Speaker 1: Hope you want it, you can have it. All you
gotta do is Joseph, beach out and grabot. Hope you
want it, You can have it. All you got to
do is joseh reach right out and grab it.
Speaker 2: Step into your power. Always like beginning the bill lightenments
with that song by rayl' montane, just because it's I
don't know, it's just right there. Today is doctor rob
Rice and doctor Scott McGinnis, both on the faculty of
Saint John Fisher University, and we're going to talk about
doctor Robb's book, which I love cliff notes, and I
got to read the manuscript for this. And then when
I was reading and I don't know, I assume I
have a final and.
Speaker 3: I give you the last one. I don't ask breakfast.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, what picture did they have on it? It's it's, uh,
the guy with a dog in his back.
Speaker 3: No, you you have you still have one of the proofs?
Speaker 2: Okay, well the way it just changed and it opens
up with you already on the cliff with the dog.
It I gotta tell you, like, I got sweaty palms.
I read that chapter twice on purpose because it was
so I thought it was so well written, like I
felt like I was there, I was getting anxious, I
was getting and I go to read and have that
that that's something.
Speaker 4: I really appreciate that because it's uh, well, you actually
were one of the people who really uh inspired me
to keep going with some of that because this is
a different kind of writing than I've done in the past.
You know, I'm at a point now in my career
at Fisher where I can do this kind of writing
because I enjoy it. And yes, but you know, prior
to that, it was more scientific.
Speaker 2: Writing and academia. Yeah, and even.
Speaker 4: My first book was you know, to Train. You know,
I came on this podcast to talk about it, to
train therapists how to use video games and therapy, and
so you know, each chapter in that book, I got
to tell some case examples and talk about some stories
from clinical work, and that felt really good, you know.
But that you know, that was probably only a thirty
percent of that book. Most of that book was more
you know, research oriented and approach oriented. This book is
more creative, and I was anxious about it, and so
I really appreciate you reading it.
Speaker 2: Because I loved it. I even love the like early
on in the book where you talk about manifestation and
how like today, I almost feel like it's become a buzzword.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm trying to think of a I don't like
to use that word for that reason.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I know exactly what you're saying.
Speaker 2: And in the book you even say like, because most
of the time, what you're told to do, And I'm
not sure I one hundred percent agree with this picture
it as it's already done.
Speaker 5: My thing would be go to the feeling you would
have if you had that.
Speaker 2: How would it feel if and then you just watch
your whole mood and your vibration, I believe raise and
so that helps. But you said in the book like
it's already done in the future, you just got to
get there.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well you used like you use some quotes in the
book and Michaelangelo talks or is it Michael talk about
seeing the angel inside the marble and I'm just setting
it free.
Speaker 3: I'm so happy that you remember that.
Speaker 2: That's so cool.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I mean it gets even weirder than that, right.
We talk about the the doctor deep stuff and time
as a you know, a form of energy but not
necessarily something that we experience in the same way. And
so yeah, time is a big one. You know, if
we talk about time today, then well that could be
a whole podcast.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. It is a very big one because
I don't know, there's all kinds of things that are
going to go happen. I believe in twenty twenty five
that'll change things. I've talked to a lot of people,
a lot of people with like energy and stuff, and
I don't know, because I know Scott is very into
this as well. But indeed, I.
Speaker 5: Think that I've been told like it's going.
Speaker 2: To be a bumpy start, but it's going to be
amazing when everything kind of comes out. Whatever that is.
Speaker 4: I just love that you're doing this, Bill, It's so cool.
I just love that you're doing it.
Speaker 2: It's weird. Well, like you, I get afraid because I
want to make like Bill Lightenman its separate own podcast,
and I'm not doing that exactly yet, and I'm.
Speaker 5: Like, well, how do I do it?
Speaker 2: Just do it? Yeah, I think that's the biggest thing.
And I don't know why I've gone back to this too,
and I'm sorry, We'll get back to the book. Oh pok,
don't worry about it, but do hard things. And I
know that that sounds kind of weird because it's supposed
to be easy. But by pushing yourself a little bit,
you want to feel.
Speaker 4: Better and that's not even necessarily Well, that's your fault thing, right,
I mean.
Speaker 2: No, but that's your fault because I said to you
the last time we were together, Uh, doctor Rice's daughter
is was she the field hockey player of the year
in our area? She was?
Speaker 4: She was a Primetime five field hockey player of the year.
Speaker 2: Okay, and you've made videos for and making those videos
is take is time consuming and finding the clips and
doing all that. You've written this book, you're working on
another book. You're the head of your department at Saint
John Fisher University. I go, where's the time? Oh?
Speaker 5: And you have mind fit. Let's not forget that.
Speaker 4: It's that's part of being an academic. You're supposed to
do different stuff. It sounds impressive, but we've got a
lot of time to able to do someone.
Speaker 2: No, yes, it is impressive. Rights And I went, where
do you find the time? And you said, well, I
don't really watch TV. And I went, okay, you got
to do hard. You just got to do it. Well.
Igine was. Honestly, what has changed me going into twenty
twenty five.
Speaker 4: I'm glad man happy for that. And we put some
of that in your water this morning too. Yeah, I mean, honestly,
it's I think that I often think, what if I
couldn't do this right? How much would I want to
be able to do this stuff? If I couldn't do
it right? And so whatever, I'm kind of faced with
resistance and I'm don't want to do one of these things.
It's like an easy shift, right, Like what if I
couldn't do this, Like what if I was I don't know,
not that being a shoe salesman's all that bad. It's
probably got its moments. But if I was a shoe
salesman and I was dreaming about, you know, doing therapy
and writing books and doing that kind of stuff, like
how much would I want to do it if I
couldn't do it right?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: I think you'd want to do it a lot. I'm
thinking two things. One I didn't have the camera where
I wanted it, and two, this is how my mind goes.
I'm thinking about if I was a shoe salesman, how
bad some people's feet just smell like a bag of Frito's.
Speaker 4: I just want to be they well, I just want
to shooause the al Bundy and Mary children they used
to you know, that was they made that the worst
possible job on married.
Speaker 2: Which somebody said, the two most famous shoes salesmen in history,
Al Bundy and Michael Jordan.
Speaker 3: That's fantastic.
Speaker 2: So the what do you hope people take away from
the book?
Speaker 4: Cliff notes, I hope that So I'm hoping to appeal
to a couple of different audiences, right, I think that
I'm hoping that some people can read it and just
enjoy the adventure and the story is.
Speaker 2: Get you get sweaty in that first chapter.
Speaker 3: I got sweaty when I was up there, I can imagine.
Speaker 4: And then the other thing I'm hoping is, you know,
for some people who want to think about some other
things a little bit more in depth in terms of
just consciousness and all the quantum stuff going on around us,
and the power of gratitude in some of those things,
things that were really poignant and important for me while
I was up there and experienced that that story. I
am hoping that it prompts them to look into some
of those things. Right, So I cite some different books
work by Larry Daci called One Mind. We talk about
doctor Poto's work and beat Austin's work in water and
water memory, and so on one hand, I'm hoping people
just enjoy the story. I'm hoping maybe a percentage of
those people say, oh, this is kind of interesting and
look into some of the other work of those folks.
Speaker 2: It's deeper than just a story, right, And I think
that that you question. You said you were questioning your
place in the universe since your father had passed fourteen
years prior, and just kind of what the importance was
and all that. And there is something that I get
out of the book and I hesitate to ask this,
but I will because that's what I do. I'll ask
it because you mentioned you talk about being a diabetic.
So imagine you're on a cliff. I don't even know
what the dimensions of this thing is, but I'm picturing
something that maybe six feet wide. I don't know.
Speaker 4: Well, it was actually so there was there wasn't even
really a ledge. It was you know, Walter, my dog
was on probably half the size of the cushion on
your chair, so he was kind of half on that
half off of that, I wasn't not sure how he
hung on there as long as he did. And then
I had one foot kind of stuck in a crack
in the rock, and then one foot was on a
little twig of a tree that was kind of growing
out from the cliff, and so there wasn't even really
a ledge. And yeah, the diabetes certainly came into play.
My sugar was going down despite the stress, and so
I had to call for my wife to throw me
a cliff.
Speaker 2: Clipfar and then the whole just how she going to
get it over and what's going to happen and how
do I do it that? If I'm reading, I mean,
like all these things and it's so you're you're right
there in that moment, but all these things that you
start to think, like, well, I'm bigger than I think
those moments, those scary moments, and you hear people who
have had the near death experience. I don't know that
that's exactly what that is, but damn close inches, I
don't know. I think you start to kind of take
a little stock in well, what's really happening here, right,
really happening here?
Speaker 4: It is the difference between my experience and a near
death experience, right, is I didn't actually die, right, And
so you know, and perhaps Scott will talk a little
bit more about that when when we get to talking
about some of that stuff. You know, I think it's
kind of equivalent to awe.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: You know, if you've ever been on top of a
mountain or whatever gives you awe, whatever gives you that
sense of aw there's plenty of research now that suggests that,
you know, this sense of awe being you know, that
being part of something bigger has tremendous therapeutic effects. And
I think that's what I felt. You know, I wouldn't
have chosen to feel it that way, but I think
that that's I think that's what it was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that I would agree with that. As
you're saying that, I was just thinking. I was having
a discussion with my sister, who's into I don't know,
I want to say this, but life, and she was
telling my son about the power of meditating with other
people only because and he was like, I don't know
if I could do that. And I was thinking, I
don't know if I could do that, and she said,
it's just that the energy is higher and you tap
in and I think my kid would.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but then they can.
Speaker 2: Read your thoughts. She said, no, they can't, No one can.
But it just helps you and just as the collective.
