Speaker 1: I'm Ray. You're Codega, here to lead you through the
Speaker 1: shadows of the unknown. My journeys have carried me across
Speaker 1: hidden corners of the world, two places steeped in wonder,
Speaker 1: whispers and unanswered questions. Walk with me as we uncover
Speaker 1: ancient civilizations, unravel unexplained phenomena, and chase the legends that
Speaker 1: refuse to die. Welcome to Codega's Codex of Curiosities.
Speaker 2: All right, everyone, Welcome back to another episode of Codega's
Speaker 2: Codex of Curiosities.
Speaker 1: My name is Ray.
Speaker 2: I'm the Codega, here to guide you on these strange, weird, mysterious,
Speaker 2: unexplainable adventures. And speaking of adventures, we got one for
Speaker 2: you today, Missy Lay who's experienced a pale crawler. Now,
Speaker 2: I know a lot of people have their doubts with
Speaker 2: pale crawlers, but Missy goes into extreme depths, not just
Speaker 2: with her experience, but she starts exploring this phenomena, this
Speaker 2: cryptid or whatever you want to call it. This is
Speaker 2: her time to shine and to show you all the
Speaker 2: work that she's done. All right, now, I want to
Speaker 2: give a shout out to Cult of Conspiracy for having
Speaker 2: me on as one of their affiliates. They have a
Speaker 2: fantastic channel and a fantastic group of listeners. So if
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Speaker 2: so you can get even more of this great content.
Speaker 2: All right, let's get to it and welcome Missy to
Speaker 2: the channel. All right, Missy, welcome to Codega's Codex of Curiosities.
Speaker 3: Oh, thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 1: Definitely looking forward to this me too.
Speaker 3: I'm excited. I haven't done one of these in a
Speaker 3: long time.
Speaker 1: So what do you tell our listeners and our viewers
Speaker 1: a little bit about yourself and maybe where they can
Speaker 1: find you?
Speaker 3: Okay, sure, yeah? Really?
Speaker 4: Just I you know, I was working in marketing and
Speaker 4: living a pretty standard life. Dare I don't say normal,
Speaker 4: you know what's normal? But I everything's was going pretty good.
Speaker 4: Had a house, a husband, a little boy at home.
Speaker 4: And what what brought me into this field basically is uh,
Speaker 4: I was headed home from my mom's house and it
Speaker 4: was a Sunday, and I know that because I always
Speaker 4: go see my mom on's Sunday. And I rounded this
Speaker 4: corner and I could see I could see something I
Speaker 4: hadn't ray, and I thought, Okay, it's a deer. But
Speaker 4: I'm getting closer and something's not making sense. It's not
Speaker 4: a deer and it's this pale, emaciated humanoid. It's on
Speaker 4: all fours, like just dead in the center of the road.
Speaker 4: And by the time I'm like on the thing, I'm
Speaker 4: had a complete stop just staring at it. Its mouth
Speaker 4: was like gaping open, like it was like it was
Speaker 4: on a hand, almost like a scream face, but just
Speaker 4: like like and no sound was coming out in that part.
Speaker 4: Like I think about that party even today, I get chills.
Speaker 4: And this was like twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1: It was a while ago, well not that long ago, but.
Speaker 4: Yes, right, so well it seems like forever ago and
Speaker 4: then yesterday at the same time. True because after that,
Speaker 4: like also, you know, and I can get into more
Speaker 4: you know what happened when I was sitting there, But
Speaker 4: it was like I never looked back, like I have
Speaker 4: not been able to put it down. I think I
Speaker 4: said the other day to someone, you know, like I'm
Speaker 4: one of those people. I'm like, we're going to the
Speaker 4: rabbit hole, and then we're like all the way into
Speaker 4: the middle of the earth.
Speaker 3: We've almost reached magnum and I'm like, we're there, guys?
Speaker 3: Were they?
Speaker 4: And I look up and everyone else's gone home, and
Speaker 4: I'm like, just just me, just me standing there.
Speaker 3: But I it was.
Speaker 4: It disturbed me so much just because you you think
Speaker 4: you know the world right, and then if this exists,
Speaker 4: and I know this thing was real, then what what
Speaker 4: else could be out there? And it just raises all
Speaker 4: kinds of questions about the reality we live in. If
Speaker 4: it you know, what is reality even? And what are
Speaker 4: these things? And I ended up after the experience, it
Speaker 4: got to me so bad. I saw a therapist and
Speaker 4: he was great. Really he made me angry when I
Speaker 4: like when I first sat down with him, but he
Speaker 4: ended up saying something and this was the this was
Speaker 4: the catalyst it all. He was like, you know, Missy,
Speaker 4: have you considered that there are other people who have
Speaker 4: maybe experienced something similar to what you did? And I
Speaker 4: was like, because when when he planted that seed that
Speaker 4: that would play in my head over and ever, have
Speaker 4: you considered there's other people who've experienced something similar? And
Speaker 4: it was like I could hear it echo in my head.
Speaker 4: It was like it had acoustic to it. When I
Speaker 4: would hear a replay, I'm like, what is this guy's
Speaker 4: Jedi mind tricked me? So I started looking into it,
Speaker 4: and as it turns out, there are a tremendous amount
Speaker 4: of people who've had experiences with the entity that I
Speaker 4: described seeing in the road that night.
Speaker 1: It's like PCA, Pale Crawlers, anonymous. You know, it's kind
Speaker 1: of like you need to find support groups or something
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 3: It's well, it's true.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna I'm gonna suggest that anybody he's looking for
Speaker 4: support don't go on Reddit.
Speaker 3: Don't don't go.
Speaker 4: Don't go and Reddit looking for support because they can
Speaker 4: be vindictive. Oh well, they can be. It's a cesspool.
Speaker 4: I was here sometimes, you know.
Speaker 1: It is like, you know what, like when I was
Speaker 1: describing earlier that that glitch in the Matrix thing that
Speaker 1: I had, and I posted that on on Reddit and
Speaker 1: glitchen the matrix, and of course there are people, Yeah,
Speaker 1: there are people there. They're like, oh, you have like
Speaker 1: you must have mental problems or something like that, you know,
Speaker 1: and it's oh and and they're literally trying to diagnose me,
Speaker 1: and oh, you had you had a seizure. That's what
Speaker 1: happened you had a sear.
Speaker 4: And I'm like, we all know that you're saying these
Speaker 4: things from your mom's basement.
Speaker 3: How can you feel like.
Speaker 4: You know, yeah, that that they are so judgy and
Speaker 4: for it to be for these subreddits to be places
Speaker 4: for people to talk about craziness, you know, and and
Speaker 4: then they get judging about the craziness.
Speaker 3: Uh. What kills me is when they'll.
Speaker 4: Okay, so they say something nasty to you and you
Speaker 4: say something back, and it embarrasses them, so before you
Speaker 4: can even reply, they block you.
Speaker 3: Like yeah, it's wild.
Speaker 1: It's wild, Like I do say, like Reddit has that,
Speaker 1: but it also has there is some benefits to it.
Speaker 1: I have found, like, you know, some some gems on there,
Speaker 1: like I I I don't know if you've recalled my
Speaker 1: my episode that we had when I was at the
Speaker 1: Lost Frequency with Ginger. She she had some abduction alien
Speaker 1: abduction stories and then she had some other uh crazy
Speaker 1: other stories as well, and uh and and she was
Speaker 1: on Reddit. It was kind of like we we we
Speaker 1: found each other on Reddit and she's like, oh, I
Speaker 1: listened to your podcast and so we ended up connecting
Speaker 1: and she's like, oh, I have some crazy well, she
Speaker 1: had posted about a crazy story and I'm like, hey,
Speaker 1: would you mind talking about it? And she found out
Speaker 1: who I was and was pretty excited to come on.
Speaker 1: So there are some there are you know, you you
Speaker 1: can't find like the the diamond in the rough.
Speaker 4: I guess you could say absolutely there are some gems
Speaker 4: on there. My one of my very best friends, one
Speaker 4: of my favorite people in the world. His name is
Speaker 4: Ethan Hey then by the way, Hayes Gret and he's
Speaker 4: like a true researcher, you know, like a like he
Speaker 4: doesn't he can put emotions to the side, and a
Speaker 4: lot of people lack this ability. It doesn't matter what
Speaker 4: hurt your feelings. We're trying, like a lot of us
Speaker 4: are just trying to get to the bottom of this,
Speaker 4: which maybe we might never you know, but if you're
Speaker 4: gonna get caught up in the bullying and trying to
Speaker 4: tell someone they didn't experience what they absolutely know they did.
Speaker 4: Like when you have had an experience like that and
Speaker 4: someone invalidates you, Oh the pain. It's like it hurts
Speaker 4: almost as bad as or sometimes worse than having the
Speaker 4: actual experience, and wondering, like wondering who am I and
Speaker 4: what's my place in the world?
Speaker 3: Now, There are definitely some gems.
Speaker 4: I started on Reddit talking about the things that I
Speaker 4: was because I had sat back for a long time
Speaker 4: and watched people and how difficult they could be. And
Speaker 4: I wanted that because I was like, if I'm going
Speaker 4: to talk about this, like, I want to be able
Speaker 4: to do so in a way that I'm not getting
Speaker 4: caught up in logical fallacies. So like, I scold myself
Speaker 4: on that. And because you can't really when you're you
Speaker 4: can argue logic all day long. If someone's set in
Speaker 4: their beliefs, you're not going to change. You're not gonna
Speaker 4: change their mind. But you're definitely not going to change
Speaker 4: anybody's mind if you're just constantly appealing to emotion.
Speaker 3: And you should feel sorry for me.
Speaker 4: And and this is the way it is, because I
Speaker 4: said so and all the you know, the ad hominine attacks.
Speaker 3: But I went on a tangent. I apologize.
