WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.040 --> 00:00:04.759 I think it's just going to get weirder and weirder 2 00:00:04.799 --> 00:00:07.759 and weirder, and finally it's going to be so weird 3 00:00:08.359 --> 00:00:10.359 that people are going to have to talk about how 4 00:00:10.400 --> 00:00:14.679 weird it is. Welcome back to Forbidden Knowledge News. I'm 5 00:00:14.720 --> 00:00:18.760 your host, Chris Matthew. Today my guests are Neflim Death Squad. 6 00:00:19.359 --> 00:00:21.559 Be sure and check out our merch shop. We've got 7 00:00:21.600 --> 00:00:24.920 great shirt designs. I am wearing the FKN logo t 8 00:00:25.480 --> 00:00:28.160 We have shirts from the films as well and hoodies. 9 00:00:28.719 --> 00:00:30.839 Use the link right in the description to go check 10 00:00:30.879 --> 00:00:34.280 those out. Also check out my films, A Call Louisiana's 11 00:00:34.320 --> 00:00:38.399 on tub Doors, a Perception on Amazon Prime. I am 12 00:00:38.399 --> 00:00:41.640 booking guests for September. If you have suggestions or you'd 13 00:00:41.679 --> 00:00:44.439 like to be a guest, email me Forbidden Knowledgenews at 14 00:00:44.439 --> 00:00:47.320 gmail dot com. Today I want to welcome back to 15 00:00:47.359 --> 00:00:50.159 the show Neflim Death Squad. They are a group of 16 00:00:50.280 --> 00:00:53.920 unlikely heroes determined to unravel the mysteries of the universe 17 00:00:54.320 --> 00:00:58.479 and expose the truth behind the world's most notorious conspiracies, 18 00:00:58.799 --> 00:01:04.640 the paranormal and hidden history of humanity. Raven Lobster, Welcome back. 19 00:01:04.680 --> 00:01:08.799 How y'all doing, dude good. I just heard a strange voice. 20 00:01:09.079 --> 00:01:12.120 Yeah, yeah, it said this meeting is being recorded. I 21 00:01:12.159 --> 00:01:14.200 wasn't told that, and I'm going to have to reach 22 00:01:14.239 --> 00:01:18.400 out to our Jewish lawyer. No, we're doing good man. 23 00:01:18.560 --> 00:01:20.239 It's good to see you. It's been a while. 24 00:01:20.400 --> 00:01:23.359 And uh, you know what's funny is a little aside 25 00:01:23.400 --> 00:01:27.000 before we get into it. Somebody discovered us through your show. 26 00:01:27.480 --> 00:01:30.000 And reached out a long time ago, and I kind 27 00:01:30.000 --> 00:01:31.719 of neglected the message. 28 00:01:31.640 --> 00:01:35.560 Because a lot of people, all right, go ahead in fairness, Yeah, 29 00:01:35.760 --> 00:01:39.760 a lot of people go, hey, man, aliens might be demons. 30 00:01:39.840 --> 00:01:42.599 Aliens might not be demons. Yeah, thanks for listening to 31 00:01:42.599 --> 00:01:43.959 my email. Nathaniel Gillis. 32 00:01:44.040 --> 00:01:47.920 Yeah, And I look at people Daniel Gillis all the 33 00:01:47.920 --> 00:01:51.159 time and Nephlum, Death Squadity or anybody pretty much if like, yeah, 34 00:01:51.200 --> 00:01:54.319 they get very confused because like you've been on the show. Yeah, 35 00:01:54.359 --> 00:01:56.400 they email us and they like argue with us, but 36 00:01:56.599 --> 00:01:58.840 at you like, we're not we're not them, We're not 37 00:01:58.920 --> 00:02:00.719 them at all. So a lot of things kind of 38 00:02:00.719 --> 00:02:02.640 fly under the radar. But it turns out the fittest 39 00:02:02.680 --> 00:02:06.599 flat earther, oh yeah, it actually reached out to us 40 00:02:06.719 --> 00:02:09.319 from a very early appearance on your show. I mean 41 00:02:09.400 --> 00:02:11.560 Christian Bale. No, we're Christian Bale. 42 00:02:11.759 --> 00:02:14.240 And we had a brief dialogue with him, and then 43 00:02:14.240 --> 00:02:15.639 I kind of forgot about it because I didn't even 44 00:02:15.639 --> 00:02:17.400 know who he was at the time. Long story, short man, 45 00:02:17.680 --> 00:02:20.439 we had would you say, we had a falling out 46 00:02:20.439 --> 00:02:22.520 with So that's how he saw through show. 47 00:02:22.560 --> 00:02:23.199 Do you know him? 48 00:02:23.599 --> 00:02:25.800 I didn't even know he watched my fucking show. That 49 00:02:25.879 --> 00:02:27.439 makes me very uneasy, now. 50 00:02:28.479 --> 00:02:30.800 Dude, he was watching your show, saw us on it, 51 00:02:31.159 --> 00:02:33.319 talked about sleep paralysis in the comment and you know, 52 00:02:33.360 --> 00:02:35.560 in the messages a little bit, and then got mad 53 00:02:35.599 --> 00:02:37.759 at us because we said, hey, it's very silly to 54 00:02:37.840 --> 00:02:41.400 say that nobody ever dies and everybody is actually Christian 55 00:02:41.439 --> 00:02:42.639 Bale in disguise. 