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Speaker 1: Hope you want it, you can have it. All you

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gotta do is Joseph, beach out and grabot. Hope you

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want it, You can have it. All you got to

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do is joseh reach right out and grab it.

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Speaker 2: Step into your power. Always like beginning the bill lightenments

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with that song by rayl' montane, just because it's I

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don't know, it's just right there. Today is doctor rob

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Rice and doctor Scott McGinnis, both on the faculty of

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Saint John Fisher University, and we're going to talk about

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doctor Robb's book, which I love cliff notes, and I

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got to read the manuscript for this. And then when

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I was reading and I don't know, I assume I

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have a final and.

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Speaker 3: I give you the last one. I don't ask breakfast.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, what picture did they have on it? It's it's, uh,

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the guy with a dog in his back.

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Speaker 3: No, you you have you still have one of the proofs?

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Speaker 2: Okay, well the way it just changed and it opens

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up with you already on the cliff with the dog.

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It I gotta tell you, like, I got sweaty palms.

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I read that chapter twice on purpose because it was

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so I thought it was so well written, like I

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felt like I was there, I was getting anxious, I

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was getting and I go to read and have that

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that that's something.

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Speaker 4: I really appreciate that because it's uh, well, you actually

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were one of the people who really uh inspired me

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to keep going with some of that because this is

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a different kind of writing than I've done in the past.

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at Fisher where I can do this kind of writing

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because I enjoy it. And yes, but you know, prior

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to that, it was more scientific.

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Speaker 2: Writing and academia. Yeah, and even.

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Speaker 4: My first book was you know, to Train. You know,

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I came on this podcast to talk about it, to

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train therapists how to use video games and therapy, and

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so you know, each chapter in that book, I got

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to tell some case examples and talk about some stories

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from clinical work, and that felt really good, you know.

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But that you know, that was probably only a thirty

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percent of that book. Most of that book was more

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you know, research oriented and approach oriented. This book is

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more creative, and I was anxious about it, and so

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I really appreciate you reading it.

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Speaker 2: Because I loved it. I even love the like early

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on in the book where you talk about manifestation and

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how like today, I almost feel like it's become a buzzword.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm trying to think of a I don't like

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to use that word for that reason.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I know exactly what you're saying.

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Speaker 2: And in the book you even say like, because most

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of the time, what you're told to do, And I'm

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not sure I one hundred percent agree with this picture

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it as it's already done.

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Speaker 5: My thing would be go to the feeling you would

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have if you had that.

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Speaker 2: How would it feel if and then you just watch

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your whole mood and your vibration, I believe raise and

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so that helps. But you said in the book like

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it's already done in the future, you just got to

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get there.

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book and Michaelangelo talks or is it Michael talk about

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seeing the angel inside the marble and I'm just setting

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it free.

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Speaker 3: I'm so happy that you remember that.

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Speaker 2: That's so cool.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I mean it gets even weirder than that, right.

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We talk about the the doctor deep stuff and time

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as a you know, a form of energy but not

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necessarily something that we experience in the same way. And

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so yeah, time is a big one. You know, if

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we talk about time today, then well that could be

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a whole podcast.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. It is a very big one because

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I don't know, there's all kinds of things that are

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that'll change things. I've talked to a lot of people,

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a lot of people with like energy and stuff, and

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this as well. But indeed, I.

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Speaker 5: Think that I've been told like it's going.

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Speaker 2: To be a bumpy start, but it's going to be

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amazing when everything kind of comes out. Whatever that is.

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Speaker 4: I just love that you're doing this, Bill, It's so cool.

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Speaker 2: It's weird. Well, like you, I get afraid because I

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and I'm not doing that exactly yet, and I'm.

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Speaker 5: Like, well, how do I do it?

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Speaker 2: Just do it? Yeah, I think that's the biggest thing.

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and I'm sorry, We'll get back to the book. Oh pok,

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don't worry about it, but do hard things. And I

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know that that sounds kind of weird because it's supposed

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to be easy. But by pushing yourself a little bit,

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Speaker 4: Better and that's not even necessarily Well, that's your fault thing, right,

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Speaker 2: No, but that's your fault because I said to you

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the last time we were together, Uh, doctor Rice's daughter

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is was she the field hockey player of the year

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in our area? She was?

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Speaker 4: She was a Primetime five field hockey player of the year.

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Speaker 2: Okay, and you've made videos for and making those videos

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is take is time consuming and finding the clips and

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doing all that. You've written this book, you're working on

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another book. You're the head of your department at Saint

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John Fisher University. I go, where's the time? Oh?

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Speaker 5: And you have mind fit. Let's not forget that.

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Speaker 4: It's that's part of being an academic. You're supposed to

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do different stuff. It sounds impressive, but we've got a

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lot of time to able to do someone.

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Speaker 2: No, yes, it is impressive. Rights And I went, where

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do you find the time? And you said, well, I

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don't really watch TV. And I went, okay, you got

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to do hard. You just got to do it. Well.

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Speaker 4: I'm glad man happy for that. And we put some

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of that in your water this morning too. Yeah, I mean, honestly,

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it's I think that I often think, what if I

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couldn't do this right? How much would I want to

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be able to do this stuff? If I couldn't do

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it right? And so whatever, I'm kind of faced with

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resistance and I'm don't want to do one of these things.

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couldn't do this, Like what if I was I don't know,

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not that being a shoe salesman's all that bad. It's

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probably got its moments. But if I was a shoe

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salesman and I was dreaming about, you know, doing therapy

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how much would I want to do it if I

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Speaker 2: I think you'd want to do it a lot. I'm

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thinking two things. One I didn't have the camera where

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I'm thinking about if I was a shoe salesman, how

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bad some people's feet just smell like a bag of Frito's.

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Speaker 4: I just want to be they well, I just want

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to shooause the al Bundy and Mary children they used

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to you know, that was they made that the worst

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Speaker 2: Which somebody said, the two most famous shoes salesmen in history,

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Al Bundy and Michael Jordan.

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Speaker 3: That's fantastic.

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Speaker 2: So the what do you hope people take away from

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the book?

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Speaker 4: Cliff notes, I hope that So I'm hoping to appeal

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enjoy the adventure and the story is.

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Speaker 2: Get you get sweaty in that first chapter.

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Speaker 3: I got sweaty when I was up there, I can imagine.

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Speaker 4: And then the other thing I'm hoping is, you know,

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for some people who want to think about some other

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just consciousness and all the quantum stuff going on around us,

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and the power of gratitude in some of those things,

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things that were really poignant and important for me while

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I was up there and experienced that that story. I

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of those things. Right, So I cite some different books

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work by Larry Daci called One Mind. We talk about

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doctor Poto's work and beat Austin's work in water and

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water memory, and so on one hand, I'm hoping people

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just enjoy the story. I'm hoping maybe a percentage of

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those people say, oh, this is kind of interesting and

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look into some of the other work of those folks.

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Speaker 2: It's deeper than just a story, right, And I think

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that that you question. You said you were questioning your

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something that maybe six feet wide. I don't know.

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those moments, those scary moments, and you hear people who

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have had the near death experience. I don't know that

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that's exactly what that is, but damn close inches, I

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death experience, right, is I didn't actually die, right, And

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Speaker 4: You know, if you've ever been on top of a

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you know, this sense of awe being you know, that

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being part of something bigger has tremendous therapeutic effects. And

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but then they can.

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Speaker 2: Read your thoughts. She said, no, they can't, No one can.

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one of the things that I took, and I don't

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know if this was even a purpose, but I see you,

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doctor Rice, as a guy who's making hay while the

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sun shines. If that's fair to say. The idea of

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how the diabetes in your mind is almost a shot clock.

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for two reasons. One is she's going to sort of

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grow out of wanting to spend time with dad so much,

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and the other is I don't know how my body's

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going to be. And I think that that's amazing. I

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think that we should all think that way, because the

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journey ends, right, the journey ends at least here, and

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then where you go next it's different. But what what

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do you want to do while you're here?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: One of the things that we'll probably talk about, doctor

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the things he talked about during his last visit to

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the Saint John Fisher University was this idea of meditation

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and mindfulness not not being about completely being in the moment.

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you know where you've been, you know where you're going,

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and you're cognizant of everything that's around you in that moment,

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and I think that I don't know, I probably am

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trying to make hay while you know, while I can.

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a similar place in that regard. Right, get to a

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certain point in our life where it's it's.

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Speaker 2: Like I gotta go now.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought about it, right, like I am the

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resist like that yeah book right, the uh the war

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of Art, Ye, the War of Art, and that's resistance

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is so real it is right, and so.

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because uh, I had done it for a while and

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then stopped for a while, and then I saw you guys,

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and uh, Scott said, Doctor mcginney said to me, Uh.

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Speaker 3: We should do we should do first names any.

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Speaker 2: Scott, I don't know. I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I like, I just look at it this way.

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Speaker 2: You guys have done something I haven't done, and I

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think it should be recognized.

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Speaker 4: My students generally don't. Like I want my students to

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call me doctor Rice, But every once in a while,

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like once in a while they'll they'll say it, and

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I'm like, oh my god, you respect me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'll say that, get a doctor. It's a lot.

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I watched my sister do. It's a lot, my dad.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if it's the same though, you like

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when we were when I went through school, I definitely

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like even you know, Tom and Jan and all my mentors.

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I called them doctor and doctor Williams and doctor McCabe

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and right up until I finished my doctorate.

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Speaker 3: Am I I don't know that, Like, yeah, to our

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students stuff, and we don't.

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Speaker 4: They might probably the culture that we've created partly partly

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the culture.

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Speaker 5: Well that's not necessarily a bad thing.

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Speaker 2: It might be a little more cat tool that there

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feel free to talk because it is a psychology classes.

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Speaker 3: Right, yeah, I think apartment. Yeah, and there's both sides,

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there's two sides to it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, taking everybody comfortable, Oh, I only say it because

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I just think that it is an impressive thing to do,

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and I I have people in my family who have

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done it, and I know how much you work, how

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how much work goes into that. You know how much time, effort, money,

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all that money, for sure money.

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Speaker 6: Definitely wouldn't want to do it again, that's for sure.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, probably wouldn't have done it if we knew what

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we were getting. Get It's one of those things where

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you look back and you're like, all right, I did.

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Speaker 2: That, But it's a little bit of pride, a little

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bit of accomplishment. I've got something, you know that I

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that I did and many people don't. How many people

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drop out of these programs and just end with the

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masters and just decide that's.

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Speaker 3: That's a lot of.

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Speaker 4: That's once you get a dissertation, right, Yeah, Yeah, you

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have a funny story about meditating together before I forget

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and we get too far off of that.

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Speaker 3: So you've met Gene, doctor McCabe.

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Speaker 4: It's the breakfast group that we have everyone, the wise

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counsel that we get together with so often. Uh, you know,

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a couple iterations ago, we Gene suggested that we do

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a body scan together. So basically and it sounds like

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something appropriate, but it's not. You get They came in

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at our house and there's this guy, Dan Siegel, who

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is an excellent research or author, talks a lot about

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mindfulness and and he guided us on this body scan

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where you go through different parts of your body and

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really experience them in the moments you know, separate. And

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so we're lay now trying to trying to do this together,

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and I remember thinking to myself, so I invited my

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friends over for a nap.

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Speaker 5: But you're supposed to go through and think about.

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Speaker 2: Each part of your body right as you feel it,

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kind of and I don't know, and I don't know

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what the right amount of time to do with that.

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I've had one person on Bill Lightman who says, uh,

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you know, just met it hate for three minutes to

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really get into it and ask the question what do

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I need to know today? And then I've read like

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fifteen minutes was always my norm, And sometimes I feel

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like I my brain just like lately has been this

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this where you're talking about being in the moment, and

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get down to the moment, that sign breaths yeah, but

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it doesn't always. It doesn't always get there for me.

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Speaker 4: I'm not great at it either. But the one breath

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thing is I can do it for a moment, right,

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It's like the what's the country singer? And not as

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good as I once was?

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, Toby Keith?

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Speaker 3: Yes, right, so this song.

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Speaker 2: I always love that song.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, I'm not great at it either, but I

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can do I can do it for a breath. I

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can do it for a moment and that sometimes that's enough.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes that is enough. Well, doctor McGinnis does a

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lot of different things. You want to talk about the

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course you guys are creating. Where do we want to

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kind of.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, when we talk about the course, I think it's

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pretty neat. Yeah, and I'm grateful that we're able to

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do it. And that's a big things to Rob and

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our dean for allowing that to happen in our nursing school.

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Speaker 2: Well, take a break here and we'll come back and

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Ron Rice and doctor Scott McGinnis, who are introducing an

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elective course at Saint John Fisher University. And I would ask,

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how did you pitch this course when it was just

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an idea?

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Speaker 6: I mean for me, it was really easier. I said, hey, Rob,

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do you is this okay? If we do list? And

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he's like, sure, why not.

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Speaker 4: The benefits of having someone who doesn't with a lot

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of ambition, who doesn't know what he's doing.

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Speaker 2: It's the greatest thing.

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Speaker 6: But what we were trying to come up with was

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a course that talked about some of these methods of

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healing that sometimes end up on the periphery. If you

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look in academic literature, sometimes they're referred to as complimentary

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treatment methods. Sometimes that's complimentary and alternative treatment methods. There

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are universities out there, University of Arizona for examp, and

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also some pretty heavy hitters in terms of research hospitals

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like Mayo Clinic out and Rochester, Minnesota that do that

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are really interested in some of those complimentary methods and

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what we were talking about, things like energy healing, things

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using hypnosis, acupuncture, anything else that is a willness modality

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that you can put in there that is hopefully going

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to have some positive effects for somebody.

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Speaker 2: So wow, that isn't taught anywhere really that I know of.

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of the hospitals around here were doing migraine centers for

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migrain headaches. That was soft music, soft lighting and breath

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control and trying to get you into a place. Sometimes

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medicine was needed, if it even intravenously for people had

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really bad migraines. But I remember being in there twice

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maybe for myself, and it was just impressive. It was

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just different that that's normally not it's bright lights and

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a doctor and a laboking on, well i'll try this,

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that that there's some acceptance of that. And certainly it

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world had always accepted this sort of stuff, and yet

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the Western I don't know why sometimes we shy away

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about that, and we can certainly go down a rabbit

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hole talking about those things, just differences and cares of

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modality and philosophy in the way we operate with healthcare

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here versus in other areas. It might be a good

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time to transition and talk about some of the things

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that doctor Deep does because he's there's an integration that

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it seems like it's happening in India and different hospitals

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one of the main things that I wanted our students

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to understand is that this doesn't have to be an

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either or, it's an and with So if you've got

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the potential to heal through an Eastern method, absolutely take

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advantage of that. Help your clients pursue that. If they're

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interested in it, If they have an opportunity to go

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whatever they're struggling with, and if you can achieve that

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with reiki, something that great. If you can achieve that

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with standard pharmaceutical prescriptions, awesome, go and do that. But

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opening the minds of some of our students who are

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there who have an interest but maybe just don't know

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where to go, so we can talk about some different

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methods and point them in the right direction.

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Speaker 2: My mom's level three. I don't know how many levels are?

