Speaker 1: What the heck is going on here?
Speaker 2: It's a little bit after five on a Sunday night,
Speaker 2: and Gary Jeff's on the radio, not Dan Horde or
Speaker 2: anybody else. Well, apparently Dan couldn't make it, and you
Speaker 2: know what, Mike Allen Junior can't make it either. So
Speaker 2: I'm stuck or you're stuck with me for the next
Speaker 2: three and a half hours. It's great to be with
Speaker 2: you on a Sunday night. I would call it a nightcap,
Speaker 2: and I guess I do kind of because that's what
Speaker 2: I call my interview shows nightcaps. It's more like a
Speaker 2: happy hour. So let's get happy, shall we. A guy
Speaker 2: first up next who is not happy is with the
Speaker 2: Epstein Justice Plan or whatever Epstein Justice dot com. And
Speaker 2: he is hoppin mad that we still don't know everything
Speaker 2: that he thinks they as in the DOJ and FBI
Speaker 2: know about not only the death of Jeffrey Epstein, but
Speaker 2: that that list that now doesn't exist of names. I
Speaker 2: don't know how much that matters to you and I
Speaker 2: in our daily life, but a lot of people have
Speaker 2: a lot of questions that haven't been answered and they're
Speaker 2: not happy. So we will talk to Pete Shin coming
Speaker 2: up in just a moment as we get you going
Speaker 2: on a Sunday nightcap, happy hour whatever.
Speaker 1: Who is this guy in the radio?
Speaker 2: Anyway, it is a special weekend nightcap here on seven
Speaker 2: hundred and Joining us for this segment is Pete Shin.
Speaker 2: He is an associate director of Epstein Justice. He is
Speaker 2: an Air Force veteran of combat. And we are still
Speaker 2: in the midst of this nagging controversy that will not
Speaker 2: go away because people are demanding answers, and they were
Speaker 2: told they were going to get answers when President Trump
Speaker 2: took office. We're still waiting for all those answers as
Speaker 2: relating to Jeffrey Epstein, what the files hold in store,
Speaker 2: who possibly would have a motive for killing Jeffrey Epstein
Speaker 2: in that jail cell in New York and Julane Maxwell
Speaker 2: and all of the rest of the little pieces that
Speaker 2: go into this story. Peach In, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 1: How are you.
Speaker 3: I'm well, Thank you, and thanks for having me to
Speaker 3: talk about this important subject which is only growing more
Speaker 3: important by the day.
Speaker 2: Well, all of a sudden, when we were told that
Speaker 2: there was no list of names, all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: after Pam Bondi famously or infamously said she had the
Speaker 2: files right there in her desk.
Speaker 1: And this is.
Speaker 2: Seemingly the only thing that Democrats can scrape and scrap
Speaker 2: and carp about. Now, where were they for four years
Speaker 2: under j o'biden wanting to get to the bottom of
Speaker 2: what happened to Jeffrey Epstein and who was involved in
Speaker 2: Epstein Island and the Lolita Express and all the rest
Speaker 2: that we do know about that occurred, the trafficking of
Speaker 2: underage girls to this island and the involvement of very,
Speaker 2: very high profile people. Many have been mentioned along the
Speaker 2: route over the last eight nine years, including Prince Andrew
Speaker 2: of Great Britain, Bill Clinton, who went to Epstein Island
Speaker 2: allegedly twenty eight times. President Trump, for his part, says
Speaker 2: he never went to the island. He was friends at
Speaker 2: one time with Jeffrey Epstein, they had close relations just
Speaker 2: because they moved in the same circles, but famously kicked
Speaker 2: Epstein out of mar A Lago at one point about
Speaker 2: oh gosh, almost twenty years ago because he didn't like
Speaker 2: the things that Epstein was doing. I mean, what do
Speaker 2: we know and what do you know about any of
Speaker 2: those moving parts. Pete.
Speaker 3: Well, these are complicated questions, but what we know for
Speaker 3: sure is that we were promised by the Trump administration,
Speaker 3: both before election and then subsequently afterwards, that not only
Speaker 3: did a list of Epstein clients exists, but in fact
Speaker 3: one was sitting on the desk of Attorney General Pam BONDI.
