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<v Speaker 1>I'm Ray. You're Codega, here to lead you through the

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<v Speaker 1>shadows of the unknown. My journeys have carried me across

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<v Speaker 1>hidden corners of the world, two places steeped in wonder,

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<v Speaker 1>whispers and unanswered questions. Walk with me as we uncover

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<v Speaker 1>ancient civilizations, unravel unexplained phenomena, and chase the legends that

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<v Speaker 1>refuse to die. Welcome to Codega's Codex of Curiosities.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, everyone, Welcome back to another episode of Codega's

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<v Speaker 2>Codex of Curiosities.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Ray.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm the Codega, here to guide you on these strange, weird, mysterious,

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<v Speaker 2>unexplainable adventures. And speaking of adventures, we got one for

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<v Speaker 2>you today, Missy Lay who's experienced a pale crawler. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>I know a lot of people have their doubts with

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<v Speaker 2>pale crawlers, but Missy goes into extreme depths, not just

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<v Speaker 2>with her experience, but she starts exploring this phenomena, this

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<v Speaker 2>cryptid or whatever you want to call it. This is

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<v Speaker 2>her time to shine and to show you all the

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<v Speaker 2>work that she's done. All right, now, I want to

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<v Speaker 2>give a shout out to Cult of Conspiracy for having

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<v Speaker 2>me on as one of their affiliates. They have a

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<v Speaker 2>fantastic channel and a fantastic group of listeners. So if

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<v Speaker 2>you guys are enjoying this, why don't you guys jump

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<v Speaker 2>on over to my channel as well, Codega's Codex of Curiosities,

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<v Speaker 2>so you can get even more of this great content.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, let's get to it and welcome Missy to

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<v Speaker 2>the channel. All right, Missy, welcome to Codega's Codex of Curiosities.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, thank you so much for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>Definitely looking forward to this me too.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm excited. I haven't done one of these in a

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<v Speaker 3>long time.

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<v Speaker 1>So what do you tell our listeners and our viewers

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit about yourself and maybe where they can

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<v Speaker 1>find you?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, sure, yeah? Really?

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<v Speaker 4>Just I you know, I was working in marketing and

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<v Speaker 4>living a pretty standard life. Dare I don't say normal,

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<v Speaker 4>you know what's normal? But I everything's was going pretty good.

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<v Speaker 4>Had a house, a husband, a little boy at home.

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<v Speaker 4>And what what brought me into this field basically is uh,

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<v Speaker 4>I was headed home from my mom's house and it

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<v Speaker 4>was a Sunday, and I know that because I always

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<v Speaker 4>go see my mom on's Sunday. And I rounded this

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<v Speaker 4>corner and I could see I could see something I

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<v Speaker 4>hadn't ray, and I thought, Okay, it's a deer. But

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<v Speaker 4>I'm getting closer and something's not making sense. It's not

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<v Speaker 4>a deer and it's this pale, emaciated humanoid. It's on

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<v Speaker 4>all fours, like just dead in the center of the road.

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<v Speaker 4>And by the time I'm like on the thing, I'm

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<v Speaker 4>had a complete stop just staring at it. Its mouth

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<v Speaker 4>was like gaping open, like it was like it was

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<v Speaker 4>on a hand, almost like a scream face, but just

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<v Speaker 4>like like and no sound was coming out in that part.

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<v Speaker 4>Like I think about that party even today, I get chills.

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<v Speaker 4>And this was like twenty eighteen.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a while ago, well not that long ago, but.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, right, so well it seems like forever ago and

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<v Speaker 4>then yesterday at the same time. True because after that,

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<v Speaker 4>like also, you know, and I can get into more

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<v Speaker 4>you know what happened when I was sitting there, But

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<v Speaker 4>it was like I never looked back, like I have

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<v Speaker 4>not been able to put it down. I think I

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<v Speaker 4>said the other day to someone, you know, like I'm

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<v Speaker 4>one of those people. I'm like, we're going to the

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<v Speaker 4>rabbit hole, and then we're like all the way into

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<v Speaker 4>the middle of the earth.

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<v Speaker 3>We've almost reached magnum and I'm like, we're there, guys?

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<v Speaker 3>Were they?

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<v Speaker 4>And I look up and everyone else's gone home, and

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<v Speaker 4>I'm like, just just me, just me standing there.

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<v Speaker 3>But I it was.

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<v Speaker 4>It disturbed me so much just because you you think

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<v Speaker 4>you know the world right, and then if this exists,

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<v Speaker 4>and I know this thing was real, then what what

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<v Speaker 4>else could be out there? And it just raises all

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<v Speaker 4>kinds of questions about the reality we live in. If

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<v Speaker 4>it you know, what is reality even? And what are

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<v Speaker 4>these things? And I ended up after the experience, it

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<v Speaker 4>got to me so bad. I saw a therapist and

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<v Speaker 4>he was great. Really he made me angry when I

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<v Speaker 4>like when I first sat down with him, but he

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<v Speaker 4>ended up saying something and this was the this was

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<v Speaker 4>the catalyst it all. He was like, you know, Missy,

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<v Speaker 4>have you considered that there are other people who have

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<v Speaker 4>maybe experienced something similar to what you did? And I

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<v Speaker 4>was like, because when when he planted that seed that

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<v Speaker 4>that would play in my head over and ever, have

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<v Speaker 4>you considered there's other people who've experienced something similar? And

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<v Speaker 4>it was like I could hear it echo in my head.

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<v Speaker 4>It was like it had acoustic to it. When I

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<v Speaker 4>would hear a replay, I'm like, what is this guy's

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<v Speaker 4>Jedi mind tricked me? So I started looking into it,

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<v Speaker 4>and as it turns out, there are a tremendous amount

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<v Speaker 4>of people who've had experiences with the entity that I

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<v Speaker 4>described seeing in the road that night.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like PCA, Pale Crawlers, anonymous. You know, it's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like you need to find support groups or something

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<v Speaker 1>like that.

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<v Speaker 3>It's well, it's true.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna I'm gonna suggest that anybody he's looking for

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<v Speaker 4>support don't go on Reddit.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't don't go.

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<v Speaker 4>Don't go and Reddit looking for support because they can

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<v Speaker 4>be vindictive. Oh well, they can be. It's a cesspool.

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<v Speaker 4>I was here sometimes, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>It is like, you know what, like when I was

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<v Speaker 1>describing earlier that that glitch in the Matrix thing that

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<v Speaker 1>I had, and I posted that on on Reddit and

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<v Speaker 1>glitchen the matrix, and of course there are people, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there are people there. They're like, oh, you have like

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<v Speaker 1>you must have mental problems or something like that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's oh and and they're literally trying to diagnose me,

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<v Speaker 1>and oh, you had you had a seizure. That's what

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<v Speaker 1>happened you had a sear.

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<v Speaker 4>And I'm like, we all know that you're saying these

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<v Speaker 4>things from your mom's basement.

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<v Speaker 3>How can you feel like.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, yeah, that that they are so judgy and

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<v Speaker 4>for it to be for these subreddits to be places

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<v Speaker 4>for people to talk about craziness, you know, and and

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<v Speaker 4>then they get judging about the craziness.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh. What kills me is when they'll.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, so they say something nasty to you and you

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<v Speaker 4>say something back, and it embarrasses them, so before you

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<v Speaker 4>can even reply, they block you.

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<v Speaker 3>Like yeah, it's wild.

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<v Speaker 1>It's wild, Like I do say, like Reddit has that,

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<v Speaker 1>but it also has there is some benefits to it.

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<v Speaker 1>I have found, like, you know, some some gems on there,

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<v Speaker 1>like I I I don't know if you've recalled my

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<v Speaker 1>my episode that we had when I was at the

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<v Speaker 1>Lost Frequency with Ginger. She she had some abduction alien

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<v Speaker 1>abduction stories and then she had some other uh crazy

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<v Speaker 1>other stories as well, and uh and and she was

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<v Speaker 1>on Reddit. It was kind of like we we we

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<v Speaker 1>found each other on Reddit and she's like, oh, I

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<v Speaker 1>listened to your podcast and so we ended up connecting

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<v Speaker 1>and she's like, oh, I have some crazy well, she

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<v Speaker 1>had posted about a crazy story and I'm like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>would you mind talking about it? And she found out

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<v Speaker 1>who I was and was pretty excited to come on.

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<v Speaker 1>So there are some there are you know, you you

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<v Speaker 1>can't find like the the diamond in the rough.

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<v Speaker 4>I guess you could say absolutely there are some gems

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<v Speaker 4>on there. My one of my very best friends, one

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<v Speaker 4>of my favorite people in the world. His name is

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<v Speaker 4>Ethan Hey then by the way, Hayes Gret and he's

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<v Speaker 4>like a true researcher, you know, like a like he

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<v Speaker 4>doesn't he can put emotions to the side, and a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of people lack this ability. It doesn't matter what

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<v Speaker 4>hurt your feelings. We're trying, like a lot of us

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<v Speaker 4>are just trying to get to the bottom of this,

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<v Speaker 4>which maybe we might never you know, but if you're

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<v Speaker 4>gonna get caught up in the bullying and trying to

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<v Speaker 4>tell someone they didn't experience what they absolutely know they did.

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<v Speaker 4>Like when you have had an experience like that and

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<v Speaker 4>someone invalidates you, Oh the pain. It's like it hurts

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<v Speaker 4>almost as bad as or sometimes worse than having the

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<v Speaker 4>actual experience, and wondering, like wondering who am I and

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<v Speaker 4>what's my place in the world?

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<v Speaker 3>Now, There are definitely some gems.

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<v Speaker 4>I started on Reddit talking about the things that I

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<v Speaker 4>was because I had sat back for a long time

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<v Speaker 4>and watched people and how difficult they could be. And

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<v Speaker 4>I wanted that because I was like, if I'm going

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<v Speaker 4>to talk about this, like, I want to be able

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<v Speaker 4>to do so in a way that I'm not getting

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<v Speaker 4>caught up in logical fallacies. So like, I scold myself

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<v Speaker 4>on that. And because you can't really when you're you

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<v Speaker 4>can argue logic all day long. If someone's set in

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<v Speaker 4>their beliefs, you're not going to change. You're not gonna

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<v Speaker 4>change their mind. But you're definitely not going to change

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<v Speaker 4>anybody's mind if you're just constantly appealing to emotion.

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<v Speaker 3>And you should feel sorry for me.

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<v Speaker 4>And and this is the way it is, because I

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<v Speaker 4>said so and all the you know, the ad hominine attacks.

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<v Speaker 3>But I went on a tangent. I apologize.

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<v Speaker 1>No, that's why it's funny that you say that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you schooled yourself on the logical fallacies. I've done the

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<v Speaker 1>same thing, you know, like the Red Harry, you know

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<v Speaker 1>at hominine attacks. Yeah, the Straublem and you know, they're

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<v Speaker 1>all out there, and of course we're the ones who

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<v Speaker 1>have to actually look into and discover them. Whereas the

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<v Speaker 1>people who deny the experiences that have happened, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they just violate them all. And it's like, come on,

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<v Speaker 1>like you can't have we can't have a decent conversation

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<v Speaker 1>when you're denying things, and and that kind of stems

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<v Speaker 1>to I will say, like there are certain camps when

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<v Speaker 1>we get to certain cryptids that they're like, Nope, it's

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<v Speaker 1>only this, or Nope, it's only that, and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't know, Like it could be only this and

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<v Speaker 1>it could be only that, but we don't know, and

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<v Speaker 1>there's too many other interaction or experiences or you know,

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<v Speaker 1>people have had too many experiences where the WU as

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<v Speaker 1>they call it, I don't really don't like that term,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know, the WU the WO occurs and they

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<v Speaker 1>their experience just gets thrown out because nope, nope, that

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't count. And it's like, yeah, it's.

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<v Speaker 4>Like we get on the internet and we argue like

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<v Speaker 4>everything's black and white, and we all even go live

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<v Speaker 4>our laves in the gray area, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly, Yeah awesome, So let's uh, why don't you take

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<v Speaker 1>us back into this experience. You know, let let's start

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<v Speaker 1>from the beginning. Let's uh, you know, you said it

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<v Speaker 1>was twenty eighteen, you know, was it the spring or

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<v Speaker 1>fall or what time of year was it as well?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, so it okay.

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<v Speaker 4>At first, I didn't remember if it was twenty eighteen

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<v Speaker 4>or twenty nineteen, and everybody was like, oh, the mean

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<v Speaker 4>ju line. But it doesn't mean your line. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>unless you have something to anchor memory to, it's not

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<v Speaker 4>honeysuckles and my windows were down, and I remember that

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<v Speaker 4>because my air conditioner and my tahee had gone out

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<v Speaker 4>the day before, and so this is really strange. But

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<v Speaker 4>man after shape, like an old spice type smell. Just

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<v Speaker 4>if somebody hiding in the back of my vehicle. Like

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<v Speaker 4>you've heard of them. They published, like Steve said, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>do a sketch of what I saw, and so I've

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<v Speaker 4>seemed like eternity passed in that in those moments, and

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<v Speaker 4>even a minute. But I'm staring at this creature it's

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know what, because I didn't have any any

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<v Speaker 4>kind of comparison. You know, there was nothing like that

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<v Speaker 4>that I'd ever seen before. I had, you know, what

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<v Speaker 3>But it wasn't that. It was. It was animalistic, it

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<v Speaker 4>It was naked, and I say that and then thinking

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<v Speaker 4>it Because I had no idea what I was looking at.

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<v Speaker 4>So and I'll smile when I talk about it now,

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<v Speaker 4>but it like I had a hard time. I love

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<v Speaker 4>to keep them crying sometimes because I was sitting there

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<v Speaker 4>and at some point it gets up on its two

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<v Speaker 3>It was set. There was like no meat on this thing.

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<v Speaker 4>But at some point it stands up on its two

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<v Speaker 4>back legs and I'm I'm in the road, and it

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<v Speaker 4>launches itself to the left of me, towards this field

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<v Speaker 4>and lets out this screech that is set. I mean

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<v Speaker 4>it my ears were ringing. It was so horrifying. It

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<v Speaker 4>sounded like a combination between like a mountain lion and

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<v Speaker 4>a woman being What's what did they tell me? I

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<v Speaker 4>had to say, I can't say I'm unlived. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 4>didn't know you couldn't say the N word anymore. That

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<v Speaker 4>apparently there's certain ones that you can't.

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<v Speaker 1>It's crazy.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well unlived then, yeah, like a combination of the two.

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<v Speaker 4>It wasn't one or the other, but it was also

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I've grown up in the you know, I've

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<v Speaker 4>lived in rural areas my whole life. My dad took

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<v Speaker 4>an adult. I've never heard anything like that, and it

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<v Speaker 4>was horrifying. So then I drove off and I have

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<v Speaker 4>I'm blank, there's like no memory of where I was

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<v Speaker 4>when this creature like took off and I started driving again.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't remember putting my foot back on the gas nothing,

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<v Speaker 4>And so then I'm pulled over on the side of

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<v Speaker 4>the road and I'm trying to ease my phone and

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<v Speaker 4>That was a really strange experience because I could not

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<v Speaker 4>It was like I was looking at something foreign.

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<v Speaker 3>I couldn't figure out what to do with it.

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<v Speaker 4>Even I mean, I knew I had this thing in

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<v Speaker 4>my hand, and I knew that I could do something

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<v Speaker 4>with it, and I could get a hold of someone,

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<v Speaker 4>but I didn't know how to do that, which is

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<v Speaker 4>trauma probably, you know, because then after that, I also

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<v Speaker 4>had trouble finding my way home, and this is a

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<v Speaker 4>drive I've made thousands of times, you know. So I

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<v Speaker 4>got back to my house and I my daughter tells

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<v Speaker 4>me she was talking to me the other night about it.

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<v Speaker 4>We hadn't, you know, I don't talk to my kids

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<v Speaker 4>about it much because it's just like my mom's that

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<v Speaker 4>crazy lady who put out ads in the local newspaper

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<v Speaker 4>looking for other people had seeing this creature, and you

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<v Speaker 4>know that they support me. But we hadn't. We just

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<v Speaker 4>really hadn't talked about it much. And she was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>I remember that night. Well, she was like, you came in.

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<v Speaker 4>I was, I was about an hour late than expected,

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<v Speaker 4>and she was like, you went straight to the bedroom

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<v Speaker 4>and you didn't come out for a few days. And

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<v Speaker 4>that surprised me, because I remember sitting in the bedroom

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<v Speaker 4>for the entire day, like and I was literally like

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<v Speaker 4>staring at a wall.

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<v Speaker 3>Like because I couldn't.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I'm sure I was having a very urgent

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<v Speaker 4>conversation with myself, but I don't remember the exact dialogue,

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<v Speaker 4>but probably like Okay, Missy, you were losing your mind.

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<v Speaker 4>How long do you have before everyone figures it out?

