1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:02,680 Speaker 1: Give me fuel, give me five, give me that's out 2 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:02,879 of that. 3 00:00:06,839 --> 00:00:09,919 Speaker 2: Welcome to the Surely You Can't Be Serious podcast. That 4 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:12,240 is such an awesome song. It's not what we're here 5 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:15,199 to talk about today. Sorry, we are here today to 6 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:19,559 talk about Metallica. Metallica. Welcome back, Jason. How you doing 7 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:21,679 manut I'm good man. It's been a long time. You 8 00:00:21,719 --> 00:00:23,600 and I have been gone for a couple of weeks. Yeah, 9 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:27,280 we happened to run into each other running of all places, 10 00:00:27,719 --> 00:00:29,839 and so that was nice. That was a revisit of 11 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:32,799 the spawning of our podcast. Those runs we used to 12 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:33,719 do together all the time. 13 00:00:33,799 --> 00:00:36,079 Speaker 3: It's crazy were I just started for a little run 14 00:00:36,119 --> 00:00:37,759 and then you dragged me on a bigger run. 15 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:41,200 Speaker 2: That's funny how that always works up. Well, I'm prepping 16 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:43,759 for marathon, man, I know, I know. Good for you. 17 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 3: We are back after two weeks off. We have reissued 18 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:50,479 some podcasts. We did Nirvana's Nevermind. We did pro Jams ten, 19 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:53,200 which we did about a year ago to sort of 20 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:55,439 kick off this Fall of ninety one thing that we're. 21 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:57,439 Speaker 2: Doing right now. Yeah, the day that we're recording two 22 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:00,359 day is the thirtieth anniversary of Pearl Jams. Ten album 23 00:01:00,359 --> 00:01:03,200 being released. I know, it's crazy. Thirty years thirty years, 24 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:05,159 So thirty years for all of these albums. You got 25 00:01:05,159 --> 00:01:09,359 thirty years for Ozzy Osbourne No More Tearss, You've got 26 00:01:09,359 --> 00:01:13,040 thirty years for Metallica Black You've got thirty years for 27 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:15,799 Use Your Illusion one and two, which we're going to 28 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:18,519 compare it to this album. I mean, all of these 29 00:01:18,519 --> 00:01:21,920 things are hitting their three decade mark and they're still amazing. 30 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 3: There was a lot happening the fall of ninety one. 31 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:26,719 It's going to be super fun and super cool to 32 00:01:26,719 --> 00:01:29,439 get into it. We were watching some of these videos 33 00:01:29,439 --> 00:01:32,439 with the Metallica Black stuff, and I was going through it, 34 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:36,120 and that album is so timeless. It seems so recent 35 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:38,879 in my memory. When they're looking at like the Persian 36 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:41,640 Gulf War who while they're recording, I'm like, wow, that 37 00:01:41,719 --> 00:01:42,680 kind of dates it for me. 38 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:45,359 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, all right, so you ready, I'm ready, 39 00:01:45,439 --> 00:01:48,159 let's do this. Okay, we're going to discuss the history 40 00:01:48,159 --> 00:01:51,239 of the band, and then we're going to get into Metallica. Metallica, 41 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:55,000 the album that brought Metallica into the mainstream, cost a 42 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:58,319 million dollars to make, was remixed three times and ended 43 00:01:58,359 --> 00:02:00,599 three marriage pretty big. 44 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 3: The band it's pretty big. This is otherwise known as 45 00:02:03,319 --> 00:02:04,000 the Blackout. 46 00:02:12,759 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 2: Okay, So, beginning the history of Metallica, you have two 47 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:19,400 major players in the band. You have mister James Headfield 48 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:22,560 and you have mister Lars Ulrich. There are other members 49 00:02:22,599 --> 00:02:24,520 of the band that come and go along the way, 50 00:02:24,599 --> 00:02:27,520 but these guys are the ones that originated the band, 51 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:30,800 and they're the ones that have been the driving force 52 00:02:30,879 --> 00:02:34,840 behind their songwriting and their rise and stay in fame. Yes. 53 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:39,639 So James was raised in California. His dad left when 54 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:42,639 he was thirteen years old. His mom died when he 55 00:02:42,719 --> 00:02:45,879 was sixteen years old, which left him living with his brother. 56 00:02:46,159 --> 00:02:48,479 He got into music. That was kind of a way 57 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:50,759 to relieve the pain from the fact that he now 58 00:02:50,879 --> 00:02:54,159 was parentless. He was pretty quiet in high school, kept 59 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:56,520 to himself, and he had a couple of bands that 60 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:59,639 he started. One was called Phantom Lord okay Yeah, and 61 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:02,960 then that one eventually disbanded and then led into another 62 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:06,520 one called Leather Charm, and that band did the new 63 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:10,120 wave of British heavy metal sound. They were covering bands, 64 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:12,319 which is interesting to think about because you think about 65 00:03:12,319 --> 00:03:14,560 Metallica and you think about def Leppard and how their 66 00:03:14,599 --> 00:03:17,120 world's apart. But in eighty one they were doing the 67 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:17,560 same thing. 68 00:03:17,759 --> 00:03:20,039 Speaker 3: The branches of the tree were a little closer together 69 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:21,080 in the early. 70 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:25,039 Speaker 2: Eighties exactly exactly, Okay. So eventually that band disbanded and 71 00:03:25,439 --> 00:03:28,960 James began looking for another band to put together. Well, 72 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:32,719 right about this time, a guy named Lars Ulrich, who 73 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:35,919 was a tennis prodigy from Denmark, had also moved out 74 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:38,719 to California. As it turned out, even though he was 75 00:03:38,759 --> 00:03:40,759 like one of the top ten players in Denmark, he 76 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:43,719 wasn't even like the top five on his street once 77 00:03:43,759 --> 00:03:46,479 he got to the US. Right before we get going, 78 00:03:46,639 --> 00:03:49,120 I just want to point something out. We have been 79 00:03:49,159 --> 00:03:52,439 talking to each other now for a couple of years, 80 00:03:52,719 --> 00:03:55,520 face to face, and one of the reasons that I 81 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:57,439 can do that is because you don't have nose hair. 82 00:03:58,759 --> 00:04:00,759 Have you been talking to people like you can't even 83 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:03,199 concentrate on what they're saying because of their nose hair? Absolutely, 84 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:06,719 they like tuck to you. It dangles, yes, it wiggles. 85 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:09,719 It's a total distraction. 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Whack it perfect. 113 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:30,399 Speaker 3: I heard him say that that was really funny, I thought, 114 00:05:30,959 --> 00:05:31,399 and so. 115 00:05:31,519 --> 00:05:34,279 Speaker 2: He and when he realized that his dentist dreams were 116 00:05:34,319 --> 00:05:37,360 probably not going to come to fruition, he got obsessed 117 00:05:37,439 --> 00:05:39,560 with the local heavy metal scene that was going on 118 00:05:39,639 --> 00:05:42,920 there in California, and so he started putting out ads 119 00:05:43,199 --> 00:05:46,319 in the recycler to try to put a band together. 120 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:48,879 And as it turned out, a couple of guys that 121 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:50,920 had heard about the ads were these guys named Hugh 122 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:55,040 Tanner and James Hetfield, and so they met up and 123 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:58,399 James and Lars immediately hit it off. They both had 124 00:05:58,439 --> 00:06:02,000 interest in the same types of music. That is how 125 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:03,319 the seed is planted. 126 00:06:03,439 --> 00:06:08,959 Speaker 3: That's Ales born October twenty eighth, nineteen eighty one. 127 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:13,439 Speaker 2: So when they first start playing together, James is pretty 128 00:06:13,439 --> 00:06:15,800 good at the guitar. He's not fantastic, but he's pretty good. 129 00:06:16,199 --> 00:06:21,600 He described Lars as pretty bad, okay, pretty not good, 130 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:24,160 pretty not very good. But what had Lars had going 131 00:06:24,199 --> 00:06:27,199 from him was he knew this guy named Brian Slagel 132 00:06:27,399 --> 00:06:32,040 of metal Blade Records, and he was going to put 133 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:37,399 together this compilation album of metal music called Metal Massacre. Right, 134 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:40,439 that's right, And so Lars not even having a band, 135 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:43,040 just because he knew the guy, said hey, I want 136 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:45,759 to put a track on this album, and Brian was like, okay, sure, well, 137 00:06:45,959 --> 00:06:48,199 I just I need more people. Let's make that happen. 