Speaker 4: Then we get a post.
Speaker 3: Unsigned by the way, an unsigned joint communicate from the
Speaker 3: Department of Justice and the Federal Bureau of Investigation on
Speaker 3: July seventh, saying nothing to see here. We've been through
Speaker 3: all of the information that we have, which includes hundreds
Speaker 3: of gigabytes of data on hard drives and I would
Speaker 3: presume probably terabytes of information. We've looked through all of that.
Speaker 3: We've looked through all of the DVDs that we seized
Speaker 3: from his New York brownstone. We've looked at all of
Speaker 3: the electronic surveillance that Jeffrey Epstein himself captured, of all
Speaker 3: of the people that were with him, and we've determined
Speaker 3: that no one did anything wrong except Jeffrey Epstein and
Speaker 3: Gallaine Maxwell. Well, that strains, that just strains belief, and
Speaker 3: it beggars belief, and the American people don't believe it.
Speaker 3: I mean, and that's why there's a political crisis right now.
Speaker 3: It's and by the way, you mentioned the Democrats leaping
Speaker 3: onto this political crisis that is basically of the Trump
Speaker 3: administration's own making, but they're gnashing at the bit to
Speaker 3: get involved in this. And here's the thing. This is
Speaker 3: a bipartisan and nonpartisan issue because I will tell you this,
Speaker 3: if the Democrats get what they want and all of
Speaker 3: the information is released, I don't think the Democrats will
Speaker 3: look very good, nor will the Republicans. Frankly, this is
Speaker 3: why this issue is nonpartisan. Ultimately, what the evidence appears
Speaker 3: to show is is that human beings of both political
Speaker 3: persuasions were more than willing to engage in the activities
Speaker 3: that Jeffrey Epstein was offering them. And so I think
Speaker 3: that if the information is allowed to be released, there
Speaker 3: are going to be some sacred cow sacrificed on both
Speaker 3: sides of the aisle.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, Merrick Garland probably had the same information Pat
Speaker 2: Bondi claimed to have, and there wasn't a peep about
Speaker 2: this when Merrick Garland was the age was.
Speaker 3: There certainly not, Nor was there a peep about this
Speaker 3: in any of the Obama administrations, nor was there a
Speaker 3: peep about this in the last Bush administration, which, by
Speaker 3: the way, was the administration that approved the sweetheart deal
Speaker 3: that allowed Jeffrey Epstein to plead guilty to two counts
Speaker 3: of soliciting prostitution and register as a sex offender, fight
Speaker 3: the fact that he ran what was widely regarded as
Speaker 3: the most prolific child sex trafficking network that had ever
Speaker 3: been uncovered in North America. So yes, what I'm saying
Speaker 3: is that there are administrations, both administrations from Democrat and
Speaker 3: Republican administrations, appear to be complicit in covering up associates
Speaker 3: of this notorious child sex trafficker. And the question becomes,
Speaker 3: why are they covering this up? Who all is involved,
Speaker 3: and why can't the American people know the facts? And
Speaker 3: at this point, this is why Epstein Justice and our
Speaker 3: website Epstein Justice dot com, We're calling for every American
Speaker 3: to reach out to their member of Congress and say
Speaker 3: to them, we want you to form a congressional commission
Speaker 3: to investigate all of the crimes of Jeffrey Epstein and
Speaker 3: those of his known associates and put that information out
Speaker 3: there to the American people because the American people will
Speaker 3: have a right to know if, for example, that their
Speaker 3: government was compromised by a multi millionaire who had incriminating
Speaker 3: photos and evidence of those of politicians and other people
Speaker 3: in high places in American society. Was he running a
Speaker 3: blackmail operation?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 3: Was he indeed linked to intelligence, as alex Acosta allegedly claimed.
Speaker 3: You know, alex Acosta's on the board of directors at NEWSMAC.
Speaker 3: Apparently he could easily be subpoena, easily be questioned under
Speaker 3: oath about his role in giving Jeffrey Epstein that sweetheart
Speaker 3: deal back in two thousand and seven, in two thousand
Speaker 3: and eight, Why hasn't he been You know, these are questions.
