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I hope you've had a quick week. 49 00:02:56.360 --> 00:02:58.000 We're having a mix a guest line though before you, 50 00:02:58.080 --> 00:03:01.400 but as always, want to start by by if you've 51 00:03:01.400 --> 00:03:03.240 had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, 52 00:03:03.759 --> 00:03:05.159 shoot me an email you and get me at Brian 53 00:03:05.199 --> 00:03:07.240 at Paranormalworldproductions dot com. 54 00:03:07.360 --> 00:03:09.439 Get head over to the website, check out the blog, 55 00:03:09.719 --> 00:03:11.199 become a member there and help. 56 00:03:11.199 --> 00:03:15.120 Support the show. I got to sit down and talk 57 00:03:15.159 --> 00:03:19.280 to Jimmy Aiken. He is a podcaster and he does 58 00:03:19.560 --> 00:03:22.319 quite a few shows on so many different topics, but 59 00:03:22.439 --> 00:03:26.719 we had Jimmy on to talk specifically about Bigfoot, his theories, 60 00:03:26.759 --> 00:03:29.879 where he was on Bigfoot, where he is now. It 61 00:03:29.919 --> 00:03:31.800 was a great conversation. I think you guys will really 62 00:03:31.879 --> 00:03:33.840 enjoy it. I've got a link to Jimmy's website so 63 00:03:33.879 --> 00:03:36.159 you can check out his stuff here after the interview. 64 00:03:36.159 --> 00:03:39.159 I think you will enjoy this conversation as much as 65 00:03:39.360 --> 00:03:42.120 I did. So without further ado, let's get to it. 66 00:03:42.199 --> 00:03:43.960 Jimmy's on the line, he's ready to go. 67 00:03:44.240 --> 00:03:46.800 All that's left for you to do is sit back, relax, 68 00:03:47.240 --> 00:04:00.719 and enjoy the show. 69 00:04:08.080 --> 00:04:09.919 Lord to welcome our guest to the show. It is 70 00:04:10.199 --> 00:04:13.120 Jimmy Aiken. Welcome to the show, sir, Thank you very much. 71 00:04:13.159 --> 00:04:15.439 It's my pleasure to be here. I am glad to 72 00:04:15.439 --> 00:04:17.439 have you. I saw you for the first time over 73 00:04:17.600 --> 00:04:20.879 on the Untold Radio Network with Alex and Doug Hijack. 74 00:04:21.000 --> 00:04:23.920 I was finding what you guys were talking about very interesting. 75 00:04:23.959 --> 00:04:25.399 You guys were talking about a lot of stuff in 76 00:04:25.439 --> 00:04:28.879 the beginning of the show, and then Bigfoot towards the end. Obviously, 77 00:04:29.399 --> 00:04:31.879 this is sasquatch odyssees. We're going to turn it around 78 00:04:31.879 --> 00:04:34.879 and do the Bigfoot stuff first. Today let's talk a 79 00:04:34.879 --> 00:04:38.040 little bit about what got you interested in the subject 80 00:04:38.079 --> 00:04:41.360 of Bigfoot in the paranormal. To begin with, I grew. 81 00:04:41.199 --> 00:04:44.040 Up in the nineteen seventies, and back then there was 82 00:04:44.240 --> 00:04:49.079 lots and lots of TV documentaries about the paranormal, including Bigfoot, 83 00:04:49.480 --> 00:04:52.240 so I watched all those. I thought it was very fascinating. 84 00:04:52.319 --> 00:04:55.319 The legend of Boggie Creek came out. Then they had 85 00:04:55.360 --> 00:04:58.439 shows like Leonard dee Moy's In Search of and Art, 86 00:04:58.439 --> 00:04:59.160 some of Arthur C. 87 00:04:59.279 --> 00:04:59.920 Clark shows. 88 00:05:00.319 --> 00:05:03.040 I've had an interest in the paranormal for a long time, 89 00:05:03.560 --> 00:05:05.639 and I work with a podcast. Note I do a 90 00:05:05.639 --> 00:05:08.120 bunch of podcasts, but I work some of them are 91 00:05:08.160 --> 00:05:11.560 with a group called Stark West, which is a podcast 92 00:05:11.600 --> 00:05:14.639 in network. I'm on the board there, and six years 93 00:05:14.639 --> 00:05:19.199 ago we were revitalizing our podcast line at Stark West. 94 00:05:19.839 --> 00:05:22.920 I said I could do a show based on mysteries. 