Speaker 1: And we're back because they didn't put this in notes
kind of did everyone watch the Venom three trailer. I'm
sure they've seen it. Okay, good, So we're not gonna
bring it up because we've gone long. You know the
fucking fal Cones Deli that.
Speaker 2: Kirk you get to shake your head. You got here
like twenty minutes ago. You can't go, oh, yeah, we've
been long.
Speaker 3: You know it's been long.
Speaker 1: But anyway, so this happen, This was gonna be remain
sorry about kicked it at the end so Kirkham could
talk about this little bit.
Speaker 2: Got the trailer last week.
Speaker 1: I don't think the tickets are and sell yet I
got the trailer last week. I imagine who knows what everyone
wants to say about it, but for me, you know,
say what'll say?
Speaker 2: Oh it's Venom movie.
Speaker 1: And then but the big thing was that they preview
or in the preview, was they alluded to a bigger
thread out there, and it's nol. If people don't know
who knowl is they introduced him a couple of years ago.
There's like a symbioe plan and he's like the creator
of the symbiotes. And yet did it all that stuff
very much like a okay, big huge villain for the symbiotes,
okay Venom right, and then that happened, and then there'd
be there was a chorus respondents of And I think
this is because the double of three things one Venom
is currently doing reshoots in New York right now, and
Tom Holland had met with the rumor with any Pascal,
so people are drawing some lines.
Speaker 2: Two.
Speaker 1: I think it's because Destin Daniel Crayon or whatever you
say his name, he got the Spierman gig and then
he got this trailer. There was a copious amounts of
stuff coming out now from from i'll say.
Speaker 2: Higher seat your scoopers. No one in the C plus
or B level.
Speaker 1: But enough of like smoke, there's fire situation that apparently
it is sounding like that Spiman four might have something
to do with Venom four and all, even to the
extent of maybe having Venom in said.
Speaker 2: Movie and all being the big villain. I don't know
where that it would go.
Speaker 1: It sounds like the original plans of being a pure
street level movie are dead. We had talked about this
for the rumors of Kingpin and Daredevil that come again.
Other names that were thrown around for potentially being in
this or just just I don't know if it was
in all versions or some versions, but was Scorpion, which
was a note up but also mister negative. So it
sounds like there might be finally connecting these things.
Speaker 2: But again we don't know. These are just scuttle butts
and rumors.
Speaker 1: But Nol is a big character and there's a lot
of smoke going on with some of these rumors right now. So, Kirklin,
we have talked about many times about Noll, and I
think you had stressed that even if you might sometimes
enjoy these movies, that maybe you weren't wanting all to
be introduced here.
Speaker 2: But where are you now?
Speaker 1: As far as uh, Venom three trailer null possibly and
Venom being maybe connected as Firemen four and that being
some sort of multiverse symbio, because they already said like,
technically you look at Noay Home, the end credit of
that movie is like the symbio you know, stuck in
that universe, So you can't say it's like not completely
out of the realm of possibility.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you think about all this stuff?
Speaker 4: I feel like I've just been like a disbelief all
week because I didn't watch the trailer till today. I
don't even know how many days ago it was, but
I think it was you.
Speaker 3: You you got your fingers.
Speaker 1: The last point, too, is the rumor, as Norman Retis
is playing, all that is still just seat here, but
that is the current rumor you'd mentioned that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, Samporter Bridges, Yeah, I feel like I've
just been in disbelieve because I don't know how many
days ago whenever this trailer came out. I think it
was to me and you're like, I'll be ready, or
like you said something.
Speaker 3: I don't even remember what.
Speaker 4: It was, probably some sneer gift or something, and that's
I think that is what you said with your mouth
full of food, of course, and it's just like, okay,
they must be hinting towards something in that universe, because
I didn't watch the trailer, and then of course I
watched the trailer and he's like in the trailer and
I'm just I'm just shaking my head the whole fucking time.