Speaker 3: It's a cover up that's hiding and playing sight, and
Speaker 3: the American people aren't going to be satisfied with there's
Speaker 3: nothing to see here.
Speaker 5: Move along.
Speaker 3: We know there's something to see here. We've seen it
Speaker 3: with our own eyes. We just want to know the
Speaker 3: details and the facts.
Speaker 2: Well, if it is, as you say, a bipartisan, nonpartisan issue,
Speaker 2: and people on both sides of the aisle may be
Speaker 2: involved in Jeffrey Epstein's illicit doings and unforgivable acts of
Speaker 2: running a child's sex trafficking ring. Then how realistic is it?
Speaker 2: Do you think that one or the other is going
Speaker 2: to fall on their sword and allow this information to
Speaker 2: come forward? No, that's question one, pete. The second question
Speaker 2: I have is is it possible? And this is something
Speaker 2: that other people have proposed and that I thought about.
Speaker 2: What if there are many international involvements of leaders around
Speaker 2: the world that we're trying to do business with, who
Speaker 2: deals with and secure intel information from, and these files
Speaker 2: are being used as leverage in the United States FAI, Well,
Speaker 2: what is the overriding kind of issue here with If
Speaker 2: it's going to be ultimately good for America to withhold
Speaker 2: some of this because of those international factors and security reasons,
Speaker 2: then is it worth us being kept in the dark
Speaker 2: on some of this?
Speaker 3: Well, that's a legitimate question. The problem is that it's
Speaker 3: hard to know the answer without seeing the materials, isn't it?
Speaker 3: And so it's real easy for the federal government to
Speaker 3: simply say, hey, sorry, this is a matter of national security.
Speaker 3: Go pounds end, which is typical. Actually, I don't know
Speaker 3: if you've read my biography, but one of the jobs
Speaker 3: I had when I was in the Air Force was.
Speaker 3: I was a liaison officer between the Office of the
Speaker 3: Secretary of the Air Force and United States Senate appropriators.
Speaker 3: So I know how it works when Congress wants information
Speaker 3: from the executive branch and the executive branch is doesn't
Speaker 3: really want to provide that information. And here's how it works.
Speaker 3: The executive branch then tells their liaison to the congressional branch,
Speaker 3: don't tell them about that, And then because you work
Speaker 3: for the executive branch, you don't. And so as a
Speaker 3: practical matter, the executive branch isn't designed to disclose information.
Speaker 3: The executive branch will always say that disclosure of this
Speaker 3: information is going to harm national security. The executive branch
Speaker 3: is not going to release information because from their standpoint,
Speaker 3: any information could be harmful to national security. That's why
Speaker 3: we aren't disclosing it. But the reality is that the
Speaker 3: American people deserve to know whether or not their own
Speaker 3: government has been compromised by potentially an intelligence asset that
Speaker 3: has not ever been documented or acknowledged by the United
Speaker 3: States or or by Macade, if that indeed is who
Speaker 3: he was associated with, if he was associated with any
Speaker 3: intelligence organization, we only have the unverified word of Alex
Speaker 3: Aposta at this point, who said he was protected by intelligence?
Speaker 4: What does that mean?
Speaker 3: Was it true? Did he even say that? There's so
Speaker 3: many unanswered questions, And really what it boils down to
Speaker 3: is are the rights of victims? Is justice for victims?
Speaker 3: Is that the price that we pay for so called
Speaker 3: protecting national secrets? If so, I think that's a price
Speaker 3: that's too high. I think these victims have suffered enough,
Speaker 3: and I think that it is incumbent upon us as
Speaker 3: an American society.
Speaker 1: Hello, Pete, Pete, are you the p.
Speaker 4: That we're willing to pay for national security?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: You went away for just second, but we got the
Speaker 1: gist of it.
Speaker 2: Glaine Maxwell, do you think that she is going to
Speaker 2: be willing to talk and will we find out what
Speaker 2: she says? If she is, does it behoove Jelaine Maxwell?
Speaker 2: Or is she worried about winding up just like Jeffrey
Speaker 2: Hepstein and that's why she hasn't spoken yet?