95 00:05:23.519 --> 00:05:27.040 They immediately lit up, it got green lighted. It's called 96 00:05:27.120 --> 00:05:32.560 Jimmy Aiken's Mysterious World. We look at scientific mysteries, historical mysteries, 97 00:05:32.639 --> 00:05:38.600 true crime, paranormal, psychic stuff, UFOs, Bigfoot, everything. Unlike a 98 00:05:38.600 --> 00:05:42.079 lot of mystery based podcasts, we actually try to solve 99 00:05:42.160 --> 00:05:45.720 the mysteries to the extent possible. We don't just generate 100 00:05:45.879 --> 00:05:50.079 wonder and imagine what we actually we give the background 101 00:05:50.079 --> 00:05:52.040 on the mystery. Then we look at it from the 102 00:05:52.079 --> 00:05:54.399 twin perspectives of faith and reason and we say what 103 00:05:54.439 --> 00:05:56.800 would reason tell us about this? And what would the 104 00:05:56.879 --> 00:06:00.040 Christian faiths say about it? If anything, It's become the 105 00:06:00.079 --> 00:06:02.480 most popular network on the show. We're a top twenty 106 00:06:02.600 --> 00:06:05.560 documentary podcast on Apple Podcasts in the US, and we 107 00:06:05.680 --> 00:06:08.360 estimate we've got more than two hundred thousand lesseners a week. 108 00:06:08.839 --> 00:06:11.800 That is awesome. You are speaking my language from one 109 00:06:12.160 --> 00:06:16.680 multiple podcast host to another. I certainly appreciate the work 110 00:06:16.680 --> 00:06:19.160 that goes into just doing one show on a regular 111 00:06:19.199 --> 00:06:22.240 basis and doing it well, but to do multiple podcasts 112 00:06:22.319 --> 00:06:25.120 is a ton of work. So you and I definitely 113 00:06:25.199 --> 00:06:27.480 have to have a conversation about that offline. Nobody tunes 114 00:06:27.480 --> 00:06:30.160 in to hear me talk about podcasting. I go down 115 00:06:30.199 --> 00:06:32.199 that road sometimes because I love it so much. But 116 00:06:32.240 --> 00:06:34.560 we're going to stick to the Bigfoot stuff. Let's get 117 00:06:34.560 --> 00:06:37.360 into the Bigfoot thing. I know you and I were 118 00:06:37.360 --> 00:06:39.279 talking before we went on the air, and you've had 119 00:06:39.279 --> 00:06:43.600 a change in feeling about Bigfoot. I'm going through that myself, 120 00:06:43.600 --> 00:06:45.360 and we can certainly get into some of that today. 121 00:06:46.240 --> 00:06:49.240 Talk about where you started with Bigfoot, where were you 122 00:06:49.399 --> 00:06:52.240 on some of the evidence that you were seeing, and 123 00:06:52.319 --> 00:06:55.800 where did you go from where you started and where 124 00:06:55.800 --> 00:06:56.639 you've ended up now. 125 00:06:57.600 --> 00:07:00.839 Yeah, before I did Mysterious World, I didn't really have 126 00:07:00.920 --> 00:07:05.160 any settled opinions about Bigfoot. I was somewhat skeptical but open, 127 00:07:05.199 --> 00:07:07.360 and of course I'd love Bigfoot to be real. That 128 00:07:07.399 --> 00:07:11.519 would be massively awesome. I decided early on. In fact, 129 00:07:11.600 --> 00:07:14.120 it was Bigfoot was our third episode six years ago. 130 00:07:14.160 --> 00:07:16.160 We just had our sixth anniversary, so it was six 131 00:07:16.240 --> 00:07:19.040 years ago. One of the things I do as a 132 00:07:19.040 --> 00:07:23.000 matter of self discipline when I write Mysterious worldscripts is 133 00:07:23.040 --> 00:07:26.199 I forced myself to have a bottom line. So at 134 00:07:26.240 --> 00:07:28.680 the end of every episode, my co host Don Bettnelli 135 00:07:28.720 --> 00:07:30.560 will ask me, so, Jimmy, what's your bottom line on 136 00:07:30.600 --> 00:07:33.040 this mystery, and I'll give a summary of my opinions. 137 00:07:33.480 --> 00:07:35.319 That way, I hold myself accountable. 