Speaker 1: No, that's why it's funny that you say that, you know,
Speaker 1: you schooled yourself on the logical fallacies. I've done the
Speaker 1: same thing, you know, like the Red Harry, you know
Speaker 1: at hominine attacks. Yeah, the Straublem and you know, they're
Speaker 1: all out there, and of course we're the ones who
Speaker 1: have to actually look into and discover them. Whereas the
Speaker 1: people who deny the experiences that have happened, you know,
Speaker 1: they just violate them all. And it's like, come on,
Speaker 1: like you can't have we can't have a decent conversation
Speaker 1: when you're denying things, and and that kind of stems
Speaker 1: to I will say, like there are certain camps when
Speaker 1: we get to certain cryptids that they're like, Nope, it's
Speaker 1: only this, or Nope, it's only that, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: we don't know, Like it could be only this and
Speaker 1: it could be only that, but we don't know, and
Speaker 1: there's too many other interaction or experiences or you know,
Speaker 1: people have had too many experiences where the WU as
Speaker 1: they call it, I don't really don't like that term,
Speaker 1: but you know, the WU the WO occurs and they
Speaker 1: their experience just gets thrown out because nope, nope, that
Speaker 1: doesn't count. And it's like, yeah, it's.
Speaker 4: Like we get on the internet and we argue like
Speaker 4: everything's black and white, and we all even go live
Speaker 4: our laves in the gray area, you know.
Speaker 1: Exactly, Yeah awesome, So let's uh, why don't you take
Speaker 1: us back into this experience. You know, let let's start
Speaker 1: from the beginning. Let's uh, you know, you said it
Speaker 1: was twenty eighteen, you know, was it the spring or
Speaker 1: fall or what time of year was it as well?
Speaker 3: Okay, so it okay.
Speaker 4: At first, I didn't remember if it was twenty eighteen
Speaker 4: or twenty nineteen, and everybody was like, oh, the mean
Speaker 4: ju line. But it doesn't mean your line. You know,
Speaker 4: unless you have something to anchor memory to, it's not
Speaker 4: gonna and you know, it's not gonna stick. I found
Speaker 4: out since when my mom passed, she kept a journal,
Speaker 4: at a very detailed journal about She didn't write about
Speaker 4: herself or she wrote about me, and so I was
Speaker 4: able to like kind of go back and watch her
Speaker 4: worry about Like, so it was twenty eighteen and it
Speaker 4: was spring because I could spell honeysuckles. I remember showing
Speaker 4: honeysuckles and my windows were down, and I remember that
Speaker 4: because my air conditioner and my tahee had gone out
Speaker 4: the day before, and so this is really strange. But
Speaker 4: as I'm coming around the curve, the smell of old
Speaker 4: man after shape, like an old spice type smell. Just
Speaker 4: it was overwhelming like so intense that my eyes were
Speaker 4: water and I thought, that's weird because I had this
Speaker 4: kind of fear coming out of nowhere at the same time,
Speaker 4: and I was smelling this weird smell, and I'm like,
Speaker 4: if somebody hiding in the back of my vehicle. Like
Speaker 4: so then when I rounded the crib, it kind of
Speaker 4: dissipated a bit, I would I didn't feel scared until
Speaker 4: I was like on this creature and I don't remember.
Speaker 4: I don't remember seeing hands or feet. I just remember, Actually,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna send you some pictures in a second. A
Speaker 4: friend of mine from Beyond the Fray Publishing, I'm sure
Speaker 4: you've heard of them. They published, like Steve said, yeah,
Speaker 4: he and Shannon Lagrave, great people. They had a artist like, actually,
Speaker 4: do a sketch of what I saw, and so I've
Speaker 4: got that, and it was it was okay. So your
Speaker 4: nervous system goes into fight like or freeze, right, and
Speaker 4: I phraze. I could like I couldn't move, and it
Speaker 4: seemed like eternity passed in that in those moments, and
Speaker 4: it couldn't have been more than just a few maybe
Speaker 4: even a minute. But I'm staring at this creature it's
Speaker 4: got these huge, like black eyes and they're round, not
Speaker 4: almond eyes like a gray. I got the sense that
Speaker 4: it was animal, and these senses that I talk about
Speaker 4: I got in that moment.
Speaker 3: I don't know where they came from.
Speaker 4: I don't know what, because I didn't have any any
Speaker 4: kind of comparison. You know, there was nothing like that
Speaker 4: that I'd ever seen before. I had, you know, what
Speaker 4: I know to be gray aliens that I'd seen on TV.
Speaker 3: But it wasn't that. It was. It was animalistic, it
Speaker 3: was humanoid. It had no hair.
Speaker 4: It was naked, and I say that and then thinking
Speaker 4: why would it have on clothes? But then why wouldn't
Speaker 4: it Because I had no idea what I was looking at.
Speaker 4: So and I'll smile when I talk about it now,
Speaker 4: but it like I had a hard time. I love
Speaker 4: to keep them crying sometimes because I was sitting there
Speaker 4: and at some point it gets up on its two
Speaker 4: back legs and the skin on this thing it almost
Speaker 4: looked like plastic stretched over bone.
Speaker 3: It was set. There was like no meat on this thing.
Speaker 4: But at some point it stands up on its two
Speaker 4: back legs and I'm I'm in the road, and it
Speaker 4: launches itself to the left of me, towards this field
Speaker 4: and lets out this screech that is set. I mean
Speaker 4: it my ears were ringing. It was so horrifying. It
Speaker 4: sounded like a combination between like a mountain lion and
Speaker 4: a woman being What's what did they tell me? I
Speaker 4: had to say, I can't say I'm unlived. Yeah, I
Speaker 4: didn't know you couldn't say the N word anymore. That
Speaker 4: apparently there's certain ones that you can't.
Speaker 1: It's crazy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well unlived then, yeah, like a combination of the two.
Speaker 4: It wasn't one or the other, but it was also
Speaker 4: I mean, I've grown up in the you know, I've
Speaker 4: lived in rural areas my whole life. My dad took
Speaker 4: me hunting when I was younger, I've gone hunting as
Speaker 4: an adult. I've never heard anything like that, and it
Speaker 4: was horrifying. So then I drove off and I have
Speaker 4: I'm blank, there's like no memory of where I was
Speaker 4: when this creature like took off and I started driving again.
Speaker 4: I don't remember putting my foot back on the gas nothing,
Speaker 4: And so then I'm pulled over on the side of
Speaker 4: the road and I'm trying to ease my phone and
Speaker 4: That was a really strange experience because I could not
Speaker 4: It was like I was looking at something foreign.
Speaker 3: I couldn't figure out what to do with it.
Speaker 4: Even I mean, I knew I had this thing in
Speaker 4: my hand, and I knew that I could do something
Speaker 4: with it, and I could get a hold of someone,
Speaker 4: but I didn't know how to do that, which is
Speaker 4: trauma probably, you know, because then after that, I also
Speaker 4: had trouble finding my way home, and this is a
Speaker 4: drive I've made thousands of times, you know. So I
Speaker 4: got back to my house and I my daughter tells
Speaker 4: me she was talking to me the other night about it.
Speaker 4: We hadn't, you know, I don't talk to my kids
Speaker 4: about it much because it's just like my mom's that
Speaker 4: crazy lady who put out ads in the local newspaper
Speaker 4: looking for other people had seeing this creature, and you
Speaker 4: know that they support me. But we hadn't. We just
Speaker 4: really hadn't talked about it much. And she was like, oh,
Speaker 4: I remember that night. Well, she was like, you came in.
Speaker 4: I was, I was about an hour late than expected,
Speaker 4: and she was like, you went straight to the bedroom
Speaker 4: and you didn't come out for a few days. And
Speaker 4: that surprised me, because I remember sitting in the bedroom
Speaker 4: for the entire day, like and I was literally like
Speaker 4: staring at a wall.
Speaker 3: Like because I couldn't.
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm sure I was having a very urgent
Speaker 4: conversation with myself, but I don't remember the exact dialogue,
Speaker 4: but probably like Okay, Missy, you were losing your mind.
Speaker 4: How long do you have before everyone figures it out?
Speaker 4: And if they figure it out, what are they gonna
Speaker 4: do with you? Like can you play this song for
Speaker 4: so that was I'd also wet my pants when I
Speaker 4: And that's I'm not embarrassed to say that. Like one
Speaker 4: of my friends told me once. He was like, Missy one,
Speaker 4: it could number one, it could have been worse, and
Speaker 4: number two and I'm just like, Okay, I go, yeah,
Speaker 4: it could have been worse.
Speaker 1: And number two.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, say no more, yeah it could have been more.
Speaker 1: And that's not a like like, that's not an uncommon
Speaker 1: thing from some of these experiences. You know, you talk
Speaker 1: to some people like like Martin Gross when he had
Speaker 1: experience with a stashquatch and dogmat at the same time.
Speaker 1: You know, him and his partner both wet and you know,
Speaker 1: soiled themselves.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I don't. I mean, look, your body does that,
Speaker 4: That's what I mean. That's that's a you know, that's
Speaker 4: a natural process to haven't seen something like that. Having
Speaker 4: something like that happen, you evacuate because you're preparing to die.
Speaker 4: Let's say what Okay, So after that, I had a
Speaker 4: you know, I tried to go on with life. I
Speaker 4: tried to forget about it.
Speaker 1: Okay, missy, So you were just telling us that you
Speaker 1: were in your room. Your daughter had told you you're
Speaker 1: in your room for almost a couple of days. That
Speaker 1: that's intense, Like that is you know that this is
Speaker 1: an experience of a I don't want to say I
Speaker 1: have a lifetime because that usually has a positive connotation
Speaker 1: to it. But this is like an experience that just
Speaker 1: rocks and shakes your world, your foundation. That is crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know it's interesting that you say that because.
Speaker 4: I okay, so it's it's not necessarily a negative thing.
Speaker 4: And at the time, if you had asked me this
Speaker 4: and I and told me, you know, in five years
Speaker 4: you're going to talk about how this was a good
Speaker 4: thing for your life, I would have told you were
Speaker 4: out of your mind, and I'd probably I would probably
Speaker 4: slap to you. But when when this happened, I was okay,
Speaker 4: So obviously I'm not the same person I was, and.
Speaker 3: I wasn't terrible, but I thought I was.