Speaker 3: Another great question, And I guess my answer to the
Speaker 3: Glayne Maxwell question is simply what we have to gain
Speaker 3: at this point from telling the truth. You know, she's
Speaker 3: looking she's right now in jail for twenty years and
Speaker 3: she's looking for a way out of out of that
Speaker 3: prison cell, and so she has a strong motivation to
Speaker 3: tell Todd Blanche or whatever other Department of Justice attorney
Speaker 3: shows up, exactly what it is that they.
Speaker 4: Want to hear.
Speaker 3: Now, the question is, does Todd Blanche or the rest
Speaker 3: of the department Department of Justice, are they actually interested
Speaker 3: in the facts, because they can very easily get from
Speaker 3: Glainne Maxwell a statement that only Jeffrey Epstein and I
Speaker 3: were involved in this trafficking network that the Department of Justice,
Speaker 3: by its own admission says, I'm molested over a thousand victims,
Speaker 3: just me and jeff Those are the only two people
Speaker 3: they can get her to say that. They can get
Speaker 3: her to say Prince Andrew was involved, Bill Clinton was involved,
Speaker 3: President Trump was not involved. They could get her to
Speaker 3: say that. They could get her to say everybody was involved.
Speaker 3: They can get her to say anything they want because
Speaker 3: they have the power of freedom. They have they have
Speaker 3: the power of freedom and liberty over her. So unfortunately,
Speaker 3: I don't necessarily think that we're going to be able
Speaker 3: to trust anything that Dwayne Maxwell has to say, because
Speaker 3: keep in mind, the only reason that she doesn't already
Speaker 3: have a plea deal is because both she and the
Speaker 3: government agreed.
Speaker 4: First of all, she maintained that she was completely innocent
Speaker 4: of any of these.
Speaker 3: Crimes all throughout her trial, and by the way, the
Speaker 3: government only brought four witnesses against her, so it was
Speaker 3: really a sham. Trell she should be put away for
Speaker 3: the rest of her life instead of twenty years. The
Speaker 3: point is she is put away for twenty years, and
Speaker 3: right now, the only chance she has of a state
Speaker 3: that prison cell any earlier is if President Trump officer
Speaker 3: clemency or a pardon. And so, uh, if it were
Speaker 3: if I were in her shoes, I would say anything
Speaker 3: that any attorney who had the power to make that
Speaker 3: recommendation came to me and asked me to say, so.
Speaker 1: What are you recommending again?
Speaker 2: You want a special legislative committee to subpoena who is
Speaker 2: to subpoena who.
Speaker 3: Well, let's start with alex Acosta, but then let's also
Speaker 3: go ahead and subpoena subpoena the other attorneys that were
Speaker 3: involved in Glene Maxwell's prosecution. Let's uh, let's subpoena William
Speaker 3: Jefferson Clinton. Uh, Let's let's subpoena all of the names
Speaker 3: that we know that.
Speaker 4: Flew with him on his flight logs. Let's find out
Speaker 4: what happened.
Speaker 3: Uh, you know, let's disclose the information that was discovered
Speaker 3: and seized on Jeffrey Epstein's hard drives. I know that
Speaker 3: the that the current contention is that it's all child pornography.
Speaker 3: It cannot be released, and frankly, I don't think the
Speaker 3: American people buy that.
Speaker 4: So I think there's a lot of.
Speaker 3: Information that can be investigated, many people that can be
Speaker 3: questioned that haven't been under oath, and I think that
Speaker 3: the only way that you're going to get a fair
Speaker 3: and impartial investigation is if there is a bipartisan, truly
Speaker 3: bipartisan effort to get to the bottom of this. And
Speaker 3: it's possible that members of Congress have been compromised, but
Speaker 3: I have to hope and believe that there aren't fifty
Speaker 3: one percent of the Members of Congress that have been
Speaker 3: compromised by this sort of honeypop operation, if that's what
Speaker 3: it was. And I believe that still in the United States,
Speaker 3: that we're a representative republic that actually is responsive to
Speaker 3: its citizens. Maybe I'm naive, but we at epsteinsice dot
Speaker 3: com believe that if enough citizens apply pressure to enough lawmakers,
Speaker 3: that at least fifty one percent of them will want
Speaker 3: to see the facts, because we cannot have a society
Speaker 3: that is.