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I was telling you before doctor w Reich showed up

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00:23:16,079 --> 00:23:20,319
that I couldn't I was like I started, I was crying,

476
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,920
but it wasn't Boo who was just flooding out of me.

477
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,480
Like I couldn't stop. I couldn't even really see. I

478
00:23:25,519 --> 00:23:28,400
had to sit and wait like before, because it was

479
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:30,680
right before I was going to drive back to Rochester,

480
00:23:30,759 --> 00:23:35,119
and I thought, but that's weird. But I sometimes wonder

481
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:40,680
with that kind of healing, do we have to have

482
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:45,960
a belief in our mind more so than the chemistry,

483
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,440
because the chemistry, like if I go and I get

484
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:53,039
a pill for something, I I it works, but maybe

485
00:23:53,039 --> 00:23:55,480
it only works until I stopped taking it and then

486
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:56,200
I get sick again.

487
00:23:56,279 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 5: I don't know.

488
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Speaker 2: I'm trying to always think of that because I think

489
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:04,640
that that natural energy healing is a very very real

490
00:24:04,799 --> 00:24:08,039
thing and it's and it's here. But sometimes I wonder,

491
00:24:08,039 --> 00:24:10,079
and I think most of that comes from even like

492
00:24:10,279 --> 00:24:13,240
Jesus putting the year back on somebody and going, don't

493
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,000
tell them I did this, because they're gonna put doubt

494
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:16,880
in your head and you're gonna you know, and then

495
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,359
it'll fall off. So that would be the mind. And

496
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,640
I don't know where that all comes into play. Yeah,

497
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:23,640
I don't. I don't know that.

498
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:27,559
Speaker 6: If you go and get a Riki healing or we

499
00:24:27,559 --> 00:24:30,240
can talk about the Bankston healing method as well. That

500
00:24:30,319 --> 00:24:33,240
you have to have that belief that I'm going to

501
00:24:33,279 --> 00:24:36,920
get better from this immediately. I think you're gonna benefit

502
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:42,079
from it, whether it is an actual energy event or

503
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:44,440
if there's some sort of placeible healing that's going.

504
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:45,039
Speaker 2: On right there.

505
00:24:46,759 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 6: One I'll talk about the Bankston method just because I

506
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,640
appreciate that there's an academic research base to it where

507
00:24:54,759 --> 00:24:58,519
people in that modality were taken or they are all

508
00:24:58,559 --> 00:25:02,599
biology majors and they were trained to heal mice who

509
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:04,799
had been injected in with cancer, and all of the

510
00:25:04,799 --> 00:25:07,319
biology majors didn't have a belief that anything was going

511
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:12,000
to happen. So the mice got better, and the biology

512
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,839
majors at that point were wondering how that happened because

513
00:25:15,839 --> 00:25:17,720
they didn't think anything was going to happen to them.

514
00:25:18,279 --> 00:25:20,599
They didn't I should say that I didn't think anything

515
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:22,160
was going to happen to the mice, But they all

516
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,519
ended up getting better, and they really didn't want to

517
00:25:24,519 --> 00:25:25,920
have any kind of part in it. They were just

518
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,720
kind of coarse to be a part of the experiment,

519
00:25:29,799 --> 00:25:30,920
just to see what was going to happen.

520
00:25:31,519 --> 00:25:34,839
Speaker 2: And when you talk about this experiment with the energy

521
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:39,039
and the mice, Wow, what where's the energy it's from? Us?

522
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:39,799
Speaker 5: From healers.

523
00:25:40,279 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, it really depends on what modality we're looking at.

524
00:25:43,279 --> 00:25:45,519
So something like ray Ki, there's this idea that it's

525
00:25:45,559 --> 00:25:50,079
coming from a universal source that ever runs out. If

526
00:25:50,079 --> 00:25:52,880
you were to talk to Bill Bankston about where the

527
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,279
energy is coming from, he said that he will probably

528
00:25:55,279 --> 00:25:57,960
tell you he doesn't have a great theoretical model for it, okay,

529
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,480
but he would say that he's seeing results with it.

530
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:05,640
So being able to put that together in terms of

531
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:07,440
where it's coming from is difficult.

532
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:09,799
Speaker 4: It has been one of the fun things for me

533
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:14,079
about teaching this course with Scott, and Scott's the primary

534
00:26:14,279 --> 00:26:16,400
teacher of this course. I do one credit, you do

535
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,039
to credits. I think that's the breakdown, right and and

536
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:22,519
some of my it's been I think one of the

537
00:26:22,559 --> 00:26:24,079
fun things about the course, and I think one of

538
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,759
the things that students really appreciated about the course is,

539
00:26:27,079 --> 00:26:29,640
you know, Scott's got this great background in these energy

540
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,680
healing modalities. He's seen you know, he practices this. Hey,

541
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:38,000
I've gotten good outcomes, you know. I'm more interested in

542
00:26:38,039 --> 00:26:41,200
the kind of contemporary science around this stuff. Right, We're

543
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,720
going from a place where we're you know, really focused

544
00:26:44,759 --> 00:26:47,279
on things at the molecular level to now a place

545
00:26:47,279 --> 00:26:49,119
where you know, we're able to look at things at

546
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:52,160
more of a quantum level, right, And so what that

547
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,599
stuff fascinates me. And so the goal of the course

548
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:59,359
is to really integrate and we've the you know, what

549
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,839
what people have been doing and the outcome they've been

550
00:27:01,839 --> 00:27:03,720
getting and how they've been doing that with what we're

551
00:27:03,799 --> 00:27:06,519
learning in quantum science right now, and what we think

552
00:27:06,599 --> 00:27:07,960
that means about how this works.

553
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:12,079
Speaker 2: So I think that we live maybe more in the

554
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,839
Western world as a society and to see it, touch it,

555
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,680
feel it than I believe it kind of world. So

556
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,359
if we see the science that's working, I wonder if

557
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:26,000
more people are becoming because I so I went down

558
00:27:26,039 --> 00:27:29,720
to my sisters for Christmas, and I have a ten

559
00:27:29,799 --> 00:27:32,839
year old nephew and a twelve year old niece. And

560
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:34,880
my ten year old nephew asked me if I would

561
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,720
bring some knotty water. Awesome, because see I had brought

562
00:27:37,759 --> 00:27:41,200
everybody knotty water the year before. And I said absolutely,

563
00:27:41,279 --> 00:27:43,200
And he goes just and my sister said, just a

564
00:27:43,279 --> 00:27:45,200
starter thing, even if we can fill it and add

565
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:46,839
other water too, And I said, no problem, So I

566
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:50,400
do that. And then my twelve year old niece has

567
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:54,880
all kinds of questions, but very analytical in that she's

568
00:27:54,920 --> 00:28:01,839
saying to me, so you can't change the molecular makeup

569
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:05,079
of water, So is it still water because it would

570
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,240
be like a slush of it. And I said, no,

571
00:28:07,279 --> 00:28:10,079
there's energy. And then so I'm listening and I said,

572
00:28:10,079 --> 00:28:14,160
when you've freezed water, you'll see the patterns of energy

573
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,799
that are somewhat chaotic. And then when it's healed with

574
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:23,440
not healed, but one knotty energy is in. I was

575
00:28:23,599 --> 00:28:26,920
just going to say interviewed, and that's not the word integrated.

576
00:28:27,559 --> 00:28:32,000
Integrated into the water, you start to see connective patterns, right,

577
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:32,920
you see more.

578
00:28:32,759 --> 00:28:34,079
Speaker 3: Circular Beat to Austin.

579
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 4: So for people who are interested in this stuff, I

580
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,480
would look up VI to Austin. She has some really

581
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:42,759
cool work looking at intelligence and memory of water. Builds

582
00:28:42,799 --> 00:28:46,880
on previous work from doctor Emoto who had some really

583
00:28:47,119 --> 00:28:53,000
japan yep, very interesting book took some creative liberties in publication,

584
00:28:53,079 --> 00:28:56,440
which is, you know, raised some skepticism around his work

585
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,000
and then Beat to Austin kind of took it and

586
00:28:58,359 --> 00:29:02,119
tried to apply some more chraical methods to it, but

587
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:06,000
still very artistic and open minded to water. And so

588
00:29:06,039 --> 00:29:08,519
she's done some really cool experiments, including with natty water.

589
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:13,440
Doctor Deep and her spent some time together and then

590
00:29:13,559 --> 00:29:16,160
a number of experiments where they would take tap water

591
00:29:16,279 --> 00:29:18,759
and they would freeze it and examine the crystals, and

592
00:29:18,799 --> 00:29:22,640
then take that same tapwater and charge it with Noddy

593
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:27,160
and freeze it again, and consistently the natty charge knotty

594
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,839
water would freeze and there would be an.

595
00:29:30,279 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 3: Image of a lotus okay on the water.

596
00:29:33,279 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 4: And so nurses at Saint John Fisher University have started

597
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,680
to repeat this experiment because we've got the natty rout

598
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,000
at Sint John Fisher University and doctor Deep came and

599
00:29:41,039 --> 00:29:44,079
train people on on the natty approach, and so we've

600
00:29:44,079 --> 00:29:46,799
had nurses repeat this experiment and they're sending me pictures

601
00:29:46,799 --> 00:29:49,000
all the time of their tap water before and after

602
00:29:49,039 --> 00:29:52,039
freezing and same thing, same thing. It's I'll have to

603
00:29:52,519 --> 00:29:54,200
at some point, fine, I'll send you some pictures and

604
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,000
you can put them on the website that I.

605
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,799
Speaker 2: Like that, because so as my niece is now, she's

606
00:29:58,839 --> 00:30:02,079
getting like annoyed with and she's coming at me hard,

607
00:30:02,079 --> 00:30:05,400
and she's twelve, and I'm going, okay, I'm feeling like

608
00:30:05,799 --> 00:30:08,720
a dummy here. But I said, they're doing you know,

609
00:30:08,759 --> 00:30:11,440
a Harvard University. I believe MIT has done some stuff.

610
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, maybe something at Columbia.

611
00:30:12,839 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 2: Columbia. I thought there was some place in the west

612
00:30:16,279 --> 00:30:20,960
Saint John Fisher for sure university. And I said, there

613
00:30:21,279 --> 00:30:23,960
there is an energy in it. And I said something

614
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:28,720
about uncoated DNA and how DNA junk.

615
00:30:28,559 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 5: DNA and how we're finding it.

616
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 2: And then I got a whole lecture on you don't

617
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,759
want to wake that up because there we have turned

618
00:30:34,759 --> 00:30:37,079
that off for a reason. You don't want to bring

619
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,440
back these diseases and things that are in that DNA.

620
00:30:39,519 --> 00:30:42,079
And I'm going okay. So I tried to just yes

621
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,640
end because I didn't at this point. Now the twelve

622
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,039
year old is speaking above my intelligence. I have no idea,

623
00:30:48,599 --> 00:30:51,400
but I am such a believer. I believe the naughty

624
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:56,519
water absolutely as energy and healing properties and is holds

625
00:30:56,519 --> 00:31:00,160
an intelligence. But I think water as a whole right.

626
00:31:00,359 --> 00:31:02,559
Speaker 4: And again I mean Scott and I will have different

627
00:31:02,599 --> 00:31:05,880
perspectives on this, but hopefully complementary perspectives on this. Right

628
00:31:06,359 --> 00:31:10,480
you know, Scott, would you can talk more about this

629
00:31:10,759 --> 00:31:15,599
in a healing setting. Uh, from a scientific perspective. One

630
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:17,240
of the things I've gotten a chance to do since

631
00:31:17,279 --> 00:31:20,799
meeting doctor Deep is interview coobal experts. So I got

632
00:31:20,839 --> 00:31:22,960
to I went through a period of time where I

633
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,279
interviewed people from Cambridge and from Harvard and from UCLA

634
00:31:27,119 --> 00:31:30,640
in different modalities they were in. One person was a

635
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:35,000
cerebral spinal fluid scientists, and he studied how knotty water

636
00:31:35,079 --> 00:31:40,440
when infused into cerebral spinal fluid would change the dynamic

637
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:42,960
of how that cerebral spinal fluid was was absorbed in

638
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,279
what it did. And he looks at all the different

639
00:31:45,279 --> 00:31:47,960
sensors and stuff in our nervous system that uh that

640
00:31:48,039 --> 00:31:51,000
respond to cerebral spinal fluid. And then that was doctor

641
00:31:51,079 --> 00:31:55,279
Moro's apatara. And then doctor Madame Thanglivou from Cambridge. He's

642
00:31:55,319 --> 00:31:59,000
a genetic scientist and he studied this junk DNA and

643
00:31:59,319 --> 00:32:02,039
so he's looked at how the knotty water and other

644
00:32:02,279 --> 00:32:06,839
forms of energy healing can actually activate and deactivate certain

645
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:11,200
genes in particular, Uh, this junk DNA that that we

646
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:12,920
didn't really understand how it worked before.

647
00:32:13,119 --> 00:32:17,559
Speaker 2: Okay, it's amazing to me and I love knowing that

648
00:32:17,599 --> 00:32:21,680
there are for those who are maybe more skeptical, the

649
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,680
science behind it. That's that's where I think that that

650
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,240
changes people a little bit, right, because again, see it,

651
00:32:28,319 --> 00:32:31,839
touch it, feel in the world, the reality, but anything

652
00:32:31,839 --> 00:32:37,319
you're I have become such a believer that are we

653
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,400
live our life in our head, in our mind and

654
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:41,160
our perspective.

655
00:32:41,279 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 4: We just read another book that we've talked about that

656
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,200
gets on that a little bit, right, don't believe everything

657
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:45,599
that you think?

658
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:49,559
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and yeah right. And that even goes back

659
00:32:49,599 --> 00:32:52,799
to because I had for a while read a lot

660
00:32:52,839 --> 00:32:58,200
of ticked on Han who is a Vietnamese Buddhist monk

661
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:02,519
who's kicked out of Vietnam and uh, but very interesting

662
00:33:02,519 --> 00:33:05,839
and along the same lines of at least that was

663
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,839
sort of my introduction into all this. I don't know

664
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:09,559
what I call it.

665
00:33:10,319 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 5: I just think it's it's life.

666
00:33:12,319 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 2: I think it's real and it's there and you have

667
00:33:14,319 --> 00:33:17,240
the power and whether or not you decide to tap

668
00:33:17,279 --> 00:33:18,359
into that is I.

669
00:33:18,359 --> 00:33:20,359
Speaker 4: Think one of the reasons it's cool is because we

670
00:33:20,359 --> 00:33:21,880
don't have words for it, right, And that's one of

671
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:26,240
the reasons why it's hard to, you know, really teach

672
00:33:26,279 --> 00:33:28,319
about some of this stuff. Is there there aren't words

673
00:33:28,359 --> 00:33:30,880
to explain some of these things. I think we're finding them.

674
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:32,960
We're coming to a place where we're able to understand

675
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:34,519
a little better. But maybe we're not supposed to.

676
00:33:34,599 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah, I would love to might allowed

677
00:33:38,039 --> 00:33:42,440
to just sit in on a class to see and

678
00:33:42,559 --> 00:33:46,440
just here. I think that sounds I think it's really interesting.

