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<v Speaker 1>Oh, oh, guess what day it is? Guess what day

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<v Speaker 1>it is? Huh?

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<v Speaker 2>Anybody, It's hump Day.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, it is hump Day. Welcome to the Big Blue Sider.

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<v Speaker 3>Dick Gabriel with you on a Wednesday, and it is

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<v Speaker 3>one day closer of course the college football Thanks to

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<v Speaker 3>Corey Price and his account on Twitter, we know we

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<v Speaker 3>are eighty days away. I'm glad Corey is doing that,

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<v Speaker 3>and he's not the only one. There are countdowns out there.

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<v Speaker 3>I will take credit for being one of the first

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<v Speaker 3>to start this several years ago when I was working

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<v Speaker 3>at KYT and we had the website up for the

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<v Speaker 3>Big Blue in Sider. We don't anymore, reason being Curtis

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<v Speaker 3>Birch actually was so instrumental in our website and we

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<v Speaker 3>never were able to find another Curtis after Curtis became

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<v Speaker 3>a full timer. So anyhow, there are plenty of websites

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<v Speaker 3>out there, but on the KYT website, on the Big

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<v Speaker 3>Blon Sider website, we counted down actually from fifty days,

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<v Speaker 3>and on that particular day, we would provide you with

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<v Speaker 3>a corresponding group of nuggets, Like if there were the

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<v Speaker 3>fifty a day, we would have all kinds of things

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<v Speaker 3>pertaining to the number fifty and UK football. There's a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of fun to put it together, was labor intensive.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll share some of that information with you as we

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<v Speaker 3>get closer to kickoff, but our thanks to Corey for

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<v Speaker 3>getting that work done. And coincidentally enough, and of course

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<v Speaker 3>he uses a photo online of a corresponding number from

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<v Speaker 3>a player and I'm not sure which tight end it is,

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<v Speaker 3>but today's number, number eighty was a Kentucky tight end

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<v Speaker 3>scoring a touchdown. And again quite the coincidence, given the

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<v Speaker 3>fact that Vince Merrow has really been taking up a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of space on social media if you follow such

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<v Speaker 3>a thing, you've seen the comments from Kentucky fans responding

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<v Speaker 3>to him. He has come out a couple of times

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<v Speaker 3>said well, we'll you know, say something you know pretty soon,

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<v Speaker 3>words to that effect, and man, the bitter Kentucky fans

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<v Speaker 3>to follow in and I don't blame him, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>going to U of L Are you kidding me? A

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<v Speaker 3>month before camp begins. The tone, the least of which

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<v Speaker 3>was don't bother. The worst of it was you know

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<v Speaker 3>you've been terrible here, which is not true, and that's

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<v Speaker 3>what got me. Somebody tried to zing him about bringing

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<v Speaker 3>in inferior running backs, and come on, he brought in

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<v Speaker 3>two of the all time greats, two guys who carried

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<v Speaker 3>this program, help carry this program to a lot of wins,

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<v Speaker 3>and that's Benny Snell and Chris Rodriguez. There were other players,

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<v Speaker 3>but if you're going to go after him on a

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<v Speaker 3>specific position, I would lay off running back. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>both of those guys went to the NFL, and Rodriguez

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<v Speaker 3>is still there, and Benny, of course set new records

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<v Speaker 3>and took this team to one of its health takes

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<v Speaker 3>his team to one of its greatest wins down at

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<v Speaker 3>the Citrus Bowl. So yeah, be mad at Vince Merrill,

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<v Speaker 3>no problem, but be accurate. I mean, there's a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of stuff you can use if you're looking to sling

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<v Speaker 3>accusations and whatever, but I wouldn't go with running backs.

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<v Speaker 3>We're gonna talk basketball, yeah, I know, and football fans

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<v Speaker 3>get on me because you know it's not even basketball

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<v Speaker 3>season or coming up in football whatever. But there's so

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<v Speaker 3>much happening right now. Number one, Number two, they gave

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<v Speaker 3>us access to a couple of basketball players, and we'll

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<v Speaker 3>come back to that in just a moment. We'll take

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<v Speaker 3>it away yesterday, Brandon Garrison today. But the biggest story

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<v Speaker 3>that came out from the NCAAA was the fact that

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<v Speaker 3>the NCAA is approved again. This is the member institutions.

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<v Speaker 3>These are committees comprised of people from the member institutions,

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<v Speaker 3>not the guys wearing the suits up in Indianapolis. But

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<v Speaker 3>the NCAA approving multiple major rule changes in men's college basketball,

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<v Speaker 3>and the greatest goal, or one of them, was to

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<v Speaker 3>improve the flow of the game. Now, some of it

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<v Speaker 3>involves reviews, replays, challenges, things like that. And there are

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<v Speaker 3>plenty of stories out there on the web right now

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<v Speaker 3>about the NCAA Playing Rules Oversite Panel. If you want

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<v Speaker 3>to look for it, just google that NCAAA Playing Rules

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<v Speaker 3>Oversight Panel. And they released information late yesterday afternoon on

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<v Speaker 3>things like the coaches challenge you like in college football.

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<v Speaker 3>The teams have to have a time out to request

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<v Speaker 3>an instant replay review, and if it's successful, you can

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<v Speaker 3>be granted an additional review challenge for the remainder of

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<v Speaker 3>the game, including overtime. If unsuccessful, you lose the ability

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<v Speaker 3>to challenge any other calls in the game. Now, challenges

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<v Speaker 3>will not impact an official use of instant replay for

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<v Speaker 3>timing mistakes, scoring errors, shot clock violations, two point versus

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<v Speaker 3>three point field goal tries, flagrant fouls, things like that.

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<v Speaker 3>But officials can initiate video reviews on basketball interference in goaltending.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the Kentucky rule. Remember three or four years ago,

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<v Speaker 3>Wildcats lost a game in rup to LSU on a

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<v Speaker 3>bucket by the Tigers. It was clearly basket interference. There's

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<v Speaker 3>no such thing as offensive goaltending, and I heard a

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<v Speaker 3>network commentator use that term, but basketball interference, But the

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<v Speaker 3>officials could not review it. Everybody's screaming and yelling and

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<v Speaker 3>they were like, hey, nothing we can do. It's not

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<v Speaker 3>in the rules. They can also initiate video reviews and

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<v Speaker 3>restricted arc plays in the final two minutes of regulation

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<v Speaker 3>and overtime. There's a lot to it, and they've studied

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<v Speaker 3>the data about game interruptions and game flow and things

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<v Speaker 3>like that. NSA refs still are not allowed to conduct

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<v Speaker 3>video review on out of bounds calls unless first prompted

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<v Speaker 3>by a coaches challenge. Those are the ones that seem

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<v Speaker 3>like they take forever. So again, just type in if

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<v Speaker 3>you want to read the whole thing. NSA playing rules

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<v Speaker 3>Oversight Panel, and you'll get more information on that. The

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<v Speaker 3>other basketball related news out there, of course, is about

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<v Speaker 3>the brand new, essentially salary cap. J Billis has sounded

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<v Speaker 3>off as you might expect. The ESPN commentator and longtime

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<v Speaker 3>advocate for paying players and one of the loudest critics,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe the loudest of the NCAA. He has said that

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<v Speaker 3>this new deal will allow players. Not everybody's going to

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<v Speaker 3>get money, by the way, that's up to the schools

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<v Speaker 3>who gets what. But he says the new deal will

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<v Speaker 3>allow players to get their money and will allow schools

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<v Speaker 3>to lock them down. How do you like that? I

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<v Speaker 3>know you do. Twenty point five million dollars per school,

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<v Speaker 3>the amount likely rising each year as revenues increase. But

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<v Speaker 3>it is a salary cap. Schools don't have to spend

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<v Speaker 3>that much, but they can. Players still can earn quote

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<v Speaker 3>unquote fair market additional money from endorsements and other endeavors.

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<v Speaker 3>But Billi says buyout clauses probably will lock them down.

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<v Speaker 3>So when you sign a player to a multi year contract,

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<v Speaker 3>this annual amount that's going to keep going up because

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<v Speaker 3>revenues keep going up in the negotiations, but you can

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<v Speaker 3>put buyouts in those contracts, and when you do, those

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<v Speaker 3>players aren't going anywhere. And he says other streams for

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<v Speaker 3>players will be police. He said, you put your contract,

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<v Speaker 3>your name, image and likeness in the marketplace, subject to

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<v Speaker 3>review by an accounting an auditing firm for fair market value.

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<v Speaker 3>And he gave an example. Suppose there's a local car

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<v Speaker 3>dealership that wants to pay your third string quarterback four

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<v Speaker 3>million a year to do commercials for a dealership that

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<v Speaker 3>grosses only a million dollars a year, and the firm

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<v Speaker 3>is likely as ay, nope, that is not fair market value.

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<v Speaker 3>So a lot is changing right now. And Billius, of

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<v Speaker 3>course weighing in. I don't blame him. Everybody else is

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<v Speaker 3>That's what I'm doing right now, all right. We mentioned

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<v Speaker 3>Brandon Garrison. He spoke to the media yesterday and I

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<v Speaker 3>asked him about the fact that Mark Pope can't wait.

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<v Speaker 3>He's excited about seeing where players go and his system

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<v Speaker 3>because they've always done fairly well, apparently from year one

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<v Speaker 3>to year two.

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<v Speaker 2>Learning things that he teaches us that he did as

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<v Speaker 2>a player, all the knowledge he knows, pouring it into us,

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<v Speaker 2>taking a bentice of it, and uh actually doing it.

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<v Speaker 2>And just stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 3>What sort of things is he shared as a guy

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<v Speaker 3>who was a big in the NBA, that can help you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, just doing things right all the time, being the

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<v Speaker 2>hardest worker, being the leader, because you know, he led

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<v Speaker 2>that team to championship, so that's his biggest thing, just

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<v Speaker 2>being the leader, being a great teammate, and things like that.

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<v Speaker 3>Garrison was asked about defense, basically team defense, which was

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<v Speaker 3>a point of inconsistency last year, got much better down

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<v Speaker 3>the stretch, but he did allow us how I believes

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<v Speaker 3>that'll be a point of emphasis.

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<v Speaker 2>Hitting on that, like the summer leading into the season. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, just telling the guys that that that really

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<v Speaker 2>means something to us, and just you know, applying that

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<v Speaker 2>into games, not just talking about it.

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<v Speaker 3>Is that tough for a freshman to come in and

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<v Speaker 1>Didn't have to play defense?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, as much, I mean, conder, but not really just

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<v Speaker 2>because like you got lotes, Like you're not a high

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<v Speaker 2>school no more. You move into the Big boy League,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, so you got to sit down and play defense,

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<v Speaker 2>and you're going to play.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, playing in the big boy League, and you

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<v Speaker 3>got to think Dad really hit home with Brandon Garrison

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<v Speaker 3>as well. He played, you know, for a D one

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<v Speaker 3>team prior to getting here, but the SEC that's a

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<v Speaker 3>different issue, as you well know. Coming up at the

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<v Speaker 3>bottom of the hour, we'll talk with Aaron Gershan and

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<v Speaker 3>the Cats balls and it being Wednesday, Shawn Woods, the

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<v Speaker 3>Unforgettable Guard will join us as now our number two,

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<v Speaker 3>I had on the Big boon Sider here on six

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<v Speaker 3>thirty wlap. Welcome back to the Big Bluon Sider. Coming

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<v Speaker 3>up to the bottom of the rara and ger Sean

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<v Speaker 3>to the Cat's pause. We'll talk with him about the

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<v Speaker 3>Vince Merrow situation and the impact it may have or

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<v Speaker 3>already have had on Kentucky football. We'll also talk of

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<v Speaker 3>up and of the house settlement. Naturally our number two,

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<v Speaker 3>Sean Woods, the Unforgettable Guard, now the head coach at

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<v Speaker 3>the these rule changes because Sewn worked and coached and

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<v Speaker 3>played at the D one level as well, and then

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<v Speaker 3>West End Bureau chief Gary Moore joined us in our

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<v Speaker 3>number two as well. NBA playoffs resumed tomorrow night and

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<v Speaker 3>Shay Gilgess Alexander had a huge game in Game number two,

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<v Speaker 3>had a big game in Game one, but shot it

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<v Speaker 3>way too many times and his team blew it. His

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<v Speaker 3>Indiana in Oklahoma City, and then they came back blew

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<v Speaker 3>them out in game two. So tomorrow night it moved

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<v Speaker 3>to Indianapolis and SGA with a chance to lead his

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<v Speaker 3>team to its first NBA championship really since the franchise

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<v Speaker 3>was the Seattle SuperSonics, that goes back to nineteen seventy

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<v Speaker 3>nine when that team beat the defending champ. Chance the

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<v Speaker 3>defending champion the Washington Bullets led by Wes Unseled and

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<v Speaker 3>Kevin Greevy. Back in the day, the Bullets were favored

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<v Speaker 3>won it. But then many years later moved to Oklahoma City.

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<v Speaker 3>This is their second trip to the NBA Finals and

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<v Speaker 3>their best chance to win a title, and that's primarily

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<v Speaker 3>not the only reason. Because of Shay Gilders Alexander l

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<v Speaker 3>league's MVP, and he had a couple of big games

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<v Speaker 3>and a chance to become the playoffs MVP if indeed

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<v Speaker 3>he can lead his team to a championship. If he doesn't,

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<v Speaker 3>they got to keep the Pacers from coming back, and

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<v Speaker 3>Here just in this year's playoffs, they came back. They

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<v Speaker 3>They led forer point three seconds. But in the conference

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<v Speaker 3>two of the conference semifinals, Indiana had a four percent

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<v Speaker 3>Then they come from as many as fourteen down with

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<v Speaker 3>So NBC News essentially NBC Sports, did a survey, did

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<v Speaker 3>this and that, but it's just for fun. But according

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<v Speaker 3>Other rare events are more likely. For instance, the odds

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<v Speaker 3>of competing in the summer Olympics basically two to one

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<v Speaker 3>thousands of a point being dealt a Royal flush and

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<v Speaker 3>poker just a little bit better than your odds of

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<v Speaker 3>competing in the Olympics. Okay, now, being hit by lightning

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<v Speaker 3>this year zero point four zeros eight to two. So

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<v Speaker 3>greater than the Pacers winning those games. But wait, there's more.

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<v Speaker 3>but the odds of you being attacked by a bear

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<v Speaker 3>are point zero zero zero zero four zeros four to eight,

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<v Speaker 3>as for the Pacers, five zeros zero point and then

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<v Speaker 3>five zeros nine percent, so that's what like less than

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<v Speaker 3>of the Pacers winning all four of those games, and

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<v Speaker 3>yet they do it. They do it. They come back,

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<v Speaker 3>they grind, they hit three pointers, they steal the ball,

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<v Speaker 3>and if the and if OKC goes on to lose

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<v Speaker 3>this series by a game, they will forever and they

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<v Speaker 3>should and the fans will remember Game one when Indiana

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<v Speaker 3>came out, turned it over twenty five times, shot poorly,

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<v Speaker 3>and got to hang around because OKC began to play

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<v Speaker 3>with an eye on the clock. And that to me

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<v Speaker 3>is truly playing not to lose. I get tired of

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<v Speaker 3>people saying this team came out and mostly in football,

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<v Speaker 3>the way they call plays, they play not to lose. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>in football, you can play not to lose by not

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<v Speaker 3>throwing the ball down the field all the time and

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<v Speaker 3>putting it up for interception or pitchouts. They could end

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<v Speaker 3>up in fumbles and things like that. But in a

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<v Speaker 3>game where there's a shot clock, and we've seen Kentucky

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<v Speaker 3>do this. That was one of the complaints I had

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<v Speaker 3>about Calipari and you did too. They tried to sock

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<v Speaker 3>play more deliberately and run that stupid weave out front

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<v Speaker 3>and now at eight seconds ago, look for a shot.

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<v Speaker 3>It was terrible and you can see that in the NBA.

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<v Speaker 3>I cannot let Indiana work back into that. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm rooting for OKAC. I can't. I can't root for

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<v Speaker 3>Pacers fan. His wife's from Indiana. Can't do it. They

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<v Speaker 3>beat the Colonels too much. When I was a kid,

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<v Speaker 3>that was my number one enemy team. That was the villain.

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<v Speaker 3>If you're a Colonels fan, the Pacers, well, Roger Brown,

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<v Speaker 3>Bob Nettlelickey, Oh no, I couldn't. I couldn't take him.

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<v Speaker 3>George McGinnis. No, So yeah, I'm rooting for OKC. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>rooted for Oklahoma City. Wellever it happens or not, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know, but they can't let him stick around and

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<v Speaker 3>come back. ABC Chaneral thirty six tomorrow night starts at

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<v Speaker 3>eight thirty. Another honor for Tyler Bell, the Kentucky shortstop

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<v Speaker 3>now named the first team Freshman All American by the

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<v Speaker 3>Collegiate Baseball Writers Association. Perfect Game had him second team.

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<v Speaker 3>He is the first freshman to get that honor since

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<v Speaker 3>the COVID year in twenty twenty. Rose is still part

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<v Speaker 3>of the Orioles chain. Tyler Bell was the only UK

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<v Speaker 3>player to hit better than three hundred in conference play

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<v Speaker 3>wow at three eighteen, and led the team in doubles, homers, RBI,

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<v Speaker 3>and slugging percentage in those games. So you go back

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<v Speaker 3>to the Rhodes at the outfielder in twenty twenty. Prior to that,

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<v Speaker 3>Zach Thompson, left handed pitcher with a freshman All American.

