:46:41.039
<v Speaker 2>get something out of this game. You ran to Jets

945
00:46:41.440 --> 00:46:44.519
<v Speaker 2>sweep what three, four or five times? It didn't work once,

946
00:46:44.920 --> 00:46:48.199
<v Speaker 2>you know, not one time. To me, when you've got

947
00:46:48.280 --> 00:46:55.159
<v Speaker 2>a fast athletic player at any position, the way to

948
00:46:55.159 --> 00:46:58.880
<v Speaker 2>negate his speed, his quickness is what run right at

949
00:46:58.920 --> 00:47:02.079
<v Speaker 2>it right because now if he chooses the side, if

950
00:47:02.079 --> 00:47:05.000
<v Speaker 2>he steps to the outside, then the blocker just gets

951
00:47:05.039 --> 00:47:07.440
<v Speaker 2>in the way and the running back runs inside. If

952
00:47:07.440 --> 00:47:10.800
<v Speaker 2>he tries to rush towards the inside. You just get

953
00:47:10.800 --> 00:47:13.920
<v Speaker 2>on his outside shoulder. The running back sees that he

954
00:47:14.159 --> 00:47:17.159
<v Speaker 2>you know, he goes to the outside, or if he

955
00:47:17.239 --> 00:47:20.440
<v Speaker 2>tries to bullet rush you, and you are obviously much

956
00:47:20.440 --> 00:47:23.880
<v Speaker 2>bigger and much stronger, can just bull him out of

957
00:47:23.880 --> 00:47:24.199
<v Speaker 2>the way.

958
00:47:25.639 --> 00:47:28.679
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it all starts, of course, with the guys

959
00:47:28.760 --> 00:47:31.920
<v Speaker 1>up front. And we just mentioned the O line some

960
00:47:31.960 --> 00:47:37.920
<v Speaker 1>of the grades. College Football Report as Kentucky a top

961
00:47:38.039 --> 00:47:40.800
<v Speaker 1>one of its lists of worst offenses for the weekend.

962
00:47:40.840 --> 00:47:41.360
<v Speaker 5>We know that.

963
00:47:41.960 --> 00:47:44.079
<v Speaker 1>But I was talking to Tim Koutch on the show earlier,

964
00:47:44.559 --> 00:47:47.199
<v Speaker 1>I don't know enough about this offense to say people

965
00:47:47.239 --> 00:47:49.639
<v Speaker 1>are already complaining about the OC, which they do. I

966
00:47:49.719 --> 00:47:52.599
<v Speaker 1>get that. Sure, I don't know enough. We haven't seen

967
00:47:52.719 --> 00:47:53.800
<v Speaker 1>enough yet of this offense.

968
00:47:54.159 --> 00:47:54.320
<v Speaker 4>Right.

969
00:47:55.159 --> 00:47:57.559
<v Speaker 2>No, remember you only get two quarters in the first game.

970
00:47:57.639 --> 00:48:01.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah that that doesn't really hurt because you lost guys

971
00:48:01.920 --> 00:48:04.480
<v Speaker 2>starting to get tired and having to play through you

972
00:48:04.519 --> 00:48:08.880
<v Speaker 2>know that. And then you jump right into the second

973
00:48:08.880 --> 00:48:10.760
<v Speaker 2>game and you're all excited and stuff, and then you

974
00:48:10.800 --> 00:48:13.559
<v Speaker 2>get you know, punched in the mouth and now you're

975
00:48:13.840 --> 00:48:16.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, now you're going up against Mike Tyson basically,

976
00:48:16.360 --> 00:48:19.239
<v Speaker 2>and so you know, what do you do to defend yourself.

977
00:48:19.280 --> 00:48:21.840
<v Speaker 2>What can they do? I think, yes, the jury is

978
00:48:21.840 --> 00:48:24.760
<v Speaker 2>still out. Look, this is an offense. It's worked, it's

979
00:48:24.800 --> 00:48:29.039
<v Speaker 2>a proven offense. It's worked all over the country. It

980
00:48:29.119 --> 00:48:33.719
<v Speaker 2>can work here. But again, they just have to It's

981
00:48:33.760 --> 00:48:37.559
<v Speaker 2>all credicated on running the football, so that that's that's

982
00:48:37.559 --> 00:48:40.159
<v Speaker 2>the key. And this team just simply couldn't move the

983
00:48:40.239 --> 00:48:44.480
<v Speaker 2>ball at all until they did that one series when

984
00:48:44.519 --> 00:48:46.000
<v Speaker 2>they when they ran it up the gut. And I

985
00:48:46.039 --> 00:48:47.920
<v Speaker 2>just think you got to get back to that because

986
00:48:47.960 --> 00:48:50.360
<v Speaker 2>the deep passing game against that team just didn't work.

987
00:48:50.400 --> 00:48:53.400
<v Speaker 2>He just didn't have time and I don't think he'll

988
00:48:53.400 --> 00:48:54.800
<v Speaker 2>probably have time this week either.

989
00:48:55.039 --> 00:48:57.880
<v Speaker 1>What did you think of the comments that Stoops made

990
00:48:58.440 --> 00:49:00.880
<v Speaker 1>at his news conference yesterday? What they were quite telling.

991
00:49:01.039 --> 00:49:04.639
<v Speaker 1>He was very blunt about our PO situations. You know,

992
00:49:04.719 --> 00:49:07.039
<v Speaker 1>he was saying, look, hand it off or pass it.

993
00:49:08.079 --> 00:49:12.159
<v Speaker 1>I guess he was saying this, this this particular offensive

994
00:49:12.159 --> 00:49:14.360
<v Speaker 1>group isn't built for our PO. I don't know what

995
00:49:14.360 --> 00:49:15.000
<v Speaker 1>did you make of that?

996
00:49:16.280 --> 00:49:19.320
<v Speaker 2>You know, that's interesting because I've never played in that

997
00:49:19.400 --> 00:49:22.199
<v Speaker 2>style before, so I don't know. You know, I do

998
00:49:22.400 --> 00:49:26.119
<v Speaker 2>know as an option quarterback in high school and then

999
00:49:26.159 --> 00:49:29.960
<v Speaker 2>when we got to Kentucky with Perry Moss. We ran,

1000
00:49:30.280 --> 00:49:34.199
<v Speaker 2>you know, a version of the option called the veer,

1001
00:49:36.000 --> 00:49:38.280
<v Speaker 2>and you have to make a decision. I think that's

1002
00:49:38.280 --> 00:49:41.239
<v Speaker 2>what Mark was saying is a decision has to be

1003
00:49:41.280 --> 00:49:46.159
<v Speaker 2>made almost immediately. You can't dwaddle with it because if

1004
00:49:46.199 --> 00:49:50.480
<v Speaker 2>you do that gives them time. Look, you have keys,

1005
00:49:51.440 --> 00:49:53.880
<v Speaker 2>you know you hear this all the time. You're running

1006
00:49:53.920 --> 00:49:57.599
<v Speaker 2>an option. My keys at defensive end, he's unblocked. If

1007
00:49:57.639 --> 00:49:59.840
<v Speaker 2>he comes down, you pitch it. If he stays out,

1008
00:50:00.159 --> 00:50:03.079
<v Speaker 2>run it. Okay. The same with the RPO. You have

1009
00:50:03.159 --> 00:50:05.679
<v Speaker 2>a key. If that guy comes up, you throw it.

1010
00:50:05.800 --> 00:50:08.280
<v Speaker 2>If that guy stays back, you run it. But you

1011
00:50:08.320 --> 00:50:09.039
<v Speaker 2>can't dawdle.

1012
00:50:09.280 --> 00:50:09.719
<v Speaker 5>You can't.