138 00:07:35.439 --> 00:07:36.120 I don't just. 139 00:07:36.199 --> 00:07:41.560 Let things drift with no conclusion. I was fairly skeptical. 140 00:07:42.040 --> 00:07:44.959 I was still open, but fairly skeptical of the existence 141 00:07:45.000 --> 00:07:48.199 of Bigfoot. In episode three. Looking back, I would say 142 00:07:48.279 --> 00:07:51.079 that was due to a couple of factors. One of 143 00:07:51.120 --> 00:07:53.639 them is I was just starting out, and I hadn't 144 00:07:53.680 --> 00:07:56.800 done a lot of organized research, and some of. 145 00:07:56.759 --> 00:07:58.600 The data I got was bad. 146 00:07:59.279 --> 00:08:02.839 It was I thought that, oh, the Patterson Gimlin film 147 00:08:02.920 --> 00:08:06.000 is just definitely a hoax, and here's this guy who 148 00:08:06.040 --> 00:08:08.120 claimed to make the costume for it, and here's this 149 00:08:08.120 --> 00:08:10.360 guy who claimed to be in the costume, and that 150 00:08:10.480 --> 00:08:13.519 just settled the matter for me. I later learned as 151 00:08:13.560 --> 00:08:16.600 I did more research that actually, there's a much better 152 00:08:16.720 --> 00:08:19.879 case to be made for the Patterson Gimlin film than 153 00:08:19.920 --> 00:08:22.319 what I had been led to believe, because in addition 154 00:08:22.439 --> 00:08:26.920 to Bigfoot hoaxers people who hoax Bigfoot, there are also 155 00:08:27.079 --> 00:08:32.360 Bigfoot hoax hoaxers who hoax hoaxes about Bigfoot and claim 156 00:08:32.399 --> 00:08:37.519 responsibility for things that they weren't really responsible for. So 157 00:08:38.519 --> 00:08:42.159 that opened the door a bit. I also read Jeff 158 00:08:42.159 --> 00:08:47.000 Mildram's book Sasquatch, which I was very impressed by, not 159 00:08:47.039 --> 00:08:49.799 only his discussion of the Patterson Gimlin film, but a 160 00:08:49.840 --> 00:08:53.600 lot of other evidence for Bigfoot. That has led me 161 00:08:53.759 --> 00:08:57.360 to be more open to Bigfoot than I used to be. 162 00:08:57.840 --> 00:09:01.679 But there's still arguments against Bigfoot that I have to 163 00:09:01.720 --> 00:09:04.200 take seriously. But now I'm in a position where I 164 00:09:04.240 --> 00:09:08.799 see more positive evidence for Bigfoot than I was previously 165 00:09:08.840 --> 00:09:12.480 aware of. So I'm not convinced that Bigfoot is real, 166 00:09:12.679 --> 00:09:15.679 but I'm more open to it than I was. Let's 167 00:09:15.720 --> 00:09:17.159 talk a little bit about some of the evidence. 168 00:09:17.200 --> 00:09:21.080 You mentioned The Patterson Gimlin film from the nineties. The 169 00:09:21.120 --> 00:09:24.279 Freeman stuff comes to mind, Paul Freeman. For me, that 170 00:09:24.360 --> 00:09:27.399 footage is probably number two as far as I'm concerned 171 00:09:27.440 --> 00:09:31.759 in the Bigfoot world of looking at film in particular video. 172 00:09:32.360 --> 00:09:34.799 How did you feel about the Patterson Gimlin film. Obviously 173 00:09:34.879 --> 00:09:37.879 you thought it was probably a hoax, but you read 174 00:09:38.039 --> 00:09:42.240 Sasquatch Legend Me Science by Jeff Meldrum. I've read his book. 175 00:09:42.279 --> 00:09:45.440 It's on my shelf. Now I've watched that documentary. I 176 00:09:45.519 --> 00:09:48.240 know that Doug is working on Legend Meet Science too. 177 00:09:48.399 --> 00:09:50.120 They're actually supposed to be coming out here at some 178 00:09:50.159 --> 00:09:52.639 point in time in North Carolina to interview me for 179 00:09:52.759 --> 00:09:54.799 Legend Meet Science too, So I'm excited to see what 180 00:09:54.799 --> 00:09:57.879 they're doing as far as that documentary. But i know 181 00:09:58.000 --> 00:10:00.919 for me, the Patterson Gimli film has been one of 182 00:10:00.960 --> 00:10:03.519 those things that has been such a journey that it's 183 