But you're right, we feel bigger, bigger responsibility. I think
one of the things that I took, and I don't
know if this was even a purpose, but I see you,
doctor Rice, as a guy who's making hay while the
sun shines. If that's fair to say. The idea of
how the diabetes in your mind is almost a shot clock.
I don't know if that's fair to say or not.
But you're doing the forty six with your daughter because
for two reasons. One is she's going to sort of
grow out of wanting to spend time with dad so much,
and the other is I don't know how my body's
going to be. And I think that that's amazing. I
think that we should all think that way, because the
journey ends, right, the journey ends at least here, and
then where you go next it's different. But what what
do you want to do while you're here?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, yes, and right.
Speaker 4: One of the things that we'll probably talk about, doctor
Deep at some point during the podcast, but one of
the things he talked about during his last visit to
the Saint John Fisher University was this idea of meditation
and mindfulness not not being about completely being in the moment.
It's about recognizing. It's almost more like driving. Right, you're
you know where you've been, you know where you're going,
and you're cognizant of everything that's around you in that moment,
right right. I think that that takes a lot of practice,
and I think that I don't know, I probably am
trying to make hay while you know, while I can.
And you know, I think you and I are in
a similar place in that regard. Right, get to a
certain point in our life where it's it's.
Speaker 2: Like I gotta go now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought about it, right, like I am the
resist like that yeah book right, the uh the war
of Art, Ye, the War of Art, and that's resistance
is so real it is right, and so.
Speaker 2: It becomes lazy, like I could feel it today and
because uh, I had done it for a while and
then stopped for a while, and then I saw you guys,
and uh, Scott said, Doctor mcginney said to me, Uh.
Speaker 3: We should do we should do first names any.
Speaker 2: Scott, I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 5: I like, I just look at it this way.
Speaker 2: You guys have done something I haven't done, and I
think it should be recognized.
Speaker 4: My students generally don't. Like I want my students to
call me doctor Rice, But every once in a while,
like once in a while they'll they'll say it, and
I'm like, oh my god, you respect me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'll say that, get a doctor. It's a lot.
I watched my sister do. It's a lot, my dad.
Speaker 4: I don't know if it's the same though, you like
when we were when I went through school, I definitely
like even you know, Tom and Jan and all my mentors.
I called them doctor and doctor Williams and doctor McCabe
and right up until I finished my doctorate.
Speaker 3: Am I I don't know that, Like, yeah, to our
students stuff, and we don't.
Speaker 4: They might probably the culture that we've created partly partly
the culture.
Speaker 5: Well that's not necessarily a bad thing.
Speaker 2: It might be a little more cat tool that there
feel free to talk because it is a psychology classes.
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, I think apartment. Yeah, and there's both sides,
there's two sides to it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, taking everybody comfortable, Oh, I only say it because
I just think that it is an impressive thing to do,
and I I have people in my family who have
done it, and I know how much you work, how
how much work goes into that. You know how much time, effort, money,
all that money, for sure money.
Speaker 6: Definitely wouldn't want to do it again, that's for sure.
Speaker 4: Yeah, probably wouldn't have done it if we knew what
we were getting. Get It's one of those things where
you look back and you're like, all right, I did.
Speaker 2: That, But it's a little bit of pride, a little
bit of accomplishment. I've got something, you know that I
that I did and many people don't. How many people
drop out of these programs and just end with the
masters and just decide that's.
Speaker 3: That's a lot of.
Speaker 4: That's once you get a dissertation, right, Yeah, Yeah, you
have a funny story about meditating together before I forget
and we get too far off of that.
Speaker 3: So you've met Gene, doctor McCabe.
Speaker 4: It's the breakfast group that we have everyone, the wise
counsel that we get together with so often. Uh, you know,
a couple iterations ago, we Gene suggested that we do
a body scan together. So basically and it sounds like
something appropriate, but it's not. You get They came in
at our house and there's this guy, Dan Siegel, who
is an excellent research or author, talks a lot about
mindfulness and and he guided us on this body scan
where you go through different parts of your body and
really experience them in the moments you know, separate. And
so we're lay now trying to trying to do this together,
and I remember thinking to myself, so I invited my
friends over for a nap.
Speaker 5: But you're supposed to go through and think about.
Speaker 2: Each part of your body right as you feel it,
kind of and I don't know, and I don't know
what the right amount of time to do with that.
I've had one person on Bill Lightman who says, uh,
you know, just met it hate for three minutes to
really get into it and ask the question what do
I need to know today? And then I've read like
fifteen minutes was always my norm, And sometimes I feel
like I my brain just like lately has been this
this where you're talking about being in the moment, and
I always think that if you can just kind of
get down to the moment, that sign breaths yeah, but
it doesn't always. It doesn't always get there for me.
I don't know.
Speaker 4: I'm not great at it either. But the one breath
thing is I can do it for a moment, right,
It's like the what's the country singer? And not as
good as I once was?
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, Toby Keith?
Speaker 3: Yes, right, so this song.
Speaker 2: I always love that song.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I'm not great at it either, but I
can do I can do it for a breath. I
can do it for a moment and that sometimes that's enough.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes that is enough. Well, doctor McGinnis does a
lot of different things. You want to talk about the
course you guys are creating. Where do we want to
kind of.
Speaker 6: Yeah, when we talk about the course, I think it's
pretty neat. Yeah, and I'm grateful that we're able to
do it. And that's a big things to Rob and
our dean for allowing that to happen in our nursing school.
Speaker 2: Well, take a break here and we'll come back and
hear some really forward thinking things that are happening at
Saint John Fisher University with doctor Rob Rice and doctor
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Ron Rice and doctor Scott McGinnis, who are introducing an
elective course at Saint John Fisher University. And I would ask,
how did you pitch this course when it was just
an idea?
Speaker 6: I mean for me, it was really easier. I said, hey, Rob,
do you is this okay? If we do list? And
he's like, sure, why not.
Speaker 4: The benefits of having someone who doesn't with a lot
of ambition, who doesn't know what he's doing.
Speaker 2: It's the greatest thing.
Speaker 6: But what we were trying to come up with was
a course that talked about some of these methods of
healing that sometimes end up on the periphery. If you
look in academic literature, sometimes they're referred to as complimentary
treatment methods. Sometimes that's complimentary and alternative treatment methods. There
are universities out there, University of Arizona for examp, and
also some pretty heavy hitters in terms of research hospitals
like Mayo Clinic out and Rochester, Minnesota that do that
are really interested in some of those complimentary methods and
what we were talking about, things like energy healing, things
using hypnosis, acupuncture, anything else that is a willness modality
that you can put in there that is hopefully going
to have some positive effects for somebody.
Speaker 2: So wow, that isn't taught anywhere really that I know of.
And as you're saying this, I remember I thought some
of the hospitals around here were doing migraine centers for
migrain headaches. That was soft music, soft lighting and breath
control and trying to get you into a place. Sometimes
medicine was needed, if it even intravenously for people had
really bad migraines. But I remember being in there twice
once with my wife at the time, and I think
maybe for myself, and it was just impressive. It was
just different that that's normally not it's bright lights and
a doctor and a laboking on, well i'll try this,
and that I thought that was different. I like seeing
that that there's some acceptance of that. And certainly it
seems like, at least with acupuncture, more of the Eastern
world had always accepted this sort of stuff, and yet
the Western I don't know why sometimes we shy away
from that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think there's a lot that can be said
about that, and we can certainly go down a rabbit
hole talking about those things, just differences and cares of
modality and philosophy in the way we operate with healthcare
here versus in other areas. It might be a good
time to transition and talk about some of the things
that doctor Deep does because he's there's an integration that
it seems like it's happening in India and different hospitals
and schools with the knotty water, so it's really a convergence.
Some modality is when you're taking the East and the West,
but there seems to be a separation here. I think
one of the main things that I wanted our students
to understand is that this doesn't have to be an
either or, it's an and with So if you've got
the potential to heal through an Eastern method, absolutely take
advantage of that. Help your clients pursue that. If they're
interested in it, If they have an opportunity to go
down the traditional western route, absolutely go down that path.
The object is you want somebody to get better from
whatever they're struggling with, and if you can achieve that
with reiki, something that great. If you can achieve that
with standard pharmaceutical prescriptions, awesome, go and do that. But
opening the minds of some of our students who are
there who have an interest but maybe just don't know
where to go, so we can talk about some different
methods and point them in the right direction.
Speaker 5: With things like like reiki. I'll ask this week.
Speaker 2: My mom's level three. I don't know how many levels are?
Is there a master? There's only three?
Speaker 6: Well? Three, and then there's like a master's or something
a little bit in addition to that.
Speaker 2: So I had her do raking on me once, and
I was telling you before doctor w Reich showed up
that I couldn't I was like I started, I was crying,
but it wasn't Boo who was just flooding out of me.
Like I couldn't stop. I couldn't even really see. I
had to sit and wait like before, because it was
right before I was going to drive back to Rochester,
and I thought, but that's weird. But I sometimes wonder
with that kind of healing, do we have to have
a belief in our mind more so than the chemistry,
because the chemistry, like if I go and I get
a pill for something, I I it works, but maybe
it only works until I stopped taking it and then
I get sick again.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to always think of that because I think
that that natural energy healing is a very very real
thing and it's and it's here. But sometimes I wonder,
and I think most of that comes from even like
Jesus putting the year back on somebody and going, don't
tell them I did this, because they're gonna put doubt
in your head and you're gonna you know, and then
it'll fall off. So that would be the mind. And
I don't know where that all comes into play. Yeah,
I don't. I don't know that.
Speaker 6: If you go and get a Riki healing or we
can talk about the Bankston healing method as well. That
you have to have that belief that I'm going to
get better from this immediately. I think you're gonna benefit
from it, whether it is an actual energy event or
if there's some sort of placeible healing that's going.
Speaker 2: On right there.