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<v Speaker 4>And if they figure it out, what are they gonna

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<v Speaker 4>do with you? Like can you play this song for

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<v Speaker 4>so that was I'd also wet my pants when I

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<v Speaker 4>And that's I'm not embarrassed to say that. Like one

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<v Speaker 4>of my friends told me once. He was like, Missy one,

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<v Speaker 4>it could number one, it could have been worse, and

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<v Speaker 4>number two and I'm just like, Okay, I go, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>it could have been worse.

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<v Speaker 1>And number two.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah, say no more, yeah it could have been more.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's not a like like, that's not an uncommon

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<v Speaker 1>thing from some of these experiences. You know, you talk

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<v Speaker 1>to some people like like Martin Gross when he had

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<v Speaker 1>experience with a stashquatch and dogmat at the same time.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, him and his partner both wet and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>soiled themselves.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, I don't. I mean, look, your body does that,

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<v Speaker 4>That's what I mean. That's that's a you know, that's

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<v Speaker 4>a natural process to haven't seen something like that. Having

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<v Speaker 4>something like that happen, you evacuate because you're preparing to die.

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<v Speaker 4>Let's say what Okay, So after that, I had a

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<v Speaker 4>you know, I tried to go on with life. I

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, missy, So you were just telling us that you

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<v Speaker 1>were in your room. Your daughter had told you you're

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<v Speaker 1>in your room for almost a couple of days. That

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<v Speaker 1>that's intense, Like that is you know that this is

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<v Speaker 1>an experience of a I don't want to say I

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<v Speaker 1>have a lifetime because that usually has a positive connotation

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<v Speaker 1>to it. But this is like an experience that just

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<v Speaker 1>rocks and shakes your world, your foundation. That is crazy.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well, you know it's interesting that you say that because.

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<v Speaker 4>I okay, so it's it's not necessarily a negative thing.

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<v Speaker 4>And at the time, if you had asked me this

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<v Speaker 4>and I and told me, you know, in five years

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<v Speaker 4>you're going to talk about how this was a good

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<v Speaker 4>thing for your life, I would have told you were

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<v Speaker 4>out of your mind, and I'd probably I would probably

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<v Speaker 4>slap to you. But when when this happened, I was okay,

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<v Speaker 4>So obviously I'm not the same person I was, and.

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<v Speaker 3>I wasn't terrible, but I thought I was.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I had this sad day like I was

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<v Speaker 4>better than other people, you know, I it didn't, it

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<v Speaker 4>didn't bother me one bit to like hurt someone's feelings.

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<v Speaker 4>I was kind of tactless, you know, just not horrible.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I would virtue signal, you know, till the

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<v Speaker 4>cows were coming home. But just in my heart, I

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<v Speaker 4>wasn't that connection you to that to it, to whatever

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<v Speaker 4>is out there, that that that place that we all

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<v Speaker 4>come from and go back to. It was very lacking.

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<v Speaker 4>And you know, I wasn't eating puppies, but I was

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<v Speaker 4>not very kind. And there is nothing that will humble

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<v Speaker 4>a girl like seeing a role eye monster in the

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<v Speaker 4>middle of the road.

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<v Speaker 1>Said it was.

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<v Speaker 4>It was like one of those life changing experiences where

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't know it at the time what was happening

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<v Speaker 4>or why even, but it's strange, like how it's just

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<v Speaker 4>unfolded and you think, really, really, was this the plan

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<v Speaker 4>for my life? That I was going to see a

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<v Speaker 4>monster in the middle of the road. Decided that I

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<v Speaker 4>couldn't shut up about it and say, Okay, here goes

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<v Speaker 4>the social suicide. I'm going to speak up and then

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<v Speaker 4>just kind of be okay with that, like and and

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<v Speaker 4>then just my capacity for compassion and like accepting people,

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<v Speaker 4>all people for who they are, and understanding that I

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<v Speaker 4>am no better than any individual out there that.

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<v Speaker 3>I can almost tear up that has.

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<v Speaker 4>Been I don't. I wouldn't take any of it back,

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<v Speaker 4>none of it. I've just met some of the weirdest,

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<v Speaker 4>most amazing people, and I kind of like, I've always

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<v Speaker 4>kind of been one of those people. He's like, if

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<v Speaker 4>things are real awkward, I enjoy it, like I like

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<v Speaker 4>I can if it's re all awkward in a ram

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<v Speaker 4>or something like, I'm like, how can I make it

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<v Speaker 4>more awkward?

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<v Speaker 3>Because I'm one of the like I'm one of those

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<v Speaker 3>you tell you.

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<v Speaker 1>About what I saw on the road. Yes.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>When I first started writing the book, my son went

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<v Speaker 4>to a birthday party and so I got to pick

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<v Speaker 4>him up in the mom Fortunately most of them are gone,

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<v Speaker 4>but I walked in and his little friend's mom says,

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<v Speaker 4>Britain says, you're writing a book, And I was like,

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<v Speaker 4>you got a publishing deal, and I was like, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>you ready, buddy. She's like, well, I asked him what

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<v Speaker 4>it was about, and he said he didn't know. I'm like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>it's just, you know, just a little auto biographical. There's

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<v Speaker 4>some weird monster in the road, Teresa. There was a

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<v Speaker 4>really weird minds. Actually it was right down from your house.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah it was though, so you know, but.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I mean about acohol.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I could see the whispers after. They didn't ask

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<v Speaker 3>me to stay for cake.

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<v Speaker 5>Either, exactly like okay, please leave their face the whole time.

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<v Speaker 4>Their faces they're just like and I'm like, no, I'm not.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not gonna tell you. I'm kidding, like this happened funny,

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<v Speaker 4>Like telling the truth will a lot people say they

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<v Speaker 4>value truth over all else.

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<v Speaker 3>But no they don't. No, they don't.

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<v Speaker 1>So they're like the comfort of lives, Yes.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, because it's because it Yeah, it's it's a lot

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<v Speaker 4>more comfortable to you know. It was a lot more

421
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<v Speaker 4>comfortable for me to tell myself prior to this that

422
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<v Speaker 4>I was such a good person, you know, like I

423
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<v Speaker 4>got to work on time every day, I make good money.

424
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<v Speaker 4>I was doing, you know, but I was I was

425
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<v Speaker 4>in my heart, you know, I kind of felt something

426
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<v Speaker 4>was missing and I and I don't know that I

427
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<v Speaker 4>was even aware at the time, how Like I was

428
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<v Speaker 4>growing increasingly uncomfortable leading up to this incident. But but

429
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<v Speaker 4>let's story in. Let's go back to that incident.

430
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<v Speaker 1>So, you know, the something I want to touch on

431
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<v Speaker 1>is that after shave, like the old spice cologne. How

432
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<v Speaker 1>do you what is your thoughts on how that actually

433
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<v Speaker 1>ties into this.

434
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<v Speaker 4>I have no idea because there have been obviously, I've

435
00:22:33.319 --> 00:22:36.640
<v Speaker 4>done a lot of research since then, and I've I've

436
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<v Speaker 4>read things from somebody spelled blueberry pie to someone's smell,

437
00:22:41.440 --> 00:22:42.759
<v Speaker 4>you know, the smell of variddy meat.

438
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<v Speaker 3>But here's something that's crazy.

439
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<v Speaker 4>I had to get someone else to cut my yard

440
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<v Speaker 4>the summer that I was writing the book, and so

441
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<v Speaker 4>hired me yor guy.

442
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<v Speaker 3>He comes and he's making small talk.

443
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<v Speaker 1>What do you do?

444
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<v Speaker 3>Oh, I work from home? What do you do from home?

445
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<v Speaker 1>Right?

446
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<v Speaker 4>What are you right about? And then things get real awkward, right,

447
00:23:04.559 --> 00:23:07.079
<v Speaker 4>And so I started telling him. I'm like, look, I

448
00:23:07.200 --> 00:23:10.160
<v Speaker 4>was going down the road when I and there was

449
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<v Speaker 4>this creature. And he interrupts me, and he describes the

450
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<v Speaker 4>exact creature. What yes, because he and his girlfriend though

451
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<v Speaker 4>it too. They saw the same thing. And this is

452
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<v Speaker 4>on the same raid. And I'm asking, you know, I

453
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<v Speaker 4>was supposed to interview him for the documentary, and we're

454
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<v Speaker 4>gonna have to go back and go a round two.

455
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<v Speaker 3>So maybe I can get him on the second.

456
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<v Speaker 4>Maybe I can get him this summer, because we didn't

457
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<v Speaker 4>get everything we needed in the well in January. But

458
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<v Speaker 4>he's like, yeah, we we accidentally ran off the road

459
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<v Speaker 4>and and this no way pulled over to use the bathroom,

460
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<v Speaker 4>and he said, all of a sudden, it was like

461
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<v Speaker 4>I smelled my grandpa.

462
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<v Speaker 3>And when he said that, I was like, so I

463
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<v Speaker 3>didn't tell him. I didn't tell him that I had.

464
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<v Speaker 4>Also, I was searching my car the next day after

465
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<v Speaker 4>this happened for like some rage bottle of old spies

466
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<v Speaker 4>because it was so strong.

467
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<v Speaker 3>But I don't know what to make of that.

468
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<v Speaker 4>I could speculate and I could say, you know, where's

469
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<v Speaker 4>my tinful hat?

470
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<v Speaker 3>Because you know, you wonder.

471
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<v Speaker 1>It almost sounds like it was like trying to create

472
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<v Speaker 1>like a comfort, like something like like to comfort and calm. Yeah,

473
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<v Speaker 1>something is like like you said, my grandpa. I mean,

474
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<v Speaker 1>like you said his grandpa. You're like most old spice,

475
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<v Speaker 1>which would be like grandpa as well. Or blueberry pie, yeah,

476
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<v Speaker 1>or blueberry pie the other person. But Rodney Meat, of course,

477
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<v Speaker 1>is completely on the other spectrum.

478
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<v Speaker 4>But it's like, maybe maybe they're not as whatever these

479
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<v Speaker 4>things are. And I do believe that, well, I believe

480
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<v Speaker 4>that they're not just purely physical. I think they kind

481
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<v Speaker 4>of go back and forth between, which is I know

482
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<v Speaker 4>sounds crazy, but when you get to look into things

483
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<v Speaker 4>like this, it's just like the number of stories that

484
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<v Speaker 4>you read. And I've read so many and I've even

485
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<v Speaker 4>input so I'm a nerd. So I take all these

486
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<v Speaker 4>stories and I input these into software that pulls data points,

487
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<v Speaker 4>so like I've got like I've got a profile of

488
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<v Speaker 4>these things. And you know, like just because something is

489
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<v Speaker 4>true for one person's story doesn't mean like the presence

490
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<v Speaker 4>or absence of that one thing, you know, validates any

491
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<v Speaker 4>claim or invalidates any claim. But there are some really

492
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<v Speaker 4>strange even the mimicking mimicking voices that I got a

493
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<v Speaker 4>story from this one guy, and to date, it's the

494
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<v Speaker 4>scariest story I've ever heard. As far as these things,

495
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<v Speaker 4>I call them crawl. The first time I saw it.

496
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<v Speaker 4>I think I called it a chalk white What the

497
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<v Speaker 4>wt because it was like chalk white, But that's all

498
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<v Speaker 4>I overlooked. I was gonna ask you the color of

499
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<v Speaker 4>the skin. So you're saying it was chalk white? Yeah,

500
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<v Speaker 4>but almost, okay, almost trans parent like a dolphin skin.

501
00:26:03.160 --> 00:26:07.759
<v Speaker 4>Wet like dolphin skin, but like almost transparent, like okay,

502
00:26:07.759 --> 00:26:09.279
<v Speaker 4>you know when a baby bird is born and you

503
00:26:09.319 --> 00:26:11.960
<v Speaker 4>can like see all this this this that I don't

504
00:26:12.000 --> 00:26:13.519
<v Speaker 4>take a part of animals or anything, but you know,

505
00:26:13.920 --> 00:26:15.720
<v Speaker 4>like one falls out of an astra, cat gets it,

506
00:26:16.400 --> 00:26:19.720
<v Speaker 4>you see it. But more so than that, I've also

507
00:26:19.759 --> 00:26:22.880
<v Speaker 4>seen them described as like a blow, like a like

508
00:26:22.920 --> 00:26:27.440
<v Speaker 4>a blob of jelly type stuff. And I don't know,

509
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<v Speaker 4>I don't look. I've been researching this since I guess,

510
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<v Speaker 4>so I guess it would have been twenty nineteen maybe

511
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<v Speaker 4>that I really got hardcore into it. And I still

512
00:26:36.440 --> 00:26:38.680
<v Speaker 4>can't tell you what these things are. I have an idea,

513
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<v Speaker 4>like you know, I don't. I don't even know if

514
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<v Speaker 4>it's a good idea.

515
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<v Speaker 3>I could.

516
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<v Speaker 4>I could still be so far off, but I'm pretty

517
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<v Speaker 4>sure that they come from some side ways place that

518
00:26:49.559 --> 00:26:52.240
<v Speaker 4>is just kind of sometimes.

519
00:26:51.799 --> 00:26:55.759
<v Speaker 1>Like the upside down from stranger things almost in a way, right.

520
00:26:55.880 --> 00:26:56.119
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

521
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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And you know I think I've heard that that

522
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<v Speaker 4>was that was based on Project Mom.

523
00:27:01.839 --> 00:27:01.960
<v Speaker 1>Right.

524
00:27:02.039 --> 00:27:04.599
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's weird. That's that's really weird.

525
00:27:05.000 --> 00:27:08.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. They opened they opened a doorway and things came out.

526
00:27:09.200 --> 00:27:11.400
<v Speaker 3>Yes. Yeah. And then you've got what was going on

527
00:27:11.440 --> 00:27:12.359
<v Speaker 3>at the Miami Mall.

528
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't. I don't know about that that. I

529
00:27:16.559 --> 00:27:19.839
<v Speaker 1>have a lot more questions than I do. Uh. I'm

530
00:27:19.880 --> 00:27:24.160
<v Speaker 1>almost believing that it was what they say it was.

531
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<v Speaker 4>I I was in that bait too until I realized it.

532
00:27:29.319 --> 00:27:32.640
<v Speaker 4>Exactly one year ago, on that same day, the news

533
00:27:32.720 --> 00:27:36.440
<v Speaker 4>reported the exact same thing of teenagers shooting fireworks at

534
00:27:36.440 --> 00:27:39.519
<v Speaker 4>the mall about ten cops show up and they get

535
00:27:39.559 --> 00:27:42.000
<v Speaker 4>it under control. But when the people who were in

536
00:27:42.039 --> 00:27:44.160
<v Speaker 4>the mall started coming out and talking about what they saw,

537
00:27:44.359 --> 00:27:47.759
<v Speaker 4>I was like, Oh, yeah, that's kind of there's something

538
00:27:47.759 --> 00:27:52.039
<v Speaker 4>going on there. Look like look at I mean, if you,

539
00:27:52.119 --> 00:27:53.960
<v Speaker 4>if you're ever bored, look into that.

540
00:27:54.480 --> 00:27:56.880
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Yeah, I know I've been asked a couple of

541
00:27:56.960 --> 00:27:59.079
<v Speaker 1>times to look into it, and I and I really

542
00:27:59.720 --> 00:28:01.519
<v Speaker 1>it's not for the lack that I don't believe or

543
00:28:01.759 --> 00:28:04.599
<v Speaker 1>want to believe I've just been so busy, but yeah,

544
00:28:04.720 --> 00:28:05.680
<v Speaker 1>that's how that was.

545
00:28:06.000 --> 00:28:07.880
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and you know what, I think. I didn't want

546
00:28:07.920 --> 00:28:10.880
<v Speaker 4>to believe. I thought, that's so outrageous. And and if

547
00:28:10.920 --> 00:28:14.039
<v Speaker 4>you put the coordinates of the Miami Mall, that where

548
00:28:14.039 --> 00:28:17.440
<v Speaker 4>where they where they were in a bayside Mam. If

549
00:28:17.480 --> 00:28:20.119
<v Speaker 4>you if you reverse latitude and longitude, you end up

550
00:28:20.119 --> 00:28:24.480
<v Speaker 4>in Antarctica square in the middle of Antarctica. Said yeah,

551
00:28:24.519 --> 00:28:27.559
<v Speaker 4>this girl was like, these interlopers or whatever.

552
00:28:27.599 --> 00:28:29.200
<v Speaker 3>I don't even know what an interloper is. I don't

553
00:28:29.200 --> 00:28:30.200
<v Speaker 3>even know if he's the right word.

554
00:28:30.200 --> 00:28:33.920
<v Speaker 4>But these these travelers, they just put the coordinates in wrong.

555
00:28:34.000 --> 00:28:36.440
<v Speaker 4>And I was like, you know that, it's really crazy,

556
00:28:36.480 --> 00:28:40.240
<v Speaker 4>but it's not that crazy, Like that's that's that's possible,

557
00:28:40.319 --> 00:28:43.599
<v Speaker 4>that happened. Like but a lot of people described the

558
00:28:43.680 --> 00:28:46.279
<v Speaker 4>exact same kind of entities because I'd written it off

559
00:28:46.319 --> 00:28:48.720
<v Speaker 4>to Yeah, there's so much out there.