Speaker 4: You know, I had this sad day like I was
Speaker 4: better than other people, you know, I it didn't, it
Speaker 4: didn't bother me one bit to like hurt someone's feelings.
Speaker 4: I was kind of tactless, you know, just not horrible.
Speaker 4: You know, I would virtue signal, you know, till the
Speaker 4: cows were coming home. But just in my heart, I
Speaker 4: wasn't that connection you to that to it, to whatever
Speaker 4: is out there, that that that place that we all
Speaker 4: come from and go back to. It was very lacking.
Speaker 4: And you know, I wasn't eating puppies, but I was
Speaker 4: not very kind. And there is nothing that will humble
Speaker 4: a girl like seeing a role eye monster in the
Speaker 4: middle of the road.
Speaker 1: Said it was.
Speaker 4: It was like one of those life changing experiences where
Speaker 4: I didn't know it at the time what was happening
Speaker 4: or why even, but it's strange, like how it's just
Speaker 4: unfolded and you think, really, really, was this the plan
Speaker 4: for my life? That I was going to see a
Speaker 4: monster in the middle of the road. Decided that I
Speaker 4: couldn't shut up about it and say, Okay, here goes
Speaker 4: the social suicide. I'm going to speak up and then
Speaker 4: just kind of be okay with that, like and and
Speaker 4: then just my capacity for compassion and like accepting people,
Speaker 4: all people for who they are, and understanding that I
Speaker 4: am no better than any individual out there that.
Speaker 3: I can almost tear up that has.
Speaker 4: Been I don't. I wouldn't take any of it back,
Speaker 4: none of it. I've just met some of the weirdest,
Speaker 4: most amazing people, and I kind of like, I've always
Speaker 4: kind of been one of those people. He's like, if
Speaker 4: things are real awkward, I enjoy it, like I like
Speaker 4: I can if it's re all awkward in a ram
Speaker 4: or something like, I'm like, how can I make it
Speaker 4: more awkward?
Speaker 3: Because I'm one of the like I'm one of those
Speaker 3: you tell you.
Speaker 1: About what I saw on the road. Yes.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: When I first started writing the book, my son went
Speaker 4: to a birthday party and so I got to pick
Speaker 4: him up in the mom Fortunately most of them are gone,
Speaker 4: but I walked in and his little friend's mom says,
Speaker 4: Britain says, you're writing a book, And I was like,
Speaker 4: you got a publishing deal, and I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 4: you ready, buddy. She's like, well, I asked him what
Speaker 4: it was about, and he said he didn't know. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 4: it's just, you know, just a little auto biographical. There's
Speaker 4: some weird monster in the road, Teresa. There was a
Speaker 4: really weird minds. Actually it was right down from your house.
Speaker 4: Yeah it was though, so you know, but.
Speaker 1: That's what I mean about acohol.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I could see the whispers after. They didn't ask
Speaker 3: me to stay for cake.
Speaker 5: Either, exactly like okay, please leave their face the whole time.
Speaker 4: Their faces they're just like and I'm like, no, I'm not.
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna tell you. I'm kidding, like this happened funny,
Speaker 4: Like telling the truth will a lot people say they
Speaker 4: value truth over all else.
Speaker 3: But no they don't. No, they don't.
Speaker 1: So they're like the comfort of lives, Yes.
Speaker 4: Yes, because it's because it Yeah, it's it's a lot
Speaker 4: more comfortable to you know. It was a lot more
Speaker 4: comfortable for me to tell myself prior to this that
Speaker 4: I was such a good person, you know, like I
Speaker 4: got to work on time every day, I make good money.
Speaker 4: I was doing, you know, but I was I was
Speaker 4: in my heart, you know, I kind of felt something
Speaker 4: was missing and I and I don't know that I
Speaker 4: was even aware at the time, how Like I was
Speaker 4: growing increasingly uncomfortable leading up to this incident. But but
Speaker 4: let's story in. Let's go back to that incident.
Speaker 1: So, you know, the something I want to touch on
Speaker 1: is that after shave, like the old spice cologne. How
Speaker 1: do you what is your thoughts on how that actually
Speaker 1: ties into this.
Speaker 4: I have no idea because there have been obviously, I've
Speaker 4: done a lot of research since then, and I've I've
Speaker 4: read things from somebody spelled blueberry pie to someone's smell,
Speaker 4: you know, the smell of variddy meat.
Speaker 3: But here's something that's crazy.
Speaker 4: I had to get someone else to cut my yard
Speaker 4: the summer that I was writing the book, and so
Speaker 4: hired me yor guy.
Speaker 3: He comes and he's making small talk.
Speaker 1: What do you do?
Speaker 3: Oh, I work from home? What do you do from home?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 4: What are you right about? And then things get real awkward, right,
Speaker 4: And so I started telling him. I'm like, look, I
Speaker 4: was going down the road when I and there was
Speaker 4: this creature. And he interrupts me, and he describes the
Speaker 4: exact creature. What yes, because he and his girlfriend though
Speaker 4: it too. They saw the same thing. And this is
Speaker 4: on the same raid. And I'm asking, you know, I
Speaker 4: was supposed to interview him for the documentary, and we're
Speaker 4: gonna have to go back and go a round two.
Speaker 3: So maybe I can get him on the second.
Speaker 4: Maybe I can get him this summer, because we didn't
Speaker 4: get everything we needed in the well in January. But
Speaker 4: he's like, yeah, we we accidentally ran off the road
Speaker 4: and and this no way pulled over to use the bathroom,
Speaker 4: and he said, all of a sudden, it was like
Speaker 4: I smelled my grandpa.
Speaker 3: And when he said that, I was like, so I
Speaker 3: didn't tell him. I didn't tell him that I had.
Speaker 4: Also, I was searching my car the next day after
Speaker 4: this happened for like some rage bottle of old spies
Speaker 4: because it was so strong.
Speaker 3: But I don't know what to make of that.
Speaker 4: I could speculate and I could say, you know, where's
Speaker 4: my tinful hat?
Speaker 3: Because you know, you wonder.
Speaker 1: It almost sounds like it was like trying to create
Speaker 1: like a comfort, like something like like to comfort and calm. Yeah,
Speaker 1: something is like like you said, my grandpa. I mean,
Speaker 1: like you said his grandpa. You're like most old spice,
Speaker 1: which would be like grandpa as well. Or blueberry pie, yeah,
Speaker 1: or blueberry pie the other person. But Rodney Meat, of course,
Speaker 1: is completely on the other spectrum.
Speaker 4: But it's like, maybe maybe they're not as whatever these
Speaker 4: things are. And I do believe that, well, I believe
Speaker 4: that they're not just purely physical. I think they kind
Speaker 4: of go back and forth between, which is I know
Speaker 4: sounds crazy, but when you get to look into things
Speaker 4: like this, it's just like the number of stories that
Speaker 4: you read. And I've read so many and I've even
Speaker 4: input so I'm a nerd. So I take all these
Speaker 4: stories and I input these into software that pulls data points,
Speaker 4: so like I've got like I've got a profile of
Speaker 4: these things. And you know, like just because something is
Speaker 4: true for one person's story doesn't mean like the presence
Speaker 4: or absence of that one thing, you know, validates any
Speaker 4: claim or invalidates any claim. But there are some really
Speaker 4: strange even the mimicking mimicking voices that I got a
Speaker 4: story from this one guy, and to date, it's the
Speaker 4: scariest story I've ever heard. As far as these things,
Speaker 4: I call them crawl. The first time I saw it.
Speaker 4: I think I called it a chalk white What the
Speaker 4: wt because it was like chalk white, But that's all
Speaker 4: I overlooked. I was gonna ask you the color of
Speaker 4: the skin. So you're saying it was chalk white? Yeah,
Speaker 4: but almost, okay, almost trans parent like a dolphin skin.
Speaker 4: Wet like dolphin skin, but like almost transparent, like okay,
Speaker 4: you know when a baby bird is born and you
Speaker 4: can like see all this this this that I don't
Speaker 4: take a part of animals or anything, but you know,
Speaker 4: like one falls out of an astra, cat gets it,
Speaker 4: you see it. But more so than that, I've also
Speaker 4: seen them described as like a blow, like a like
Speaker 4: a blob of jelly type stuff. And I don't know,
Speaker 4: I don't look. I've been researching this since I guess,
Speaker 4: so I guess it would have been twenty nineteen maybe
Speaker 4: that I really got hardcore into it. And I still
Speaker 4: can't tell you what these things are. I have an idea,
Speaker 4: like you know, I don't. I don't even know if
Speaker 4: it's a good idea.
Speaker 3: I could.
Speaker 4: I could still be so far off, but I'm pretty
Speaker 4: sure that they come from some side ways place that
Speaker 4: is just kind of sometimes.
Speaker 1: Like the upside down from stranger things almost in a way, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And you know I think I've heard that that
Speaker 4: was that was based on Project Mom.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's weird. That's that's really weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah. They opened they opened a doorway and things came out.
Speaker 3: Yes. Yeah. And then you've got what was going on
Speaker 3: at the Miami Mall.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. I don't know about that that. I
Speaker 1: have a lot more questions than I do. Uh. I'm
Speaker 1: almost believing that it was what they say it was.
Speaker 4: I I was in that bait too until I realized it.
Speaker 4: Exactly one year ago, on that same day, the news
Speaker 4: reported the exact same thing of teenagers shooting fireworks at
Speaker 4: the mall about ten cops show up and they get
Speaker 4: it under control. But when the people who were in
Speaker 4: the mall started coming out and talking about what they saw,
Speaker 4: I was like, Oh, yeah, that's kind of there's something
Speaker 4: going on there. Look like look at I mean, if you,
Speaker 4: if you're ever bored, look into that.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, I know I've been asked a couple of
Speaker 1: times to look into it, and I and I really
Speaker 1: it's not for the lack that I don't believe or
Speaker 1: want to believe I've just been so busy, but yeah,
Speaker 1: that's how that was.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know what, I think. I didn't want
Speaker 4: to believe. I thought, that's so outrageous. And and if
Speaker 4: you put the coordinates of the Miami Mall, that where
Speaker 4: where they where they were in a bayside Mam. If
Speaker 4: you if you reverse latitude and longitude, you end up
Speaker 4: in Antarctica square in the middle of Antarctica. Said yeah,
Speaker 4: this girl was like, these interlopers or whatever.