138 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:48,480 Speaker 4: Right. 139 00:06:48,639 --> 00:06:52,199 Speaker 3: That song that they gave to that metal compilation was 140 00:06:52,279 --> 00:07:09,959 Hit the Lights. 141 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 2: Okay, So they had a song, but they didn't have 142 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:19,279 a name yet. Do you know this? Okay, this is 143 00:07:19,279 --> 00:07:21,160 a really cool story. This is kind of crazy. So 144 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:23,240 they they didn't know what their name was going to 145 00:07:23,279 --> 00:07:25,720 be yet, and they had this Lars had this other 146 00:07:25,839 --> 00:07:29,160 friend named ron Quintana, right, say what you will, man, 147 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:34,600 that guy can roll. Sorry different anyway, ron Quintana was 148 00:07:34,639 --> 00:07:38,439 going to make a metal magazine, right, his his dream 149 00:07:38,519 --> 00:07:41,240 was to have this magazine. So he's tossing around ideas 150 00:07:41,279 --> 00:07:45,040 for names with Lars and he's like, I'm thinking either 151 00:07:45,759 --> 00:07:50,279 metal Mania or Metallica, and Lar's ears perk up and 152 00:07:50,319 --> 00:07:53,240 he's like, I really like that metal Mania name. You 153 00:07:53,279 --> 00:07:58,439 should go with that, and so he did, and Lars 154 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:00,800 stole the name Metallica for the name of the band. 155 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 3: That's hilarious, What a great story that is. 156 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:05,879 Speaker 2: They also when they would hand out their stuff, they 157 00:08:05,879 --> 00:08:08,240 would call it power metal. This was before the term 158 00:08:08,439 --> 00:08:11,399 thrash metal, right right play, and so they called it 159 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:14,160 power metal. Well, power metal was also something that he 160 00:08:14,199 --> 00:08:18,040 had stolen from Ron Quintana. It was on his business card. 161 00:08:18,079 --> 00:08:19,639 He's like, oh, power metal, I like that. I'm gonna 162 00:08:19,639 --> 00:08:22,279 steal that one too. So that's how they got power metal, 163 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:24,120 and that's how they got their name. 164 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:27,519 Speaker 3: Did you know where the term thrash metal actually comes from? 165 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:29,319 Speaker 2: No? Tell me? Okay. 166 00:08:29,519 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 3: So there's this Anthrax song called metal Thrashing mad. 167 00:08:44,799 --> 00:08:47,039 Speaker 2: Yeap that Krang Magazine. 168 00:08:46,639 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 3: Just thought that sna cool and they just said they 169 00:08:48,799 --> 00:08:50,120 just grabbed that and said thrash metal. 170 00:08:50,159 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 2: And there's really I mean, there's no question about what 171 00:08:52,399 --> 00:08:55,919 the sound of thrash metal is versus other types of 172 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:59,440 heavy metal, right right, And Metallica becomes one of the 173 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:08,919 big four. You've got Megadeth, you take them all the manner, 174 00:09:09,519 --> 00:09:13,639 You've got Anthrax, you've got Metallica, and you've got Slayer. 175 00:09:13,919 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 4: Huh. 176 00:09:25,519 --> 00:09:27,440 Speaker 2: By the way, it was the gym like two days ago. 177 00:09:27,799 --> 00:09:29,480 And have you ever been there with the guy's like 178 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:31,720 lifting the weight really high and stomp at his feet 179 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:33,279 and then just throws it down and it's like this, 180 00:09:33,639 --> 00:09:35,679 I'm like, God, why do you do this? And I 181 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:38,320 looked over it. He's got this huge Slayer tattoo on 182 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:40,679 his calf muscle, and I'm like, this guy's a true fan. 183 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:45,000 This guy's a hardcore fan that he's gonna tattoo Slayer 184 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:45,840 on his calf. 185 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:49,639 Speaker 3: That guy is really mad and loves the Satan. Don't 186 00:09:49,639 --> 00:09:51,720 mess with him. Okay, before we go any further, d 187 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:55,240 is thrash metal your thing? Are you like a thrash 188 00:09:55,279 --> 00:09:56,159 metal guy or what? 189 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 2: Okay, so we are ultimately going to get into the 190 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:01,120 fact that this album different than the albums of the 191 00:10:01,159 --> 00:10:04,879 priest right of Metallica. The answer is simply no, I'm 192 00:10:04,919 --> 00:10:07,320 not a thrash meadow guy. I never got into it, 193 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:08,720 and I still I am not into it that much. 194 00:10:08,759 --> 00:10:12,639 I can like, if you get thrash with some melody 195 00:10:12,759 --> 00:10:14,840 in it, like we get on the Black album, right 196 00:10:14,879 --> 00:10:17,559 and a little bit on Injustice for All. Yes, I'm 197 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:20,200 all in. I worked out to it today, love it, 198 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:25,399 but just this constant just it just sounds the same 199 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:26,759 to me. Over and over and so no, it's not 200 00:10:26,799 --> 00:10:27,120 my thing. 201 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:29,519 Speaker 3: Okay, so we should go ahead and get that out 202 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:32,320 if you're listening to this. I was talking to our 203 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:35,279 buddy James Buckley this week and trading text. 204 00:10:35,159 --> 00:10:35,879 Speaker 2: With him a little bit. 205 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 3: We are fans of music, but we like def Leppard 206 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:43,840 and Michael Jackson and bon Jovi, and the Black Album 207 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:47,399 really resonated with us. But we're not hardcore Metallica people. 208 00:10:47,519 --> 00:10:49,759 But we're in We're in this, We're enjoying it, we're 209 00:10:49,759 --> 00:10:50,440 having fun with it. 210 00:10:50,519 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 2: I'm glad you brought up James Buckley because I texted 211 00:10:52,799 --> 00:10:55,360 him too. Hey, let's let's get a hold of the James. 212 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:58,879 What's going on? And he sent me this article out 213 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:02,639 of Modern Drummer from way back in the early nineties 214 00:11:02,639 --> 00:11:06,039 where Lars Ulric has the cover and has a big interview, 215 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:08,720 and it's talking about the difference between what they had 216 00:11:08,759 --> 00:11:11,440 done before the Black Album and what he did with 217 00:11:11,519 --> 00:11:13,320 the Black Album, and it made a lot of sense. 218 00:11:13,399 --> 00:11:17,039 He said, we had gone so far with this progressive metal, 219 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:19,679 where you've got the syncopated rhythms, you've got the change 220 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:23,159 in time signature, and it began to really center around 221 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:25,840 the drums, but he said, you know, he took it 222 00:11:25,879 --> 00:11:28,039 this far, but when he's in concert, he just felt 223 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:30,240 himself being all in his head. He's like, Okay, I 224 00:11:30,279 --> 00:11:32,279 got this time change coming up here, and I've got 225 00:11:32,279 --> 00:11:34,120 this other thing that I'd be worried about here, and 226 00:11:34,159 --> 00:11:37,080 he couldn't live and experience it because he was so 227 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:39,360 much in his head. Now, they had some songs that 228 00:11:39,399 --> 00:11:42,799 weren't so technically difficult on the drums, and he found 229 00:11:42,879 --> 00:11:45,360 himself able to relax and kind of live in the music. 230 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:47,720 And so he thought, well, we're either going to take 231 00:11:47,759 --> 00:11:49,960 it further down the progressive road, which I don't think 232 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:51,759 I want to do, or we're going to go back 233 00:11:51,759 --> 00:11:54,120 to basics and we're going to have something that has 234 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:57,720 soul and has more. I mean, it's simpler, but it's 235 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:00,200 something that you can put your soul in too. 236 00:12:11,759 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, and we'll talk about that as we go through 237 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:16,879 track by track. It's gonna be awesome. These songs are 238 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:19,639 different than what they're used to. I asked my friend 239 00:12:19,759 --> 00:12:22,320 James Branscomb, Okay, a different guy, guy I go church with. 240 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:24,840 And I'm like, all right, listen, I'm not really fully 241 00:12:24,919 --> 00:12:30,840 understanding the epicness of the early Metallica stuff. He's like, well, 242 00:12:30,879 --> 00:12:33,200 you have to understand that every song is three songs 243 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:36,440 in one, right. It's super complicated, and it goes and 244 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:38,440 it weaves and it comes here and does this and 245 00:12:38,759 --> 00:12:39,840 turns around and comes