560
00:28:48.960 --> 00:28:50.759
<v Speaker 1>That's something I will look a little bit more into,

561
00:28:50.839 --> 00:28:55.319
<v Speaker 1>because you I really don't know, I really don't know.

562
00:28:55.599 --> 00:29:00.000
<v Speaker 4>Who does who do you know someone? But not that's

563
00:29:00.079 --> 00:29:04.480
<v Speaker 4>when you were saying about experts. I'm weary of anyone

564
00:29:04.519 --> 00:29:07.799
<v Speaker 4>in this fill who calls himselves an expert. I would

565
00:29:07.839 --> 00:29:10.000
<v Speaker 4>call myself more of a collector. I'm a collector of

566
00:29:10.039 --> 00:29:12.680
<v Speaker 4>all these experiences and these knowledge, you know, and just

567
00:29:13.160 --> 00:29:15.680
<v Speaker 4>compiling it, putting it together and trying to make the

568
00:29:15.720 --> 00:29:19.759
<v Speaker 4>best guest guestimates that I can on everything you know,

569
00:29:19.799 --> 00:29:20.920
<v Speaker 4>And it's I do.

570
00:29:21.359 --> 00:29:27.319
<v Speaker 1>I do develop an opinion, but it's my opinion is

571
00:29:27.400 --> 00:29:31.519
<v Speaker 1>open to be changed and you know, and molded differently

572
00:29:31.599 --> 00:29:33.000
<v Speaker 1>the more information I get.

573
00:29:33.359 --> 00:29:34.720
<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, that.

574
00:29:34.920 --> 00:29:36.839
<v Speaker 4>And I say the same thing, like if I'm presented

575
00:29:36.880 --> 00:29:39.599
<v Speaker 4>with any kind of information that's going to contradict what

576
00:29:39.680 --> 00:29:41.200
<v Speaker 4>I currently believe that I have to you know, I've

577
00:29:41.200 --> 00:29:43.839
<v Speaker 4>got to look into it. But I tell people like I,

578
00:29:43.880 --> 00:29:46.240
<v Speaker 4>do you know the people who do this kind of stuff?

579
00:29:46.960 --> 00:29:50.119
<v Speaker 4>I know, like everybody thinks we're not everybody, but a

580
00:29:50.119 --> 00:29:52.079
<v Speaker 4>lot of people think we're straight jack and crazy and

581
00:29:52.119 --> 00:29:55.079
<v Speaker 4>that's fine. But like I think, I even said this

582
00:29:55.119 --> 00:29:57.920
<v Speaker 4>in the book, like we are driven like by something

583
00:29:57.960 --> 00:30:01.319
<v Speaker 4>we absolutely must know. It is a job, and we

584
00:30:01.359 --> 00:30:03.720
<v Speaker 4>feel like life would be just totally incomplete if we

585
00:30:03.720 --> 00:30:06.519
<v Speaker 4>didn't spend it searching for answers. Even if the answer

586
00:30:06.559 --> 00:30:08.960
<v Speaker 4>is you're never going to find an answer, I'm okay

587
00:30:09.000 --> 00:30:09.319
<v Speaker 4>with that.

588
00:30:09.920 --> 00:30:11.079
<v Speaker 3>I just like the questions.

589
00:30:12.359 --> 00:30:15.240
<v Speaker 1>You know, we were talking to Sean Hibbler a couple

590
00:30:15.359 --> 00:30:17.359
<v Speaker 1>like you know in the past there, and he had said,

591
00:30:17.640 --> 00:30:21.119
<v Speaker 1>you know, we're all at heart explorers, you know, whether

592
00:30:21.200 --> 00:30:24.519
<v Speaker 1>it's exploring for new land or exploring for new answers,

593
00:30:24.559 --> 00:30:27.079
<v Speaker 1>you know, we're at heart explorers. We want to go

594
00:30:27.119 --> 00:30:29.359
<v Speaker 1>on this journey and we want to discover new things.

595
00:30:29.480 --> 00:30:31.839
<v Speaker 1>And and you know it doesn't have to be land.

596
00:30:31.880 --> 00:30:34.759
<v Speaker 1>It can be you know, these cryptids. We're just we're

597
00:30:34.799 --> 00:30:37.400
<v Speaker 1>discovering trying to figure out these cryptids. And I think

598
00:30:37.400 --> 00:30:39.599
<v Speaker 1>it's a it's a great and noble quest for us

599
00:30:39.599 --> 00:30:41.160
<v Speaker 1>to be doing and for you to be doing that.

600
00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:44.720
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and you know you find out if you like,

601
00:30:44.799 --> 00:30:47.559
<v Speaker 4>if you can stay humble, like the real exploration is

602
00:30:47.599 --> 00:30:51.079
<v Speaker 4>going in Like that's when that's when you really start

603
00:30:51.119 --> 00:30:53.480
<v Speaker 4>to a lot of things start to make sense, the

604
00:30:53.519 --> 00:30:58.400
<v Speaker 4>synchronicity start, you like realize, whatever all this stuff is,

605
00:30:58.440 --> 00:30:59.880
<v Speaker 4>it's kind of the same thing.

606
00:31:01.480 --> 00:31:03.640
<v Speaker 3>Like I hated, I hated to come to that concluded.

607
00:31:03.680 --> 00:31:06.240
<v Speaker 4>That's where I'm at with it basically these days, Like

608
00:31:07.160 --> 00:31:09.240
<v Speaker 4>it's all the same, Like I don't know, and I

609
00:31:09.279 --> 00:31:10.839
<v Speaker 4>know that sounds weird, but.

610
00:31:12.319 --> 00:31:14.359
<v Speaker 3>Obviously they're do you know what I mean.

611
00:31:14.599 --> 00:31:17.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's all connected, like you know, like, of course

612
00:31:17.400 --> 00:31:20.880
<v Speaker 1>some things are different, but at the root, they're all connected.

613
00:31:21.319 --> 00:31:24.519
<v Speaker 1>I believe that they all kind of are sprouting or

614
00:31:25.200 --> 00:31:27.599
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I don't know, but I believe I

615
00:31:27.640 --> 00:31:28.160
<v Speaker 1>believe you're.

616
00:31:28.079 --> 00:31:31.279
<v Speaker 5>Onto something when you're saying that that they're they're yeah, yeah,

617
00:31:31.279 --> 00:31:33.680
<v Speaker 5>well I think, like, okay, so this this guy's back

618
00:31:33.960 --> 00:31:36.039
<v Speaker 5>to her I think it's hermetics.

619
00:31:36.319 --> 00:31:38.319
<v Speaker 4>And I hope I'm saying that word right. Like there's

620
00:31:38.319 --> 00:31:42.200
<v Speaker 4>one say, okay, they say there's one substance, and everything

621
00:31:42.279 --> 00:31:44.599
<v Speaker 4>is made of this one substance, and it appears as

622
00:31:44.680 --> 00:31:47.240
<v Speaker 4>different things. It can appear as different substances, but it's

623
00:31:47.279 --> 00:31:50.240
<v Speaker 4>really just this one substance. Because you have twelve notes

624
00:31:50.240 --> 00:31:52.599
<v Speaker 4>in music, and all these notes have a different octave

625
00:31:52.720 --> 00:31:57.920
<v Speaker 4>and so all these vibratory frequency, vibrational frequencies, they appear different,

626
00:31:58.119 --> 00:31:59.839
<v Speaker 4>but it's really just one thing.

627
00:32:00.240 --> 00:32:01.920
<v Speaker 3>And that like when I read that that kind of

628
00:32:02.000 --> 00:32:03.559
<v Speaker 3>hit that hit me pretty hard. I was like, that

629
00:32:03.680 --> 00:32:05.240
<v Speaker 3>makes so much sense.

630
00:32:06.079 --> 00:32:09.119
<v Speaker 1>Totally agree, and yeah, your pronunciation of her medics was

631
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<v Speaker 1>completely correct.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, okay, so.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's yeah, so let's let's go on from this. So

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you had this experience. Where where did it

635
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<v Speaker 1>take you? From there?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay?

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<v Speaker 4>So from there, I thought, Okay, I'm gonna tell a friend.

638
00:32:30.039 --> 00:32:32.279
<v Speaker 4>I'll feel better. I've known this girl since we were five.

639
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<v Speaker 4>You know, she'll get me, she'll she'll get me hug

640
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<v Speaker 4>and it'll be over. And she, you know, I tell

641
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<v Speaker 4>her like I spin it all out, and I was

642
00:32:41.480 --> 00:32:44.039
<v Speaker 4>just like, and I felt like a lot of relief

643
00:32:44.079 --> 00:32:46.680
<v Speaker 4>after until I looked up into her face and she

644
00:32:46.839 --> 00:32:51.000
<v Speaker 4>was like, I just like kept that dead pan face forever.

645
00:32:51.480 --> 00:32:54.480
<v Speaker 4>She said two things, Din, you need to talk to

646
00:32:54.519 --> 00:32:57.160
<v Speaker 4>someone about this, for sure, but it needs to be

647
00:32:57.160 --> 00:32:59.319
<v Speaker 4>a professional. You do not need to discuss this with

648
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<v Speaker 4>anyone else. And she caused me miss. My friends called

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<v Speaker 4>me miss and mip.

650
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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

651
00:33:03.079 --> 00:33:05.440
<v Speaker 4>Well, my brother couldn't pronounce my name when he was younger,

652
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<v Speaker 4>the little retard. So I got stuck with the I

653
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<v Speaker 4>got sorry, he je on Wesley kidding. So you know, Miss,

654
00:33:14.599 --> 00:33:19.359
<v Speaker 4>you'll ruin yourself. This is social suicide. Like, you can't

655
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<v Speaker 4>do this here. You work too hard to build up

656
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<v Speaker 4>a good reputete because like I was, you know, in

657
00:33:23.960 --> 00:33:26.880
<v Speaker 4>the marketing community, I had done well for myself and

658
00:33:27.079 --> 00:33:29.720
<v Speaker 4>she's like, you can't become one of those Bigfoot is

659
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<v Speaker 4>real people.

660
00:33:30.839 --> 00:33:33.680
<v Speaker 3>And when she said that, I was like nod.

661
00:33:33.880 --> 00:33:35.960
<v Speaker 4>And then then I thought, oh my god, I bet

662
00:33:36.000 --> 00:33:40.480
<v Speaker 4>Bigfoot is real because I'd never you know, I knew

663
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<v Speaker 4>Bigfoot was a thing. I just didn't at the time

664
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<v Speaker 4>I had this encounter. I just didn't know Bigfoot was

665
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<v Speaker 4>a cryptid. I didn't know that cryptids were things. I

666
00:33:47.720 --> 00:33:51.960
<v Speaker 4>didn't I knew that apparitions and ghosts were real because

667
00:33:52.279 --> 00:33:54.599
<v Speaker 4>I had a lot of experiences with that as a kid,

668
00:33:55.240 --> 00:33:57.880
<v Speaker 4>and you know, I would see an apparition walk through

669
00:33:57.880 --> 00:34:00.279
<v Speaker 4>a wall and it was no big deal, but it

670
00:34:00.279 --> 00:34:01.880
<v Speaker 4>was just like part of my It was part of

671
00:34:01.920 --> 00:34:04.720
<v Speaker 4>my everyday experience. And I learned pretty quickly when I

672
00:34:04.759 --> 00:34:08.079
<v Speaker 4>got to maybe first grade, that it was not cool

673
00:34:08.119 --> 00:34:09.840
<v Speaker 4>to talk about those things, that that was not part

674
00:34:09.920 --> 00:34:14.639
<v Speaker 4>of everyone else's experience. But the thing about this this

675
00:34:14.800 --> 00:34:18.440
<v Speaker 4>creature in the road, like it was flesh and blood.

676
00:34:18.480 --> 00:34:21.159
<v Speaker 4>I felt like if I had fired a shot into it,

677
00:34:21.159 --> 00:34:22.639
<v Speaker 4>it would have it would have hit the thing, and

678
00:34:22.639 --> 00:34:26.239
<v Speaker 4>it would have bled an apparition when I was younger,

679
00:34:26.239 --> 00:34:28.679
<v Speaker 4>and I don't know, I don't know that everyone experiences

680
00:34:28.719 --> 00:34:30.880
<v Speaker 4>them the same, but a lot of people think that

681
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<v Speaker 4>they are transparent.

682
00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:34.039
<v Speaker 3>That wasn't the case. That was not how I experienced

683
00:34:34.199 --> 00:34:35.679
<v Speaker 3>an apparition. It was gray.

684
00:34:36.400 --> 00:34:38.920
<v Speaker 4>It was like this gray type of and I saw

685
00:34:38.960 --> 00:34:41.280
<v Speaker 4>them so frequently I had categorized them.

686
00:34:41.320 --> 00:34:43.119
<v Speaker 3>There were and I was sick, so it was like

687
00:34:43.320 --> 00:34:44.360
<v Speaker 3>over and overs.

688
00:34:44.480 --> 00:34:47.159
<v Speaker 4>So they were like the ones that would like be

689
00:34:47.239 --> 00:34:50.599
<v Speaker 4>repeating the same pattern of behavior, like circling an area.

690
00:34:51.840 --> 00:34:54.880
<v Speaker 4>And then there were the scream allowed and that would

691
00:34:54.920 --> 00:34:56.639
<v Speaker 4>be the ones that would scream, roll, scream my name

692
00:34:56.679 --> 00:34:57.440
<v Speaker 4>really alloud, my ear.

693
00:34:57.440 --> 00:34:58.760
<v Speaker 3>And then there was this orb that came out.

694
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<v Speaker 4>I had all of that, and so I felt like

695
00:35:01.920 --> 00:35:04.840
<v Speaker 4>pretty confident because I'd experienced that world and I felt

696
00:35:04.840 --> 00:35:06.960
<v Speaker 4>like I knew what that world was. But then here

697
00:35:06.960 --> 00:35:08.719
<v Speaker 4>I was with this creature in front of me, and

698
00:35:08.800 --> 00:35:10.920
<v Speaker 4>this is the world I'm a primary resident of and

699
00:35:10.960 --> 00:35:14.760
<v Speaker 4>I have no idea, like I have no idea what

700
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<v Speaker 4>my I think. This is the world I knew the

701
00:35:16.480 --> 00:35:21.079
<v Speaker 4>most about, and here's this thing. And so after that,

702
00:35:21.960 --> 00:35:24.519
<v Speaker 4>my friend said, you know, speak to a psychologist. So

703
00:35:25.760 --> 00:35:28.079
<v Speaker 4>I was like fine, because at that point I was

704
00:35:28.119 --> 00:35:29.679
<v Speaker 4>at my wits end. I couldn't let it go. I

705
00:35:29.719 --> 00:35:31.800
<v Speaker 4>couldn't stop thinking about it, and so I had to

706
00:35:31.840 --> 00:35:35.639
<v Speaker 4>figure out something to do with it. And so I

707
00:35:36.079 --> 00:35:40.119
<v Speaker 4>made an appointment and I got I got really lucky

708
00:35:40.280 --> 00:35:42.679
<v Speaker 4>because I don't know what.

709
00:35:43.000 --> 00:35:44.079
<v Speaker 3>I don't know what would.

710
00:35:43.840 --> 00:35:47.000
<v Speaker 4>Have happened if I had not had the therapist that

711
00:35:47.079 --> 00:35:49.840
<v Speaker 4>I did. He he was a mess. He was he

712
00:35:49.920 --> 00:35:52.599
<v Speaker 4>was all over the place. I walked in and his

713
00:35:52.960 --> 00:35:55.679
<v Speaker 4>desk is like covered and posted night and I'm like,

714
00:35:55.719 --> 00:35:57.519
<v Speaker 4>I bet he leaves his those every time he writes

715
00:35:57.559 --> 00:36:00.679
<v Speaker 4>down a thing, like you know, and so I could

716
00:36:00.719 --> 00:36:02.639
<v Speaker 4>I bet I can trust this guy, because that's kind

717
00:36:02.639 --> 00:36:04.320
<v Speaker 4>of I'm a little bit like that. And then I

718
00:36:04.360 --> 00:36:07.000
<v Speaker 4>look down and I see one of them. It's turned over,

719
00:36:07.559 --> 00:36:09.960
<v Speaker 4>but he read it a permanent marker and it's like

720
00:36:10.480 --> 00:36:12.400
<v Speaker 4>it bled through and I could see it's this missy

721
00:36:12.880 --> 00:36:16.519
<v Speaker 4>ten thirty things, she saw an alien. And I'm like,

722
00:36:16.800 --> 00:36:17.400
<v Speaker 4>this smoke.

723
00:36:18.079 --> 00:36:21.280
<v Speaker 3>So I sat down and you know, he died it.