1013
00:50:09.760 --> 00:50:11.800
<v Speaker 2>You've got to go. It's almost say. You always hear

1014
00:50:11.840 --> 00:50:14.519
<v Speaker 2>a say guy's running east and west. Can't run east

1015
00:50:14.559 --> 00:50:16.519
<v Speaker 2>and west on kickoff. Can't do that, I'll pot You

1016
00:50:16.559 --> 00:50:18.519
<v Speaker 2>got to run north south, you know. And that's the

1017
00:50:18.519 --> 00:50:21.000
<v Speaker 2>same way with this. It's a read, but it's a

1018
00:50:21.119 --> 00:50:23.800
<v Speaker 2>quick breath. And again we're talking about a guy who

1019
00:50:23.880 --> 00:50:26.960
<v Speaker 2>hasn't played really in a football game in over three years,

1020
00:50:27.440 --> 00:50:31.480
<v Speaker 2>and now he's he's got now what four or five

1021
00:50:31.559 --> 00:50:34.159
<v Speaker 2>quarters under his belt, and I'm gonna give him a

1022
00:50:34.199 --> 00:50:34.920
<v Speaker 2>little more slack.

1023
00:50:35.079 --> 00:50:37.360
<v Speaker 1>I don't recall them doing that much. Maybe they do

1024
00:50:37.800 --> 00:50:41.840
<v Speaker 1>at Georgia, so you know, whatever skills he developed down there, right,

1025
00:50:41.960 --> 00:50:45.480
<v Speaker 1>and whatever reps he got at practice, maybe they did.

1026
00:50:45.519 --> 00:50:48.440
<v Speaker 1>Maybe they didn't include the RPO, but I don't know

1027
00:50:48.480 --> 00:50:51.519
<v Speaker 1>what anything where you've got to hesitate at all against

1028
00:50:51.639 --> 00:50:55.159
<v Speaker 1>those edge guys from South Carolina. That's a recipe for disaster,

1029
00:50:55.280 --> 00:50:55.639
<v Speaker 1>isn't it.

1030
00:50:56.599 --> 00:50:59.559
<v Speaker 2>Well, I yes, and it's a recipe for disaster. And

1031
00:50:59.639 --> 00:51:02.320
<v Speaker 2>most of the SEC team is because the one thing

1032
00:51:02.360 --> 00:51:05.079
<v Speaker 2>the SEC is built upon, and this is what And

1033
00:51:05.159 --> 00:51:07.519
<v Speaker 2>I always go back to the story with Tom Brenneman

1034
00:51:07.559 --> 00:51:10.599
<v Speaker 2>when he was doing the National Championship Game, Florida was

1035
00:51:10.639 --> 00:51:14.119
<v Speaker 2>getting ready to play Ohio State and he said, yeah, yeah,

1036
00:51:14.199 --> 00:51:16.519
<v Speaker 2>they've got kicks offensive, Lindman, they're going to be in

1037
00:51:16.519 --> 00:51:19.119
<v Speaker 2>the NFL next year. You know, they've got you know,

1038
00:51:19.280 --> 00:51:23.239
<v Speaker 2>great running backs, like they're a machine. And I said, Tom,

1039
00:51:23.280 --> 00:51:26.159
<v Speaker 2>they've never seen the SEC before. Remember the SEC had

1040
00:51:26.280 --> 00:51:28.920
<v Speaker 2>to Florida had two defensive ends too, were happened to

1041
00:51:28.920 --> 00:51:31.239
<v Speaker 2>be first round draft picks that year, and they just

1042
00:51:31.760 --> 00:51:35.800
<v Speaker 2>they just their speed just killed Ohio State and Florida

1043
00:51:35.800 --> 00:51:39.280
<v Speaker 2>won the National championship, and that's what the SEC has

1044
00:51:39.320 --> 00:51:41.119
<v Speaker 2>to speed and every team has it.

1045
00:51:41.960 --> 00:51:44.480
<v Speaker 1>Jeff of Coral is the color analyst for ARE the

1046
00:51:44.559 --> 00:51:48.280
<v Speaker 1>Kentucky Sports Network and we will also the sports director

1047
00:51:48.400 --> 00:51:50.360
<v Speaker 1>w TTV. Can you come back and talk more football

1048
00:51:50.360 --> 00:51:52.559
<v Speaker 1>with Jeff in just a minute hearing a big Moonsider

1049
00:51:52.599 --> 00:51:57.039
<v Speaker 1>six thirty wlap Welcome back on our celebrity highline. Jeffiicorrel's

1050
00:51:57.360 --> 00:51:59.719
<v Speaker 1>color analyst on the UK Sports Network and you also

1051
00:51:59.800 --> 00:52:02.880
<v Speaker 1>hear him and Tom Leach and yours truly where a

1052
00:52:02.920 --> 00:52:05.639
<v Speaker 1>Wildcat whip every Thursday as we go a little bit

1053
00:52:05.679 --> 00:52:09.519
<v Speaker 1>deeper to prepare Wildcat fans for the upcoming game. It's

1054
00:52:09.519 --> 00:52:12.639
<v Speaker 1>those Georgia Bulldogs, of course, coming in this week. And Jeff,

1055
00:52:12.679 --> 00:52:14.760
<v Speaker 1>you and I have covered this program for a long time.

1056
00:52:14.800 --> 00:52:17.920
<v Speaker 1>You played against Georgia, played against the good Georgia teams,

1057
00:52:18.360 --> 00:52:20.800
<v Speaker 1>but it's that program has never been as good, even

1058
00:52:20.840 --> 00:52:25.559
<v Speaker 1>the herschel Walker years as it is now. How and

1059
00:52:25.840 --> 00:52:30.679
<v Speaker 1>it's even tougher now because everybody's pouring millions into their programs,

1060
00:52:30.840 --> 00:52:35.360
<v Speaker 1>their facilities, their coaching staffs. Why has Georgia risen above

1061
00:52:35.360 --> 00:52:38.719
<v Speaker 1>the rest at least among you know, three or four schools.

1062
00:52:39.519 --> 00:52:42.960
<v Speaker 2>Kirby's just done a fantastic job. A great coach.

1063
00:52:43.480 --> 00:52:43.599
<v Speaker 5>Uh.

1064
00:52:43.840 --> 00:52:46.719
<v Speaker 2>You know, he has a great lineage behind him who

1065
00:52:46.960 --> 00:52:49.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, the coaches he's learned from in the past.

1066
00:52:50.480 --> 00:52:52.679
<v Speaker 2>And then once you start rolling, you know, once that

1067
00:52:52.800 --> 00:52:57.119
<v Speaker 2>ball starts rolling, it rolls. Man, it's downhill. I mean Alabama, look,

1068
00:52:57.239 --> 00:53:00.840
<v Speaker 2>Nick's gone. They're still recruiting five star players. But for

1069
00:53:00.960 --> 00:53:04.079
<v Speaker 2>whatever reason, Georgia, I thought they had a really nice

1070
00:53:04.119 --> 00:53:06.320
<v Speaker 2>single with Mark Rick, and he was a really good

1071
00:53:06.360 --> 00:53:09.639
<v Speaker 2>guy too, and a good coach. But boy, Kirby Smart

1072
00:53:09.719 --> 00:53:11.599
<v Speaker 2>is just taken it to the next level and they

1073
00:53:11.639 --> 00:53:15.079
<v Speaker 2>have become the team not just in the Southeastern Conference

1074
00:53:15.079 --> 00:53:15.760
<v Speaker 2>but in the country.

1075
00:53:16.239 --> 00:53:16.360
<v Speaker 7>Uh.

1076
00:53:16.679 --> 00:53:19.320
<v Speaker 2>I mean, Ohio State's got a machine there, Michigan's got

1077
00:53:19.320 --> 00:53:21.920
<v Speaker 2>a machine, but it ain't anything like what Georgia had.