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<v Speaker 3>By the way, the year before, Sean Jelly, another pitcher

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<v Speaker 3>developed by Gary Henderson, and Justin Lewis two right handed pitchers,

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<v Speaker 3>both freshman All Americans in twenty sixteen, and you go

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<v Speaker 3>back to twenty twelve oft aj Reid, who is the

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<v Speaker 3>College Player of the Year. Austin Kuzeno, currently in Kentucky

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<v Speaker 3>coach a freshman All American in twenty twelve and Chris

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<v Speaker 3>Wade shortstop back in twenty year eight. All right, we're

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<v Speaker 3>gonna step out, come back and talk with Aaron Gershan

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<v Speaker 3>on the Cat's Balls here on six point thirty WLAP

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome back to the Big Blue Insider. Joining us as

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<v Speaker 3>he does each week on our Celebrity Highline is Aaron

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<v Speaker 3>Gershan of the Cat's Balls, covers baseball, football, basketball, anything

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<v Speaker 3>on the UK Beat and boy the headline this week

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<v Speaker 3>and it was a stunner, Aaron. Although there were some

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<v Speaker 3>rumblings a while back about merriw and Ul and then

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<v Speaker 3>How surprised were you?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>I was very surprised to happen now. If you were

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<v Speaker 4>to tell me it was going to happen in December

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<v Speaker 4>or shortly even late November, shortly after the Governor's Cup,

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<v Speaker 4>even January, I wouldn't have been that surprised. But the

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<v Speaker 4>fact that happened now June, which is prime high school

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<v Speaker 4>recruiting season, like tons of official visits, the camp visitors

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<v Speaker 4>like it is both busy off the fields, not even

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<v Speaker 4>off the field camp. It's just the busiest high school

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<v Speaker 4>recruiting month on the calendar, and your recruiting coordinator who's

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<v Speaker 4>been you know, the childhood best friend of your head coach,

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<v Speaker 4>and then you know they come together and build this

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<v Speaker 4>rival right in the middle of that, just a few

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<v Speaker 4>you know, six weeks or so before fall camp and

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<v Speaker 4>a month away from SEC media days when you're gonna

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<v Speaker 4>just get absolutely torched with questions about it. Just just brutal,

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<v Speaker 4>there's no way around it. It's a massive hit for

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<v Speaker 4>Kentucky pr wise, it's a massive hit on the recruiting show,

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<v Speaker 4>you would think. And it's also just another tough look

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<v Speaker 4>for you know, Mark Stoops. And again there's probably a

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<v Speaker 4>lot more to the story, but this is just what

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<v Speaker 4>the public reception is going to be. It's a tough

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<v Speaker 4>look for Mark Stoops because this program is taking three

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<v Speaker 4>steps back. He hasn't. It's kind of similar to toward the

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<v Speaker 4>end of cows Time, where he has been very visible

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<v Speaker 4>this summer and I get you know it doesn't talk

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<v Speaker 4>that much in the summer, but you didn't see him,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, invested on the Paul Fine Mom Show, which

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<v Speaker 4>is something he does sometimes. You know, he hasn't done

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<v Speaker 4>I think he did one or two press conferences during

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<v Speaker 4>the spring, which is normal, and then one after the showcase.

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<v Speaker 4>But you know, no local radio interview, not just haven't

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<v Speaker 4>heard much from him and then this happens. It's just

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<v Speaker 4>it's been a rough offseason. It's been a rough couple

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<v Speaker 4>of years. And gets adds to it.

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<v Speaker 3>He did do an interview with the SEC this morning,

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<v Speaker 3>which they replayed I think over there yesterday. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>you're right, not nearly as much as he's done in

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<v Speaker 3>the past. And there's so much to unpack, as you

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<v Speaker 3>kids like to say, with the mirror move. Yes, losing

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<v Speaker 3>the recruiting coordinator, the guy who brought in so much

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<v Speaker 3>talent from Ohio, and then at Stoops's behest lockdown Kentucky,

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<v Speaker 3>oh when they were getting beat a few times. You

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<v Speaker 3>cannot diminish what happened there. Well, he will not be

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<v Speaker 3>the recording coordinator at Louisville. He'll be there. Quote to

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<v Speaker 3>woe GM. I'm curious to see. Maybe it's halready been

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<v Speaker 3>reported Aaron if he will be cleared to recruit off

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<v Speaker 3>campus Number one, but even if he's not. I mean

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<v Speaker 3>you they can only an x amount of as you know,

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<v Speaker 3>only an X amount of assistant coaches and head coaches

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<v Speaker 3>can be clear to recruit off campus. Otherwise you've got

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<v Speaker 3>fifty thousand recruiters out there. But you know as well

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<v Speaker 3>as I do, he's got some charm to him. And

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<v Speaker 3>if they can get a kid on campus and they

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<v Speaker 3>sit down and talk, here's our GM, Vince Merrill, to

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<v Speaker 3>tell you about our nil program. That's going to go

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<v Speaker 3>a long way, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he's going to have that. And basically my understanding

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<v Speaker 4>of it is he's kind of going to run point

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<v Speaker 4>on where everyone else is recruiting and who the players

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<v Speaker 4>they're focusing on, the areas they're focusing on. And again

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not exactly sure how if he's the one who

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<v Speaker 4>can go make phone calls to kids, if he can

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<v Speaker 4>go visit them, or if it's something where, like you said,

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<v Speaker 4>you can't talk to him till on Vel's campus. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>he's gonna make it, make your impact if he's the

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<v Speaker 4>Vince Marrow that Kentucky has had for most of his

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<v Speaker 4>tenure here. And you know, I'm not gonna put anything

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<v Speaker 4>out there I just it's interesting when you see Louisville

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<v Speaker 4>already starting to clean up in the state of Kentucky

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<v Speaker 4>before this move, and I don't I know, Vince Marrow

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<v Speaker 4>was still recruiting in my half of Kentucky as of

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<v Speaker 4>last weekend. It's just like, did they say, hey, we're

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<v Speaker 4>trying to make this happen and try to get like more.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, they got the top kid at the North

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<v Speaker 4>Pard and that hasn't happened in quite some time, so

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<v Speaker 4>it's already getting interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>They've had more.

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<v Speaker 4>Success in Ohio this cycle than ever before, where Kentucky

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<v Speaker 4>has hardly been recruiting Ohio. So yeah, I think I

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<v Speaker 4>Merriw and that motivation is still there, which you know

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<v Speaker 4>think he's going to clean up. I just think Kentucky,

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<v Speaker 4>from what I understood, was doing things a little differently

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<v Speaker 4>where Marrow the in years past and most of his

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<v Speaker 4>tenure here, basically he didn't even have to ask permissions

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<v Speaker 4>to take a commitment. He obviously went in and dominated

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<v Speaker 4>in state. He dominated in Ohio, and you know the

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<v Speaker 4>last couple of years they've kind of taken a different

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<v Speaker 4>direction both high school wise, as who's seen you know,

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<v Speaker 4>the numbers just it's part of it's the portal and

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<v Speaker 4>you have to have more portal kids. But you know,

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<v Speaker 4>you look at what they're doing in this twenty six cycle,

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<v Speaker 4>Kentucky only three overall, but the kids they're recruiting, a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of them are from Texas and Louisiana in Florida.

417
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<v Speaker 4>It's not it's a little different. And it makes me wonder,

418
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<v Speaker 4>was Vince Marrow kind of script of some of that

419
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<v Speaker 4>power and some of that handed to the other assistance

420
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<v Speaker 4>on staff and Eddie Grant who's serving as the GM.

421
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<v Speaker 3>Basically we're talking, Aaron Gershin, of the Cat's Pause, and

422
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<v Speaker 3>of course we're talking about the move by Vince Marrow

423
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<v Speaker 3>to take the job over at u of L. And

424
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<v Speaker 3>I do wonder that myself, Aaron, because it looks like,

425
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<v Speaker 3>in like every school in America, Kentucky's had to change

426
00:25:02.920 --> 00:25:05.480
<v Speaker 3>the way it does business. Yes, when it comes to

427
00:25:05.559 --> 00:25:09.880
<v Speaker 3>building its roster more from the portal than and Stoops

428
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<v Speaker 3>has made no bones about the fact that he wants

429
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<v Speaker 3>the mix of the young guys, the true freshman coming

430
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<v Speaker 3>in and the transfers. But that really, I'm guessing change

431
00:25:22.119 --> 00:25:25.200
<v Speaker 3>the parameters of Merrow's job here, you know what I mean.

432
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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I would think it has. And it's interesting because

433
00:25:29.400 --> 00:25:32.279
<v Speaker 4>Louisville has been a very much a transfer portal program

434
00:25:32.640 --> 00:25:35.799
<v Speaker 4>the last two years. But maybe that you could attribute

435
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<v Speaker 4>some of that to just having a new head coach

436
00:25:38.000 --> 00:25:40.920
<v Speaker 4>and having to rebuild things. As you see again, they're

437
00:25:40.920 --> 00:25:43.359
<v Speaker 4>cleaning up on the high school trail of this cycle.

438
00:25:43.400 --> 00:25:45.799
<v Speaker 4>And I think they're not just in state and in Ohio.

439
00:25:45.839 --> 00:25:48.039
<v Speaker 4>I think they're like tenth overall in the country right now.

440
00:25:48.119 --> 00:25:51.599
<v Speaker 4>So you know, they're obviously maybe now that Bram has

441
00:25:51.640 --> 00:25:54.200
<v Speaker 4>laid some roots and it's kind of established himself, that's

442
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<v Speaker 4>going to change a little bit. But it's interesting to

443
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<v Speaker 4>see how they continue doing business as far as you know,

444
00:26:00.200 --> 00:26:03.160
<v Speaker 4>the portal and high school and the balance there. But yeah,

445
00:26:03.279 --> 00:26:06.359
<v Speaker 4>it's just a different sport than it was even three

446
00:26:06.440 --> 00:26:09.519
<v Speaker 4>years ago, let alone last year, and let alone five, six,

447
00:26:09.599 --> 00:26:12.079
<v Speaker 4>seven years ago. In the heart of when Merrow was

448
00:26:12.240 --> 00:26:14.359
<v Speaker 4>getting the big names from Kentucky. I mean, you had

449
00:26:14.400 --> 00:26:17.319
<v Speaker 4>the one high school class whereas Cash Daniel Land and

450
00:26:17.359 --> 00:26:20.039
<v Speaker 4>Young and Drake Jackson, and he's got all of them.

451
00:26:20.839 --> 00:26:24.039
<v Speaker 4>Like those days are just not those that being a

452
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<v Speaker 4>massive win. Those days are unfortunately over. And I'm sure

453
00:26:28.079 --> 00:26:31.000
<v Speaker 4>that's been tough for Mary to accept because that is

454
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<v Speaker 4>what makes him special as a recruiter. But at the

455
00:26:34.200 --> 00:26:38.480
<v Speaker 4>same time, you know, Kentucky has fallen behind for whatever reason,

456
00:26:38.559 --> 00:26:41.200
<v Speaker 4>and you know, you have to just wonder where Meryll

457
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<v Speaker 4>plays into it and maybe where they could have utilized

458
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<v Speaker 4>him more if he feels like he needed to make

459
00:26:48.480 --> 00:26:50.839
<v Speaker 4>this type of statement move. I mean, this is a

460
00:26:50.880 --> 00:26:53.480
<v Speaker 4>statement that he's making. It's not to do this in

461
00:26:53.559 --> 00:26:55.839
<v Speaker 4>June and to go to the Art Trival. And I understand,

462
00:26:56.160 --> 00:26:58.000
<v Speaker 4>you know he played with Jeff Brown and Brown in

463
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<v Speaker 4>the XFL and he has a good relationship with him

464
00:27:00.640 --> 00:27:04.039
<v Speaker 4>and Brian Brahm, But like, make this move to the

465
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<v Speaker 4>Art rival in the middle of June during that high

466
00:27:07.319 --> 00:27:10.920
<v Speaker 4>school recruiting period. He's making a statement here, and it's

467
00:27:10.920 --> 00:27:12.759
<v Speaker 4>gonna be really interesting. We know he's going to go

468
00:27:12.759 --> 00:27:15.359
<v Speaker 4>on radio at some point. It's gonna be really interesting

469
00:27:15.400 --> 00:27:16.359
<v Speaker 4>to see what he has to say.

470
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<v Speaker 3>Well, I wonder will there be a news conference where

471
00:27:19.319 --> 00:27:22.880
<v Speaker 3>he basically you would say talking to one radio reporter

472
00:27:23.000 --> 00:27:24.720
<v Speaker 3>talks to everybody you know that's gonna.

473
00:27:24.480 --> 00:27:26.880
<v Speaker 4>Be fast, might talk to you all, yeah it will

474
00:27:26.920 --> 00:27:30.119
<v Speaker 4>be fascinating, and yeah it will be And you know

475
00:27:30.200 --> 00:27:32.279
<v Speaker 4>he'd love to get Mark Stoops.

476
00:27:32.519 --> 00:27:32.759
<v Speaker 1>I know.

477
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<v Speaker 4>I think he's on vacation this week, is what I heard.

478
00:27:36.599 --> 00:27:38.279
<v Speaker 4>So I'd love to hear what he has to say

479
00:27:38.279 --> 00:27:40.799
<v Speaker 4>when he gets back, because you know, there needs to

480
00:27:41.400 --> 00:27:43.799
<v Speaker 4>We'll hear from Mary, we know that, but I think

481
00:27:43.799 --> 00:27:46.519
<v Speaker 4>there definitely needs to be something from UK side eventually.

482
00:27:46.599 --> 00:27:48.400
<v Speaker 4>I know this hasn't been official yet, so I'm not

483
00:27:48.440 --> 00:27:52.079
<v Speaker 4>getting on them for not doing anything yet, but there

484
00:27:52.200 --> 00:27:55.000
<v Speaker 4>just needs to be answered. There's there's too much speculation

485
00:27:55.079 --> 00:27:57.079
<v Speaker 4>out there for Kentucky to let it go unanswered.

486
00:27:57.119 --> 00:28:02.799
<v Speaker 3>One think about that within the last two years, he

487
00:28:02.839 --> 00:28:05.880
<v Speaker 3>gets he gets a Stoops gets a surprise call from

488
00:28:05.920 --> 00:28:08.200
<v Speaker 3>Liam Cohen. Hey, I know I just got here, but

489
00:28:08.200 --> 00:28:09.000
<v Speaker 3>I'm leaving again.

490
00:28:09.599 --> 00:28:09.839
<v Speaker 1>Yep.

491
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<v Speaker 3>I can't imagine this was as much of a shock

492
00:28:13.880 --> 00:28:17.119
<v Speaker 3>the Stoops as close as he has been, you know,

493
00:28:17.359 --> 00:28:18.920
<v Speaker 3>with Vince Marrill, I don't know.

494
00:28:20.119 --> 00:28:22.680
<v Speaker 4>I don't know we heard on I'll say, because we're

495
00:28:22.720 --> 00:28:25.079
<v Speaker 4>already out there, but I know someone else put it

496
00:28:25.160 --> 00:28:30.319
<v Speaker 4>out different outlet, but you know, Kentucky really didn't hear

497
00:28:30.319 --> 00:28:34.880
<v Speaker 4>about it till the Pete Tamil treat. Wow, like that

498
00:28:35.039 --> 00:28:37.240
<v Speaker 4>is the word that's out there, and that was out there.

499
00:28:37.440 --> 00:28:41.200
<v Speaker 3>Imagine that. I'm imagine that's you're the final the final word.

500
00:28:41.799 --> 00:28:43.640
<v Speaker 3>But I mean the vibe, you know what I'm saying?

501
00:28:44.440 --> 00:28:47.519
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, probably, yeah, yeah, you could definitely sense the vibe.

502
00:28:47.680 --> 00:28:50.160
<v Speaker 4>There's no question and clearly there had to have been

503
00:28:50.160 --> 00:28:53.240
<v Speaker 4>a drift there. But again like Vince Merrill as a

504
00:28:53.359 --> 00:28:56.839
<v Speaker 4>Sunday was recruiting for Kentucky. Yeah, our site learned. And

505
00:28:56.839 --> 00:29:01.279
<v Speaker 4>then also, uh, Kentucky posted picture from I think it

506
00:29:01.359 --> 00:29:03.920
<v Speaker 4>was either Friday or Saturday of some little you know,

507
00:29:04.000 --> 00:29:06.720
<v Speaker 4>team get together thing they did, you know, team bonding

508
00:29:06.799 --> 00:29:10.480
<v Speaker 4>drills and whatnot, and Vince Barrow was there shooting basketball.

509
00:29:10.759 --> 00:29:13.680
<v Speaker 4>So it's like, what the heck happened?

510
00:29:14.240 --> 00:29:15.960
<v Speaker 1>He must have just the.

511
00:29:15.920 --> 00:29:18.400
<v Speaker 4>Bombs, must have just pushed it across the finish line.

512
00:29:18.720 --> 00:29:21.480
<v Speaker 4>You know, it's it's going to be fascinating once the

513
00:29:21.519 --> 00:29:24.400
<v Speaker 4>full truth comes out. There's just too much to speculate over.

514
00:29:24.519 --> 00:29:27.599
<v Speaker 4>But no matter how you slice it, it's just the

515
00:29:27.599 --> 00:29:29.640
<v Speaker 4>brutal pr look for Kentucky.