back. 246 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:41,440 Speaker 2: That's not the Black album at all. 247 00:12:41,799 --> 00:12:44,759 Speaker 3: No, they get a hook and they pound it to 248 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:47,399 death and they rode that wave all the way at 249 00:12:47,399 --> 00:12:47,720 the top. 250 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 2: And I'll say this because you and I have talked 251 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:51,840 about this, and we talked about it when we were 252 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:55,399 talking about the grunge movement and rock and roll music 253 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:59,720 being about a revolution. Right. So Metallica made itself a 254 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:04,240 band without any mainstream help. Like they weren't having singles 255 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:07,320 played on the radio, they weren't on MTV. I mean 256 00:13:07,799 --> 00:13:10,200 the first video they had on MTV was one that's 257 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:13,720 off their fourth album, It's Crazy, And yeah, they're playing 258 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:16,120 arenas by this point. So they've made their own name 259 00:13:16,159 --> 00:13:18,360 without all of this help. And part of that is 260 00:13:18,399 --> 00:13:21,840 that they're a revolution. They're a rebellion against the hair 261 00:13:21,919 --> 00:13:24,879 metal bands that were happening at the time. And that's 262 00:13:24,919 --> 00:13:28,399 what their fans loved was, Hey, we love these guys 263 00:13:28,519 --> 00:13:30,840 and we know about them, and other people don't like. 264 00:13:30,879 --> 00:13:33,720 That's kind of it's our secret. And so with the 265 00:13:33,759 --> 00:13:36,600 Black album, when this thing becomes more mainstream, when they 266 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:39,840 become more mainstream, I can see, I can understand how 267 00:13:39,879 --> 00:13:42,639 those guys were like, I've lost my band. I understand it. 268 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:43,320 I understand it. 269 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:45,759 Speaker 3: And I was thinking about this because I was talking 270 00:13:45,759 --> 00:13:48,639 again with James Buckley. I'm like, you know what am 271 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:51,240 I not getting? Because this album is so great? 272 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 2: Why are the. 273 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 3: Hardcore metallic fans rejecting it? And he said, well, it's 274 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:58,279 kind of like Van Halen's nineteen eighty four. Yeah, their 275 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:02,600 garage band who had gone on mainstream with these awesome songs, 276 00:14:02,759 --> 00:14:05,600 but they felt a little bit abandoned because now everybody 277 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:08,279 jumps in it's like, wow, I love Van Haleen, Wow 278 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:10,600 I love Metallica. And I was thinking to myself, I'm like, 279 00:14:10,639 --> 00:14:12,440 you know what this has happened to me. 280 00:14:12,639 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 2: Whenever I run into a twenty. 281 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:16,559 Speaker 3: Year old who tells me how great the Last Jedi is, 282 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:21,039 I want to freaking punch their lights out. 283 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:23,159 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, that's that's hysterico. 284 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:25,559 Speaker 3: I'm just like, shut the bobs, did you get out 285 00:14:25,559 --> 00:14:26,759 of here? We don't need to talk to you. 286 00:14:26,799 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 2: At all. Okay, all right, well we've preached on that 287 00:14:29,799 --> 00:14:33,720 soapbox I make a lot. Let's jump back into the history. Okay, 288 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:36,399 So Hit the Lights, the one that ended up on 289 00:14:36,519 --> 00:14:40,120 Metal Massacre. James Hetfield played the bass and they had 290 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:42,559 this guy named Lloyd Grant play the guitar. And so 291 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:46,000 this was not the Metallica that we know now. This 292 00:14:46,159 --> 00:14:48,960 was something completely different. So what they needed, because this 293 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:52,200 guy wasn't here to stay, they needed another lead guitarist. 294 00:14:52,679 --> 00:14:55,600 They put another ad out on the Recycler and one 295 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:57,480 of the guys that responded to that ad was a 296 00:14:57,519 --> 00:14:58,879 guy named Dave Mustain. 297 00:14:58,679 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 3: Dave Mustaine, who later creates one of the Big Four 298 00:15:01,759 --> 00:15:04,200 that you mentioned. He's the head guy for Megadeth. 299 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 2: He replied to their ad and they're like, Wow, he's 300 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:09,480 got some really expensive equipment. Let's get him. Yeah, let's 301 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:12,080 get him. And as it turns out, he could also 302 00:15:12,159 --> 00:15:13,000 shred on the guitar. 303 00:15:13,159 --> 00:15:13,399 Speaker 4: Yeah. 304 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 2: The problem was he could also shred on the alcohol bottle. Yeah. 305 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:20,360 And he even said it himself. He's like, there's two 306 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:23,320 types of drunks. There's the drunks that get silly and 307 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:26,240 the drunks that get violent and I'm the one that 308 00:15:26,279 --> 00:15:28,240 gets violent and they're the ones that get silly, and 309 00:15:28,279 --> 00:15:30,039 that's not a good mix. It's not a good mix. 310 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:33,039 But he's not. It's not been a good relationship. But 311 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:35,240 before I'm geting ahead of myself, I'm getting out off, 312 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:38,279 all right. So they get Dave Mustain. They have the 313 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:41,879 old bassis from Leather Charm named Ron McGovney, but they're 314 00:15:41,879 --> 00:15:44,120 not feeling like he's the right fit for the band. 315 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:46,639 So with this guy not really cutting it, they're trying 316 00:15:46,639 --> 00:15:49,200 to find another bass player and they end up going 317 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:52,679 to the Whiskey Goog in West Hollywood and there is 318 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:55,279 a San fran Francisco band named Trauma playing, And as 319 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:58,200 they walk in, they see this guy shredding a guitar 320 00:15:58,279 --> 00:16:00,600 solo and they're like, wow, this is the used guitars 321 00:16:00,639 --> 00:16:03,360 alto I've ever heard. And they're like, wait a minute, 322 00:16:03,879 --> 00:16:21,600 that guitar only has four strings. Wait a minute, that's 323 00:16:21,639 --> 00:16:23,600 not a guitar, that's a bass. Holy crap, this guy 324 00:16:23,679 --> 00:16:26,559 is playing a bass solo and he is killing it. 325 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:29,039 We got to talk to this guy. That guy's name 326 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:31,440 is Cliff Burton, Yeah, And so they go they talk 327 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:33,639 to Cliff. They say, hey, we want you in our band. 328 00:16:33,799 --> 00:16:36,720 He liked them. They were already party kids at like 329 00:16:36,799 --> 00:16:39,559 nineteen years old, right, and so he's like, Okay, I'm 330 00:16:39,559 --> 00:16:42,639 interested in being the band, but I'm not moving to LA. 331 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:44,600 You guys have to come up to the Bay Area. 332 00:16:44,639 --> 00:16:47,720 And they said, we hate LA. That sounds great. So 333 00:16:47,799 --> 00:16:48,480 that's so interesting. 334 00:16:48,519 --> 00:16:51,159 Speaker 3: Let's talk about that for a second ahead. So in 335 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:54,399 LA you've got the upcoming glam scene. I mean you've 336 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:56,879 got You've got Motley Crewe. Of course, that gives birth 337 00:16:56,919 --> 00:17:00,399 the Poisons and the Guns N' Roses and Doc the 338 00:17:00,399 --> 00:17:03,000 World right, Great White. All these bands are birthed out 339 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:06,000 of the LA scene. But Metallica just didn't really fit 340 00:17:06,079 --> 00:17:06,640 that mold. 341 00:17:06,799 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 2: These were guys instead of being in black leather and spandex, 342 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:12,799 Metallica's wearing their T shirts and jeans. They still had 343 00:17:12,799 --> 00:17:14,640 the long hair, but there was no hairspray. They had 344 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:16,960 facial hair, they didn't have makeup. This is the revolution 345 00:17:17,039 --> 00:17:17,319 that I. 346 00:17:17,279 --> 00:17:17,880 Speaker 4: Was talking about. 347 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:22,039 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'm not dressing up and having fake blood 348 00:17:22,079 --> 00:17:25,160 and doing weird things with you know, whips, and. 349 00:17:25,519 --> 00:17:28,119 Speaker 2: What's weird is more girls would go to the concerts 350 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:30,200 where the guys look like girls. Than the guys look 351 00:17:30,279 --> 00:17:33,519 like guys Metallica. I mean, I love them, but they're 352 00:17:33,559 --> 00:17:34,279 not handsome men. 353 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:38,920 Speaker 3: They're not good looking guys. That's right, that's okay, that's okay. 354 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:41,440 Speaker 2: So one of the guys that comes across it is 355 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:44,519 this guy named Jonathan Suzzula, but we knew him better 356 00:17:44,559 --> 00:17:48,359 as Johnny zy Z, and Johnny Z says, guys, I 357 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:50,440 love what you're doing. I am going to go to 358 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:52,160 New York City for you and I'm going to broker 359 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:54,359 a deal with you and one of the record companies. 