Speaker 4: Run by secret elites who.
Speaker 3: Get to do whatever they want, including scooping your kids
Speaker 3: off the street streets to molest them with impunity.
Speaker 2: Amen on that. I'm totally in lockstep with you there.
Speaker 2: So your call tonight is to the American people, to
Speaker 2: anybody listening, to urge their elected representative, be a congressman
Speaker 2: or a senator, to make this a matter of first priority.
Speaker 2: There are a lot of other There are a lot
Speaker 2: of other irons in the fire. There are a lot
Speaker 2: of other pots on the stove. Why is this the
Speaker 2: most important issue to you?
Speaker 3: That's great question, and the answer is simply this. There
Speaker 3: are indications that Jeffrey Epstein was running an intelligence operation
Speaker 3: designed to collect incriminating information on US politicians and other
Speaker 3: powerful people. We need the facts to prove that that
Speaker 3: was the case, frankly, because right now that seems as
Speaker 3: likely a situation.
Speaker 4: As anything else.
Speaker 3: And if that was the case, then we're not living
Speaker 3: in a free country. Then we're living in a country
Speaker 3: that is secretly run.
Speaker 4: By intelligence services.
Speaker 3: And I don't think any American believes that that's the
Speaker 3: way that the United States ought to be run. And
Speaker 3: if there's even a chance that that's the way that
Speaker 3: we are being run, we need to unmask that, expose it,
Speaker 3: and bring it to the light of day. And if
Speaker 3: that's not the case, and if in fact, this was
Speaker 3: just two sick people who somehow managed to abuse over
Speaker 3: a thousand people without anybody else knowing, Hey, the American
Speaker 3: people need to know that for sure as well. And
Speaker 3: for all these reasons, we're urging every human being in
Speaker 3: the United States, every citizen, to call your member of
Speaker 3: Congress and urge them to investigate this matter thoroughly, fully
Speaker 3: and in a nonpartisan, a nonpartisan fashion.
Speaker 2: I'm becoming more and more aware, as many others are,
Speaker 2: that we have no idea who was actually the executive
Speaker 2: from twenty one to twenty five as president of the
Speaker 2: United States, which I suspected all along, and that means
Speaker 2: that we're not living in a free, constitutional republic either.
Speaker 2: I mean, we're waking up to a lot. And this
Speaker 2: is the latest clarion call. I appreciate your time tonight
Speaker 2: and Epstein Justice dot Com that is correct. All right,
Speaker 2: fantastic Peachin. Thank you so much great information, and I
Speaker 2: don't know you may have turned.
Speaker 3: Me well, Hey, I am. I'm delighted to be with
Speaker 3: you this evening. Thanks so much for having me, and
Speaker 3: I'm happy to discuss any updates anytime.
Speaker 1: All right, I will keep that in mind.
Speaker 2: It's the night Cap and it continues on seven hundred WLW,
Speaker 2: especially well Sunday night cat A seven hundred WLW.
Speaker 1: Glad to welcome.
Speaker 2: Back our friend Steve Gorm, Executive director of the Client
Speaker 2: Science Coalition of America, author of the Mad Mad Mad
Speaker 2: World of Climatism, Outside the Green Box, Green Breakdown, the
Speaker 2: most recent becoming Renewable Energy Failure, and all kinds of
Speaker 2: stuff this past week in the news that we need
Speaker 2: to cover, Steve. So let's get right on to it
Speaker 2: if you don't mind. Good evening, How are you.
Speaker 5: Hi, Gary, Jeff doing great? Great to join you again.
Speaker 2: First and foremost, the new director of the EPA, Lee Zelden,
Speaker 2: said that he was ending last week said that he
Speaker 2: was ending the What was it that lee Zelden is
Speaker 2: putting a stop to that has been a hindrance to
Speaker 2: us pursuing the energy that.
Speaker 5: We need and endangerment finding. Okay, back on December seventh,
Speaker 5: two thousand and nine, a date that will live.
Speaker 1: An in.