56 00:02:42.840 --> 00:02:46.159 Lionel Messi is Christian Bale. Christian Bale is a fallen angel, 57 00:02:46.599 --> 00:02:50.280 over and over again. All of his connections are basically 58 00:02:50.280 --> 00:02:52.960 you're Christian Bale. And we said that, We said that's 59 00:02:53.000 --> 00:02:55.319 quite silly, and he got really upset about it. I 60 00:02:55.360 --> 00:03:01.840 amun that maybe Bacon, he probably is Francis Bacon. Yeah, 61 00:03:01.919 --> 00:03:04.439 he's definitely not Christian. Well, he's definitely not not Christian 62 00:03:04.439 --> 00:03:07.360 Bale and can't be certain. So yeah, it's just funny 63 00:03:07.360 --> 00:03:09.120 the people who find you through these appearances. 64 00:03:09.120 --> 00:03:10.919 But it's great to be back, man, Thanks for having us. 65 00:03:11.039 --> 00:03:13.599 Yeah, Man, great to have you back. Like I said, 66 00:03:13.599 --> 00:03:15.479 I don't know how I feel about the fittest flat 67 00:03:15.479 --> 00:03:18.319 Earth or listening to my shit, but you know, an 68 00:03:18.319 --> 00:03:22.039 audience is an audience, like yes, So today I wanted 69 00:03:22.039 --> 00:03:26.199 to get into the discussion surrounding extraterrestrials and UFOs as 70 00:03:26.240 --> 00:03:29.319 it relates to the true nature of what people could 71 00:03:29.360 --> 00:03:32.759 be experiencing. And I know you guys have interviewed many 72 00:03:32.879 --> 00:03:35.599 abduction victims and even on the other end of the 73 00:03:35.639 --> 00:03:40.120 spectrum experiencers. I've had a huge problem with all the 74 00:03:40.199 --> 00:03:42.599 narratives that have come out of the UFO community for 75 00:03:42.639 --> 00:03:45.800 a long time. There are too many pieces that don't 76 00:03:45.840 --> 00:03:49.400 fit together and so many red flags to point out. 77 00:03:49.719 --> 00:03:54.360 In my perspective, it's a spiritual or metaphysical phenomenon, but 78 00:03:54.680 --> 00:03:58.280 even within that spiritual framework, some things just don't even 79 00:03:58.319 --> 00:04:01.680 add up there. So today we're gonna share your perspectives 80 00:04:01.680 --> 00:04:04.319 on the phenomena. Get weird with it before we do. 81 00:04:04.479 --> 00:04:07.560 For those that may not be familiar tell us briefly 82 00:04:07.560 --> 00:04:09.639 about yourselves and let them know how they can find more. 83 00:04:10.560 --> 00:04:10.680 Uh. 84 00:04:10.919 --> 00:04:12.560 You can find us at the same places that the 85 00:04:12.560 --> 00:04:17.519 fittest flat earther found us. That's Nephelum Desk Squad on Instagram. 86 00:04:17.360 --> 00:04:20.360 Forbidden Knowledge News sometimes sometimes Forbidden Knowledge News. 87 00:04:20.920 --> 00:04:22.560 Yeah, you can find us pretty much anywhere you find 88 00:04:22.600 --> 00:04:26.000 your podcast except for Rumble, but all your audio feeds 89 00:04:26.040 --> 00:04:26.879 were there as well. 90 00:04:27.000 --> 00:04:29.839 Our merch and right now currently the tickets to an 91 00:04:29.879 --> 00:04:33.560 inverted plug for Rumble. You always do that, not Rumble. 92 00:04:35.120 --> 00:04:37.920 You definitely have hugged us, specifically in the context of 93 00:04:37.959 --> 00:04:41.000 Brohemian Grove. Oh hey, which is happening? Yeah, yeah, so 94 00:04:41.839 --> 00:04:42.399 next Saturday. 