679
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,079
And I love that the School of Nursing is open.

680
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,000
I love that Saint John Fisher University is open to

681
00:33:52,039 --> 00:33:52,319
all of this.

682
00:33:52,599 --> 00:33:55,519
Speaker 3: They've been very Dean's been super supportive.

683
00:33:56,319 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 4: We had every time doctor Deep's come, she's arranged for

684
00:33:59,519 --> 00:34:03,559
him to to present. And now we've got a training

685
00:34:03,559 --> 00:34:05,440
that Scout's organizing this summer.

686
00:34:05,599 --> 00:34:09,679
Speaker 6: Yeah, we're we're working on bringing more energy healing modality

687
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,559
trainings to our students and hopefully that's going to happen

688
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:17,199
within the near future. So we've had a number of

689
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,960
students go off and pursue their own energy healing training

690
00:34:21,039 --> 00:34:24,239
after that class, in particular, just because they had some

691
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,519
really neat and interesting experiences while they are in there.

692
00:34:27,559 --> 00:34:30,639
So rather than have them go off to other universities

693
00:34:30,679 --> 00:34:33,480
or training centers, just let's start bringing more things in.

694
00:34:34,599 --> 00:34:37,519
Speaker 5: That's my Yeah, what what is getting me?

695
00:34:37,599 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 2: I asked?

696
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:39,519
Speaker 5: What healings?

697
00:34:39,639 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 2: Will?

698
00:34:40,559 --> 00:34:44,119
Speaker 6: Well? Right now, I would love to have a Bankston

699
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,840
healing training at Saint John Fisher University.

700
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:52,119
Speaker 2: Bankston was what reiki, I don't it's it's just his

701
00:34:52,199 --> 00:34:52,599
own thing.

702
00:34:52,639 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 6: It's a separate modality. William Bankston was a tenured professor

703
00:34:57,519 --> 00:35:05,199
of sociology and an incredible statistician, and he had an

704
00:35:05,199 --> 00:35:08,079
interest in healing and he ended up meeting a healer

705
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:14,239
years and years ago, and this healer was somewhat afraid

706
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:18,480
of their powder that they had. Yes, so Bill was

707
00:35:18,519 --> 00:35:21,960
able to take that method to certain the laboratory setting,

708
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,360
saw some really really interesting results with that, and that's

709
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:29,320
where this line of academic publications started to come from.

710
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:36,159
Injecting mice with cancer and seeing cancer emit in those

711
00:35:36,199 --> 00:35:38,760
mice and then being then going off and turning people

712
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:42,679
how to do it and having really interesting anecdotal results

713
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:47,360
with inflammatory conditions sort of cancers, things of that nature.

714
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 2: So you would train students or anybody who takes the course.

715
00:35:53,599 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, what I would say is we would we

716
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,239
would bring in the trainers who are doing it every day,

717
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:02,159
who are really enmeshed in whatever method they're using, and

718
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:05,320
then just make that available for students, make that a

719
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,480
little bit more accessible, because it could be kind of

720
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,159
it can be intimidating if you're going into that world

721
00:36:10,159 --> 00:36:12,760
then you don't really know which direction to go because

722
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:16,000
there are so many different healing modalities out there, between

723
00:36:16,039 --> 00:36:21,920
Riki and quantum touch and healing touch and the Bankston method,

724
00:36:22,519 --> 00:36:27,480
passlave regression, hypnosis, all of those things. Nattie, of course, yes.

725
00:36:27,519 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 2: So so you would, so the banks and method would

726
00:36:31,039 --> 00:36:34,960
be possibly I'm asking this Tad at Saint John Fisher

727
00:36:35,039 --> 00:36:39,760
University that would you at the end be yourself a

728
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,880
Bankston healer with or is that.

729
00:36:43,039 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 6: With the way that their training is set up, you

730
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,920
don't walk away with a certificate saying I am like

731
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:53,800
an officially approved Bankston healer. That's different than something like Reeky,

732
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:55,440
where you get certificates at the end where you can

733
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,679
see I'm Reki one, two, two or three, but you

734
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,840
can that you did the training and you've been practicing,

735
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:08,480
and but there isn't any official you're a certified Bingston practitioner.

736
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,880
You can read his book as well, The Energy Cure,

737
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,800
and get all of the same information, and he goes

738
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:17,960
through the method and at the back of the book

739
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,000
just how to practice it and implement it. And you

740
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,079
don't necessarily need somebody there to coach you or to

741
00:37:24,119 --> 00:37:26,039
be a mentor, but it's extremely helpful.

742
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 2: I have that what attracted you to all this over

743
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,360
the years, because you may I say you are a

744
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:33,039
Reiki healer.

745
00:37:33,079 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 6: I believe yep, Yeah, that's just one of the trainings

746
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,800
that I do have in my background. So my mother

747
00:37:39,039 --> 00:37:41,800
was the one who actually introduced this world to me,

748
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:46,800
where she was a nurse for forty years and she

749
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,079
had a surgery where she was just in an absolute

750
00:37:50,159 --> 00:37:54,199
ton of pain and sidebar she is allergic to everything,

751
00:37:54,599 --> 00:37:57,400
every medication out there, and as a result, I am

752
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:04,440
allergic to everything. One anesthesiologist described us as his worst nightmare. Yeah,

753
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:08,320
prior to me getting my ACL repaired, just because there

754
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:12,920
wasn't anything I could take. But she had a surgery,

755
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:14,880
she was in a ton of pain, but noticed that

756
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,199
she could put her hands on her body in different

757
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:22,280
places and start to create this healing effect. And from

758
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,800
there she just started doing a little bit of an

759
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:28,679
investigation related to hands on healing, and she felt that

760
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:32,840
she was guided toward meditation, toward reiki, and then she

761
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:36,239
just started reading books about reiki and found her own trainer,

762
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,440
and she went all the way up to the master level.

763
00:38:40,039 --> 00:38:43,440
And then she attuned me to reiki and then trained

764
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:44,760
me all the way to the master level.

765
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:49,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, when we go back through like the history of mankind,

766
00:38:50,119 --> 00:38:55,239
there have been healers all through there's been talk of

767
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:59,039
this energy. I often and now listened to songs and

768
00:38:59,119 --> 00:39:03,559
feel like we're missing the message. Sometimes even pop songs.

769
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:05,920
There are songs I just heard one the other day

770
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:10,639
go oh man, you've been pounded with this message. You're

771
00:39:10,679 --> 00:39:13,880
just not hearing it. For whatever your lyric to. Yeah,

772
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,679
I love lyrics. Yep, me too. And and it's strange

773
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:18,880
because all of a sudden, I go, wait a second,

774
00:39:19,559 --> 00:39:22,519
they've been trying someone's been trying to tell us about

775
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,559
that there's more to our existence and there's more to

776
00:39:25,679 --> 00:39:29,000
this than we're buying in you. You know, because you

777
00:39:29,039 --> 00:39:30,679
get here and you get caught up in the drama

778
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:32,320
and you're told you got to grind it out, and

779
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,360
you got to work real hard, and you got to

780
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:36,400
get a job, and you know, and all this stuff.

781
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,239
And he says, Toy, this isn't selling any fun at all.

782
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:43,599
And and yet there's been people all along and shaman

783
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:48,519
and different you know, levels of I don't even know,

784
00:39:48,679 --> 00:39:52,480
but they would say this same thing and try to

785
00:39:52,519 --> 00:39:55,960
teach you that you have everything you need to survive

786
00:39:56,679 --> 00:39:58,320
within you and here on this planet.

787
00:39:58,480 --> 00:39:59,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, you get back to that book the

788
00:39:59,679 --> 00:40:02,840
world art. Right, musicians are a great example of that too.

789
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:07,519
You know, the musicians have this incredible ability to really

790
00:40:07,599 --> 00:40:11,599
harness the muse, right that, yeah, that that energy that

791
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,639
create natural creative energy where you're getting ideas that you

792
00:40:14,639 --> 00:40:17,480
don't even realize that you had them before, right, Like

793
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:22,400
they call them uh idiomorphs. I think, where you've got

794
00:40:23,119 --> 00:40:26,760
the idea that ideas themselves are alive, right, right, that

795
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,119
everything we need to know is is around us, and

796
00:40:29,159 --> 00:40:34,280
that we're absorbing it more like lungs breathing an oxygen

797
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,559
than the creators of consciousness. Right, And those things come

798
00:40:37,559 --> 00:40:39,840
out all the time in music. For that reason. I

799
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:43,960
have several clients who are autistic savants, right, who are

800
00:40:44,039 --> 00:40:48,760
able to play the piano like trained pianists after, you know,

801
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:50,719
sitting down at the piano for just like the first

802
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,679
or second time, right, And and so for me, that's

803
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:59,159
evidence again from more of a scientific perspective, that you know,

804
00:40:59,159 --> 00:41:01,320
there's something going on there where there's certain people who

805
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:03,519
were able to tap into this and able to really

806
00:41:03,559 --> 00:41:06,119
harness this creative energy. And so, yeah, music is a

807
00:41:06,119 --> 00:41:07,000
great example of that.

808
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is a great example. And a lot of

809
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:13,199
times you'll hear musicians say things like, I sat down,

810
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:15,800
I wrote the song in five minutes through where it

811
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:17,920
came from? Right, I don't know where it came from.

812
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,360
And then the others will say I've had this riff

813
00:41:21,119 --> 00:41:24,360
forever and then all of a sudden it just fit here,

814
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:28,159
you know, and it's just it's strange. But I think

815
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,559
all of us can have that. I'm I'm starting to

816
00:41:30,599 --> 00:41:33,960
believe there are no such things as coincidences at all.

817
00:41:34,119 --> 00:41:34,599
Speaker 3: I'm with you.

818
00:41:34,679 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 2: I could not remember the name of the book. Don't

819
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,400
believe everything you think, and I had never read it,

820
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:45,719
but I saw it. I was looking for gifts for

821
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:49,639
guys who I do know, bilified with, and I looked

822
00:41:49,679 --> 00:41:51,519
down at the bottom and I saw that and I go, oh,

823
00:41:51,559 --> 00:41:54,159
that's great, and then I pop it up. I'm reading

824
00:41:54,199 --> 00:41:57,400
about it. I go, this is fascinating. And we had

825
00:41:57,679 --> 00:42:00,559
the Wise Council breakfast at your house, very kind of

826
00:42:00,599 --> 00:42:04,119
open ups to us Heathens, and they go in there

827
00:42:04,159 --> 00:42:08,599
and make com madsense and then uh, I'm going I

828
00:42:08,639 --> 00:42:10,719
was gonna leave there and go buy the book. And

829
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:12,719
I went, oh, man, I didn't write down the title

830
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:14,559
of that book. I can't. And out of nowhere you

831
00:42:14,639 --> 00:42:16,920
came out and go, you know what really helped me

832
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,400
write my book? It was this book. And I let out, oh,

833
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:23,719
oh my god, that's the book how we like and

834
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:27,440
it's it's those and we passed by these things in

835
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:31,280
life and go, eh, coincidence, you know, we call it

836
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:36,039
serendipity whatever. And we go and I'm going, no, no, no,

837
00:42:36,159 --> 00:42:37,559
I was supposed to get that book.

838
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 4: Well, this is where it can get really weird, right,

839
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,800
because this is from the way I'm I'm thinking about

840
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:44,679
things these days, and it's been helpful for me. But

841
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:48,719
it's it's abstract, right is it's because it's all already happened. Right,

842
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,320
This is there's no if we think a thing, if

843
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:55,039
we eliminate linear time and try to experience these things

844
00:42:55,199 --> 00:43:00,559
as just a process. Right right then we could you

845
00:43:00,599 --> 00:43:03,119
know those things that they're all happening at once, and

846
00:43:03,159 --> 00:43:06,679
it's like something it's a prompt from the future coming

847
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,440
to remind us that there's something that we're supposed to do.

848
00:43:09,599 --> 00:43:15,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I I would even Okay, so prompt from

849
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:18,039
the future that's coming to tell something we ought to do. Yeah,

850
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,960
because it was interesting. Doctor McGinnis came in. We started

851
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:23,960
talking and I said, I can't remember your last name,

852
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:25,159
and then he told me, and I go, how can

853
00:43:25,199 --> 00:43:25,800
I ever forget it?

854
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:26,760
Speaker 5: It's my favorite beer.

855
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 2: But he said to me something about you know, how

856
00:43:30,039 --> 00:43:32,679
you and I had connected, and I said it was

857
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:37,239
through the podcast. But it was one of these things

858
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,840
that I, you know, sometimes it's transitions in life can

859
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,920
be Hey, you're resistant to it. It's a little rocky,

860
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,199
and I often think, I go, man, that was one

861
00:43:46,199 --> 00:43:48,679
of the best things to come out of this, like

862
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,800
being part of the what you know, the wise Counsel.

863
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:52,679
Speaker 5: I love it.

864
00:43:53,079 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 2: I've never ever I thought, man, it's one of my

865
00:43:56,119 --> 00:43:58,360
absolute favorite favorite things.

866
00:43:58,679 --> 00:44:02,039
Speaker 4: You're a great addition, I hope so because the people

867
00:44:02,079 --> 00:44:03,000
out you made.

868
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 2: The I am the least educated in that group, and probably.

869
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 3: There's all different kinds of education.

870
00:44:08,519 --> 00:44:11,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, so of course, but I went, well, I find

871
00:44:11,119 --> 00:44:15,360
it fascinating like it is, honestly, and my dad loves it.

872
00:44:16,119 --> 00:44:17,199
Speaker 5: I'll tell him about it.

873
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:18,119
Speaker 3: I'd love to meet your day.

874
00:44:18,159 --> 00:44:21,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's he's uh, he's a very interesting, uh and

875
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,920
brilliant guy. You know, did philosophy and all. But I

876
00:44:25,079 --> 00:44:27,639
and I think maybe as he's gotten older, a little

877
00:44:27,679 --> 00:44:29,119
more open to this sort of thing.

878
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,039
Speaker 4: People tend to, I think, as they get older, and

879
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:34,639
that's the problem. Sir Scott might have some thoughts on

880
00:44:34,679 --> 00:44:38,440
that phenomenon as well, you know. But in terms of coincidences,

881
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,599
you know, looking back to when we first you know,

882
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:45,920
and I did the podcast, and I think I told

883
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,840
you this story, but I was visiting doctor Deep in

884
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,159
New York and that was a wild experience in and

885
00:44:51,199 --> 00:44:55,639
of itself. We were invited me to have dinner, and

886
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:57,800
so I went to this place where he was doing

887
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,000
a healing and it was this amazing penthouse in New York,

888
00:45:01,199 --> 00:45:03,639
nothing I'd ever been in before. I was definitely a

889
00:45:03,679 --> 00:45:07,199
fish out of water. And there were scientists from Columbia

890
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:09,480
there talking about this and talking about how to best

891
00:45:09,519 --> 00:45:12,920
study this this phenomenon. And and the next night he

892
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:16,239
invited me to dinner and it was the ambassador to

893
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:19,480
Pakistan for the United Nations was it was his house,

894
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:23,039
which is where and I had amazing talks about how

895
00:45:23,079 --> 00:45:24,719
some of these things are happening around the world. And

896
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,280
so I'm walking out of there, going back to my

897
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:31,480
hotel room thinking just thinking about like just inspired and

898
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:32,920
thinking about who do I need to share this with?