516
00:29:29.599 --> 00:29:34.359
<v Speaker 3>Was the Tennessee quarterback that was at the team QB

517
00:29:34.519 --> 00:29:37.680
<v Speaker 3>bonding event one night and at UCLA and x so

518
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<v Speaker 3>he is Aaron the Cat's Paws. We'll come back and

519
00:29:41.039 --> 00:29:42.960
<v Speaker 3>talk basketball with Aaron on the other side of the

520
00:29:42.960 --> 00:29:46.720
<v Speaker 3>break here on six thirty WLAP Welcome back. We're talking

521
00:29:46.759 --> 00:29:50.079
<v Speaker 3>with Aaron Gershawan on the Cat's Pause. He covers baseball, football,

522
00:29:50.160 --> 00:29:53.240
<v Speaker 3>basketball for the Cat's Paws. And you had a chance

523
00:29:53.240 --> 00:29:56.000
<v Speaker 3>to talk with a couple of the basketball cats this week.

524
00:29:56.559 --> 00:29:59.960
<v Speaker 3>Brandon Garrison will take away not a lot of shocking,

525
00:30:00.200 --> 00:30:02.799
<v Speaker 3>not a lot of revelations coming out of that. But

526
00:30:03.359 --> 00:30:05.079
<v Speaker 3>what did you take away first of all from your

527
00:30:05.119 --> 00:30:09.119
<v Speaker 3>conversation with Oway that you enjoyed maybe more than anything else.

528
00:30:09.960 --> 00:30:12.519
<v Speaker 1>A lot less drama there. Yeah, he was.

529
00:30:13.200 --> 00:30:15.720
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it was really interesting to hear. He didn't really

530
00:30:15.720 --> 00:30:18.279
<v Speaker 4>want to, which I thought was interesting go into too

531
00:30:18.319 --> 00:30:21.720
<v Speaker 4>much detail about exactly what the scouts kind of laid

532
00:30:21.720 --> 00:30:23.559
<v Speaker 4>out for him to work on. A lot of the times,

533
00:30:23.599 --> 00:30:25.839
<v Speaker 4>you know, you ask these players that and they'll kind

534
00:30:25.839 --> 00:30:27.839
<v Speaker 4>of give you the rundown of what the scouts told them.

535
00:30:27.839 --> 00:30:30.880
<v Speaker 4>But he kind of seemed to want to. He didn't

536
00:30:31.039 --> 00:30:32.839
<v Speaker 4>not give an non answer, but he kind of danced

537
00:30:32.880 --> 00:30:35.519
<v Speaker 4>around it. So it was interesting that you know, maybe

538
00:30:35.480 --> 00:30:37.279
<v Speaker 4>he wants to keep that close to the vest. Maybe

539
00:30:37.279 --> 00:30:39.519
<v Speaker 4>he doesn't want to let h you know, put that

540
00:30:39.640 --> 00:30:42.039
<v Speaker 4>on on video and then have the opponents kind of

541
00:30:42.079 --> 00:30:44.400
<v Speaker 4>key in on what they what he's working on. Obviously

542
00:30:44.440 --> 00:30:46.599
<v Speaker 4>that will you know, tab will be out there eventually.

543
00:30:46.720 --> 00:30:48.920
<v Speaker 4>But I thought that was interesting. But you know, he

544
00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:51.359
<v Speaker 4>said he just said all the right things that you know,

545
00:30:51.839 --> 00:30:53.440
<v Speaker 4>he sounded like a mar Pope player. You know, he

546
00:30:53.519 --> 00:30:56.240
<v Speaker 4>talked about how you know, yes, I could have definitely

547
00:30:56.279 --> 00:30:58.440
<v Speaker 4>gone to the draft, and you know, all the all

548
00:30:58.480 --> 00:31:00.720
<v Speaker 4>the word out there was he had a really good

549
00:31:00.720 --> 00:31:03.359
<v Speaker 4>workout and he had a good combine and you know,

550
00:31:03.440 --> 00:31:05.319
<v Speaker 4>probably still wouldn't have been a first round pick, but

551
00:31:05.400 --> 00:31:09.480
<v Speaker 4>maybe worked in my worked his way into early second conversation,

552
00:31:09.640 --> 00:31:11.599
<v Speaker 4>maybe mid second to where it would have been a

553
00:31:11.599 --> 00:31:13.519
<v Speaker 4>little more interesting. But he said it just came down

554
00:31:13.559 --> 00:31:16.160
<v Speaker 4>to wanting to win a national championship.

555
00:31:15.680 --> 00:31:17.200
<v Speaker 1>And be the leader of this crew.

556
00:31:17.119 --> 00:31:20.480
<v Speaker 4>And that I mean that's just you know music to fansiers.

557
00:31:20.519 --> 00:31:23.279
<v Speaker 4>There was no yeah, yeah, he mentioned like I could

558
00:31:23.279 --> 00:31:25.839
<v Speaker 4>come back and improve my stock, but the fact that

559
00:31:26.000 --> 00:31:28.559
<v Speaker 4>was like the fourth thing he mentioned, you know a

560
00:31:28.559 --> 00:31:31.039
<v Speaker 4>lot of the times the players innocently, he'll be like, yeah,

561
00:31:31.200 --> 00:31:32.039
<v Speaker 4>you know, I'm.

562
00:31:31.839 --> 00:31:32.359
<v Speaker 1>Not there yet.

563
00:31:32.400 --> 00:31:34.599
<v Speaker 4>I want to boost my stock. I want to come back. No,

564
00:31:34.799 --> 00:31:36.559
<v Speaker 4>he said, I want to come back, be the leader,

565
00:31:36.680 --> 00:31:39.279
<v Speaker 4>win a national championship. And he brought up the stock

566
00:31:39.359 --> 00:31:42.799
<v Speaker 4>later on. So I thought that was really interesting and probably,

567
00:31:43.039 --> 00:31:45.119
<v Speaker 4>like I said, music to Sans Eers.

568
00:31:45.519 --> 00:31:48.279
<v Speaker 3>You know what was interesting as well to me was

569
00:31:48.359 --> 00:31:52.440
<v Speaker 3>that when when somebody asked him specifically about his game,

570
00:31:53.160 --> 00:31:58.079
<v Speaker 3>he mentioned three point shooting and I thought, exactly not

571
00:31:58.079 --> 00:32:00.279
<v Speaker 3>not accuracy. He said, they like, they liked the way

572
00:32:00.279 --> 00:32:03.359
<v Speaker 3>I shoot it, but they want to see more. And

573
00:32:03.400 --> 00:32:05.440
<v Speaker 3>I thought, well, okay, you know that you're in the

574
00:32:05.519 --> 00:32:06.559
<v Speaker 3>right place, right.

575
00:32:07.319 --> 00:32:08.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's for sure.

576
00:32:08.680 --> 00:32:11.200
<v Speaker 4>And he brought it up too that Kentucky did not

577
00:32:11.279 --> 00:32:14.000
<v Speaker 4>take as many threes as they wanted to last year.

578
00:32:14.079 --> 00:32:15.440
<v Speaker 1>The goal is thirty five a game.

579
00:32:15.960 --> 00:32:18.839
<v Speaker 4>They were at twenty five a game, even Dyu. You

580
00:32:18.880 --> 00:32:21.880
<v Speaker 4>look at his mark post last year at YU they

581
00:32:21.920 --> 00:32:24.079
<v Speaker 4>finished second in the country in three attempts at thirty

582
00:32:24.119 --> 00:32:26.799
<v Speaker 4>two a game, So you're seven off from what they did.

583
00:32:27.000 --> 00:32:31.480
<v Speaker 4>So they didn't Obviously, the injuries and the roster, the

584
00:32:32.200 --> 00:32:35.640
<v Speaker 4>lineup shuffling with the injuries, had something to say about it,

585
00:32:35.680 --> 00:32:38.000
<v Speaker 4>but still they didn't want to shoot as many threties.

586
00:32:38.039 --> 00:32:40.079
<v Speaker 4>And you know take away, Yeah, I mean he did.

587
00:32:40.400 --> 00:32:42.319
<v Speaker 4>He's not wrong. I mean he shot thirty five point

588
00:32:42.319 --> 00:32:44.799
<v Speaker 4>five on ninety three attemts. That's not at all a

589
00:32:44.839 --> 00:32:47.839
<v Speaker 4>bad average. He shot, you know, thirty seven percent on

590
00:32:47.960 --> 00:32:51.160
<v Speaker 4>around sixty issue attempts at Oklahoma the year before, also

591
00:32:51.240 --> 00:32:53.880
<v Speaker 4>not a bad average. So yeah, you can definitely see

592
00:32:53.920 --> 00:32:55.640
<v Speaker 4>why they want to see the volume increase a little

593
00:32:55.640 --> 00:32:57.319
<v Speaker 4>bit because he's making them. And at the end of

594
00:32:57.359 --> 00:32:59.039
<v Speaker 4>the day, if you're making them, that's all the matters.

595
00:32:59.039 --> 00:33:01.640
<v Speaker 4>The hitch should look off and we could, we could

596
00:33:01.880 --> 00:33:04.680
<v Speaker 4>analyze it and criticize it all we want. If the

597
00:33:04.680 --> 00:33:07.559
<v Speaker 4>SHOT's going to go down, who cares. The NBA won't

598
00:33:07.599 --> 00:33:09.039
<v Speaker 4>care as long as he's making it.

599
00:33:09.400 --> 00:33:13.200
<v Speaker 3>The question I have and I will perpetually have, is

600
00:33:14.359 --> 00:33:18.680
<v Speaker 3>why do you seek thirty to thirty five threes? I

601
00:33:18.720 --> 00:33:21.079
<v Speaker 3>know the numbers, I know the arithmetic, I know the math.

602
00:33:21.559 --> 00:33:25.960
<v Speaker 3>But everybody knows this, including the other team. And you

603
00:33:26.000 --> 00:33:28.839
<v Speaker 3>saw teams, Aaron, you covered these games. Yeah, down the

604
00:33:28.880 --> 00:33:33.359
<v Speaker 3>stretch last year working their tails off on running Kentucky

605
00:33:33.440 --> 00:33:35.920
<v Speaker 3>off at one point. How does that work? You know

606
00:33:35.960 --> 00:33:36.359
<v Speaker 3>what I mean?

607
00:33:37.200 --> 00:33:39.720
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think there's some chest to it, Like I

608
00:33:39.799 --> 00:33:42.960
<v Speaker 4>don't think it. You saw Kentucky, you know, get creative

609
00:33:43.000 --> 00:33:44.599
<v Speaker 4>when they had to and get in the paint. Obviously

610
00:33:44.640 --> 00:33:46.319
<v Speaker 4>it's say, oh, it was really good in the paint.

611
00:33:46.920 --> 00:33:49.480
<v Speaker 4>Mary Williams was dominant that they're in the paint at

612
00:33:49.519 --> 00:33:51.240
<v Speaker 4>times last year. I mean I go back to that

613
00:33:51.599 --> 00:33:53.559
<v Speaker 4>game ahead against the Inner Belt where he was I

614
00:33:53.559 --> 00:33:55.480
<v Speaker 4>think six or six from the field and five for

615
00:33:55.599 --> 00:33:58.759
<v Speaker 4>five from the line and just dominating in the paint.

616
00:33:58.799 --> 00:34:01.240
<v Speaker 4>They could not slow them down all So, you know

617
00:34:01.400 --> 00:34:03.119
<v Speaker 4>they have they had different ways they could beat you

618
00:34:03.200 --> 00:34:06.119
<v Speaker 4>last year. But you know, they make it no secret

619
00:34:06.200 --> 00:34:09.119
<v Speaker 4>that they hope they can just the threes they hope.

620
00:34:09.119 --> 00:34:11.239
<v Speaker 4>I think a lot of that comes from, yeah, you

621
00:34:11.280 --> 00:34:15.119
<v Speaker 4>can if you have a slower possession, you can definitely

622
00:34:15.159 --> 00:34:17.679
<v Speaker 4>lock down the three point line. But Kentucky wants to

623
00:34:17.719 --> 00:34:19.400
<v Speaker 4>fly up and down the court, and they did not

624
00:34:19.480 --> 00:34:21.800
<v Speaker 4>go as fast as they wanted to last year with

625
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<v Speaker 4>Lamont Butler in and out of the lineup, with Jackson

626
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<v Speaker 4>Robinson being the guy who was most comfortable with it

627
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<v Speaker 4>out for the last month of the season, with Andrew

628
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<v Speaker 4>Carr's back injury, like they just could not go as

629
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<v Speaker 4>fast as they wanted to. They had to reinvent the

630
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<v Speaker 4>wheel a little bit. So I think their thought is, hey,

631
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<v Speaker 4>if we're at our best, you know, if we run

632
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<v Speaker 4>a gun, Yeah they can. They can stop the they

633
00:34:43.400 --> 00:34:45.119
<v Speaker 4>could hawk the three point line if we have a

634
00:34:45.159 --> 00:34:47.159
<v Speaker 4>slower possession, but they can if we get up and

635
00:34:47.159 --> 00:34:49.199
<v Speaker 4>down the court at warp speed. And that's kind of

636
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<v Speaker 4>what Alabama does right where. They were number one in

637
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<v Speaker 4>the country in temple last year, and I'm sure I

638
00:34:53.960 --> 00:34:56.000
<v Speaker 4>think they're I want to say it was the SEC

639
00:34:56.079 --> 00:34:59.000
<v Speaker 4>in three point attempts, but no one could catch up

640
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<v Speaker 4>to them to slow down.

641
00:35:00.039 --> 00:35:01.000
<v Speaker 1>The three point attempts.

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<v Speaker 4>So you know, if that if Kentucky runs at the

643
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<v Speaker 4>taste they want, I think that's the line of.

644
00:35:06.039 --> 00:35:06.480
<v Speaker 1>Thinking, man.

645
00:35:06.519 --> 00:35:10.599
<v Speaker 3>And what's fascinating though, is Florida wins the championship and

646
00:35:10.760 --> 00:35:14.960
<v Speaker 3>leans so much and maybe not primarily on size and

647
00:35:15.119 --> 00:35:18.400
<v Speaker 3>depth of the bigs, so more than one way to

648
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<v Speaker 3>get the job done.

649
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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, they had that Florida team. I think Kentucky, really,

650
00:35:23.199 --> 00:35:25.159
<v Speaker 4>if you've got Mark Mark, buff's never going to stay

651
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<v Speaker 4>out loud. But I think if you got and maybe

652
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<v Speaker 4>he would.

653
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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

654
00:35:27.639 --> 00:35:30.119
<v Speaker 4>He kind of says what's on his mind. But I

655
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<v Speaker 4>think if you were to ask him, Okay, what was

656
00:35:31.960 --> 00:35:34.320
<v Speaker 4>kind of a model. If there's a team you were

657
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<v Speaker 4>modeling your offseason playing after, who was it? I think

658
00:35:36.920 --> 00:35:41.079
<v Speaker 4>he would say Florida, because Florida just had depth everywhere. Yes,

659
00:35:41.159 --> 00:35:44.159
<v Speaker 4>in the front court, they had the five five capable

660
00:35:44.199 --> 00:35:45.679
<v Speaker 4>guys in the front court and they bring four of

661
00:35:45.719 --> 00:35:48.360
<v Speaker 4>them back this year, by the way. And then in

662
00:35:48.440 --> 00:35:50.599
<v Speaker 4>the back court they had four to five guys as well.

663
00:35:50.679 --> 00:35:53.559
<v Speaker 4>You know, obviously they had you know, the trio with Martin,

664
00:35:53.719 --> 00:35:57.159
<v Speaker 4>Clayton and Richard that got the headlines and Aberdeen as

665
00:35:57.199 --> 00:36:01.719
<v Speaker 4>the four man in that spot, but just loaded that

666
00:36:01.800 --> 00:36:06.639
<v Speaker 4>whole roster and Kentucky that's kind of how this roster feels.

667
00:36:06.679 --> 00:36:08.480
<v Speaker 4>I'm not saying they're gonna be as good or have

668
00:36:08.599 --> 00:36:11.280
<v Speaker 4>the same season Florida had, but I think that's exactly

669
00:36:11.639 --> 00:36:13.760
<v Speaker 4>what they wanted to model. If you go look at

670
00:36:13.960 --> 00:36:16.880
<v Speaker 4>their front court, they have several capable players. You look

671
00:36:16.920 --> 00:36:20.400
<v Speaker 4>at the fourth spot, several capable players, the three spot,

672
00:36:20.639 --> 00:36:23.599
<v Speaker 4>you know with Cam Williams, there a backup, you know

673
00:36:23.960 --> 00:36:27.039
<v Speaker 4>to Otega. Maybe if Otega's not playing the two. I mean,

674
00:36:27.039 --> 00:36:29.400
<v Speaker 4>they just they have so many different ways they can

675
00:36:29.440 --> 00:36:31.400
<v Speaker 4>beat you. And I really think he looked at what

676
00:36:31.440 --> 00:36:34.239
<v Speaker 4>Florida did and it's like, well that that seemed to

677
00:36:34.280 --> 00:36:36.079
<v Speaker 4>work pretty well. Let's try to replicate that.

678
00:36:36.880 --> 00:36:39.000
<v Speaker 3>Speaking of bigs, we've only got a couple of minutes slept.