00:10:03.559 --> 00:10:05.600 not a straight road for me. It's been more like 184 00:10:05.639 --> 00:10:08.200 a zigzag. When it comes to the Patterson Gimlin film, 185 00:10:08.320 --> 00:10:10.519 I'm a very skeptical person when it comes to Bigfoot 186 00:10:10.559 --> 00:10:13.759 as well. For me, the Patterson Gimlin film is one 187 00:10:13.799 --> 00:10:17.480 of those things that immediately I saw it and I thought, Wow, 188 00:10:17.799 --> 00:10:20.720 that's crazy. Then you get deeper into it and you 189 00:10:20.799 --> 00:10:24.159 see some of the enhanced footage. People have done a 190 00:10:24.200 --> 00:10:27.200 ton of work to enhance that stuff. Bill Muntz comes 191 00:10:27.200 --> 00:10:30.120 to mind. Obviously, MK Davis has got to be mentioned 192 00:10:30.159 --> 00:10:32.679 in that. And now even more recently, you've got this 193 00:10:32.759 --> 00:10:36.200 Todd Gatewood guy who's working on this film and doing 194 00:10:36.240 --> 00:10:39.559 some processes to enhance this footage. And when you see 195 00:10:39.600 --> 00:10:42.759 some of that stuff, it is fascinating to me. I still, 196 00:10:43.679 --> 00:10:47.000 fifty plus years later, can't look at that and say, man, 197 00:10:47.039 --> 00:10:50.799 that's definitely a Bigfoot, or man that's definitely Bob Eronymous 198 00:10:50.799 --> 00:10:54.120 in this suit. So how have you evolved over the years? 199 00:10:54.240 --> 00:10:56.039 What has changed your mind? Maybe it is just the 200 00:10:56.080 --> 00:10:58.919 Meldrum stuff. Has it been the foot Prance, has it 201 00:10:59.039 --> 00:11:01.600 been the gate What is it about the Patterson Gimlin 202 00:11:01.679 --> 00:11:05.080 film that has you leaning more toward that's possibly a 203 00:11:05.120 --> 00:11:07.360 sasquatch in not a manency. 204 00:11:07.919 --> 00:11:09.960 I think there are a few factors, and it didn't 205 00:11:10.000 --> 00:11:12.200 just Jeff Meldrum. He played a big role in it, 206 00:11:12.240 --> 00:11:15.639 but there were others too. There's another podcast called Astonishing Legends, 207 00:11:15.759 --> 00:11:19.320 and they are famous for deep dives. They will do 208 00:11:19.480 --> 00:11:22.919 multiple hours of multiple episodes looking at a single thing, 209 00:11:23.679 --> 00:11:26.360 and I totalled it up once. They did several episodes 210 00:11:26.360 --> 00:11:29.840 devoted a whole odyssey on the Patterson Gimblin film. They 211 00:11:29.879 --> 00:11:32.720 looked at it from every conceivable angle, and I think 212 00:11:32.759 --> 00:11:36.279 the whole thing came to either eleven or thirteen hours 213 00:11:36.639 --> 00:11:39.639 of content just on the Patterson Gimblin film, and I 214 00:11:39.679 --> 00:11:43.759 listened to the whole thing. There are a variety of factors. 215 00:11:44.399 --> 00:11:47.879 One of them, though, I think, is obvious even before 216 00:11:47.919 --> 00:11:50.720 you look at the details. It's evident from the film 217 00:11:50.759 --> 00:11:55.840 itself that the creature in the film is female because 218 00:11:55.879 --> 00:11:59.879 it's got breasts. That's something that you wouldn't expect a 219 00:12:00.120 --> 00:12:05.120 hoax her to do. You would expect that they would 220 00:12:05.480 --> 00:12:08.879 if someone who was building a suit to get into 221 00:12:09.200 --> 00:12:12.960 and hoax the Patterson Gimblin film, you would expect them 222 00:12:13.320 --> 00:12:16.720 to make a male Bigfoot because people don't think of 223 00:12:16.759 --> 00:12:19.480 female bigfoots very often in the bigfoot community. 