899
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,559
Who do I need to like other people need to

900
00:45:35,559 --> 00:45:38,800
know about this. Who's not going to think that I'm crazy?

901
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,280
And I look up and it was I was right

902
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:43,599
beneath a sign that said Moran's.

903
00:45:43,199 --> 00:45:45,760
Speaker 2: Pub Yeah, I remember you sent me the picture, and.

904
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:47,199
Speaker 4: So yeah, I took I took a picture of it

905
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:49,760
and said, like, Bill, I think that you're supposed to

906
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:50,280
be part of this.

907
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:55,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have. I've been very accepting of it all

908
00:45:55,119 --> 00:45:57,920
and I've I feel like I've benefited tremendousness.

909
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 3: We have. It's been a great connection.

910
00:46:00,159 --> 00:46:02,639
Speaker 2: We'll take a time out here and have more of

911
00:46:02,679 --> 00:46:05,920
our discussion with doctor Rob Rice and doctor Scott McGinnis

912
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,880
of Saint John Fisher University on Bill lightment.

913
00:46:09,159 --> 00:46:10,480
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947
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Why let the system overwhelm you, Let their experience work

948
00:48:15,519 --> 00:48:18,119
for you. Call two six ' to two comp today

949
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:22,199
Connors and Ferris, securing the benefits and compensation you deserve.

950
00:48:22,639 --> 00:48:26,159
Connors and Ferris, your workers competternities called two six two

951
00:48:26,679 --> 00:48:28,800
co MP that's two six to two.

952
00:48:29,159 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 5: Comp Thank you for.

953
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 2: Listening to Enlightenment with our guests doctor rob Rice and

954
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:38,599
doctor Scott McGinnis.

955
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,159
Speaker 5: As we're talking about getting older.

956
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 2: And it does seem like as our journey, our human journey,

957
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:50,920
starts to wind down, people become more accepting of something

958
00:48:51,119 --> 00:48:55,159
greater than themselves and greater than everything. Why why do

959
00:48:55,159 --> 00:48:56,599
you think that is? And I'll go to you, doctor

960
00:48:56,599 --> 00:48:58,639
Scott McGinnis, or why do you think that is?

961
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,800
Speaker 6: I think that plays a big part of it. You

962
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:05,599
think of our regular progression for the average person, it's

963
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,320
you know, you go to school, you try to get

964
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:10,679
as good a grades that you can, and then you

965
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:13,400
find a job, you work really hard, you establish yourself,

966
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:17,320
you have a family, you buy a house, and at

967
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:20,119
some point, after twenty five thirty years of just doing

968
00:49:20,159 --> 00:49:22,440
the same thing, the grind as we all call it,

969
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,559
you might start to wonder why. You might start to

970
00:49:25,599 --> 00:49:28,880
wonder if there's anything more beyond that grind and just

971
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:34,480
trying to find whatever that may be. Had a conversation

972
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:37,199
and then not too distant passed with somebody who had

973
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:42,360
now retired and we were talking about var Texas and Sedona, Arizona,

974
00:49:42,599 --> 00:49:44,239
and this is a person who I had never thought

975
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:46,639
I would have a conversation about energy with, but they

976
00:49:46,639 --> 00:49:55,079
were really interested in that phenomena, and they visited there,

977
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:57,360
got a piece of jewelry for their daughter, a brought

978
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:00,960
a back for their daughter, and just started talking about energy.

979
00:50:01,079 --> 00:50:03,559
And I think that they just created more space in

980
00:50:03,599 --> 00:50:05,760
their life to be accepting of that idea at that

981
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:10,519
point to explore just different possibilities. So it could be

982
00:50:10,519 --> 00:50:13,639
a combination of factors that have done the grind. I

983
00:50:13,679 --> 00:50:15,800
want to see what other meaning is out there and

984
00:50:16,159 --> 00:50:17,320
what this is really all about.

985
00:50:18,199 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 3: I've got a theory on that too.

986
00:50:19,679 --> 00:50:23,159
Speaker 4: Sure, when people get really sick or start to lose

987
00:50:23,199 --> 00:50:27,519
their health, that's when they tend to pray. Yeah, right,

988
00:50:27,599 --> 00:50:32,679
And so it's this conversation with doctor Thanklou from Cambridge,

989
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:37,199
and this is just this idea of how it's kind

990
00:50:37,199 --> 00:50:41,800
of ironic that some of the same people who really

991
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:46,480
discount energy healing and this type of approach are the

992
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:49,000
same people who as soon as they get sick.

993
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 3: Are going to go to church, right right, right.

994
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 4: And so I think we have something natural within us

995
00:50:55,079 --> 00:50:58,239
that when we aren't well, I think our body knows.

996
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:01,239
I think that it knows that what it needs and

997
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:02,320
it seeks it out.

998
00:51:03,559 --> 00:51:06,559
Speaker 2: I absolutely agree. Yeah, that's interesting. I never thought of

999
00:51:06,599 --> 00:51:10,960
it that way. But you're right. And what's also interesting

1000
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,119
as you're saying that because they go, well you would

1001
00:51:13,159 --> 00:51:15,920
go to church, what healing power is their prayer and

1002
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:19,199
then it would be God. But we also have holy water.

1003
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:23,039
Right again water, I'm just saying like I'm not, but

1004
00:51:23,599 --> 00:51:26,679
it's something there that would be either blessed by the

1005
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:30,559
divine or something that supposed to, you know, keep you there.

1006
00:51:30,599 --> 00:51:32,519
I was always a little gross out of everybody's hand

1007
00:51:32,559 --> 00:51:33,679
went into it.

1008
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:38,840
Speaker 4: That sponge was pretty nasty, Like wait, I just saw

1009
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:39,960
you picking your nose.

1010
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:44,519
Speaker 3: I just but it's like alcoholicitizing.

1011
00:51:44,599 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 2: I got it right, right, right, But that that I'm

1012
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:52,159
not familiar you said, Sedona, I've heard it before. You

1013
00:51:52,199 --> 00:51:55,000
mentioned vortex. I think that we all have a vortex,

1014
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:59,719
and in our vortex is three lifetimes worth of things

1015
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:01,880
that are coming to us.

1016
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:03,119
Speaker 5: But it's over there, and.

1017
00:52:03,039 --> 00:52:06,519
Speaker 2: You've got to find the right vibration, which sounds maybe

1018
00:52:06,599 --> 00:52:09,880
strange to some people, but I always think that the frequency.

1019
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:12,599
And I've even gotten so weird now that I think

1020
00:52:12,639 --> 00:52:15,000
that when we die that we are just on a

1021
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:18,360
different frequency.

1022
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:20,599
Speaker 4: We had this conversation with Deep at my house that

1023
00:52:20,639 --> 00:52:23,199
one morning, and he talked about the light energy and

1024
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:26,039
the death, and we had I forget who asked about death,

1025
00:52:26,079 --> 00:52:28,679
but decoes, Oh, death is so beautiful. And that's when

1026
00:52:28,679 --> 00:52:31,840
he went on that we have the transcript from yes, yes, right,

1027
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:33,840
and so yeah. I mean, we don't think you're weird.

1028
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:36,400
You're talking to the talking to the right people.

1029
00:52:36,559 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. I just think that there's a different frequency in there,

1030
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:43,840
and then it's all here. We're just not tapped in,

1031
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:49,320
tuned in, and I just I feel like things We've

1032
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:53,400
had many teachers come right over the years, probably the

1033
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:57,000
best known Jesus only because you know, the Bible and

1034
00:52:57,119 --> 00:53:01,039
the religions have come off of that. But they're all

1035
00:53:01,119 --> 00:53:02,719
the boy that put a lot of It's like they

1036
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:04,840
put a governor on everything he was teaching, you know

1037
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,599
what I mean, Slow it down, there are these rules.

1038
00:53:07,639 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 5: You're gonna be pond no.

1039
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:11,519
Speaker 4: I remember getting so upset when I found out that

1040
00:53:11,639 --> 00:53:15,920
I was skipping I was skipping meat on Fridays for

1041
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:18,920
you know, for most of my life. Because there was

1042
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:20,599
a pope at some point who had a brother who

1043
00:53:20,679 --> 00:53:23,360
was a fisherman and they wanted to get the fish

1044
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:25,760
industry going better, so they said, no more meat on Fridays.

1045
00:53:26,079 --> 00:53:27,639
Speaker 3: Everybody start. Did you know that?

1046
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:32,519
Speaker 4: I remember getting so angry about that because I grew

1047
00:53:32,599 --> 00:53:35,840
up I went to Catholic schools, grammar school, high.

1048
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:37,599
Speaker 5: Where did you learn that? I don't Why did I

1049
00:53:37,679 --> 00:53:38,119
know that?

1050
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 2: I disappointed myself? Well, yeah, I eat Pepperoni pizza when

1051
00:53:42,559 --> 00:53:45,119
I but I wasn't. I was Catholic to the age

1052
00:53:45,119 --> 00:53:48,280
of seven, and then more Protestant, which became such a

1053
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:51,239
big deal that my grandfather wouldn't talk to my mom

1054
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:54,760
for a year because you know, Southern Ireland and Catholicism,

1055
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:59,079
and I go, boy, no, God would not love your No.

1056
00:53:59,559 --> 00:54:01,599
Speaker 4: I think there's ways to integrate this too, right, Yes,

1057
00:54:01,599 --> 00:54:04,119
That's where I'm at now, and we have these conversations

1058
00:54:04,119 --> 00:54:05,880
that are at our breakfast meetings.

1059
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:06,119
Speaker 3: Right.

1060
00:54:06,159 --> 00:54:10,639
Speaker 4: I'm still consider myself Catholic sometimes I'll say recovering Catholic,

1061
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:14,519
but not around my mother. I had that written in

1062
00:54:14,519 --> 00:54:15,719
the book at one point, and I took it out

1063
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:17,320
because I'm I know my Mom's going to read this.

1064
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:22,599
But I think there's ways to integrate this, right, And

1065
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:26,760
Jesus talks about the Holy Spirit, spirit right, the Holy Trinity,

1066
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:29,719
and so I'm often thinking about where does water play

1067
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:32,320
a role in that, right, like you know, and how

1068
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:35,079
does how do some of these natural phenomenon and all

1069
00:54:35,119 --> 00:54:37,400
this quantum stuff that's going on. You know, maybe maybe

1070
00:54:37,519 --> 00:54:39,920
Jesus was teaching about these things and we just take

1071
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:41,880
it and we run our own story.

1072
00:54:42,079 --> 00:54:43,119
Speaker 5: I believe that.

1073
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:46,719
Speaker 2: I believe that that it's we are made in that image,

1074
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:50,119
and you have what many people will say on a

1075
00:54:50,159 --> 00:54:53,239
base level, your gut feeling or your intuition. I think

1076
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:56,360
that's God. I think that that that's what's telling you.

1077
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:58,800
And a lot of times when you think, oh, that

1078
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:00,920
didn't work out, well, maybe because you're trying to be

1079
00:55:01,039 --> 00:55:05,039
led over here, but you're so stubborn, and I always

1080
00:55:05,039 --> 00:55:09,639
think that you're so loved that no matter what. Unconditional

1081
00:55:09,679 --> 00:55:13,199
love is one of my favorite terms, because I always

1082
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:16,920
think it is one of the most impossible things for

1083
00:55:17,039 --> 00:55:20,280
human beings. Maybe not maybe there's gonna be somebody's going

1084
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:24,880
oh no, but unconditioned everything has a condition. I'd love you,

1085
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:28,159
but you're doing this, or I love you, but man,

1086
00:55:28,199 --> 00:55:31,039
I get mad. And I always think the universe loves

1087
00:55:31,039 --> 00:55:33,360
you so much of that no matter what you believe,

1088
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:35,159
it supports.

1089
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:37,079
Speaker 4: One of the things I've heard you say on the radio,

1090
00:55:37,119 --> 00:55:40,599
which I have appreciated, and again in terms of your

1091
00:55:40,599 --> 00:55:42,679
frequency comment, and this is what's one of the things

1092
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:43,760
I think you bring to the table.

1093
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 2: Right.

1094
00:55:44,039 --> 00:55:46,880
Speaker 4: You've got this history and radio and broadcasting, and you

1095
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:50,239
understand things from that perspective, right, And so I think

1096
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:52,840
that that's all important and probably part of the reason

1097
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:55,280
why you're able to engage in these conversations and think

1098
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:59,559
about things this way. I lost my train of thought

1099
00:55:59,559 --> 00:56:00,000
a little bit.

1100
00:56:00,079 --> 00:56:00,920
Speaker 3: But Oh.

1101
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:02,400
Speaker 4: One of the things that you say that I often

1102
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:05,599
appreciate is that you think that sometimes when children are

1103
00:56:05,599 --> 00:56:07,960
born with severe disabilities and things like that, that the

1104
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:08,800
purpose is to.

1105
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:12,360
Speaker 3: Teach us what unconditional love looks like. And I love

1106
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:12,880
that idea.

1107
00:56:13,519 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 2: I do, because I think that if I don't think

1108
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:20,599
creation ever gets it wrong, I don't know if that's

1109
00:56:20,639 --> 00:56:24,039
even a boy. Tell that to somebody who's lit, right, yeah,

1110
00:56:24,199 --> 00:56:27,239
And I would never want to upset someone. But at

1111
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:30,360
the same time, because there are difficulties and challenges and things,

1112
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:33,320
but boy, there's an unconditional love there. And I think

1113
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:35,480
one of my favorite things that you've said to me

1114
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:39,519
about autism in our awareness of it now, is it's

1115
00:56:39,519 --> 00:56:42,280
evolution evolutionary.

1116
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 4: The same thing, right, Like, I'd be careful not to say,

1117
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:46,360
like I'm if I'm sitting with a parent of a

1118
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:50,480
child who is severely impacted by that disability. Yeah, and

1119
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:53,519
it sees it as a disability. There's some controversy and

1120
00:56:54,079 --> 00:56:56,599
disagreement around even whether or not it should be considered

1121
00:56:56,599 --> 00:56:59,159
a label or disability. But when I'm sitting with a

1122
00:56:59,199 --> 00:57:02,559
parent who's really struggling with a child who has autism,

1123
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:03,719
I probably wouldn't say.

1124
00:57:03,639 --> 00:57:04,679
Speaker 3: That, right, I don't want to minimize.

1125
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:09,800
Speaker 4: But when I'm sitting with most of my clients who

1126
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:15,320
tend to be neurodiverse folks, they uh, I think they

1127
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:17,639
really appreciate that, and I think there's something to it. Right,

1128
00:57:17,679 --> 00:57:21,920
there's so many the strengths and skills the neurodiverse folks

1129
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:24,960
who I work with fits so well with where the

1130
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:28,400
world in society seems to be moving and technology and

1131
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:32,559
detail oriented. And I hate to think this, but social

1132
00:57:32,599 --> 00:57:34,960
skills maybe aren't quite as important as they used to be.