I I do not want this at all. I just
want these Venom movies to kind of just just just
I don't want to say, just die, but just like
just retire, you know, like.
Speaker 3: To retire there.
Speaker 4: Hey it is so I guess that is happening, but
the talks of it expanding into into the multiverse of
cymbi symbiotes, and I don't know, like it's weird that
I feel like if I had a conversation with myself
ten years ago, not even ten years ago, wasn't that
long ago, twenty years ago, and she'd be like, man,
there's gonna be a point that there's gonna be like
a lot of symbiote live action content and you're not
gonna want it. Little yeah, you lies impossible, But like
I feel like that is kind of where I'm at now,
Like like I just don't really trust anything that could
come out of these like Sony Spider Man projects, like
at all anymore. I I even like watching this trailer.
I didn't think it was like the worst trailer I've
seen for these Venom movies, but it's just like I
don't want this, Like I don't know, like.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be there hopefully. I'm surprised.
Speaker 4: I think I had that thought going into Venom two,
let there be carnage, and I was very surprised about
how just awful that was and I had low expectations
and yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I'm I'm gonna really try and stay open, but as
of right now, like I don't want this and I'm
not really looking forward to it, and I don't see
how they'll be able to do a fantastic job about this.
So hopefully I'm eating my words come the time for
this to come out.
Speaker 2: And do you like Nola as the sperm and four
villain if that happens, Like if this is.
Speaker 1: Like the setup and then the payoff is them teaming
up in SPM four.
Speaker 3: I'm not opposed to it. I'm not loving it. I
don't know.
Speaker 4: I'm pretty neutral on that right now. And I think
I think i'll really know how I feel after this
movie and just kind of what's showing with him, Like
if the movie's awful, but I really love everything around
Nol and like if it is Norm the big Norm
read I and I'm loving the portrayal and everything, It's like, okay,
give me some of that, Like I'm down for it.
So I think I'll really have to just kind of
wait until that.
Speaker 2: Happens to no.
Speaker 3: I like Norman Retas.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but yeah, like I've I've interacted a little bit,
like I I didn't finish the King of Black series,
but I like I I was doing like the build
up series. Maybe that's where I screwed up, Like I
should just jump right in and do it, but I
was doing like all of like the lead up materials,
like of like like the Venom little arc.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, So I started there.
Speaker 4: And Noah is just such an interesting character that I
can't really think of any actor that I would actually
like really pin him on, and Norman Reatas is definitely
not that. But like for what was shown in the trailer,
it's like I could see Norman Reatas, you know, like
like like with the long hair and like looking all
somber and dour like I don't know, it's it's a
little bit different than kind of how I pictured nol
looking live action.
Speaker 3: I guess a.
Speaker 1: Picture with that accent though, too, So I feel like
they gotta change that up if they if he is him.
Speaker 3: I agree, I agree.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I don't know, I'm gonna I think I'm
gonna wait for my like certified, I don't know, rotten
or fresh meter on that on on on the Null,
you know, for Spider Man, f like like moving forward.
But yeah, as of right now, I really am not
as hyped as maybe I should be of like getting
this news and like actual confirmation that that Noll is
going to be there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. It's strange. It's very strange.
Speaker 2: Film the strange. You don't have anything as far as
knowledge of Null, So I know that, But what about this.
Speaker 3: He's got the card and Marvel snaff I know that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 5: That's that's as far as my my knowledge extends. But knowledge, Yeah,
and my knowledge in terms of characterization, I don't have
much much in the way and I can't speak on
Norman Ritas in that way either. But I mean, yeah,
this trailer didn't really do much for me. I don't
really I just don't like this venom. I know it's
like a very silly thing to say, but I just
don't like the.
Speaker 2: Way he talks.
Speaker 5: I don't like the vibe of it. You know, I
like Tom Hardy, but I don't really like what he's
doing here. It's been like, when did that first one
come out? Was that twenty seventeen or was it more
recent than twenty eighteen eighteen.