Speaker 6: One I'll talk about the Bankston method just because I
appreciate that there's an academic research base to it where
people in that modality were taken or they are all
biology majors and they were trained to heal mice who
had been injected in with cancer, and all of the
biology majors didn't have a belief that anything was going
to happen. So the mice got better, and the biology
majors at that point were wondering how that happened because
they didn't think anything was going to happen to them.
They didn't I should say that I didn't think anything
was going to happen to the mice, But they all
ended up getting better, and they really didn't want to
have any kind of part in it. They were just
kind of coarse to be a part of the experiment,
just to see what was going to happen.
Speaker 2: And when you talk about this experiment with the energy
and the mice, Wow, what where's the energy it's from? Us?
Speaker 5: From healers.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it really depends on what modality we're looking at.
So something like ray Ki, there's this idea that it's
coming from a universal source that ever runs out. If
you were to talk to Bill Bankston about where the
energy is coming from, he said that he will probably
tell you he doesn't have a great theoretical model for it, okay,
but he would say that he's seeing results with it.
So being able to put that together in terms of
where it's coming from is difficult.
Speaker 4: It has been one of the fun things for me
about teaching this course with Scott, and Scott's the primary
teacher of this course. I do one credit, you do
to credits. I think that's the breakdown, right and and
some of my it's been I think one of the
fun things about the course, and I think one of
the things that students really appreciated about the course is,
you know, Scott's got this great background in these energy
healing modalities. He's seen you know, he practices this. Hey,
I've gotten good outcomes, you know. I'm more interested in
the kind of contemporary science around this stuff. Right, We're
going from a place where we're you know, really focused
on things at the molecular level to now a place
where you know, we're able to look at things at
more of a quantum level, right, And so what that
stuff fascinates me. And so the goal of the course
is to really integrate and we've the you know, what
what people have been doing and the outcome they've been
getting and how they've been doing that with what we're
learning in quantum science right now, and what we think
that means about how this works.
Speaker 2: So I think that we live maybe more in the
Western world as a society and to see it, touch it,
feel it than I believe it kind of world. So
if we see the science that's working, I wonder if
more people are becoming because I so I went down
to my sisters for Christmas, and I have a ten
year old nephew and a twelve year old niece. And
my ten year old nephew asked me if I would
bring some knotty water. Awesome, because see I had brought
everybody knotty water the year before. And I said absolutely,
And he goes just and my sister said, just a
starter thing, even if we can fill it and add
other water too, And I said, no problem, So I
do that. And then my twelve year old niece has
all kinds of questions, but very analytical in that she's
saying to me, so you can't change the molecular makeup
of water, So is it still water because it would
be like a slush of it. And I said, no,
there's energy. And then so I'm listening and I said,
when you've freezed water, you'll see the patterns of energy
that are somewhat chaotic. And then when it's healed with
not healed, but one knotty energy is in. I was
just going to say interviewed, and that's not the word integrated.
Integrated into the water, you start to see connective patterns, right,
you see more.
Speaker 3: Circular Beat to Austin.
Speaker 4: So for people who are interested in this stuff, I
would look up VI to Austin. She has some really
cool work looking at intelligence and memory of water. Builds
on previous work from doctor Emoto who had some really
japan yep, very interesting book took some creative liberties in publication,
which is, you know, raised some skepticism around his work
and then Beat to Austin kind of took it and
tried to apply some more chraical methods to it, but
still very artistic and open minded to water. And so
she's done some really cool experiments, including with natty water.
Doctor Deep and her spent some time together and then
a number of experiments where they would take tap water
and they would freeze it and examine the crystals, and
then take that same tapwater and charge it with Noddy
and freeze it again, and consistently the natty charge knotty
water would freeze and there would be an.
Speaker 3: Image of a lotus okay on the water.
Speaker 4: And so nurses at Saint John Fisher University have started
to repeat this experiment because we've got the natty rout
at Sint John Fisher University and doctor Deep came and
train people on on the natty approach, and so we've
had nurses repeat this experiment and they're sending me pictures
all the time of their tap water before and after
freezing and same thing, same thing. It's I'll have to
at some point, fine, I'll send you some pictures and
you can put them on the website that I.
Speaker 2: Like that, because so as my niece is now, she's
getting like annoyed with and she's coming at me hard,
and she's twelve, and I'm going, okay, I'm feeling like
a dummy here. But I said, they're doing you know,
a Harvard University. I believe MIT has done some stuff.
Speaker 5: Yeah, maybe something at Columbia.
Speaker 2: Columbia. I thought there was some place in the west
Saint John Fisher for sure university. And I said, there
there is an energy in it. And I said something
about uncoated DNA and how DNA junk.
Speaker 5: DNA and how we're finding it.
Speaker 2: And then I got a whole lecture on you don't
want to wake that up because there we have turned
that off for a reason. You don't want to bring
back these diseases and things that are in that DNA.
And I'm going okay. So I tried to just yes
end because I didn't at this point. Now the twelve
year old is speaking above my intelligence. I have no idea,
but I am such a believer. I believe the naughty
water absolutely as energy and healing properties and is holds
an intelligence. But I think water as a whole right.
Speaker 4: And again I mean Scott and I will have different
perspectives on this, but hopefully complementary perspectives on this. Right
you know, Scott, would you can talk more about this
in a healing setting. Uh, from a scientific perspective. One
of the things I've gotten a chance to do since
meeting doctor Deep is interview coobal experts. So I got
to I went through a period of time where I
interviewed people from Cambridge and from Harvard and from UCLA
in different modalities they were in. One person was a
cerebral spinal fluid scientists, and he studied how knotty water
when infused into cerebral spinal fluid would change the dynamic
of how that cerebral spinal fluid was was absorbed in
what it did. And he looks at all the different
sensors and stuff in our nervous system that uh that
respond to cerebral spinal fluid. And then that was doctor
Moro's apatara. And then doctor Madame Thanglivou from Cambridge. He's
a genetic scientist and he studied this junk DNA and
so he's looked at how the knotty water and other
forms of energy healing can actually activate and deactivate certain
genes in particular, Uh, this junk DNA that that we
didn't really understand how it worked before.
Speaker 2: Okay, it's amazing to me and I love knowing that
there are for those who are maybe more skeptical, the
science behind it. That's that's where I think that that
changes people a little bit, right, because again, see it,
touch it, feel in the world, the reality, but anything
you're I have become such a believer that are we
live our life in our head, in our mind and
our perspective.
Speaker 4: We just read another book that we've talked about that
gets on that a little bit, right, don't believe everything
that you think?
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and yeah right. And that even goes back
to because I had for a while read a lot
of ticked on Han who is a Vietnamese Buddhist monk
who's kicked out of Vietnam and uh, but very interesting
and along the same lines of at least that was
sort of my introduction into all this. I don't know
what I call it.
Speaker 5: I just think it's it's life.
Speaker 2: I think it's real and it's there and you have
the power and whether or not you decide to tap
into that is I.
Speaker 4: Think one of the reasons it's cool is because we
don't have words for it, right, And that's one of
the reasons why it's hard to, you know, really teach
about some of this stuff. Is there there aren't words
to explain some of these things. I think we're finding them.
We're coming to a place where we're able to understand
a little better. But maybe we're not supposed to.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah, I would love to might allowed
to just sit in on a class to see and
just here. I think that sounds I think it's really interesting.
And I love that the School of Nursing is open.
I love that Saint John Fisher University is open to
all of this.
Speaker 3: They've been very Dean's been super supportive.
Speaker 4: We had every time doctor Deep's come, she's arranged for
him to to present. And now we've got a training
that Scout's organizing this summer.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we're we're working on bringing more energy healing modality
trainings to our students and hopefully that's going to happen
within the near future. So we've had a number of
students go off and pursue their own energy healing training
after that class, in particular, just because they had some
really neat and interesting experiences while they are in there.
So rather than have them go off to other universities
or training centers, just let's start bringing more things in.
Speaker 5: That's my Yeah, what what is getting me?
Speaker 2: I asked?
Speaker 5: What healings?
Speaker 2: Will?
Speaker 6: Well? Right now, I would love to have a Bankston
healing training at Saint John Fisher University.
Speaker 2: Bankston was what reiki, I don't it's it's just his
own thing.
Speaker 6: It's a separate modality. William Bankston was a tenured professor
of sociology and an incredible statistician, and he had an
interest in healing and he ended up meeting a healer
years and years ago, and this healer was somewhat afraid
of their powder that they had. Yes, so Bill was
able to take that method to certain the laboratory setting,
saw some really really interesting results with that, and that's
where this line of academic publications started to come from.
Injecting mice with cancer and seeing cancer emit in those
mice and then being then going off and turning people
how to do it and having really interesting anecdotal results
with inflammatory conditions sort of cancers, things of that nature.
Speaker 2: So you would train students or anybody who takes the course.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, what I would say is we would we
would bring in the trainers who are doing it every day,
who are really enmeshed in whatever method they're using, and
then just make that available for students, make that a
little bit more accessible, because it could be kind of
it can be intimidating if you're going into that world
then you don't really know which direction to go because
there are so many different healing modalities out there, between
Riki and quantum touch and healing touch and the Bankston method,
passlave regression, hypnosis, all of those things. Nattie, of course, yes.
Speaker 2: So so you would, so the banks and method would
be possibly I'm asking this Tad at Saint John Fisher
University that would you at the end be yourself a
Bankston healer with or is that.
Speaker 6: With the way that their training is set up, you
don't walk away with a certificate saying I am like
an officially approved Bankston healer. That's different than something like Reeky,
where you get certificates at the end where you can
see I'm Reki one, two, two or three, but you
can that you did the training and you've been practicing,
and but there isn't any official you're a certified Bingston practitioner.
You can read his book as well, The Energy Cure,
and get all of the same information, and he goes
through the method and at the back of the book
just how to practice it and implement it. And you
don't necessarily need somebody there to coach you or to
be a mentor, but it's extremely helpful.