1133
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:38,280
Maybe we need to recapture them in some ways. But

1134
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:42,480
for what it's for if nothing else, a lot of

1135
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:47,400
these folks are finding really really successful pathways and they're

1136
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:50,159
doing some amazing things in this world that we're in now.

1137
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:53,559
Speaker 5: I wanted to ask you, and I don't know.

1138
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 2: First of all, I don't want to hit on anything

1139
00:57:56,039 --> 00:57:59,760
that will miss anything you want to mention either about that.

1140
00:58:00,039 --> 00:58:02,239
Speaker 4: We're just looking forward to having a conversation. We'll continue

1141
00:58:02,239 --> 00:58:03,480
this a couple of fridays.

1142
00:58:04,199 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 2: But here here's one of the things, like, I think, Scott,

1143
00:58:08,079 --> 00:58:13,280
you're more of this thinking too, that that there's I

1144
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:16,320
was always taught and I even think in my church

1145
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:18,280
as a kid, they would say it would be selfish

1146
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:22,159
to think that we're the only creation, that there aren't

1147
00:58:22,639 --> 00:58:26,039
aliens or anything like that, which was always something. But

1148
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:29,119
there are those that believe the thing that I mean,

1149
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:34,239
I think, what do we one chromosome away from a

1150
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:37,360
certain kind of chimpanzee or something. Yeah, I went to

1151
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:40,199
the zoo and I made the joke that looked exactly

1152
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:41,880
like Uncle Joe, you know.

1153
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:44,119
Speaker 5: I mean, just like like Uncle Joe back there.

1154
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:48,960
Speaker 2: But uh, somewhere that in the stars, that that there

1155
00:58:49,079 --> 00:58:52,239
was others. And there are those who are saying twenty

1156
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:57,679
twenty five their contact will be made. I mean I

1157
00:58:58,239 --> 00:59:01,440
have I don't know if you've ever no idea whether.

1158
00:59:01,519 --> 00:59:05,199
Speaker 6: Yeah, whether whether or not twenty twenty five would be

1159
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:08,679
the year where contact is made. It's a it's an

1160
00:59:08,679 --> 00:59:09,760
interesting idea.

1161
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:12,039
Speaker 2: But the stars and the fact that there are other

1162
00:59:12,239 --> 00:59:14,719
beings that are out there, I don't think it's that

1163
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:16,280
far fetched. No, I don't.

1164
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:18,559
Speaker 6: I don't think it's that far fetched either. I would

1165
00:59:18,599 --> 00:59:22,800
hope that there would be more mystery and intrigue to

1166
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:26,079
our human experience, that we'd be able to interact with

1167
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:28,840
other beings like that, the other beings that are different

1168
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:31,639
from us, and learn how to live in concert or

1169
00:59:31,719 --> 00:59:33,119
learn different lessons that way.

1170
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:36,079
Speaker 4: Yeah, where ever gonna happen, it seems like it would

1171
00:59:36,079 --> 00:59:38,480
be now. I mean that may just I mean, we

1172
00:59:38,559 --> 00:59:42,360
got drones flying, you car sized drones flying over the northeast.

1173
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:44,599
Nobody's talking about him or knows what they're about. No,

1174
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:46,840
I'm sure that they're man made. But you know, it

1175
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:49,280
seems like if aliens were gonna come, like we're at

1176
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:51,360
a point where we're like, all right, that's that.

1177
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:54,679
Speaker 2: I almost feel like I would be unless uh, you know,

1178
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:57,800
like the old movies where the little green alien lands

1179
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:00,920
or whatever. We all run and scared. Whatever movies they

1180
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:03,960
were sort of sci fi. I almost see like people

1181
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who truck and go, yeah, that makes sense and move

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on to whatever else is in their life.

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Speaker 3: It's like a slow leak.

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Speaker 4: We're just getting a little information at a time, and

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then all of a sudden we've yeah, yeah, they're here.

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They've been flying over the northeast.

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Speaker 3: That's them. Don't worry about it, here's nothing nefarious.

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in the mall like Grease Ridge. Here's something that I've

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been thinking about a lot and I was gonna bring

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up the next time I saw you guys. Is sometimes

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when we have thoughts, right, people like I say that

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thoughts really direct your life, direct your mood. I'm pissed

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off because whatever didn't work out, or I got this

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frustrating thing, or you know what I mean, all of

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a sudden, And sometimes I think that there's a momentum

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to that stuff that you know, for example, you get

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up in the morning and you stub your toe and

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you curse and then you you know, you get in

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the shower and I don't know, you slip or something,

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and then it's out and you're spilling coffee on yourself

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and the next thing you know, you just drove into

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the back of somebody. And it's a momentum that just

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keeps selling it. Nothing ever works for me, that whole thing.

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I have come to start to ask myself or catch that,

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catch that before it gets going, and say what am

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I under the influence of right now? And I don't

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know if that's the right way to think of it out,

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But by that I mean like, is.

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Speaker 4: This coming from a Connery's or you? Just because there's

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different answers to that question.

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Speaker 2: That it is a very fair point. No, I meant

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like one, am I under the influence of? In that moment?

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Am I? Because I always think there's really just two

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things in the universe, maybe love and fear? Right? I mean,

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we can get down if we get down to the

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basis of anything. Why are we not doing something? Why

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are we acting certain way? It's because we're afraid of

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We believe something that's gonna happen and we don't want

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it to. And then we think about it, think about it,

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think about it, and they go, but know what's gonna happen?

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And I have to stop sometimes and go on. Am

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I under the influence of and sometimes it makes me

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feel better in the shift and it almost helps vibrationally.

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I don't know if you guys have similar feelings on

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that or think of that way or yeah.

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Speaker 6: I mean you were talking about frequency earlier. Yeah, you

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mentioned vibration. So if you've got something like a and

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Rob mentioned self fulfilling prophecy. But if you've got a

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really negative thinking pattern, you're just gonna continue to perpetuate

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that pattern and be in that frequency. You've got to

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find a way to break it and get up and

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raise yourself up to a more livable and positive frequency

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at that point. That's that's the way that I think

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about it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I would. I think the law of attraction.

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Speaker 2: It's not your mom. Your mom would say, oh honey,

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come here and let me make you better, you know,

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but it just is going to bring more of what

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you're thinking, change your frequency, change your thought process. One

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of my I under the influence of and I think

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sometimes it changes that.

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Speaker 4: There's a lot of work right now being done in

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the area of gratitude. Yes, And I think that there's

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a lot of overlap between what you're saying in that work.

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At this point, the research is solid, right, Like if

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we think we know anything, it's that gratitude is a

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good thing and it helps. It's good for mental health,

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that somehow the more grateful you are, the more good

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things tend to happen in your life. Like people have

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studied all these We in fact it Fisher with some students.

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We create rit as well. We recently created an app

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called appreciation ally and so you can actually get it

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on the App Store now, but it's in a beta version.

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Speaker 3: We're continuing.

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Speaker 4: We're finishing the research this spring and we should have

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a final version out by this summer. But you can

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get it now if you wanted to. It's called Appreciation.

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Speaker 2: One more thing in rob resume by the way. I mean,

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I don't know about anybody else, but I found it

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all really really impressive, and I've seen the beta of this.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's really simples. It was based on an old

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app called psych Me Up that was made by the APA,

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and so psych Me Up was an app that had

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it was a grid of sixteen faces and there'd be

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one smiling face, and the goal was to touch the

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smiling face as quickly as find the smiling face and

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touch it as quickly as you could, and you'd move

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through you know, ten twenty grids. I mean, I would

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prescribe this to my clients routinely. It'd have clients who'd

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come in with depressive symptoms and I'd talk about gratitude

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and the value of gratitude and give them this app,

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and inevitably, after they've used it for a couple of weeks,

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they would say, I think that I'm starting to notice

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more positive stimuli, scanning my environment more for positive stimuli.

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And so, unfortunately that app it doesn't exist anymore. So

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we made our own and we based it more on

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the more contemporary research around gratitude. And so this app

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is just four images of different things people might be

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grateful for. You know, there's images of the police officers,

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there's images of nature, there's images of sporting stuff and

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gaming stuff, and it'll pull up the grids and the

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goal is to touch the image that makes you feel

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the most grateful.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 4: And so now we've prescribed this to our clients that

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it mind fit, and we'll tell them do you know,

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ten grids a day and come back and let's talk

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about you know, how you're feeling, if you're noticing yourself

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scanning your environment for more positive stimuli. And again, just

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like with the psyche me up at, people come back

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and say, I think that it worked. I think that

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I was like so focused on how I was feeling

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and the negative emotions I was feeling that it was

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impacting everything that I was looking at around me. And

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when I forced myself in a way or encourage myself

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and practiced the act of scanning my environment for positive stimuli.

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Speaker 3: It really did make a difference. And so we do that.

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Speaker 4: You know, the app also has some other functions on

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it where people can think of, you know, three things

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01:07:56,920 --> 01:07:59,559
that they're grateful for a day, other gratitude interventions that

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have been strated as being effective in the literature, and

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01:08:03,159 --> 01:08:05,519
so yeah, I mean we know through science that what

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you're saying is legit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I do that too. I have a whole weird

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01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:13,480
morning routine.

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Speaker 2: But I won't get into that. I want to go

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01:08:16,279 --> 01:08:21,600
to what you're talking about finding h was it gratitude

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stimuli in your area?

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Speaker 5: Things that you're grateful.

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Speaker 4: And in simple stuff, right, like pants, I don't need

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to iron right.

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Speaker 2: That's great because I think it was Tony Robbins did

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these things where he tells people close your eyes and

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think of everything red red, right, think of red, the

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color red, feel the color red? Does it feel like

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blah blah blah? Open your eyes now find things that

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are brown.

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Speaker 5: You can't.

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Speaker 2: You're finding red. But I think it's much the same

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thing in that find things that are grateful, and you're

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not really you're you're struggling to find things that are brown, right,

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but you're seeing all the red. It's just coming at you.

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And I think when you get grateful, it just starts

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to come at you. It's there, You're just not seeing it.

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But when you focus, where your focus goes, right, is

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really how things work. And I think that's a great way,

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and I wish it would almost be taught. Instead of

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let's look for the colored red, let's find the things

1375
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that were grateful for because that's going to make you

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feel better.

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Speaker 5: And I have I think it was doctor.

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Speaker 2: Sugarman, many many years ago, when he was the pediatrician

1379
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for my kids, said pulled me aside and said go

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to therapy. Well, we were dealing with you know, much

1381
01:09:32,359 --> 01:09:36,520
like you, Scott. My one of my sons had severe allergies,

1382
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:41,600
projectile vomiting off breast milk immediately losing weight, had to

1383
01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:43,479
go back to the hospital. We had to get a

1384
01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:48,119
hypoallergenic formula from Britain to come in and you know,

1385
01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:50,720
it's the only place you could get it. And as

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life went on, he's fine, right, and has his challenges,

1387
01:09:54,479 --> 01:09:56,680
but it's fine. But it was he who said to me,

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you go to therapy because if you or not well,

1389
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:03,880
if you're not in a good spot, you're not benefiting

1390
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anybody else. And I think so often I think the

1391
01:10:08,680 --> 01:10:11,640
mentality in my family and my life was more of

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that selfish and I think that maybe we need to

1393
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be a little more selfish. There's even some creative things

1394
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that would say to you. I did a book many

1395
01:10:22,479 --> 01:10:24,840
years ago, the Artist Way. I don't know if anybody's

1396
01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:27,600
familiar with the Artist Way, and it's more about helping

1397
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people break through and write, and you do different experiments

1398
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:32,479
and things in there. But one of the things was

1399
01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:35,720
an artist date, and you went, you took yourself on

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a date, which I know sounds really really weird, but

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I used to I love art. It's something I don't

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really talk about. I love classical music. I would go

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see the symphony by myself. I'd sit way in the

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01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:50,399
back because I didn't want people to see me this

1405
01:10:50,399 --> 01:10:53,840
this weird old walking down. I would go to the museum.

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I would go up to botanical gardens and things, and

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I'm telling you that stuff is so restorative. And when

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you talk about appreciation, you're just looking at it because

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01:11:04,359 --> 01:11:07,800
you love it. There's nothing better. And those things I

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01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:10,960
think are lost. But if I I was married at

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01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:12,960
the time, I wouldn't say where I was going because

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I knew it would piss her off, pitch anybody off.

1413
01:11:17,319 --> 01:11:19,199
But hey, listen, I need a little while. I'm gonna

1414
01:11:19,239 --> 01:11:21,319
go take myself on a date. I'm gonna have a

1415
01:11:21,319 --> 01:11:23,800
delicious cup of coffee or a nice I p A

1416
01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:25,640
or whatever, and I'm gonna look at this stuff.

1417
01:11:25,720 --> 01:11:28,239
Speaker 5: You can't do, but you should, But I really think

1418
01:11:28,279 --> 01:11:28,640
you should.

1419
01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:31,800
Speaker 4: I sent you that podcast that I think you listened

1420
01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:34,079
to the other day past I listened.

1421
01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:36,319
Speaker 2: To it all the way back from Jersey and they

1422
01:11:36,319 --> 01:11:38,199
talked about delights. Delights.

1423
01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:41,720
Speaker 4: They liked that even better than gratitude, because yes, I

1424
01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:44,800
forget how they how they worded it, But the idea was, I.

1425
01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:46,680
Speaker 2: Think much like you and I would manifesting it would

1426
01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:48,920
became like a buzzword. And they were saying, but the

1427
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:51,880
delights are something that are a little easier because it's

1428
01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:54,920
the small things like my pants that that I don't

1429
01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:55,199
need to.

1430
01:11:55,199 --> 01:11:57,920
Speaker 4: Iron, right, yeah, yeah, And well when we don't notice

1431
01:11:57,960 --> 01:12:00,119
them enough, we don't pay an there's always something to

1432
01:12:00,159 --> 01:12:02,199
complain about, and there's always something to be grateful for, right,

1433
01:12:02,479 --> 01:12:04,079
And if you can make the choice, and this is

1434
01:12:04,119 --> 01:12:05,560
something you say a lot too, you know, and choose

1435
01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:09,159
the better feeling thought right. For me, it's almost always

1436
01:12:09,159 --> 01:12:11,840
on that continuum. Right, It's either I'm something I can

1437
01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:13,840
complain about or something I can be grateful for. And

1438
01:12:14,359 --> 01:12:16,720
if I'm conscious enough that I can make that choice,

1439
01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:18,960
I'm I'm trained myself to be grateful.

1440
01:12:19,079 --> 01:12:22,079
Speaker 2: So that's why I've started asking myself one am I

1441
01:12:22,159 --> 01:12:25,239
under the influence of because sometimes when I get mad

1442
01:12:25,279 --> 01:12:27,520
at myself and I go, well, choose the better feeling thought? Well,

1443
01:12:27,560 --> 01:12:29,960
I can't, right, because this is just what it's in

1444
01:12:30,039 --> 01:12:30,479
my head.

1445
01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:31,199
Speaker 5: And then I'll have to.

1446
01:12:31,159 --> 01:12:32,720
Speaker 2: Go, well, what am I under the influence of? What

1447
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:33,000
am I?

1448
01:12:33,439 --> 01:12:34,640
Speaker 5: What's really happening here?