Speaker 3: I thought, I.
Speaker 2: Think so, I think twenty eighteen.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So it's been a long time since I've watched it.
I never I still have not seen carnage, so I'm.
Speaker 3: God, I'm a little bou me too.
Speaker 5: Well, I might need to third one.
Speaker 3: I don't know Dylan's solo Venom Retro.
Speaker 1: I mean, someone pay someone, pay prodsearching to make him
do a commentary track.
Speaker 2: I love, I love, I would do it. I'd love
just a solo. Just don't want especially commentary track.
Speaker 3: It's just like so like out of energy, like, oh
that be there for fifteen minutes.
Speaker 5: What it's probably one that I'll be on the coach
playing Marble Snap while I watch it.
Speaker 3: It'll be one of those.
Speaker 2: But no, I.
Speaker 5: Don't really want this stuff to cross over with MCU.
I just feel like we have so much other ground
to cover, we have so many other characters. I don't
really want this vibe over there. I mean maybe the
Null stuff is cool and interesting, but from what we
saw in this trailer of all these like big CGI monsters,
like I don't really want this. Tom Holland, who's like
fresh off mind wipe of like everyone else mind wipe,
Like I don't really want him to go fight some big,
gooey monster, Like I wanted it to be a more
personal thing to the character of Peter Parker as well,
even if I guess that's kind of tricky because no
one knows who Peter Parker is. So either way, I
just want something that's maybe a little bit I don't
even need to be familiar. But I just feel like
that is not the particular vibe I'm looking for. But
it sounds like the more and more rumors to get,
the more and more it sounds like this movie is
not gonna be a small scale thing, which I never
really thought it would be. It's just kind of once
again what I what I wanted for it.
Speaker 2: So I don't know.
Speaker 5: Was there another element to this that I'm forgetting about
that was kind of everything?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 2: No, I think I think that was it there.
Speaker 1: So I'll go because maybe will be more positive because
he's always always the shining light when it's dark as sometimes.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's funny when we were in a scenario.
Speaker 1: I think we talked about this a couple of months
ago when there was rumors that, oh, Disney and Sony
can't agree right, Disney and FI you want a small criminal,
street level thing, and Sony wants the multiverse thing. And
I always was like, I prefer the street level stuff,
but the multiverse stuff. That's great because I'm down from
our Toby and Andrew and Tom.
Speaker 2: Now, if you would have told me the Multiverse stuff
was two Tom's.
Speaker 1: But being Tom Holland and Tom Hardy, that's where I go, Oh, man,
I screwed up there, and that's where I definitely should
just no matter what, just say street level.
Speaker 2: Not that my decision does anything to do that, but
I thought, oh, it's a no brainer. That's what they
have to be doing.
Speaker 1: Right. It's the three speimen again, because why wouldn't you
that's what people want. I don't know, like, here's the
thing to take my bias out of it, because I
don't care about this bet at all. I'm not excited
for it. I will be on the review Becau's gonna
be one my last big so I and those the
Sony Marvel reviews are as we said before, they're always
just a good time.
Speaker 2: I can't say there's not like a money aspect to it.
Speaker 1: Based off the first two venoms, I would be very
curious if this was the plot going for SPIERMN four
and if them three just fucking eats it, if they
would again backtrack and go, oh, maybe this is not
a good idea, because I'm kind of sounds mean, but
I'm kind of hoping that happens because i just want
Sony to step back and make Okay, if we're gonna
make these films, we really needed to take a second
and put our best foot forward. They've not done that
so far, so to me, I don't know if it's
like a sure thing yet because that movie is still
has to come out next month and do well, and
we've seen that before. Aucamant to captain Marvel just because
they're big hits a couple of years ago. The audiences
have changed. What they want is changed, so the chances
comes out and people go, ah, I actually don't really
care about Tom Hardy being in, you know, a Spierman movie.
But as of right now, those first two movies big hits,
so I'm just gonna assume.