1078
00:53:22.639 --> 00:53:26.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you're right about Rick, good Man, good coach, a

1079
00:53:26.239 --> 00:53:30.320
<v Speaker 1>great recruiter. They got so much talent at Georgia, but

1080
00:53:30.639 --> 00:53:32.679
<v Speaker 1>just couldn't quite close the deal.

1081
00:53:32.480 --> 00:53:35.519
<v Speaker 2>Could he, now, you know, And that's that's too bad.

1082
00:53:35.559 --> 00:53:38.000
<v Speaker 2>Like I said, he was a really just a good person,

1083
00:53:38.079 --> 00:53:41.119
<v Speaker 2>a good football coach, but you know, there was just

1084
00:53:41.159 --> 00:53:44.239
<v Speaker 2>something there that he just couldn't get past that Alabama,

1085
00:53:44.320 --> 00:53:48.039
<v Speaker 2>you know when he was there, and and even Florida

1086
00:53:48.079 --> 00:53:50.239
<v Speaker 2>for a couple of years had had a good thing going.

1087
00:53:50.280 --> 00:53:53.480
<v Speaker 2>But again you have to look at you know who

1088
00:53:53.559 --> 00:53:57.480
<v Speaker 2>they who these teams take as the next coach. Can

1089
00:53:57.519 --> 00:54:00.360
<v Speaker 2>they continue that line you know that that they made

1090
00:54:00.840 --> 00:54:03.400
<v Speaker 2>and Kirby did, and like I said, and he even

1091
00:54:03.440 --> 00:54:05.519
<v Speaker 2>took it up another not. It's gonna be interesting to

1092
00:54:05.519 --> 00:54:07.840
<v Speaker 2>see how Caitlin de Boor does in the next year

1093
00:54:07.920 --> 00:54:09.559
<v Speaker 2>or two. It looks like he's done a great job.

1094
00:54:09.599 --> 00:54:12.360
<v Speaker 2>He's still getting the five star recruits and they look

1095
00:54:12.440 --> 00:54:14.960
<v Speaker 2>pretty good, you know, the two Saturdays we've seen them.

1096
00:54:15.679 --> 00:54:17.719
<v Speaker 1>What do you think as a media member of the

1097
00:54:17.800 --> 00:54:20.679
<v Speaker 1>backlash now, it's it's about as acute as it's ever

1098
00:54:20.760 --> 00:54:24.639
<v Speaker 1>been with Stoops because this is probably the most difficult

1099
00:54:24.719 --> 00:54:28.440
<v Speaker 1>situation since his first couple of years, and expectations are

1100
00:54:28.480 --> 00:54:29.880
<v Speaker 1>so high.

1101
00:54:30.039 --> 00:54:34.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think that the media and you've got to

1102
00:54:34.880 --> 00:54:38.519
<v Speaker 2>go back three years and you're seven and five. You said, okay,

1103
00:54:38.840 --> 00:54:41.280
<v Speaker 2>you had any injury here and there, and you lost

1104
00:54:41.280 --> 00:54:43.239
<v Speaker 2>the game you shouldn't have lost. And then you go

1105
00:54:43.320 --> 00:54:47.079
<v Speaker 2>to last year and I thought there were some expectations,

1106
00:54:47.119 --> 00:54:48.119
<v Speaker 2>you know, you had a.

1107
00:54:47.960 --> 00:54:49.039
<v Speaker 5>New quarterback coming in.

1108
00:54:49.159 --> 00:54:53.760
<v Speaker 2>They was throwing a you know, a boatload of touchdown passes.

1109
00:54:53.800 --> 00:54:56.559
<v Speaker 2>It was a real good touchdown interception ratio, and it

1110
00:54:56.679 --> 00:54:58.480
<v Speaker 2>just didn't work out last year and you finished seven

1111
00:54:58.519 --> 00:55:00.480
<v Speaker 2>and five. So now paper going okay. And then you

1112
00:55:00.519 --> 00:55:03.000
<v Speaker 2>had the FIASCA with Texas A and M to add

1113
00:55:03.000 --> 00:55:05.119
<v Speaker 2>in with coach and I think a lot of people

1114
00:55:05.199 --> 00:55:09.039
<v Speaker 2>kind of soured on that and they haven't gotten over it.

1115
00:55:10.280 --> 00:55:16.599
<v Speaker 2>And now I think everything is under a microscope, and

1116
00:55:15.639 --> 00:55:20.440
<v Speaker 2>now it's even more so. Look, South Carolina, for whatever reason,

1117
00:55:20.840 --> 00:55:22.920
<v Speaker 2>and we talk about this a lot sick on the show,

1118
00:55:23.519 --> 00:55:26.039
<v Speaker 2>is some teams have your number, you know, they just

1119
00:55:26.079 --> 00:55:29.320
<v Speaker 2>it's like Missisi used to be Mississippi State. Mississippi State

1120
00:55:29.360 --> 00:55:32.360
<v Speaker 2>could be three and five when they met Kentucky. But

1121
00:55:32.400 --> 00:55:35.159
<v Speaker 2>for whatever reason, it was going to be a battle.

1122
00:55:35.519 --> 00:55:38.480
<v Speaker 2>Right now, it just seems like South Carolina said it

1123
00:55:38.559 --> 00:55:41.559
<v Speaker 2>was an ugly game on both sides. South Carolina didn't

1124
00:55:41.559 --> 00:55:44.440
<v Speaker 2>do anything. Their quarter was supposed to be runner. He didn't,

1125
00:55:44.679 --> 00:55:47.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, he got hurt. They didn't do anything offensively

1126
00:55:48.800 --> 00:55:49.960
<v Speaker 2>that was outstanding.

1127
00:55:50.159 --> 00:55:50.400
<v Speaker 5>He had.

1128
00:55:50.400 --> 00:55:52.400
<v Speaker 2>They scored thirty one points somehow.

1129
00:55:52.679 --> 00:55:54.840
<v Speaker 1>Well, and you know, you chopped up the numbers of

1130
00:55:54.880 --> 00:55:58.719
<v Speaker 1>the week prior and pointing out that Dean Walker was

1131
00:55:58.760 --> 00:56:01.559
<v Speaker 1>an over but everyone else got to eat. And when

1132
00:56:01.559 --> 00:56:04.599
<v Speaker 1>you really look closely, and I'm not making any excuses

1133
00:56:04.719 --> 00:56:07.679
<v Speaker 1>or trying to put a blanket or a bow on this,

1134
00:56:08.199 --> 00:56:11.559
<v Speaker 1>but you really can't point too many fingers. You have

1135
00:56:11.599 --> 00:56:15.519
<v Speaker 1>to point a few because of the breakdowns in the secondary.

1136
00:56:16.280 --> 00:56:19.119
<v Speaker 1>But otherwise I thought defensively, Jeff, they were pretty sound.

1137
00:56:19.159 --> 00:56:21.679
<v Speaker 1>And as you said, I braced myself and we talked

1138
00:56:21.679 --> 00:56:24.960
<v Speaker 1>about this in the pregame. I braced myself for that

1139
00:56:25.119 --> 00:56:29.280
<v Speaker 1>quarterback getting loose running, yes, chucking the ball, and he

1140
00:56:29.320 --> 00:56:31.400
<v Speaker 1>really he made a couple of plays He's going to

1141
00:56:31.480 --> 00:56:33.559
<v Speaker 1>do that, But that didn't really happen, did it.