Speaker 3: I don't even know what an interloper is. I don't
Speaker 3: even know if he's the right word.
Speaker 4: But these these travelers, they just put the coordinates in wrong.
Speaker 4: And I was like, you know that, it's really crazy,
Speaker 4: but it's not that crazy, Like that's that's that's possible,
Speaker 4: that happened. Like but a lot of people described the
Speaker 4: exact same kind of entities because I'd written it off
Speaker 4: to Yeah, there's so much out there.
Speaker 1: That's something I will look a little bit more into,
Speaker 1: because you I really don't know, I really don't know.
Speaker 4: Who does who do you know someone? But not that's
Speaker 4: when you were saying about experts. I'm weary of anyone
Speaker 4: in this fill who calls himselves an expert. I would
Speaker 4: call myself more of a collector. I'm a collector of
Speaker 4: all these experiences and these knowledge, you know, and just
Speaker 4: compiling it, putting it together and trying to make the
Speaker 4: best guest guestimates that I can on everything you know,
Speaker 4: And it's I do.
Speaker 1: I do develop an opinion, but it's my opinion is
Speaker 1: open to be changed and you know, and molded differently
Speaker 1: the more information I get.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, that.
Speaker 4: And I say the same thing, like if I'm presented
Speaker 4: with any kind of information that's going to contradict what
Speaker 4: I currently believe that I have to you know, I've
Speaker 4: got to look into it. But I tell people like I,
Speaker 4: do you know the people who do this kind of stuff?
Speaker 4: I know, like everybody thinks we're not everybody, but a
Speaker 4: lot of people think we're straight jack and crazy and
Speaker 4: that's fine. But like I think, I even said this
Speaker 4: in the book, like we are driven like by something
Speaker 4: we absolutely must know. It is a job, and we
Speaker 4: feel like life would be just totally incomplete if we
Speaker 4: didn't spend it searching for answers. Even if the answer
Speaker 4: is you're never going to find an answer, I'm okay
Speaker 4: with that.
Speaker 3: I just like the questions.
Speaker 1: You know, we were talking to Sean Hibbler a couple
Speaker 1: like you know in the past there, and he had said,
Speaker 1: you know, we're all at heart explorers, you know, whether
Speaker 1: it's exploring for new land or exploring for new answers,
Speaker 1: you know, we're at heart explorers. We want to go
Speaker 1: on this journey and we want to discover new things.
Speaker 1: And and you know it doesn't have to be land.
Speaker 1: It can be you know, these cryptids. We're just we're
Speaker 1: discovering trying to figure out these cryptids. And I think
Speaker 1: it's a it's a great and noble quest for us
Speaker 1: to be doing and for you to be doing that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know you find out if you like,
Speaker 4: if you can stay humble, like the real exploration is
Speaker 4: going in Like that's when that's when you really start
Speaker 4: to a lot of things start to make sense, the
Speaker 4: synchronicity start, you like realize, whatever all this stuff is,
Speaker 4: it's kind of the same thing.
Speaker 3: Like I hated, I hated to come to that concluded.
Speaker 4: That's where I'm at with it basically these days, Like
Speaker 4: it's all the same, Like I don't know, and I
Speaker 4: know that sounds weird, but.
Speaker 3: Obviously they're do you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's all connected, like you know, like, of course
Speaker 1: some things are different, but at the root, they're all connected.
Speaker 1: I believe that they all kind of are sprouting or
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know, but I believe I
Speaker 1: believe you're.
Speaker 5: Onto something when you're saying that that they're they're yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: well I think, like, okay, so this this guy's back
Speaker 5: to her I think it's hermetics.
Speaker 4: And I hope I'm saying that word right. Like there's
Speaker 4: one say, okay, they say there's one substance, and everything
Speaker 4: is made of this one substance, and it appears as
Speaker 4: different things. It can appear as different substances, but it's
Speaker 4: really just this one substance. Because you have twelve notes
Speaker 4: in music, and all these notes have a different octave
Speaker 4: and so all these vibratory frequency, vibrational frequencies, they appear different,
Speaker 4: but it's really just one thing.
Speaker 3: And that like when I read that that kind of
Speaker 3: hit that hit me pretty hard. I was like, that
Speaker 3: makes so much sense.
Speaker 1: Totally agree, and yeah, your pronunciation of her medics was
Speaker 1: completely correct.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so.
Speaker 1: Let's yeah, so let's let's go on from this. So
Speaker 1: you know, you had this experience. Where where did it
Speaker 1: take you? From there?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 4: So from there, I thought, Okay, I'm gonna tell a friend.
Speaker 4: I'll feel better. I've known this girl since we were five.
Speaker 4: You know, she'll get me, she'll she'll get me hug
Speaker 4: and it'll be over. And she, you know, I tell
Speaker 4: her like I spin it all out, and I was
Speaker 4: just like, and I felt like a lot of relief
Speaker 4: after until I looked up into her face and she
Speaker 4: was like, I just like kept that dead pan face forever.
Speaker 4: She said two things, Din, you need to talk to
Speaker 4: someone about this, for sure, but it needs to be
Speaker 4: a professional. You do not need to discuss this with
Speaker 4: anyone else. And she caused me miss. My friends called
Speaker 4: me miss and mip.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: Well, my brother couldn't pronounce my name when he was younger,
Speaker 4: the little retard. So I got stuck with the I
Speaker 4: got sorry, he je on Wesley kidding. So you know, Miss,
Speaker 4: you'll ruin yourself. This is social suicide. Like, you can't
Speaker 4: do this here. You work too hard to build up
Speaker 4: a good reputete because like I was, you know, in
Speaker 4: the marketing community, I had done well for myself and
Speaker 4: she's like, you can't become one of those Bigfoot is
Speaker 4: real people.
Speaker 3: And when she said that, I was like nod.
Speaker 4: And then then I thought, oh my god, I bet
Speaker 4: Bigfoot is real because I'd never you know, I knew
Speaker 4: Bigfoot was a thing. I just didn't at the time
Speaker 4: I had this encounter. I just didn't know Bigfoot was
Speaker 4: a cryptid. I didn't know that cryptids were things. I
Speaker 4: didn't I knew that apparitions and ghosts were real because
Speaker 4: I had a lot of experiences with that as a kid,
Speaker 4: and you know, I would see an apparition walk through
Speaker 4: a wall and it was no big deal, but it
Speaker 4: was just like part of my It was part of
Speaker 4: my everyday experience. And I learned pretty quickly when I
Speaker 4: got to maybe first grade, that it was not cool
Speaker 4: to talk about those things, that that was not part
Speaker 4: of everyone else's experience. But the thing about this this
Speaker 4: creature in the road, like it was flesh and blood.
Speaker 4: I felt like if I had fired a shot into it,
Speaker 4: it would have it would have hit the thing, and
Speaker 4: it would have bled an apparition when I was younger,
Speaker 4: and I don't know, I don't know that everyone experiences
Speaker 4: them the same, but a lot of people think that
Speaker 4: they are transparent.
Speaker 3: That wasn't the case. That was not how I experienced
Speaker 3: an apparition. It was gray.
Speaker 4: It was like this gray type of and I saw
Speaker 4: them so frequently I had categorized them.
Speaker 3: There were and I was sick, so it was like
Speaker 3: over and overs.
Speaker 4: So they were like the ones that would like be
Speaker 4: repeating the same pattern of behavior, like circling an area.
Speaker 4: And then there were the scream allowed and that would
Speaker 4: be the ones that would scream, roll, scream my name
Speaker 4: really alloud, my ear.
Speaker 3: And then there was this orb that came out.
Speaker 4: I had all of that, and so I felt like
Speaker 4: pretty confident because I'd experienced that world and I felt
Speaker 4: like I knew what that world was. But then here
Speaker 4: I was with this creature in front of me, and
Speaker 4: this is the world I'm a primary resident of and
Speaker 4: I have no idea, like I have no idea what
Speaker 4: my I think. This is the world I knew the
Speaker 4: most about, and here's this thing. And so after that,
Speaker 4: my friend said, you know, speak to a psychologist. So
Speaker 4: I was like fine, because at that point I was
Speaker 4: at my wits end. I couldn't let it go. I
Speaker 4: couldn't stop thinking about it, and so I had to
Speaker 4: figure out something to do with it. And so I
Speaker 4: made an appointment and I got I got really lucky
Speaker 4: because I don't know what.
Speaker 3: I don't know what would.
Speaker 4: Have happened if I had not had the therapist that
Speaker 4: I did. He he was a mess. He was he
Speaker 4: was all over the place. I walked in and his
Speaker 4: desk is like covered and posted night and I'm like,
Speaker 4: I bet he leaves his those every time he writes
Speaker 4: down a thing, like you know, and so I could
Speaker 4: I bet I can trust this guy, because that's kind
Speaker 4: of I'm a little bit like that. And then I
Speaker 4: look down and I see one of them. It's turned over,
Speaker 4: but he read it a permanent marker and it's like
Speaker 4: it bled through and I could see it's this missy
Speaker 4: ten thirty things, she saw an alien. And I'm like,
Speaker 4: this smoke.
Speaker 3: So I sat down and you know, he died it.
Speaker 4: We exchanged the you know, he gets the credit card
Speaker 4: info and on he's like, so what brings you in today?
Speaker 4: And I was, first of all, I didn't think I
Speaker 4: saw an alien. I know what I saw. It was there,
Speaker 4: and I never said it was an alien. I said
Speaker 4: it was alien white and then everything just came like
Speaker 4: I mean, I couldn't stop.
Speaker 3: It was like word mom.
Speaker 4: But I told him everything down to ride down to
Speaker 4: the spread pattern that the urine left on my blue
Speaker 4: jeans because it looked like a dove in flight. And
Speaker 4: I don't know why I thought it was important to
Speaker 4: include that part, but I told him. I told him
Speaker 4: all of them.