95 00:04:42.480 --> 00:04:44.600 Yeah, if you go to top lobster with an a 96 00:04:44.800 --> 00:04:46.519 dot com, you can find not only our merch but 97 00:04:46.560 --> 00:04:49.360 also the tickets for Brohemian Grove. It's short noticed. But 98 00:04:49.360 --> 00:04:52.480 if you guys are in Florida, We're in Wildwood, Florida 99 00:04:52.519 --> 00:04:54.160 on August eighth. Then we're gonna have a bunch of 100 00:04:54.160 --> 00:04:57.240 people coming to hang out. Owen Benjamin, Doctor heather Lin's 101 00:04:57.240 --> 00:05:00.199 gonna be there. A lot of familiar names is if 102 00:05:00.199 --> 00:05:02.800 you're familiar with the show and just the community, they're 103 00:05:02.800 --> 00:05:04.920 gonna be coming down and hanging out and uh, come 104 00:05:04.959 --> 00:05:05.560 be part of the fun. 105 00:05:05.639 --> 00:05:08.879 But yeah, the Rumble thing just a brief overview. 106 00:05:08.920 --> 00:05:11.839 They messed us up on the last Brohemian Grove because 107 00:05:11.839 --> 00:05:14.360 they said, we said, hey, we'd like to live stream 108 00:05:14.360 --> 00:05:17.800 it through Rumble, and they said absolutely. In exchange, we'll 109 00:05:17.800 --> 00:05:19.399 put you guys on the front page and all you 110 00:05:19.480 --> 00:05:21.759 have to do is get your viewers to buy a 111 00:05:21.800 --> 00:05:23.199 subscription to Rumble. 112 00:05:23.319 --> 00:05:25.560 That's right. Was that the last that was the last one? 113 00:05:26.160 --> 00:05:31.319 It was? It was twice twice. Yeah, so basically what 114 00:05:31.399 --> 00:05:35.959 happened is what you want. Shame on you, Shame on us. 115 00:05:36.639 --> 00:05:37.519 We can't get fooled again. 116 00:05:37.759 --> 00:05:42.600 But uh, they all subscription and and we they never 117 00:05:42.600 --> 00:05:44.759 put us on the front page. So Rumble got all 118 00:05:44.759 --> 00:05:46.680 the money, we got none of the exposure. A really 119 00:05:46.759 --> 00:05:51.720 great deal on our heads. So yeah, Rumble, we no 120 00:05:51.759 --> 00:05:54.040 longer love them. So that's not to say they couldn't 121 00:05:54.040 --> 00:05:55.759 shovel a bunch of money at us to rectify it. 122 00:05:55.759 --> 00:05:57.639 But an that day, but I had words with Chris 123 00:05:57.639 --> 00:05:59.879 Povloski too, and I was like, hey, Chris, let me 124 00:06:00.000 --> 00:06:01.360 ask you a question. I know this is this is 125 00:06:01.360 --> 00:06:04.040 not really what the show's about, but there's some beef 126 00:06:04.120 --> 00:06:04.680 right up front. 127 00:06:04.759 --> 00:06:07.560 That's right, dude. In case Chris Provoski watched this, watches 128 00:06:07.600 --> 00:06:08.040 this show. 129 00:06:07.920 --> 00:06:09.759 He might, who know, he hangs out with the fitness 130 00:06:09.759 --> 00:06:13.600 flat earther on Saturdays. Is to watch for busin knowledge news. 131 00:06:13.639 --> 00:06:16.800 Hey on YouTube, this this platform that hates us. We've 132 00:06:16.800 --> 00:06:21.360 grown exponentially, yes, but on your platform, we've plaateawed about 133 00:06:21.399 --> 00:06:22.639 seven thousand followers. 134 00:06:22.720 --> 00:06:25.360 Yeah, we exploded up and then Plateau's super hard. 135 00:06:25.560 --> 00:06:28.839 I said, well what happened because like we've been uploading 136 00:06:28.879 --> 00:06:30.439 the same and he was like he gave us a 137 00:06:30.600 --> 00:06:36.319 thousand excuses before he just finally said, your content's just bad. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 138 00:06:36.399 --> 00:06:39.600 the content is bad. Fair, that's fair. But we can't 139 00:06:39.600 --> 00:06:42.439 explain why it's growing everywhere else and not in this place. 140 00:06:42.480 --> 00:06:44.279 So like there's a fun shit they I don't know 141 00:06:44.279 --> 00:06:47.360 what's going on, but you know, just to put a 142 00:06:47.399 --> 00:06:50.680 pin in it, you know, fuck rumble, so you can't 143 00:06:50.680 --> 00:06:52.360 find it, you can't find us there. 144 00:06:52.439 --> 00:06:55.680 So so as for this conversation, Chris, this is a 145 00:06:55.759 --> 00:06:58.720 pertinent time to have the conversation given all of the 146 00:06:59.000 --> 00:06:59.920 is that a real word. 147 00:06:59.800 --> 00:07:02.879 For it's close? Okay, it's right, Okay, get me on. 148 00:07:02.959 --> 00:07:03.439 I'm trying. 149 00:07:03.519 --> 00:07:05.879 I'm trying my best since the Ortho tobacco to use 150 00:07:05.959 --> 00:07:10.360 smaller words. Oh yeah, yeah, five things, yeah yeah, like anathema. 