1142
00:56:34.360 --> 00:56:37.199
<v Speaker 2>No, Kentucky, I believe it is the number eight defense

1143
00:56:37.280 --> 00:56:39.519
<v Speaker 2>in the country right now. They still yet to give

1144
00:56:39.599 --> 00:56:43.039
<v Speaker 2>up one hundred yards running the football in two games combined. Yeah,

1145
00:56:43.079 --> 00:56:45.679
<v Speaker 2>so yeah, they've done a pretty good job. Now. They

1146
00:56:45.719 --> 00:56:47.440
<v Speaker 2>had a couple of bonehead plays where they left the

1147
00:56:47.480 --> 00:56:51.360
<v Speaker 2>guy wide open, you know, and that's I think that

1148
00:56:51.480 --> 00:56:55.360
<v Speaker 2>was schematic. The way Kentucky's defense was. If ty Bryant

1149
00:56:55.360 --> 00:56:57.960
<v Speaker 2>goes outside, they throw to the inside guy. If Tiger's inside,

1150
00:56:58.000 --> 00:56:59.719
<v Speaker 2>they throw to the outside guy. They had three guys

1151
00:56:59.719 --> 00:57:02.519
<v Speaker 2>on a ass route and two defenders. The cornerback got

1152
00:57:02.559 --> 00:57:04.280
<v Speaker 2>one guy on the edge, and two guys are running

1153
00:57:04.320 --> 00:57:05.840
<v Speaker 2>basically about ten yards apart.

1154
00:57:06.320 --> 00:57:06.480
<v Speaker 1>Ty.

1155
00:57:06.840 --> 00:57:09.960
<v Speaker 2>You know, Ty goes and it's not his fault. He's

1156
00:57:09.960 --> 00:57:11.960
<v Speaker 2>got to pick one. Can't just stay in the middle,

1157
00:57:12.480 --> 00:57:15.039
<v Speaker 2>and uh, you know, the other guy's wide open and

1158
00:57:15.519 --> 00:57:19.000
<v Speaker 2>it's a touchdown. It's that was just a great schematic

1159
00:57:19.079 --> 00:57:24.039
<v Speaker 2>call by the offensive coordinator, you know over there ligings

1160
00:57:24.079 --> 00:57:27.840
<v Speaker 2>for uh for South Carolina. But yeah, they're they're they're

1161
00:57:27.880 --> 00:57:31.239
<v Speaker 2>pretty good. They're the defense looks good. I mean, it's

1162
00:57:31.280 --> 00:57:33.480
<v Speaker 2>not great, but it looks pretty dark good, pretty stout

1163
00:57:33.480 --> 00:57:34.599
<v Speaker 2>against the run, that's for sure.

1164
00:57:34.920 --> 00:57:37.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Uh, and if you can control that up front,

1165
00:57:37.639 --> 00:57:40.719
<v Speaker 1>you know. So now the question is can you avoid

1166
00:57:40.800 --> 00:57:44.039
<v Speaker 1>First of all, can you avoid beating yourself against Georgia.

1167
00:57:44.480 --> 00:57:46.840
<v Speaker 1>But you know, you go back to that game. I

1168
00:57:47.119 --> 00:57:49.960
<v Speaker 1>was talking, uh, I think it was last night about

1169
00:57:50.599 --> 00:57:53.159
<v Speaker 1>the game when Kentucky went down there for the first time.

1170
00:57:54.000 --> 00:57:55.480
<v Speaker 1>Will Levis facing Georgia.

1171
00:57:55.880 --> 00:57:57.119
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, and he.

1172
00:57:57.079 --> 00:57:59.599
<v Speaker 1>Quote unquote manages the game pretty well. That kind of

1173
00:57:59.599 --> 00:58:03.400
<v Speaker 1>put him on everybody's radar. And you got to do

1174
00:58:03.480 --> 00:58:05.880
<v Speaker 1>that with Georgia, don't you. I mean, you can't go

1175
00:58:05.960 --> 00:58:09.679
<v Speaker 1>in there slinging it down the field and running trick plays.

1176
00:58:10.119 --> 00:58:12.800
<v Speaker 1>You got to first of all, keep from beating yourself.

1177
00:58:12.840 --> 00:58:13.559
<v Speaker 1>Can they do that?

1178
00:58:14.800 --> 00:58:15.000
<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

1179
00:58:15.000 --> 00:58:17.039
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, you talk about that game with Lewis.

1180
00:58:17.079 --> 00:58:20.000
<v Speaker 2>They're they're that ball sitting on the ground. If they

1181
00:58:20.079 --> 00:58:22.760
<v Speaker 2>just put their hand on it, it's Kentucky ball. Georgia

1182
00:58:22.840 --> 00:58:25.239
<v Speaker 2>doesn't score. If he picks it up and runs the

1183
00:58:25.280 --> 00:58:26.840
<v Speaker 2>other way, it's an easy touchdown.

1184
00:58:27.760 --> 00:58:28.000
<v Speaker 1>You know.

1185
00:58:28.159 --> 00:58:32.639
<v Speaker 2>You Yes, you've got to get lucky because look, let's

1186
00:58:32.639 --> 00:58:35.079
<v Speaker 2>face it, they don't have the talent that Georgia does it.

1187
00:58:35.280 --> 00:58:35.840
<v Speaker 2>That's the fact.

1188
00:58:35.880 --> 00:58:36.480
<v Speaker 5>Nobody does.

1189
00:58:38.079 --> 00:58:40.480
<v Speaker 2>But I think the defense can't blow up like they

1190
00:58:40.519 --> 00:58:45.000
<v Speaker 2>did last year where everyone's doing their own thing. You know,

1191
00:58:45.159 --> 00:58:47.880
<v Speaker 2>coach talks about this all the time. Just do your job,

1192
00:58:48.360 --> 00:58:50.639
<v Speaker 2>you know, don't try to be a superhuman person. You're

1193
00:58:50.719 --> 00:58:53.000
<v Speaker 2>you're not going to be against this team. Then they're

1194
00:58:53.000 --> 00:58:54.639
<v Speaker 2>gonna have to get some breaks. They're gonna have to

1195
00:58:54.639 --> 00:58:56.239
<v Speaker 2>get a fumble, they're gonna have to get an interception,

1196
00:58:56.239 --> 00:58:58.320
<v Speaker 2>they're gonna have to run the football, control the clock.

1197
00:58:58.800 --> 00:59:00.840
<v Speaker 2>You cannot there's no way you're going to get in

1198
00:59:00.880 --> 00:59:03.800
<v Speaker 2>the you know, a scoreboard contest with them where you're

1199
00:59:04.039 --> 00:59:06.239
<v Speaker 2>you know, trying to play pinball and score forty points,

1200
00:59:06.239 --> 00:59:08.639
<v Speaker 2>because it's just not going to happen. So it's got

1201
00:59:08.679 --> 00:59:10.440
<v Speaker 2>to be a game like that was a couple of

1202
00:59:10.480 --> 00:59:13.960
<v Speaker 2>years ago, a low scoring, defensive minded type of football game.

1203
00:59:14.000 --> 00:59:15.519
<v Speaker 2>But to do that, you got to move to football.

1204
00:59:16.280 --> 00:59:19.719
<v Speaker 1>Uh. You know, we were talking about how Kentucky has

1205
00:59:19.800 --> 00:59:23.159
<v Speaker 1>beaten Georgia a couple of times in the last eighteen years,

1206
00:59:23.719 --> 00:59:26.079
<v Speaker 1>one of them in six here in Lexon and the

1207
00:59:26.079 --> 00:59:28.880
<v Speaker 1>other one at nine, both of them under Rich Brooks,

1208
00:59:28.880 --> 00:59:32.000
<v Speaker 1>who will be our celebrity. I don't know what we

1209
00:59:32.039 --> 00:59:35.239
<v Speaker 1>want to call it, but he'll open the broadcast with

1210
00:59:35.440 --> 00:59:38.320
<v Speaker 1>with our celebrity monologue. I guess we can say, as

1211
00:59:38.440 --> 00:59:41.559
<v Speaker 1>Jojo Kimp did last week and Bill Ransdale the week before,

1212
00:59:42.119 --> 00:59:44.079
<v Speaker 1>and I chatted with him, We're going to hear the

1213
00:59:44.079 --> 00:59:47.159
<v Speaker 1>conversation on the show on Thursday, Jeff. But he talked

1214
00:59:47.199 --> 00:59:50.239
<v Speaker 1>about that six game when the goalpost came down. I

1215
00:59:50.280 --> 00:59:53.000
<v Speaker 1>know you worked that game, and he said, and I

1216
00:59:53.360 --> 00:59:57.679
<v Speaker 1>mentioned there was an interception right before halftime, which was huge. Uh.