679
00:36:39.039 --> 00:36:40.679
<v Speaker 3>And I know you also talked, as we all did,

680
00:36:40.679 --> 00:36:44.840
<v Speaker 3>to Brandon Garrison, who seems excited to get the year

681
00:36:44.920 --> 00:36:48.280
<v Speaker 3>number two, carry a bigger load what he learned from

682
00:36:48.280 --> 00:36:52.320
<v Speaker 3>Amari Williams, and he's comfortable with being a leader, or

683
00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:54.000
<v Speaker 3>at least the thought of being a leader this year.

684
00:36:54.039 --> 00:36:54.559
<v Speaker 3>Did you get that?

685
00:36:55.719 --> 00:36:58.000
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, for sure, I mean, and it was interesting. He

686
00:36:58.159 --> 00:37:01.320
<v Speaker 4>definitely was more of You could hear it just from

687
00:37:01.360 --> 00:37:05.039
<v Speaker 4>being near the court during the postseason, and you know,

688
00:37:05.119 --> 00:37:07.239
<v Speaker 4>he was definitely more vocal by those by the end

689
00:37:07.239 --> 00:37:09.599
<v Speaker 4>of last year, like he was starting to take that

690
00:37:09.679 --> 00:37:12.199
<v Speaker 4>leadership role on with all the injuries they had. He

691
00:37:12.280 --> 00:37:16.480
<v Speaker 4>was very, very emotional in Norman against Oklahoma. And you

692
00:37:16.519 --> 00:37:19.360
<v Speaker 4>know Mark Tope saw that story afraid it was right

693
00:37:19.400 --> 00:37:21.519
<v Speaker 4>after the gam Wars and Express conference, how he wanted

694
00:37:21.519 --> 00:37:23.440
<v Speaker 4>to break the team down and kind of be the

695
00:37:23.519 --> 00:37:25.960
<v Speaker 4>leader that day and he took that. So, you know,

696
00:37:26.000 --> 00:37:28.199
<v Speaker 4>I think building on that and bringing that into this

697
00:37:28.239 --> 00:37:30.320
<v Speaker 4>year will be big. And you know, I asked him

698
00:37:30.320 --> 00:37:34.239
<v Speaker 4>about you know, obviously the Amari Williams relationship was kind

699
00:37:34.239 --> 00:37:36.239
<v Speaker 4>of like a big brother little brother thing last year

700
00:37:36.480 --> 00:37:39.119
<v Speaker 4>and he has a chance. It's so the strike the

701
00:37:39.159 --> 00:37:43.760
<v Speaker 4>similarities between you know, Quainton's obviously this guy is going

702
00:37:43.840 --> 00:37:46.119
<v Speaker 4>to have an NBA career Between the two, but the

703
00:37:46.159 --> 00:37:49.199
<v Speaker 4>similarities between the two are kind of startling. Where they

704
00:37:49.199 --> 00:37:51.960
<v Speaker 4>both come from the Big twelve, their year removed from

705
00:37:52.000 --> 00:37:56.239
<v Speaker 4>being McDonald's all Americans, they probably felt like, well, Quainton's

706
00:37:56.239 --> 00:37:56.719
<v Speaker 4>couldn't be.

707
00:37:56.840 --> 00:37:58.079
<v Speaker 1>But both of them.

708
00:37:57.880 --> 00:38:01.039
<v Speaker 4>Probably like we're one and done talent, like we're going

709
00:38:01.039 --> 00:38:02.320
<v Speaker 4>into our second year of college.

710
00:38:02.320 --> 00:38:02.920
<v Speaker 1>What's next?

711
00:38:02.960 --> 00:38:07.199
<v Speaker 4>And you know, it's very interesting how similar their backgrounds are.

712
00:38:07.639 --> 00:38:10.199
<v Speaker 4>And Brandon gets to use what he learned from Amari

713
00:38:10.280 --> 00:38:12.880
<v Speaker 4>Williams to kind of be that same big brother figure

714
00:38:12.880 --> 00:38:14.920
<v Speaker 4>to Gaben Quaintons, and you know, he gave a pretty

715
00:38:14.920 --> 00:38:17.000
<v Speaker 4>good answer on that as well. So I think it's

716
00:38:17.000 --> 00:38:20.159
<v Speaker 4>a really interesting dynamic that you know, his experiences from

717
00:38:20.239 --> 00:38:22.519
<v Speaker 4>Rocky should kind of step.

718
00:38:22.280 --> 00:38:23.159
<v Speaker 1>Into that Amari role.

719
00:38:23.199 --> 00:38:24.559
<v Speaker 4>I don't know if he's gonna be as good as

720
00:38:24.559 --> 00:38:27.280
<v Speaker 4>a Marii, but he could definitely bring some of that

721
00:38:27.360 --> 00:38:28.199
<v Speaker 4>leadership stuff.

722
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<v Speaker 3>He is Aaron Gershawan. He is the beat writer for

723
00:38:31.239 --> 00:38:34.400
<v Speaker 3>the cast. Bass covers baseball, football, and basketball. We talk

724
00:38:34.440 --> 00:38:37.159
<v Speaker 3>with him every week. Thank you, sir anytime, and you

725
00:38:37.199 --> 00:38:39.719
<v Speaker 3>can follow him on Twitter or x if you like.

726
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<v Speaker 3>At A gershawn g E R s h O N

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<v Speaker 3>ninety nine A Gershan ninety nine. Coming up in hour

728
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<v Speaker 3>number two is the Unforgettable Guard Sean Woods. We'll talk

729
00:38:50.920 --> 00:38:54.400
<v Speaker 3>about rule changes in college basketball. He played and coached

730
00:38:54.440 --> 00:38:57.599
<v Speaker 3>college b ball and Western Beer chief Gary Moore here

731
00:38:57.639 --> 00:38:59.199
<v Speaker 3>on six thirty w LAP.

732
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<v Speaker 5>Then any such such tact taping.

733
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<v Speaker 1>The show.

734
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<v Speaker 5>Can anything, then.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome back to the Big One. Sader joining us as

736
00:40:55.760 --> 00:40:58.519
<v Speaker 3>he does each and every Wednesday, is the Unforgettable Guard.

737
00:40:58.599 --> 00:41:01.599
<v Speaker 3>Shawn Woods is Jersey and the Rafters of RUP. It

738
00:41:01.719 --> 00:41:05.000
<v Speaker 3>was a wildcat back late eighties early nineties. Much has

739
00:41:05.119 --> 00:41:07.039
<v Speaker 3>changed coach since and and by the way, he is

740
00:41:07.079 --> 00:41:10.239
<v Speaker 3>the head coach now at Scott County High So much

741
00:41:10.280 --> 00:41:13.639
<v Speaker 3>has changed since you played. You might look like a youngster,

742
00:41:13.840 --> 00:41:17.199
<v Speaker 3>but you know the years have gone by. The NA

743
00:41:17.400 --> 00:41:19.960
<v Speaker 3>Playing Rules Oversight Panel I talked about it earlier in

744
00:41:20.039 --> 00:41:24.599
<v Speaker 3>the show. They are proposing changes expected to enhance the

745
00:41:24.760 --> 00:41:29.960
<v Speaker 3>flow of men's college basketball, including coaches challenges to review

746
00:41:30.000 --> 00:41:33.920
<v Speaker 3>out abound calls and goaltending or basketing interference and things

747
00:41:34.039 --> 00:41:38.440
<v Speaker 3>like that, rules on the continuous motion on shot attempt

748
00:41:38.440 --> 00:41:41.880
<v Speaker 3>stuff like that. As a guy who has coached at

749
00:41:41.960 --> 00:41:44.920
<v Speaker 3>the D one level, I got to think you welcome that,

750
00:41:45.079 --> 00:41:45.519
<v Speaker 3>am I right?

751
00:41:47.599 --> 00:41:52.639
<v Speaker 1>I welcome it, Dick. But you know, just like everybody

752
00:41:52.760 --> 00:41:59.199
<v Speaker 1>else we're looking to we're trying to manufacture the game

753
00:41:59.280 --> 00:42:03.400
<v Speaker 1>of basketball on too much anymore. You know, we're trying

754
00:42:03.440 --> 00:42:07.280
<v Speaker 1>to control it and create the pace instead of just

755
00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:09.719
<v Speaker 1>letting everything be natural, you know what I mean. I

756
00:42:09.760 --> 00:42:13.440
<v Speaker 1>think we're putting too much emphasis with referees to where

757
00:42:13.480 --> 00:42:16.719
<v Speaker 1>they're controlling the game too much. It's almost like, you know,

758
00:42:18.000 --> 00:42:22.880
<v Speaker 1>you have human talent and it's it's governed and refereed

759
00:42:23.039 --> 00:42:26.320
<v Speaker 1>by humans, right, so you can't you know, so you

760
00:42:26.440 --> 00:42:31.559
<v Speaker 1>got to let humans make human decisions instead of you know,

761
00:42:31.800 --> 00:42:36.559
<v Speaker 1>overseeing everything going to a monitor or changing the way

762
00:42:37.199 --> 00:42:41.239
<v Speaker 1>referees rep the game. You know, when they've been referend

763
00:42:41.320 --> 00:42:44.159
<v Speaker 1>this a certain way for so many for so long,

764
00:42:44.840 --> 00:42:49.199
<v Speaker 1>and now you're allowing more mistakes to come into play

765
00:42:49.400 --> 00:42:53.079
<v Speaker 1>because this is not a natural reaction or natural thing

766
00:42:53.199 --> 00:42:56.840
<v Speaker 1>that they've been doing their whole refereeing career. So now

767
00:42:57.280 --> 00:43:00.880
<v Speaker 1>now there's going to be mistakes there, Coaches gonna try

768
00:43:00.920 --> 00:43:04.440
<v Speaker 1>to gonna be mad because you know, referees aren't used

769
00:43:04.440 --> 00:43:09.239
<v Speaker 1>to this, so that you're allowing more mistakes. Okay, Now

770
00:43:09.360 --> 00:43:11.920
<v Speaker 1>everything's going to a monitor where you might as well

771
00:43:12.000 --> 00:43:14.440
<v Speaker 1>just throw the referees out of the game, take them

772
00:43:14.480 --> 00:43:17.519
<v Speaker 1>to throw them out, and just feel and and and

773
00:43:17.679 --> 00:43:19.920
<v Speaker 1>call your own foules. Then if you call a wrong

774
00:43:20.039 --> 00:43:23.760
<v Speaker 1>foul and the other team challenges that go to the monitor.

775
00:43:25.079 --> 00:43:27.079
<v Speaker 1>You know that that that's what we're going to now,

776
00:43:27.280 --> 00:43:29.800
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean? And you know we we

777
00:43:29.920 --> 00:43:32.199
<v Speaker 1>we always saying you know that they're trying to take

778
00:43:32.280 --> 00:43:35.159
<v Speaker 1>great defense and physicality out of the game. Would flow

779
00:43:35.519 --> 00:43:38.920
<v Speaker 1>and freedom of movement? Well look at the NBA. Now

780
00:43:39.920 --> 00:43:43.239
<v Speaker 1>you know you and and and and you can't you

781
00:43:43.360 --> 00:43:48.440
<v Speaker 1>get punished for hustle toughness. You know that that that's

782
00:43:48.519 --> 00:43:52.519
<v Speaker 1>not even you know, legal anymore. You know, you know,

783
00:43:52.719 --> 00:43:55.440
<v Speaker 1>stopping a guy from from from getting to a spot, well,

784
00:43:55.840 --> 00:43:58.719
<v Speaker 1>that's the strategic part of playing defense. Not letting the

785
00:43:58.760 --> 00:44:00.840
<v Speaker 1>guy go to where he wants to go so they

786
00:44:00.920 --> 00:44:05.719
<v Speaker 1>can't score. You know, So when is it going to end?

787
00:44:05.920 --> 00:44:09.760
<v Speaker 1>You know, Uh, you're gonna give like now, you're gonna

788
00:44:09.800 --> 00:44:12.199
<v Speaker 1>give oas you know what I mean by that. Just

789
00:44:12.320 --> 00:44:15.079
<v Speaker 1>open up and let guys go and not form a

790
00:44:15.239 --> 00:44:17.400
<v Speaker 1>sense of wall to not let them go and and

791
00:44:17.559 --> 00:44:20.880
<v Speaker 1>and and be and do wherever and whenever they want

792
00:44:20.920 --> 00:44:24.159
<v Speaker 1>to go. I mean, that's that's not basketball. That's not competitiveness.

793
00:44:24.679 --> 00:44:27.800
<v Speaker 1>That's just you know, and you're thinking that's helping the game.

794
00:44:27.880 --> 00:44:32.760
<v Speaker 1>You're thinking that's you know, creating more awareness and and

795
00:44:32.920 --> 00:44:36.760
<v Speaker 1>and and attendiveness to the game of basketball. No, the

796
00:44:36.840 --> 00:44:39.119
<v Speaker 1>reason why the game of basketball, especially in the NBA,

797
00:44:39.280 --> 00:44:43.679
<v Speaker 1>is going down is because there there's no more passing.

798
00:44:44.280 --> 00:44:46.440
<v Speaker 1>One guy is drilling the air out of the ball.

799
00:44:47.039 --> 00:44:52.599
<v Speaker 1>You know, you can't be physical, you can't play defense.

800
00:44:52.719 --> 00:44:55.159
<v Speaker 1>You know that that that's the reason why the game

801
00:44:55.280 --> 00:44:57.639
<v Speaker 1>is changing and people don't want to watch anymore. But

802
00:44:57.800 --> 00:45:00.599
<v Speaker 1>don't kill the purity of high school and college basketball

803
00:45:00.679 --> 00:45:04.079
<v Speaker 1>by doing all this, because you know, the game is

804
00:45:04.199 --> 00:45:06.360
<v Speaker 1>good where it is. The only problem with the game

805
00:45:06.480 --> 00:45:09.679
<v Speaker 1>now is the transfer potal and how much money is involved.

806
00:45:09.960 --> 00:45:12.159
<v Speaker 1>And guys trying to get to it from the NBA,

807
00:45:12.880 --> 00:45:16.800
<v Speaker 1>but not the rules. You know, every year you want

808
00:45:16.840 --> 00:45:19.800
<v Speaker 1>to change the rules and reinvent the will no, let

809
00:45:19.840 --> 00:45:22.159
<v Speaker 1>the game of basketball be what it always has been,

810
00:45:22.960 --> 00:45:27.599
<v Speaker 1>you know, and stop trying to be so idealistic and

811
00:45:27.800 --> 00:45:30.320
<v Speaker 1>changing every year of how we do this and how

812
00:45:30.360 --> 00:45:33.199
<v Speaker 1>we do that, thinking it's making the game better. Fans

813
00:45:33.239 --> 00:45:36.920
<v Speaker 1>aren't complaining about the game, you know, coaches really not

814
00:45:37.039 --> 00:45:41.599
<v Speaker 1>complaining about the game. But you're you're trying to put

815
00:45:41.719 --> 00:45:44.519
<v Speaker 1>so much in it, so now you're confusing referees and

816
00:45:44.599 --> 00:45:46.719
<v Speaker 1>now they don't know how to ref and govern the game,

817
00:45:47.239 --> 00:45:49.119
<v Speaker 1>which allows more mistakes to happen.

818
00:45:49.280 --> 00:45:52.519
<v Speaker 3>You know, it's funny, that's the same complain about the

819
00:45:52.639 --> 00:45:56.000
<v Speaker 3>NFL now, is they let so much go because they

820
00:45:56.079 --> 00:45:58.920
<v Speaker 3>can go back and fix it on review, which by

821
00:45:59.000 --> 00:46:02.920
<v Speaker 3>default slow down the flow of the game, no doubt

822
00:46:02.920 --> 00:46:03.280
<v Speaker 3>about it.

823
00:46:03.360 --> 00:46:05.480
<v Speaker 1>I mean, look at the last five minutes of a

824
00:46:05.559 --> 00:46:10.199
<v Speaker 1>college basketball game. It takes an hour. Yeah, yeah, because

825
00:46:10.519 --> 00:46:14.239
<v Speaker 1>every every play is got to go to the monitor

826
00:46:14.320 --> 00:46:15.639
<v Speaker 1>to make sure you get it right, and then it

827
00:46:15.719 --> 00:46:19.559
<v Speaker 1>takes what three to four minutes at least to figure

828
00:46:19.639 --> 00:46:20.000
<v Speaker 1>that out.

829
00:46:20.800 --> 00:46:24.039
<v Speaker 3>So you know, the problem is the problem is, coach,

830
00:46:24.840 --> 00:46:27.119
<v Speaker 3>the toothpaste is out of the tube. They've already gone

831
00:46:27.159 --> 00:46:30.239
<v Speaker 3>to the video review. There have been mistakes that can

832
00:46:30.360 --> 00:46:34.159
<v Speaker 3>be rectified by that. Losses turn into wins, wins turn

833
00:46:34.199 --> 00:46:37.400
<v Speaker 3>into losses. So how do you move away from that?

834
00:46:37.440 --> 00:46:39.400
<v Speaker 3>How do you you know, can you do less of that?

835
00:46:39.599 --> 00:46:44.360
<v Speaker 3>Because anytime there's a mistake that's not reviewable, people are

836
00:46:44.360 --> 00:46:45.960
<v Speaker 3>going to be screaming. They ought to be looking at that.

837
00:46:46.039 --> 00:46:48.360
<v Speaker 3>They've got the technology, you know, why not you review this?

838
00:46:48.480 --> 00:46:51.079
<v Speaker 3>Why don't you review that? I feel like it's too late.