151 00:07:10.680 --> 00:07:11.959 No, no, no, I don't know. I don't like that 152 00:07:12.000 --> 00:07:13.079 word acumenical. 153 00:07:13.560 --> 00:07:18.079 I also don't like thattricitical a way they sound. No, 154 00:07:18.120 --> 00:07:21.079 I don't know what you mean or wait seriously though, yeah? 155 00:07:21.199 --> 00:07:21.800 Were we on? 156 00:07:22.079 --> 00:07:22.800 Uh? 157 00:07:22.920 --> 00:07:24.959 Have we been on since we had the debate with 158 00:07:25.000 --> 00:07:26.800 Timothy Auberino? Do you even know about this? 159 00:07:27.600 --> 00:07:30.519 I know about it, but you have not been on since? 160 00:07:30.560 --> 00:07:30.839 Then? 161 00:07:31.199 --> 00:07:32.199 Tell us about it. 162 00:07:32.199 --> 00:07:34.120 It's been a while huh. So uh. 163 00:07:35.240 --> 00:07:38.360 Effectively, what was happening was there was these utterings within 164 00:07:38.439 --> 00:07:42.079 the sort of Christian conspiracy community, the CCC as I 165 00:07:42.160 --> 00:07:45.439 like to call it, to keep the ground that we're 166 00:07:45.519 --> 00:07:48.920 saying things like I've never said that in my life. 167 00:07:51.560 --> 00:07:54.279 I like it though, so. 168 00:07:53.839 --> 00:07:57.680 So they were saying, you know, if you think aliens 169 00:07:57.680 --> 00:08:02.519 are demons, you're retarded. And you know, yes, that's that's 170 00:08:02.519 --> 00:08:05.879 an accurate description of us. But I've come to a 171 00:08:05.879 --> 00:08:07.079 lot of that idea. 172 00:08:07.240 --> 00:08:09.879 Sure it's reductive aliens or demons, but the overlap, the 173 00:08:09.920 --> 00:08:12.319 correlating data points between both phenomena. 174 00:08:12.399 --> 00:08:16.639 Let's say demonic encounters saying you're gay, yeah, like your shirt, right, 175 00:08:16.680 --> 00:08:17.800 the leading is gay. 176 00:08:17.879 --> 00:08:20.360 Yeah, obviously it's not gay. We do it all the time, 177 00:08:20.839 --> 00:08:24.040 but it depends on what you're. 178 00:08:23.279 --> 00:08:26.839 Right, right, right, So, but we remove the nuance for 179 00:08:26.920 --> 00:08:30.560 this sake of instigating conversations. So if I go aliens 180 00:08:30.600 --> 00:08:33.039 their demons, I would hope that an individual would go, well, 181 00:08:33.039 --> 00:08:33.799 what do you mean by that? 182 00:08:33.840 --> 00:08:36.840 And I would say, fantastic, send them your butthole. I 183 00:08:36.840 --> 00:08:38.000 wouldn't do that. I wouldn't do that. 184 00:08:38.000 --> 00:08:41.480 I would say, well, if you look at abductee testimony 185 00:08:41.559 --> 00:08:46.360 versus a demonic encounter testimony, which is all anecdotal, admittedly right, 186 00:08:46.399 --> 00:08:48.879 because it's not hard data points, but you would find 187 00:08:48.919 --> 00:08:52.480 a staggering amount of overlap data points between one phenomenon 188 00:08:52.519 --> 00:08:55.360 and the next. In fact, if it was event diagram, 189 00:08:55.559 --> 00:09:00.080 the center section I think would greatly outsize the outer section. 190 00:09:00.360 --> 00:09:04.919 And so it is not inherently retarded to say that 191 00:09:04.960 --> 00:09:06.080 they're the same phenomenon. 192 00:09:07.360 --> 00:09:09.360 Uh, but you know, within. 193 00:09:09.159 --> 00:09:12.639 The CCC they are continually saying this, and to the 194 00:09:12.679 --> 00:09:15.759 extent that Timothy Alberino starts to tweet kind of in 195 00:09:15.840 --> 00:09:19.000 back to back fashion and and and I would say 196 00:09:19.039 --> 00:09:23.279 his greatest tweet was summarized as if you are getting 197 00:09:23.720 --> 00:09:30.159 your alien information from Nephilum podcasters, you are retarded. 198 00:09:30.440 --> 00:09:33.279 That's the logo. That's literally the branding of the show. 199 00:09:33.360 --> 00:09:37.279 Like it's honestly, look, it says retarded. Yeah, it says 200 00:09:37.320 --> 00:09:39.240 retard too above our Nephilam skull. 201 00:09:40.000 --> 00:09:41.639 That is exposure there. 