Speaker 5: Like Pearl Harbor, the EPA rule that greenhouse gases were
Speaker 5: endangering the health and welfare of US citizens. And that
Speaker 5: was after the EPA was sued by a number of
Speaker 5: states and the Supreme courtinated ruling that they had to
Speaker 5: make a ruling, and the endangerment finding and led to
Speaker 5: everybody calling carbon dioxide a pollutant and has been the
Speaker 5: basis for much of the climate regulation over the last
Speaker 5: two decades or so decade and a half. But mister
Speaker 5: Zelton says he's going to roll that back now, great,
Speaker 5: really a big change.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you and I have talked about this so
Speaker 2: many times. CO two is a necessary component of our biosphere,
Speaker 2: in our atmosphere. It is not a pollutant per se.
Speaker 2: It's not harmful to humans and wildlife in the form
Speaker 2: that we have it now in our atmosphere. And we're
Speaker 2: certainly at no dangerous tipping point when it comes to
Speaker 2: the amount of CO two that is in that atmosphere.
Speaker 2: And that's all correct, and it's backed up by solid
Speaker 2: scientific data, right.
Speaker 5: Steve, Yeah, it's very very small. It's if you picture
Speaker 5: a big basketball arena with ten thousand fans, only four
Speaker 5: and every ten thousand molecules in the atmosphere are carbon dioxide.
Speaker 5: The amount that human industry could have added in all
Speaker 5: of our history is a fraction of one of those
Speaker 5: ten thousand molecules. Very very small. It's not Earth's biggest
Speaker 5: greenhouse gas, which is water vapor. It is one of
Speaker 5: the three substances in the world that are essential for life,
Speaker 5: the other two being water and oxygen. Water oxygen carbon
Speaker 5: dioxide are essential and we each breathe out about two
Speaker 5: pounds of carbonoxide every single day and it makes the
Speaker 5: plants grow. So it's you know, we're living in a
Speaker 5: world here driven by the fear man made warming, driven
Speaker 5: by climatism, And mister Zelton is introducing some common sense
Speaker 5: back into regulation. And I think the EPA wants to
Speaker 5: regulate real pollutants that can cause harm, but CO two
Speaker 5: is not one of those.
Speaker 2: I read once and tell me if you can corroborate
Speaker 2: this that the Mount Pinatubo explosion volcanic explosion in the
Speaker 2: Philippines in the early nineties released more particulate into the air,
Speaker 2: including CO two than had ever been released in the
Speaker 2: history of humankind on this planet. Is that along the
Speaker 2: lines of being correct a correct statement.
Speaker 5: Well, I'm not sure that is. I think it did.
Speaker 5: It was enough to cause some local changes. I think
Speaker 5: it the other things that the volcano put out caused
Speaker 5: some local cooling. And we have said had some volcano
Speaker 5: volcanic eruptions in the past. There was something in the
Speaker 5: I'm trying to remember. I think it was a volcano
Speaker 5: in Indonesia in the sixteen or seventeen hundreds that actually
Speaker 5: caused the world to cool over the next summer. It
Speaker 5: put out so much ash into the atmosphere and they
Speaker 5: called it the year without a summer. I think in
Speaker 5: Europe they had very poor growing seasons and cold weather
Speaker 5: and all that. So volcanoes. But I think you're getting
Speaker 5: at an important point, and that is that natural factors
Speaker 5: dominates rather than man made. Yeah, more than about more
Speaker 5: than seventy seventy ninety percent of the greenhouse effect itself,
Speaker 5: which is blamed for dangerous warming, is caused by water,
Speaker 5: vapor and clouds, and then of the carbon dioxide that
Speaker 5: goes into the atmosphere every day twenty times as much
Speaker 5: goes in from nature like volcanoes and the oceans, as
Speaker 5: all of our industries. It's a twenty to one factory factor.
Speaker 5: So what we're doing is very, very small. But you
Speaker 5: never hear about that in the press. And you know,
Speaker 5: we have all these states with all these crazy laws.
Speaker 5: But mister Zelton is marching us in a more correct direction.
Speaker 1: Excellent.