1217
00:59:57.800 --> 01:00:01.719
<v Speaker 1>And then of course Trevar Linley's of Matthew Stafford essentially

1218
01:00:01.880 --> 01:00:04.280
<v Speaker 1>end of the game. But he said, we had so

1219
01:00:04.440 --> 01:00:08.239
<v Speaker 1>many guys make plays, so many guys who came to

1220
01:00:08.320 --> 01:00:12.480
<v Speaker 1>Kentucky kind of unheralded, you know, like a Wesley Woodyard

1221
01:00:12.559 --> 01:00:16.679
<v Speaker 1>or like a Roger Williams and just made plays and

1222
01:00:16.719 --> 01:00:18.360
<v Speaker 1>got it done. And that's what it's going to take,

1223
01:00:18.400 --> 01:00:18.800
<v Speaker 1>isn't it.

1224
01:00:19.679 --> 01:00:19.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1225
01:00:20.360 --> 01:00:22.239
<v Speaker 2>Like I said, look, it doesn't matter if you're a

1226
01:00:22.320 --> 01:00:25.159
<v Speaker 2>two star, three star, four star, five star. Just go

1227
01:00:25.199 --> 01:00:26.239
<v Speaker 2>out there and play the game.

1228
01:00:26.519 --> 01:00:27.280
<v Speaker 7>Have some fun.

1229
01:00:27.679 --> 01:00:30.840
<v Speaker 2>I think that's a lot of times we forget that

1230
01:00:31.679 --> 01:00:35.480
<v Speaker 2>this is this is still a sport. And I say

1231
01:00:35.480 --> 01:00:37.400
<v Speaker 2>this all the time. I said this about the last

1232
01:00:37.440 --> 01:00:39.960
<v Speaker 2>couple of Caliperi teams. Didn't look like they were having

1233
01:00:40.000 --> 01:00:42.679
<v Speaker 2>fun out there on the basketball court. You know, this

1234
01:00:42.840 --> 01:00:46.519
<v Speaker 2>is a job. Well, if you're going at it that way,

1235
01:00:46.559 --> 01:00:48.239
<v Speaker 2>it's the wrong attitude and you're not going to win.

1236
01:00:48.559 --> 01:00:51.000
<v Speaker 2>And I think this football team has to enjoy themselves.

1237
01:00:51.039 --> 01:00:52.880
<v Speaker 2>Good out there, have fun. Look, you're playing against the

1238
01:00:52.960 --> 01:00:55.920
<v Speaker 2>number one team in the country. Hey, they put their

1239
01:00:55.920 --> 01:00:58.719
<v Speaker 2>pants on just like you. Let's prove that. Hey, op

1240
01:00:58.800 --> 01:01:02.360
<v Speaker 2>along on the field with you. You know, I could

1241
01:01:02.360 --> 01:01:04.320
<v Speaker 2>play for you, and we're going to beat you.

1242
01:01:04.400 --> 01:01:04.920
<v Speaker 7>To prove it.

1243
01:01:05.199 --> 01:01:06.599
<v Speaker 2>That's what you have to go into the game.

1244
01:01:06.639 --> 01:01:09.519
<v Speaker 1>As Jeff Acoro is the color analyst for the UK

1245
01:01:09.599 --> 01:01:12.880
<v Speaker 1>Sports Network, he'll be beside Tom Leach on the Wildcats

1246
01:01:12.880 --> 01:01:15.000
<v Speaker 1>take on Georgia. Listen for the two of those guys

1247
01:01:15.000 --> 01:01:18.079
<v Speaker 1>on the Wildcat Whip, which should hit your social media

1248
01:01:18.239 --> 01:01:21.760
<v Speaker 1>on Friday, and watch for Jeff on WTVQ. Thank you

1249
01:01:21.840 --> 01:01:24.159
<v Speaker 1>brother for you at the ballgame.

1250
01:01:25.000 --> 01:01:28.719
<v Speaker 2>Well, I'll see you first at South of Wrigley. Get

1251
01:01:28.719 --> 01:01:29.840
<v Speaker 2>a free signs.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, that's where we take the Wildcat Whip. Thank

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<v Speaker 1>you sir. Up Next lexing is John Wynn Miller. We

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<v Speaker 1>talk about his new book and we go back in

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<v Speaker 1>time with Kentucky basketball here on six point thirty Wlap

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<v Speaker 1>welcome back to the Big Blue and sider joining us

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<v Speaker 1>now our celebrity hotline is a longtime friend and colleague

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<v Speaker 1>from just a few years ago we worked together on

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<v Speaker 1>the Kentucky Colonel. Now John win Miller a retired journalist

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<v Speaker 1>but an author, and we will talk sports because as

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<v Speaker 1>we had John on before, he and his siblings literally

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<v Speaker 1>grew up with RUPs runs. But we're going to talk

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<v Speaker 1>first about the fact John, welcome back when I when

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<v Speaker 1>I first had you on your your novel accent adventure book,

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<v Speaker 1>The Hunt for the peggyc was doing well and you

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<v Speaker 1>just keep racking up accolades. Don't you now you're you're

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<v Speaker 1>in the running or are you still in the running

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<v Speaker 1>for a Hemingway Book Award or tell me about that?

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<v Speaker 7>I know that was actually two years ago when it

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<v Speaker 7>first came out, and it did win or ended up

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<v Speaker 7>being a finalist and a bunch of awards, including the

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<v Speaker 7>Military Writers Society of America, the Hemingway Award, I was

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<v Speaker 7>a semi finalist, and the Clive Cussler Adventure Writers Contest,

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<v Speaker 7>I was a semifinalist. So I'm crossing the finish line

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<v Speaker 7>close to the lead, but I'm not winning.

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<v Speaker 1>Well you're in a race, though, man, that's what's important.

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<v Speaker 1>And this was your first book.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it's crazy. You know.

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<v Speaker 7>I'd been a journalist for more than forty years, and

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<v Speaker 7>I became a journalist when I walked into the Kentucky

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<v Speaker 7>Colonel almost fifty years ago, because I wanted to be

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<v Speaker 7>a novelist. But I realized I didn't know how to

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<v Speaker 7>write and I had nothing interesting to write about.

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<v Speaker 5>So I figured.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, journalism will teach me how to write, and then

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<v Speaker 7>I eventually became a foreign correspondent and editor and publishers,

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<v Speaker 7>so I had some pretty interesting things to write about.

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<v Speaker 7>And during COVID, I decided I'm gonna sit down and

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<v Speaker 7>write that novel I've been thinking about for decades, and

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<v Speaker 7>lo and bhold, I got it out. I got a

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<v Speaker 7>publisher and got it out, which to me was amazing.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, my age to be able to sit and

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<v Speaker 7>write like that for as long as I did, and

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<v Speaker 7>to do all the research, because they say, right, what

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<v Speaker 7>you know? Well, I wrote about stuff I knew absolutely nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Right. This was a chase. This was two boats

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<v Speaker 1>chasing each other during World War Two. And the last

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<v Speaker 1>time you're on you were talking to me about all

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<v Speaker 1>the research you had to do about just in great detail.