202 00:09:42.120 --> 00:09:44.879 So we've got to assume that you're talking about us. 203 00:09:44.960 --> 00:09:47.120 If you're not talking about us, you're talking about our people, 204 00:09:47.279 --> 00:09:48.759 which equally is egregious. 205 00:09:48.799 --> 00:09:51.159 We were sitting there and was like, fuck me, what 206 00:09:51.919 --> 00:09:52.799 did I do? What I do? 207 00:09:53.159 --> 00:09:56.559 So you know, the kind of short of it is, 208 00:09:56.639 --> 00:10:00.320 I started to mock him relentlessly, ill rest like tested 209 00:10:00.360 --> 00:10:03.200 it and it was accurate and right, and then he lied. 210 00:10:03.399 --> 00:10:04.960 This this is a long story, but he lied to 211 00:10:05.039 --> 00:10:07.240 kind of go back. But David puts a video of 212 00:10:07.279 --> 00:10:09.399 him whipping a mirror in his bathroom. 213 00:10:10.200 --> 00:10:12.159 Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, And he goes, if I 214 00:10:12.200 --> 00:10:14.600 was dressed like Indiana Jones. For those who don't know, 215 00:10:14.960 --> 00:10:18.200 Timothy Albarino is an archaeologist who dresses on ironically like 216 00:10:18.240 --> 00:10:22.080 Indiana Jones regularly in his everyday life, not when he's 217 00:10:22.080 --> 00:10:25.240 scaling megalithic structures. When he's going to Walmart in Public's, 218 00:10:25.480 --> 00:10:29.159 he is dressed like Indiana Jones, and so I thought, well, 219 00:10:29.200 --> 00:10:30.840 I like that outfit, and I don't think he should 220 00:10:30.879 --> 00:10:33.120 have a stranglehold on you know that outfit? 221 00:10:33.159 --> 00:10:34.759 I think I should have it too. And so I 222 00:10:34.840 --> 00:10:36.799 dressed like him, and I whipped the mirror and I said, 223 00:10:36.840 --> 00:10:38.720 if you think aliens are demons, you're retarded. 224 00:10:39.039 --> 00:10:40.759 But I never tagged him. I set a little trap 225 00:10:40.799 --> 00:10:44.080 for him, and he came out and he said, Uh, 226 00:10:44.120 --> 00:10:45.720 do you want to act like a child or would 227 00:10:45.720 --> 00:10:47.720 you rather have an adult conversation about this? And I 228 00:10:47.759 --> 00:10:50.360 said why, why would you think this is about you? 229 00:10:50.919 --> 00:10:53.120 And so you know that's how the whole thing kind 230 00:10:53.120 --> 00:10:53.840 of starts. 231 00:10:54.240 --> 00:10:56.279 And you know. 232 00:10:58.320 --> 00:11:00.080 It's a saga. It's a saga, and I don't I 233 00:11:00.120 --> 00:11:01.720 wanted to take up the entire time. But this does 234 00:11:01.840 --> 00:11:04.399 lead into everything. It leads apologizing to him. 235 00:11:04.480 --> 00:11:07.120 I did apologize because we went absolutely insane out him. 236 00:11:07.360 --> 00:11:11.000 But he challenges me to a debate. I, for the 237 00:11:11.000 --> 00:11:13.519 life of me, cannot figure out what we would be debating, 238 00:11:13.639 --> 00:11:16.440 except for maybe the aliens or demon's topics. I start 239 00:11:16.480 --> 00:11:19.519 to look into his content to decide what points are 240 00:11:19.519 --> 00:11:21.440 we going to have contention on. And I find that 241 00:11:21.519 --> 00:11:24.480 this man ten years ago is making documentaries and he 242 00:11:24.639 --> 00:11:28.159 is saying things that I tend to agree with that 243 00:11:28.240 --> 00:11:32.919 you could summarize them as the Vatican will help facilitate 244 00:11:33.440 --> 00:11:37.519 a deception in the form of alien disclosure, and from 245 00:11:37.559 --> 00:11:40.519 this alien disclosure, the Antichrist will emerge. 246 00:11:40.519 --> 00:11:43.440 Now that's a little bit in in front of the Vatican. 247 00:11:43.600 --> 00:11:45.440 He's yeah, he's actually saying in front of the Vatican 248 00:11:45.480 --> 00:11:46.559 in his videos. Yeah. 249 00:11:46.600 --> 00:11:50.559 And I don't know if you could definitively say the Antichrist, 250 00:11:50.639 --> 00:11:51.759 the man of pradition. 251 00:11:51.720 --> 00:11:55.279 The lawless one, will come from this disclosure. 