839
00:46:51.199 --> 00:46:56.119
<v Speaker 1>You know, it is too late, you know, And like

840
00:46:56.239 --> 00:46:59.599
<v Speaker 1>I said before, you know, referees have been you know,

841
00:47:00.079 --> 00:47:02.400
<v Speaker 1>blow a car here there since the beginning of the time,

842
00:47:02.559 --> 00:47:05.159
<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying, and you know, to try

843
00:47:05.199 --> 00:47:08.360
<v Speaker 1>to get everything right, slowing the thing down, making sure.

844
00:47:08.440 --> 00:47:09.800
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I know it's a lot of money, and

845
00:47:10.440 --> 00:47:13.679
<v Speaker 1>you know, guys are losing jobs because of winning, losses

846
00:47:13.800 --> 00:47:17.119
<v Speaker 1>and and everything. And you know, because here's the one

847
00:47:17.159 --> 00:47:20.599
<v Speaker 1>thing I can say now, referees got the best gig

848
00:47:20.679 --> 00:47:24.320
<v Speaker 1>in the business because at the end of every game,

849
00:47:24.440 --> 00:47:27.480
<v Speaker 1>no matter who wins or loses, they gonna drink their

850
00:47:27.519 --> 00:47:29.480
<v Speaker 1>beer after the game. They're gonna get on their plane.

851
00:47:29.519 --> 00:47:31.800
<v Speaker 1>They're gonna go to the next one and make that one.

852
00:47:31.920 --> 00:47:35.000
<v Speaker 1>While that's that coach Winna lose is gonna be sitting

853
00:47:35.039 --> 00:47:37.639
<v Speaker 1>there watching take miserable because he didn't do this and

854
00:47:37.760 --> 00:47:42.679
<v Speaker 1>do that. So that's that they get off too easy.

855
00:47:43.440 --> 00:47:48.519
<v Speaker 1>But then again, you're you're you're you're confusing them too.

856
00:47:48.880 --> 00:47:51.639
<v Speaker 1>You know, when they're going to these camps and doing

857
00:47:51.719 --> 00:47:54.840
<v Speaker 1>these clinics, doing these AU tournaments. You know, there's not

858
00:47:54.920 --> 00:47:57.639
<v Speaker 1>too many monitors there. They just got to get it right.

859
00:47:58.719 --> 00:48:01.400
<v Speaker 3>Well, I'll push back a little on behalf of well

860
00:48:01.440 --> 00:48:03.840
<v Speaker 3>from one thing my brother who's a referee. But uh,

861
00:48:04.000 --> 00:48:05.440
<v Speaker 3>and I've done it a little bit. Not at the

862
00:48:05.519 --> 00:48:09.199
<v Speaker 3>college level, of course, but those guys are held accountable

863
00:48:09.280 --> 00:48:13.480
<v Speaker 3>and women are held accountable by supervisors and they're fired

864
00:48:13.519 --> 00:48:15.880
<v Speaker 3>at the end of the year. It's not public, it's

865
00:48:15.960 --> 00:48:19.199
<v Speaker 3>not a headline press conference thing. But many of them

866
00:48:19.239 --> 00:48:22.880
<v Speaker 3>simply are not invited back. Uh, you know, so there.

867
00:48:23.239 --> 00:48:26.480
<v Speaker 3>I think there should be more accountability. Uh, there should be.

868
00:48:26.559 --> 00:48:28.320
<v Speaker 3>If there's a questionable call at the end of a game,

869
00:48:28.880 --> 00:48:31.480
<v Speaker 3>they should be forced to talk to a media representative

870
00:48:31.519 --> 00:48:33.719
<v Speaker 3>and not just give well that's the call we made.

871
00:48:33.760 --> 00:48:35.400
<v Speaker 3>And that's that. No, that's nonsense.

872
00:48:36.119 --> 00:48:36.239
<v Speaker 1>Uh.

873
00:48:36.480 --> 00:48:38.800
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, they're paid pretty good money to these days, too,

874
00:48:38.840 --> 00:48:39.199
<v Speaker 3>aren't they.

875
00:48:40.360 --> 00:48:43.360
<v Speaker 1>Yes, they are. I mean, you got referees making three

876
00:48:43.480 --> 00:48:45.199
<v Speaker 1>or four thousand dollars a game. Yeah, you know what

877
00:48:45.239 --> 00:48:47.440
<v Speaker 1>I mean they're doing. You know that, that's the sick

878
00:48:48.079 --> 00:48:51.639
<v Speaker 1>Most referees at that level are hot, six figure guys.

879
00:48:52.280 --> 00:48:54.639
<v Speaker 1>And they got other jobs besides that. Most of them

880
00:48:54.639 --> 00:48:59.320
<v Speaker 1>are attorneys or whatever. You know. But yeah, they get

881
00:48:59.360 --> 00:49:01.639
<v Speaker 1>to go home and and and no worries, you know

882
00:49:01.679 --> 00:49:05.400
<v Speaker 1>what I mean, from no scrutiny, you know, if they

883
00:49:05.480 --> 00:49:10.199
<v Speaker 1>make it back call. Yeah, yeah, they scrutiny from there.

884
00:49:11.360 --> 00:49:15.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but not like you do. Yeah no, well, actually

885
00:49:16.000 --> 00:49:18.599
<v Speaker 3>that's not true. They get holy hell from fans.

886
00:49:19.360 --> 00:49:20.840
<v Speaker 1>Uh but yeah, that's.

887
00:49:22.199 --> 00:49:22.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

888
00:49:22.440 --> 00:49:25.039
<v Speaker 1>But then a coach, But then a coach gets reprimand

889
00:49:25.159 --> 00:49:28.119
<v Speaker 1>to make a comment about a referee, right, you know,

890
00:49:28.280 --> 00:49:28.559
<v Speaker 1>come on.

891
00:49:28.800 --> 00:49:31.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I got you, all right. There is also more

892
00:49:31.360 --> 00:49:34.679
<v Speaker 3>going on, of course, with the House settlement. I talked

893
00:49:34.719 --> 00:49:37.199
<v Speaker 3>earlier about some comments by Jay Billis and the NAL.

894
00:49:37.280 --> 00:49:39.360
<v Speaker 3>Sean and I have spent a lot of time talking

895
00:49:39.400 --> 00:49:41.039
<v Speaker 3>about that, and we will talk about that on the

896
00:49:41.079 --> 00:49:43.239
<v Speaker 3>other side of the break here on six thirty w

897
00:49:43.519 --> 00:49:45.760
<v Speaker 3>l A. P. Welcome back to the Big bluon Sider.

898
00:49:45.800 --> 00:49:49.000
<v Speaker 3>We're talking to Sean Woods, the unforgettable guard. His jersey

899
00:49:49.079 --> 00:49:50.760
<v Speaker 3>hangs in the rafters of rupp. He is the head

900
00:49:50.800 --> 00:49:53.400
<v Speaker 3>coach at Scott County High School, but also a veteran

901
00:49:53.440 --> 00:49:57.199
<v Speaker 3>of D one basketball. And since you and I chatted last,

902
00:49:57.320 --> 00:50:00.840
<v Speaker 3>the news was breaking about the house settlement and now

903
00:50:00.920 --> 00:50:04.119
<v Speaker 3>the new salary cap. Jay Billis has weighed in as

904
00:50:04.159 --> 00:50:09.679
<v Speaker 3>he often does, and he believes that the nil will

905
00:50:09.719 --> 00:50:12.880
<v Speaker 3>bring about, you know, the money that goes to the

906
00:50:12.960 --> 00:50:15.960
<v Speaker 3>athletes in a regular basis. Most athletes, they're not all

907
00:50:16.000 --> 00:50:19.280
<v Speaker 3>going to get it, but there will be essentially contracts

908
00:50:19.320 --> 00:50:24.119
<v Speaker 3>in place, and he believes that will severely limit the

909
00:50:24.320 --> 00:50:28.559
<v Speaker 3>amount of movement by these players. I know all these

910
00:50:28.639 --> 00:50:31.320
<v Speaker 3>rules are so new right now, Sean, but does that

911
00:50:31.440 --> 00:50:32.719
<v Speaker 3>give you cost for optimism?

912
00:50:33.920 --> 00:50:37.679
<v Speaker 1>It does, because now you're starting to put rules and

913
00:50:37.760 --> 00:50:43.639
<v Speaker 1>regulations and stipulations into these situations. Now. I mean, first

914
00:50:43.679 --> 00:50:46.639
<v Speaker 1>of all, it was just straight money, no contractual situations,

915
00:50:46.719 --> 00:50:50.800
<v Speaker 1>so nothing that's right now. Since now since we it's

916
00:50:50.880 --> 00:50:54.599
<v Speaker 1>not amateur anymore, it's professionalism. Whenever you start to get paid,

917
00:50:57.119 --> 00:50:59.000
<v Speaker 1>it's got to be some type of contractual. You know,

918
00:50:59.000 --> 00:51:01.960
<v Speaker 1>there's got to be some some things in there to

919
00:51:02.119 --> 00:51:07.320
<v Speaker 1>protect the school and to protect the student athlete too,

920
00:51:07.639 --> 00:51:09.679
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. And it's got to be

921
00:51:09.800 --> 00:51:11.920
<v Speaker 1>something in it when you when you're under a contract,

922
00:51:12.000 --> 00:51:16.079
<v Speaker 1>now everything is guaranteed. So these things hadn't been guaranteed.

923
00:51:16.119 --> 00:51:18.559
<v Speaker 1>That's why a lot of kids it's not been said,

924
00:51:18.599 --> 00:51:21.199
<v Speaker 1>but there's a lot of kids around the country who

925
00:51:21.480 --> 00:51:23.800
<v Speaker 1>are going to schools thinking that they're getting their nil

926
00:51:23.880 --> 00:51:25.440
<v Speaker 1>money and a lot of them aren't getting it at

927
00:51:25.440 --> 00:51:29.320
<v Speaker 1>the end of the day. So now it's holding the schools,

928
00:51:29.360 --> 00:51:33.239
<v Speaker 1>the institutions accountable, and also it's holding the kid accountable

929
00:51:33.320 --> 00:51:36.719
<v Speaker 1>because now you got to be you know, if you

930
00:51:36.800 --> 00:51:38.400
<v Speaker 1>miss class, you know what I'm saying, you need to

931
00:51:38.440 --> 00:51:42.440
<v Speaker 1>be docked. If you know it can to be. Can

932
00:51:42.519 --> 00:51:44.400
<v Speaker 1>you make it a situation where it's got to be

933
00:51:44.440 --> 00:51:48.440
<v Speaker 1>a two year deal and the only way you can

934
00:51:48.519 --> 00:51:49.559
<v Speaker 1>break it there's.

935
00:51:49.400 --> 00:51:51.360
<v Speaker 3>A buyout, yes exactly.

936
00:51:51.440 --> 00:51:55.159
<v Speaker 1>You know. Yeah, so you know what if you know,

937
00:51:55.880 --> 00:51:58.199
<v Speaker 1>because the thing is coaches like, well, what if we

938
00:51:58.239 --> 00:52:00.239
<v Speaker 1>don't want the kid to come back? Well, here's the hill.

939
00:52:00.679 --> 00:52:02.880
<v Speaker 1>There was a runoff. There's always been a runoff rule.

940
00:52:02.920 --> 00:52:07.000
<v Speaker 1>In n C two A. Now it's not it's skill

941
00:52:07.039 --> 00:52:09.960
<v Speaker 1>in the bylaws, but nobody's nobody's talking about it anymore.

942
00:52:10.039 --> 00:52:10.519
<v Speaker 3>What do you mean?

943
00:52:10.840 --> 00:52:14.880
<v Speaker 1>What what rule a runoff rule to where you can't

944
00:52:15.039 --> 00:52:18.639
<v Speaker 1>just can't just cut a kid anymore. You remember how

945
00:52:18.719 --> 00:52:22.360
<v Speaker 1>it used to be you had to have calls, You

946
00:52:22.440 --> 00:52:29.360
<v Speaker 1>had to have calls to not renew a kids scholarshipmore. Yes, yes,

947
00:52:30.840 --> 00:52:34.599
<v Speaker 1>you know. So you know from that standpoint, you got

948
00:52:34.719 --> 00:52:36.039
<v Speaker 1>to do it with the kid too, you know what

949
00:52:36.119 --> 00:52:39.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean. You know, if that kid leaves, you know

950
00:52:39.840 --> 00:52:41.639
<v Speaker 1>there's a buyout, you know, if you want to transfer

951
00:52:41.719 --> 00:52:43.079
<v Speaker 1>and you want to get more money. Just like a

952
00:52:43.159 --> 00:52:45.760
<v Speaker 1>coach got buyout in his contract. Kids got to have

953
00:52:45.800 --> 00:52:48.920
<v Speaker 1>buyouts in their contract. Yeah, you know. Kids got to

954
00:52:48.920 --> 00:52:52.199
<v Speaker 1>have rules and regulations on you know, going to class,

955
00:52:52.840 --> 00:52:56.079
<v Speaker 1>being laid, having a great attitude, being docked, just like

956
00:52:56.159 --> 00:52:58.559
<v Speaker 1>a pro. If you're we're paying these guys like pros.

957
00:52:58.880 --> 00:53:01.840
<v Speaker 1>Put in their contract there's stipulation that you got a

958
00:53:01.960 --> 00:53:04.199
<v Speaker 1>vibe by and if you don't a vibe by him,

959
00:53:04.239 --> 00:53:08.559
<v Speaker 1>either you getting dot a certain amount, okay, or that

960
00:53:08.719 --> 00:53:11.119
<v Speaker 1>contract can be voided. So all that's got to be

961
00:53:11.239 --> 00:53:14.119
<v Speaker 1>in your verbiage when you put these contracts together, and

962
00:53:14.239 --> 00:53:17.239
<v Speaker 1>if I'm back coaching, I'm putting everything in there, not

963
00:53:17.360 --> 00:53:21.079
<v Speaker 1>only to protect me, but to protect my institutions too.

964
00:53:22.000 --> 00:53:26.440
<v Speaker 1>So now it's going to be more control. And it

965
00:53:26.559 --> 00:53:29.880
<v Speaker 1>makes more sense because the last two three years has

966
00:53:29.920 --> 00:53:31.039
<v Speaker 1>been like the wild wild West.

967
00:53:31.119 --> 00:53:36.039
<v Speaker 3>Yes, and all of this player movement goes toward trying

968
00:53:36.159 --> 00:53:38.880
<v Speaker 3>to maintain and build culture. What some people say is

969
00:53:38.880 --> 00:53:41.679
<v Speaker 3>an overuse word now, but it's a good word within

970
00:53:42.159 --> 00:53:46.159
<v Speaker 3>college athletic programs. And you sent me a tweet from

971
00:53:46.280 --> 00:53:50.559
<v Speaker 3>barstool with the John Gruden Chucky who's staying in the

972
00:53:50.599 --> 00:53:53.000
<v Speaker 3>public eye while he tries to get another their head

973
00:53:53.000 --> 00:53:56.079
<v Speaker 3>coaching job. But his concern, and it's a good one,

974
00:53:56.480 --> 00:53:59.679
<v Speaker 3>and he's talking specifically about football, Sean, but you can

975
00:53:59.719 --> 00:54:02.760
<v Speaker 3>appay to any sport is how do you build culture

976
00:54:02.840 --> 00:54:06.400
<v Speaker 3>within your program? And I can't imagine what it would

977
00:54:06.400 --> 00:54:09.400
<v Speaker 3>be like for any coach at any level, high school, college, pro,

978
00:54:10.400 --> 00:54:15.079
<v Speaker 3>with so much traffic, Now, how do you instill that

979
00:54:15.239 --> 00:54:17.119
<v Speaker 3>in your players? And I know that's a main concern

980
00:54:17.199 --> 00:54:17.599
<v Speaker 3>of yours.

981
00:54:18.840 --> 00:54:22.760
<v Speaker 1>Oh, not trying to bring up a can of worms.

982
00:54:23.079 --> 00:54:25.360
<v Speaker 1>You know what's open up a can of worms? Our

983
00:54:25.400 --> 00:54:28.400
<v Speaker 1>football coach, our football coach is dealing with that right now,

984
00:54:28.519 --> 00:54:29.840
<v Speaker 1>and I'm looking I'm just looking at.

985
00:54:29.760 --> 00:54:30.880
<v Speaker 3>It from a far doubt.

986
00:54:30.960 --> 00:54:34.599
<v Speaker 1>He's being realistic and nobody else is being realistic. Okay,

987
00:54:36.039 --> 00:54:38.760
<v Speaker 1>if you ain't got the funds. Okay, First of all,

988
00:54:38.880 --> 00:54:44.039
<v Speaker 1>Kentucky has always been seventh or eighth as far as recruiting.

989
00:54:44.079 --> 00:54:46.360
<v Speaker 1>You're not gonna out You're not going to out recruit Alabama.

990
00:54:46.400 --> 00:54:48.079
<v Speaker 1>You're not going to out recruit Florida. You're not going

991
00:54:48.159 --> 00:54:50.079
<v Speaker 1>to out recruit some of these schools in the SEC.

992
00:54:50.320 --> 00:54:54.000
<v Speaker 1>You're not We've never had, right. Okay, Now, you throw

993
00:54:54.119 --> 00:54:57.400
<v Speaker 1>money into the situation. Okay, now it sets them that

994
00:54:57.559 --> 00:55:01.000
<v Speaker 1>far back. Now you throw Texas in here, Oklahoma in here.