Speaker 3: And so then I finished, and I sat there for
Speaker 3: a second and I expected to feel better, but I didn't.
Speaker 3: I felt the same.
Speaker 4: And he's like looking down in his hands, and I'm like,
Speaker 4: here we go, you know, And he's like, I said,
Speaker 4: you don't believe me, dee, And he took a deep
Speaker 4: wreath and he looked up and he's like, here's the thing.
Speaker 4: It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter whether or not I
Speaker 4: believe you. And I'm like, did I just pay you
Speaker 4: to believe me?
Speaker 3: What is this? There's no couch.
Speaker 4: First of all, I'm sitting in a wooden chair, like yeah,
Speaker 4: and you don't believe it. And it doesn't matter. Of
Speaker 4: course it matters. I need you to tell me not
Speaker 4: only do you believe me, but I don't need an
Speaker 4: entire history on what these things are and where they
Speaker 4: come from.
Speaker 3: That's what I mean.
Speaker 4: It's crazy, but that's what happens when you know, expectation
Speaker 4: meets reality. It's rarely aligned. But then he went on
Speaker 4: and he told me that he said that he did
Speaker 4: not think that I had hallucinated, that he did not
Speaker 4: think I was suffering from a mental breakdown, that I was,
Speaker 4: you know, appeared to be a sound minded body. He
Speaker 4: was like, you know, you're why and you're bright, but
Speaker 4: you're shaken, and I think you'll recover. And I was like,
Speaker 4: well that's great. Things you know, still just so mad,
Speaker 4: and he's like that's when he said, you know, this
Speaker 4: was something else too, and this hit me pretty hard.
Speaker 4: He's like, I'm gonna tell you something because I think
Speaker 4: you're gonna appreciate this. What matters most is what you're
Speaker 4: going what you're gonna do with the situation you find
Speaker 4: yourself in. And I'm gonna tell you there are gonna
Speaker 4: be times in your life when you don't want to
Speaker 4: do something but you know you absolutely must. And then
Speaker 4: there'll be times in your life, you know, when you
Speaker 4: want to do something and you know you probably shouldn't,
Speaker 4: but decide which one of the side, what moments this
Speaker 4: is and maybe you should see if there are other
Speaker 4: people out there who have experienced something similar. I can
Speaker 4: almost tear up because if he had that, I mean
Speaker 4: just just wow. Well and I mean he gave me
Speaker 4: my power back, right, because that's that's what I'd done.
Speaker 4: I expected to go in his office and be told this,
Speaker 4: I'm the authority, and this is what has happened, and
Speaker 4: this is the mental disorder you have.
Speaker 3: Here are your peels, you know, good day, man. But
Speaker 3: he didn't. He was like, maybe you should look into that,
Speaker 3: and that man, I could, I could check.
Speaker 4: I saw him the other day and I just hugged
Speaker 4: him so big because he knows I've got the book
Speaker 4: now and or will will have the book scene, and
Speaker 4: he knows everything that's gone on. But what's crazy? Do
Speaker 4: you want to hear what's really crazy? Right as we
Speaker 4: were filming the documentary, I've got a real good friend.
Speaker 4: His name is Jeremiah Byron. You might have heard of him.
Speaker 4: He runs big for Society.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 4: He's a hustler too. He's putting up two three episodes
Speaker 4: a day. Makes me tired of just watching it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a lot like I'm like two episodes maybe
Speaker 1: three a week and that's like, I like, I can't
Speaker 1: fathom two or three a day.
Speaker 3: Oh man, But.
Speaker 4: He's he's he's the nicest. This conversation I'm having with you.
Speaker 4: And then the conversation I had with him two of
Speaker 4: my very favorite because it's not like a structured interview.
Speaker 4: You're talking to a friend, right, and he was he
Speaker 4: was so awesome. But he had this woman get in
Speaker 4: touch with him, and she said, I want to I
Speaker 4: want to speak to the girl who was who was
Speaker 4: talking about the crawlers. I'm a psychologist and I'm having
Speaker 4: people come into my office telling me about these experiences
Speaker 4: with these palamasi and humanoids. And these men are military.
Speaker 4: They can't go to the VA, they can't go to
Speaker 4: a military approved doctor because they're worried they're going to
Speaker 4: lose their clearance or they're going to lose their job.
Speaker 4: And she was like, I'll tell you, it is happening
Speaker 4: so frequently now that myself and my fellow clinicians have
Speaker 4: begun to discuss.
Speaker 1: It, which is crazy, kind of like on the on
Speaker 1: the track of like dog Men, like dog Man was
Speaker 1: not really I don't want to say it's non existent.
Speaker 1: It was existent, but it wasn't much. And then also
Speaker 1: it just seems to be stepping up and escalating and escalating, and.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I know, and I mean there's it could
Speaker 4: be a lot of things at play, is the velt
Speaker 4: in and of course it all I mean, it always is.
Speaker 4: You know, every every National Inquirer magazine I've seen since
Speaker 4: I was like ten years old, is promise me Jesus
Speaker 4: was on his way back the next week, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: The funny thing is those times like National Acchoir or
Speaker 1: whatever they were, you know, years ago, I was like,
Speaker 1: you know, as a kid, like oh these are hilarious
Speaker 1: or a joke. Now I'm like, maybe there was some
Speaker 1: truth to some of those ones. Maybe there was some
Speaker 1: actual truth in them, you know, hidden hidden with all
Speaker 1: this uh tomfoolery, Like go.
Speaker 6: Back, go back and look at some of some of
Speaker 6: the covers like I have you know, Woman Gives, Woman
Speaker 6: gets birt to baby big Foot. Oh, it's not interesting
Speaker 6: that guys were right at eye level for us kids
Speaker 6: like that's and they call it in marketing, because I've
Speaker 6: worked in marketing, they called that the nag factor. If
Speaker 6: you've got something at a kid's out level, don't nag
Speaker 6: their parents to buy. But those National Enqire magazines were
Speaker 6: like right at and I'm.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm only like five one okay, fine, I'm
Speaker 4: five feet fat feet and half fine five feet but
Speaker 4: they were like they're like right out level.
Speaker 3: I don't even remember why we were. I'm sorry, I'm bad.
Speaker 1: That's all right, that's all right. I get distracted very easily.
Speaker 1: And yes, but we were talking about.
Speaker 4: Why is it happening more frequently? I don't it could
Speaker 4: be that, but I think it's all saved. You know,
Speaker 4: like the hundredth months. Is it called the hundredth monkey effect?
Speaker 4: A monkey starts the hundred monkeys.
Speaker 1: Yes. I actually talked about this in one of my
Speaker 1: previous episodes, where you know, they they they throw the
Speaker 1: potatoes in the sand and then they teach one how
Speaker 1: to wash it, and then it ends up teaching them all.
Speaker 1: But then they do it on another island and they
Speaker 1: know what to do. It's like transferred over.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and there's no there's been no communication. They just
Speaker 4: starting they start washing their potatoes too.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So I think it's like you have a group of
Speaker 4: explorers that come in and they do you know, they
Speaker 4: set up sovization It's the same with information when you
Speaker 4: have people who are coming out and they're like, I
Speaker 4: don't give a crap what you think. I will tell
Speaker 4: you what happened, and if you don't like it, you
Speaker 4: can eat dirt.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 4: It makes it easier for the next and the next.
Speaker 4: And I think that I think there's a lot. I mean,
Speaker 4: it's a number of things, but I think that has
Speaker 4: a lot.
Speaker 3: To do with it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, I think that's a great theory. You
Speaker 1: know that you're saying that they're kind of established a foothold. Well,
Speaker 1: you had sent me the you had sent me the
Speaker 1: picture of the crawler. You know, of that like this
Speaker 1: is not of what not your crawler? But you know, like, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 4: I get online and I think my first search was
Speaker 4: like a pale humanoid in rural area or something like that,
Speaker 4: and I was pretty shocked at all the results. But
Speaker 4: then I'm like, I'm seeing like a wiki wik you know,
Speaker 4: the wiki that fandom wiki fandom or something, and I'm like, okay, crap.
Speaker 4: But then and I found crawler sightings the reddit. The
Speaker 4: reddit subrendit crawler sightings or is it crawler encounters. I'm
Speaker 4: not it's one of one of those.
Speaker 1: I think it was Sightings, Yes, yeah, And.
Speaker 4: I'm reading these stories and I'm like, I mean, it
Speaker 4: blew me away because I think I probably read there
Speaker 4: the entire thread. At that time, there were probably only
Speaker 4: about six thousand members, and do you know today there
Speaker 4: are over fifty thousand members. And this was just yeah,
Speaker 4: but I was reading And I've said this before, and
Speaker 4: I still can't explain it any better than the first
Speaker 4: time I tried to articulate it. There's something about having
Speaker 4: an experience like this and then reading the words of
Speaker 4: someone else who's experienced something very similar, like you something
Speaker 4: about it. You connect in a way like you connect
Speaker 4: the material. There's some sort of it's not just what
Speaker 4: they're saying, it's what they're not saying. It's like and
Speaker 4: if you're in person, it's like you know the breaths
Speaker 4: on either side of the word, or when you think
Speaker 4: about the times that your hands are held and they're not,
Speaker 4: or you feel all these sensations like I think that's
Speaker 4: where intuition lives. And so I think I'm pretty pretty
Speaker 4: good at being able to read between the lines and no,
Speaker 4: and no, I'm not above being pulled, and I'm sure,
Speaker 4: I have been plenty of times, but there were some
Speaker 4: of these stories and I connect with them deeply because
Speaker 4: it was like we were all trying to communicate something
Speaker 4: that can't really be communicated in language. They all had
Speaker 4: something in common, and I thought it was curious. But
Speaker 4: I had been researching for about six hours and I
Speaker 4: could not hole my eyes open. So there was this
Speaker 4: thing they kept saying. I just had to leave it
Speaker 4: till the next day. But it was what I saw,
Speaker 4: and this is what the people telling their stories. We're
Speaker 4: describing looked just like that trail cam photo, even though
Speaker 4: that's been debonk or, even though that's a proven faith.