Speaker 2: I have that what attracted you to all this over
the years, because you may I say you are a
Reiki healer.
Speaker 6: I believe yep, Yeah, that's just one of the trainings
that I do have in my background. So my mother
was the one who actually introduced this world to me,
where she was a nurse for forty years and she
had a surgery where she was just in an absolute
ton of pain and sidebar she is allergic to everything,
every medication out there, and as a result, I am
allergic to everything. One anesthesiologist described us as his worst nightmare. Yeah,
prior to me getting my ACL repaired, just because there
wasn't anything I could take. But she had a surgery,
she was in a ton of pain, but noticed that
she could put her hands on her body in different
places and start to create this healing effect. And from
there she just started doing a little bit of an
investigation related to hands on healing, and she felt that
she was guided toward meditation, toward reiki, and then she
just started reading books about reiki and found her own trainer,
and she went all the way up to the master level.
And then she attuned me to reiki and then trained
me all the way to the master level.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when we go back through like the history of mankind,
there have been healers all through there's been talk of
this energy. I often and now listened to songs and
feel like we're missing the message. Sometimes even pop songs.
There are songs I just heard one the other day
go oh man, you've been pounded with this message. You're
just not hearing it. For whatever your lyric to. Yeah,
I love lyrics. Yep, me too. And and it's strange
because all of a sudden, I go, wait a second,
they've been trying someone's been trying to tell us about
that there's more to our existence and there's more to
this than we're buying in you. You know, because you
get here and you get caught up in the drama
and you're told you got to grind it out, and
you got to work real hard, and you got to
get a job, and you know, and all this stuff.
And he says, Toy, this isn't selling any fun at all.
And and yet there's been people all along and shaman
and different you know, levels of I don't even know,
but they would say this same thing and try to
teach you that you have everything you need to survive
within you and here on this planet.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, you get back to that book the
world art. Right, musicians are a great example of that too.
You know, the musicians have this incredible ability to really
harness the muse, right that, yeah, that that energy that
create natural creative energy where you're getting ideas that you
don't even realize that you had them before, right, Like
they call them uh idiomorphs. I think, where you've got
the idea that ideas themselves are alive, right, right, that
everything we need to know is is around us, and
that we're absorbing it more like lungs breathing an oxygen
than the creators of consciousness. Right, And those things come
out all the time in music. For that reason. I
have several clients who are autistic savants, right, who are
able to play the piano like trained pianists after, you know,
sitting down at the piano for just like the first
or second time, right, And and so for me, that's
evidence again from more of a scientific perspective, that you know,
there's something going on there where there's certain people who
were able to tap into this and able to really
harness this creative energy. And so, yeah, music is a
great example of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is a great example. And a lot of
times you'll hear musicians say things like, I sat down,
I wrote the song in five minutes through where it
came from? Right, I don't know where it came from.
And then the others will say I've had this riff
forever and then all of a sudden it just fit here,
you know, and it's just it's strange. But I think
all of us can have that. I'm I'm starting to
believe there are no such things as coincidences at all.
Speaker 3: I'm with you.
Speaker 2: I could not remember the name of the book. Don't
believe everything you think, and I had never read it,
but I saw it. I was looking for gifts for
guys who I do know, bilified with, and I looked
down at the bottom and I saw that and I go, oh,
that's great, and then I pop it up. I'm reading
about it. I go, this is fascinating. And we had
the Wise Council breakfast at your house, very kind of
open ups to us Heathens, and they go in there
and make com madsense and then uh, I'm going I
was gonna leave there and go buy the book. And
I went, oh, man, I didn't write down the title
of that book. I can't. And out of nowhere you
came out and go, you know what really helped me
write my book? It was this book. And I let out, oh,
oh my god, that's the book how we like and
it's it's those and we passed by these things in
life and go, eh, coincidence, you know, we call it
serendipity whatever. And we go and I'm going, no, no, no,
I was supposed to get that book.
Speaker 4: Well, this is where it can get really weird, right,
because this is from the way I'm I'm thinking about
things these days, and it's been helpful for me. But
it's it's abstract, right is it's because it's all already happened. Right,
This is there's no if we think a thing, if
we eliminate linear time and try to experience these things
as just a process. Right right then we could you
know those things that they're all happening at once, and
it's like something it's a prompt from the future coming
to remind us that there's something that we're supposed to do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I I would even Okay, so prompt from
the future that's coming to tell something we ought to do. Yeah,
because it was interesting. Doctor McGinnis came in. We started
talking and I said, I can't remember your last name,
and then he told me, and I go, how can
I ever forget it?
Speaker 5: It's my favorite beer.
Speaker 2: But he said to me something about you know, how
you and I had connected, and I said it was
through the podcast. But it was one of these things
that I, you know, sometimes it's transitions in life can
be Hey, you're resistant to it. It's a little rocky,
and I often think, I go, man, that was one
of the best things to come out of this, like
being part of the what you know, the wise Counsel.
Speaker 5: I love it.
Speaker 2: I've never ever I thought, man, it's one of my
absolute favorite favorite things.
Speaker 4: You're a great addition, I hope so because the people
out you made.
Speaker 2: The I am the least educated in that group, and probably.
Speaker 3: There's all different kinds of education.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so of course, but I went, well, I find
it fascinating like it is, honestly, and my dad loves it.
Speaker 5: I'll tell him about it.
Speaker 3: I'd love to meet your day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's he's uh, he's a very interesting, uh and
brilliant guy. You know, did philosophy and all. But I
and I think maybe as he's gotten older, a little
more open to this sort of thing.
Speaker 4: People tend to, I think, as they get older, and
that's the problem. Sir Scott might have some thoughts on
that phenomenon as well, you know. But in terms of coincidences,
you know, looking back to when we first you know,
and I did the podcast, and I think I told
you this story, but I was visiting doctor Deep in
New York and that was a wild experience in and
of itself. We were invited me to have dinner, and
so I went to this place where he was doing
a healing and it was this amazing penthouse in New York,
nothing I'd ever been in before. I was definitely a
fish out of water. And there were scientists from Columbia
there talking about this and talking about how to best
study this this phenomenon. And and the next night he
invited me to dinner and it was the ambassador to
Pakistan for the United Nations was it was his house,
which is where and I had amazing talks about how
some of these things are happening around the world. And
so I'm walking out of there, going back to my
hotel room thinking just thinking about like just inspired and
thinking about who do I need to share this with?
Who do I need to like other people need to
know about this. Who's not going to think that I'm crazy?
And I look up and it was I was right
beneath a sign that said Moran's.
Speaker 2: Pub Yeah, I remember you sent me the picture, and.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I took I took a picture of it
and said, like, Bill, I think that you're supposed to
be part of this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have. I've been very accepting of it all
and I've I feel like I've benefited tremendousness.
Speaker 3: We have. It's been a great connection.
Speaker 2: We'll take a time out here and have more of
our discussion with doctor Rob Rice and doctor Scott McGinnis
of Saint John Fisher University on Bill lightment.
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Speaker 2: Listening to Enlightenment with our guests doctor rob Rice and
doctor Scott McGinnis.
Speaker 5: As we're talking about getting older.
Speaker 2: And it does seem like as our journey, our human journey,
starts to wind down, people become more accepting of something
greater than themselves and greater than everything. Why why do
you think that is? And I'll go to you, doctor
Scott McGinnis, or why do you think that is?
Speaker 6: I think that plays a big part of it. You
think of our regular progression for the average person, it's
you know, you go to school, you try to get
as good a grades that you can, and then you
find a job, you work really hard, you establish yourself,
you have a family, you buy a house, and at
some point, after twenty five thirty years of just doing
the same thing, the grind as we all call it,
you might start to wonder why. You might start to
wonder if there's anything more beyond that grind and just
trying to find whatever that may be. Had a conversation
and then not too distant passed with somebody who had
now retired and we were talking about var Texas and Sedona, Arizona,
and this is a person who I had never thought
I would have a conversation about energy with, but they
were really interested in that phenomena, and they visited there,
got a piece of jewelry for their daughter, a brought
a back for their daughter, and just started talking about energy.
And I think that they just created more space in
their life to be accepting of that idea at that
point to explore just different possibilities. So it could be
a combination of factors that have done the grind. I
want to see what other meaning is out there and
what this is really all about.
Speaker 3: I've got a theory on that too.
Speaker 4: Sure, when people get really sick or start to lose
their health, that's when they tend to pray. Yeah, right,
And so it's this conversation with doctor Thanklou from Cambridge,
and this is just this idea of how it's kind
of ironic that some of the same people who really
discount energy healing and this type of approach are the
same people who as soon as they get sick.
Speaker 3: Are going to go to church, right right, right.
Speaker 4: And so I think we have something natural within us
that when we aren't well, I think our body knows.
I think that it knows that what it needs and
it seeks it out.
Speaker 2: I absolutely agree. Yeah, that's interesting. I never thought of
it that way. But you're right. And what's also interesting
as you're saying that because they go, well you would
go to church, what healing power is their prayer and
then it would be God. But we also have holy water.
Right again water, I'm just saying like I'm not, but
it's something there that would be either blessed by the
divine or something that supposed to, you know, keep you there.
I was always a little gross out of everybody's hand
went into it.
Speaker 4: That sponge was pretty nasty, Like wait, I just saw
you picking your nose.
Speaker 3: I just but it's like alcoholicitizing.
Speaker 2: I got it right, right, right, But that that I'm
not familiar you said, Sedona, I've heard it before. You
mentioned vortex. I think that we all have a vortex,
and in our vortex is three lifetimes worth of things
that are coming to us.
Speaker 5: But it's over there, and.
Speaker 2: You've got to find the right vibration, which sounds maybe
strange to some people, but I always think that the frequency.