724
00:36:21.280 --> 00:36:24.920
<v Speaker 4>We exchanged the you know, he gets the credit card

725
00:36:25.000 --> 00:36:27.440
<v Speaker 4>info and on he's like, so what brings you in today?

726
00:36:27.480 --> 00:36:30.880
<v Speaker 4>And I was, first of all, I didn't think I

727
00:36:30.880 --> 00:36:32.920
<v Speaker 4>saw an alien. I know what I saw. It was there,

728
00:36:32.920 --> 00:36:34.639
<v Speaker 4>and I never said it was an alien. I said

729
00:36:34.639 --> 00:36:37.800
<v Speaker 4>it was alien white and then everything just came like

730
00:36:38.920 --> 00:36:40.039
<v Speaker 4>I mean, I couldn't stop.

731
00:36:40.159 --> 00:36:40.920
<v Speaker 3>It was like word mom.

732
00:36:40.920 --> 00:36:43.800
<v Speaker 4>But I told him everything down to ride down to

733
00:36:43.880 --> 00:36:45.960
<v Speaker 4>the spread pattern that the urine left on my blue

734
00:36:46.039 --> 00:36:48.519
<v Speaker 4>jeans because it looked like a dove in flight. And

735
00:36:48.559 --> 00:36:50.039
<v Speaker 4>I don't know why I thought it was important to

736
00:36:50.079 --> 00:36:51.880
<v Speaker 4>include that part, but I told him. I told him

737
00:36:51.920 --> 00:36:52.400
<v Speaker 4>all of them.

738
00:36:53.159 --> 00:36:55.239
<v Speaker 3>And so then I finished, and I sat there for

739
00:36:55.239 --> 00:36:58.559
<v Speaker 3>a second and I expected to feel better, but I didn't.

740
00:36:58.639 --> 00:36:59.360
<v Speaker 3>I felt the same.

741
00:37:00.239 --> 00:37:04.360
<v Speaker 4>And he's like looking down in his hands, and I'm like,

742
00:37:04.400 --> 00:37:06.880
<v Speaker 4>here we go, you know, And he's like, I said,

743
00:37:06.880 --> 00:37:10.079
<v Speaker 4>you don't believe me, dee, And he took a deep

744
00:37:10.119 --> 00:37:12.079
<v Speaker 4>wreath and he looked up and he's like, here's the thing.

745
00:37:12.119 --> 00:37:14.360
<v Speaker 4>It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter whether or not I

746
00:37:14.440 --> 00:37:18.039
<v Speaker 4>believe you. And I'm like, did I just pay you

747
00:37:18.079 --> 00:37:18.639
<v Speaker 4>to believe me?

748
00:37:19.639 --> 00:37:21.480
<v Speaker 3>What is this? There's no couch.

749
00:37:21.639 --> 00:37:25.920
<v Speaker 4>First of all, I'm sitting in a wooden chair, like yeah,

750
00:37:26.159 --> 00:37:28.880
<v Speaker 4>and you don't believe it. And it doesn't matter. Of

751
00:37:28.960 --> 00:37:30.760
<v Speaker 4>course it matters. I need you to tell me not

752
00:37:30.840 --> 00:37:32.559
<v Speaker 4>only do you believe me, but I don't need an

753
00:37:32.639 --> 00:37:34.480
<v Speaker 4>entire history on what these things are and where they

754
00:37:34.480 --> 00:37:34.920
<v Speaker 4>come from.

755
00:37:35.159 --> 00:37:36.480
<v Speaker 3>That's what I mean.

756
00:37:36.519 --> 00:37:38.920
<v Speaker 4>It's crazy, but that's what happens when you know, expectation

757
00:37:39.000 --> 00:37:41.719
<v Speaker 4>meets reality. It's rarely aligned. But then he went on

758
00:37:41.840 --> 00:37:44.480
<v Speaker 4>and he told me that he said that he did

759
00:37:44.480 --> 00:37:46.679
<v Speaker 4>not think that I had hallucinated, that he did not

760
00:37:46.800 --> 00:37:50.039
<v Speaker 4>think I was suffering from a mental breakdown, that I was,

761
00:37:50.440 --> 00:37:52.840
<v Speaker 4>you know, appeared to be a sound minded body. He

762
00:37:53.000 --> 00:37:55.760
<v Speaker 4>was like, you know, you're why and you're bright, but

763
00:37:55.840 --> 00:37:59.199
<v Speaker 4>you're shaken, and I think you'll recover. And I was like,

764
00:37:59.239 --> 00:38:02.719
<v Speaker 4>well that's great. Things you know, still just so mad,

765
00:38:03.119 --> 00:38:07.920
<v Speaker 4>and he's like that's when he said, you know, this

766
00:38:08.039 --> 00:38:09.719
<v Speaker 4>was something else too, and this hit me pretty hard.

767
00:38:09.719 --> 00:38:11.880
<v Speaker 4>He's like, I'm gonna tell you something because I think

768
00:38:11.880 --> 00:38:16.000
<v Speaker 4>you're gonna appreciate this. What matters most is what you're

769
00:38:16.000 --> 00:38:17.760
<v Speaker 4>going what you're gonna do with the situation you find

770
00:38:17.760 --> 00:38:19.679
<v Speaker 4>yourself in. And I'm gonna tell you there are gonna

771
00:38:19.679 --> 00:38:23.480
<v Speaker 4>be times in your life when you don't want to

772
00:38:23.480 --> 00:38:27.800
<v Speaker 4>do something but you know you absolutely must. And then

773
00:38:27.800 --> 00:38:29.159
<v Speaker 4>there'll be times in your life, you know, when you

774
00:38:29.159 --> 00:38:31.039
<v Speaker 4>want to do something and you know you probably shouldn't,

775
00:38:31.679 --> 00:38:34.360
<v Speaker 4>but decide which one of the side, what moments this

776
00:38:34.519 --> 00:38:38.039
<v Speaker 4>is and maybe you should see if there are other

777
00:38:38.079 --> 00:38:41.480
<v Speaker 4>people out there who have experienced something similar. I can

778
00:38:41.559 --> 00:38:43.719
<v Speaker 4>almost tear up because if he had that, I mean

779
00:38:43.800 --> 00:38:48.039
<v Speaker 4>just just wow. Well and I mean he gave me

780
00:38:48.079 --> 00:38:51.079
<v Speaker 4>my power back, right, because that's that's what I'd done.

781
00:38:51.119 --> 00:38:54.840
<v Speaker 4>I expected to go in his office and be told this,

782
00:38:55.039 --> 00:38:57.440
<v Speaker 4>I'm the authority, and this is what has happened, and

783
00:38:57.480 --> 00:38:59.000
<v Speaker 4>this is the mental disorder you have.

784
00:38:59.280 --> 00:39:02.679
<v Speaker 3>Here are your peels, you know, good day, man. But

785
00:39:02.760 --> 00:39:05.639
<v Speaker 3>he didn't. He was like, maybe you should look into that,

786
00:39:06.159 --> 00:39:08.679
<v Speaker 3>and that man, I could, I could check.

787
00:39:08.760 --> 00:39:11.360
<v Speaker 4>I saw him the other day and I just hugged

788
00:39:11.400 --> 00:39:13.719
<v Speaker 4>him so big because he knows I've got the book

789
00:39:13.760 --> 00:39:16.280
<v Speaker 4>now and or will will have the book scene, and

790
00:39:16.320 --> 00:39:20.239
<v Speaker 4>he knows everything that's gone on. But what's crazy? Do

791
00:39:20.239 --> 00:39:23.440
<v Speaker 4>you want to hear what's really crazy? Right as we

792
00:39:23.440 --> 00:39:25.840
<v Speaker 4>were filming the documentary, I've got a real good friend.

793
00:39:25.960 --> 00:39:28.280
<v Speaker 4>His name is Jeremiah Byron. You might have heard of him.

794
00:39:28.280 --> 00:39:29.480
<v Speaker 4>He runs big for Society.

795
00:39:30.480 --> 00:39:30.679
<v Speaker 3>Man.

796
00:39:30.719 --> 00:39:33.079
<v Speaker 4>He's a hustler too. He's putting up two three episodes

797
00:39:33.119 --> 00:39:34.559
<v Speaker 4>a day. Makes me tired of just watching it.

798
00:39:35.440 --> 00:39:39.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's a lot like I'm like two episodes maybe

799
00:39:39.840 --> 00:39:43.039
<v Speaker 1>three a week and that's like, I like, I can't

800
00:39:43.039 --> 00:39:44.320
<v Speaker 1>fathom two or three a day.

801
00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:46.000
<v Speaker 3>Oh man, But.

802
00:39:45.920 --> 00:39:50.159
<v Speaker 4>He's he's he's the nicest. This conversation I'm having with you.

803
00:39:51.079 --> 00:39:53.119
<v Speaker 4>And then the conversation I had with him two of

804
00:39:53.119 --> 00:39:55.920
<v Speaker 4>my very favorite because it's not like a structured interview.

805
00:39:55.960 --> 00:39:58.800
<v Speaker 4>You're talking to a friend, right, and he was he

806
00:39:58.960 --> 00:40:00.840
<v Speaker 4>was so awesome. But he had this woman get in

807
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<v Speaker 4>touch with him, and she said, I want to I

808
00:40:04.239 --> 00:40:06.199
<v Speaker 4>want to speak to the girl who was who was

809
00:40:06.199 --> 00:40:10.039
<v Speaker 4>talking about the crawlers. I'm a psychologist and I'm having

810
00:40:10.039 --> 00:40:13.079
<v Speaker 4>people come into my office telling me about these experiences

811
00:40:13.519 --> 00:40:17.079
<v Speaker 4>with these palamasi and humanoids. And these men are military.

812
00:40:17.599 --> 00:40:19.920
<v Speaker 4>They can't go to the VA, they can't go to

813
00:40:20.239 --> 00:40:22.400
<v Speaker 4>a military approved doctor because they're worried they're going to

814
00:40:22.480 --> 00:40:25.039
<v Speaker 4>lose their clearance or they're going to lose their job.

815
00:40:25.679 --> 00:40:27.599
<v Speaker 4>And she was like, I'll tell you, it is happening

816
00:40:27.679 --> 00:40:31.840
<v Speaker 4>so frequently now that myself and my fellow clinicians have

817
00:40:31.920 --> 00:40:33.119
<v Speaker 4>begun to discuss.

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<v Speaker 1>It, which is crazy, kind of like on the on

819
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<v Speaker 1>the track of like dog Men, like dog Man was

820
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<v Speaker 1>not really I don't want to say it's non existent.

821
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<v Speaker 1>It was existent, but it wasn't much. And then also

822
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<v Speaker 1>it just seems to be stepping up and escalating and escalating, and.

823
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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, I know, and I mean there's it could

824
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<v Speaker 4>be a lot of things at play, is the velt

825
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<v Speaker 4>in and of course it all I mean, it always is.

826
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<v Speaker 4>You know, every every National Inquirer magazine I've seen since

827
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<v Speaker 4>I was like ten years old, is promise me Jesus

828
00:41:00.920 --> 00:41:03.000
<v Speaker 4>was on his way back the next week, you know

829
00:41:03.079 --> 00:41:03.480
<v Speaker 4>what I mean.

830
00:41:04.599 --> 00:41:04.800
<v Speaker 3>You know.

831
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<v Speaker 1>The funny thing is those times like National Acchoir or

832
00:41:08.280 --> 00:41:11.159
<v Speaker 1>whatever they were, you know, years ago, I was like,

833
00:41:11.320 --> 00:41:12.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, as a kid, like oh these are hilarious

834
00:41:13.119 --> 00:41:14.920
<v Speaker 1>or a joke. Now I'm like, maybe there was some

835
00:41:15.000 --> 00:41:16.880
<v Speaker 1>truth to some of those ones. Maybe there was some

836
00:41:16.960 --> 00:41:19.679
<v Speaker 1>actual truth in them, you know, hidden hidden with all

837
00:41:19.719 --> 00:41:22.239
<v Speaker 1>this uh tomfoolery, Like go.

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<v Speaker 6>Back, go back and look at some of some of

839
00:41:25.599 --> 00:41:32.840
<v Speaker 6>the covers like I have you know, Woman Gives, Woman

840
00:41:32.880 --> 00:41:39.760
<v Speaker 6>gets birt to baby big Foot. Oh, it's not interesting

841
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<v Speaker 6>that guys were right at eye level for us kids

842
00:41:43.280 --> 00:41:46.639
<v Speaker 6>like that's and they call it in marketing, because I've

843
00:41:46.639 --> 00:41:49.199
<v Speaker 6>worked in marketing, they called that the nag factor. If

844
00:41:49.199 --> 00:41:51.360
<v Speaker 6>you've got something at a kid's out level, don't nag

845
00:41:51.400 --> 00:41:54.719
<v Speaker 6>their parents to buy. But those National Enqire magazines were

846
00:41:54.760 --> 00:41:56.000
<v Speaker 6>like right at and I'm.

847
00:41:55.840 --> 00:41:58.639
<v Speaker 4>You know, I'm only like five one okay, fine, I'm

848
00:41:58.639 --> 00:42:02.159
<v Speaker 4>five feet fat feet and half fine five feet but

849
00:42:02.199 --> 00:42:05.079
<v Speaker 4>they were like they're like right out level.

850
00:42:05.639 --> 00:42:08.800
<v Speaker 3>I don't even remember why we were. I'm sorry, I'm bad.

851
00:42:08.880 --> 00:42:12.639
<v Speaker 1>That's all right, that's all right. I get distracted very easily.

852
00:42:12.719 --> 00:42:15.480
<v Speaker 1>And yes, but we were talking about.

853
00:42:15.400 --> 00:42:22.159
<v Speaker 4>Why is it happening more frequently? I don't it could

854
00:42:22.159 --> 00:42:25.559
<v Speaker 4>be that, but I think it's all saved. You know,

855
00:42:25.639 --> 00:42:28.280
<v Speaker 4>like the hundredth months. Is it called the hundredth monkey effect?

856
00:42:28.440 --> 00:42:30.480
<v Speaker 4>A monkey starts the hundred monkeys.

857
00:42:30.559 --> 00:42:32.239
<v Speaker 1>Yes. I actually talked about this in one of my

858
00:42:32.519 --> 00:42:36.079
<v Speaker 1>previous episodes, where you know, they they they throw the

859
00:42:36.079 --> 00:42:38.920
<v Speaker 1>potatoes in the sand and then they teach one how

860
00:42:38.960 --> 00:42:41.280
<v Speaker 1>to wash it, and then it ends up teaching them all.

861
00:42:41.320 --> 00:42:43.280
<v Speaker 1>But then they do it on another island and they

862
00:42:43.360 --> 00:42:45.360
<v Speaker 1>know what to do. It's like transferred over.

863
00:42:45.559 --> 00:42:48.480
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and there's no there's been no communication. They just

864
00:42:48.519 --> 00:42:50.480
<v Speaker 4>starting they start washing their potatoes too.

865
00:42:50.599 --> 00:42:50.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

866
00:42:51.239 --> 00:42:54.760
<v Speaker 4>So I think it's like you have a group of

867
00:42:54.840 --> 00:42:58.760
<v Speaker 4>explorers that come in and they do you know, they

868
00:42:58.840 --> 00:43:02.760
<v Speaker 4>set up sovization It's the same with information when you

869
00:43:02.800 --> 00:43:04.599
<v Speaker 4>have people who are coming out and they're like, I

870
00:43:04.639 --> 00:43:06.519
<v Speaker 4>don't give a crap what you think. I will tell

871
00:43:06.559 --> 00:43:08.280
<v Speaker 4>you what happened, and if you don't like it, you

872
00:43:08.320 --> 00:43:08.920
<v Speaker 4>can eat dirt.

873
00:43:09.000 --> 00:43:09.159
<v Speaker 7>Right.

874
00:43:10.719 --> 00:43:13.280
<v Speaker 4>It makes it easier for the next and the next.

875
00:43:13.480 --> 00:43:15.480
<v Speaker 4>And I think that I think there's a lot. I mean,

876
00:43:15.559 --> 00:43:17.199
<v Speaker 4>it's a number of things, but I think that has

877
00:43:17.239 --> 00:43:17.559
<v Speaker 4>a lot.

878
00:43:17.480 --> 00:43:18.079
<v Speaker 3>To do with it.

879
00:43:19.840 --> 00:43:22.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure, I think that's a great theory. You

880
00:43:22.880 --> 00:43:26.119
<v Speaker 1>know that you're saying that they're kind of established a foothold. Well,

881
00:43:26.280 --> 00:43:29.159
<v Speaker 1>you had sent me the you had sent me the

882
00:43:29.159 --> 00:43:32.119
<v Speaker 1>picture of the crawler. You know, of that like this

883
00:43:32.199 --> 00:43:38.960
<v Speaker 1>is not of what not your crawler? But you know, like, yes, yes,

884
00:43:40.119 --> 00:43:40.280
<v Speaker 1>you know.