1449
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:35,199
Speaker 2: What does this mean?

1450
01:12:35,359 --> 01:12:36,760
Speaker 3: Does this what does this emotion mean?

1451
01:12:36,840 --> 01:12:37,000
Speaker 2: Right?

1452
01:12:37,079 --> 01:12:37,359
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1453
01:12:37,399 --> 01:12:40,560
Speaker 4: And that it's temporary, right, Like, so it's okay to

1454
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:43,319
feel it and remember that it's temporary. It's like stubbing

1455
01:12:43,319 --> 01:12:43,600
your toe.

1456
01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:43,760
Speaker 2: Right.

1457
01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:45,960
Speaker 4: If you stub your toe, all you can think about

1458
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:49,680
for the next five seconds is how much your toe's right,

1459
01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:52,520
and then it passes every time. Right, And emotions are

1460
01:12:52,520 --> 01:12:54,880
the same thing. And but we don't learn that in

1461
01:12:54,920 --> 01:12:56,279
the moment we think this is the worst thing that

1462
01:12:56,279 --> 01:12:57,119
could possibly happen.

1463
01:12:57,239 --> 01:13:00,800
Speaker 2: We don't, and we repeat that pattern over and over

1464
01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:04,119
and over because it becomes so familiar. And I have

1465
01:13:04,159 --> 01:13:07,640
a son who can really feel things. I would love

1466
01:13:07,760 --> 01:13:11,920
to know what like real energy stuff if he's I

1467
01:13:11,960 --> 01:13:17,000
don't know empathic when when When we say empathic, some

1468
01:13:17,039 --> 01:13:21,680
people just absorb everybody's energy. But I would think that's

1469
01:13:22,319 --> 01:13:24,560
got to be problematic and exhausting at times.

1470
01:13:25,279 --> 01:13:28,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, at least that's my understanding of what it means

1471
01:13:28,039 --> 01:13:31,039
to be empathic. I feel like I have some of

1472
01:13:31,079 --> 01:13:34,239
those qualities as well. Yeah, picking up on other people's

1473
01:13:34,239 --> 01:13:37,960
emotions really easily and just absorbing that and it does

1474
01:13:38,119 --> 01:13:39,239
weigh down a little bit.

1475
01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:41,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you learn to sort of stay above recognize

1476
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:44,600
what it is, but stay above. I always, I always

1477
01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:47,560
use the term for many years, not really knowing, but

1478
01:13:47,680 --> 01:13:50,239
play above the noise. In other words, the gossip in

1479
01:13:50,319 --> 01:13:52,680
the office and stuff like that. Don't don't take, don't

1480
01:13:52,680 --> 01:13:53,880
get play above the noise.

1481
01:13:54,399 --> 01:13:57,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that helps a lot. And I also

1482
01:13:57,039 --> 01:14:00,920
think it's if you have a spiritual practice learning what

1483
01:14:01,039 --> 01:14:03,520
energy boundaries are and how to establish that so that

1484
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:06,359
way you can go into a crowded space and you

1485
01:14:06,399 --> 01:14:12,359
can just exist and enjoy whatever medium you're pursuing in

1486
01:14:12,359 --> 01:14:15,920
that crowded space. If you're out today, basketball game, or

1487
01:14:16,159 --> 01:14:18,239
you know, you're taking yourself on an artist state, whatever

1488
01:14:18,279 --> 01:14:22,119
it may be, learning how to hold a.

1489
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:24,399
Speaker 2: More artist state, that is going to be a thing.

1490
01:14:24,760 --> 01:14:25,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's true.

1491
01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:29,560
Speaker 2: Well, I bring up that he feels his emotions really

1492
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:34,439
intently and always has so when he was a freshman,

1493
01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:37,279
he would get so frustrated because he was losing in

1494
01:14:37,319 --> 01:14:40,359
track meets and things, and he'd that frustration was right

1495
01:14:40,399 --> 01:14:41,560
at the surface, right there.

1496
01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:43,119
Speaker 5: And I used to say to him.

1497
01:14:42,960 --> 01:14:45,439
Speaker 2: When we would walk, I would say, have dignity for yourself,

1498
01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:48,800
give yourself some grace, be kind, to yourself. It doesn't matter.

1499
01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:51,600
But I know in that moment, you don't want to

1500
01:14:51,640 --> 01:14:54,319
look like the guy who's getting blown off the track.

1501
01:14:54,439 --> 01:14:56,560
The guy can't do it. And I think those things

1502
01:14:56,560 --> 01:14:58,960
may have motivated him as a hulking human being. Now

1503
01:14:59,359 --> 01:15:04,279
I've seen him, yeah, yeah, and he but you at

1504
01:15:04,319 --> 01:15:06,000
that time, it was that. And I was just talking

1505
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:07,880
to him the other day and I said, remember when

1506
01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:09,960
we did that? And he said yeah, And I said,

1507
01:15:11,319 --> 01:15:14,439
those feelings, what do they matter today?

1508
01:15:15,039 --> 01:15:15,600
Speaker 5: Not at all.

1509
01:15:15,720 --> 01:15:18,439
Speaker 2: I mean, those races, they have no impact on you,

1510
01:15:18,560 --> 01:15:21,359
other than maybe it was part of the motivation to

1511
01:15:21,479 --> 01:15:24,439
change your body and you wanted to make yourself better.

1512
01:15:24,520 --> 01:15:28,960
I guess that I have a I don't know this

1513
01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:31,239
goes so much with the bill likeman, but I have

1514
01:15:31,359 --> 01:15:35,720
a habit of every once in a while, I will

1515
01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:39,399
just rewatch the Last Dance with the Chicago Bulls Michael

1516
01:15:39,479 --> 01:15:41,960
Jordan Scott.

1517
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:42,600
Speaker 5: I watched that.

1518
01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:46,239
Speaker 2: I just did it again, and there's something each time

1519
01:15:46,359 --> 01:15:48,680
I watch it. I take something different away. And I

1520
01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:53,359
love Phil Jackson's philosophies and the closing where they really

1521
01:15:53,399 --> 01:15:55,199
it was the last dance and they went and wrote

1522
01:15:55,399 --> 01:15:57,760
what this whole thing had meant? And then burn it

1523
01:15:57,800 --> 01:16:00,720
and do that. I'm even doing something where we wrote

1524
01:16:00,760 --> 01:16:03,960
down on Christmas Eve thirteen things that we would like

1525
01:16:04,640 --> 01:16:07,920
to happen this year, as though I wrote it more

1526
01:16:07,960 --> 01:16:11,119
in the present tense. I think everybody did. I'm so

1527
01:16:11,239 --> 01:16:15,479
happy and appreciative now that right, And then whatever it is,

1528
01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:18,520
and then each night you burn one until you're down

1529
01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:21,359
to two, and then without opening it, and then you

1530
01:16:21,439 --> 01:16:23,680
burn without looking at it. And the last one is

1531
01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:25,960
the one that you're supposed to focus on in the universe,

1532
01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:28,119
will take care of everything else, don't. I don't know

1533
01:16:28,159 --> 01:16:29,239
that's how weird I am.

1534
01:16:30,520 --> 01:16:31,760
Speaker 3: Again, I don't think it's weird.

1535
01:16:31,960 --> 01:16:33,600
Speaker 5: I did it with my sister or my mom.

1536
01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:36,159
Speaker 4: We did that, and I think those intense emotions in

1537
01:16:36,199 --> 01:16:38,720
sports in particular, right, I think you can reframe those.

1538
01:16:39,159 --> 01:16:42,680
We do work with a lot of athletes as well,

1539
01:16:42,680 --> 01:16:46,239
and you know, young kids who aren't really into therapy

1540
01:16:46,359 --> 01:16:49,439
or counseling, but they're into a sport and they're happy

1541
01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:51,159
to talk to someone who's going to help them get

1542
01:16:51,159 --> 01:16:53,479
better at the sport, right, because you know that's not

1543
01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:55,720
something that has the stigma around it. And a lot

1544
01:16:55,720 --> 01:16:58,199
of the same skills that we teach to athletes are

1545
01:16:58,279 --> 01:17:00,520
the skills that you know, we would like other people

1546
01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:02,239
to learn for regular life.

1547
01:17:02,319 --> 01:17:02,399
Speaker 1: Right.

1548
01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:06,199
Speaker 4: And so anxiety, frustration, all those intense emotions, right, that's

1549
01:17:06,520 --> 01:17:08,920
it means I care, Right, That means you really care

1550
01:17:08,920 --> 01:17:10,720
about this, right, And what would you rather be doing

1551
01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:12,119
than something you care about?

1552
01:17:12,399 --> 01:17:12,640
Speaker 2: Right?

1553
01:17:13,199 --> 01:17:16,479
Speaker 4: And so you know in those moments, you know those Yeah,

1554
01:17:16,680 --> 01:17:19,520
I think Michael Jordan's probably a great.

1555
01:17:19,279 --> 01:17:21,239
Speaker 3: Example of this, right. Yeah.

1556
01:17:21,279 --> 01:17:24,720
Speaker 4: He would purposely find, you know, issue in something that

1557
01:17:24,760 --> 01:17:25,439
other people are you.

1558
01:17:25,520 --> 01:17:27,319
Speaker 3: He would always had to have a grudge. I always

1559
01:17:27,359 --> 01:17:28,159
had had it.

1560
01:17:28,159 --> 01:17:29,199
Speaker 5: It gave him that edge.

1561
01:17:29,359 --> 01:17:31,399
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know if that's healthy or not,

1562
01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:33,279
that that's.

1563
01:17:33,079 --> 01:17:35,039
Speaker 3: What I to really care like.

1564
01:17:35,359 --> 01:17:37,680
Speaker 4: I think he was such an elite athlete, right, he

1565
01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:39,560
was so good, Like the basketball wasn't even really a

1566
01:17:39,640 --> 01:17:41,600
challenge for him anymore. He had to challenge himself in

1567
01:17:41,640 --> 01:17:43,840
other ways. And so we found other ways to really care.

1568
01:17:44,199 --> 01:17:47,079
I found other ways to really care about those moments,

1569
01:17:47,119 --> 01:17:52,000
about the and so in the negative emotions, UH provided

1570
01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:53,319
that for him in the same way that they come

1571
01:17:53,399 --> 01:17:54,920
naturally to a lot of young athletes.

1572
01:17:55,680 --> 01:17:58,159
Speaker 2: That's interesting because I also loved in that too, where

1573
01:17:58,159 --> 01:18:00,640
they somebody said, he is one of the people that

1574
01:18:00,800 --> 01:18:04,920
is truly present where everybody else is in Like that

1575
01:18:05,000 --> 01:18:07,720
last shot isn't even in his head. It's what's going

1576
01:18:07,800 --> 01:18:09,079
on right at this moment.

1577
01:18:09,439 --> 01:18:13,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, and he in a different movie about him, Michael

1578
01:18:13,720 --> 01:18:17,359
Jordan The Max. He talked about the integration of Zen Buddhism,

1579
01:18:17,560 --> 01:18:20,720
much to the influence of Phil Jackson, and how he

1580
01:18:20,880 --> 01:18:23,920
in his mind has gone through scenarios and scenarios and

1581
01:18:23,960 --> 01:18:26,720
scenarios so that he's not afraid to fail with it

1582
01:18:26,720 --> 01:18:29,119
because he's already failed, but he's already succeeded with it

1583
01:18:29,159 --> 01:18:31,880
as well. So for him to get into that last moment,

1584
01:18:32,439 --> 01:18:34,640
it's just like he's already run through it. You know,

1585
01:18:34,760 --> 01:18:37,359
whatever is going to happen is going to happen. I'm

1586
01:18:37,359 --> 01:18:40,000
gonna put my best foot forward to make it successful.

1587
01:18:40,079 --> 01:18:42,119
But if not, next play.

1588
01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:45,199
Speaker 5: Wow, I didn't know that. What's the name of that?

1589
01:18:45,279 --> 01:18:48,079
Speaker 6: Michael Jordan's The Max. It was an Imax movie that

1590
01:18:48,159 --> 01:18:52,199
came out in the late nineties after his tenure with

1591
01:18:52,239 --> 01:18:54,960
The Bulls, Before the Wizards, Before Wizards Jordan.

1592
01:18:55,039 --> 01:18:58,359
Speaker 2: Whatever, whatever that was. I mean, even they are not terrible.

1593
01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:02,640
I always think under rated to me, right, there were

1594
01:19:02,680 --> 01:19:05,039
some nights that were fifty point nights, and and and

1595
01:19:05,119 --> 01:19:06,079
different things like that.

1596
01:19:06,479 --> 01:19:08,840
Speaker 4: There's that movie with Matt Damon too, where they what

1597
01:19:08,960 --> 01:19:12,199
was in the Nike movie All the Shoe Right, And

1598
01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:15,319
in that movie, he said that the reason he wanted

1599
01:19:15,319 --> 01:19:19,520
Michael Jordan so bad for the air Jordan's ultimately was

1600
01:19:19,560 --> 01:19:21,960
that that game winning shot he made in the national

1601
01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:24,399
championship in college. He said he looked like he already

1602
01:19:24,439 --> 01:19:25,039
knew he made it.

1603
01:19:26,680 --> 01:19:28,640
Speaker 2: Yes, I did see that, and I didn't catch that

1604
01:19:28,680 --> 01:19:30,640
when when that happened.

1605
01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:31,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, there really is.

1606
01:19:31,920 --> 01:19:35,520
Speaker 2: Which we'll go back sort of to your talk of

1607
01:19:35,640 --> 01:19:40,840
time and how it's already done. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1608
01:19:40,640 --> 01:19:42,520
Speaker 4: I've already been here, I've already done this. You know,

1609
01:19:42,560 --> 01:19:45,520
we have a tough emotion, a tough you know, I've

1610
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:48,359
I've already done this. This is I've you know, this

1611
01:19:48,439 --> 01:19:51,039
is I can get through this. In fact, I already have.

1612
01:19:52,239 --> 01:19:53,720
I know it sounds it's.

1613
01:19:54,079 --> 01:19:56,760
Speaker 5: No actually as you're saying it, I'm sorry.

1614
01:19:56,800 --> 01:19:59,920
Speaker 2: I I I was like, yeah, that makes so m

1615
01:20:00,119 --> 01:20:03,920
much more sense than because I've heard doctor Deep say

1616
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:07,560
things like it's all done, It's already done, and sometimes

1617
01:20:07,880 --> 01:20:11,479
I feel real relief in the moment with him, and

1618
01:20:11,479 --> 01:20:15,399
then he leaves and then all my stuff comes back

1619
01:20:15,479 --> 01:20:18,319
like wait a second, you know, and I just the

1620
01:20:18,359 --> 01:20:20,520
way you just said it is like and I've thought

1621
01:20:20,640 --> 01:20:23,479
many times, well, you've done this before, right, you've done

1622
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:28,239
something like this before. But even that is not you know,

1623
01:20:28,359 --> 01:20:30,560
all that reassuring, but the idea of.

1624
01:20:30,399 --> 01:20:32,000
Speaker 5: Well it's already done, you already did it.