And I've even gotten so weird now that I think
that when we die that we are just on a
different frequency.
Speaker 4: We had this conversation with Deep at my house that
one morning, and he talked about the light energy and
the death, and we had I forget who asked about death,
but decoes, Oh, death is so beautiful. And that's when
he went on that we have the transcript from yes, yes, right,
and so yeah. I mean, we don't think you're weird.
You're talking to the talking to the right people.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I just think that there's a different frequency in there,
and then it's all here. We're just not tapped in,
tuned in, and I just I feel like things We've
had many teachers come right over the years, probably the
best known Jesus only because you know, the Bible and
the religions have come off of that. But they're all
the boy that put a lot of It's like they
put a governor on everything he was teaching, you know
what I mean, Slow it down, there are these rules.
Speaker 5: You're gonna be pond no.
Speaker 4: I remember getting so upset when I found out that
I was skipping I was skipping meat on Fridays for
you know, for most of my life. Because there was
a pope at some point who had a brother who
was a fisherman and they wanted to get the fish
industry going better, so they said, no more meat on Fridays.
Speaker 3: Everybody start. Did you know that?
Speaker 4: I remember getting so angry about that because I grew
up I went to Catholic schools, grammar school, high.
Speaker 5: Where did you learn that? I don't Why did I
know that?
Speaker 2: I disappointed myself? Well, yeah, I eat Pepperoni pizza when
I but I wasn't. I was Catholic to the age
of seven, and then more Protestant, which became such a
big deal that my grandfather wouldn't talk to my mom
for a year because you know, Southern Ireland and Catholicism,
and I go, boy, no, God would not love your No.
Speaker 4: I think there's ways to integrate this too, right, Yes,
That's where I'm at now, and we have these conversations
that are at our breakfast meetings.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: I'm still consider myself Catholic sometimes I'll say recovering Catholic,
but not around my mother. I had that written in
the book at one point, and I took it out
because I'm I know my Mom's going to read this.
But I think there's ways to integrate this, right, And
Jesus talks about the Holy Spirit, spirit right, the Holy Trinity,
and so I'm often thinking about where does water play
a role in that, right, like you know, and how
does how do some of these natural phenomenon and all
this quantum stuff that's going on. You know, maybe maybe
Jesus was teaching about these things and we just take
it and we run our own story.
Speaker 5: I believe that.
Speaker 2: I believe that that it's we are made in that image,
and you have what many people will say on a
base level, your gut feeling or your intuition. I think
that's God. I think that that that's what's telling you.
And a lot of times when you think, oh, that
didn't work out, well, maybe because you're trying to be
led over here, but you're so stubborn, and I always
think that you're so loved that no matter what. Unconditional
love is one of my favorite terms, because I always
think it is one of the most impossible things for
human beings. Maybe not maybe there's gonna be somebody's going
oh no, but unconditioned everything has a condition. I'd love you,
but you're doing this, or I love you, but man,
I get mad. And I always think the universe loves
you so much of that no matter what you believe,
it supports.
Speaker 4: One of the things I've heard you say on the radio,
which I have appreciated, and again in terms of your
frequency comment, and this is what's one of the things
I think you bring to the table.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: You've got this history and radio and broadcasting, and you
understand things from that perspective, right, And so I think
that that's all important and probably part of the reason
why you're able to engage in these conversations and think
about things this way. I lost my train of thought
a little bit.
Speaker 3: But Oh.
Speaker 4: One of the things that you say that I often
appreciate is that you think that sometimes when children are
born with severe disabilities and things like that, that the
purpose is to.
Speaker 3: Teach us what unconditional love looks like. And I love
that idea.
Speaker 2: I do, because I think that if I don't think
creation ever gets it wrong, I don't know if that's
even a boy. Tell that to somebody who's lit, right, yeah,
And I would never want to upset someone. But at
the same time, because there are difficulties and challenges and things,
but boy, there's an unconditional love there. And I think
one of my favorite things that you've said to me
about autism in our awareness of it now, is it's
evolution evolutionary.
Speaker 4: The same thing, right, Like, I'd be careful not to say,
like I'm if I'm sitting with a parent of a
child who is severely impacted by that disability. Yeah, and
it sees it as a disability. There's some controversy and
disagreement around even whether or not it should be considered
a label or disability. But when I'm sitting with a
parent who's really struggling with a child who has autism,
I probably wouldn't say.
Speaker 3: That, right, I don't want to minimize.
Speaker 4: But when I'm sitting with most of my clients who
tend to be neurodiverse folks, they uh, I think they
really appreciate that, and I think there's something to it. Right,
there's so many the strengths and skills the neurodiverse folks
who I work with fits so well with where the
world in society seems to be moving and technology and
detail oriented. And I hate to think this, but social
skills maybe aren't quite as important as they used to be.
Maybe we need to recapture them in some ways. But
for what it's for if nothing else, a lot of
these folks are finding really really successful pathways and they're
doing some amazing things in this world that we're in now.
Speaker 5: I wanted to ask you, and I don't know.
Speaker 2: First of all, I don't want to hit on anything
that will miss anything you want to mention either about that.
Speaker 4: We're just looking forward to having a conversation. We'll continue
this a couple of fridays.
Speaker 2: But here here's one of the things, like, I think, Scott,
you're more of this thinking too, that that there's I
was always taught and I even think in my church
as a kid, they would say it would be selfish
to think that we're the only creation, that there aren't
aliens or anything like that, which was always something. But
there are those that believe the thing that I mean,
I think, what do we one chromosome away from a
certain kind of chimpanzee or something. Yeah, I went to
the zoo and I made the joke that looked exactly
like Uncle Joe, you know.
Speaker 5: I mean, just like like Uncle Joe back there.
Speaker 2: But uh, somewhere that in the stars, that that there
was others. And there are those who are saying twenty
twenty five their contact will be made. I mean I
have I don't know if you've ever no idea whether.
Speaker 6: Yeah, whether whether or not twenty twenty five would be
the year where contact is made. It's a it's an
interesting idea.
Speaker 2: But the stars and the fact that there are other
beings that are out there, I don't think it's that
far fetched. No, I don't.
Speaker 6: I don't think it's that far fetched either. I would
hope that there would be more mystery and intrigue to
our human experience, that we'd be able to interact with
other beings like that, the other beings that are different
from us, and learn how to live in concert or
learn different lessons that way.
Speaker 4: Yeah, where ever gonna happen, it seems like it would
be now. I mean that may just I mean, we
got drones flying, you car sized drones flying over the northeast.
Nobody's talking about him or knows what they're about. No,
I'm sure that they're man made. But you know, it
seems like if aliens were gonna come, like we're at
a point where we're like, all right, that's that.
Speaker 2: I almost feel like I would be unless uh, you know,
like the old movies where the little green alien lands
or whatever. We all run and scared. Whatever movies they
were sort of sci fi. I almost see like people
who truck and go, yeah, that makes sense and move
on to whatever else is in their life.
Speaker 3: It's like a slow leak.
Speaker 4: We're just getting a little information at a time, and
then all of a sudden we've yeah, yeah, they're here.
They've been flying over the northeast.
Speaker 3: That's them. Don't worry about it, here's nothing nefarious.
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been thinking about a lot and I was gonna bring
up the next time I saw you guys. Is sometimes
when we have thoughts, right, people like I say that
thoughts really direct your life, direct your mood. I'm pissed
off because whatever didn't work out, or I got this
frustrating thing, or you know what I mean, all of
a sudden, And sometimes I think that there's a momentum
to that stuff that you know, for example, you get
up in the morning and you stub your toe and
you curse and then you you know, you get in
the shower and I don't know, you slip or something,
and then it's out and you're spilling coffee on yourself
and the next thing you know, you just drove into
the back of somebody. And it's a momentum that just
keeps selling it. Nothing ever works for me, that whole thing.
I have come to start to ask myself or catch that,
catch that before it gets going, and say what am
I under the influence of right now? And I don't
know if that's the right way to think of it out,
But by that I mean like, is.
Speaker 4: This coming from a Connery's or you? Just because there's
different answers to that question.
Speaker 2: That it is a very fair point. No, I meant
like one, am I under the influence of? In that moment?
Am I? Because I always think there's really just two
things in the universe, maybe love and fear? Right? I mean,
we can get down if we get down to the
basis of anything. Why are we not doing something? Why
are we acting certain way? It's because we're afraid of
We believe something that's gonna happen and we don't want
it to. And then we think about it, think about it,
think about it, and they go, but know what's gonna happen?
And I have to stop sometimes and go on. Am
I under the influence of and sometimes it makes me
feel better in the shift and it almost helps vibrationally.
I don't know if you guys have similar feelings on
that or think of that way or yeah.
Speaker 6: I mean you were talking about frequency earlier. Yeah, you
mentioned vibration. So if you've got something like a and
Rob mentioned self fulfilling prophecy. But if you've got a
really negative thinking pattern, you're just gonna continue to perpetuate
that pattern and be in that frequency. You've got to
find a way to break it and get up and
raise yourself up to a more livable and positive frequency
at that point. That's that's the way that I think
about it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would. I think the law of attraction.
Speaker 2: It's not your mom. Your mom would say, oh honey,
come here and let me make you better, you know,
but it just is going to bring more of what
you're thinking, change your frequency, change your thought process. One
of my I under the influence of and I think
sometimes it changes that.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of work right now being done in
the area of gratitude. Yes, And I think that there's
a lot of overlap between what you're saying in that work.
At this point, the research is solid, right, Like if
we think we know anything, it's that gratitude is a
good thing and it helps. It's good for mental health,
that somehow the more grateful you are, the more good
things tend to happen in your life. Like people have
studied all these We in fact it Fisher with some students.
We create rit as well. We recently created an app
called appreciation ally and so you can actually get it
on the App Store now, but it's in a beta version.