Speaker 2: Let's say the third does the same thing. People love venom.
Speaker 1: I can't again tell you if you are an executive
you come to me and say, hey, we have a
movie with Tom holl And, Vincentinofio and Charlie Cox, or
we have a movie with him and Tom Hardy. What's
gonna be better? Well, it's a Tom Hardy one, you know.
It's that scenario again where it's just like I think
people would want to see them interact. I think people
that don't know Venom do like Venom and think he
would fit in the MCU and the whole jokiness and
like there's some stuff there. Yeah, he's been there there
for a cup of coffee or a cup of beer
or whatever. No, I just really don't know other than like,
is that just the way, Like that's how we because
he can be multiversal, Like that's how we get Venom
and Spider Man together.
Speaker 2: I guess. I just feel like if.
Speaker 1: The reason I was kind of hoping a street level
is if we got so much big stuff going on
with Doomsday and secret Wars, like let him just have
one adventure and then get him into the Avengers, I
feel like it's gonna be weird of like, Okay, he's
in Doomsday and he's fighting Doom, and then okay, then
he goes and fights Nol And I guess maybe though
if maybe that's what happens, like doom doctor Duomake throws
him to like a null planet and just like maybe
that's out end the end credited Spierman on like the
symbial planet or something, right, I don't know, so maybe
there is wasys. Again, it just does not excite for
me at all. But I just think Disney and Sony,
but it's particular Disney. I think they are looking into
money and who knows, maybe there's a situation where they
wanted to do that three Spider Men one and to
like Toby and Andrew like actually don't want to do
it again, or they want to save it for Secret
Wars because that was a room just the Toby and
Jackman stuff back there.
Speaker 2: They're like, well, they want to make.
Speaker 1: Something meaningful, meaningful, a connection, not just like a cameo scene.
Speaker 2: So that's good.
Speaker 1: So yeah, for me, I'm not a fan of this all,
especially because like mister negative, I was really I pitched
that last week. I think there's some money to be
had there, especially with the director. I think we could
have had some great times there. And again they even
this report from the Scooper said, like it's not that
this street level movie is dead. It just might be
down the line, but I just feel like now it's
like far from home.
Speaker 2: No way home.
Speaker 1: And then if this is like him fighting a symbio planet,
it's like, I don't know if you can go back anymore.
I think if you were gonna go back, this is
the time, like it's a refresh, you know, like it
doesn't say the mind wipe. It's a new Spiderman in
a sense. But if it's just like, oh, he's right
back to on a different planet, it's like, I don't
think we can ever go back, and I don't think
we're gonna get that movie. I think they'll have Daredevil
team it with like maybe Elena or Hawkey, but the
Spiderman boat might be missed and I guess they just
don't view that way and which sucks. But uh yeah,
and the trailer is whatever it is. It's a Vanom movie.
It'll be what it is. It'll be like a solid
four to five out of ten, and that'll be about it.
Speaker 2: I think Noel will be in this movie, like at
least more than the Madam websuits, but I feel like
he's gonna have like it's all gonna be sequel bait. Stuff.
Speaker 1: They might say it's the last dance, but I think
it's gonna be setting up other stuff. And I don't
like love the nol character or like have the appreciation
like Kirkland does.
Speaker 2: But I was with him.
Speaker 1: I like, man, I really don't want him them to
do this right now because I just don't trust Sony.
But it's kind of like, what can you do now, Venom, right,
you've done carnage, you like, unless he's new Spider Man.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm not I'm really hoping this isn't true.
Speaker 1: But that was the other part of this rhumatory I
didn't mention, but it just goes with it there that
this is suppose they're looking at it as like an
Avengers type of film, and that's where it's like that
also makes sense too of why that if Diston was
gonna do Avengers four and that was a massive movie, Well,
we're gonna make Spiermen for massive, so let's get Destin
because he's a Spiderman fan, he would do that, and
it does that would be massive movie is Venom and
Spiderman fighting the Cymbia God and the planet.