995
00:55:01.480 --> 00:55:03.119
<v Speaker 1>You know what I'm saying. Now, that sets you back

996
00:55:03.119 --> 00:55:05.519
<v Speaker 1>because Kentucky has never been that on a regular basis

997
00:55:05.519 --> 00:55:09.000
<v Speaker 1>as far as football is concerned. Okay, So he's just

998
00:55:09.119 --> 00:55:12.639
<v Speaker 1>being realistic on how we can overcome this. I'm sure

999
00:55:13.079 --> 00:55:16.320
<v Speaker 1>Mark Steups did not want Oklahoma and Texas to come

1000
00:55:16.360 --> 00:55:20.559
<v Speaker 1>into the SEC. If I'm a coach, I don't want

1001
00:55:20.599 --> 00:55:22.039
<v Speaker 1>all those teams. That's just like when I was in

1002
00:55:22.079 --> 00:55:25.159
<v Speaker 1>the OBC. They brought Belmont and a couple of others

1003
00:55:25.239 --> 00:55:28.360
<v Speaker 1>in the OBC, and that was that wasn't cool, you

1004
00:55:28.400 --> 00:55:31.559
<v Speaker 1>know what I'm saying. And it's set more head back

1005
00:55:31.599 --> 00:55:36.039
<v Speaker 1>a little bit. But same in football, same in athletics period,

1006
00:55:36.239 --> 00:55:38.639
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. So how can you create

1007
00:55:38.840 --> 00:55:42.719
<v Speaker 1>culture when these kids are up and running every other year?

1008
00:55:42.800 --> 00:55:47.440
<v Speaker 1>It's impossible, exactly. You know, Florida has always been a

1009
00:55:47.559 --> 00:55:50.159
<v Speaker 1>main stand in SEC. Florida took a back seat the

1010
00:55:50.199 --> 00:55:53.480
<v Speaker 1>last years, you know what I mean. So this thing

1011
00:55:53.639 --> 00:55:57.880
<v Speaker 1>is is affecting all schools. It's affecting every coach.

1012
00:55:59.719 --> 00:56:02.800
<v Speaker 3>Walked the way of all people. Nick Shaven walked away.

1013
00:56:04.480 --> 00:56:07.159
<v Speaker 1>LSU. I was down there, I lived down there five years.

1014
00:56:07.480 --> 00:56:09.639
<v Speaker 1>How can that be a consistent situation when you got

1015
00:56:09.679 --> 00:56:13.280
<v Speaker 1>guys coming in and leaving all because of the almighty dollar.

1016
00:56:13.800 --> 00:56:16.519
<v Speaker 1>No one is going to on a consistent base. Connecticut

1017
00:56:16.599 --> 00:56:20.519
<v Speaker 1>had a run okay in basketball for two years now evenmore.

1018
00:56:22.119 --> 00:56:24.800
<v Speaker 1>You don't think that runs over? Really, that run is

1019
00:56:24.920 --> 00:56:27.920
<v Speaker 1>over the way that from a dominating standpoint of owning

1020
00:56:28.000 --> 00:56:31.400
<v Speaker 1>the Big East and get to get to the NCAA

1021
00:56:31.480 --> 00:56:37.239
<v Speaker 1>tournament every single year. Now, how can you because the

1022
00:56:37.599 --> 00:56:42.079
<v Speaker 1>force of his will, well, he's gonna give you everything

1023
00:56:42.159 --> 00:56:45.440
<v Speaker 1>he's got but guess what, his job is getting more complicated,

1024
00:56:45.639 --> 00:56:47.639
<v Speaker 1>just like everybody else is too because of the way

1025
00:56:47.679 --> 00:56:51.159
<v Speaker 1>things are. You know, you can't, you can't. You know,

1026
00:56:51.800 --> 00:56:55.280
<v Speaker 1>Mark Pope is are we better this year? We don't know.

1027
00:56:55.880 --> 00:56:59.239
<v Speaker 1>We know he's got more some more players, you know

1028
00:56:59.280 --> 00:57:02.320
<v Speaker 1>what I'm saying. Everybody's getting more players. But they're all different,

1029
00:57:02.400 --> 00:57:04.880
<v Speaker 1>they're all new. Everybody's going through the same thing again.

1030
00:57:06.000 --> 00:57:10.000
<v Speaker 3>And you worked, you worked in South Texas for a while. Uh.

1031
00:57:10.159 --> 00:57:12.599
<v Speaker 3>And one of the great examples of just this, this

1032
00:57:12.719 --> 00:57:16.079
<v Speaker 3>whole situation going nuts and going bust, it's Texas A

1033
00:57:16.159 --> 00:57:18.519
<v Speaker 3>and M. You know, they went out and bought that

1034
00:57:18.719 --> 00:57:23.119
<v Speaker 3>huge recruiting class and boy Saban raised a red flag

1035
00:57:23.159 --> 00:57:24.920
<v Speaker 3>and everybody gave him hell for and he backed away

1036
00:57:24.960 --> 00:57:27.519
<v Speaker 3>from But uh, you know, Jim Bow's gone, and A

1037
00:57:27.639 --> 00:57:29.239
<v Speaker 3>and M went eight and five last year.

1038
00:57:29.320 --> 00:57:29.719
<v Speaker 1>A and M.

1039
00:57:30.159 --> 00:57:33.280
<v Speaker 3>You know what kind of money those Texas schools have.

1040
00:57:34.599 --> 00:57:37.079
<v Speaker 1>But and M may be the richest school in all

1041
00:57:37.079 --> 00:57:40.480
<v Speaker 1>of college sports, maybe, And they can't get over the

1042
00:57:40.599 --> 00:57:44.039
<v Speaker 1>Hull being a national powels. When's last time and M

1043
00:57:44.079 --> 00:57:46.280
<v Speaker 1>played for a national championship in any sport?

1044
00:57:47.159 --> 00:57:47.760
<v Speaker 3>It's been a while.

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00:57:47.840 --> 00:57:50.280
<v Speaker 1>They may have the richest. They may they may be

1046
00:57:50.400 --> 00:57:53.199
<v Speaker 1>they may have the richest athletic program for one of

1047
00:57:53.239 --> 00:57:57.199
<v Speaker 1>the richest schools in America, or at least potentially.

1048
00:57:57.880 --> 00:58:01.800
<v Speaker 3>But here's the other thing that's crazy. Alabama last year

1049
00:58:02.400 --> 00:58:05.320
<v Speaker 3>spent two hundred and sixty two point eight million dollars

1050
00:58:05.599 --> 00:58:10.599
<v Speaker 3>on football alone and lost twenty eight million dollars. Now

1051
00:58:10.639 --> 00:58:12.360
<v Speaker 3>a lot of that was some of that was tied

1052
00:58:12.400 --> 00:58:15.159
<v Speaker 3>into the savings buyout, but that just tells you where

1053
00:58:15.159 --> 00:58:16.360
<v Speaker 3>the money is so insane.

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00:58:16.480 --> 00:58:21.000
<v Speaker 1>You know, it's about money now, it's not the purity

1055
00:58:21.079 --> 00:58:24.519
<v Speaker 1>of the game anymore. And that's what's becomes. That's what's sad, Dick,

1056
00:58:25.400 --> 00:58:29.559
<v Speaker 1>is Win's enough enough? When is it about purity of

1057
00:58:29.840 --> 00:58:34.480
<v Speaker 1>amateur athletics in college basketball or football or whatever? You know, Like,

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00:58:35.039 --> 00:58:40.639
<v Speaker 1>I've never watched softball. I watched almost every every every

1059
00:58:40.840 --> 00:58:44.360
<v Speaker 1>softball game in the NCAA tournament. Did you really yes?

1060
00:58:44.840 --> 00:58:45.079
<v Speaker 3>Wow?

1061
00:58:46.760 --> 00:58:50.440
<v Speaker 1>And because I'm looking at women who are just playing

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00:58:50.480 --> 00:58:55.039
<v Speaker 1>for the pure passion of being a softball player. Although

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00:58:55.320 --> 00:58:58.119
<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying any although they are getting paid, but

1064
00:58:58.280 --> 00:59:01.360
<v Speaker 1>just the mentality. Yeah, you know what I mean.

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00:59:01.480 --> 00:59:03.320
<v Speaker 3>But you did have a you'd have a picture of

1066
00:59:03.400 --> 00:59:07.480
<v Speaker 3>Texas Tech make a million dollars, But no doubt, that's uh,

1067
00:59:07.880 --> 00:59:12.000
<v Speaker 3>that's rare. That's that's the only picture who's made a

1068
00:59:12.079 --> 00:59:14.440
<v Speaker 3>million dollars in softball. But now I'm with you on that,

1069
00:59:15.800 --> 00:59:19.360
<v Speaker 3>and I'm glad baseball is finally going to get what

1070
00:59:19.519 --> 00:59:23.440
<v Speaker 3>it deserves. But for years, those of us who covered

1071
00:59:23.480 --> 00:59:26.280
<v Speaker 3>the sport were involved with it in any way, it

1072
00:59:26.400 --> 00:59:30.039
<v Speaker 3>was infuriating Sean that you had kids on the field

1073
00:59:30.239 --> 00:59:33.639
<v Speaker 3>at the college World Series who had to pay more

1074
00:59:33.920 --> 00:59:36.360
<v Speaker 3>to be there, or their parents had to pay for

1075
00:59:36.519 --> 00:59:41.199
<v Speaker 3>them to go to school. They've paid more than the

1076
00:59:41.280 --> 00:59:43.280
<v Speaker 3>people sitting in the stands who had to buy tickets.

1077
00:59:44.280 --> 00:59:46.199
<v Speaker 3>It costs the kid more to be at the World

1078
00:59:46.280 --> 00:59:49.519
<v Speaker 3>Series the than the fans. Yeah, at least some of

1079
00:59:49.559 --> 00:59:51.039
<v Speaker 3>that straining out of hope.

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00:59:51.000 --> 00:59:54.199
<v Speaker 1>Right, yes, yes, you have no doubt about it. It's

1081
00:59:54.360 --> 00:59:57.760
<v Speaker 1>just you know, I hope this works. I think it will.

1082
00:59:57.920 --> 01:00:00.719
<v Speaker 1>I think it's handing in the right direction. Uh that

1083
01:00:00.880 --> 01:00:05.280
<v Speaker 1>what came down the pipe. Just control it, Just control it. Yeah,

1084
01:00:05.800 --> 01:00:08.039
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's got to be some type of control.

1085
01:00:08.400 --> 01:00:11.239
<v Speaker 1>You know, you got eighteen nineteen year old kids who

1086
01:00:11.320 --> 01:00:16.280
<v Speaker 1>are becoming you know, who are generating generational wealth right

1087
01:00:16.320 --> 01:00:20.559
<v Speaker 1>out of high school. Yeah, you know, and it's it's

1088
01:00:21.239 --> 01:00:23.920
<v Speaker 1>and you got guys that won't would never make the NBA,

1089
01:00:24.280 --> 01:00:30.039
<v Speaker 1>never make the NBA, but are getting millions of dollars

1090
01:00:31.519 --> 01:00:34.400
<v Speaker 1>you know to play college athletics.

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01:00:34.519 --> 01:00:37.800
<v Speaker 3>Crazy coach as always a pleasure. We could go on

1092
01:00:37.840 --> 01:00:39.440
<v Speaker 3>all night, but I thank you for your time and

1093
01:00:39.480 --> 01:00:40.480
<v Speaker 3>we will chat again soon.

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01:00:41.519 --> 01:00:43.679
<v Speaker 1>All right, Dick, take care about it up next.

1095
01:00:43.719 --> 01:00:45.800
<v Speaker 3>West End Bureau Chief Gary Moore here on the Big

1096
01:00:45.880 --> 01:00:49.480
<v Speaker 3>Moon Sider six thirty WLAP. Welcome back to the Big

1097
01:00:49.559 --> 01:00:52.119
<v Speaker 3>Moon Sider. Joining us down. Our celebrity hotline is none

1098
01:00:52.159 --> 01:00:56.000
<v Speaker 3>other than our Western Chief Gary Moore. That's right, celebrity highline.

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01:00:56.480 --> 01:00:56.599
<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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01:00:56.719 --> 01:00:59.480
<v Speaker 3>He joins us every week from LA the Louisville area,

1101
01:00:59.599 --> 01:01:02.960
<v Speaker 3>after joining us for several years from Los Angeles. And again,

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01:01:03.039 --> 01:01:05.599
<v Speaker 3>the rule is why you're on the celebrity highline. You

1103
01:01:05.719 --> 01:01:08.159
<v Speaker 3>are a celebrity, so make the most of it. And

1104
01:01:08.239 --> 01:01:08.800
<v Speaker 3>you always do.

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01:01:09.920 --> 01:01:12.559
<v Speaker 6>Two guys in a six pack for what it's worth, Dick,

1106
01:01:12.599 --> 01:01:12.960
<v Speaker 6>here we go.

1107
01:01:13.239 --> 01:01:15.239
<v Speaker 7>You know, there is no guarantee.

1108
01:01:15.920 --> 01:01:17.639
<v Speaker 6>There was no guarantee when I was a bad boy

1109
01:01:17.719 --> 01:01:21.119
<v Speaker 6>at many Murray State games that one day I'd be

1110
01:01:21.320 --> 01:01:24.360
<v Speaker 6>on with the best sports host in America. You and

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01:01:24.639 --> 01:01:28.960
<v Speaker 6>say these words, Murray State is in the College World.

1112
01:01:28.840 --> 01:01:30.559
<v Speaker 7>Series, but you never know, you never know.

1113
01:01:31.320 --> 01:01:33.679
<v Speaker 6>And in the words of ex Laker Shaquille O'Neil, that

1114
01:01:33.760 --> 01:01:36.159
<v Speaker 6>still echo in my brain from that day when I was.

1115
01:01:36.159 --> 01:01:37.840
<v Speaker 7>Out there in LA.

1116
01:01:38.239 --> 01:01:43.000
<v Speaker 6>Can you dig it so I can hear the thinking

1117
01:01:43.079 --> 01:01:46.400
<v Speaker 6>already with some people in the sports world alleged know

1118
01:01:46.519 --> 01:01:50.440
<v Speaker 6>it all and maybe even a few cynical fans back home. Well,

1119
01:01:50.480 --> 01:01:52.880
<v Speaker 6>you know they won the conference, but you know they

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01:01:52.960 --> 01:01:55.960
<v Speaker 6>can't be Georgia Tech or especially Old Miss at Old

1121
01:01:56.039 --> 01:02:00.119
<v Speaker 6>Miss wrong then it was well, they surprised everybody, but

1122
01:02:00.280 --> 01:02:02.199
<v Speaker 6>you know, the magic's probably over. At Duke it was

1123
01:02:02.199 --> 01:02:06.440
<v Speaker 6>a nice wrong. Now they got to go beat UCLA,

1124
01:02:06.920 --> 01:02:11.000
<v Speaker 6>very doable. Then the winner if that happens, and I

1125
01:02:11.079 --> 01:02:14.440
<v Speaker 6>think it will, the winner of Arkansas and LSU, the

1126
01:02:14.519 --> 01:02:17.280
<v Speaker 6>two lone SEC teams remaining with the two best betting

1127
01:02:17.320 --> 01:02:19.679
<v Speaker 6>odds by the way to win it all. Murray and

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01:02:19.760 --> 01:02:23.000
<v Speaker 6>Louisville have the worst odds. But you know what, if

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01:02:23.039 --> 01:02:25.239
<v Speaker 6>I was a betting man putting money down, I would

1130
01:02:25.280 --> 01:02:28.039
<v Speaker 6>not bet against the racers. Not after this past week.

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01:02:28.159 --> 01:02:32.639
<v Speaker 6>Murray and UCLA Saturday, two pm ESPN, What say you you.

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01:02:32.679 --> 01:02:35.440
<v Speaker 3>Know I give Murray a chance in every game, and

1133
01:02:35.719 --> 01:02:38.440
<v Speaker 3>not just because Murray bea Kentucky earlier this year. But

1134
01:02:39.119 --> 01:02:42.800
<v Speaker 3>I was thinking about the Murray after they won, and

1135
01:02:42.920 --> 01:02:46.280
<v Speaker 3>I was remembering the ballgame, right, But what I remember

1136
01:02:46.400 --> 01:02:49.599
<v Speaker 3>the most, believe it or not. And you can try

1137
01:02:49.639 --> 01:02:51.199
<v Speaker 3>to call BS on me, but you can ask my

1138
01:02:51.239 --> 01:02:55.400
<v Speaker 3>broadcast partner. I said prior to us going on the

1139
01:02:55.480 --> 01:02:58.159
<v Speaker 3>air on SEC Plus, I said, you know what, they

1140
01:02:58.280 --> 01:03:01.119
<v Speaker 3>warmed up really well. And that might sound like something

1141
01:03:01.199 --> 01:03:05.880
<v Speaker 3>goofy to say, but coaches talk a lot about, not publicly,

1142
01:03:06.039 --> 01:03:08.440
<v Speaker 3>but you know, play the way you warm up. I've

1143
01:03:08.480 --> 01:03:12.320
<v Speaker 3>seen coaches stop warm ups at various levels. Good point

1144
01:03:12.840 --> 01:03:15.559
<v Speaker 3>and say, guys, get your mind on your business. I'm

1145
01:03:15.599 --> 01:03:20.679
<v Speaker 3>watching Murray warm up, and I mean, it's crisp, it's sharp,

1146
01:03:20.920 --> 01:03:25.239
<v Speaker 3>it's very professional. There were no wasted movements. They weren't slacking.