Speaker 3: We're continuing.
Speaker 4: We're finishing the research this spring and we should have
a final version out by this summer. But you can
get it now if you wanted to. It's called Appreciation.
Speaker 2: One more thing in rob resume by the way. I mean,
I don't know about anybody else, but I found it
all really really impressive, and I've seen the beta of this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's really simples. It was based on an old
app called psych Me Up that was made by the APA,
and so psych Me Up was an app that had
it was a grid of sixteen faces and there'd be
one smiling face, and the goal was to touch the
smiling face as quickly as find the smiling face and
touch it as quickly as you could, and you'd move
through you know, ten twenty grids. I mean, I would
prescribe this to my clients routinely. It'd have clients who'd
come in with depressive symptoms and I'd talk about gratitude
and the value of gratitude and give them this app,
and inevitably, after they've used it for a couple of weeks,
they would say, I think that I'm starting to notice
more positive stimuli, scanning my environment more for positive stimuli.
And so, unfortunately that app it doesn't exist anymore. So
we made our own and we based it more on
the more contemporary research around gratitude. And so this app
is just four images of different things people might be
grateful for. You know, there's images of the police officers,
there's images of nature, there's images of sporting stuff and
gaming stuff, and it'll pull up the grids and the
goal is to touch the image that makes you feel
the most grateful.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: And so now we've prescribed this to our clients that
it mind fit, and we'll tell them do you know,
ten grids a day and come back and let's talk
about you know, how you're feeling, if you're noticing yourself
scanning your environment for more positive stimuli. And again, just
like with the psyche me up at, people come back
and say, I think that it worked. I think that
I was like so focused on how I was feeling
and the negative emotions I was feeling that it was
impacting everything that I was looking at around me. And
when I forced myself in a way or encourage myself
and practiced the act of scanning my environment for positive stimuli.
Speaker 3: It really did make a difference. And so we do that.
Speaker 4: You know, the app also has some other functions on
it where people can think of, you know, three things
that they're grateful for a day, other gratitude interventions that
have been strated as being effective in the literature, and
so yeah, I mean we know through science that what
you're saying is legit.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I do that too. I have a whole weird
morning routine.
Speaker 2: But I won't get into that. I want to go
to what you're talking about finding h was it gratitude
stimuli in your area?
Speaker 5: Things that you're grateful.
Speaker 4: And in simple stuff, right, like pants, I don't need
to iron right.
Speaker 2: That's great because I think it was Tony Robbins did
these things where he tells people close your eyes and
think of everything red red, right, think of red, the
color red, feel the color red? Does it feel like
blah blah blah? Open your eyes now find things that
are brown.
Speaker 5: You can't.
Speaker 2: You're finding red. But I think it's much the same
thing in that find things that are grateful, and you're
not really you're you're struggling to find things that are brown, right,
but you're seeing all the red. It's just coming at you.
And I think when you get grateful, it just starts
to come at you. It's there, You're just not seeing it.
But when you focus, where your focus goes, right, is
really how things work. And I think that's a great way,
and I wish it would almost be taught. Instead of
let's look for the colored red, let's find the things
that were grateful for because that's going to make you
feel better.
Speaker 5: And I have I think it was doctor.
Speaker 2: Sugarman, many many years ago, when he was the pediatrician
for my kids, said pulled me aside and said go
to therapy. Well, we were dealing with you know, much
like you, Scott. My one of my sons had severe allergies,
projectile vomiting off breast milk immediately losing weight, had to
go back to the hospital. We had to get a
hypoallergenic formula from Britain to come in and you know,
it's the only place you could get it. And as
life went on, he's fine, right, and has his challenges,
but it's fine. But it was he who said to me,
you go to therapy because if you or not well,
if you're not in a good spot, you're not benefiting
anybody else. And I think so often I think the
mentality in my family and my life was more of
that selfish and I think that maybe we need to
be a little more selfish. There's even some creative things
that would say to you. I did a book many
years ago, the Artist Way. I don't know if anybody's
familiar with the Artist Way, and it's more about helping
people break through and write, and you do different experiments
and things in there. But one of the things was
an artist date, and you went, you took yourself on
a date, which I know sounds really really weird, but
I used to I love art. It's something I don't
really talk about. I love classical music. I would go
see the symphony by myself. I'd sit way in the
back because I didn't want people to see me this
this weird old walking down. I would go to the museum.
I would go up to botanical gardens and things, and
I'm telling you that stuff is so restorative. And when
you talk about appreciation, you're just looking at it because
you love it. There's nothing better. And those things I
think are lost. But if I I was married at
the time, I wouldn't say where I was going because
I knew it would piss her off, pitch anybody off.
But hey, listen, I need a little while. I'm gonna
go take myself on a date. I'm gonna have a
delicious cup of coffee or a nice I p A
or whatever, and I'm gonna look at this stuff.
Speaker 5: You can't do, but you should, But I really think
you should.
Speaker 4: I sent you that podcast that I think you listened
to the other day past I listened.
Speaker 2: To it all the way back from Jersey and they
talked about delights. Delights.
Speaker 4: They liked that even better than gratitude, because yes, I
forget how they how they worded it, But the idea was, I.
Speaker 2: Think much like you and I would manifesting it would
became like a buzzword. And they were saying, but the
delights are something that are a little easier because it's
the small things like my pants that that I don't
need to.
Speaker 4: Iron, right, yeah, yeah, And well when we don't notice
them enough, we don't pay an there's always something to
complain about, and there's always something to be grateful for, right,
And if you can make the choice, and this is
something you say a lot too, you know, and choose
the better feeling thought right. For me, it's almost always
on that continuum. Right, It's either I'm something I can
complain about or something I can be grateful for. And
if I'm conscious enough that I can make that choice,
I'm I'm trained myself to be grateful.
Speaker 2: So that's why I've started asking myself one am I
under the influence of because sometimes when I get mad
at myself and I go, well, choose the better feeling thought? Well,
I can't, right, because this is just what it's in
my head.
Speaker 5: And then I'll have to.
Speaker 2: Go, well, what am I under the influence of? What
am I?
Speaker 5: What's really happening here?
Speaker 2: What does this mean?
Speaker 3: Does this what does this emotion mean?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 4: And that it's temporary, right, Like, so it's okay to
feel it and remember that it's temporary. It's like stubbing
your toe.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: If you stub your toe, all you can think about
for the next five seconds is how much your toe's right,
and then it passes every time. Right, And emotions are
the same thing. And but we don't learn that in
the moment we think this is the worst thing that
could possibly happen.
Speaker 2: We don't, and we repeat that pattern over and over
and over because it becomes so familiar. And I have
a son who can really feel things. I would love
to know what like real energy stuff if he's I
don't know empathic when when When we say empathic, some
people just absorb everybody's energy. But I would think that's
got to be problematic and exhausting at times.
Speaker 6: Yeah, at least that's my understanding of what it means
to be empathic. I feel like I have some of
those qualities as well. Yeah, picking up on other people's
emotions really easily and just absorbing that and it does
weigh down a little bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you learn to sort of stay above recognize
what it is, but stay above. I always, I always
use the term for many years, not really knowing, but
play above the noise. In other words, the gossip in
the office and stuff like that. Don't don't take, don't
get play above the noise.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that helps a lot. And I also
think it's if you have a spiritual practice learning what
energy boundaries are and how to establish that so that
way you can go into a crowded space and you
can just exist and enjoy whatever medium you're pursuing in
that crowded space. If you're out today, basketball game, or
you know, you're taking yourself on an artist state, whatever
it may be, learning how to hold a.
Speaker 2: More artist state, that is going to be a thing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's true.
Speaker 2: Well, I bring up that he feels his emotions really
intently and always has so when he was a freshman,
he would get so frustrated because he was losing in
track meets and things, and he'd that frustration was right
at the surface, right there.
Speaker 5: And I used to say to him.
Speaker 2: When we would walk, I would say, have dignity for yourself,
give yourself some grace, be kind, to yourself. It doesn't matter.
But I know in that moment, you don't want to
look like the guy who's getting blown off the track.
The guy can't do it. And I think those things
may have motivated him as a hulking human being. Now
I've seen him, yeah, yeah, and he but you at
that time, it was that. And I was just talking
to him the other day and I said, remember when
we did that? And he said yeah, And I said,
those feelings, what do they matter today?
Speaker 5: Not at all.
Speaker 2: I mean, those races, they have no impact on you,
other than maybe it was part of the motivation to
change your body and you wanted to make yourself better.
I guess that I have a I don't know this
goes so much with the bill likeman, but I have
a habit of every once in a while, I will
just rewatch the Last Dance with the Chicago Bulls Michael
Jordan Scott.
Speaker 5: I watched that.
Speaker 2: I just did it again, and there's something each time
I watch it. I take something different away. And I
love Phil Jackson's philosophies and the closing where they really
it was the last dance and they went and wrote
what this whole thing had meant? And then burn it
and do that. I'm even doing something where we wrote
down on Christmas Eve thirteen things that we would like
to happen this year, as though I wrote it more
in the present tense. I think everybody did. I'm so
happy and appreciative now that right, And then whatever it is,
and then each night you burn one until you're down
to two, and then without opening it, and then you
burn without looking at it. And the last one is
the one that you're supposed to focus on in the universe,
will take care of everything else, don't. I don't know
that's how weird I am.
Speaker 3: Again, I don't think it's weird.
Speaker 5: I did it with my sister or my mom.
Speaker 4: We did that, and I think those intense emotions in
sports in particular, right, I think you can reframe those.