Speaker 4: And it was like they were very intent on making
Speaker 4: sure that everyone knew it looked like this, but they
Speaker 4: had to make sure that. They said, I know that
Speaker 4: picture's fake. I don't believe it's real, almost like it
Speaker 4: was uncool for it to be real. And I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I had that vibe at the time. I just thought
Speaker 4: it was strange. Then I didn't know why they were saying.
Speaker 4: It just seems like such an odd piece of information
Speaker 4: to include, Like if you saw something look just like that,
Speaker 4: why would then you saw something that look just like that,
Speaker 4: why are we including this? So I ended up going to.
Speaker 1: And like they're like, oh, it's a fake. Well is
Speaker 1: it really? If this is identical to what you saw,
Speaker 1: like it, it looks pretty creepy.
Speaker 4: It's so similar, so similar, And at that point I
Speaker 4: hadn't seen it though. I was just reading the stories
Speaker 4: and so I was like, you know, I couldn't hold
Speaker 4: my I was doing the thing where you know when
Speaker 4: you have a sleep and you're like trying to take someone.
Speaker 3: You got one eye open because you're so tired.
Speaker 1: You sit there with the phone in your hands for
Speaker 1: a little bit without doing anything, and then you're like, oh, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm back.
Speaker 4: I'm back right Wait, I was falling asleep texting something. Yes,
Speaker 4: So I was at that point I was like, okay,
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna have to get to sleep. I think
Speaker 4: I took a three hour an out to be honest,
Speaker 4: because I was. I mean, it was a big deal.
Speaker 4: It was. I mean, validation is medicine. When you've seen
Speaker 4: something like this and you'd find stories like that. I
Speaker 4: mean it wasn't necessarily like the direction I saw my
Speaker 4: life would go in, but you know, here we were.
Speaker 4: So then I get up the next morning, and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 4: weird humanoid trail cam photo. I can't I don't even
Speaker 4: remember what I typed. I wish I stop. I probably
Speaker 4: could find myself history, but I don't have the time
Speaker 4: or the patience to go looking for But it was
Speaker 4: something like that. So this picture pops up, and I
Speaker 4: was very fortunate to have a waste basket right next
Speaker 4: to my desk, because I vomited when I saw it.
Speaker 4: Oh man, Because okay, so what I saw was smaller
Speaker 4: than that. And I don't know how I know it
Speaker 4: was smaller because in a picture you can't really but
Speaker 4: it was like what I saw was a child version
Speaker 4: of this, and it was from the side I was
Speaker 4: looking at it, and I'm just like, Okay, either someone
Speaker 4: saw this thing and made a version of it and
Speaker 4: put it on the internet, or accidentally captured in their
Speaker 4: in their artwork, an actually like something that was really happening,
Speaker 4: like an actual phenomenon, but neither saying that doesn't seem
Speaker 4: plausible because the just the I mean, it's like taking
Speaker 4: a picture of a bear. Nobody's ever seeing a bear,
Speaker 4: and you see a bear and then suddenly there's one
Speaker 4: on your screen and everyone's like, that's faith. It didn't
Speaker 4: make sense to me. So I'm like, okay, I'm fixing
Speaker 4: them figure this out. Who debunked it? How did they
Speaker 4: do it? Like what is what does it even mean
Speaker 4: to debunk something? I didn't even understand that, And that
Speaker 4: was my descent into pure madness. I don't know how
Speaker 4: my family put up with me, and I you know,
Speaker 4: I did all the research and people think like that
Speaker 4: was done over a period of like you know, I
Speaker 4: don't know, a week, a month. No, that took me
Speaker 4: three years to get to the bottom of it, and
Speaker 4: I went I went hardcore because okay, so it was
Speaker 4: like everyone who was saying it was debunked, they kept
Speaker 4: referencing this blogger, his fami. I don't know if this
Speaker 4: is his real name, but his website is wired web
Speaker 4: and his name is job West. That's what he went
Speaker 4: by on the on the website, and he lists, you know,
Speaker 4: he puts the picture up and he lists all these
Speaker 4: reasons that he believes it's fake. And I was reading
Speaker 4: through him and like, at the time, it was pretty
Speaker 4: intimidating because it was I mean, he had all this
Speaker 4: technical jargon and things that I didn't understand, but some
Speaker 4: of it was just steeper, like there's the guy who Okay,
Speaker 4: you get to the source of the photo and it's
Speaker 4: a Honting form called archery Talk, and the guy who
Speaker 4: uploads the photo uploads it, and then the forum members
Speaker 4: began to reply, and he puts up another photo proved
Speaker 4: that it was his TiAl cam because it shows the
Speaker 4: same area. So and these two photos, this one of
Speaker 4: this creature and this one of this deer. There's this tree,
Speaker 4: and the date shows that there is a nine day
Speaker 4: gap between one photo and the next. And he's like,
Speaker 4: there's no way that the leaves on the tree wouldn't
Speaker 4: wouldn't have changed at all or fallen off because it
Speaker 4: was November.
Speaker 3: And I was like, ridiculous. So that was one of
Speaker 3: the places I started.
Speaker 4: I was like, Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna call my
Speaker 4: friend Audrey because Audrey's botanist, and she'll name But I
Speaker 4: did crop the picture out so that she couldn't see
Speaker 4: the creature, because I, you know, here's this picture, check
Speaker 4: out this plant. But she said it was a plant
Speaker 4: called SAA surprise, and it was absolutely she said it
Speaker 4: was actually more probable than not these leaves because species
Speaker 4: like that were known to hold on to their leaves
Speaker 4: all the way through winter and into the following spring.
Speaker 3: And there were a bunch of other things.
Speaker 4: I've got I've got a I had a YouTube video
Speaker 4: and then I have an audiobook.
Speaker 3: I've got a a book that I was.
Speaker 4: Gonna put on Amazon after the documentary, but I'm probably
Speaker 4: fixing to go ahead and published that to Amazon, and
Speaker 4: I will let yeah, because it's just I'm ready.
Speaker 3: I'm ready. It's been long enough.
Speaker 4: And it goes into a lot of things, but the
Speaker 4: biggest thing, and this is what people really I think
Speaker 4: need to be careful of. There are file decator programs
Speaker 4: called like jpeg, snape or I mean, you can upload
Speaker 4: an image and it'll tell you details about that image,
Speaker 4: like the exit data or the metadata, and that gives
Speaker 4: you details about where the picture was taken, my kind
Speaker 4: of camera took the picture, et cetera, et cetera. But
Speaker 4: it's not Photo forensics is not near as symbole as
Speaker 4: like just a one clique button type of thing. It
Speaker 4: absolutely requires a human to analyze the results because you
Speaker 4: can get false positives. And this trail cam image and
Speaker 4: the lower left corner there is a logo and it
Speaker 4: it's from Wild Game Innovations. That's who made the trail
Speaker 4: cam and that took the payture. And then it's got
Speaker 4: a timestamp and I'm reading the results that this guy
Speaker 4: says he got that proved it was photoshopped. And they
Speaker 4: didn't say this image is photoshopped. What they said was
Speaker 4: the image produced results that are similar to the results
Speaker 4: that you would see in a photoshopped image because of
Speaker 4: the compression rate anomalies, and in a JPEG image, you
Speaker 4: expect the entire image to be roughly the same compression level.
Speaker 4: But when you have anomalies like where you see around
Speaker 4: the timestamp that you're show him, and especially over here
Speaker 4: to the left where the or it might be right,
Speaker 4: you know, when you really zoom in on that Wild
Speaker 4: Game logo, you can see the reds and the greens.
Speaker 4: So that is that's a false positive that one click
Speaker 4: Baldycutter program gave back that result because of course it
Speaker 4: picked up compression rate a normally similar to compression rate
Speaker 4: anomalies found in photoshoped images. Because that is an auto
Speaker 4: populated logo that's on every single trail cam image that
Speaker 4: a Wild Game Innovation's camera take. And so that was
Speaker 4: when I got to that point. That was a big
Speaker 4: deal for me. I was like, Okay, we're onto something.
Speaker 4: Let's keep going.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So, I mean I went as far as Stephen I
Speaker 4: spoke to. Then this was aired on the news. This
Speaker 4: picture this woman I know of a heart, Welcome back
Speaker 4: to NBC thirty three News Morning Edition. The time is
Speaker 4: now six o four and she's like, so, you know
Speaker 4: we tell you to I'm telling you this Verbon. You
Speaker 4: know what we tell you to send in your picture
Speaker 4: so we can show them on our newscast. Well, you've
Speaker 4: got to see what one viewer and she shows this picture.
Speaker 4: But here's the thing. The time stamp on the photo
Speaker 4: and the date are completely different. And the picture in
Speaker 4: the news image looks like it's a picture of a picture.
Speaker 4: It looks like somebody took a picture of a screen
Speaker 4: because you can kind of see the glare. And all right,
Speaker 4: the guy who upload the photo originally, the date that
Speaker 4: you have here is the right day. It was taken eleven, thirty,
Speaker 4: twenty ten and uploaded to the forum on December second,
Speaker 4: twenty ten. Now, the date on the photo that was
Speaker 4: broadcast on the News was December fourth, twenty ten. So
Speaker 4: if we know nothing else, we know that that's not
Speaker 4: the original picture, because how could he have uploaded it,
Speaker 4: you know, if he uploaded it to the forum on
Speaker 4: the second, how did he take it on the fourth?
Speaker 4: How was it captured on the fourth? It made no sense.
Speaker 4: So I try, you know, why would someone do that?
Speaker 4: Someone went to a decent amount of trouble to change
Speaker 4: that timestamp, and I think it's I just today, I
Speaker 4: just today got some information from someone that when all
Speaker 4: this happened, a moveine investigator went out and investigated because
Speaker 4: they had something that looked just like this on video
Speaker 4: on a trail can that was very close to the
Speaker 4: vicinity that this picture was captured. And I'm still like,
Speaker 4: I can't really talk about that part yet because it's
Speaker 4: still but whoever that pick? Okay, so someone was given
Speaker 4: this picture and told you need to get this to
Speaker 4: the news stations. No one knows who the guy was.