224 00:12:19.519 --> 00:12:21.080 They do, but this was. 225 00:12:21.039 --> 00:12:25.120 Back in the late nineteen sixties. The imagery and iconography 226 00:12:25.200 --> 00:12:29.840 connected with Bigfoot didn't really focus on females. So the 227 00:12:29.960 --> 00:12:33.799 fact that Patty, as she's called in the film, is female, 228 00:12:34.679 --> 00:12:39.000 that's already something that would tend to weigh in favor 229 00:12:39.039 --> 00:12:42.960 of this not being a hoax. Also, if you think 230 00:12:42.960 --> 00:12:47.559 about the behavior of the creature in the film, it 231 00:12:47.639 --> 00:12:50.679 walks across their field of vision, it turns and looks 232 00:12:50.720 --> 00:12:53.639 at him, and then it keeps walking off. If big 233 00:12:53.679 --> 00:12:57.399 feet are so secretive that they just do not want 234 00:12:57.440 --> 00:13:01.399 to be seen under any circumstances, and then why would 235 00:13:01.399 --> 00:13:05.759 it behave that way. A plausible explanation is that it's 236 00:13:05.799 --> 00:13:11.039 a distraction because females who are caring for offspring will 237 00:13:11.120 --> 00:13:15.559 frequently act in a way that is more obvious in 238 00:13:15.679 --> 00:13:20.399 order to keep potential dangers and predators away from their offspring. 239 00:13:21.360 --> 00:13:23.639 So this is not a strong argument to me, but 240 00:13:23.679 --> 00:13:27.720 it's a notable argument that the behavior of the creature 241 00:13:27.840 --> 00:13:32.240 in the film could be explained for an otherwise very 242 00:13:32.279 --> 00:13:37.200 secretive creature. If she's protecting her offspring by acting in 243 00:13:37.240 --> 00:13:41.399 a more obvious way and drawing attention to herself deliberately, 244 00:13:41.480 --> 00:13:45.200 not getting too close, but drawing attention to herself deliberately 245 00:13:45.240 --> 00:13:48.919 in order to distract Patterson Gimlin from wherever her child 246 00:13:49.039 --> 00:13:52.960 or children were. So that's some kind of obvious level 247 00:13:53.000 --> 00:14:00.799 stuff in terms of what I subsequently learned. One thing that, Oh, also, 248 00:14:00.840 --> 00:14:03.639 it would be weird for Bob Hyronymous or any similar 249 00:14:03.679 --> 00:14:05.720 man to get into a female suit and do that. 250 00:14:05.720 --> 00:14:10.279 That would be counterintuitive for a man in the nineteen sixties. 251 00:14:11.159 --> 00:14:16.360 But among things I learned later about the film, our 252 00:14:16.399 --> 00:14:22.159 costume in technology was not really that advanced. In nineteen 253 00:14:22.240 --> 00:14:24.759 sixty eight, we had Planet of the Apes, we had 254 00:14:24.759 --> 00:14:29.399 two thousand and one, and in neither of those are 255 00:14:29.440 --> 00:14:33.320 the ape costumes as advanced as what appears to be 256 00:14:33.399 --> 00:14:36.879 the case in the Patterson Gimlin film. It's a little 257 00:14:36.960 --> 00:14:40.440 hard to say that with one hundred percent confidence. People 258 00:14:40.480 --> 00:14:42.279 will say, you can see the muscles. 259 00:14:41.960 --> 00:14:43.080 Ripplin under the fur. 260 00:14:43.600 --> 00:14:46.279 Okay, maybe I'm not one hundred percent sold on that 261 00:14:46.320 --> 00:14:49.240 because of how worried it is, but it doesn't look 262 00:14:49.360 --> 00:14:53.080 like the kind of costumes that were available even by 263 00:14:53.120 --> 00:14:56.960 Hollywood costume makers in the late nineteen sixties. This is 264 00:14:57.000 --> 00:14:59.000 one of the things that astonished and legends covered. They 265 00:14:59.039 --> 00:15:02.200 actually interviewed Hollywood costume makers about this and they said, yeah, 266 00:15:02.200 --> 00:15:02.840 we couldn't do that. 267 00:15:02.919 --> 00:15:06.879 Then stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see. We'll 268 00:15:06.919 --> 00:15:08.799 be right back after these messages. 