We do work with a lot of athletes as well,
and you know, young kids who aren't really into therapy
or counseling, but they're into a sport and they're happy
to talk to someone who's going to help them get
better at the sport, right, because you know that's not
something that has the stigma around it. And a lot
of the same skills that we teach to athletes are
the skills that you know, we would like other people
to learn for regular life.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: And so anxiety, frustration, all those intense emotions, right, that's
it means I care, Right, That means you really care
about this, right, And what would you rather be doing
than something you care about?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 4: And so you know in those moments, you know those Yeah,
I think Michael Jordan's probably a great.
Speaker 3: Example of this, right. Yeah.
Speaker 4: He would purposely find, you know, issue in something that
other people are you.
Speaker 3: He would always had to have a grudge. I always
had had it.
Speaker 5: It gave him that edge.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know if that's healthy or not,
that that's.
Speaker 3: What I to really care like.
Speaker 4: I think he was such an elite athlete, right, he
was so good, Like the basketball wasn't even really a
challenge for him anymore. He had to challenge himself in
other ways. And so we found other ways to really care.
I found other ways to really care about those moments,
about the and so in the negative emotions, UH provided
that for him in the same way that they come
naturally to a lot of young athletes.
Speaker 2: That's interesting because I also loved in that too, where
they somebody said, he is one of the people that
is truly present where everybody else is in Like that
last shot isn't even in his head. It's what's going
on right at this moment.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and he in a different movie about him, Michael
Jordan The Max. He talked about the integration of Zen Buddhism,
much to the influence of Phil Jackson, and how he
in his mind has gone through scenarios and scenarios and
scenarios so that he's not afraid to fail with it
because he's already failed, but he's already succeeded with it
as well. So for him to get into that last moment,
it's just like he's already run through it. You know,
whatever is going to happen is going to happen. I'm
gonna put my best foot forward to make it successful.
But if not, next play.
Speaker 5: Wow, I didn't know that. What's the name of that?
Speaker 6: Michael Jordan's The Max. It was an Imax movie that
came out in the late nineties after his tenure with
The Bulls, Before the Wizards, Before Wizards Jordan.
Speaker 2: Whatever, whatever that was. I mean, even they are not terrible.
I always think under rated to me, right, there were
some nights that were fifty point nights, and and and
different things like that.
Speaker 4: There's that movie with Matt Damon too, where they what
was in the Nike movie All the Shoe Right, And
in that movie, he said that the reason he wanted
Michael Jordan so bad for the air Jordan's ultimately was
that that game winning shot he made in the national
championship in college. He said he looked like he already
knew he made it.
Speaker 2: Yes, I did see that, and I didn't catch that
when when that happened.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there really is.
Speaker 2: Which we'll go back sort of to your talk of
time and how it's already done. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: I've already been here, I've already done this. You know,
we have a tough emotion, a tough you know, I've
I've already done this. This is I've you know, this
is I can get through this. In fact, I already have.
I know it sounds it's.
Speaker 5: No actually as you're saying it, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: I I I was like, yeah, that makes so m
much more sense than because I've heard doctor Deep say
things like it's all done, It's already done, and sometimes
I feel real relief in the moment with him, and
then he leaves and then all my stuff comes back
like wait a second, you know, and I just the
way you just said it is like and I've thought
many times, well, you've done this before, right, you've done
something like this before. But even that is not you know,
all that reassuring, but the idea of.
Speaker 5: Well it's already done, you already did it.
Speaker 2: And I like the Michael Jordan with the shot you
know kind of thing, is whatever happens happens. I'm going
to do the best I absolutely can. But it doesn't
mean anything. I've often say now things like what is
the meaning of life? Nothing other than the meaning you
attribute to it, and the meaning do you attribute to
the moment? And nothing has any real meaning other than
what you apply to it. And you can apply and
that's where like those intense feelings can come from. And
that's why I often say, well, one, am I under
the influence of and that'll kind of bring it back.
I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know either. You know, I definitely don't
know the meaning of life for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh.
Speaker 4: When people ask me that question, I say, it's it's
about connections and somehow love has got to be a
big part of it, right, Like I think that you know,
we get to talk about unconditional love and kids with
disabilities and some of those types of things, right I.
You know, all the near death experiences books, you read,
all of the the things that are you know, more
spiritual in nature that that you read that are related
to the things that we're talking about. They all speak
of this kind of un this unconditional and undescribable love
that they experience. And so it's try to reframe negative
emotions in that way too, right, It's all love. All
these emotions are love focused in a different direction.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: I get more frustrated with, you know, my wife when
something happens to be I love her so much and
I care so much about a relationship. I get so
frustrated with a student who I know has a lot
of potential because you know, I really love what they're
doing and love where they're going.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: If I've got a student who I'm not getting frustrated
with or because you know, when they're when they're not
doing as well as they could do, then I know
that's a problem. It's the same kind of adage. You know,
you want your coach to to be hard on you.
That means that they see potential in you. It's all
I think it all comes down to love.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say that that that is absolutely true.
And we talked about the dark side of things and
you know, these other stuff.
Speaker 5: I always think it's a privation of love, which is
a very.
Speaker 2: Simple philosophical philosophy that I'm forgetting. It might have been
Saint Thomas Aquinas that the being in everything is the
being in me is the being in the tree, and
that good is evil is just the privation of good
because everything that comes from the universe or God has
to be good and made in his image.
Speaker 3: And yeah, we get a little lost.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, I'm gonna my mind's going towards like simulation
theory now, so I'll back off.
Speaker 6: We you mentioned near death experiences.
Speaker 2: I want to couple of.
Speaker 6: Times here, but that idea of love that you were
talking about just a moment ago, People who have had
those positive dear death experiences say that they come back
and they have felt that love in a way that
they have never felt it before. Unconditional love that you
are talking about earlier, and just that a sense of
knowingness that it is all about love and that's one
of the main things that we're supposed to do when
we're here is just refine how we do love. How
can we integrate more love into the ways that we
exist in the world. You check out Raymond Moody's books
or on documentary that just came out called After Death
about near death death experiences, or the book series Surviving Death,
or the series on Netflix called Surviving Death. The episode
is about near death experiences are incredibly similar and that
they all say that I've just felt this incredible peace,
I felt this incredible love, and it's really just all
about love.
Speaker 2: So I have come to believe that that's resistant free. Okay,
say more about that, meaning that we put so much
resistance when I say things like we get in our
own way, we put resistance in our way that things.
But in this life, in this journey, you need the
contrast to show you what you don't want versus what
you do want. But when we move into the next realm,
the next frequency, it's resistant free and the idea that
you can have that here and now. I remember the
song that I heard. It was like some dumb pop
song from the eighties. Heaven is a place on Earth. Yes, yes, yes,
which I never ever thought of, but because of exactly
that Scott that I come to.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think that all those things and I've talked to
character the Mangles.
Speaker 6: That's at least.
Speaker 2: I didn't remember.
Speaker 5: I thought it was the Bengels.
Speaker 2: I would have gone with that or the Go Gos
or something. But I heard that and I was like,
it might have been on the eighties channel and serious,
and I went, oh, we've been trying to We're getting
these messages all along, and that you can have that
now if you just open yourself up, be more grateful,
find the grateful things. Life could be a breeze for everybody.
It's kind of your your your choice. I think I'm
coming to believe. I don't know.
Speaker 4: There's another book called The Untethered Soul. Did you read
that one?
Speaker 6: No, but you've You've recommended it to me a couple
of times. I just haven't edited to the stack yet.
Speaker 4: But I'm saying it speaks to that point, right. It
talks a lot about how we can experience that on Earth.
I struggle with it, like I I appreciate it, and
I think I'm getting better as I get older. It
having moments where it actually feels like, Okay, I'm I'm
I'm doing this, I'm resistance.
Speaker 3: Free and yeah yeah yeah right, like you said before,
I don't know. Yeah, we're not supposed to always be
that way.
Speaker 2: No, no, And I think the contrast shows you what
you do want, what you don't want, and what you know,
go more towards this what the better feeling thought?
Speaker 3: The image the picture of quantumly entangled photons? No, can
you google it? Yeah, google a picture of quantumly entangled photons.
Speaker 2: Quantumly entangled photons.
Speaker 3: Okay, and you should just say images, what does it
look like?
Speaker 5: Let's see images photons?
Speaker 2: Image? Is it looks like the Ying Yang.
Speaker 3: Like exactly right?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Like they.
Speaker 3: So the quantum level.
Speaker 2: The name of that signed by the way, Yeah okay, yeah,
that's exactly right.
Speaker 4: So that oh my gosh, So at a quantum level,
there's there's this dichotomy, right, there's I mean so much
isn't that amazing?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 4: And it's like so much so that you figure that
that's what it is. China, Ancient China they knew this. Yeah,
like they had to.
Speaker 2: The colors of the image that I'm seeing it has uh,
sort of a pink with the green eye and the
green with the pink eye and some and uh in
the ying yang form, and I thought, oh, that's like
a grateful dead signer.
Speaker 4: But it makes ancient Chinese people know some of this
quantum stuff, like how did they know this stuff?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we don't pay attention to any of that
or we're relearning it now, yeah, or right opening up
to it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're you know, they hold I think coming to
believe that there really was thousands of years ago, completely
different technology that people understood that included some of what
we're rediscovering today. It's the only explanation for how well
some of our current ways of thinking about medicine overlap
with some of the ancient technologies.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's interesting. And the near death experiences I find
those fascinating.
Speaker 6: Yeah. I find them fascinating as well, and they can
be really transformative. Not all are positive. There's a percentage
where people come back and they didn't have a great experience,
so with what they encountered or saw, it's typically a
lower percentage. But then there are some people who come
back and they say, I had this incredible experience. It
was all about love. Everything is love and I just
you know, I want to be a better person, and
nobody believes them, and then they don't have anybody to
talk about, so it becomes they're incredibly isolating. Yeah for
them as well, it's unfortunately.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you gotta be very secure or in your in
your in your belief right. I always think that the
belief is just the thought we think over and over
and over. If you start to think that one's gonna
believe me, well then no one's gonna believe you, you know,
But you keep going forward and eventually eventually you find
I guess you're your your tribe, so to speak.