Speaker 4: He wasn't from the community, and they have no idea
Speaker 4: where he went. But a guy showed up that no
Speaker 4: one had ever seen before. Actually, you know what I'm
Speaker 4: gonna I'm gonna read you exactly what he said to me.
Speaker 4: Because it's just it's wild and I just like, I
Speaker 4: just found this out today and shout out to Kyle
Speaker 4: for reminding me, because and this is all see, this
Speaker 4: is Reddit. These are your gems on Reddit, just awesome
Speaker 4: people that like really want to help. You know, they're
Speaker 4: not trying to just put you down. Because when I
Speaker 4: put when I put on Reddit that I didn't think
Speaker 4: this picture was fake. Run, Oh my goodness, they tore
Speaker 4: well tried. I don't feel like they really tore me apart,
Speaker 4: but they were after me. Nobody was happy about it.
Speaker 4: Nobody was happy.
Speaker 1: It's crazy that you know how people are and how people.
Speaker 3: Get what's interesting to me.
Speaker 4: We think about hoaxers and we think about how they'll
Speaker 4: make up things that are fake and put them online
Speaker 4: so that we can treat people, but we rarely consider
Speaker 4: the links people will go to to to keep the
Speaker 4: it's a fake narrative going. I mean, they'll make up
Speaker 4: their own they'll make up their own evidence to keep
Speaker 4: that it's a fake narrative going. Okay, this guy says
Speaker 4: he makes us, I don't. I don't know if you.
Speaker 1: I try not to say, that's all right, we'll do
Speaker 1: our best.
Speaker 4: But that's Okay, yeah, I think I've said I think
Speaker 4: I've said some customers. Sorry, Okay, let me see here
Speaker 4: we are. Okay, he says, let me tell you the
Speaker 4: background on this, my friend, and he was he was
Speaker 4: kind of defending me because some people have been a
Speaker 4: little harsh.
Speaker 3: This was originally posted on a hunting forum. That's accurate.
Speaker 4: I was dealing with a similar type of creature on
Speaker 4: a video camera that was the subject of a serious
Speaker 4: move On investigation in Mississippi, and that's where I live.
Speaker 4: The gang camera was from the Barwick, Louisiana area. That's
Speaker 4: accurate outside of New Orleans. The camera owner didn't want
Speaker 4: to be publicly identified, but was seriously freaked out and
Speaker 4: gave to a buddy to see if he could find
Speaker 4: out something about it. That's when it appeared on local TV,
Speaker 4: and that's when it went viral because it was somewhat
Speaker 4: I'm not sure what he's saying it because it was
Speaker 4: somewhat somewhere to the creature that we had. I think
Speaker 4: he meant somewhat similar to the creature that we had
Speaker 4: on videotape and not that far away. Moofon investigators also
Speaker 4: investigated this trail camfeto, which I think was from a
Speaker 4: few months earlier, but I'm not sure it could have
Speaker 4: been after the movefind investigator who was from slide L
Speaker 4: and I think Slydel is in Mississippi. I bet I
Speaker 4: would have to it could be Louisiana.
Speaker 3: The better.
Speaker 4: They contacted the news reporter on this, but at the
Speaker 4: time she was declaring it was a fake. She told
Speaker 4: him that someone called in and told them it was
Speaker 4: a fake, that someone claimed to know the people in
Speaker 4: the Moveine investigator was able to get the name of
Speaker 4: the person who submitted the game camera photo to the
Speaker 4: news station, and not only did he deny it being
Speaker 4: a fake, he claimed he had never met or knew
Speaker 4: anything about the individual that handed him the photo and
Speaker 4: told him to turn it in. He also confirmed with
Speaker 4: the person the person who gave him the game camera photo,
Speaker 4: that he had no clue who he was, who the
Speaker 4: mf or was, and neither did anybody else in that community.
Speaker 4: He said it was completely He said it was completely bs.
Speaker 4: But it spoops the camera owner even more after the
Speaker 4: guy dropped in and he wanted nothing more to do
Speaker 4: with it. So, okay, it's a little confusing, but he's
Speaker 4: basically saying some guy comes in and says, my buddy,
Speaker 4: guys this on his true cam and I need you
Speaker 4: to give it to the news, says it to some
Speaker 4: find some random person and says, I need you to
Speaker 4: give this to the news. I also expoke to the
Speaker 4: news broadcast woman who they're talking about.
Speaker 3: He said he said it was fake.
Speaker 4: And I couldn't think of how, Like, how do you
Speaker 4: how do you make a conversation with someone like that?
Speaker 4: I found I found her on LinkedIn and I needed
Speaker 4: to had changed fields completely and I'm like, how do
Speaker 4: I call this woman and say so? I sent her
Speaker 4: flowers with my phone number and she told me the
Speaker 4: exact thing that I just read from this from this
Speaker 4: guy that She's like, but you know that was fake.
Speaker 4: And I'm like, well what, I actually have this conversation
Speaker 4: on YouTube and it's unlisted because she's got a completely
Speaker 4: different profession now, and out of respect for her privacy,
Speaker 4: but like, I send it to friend, so I'll send
Speaker 4: it to you. She's like, you know, that wasn't even real.
Speaker 4: And I'm like, well, what makes you say that? And
Speaker 4: she's like, well, you know, they said it was this
Speaker 4: thing that they caught and We didn't even do any
Speaker 4: research into it. We didn't do any due diligence, and
Speaker 4: I kind of got in trouble from my producer. He
Speaker 4: was like, you don't pay things unless you've looked into him.
Speaker 1: And so.
Speaker 4: I asked where did it come from, Like what was
Speaker 4: the address? Well, she said it came from Facebook, but
Speaker 4: someone else on LinkedIn had told me that it was
Speaker 4: emailed from an email address with dot M I L
Speaker 4: at the end, dot gmail dot com now Yahoo dot com,
Speaker 4: DotMil and that's military, which I found fascinating when I
Speaker 4: couldn't understand why there was a disparity between it. Emily's Turners. Okay,
Speaker 4: so that's not her maiden name. She's married now and
Speaker 4: she didn't have the name anymore. So Emily Turner was
Speaker 4: the news broadcast person who initially reported on the story,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, why is she telling me somebody sent
Speaker 4: it on Facebook and this other person is saying they
Speaker 4: sent it from an email address. I got back to
Speaker 4: on LinkedIn and I saw exactly why, and it was
Speaker 4: because I had accidentally emailed someone else from a new
Speaker 4: station that was also in Baton Rage, Louisiana. But it
Speaker 4: just wasn't the same station. So someone did you get
Speaker 4: where I'm going with this? They didn't just send this
Speaker 4: to one news station. Whoever was sending this, send it
Speaker 4: to who knows how many and at this point they get.
Speaker 1: It kind of thing. Maybe possibly, I think.
Speaker 3: So, Yeah, I don't know why.
Speaker 4: I don't know why the day was changed, but I cannot,
Speaker 4: for the life of me, figure why anyone someone went
Speaker 4: to a decent amount of trouble to edit that photo
Speaker 4: and change it and then get it on the news.
Speaker 4: Because if we know they send it to two news stations,
Speaker 4: how many more could they have sent it to?
Speaker 8: You?
Speaker 7: Right?
Speaker 4: And so my thoughts on that are, you know, you
Speaker 4: changed one tiny little bit of information on something like that,
Speaker 4: and it caused into question the entire credibility of the image.
Speaker 3: And so yeah, the date it's.
Speaker 4: Wrong, so it's fate, it's the and then the internet
Speaker 4: takes to go the rest.
Speaker 1: So you're correct, you know, they just eat it alive,
Speaker 1: you know, and they just to rip it apart and
Speaker 1: that's it. Wow, you've done some deep dives on this.
Speaker 1: You definitely have done some deep dives on this. And
Speaker 1: I don't want to hold you too much longer, but
Speaker 1: you know, it's because I know we're running a little
Speaker 1: bit late. But is there anything No, No, no worries,
Speaker 1: No worries. Is there anything else you want to bring
Speaker 1: up about this or anything else?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: So okay, I wanted to I'm not a obviously, I'm
Speaker 4: not a professional photo forensics person.
Speaker 3: I did take a I spent a.
Speaker 4: Lot of time learning about it. So I thought for
Speaker 4: the documentary, I'm gonna take the low detecture.
Speaker 3: I'm going to do this.
Speaker 4: I want to hire an actual photo forensics person to
Speaker 4: get to go take me seriously, first of all, because
Speaker 4: it's hard to find people to take you seriously when
Speaker 4: you're sitting on a picture like this, and you know,
Speaker 4: I want to have them go through it and tell
Speaker 4: me what's up. So I get on freelancer dot com
Speaker 4: and I even paid for the service where a recreator
Speaker 4: will help you find someone. And so people are applying
Speaker 4: and they don't know any more than I do. Like
Speaker 4: I'm asking on what methods are you going to use?
Speaker 4: And so they list off all these methods and one
Speaker 4: of them tells me, well, I'm gonna look at the layers. No,
Speaker 4: you're not man, because jaypecked. They don't have layers. There's
Speaker 4: no layers to a japag. What are you talking about?
Speaker 4: And so finally the creator recruiter was like, Missy, I'm
Speaker 4: just gonna give you a heads up. Look, no human
Speaker 4: alive is going to be able to analyze this photo
Speaker 4: the way AI could analyze it.
Speaker 3: So I'm going to send you a lead.
Speaker 4: And so he did, and I put the picture through
Speaker 4: the AI and we went through all the prompts and
Speaker 4: it would come back and give me the answers. And
Speaker 4: at the end of it, this was the best part.
Speaker 4: I the final question I asked. I was like, what
Speaker 4: are the odds that a photo that was captured thirteen
Speaker 4: years ago? Eleven year? What was? Okay, twenty ten and
Speaker 4: now we're in twenty twenty four, So how how old
Speaker 4: is that? I can't I can't mask it, right, what
Speaker 4: is that? Eleven years, fourteen years, I don't even know,
Speaker 4: twenty ten, ten?