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<v Speaker 1>You didn't exactly go Tom Clancy. Do you thank God?

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<v Speaker 1>Because I skim that when I read Clancy. But but

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<v Speaker 1>you were able to explain why things work how they work.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure it was enjoyable, and I'm sure you had

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<v Speaker 1>a good editor who could tell you if you're getting

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<v Speaker 1>bogged down too much in that. But now you've got

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<v Speaker 1>a sequel, right.

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<v Speaker 7>Yep, yep, I've got a sequel. It's called Rescue Run,

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<v Speaker 7>and it takes up a lot of the same characters,

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<v Speaker 7>the ones who actually survived the first book. And that

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<v Speaker 7>our hero is the same Captain Jake Rogers, who was

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01:05:07.679 --> 01:05:10.599
<v Speaker 7>the captain of the Peggy c that escaped the U

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<v Speaker 7>boat in volume one. So Rogers leads his crew on

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01:05:16.239 --> 01:05:22.000
<v Speaker 7>another daring mission UH to rescue his beloved father from

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<v Speaker 7>the Nazis in occupied Amsterdam, but there's a shocking betrayal

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<v Speaker 7>forces them to flee across occupied Europe with the S

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<v Speaker 7>of course, with the SS, the French gangsters, a ruthless

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<v Speaker 7>bounty hunter in hot pursuit, and even a real serial killer.

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<v Speaker 7>So I threw in a bunch of stuff, and it's

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<v Speaker 7>almost all real people and actual history.

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<v Speaker 5>The only.

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<v Speaker 7>Fiction is my characters and the plot, although again it

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01:06:03.360 --> 01:06:07.079
<v Speaker 7>involves a lot of things that really happened, and a

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<v Speaker 7>lot of famous people like Audrey Hepburn or Marcel Marceau.

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<v Speaker 7>They all show up at one point or another.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I actually met Marcel Marceau. He came through town. No,

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<v Speaker 1>he came through town in the early eighties. I was

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<v Speaker 1>working at WVLK and he came over and was interviewed

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<v Speaker 1>by Jack Patty and he had done a show at

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<v Speaker 1>the Opera House, was doing a series of shows and

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<v Speaker 1>I had gone to see him the night before, and

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<v Speaker 1>I remember I went into him and a lot and John,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, is also a veteran of our karate

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<v Speaker 1>club here in Lexingon and his study tai chi back

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<v Speaker 1>in the day as I did. And I asked Marceau,

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<v Speaker 1>I said, have you ever studied tai chi because some

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<v Speaker 1>of your movements are very similar, and he said, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it was something similar to tai chi, but you know,

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<v Speaker 1>just incorporated all of it. So that's a rare brush

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<v Speaker 1>with greatness for me.

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<v Speaker 7>Wow, that's great. He was pretty amazing. During the war,

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<v Speaker 7>he was an actor, was starting his training to become

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<v Speaker 7>a mind based on because he had seen some movies

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<v Speaker 7>when he was a kid of Charlie Chaplin, so he

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01:07:20.280 --> 01:07:24.239
<v Speaker 7>wanted to be Charlie Chaplin. So he would borrow his

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<v Speaker 7>father's pants and hat and walk around the house like

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<v Speaker 7>Charlie Chaplins Chaptain, and out of that then he started developing.

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<v Speaker 7>He was an artist during the war.

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<v Speaker 5>He was young.

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<v Speaker 7>He was a forger. He would forge documents. He was

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<v Speaker 7>Jewish and he forged the document that said he was

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<v Speaker 7>only seventeen, which meant too young for military service, and

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<v Speaker 7>he was Protestant, and so he and his brother worked

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<v Speaker 7>with a group to smuggle Jewish kids out of friends

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<v Speaker 7>into Switzerland. Yeah, he was actually made a movie about it,

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01:08:06.440 --> 01:08:10.119
<v Speaker 7>but uh, it's a little known thing about him. And

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<v Speaker 7>one of the things he would do he would dress

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<v Speaker 7>up as a boy scout, a Scout leader, and then

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<v Speaker 7>dress the Jewish kids up in Scout uniforms and take

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<v Speaker 7>them on trains as if they were going on a

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<v Speaker 7>day trip to the mountains, and then he would walk

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<v Speaker 7>them across the mountain into Switzerland. Yeah, and uh, he

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<v Speaker 7>he did that quite a bit during the war and

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<v Speaker 7>he never he never got caught. So I use a

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<v Speaker 7>little bit of that in my novel just because I

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<v Speaker 7>just couldn't believe it. Yeah, and then after later on

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<v Speaker 7>he became a translator for patent he because he could

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<v Speaker 7>speak three languages. He spoke German, he spoke for she

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<v Speaker 7>spoke English. So you know, even before he became world famous,

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<v Speaker 7>he was an amazing human being.

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<v Speaker 1>So you had to work him into the book.

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<v Speaker 7>Oh absolutely, And a lot of the funny things were

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<v Speaker 7>that I would be doing research and I would stumble

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<v Speaker 7>across somebody or something.

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<v Speaker 5>I got to get that in the book. I got

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<v Speaker 5>it here.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, it's crazy, but I even worked in There

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<v Speaker 7>was a serial killer operating in Paris, a doctor who

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<v Speaker 7>the Nazis Guestapo sort of knew about and French gangsters

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<v Speaker 7>sort of knew about, and it kind of used him

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<v Speaker 7>to eliminate some of the resistance members that they wanted

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<v Speaker 7>to get rid of. So I worked him into the story.

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<v Speaker 7>And again it's completely unbelievable. A serial killer operating down

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<v Speaker 7>the street from Guestapo headquarters for years and finally got caught.

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<v Speaker 7>They convicted him of twenty nine murders that they suspect

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<v Speaker 7>him of several hundred. You know, he would trick resistance

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<v Speaker 7>members and people he wanted to escape to Spain. He

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<v Speaker 7>would say he was going to help him, but then

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<v Speaker 7>he would say, okay, before you leave, you have to

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<v Speaker 7>be inoculated for various diseases before you can get into Argentina.

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<v Speaker 7>And he gave him not poison, but numbing. Yeah, he

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<v Speaker 7>would kind of just knock him out and then take

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<v Speaker 7>them down in the basement and torture them to death.

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<v Speaker 7>So it was pleasant. Yeah, really nice. So that's that's

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<v Speaker 7>how I've been spending my time.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, when we come back, we will we will

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<v Speaker 1>cleanse your mind of all that. We'll talk some basketball

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<v Speaker 1>with John Wynn Miller. He is an author. He's an

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<v Speaker 1>award winning author in fact, and if you read his

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<v Speaker 1>first book, you enjoyed it. I know The Hunt for

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<v Speaker 1>the peggyc And the sequel is coming out soon. Rescue Run.

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<v Speaker 1>We're back in a minute, around six thirty WLAP. Welcome back.

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<v Speaker 1>We're talking with my longtime friend John Wynn Miller, author

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<v Speaker 1>of The Hunt for the PEGGYC and Rescue Run the sequel.