1625
01:20:32,079 --> 01:20:35,319
Speaker 2: And I like the Michael Jordan with the shot you

1626
01:20:35,319 --> 01:20:38,199
know kind of thing, is whatever happens happens. I'm going

1627
01:20:38,239 --> 01:20:41,640
to do the best I absolutely can. But it doesn't

1628
01:20:42,279 --> 01:20:47,239
mean anything. I've often say now things like what is

1629
01:20:47,279 --> 01:20:50,439
the meaning of life? Nothing other than the meaning you

1630
01:20:50,479 --> 01:20:52,920
attribute to it, and the meaning do you attribute to

1631
01:20:52,960 --> 01:20:56,159
the moment? And nothing has any real meaning other than

1632
01:20:56,199 --> 01:20:59,319
what you apply to it. And you can apply and

1633
01:20:59,359 --> 01:21:02,319
that's where like those intense feelings can come from. And

1634
01:21:02,319 --> 01:21:04,079
that's why I often say, well, one, am I under

1635
01:21:04,119 --> 01:21:06,920
the influence of and that'll kind of bring it back.

1636
01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:07,399
I don't know.

1637
01:21:07,560 --> 01:21:09,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know either. You know, I definitely don't

1638
01:21:09,920 --> 01:21:11,000
know the meaning of life for me.

1639
01:21:11,159 --> 01:21:12,319
Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh.

1640
01:21:13,239 --> 01:21:15,640
Speaker 4: When people ask me that question, I say, it's it's

1641
01:21:15,640 --> 01:21:18,640
about connections and somehow love has got to be a

1642
01:21:18,640 --> 01:21:20,239
big part of it, right, Like I think that you know,

1643
01:21:20,319 --> 01:21:23,479
we get to talk about unconditional love and kids with

1644
01:21:23,560 --> 01:21:26,600
disabilities and some of those types of things, right I.

1645
01:21:26,680 --> 01:21:29,840
You know, all the near death experiences books, you read,

1646
01:21:29,920 --> 01:21:34,319
all of the the things that are you know, more

1647
01:21:34,680 --> 01:21:37,880
spiritual in nature that that you read that are related

1648
01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:39,880
to the things that we're talking about. They all speak

1649
01:21:39,920 --> 01:21:46,520
of this kind of un this unconditional and undescribable love

1650
01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:50,199
that they experience. And so it's try to reframe negative

1651
01:21:50,199 --> 01:21:52,439
emotions in that way too, right, It's all love. All

1652
01:21:52,560 --> 01:21:56,199
these emotions are love focused in a different direction.

1653
01:21:56,359 --> 01:21:56,479
Speaker 2: Right.

1654
01:21:56,520 --> 01:21:59,159
Speaker 4: I get more frustrated with, you know, my wife when

1655
01:21:59,239 --> 01:22:01,039
something happens to be I love her so much and

1656
01:22:01,079 --> 01:22:03,520
I care so much about a relationship. I get so

1657
01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:06,399
frustrated with a student who I know has a lot

1658
01:22:06,399 --> 01:22:12,000
of potential because you know, I really love what they're

1659
01:22:12,039 --> 01:22:13,119
doing and love where they're going.

1660
01:22:13,159 --> 01:22:13,319
Speaker 3: Right.

1661
01:22:13,319 --> 01:22:16,880
Speaker 4: If I've got a student who I'm not getting frustrated

1662
01:22:16,920 --> 01:22:20,199
with or because you know, when they're when they're not

1663
01:22:20,239 --> 01:22:22,520
doing as well as they could do, then I know

1664
01:22:22,600 --> 01:22:24,800
that's a problem. It's the same kind of adage. You know,

1665
01:22:25,319 --> 01:22:27,239
you want your coach to to be hard on you.

1666
01:22:27,560 --> 01:22:29,960
That means that they see potential in you. It's all

1667
01:22:30,319 --> 01:22:32,600
I think it all comes down to love.

1668
01:22:34,039 --> 01:22:37,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say that that that is absolutely true.

1669
01:22:37,600 --> 01:22:41,479
And we talked about the dark side of things and

1670
01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:42,319
you know, these other stuff.

1671
01:22:42,319 --> 01:22:44,119
Speaker 5: I always think it's a privation of love, which is

1672
01:22:44,119 --> 01:22:44,600
a very.

1673
01:22:44,439 --> 01:22:48,920
Speaker 2: Simple philosophical philosophy that I'm forgetting. It might have been

1674
01:22:48,920 --> 01:22:51,399
Saint Thomas Aquinas that the being in everything is the

1675
01:22:51,439 --> 01:22:53,439
being in me is the being in the tree, and

1676
01:22:53,479 --> 01:22:56,119
that good is evil is just the privation of good

1677
01:22:56,159 --> 01:22:59,840
because everything that comes from the universe or God has

1678
01:22:59,880 --> 01:23:01,319
to be good and made in his image.

1679
01:23:01,319 --> 01:23:04,359
Speaker 3: And yeah, we get a little lost.

1680
01:23:04,680 --> 01:23:08,079
Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, I'm gonna my mind's going towards like simulation

1681
01:23:08,159 --> 01:23:09,359
theory now, so I'll back off.

1682
01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:13,039
Speaker 6: We you mentioned near death experiences.

1683
01:23:13,119 --> 01:23:14,039
Speaker 2: I want to couple of.

1684
01:23:13,880 --> 01:23:18,119
Speaker 6: Times here, but that idea of love that you were

1685
01:23:18,159 --> 01:23:21,439
talking about just a moment ago, People who have had

1686
01:23:21,479 --> 01:23:24,239
those positive dear death experiences say that they come back

1687
01:23:24,840 --> 01:23:26,840
and they have felt that love in a way that

1688
01:23:26,880 --> 01:23:29,760
they have never felt it before. Unconditional love that you

1689
01:23:30,079 --> 01:23:34,800
are talking about earlier, and just that a sense of

1690
01:23:34,920 --> 01:23:38,079
knowingness that it is all about love and that's one

1691
01:23:38,079 --> 01:23:40,159
of the main things that we're supposed to do when

1692
01:23:40,199 --> 01:23:43,159
we're here is just refine how we do love. How

1693
01:23:43,159 --> 01:23:45,720
can we integrate more love into the ways that we

1694
01:23:45,960 --> 01:23:49,920
exist in the world. You check out Raymond Moody's books

1695
01:23:50,079 --> 01:23:52,960
or on documentary that just came out called After Death

1696
01:23:52,960 --> 01:23:57,479
about near death death experiences, or the book series Surviving Death,

1697
01:23:57,560 --> 01:24:01,319
or the series on Netflix called Surviving Death. The episode

1698
01:24:01,359 --> 01:24:06,359
is about near death experiences are incredibly similar and that

1699
01:24:06,399 --> 01:24:08,720
they all say that I've just felt this incredible peace,

1700
01:24:08,760 --> 01:24:12,199
I felt this incredible love, and it's really just all

1701
01:24:12,239 --> 01:24:12,800
about love.

1702
01:24:13,279 --> 01:24:20,319
Speaker 2: So I have come to believe that that's resistant free. Okay,

1703
01:24:20,439 --> 01:24:23,239
say more about that, meaning that we put so much

1704
01:24:23,399 --> 01:24:25,760
resistance when I say things like we get in our

1705
01:24:25,800 --> 01:24:30,680
own way, we put resistance in our way that things.

1706
01:24:30,680 --> 01:24:35,960
But in this life, in this journey, you need the

1707
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:38,560
contrast to show you what you don't want versus what

1708
01:24:38,640 --> 01:24:42,479
you do want. But when we move into the next realm,

1709
01:24:42,520 --> 01:24:47,399
the next frequency, it's resistant free and the idea that

1710
01:24:47,439 --> 01:24:49,399
you can have that here and now. I remember the

1711
01:24:49,439 --> 01:24:53,439
song that I heard. It was like some dumb pop

1712
01:24:53,520 --> 01:24:59,600
song from the eighties. Heaven is a place on Earth. Yes, yes, yes,

1713
01:24:59,760 --> 01:25:03,000
which I never ever thought of, but because of exactly

1714
01:25:03,039 --> 01:25:05,520
that Scott that I come to.

1715
01:25:07,520 --> 01:25:07,960
Speaker 5: I don't know.

1716
01:25:08,079 --> 01:25:10,760
Speaker 2: I think that all those things and I've talked to

1717
01:25:10,800 --> 01:25:12,279
character the Mangles.

1718
01:25:12,199 --> 01:25:15,640
Speaker 6: That's at least.

1719
01:25:17,239 --> 01:25:17,960
Speaker 2: I didn't remember.

1720
01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:19,119
Speaker 5: I thought it was the Bengels.

1721
01:25:19,199 --> 01:25:20,760
Speaker 2: I would have gone with that or the Go Gos

1722
01:25:20,840 --> 01:25:24,920
or something. But I heard that and I was like,

1723
01:25:25,239 --> 01:25:27,399
it might have been on the eighties channel and serious,

1724
01:25:27,399 --> 01:25:31,720
and I went, oh, we've been trying to We're getting

1725
01:25:31,720 --> 01:25:35,279
these messages all along, and that you can have that

1726
01:25:35,760 --> 01:25:41,079
now if you just open yourself up, be more grateful,

1727
01:25:41,439 --> 01:25:45,720
find the grateful things. Life could be a breeze for everybody.

1728
01:25:45,760 --> 01:25:48,800
It's kind of your your your choice. I think I'm

1729
01:25:48,880 --> 01:25:50,199
coming to believe. I don't know.

1730
01:25:50,520 --> 01:25:53,760
Speaker 4: There's another book called The Untethered Soul. Did you read

1731
01:25:53,800 --> 01:25:54,079
that one?

1732
01:25:54,439 --> 01:25:56,439
Speaker 6: No, but you've You've recommended it to me a couple

1733
01:25:56,439 --> 01:25:59,720
of times. I just haven't edited to the stack yet.

1734
01:25:59,520 --> 01:26:03,800
Speaker 4: But I'm saying it speaks to that point, right. It

1735
01:26:03,800 --> 01:26:07,479
talks a lot about how we can experience that on Earth.

1736
01:26:07,520 --> 01:26:10,239
I struggle with it, like I I appreciate it, and

1737
01:26:10,279 --> 01:26:13,159
I think I'm getting better as I get older. It

1738
01:26:13,319 --> 01:26:16,239
having moments where it actually feels like, Okay, I'm I'm

1739
01:26:16,680 --> 01:26:18,680
I'm doing this, I'm resistance.

1740
01:26:18,239 --> 01:26:21,800
Speaker 3: Free and yeah yeah yeah right, like you said before,

1741
01:26:22,119 --> 01:26:24,680
I don't know. Yeah, we're not supposed to always be

1742
01:26:24,720 --> 01:26:24,960
that way.

1743
01:26:25,199 --> 01:26:27,520
Speaker 2: No, no, And I think the contrast shows you what

1744
01:26:27,560 --> 01:26:29,359
you do want, what you don't want, and what you know,

1745
01:26:29,560 --> 01:26:32,640
go more towards this what the better feeling thought?

1746
01:26:34,000 --> 01:26:38,840
Speaker 3: The image the picture of quantumly entangled photons? No, can

1747
01:26:38,880 --> 01:26:43,039
you google it? Yeah, google a picture of quantumly entangled photons.

1748
01:26:43,600 --> 01:26:45,359
Speaker 2: Quantumly entangled photons.

1749
01:26:45,439 --> 01:26:55,600
Speaker 3: Okay, and you should just say images, what does it

1750
01:26:55,600 --> 01:26:56,000
look like?

1751
01:26:56,960 --> 01:26:59,600
Speaker 5: Let's see images photons?

1752
01:26:59,680 --> 01:27:03,960
Speaker 2: Image? Is it looks like the Ying Yang.

1753
01:27:04,039 --> 01:27:05,079
Speaker 3: Like exactly right?

1754
01:27:05,159 --> 01:27:05,359
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1755
01:27:05,399 --> 01:27:05,760
Speaker 2: Like they.

1756
01:27:08,119 --> 01:27:09,439
Speaker 3: So the quantum level.

1757
01:27:09,439 --> 01:27:12,880
Speaker 2: The name of that signed by the way, Yeah okay, yeah,

1758
01:27:12,920 --> 01:27:13,760
that's exactly right.

1759
01:27:13,800 --> 01:27:16,399
Speaker 4: So that oh my gosh, So at a quantum level,

1760
01:27:16,439 --> 01:27:21,560
there's there's this dichotomy, right, there's I mean so much

1761
01:27:21,760 --> 01:27:22,479
isn't that amazing?

1762
01:27:22,640 --> 01:27:22,840
Speaker 5: Yes?

1763
01:27:22,920 --> 01:27:25,039
Speaker 4: And it's like so much so that you figure that

1764
01:27:25,039 --> 01:27:28,479
that's what it is. China, Ancient China they knew this. Yeah,

1765
01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:29,560
like they had to.

1766
01:27:29,840 --> 01:27:33,039
Speaker 2: The colors of the image that I'm seeing it has uh,

1767
01:27:33,359 --> 01:27:35,119
sort of a pink with the green eye and the

1768
01:27:35,199 --> 01:27:38,319
green with the pink eye and some and uh in

1769
01:27:38,359 --> 01:27:41,880
the ying yang form, and I thought, oh, that's like

1770
01:27:41,920 --> 01:27:43,039
a grateful dead signer.

1771
01:27:43,479 --> 01:27:47,239
Speaker 4: But it makes ancient Chinese people know some of this

1772
01:27:47,319 --> 01:27:49,000
quantum stuff, like how did they know this stuff?

1773
01:27:49,079 --> 01:27:51,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we don't pay attention to any of that

1774
01:27:52,119 --> 01:27:55,279
or we're relearning it now, yeah, or right opening up

1775
01:27:55,279 --> 01:27:55,520
to it.

1776
01:27:55,640 --> 01:28:00,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're you know, they hold I think coming to

1777
01:28:00,159 --> 01:28:02,840
believe that there really was thousands of years ago, completely

1778
01:28:02,840 --> 01:28:07,800
different technology that people understood that included some of what

1779
01:28:07,840 --> 01:28:12,119
we're rediscovering today. It's the only explanation for how well

1780
01:28:12,239 --> 01:28:15,960
some of our current ways of thinking about medicine overlap

1781
01:28:16,079 --> 01:28:17,760
with some of the ancient technologies.

1782
01:28:17,880 --> 01:28:22,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's interesting. And the near death experiences I find

1783
01:28:22,520 --> 01:28:23,319
those fascinating.

1784
01:28:23,600 --> 01:28:26,800
Speaker 6: Yeah. I find them fascinating as well, and they can

1785
01:28:26,800 --> 01:28:31,800
be really transformative. Not all are positive. There's a percentage

1786
01:28:31,800 --> 01:28:35,720
where people come back and they didn't have a great experience,

1787
01:28:35,760 --> 01:28:39,079
so with what they encountered or saw, it's typically a

1788
01:28:39,159 --> 01:28:42,239
lower percentage. But then there are some people who come

1789
01:28:42,279 --> 01:28:45,560
back and they say, I had this incredible experience. It

1790
01:28:45,600 --> 01:28:48,039
was all about love. Everything is love and I just

1791
01:28:48,279 --> 01:28:49,720
you know, I want to be a better person, and

1792
01:28:49,800 --> 01:28:53,039
nobody believes them, and then they don't have anybody to

1793
01:28:53,079 --> 01:28:55,840
talk about, so it becomes they're incredibly isolating. Yeah for

1794
01:28:55,920 --> 01:28:57,920
them as well, it's unfortunately.