252 00:11:55.360 --> 00:11:57.919 But what I can say is good, it's a good guess, 253 00:11:58.120 --> 00:12:00.639 and I like it, and it is also sexy. But 254 00:12:00.720 --> 00:12:04.279 what I can start to feel a little uneasy about is, well, 255 00:12:04.279 --> 00:12:07.200 why are you giving me pushback when I say it's demonic? 256 00:12:07.840 --> 00:12:11.240 When I say that it's it's you know, aliens are demons, and. 257 00:12:11.159 --> 00:12:13.320 You go no, no, no, no, no, no no. But surely the 258 00:12:13.799 --> 00:12:14.600 Christ will come from it. 259 00:12:14.600 --> 00:12:16.360 I go, wait, wait, wait, how are we not speaking 260 00:12:16.360 --> 00:12:19.480 the same language? So you know, we we have this discussion, 261 00:12:19.679 --> 00:12:22.440 and uh, I won't get too much in the weeds 262 00:12:22.480 --> 00:12:28.759 on the debate, but it is the debate was actually civil, 263 00:12:29.320 --> 00:12:30.440 pretty civil two hours. 264 00:12:30.639 --> 00:12:32.159 We let him talk holy crap. 265 00:12:32.279 --> 00:12:35.320 And then afterwards it went downhill because he accused us 266 00:12:35.320 --> 00:12:37.039 of He's like, you'll never release this, and we're like, 267 00:12:37.120 --> 00:12:42.759 he said, we're demons, demons, the aliens are you can demons. 268 00:12:42.799 --> 00:12:45.840 And it's say that somebody was gargling him. That was 269 00:12:46.039 --> 00:12:50.080 you know, they they were, they were. But the timing 270 00:12:50.120 --> 00:12:52.399 of it, Chris, and this brings us to the bigger 271 00:12:52.440 --> 00:12:57.240 conversation was right before. So we started to think, well, 272 00:12:57.240 --> 00:12:58.879 it seems like he's positioning himself. 273 00:12:59.080 --> 00:13:00.559 Well, it'd be sort of a tall walking head. 274 00:13:00.639 --> 00:13:02.840 Let's also put like, like put some more players out 275 00:13:02.840 --> 00:13:06.279 in the Christian Community conspiracy in the CCCS. 276 00:13:07.399 --> 00:13:09.639 Here to the ground of the CCC for. 277 00:13:09.600 --> 00:13:13.120 The rumblings of the comers and gorumble, the movers and shi. 278 00:13:14.440 --> 00:13:15.799 As a matter of fact, I shouldn't even put this 279 00:13:15.840 --> 00:13:16.559 green thing here. 280 00:13:16.600 --> 00:13:20.919 That's not so. Yeah, these guys blurry creatures. They're like 281 00:13:21.039 --> 00:13:22.720 probably top three. 282 00:13:23.440 --> 00:13:26.519 Podcasts within this Christian community space, like but they're like 283 00:13:26.600 --> 00:13:30.000 real in the CC like like Christian how you'd see 284 00:13:30.000 --> 00:13:31.840 it in a church, not our show. 285 00:13:32.919 --> 00:13:36.080 Our shows people like we believe in Jesus Christ, but 286 00:13:36.440 --> 00:13:37.879 not we're also terrible people. 287 00:13:37.919 --> 00:13:40.600 You wouldn't Yeah, we wouldn't fit in that bubble anyway. 288 00:13:40.639 --> 00:13:43.840 They start following me on Twitter, like the day of yeah, 289 00:13:44.159 --> 00:13:47.120 maybe the day before or a few days before the 290 00:13:47.399 --> 00:13:51.399 Alba accusation, pointing. So I'm like, which these guys are? 291 00:13:51.600 --> 00:13:54.600 If I wasn't together very intimately, yeah, they're they're they're 292 00:13:54.720 --> 00:13:58.039 no authoring books and ship And if I wasn't on there, 293 00:13:58.120 --> 00:14:00.799 if I wasn't a conspiracy theorist, I would have been 294 00:14:00.919 --> 00:14:03.480 hype and I would have reached out and said, hey, 295 00:14:03.879 --> 00:14:06.399 thanks for the follow together, would you like to do 296 00:14:06.480 --> 00:14:08.919 a show? Love your show even though I don't watch it, 297 00:14:09.240 --> 00:14:12.879 but I go wait a second, and it like makes 298 00:14:12.919 --> 00:14:15.559 the hairs on my next stand up, and I tell David, Yeah, 299 00:14:15.720 --> 00:14:17.799 I tell Matt, and they all tell me that I'm crazy. 300 00:14:18.039 --> 00:14:20.240 I don't worry. Don't know. You're looking too far into this. 301 00:14:20.360 --> 00:14:21.960 I think you were looking at it pretty accurate. 