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<v Speaker 1>Terrific book, the first one, and I'm sure I'll enjoy

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01:11:18.760 --> 01:11:21.760
<v Speaker 1>the second one. But as I said, it's a sports show, John,

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01:11:21.840 --> 01:11:25.439
<v Speaker 1>so I've got to justify having you on. But no, seriously,

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01:11:27.119 --> 01:11:29.319
<v Speaker 1>you know it's hard to believe you walked into the

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01:11:29.359 --> 01:11:31.319
<v Speaker 1>Colonel wanting to be a novelist. I knew I wanted

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01:11:31.359 --> 01:11:33.560
<v Speaker 1>to be a sports writer, and we both end up

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01:11:33.560 --> 01:11:36.920
<v Speaker 1>in the same place. And when you think about college

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01:11:36.960 --> 01:11:40.840
<v Speaker 1>sports now compared to them, it's crazy. And again it's

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<v Speaker 1>fifty years ago, but it's almost like a time warp

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01:11:43.359 --> 01:11:46.520
<v Speaker 1>because what we walked into. It remained that way for

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01:11:46.600 --> 01:11:51.800
<v Speaker 1>so long, with you know, student athletes getting laundry money,

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01:11:51.840 --> 01:11:54.279
<v Speaker 1>and now they're being paid, you know, to sign on

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01:11:54.319 --> 01:11:58.119
<v Speaker 1>the dotted line. But it's funny how so many people

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<v Speaker 1>journalists included, you know, rude the fact that athletes aren't

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<v Speaker 1>getting anything and now they're complaining that they're getting too much.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even know how much sports you follow anymore,

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01:12:09.520 --> 01:12:12.439
<v Speaker 1>because you're an average sportsman. As I said, your dad

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01:12:12.479 --> 01:12:15.600
<v Speaker 1>was Adolph Rupps lawyer, so RUPs runs partied at your house,

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01:12:16.000 --> 01:12:18.920
<v Speaker 1>they were your friends. Yeah, you know. Yeah, it's so

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01:12:19.079 --> 01:12:20.159
<v Speaker 1>different now, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, Oh, it's completely different.

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<v Speaker 5>You know.

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<v Speaker 7>Back then they were truly amateur athletes and they if

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<v Speaker 7>they got paid anything. It was like my father and

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<v Speaker 7>mother would have them over and let him use the

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<v Speaker 7>basement for parties with their girlfriends. And Larry Connelly actually

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<v Speaker 7>taught me how to shoot a junk shot, so as

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01:12:48.079 --> 01:12:51.880
<v Speaker 7>we had a basketball goal out back, and that just

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<v Speaker 7>seemed like a normal thing to me, you know, I

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<v Speaker 7>had him and pat Riley and Tommy Crime at the

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01:12:59.760 --> 01:13:07.079
<v Speaker 7>half and when they lost the national championship to Texas Western,

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<v Speaker 7>because Larry Conley had a fever of one hundred and

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<v Speaker 7>four and they were beaten by a better team. Actually

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<v Speaker 7>that's a better coach team, so you can't make any

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01:13:21.359 --> 01:13:26.359
<v Speaker 7>excuses for him. But I still had a picture of

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<v Speaker 7>Tom Krin and Larry Conley in my parents' bedroom watching

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<v Speaker 7>TV with all of us after the day after they

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<v Speaker 7>had lost, and my father got a friend who owned

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<v Speaker 7>the liquor store to get some beer and brought a

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01:13:43.800 --> 01:13:46.960
<v Speaker 7>bunch of beer over for him. So they watched that,

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<v Speaker 7>and then Tommy Crime decided he was going to teach

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<v Speaker 7>me how.

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<v Speaker 5>To drive a car.

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<v Speaker 7>I don't know if I told you this one before,

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<v Speaker 7>but so we car.

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<v Speaker 5>He was in the.

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<v Speaker 7>Driveway, uh, and my parents had kind of a wide driveway,

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<v Speaker 7>so their cars would park on the side and then

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<v Speaker 7>up next to the house. And so I got into

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<v Speaker 7>his car. He had a big old cigar in his mouth.

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<v Speaker 7>I don't know if he'd ever smoked one before, and

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<v Speaker 7>his dad had been drinking lots.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, my father smoked him all the time. And so

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<v Speaker 7>he let me get behind the wheel and he said, okay,

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01:14:24.279 --> 01:14:26.159
<v Speaker 7>turn it on. I turned away and said, okay, put

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01:14:26.159 --> 01:14:28.880
<v Speaker 7>it in reverse. I did, said, okay, back up. I

1461
01:14:29.840 --> 01:14:33.239
<v Speaker 7>had never been in a car before I was maybe fourteen,

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01:14:33.760 --> 01:14:36.760
<v Speaker 7>well I don't remember. Could barely reach the pedals, and

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01:14:36.840 --> 01:14:41.439
<v Speaker 7>of course I floor it right into the front of

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01:14:41.560 --> 01:14:48.119
<v Speaker 7>my mother's car. Park it. He doesn't blank, he doesn't

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01:14:48.159 --> 01:14:50.800
<v Speaker 7>say a thing. He said, well, why.

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01:14:50.680 --> 01:14:51.880
<v Speaker 5>Don't we park it for now?

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01:14:56.399 --> 01:14:58.239
<v Speaker 1>Why don't we want it for now?

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01:14:59.279 --> 01:14:59.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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01:14:59.680 --> 01:15:03.600
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, because I pulled it up and got it off

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01:15:03.640 --> 01:15:09.399
<v Speaker 7>of my mother's car. Uh. And so that was some

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01:15:09.479 --> 01:15:13.800
<v Speaker 7>of my experiences with the ballplayers. That was like like

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01:15:14.800 --> 01:15:16.439
<v Speaker 7>all of my involvement with sports.

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01:15:16.479 --> 01:15:19.239
<v Speaker 1>And your dad was was tight with John Ray, wasn't he.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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01:15:21.079 --> 01:15:23.840
<v Speaker 7>He ended up being really good friends with John Ray.

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01:15:24.159 --> 01:15:28.359
<v Speaker 7>And who was the UK football coach uh in the

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01:15:28.479 --> 01:15:33.760
<v Speaker 7>long string of unsuccessful football coaches that you, uh, except

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01:15:33.960 --> 01:15:37.039
<v Speaker 7>the great ones who we fired like Bear Bryant and

1479
01:15:37.079 --> 01:15:40.239
<v Speaker 7>Blanton Collier, Don Shula.

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01:15:42.279 --> 01:15:43.880
<v Speaker 5>We know how to pick him.

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01:15:47.560 --> 01:15:52.880
<v Speaker 7>We were real talent scounts back then. Uh So yeah,

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01:15:53.119 --> 01:16:00.439
<v Speaker 7>uh they became good friends. And when John Ray uh

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01:16:00.960 --> 01:16:04.640
<v Speaker 7>left to go to the Buffalo Bills as an assistant coach,

1484
01:16:04.760 --> 01:16:06.920
<v Speaker 7>my parents would go visit him every so often, and

1485
01:16:07.479 --> 01:16:11.720
<v Speaker 7>in one of them they took him down to the

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01:16:11.720 --> 01:16:16.720
<v Speaker 7>locker room to meet O. J. Simpson, the father got

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01:16:16.720 --> 01:16:21.039
<v Speaker 7>to meet him before he was also a serial killer,

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01:16:21.800 --> 01:16:25.000
<v Speaker 7>and as a result they you know, they ran into

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01:16:25.039 --> 01:16:31.000
<v Speaker 7>all sorts of athletes, mainly because my father represented Rupp

1490
01:16:31.119 --> 01:16:33.960
<v Speaker 7>and then the health John Ray, and then helped others

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01:16:34.039 --> 01:16:35.640
<v Speaker 7>which led to different things.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and you know what, and one of my favorite

1493
01:16:37.520 --> 01:16:42.479
<v Speaker 1>stories about your dad was the fact that people don't

1494
01:16:42.640 --> 01:16:44.520
<v Speaker 1>realize I've told the story before on the show, but

1495
01:16:44.880 --> 01:16:47.319
<v Speaker 1>when Joby Hall was the head coach at Saint Louis

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01:16:47.399 --> 01:16:51.359
<v Speaker 1>you for five days, he was upset that Rupp would

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01:16:51.399 --> 01:16:55.039
<v Speaker 1>not anoint him as the future head coach, and so

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01:16:55.119 --> 01:16:58.520
<v Speaker 1>he left. And then and after Joe died, you know