269 00:15:12.159 --> 00:15:16.159 So I think that is impressive. Of course, the gate 270 00:15:17.039 --> 00:15:21.639 of the creature is notable. Partially That argument, though, is 271 00:15:21.679 --> 00:15:25.240 dependent on the frame rate at which the film was shot, 272 00:15:25.720 --> 00:15:28.159 because if you put it at a certain frame rate, 273 00:15:28.200 --> 00:15:30.279 it looks pretty normal, It looks like a person just 274 00:15:30.360 --> 00:15:34.080 walking along. But apparently there's evidence that it was not 275 00:15:34.240 --> 00:15:38.279 shot at that frame rate, and therefore, when you put 276 00:15:38.320 --> 00:15:40.720 it at the frame rate it apparently was shot at, 277 00:15:40.879 --> 00:15:43.679 it does not look like a natural human gait. So 278 00:15:43.759 --> 00:15:46.799 there's a variety of different factors that are at play there, 279 00:15:47.399 --> 00:15:48.960 but those are some of the ones that come to 280 00:15:49.039 --> 00:15:52.960 my mind. I've gone into it so far, so deep 281 00:15:53.000 --> 00:15:56.120 down the rabbit hole. On the PG film, I interviewed 282 00:15:56.240 --> 00:15:59.440 MK Davis and Todd Gate. Would it was months and 283 00:15:59.480 --> 00:16:01.480 months ago, have been towards the end of last year, 284 00:16:01.519 --> 00:16:04.480 and that's one of the things. Todd Gatewood actually has 285 00:16:05.159 --> 00:16:09.080 not the camera but the exact model camera that was 286 00:16:09.200 --> 00:16:13.000 used by Patterson to film that film. Even showed me 287 00:16:13.080 --> 00:16:16.960 picked it up and showed where the default rate was 288 00:16:17.039 --> 00:16:19.480 on that you would have to physically change the rate 289 00:16:19.519 --> 00:16:21.879 at which you were shooting the film. It just didn't 290 00:16:21.879 --> 00:16:24.559 make sense of the counterintuitive So that kind of cleared 291 00:16:24.639 --> 00:16:27.159 up the gate question for me. But one of the 292 00:16:27.159 --> 00:16:29.000 things that you brought up is interesting to me, and 293 00:16:29.000 --> 00:16:30.480 I've had this conversation with several people. 294 00:16:30.519 --> 00:16:33.639 Doug Hichek comes to mind. Not the Frameman footage, for example. 295 00:16:34.120 --> 00:16:38.320 He believes that's a postpartum female in the Frameman footage. 296 00:16:38.720 --> 00:16:43.159 Obviously Patty is female. There's been other incidents. William Rowe 297 00:16:43.200 --> 00:16:46.440 incident from ten years before the Patterson Gimlin film comes 298 00:16:46.440 --> 00:16:48.080 to mind. That's one of the things I've went back 299 00:16:48.080 --> 00:16:50.879 and forth on too, because some people say it's odd 300 00:16:51.000 --> 00:16:54.519 that you would fake a female Bigfoot Devil's Advocate. I'd 301 00:16:54.559 --> 00:16:57.639 say if Patterson was interested, and he was clearly interested 302 00:16:57.720 --> 00:17:01.279 in the William Row incident because wrote his book and 303 00:17:01.320 --> 00:17:04.920 he featured the William Row incident with a drawing of 304 00:17:04.960 --> 00:17:07.880 what William Rowe reportedly saw and what he put in 305 00:17:07.920 --> 00:17:12.319 his affidavit. So it's interesting that to me, I get 306 00:17:12.319 --> 00:17:14.839 into conversations with people I had a PhD on the 307 00:17:14.839 --> 00:17:18.319 show a couple of times. Now, Doctor Hogan Chirou, he's 308 00:17:18.319 --> 00:17:21.720 got a PhD in primatology. He studied gorillaz. He studied 309 00:17:21.799 --> 00:17:23.720 chimpanzees in the wild. As a matter of fact, the 310 00:17:23.759 --> 00:17:25.519 last time I had him on the show, just a 311 00:17:25.519 --> 00:17:27.240 month or so ago, he was headed back over to 312 00:17:27.279 --> 00:17:29.480 Africa with his daughter to go back out into the 313 00:17:29.519 --> 00:17:33.920 wild and interact with gorillas. So he knows his primates. 