302 00:14:22.039 --> 00:14:24.399 I was looking at that shit like directly in front 303 00:14:24.440 --> 00:14:26.360 of my face. A second, none of this adds up. 304 00:14:27.000 --> 00:14:28.879 We get attacked. Those guys are following me, So now 305 00:14:28.919 --> 00:14:31.200 I feel like I have the eyes of Son on me. 306 00:14:31.399 --> 00:14:32.799 Yeah, and some of the. 307 00:14:32.720 --> 00:14:37.159 Eyes of the Christian communities, uh, Christian community, communacy community, yeah, 308 00:14:38.159 --> 00:14:42.159 networks into the ground. They're they're telling me to behave 309 00:14:42.840 --> 00:14:45.240 in a Christian manner, right, they want you And when 310 00:14:45.240 --> 00:14:47.159 they say behave in a Christian manner, that means fit 311 00:14:47.240 --> 00:14:48.000 inside this box. 312 00:14:48.000 --> 00:14:49.000 As I attack you. 313 00:14:48.919 --> 00:14:52.279 And do not and start shit with with Alberino, don't 314 00:14:52.320 --> 00:14:54.360 push back. That's how Burno is kind of the golden 315 00:14:54.399 --> 00:14:57.000 calf of that of that community right there, right now. 316 00:14:56.840 --> 00:14:58.399 And I go, no, fuck that. Yeah. 317 00:14:58.440 --> 00:15:00.720 So, I like we're seeing all these things converging, and 318 00:15:00.759 --> 00:15:02.480 I was like, something's happening here. This is a weird 319 00:15:02.519 --> 00:15:06.919 ap It looks like we're supposed to be a sacrificial lamb. 320 00:15:07.159 --> 00:15:09.720 So to speak for him to come and kill us 321 00:15:10.320 --> 00:15:13.559 or embarrass us and then do the rounds. Yeah, so 322 00:15:13.559 --> 00:15:18.159 so he does directly after. It's insane, Chris, It's insane. 323 00:15:18.200 --> 00:15:19.919 So but you can go back to the episodes of 324 00:15:19.919 --> 00:15:22.720 me saying this and Matt's sitting there going no no 325 00:15:23.120 --> 00:15:23.759 for the audience. 326 00:15:23.840 --> 00:15:28.399 Alberino has more of a perspective that these are physical 327 00:15:28.440 --> 00:15:32.440 extraterrestrials and it's separate from the phenomena of demons. 328 00:15:32.440 --> 00:15:34.120 He says, specifically physical. 329 00:15:34.200 --> 00:15:36.519 Right at the top of the show, Chris, you said 330 00:15:36.519 --> 00:15:38.919 that you feel as though it's more spiritual or metaphysical, 331 00:15:39.000 --> 00:15:40.720 you know, and I would agree with that. It's a 332 00:15:40.759 --> 00:15:43.159 mincing of vocabulary, right, But like we're talking very much 333 00:15:43.159 --> 00:15:46.440 about the same thing, this intangible, non physical element to 334 00:15:46.480 --> 00:15:51.919 the phenomenon. However, he's he maintains there is no spiritual 335 00:15:51.960 --> 00:15:54.240 He just got on Rogan and said, there's nothing spiritual 336 00:15:54.279 --> 00:15:55.000 about it, uh huh. 337 00:15:55.039 --> 00:15:55.519 Which is. 338 00:15:57.200 --> 00:16:00.759 If you're if you're dealing with this entire phenomena, which 339 00:16:00.799 --> 00:16:05.360 is mostly intangible. You have the reverse engineer technology and 340 00:16:05.399 --> 00:16:08.240 what that could do for us zero point energy, YadA YadA. 341 00:16:08.320 --> 00:16:11.600 But when it comes to the abduction phenomenon and the 342 00:16:11.639 --> 00:16:15.320 actual encounters that individual have with the entities. 343 00:16:15.240 --> 00:16:16.519 They ride the line. 344 00:16:17.399 --> 00:16:21.639 They blur the line between physical and non physical to 345 00:16:21.679 --> 00:16:25.080 such a degree that experiencers have a real hard time 346 00:16:25.120 --> 00:16:27.960 pinning down what actually happened to them, if it was 347 00:16:28.000 --> 00:16:31.559 actually physical, if their astral form or spirit was removed 348 00:16:31.559 --> 00:16:35.519 from their body and taken elsewhere. This abduction phenomenon is 349 00:16:35.519 --> 00:16:39.200 all over the map, and for him to say blanketly 350 00:16:39.200 --> 00:16:42.360 that there's no I mean, he'll he'll bog you down 351 00:16:42.480 --> 00:16:46.120 and go, well, define the spiritual realm because he maintains 352 00:16:46.120 --> 00:16:48.600 that it doesn't exist in any meaningful way, which is 353 00:16:48.679 --> 00:16:51.639 like good good luck, good luck. That's like asking a 354 00:16:51.679 --> 00:16:55.240 fish to define you know, air or something like that. 355 00:16:55.320 --> 00:16:58.120 Like it's it's not gonna happen. It's something that we've 356 00:16:58.159 --> 00:17:01.480 struggled with for the longest time. It's the backbone of 357 00:17:01.559 --> 00:17:05.200 all of our mythology and our religious. 