360 00:17:54,519 --> 00:17:56,759 They're like, great, that sounds great. So he goes out 361 00:17:56,759 --> 00:17:59,839 there and gets turned down flat by every record company 362 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:02,200 New York City. So what he does and stead is 363 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:05,799 he finances it himself. Says, I'm gonna spend fifteen thousand dollars. 364 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:07,440 You guys are going to come out here. I'm going 365 00:18:07,519 --> 00:18:09,319 to have my own record label, and we're going to 366 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:13,119 record a record on that record label called Mega Force Records, 367 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:16,400 Mega Force, Mega Force. I don't think it has anything 368 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:18,599 to do with Lee Marvin or. 369 00:18:18,839 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 3: One of the great movies in nineteen eighty two. So 370 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:24,720 when they moved to New York, they moved into a 371 00:18:24,799 --> 00:18:28,720 luxurious condo that they said today would be called a 372 00:18:28,759 --> 00:18:31,759 crack house, and they slipt on floors like on U 373 00:18:31,799 --> 00:18:34,599 haul blankets and stuff like that, and they said, if 374 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:37,359 it was a great day, you had McDonald's most of 375 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:40,319 the time, they said, maloney on hand. 376 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 2: They called it loser's lunch, right right lunch because you 377 00:18:45,559 --> 00:18:51,319 can't afford sixty nine cents for bread. You don't have 378 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:56,559 three quota. So the album that they're planning to record 379 00:18:56,759 --> 00:18:59,279 is going to be called Metal Up Your Ass, right, 380 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:02,640 And the first thing that they tell Johnny Z when 381 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:05,160 they get there is, hey, thank you for the all 382 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:09,400 expense paid bus ride over here. By the way, We're 383 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:13,880 going to fire our guitar player. Yeah, like tomorrow, And 384 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:16,720 he's like, what the heck? So I'm not really sure. 385 00:19:16,799 --> 00:19:21,000 I'm not sure how that in that day and age 386 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:24,279 in the early eighties, the information traveled and was able 387 00:19:24,319 --> 00:19:27,319 to happen so quickly. But basically they were done with 388 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:30,160 Dave mustain right, So they wait, you know, let him 389 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:33,039 get drunk and pass out. They go and buy him 390 00:19:33,039 --> 00:19:37,599 a bus ticket home and then shake him awake and like, hey, dude, 391 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:39,319 you got to leave. Your bus is leaving in like 392 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:41,880 ten minutes He's like, what you like, you're not in 393 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:44,480 the band anymore. Here's your ticket, get out the door, 394 00:19:44,559 --> 00:19:49,200 and like, no second chance, no conversation, get out, and 395 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:52,880 that's he leaves. And at seven pm that night, Kurt 396 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:55,960 Hammett rips, it's incredible, it's crazy, he says. He gets 397 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:57,480 there at seven of the evening and these guys are 398 00:19:57,519 --> 00:19:59,720 just waking back up. He's like, these are my guys, 399 00:20:00,799 --> 00:20:03,640 these are my guys. So Kurk Hammett was with a 400 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:06,920 band called Exodus, and he could shred. He could shred 401 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:10,720 at the time, he can still shred today, phenomenal guitar player. 402 00:20:10,839 --> 00:20:13,640 And basically he just kept on going with him through 403 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:17,160 the recording. They would play live shows together. He then 404 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:19,480 became the guy that would break up the fistfights that 405 00:20:19,519 --> 00:20:21,920 would happen between Lars and James, which instead of happened 406 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,279 quite a bit, it'd be like somebody threw a punch 407 00:20:24,319 --> 00:20:26,400 and somebody's tackling somebody else, and I was the guy 408 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:29,839 that was tasked with stopping all of that. Mustaane goes 409 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:35,200 home bitter and jaded. He still like calls ham At 410 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:35,839 a rip off. 411 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's really mad at him. He feels like he 412 00:20:38,319 --> 00:20:40,279 stole his job. I mean, well, still his job. That 413 00:20:40,559 --> 00:20:43,839 guy has my job and his lips too. 414 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 2: I mean yeah. He thinks that he took songs that 415 00:20:47,559 --> 00:20:50,279 you know, guitar leads that he had done for songs 416 00:20:50,319 --> 00:20:53,240 that they had recorded demos for and just stole them. 417 00:20:53,319 --> 00:20:56,880 Speaker 3: Yeah. One of the metal magazines named Kirk Hammett Guitar 418 00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:59,119 Player of the Year. Yeah, and Davis says, like he's 419 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:00,799 playing myself right. 420 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:03,920 Speaker 2: Yeah. It was interviewing with that magazine and he's like, 421 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:05,640 and you guys made him Uitar Player of the year. 422 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:08,599 Speaker 3: Now here's the thing. We'll get into this later. But 423 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:12,359 Dave Mustain can't say the word Metallica. He can't look 424 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:14,559 at these guys. It's certainly not friends with them. He 425 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:18,279 can't even listen to their music and tell the Black 426 00:21:18,319 --> 00:21:21,119 Album and he's got something very interesting to say about 427 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:22,880 one of the songs on the Black Album. 428 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:26,440 Speaker 2: Can't wait to hear that, okay, little teaser? Yeah, stick 429 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:30,519 around all right. So they record their first album. It's 430 00:21:30,519 --> 00:21:33,319 got a picture of a hand with a dagger coming 431 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:37,799 out of a toilet and it's called Metal Up Your Ass. 432 00:21:38,319 --> 00:21:41,000 And the record company says, could we do something else? 433 00:21:41,279 --> 00:21:44,599 I can't really sell that at Walmart guys. Once again, 434 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:47,200 I mean, why don't you just ask us to put 435 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,880 a naked baby on the front of the album chasing 436 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:53,920 a dollar bill on a hook? Hey, exactly. So they 437 00:21:54,039 --> 00:21:56,960 changed the name to Kill Them All, Kill Them All, 438 00:22:08,559 --> 00:22:12,279 Kill Them All, released July twenty fifth, nineteen eighty three. 439 00:22:12,599 --> 00:22:17,119 Not a big commercial success initially, of course, right. It 440 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:20,680 has definitely sold a lot since then, right, Yeah, But 441 00:22:20,759 --> 00:22:24,400 at the time it led to them becoming a big 442 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:29,880 fan based, underground metal powerhouse. Sure, they start touring after 443 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,559 that one, they eventually record the next one. And I'm 444 00:22:32,599 --> 00:22:34,960 gonna run through these because my hope is that someday 445 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:38,519 we will dive into the thrash metal portion of metallogys life. 446 00:22:38,599 --> 00:22:40,319 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd love to get into some of these, like 447 00:22:40,599 --> 00:22:42,960 Ride the Lightning and Master Puppets. 448 00:22:43,039 --> 00:22:45,640 Speaker 2: Master Puppets is an amazing album, and I think that 449 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:47,880 we need I mean I think that and Justice for 450 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,680 All is a transition album and we can talk about that, 451 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,079 but we can't. We don't have enough time to do that, right, 452 00:22:53,079 --> 00:22:55,640 We're going to just roll through these, roll through these all, right. 453 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,160 So number two is Ride the Lightning came out in 454 00:22:58,200 --> 00:22:58,759 August of. 455 00:22:58,759 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 5: Eighty four, We're getting you know got July eighty three, 456 00:23:15,519 --> 00:23:16,599 August of eighty four. 457 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 2: That one actually hit number one hundred on the top 458 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:20,720 two hundred albums that year. 459 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 3: Hey, summer of eighty four, go back and listen. There 460 00:23:23,039 --> 00:23:26,480 are Bruce Springsteen and Huey Lewis episodes. It's funny to 461 00:23:26,519 --> 00:23:31,119 think that during that poppy summer of Thriller and Madonna 462 00:23:31,279 --> 00:23:34,640 and Bruce Springsteen you had Metallica's Ride the Lightning come up, 463 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,119 which shows that their fan base has to be huge, 464 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,400 right if there's again, there's no singles out there, not 465 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,359 on MTV, they're not any of that stuff. 