Speaker 2: I think it's a I've always thought that it takes
Speaker 2: a great amount of human hubris to think that we're
Speaker 2: going to dominate the climate in our atmosphere on a
Speaker 2: sphere that has been spinning here in space for whatever
Speaker 2: four billion years, and has gone through so many different
Speaker 2: cycles of temperature and climate in that time without man
Speaker 2: to think that we can have an effect, an adverse effect,
Speaker 2: a great adverse to a climactic effect one way or
Speaker 2: the other, like we can control the weather, or we
Speaker 2: can affect the Earth's temperature on a regular base is
Speaker 2: for thousands of years. It's simply we're not that we're
Speaker 2: not that strong, are we as a race of beings
Speaker 2: on this planet that we can.
Speaker 5: Well, you're right, the Earth has been shaped by cycles
Speaker 5: for all of our history, long term cycles that have
Speaker 5: caused the ice ages, and those are effects of the
Speaker 5: planets and the Earth's axis. And then there's medium term
Speaker 5: cycles about a thousand year sort of cycles that are
Speaker 5: caused probably by changes in the sun. Then we have
Speaker 5: short term cycles like the Alnino Southern oscillation and the
Speaker 5: Pacific decatal oscillation, the Atlantic multi decatal oscillation. These are
Speaker 5: all temperature cycles that are natural caused by nature. And
Speaker 5: then we add a little bit of what humans are doing.
Speaker 5: I mean, the theory is plausible that we could be
Speaker 5: causing changes, but when you really look at it in depth,
Speaker 5: it's very, very small. And the bottom line is we
Speaker 5: if we globally eliminate all industrial emissions, we might not
Speaker 5: even be able to see a change in temperature. The
Speaker 5: differences that might be too small to measure.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Also, this past week, President Trump was in Scotland announcing
Speaker 2: some big things, including the EU Economic Trade Deal and
Speaker 2: deals with the UK and the like, and while he
Speaker 2: was there, he took time to point out the stupidity,
Speaker 2: the ugliness, and the echoed dangerer posed by windmills. He
Speaker 2: called wind turbines the worst form of energy, the most
Speaker 2: expensive form of energy, and said that windmills should not
Speaker 2: be allowed.
Speaker 1: What about his comments Steve.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's well, you know, he's got golf courses up
Speaker 5: there in Scotland, and I think now when he looks
Speaker 5: out from his golf courses, he sees his wind turbines
Speaker 5: up on the mountains and in the ocean, and he
Speaker 5: really doesn't like him. He's always been very unhappy with them,
Speaker 5: a big opponent. Some of the things he says are true,
Speaker 5: certainly the idea that is the most expensive form of energy.
Speaker 5: There's a lot of people saying that when that wind
Speaker 5: turbines and solar provide cheaper, that renewables are cheaper, but
Speaker 5: that's not really the case when you look at the data.
Speaker 5: By the way Scotland has cut down the estimates are
Speaker 5: fourteen million trees since the year two thousand to put
Speaker 5: up wind turbine farms. These are not small changes that
Speaker 5: they've gone in.
Speaker 1: People want to talk about an environmental disaster.
Speaker 5: Steve, yeah, right, not not very green. But so if
Speaker 5: you look at if you look at the nations that
Speaker 5: have put in the most wind and solar, and particularly
Speaker 5: Denmark and Germany in Europe, lo and behold, you find
Speaker 5: that they have the highest electricity prices. How can that
Speaker 5: be the nations for the most wind turbines have the
Speaker 5: highest prices, you know, and we see that over and
Speaker 5: over again. It's it's you when you count the effects
Speaker 5: of having to build all kinds of transmission to out
Speaker 5: to remote ridges and out in the wilderness to put
Speaker 5: these up. That's expensive, and then accounting for intermittency is expensive. Also,
Speaker 5: if you look in the US, I have a chart
Speaker 5: that it puts up sometimes that shows the price increases
Speaker 5: for the top twelve wind states over the last of
Speaker 5: fifteen years or so now and these electricity price increases
Speaker 5: and national electricity average is up about thirty three percent
Speaker 5: in the last sixteen years. But for seven of the
Speaker 5: twelve wind states, their prices have gone up faster during
Speaker 5: that period. And the biggest one, of course is Green
Speaker 5: California now up one hundred and sixteen percent since two
Speaker 5: thousand and eight. So again it's another example of you know,
Speaker 5: if wind were cheaper, why wouldn't the big wind states
Speaker 5: have the lowest electricity prices, But you don't see that.