Speaker 3: The Proof of Heaven book was that the one by
the neurosurgeon.
Speaker 6: Yep, Evan Alexander's Yeah.
Speaker 3: I remember that. I really enjoying that one.
Speaker 6: Are you reading it right now?
Speaker 3: I know I read it a long time.
Speaker 6: Awesome. Yeah, it's a it's a great read.
Speaker 2: All right. I have to ask this and then we'll
kind of close it out. This has nothing to do
with words. How many books a month do you read?
Speaker 6: Uh?
Speaker 2: Because I I'm trying to read all these books and
I can't keep up. But I'm like that must be dumber.
Speaker 4: Like, honestly, these days, probably not that many.
Speaker 3: I mean I'm writing more probably.
Speaker 4: I think I tried to read a little bit every day, but.
Speaker 5: Now yeah, me too, I try it more about twenty minutes.
Speaker 4: It's I see reading as sharpening my tools more than
anything else, now right.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: Doctor McCabe says this a lot.
Speaker 4: You know, he's in his retirement become a woodworker and yeah,
and he says that no matter how much time you
spend doing wood work, you've got a factor in twenty
five percent of your time is sharpening your tools.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: And so if you spend a full day, you know,
doing wood work, you're spending you know, five hours because
you're going to spend twenty percent of your time, you know,
you know, sharpening your tools. And I see writing and reading,
and I put that in that same category. For me,
reading is sharpening my tools so I.
Speaker 3: Can write better.
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, and and writing oftentimes, this, this whole book
was just intended to be an exercise in sharpening my tools.
I didn't know that when I started. I didn't never
think that I would I would publish it. I thought
it would be more something for my family, a way
to kind of you know, that's great, remember this, Yeah,
probably the craziest story.
Speaker 3: I'm going to a totally like the way.
Speaker 2: You move things around in the book, And.
Speaker 4: That was all sharpening tools, right. I gave it to
people like you and the other folks who we meet with. They,
you know, one of the one of those folks, doctor LaRue,
you know, he got back to me and said, I'm
really having one of the earlier versions. I'm really having
a hard time following you know this and following where
this is going. Maybe, you know, maybe you could organize
it a little bit differently, And so I took that
feedback to heart, and then the current version is much
different than the original one.
Speaker 2: The chapter like just opening up on the cliff, to
me was like a big difference and more powerful. Well,
it was more powerful.
Speaker 4: There, and it took a lot of time to get there,
and a lot of you know, not everything far. A
lot of the chapters and stuff that was written that
were written originally are no longer part of that. Some
of them are making them their way into the Deep
Lessons book, but not a little longer part of that.
So it is to get back to your original question
about how much do I read these days? It's honestly
not that much, but enough consistently so that I feel
like I'm sharpening my tools.
Speaker 2: I like that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm gonna put myself in the enough distant lead
piece as well, just because it's it's hard with I've
got two young kids, spend a lot of time with Awesome.
I'm trying to do a little bit more writing because
of cliff Notes and helping edit some of some of
that as well, and Rob's influence of course.
Speaker 3: And you're going to get tenure.
Speaker 6: Yeah, man, I gotta get tenure. So I'm plugging through
articles related to the Dark Web and opioid us right
now and trying to oh really trying to get those published.
So one of them, one manuscript is in reviewer hell
right now. But I'm hoping that by the end of
the semester, this semester, that I'll all have a little
bit more information.
Speaker 4: One of the things I appreciate about Scott so much
is he might be one of the most detail oriented,
kind of practical logical people in one way, right and
then and you're also one of the most open minded
people in terms of your practice and the things that write.
And this it's this wonderful, uh, it is it is
he was the perfect person to read the fine Edition
in this book, because I knew that you were going
to be delect detail oriented and read it from a
practical perspective, almost like an auditor, but at the same
time be very open minded. And it's just such a
wonderful thing about you.
Speaker 6: I appreciate that, and I appreciate just getting to be
around both of you and in the Wise Council.
Speaker 5: The Wise Counsel I love too.
Speaker 2: I think someday, and I don't know, because I know
there's more that we haven't talked about that you do,
and I don't know what you would talk about or
not talk about, but I'd love to do like a
one on one. Yeah, if you were open to talking
about reiki and some things and other healing medalities and
shaman stuff, and I don't know if.
Speaker 6: You, Yeah, I would. I would love to talk about that.
Speaker 2: Because I think what you're doing it at the university,
I love that, and I guess I'm more impressed at
that the school itself, like you've really opened them up.
Speaker 4: It's it's an elective course, right, we cover all our
evidence based stuff and everything else we need than the curriculum.
And so there's the only reason to not do it
is if someone really had strong negative feelings about it. Right,
and we're in school of nursing, you know, we're surrounded
by people who are you know, in hospice and places
like that every day, and so this is we're going
to be in a place that's going to be welcoming
to this type of thing.
Speaker 3: We're in the right place.
Speaker 2: Well, I guess I always thought of higher learning institutions
as a place to exchange ideas. I don't have to
agree with everybody, but most of the time, the exchange
of ideas with evidence based behind it or something to
that effect, I always thought was really important and it
sometimes gets lost these days.
Speaker 5: And I love that.
Speaker 2: Saint John Fisher University, wtch I am a proud amum
of the college. Wasn't the university when I was there?
Speaker 4: Tried to get you in the hall of Fame. So
apparently it's defunct.
Speaker 2: It's defunct, and I.
Speaker 5: Found out why it was defunked and all that too.
Speaker 2: But I'm thinking, at some point, if I I was
going to use the word manifests, if I could manifest
things in a way I really want to, I would
love to bring it back because it needed funding, and
I think that was part of the part of the thing,
like anything right is funding.
Speaker 6: Let me just interject really quickly too. Both of you
have mentioned evidence based treatments and things of that nature,
and yep, route we absolutely do our evidence based mental
health counseling, addiction counseling, adolescent counseling, every persuasion of it too.
But there's an evidence base for a lot of the
complimentary treatment methods we talk about as well. That also
just doesn't get it. It doesn't time in the sun.
So we integrate that too as part of the course,
and it's a big part of what we do, even
though we do value some of the more anecdotal or
phenomenological experiences that people have when it comes to these modalities,
and I think that's really difficult to just ignore those
as well.
Speaker 2: I agree, I think it is difficult to ignore them.
And I think you're starting to see more what we
would refer to as Western modern medicine except thing or
integrating or suggesting to people to try different.
Speaker 3: Looking at the whole person.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, Doctor deep is actually his expertise is in
what's called aerobatic medicine, yes, which and which is an
Indian approach that it really looks at the whole person
and it includes you know, evidence based practice and in
some cases pharmaceuticals and things like that, but it's recognizes
how all of these things.
Speaker 3: Can work together.
Speaker 4: I think if we're doing a good job of trying
to help make sure that people understand that there's, you know,
there's two sides to healing.
Speaker 2: I think Clifton Springs Hospital has a whole uh sort
of I don't know that what you would call, but
more of this nor natural healing than other places that
I've ever it was.
Speaker 5: Just yeah, they do.
Speaker 4: That's and in India they have it within their twenty
twenty five I think it's their twenty twenty five plan.
I forgot it's twenty twenty five or twenty seven national
plan to have naughty rods in every hospital and every school.
Speaker 5: Wow, okay, all right, I'm.
Speaker 3: Sure it's part of that.
Speaker 4: We're we uh you know, our work there was was
part of influencing that to happen.
Speaker 3: So it's wild.
Speaker 5: It is wild because nothing happens by accident.
Speaker 2: So all that's great. It's the website up where you can.
Speaker 3: Get yeah, so it's a cliff notesbook dot com.
Speaker 5: Okay, and so I didn't know if it was live.
Speaker 2: You sent that it is.
Speaker 4: It's live, and so that if you go to cliff
notesbook dot com you can buy it directly through the publisher.
You can also get it on Amazon. I think it's
the same price either way, which but uh, you know,
Amazon takes a big cut if you get it through Amazon.
So if you got a choice, go through cliff notesbook
dot com.
Speaker 2: Cliff notesbook dot com very good, uh and Scott, any
uh anythings we need to be reading or looking for
From your.
Speaker 6: Question, what I would say is, if you are interested
in energy healing, the Energy Cure by William Beanston Bill
Bangston is a great place to start, especially if you
are more of an analytical mind and going down that path,
and if you're interested in riki. William rand is usually
the name that comes up for practitioners in the US,
and there's there's hundreds of books I could mention right now,
but I think those would be the two that I
would put out there just to encourage people that they're
interested in that go and pursue it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that there's uh more to this life
and more to our abilities than we even know, and
that that was I think more out of the Wise
Council spawned the Enlightenment in a sense.
Speaker 5: You know, so I love that.
Speaker 2: I really I appreciate you coming in, doctor rob Rice,
doctor Scott McGinnis on facult Think at St. John Fisher University.
Please go to cliff notes dot com. The book is entertaining.
Speaker 4: Cliff notesbook dot. Do you go to cliff Notes, then
you you'll get like a it's which is that Cliff's Notes, right?
Is the is the original the yellow books? That this
is cliff Notes, cliff Notes book, cliff notesbook dot.
Speaker 2: Right. Okay, thank you, because you'll even see how handy
Rob is. As we've talked about his writing and things
like that. He even renovated the entire camper that you're
camping in, like all that.
Speaker 3: That's my favorite thing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, let's see working with your hands. I like that too.
Speaker 3: It's important.
Speaker 2: Thank you, gentlemen. And this has been another installment of
bill Lightenment and will become its own thing in twenty
twenty five. And I will see you tomorrow. Step into
your power, child,