466 00:23:42,559 --> 00:23:46,640 Speaker 2: But they're still hitting number one hundred. That's impressive. So 467 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,960 here's an interesting thing on Ride the Lightning. Not many 468 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,599 deep cuts in this, but here's one. Okay in France 469 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:58,200 that accidentally printed it green means have their collector's items. Now, 470 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:00,599 oh that is so cool. So if you are, if 471 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,000 you're a fan and you have one of the green 472 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:07,519 printed France Ride the Lightning albums, please send us a picture. 473 00:24:07,599 --> 00:24:10,000 We will post it on age. That would be awesome, 474 00:24:10,039 --> 00:24:10,720 It would be sweet. 475 00:24:10,799 --> 00:24:17,440 Speaker 3: It's called Ride Ze Lightning, not Germany. 476 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:17,759 Speaker 2: Thank you. 477 00:24:17,799 --> 00:24:18,039 Speaker 4: Doctor. 478 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:24,119 Speaker 2: Okay. After Ride the Lightning That was August of eighty four, 479 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,480 after its release. The next month, September of eighty four, 480 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:31,519 these guys named Michael Alago and Cliff Bernstein go to 481 00:24:31,599 --> 00:24:34,519 a concert and they see them and they say, we 482 00:24:34,559 --> 00:24:37,000 want to sign you to Electra Records. Yeah, and we 483 00:24:37,079 --> 00:24:39,079 also want to sign you to our management company called 484 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,200 Q Prime, And so they that becomes the new record 485 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,720 company and new management of Metallica. So they start touring Europe. 486 00:24:45,759 --> 00:24:48,480 They're playing to bigger and bigger houses, about thirteen hundred 487 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,400 people per show, which I mean, that's if you've ever 488 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,279 played a concert at all, a few hundred people's a 489 00:24:54,319 --> 00:24:58,440 lot over one thousand people's. That's in a shocking change. 490 00:24:58,759 --> 00:25:02,799 Speaker 3: Thirteen hundred wetty metal head stompers. 491 00:25:02,279 --> 00:25:05,920 Speaker 2: Ugly guys, ugly guy, and about five girls, That's right. 492 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,160 So they go back to the US. They start touring, 493 00:25:09,319 --> 00:25:12,079 co headlining with a band that we mentioned on our 494 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,000 Terminator episode. You know this, Dons and Roses is the 495 00:25:15,079 --> 00:25:18,440 only one I can think of. Wasp. Wasp Okay, yeah, 496 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:22,200 because remember Mikie Lewis was supposed to be the one 497 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:27,079 thousand Yes, So at that time they were touring with Wasp, 498 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:31,440 and then something very special happens the Monsters of Rock 499 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:35,480 Festival in England. This happens in August of eighty five, 500 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,400 and instead of playing thirteen hundred people, they're playing to 501 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:44,000 seventy thousand people. Seventy thousand, seventy thousand people. And then 502 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:45,799 not too long on for that, they do the day 503 00:25:45,839 --> 00:25:48,759 on the Green Festival and they played a sixty thousand people, 504 00:25:48,799 --> 00:25:52,880 So suddenly they've been exposed to a whole lot more folks. 505 00:25:53,319 --> 00:26:05,640 So then they record album number three, Master of Puppets, 506 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,480 which a lot of folks consider like like a perfect 507 00:26:10,519 --> 00:26:13,039 album album, right, Yeah, the best album that came out 508 00:26:13,079 --> 00:26:16,559 in March of nineteen eighty six. It reached number twenty 509 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,880 nine on the album two hundred Albums chart on Billboard, 510 00:26:20,279 --> 00:26:22,720 spent seventy two weeks on that chart. They only had 511 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:26,200 one single come off of that album, Master of Puppets, 512 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:30,079 But that's what led to the Ozzy Osbourne tour. 513 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 3: That's interesting because at this point in my life I 514 00:26:33,039 --> 00:26:36,400 started seeing guys in my school wearing Metallica T shirt. 515 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,519 Now these are still the guys that you know go 516 00:26:38,559 --> 00:26:41,079 across the street at lunchtime to smoke you. 517 00:26:41,039 --> 00:26:43,759 Speaker 2: Know, yeah, right, and the kind of the rougher edged people. 518 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:45,720 But it's slowly. 519 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,319 Speaker 3: Moving into people becoming familiar with them. 520 00:26:48,559 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And it moves from people being familiar with 521 00:26:52,039 --> 00:26:56,480 them to their playing the Colisseum opening for Ozzy Osbourne 522 00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,640 and people won't stop chanting their name, like they can't 523 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:06,839 get off the stage because the entire coliseums and we're like, wait, 524 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:08,440 isn't this the Ozzy Osbourne tour? 525 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, Ozzie said it was very hard to follow them 526 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:11,640 a lot of nights. 527 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't. I mean, Ozzie was what we were here? 528 00:27:15,319 --> 00:27:16,160 Who are we here to see? 529 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 3: And it's interesting we talk about Ozzy. Ozzy was sort 530 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,119 of fat and bloated, coked out Ozzie at this point. 531 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,319 True No More Tears comes out. That's his comeback album 532 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:27,880 after he sobers up. Right, It comes out Fall of 533 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:29,559 ninety one as well, so you have that in there 534 00:27:29,559 --> 00:27:29,920 as well. 535 00:27:30,039 --> 00:27:34,799 Speaker 2: Yeah. So during that time, James Hetfield broke his wrist 536 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,079 skateboarding and as you do when you're twenty two, right, 537 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,319 And so they had this guy who was Kirk Hammett's 538 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,720 guitar tech sub inform. Guy's name is John Marshall, a 539 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,880 little bit of true life foreshadowing for something that's going 540 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:50,880 to come up later on Yep. By the way, John 541 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:54,839 Marshall from the band Metal Church six foot seven, Big guy, 542 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,440 six foot seven, Wow. But it pays to know if 543 00:27:58,480 --> 00:27:59,799 you're going to be a roadie, if you're going to 544 00:27:59,839 --> 00:28:01,880 be guitar tech with a band, it pays to know 545 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,440 their music because you might end up on stage for them. 546 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:08,440 And this is the part that'll be hard to talk about. 547 00:28:08,799 --> 00:28:13,119 September twenty seventh, nineteen eighty six, they're on their Damage 548 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,880 Ink tour, going from Sweden to Denmark, or Denmark to Sweden. 549 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:21,400 They drew cards to pick bunks, and Cliff won and 550 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:25,720 picked Kirk's bunk. Cliff and Lars were the last two 551 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,759 to go to sleep. Lars went up front, went to 552 00:28:28,759 --> 00:28:32,200 sleep before Cliff, and that was the last time anybody dies. 553 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,400 Speaker 3: I heard Kirk recalling this story, and you're right. They 554 00:28:35,759 --> 00:28:39,119 drew cards out of a deck and the first card selected, 555 00:28:39,119 --> 00:28:42,720 Cliff got the Ace of Spades and that's the card 556 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:43,400 of death. 557 00:28:44,319 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 2: It's also the highest card in the deck. 558 00:28:46,079 --> 00:28:47,839 Speaker 3: Now, as soon as he drew that Ace of Spade, 559 00:28:47,839 --> 00:28:51,079 he's like, I want your bunk, pointing to Kirk. Kirk's like, fine, 560 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,039 that's why I just take it whatever. 561 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,759 Speaker 2: So Kirk could have easily fit in that spot. It's 562 00:28:56,799 --> 00:29:00,359 kind of like the way engineing story. Yeah, so just 563 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:05,039 before sunrise, the driver lost control of the bus for 564 00:29:05,319 --> 00:29:06,200 some unknown reason. 565 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,720 Speaker 3: He says black ice, right, He said he walked like 566 00:29:08,759 --> 00:29:11,720 a mile back in his underwear looking for black ice 567 00:29:11,759 --> 00:29:12,440 and couldn't find it. 568 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:12,960 Speaker 4: Right. 