1147
01:03:25.800 --> 01:03:28.960
<v Speaker 3>They were working hard at their craft. And then they

1148
01:03:29.039 --> 01:03:31.840
<v Speaker 3>played that way and they kept playing that way the

1149
01:03:31.920 --> 01:03:34.840
<v Speaker 3>rest of the year. So nothing would not just because

1150
01:03:34.880 --> 01:03:38.159
<v Speaker 3>of that, Gary, because I watched them beat you, nothing

1151
01:03:38.239 --> 01:03:41.320
<v Speaker 3>would surprise me. They got popping their bats, yep, and

1152
01:03:41.360 --> 01:03:42.519
<v Speaker 3>they got some live arms.

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01:03:42.880 --> 01:03:44.679
<v Speaker 6>What you just said is sort of a relative to

1154
01:03:45.000 --> 01:03:47.760
<v Speaker 6>you play the way you practice, exactly just what I

1155
01:03:47.800 --> 01:03:51.719
<v Speaker 6>think John Wood and said many many times. Yeah, second

1156
01:03:51.760 --> 01:03:55.280
<v Speaker 6>swig and a six pack. Now, besides saying words, I

1157
01:03:55.400 --> 01:03:57.519
<v Speaker 6>never thought I would ever utter Murray States in the

1158
01:03:57.559 --> 01:03:58.480
<v Speaker 6>College World Series.

1159
01:03:58.599 --> 01:03:59.880
<v Speaker 7>Here's here's thirteen more.

1160
01:04:00.239 --> 01:04:02.320
<v Speaker 6>I never thought I would say Murray State and Louisville

1161
01:04:02.320 --> 01:04:05.440
<v Speaker 6>could potentially meet for the World Series Championship games.

1162
01:04:06.119 --> 01:04:06.920
<v Speaker 7>What are the odds of that?

1163
01:04:07.360 --> 01:04:07.480
<v Speaker 1>Ah?

1164
01:04:07.599 --> 01:04:07.840
<v Speaker 3>Cool?

1165
01:04:08.480 --> 01:04:11.280
<v Speaker 6>Well, what were the odds of Louisville even getting to Omaha?

1166
01:04:11.440 --> 01:04:14.880
<v Speaker 6>After A they lost their last three conference series, B

1167
01:04:15.280 --> 01:04:19.239
<v Speaker 6>finished tenth tenth in the ACC, and C they went

1168
01:04:19.320 --> 01:04:21.719
<v Speaker 6>one and done in the ACC tournament. Oh, then there's

1169
01:04:21.800 --> 01:04:23.559
<v Speaker 6>D they had to play the number one overall seed

1170
01:04:23.760 --> 01:04:27.039
<v Speaker 6>on their home field in Nashville. Eric Crawford over here

1171
01:04:27.039 --> 01:04:31.719
<v Speaker 6>at WDRBTV has an absolutely terrific piece you gotta read

1172
01:04:31.760 --> 01:04:33.960
<v Speaker 6>if you haven't seen it already about how Cards coach

1173
01:04:34.480 --> 01:04:39.000
<v Speaker 6>Dan McDonald turned to the good Book the Bible, how

1174
01:04:39.079 --> 01:04:42.280
<v Speaker 6>scripture helped him deal with not making the postseason the

1175
01:04:42.360 --> 01:04:44.320
<v Speaker 6>last two years in a row, and all the chatter

1176
01:04:44.400 --> 01:04:47.480
<v Speaker 6>and criticism that went with that. Which probably explains that

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01:04:47.679 --> 01:04:50.039
<v Speaker 6>look is in that Dan had on his face every

1178
01:04:50.119 --> 01:04:51.920
<v Speaker 6>time the camera was on him in the Miami Games.

1179
01:04:51.920 --> 01:04:52.880
<v Speaker 7>I don't if you remember that.

1180
01:04:53.039 --> 01:04:55.159
<v Speaker 6>But it was like every time was on him, he

1181
01:04:55.159 --> 01:04:57.000
<v Speaker 6>had this look on his face like he knew, he

1182
01:04:57.159 --> 01:05:00.840
<v Speaker 6>knew what was gonna happen. And we'll see that same

1183
01:05:00.880 --> 01:05:04.840
<v Speaker 6>look come Friday evening in Omaha seven o'clock, Louisville and

1184
01:05:05.079 --> 01:05:06.760
<v Speaker 6>Oregon State on ESPN.

1185
01:05:07.400 --> 01:05:10.400
<v Speaker 3>You know, it's funny because we talked to Dougs, Lynn

1186
01:05:10.440 --> 01:05:13.639
<v Speaker 3>and I before our baseball broadcast. We try to talk

1187
01:05:13.719 --> 01:05:17.280
<v Speaker 3>to the opposing coaches. Practically every one of them welcomes

1188
01:05:17.400 --> 01:05:20.280
<v Speaker 3>us into their dugout and then we chat, learn about

1189
01:05:20.320 --> 01:05:22.079
<v Speaker 3>the team and just you know, have a couple of laughs.

1190
01:05:22.639 --> 01:05:25.559
<v Speaker 3>Doug and Dan go way back, and it's because of

1191
01:05:26.199 --> 01:05:29.440
<v Speaker 3>SCA connections and just Doug talking to his team. Doug

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01:05:29.440 --> 01:05:31.440
<v Speaker 3>will go over and talk to the u of L

1193
01:05:31.559 --> 01:05:35.199
<v Speaker 3>team on Dan's best. He's a good guy. He's one

1194
01:05:35.239 --> 01:05:38.119
<v Speaker 3>of the good guys in baseball, and he doesn't beat

1195
01:05:38.159 --> 01:05:40.880
<v Speaker 3>you up with his Bible, but he does lean on it.

1196
01:05:41.559 --> 01:05:43.840
<v Speaker 3>And yeah, it was a big part of their success

1197
01:05:44.000 --> 01:05:46.000
<v Speaker 3>this year. It was just him because you had to

1198
01:05:46.079 --> 01:05:49.159
<v Speaker 3>wonder what's going on over there after all that success

1199
01:05:49.800 --> 01:05:52.559
<v Speaker 3>and whatever it was that was going on. He just

1200
01:05:52.639 --> 01:05:57.440
<v Speaker 3>kept us sitting now, he complained, not loudly, but enough

1201
01:05:57.480 --> 01:05:59.440
<v Speaker 3>to where you could notice about some things that were

1202
01:05:59.480 --> 01:06:02.199
<v Speaker 3>going on and not going on at U of L.

1203
01:06:02.639 --> 01:06:04.480
<v Speaker 3>But just kept grinding, and here they are.

1204
01:06:05.559 --> 01:06:07.920
<v Speaker 6>The third swig relates to that dick with the look

1205
01:06:08.320 --> 01:06:10.519
<v Speaker 6>with going back and looking at that what you were

1206
01:06:10.559 --> 01:06:13.440
<v Speaker 6>just talking about, and ufl back to the college World

1207
01:06:13.559 --> 01:06:17.039
<v Speaker 6>Series for the half dozen time. I would imagine that

1208
01:06:17.199 --> 01:06:20.079
<v Speaker 6>the better resources that Dan has been asking for are

1209
01:06:20.119 --> 01:06:22.000
<v Speaker 6>going to start to materialize a little bit more. And

1210
01:06:22.239 --> 01:06:25.000
<v Speaker 6>obviously high timed or an elite program, without question, But

1211
01:06:25.039 --> 01:06:27.840
<v Speaker 6>I ask you what about Murray What can reaching the

1212
01:06:27.960 --> 01:06:31.760
<v Speaker 6>highest of heights for college baseball program mean for all

1213
01:06:31.800 --> 01:06:35.440
<v Speaker 6>the seasons that follow? Is it more nil money, stadium improvements,

1214
01:06:35.679 --> 01:06:39.159
<v Speaker 6>more local sponsorships? Now UK went obviously its first World

1215
01:06:39.199 --> 01:06:42.239
<v Speaker 6>Series last year. You can tell me what ripple effects,

1216
01:06:42.360 --> 01:06:45.280
<v Speaker 6>if any, have you seen for the Cats so far

1217
01:06:45.440 --> 01:06:45.760
<v Speaker 6>this year?

1218
01:06:46.119 --> 01:06:49.719
<v Speaker 3>Well, I think fan interest number one and it starts there. Now.

1219
01:06:50.639 --> 01:06:54.239
<v Speaker 3>Will that benefit Murray State? Sure? But unfortunately, and there

1220
01:06:54.239 --> 01:06:55.760
<v Speaker 3>are a lot of the Murray State of lums out there,

1221
01:06:55.840 --> 01:06:57.519
<v Speaker 3>But there are people like you who don't live in

1222
01:06:57.599 --> 01:07:01.559
<v Speaker 3>Murray anymore. You know, Ken they pull crowds to that

1223
01:07:01.760 --> 01:07:04.599
<v Speaker 3>tiny ballpark. Will they get a new stadium because it

1224
01:07:04.719 --> 01:07:07.880
<v Speaker 3>is probably not, but upgrades improvements?

1225
01:07:08.119 --> 01:07:08.360
<v Speaker 1>Sure?

1226
01:07:08.960 --> 01:07:11.079
<v Speaker 3>Will they get someone to mow the field and so

1227
01:07:11.159 --> 01:07:13.199
<v Speaker 3>the coach won't have to do it? I would hope so.

1228
01:07:14.480 --> 01:07:17.719
<v Speaker 3>But you got to mobilize racer fans and it can

1229
01:07:17.880 --> 01:07:20.880
<v Speaker 3>be done. You just got to sustain it. That's the key.

1230
01:07:21.559 --> 01:07:23.400
<v Speaker 3>But if you know, you got to strike while it's hot,

1231
01:07:23.840 --> 01:07:28.199
<v Speaker 3>and it's never been hotter obviously or Kentucky Baseball for

1232
01:07:28.360 --> 01:07:31.480
<v Speaker 3>Murray Baseball, and it is now. We saw good crowds

1233
01:07:31.880 --> 01:07:35.360
<v Speaker 3>in election because last year we always talked about how

1234
01:07:35.400 --> 01:07:38.400
<v Speaker 3>many people are here at Kentucky prop Park for the

1235
01:07:38.519 --> 01:07:42.760
<v Speaker 3>first time and then having a good time watching the game.

1236
01:07:43.039 --> 01:07:45.039
<v Speaker 3>I hope that's happening over at Murray.

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01:07:45.920 --> 01:07:48.480
<v Speaker 6>Fourth sway, I get a six pack. Speaking of resources,

1238
01:07:48.559 --> 01:07:50.760
<v Speaker 6>since our last visit a week ago, Dick, that judge

1239
01:07:50.800 --> 01:07:54.239
<v Speaker 6>finally approved the multi billion dollar settlement YEP, the three

1240
01:07:54.360 --> 01:07:57.000
<v Speaker 6>anti trust cases against the NCAA and the power conferences.

1241
01:07:57.039 --> 01:07:59.039
<v Speaker 6>You've been talking about it. On July, the first d

1242
01:07:59.199 --> 01:08:03.280
<v Speaker 6>one schools can start paying players from a twenty and

1243
01:08:03.320 --> 01:08:08.599
<v Speaker 6>a half million per school pool of dough only. Now

1244
01:08:09.320 --> 01:08:11.960
<v Speaker 6>this very agreement has opened up the chance for even

1245
01:08:12.000 --> 01:08:16.920
<v Speaker 6>more litigation. Why well, because as of today June the eleventh,

1246
01:08:17.199 --> 01:08:20.600
<v Speaker 6>an NIL clearinghouse run by accounting firm Deloitte, which is

1247
01:08:20.640 --> 01:08:25.239
<v Speaker 6>called nil Go, will serve as what the Athletic calls

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01:08:25.560 --> 01:08:29.720
<v Speaker 6>a restrictor plate on NIL collectives and pay for play

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01:08:29.920 --> 01:08:33.720
<v Speaker 6>red flagging deals worth at least six hundred bucks that

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01:08:33.840 --> 01:08:38.199
<v Speaker 6>don't fall within a reasonable range of compensation. According to

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01:08:38.239 --> 01:08:42.000
<v Speaker 6>the Athletic, well what's reasonable? Are we about to have

1252
01:08:42.279 --> 01:08:44.520
<v Speaker 6>a salary cap here? What's going on with this? Let's

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01:08:44.520 --> 01:08:47.520
<v Speaker 6>see that argument hold up in court. The Athletic Stewart

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01:08:47.600 --> 01:08:51.520
<v Speaker 6>Mandel said that every legal expert he's spoken to thinks

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01:08:51.560 --> 01:08:54.680
<v Speaker 6>there's a little chance this clearinghouse deal will survive a

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01:08:54.760 --> 01:08:57.079
<v Speaker 6>legal challenge. And earlier this year the Athletics spoke to

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01:08:57.800 --> 01:09:01.239
<v Speaker 6>Cal Stein, a sports law lawyer, and he said it

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01:09:01.279 --> 01:09:03.600
<v Speaker 6>in an interview. The house settlement started with the goal

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01:09:03.640 --> 01:09:05.960
<v Speaker 6>of the NCAA putting an end to the losses it's

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01:09:06.000 --> 01:09:08.159
<v Speaker 6>taken in these litigations over the country. But the great

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01:09:08.199 --> 01:09:11.000
<v Speaker 6>irony is it's really just going to lead to more

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01:09:11.079 --> 01:09:13.880
<v Speaker 6>lawsuits if you think about it. They've still got to

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01:09:13.960 --> 01:09:16.800
<v Speaker 6>deal with Title nine They've still got to deal with

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01:09:18.720 --> 01:09:20.279
<v Speaker 6>all the other things that are going on with that,

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01:09:20.520 --> 01:09:24.920
<v Speaker 6>in terms of employment of athletes, the conflicting state rules

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01:09:24.960 --> 01:09:26.680
<v Speaker 6>and laws about all of this stuff.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm asking you, has.

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<v Speaker 6>The wild wild West in college sports suddenly got even wilder?

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<v Speaker 3>It could be. I talked about this earlier though, and

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<v Speaker 3>Jay billis, of all people, he likes the thought of Deloitte,

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01:09:39.479 --> 01:09:42.279
<v Speaker 3>the accounting firm what do they call it, accounting and

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01:09:42.319 --> 01:09:46.479
<v Speaker 3>affirmation looking into these things. I think it's going to

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01:09:46.520 --> 01:09:53.199
<v Speaker 3>depend on whatever papers that they essentially contract that the

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01:09:53.319 --> 01:09:57.720
<v Speaker 3>athletes signed with the university. Now, the revenue that comes in,

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01:09:57.840 --> 01:10:01.920
<v Speaker 3>that's one thing, and still, as you said, exists outside.

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01:10:01.960 --> 01:10:05.039
<v Speaker 3>But he gave the example of you know, let's say

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<v Speaker 3>a kid signs a four million dollar contract with the

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<v Speaker 3>local auto dealership that only makes a million dollars a year.

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01:10:12.159 --> 01:10:15.000
<v Speaker 3>That's bogus. You know, they can't afford to pay that kid.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think it just depends on how it's structured

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01:10:18.800 --> 01:10:22.399
<v Speaker 3>legally going in. But you and I also talked about

1282
01:10:22.399 --> 01:10:25.640
<v Speaker 3>the fact that there are attorneys out there right now drooling,

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01:10:25.880 --> 01:10:29.680
<v Speaker 3>just waiting for a chance to get at this. So yeah,

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01:10:30.079 --> 01:10:32.199
<v Speaker 3>it's not going to lock anything down. In fact, it

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01:10:32.279 --> 01:10:33.800
<v Speaker 3>may just open the gates a little.

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<v Speaker 7>More Fitthswig and the six Pack.

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<v Speaker 6>Last night in Atlanta, the Atlanta or the Indiana Fever

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01:10:39.199 --> 01:10:41.720
<v Speaker 6>played their fifth game in a row without Caitlin Clark,

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01:10:41.760 --> 01:10:43.880
<v Speaker 6>and they lost to the Dreams seventy seven to fifty

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<v Speaker 6>eight Indies now two and three in those five games

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<v Speaker 6>without her. But she slated to return Saturday at home

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01:10:49.640 --> 01:10:52.239
<v Speaker 6>against the nine to zero Liberty on ABC TV, and

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<v Speaker 6>sure return not wearing her own signature shoe from Nike,

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01:10:57.159 --> 01:10:59.159
<v Speaker 6>which is still not ready after almost a year and

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01:10:59.199 --> 01:11:02.800
<v Speaker 6>a half after signing her, which has resulted in former

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01:11:02.880 --> 01:11:06.279
<v Speaker 6>marketing director for the Swoosh, Jordan Rodgers to post that

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01:11:06.439 --> 01:11:09.880
<v Speaker 6>Nike's blowing it, leaving millions on the table while their

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01:11:09.960 --> 01:11:15.600
<v Speaker 6>stock price has plummeted sixty percent since twenty twenty one. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 6>Nike's rolled out signature shoe after shoe for a bunch

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<v Speaker 6>of NBA players who don't move the needle nearly as

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<v Speaker 6>much as Clark. For example, how many new Jahn Morant

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01:11:24.520 --> 01:11:26.239
<v Speaker 6>shoes have we seen in the past year. I don't

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<v Speaker 6>know anybody, how to decide, of Memphis or Murray that

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01:11:28.279 --> 01:11:30.960
<v Speaker 6>would want one of those as Rogers said, quote, you

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01:11:31.039 --> 01:11:34.439
<v Speaker 6>have the unicorn, the chosen one, the one everyone wants

1306
01:11:34.479 --> 01:11:37.359
<v Speaker 6>to hear from, and you're just sitting around unquote. Hasn't

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01:11:37.359 --> 01:11:39.840
<v Speaker 6>been a problem for Gatoraders State Farm. They've been marketing

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01:11:39.840 --> 01:11:42.600
<v Speaker 6>her really well. So I'm wondering, is it me or

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01:11:42.720 --> 01:11:45.319
<v Speaker 6>is it Nike's lack of product for built in fan

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01:11:45.439 --> 01:11:49.039
<v Speaker 6>base ready to spend bucks, plus their disastrous MLB uniforms

1311
01:11:49.079 --> 01:11:52.279
<v Speaker 6>last year and these awful City Connect costumes that are

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01:11:52.279 --> 01:11:54.840
<v Speaker 6>still polluting the demands? Has Nike lost its mojo?