1499
01:16:58.640 --> 01:17:01.039
<v Speaker 1>the in his obituaries, and Joe told the story every

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01:17:01.079 --> 01:17:05.000
<v Speaker 1>now and then, but what never came out really was

1501
01:17:05.039 --> 01:17:07.600
<v Speaker 1>how your dad did the legal work to get him

1502
01:17:07.640 --> 01:17:12.079
<v Speaker 1>out of the contract. And full disclosure, your folks put

1503
01:17:12.119 --> 01:17:14.920
<v Speaker 1>me up after I got my first job. I got

1504
01:17:14.960 --> 01:17:17.039
<v Speaker 1>a job on a Thursday, had to report on a Monday,

1505
01:17:17.039 --> 01:17:19.439
<v Speaker 1>had zero money, no place to live, so I stayed

1506
01:17:19.760 --> 01:17:22.680
<v Speaker 1>in your brother Harry's room for about four months, as

1507
01:17:22.720 --> 01:17:25.279
<v Speaker 1>you will know. But your dad we were eating dinner

1508
01:17:25.279 --> 01:17:27.319
<v Speaker 1>when he told me the story about how Joe b

1509
01:17:27.560 --> 01:17:30.359
<v Speaker 1>came in the kitchen and hung his head and said, Harry,

1510
01:17:30.359 --> 01:17:33.359
<v Speaker 1>I made a terrible mistake. And your dad did the

1511
01:17:33.479 --> 01:17:35.840
<v Speaker 1>legal work to get him out of his contract, didn't he.

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01:17:36.760 --> 01:17:39.560
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, yeah, he did. In fact, he drove to Saint

1513
01:17:39.600 --> 01:17:44.840
<v Speaker 7>Louis with the contract and met with the university officials

1514
01:17:45.079 --> 01:17:48.640
<v Speaker 7>and got Joe out of it, and so he could

1515
01:17:48.720 --> 01:17:53.800
<v Speaker 7>come back and be assistant coach for a little while longer, right,

1516
01:17:54.000 --> 01:17:59.560
<v Speaker 7>and then head coach, which reminds me of a story

1517
01:17:59.600 --> 01:18:09.159
<v Speaker 7>about Joe's predecessor, Frank Lancaster, wasn't Harry Lancaster, And Harry

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01:18:09.159 --> 01:18:13.439
<v Speaker 7>would tell a story that back in the day when

1519
01:18:13.520 --> 01:18:16.680
<v Speaker 7>you played places like Alabama, I mean you were in

1520
01:18:16.880 --> 01:18:19.479
<v Speaker 7>small gyms where the.

1521
01:18:19.239 --> 01:18:21.840
<v Speaker 5>Audience was right on top of you.

1522
01:18:21.960 --> 01:18:24.079
<v Speaker 7>There was you know, a few thousand and they were

1523
01:18:24.079 --> 01:18:27.680
<v Speaker 7>boisterous and they would throw things. It was really nasty.

1524
01:18:28.279 --> 01:18:34.039
<v Speaker 7>And so in one game, Joe and are Adolph and

1525
01:18:34.119 --> 01:18:35.880
<v Speaker 7>Harry were on the bench in the middle of the

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01:18:35.880 --> 01:18:38.840
<v Speaker 7>game and the fans are throwing stuff at him, and

1527
01:18:38.920 --> 01:18:39.199
<v Speaker 7>some of.

1528
01:18:39.199 --> 01:18:42.079
<v Speaker 5>Them threw money, the coins.

1529
01:18:41.680 --> 01:18:44.640
<v Speaker 7>At him, and there was a fifty cent piece on

1530
01:18:44.720 --> 01:18:48.840
<v Speaker 7>the floor and Harry Lancaster reached over and picked it up,

1531
01:18:49.079 --> 01:18:52.880
<v Speaker 7>put it in his pocket, and ruff turned to him said, well,

1532
01:18:53.000 --> 01:19:01.560
<v Speaker 7>I guess they met your price. You know, that was

1533
01:19:01.600 --> 01:19:04.359
<v Speaker 7>one of the great things about Adolf Rupp if you

1534
01:19:05.479 --> 01:19:09.600
<v Speaker 7>don't really get that sense now, But he was very clever,

1535
01:19:10.119 --> 01:19:14.560
<v Speaker 7>very funny, and you know, and although you know he

1536
01:19:14.640 --> 01:19:16.760
<v Speaker 7>was a tough, mean guy when he was a coach,

1537
01:19:16.840 --> 01:19:21.439
<v Speaker 7>but he was also hysterically funny and self depreciating in

1538
01:19:21.479 --> 01:19:25.640
<v Speaker 7>some cases. There's a story he told about when he

1539
01:19:25.680 --> 01:19:29.319
<v Speaker 7>would go recruiting back in eastern Kentucky with his driver

1540
01:19:30.520 --> 01:19:33.520
<v Speaker 7>and he always liked to get stopped into the local

1541
01:19:33.560 --> 01:19:36.000
<v Speaker 7>barber shop and get his haircut so he could find

1542
01:19:36.039 --> 01:19:39.399
<v Speaker 7>out what was going on in one of these small towns.

1543
01:19:39.439 --> 01:19:42.880
<v Speaker 7>He went in and got his hair cut, and then

1544
01:19:42.960 --> 01:19:45.760
<v Speaker 7>when he was done, he wrote out a check to

1545
01:19:46.000 --> 01:19:48.920
<v Speaker 7>the to the barber for a dollar or two dollars,

1546
01:19:48.960 --> 01:19:51.239
<v Speaker 7>whatever it was. He handed the check to him and

1547
01:19:51.279 --> 01:19:54.079
<v Speaker 7>pointed at his name, and he said, you know who

1548
01:19:54.119 --> 01:19:57.239
<v Speaker 7>that is, don't you? Appointment aid offer up And the

1549
01:19:57.279 --> 01:20:00.000
<v Speaker 7>barber looked at the check and then looked at him.

1550
01:20:00.039 --> 01:20:02.039
<v Speaker 7>I'm gonna looked at the check again and looked at

1551
01:20:02.079 --> 01:20:07.199
<v Speaker 7>him and said it had better be you.

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01:20:09.720 --> 01:20:11.600
<v Speaker 1>I had heard that before. I never knew if it

1553
01:20:11.640 --> 01:20:14.640
<v Speaker 1>was true or not. But yeah, that's that's one of

1554
01:20:14.680 --> 01:20:20.279
<v Speaker 1>the I guarantee that sounds exactly like it could be true. John,

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01:20:20.319 --> 01:20:21.960
<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much. My best to you and the

1556
01:20:22.000 --> 01:20:25.399
<v Speaker 1>wife and your your wonderful daughter and we will talk

1557
01:20:25.720 --> 01:20:26.520
<v Speaker 1>talk again soon.

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01:20:26.880 --> 01:20:28.159
<v Speaker 7>Thanks Dave, appreciate it.

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01:20:28.279 --> 01:20:30.960
<v Speaker 1>John's first book is on Amazon. Watch for the second

1560
01:20:30.960 --> 01:20:33.680
<v Speaker 1>one soon. Thanks to all my guests, Jim Koutch and

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01:20:33.720 --> 01:20:36.399
<v Speaker 1>Jeff Pcorrel and John Miller. That's it, good night from

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01:20:36.439 --> 01:20:37.920
<v Speaker 1>the garage in Lexington.

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01:20:38.399 --> 01:20:40.920
<v Speaker 2>A fart in your gender direction.

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01:20:41.399 --> 01:20:45.239
<v Speaker 4>Your mother was a hamster and your father Smete of

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01:20:45.479 --> 01:20:46.119
<v Speaker 4>Alaberry

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<v Speaker 5>Sang