569 00:29:13,039 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 2: So, after the crash happened, you know, they they're disoriented, 570 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,079 they all are freaking out. They've James kicks out the 571 00:29:19,119 --> 00:29:21,599 back glass. They're all out, They're all like screaming, and 572 00:29:21,599 --> 00:29:24,160 then suddenly they realize they don't get close to us. Yeah, 573 00:29:24,519 --> 00:29:26,160 is that at that point that they look and they 574 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,559 see his legs coming out from underneath the bottom of 575 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:33,200 the bus. It's really interesting, you know, Cliff he had 576 00:29:33,279 --> 00:29:35,359 done a bunch of other kinds of music. He had 577 00:29:35,359 --> 00:29:38,200 done southern rock, he had done jazz, He had done 578 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,440 some classical stuff as well. He was really a very 579 00:29:41,759 --> 00:29:44,480 musically deep guy, which is kind of weird to think 580 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,440 of the bass player for a heavy metal band being 581 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,759 the deep music guy. But I remember reading an article 582 00:29:48,839 --> 00:29:51,559 that like just that the interview came out just before 583 00:29:51,599 --> 00:29:53,920 this all happened, and he was talking about how much 584 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:55,839 he left the Police album, the Synchronicity album. 585 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 4: Wow. 586 00:29:56,519 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 2: Musicians love music, and so they don't necessarily confine them 587 00:30:00,079 --> 00:30:03,160 so sure listening wise to one set of music. But 588 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,200 it's just neat to know that the bass player for 589 00:30:05,279 --> 00:30:07,799 Metallica had a deep appreciation for what was going on 590 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,319 with a very new wave sound. Yeah. 591 00:30:11,359 --> 00:30:14,079 Speaker 3: Tragically, he died that day in nineteen eighty six, and 592 00:30:14,119 --> 00:30:15,640 the band question in the future. 593 00:30:15,799 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, So they checked with his family. They said, Cliff 594 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,119 would want you to keep on going. They're like, you're 595 00:30:21,119 --> 00:30:23,839 absolutely right, that's exactly what he would want, And so 596 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,599 they started auditioning for a new bass player. Among the 597 00:30:26,599 --> 00:30:32,160 guys that auditioned was a childhood friend of Kirk's named 598 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:36,200 Less Claypool. Less Claypool who Will. You might not know 599 00:30:36,279 --> 00:30:39,079 the name, but if you heard his bass from the 600 00:30:39,119 --> 00:30:41,240 group Primus, it's unmistakable. 601 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 4: Yeah. 602 00:30:41,759 --> 00:30:43,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, they listened to him and they're like, ah, you're 603 00:30:43,759 --> 00:30:48,640 too good for us. Good luck in your future endeavors. Yeah. Yeah. 604 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:53,160 They had another guy, Troy Gregory, who had been with Prong, 605 00:30:53,319 --> 00:30:56,240 and they had this kid named Jason Newstead who was 606 00:30:56,279 --> 00:30:59,839 a super fan and had previously belonged to this group 607 00:31:00,039 --> 00:31:03,559 called Floatsome and Jetsam. He learned their entire set list 608 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,680 before he went to audition. Good for him, and it 609 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:07,400 got him the job. 610 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,319 Speaker 3: That's that's why you show up ready people for your 611 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:11,039 job interview. 612 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,599 Speaker 2: Yeah, and so they at the urinal decided, yeah, this 613 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,400 is the guy that they want as they're eating at 614 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,440 the restaurant or wherever. So they go out and they're like, sorry, 615 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,960 you didn't get it. It's like they're like, we're just kidding. 616 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,319 You got it. And he starts doing backflips off the table, 617 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,559 like dude, you get a chill, And at that point 618 00:31:27,799 --> 00:31:31,359 the hazing began. Yeah, they hazed the crap out of it. 619 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,279 They said. They told him, I can't remember like it was. 620 00:31:34,319 --> 00:31:37,960 They told him that some it was. It was a wasabi. 621 00:31:38,039 --> 00:31:40,079 It was a ball of wasabi sabi. Oh yeah, I 622 00:31:40,079 --> 00:31:43,480 try that. It's like putting or something. It's delicious, it said, 623 00:31:43,519 --> 00:31:48,359 hea'ts an entire spoonful of wasabi? A yeah, he was. 624 00:31:48,599 --> 00:31:50,400 I think they took out a lot of frustration on him, 625 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:51,400 and that's kind of unfortunate. 626 00:31:51,559 --> 00:31:53,240 Speaker 3: Well, they didn't want him to feel like he was 627 00:31:53,359 --> 00:31:56,119 just won the lottery. And walked into this band who 628 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,240 was mega successful, and hey, guys, here I am. I'm 629 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,200 just gonna start my millions with you all. So they 630 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,519 want him to earn his spot. Yeah, and maybe they're 631 00:32:04,519 --> 00:32:05,079 a little. 632 00:32:04,839 --> 00:32:08,000 Speaker 2: Tough on Yeah. So they were supposed to appear on 633 00:32:08,079 --> 00:32:12,000 Saturday Night Live in nineteen eighty seven, but Hatfield was 634 00:32:12,039 --> 00:32:16,039 skateboarding again and broke his wrists again. What and so 635 00:32:16,079 --> 00:32:18,240 they had to cancel. They would have I'm wondering what 636 00:32:18,279 --> 00:32:20,319 would have happened had they appeared on Saturday Night Live 637 00:32:20,319 --> 00:32:22,960 in eighty seven, now that they weren't already doing really 638 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,119 well at that point, but it wasn't the mind blowing 639 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,240 thing that it was once the next album came out. Interesting, 640 00:32:29,319 --> 00:32:32,240 I did not know that. Yeah, in August of eighty seven. 641 00:32:32,279 --> 00:32:34,119 You know, they've kind of been having an album come 642 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,480 out every year. August of eighty seven they had an 643 00:32:36,599 --> 00:32:39,200 EP come out and it's all covers and it was 644 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:43,839 called the five dollars ninety eight cent EP. Garage Days 645 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:48,119 re revisit it. Then they do a video that's called 646 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:52,279 Cliff a Mall and it's a tribute to Cliff as 647 00:32:52,599 --> 00:32:56,839 his bass solos, as home videos and photographs. I haven't 648 00:32:56,839 --> 00:32:58,440 seen it, but I'd really like to check that one out. 649 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:00,599 It's interesting. I'm going to tell this person story. You know, 650 00:33:00,799 --> 00:33:03,359 my mom passed away in eighty eight and I went 651 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,720 out to see my aunt and my cousins who I've 652 00:33:05,759 --> 00:33:08,319 spoken about before, the ones that I went into the 653 00:33:08,799 --> 00:33:13,440 Vacation Trading Places Risky business movie with, and they lived 654 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,680 in Castra Valley, which is just outside of San Francisco. Right. 655 00:33:17,279 --> 00:33:20,640 I can remember talking to my cousins who were also musicians, 656 00:33:20,759 --> 00:33:23,480 and then Metallica came up. I don't know how or why, 657 00:33:23,519 --> 00:33:25,240 but it came up, and they're like, oh, yeah, we 658 00:33:25,319 --> 00:33:28,319 knew Cliff. He was a really, you know, amazing guy. 659 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,200 And I was like, I don't really know who it was, 660 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:31,599 so didn't mean much to me at the time, and 661 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:33,440 maybe there was like he died, and I'm like, okay, 662 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,519 later on I remember that conversation, but I also know 663 00:33:36,599 --> 00:33:38,640 my cousins and I'm like, okay, maybe they're a little 664 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,400 full of it. Right right, Well, when I was looking 665 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,720 at Cliff Burton, he went to Castra Valley High School, 666 00:33:43,759 --> 00:33:47,200 like he literally like he was four years different in age, 667 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,759 and these guys they actually probably knew it all right, 668 00:33:50,319 --> 00:33:54,920 and then we have and Justice for All fourth album 669 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:59,319 September nineteen eighty eight, reaches number six on the two 670 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:03,519 hundred Albums charts, went platinum in nine weeks. This is 671 00:34:03,599 --> 00:34:06,039 kind of where I entered the scene. Absolutely where I 672 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,000 entered the well when the video for one comes out, right, 673 00:34:09,119 --> 00:34:11,559 that's where I entered the scene. Like you said, the 674 00:34:11,559 --> 00:34:13,599 thrash metal to me, it was all in the same 675 00:34:13,639 --> 00:34:16,280 category of Megadeath, iron Maid, and Anthrax. All of those 676 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,480 guys were not people I was interested in listening to. 677 00:34:20,119 --> 00:34:24,840 But I was an MTV devote me too, and when 678 00:34:25,199 --> 00:34:32,480 one came out, that video was mesmerizing. That song was incredible. 