885
00:43:40.360 --> 00:43:42.440
<v Speaker 4>I get online and I think my first search was

886
00:43:42.519 --> 00:43:47.960
<v Speaker 4>like a pale humanoid in rural area or something like that,

887
00:43:48.079 --> 00:43:51.199
<v Speaker 4>and I was pretty shocked at all the results. But

888
00:43:51.239 --> 00:43:54.639
<v Speaker 4>then I'm like, I'm seeing like a wiki wik you know,

889
00:43:54.719 --> 00:43:58.480
<v Speaker 4>the wiki that fandom wiki fandom or something, and I'm like, okay, crap.

890
00:43:59.519 --> 00:44:04.519
<v Speaker 4>But then and I found crawler sightings the reddit. The

891
00:44:04.559 --> 00:44:07.760
<v Speaker 4>reddit subrendit crawler sightings or is it crawler encounters. I'm

892
00:44:07.760 --> 00:44:09.039
<v Speaker 4>not it's one of one of those.

893
00:44:09.159 --> 00:44:11.800
<v Speaker 1>I think it was Sightings, Yes, yeah, And.

894
00:44:11.760 --> 00:44:15.960
<v Speaker 4>I'm reading these stories and I'm like, I mean, it

895
00:44:16.039 --> 00:44:19.599
<v Speaker 4>blew me away because I think I probably read there

896
00:44:19.639 --> 00:44:23.000
<v Speaker 4>the entire thread. At that time, there were probably only

897
00:44:23.039 --> 00:44:26.440
<v Speaker 4>about six thousand members, and do you know today there

898
00:44:26.440 --> 00:44:30.599
<v Speaker 4>are over fifty thousand members. And this was just yeah,

899
00:44:30.760 --> 00:44:34.679
<v Speaker 4>but I was reading And I've said this before, and

900
00:44:34.760 --> 00:44:36.559
<v Speaker 4>I still can't explain it any better than the first

901
00:44:36.559 --> 00:44:39.239
<v Speaker 4>time I tried to articulate it. There's something about having

902
00:44:39.239 --> 00:44:42.880
<v Speaker 4>an experience like this and then reading the words of

903
00:44:42.920 --> 00:44:46.280
<v Speaker 4>someone else who's experienced something very similar, like you something

904
00:44:46.320 --> 00:44:48.760
<v Speaker 4>about it. You connect in a way like you connect

905
00:44:48.840 --> 00:44:51.960
<v Speaker 4>the material. There's some sort of it's not just what

906
00:44:52.000 --> 00:44:55.199
<v Speaker 4>they're saying, it's what they're not saying. It's like and

907
00:44:55.239 --> 00:44:57.880
<v Speaker 4>if you're in person, it's like you know the breaths

908
00:44:57.920 --> 00:45:00.159
<v Speaker 4>on either side of the word, or when you think

909
00:45:00.159 --> 00:45:02.400
<v Speaker 4>about the times that your hands are held and they're not,

910
00:45:03.000 --> 00:45:05.920
<v Speaker 4>or you feel all these sensations like I think that's

911
00:45:05.960 --> 00:45:09.639
<v Speaker 4>where intuition lives. And so I think I'm pretty pretty

912
00:45:09.639 --> 00:45:12.599
<v Speaker 4>good at being able to read between the lines and no,

913
00:45:12.719 --> 00:45:15.159
<v Speaker 4>and no, I'm not above being pulled, and I'm sure,

914
00:45:15.159 --> 00:45:17.000
<v Speaker 4>I have been plenty of times, but there were some

915
00:45:17.039 --> 00:45:19.360
<v Speaker 4>of these stories and I connect with them deeply because

916
00:45:20.360 --> 00:45:22.880
<v Speaker 4>it was like we were all trying to communicate something

917
00:45:23.119 --> 00:45:26.159
<v Speaker 4>that can't really be communicated in language. They all had

918
00:45:26.199 --> 00:45:28.800
<v Speaker 4>something in common, and I thought it was curious. But

919
00:45:28.840 --> 00:45:30.719
<v Speaker 4>I had been researching for about six hours and I

920
00:45:30.760 --> 00:45:33.400
<v Speaker 4>could not hole my eyes open. So there was this

921
00:45:33.440 --> 00:45:35.360
<v Speaker 4>thing they kept saying. I just had to leave it

922
00:45:35.400 --> 00:45:38.719
<v Speaker 4>till the next day. But it was what I saw,

923
00:45:39.000 --> 00:45:41.360
<v Speaker 4>and this is what the people telling their stories. We're

924
00:45:41.400 --> 00:45:45.400
<v Speaker 4>describing looked just like that trail cam photo, even though

925
00:45:45.440 --> 00:45:48.519
<v Speaker 4>that's been debonk or, even though that's a proven faith.

926
00:45:48.639 --> 00:45:52.239
<v Speaker 4>And it was like they were very intent on making

927
00:45:52.280 --> 00:45:56.000
<v Speaker 4>sure that everyone knew it looked like this, but they

928
00:45:56.000 --> 00:45:58.760
<v Speaker 4>had to make sure that. They said, I know that

929
00:45:58.880 --> 00:46:01.840
<v Speaker 4>picture's fake. I don't believe it's real, almost like it

930
00:46:01.920 --> 00:46:06.960
<v Speaker 4>was uncool for it to be real. And I don't know. Yeah,

931
00:46:07.039 --> 00:46:08.719
<v Speaker 4>I had that vibe at the time. I just thought

932
00:46:08.719 --> 00:46:11.360
<v Speaker 4>it was strange. Then I didn't know why they were saying.

933
00:46:11.480 --> 00:46:13.960
<v Speaker 4>It just seems like such an odd piece of information

934
00:46:14.039 --> 00:46:16.639
<v Speaker 4>to include, Like if you saw something look just like that,

935
00:46:17.400 --> 00:46:20.400
<v Speaker 4>why would then you saw something that look just like that,

936
00:46:20.440 --> 00:46:23.159
<v Speaker 4>why are we including this? So I ended up going to.

937
00:46:23.639 --> 00:46:25.920
<v Speaker 1>And like they're like, oh, it's a fake. Well is

938
00:46:25.960 --> 00:46:28.239
<v Speaker 1>it really? If this is identical to what you saw,

939
00:46:28.400 --> 00:46:31.039
<v Speaker 1>like it, it looks pretty creepy.

940
00:46:31.440 --> 00:46:35.480
<v Speaker 4>It's so similar, so similar, And at that point I

941
00:46:35.519 --> 00:46:37.519
<v Speaker 4>hadn't seen it though. I was just reading the stories

942
00:46:37.679 --> 00:46:39.360
<v Speaker 4>and so I was like, you know, I couldn't hold

943
00:46:39.400 --> 00:46:40.679
<v Speaker 4>my I was doing the thing where you know when

944
00:46:40.679 --> 00:46:43.039
<v Speaker 4>you have a sleep and you're like trying to take someone.

945
00:46:43.079 --> 00:46:45.800
<v Speaker 3>You got one eye open because you're so tired.

946
00:46:46.159 --> 00:46:47.719
<v Speaker 1>You sit there with the phone in your hands for

947
00:46:47.760 --> 00:46:50.320
<v Speaker 1>a little bit without doing anything, and then you're like, oh, yeah, yeah,

948
00:46:50.559 --> 00:46:50.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm back.

949
00:46:50.920 --> 00:46:54.000
<v Speaker 4>I'm back right Wait, I was falling asleep texting something. Yes,

950
00:46:55.000 --> 00:46:56.480
<v Speaker 4>So I was at that point I was like, okay,

951
00:46:56.519 --> 00:46:58.079
<v Speaker 4>I'm just gonna have to get to sleep. I think

952
00:46:58.119 --> 00:46:59.880
<v Speaker 4>I took a three hour an out to be honest,

953
00:47:00.039 --> 00:47:02.760
<v Speaker 4>because I was. I mean, it was a big deal.

954
00:47:02.800 --> 00:47:05.719
<v Speaker 4>It was. I mean, validation is medicine. When you've seen

955
00:47:05.760 --> 00:47:09.159
<v Speaker 4>something like this and you'd find stories like that. I

956
00:47:09.159 --> 00:47:11.840
<v Speaker 4>mean it wasn't necessarily like the direction I saw my

957
00:47:11.880 --> 00:47:14.719
<v Speaker 4>life would go in, but you know, here we were.

958
00:47:14.800 --> 00:47:18.159
<v Speaker 4>So then I get up the next morning, and I'm like, okay,

959
00:47:18.480 --> 00:47:21.360
<v Speaker 4>weird humanoid trail cam photo. I can't I don't even

960
00:47:21.400 --> 00:47:23.239
<v Speaker 4>remember what I typed. I wish I stop. I probably

961
00:47:23.280 --> 00:47:26.039
<v Speaker 4>could find myself history, but I don't have the time

962
00:47:26.119 --> 00:47:27.840
<v Speaker 4>or the patience to go looking for But it was

963
00:47:27.880 --> 00:47:34.039
<v Speaker 4>something like that. So this picture pops up, and I

964
00:47:34.119 --> 00:47:36.280
<v Speaker 4>was very fortunate to have a waste basket right next

965
00:47:36.320 --> 00:47:39.239
<v Speaker 4>to my desk, because I vomited when I saw it.

966
00:47:39.920 --> 00:47:43.119
<v Speaker 4>Oh man, Because okay, so what I saw was smaller

967
00:47:43.119 --> 00:47:46.199
<v Speaker 4>than that. And I don't know how I know it

968
00:47:46.239 --> 00:47:49.519
<v Speaker 4>was smaller because in a picture you can't really but

969
00:47:49.840 --> 00:47:53.320
<v Speaker 4>it was like what I saw was a child version

970
00:47:53.559 --> 00:47:58.239
<v Speaker 4>of this, and it was from the side I was

971
00:47:58.280 --> 00:48:02.880
<v Speaker 4>looking at it, and I'm just like, Okay, either someone

972
00:48:04.440 --> 00:48:08.599
<v Speaker 4>saw this thing and made a version of it and

973
00:48:08.639 --> 00:48:13.679
<v Speaker 4>put it on the internet, or accidentally captured in their

974
00:48:13.760 --> 00:48:17.280
<v Speaker 4>in their artwork, an actually like something that was really happening,

975
00:48:17.320 --> 00:48:20.400
<v Speaker 4>like an actual phenomenon, but neither saying that doesn't seem

976
00:48:20.440 --> 00:48:23.960
<v Speaker 4>plausible because the just the I mean, it's like taking

977
00:48:24.000 --> 00:48:25.880
<v Speaker 4>a picture of a bear. Nobody's ever seeing a bear,

978
00:48:25.880 --> 00:48:27.519
<v Speaker 4>and you see a bear and then suddenly there's one

979
00:48:27.519 --> 00:48:30.639
<v Speaker 4>on your screen and everyone's like, that's faith. It didn't

980
00:48:30.679 --> 00:48:35.000
<v Speaker 4>make sense to me. So I'm like, okay, I'm fixing

981
00:48:35.039 --> 00:48:37.760
<v Speaker 4>them figure this out. Who debunked it? How did they

982
00:48:37.840 --> 00:48:40.159
<v Speaker 4>do it? Like what is what does it even mean

983
00:48:40.199 --> 00:48:44.679
<v Speaker 4>to debunk something? I didn't even understand that, And that

984
00:48:44.920 --> 00:48:49.079
<v Speaker 4>was my descent into pure madness. I don't know how

985
00:48:49.119 --> 00:48:51.960
<v Speaker 4>my family put up with me, and I you know,

986
00:48:52.000 --> 00:48:54.159
<v Speaker 4>I did all the research and people think like that

987
00:48:54.280 --> 00:48:56.400
<v Speaker 4>was done over a period of like you know, I

988
00:48:56.400 --> 00:48:58.519
<v Speaker 4>don't know, a week, a month. No, that took me

989
00:48:58.559 --> 00:49:00.960
<v Speaker 4>three years to get to the bottom of it, and

990
00:49:01.039 --> 00:49:04.400
<v Speaker 4>I went I went hardcore because okay, so it was

991
00:49:04.440 --> 00:49:09.079
<v Speaker 4>like everyone who was saying it was debunked, they kept

992
00:49:09.719 --> 00:49:13.199
<v Speaker 4>referencing this blogger, his fami. I don't know if this

993
00:49:13.280 --> 00:49:16.840
<v Speaker 4>is his real name, but his website is wired web

994
00:49:17.519 --> 00:49:19.480
<v Speaker 4>and his name is job West. That's what he went

995
00:49:19.519 --> 00:49:22.559
<v Speaker 4>by on the on the website, and he lists, you know,

996
00:49:22.599 --> 00:49:24.440
<v Speaker 4>he puts the picture up and he lists all these

997
00:49:24.480 --> 00:49:27.519
<v Speaker 4>reasons that he believes it's fake. And I was reading

998
00:49:27.559 --> 00:49:30.719
<v Speaker 4>through him and like, at the time, it was pretty

999
00:49:30.719 --> 00:49:32.920
<v Speaker 4>intimidating because it was I mean, he had all this

1000
00:49:33.559 --> 00:49:37.079
<v Speaker 4>technical jargon and things that I didn't understand, but some

1001
00:49:37.159 --> 00:49:41.800
<v Speaker 4>of it was just steeper, like there's the guy who Okay,

1002
00:49:42.039 --> 00:49:44.000
<v Speaker 4>you get to the source of the photo and it's

1003
00:49:44.639 --> 00:49:49.039
<v Speaker 4>a Honting form called archery Talk, and the guy who

1004
00:49:49.119 --> 00:49:53.119
<v Speaker 4>uploads the photo uploads it, and then the forum members

1005
00:49:53.400 --> 00:49:56.920
<v Speaker 4>began to reply, and he puts up another photo proved

1006
00:49:56.920 --> 00:49:58.559
<v Speaker 4>that it was his TiAl cam because it shows the

1007
00:49:58.559 --> 00:50:01.400
<v Speaker 4>same area. So and these two photos, this one of

1008
00:50:01.400 --> 00:50:04.519
<v Speaker 4>this creature and this one of this deer. There's this tree,

1009
00:50:05.039 --> 00:50:08.280
<v Speaker 4>and the date shows that there is a nine day

1010
00:50:08.320 --> 00:50:10.960
<v Speaker 4>gap between one photo and the next. And he's like,

1011
00:50:11.000 --> 00:50:12.960
<v Speaker 4>there's no way that the leaves on the tree wouldn't

1012
00:50:13.079 --> 00:50:15.920
<v Speaker 4>wouldn't have changed at all or fallen off because it

1013
00:50:15.960 --> 00:50:16.800
<v Speaker 4>was November.

1014
00:50:17.679 --> 00:50:22.440
<v Speaker 3>And I was like, ridiculous. So that was one of

1015
00:50:22.480 --> 00:50:23.480
<v Speaker 3>the places I started.

1016
00:50:23.519 --> 00:50:25.559
<v Speaker 4>I was like, Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna call my

1017
00:50:25.559 --> 00:50:29.000
<v Speaker 4>friend Audrey because Audrey's botanist, and she'll name But I

1018
00:50:29.079 --> 00:50:31.559
<v Speaker 4>did crop the picture out so that she couldn't see

1019
00:50:31.559 --> 00:50:36.400
<v Speaker 4>the creature, because I, you know, here's this picture, check

1020
00:50:36.440 --> 00:50:40.119
<v Speaker 4>out this plant. But she said it was a plant

1021
00:50:40.119 --> 00:50:43.320
<v Speaker 4>called SAA surprise, and it was absolutely she said it

1022
00:50:43.320 --> 00:50:47.039
<v Speaker 4>was actually more probable than not these leaves because species

1023
00:50:47.079 --> 00:50:48.880
<v Speaker 4>like that were known to hold on to their leaves

1024
00:50:48.920 --> 00:50:51.000
<v Speaker 4>all the way through winter and into the following spring.

1025
00:50:52.480 --> 00:50:53.960
<v Speaker 3>And there were a bunch of other things.

1026
00:50:54.039 --> 00:50:57.639
<v Speaker 4>I've got I've got a I had a YouTube video

1027
00:50:57.840 --> 00:50:59.480
<v Speaker 4>and then I have an audiobook.

1028
00:50:59.519 --> 00:51:01.760
<v Speaker 3>I've got a a book that I was.

1029
00:51:01.760 --> 00:51:05.239
<v Speaker 4>Gonna put on Amazon after the documentary, but I'm probably

1030
00:51:05.239 --> 00:51:08.199
<v Speaker 4>fixing to go ahead and published that to Amazon, and

1031
00:51:08.599 --> 00:51:10.679
<v Speaker 4>I will let yeah, because it's just I'm ready.

1032
00:51:10.760 --> 00:51:12.239
<v Speaker 3>I'm ready. It's been long enough.