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<v Speaker 1>Dick?

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<v Speaker 3>I also wonder has Caitlin Clark been so many said Nope,

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01:11:59.319 --> 01:12:01.640
<v Speaker 3>I don't like that one. Nope, I don't like that one. Yeah.

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01:12:01.880 --> 01:12:04.920
<v Speaker 3>But it is curious, isn't it? Because man Nike literally

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01:12:05.399 --> 01:12:06.640
<v Speaker 3>wrote the book on this stuff.

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<v Speaker 6>You thought that would have been out last year, especially

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01:12:09.239 --> 01:12:10.439
<v Speaker 6>in times of the All Star Game when she was

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01:12:10.520 --> 01:12:15.119
<v Speaker 6>really trending high. We'll see finally, Dick, sixth Wig Game

1321
01:12:15.279 --> 01:12:18.159
<v Speaker 6>three tonight of the NBA Game three really up to

1322
01:12:18.199 --> 01:12:21.680
<v Speaker 6>the third one at this rate, if there's gonna be

1323
01:12:21.680 --> 01:12:23.479
<v Speaker 6>a Game seven, they'll have like about a week off

1324
01:12:23.520 --> 01:12:25.560
<v Speaker 6>and then start the twenty five to twenty sixth season.

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<v Speaker 6>But it resumes to night up at I sixty five

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01:12:27.520 --> 01:12:29.760
<v Speaker 6>at Indy, all tied up at a game a piece

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01:12:30.199 --> 01:12:32.640
<v Speaker 6>and the Pacers and the Thunders can thank former Pacer

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01:12:32.760 --> 01:12:37.359
<v Speaker 6>and Thunder player Paul George, now with the Sixers, who's

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01:12:37.800 --> 01:12:39.399
<v Speaker 6>by the way, yet to play in the finals on

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01:12:39.479 --> 01:12:42.840
<v Speaker 6>his own, for helping land the two biggest stars. Because

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01:12:42.960 --> 01:12:45.640
<v Speaker 6>let's go back to twenty seventeen, George was traded from

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01:12:45.680 --> 01:12:48.840
<v Speaker 6>Indy to Oklahoma City for two players, one of which

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01:12:49.159 --> 01:12:51.960
<v Speaker 6>would later be part of a package to Sacramento for

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01:12:52.039 --> 01:12:56.520
<v Speaker 6>the draft rights to Tada Tyrese Haliburton. Then in twenty nineteen,

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01:12:57.039 --> 01:12:59.840
<v Speaker 6>the Thunder traded George to the LA Clippers for UK

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01:13:00.079 --> 01:13:04.680
<v Speaker 6>star SGA, this year's NBA MVP. And in the words

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01:13:04.720 --> 01:13:10.159
<v Speaker 6>of a famous TV dad, Dope, I've got Indy winning tonight, Dick.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And you know, this is such a great story

1339
01:13:13.119 --> 01:13:15.960
<v Speaker 3>because not only did they get SGA, but they also

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01:13:16.560 --> 01:13:18.000
<v Speaker 3>got a whole bunch of draft picks.

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01:13:18.359 --> 01:13:18.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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01:13:18.640 --> 01:13:21.439
<v Speaker 3>But I've read a couple of stories. This is so fascinating,

1343
01:13:21.479 --> 01:13:23.800
<v Speaker 3>and I'm glad you brought it up. But that was

1344
01:13:23.880 --> 01:13:27.079
<v Speaker 3>the pivotal point, was Paul George, And of course the

1345
01:13:27.239 --> 01:13:29.279
<v Speaker 3>SGA trade now being called one of the worst trades

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01:13:29.279 --> 01:13:32.119
<v Speaker 3>in the history of the NBA, the second only to

1347
01:13:32.239 --> 01:13:35.640
<v Speaker 3>the one between the MAVs and the Lakers. But really,

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01:13:35.680 --> 01:13:37.199
<v Speaker 3>if you want to connect the dots, and it was

1349
01:13:37.239 --> 01:13:38.479
<v Speaker 3>a great story out there, I think it's on the

1350
01:13:38.520 --> 01:13:42.960
<v Speaker 3>athletic This actually goes back to seven when moves began

1351
01:13:43.079 --> 01:13:46.560
<v Speaker 3>to be made and different people were hired for front offices,

1352
01:13:46.600 --> 01:13:48.439
<v Speaker 3>and the first move he made was this and that.

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01:13:49.560 --> 01:13:53.000
<v Speaker 3>It's quite the spider web of great stories. And it

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01:13:53.119 --> 01:13:56.560
<v Speaker 3>may come to fruition tomorrow night, really, but through the

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01:13:56.600 --> 01:13:58.880
<v Speaker 3>next couple of weeks, golly, probably for the next month

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01:13:59.399 --> 01:14:03.079
<v Speaker 3>as the's these playoffs move on. But it is fascinating,

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01:14:03.199 --> 01:14:03.439
<v Speaker 3>isn't it.

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<v Speaker 7>I remember a pulse thinking I was watching this stuff.

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01:14:07.479 --> 01:14:09.359
<v Speaker 6>Am I gonna get traded from the Sixers now for?

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01:14:09.760 --> 01:14:11.720
<v Speaker 3>Because that's where it was. You got to open at

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01:14:11.760 --> 01:14:14.640
<v Speaker 3>some point, and by now I'm sure it hasn't. He's thinking, Hey,

1362
01:14:14.920 --> 01:14:15.520
<v Speaker 3>maybe it's me.

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01:14:18.000 --> 01:14:19.479
<v Speaker 7>Am I ever going to get that damn ring?

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01:14:19.680 --> 01:14:22.560
<v Speaker 3>Come on, man at a pawn shop. Maybe we'll step

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01:14:22.640 --> 01:14:24.680
<v Speaker 3>out and come back and talk more with Gary Reid,

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01:14:24.760 --> 01:14:27.600
<v Speaker 3>with coach, We'll step out and throw a couple of

1367
01:14:27.720 --> 01:14:29.520
<v Speaker 3>hot reads at Gary Moore in just a minute. He

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<v Speaker 3>is our Western bureau chief here on the Big Moonsider

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<v Speaker 3>six thirty WLAP Welcome back, We're talking with Gary Moore

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01:14:36.439 --> 01:14:39.640
<v Speaker 3>is our West End bureau chief. Now a couple of

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01:14:39.720 --> 01:14:45.680
<v Speaker 3>hot reads, Hey headlines, extra extra Aaron Rodgers got married Gary.

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<v Speaker 3>We all we know about her is her name is

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01:14:48.359 --> 01:14:51.039
<v Speaker 3>Brittany with an I. Of course, I don't think she's

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01:14:51.199 --> 01:14:53.520
<v Speaker 3>a Hollywood actress, because we would know about this. He

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01:14:53.560 --> 01:14:56.439
<v Speaker 3>has dated high profile women in the past.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, he said things like being in Pittsburgh is good

1377
01:14:59.199 --> 01:15:01.880
<v Speaker 6>for his soul. Yeah, not so much for the career

1378
01:15:02.159 --> 01:15:05.159
<v Speaker 6>or the pocketbook. Although he's not going to be eating

1379
01:15:05.239 --> 01:15:07.880
<v Speaker 6>spam unless he wants to with what thirteen million to

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01:15:07.920 --> 01:15:08.319
<v Speaker 6>sign or.

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01:15:08.319 --> 01:15:09.680
<v Speaker 7>Something in that neighborhood.

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01:15:09.720 --> 01:15:12.760
<v Speaker 6>But I hope he does well. I'm not a Steelers fan.

1383
01:15:12.800 --> 01:15:14.560
<v Speaker 6>I'm not Aaron Rodgers fan per se, but I hope

1384
01:15:14.560 --> 01:15:16.079
<v Speaker 6>the holy matrimony thing works out.

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01:15:17.079 --> 01:15:17.960
<v Speaker 7>He's going to be wearing.

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01:15:17.840 --> 01:15:20.279
<v Speaker 6>Number eight like he was well, first of all at

1387
01:15:20.399 --> 01:15:23.319
<v Speaker 6>cal Berkeley and then with the Jets, following in the

1388
01:15:23.319 --> 01:15:27.359
<v Speaker 6>great footsteps who also wore that famous number eight at Pittsburgh,

1389
01:15:27.600 --> 01:15:29.479
<v Speaker 6>Tommy Maddox and Kenny Pickett.

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01:15:29.560 --> 01:15:33.359
<v Speaker 7>So it's a legacy there, right, get.

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01:15:33.239 --> 01:15:36.880
<v Speaker 3>Your jersey now. And of course he couldn't wear twelve

1392
01:15:36.960 --> 01:15:41.000
<v Speaker 3>in Pittsburgh because Terry Bradshaw wore that. Unless you think

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01:15:41.079 --> 01:15:44.720
<v Speaker 3>Bradshaw has any thought of working, he's the guy who

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01:15:44.800 --> 01:15:47.359
<v Speaker 3>said they shouldn't even be talking to Rogers and he

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01:15:47.560 --> 01:15:51.640
<v Speaker 3>needs to go back to California and eat bark. He

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01:15:51.720 --> 01:15:55.359
<v Speaker 3>may have already done that. Maybe my biggest question about

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01:15:55.479 --> 01:15:58.279
<v Speaker 3>is is and again, congrats to him. I appreciate the

1398
01:15:58.319 --> 01:16:01.800
<v Speaker 3>Super Bowl championship in Green Bay. My question about his

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01:16:01.920 --> 01:16:05.079
<v Speaker 3>new bride is will she enjoy the hallucinis? Is the

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01:16:05.119 --> 01:16:07.760
<v Speaker 3>way he does? You know, maybe they were doing that

1401
01:16:07.840 --> 01:16:10.600
<v Speaker 3>when they got married. Our second high read for Gary

1402
01:16:11.199 --> 01:16:15.159
<v Speaker 3>involves more than nuts and bolts of the NFL. The

1403
01:16:15.279 --> 01:16:19.199
<v Speaker 3>Bengals and Trey Hendrickson cannot seem to get together. Gary.

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01:16:19.279 --> 01:16:22.479
<v Speaker 3>Here's a guy who has led the league in sacks

1405
01:16:22.640 --> 01:16:25.039
<v Speaker 3>over each to the last two years. When is the

1406
01:16:25.119 --> 01:16:27.760
<v Speaker 3>last time the Bengals had a guy like that? They

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01:16:27.920 --> 01:16:30.800
<v Speaker 3>backed up the Brinks truck to the bank for the

1408
01:16:30.880 --> 01:16:33.560
<v Speaker 3>wide receivers. How in the world, in this day and age,

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01:16:33.880 --> 01:16:37.800
<v Speaker 3>can you not do everything you can to come to

1410
01:16:37.960 --> 01:16:40.319
<v Speaker 3>terms with a guy like that? This could be your

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01:16:40.399 --> 01:16:43.239
<v Speaker 3>Reggie White. And I know it's a different time, but

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01:16:43.399 --> 01:16:47.199
<v Speaker 3>Reggie White settles in with the Packers, more defenders followed.

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01:16:47.399 --> 01:16:48.840
<v Speaker 3>They built a championship team.

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01:16:49.159 --> 01:16:51.880
<v Speaker 6>How can you not do this, especially after last season

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01:16:52.479 --> 01:16:54.479
<v Speaker 6>when Joe Burrow had to score, you know, had to

1416
01:16:54.600 --> 01:16:56.560
<v Speaker 6>lead the offense to score at least forty points, yes,

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01:16:56.920 --> 01:16:59.960
<v Speaker 6>to at least meet a chance yet have a chance

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01:17:00.439 --> 01:17:03.119
<v Speaker 6>in those games. They don't have any defensive ends right now,

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01:17:03.159 --> 01:17:06.520
<v Speaker 6>apparently signed because their number one draft choice from Texas

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01:17:06.560 --> 01:17:10.079
<v Speaker 6>A and M Shamar Stewart still hasn't signed this rookie.

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01:17:10.079 --> 01:17:13.039
<v Speaker 6>And he's a rookie that's slot money too. Yeah, and

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01:17:13.640 --> 01:17:17.279
<v Speaker 6>Burrow has already said this is a distraction. Your number

1423
01:17:17.359 --> 01:17:20.520
<v Speaker 6>one guys is saying on all this is a distraction.

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01:17:20.640 --> 01:17:22.279
<v Speaker 6>So they got to sign this guy. I predict they'll

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01:17:22.279 --> 01:17:24.840
<v Speaker 6>probably sign him. He came in to talk the other day.

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01:17:24.880 --> 01:17:26.199
<v Speaker 6>I guess what was a Monday.

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01:17:27.520 --> 01:17:28.239
<v Speaker 3>To Zach.

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01:17:28.319 --> 01:17:30.760
<v Speaker 6>But I don't They got to get this done. There's

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01:17:30.840 --> 01:17:32.600
<v Speaker 6>no way you can go through this season and then

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01:17:32.680 --> 01:17:34.399
<v Speaker 6>not even think about trading this guy. You have to

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01:17:34.439 --> 01:17:36.720
<v Speaker 6>have him in their period exclamation point.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, because when you think about what happens if they

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01:17:39.039 --> 01:17:43.119
<v Speaker 3>lose him. He's in his last year. You know they're

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01:17:43.159 --> 01:17:46.119
<v Speaker 3>going to be two dozen teams lining up.

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<v Speaker 7>Yep, pay him money. Watch The other thing too.

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01:17:48.640 --> 01:17:52.479
<v Speaker 3>Though, is he's thirty years old, not exactly a doddering

1437
01:17:52.560 --> 01:17:56.479
<v Speaker 3>old gentleman in the NFL, but his windows closing and

1438
01:17:56.720 --> 01:18:01.479
<v Speaker 3>plays an extremely physical, demanding position. So you got to

1439
01:18:01.520 --> 01:18:03.359
<v Speaker 3>tell you, I'm not seeing lock him up for eight years,

1440
01:18:04.399 --> 01:18:07.119
<v Speaker 3>but you got to take steps and then they can

1441
01:18:07.319 --> 01:18:10.319
<v Speaker 3>write contracts, as you all know, front end them things

1442
01:18:10.439 --> 01:18:14.239
<v Speaker 3>like that, front low, backload whatever. But when do the

1443
01:18:14.319 --> 01:18:18.479
<v Speaker 3>Cincinnati Bengals have the opportunity to lock up a guy.

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01:18:18.640 --> 01:18:21.439
<v Speaker 3>I'm not saying he's Aaron Donald, but they lost to

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01:18:21.520 --> 01:18:24.279
<v Speaker 3>a team that had Aaron Donald in the Super Bowl

1446
01:18:24.319 --> 01:18:28.800
<v Speaker 3>and Aaron Donald was a difference maker in that game specifically, wasn't.

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<v Speaker 1>He he was?

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01:18:29.720 --> 01:18:32.199
<v Speaker 6>And the Lions lost their star defensive end last year too,

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01:18:32.199 --> 01:18:35.239
<v Speaker 6>and look what happened to them. Uh, you need to

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01:18:35.359 --> 01:18:37.920
<v Speaker 6>get this guy in there that make it a priority.

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01:18:38.720 --> 01:18:41.159
<v Speaker 6>If you don't want to own a pro football team

1452
01:18:41.199 --> 01:18:44.239
<v Speaker 6>or professional team and pay your players, then get out

1453
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<v Speaker 6>of the business, is the way I look at it.

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<v Speaker 7>Pay him.

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<v Speaker 3>He is Gary Moore, He is our West End bureau chief.

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01:18:49.319 --> 01:18:51.079
<v Speaker 3>We traveled him each and every week and if you

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<v Speaker 3>want more of more you go to Twitter or x

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<v Speaker 3>and search him at.

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<v Speaker 6>At nine to five five Gary, that same fab with

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<v Speaker 6>this joint.

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<v Speaker 7>You're founder.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a big inside one. Thank you, brother. Have a

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<v Speaker 3>great week, go racers, go cards.

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<v Speaker 7>Happy Father's Day after everybody.

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<v Speaker 3>That's it. Good night from the garage in Lexington.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm disturbed, I'm depressed.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm inadequate.

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<v Speaker 5>I got it all. Don't singing snatch pacing, don't have

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<v Speaker 5>to back them from Tatton School, Colon Fumton School, Conco