314 00:17:34.240 --> 00:17:36.640 And one of the conversations that he and I got 315 00:17:36.640 --> 00:17:41.519 into was something similar about apes. For example, there's no 316 00:17:41.720 --> 00:17:45.200 great apes that we know that have these big, pendulous 317 00:17:45.240 --> 00:17:48.559 breasts like we see on Patty, So that was something 318 00:17:48.559 --> 00:17:51.559 that stuck out to me. But of course I go to, 319 00:17:51.799 --> 00:17:54.759 if sasquatch is something different that we've never seen before, 320 00:17:55.119 --> 00:17:57.720 how do we know that they're not closer to human beings? 321 00:17:57.720 --> 00:17:59.079 And that would explain. 322 00:17:58.720 --> 00:18:01.359 That, in fact, they have to be closer to humans 323 00:18:01.400 --> 00:18:05.279 because sasquatch is fully by pedal. No other great apes 324 00:18:05.319 --> 00:18:08.359 are fully by pedal. Chimpanzees walk on their knuckles most 325 00:18:08.359 --> 00:18:10.599 of the time. Gorillas walk on their knuckles most of 326 00:18:10.640 --> 00:18:13.599 the time. But in the Patterson Giveland film, and according 327 00:18:13.640 --> 00:18:16.279 to lots of reports, sasquatch is fully by pedal the 328 00:18:16.359 --> 00:18:20.119 way we are, and that shifts the way you carry yourself. 329 00:18:20.119 --> 00:18:23.319 It shifts the shape of your spine, and that's going 330 00:18:23.359 --> 00:18:26.160 to have an effect on what your breasts look like, 331 00:18:26.680 --> 00:18:27.720 among other things. 332 00:18:28.279 --> 00:18:31.240 Very good point. You mentioned it earlier, and I certainly 333 00:18:31.279 --> 00:18:33.720 want to weighe into this a little bit. You talked 334 00:18:33.720 --> 00:18:38.640 about some arguments for and against the existence of sasquatch. Again, 335 00:18:38.680 --> 00:18:40.559 that was one of the conversations that I got into 336 00:18:40.640 --> 00:18:43.839 with doctor Hogan Chiau. He makes very good points about 337 00:18:44.680 --> 00:18:48.359 why he believed that sasquatch don't exist. I disagree with 338 00:18:48.400 --> 00:18:51.079 most of those. So let's see where you and I 339 00:18:51.160 --> 00:18:53.680 cross paths and where we agree, maybe in disagree on 340 00:18:53.720 --> 00:18:56.680 some of the arguments for and against. Start wherever you want, 341 00:18:57.039 --> 00:18:59.000 but talk a little bit about where you feel the 342 00:18:59.119 --> 00:19:03.119 arguments or the possible existence of these creatures are, and 343 00:19:03.319 --> 00:19:07.240 what about the arguments against their existence? Okay, why don't 344 00:19:07.279 --> 00:19:11.640 we start with arguments against and then move to arguments for. 345 00:19:12.519 --> 00:19:17.559 To me, there's one major argument against the existence of 346 00:19:18.079 --> 00:19:22.480 sasquatch in North America. Now, there are loads of cryptids 347 00:19:22.519 --> 00:19:24.680 in the world. There are loads of creatures that are 348 00:19:24.680 --> 00:19:28.599 not known to science, but the vast majority of them 349 00:19:28.720 --> 00:19:29.480 are small. 350 00:19:30.359 --> 00:19:33.680 I'll put it this way. They're either small or they 351 00:19:33.799 --> 00:19:36.920 live in an area where humans don't go. They may 352 00:19:36.960 --> 00:19:40.519 be underwater. Humans don't live underwater, so there can be 353 00:19:40.559 --> 00:19:45.319 bigger creatures down underwater. Similarly, they're in parts of the 354 00:19:45.319 --> 00:19:48.640 world where there's not much human habitation, there can be 355 00:19:48.720 --> 00:19:53.119 bigger creatures there. They periodically discover new species of taper 356 00:19:53.279 --> 00:19:57.839 and things like that are larger size animals, but most 357 00:19:57.880 --> 00:20:03.359 of the creatures that remain undiscovered science are tiny. They're insects. 