1033
00:51:13.559 --> 00:51:15.159
<v Speaker 4>And it goes into a lot of things, but the

1034
00:51:15.159 --> 00:51:17.239
<v Speaker 4>biggest thing, and this is what people really I think

1035
00:51:17.320 --> 00:51:21.320
<v Speaker 4>need to be careful of. There are file decator programs

1036
00:51:21.360 --> 00:51:24.480
<v Speaker 4>called like jpeg, snape or I mean, you can upload

1037
00:51:24.519 --> 00:51:28.199
<v Speaker 4>an image and it'll tell you details about that image,

1038
00:51:28.199 --> 00:51:31.039
<v Speaker 4>like the exit data or the metadata, and that gives

1039
00:51:31.039 --> 00:51:33.039
<v Speaker 4>you details about where the picture was taken, my kind

1040
00:51:33.079 --> 00:51:36.039
<v Speaker 4>of camera took the picture, et cetera, et cetera. But

1041
00:51:36.360 --> 00:51:39.760
<v Speaker 4>it's not Photo forensics is not near as symbole as

1042
00:51:39.840 --> 00:51:43.480
<v Speaker 4>like just a one clique button type of thing. It

1043
00:51:43.679 --> 00:51:47.679
<v Speaker 4>absolutely requires a human to analyze the results because you

1044
00:51:47.719 --> 00:51:51.880
<v Speaker 4>can get false positives. And this trail cam image and

1045
00:51:51.960 --> 00:51:56.119
<v Speaker 4>the lower left corner there is a logo and it

1046
00:51:56.119 --> 00:51:58.320
<v Speaker 4>it's from Wild Game Innovations. That's who made the trail

1047
00:51:58.360 --> 00:52:00.960
<v Speaker 4>cam and that took the payture. And then it's got

1048
00:52:01.000 --> 00:52:04.280
<v Speaker 4>a timestamp and I'm reading the results that this guy

1049
00:52:04.320 --> 00:52:07.079
<v Speaker 4>says he got that proved it was photoshopped. And they

1050
00:52:07.079 --> 00:52:10.480
<v Speaker 4>didn't say this image is photoshopped. What they said was

1051
00:52:11.400 --> 00:52:17.719
<v Speaker 4>the image produced results that are similar to the results

1052
00:52:17.760 --> 00:52:20.000
<v Speaker 4>that you would see in a photoshopped image because of

1053
00:52:20.039 --> 00:52:23.039
<v Speaker 4>the compression rate anomalies, and in a JPEG image, you

1054
00:52:23.159 --> 00:52:26.960
<v Speaker 4>expect the entire image to be roughly the same compression level.

1055
00:52:27.000 --> 00:52:30.159
<v Speaker 4>But when you have anomalies like where you see around

1056
00:52:30.400 --> 00:52:33.400
<v Speaker 4>the timestamp that you're show him, and especially over here

1057
00:52:33.440 --> 00:52:36.159
<v Speaker 4>to the left where the or it might be right,

1058
00:52:36.320 --> 00:52:37.960
<v Speaker 4>you know, when you really zoom in on that Wild

1059
00:52:37.960 --> 00:52:41.440
<v Speaker 4>Game logo, you can see the reds and the greens.

1060
00:52:42.079 --> 00:52:45.960
<v Speaker 4>So that is that's a false positive that one click

1061
00:52:46.079 --> 00:52:50.639
<v Speaker 4>Baldycutter program gave back that result because of course it

1062
00:52:50.760 --> 00:52:53.760
<v Speaker 4>picked up compression rate a normally similar to compression rate

1063
00:52:53.800 --> 00:52:56.760
<v Speaker 4>anomalies found in photoshoped images. Because that is an auto

1064
00:52:56.880 --> 00:53:01.320
<v Speaker 4>populated logo that's on every single trail cam image that

1065
00:53:01.400 --> 00:53:04.039
<v Speaker 4>a Wild Game Innovation's camera take. And so that was

1066
00:53:04.480 --> 00:53:06.039
<v Speaker 4>when I got to that point. That was a big

1067
00:53:06.079 --> 00:53:08.599
<v Speaker 4>deal for me. I was like, Okay, we're onto something.

1068
00:53:09.199 --> 00:53:10.000
<v Speaker 4>Let's keep going.

1069
00:53:12.440 --> 00:53:12.679
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1070
00:53:12.760 --> 00:53:14.440
<v Speaker 4>So, I mean I went as far as Stephen I

1071
00:53:14.480 --> 00:53:17.639
<v Speaker 4>spoke to. Then this was aired on the news. This

1072
00:53:17.760 --> 00:53:23.880
<v Speaker 4>picture this woman I know of a heart, Welcome back

1073
00:53:23.920 --> 00:53:27.280
<v Speaker 4>to NBC thirty three News Morning Edition. The time is

1074
00:53:27.320 --> 00:53:30.440
<v Speaker 4>now six o four and she's like, so, you know

1075
00:53:30.639 --> 00:53:32.880
<v Speaker 4>we tell you to I'm telling you this Verbon. You

1076
00:53:32.960 --> 00:53:34.599
<v Speaker 4>know what we tell you to send in your picture

1077
00:53:34.679 --> 00:53:37.559
<v Speaker 4>so we can show them on our newscast. Well, you've

1078
00:53:37.559 --> 00:53:40.199
<v Speaker 4>got to see what one viewer and she shows this picture.

1079
00:53:40.840 --> 00:53:43.920
<v Speaker 4>But here's the thing. The time stamp on the photo

1080
00:53:44.079 --> 00:53:47.400
<v Speaker 4>and the date are completely different. And the picture in

1081
00:53:47.440 --> 00:53:50.199
<v Speaker 4>the news image looks like it's a picture of a picture.

1082
00:53:50.320 --> 00:53:52.000
<v Speaker 4>It looks like somebody took a picture of a screen

1083
00:53:52.199 --> 00:53:55.400
<v Speaker 4>because you can kind of see the glare. And all right,

1084
00:53:55.519 --> 00:53:58.239
<v Speaker 4>the guy who upload the photo originally, the date that

1085
00:53:58.360 --> 00:54:01.719
<v Speaker 4>you have here is the right day. It was taken eleven, thirty,

1086
00:54:01.719 --> 00:54:05.519
<v Speaker 4>twenty ten and uploaded to the forum on December second,

1087
00:54:06.000 --> 00:54:09.519
<v Speaker 4>twenty ten. Now, the date on the photo that was

1088
00:54:09.599 --> 00:54:14.559
<v Speaker 4>broadcast on the News was December fourth, twenty ten. So

1089
00:54:14.920 --> 00:54:17.400
<v Speaker 4>if we know nothing else, we know that that's not

1090
00:54:17.480 --> 00:54:21.519
<v Speaker 4>the original picture, because how could he have uploaded it,

1091
00:54:22.599 --> 00:54:25.480
<v Speaker 4>you know, if he uploaded it to the forum on

1092
00:54:25.519 --> 00:54:27.639
<v Speaker 4>the second, how did he take it on the fourth?

1093
00:54:27.679 --> 00:54:30.159
<v Speaker 4>How was it captured on the fourth? It made no sense.

1094
00:54:30.960 --> 00:54:35.480
<v Speaker 4>So I try, you know, why would someone do that?

1095
00:54:35.559 --> 00:54:38.119
<v Speaker 4>Someone went to a decent amount of trouble to change

1096
00:54:38.119 --> 00:54:43.280
<v Speaker 4>that timestamp, and I think it's I just today, I

1097
00:54:43.400 --> 00:54:46.480
<v Speaker 4>just today got some information from someone that when all

1098
00:54:46.519 --> 00:54:50.320
<v Speaker 4>this happened, a moveine investigator went out and investigated because

1099
00:54:50.320 --> 00:54:52.719
<v Speaker 4>they had something that looked just like this on video

1100
00:54:52.800 --> 00:54:54.519
<v Speaker 4>on a trail can that was very close to the

1101
00:54:54.599 --> 00:54:59.159
<v Speaker 4>vicinity that this picture was captured. And I'm still like,

1102
00:54:59.199 --> 00:55:01.000
<v Speaker 4>I can't really talk about that part yet because it's

1103
00:55:01.000 --> 00:55:08.199
<v Speaker 4>still but whoever that pick? Okay, so someone was given

1104
00:55:08.280 --> 00:55:11.760
<v Speaker 4>this picture and told you need to get this to

1105
00:55:11.840 --> 00:55:15.039
<v Speaker 4>the news stations. No one knows who the guy was.

1106
00:55:15.440 --> 00:55:18.320
<v Speaker 4>He wasn't from the community, and they have no idea

1107
00:55:18.360 --> 00:55:20.360
<v Speaker 4>where he went. But a guy showed up that no

1108
00:55:20.360 --> 00:55:22.960
<v Speaker 4>one had ever seen before. Actually, you know what I'm

1109
00:55:22.960 --> 00:55:25.039
<v Speaker 4>gonna I'm gonna read you exactly what he said to me.

1110
00:55:25.360 --> 00:55:28.719
<v Speaker 4>Because it's just it's wild and I just like, I

1111
00:55:28.960 --> 00:55:31.559
<v Speaker 4>just found this out today and shout out to Kyle

1112
00:55:31.679 --> 00:55:34.320
<v Speaker 4>for reminding me, because and this is all see, this

1113
00:55:34.360 --> 00:55:37.800
<v Speaker 4>is Reddit. These are your gems on Reddit, just awesome

1114
00:55:37.840 --> 00:55:40.679
<v Speaker 4>people that like really want to help. You know, they're

1115
00:55:40.679 --> 00:55:42.199
<v Speaker 4>not trying to just put you down. Because when I

1116
00:55:42.199 --> 00:55:44.400
<v Speaker 4>put when I put on Reddit that I didn't think

1117
00:55:44.440 --> 00:55:47.679
<v Speaker 4>this picture was fake. Run, Oh my goodness, they tore

1118
00:55:48.159 --> 00:55:50.360
<v Speaker 4>well tried. I don't feel like they really tore me apart,

1119
00:55:50.400 --> 00:55:53.440
<v Speaker 4>but they were after me. Nobody was happy about it.

1120
00:55:53.559 --> 00:55:54.960
<v Speaker 4>Nobody was happy.

1121
00:55:56.000 --> 00:55:59.800
<v Speaker 1>It's crazy that you know how people are and how people.

1122
00:55:59.519 --> 00:56:01.159
<v Speaker 3>Get what's interesting to me.

1123
00:56:01.199 --> 00:56:03.360
<v Speaker 4>We think about hoaxers and we think about how they'll

1124
00:56:03.360 --> 00:56:05.639
<v Speaker 4>make up things that are fake and put them online

1125
00:56:05.679 --> 00:56:08.519
<v Speaker 4>so that we can treat people, but we rarely consider

1126
00:56:09.119 --> 00:56:11.519
<v Speaker 4>the links people will go to to to keep the

1127
00:56:11.760 --> 00:56:15.239
<v Speaker 4>it's a fake narrative going. I mean, they'll make up

1128
00:56:15.239 --> 00:56:17.800
<v Speaker 4>their own they'll make up their own evidence to keep

1129
00:56:17.840 --> 00:56:21.400
<v Speaker 4>that it's a fake narrative going. Okay, this guy says

1130
00:56:22.719 --> 00:56:24.480
<v Speaker 4>he makes us, I don't. I don't know if you.

1131
00:56:25.400 --> 00:56:27.000
<v Speaker 1>I try not to say, that's all right, we'll do

1132
00:56:27.039 --> 00:56:27.440
<v Speaker 1>our best.

1133
00:56:27.880 --> 00:56:30.960
<v Speaker 4>But that's Okay, yeah, I think I've said I think

1134
00:56:30.960 --> 00:56:36.159
<v Speaker 4>I've said some customers. Sorry, Okay, let me see here

1135
00:56:36.199 --> 00:56:40.480
<v Speaker 4>we are. Okay, he says, let me tell you the

1136
00:56:40.480 --> 00:56:44.000
<v Speaker 4>background on this, my friend, and he was he was

1137
00:56:44.079 --> 00:56:45.800
<v Speaker 4>kind of defending me because some people have been a

1138
00:56:45.800 --> 00:56:47.199
<v Speaker 4>little harsh.

1139
00:56:47.599 --> 00:56:50.679
<v Speaker 3>This was originally posted on a hunting forum. That's accurate.

1140
00:56:51.440 --> 00:56:53.639
<v Speaker 4>I was dealing with a similar type of creature on

1141
00:56:53.679 --> 00:56:56.360
<v Speaker 4>a video camera that was the subject of a serious

1142
00:56:56.440 --> 00:56:59.400
<v Speaker 4>move On investigation in Mississippi, and that's where I live.

1143
00:57:00.960 --> 00:57:04.280
<v Speaker 4>The gang camera was from the Barwick, Louisiana area. That's

1144
00:57:04.280 --> 00:57:08.039
<v Speaker 4>accurate outside of New Orleans. The camera owner didn't want

1145
00:57:08.119 --> 00:57:11.440
<v Speaker 4>to be publicly identified, but was seriously freaked out and

1146
00:57:11.480 --> 00:57:13.559
<v Speaker 4>gave to a buddy to see if he could find

1147
00:57:13.599 --> 00:57:17.000
<v Speaker 4>out something about it. That's when it appeared on local TV,

1148
00:57:17.199 --> 00:57:20.400
<v Speaker 4>and that's when it went viral because it was somewhat

1149
00:57:21.360 --> 00:57:22.960
<v Speaker 4>I'm not sure what he's saying it because it was

1150
00:57:23.000 --> 00:57:26.119
<v Speaker 4>somewhat somewhere to the creature that we had. I think

1151
00:57:26.159 --> 00:57:28.519
<v Speaker 4>he meant somewhat similar to the creature that we had

1152
00:57:28.519 --> 00:57:32.519
<v Speaker 4>on videotape and not that far away. Moofon investigators also

1153
00:57:32.599 --> 00:57:35.800
<v Speaker 4>investigated this trail camfeto, which I think was from a

1154
00:57:35.800 --> 00:57:38.079
<v Speaker 4>few months earlier, but I'm not sure it could have

1155
00:57:38.079 --> 00:57:41.960
<v Speaker 4>been after the movefind investigator who was from slide L

1156
00:57:42.199 --> 00:57:44.920
<v Speaker 4>and I think Slydel is in Mississippi. I bet I

1157
00:57:44.920 --> 00:57:46.679
<v Speaker 4>would have to it could be Louisiana.

1158
00:57:46.760 --> 00:57:47.119
<v Speaker 3>The better.

1159
00:57:48.000 --> 00:57:50.920
<v Speaker 4>They contacted the news reporter on this, but at the

1160
00:57:50.960 --> 00:57:54.079
<v Speaker 4>time she was declaring it was a fake. She told

1161
00:57:54.119 --> 00:57:56.440
<v Speaker 4>him that someone called in and told them it was

1162
00:57:56.639 --> 00:57:59.920
<v Speaker 4>a fake, that someone claimed to know the people in

1163
00:58:01.079 --> 00:58:03.360
<v Speaker 4>the Moveine investigator was able to get the name of

1164
00:58:03.400 --> 00:58:05.559
<v Speaker 4>the person who submitted the game camera photo to the

1165
00:58:05.679 --> 00:58:08.679
<v Speaker 4>news station, and not only did he deny it being

1166
00:58:09.039 --> 00:58:12.119
<v Speaker 4>a fake, he claimed he had never met or knew

1167
00:58:12.119 --> 00:58:15.119
<v Speaker 4>anything about the individual that handed him the photo and

1168
00:58:15.159 --> 00:58:19.480
<v Speaker 4>told him to turn it in. He also confirmed with

1169
00:58:19.599 --> 00:58:23.000
<v Speaker 4>the person the person who gave him the game camera photo,

1170
00:58:23.960 --> 00:58:26.079
<v Speaker 4>that he had no clue who he was, who the

1171
00:58:26.239 --> 00:58:29.440
<v Speaker 4>mf or was, and neither did anybody else in that community.

1172
00:58:30.400 --> 00:58:34.400
<v Speaker 4>He said it was completely He said it was completely bs.

1173
00:58:34.800 --> 00:58:38.400
<v Speaker 4>But it spoops the camera owner even more after the

1174
00:58:38.440 --> 00:58:40.679
<v Speaker 4>guy dropped in and he wanted nothing more to do

1175
00:58:40.719 --> 00:58:43.000
<v Speaker 4>with it. So, okay, it's a little confusing, but he's

1176
00:58:43.000 --> 00:58:47.280
<v Speaker 4>basically saying some guy comes in and says, my buddy,

1177
00:58:47.280 --> 00:58:50.199
<v Speaker 4>guys this on his true cam and I need you

1178
00:58:50.239 --> 00:58:51.800
<v Speaker 4>to give it to the news, says it to some

1179
00:58:52.119 --> 00:58:54.559
<v Speaker 4>find some random person and says, I need you to

1180
00:58:54.559 --> 00:58:57.440
<v Speaker 4>give this to the news. I also expoke to the

1181
00:58:58.599 --> 00:59:01.599
<v Speaker 4>news broadcast woman who they're talking about.