1795
01:28:57,960 --> 01:29:01,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, you gotta be very secure or in your in

1796
01:29:01,159 --> 01:29:03,640
your in your belief right. I always think that the

1797
01:29:03,640 --> 01:29:05,479
belief is just the thought we think over and over

1798
01:29:05,520 --> 01:29:07,439
and over. If you start to think that one's gonna

1799
01:29:07,439 --> 01:29:10,000
believe me, well then no one's gonna believe you, you know,

1800
01:29:10,079 --> 01:29:13,640
But you keep going forward and eventually eventually you find

1801
01:29:13,800 --> 01:29:17,880
I guess you're your your tribe, so to speak.

1802
01:29:18,319 --> 01:29:20,119
Speaker 3: The Proof of Heaven book was that the one by

1803
01:29:20,119 --> 01:29:21,600
the neurosurgeon.

1804
01:29:21,279 --> 01:29:23,880
Speaker 6: Yep, Evan Alexander's Yeah.

1805
01:29:23,720 --> 01:29:25,720
Speaker 3: I remember that. I really enjoying that one.

1806
01:29:25,880 --> 01:29:26,720
Speaker 6: Are you reading it right now?

1807
01:29:26,840 --> 01:29:27,920
Speaker 3: I know I read it a long time.

1808
01:29:28,479 --> 01:29:30,239
Speaker 6: Awesome. Yeah, it's a it's a great read.

1809
01:29:30,319 --> 01:29:32,239
Speaker 2: All right. I have to ask this and then we'll

1810
01:29:32,319 --> 01:29:34,159
kind of close it out. This has nothing to do

1811
01:29:34,199 --> 01:29:37,560
with words. How many books a month do you read?

1812
01:29:39,520 --> 01:29:39,640
Speaker 6: Uh?

1813
01:29:40,239 --> 01:29:42,560
Speaker 2: Because I I'm trying to read all these books and

1814
01:29:42,640 --> 01:29:45,960
I can't keep up. But I'm like that must be dumber.

1815
01:29:46,399 --> 01:29:50,039
Speaker 4: Like, honestly, these days, probably not that many.

1816
01:29:50,119 --> 01:29:52,239
Speaker 3: I mean I'm writing more probably.

1817
01:29:52,560 --> 01:29:56,920
Speaker 4: I think I tried to read a little bit every day, but.

1818
01:29:56,880 --> 01:29:59,199
Speaker 5: Now yeah, me too, I try it more about twenty minutes.

1819
01:29:59,479 --> 01:30:01,920
Speaker 4: It's I see reading as sharpening my tools more than

1820
01:30:01,960 --> 01:30:02,920
anything else, now right.

1821
01:30:03,000 --> 01:30:03,119
Speaker 2: Uh.

1822
01:30:03,720 --> 01:30:05,159
Speaker 3: Doctor McCabe says this a lot.

1823
01:30:05,199 --> 01:30:08,000
Speaker 4: You know, he's in his retirement become a woodworker and yeah,

1824
01:30:08,119 --> 01:30:10,199
and he says that no matter how much time you

1825
01:30:10,239 --> 01:30:13,239
spend doing wood work, you've got a factor in twenty

1826
01:30:13,239 --> 01:30:15,319
five percent of your time is sharpening your tools.

1827
01:30:15,560 --> 01:30:15,680
Speaker 2: Right.

1828
01:30:15,720 --> 01:30:17,399
Speaker 4: And so if you spend a full day, you know,

1829
01:30:17,479 --> 01:30:20,520
doing wood work, you're spending you know, five hours because

1830
01:30:20,600 --> 01:30:22,960
you're going to spend twenty percent of your time, you know,

1831
01:30:23,560 --> 01:30:25,800
you know, sharpening your tools. And I see writing and reading,

1832
01:30:25,800 --> 01:30:27,560
and I put that in that same category. For me,

1833
01:30:27,600 --> 01:30:29,439
reading is sharpening my tools so I.

1834
01:30:29,600 --> 01:30:30,279
Speaker 3: Can write better.

1835
01:30:30,399 --> 01:30:33,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, and and writing oftentimes, this, this whole book

1836
01:30:33,720 --> 01:30:37,159
was just intended to be an exercise in sharpening my tools.

1837
01:30:37,199 --> 01:30:39,680
I didn't know that when I started. I didn't never

1838
01:30:39,720 --> 01:30:41,560
think that I would I would publish it. I thought

1839
01:30:41,560 --> 01:30:43,199
it would be more something for my family, a way

1840
01:30:43,239 --> 01:30:46,079
to kind of you know, that's great, remember this, Yeah,

1841
01:30:46,159 --> 01:30:47,560
probably the craziest story.

1842
01:30:47,600 --> 01:30:49,760
Speaker 3: I'm going to a totally like the way.

1843
01:30:49,640 --> 01:30:51,640
Speaker 2: You move things around in the book, And.

1844
01:30:52,680 --> 01:30:54,640
Speaker 4: That was all sharpening tools, right. I gave it to

1845
01:30:54,640 --> 01:30:57,359
people like you and the other folks who we meet with. They,

1846
01:30:57,640 --> 01:31:02,079
you know, one of the one of those folks, doctor LaRue,

1847
01:31:02,640 --> 01:31:04,640
you know, he got back to me and said, I'm

1848
01:31:04,680 --> 01:31:06,840
really having one of the earlier versions. I'm really having

1849
01:31:06,840 --> 01:31:09,920
a hard time following you know this and following where

1850
01:31:09,960 --> 01:31:12,520
this is going. Maybe, you know, maybe you could organize

1851
01:31:12,520 --> 01:31:14,960
it a little bit differently, And so I took that

1852
01:31:15,000 --> 01:31:18,760
feedback to heart, and then the current version is much

1853
01:31:18,760 --> 01:31:19,880
different than the original one.

1854
01:31:21,239 --> 01:31:24,199
Speaker 2: The chapter like just opening up on the cliff, to

1855
01:31:24,239 --> 01:31:30,479
me was like a big difference and more powerful. Well,

1856
01:31:30,720 --> 01:31:32,239
it was more powerful.

1857
01:31:31,760 --> 01:31:34,000
Speaker 4: There, and it took a lot of time to get there,

1858
01:31:34,000 --> 01:31:36,079
and a lot of you know, not everything far. A

1859
01:31:36,079 --> 01:31:37,840
lot of the chapters and stuff that was written that

1860
01:31:37,840 --> 01:31:40,279
were written originally are no longer part of that. Some

1861
01:31:40,319 --> 01:31:42,479
of them are making them their way into the Deep

1862
01:31:42,560 --> 01:31:44,520
Lessons book, but not a little longer part of that.

1863
01:31:44,600 --> 01:31:46,479
So it is to get back to your original question

1864
01:31:46,560 --> 01:31:51,000
about how much do I read these days? It's honestly

1865
01:31:51,039 --> 01:31:55,079
not that much, but enough consistently so that I feel

1866
01:31:55,079 --> 01:31:56,279
like I'm sharpening my tools.

1867
01:31:56,359 --> 01:31:57,319
Speaker 2: I like that.

1868
01:31:57,680 --> 01:32:00,479
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm gonna put myself in the enough distant lead

1869
01:32:00,680 --> 01:32:04,640
piece as well, just because it's it's hard with I've

1870
01:32:04,640 --> 01:32:08,800
got two young kids, spend a lot of time with Awesome.

1871
01:32:09,800 --> 01:32:11,680
I'm trying to do a little bit more writing because

1872
01:32:11,720 --> 01:32:16,119
of cliff Notes and helping edit some of some of

1873
01:32:16,119 --> 01:32:18,079
that as well, and Rob's influence of course.

1874
01:32:19,119 --> 01:32:20,000
Speaker 3: And you're going to get tenure.

1875
01:32:20,119 --> 01:32:22,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, man, I gotta get tenure. So I'm plugging through

1876
01:32:23,319 --> 01:32:25,760
articles related to the Dark Web and opioid us right

1877
01:32:25,760 --> 01:32:28,199
now and trying to oh really trying to get those published.

1878
01:32:28,319 --> 01:32:31,920
So one of them, one manuscript is in reviewer hell

1879
01:32:32,039 --> 01:32:34,079
right now. But I'm hoping that by the end of

1880
01:32:34,079 --> 01:32:36,520
the semester, this semester, that I'll all have a little

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bit more information.

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Speaker 4: One of the things I appreciate about Scott so much

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is he might be one of the most detail oriented,

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kind of practical logical people in one way, right and

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then and you're also one of the most open minded

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people in terms of your practice and the things that write.

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And this it's this wonderful, uh, it is it is

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he was the perfect person to read the fine Edition

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in this book, because I knew that you were going

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to be delect detail oriented and read it from a

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practical perspective, almost like an auditor, but at the same

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time be very open minded. And it's just such a

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wonderful thing about you.

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Speaker 6: I appreciate that, and I appreciate just getting to be

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around both of you and in the Wise Council.

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Speaker 5: The Wise Counsel I love too.

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Speaker 2: I think someday, and I don't know, because I know

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there's more that we haven't talked about that you do,

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and I don't know what you would talk about or

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not talk about, but I'd love to do like a

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one on one. Yeah, if you were open to talking

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about reiki and some things and other healing medalities and

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shaman stuff, and I don't know if.

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Speaker 6: You, Yeah, I would. I would love to talk about that.

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Speaker 2: Because I think what you're doing it at the university,

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I love that, and I guess I'm more impressed at

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that the school itself, like you've really opened them up.

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Speaker 4: It's it's an elective course, right, we cover all our

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evidence based stuff and everything else we need than the curriculum.

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And so there's the only reason to not do it

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is if someone really had strong negative feelings about it. Right,

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and we're in school of nursing, you know, we're surrounded

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by people who are you know, in hospice and places

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like that every day, and so this is we're going

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to be in a place that's going to be welcoming

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to this type of thing.

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Speaker 3: We're in the right place.

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Speaker 2: Well, I guess I always thought of higher learning institutions

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as a place to exchange ideas. I don't have to

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agree with everybody, but most of the time, the exchange

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of ideas with evidence based behind it or something to

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that effect, I always thought was really important and it

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sometimes gets lost these days.

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Speaker 5: And I love that.

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Speaker 2: Saint John Fisher University, wtch I am a proud amum

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of the college. Wasn't the university when I was there?

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Speaker 4: Tried to get you in the hall of Fame. So

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apparently it's defunct.

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Speaker 2: It's defunct, and I.

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Speaker 5: Found out why it was defunked and all that too.

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Speaker 2: But I'm thinking, at some point, if I I was

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going to use the word manifests, if I could manifest

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things in a way I really want to, I would

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love to bring it back because it needed funding, and

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I think that was part of the part of the thing,

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like anything right is funding.

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Speaker 6: Let me just interject really quickly too. Both of you

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have mentioned evidence based treatments and things of that nature,

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and yep, route we absolutely do our evidence based mental

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health counseling, addiction counseling, adolescent counseling, every persuasion of it too.

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But there's an evidence base for a lot of the

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complimentary treatment methods we talk about as well. That also

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just doesn't get it. It doesn't time in the sun.

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So we integrate that too as part of the course,

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and it's a big part of what we do, even

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though we do value some of the more anecdotal or

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phenomenological experiences that people have when it comes to these modalities,

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and I think that's really difficult to just ignore those

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as well.

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Speaker 2: I agree, I think it is difficult to ignore them.

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And I think you're starting to see more what we

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would refer to as Western modern medicine except thing or

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integrating or suggesting to people to try different.

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Speaker 3: Looking at the whole person.

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, Doctor deep is actually his expertise is in

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what's called aerobatic medicine, yes, which and which is an

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Indian approach that it really looks at the whole person

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and it includes you know, evidence based practice and in

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some cases pharmaceuticals and things like that, but it's recognizes

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how all of these things.

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Speaker 3: Can work together.

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Speaker 4: I think if we're doing a good job of trying

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to help make sure that people understand that there's, you know,

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there's two sides to healing.

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Speaker 2: I think Clifton Springs Hospital has a whole uh sort

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of I don't know that what you would call, but

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more of this nor natural healing than other places that

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I've ever it was.

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Speaker 5: Just yeah, they do.

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Speaker 4: That's and in India they have it within their twenty

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twenty five I think it's their twenty twenty five plan.

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I forgot it's twenty twenty five or twenty seven national

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plan to have naughty rods in every hospital and every school.

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Speaker 5: Wow, okay, all right, I'm.

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Speaker 3: Sure it's part of that.

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Speaker 4: We're we uh you know, our work there was was

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part of influencing that to happen.

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Speaker 3: So it's wild.

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Speaker 5: It is wild because nothing happens by accident.

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Speaker 2: So all that's great. It's the website up where you can.

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Speaker 3: Get yeah, so it's a cliff notesbook dot com.

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Speaker 5: Okay, and so I didn't know if it was live.

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Speaker 2: You sent that it is.

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Speaker 4: It's live, and so that if you go to cliff

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notesbook dot com you can buy it directly through the publisher.

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You can also get it on Amazon. I think it's

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the same price either way, which but uh, you know,

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Amazon takes a big cut if you get it through Amazon.

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So if you got a choice, go through cliff notesbook

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dot com.

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Speaker 2: Cliff notesbook dot com very good, uh and Scott, any

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uh anythings we need to be reading or looking for

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From your.

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Speaker 6: Question, what I would say is, if you are interested

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in energy healing, the Energy Cure by William Beanston Bill

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Bangston is a great place to start, especially if you

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are more of an analytical mind and going down that path,

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and if you're interested in riki. William rand is usually

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the name that comes up for practitioners in the US,

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and there's there's hundreds of books I could mention right now,

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but I think those would be the two that I

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would put out there just to encourage people that they're

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interested in that go and pursue it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that there's uh more to this life

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and more to our abilities than we even know, and

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that that was I think more out of the Wise

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Council spawned the Enlightenment in a sense.

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Speaker 5: You know, so I love that.

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Speaker 2: I really I appreciate you coming in, doctor rob Rice,

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doctor Scott McGinnis on facult Think at St. John Fisher University.

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Please go to cliff notes dot com. The book is entertaining.

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Speaker 4: Cliff notesbook dot. Do you go to cliff Notes, then

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you you'll get like a it's which is that Cliff's Notes, right?

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Is the is the original the yellow books? That this

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is cliff Notes, cliff Notes book, cliff notesbook dot.

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Speaker 2: Right. Okay, thank you, because you'll even see how handy

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Rob is. As we've talked about his writing and things

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like that. He even renovated the entire camper that you're

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camping in, like all that.

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Speaker 3: That's my favorite thing.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, let's see working with your hands. I like that too.

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Speaker 3: It's important.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, gentlemen. And this has been another installment of

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bill Lightenment and will become its own thing in twenty

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twenty five. And I will see you tomorrow. Step into

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your power, child,