Speaker 3: Come on, miss twenty ten to twenty years? There weekend?
Speaker 4: I think I said thirteen because I think I did
Speaker 4: this Sneecember. Yeah, So I'm like, what are the odds
Speaker 4: that an image that was manipulated thirteen years ago could
Speaker 4: escape the image manipulation detection techniques that we have today,
Speaker 4: it's virtually impossible. And AI did not pick up any
Speaker 4: manipulation around the creature. Everything was uniform. There was a
Speaker 4: there was a there was a low noise level, but
Speaker 4: it was it was across the whole image. I mean,
Speaker 4: AI did analysis that I didn't even know were possible.
Speaker 4: There were about sixteen different things that ran and it
Speaker 4: found no evidence of manipulation.
Speaker 1: So you've done all this research on this photo, you know,
Speaker 1: just to prove that it's legit, and this is what
Speaker 1: you saw pretty.
Speaker 3: Much, all right. So Rick Grevinik I mentioned him earlier, and.
Speaker 4: He's he had one of these things coming up in
Speaker 4: his backyard and a lot of people say that his
Speaker 4: video is faked. He had an I keep put him
Speaker 4: wrong on password for my phone was oh, he had
Speaker 4: a lot of people get people just really give you
Speaker 4: a hard time. So it doesn't surprise me that nobody
Speaker 4: comes forward with this stuff because they can just be
Speaker 4: so hateful. But he's okay, this this video with Rick Grevinick,
Speaker 4: and I'm currently in touch with him, and so I'm
Speaker 4: super excited about that. But he's he's having weird things
Speaker 4: happening at his house and he's asleep on the couch
Speaker 4: one night and hears something open the screen door, and
Speaker 4: so he's like, I'm going to take video. So he's
Speaker 4: sitting on his son porch and he's got his iPad
Speaker 4: in the in the in the screened in area, and
Speaker 4: he's sitting back and he calls it his preacher because
Speaker 4: he's terrified. And what you're what you're looking at is
Speaker 4: a humanoid creature and it's moving all weird. When I
Speaker 4: saw that, I knew, I knew he wasn't full of
Speaker 4: it because the way this thing moves, it's it's pretty.
Speaker 3: It's the same.
Speaker 4: It's it's the same thing I describe when I said,
Speaker 4: you can read a story written by someone who has
Speaker 4: experienced something very similar to what you have, and you know,
Speaker 4: you just know they're telling the truth. It's the same
Speaker 4: with watching this thing move. The way it kind of
Speaker 4: was like it'll bob and weave. It's not no coordination there.
Speaker 3: Oh, it's so yes, and it's doing this. It's like
Speaker 3: all curious looking.
Speaker 4: So there was that one that and then when I
Speaker 4: saw that, I commented and said, you know, guys, there's
Speaker 4: this other video of a moose on the side of
Speaker 4: the road in Canada being stalked by this pale white
Speaker 4: humanoid and it's moving the same way. You know, a
Speaker 4: lot of people try to tell me that's a blob
Speaker 4: on a wind child, but you'll have for me the
Speaker 4: I stabilized it side by side, and then I stabilized
Speaker 4: the original. And the woman who took the video, she
Speaker 4: didn't notice this pale creature when she took the video.
Speaker 4: They were just recording a moose on the side of
Speaker 4: the road, because I guess that people do that. Oh know, well, yeah,
Speaker 4: moose is here. Big I remember the first time I
Speaker 4: saw me. So yeah, something to stop you, of course, yeah,
Speaker 4: you stop. You take some pictures and take some videos,
Speaker 4: of course, right, yeah, but you can see this thing.
Speaker 4: It's like kind of stalking it and the way it's moving.
Speaker 4: So then there's another video. It's amazing how many videos
Speaker 4: you don't have videos like this bigfoot. You might get
Speaker 4: a blur or people say, oh, you filmed that with
Speaker 4: a potato and it's like, of course, Idaho, like what
Speaker 4: you're still using Nikon's It's not easy to get pictures
Speaker 4: things like this. Look, I'll tell you when I saw
Speaker 4: that thing in the raad, the last thing on my
Speaker 4: mind was picking up my camera or phone or whatever
Speaker 4: and getting a kid picture for everybody to look at.
Speaker 4: I was thinking, I don't know what I was thinking,
Speaker 4: but it wasn't about getting a picture. So usually these
Speaker 4: these videos were taken by mistake, like that they accidentally
Speaker 4: captured it, or like in Rick's case, he was fed
Speaker 4: up because where things were happening, and he puts the
Speaker 4: thing in screen porch and and it's long, it's a
Speaker 4: long video. But the so you've got that one, You've
Speaker 4: got the guy or the one on the side of
Speaker 4: the red stalk in the maze. People say it's a
Speaker 4: smudge on the windshield. I want to smack them. Every
Speaker 4: time I hear that that is not that is not
Speaker 4: a smudge on windshield, I'd be I mean, you know,
Speaker 4: their their opinion is valid. I guess I just strongly disagree.
Speaker 4: Then the other most compelling one I could think of is, uh,
Speaker 4: the sky's in an ice cave and I want to
Speaker 4: say Armenia, and it could have been a different country
Speaker 4: or Austra. Anyway, he's in an ice cave and he's
Speaker 4: filming and you and he's like, you know, the camera
Speaker 4: pans up and you see this pale humanoid creature scaling
Speaker 4: the side of this ice cave just like leg like
Speaker 4: arm over leg over, arm over leg. And it looks
Speaker 4: just like thinging rickyard. And it looks just like the
Speaker 4: mas on the side of the red Now, I mean
Speaker 4: not just like, but.
Speaker 1: The similar pretty similar.
Speaker 4: I was so similar that, like, how can you even deny?
Speaker 4: I mean, it's wild. And there's there's more. There's a
Speaker 4: lot of them. The most recent one is these people
Speaker 4: from Kentucky caught one on their security camera and it's
Speaker 4: walking like on It's it's not it's not like crawling
Speaker 4: like you see mysel them. It's bipedal and you could
Speaker 4: hear the people talking. And unfortunately it's a video of
Speaker 4: a video, and you get that a lot with things
Speaker 4: like this. But it looked just like. I mean, they
Speaker 4: all look so similar. It's just I don't understand how
Speaker 4: well I do understand because they're scared. People are scared.
Speaker 4: You don't want to believe something like that exists. To
Speaker 4: believe something like that exists is to be uncomfortable all
Speaker 4: the time. So yep, I mean, because I have actual
Speaker 4: permission to use those videos.
Speaker 3: But there's there's a lot out there.
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, there's the Nuke's Top five list
Speaker 4: or whatever, you know, those they have all kinds of
Speaker 4: crazy videos, and of course some of them could be fake,
Speaker 4: but all of them, you know, is there a conspiracy
Speaker 4: that's been going on for thousands of years. We all
Speaker 4: get together to have Look, we're gonna we're gonna make
Speaker 4: up some stories about these bald humanoids and let's keep
Speaker 4: it going, guys. And my great grandmother told me, and
Speaker 4: her great grandmother told her that doesn't make any sense
Speaker 4: to me.
Speaker 3: That's highly unlikely.
Speaker 1: So no, of course, And I want to say thank
Speaker 1: you so much for making the time, you know, and
Speaker 1: even having your internet go out, you know, having the
Speaker 1: line cut and still still making it. That is That
Speaker 1: is great. I really want to say thank you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no problem.
Speaker 4: We should get together and talk again because I need
Speaker 4: to tell you about the story I found about the
Speaker 4: live giant that was called in Alabama in the eighteen
Speaker 4: seventy seven.
Speaker 1: What okay, okay, yes, we're gonna stop this right because
Speaker 1: that is I definitely want to hear more of that one, Missy.
Speaker 4: Definitely, it's the best story. I can't believe I even
Speaker 4: came across this. Yeah, I'm excited. That's what I'm working
Speaker 4: on right now, among other things. But I'm really excited
Speaker 4: about that.
Speaker 1: Wow. Okay, yeah, I'm game. I'm totally gay for that, Missy.
Speaker 1: This has been fantastic. I really want to say thank
Speaker 1: you for you know, spending the time and and talking
Speaker 1: to us and telling us here about your experience and
Speaker 1: about your research, because you know it that this experience
Speaker 1: has spurned you and and you know created a you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know, a drive. Uh, you know, just this
Speaker 1: this this new goal in your life, you know.
Speaker 3: Which is it's madness.
Speaker 1: But I love it, yes, exactly. So I definitely want
Speaker 1: to say thank you so much, Missy.
Speaker 4: I feel like I'm the lucky one for being able
Speaker 4: to come on and talk to you. I've had so
Speaker 4: much fun. It was like talking to a friend. I
Speaker 4: really enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: Thanks. I agree, I agree, thank you so much, Missy.
Speaker 1: And we will get back to your here right away,
Speaker 1: all right. So I want to say thank you to Missy. Wow,
Speaker 1: we we could have kept on talking and talking. That
Speaker 1: was great. She's got a lot of she's done a
Speaker 1: lot of research.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: It seems to be that I keep finding people that
Speaker 1: have done so much research, you know, like Missy with
Speaker 1: her her pale walkers or crawlers. You know, we got
Speaker 1: Sebastian with his UFOs show, Costa with with the UFOs
Speaker 1: as well, and just so many and Walter Walter Bosley
Speaker 1: with all his research on portals and in the lay lines.
Speaker 1: It's been great. You know, this is exactly what we're
Speaker 1: trying to do. We're trying to collect all this information
Speaker 1: and you know, pass it on to you. And so
Speaker 1: again that's for you, the listener, you the watcher, that
Speaker 1: is what this is for. It's for you to acquire
Speaker 1: more knowledge and just grow and to come along on
Speaker 1: this journey with us as we try to figure out
Speaker 1: what is going on. And like I always say, keep
Speaker 1: your curiosities wandering and ensure that the light remains lit.
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