1182
00:59:01.679 --> 00:59:03.079
<v Speaker 3>He said he said it was fake.

1183
00:59:03.559 --> 00:59:05.639
<v Speaker 4>And I couldn't think of how, Like, how do you

1184
00:59:05.639 --> 00:59:08.000
<v Speaker 4>how do you make a conversation with someone like that?

1185
00:59:08.079 --> 00:59:10.559
<v Speaker 4>I found I found her on LinkedIn and I needed

1186
00:59:10.599 --> 00:59:13.039
<v Speaker 4>to had changed fields completely and I'm like, how do

1187
00:59:13.079 --> 00:59:16.000
<v Speaker 4>I call this woman and say so? I sent her

1188
00:59:16.000 --> 00:59:19.039
<v Speaker 4>flowers with my phone number and she told me the

1189
00:59:19.119 --> 00:59:21.440
<v Speaker 4>exact thing that I just read from this from this

1190
00:59:21.519 --> 00:59:24.079
<v Speaker 4>guy that She's like, but you know that was fake.

1191
00:59:24.320 --> 00:59:26.880
<v Speaker 4>And I'm like, well what, I actually have this conversation

1192
00:59:26.960 --> 00:59:32.199
<v Speaker 4>on YouTube and it's unlisted because she's got a completely

1193
00:59:32.239 --> 00:59:35.519
<v Speaker 4>different profession now, and out of respect for her privacy,

1194
00:59:35.719 --> 00:59:37.960
<v Speaker 4>but like, I send it to friend, so I'll send

1195
00:59:38.000 --> 00:59:40.679
<v Speaker 4>it to you. She's like, you know, that wasn't even real.

1196
00:59:40.800 --> 00:59:43.039
<v Speaker 4>And I'm like, well, what makes you say that? And

1197
00:59:43.079 --> 00:59:47.079
<v Speaker 4>she's like, well, you know, they said it was this

1198
00:59:47.119 --> 00:59:49.880
<v Speaker 4>thing that they caught and We didn't even do any

1199
00:59:49.920 --> 00:59:52.960
<v Speaker 4>research into it. We didn't do any due diligence, and

1200
00:59:53.159 --> 00:59:55.639
<v Speaker 4>I kind of got in trouble from my producer. He

1201
00:59:55.760 --> 00:59:58.280
<v Speaker 4>was like, you don't pay things unless you've looked into him.

1202
00:59:59.000 --> 00:59:59.280
<v Speaker 1>And so.

1203
01:00:00.760 --> 01:00:05.519
<v Speaker 4>I asked where did it come from, Like what was

1204
01:00:05.559 --> 01:00:09.320
<v Speaker 4>the address? Well, she said it came from Facebook, but

1205
01:00:09.400 --> 01:00:12.079
<v Speaker 4>someone else on LinkedIn had told me that it was

1206
01:00:12.119 --> 01:00:15.559
<v Speaker 4>emailed from an email address with dot M I L

1207
01:00:16.519 --> 01:00:19.760
<v Speaker 4>at the end, dot gmail dot com now Yahoo dot com,

1208
01:00:19.800 --> 01:00:24.840
<v Speaker 4>DotMil and that's military, which I found fascinating when I

1209
01:00:24.840 --> 01:00:29.280
<v Speaker 4>couldn't understand why there was a disparity between it. Emily's Turners. Okay,

1210
01:00:29.320 --> 01:00:33.000
<v Speaker 4>so that's not her maiden name. She's married now and

1211
01:00:33.039 --> 01:00:35.400
<v Speaker 4>she didn't have the name anymore. So Emily Turner was

1212
01:00:35.400 --> 01:00:39.280
<v Speaker 4>the news broadcast person who initially reported on the story,

1213
01:00:39.639 --> 01:00:41.199
<v Speaker 4>and I'm like, why is she telling me somebody sent

1214
01:00:41.239 --> 01:00:43.119
<v Speaker 4>it on Facebook and this other person is saying they

1215
01:00:43.159 --> 01:00:45.559
<v Speaker 4>sent it from an email address. I got back to

1216
01:00:45.559 --> 01:00:47.400
<v Speaker 4>on LinkedIn and I saw exactly why, and it was

1217
01:00:47.440 --> 01:00:50.760
<v Speaker 4>because I had accidentally emailed someone else from a new

1218
01:00:50.880 --> 01:00:56.800
<v Speaker 4>station that was also in Baton Rage, Louisiana. But it

1219
01:00:56.960 --> 01:01:01.079
<v Speaker 4>just wasn't the same station. So someone did you get

1220
01:01:01.119 --> 01:01:03.320
<v Speaker 4>where I'm going with this? They didn't just send this

1221
01:01:03.360 --> 01:01:06.639
<v Speaker 4>to one news station. Whoever was sending this, send it

1222
01:01:06.719 --> 01:01:10.679
<v Speaker 4>to who knows how many and at this point they get.

1223
01:01:10.599 --> 01:01:13.000
<v Speaker 1>It kind of thing. Maybe possibly, I think.

1224
01:01:13.079 --> 01:01:15.800
<v Speaker 3>So, Yeah, I don't know why.

1225
01:01:15.920 --> 01:01:19.079
<v Speaker 4>I don't know why the day was changed, but I cannot,

1226
01:01:19.079 --> 01:01:21.679
<v Speaker 4>for the life of me, figure why anyone someone went

1227
01:01:21.719 --> 01:01:23.480
<v Speaker 4>to a decent amount of trouble to edit that photo

1228
01:01:23.559 --> 01:01:25.280
<v Speaker 4>and change it and then get it on the news.

1229
01:01:25.559 --> 01:01:28.400
<v Speaker 4>Because if we know they send it to two news stations,

1230
01:01:28.719 --> 01:01:30.039
<v Speaker 4>how many more could they have sent it to?

1231
01:01:30.039 --> 01:01:30.079
<v Speaker 8>You?

1232
01:01:30.320 --> 01:01:30.519
<v Speaker 7>Right?

1233
01:01:32.599 --> 01:01:34.639
<v Speaker 4>And so my thoughts on that are, you know, you

1234
01:01:34.840 --> 01:01:37.639
<v Speaker 4>changed one tiny little bit of information on something like that,

1235
01:01:37.679 --> 01:01:40.440
<v Speaker 4>and it caused into question the entire credibility of the image.

1236
01:01:40.800 --> 01:01:42.800
<v Speaker 3>And so yeah, the date it's.

1237
01:01:42.679 --> 01:01:45.480
<v Speaker 4>Wrong, so it's fate, it's the and then the internet

1238
01:01:45.559 --> 01:01:46.880
<v Speaker 4>takes to go the rest.

1239
01:01:47.400 --> 01:01:50.039
<v Speaker 1>So you're correct, you know, they just eat it alive,

1240
01:01:50.159 --> 01:01:51.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, and they just to rip it apart and

1241
01:01:53.039 --> 01:01:56.079
<v Speaker 1>that's it. Wow, you've done some deep dives on this.

1242
01:01:56.199 --> 01:01:58.280
<v Speaker 1>You definitely have done some deep dives on this. And

1243
01:01:59.000 --> 01:02:01.119
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to hold you too much longer, but

1244
01:02:01.719 --> 01:02:04.239
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's because I know we're running a little

1245
01:02:04.239 --> 01:02:07.920
<v Speaker 1>bit late. But is there anything No, No, no worries,

1246
01:02:07.960 --> 01:02:09.800
<v Speaker 1>No worries. Is there anything else you want to bring

1247
01:02:09.880 --> 01:02:11.960
<v Speaker 1>up about this or anything else?

1248
01:02:13.159 --> 01:02:13.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

1249
01:02:13.599 --> 01:02:17.840
<v Speaker 4>So okay, I wanted to I'm not a obviously, I'm

1250
01:02:17.840 --> 01:02:20.239
<v Speaker 4>not a professional photo forensics person.

1251
01:02:20.760 --> 01:02:22.239
<v Speaker 3>I did take a I spent a.

1252
01:02:22.239 --> 01:02:26.079
<v Speaker 4>Lot of time learning about it. So I thought for

1253
01:02:26.199 --> 01:02:29.039
<v Speaker 4>the documentary, I'm gonna take the low detecture.

1254
01:02:29.159 --> 01:02:29.800
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to do this.

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<v Speaker 4>I want to hire an actual photo forensics person to

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01:02:34.280 --> 01:02:37.000
<v Speaker 4>get to go take me seriously, first of all, because

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01:02:37.039 --> 01:02:39.840
<v Speaker 4>it's hard to find people to take you seriously when

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01:02:39.840 --> 01:02:42.639
<v Speaker 4>you're sitting on a picture like this, and you know,

1259
01:02:42.719 --> 01:02:43.960
<v Speaker 4>I want to have them go through it and tell

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01:02:44.039 --> 01:02:46.119
<v Speaker 4>me what's up. So I get on freelancer dot com

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01:02:46.119 --> 01:02:50.079
<v Speaker 4>and I even paid for the service where a recreator

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01:02:50.159 --> 01:02:53.400
<v Speaker 4>will help you find someone. And so people are applying

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01:02:53.559 --> 01:02:56.239
<v Speaker 4>and they don't know any more than I do. Like

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01:02:56.280 --> 01:02:58.000
<v Speaker 4>I'm asking on what methods are you going to use?

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01:02:58.039 --> 01:03:00.880
<v Speaker 4>And so they list off all these methods and one

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01:03:00.880 --> 01:03:02.960
<v Speaker 4>of them tells me, well, I'm gonna look at the layers. No,

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01:03:03.079 --> 01:03:06.119
<v Speaker 4>you're not man, because jaypecked. They don't have layers. There's

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01:03:06.119 --> 01:03:09.079
<v Speaker 4>no layers to a japag. What are you talking about?

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01:03:09.440 --> 01:03:13.440
<v Speaker 4>And so finally the creator recruiter was like, Missy, I'm

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01:03:13.519 --> 01:03:15.880
<v Speaker 4>just gonna give you a heads up. Look, no human

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01:03:15.920 --> 01:03:18.119
<v Speaker 4>alive is going to be able to analyze this photo

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01:03:18.400 --> 01:03:19.960
<v Speaker 4>the way AI could analyze it.

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01:03:20.920 --> 01:03:22.719
<v Speaker 3>So I'm going to send you a lead.

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01:03:22.960 --> 01:03:27.199
<v Speaker 4>And so he did, and I put the picture through

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01:03:27.239 --> 01:03:30.920
<v Speaker 4>the AI and we went through all the prompts and

1276
01:03:30.960 --> 01:03:32.800
<v Speaker 4>it would come back and give me the answers. And

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01:03:33.679 --> 01:03:35.719
<v Speaker 4>at the end of it, this was the best part.

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01:03:36.760 --> 01:03:38.920
<v Speaker 4>I the final question I asked. I was like, what

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01:03:39.000 --> 01:03:43.079
<v Speaker 4>are the odds that a photo that was captured thirteen

1280
01:03:43.159 --> 01:03:46.679
<v Speaker 4>years ago? Eleven year? What was? Okay, twenty ten and

1281
01:03:46.679 --> 01:03:48.440
<v Speaker 4>now we're in twenty twenty four, So how how old

1282
01:03:48.559 --> 01:03:50.480
<v Speaker 4>is that? I can't I can't mask it, right, what

1283
01:03:50.599 --> 01:03:52.880
<v Speaker 4>is that? Eleven years, fourteen years, I don't even know,

1284
01:03:53.719 --> 01:03:54.639
<v Speaker 4>twenty ten, ten?

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01:03:54.760 --> 01:03:59.360
<v Speaker 3>Come on, miss twenty ten to twenty years? There weekend?

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01:04:00.840 --> 01:04:02.599
<v Speaker 4>I think I said thirteen because I think I did

1287
01:04:02.599 --> 01:04:05.119
<v Speaker 4>this Sneecember. Yeah, So I'm like, what are the odds

1288
01:04:05.119 --> 01:04:10.320
<v Speaker 4>that an image that was manipulated thirteen years ago could

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01:04:10.440 --> 01:04:14.320
<v Speaker 4>escape the image manipulation detection techniques that we have today,

1290
01:04:15.920 --> 01:04:20.000
<v Speaker 4>it's virtually impossible. And AI did not pick up any

1291
01:04:20.039 --> 01:04:25.119
<v Speaker 4>manipulation around the creature. Everything was uniform. There was a

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01:04:25.480 --> 01:04:28.079
<v Speaker 4>there was a there was a low noise level, but

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01:04:28.320 --> 01:04:30.440
<v Speaker 4>it was it was across the whole image. I mean,

1294
01:04:30.880 --> 01:04:33.440
<v Speaker 4>AI did analysis that I didn't even know were possible.

1295
01:04:33.480 --> 01:04:35.800
<v Speaker 4>There were about sixteen different things that ran and it

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01:04:35.880 --> 01:04:37.599
<v Speaker 4>found no evidence of manipulation.

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01:04:38.599 --> 01:04:41.519
<v Speaker 1>So you've done all this research on this photo, you know,

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01:04:42.039 --> 01:04:44.960
<v Speaker 1>just to prove that it's legit, and this is what

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01:04:45.000 --> 01:04:46.039
<v Speaker 1>you saw pretty.

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01:04:45.840 --> 01:04:49.760
<v Speaker 3>Much, all right. So Rick Grevinik I mentioned him earlier, and.

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01:04:51.199 --> 01:04:53.960
<v Speaker 4>He's he had one of these things coming up in

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01:04:53.960 --> 01:04:57.599
<v Speaker 4>his backyard and a lot of people say that his

1303
01:04:57.719 --> 01:05:00.639
<v Speaker 4>video is faked. He had an I keep put him

1304
01:05:00.639 --> 01:05:03.800
<v Speaker 4>wrong on password for my phone was oh, he had

1305
01:05:03.840 --> 01:05:05.880
<v Speaker 4>a lot of people get people just really give you

1306
01:05:05.920 --> 01:05:08.280
<v Speaker 4>a hard time. So it doesn't surprise me that nobody

1307
01:05:08.360 --> 01:05:10.519
<v Speaker 4>comes forward with this stuff because they can just be

1308
01:05:10.639 --> 01:05:15.840
<v Speaker 4>so hateful. But he's okay, this this video with Rick Grevinick,

1309
01:05:15.920 --> 01:05:18.039
<v Speaker 4>and I'm currently in touch with him, and so I'm

1310
01:05:18.079 --> 01:05:20.719
<v Speaker 4>super excited about that. But he's he's having weird things

1311
01:05:20.719 --> 01:05:23.119
<v Speaker 4>happening at his house and he's asleep on the couch

1312
01:05:23.119 --> 01:05:24.960
<v Speaker 4>one night and hears something open the screen door, and

1313
01:05:25.000 --> 01:05:27.400
<v Speaker 4>so he's like, I'm going to take video. So he's

1314
01:05:27.400 --> 01:05:29.639
<v Speaker 4>sitting on his son porch and he's got his iPad

1315
01:05:29.760 --> 01:05:33.280
<v Speaker 4>in the in the in the screened in area, and

1316
01:05:33.320 --> 01:05:36.960
<v Speaker 4>he's sitting back and he calls it his preacher because

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01:05:36.960 --> 01:05:39.960
<v Speaker 4>he's terrified. And what you're what you're looking at is

1318
01:05:40.000 --> 01:05:43.960
<v Speaker 4>a humanoid creature and it's moving all weird. When I

1319
01:05:44.000 --> 01:05:46.639
<v Speaker 4>saw that, I knew, I knew he wasn't full of

1320
01:05:46.679 --> 01:05:50.239
<v Speaker 4>it because the way this thing moves, it's it's pretty.

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01:05:51.880 --> 01:05:52.440
<v Speaker 3>It's the same.

1322
01:05:52.480 --> 01:05:54.679
<v Speaker 4>It's it's the same thing I describe when I said,

1323
01:05:54.960 --> 01:05:57.719
<v Speaker 4>you can read a story written by someone who has

1324
01:05:57.760 --> 01:06:00.360
<v Speaker 4>experienced something very similar to what you have, and you know,

1325
01:06:00.480 --> 01:06:02.280
<v Speaker 4>you just know they're telling the truth. It's the same

1326
01:06:02.320 --> 01:06:04.480
<v Speaker 4>with watching this thing move. The way it kind of

1327
01:06:04.519 --> 01:06:08.320
<v Speaker 4>was like it'll bob and weave. It's not no coordination there.

1328
01:06:09.679 --> 01:06:14.000
<v Speaker 3>Oh, it's so yes, and it's doing this. It's like

1329
01:06:14.800 --> 01:06:15.960
<v Speaker 3>all curious looking.