358 00:20:03.559 --> 00:20:06.640 Maybe they're the size of lizards or things like that, 359 00:20:06.720 --> 00:20:10.000 but they're not bigger than human. If you're going to 360 00:20:10.079 --> 00:20:13.599 propose a bigger than human thing, you would expect to 361 00:20:13.640 --> 00:20:18.319 find it either underwater or in a wilderness where there 362 00:20:18.359 --> 00:20:21.119 are no humans. So if you wanted to say there's 363 00:20:21.200 --> 00:20:24.440 a great ape that's larger than a human, now I'm 364 00:20:24.480 --> 00:20:28.119 talking here, I'm assuming Bigfoot is just a primate, not 365 00:20:28.160 --> 00:20:32.319 a supernatural creature. If he's a supernatural creature, all bets 366 00:20:32.359 --> 00:20:35.079 are off, and I don't know how to evaluate it 367 00:20:35.599 --> 00:20:38.519 if he's a supernatural creature. But assuming he's a primate, 368 00:20:38.799 --> 00:20:41.319 if you wanted to say, there's a larger than human 369 00:20:41.440 --> 00:20:45.680 undiscovered primate in Nepal, the roof of the world as 370 00:20:45.720 --> 00:20:50.480 it's called, or to bet or up in the Himalayas, Okay, 371 00:20:50.519 --> 00:20:52.599 there's not a lot of people there, so I could 372 00:20:52.599 --> 00:20:56.400 imagine one being undiscovered to science. The locals might see it, 373 00:20:56.880 --> 00:20:59.880 but I can imagine why scientists wouldn't have a vouchers best, 374 00:21:00.519 --> 00:21:04.640 which is what you typically need in order to have 375 00:21:04.680 --> 00:21:08.359 a scientific discovery. So that all could make sense to me. 376 00:21:08.440 --> 00:21:11.359 But North America is a whole different kettle of fish. 377 00:21:11.759 --> 00:21:14.200 We have a lot more people here now. There are 378 00:21:14.359 --> 00:21:18.240 big tracks of wilderness in the United States and in Canada. 379 00:21:18.359 --> 00:21:20.640 I've been through some of those, and yeah, there's big 380 00:21:20.640 --> 00:21:23.559 open spaces people who live in the eastern half of 381 00:21:23.599 --> 00:21:26.319 the United States. That's where most of our population is, 382 00:21:27.720 --> 00:21:32.279 the Atlantic and the Central time zones. Even here. I'm 383 00:21:32.319 --> 00:21:35.960 in Arkansas. I was driving to another town in Arkansas 384 00:21:36.000 --> 00:21:38.599 this weekend. I'm going through big stretches of open country 385 00:21:39.240 --> 00:21:41.960 up in those arc mountains without a lot of towns 386 00:21:41.960 --> 00:21:46.319 and with very small towns there, but still North America 387 00:21:46.359 --> 00:21:50.799 has a pretty big population, and it's a population with 388 00:21:50.839 --> 00:21:54.599 a lot of scientists. We have tons of scientists here, 389 00:21:55.400 --> 00:22:01.039 and we've got lots of Bigfoot watchers here, people looking 390 00:22:01.079 --> 00:22:06.440 for bigfoot, and we've got a lot of technology like 391 00:22:06.599 --> 00:22:10.920 camera traps things like that. So we've got loads of 392 00:22:10.920 --> 00:22:15.720 eyeballs both natural and artificial, looking for bigfoot in North 393 00:22:15.759 --> 00:22:20.880 America and it hadn't been discovered. We've got some alleged films, 394 00:22:20.920 --> 00:22:24.000 but I would think we would have more, because it's 395 00:22:24.000 --> 00:22:27.240 not just one that we're looking for. In order for 396 00:22:27.680 --> 00:22:31.240 a primate to survive, it isn't just one. 397 00:22:32.000 --> 00:22:32.839 If you've got. 398 00:22:32.640 --> 00:22:36.640 One primate, that species will last generation and then it'll 399 00:22:36.640 --> 00:22:39.519 all be gone. So what you really need is a 400 00:22:39.519 --> 00:22:43.039 breeding population. There have to be enough of them to 401 00:22:43.200 --> 00:22:46.960