Speaker 2: But that just does not sound peeling to me at all.
So he wants to do a Venom.
Speaker 1: Fine, let that be Venom four, Make Venom four, make
them go to the Simul planet. Cool, but I don't
really want one of Tom hart Holand's like Spider Man
appearances be wasted this way. But again, it's for money,
so it's like what we talk about Lord of Rings
last week. Right then it all works out, So Taylor,
the floor is yours for the last topic of the night.
Speaker 5: Here.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm not I'm not big on the crossover idea
of having this Venom mingle with Tom Hardy Spider Man.
That's not Tom Hardy Spider Man, Tom Hollands Spider Man.
Speaker 3: Tom Holland's Venom. Give you that, now, that would be cool,
that'd be cool.
Speaker 4: I pictured like more Spider Man three though, with fucking
Eric Foreman.
Speaker 5: Dancing.
Speaker 6: I just I wish that they would keep them separate.
I think that, you know, Sony is really trying to
push push, push, and it's just like, no, no, no,
we don't need that.
Speaker 2: So I think what if it's not. What if he's like, yeah,
that sounds great. We can make a lot of money.
Speaker 6: You know, I don't think you should have Sony right
it then I think you should have.
Speaker 1: They wouldn't not ask not Sperman four. It would probably
be like a combo. I think they would be because
the writers for spider Man four is the writers from
the original trilogy here.
Speaker 2: So okay, then yeah, I like that a lot.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's that's good bearings. Then I I think, so
Nall is going to be the rumor being Nall is
the villain in this new Venom movie. Obviously he's not
going to be defeated. They're just sitting the stage and
sound right. Yeah, okay, yeah, so that would be I mean,
it'd be interesting. I don't know anything about Nall. He
does sound like a very kind of cool.
Speaker 2: I like that.
Speaker 6: I don't like the CGI from the Venom movies, though,
I feel like it's very different from the MCU CGI,
So it would be interesting to see how they kind
of mesh those two together. I feel like Sony just
kind of Now Marvel obviously does do a lot of CGI,
but so log trucks Sony's CGI with at least with
Venom their Marvel Verse movies. It feels like it has
its own aesthetic to it, and I don't like it.
It feels like it's it's really like you can tell
it cgi at least with Marvel, there's that's a nice
kind of better visualization, Like it feels better on my eyes,
and I'm looking at it like it's it tricks my
brain a little bit more, and I can respect that
and take it. When I look at the purple the
red colors of Morbius and uh and fucking Damon Targarian there,
It's just it's something else. So uh, yeah, I I I.
I'm excited for this, this new movie though, believe it
or not, and this will probably be the first Venom movie.
I joined you guys for with for reviews because I
wasn't there for the other two. So I'll be there
for the non spoilers review.
Speaker 5: Was Karna is just a Kirkland Travis review?
Speaker 2: Little Two Men was Yeah.
Speaker 3: Do we see it together?
Speaker 6: I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't think no.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: I saw it with Gwen. That was like her first
live action Marvel movie. Unfortunately, but tayloran that's cruel.
Speaker 2: She wanted to go, she wanted to go, she chose it.
Toy said, you'll be there for the non spoilers review.
So when we switch away Spoilser's gonna bounce out.
Speaker 3: Made plans that even he's like, I got fifteen minutes,
give me.
Speaker 1: My thoughts, and then that of here. Yeah, no, that'll
be in October. It's kind of weird, like I don't
think about that way. But we got Joker in Venom
in October. Like that's two big movies, but I just
don't think.
Speaker 5: About it because the bigger box office.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'll just say Joker, but you never know.
You never know.
Speaker 1: Well, Jo, that is it. I don't think we'll be
back next week. You never know what could break. But
in speaking of that, we will be back in two weeks.
We'll do a Joker of Prediction. We'll hopefully finally do
the BS meter. I do have draft updates as well,
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