679 00:34:32,519 --> 00:34:36,039 I still it's my It is my favorite Metallica song 680 00:34:36,119 --> 00:34:40,079 of all albums and all songs. Okay, definitely, definitely. And 681 00:34:40,119 --> 00:34:43,039 I I passed the song to my eighteen year old daughter. 682 00:34:43,079 --> 00:34:45,239 I think she was probably seventeen or sixteen when I 683 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:46,880 had her listen to it for the first time. But 684 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:48,559 she's like, I want to learn how to play the drums. 685 00:34:49,159 --> 00:34:50,719 And I said, if you want to learn how to 686 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:52,360 play the drums, I need you to listen to the song. 687 00:34:52,519 --> 00:34:56,280 And so I played it for and she like it 688 00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,800 became her I'm playing this every single time we're in 689 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,039 the car song. Wow, it's amazing that double kick drum. 690 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:03,199 Yeah it's tough. 691 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:07,960 Speaker 3: Yes, but you're right that that video was super interesting 692 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,880 because I had some movie clips from Johnny Get Your Gun, 693 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,199 and yeah, it was sad and like, oh my gosh, 694 00:35:14,199 --> 00:35:16,400 this guy's trapped in his body and he can't talk 695 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,440 and he can't communicate and it's all in his head. 696 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,440 Speaker 2: And so normally in this situation the band would license 697 00:35:21,519 --> 00:35:24,840 the rights to use the movie in their video. They 698 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,119 bought the rights. They bought the rights to the entire film. 699 00:35:28,159 --> 00:35:29,880 So I think now if you ever, you know, if 700 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,079 you catch it on TV, Metallics getting a cut of 701 00:35:32,079 --> 00:35:33,960 that because they bought the rights to the movie. That 702 00:35:34,079 --> 00:35:38,280 is cool. Yeah. So they start doing the Damage Justice tour, 703 00:35:38,559 --> 00:35:42,880 and then they get nominated for a Grammy New category. 704 00:35:43,159 --> 00:35:45,360 Yeah hard rock. Okay, this is interesting. 705 00:35:45,519 --> 00:35:48,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, So the Grammys at this time, they're just kind 706 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:51,119 of recognizing hard rock, and it's like the people who 707 00:35:51,119 --> 00:35:52,199 are in charge don't even. 708 00:35:52,079 --> 00:35:54,960 Speaker 2: Really know what they're doing. Obviously, well we're going to 709 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:55,480 talk about this. 710 00:35:55,559 --> 00:35:58,719 Speaker 3: But Metallica was nominated and they were the favorite. Yeah, 711 00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,719 and they performed, they play were formed one killed It. 712 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:06,000 They're off stage prepared to receive this award, and the 713 00:36:06,119 --> 00:36:07,119 Grammy goes. 714 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:13,400 Speaker 2: To Jell What what, I'm sorry, did you say the 715 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:17,719 nineteen seventies hard rock at the fluid guy? What? Yeah, 716 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,679 don't even wrong. I love Jethrow Toll, but not in 717 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:25,440 nineteen eighty eight. What It makes no sense? Yes, no sense. 718 00:36:25,559 --> 00:36:28,280 Not only did it not make sense to us, but 719 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:32,360 it also didn't make sense to Jethro Tull's manager, who said, guys, 720 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:37,039 don't worry about coming, just stay home. Metallica is gonna win, right, Yeah, 721 00:36:37,199 --> 00:36:40,039 Jethrow Toll wasn't even there because they were sure that 722 00:36:40,039 --> 00:36:42,800 Metallica was going to win. This yeah, referred to as 723 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,159 one of the biggest upsets in Grammy history. I'm sure 724 00:36:45,199 --> 00:36:49,599 they'd like to do that over. Yeah. Could you just imagine, 725 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:51,719 I mean, just imagine that you're one of the members 726 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:55,360 of Metallica, You've just done this killer set, You're standing 727 00:36:55,519 --> 00:36:59,360 just off stage, ready to burst out, and the winner 728 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:03,360 is Jethro Tall. It's like all the air comes out 729 00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:04,000 of your boxy. 730 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,559 Speaker 3: This is like in nineteen eighty four if Michael Jackson's 731 00:37:07,559 --> 00:37:10,599 standing off stage and they're like Okay, the album of 732 00:37:10,639 --> 00:37:13,360 the Year is Donnie and Marie Osmond. 733 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:20,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, so that taste. And another thing that happened, which 734 00:37:20,559 --> 00:37:23,039 was the release of an album that we covered last 735 00:37:23,119 --> 00:37:26,199 year called Doctor feel Good by one of those hair 736 00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:30,199 bands that Metallica hated yep spawned a me. 737 00:37:30,559 --> 00:37:34,000 Speaker 3: It did because they weren't fans of Motley Crue, but 738 00:37:34,119 --> 00:37:37,000 that album sounded great in their ears, and they're like, 739 00:37:37,519 --> 00:37:39,159 who is the guy who produced that album? 740 00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:43,000 Speaker 2: Yeah? Now, the guy, mister Bob Rock, who we've talked 741 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,480 about before. He had been an engineer on the bon 742 00:37:45,599 --> 00:37:49,920 Jovie albums. He had produced Doctor feel Good and Aerosmith, 743 00:37:50,639 --> 00:37:54,360 and he had come from this little band called kolis 744 00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:58,039 Kalis Yes, who had a hit called Eyes of a Stranger, 745 00:37:58,079 --> 00:38:01,519 which was on the Balley Girls soundtrack. All right, it 746 00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:06,079 won the Juno Award for Single of the Year. What Yeah. 747 00:38:06,119 --> 00:38:08,320 But his career in music was not to be one 748 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,239 on the stage. He wanted to be producing, and so 749 00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,760 he went to a listen Metallic a live and he said, guys, 750 00:38:15,039 --> 00:38:18,000 glad you called. You are not capturing what you sound 751 00:38:18,119 --> 00:38:21,119 like live on your albums, and you need to because 752 00:38:21,119 --> 00:38:23,239 it's incredible and I can do that for you. Yeah, 753 00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:24,440 how do you not say yesterday? 754 00:38:24,679 --> 00:38:27,800 Speaker 3: I know Lars at the time was a little taken aback. 755 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:31,119 He's like, uh uh, who are you? 756 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:34,159 Speaker 2: You're talking to me? What? Yeah? But he was right. 757 00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,599 Speaker 3: The sound of the Black Album is one of the 758 00:38:36,599 --> 00:38:37,760 things that sets it apart. 759 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,360 Speaker 2: Dude. The lucky thing of wandering in stores as a 760 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,840 dad is that you wander by those five dollars CD creates, right, 761 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,199 And I'm like, was that the Black op? Holy crap, 762 00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:50,159 that's Blood Sugar Sex Magic. I'm like, oh, this is 763 00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:51,239 rage against the machine. 764 00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,960 Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, what, these are really five dollars the 765 00:38:54,079 --> 00:38:55,119 bargain ben. 766 00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,400 Speaker 2: So I bought all of these CDs and so when 767 00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,719 we're covering this, I usually don't pull out a CD 768 00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:02,559 to listen to, but this time I got to. And 769 00:39:02,599 --> 00:39:04,920 I know that music is supposed to be the same 770 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,800 in all digital formats, but I'm just going to tell 771 00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,599 you listeners, go listen to your CDs again, because when 772 00:39:10,599 --> 00:39:16,559 I plug that CD into my car and listened to Boom, 773 00:39:16,639 --> 00:39:19,280 I was like, Holy crap, this is so much better 774 00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:20,880 than what I'm listening to off of my phone. What 775 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,199 is going on here? Yeah, it's a better sound. 776 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,840 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, And people have gotten used to listening out 777 00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,880 of their crappy little device. Yeah, it makes a difference 778 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,679 with a good pair of speakers, a good set of headphones, 779 00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:33,599 and you laying on your back on the middle of 780 00:39:33,599 --> 00:39:35,719 the floor with the seating jacket open. 781 00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:36,199 Speaker 2: Yeah. 782 00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,199 Speaker 3: Okay, before we go anywhere, I want to do a 783 00:39:38,199 --> 00:39:41,400 couple of things. So this is such an epic project, 784 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,440 you know, the Black album means a lot to people. 