1330
01:06:16.559 --> 01:06:20.480
<v Speaker 4>So there was that one that and then when I

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01:06:20.519 --> 01:06:24.400
<v Speaker 4>saw that, I commented and said, you know, guys, there's

1332
01:06:24.480 --> 01:06:28.159
<v Speaker 4>this other video of a moose on the side of

1333
01:06:28.199 --> 01:06:31.239
<v Speaker 4>the road in Canada being stalked by this pale white

1334
01:06:31.320 --> 01:06:35.599
<v Speaker 4>humanoid and it's moving the same way. You know, a

1335
01:06:35.599 --> 01:06:38.039
<v Speaker 4>lot of people try to tell me that's a blob

1336
01:06:38.119 --> 01:06:41.719
<v Speaker 4>on a wind child, but you'll have for me the

1337
01:06:43.079 --> 01:06:46.400
<v Speaker 4>I stabilized it side by side, and then I stabilized

1338
01:06:46.440 --> 01:06:49.599
<v Speaker 4>the original. And the woman who took the video, she

1339
01:06:49.679 --> 01:06:52.639
<v Speaker 4>didn't notice this pale creature when she took the video.

1340
01:06:52.679 --> 01:06:54.199
<v Speaker 4>They were just recording a moose on the side of

1341
01:06:54.199 --> 01:06:58.880
<v Speaker 4>the road, because I guess that people do that. Oh know, well, yeah,

1342
01:06:59.000 --> 01:07:01.480
<v Speaker 4>moose is here. Big I remember the first time I

1343
01:07:01.519 --> 01:07:03.639
<v Speaker 4>saw me. So yeah, something to stop you, of course, yeah,

1344
01:07:03.639 --> 01:07:05.920
<v Speaker 4>you stop. You take some pictures and take some videos,

1345
01:07:05.960 --> 01:07:10.320
<v Speaker 4>of course, right, yeah, but you can see this thing.

1346
01:07:10.360 --> 01:07:12.920
<v Speaker 4>It's like kind of stalking it and the way it's moving.

1347
01:07:14.519 --> 01:07:17.920
<v Speaker 4>So then there's another video. It's amazing how many videos

1348
01:07:17.920 --> 01:07:20.199
<v Speaker 4>you don't have videos like this bigfoot. You might get

1349
01:07:20.199 --> 01:07:23.239
<v Speaker 4>a blur or people say, oh, you filmed that with

1350
01:07:23.239 --> 01:07:27.079
<v Speaker 4>a potato and it's like, of course, Idaho, like what

1351
01:07:27.239 --> 01:07:31.519
<v Speaker 4>you're still using Nikon's It's not easy to get pictures

1352
01:07:31.639 --> 01:07:33.440
<v Speaker 4>things like this. Look, I'll tell you when I saw

1353
01:07:33.480 --> 01:07:35.000
<v Speaker 4>that thing in the raad, the last thing on my

1354
01:07:35.039 --> 01:07:37.840
<v Speaker 4>mind was picking up my camera or phone or whatever

1355
01:07:38.159 --> 01:07:40.000
<v Speaker 4>and getting a kid picture for everybody to look at.

1356
01:07:40.039 --> 01:07:41.840
<v Speaker 4>I was thinking, I don't know what I was thinking,

1357
01:07:42.039 --> 01:07:44.559
<v Speaker 4>but it wasn't about getting a picture. So usually these

1358
01:07:44.840 --> 01:07:48.199
<v Speaker 4>these videos were taken by mistake, like that they accidentally

1359
01:07:48.199 --> 01:07:50.639
<v Speaker 4>captured it, or like in Rick's case, he was fed

1360
01:07:50.679 --> 01:07:53.079
<v Speaker 4>up because where things were happening, and he puts the

1361
01:07:53.119 --> 01:07:56.280
<v Speaker 4>thing in screen porch and and it's long, it's a

1362
01:07:56.280 --> 01:07:59.400
<v Speaker 4>long video. But the so you've got that one, You've

1363
01:07:59.400 --> 01:08:02.000
<v Speaker 4>got the guy or the one on the side of

1364
01:08:02.039 --> 01:08:03.960
<v Speaker 4>the red stalk in the maze. People say it's a

1365
01:08:03.960 --> 01:08:07.079
<v Speaker 4>smudge on the windshield. I want to smack them. Every

1366
01:08:07.119 --> 01:08:08.840
<v Speaker 4>time I hear that that is not that is not

1367
01:08:08.920 --> 01:08:12.000
<v Speaker 4>a smudge on windshield, I'd be I mean, you know,

1368
01:08:13.400 --> 01:08:17.399
<v Speaker 4>their their opinion is valid. I guess I just strongly disagree.

1369
01:08:17.960 --> 01:08:21.439
<v Speaker 4>Then the other most compelling one I could think of is, uh,

1370
01:08:21.800 --> 01:08:23.680
<v Speaker 4>the sky's in an ice cave and I want to

1371
01:08:23.720 --> 01:08:27.760
<v Speaker 4>say Armenia, and it could have been a different country

1372
01:08:27.840 --> 01:08:30.920
<v Speaker 4>or Austra. Anyway, he's in an ice cave and he's

1373
01:08:30.960 --> 01:08:34.279
<v Speaker 4>filming and you and he's like, you know, the camera

1374
01:08:34.319 --> 01:08:39.720
<v Speaker 4>pans up and you see this pale humanoid creature scaling

1375
01:08:39.800 --> 01:08:43.359
<v Speaker 4>the side of this ice cave just like leg like

1376
01:08:43.880 --> 01:08:46.920
<v Speaker 4>arm over leg over, arm over leg. And it looks

1377
01:08:47.079 --> 01:08:49.720
<v Speaker 4>just like thinging rickyard. And it looks just like the

1378
01:08:49.800 --> 01:08:51.199
<v Speaker 4>mas on the side of the red Now, I mean

1379
01:08:51.239 --> 01:08:53.159
<v Speaker 4>not just like, but.

1380
01:08:53.119 --> 01:08:54.840
<v Speaker 1>The similar pretty similar.

1381
01:08:55.239 --> 01:08:59.479
<v Speaker 4>I was so similar that, like, how can you even deny?

1382
01:08:59.800 --> 01:09:02.239
<v Speaker 4>I mean, it's wild. And there's there's more. There's a

1383
01:09:02.279 --> 01:09:05.680
<v Speaker 4>lot of them. The most recent one is these people

1384
01:09:05.720 --> 01:09:09.359
<v Speaker 4>from Kentucky caught one on their security camera and it's

1385
01:09:09.439 --> 01:09:12.279
<v Speaker 4>walking like on It's it's not it's not like crawling

1386
01:09:12.399 --> 01:09:16.399
<v Speaker 4>like you see mysel them. It's bipedal and you could

1387
01:09:16.399 --> 01:09:19.039
<v Speaker 4>hear the people talking. And unfortunately it's a video of

1388
01:09:19.079 --> 01:09:20.960
<v Speaker 4>a video, and you get that a lot with things

1389
01:09:20.960 --> 01:09:25.079
<v Speaker 4>like this. But it looked just like. I mean, they

1390
01:09:25.119 --> 01:09:30.680
<v Speaker 4>all look so similar. It's just I don't understand how

1391
01:09:31.119 --> 01:09:33.960
<v Speaker 4>well I do understand because they're scared. People are scared.

1392
01:09:34.159 --> 01:09:35.840
<v Speaker 4>You don't want to believe something like that exists. To

1393
01:09:35.840 --> 01:09:38.840
<v Speaker 4>believe something like that exists is to be uncomfortable all

1394
01:09:38.880 --> 01:09:42.520
<v Speaker 4>the time. So yep, I mean, because I have actual

1395
01:09:42.520 --> 01:09:44.000
<v Speaker 4>permission to use those videos.

1396
01:09:44.720 --> 01:09:46.159
<v Speaker 3>But there's there's a lot out there.

1397
01:09:46.199 --> 01:09:50.079
<v Speaker 4>I mean, you know, there's the Nuke's Top five list

1398
01:09:50.199 --> 01:09:52.840
<v Speaker 4>or whatever, you know, those they have all kinds of

1399
01:09:52.920 --> 01:09:56.039
<v Speaker 4>crazy videos, and of course some of them could be fake,

1400
01:09:56.760 --> 01:09:59.800
<v Speaker 4>but all of them, you know, is there a conspiracy

1401
01:09:59.800 --> 01:10:02.439
<v Speaker 4>that's been going on for thousands of years. We all

1402
01:10:02.439 --> 01:10:04.600
<v Speaker 4>get together to have Look, we're gonna we're gonna make

1403
01:10:04.680 --> 01:10:07.600
<v Speaker 4>up some stories about these bald humanoids and let's keep

1404
01:10:07.600 --> 01:10:09.880
<v Speaker 4>it going, guys. And my great grandmother told me, and

1405
01:10:09.920 --> 01:10:11.880
<v Speaker 4>her great grandmother told her that doesn't make any sense

1406
01:10:11.920 --> 01:10:12.079
<v Speaker 4>to me.

1407
01:10:12.520 --> 01:10:13.600
<v Speaker 3>That's highly unlikely.

1408
01:10:13.960 --> 01:10:16.880
<v Speaker 1>So no, of course, And I want to say thank

1409
01:10:16.920 --> 01:10:18.920
<v Speaker 1>you so much for making the time, you know, and

1410
01:10:19.119 --> 01:10:21.399
<v Speaker 1>even having your internet go out, you know, having the

1411
01:10:21.720 --> 01:10:24.760
<v Speaker 1>line cut and still still making it. That is That

1412
01:10:24.880 --> 01:10:26.399
<v Speaker 1>is great. I really want to say thank you.

1413
01:10:27.000 --> 01:10:28.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no problem.

1414
01:10:28.199 --> 01:10:30.319
<v Speaker 4>We should get together and talk again because I need

1415
01:10:30.359 --> 01:10:32.359
<v Speaker 4>to tell you about the story I found about the

1416
01:10:32.439 --> 01:10:35.239
<v Speaker 4>live giant that was called in Alabama in the eighteen

1417
01:10:35.319 --> 01:10:36.239
<v Speaker 4>seventy seven.

1418
01:10:36.520 --> 01:10:40.960
<v Speaker 1>What okay, okay, yes, we're gonna stop this right because

1419
01:10:40.960 --> 01:10:44.640
<v Speaker 1>that is I definitely want to hear more of that one, Missy.

1420
01:10:44.760 --> 01:10:47.520
<v Speaker 4>Definitely, it's the best story. I can't believe I even

1421
01:10:47.520 --> 01:10:50.560
<v Speaker 4>came across this. Yeah, I'm excited. That's what I'm working

1422
01:10:50.560 --> 01:10:52.920
<v Speaker 4>on right now, among other things. But I'm really excited

1423
01:10:52.920 --> 01:10:53.199
<v Speaker 4>about that.

1424
01:10:53.840 --> 01:10:57.520
<v Speaker 1>Wow. Okay, yeah, I'm game. I'm totally gay for that, Missy.

1425
01:10:57.560 --> 01:10:59.399
<v Speaker 1>This has been fantastic. I really want to say thank

1426
01:10:59.439 --> 01:11:01.800
<v Speaker 1>you for you know, spending the time and and talking

1427
01:11:01.840 --> 01:11:05.000
<v Speaker 1>to us and telling us here about your experience and

1428
01:11:05.079 --> 01:11:08.720
<v Speaker 1>about your research, because you know it that this experience

1429
01:11:08.760 --> 01:11:11.760
<v Speaker 1>has spurned you and and you know created a you know,

1430
01:11:12.239 --> 01:11:15.760
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, a drive. Uh, you know, just this

1431
01:11:15.760 --> 01:11:18.199
<v Speaker 1>this this new goal in your life, you know.

1432
01:11:18.159 --> 01:11:19.920
<v Speaker 3>Which is it's madness.

1433
01:11:19.920 --> 01:11:24.720
<v Speaker 1>But I love it, yes, exactly. So I definitely want

1434
01:11:24.720 --> 01:11:26.399
<v Speaker 1>to say thank you so much, Missy.

1435
01:11:26.960 --> 01:11:28.680
<v Speaker 4>I feel like I'm the lucky one for being able

1436
01:11:28.680 --> 01:11:30.399
<v Speaker 4>to come on and talk to you. I've had so

1437
01:11:30.479 --> 01:11:32.800
<v Speaker 4>much fun. It was like talking to a friend. I

1438
01:11:32.840 --> 01:11:33.680
<v Speaker 4>really enjoyed it.

1439
01:11:33.840 --> 01:11:36.239
<v Speaker 1>Thanks. I agree, I agree, thank you so much, Missy.

1440
01:11:36.359 --> 01:11:38.720
<v Speaker 1>And we will get back to your here right away,

1441
01:11:39.039 --> 01:11:42.520
<v Speaker 1>all right. So I want to say thank you to Missy. Wow,

1442
01:11:42.560 --> 01:11:44.439
<v Speaker 1>we we could have kept on talking and talking. That

1443
01:11:44.600 --> 01:11:47.800
<v Speaker 1>was great. She's got a lot of she's done a

1444
01:11:47.800 --> 01:11:48.439
<v Speaker 1>lot of research.

1445
01:11:48.479 --> 01:11:48.560
<v Speaker 4>You know.

1446
01:11:48.600 --> 01:11:51.279
<v Speaker 1>It seems to be that I keep finding people that

1447
01:11:51.319 --> 01:11:53.159
<v Speaker 1>have done so much research, you know, like Missy with

1448
01:11:53.199 --> 01:11:56.920
<v Speaker 1>her her pale walkers or crawlers. You know, we got

1449
01:11:56.920 --> 01:12:01.359
<v Speaker 1>Sebastian with his UFOs show, Costa with with the UFOs

1450
01:12:01.399 --> 01:12:06.199
<v Speaker 1>as well, and just so many and Walter Walter Bosley

1451
01:12:06.319 --> 01:12:10.600
<v Speaker 1>with all his research on portals and in the lay lines.

1452
01:12:10.680 --> 01:12:14.439
<v Speaker 1>It's been great. You know, this is exactly what we're

1453
01:12:14.479 --> 01:12:16.319
<v Speaker 1>trying to do. We're trying to collect all this information

1454
01:12:16.960 --> 01:12:19.560
<v Speaker 1>and you know, pass it on to you. And so

1455
01:12:20.039 --> 01:12:23.399
<v Speaker 1>again that's for you, the listener, you the watcher, that

1456
01:12:23.600 --> 01:12:26.359
<v Speaker 1>is what this is for. It's for you to acquire

1457
01:12:26.399 --> 01:12:30.199
<v Speaker 1>more knowledge and just grow and to come along on

1458
01:12:30.239 --> 01:12:32.000
<v Speaker 1>this journey with us as we try to figure out

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<v Speaker 1>what is going on. And like I always say, keep

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<v Speaker 1>your curiosities wandering and ensure that the light remains lit.

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<v Speaker 7>But the stars with shadows grow.

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<v Speaker 9>Benevolence, echoes, whisper low, big foot romes through the forest, deep.

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<v Speaker 7>And dark man prowls where the brain will sleep. Across

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<v Speaker 7>our history, we want to lie.

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<v Speaker 9>Seeking the truth that time try to hide.

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<v Speaker 7>You could cure us. And teeth wandering and the lightly

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<v Speaker 7>through the.

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<v Speaker 8>Darkness done he clif and the codecs the mysteries coment, always.

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<v Speaker 9>Found a way back home, unfo streak through the velvet skies.

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<v Speaker 7>Ailey is watched with unblinking eyes.

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<v Speaker 10>The caronormal homes were silence breaks.

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<v Speaker 7>In the void of secrets. The Lancern wakes through him

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<v Speaker 7>and relse his stories and tall the cold gas flame

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<v Speaker 7>is it's a hole.

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<v Speaker 10>Keep your curiosity wandering, and the lightly through the darkness.

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<v Speaker 7>Don't ever quid.

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<v Speaker 8>In the code acts from the Mystery's coming. Always find

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<v Speaker 8>your weight back home. You have Foster through the velvet skies.

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01:14:24.439 --> 01:14:30.319
<v Speaker 8>Aley is watched with unblinking eyes. The paranormal homes were

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<v Speaker 8>silence breaks.

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<v Speaker 7>In the void of secrets. So Lancern wakes through here

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<v Speaker 7>relative stories.

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<v Speaker 6>Some taol.

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<v Speaker 7>The co get famous Like a hole.

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<v Speaker 10>Keep your curiosity wandering, and the lightly through the darkness.

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01:14:49.840 --> 01:14:53.479
<v Speaker 10>Don't ever quit In the Code Acts, the mystery is coming.

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<v Speaker 7>Always find your way back home. Legends rise from the

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01:15:05.359 --> 01:15:10.880
<v Speaker 7>bird's deep core. The last legacy we can't ignore.

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<v Speaker 8>With every step, the fatal gross thin reveal it was

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<v Speaker 8>where the strength begins.

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<v Speaker 10>Keep your curiosity is wandering, and the lightly through the darkness.

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<v Speaker 7>Corner a clip in the code accident. The mysteries coming.

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<v Speaker 7>Always find your way. Bet some giants practice that call.

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<v Speaker 7>Alien's histories will uncover it all. With what the code

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<v Speaker 7>a cow, I'll never be alone to coo, We'll always

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<v Speaker 7>find our way home.