358 00:17:04.400 --> 00:17:07.279 We know it's there, but yeah, bring your bring your receipts, 359 00:17:07.319 --> 00:17:09.319 is what we were told him. Well, bring our supernatural, 360 00:17:09.480 --> 00:17:11.200 bring our supernatural repeed. 361 00:17:11.319 --> 00:17:11.480 Right. 362 00:17:11.640 --> 00:17:13.279 Most of this, most of the show that we do 363 00:17:13.440 --> 00:17:17.039 and you do, is kind of conjecture. It's like witness testimony. 364 00:17:17.119 --> 00:17:20.319 I mean, sometimes we'll get solid information, but good luck 365 00:17:20.359 --> 00:17:22.960 proving who killed JFK. Like, yeah, I'm not gonna be 366 00:17:23.000 --> 00:17:24.839 able to have a video to trace the bullet that 367 00:17:24.880 --> 00:17:27.119 goes through his neck, yeah, and which gun it came from, 368 00:17:27.160 --> 00:17:30.319 who was holding It's like we can only point to evidence, 369 00:17:30.359 --> 00:17:32.519 we can only kind of guess. Yeah, And he'll say, 370 00:17:32.559 --> 00:17:35.440 rehire their visions, by the way, and it's like, you know, Chris, 371 00:17:35.480 --> 00:17:37.720 You've had experiences, You've come on our show to talk 372 00:17:37.720 --> 00:17:41.039 about those experiences. And if somebody lizardly in you and 373 00:17:41.240 --> 00:17:42.759 stood in front of your face and said, no, the 374 00:17:42.759 --> 00:17:47.119 thing that you had was strictly a vision, your inability 375 00:17:47.160 --> 00:17:51.319 to articulate exactly what it was has nothing to do 376 00:17:51.720 --> 00:17:54.880 with your ability to deny the simplicity of a vision. 377 00:17:55.000 --> 00:17:57.200 It's like, no, no, no, this was more than a vision. 378 00:17:57.279 --> 00:18:00.119 I may not have the vocabulary to tell you exactly 379 00:18:00.160 --> 00:18:03.400 what happened, but I experienced something that was not a 380 00:18:03.519 --> 00:18:08.279 nighttime hallucination or something like that. This was tangible, riding 381 00:18:08.279 --> 00:18:11.519 the edge of physical and spiritual. Hard to define. 382 00:18:11.720 --> 00:18:13.440 But this is what this guy's doing is he's stepping 383 00:18:13.519 --> 00:18:16.519 up to the plate, ignoring the thousands of testimonies from 384 00:18:16.640 --> 00:18:19.599 ABDUCTI victims and going, no, these are visions. 385 00:18:19.920 --> 00:18:21.119 These are either. 386 00:18:21.039 --> 00:18:24.279 Strictly happening in a physical sense, or you know, there's 387 00:18:24.319 --> 00:18:26.319 there's something else going on. It's all in the mind 388 00:18:26.440 --> 00:18:28.720 of the individual. And if you talk to them like 389 00:18:28.759 --> 00:18:32.640 I said, they're going no, no, no. My spirit was 390 00:18:32.880 --> 00:18:36.720 seemingly taken out of my body and transported elsewhere, and 391 00:18:36.759 --> 00:18:40.440 within that elsewhere, there's still what seems to be physical 392 00:18:40.519 --> 00:18:44.279 operations having you know, happening to the individual even though 393 00:18:44.279 --> 00:18:46.200 it's their spirit form whatever you want to call it, 394 00:18:46.319 --> 00:18:49.720 their actual form this or that they're still lying on 395 00:18:49.799 --> 00:18:52.400 a table, they're still being operated on. It is a 396 00:18:52.599 --> 00:18:58.359 very confusing phenomenon to throw that segment out of spirituality 397 00:18:58.559 --> 00:19:01.039 and even you know, spread seeds of doubt on it 398 00:19:01.119 --> 00:19:04.119 is like, dude, you've done that. This is a bulk 399 00:19:04.119 --> 00:19:07.000 of the phenomenon, a bulk of the phenomenon, I would say. 400 00:19:07.240 --> 00:19:10.839 And it's crazy how the timeframe in which just happens, 401 00:19:10.839 --> 00:19:14.319