785 00:39:43,599 --> 00:39:48,000 Usually Lusion one and two were certainly such big, massive, 786 00:39:48,039 --> 00:39:50,719 eventful albums in ninety one that we reached out to 787 00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:52,960 a couple of people and asked for their thoughts. So 788 00:39:53,039 --> 00:39:55,480 our buddy John Reid from the thirty something Movie podcast, 789 00:39:55,519 --> 00:39:58,360 good friend of ours. He also co hosts the podcast 790 00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,920 Full of Kryptonite, which we do with him together. Go 791 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,760 check that out, by the way, podcast Full of Kryptonite, it's. 792 00:40:03,599 --> 00:40:06,840 Speaker 2: All thanks Superman. Gotta love it. Go check that out. Subscribe. 793 00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:08,519 Speaker 3: But I just I talked to him. I know he's 794 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,480 a huge Guns and Roses, a Metallica fan, and I 795 00:40:11,559 --> 00:40:12,920 just asked for his thoughts and here's what he. 796 00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,400 Speaker 1: Said, Dan Jason, it's your good buddy, John Reid, the 797 00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:18,400 host of the thirty something Movie podcast and co host 798 00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,719 of the absolutely amazing podcast Full of Kryptonite that I 799 00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:25,039 co host with two of my very best super friends, 800 00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,119 which just happened to be you guys. Just want to 801 00:40:27,159 --> 00:40:30,880 say I've been loving your shows lately, Terminator, Aliens, Now 802 00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:34,239 Metallica and GNR. You guys are hitting up all of 803 00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:38,360 my favorites, all of my adolescent formative years, movies and 804 00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,599 music and all kinds of stuff. So it's just been 805 00:40:40,639 --> 00:40:42,480 so much fun to listen to you guys, and you 806 00:40:42,559 --> 00:40:45,159 guys are as always knocking it out of the park. 807 00:40:45,199 --> 00:40:46,880 I just wanted to call in real quick and just 808 00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,880 drop a line and just say GNR, Metallica. I mean, 809 00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,039 that was big for me. Those are probably my two 810 00:40:52,079 --> 00:40:55,199 biggest bands that I was into as a kid. Actually 811 00:40:55,199 --> 00:40:58,159 had an opportunity to go see Guns and Roses in 812 00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,079 Paris in June of ninety two. I had some friends 813 00:41:01,079 --> 00:41:03,760 I was living overseas at the time in England, had 814 00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:05,559 some friends that were going. I mean we were only 815 00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,079 eleven twelve years old at the time, but their parents 816 00:41:08,119 --> 00:41:10,320 were taking them, and my mom found out and they 817 00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,400 actually invited me to go with them. The parents were 818 00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:13,760 going to take me, and my mom found out and 819 00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:15,880 said no, I'm not. My eleven year old child is 820 00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,440 not going to go see Guns and Roses in another country, 821 00:41:18,639 --> 00:41:20,400 So I did not get the chance to go see 822 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,840 that one, which then, ironically that was right before you 823 00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,599 had the tour that started up that was Metallica and 824 00:41:26,679 --> 00:41:29,360 Guns and Roses together, so which we kind of know 825 00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,719 how that thing all ended up. But yeah, no, I 826 00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,039 loved Guns and Roses. My first exposure was Use Your 827 00:41:34,079 --> 00:41:36,360 Illusion Volume two, which I had one of my buddies, 828 00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,360 Like I said, he made a bootleg copy for me, 829 00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,440 and I kept that hidden in my jacket pocket so 830 00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,320 that my parents would not find it. And then it 831 00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:46,679 was a pretty long stretch of time until I finally 832 00:41:46,679 --> 00:41:49,320 got Use Your Illusion Volume one. Next few years, we 833 00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,079 moved back to the States and I was a moody, 834 00:41:51,119 --> 00:41:53,960 angsty teen and Use Your Illusion Volume one was the 835 00:41:54,039 --> 00:41:57,639 perfect album for that time period in my life. Volume two, 836 00:41:57,679 --> 00:42:01,400 I'd say, Yesterday's Get in the Ring any Angsty preteen 837 00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:05,199 or teen is an awesome song just because anybody who's 838 00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:07,280 heard it knows exactly why. And then you could be mine, 839 00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,239 you know, knowing I was a big Terminator fan that 840 00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,880 that one was from that movie, and I was able 841 00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,960 to hear it there and just a great song. Volume one. 842 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,840 I think Double Talkin' Jive, Garden of Eden, and Coma. 843 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,719 They were the much darker songs and I think those 844 00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:22,559 are the ones that I really liked from that album. 845 00:42:22,599 --> 00:42:25,039 Then on into high school, I was into Got some Friends, 846 00:42:25,119 --> 00:42:27,719 then got me into Metallica, and so in Metallica. On 847 00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,840 the Black Album, I'd say Sad but True, Wherever I 848 00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,400 May Roam and The Unforgiven are probably three of my 849 00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:35,920 favorites off of that, and Metallica kind of carried me 850 00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:37,719 through high school. I kind of switched a little bit 851 00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,280 from Guns N' Roses to Metallica, So i'd have to say, now, 852 00:42:40,559 --> 00:42:42,239 if I had to look back on them, which one 853 00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:44,159 is the best? I think I'm probably going to go 854 00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,199 Use Your Illusion Volume two. I still enjoy Metallica, but 855 00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:50,119 I've swung back to listening to Guns and Roses a 856 00:42:50,119 --> 00:42:52,320 little bit more often, and I think it's probably more 857 00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,000 my all time favorite. If I had to choose, if 858 00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:58,239 anybody was asking my opinion, I would say Guns N' Roses, 859 00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:00,880 Use Your Illusion Volume two is the best out of 860 00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,360 those three. All right, guys, good luck on the rest 861 00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,320 of your recordings, and thank you so much, and thank 862 00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,280 you for all you guys do to just continue to 863 00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,360 entertain and inform us and just all the great shows 864 00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:11,760 you guys are putting out. We'll see you later for 865 00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:13,039 some more Superman episodes too. 866 00:43:13,159 --> 00:43:16,679 Speaker 2: Okay, that's interesting. We'll see whether we agree with John 867 00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:18,760 or not at the end. I guess John's a great dude. 868 00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:19,559 He's got a great show. 869 00:43:19,559 --> 00:43:22,119 Speaker 3: At the Thirty Cents of Movie podcast, they go all 870 00:43:22,159 --> 00:43:24,519 through their movies that are thirty years old, so they're 871 00:43:24,519 --> 00:43:25,880 going through ninety one right now. 872 00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:27,840 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, these albums are coming out right at the 873 00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,159 same time that the movies that they're discussing are coming 874 00:43:30,199 --> 00:43:32,440 out as well. Thanks Jean, appreciate you, buddy. Okay, guys, 875 00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,039 if you've listened this far, please if you haven't yet, 876 00:43:35,199 --> 00:43:38,760 hit that follow button, hit that subscribe button, whatever podcast 877 00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,239 app you're using to listen to us, make sure that 878 00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,239 you hit that so that when our episodes come out, 879 00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,480 they automatically come to your phone and you don't miss 880 00:43:45,639 --> 00:43:48,360 a moment of the Surely you can't be serious podcasts 881 00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:51,280 and go follow us on Facebook and on Twitter. We 882 00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,199 are having a heck of the time. Okay, guys, if 883 00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:56,400 you would like to be an executive producer of a podcast, 884 00:43:56,519 --> 00:43:59,239 we have a very easy and inexpensive way to make 885 00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:03,920 that happen. Go over to our Patreon page. 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We really could not do this without 897 00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:41,920 you guys. Thank you. 898 00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,159 Speaker 2: So I think that means it's time for us to 899 00:44:44,199 --> 00:44:56,400 plug in our CD. Here we go, why track? Wait? Sorry, 900 00:44:56,639 --> 00:45:01,679 next week? Next week? Stupid record player ever