Speaker 5: By and large.
Speaker 2: Matson, which is a major shipping company, has said recently
Speaker 2: they will no longer ship evs. Any comments on Matsin's decision,
Speaker 2: and how is that go affect the electric vehicle market
Speaker 2: worldwide if they're not bringing them from their source to
Speaker 2: consumers that may want an EV.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I think this was in reaction to the recent
Speaker 5: vessel named Morning Mitas which thank on June third, off
Speaker 5: to the off the coast of Alaska, a fire started
Speaker 5: on it. There was no way to put it out.
Speaker 5: It had three thousand vehicles on it and about a
Speaker 5: third of those were either hybrids or electric vehicles, and
Speaker 5: when those things start to burn, you just can't put
Speaker 5: them out. They rescued all the crew, but but boy,
Speaker 5: I'd hate to be trying to ensure these these ships
Speaker 5: that are carrying electric vehicles overseas. And that's what that's
Speaker 5: what Mattson is reacting to. They say they're no longer
Speaker 5: going to ship electric vehicles across the seas because it
Speaker 5: just it's just too expensive. They can't they probably can't
Speaker 5: get insurance. And when these lithium batteries go up, they
Speaker 5: just burn and the you can't put them out with
Speaker 5: and then to go car to car to car. So yeah,
Speaker 5: kind of a big change, and the economics of the
Speaker 5: EV industry are kind of impacting a lot of people
Speaker 5: in many places.
Speaker 2: In your recent article, Steve, you pointed out that AI,
Speaker 2: the artificial intelligence revolution, is now driving electrical power in
Speaker 2: the United States, and that's all we're hearing is the
Speaker 2: demand for AI.
Speaker 1: Requires so much electricity.
Speaker 2: I mean, you think that the electric prices have gone
Speaker 2: up over the past sixteen years, and you were just
Speaker 2: referencing that California up one hundred and sixteen percent, nationwide
Speaker 2: thirty three percent.
Speaker 1: The demand is driving.
Speaker 2: All of this new energy production that the President has
Speaker 2: called for, and we're going to need it with AI.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we're really an amazing time right now. This is
Speaker 5: the biggest thing since the Internet revolution. And just a
Speaker 5: little bit of history. A company called chad GPT came
Speaker 5: out with a what they call the Conversational AI chat
Speaker 5: bots in November of twenty twenty two, and they showed
Speaker 5: that machines could learn the complexities of human language and
Speaker 5: interaction using artificial intelligence. And within five days after they
Speaker 5: put this chatbot out, they had one hundred they had
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, they had a million users across the world.
Speaker 5: And so now we have all these big companies that
Speaker 5: are building these data centers or upgrading data centers to
Speaker 5: do a generational artificial intelligence to create text and images
Speaker 5: and music and videos. There's a website called USA Data
Speaker 5: Centers that I've been watching for a while. Back at
Speaker 5: the start of twenty twenty four, there were less than
Speaker 5: twenty seven hundred data centers in the US, and now
Speaker 5: there are about thirty nine hundred, so we've had a
Speaker 5: forty percent increase in data centers in eighteen months. And
Speaker 5: these are these are big things. For example, there's one
Speaker 5: going in in Ohio, and a company called edge Connex
Speaker 5: is building two data centers in New Albany, right to
Speaker 5: be completed by the fall of twenty twenty seven. They're
Speaker 5: using existing warehouse space and new construction. These are they're
Speaker 5: going to total one point two million square feet, which
Speaker 5: actually isn't real big for a data center, but these
Speaker 5: are big. They're they're cover an area larger than twenty
Speaker 5: football fields. And what they're going to do to power
Speaker 5: these is they're not going to use wind or solar.
Speaker 5: They're going to do on site natural gas. They're going
Speaker 5: to put in their own natural gas plants to power
Speaker 5: these data centers. And this is what we see is
Speaker 5: going on across the country.
Speaker 2: Right and you're going to see that. And you know what,
Speaker 2: it makes sense. If this is the wave of the future,
Speaker 2: and it appears to be so, then the people who
Speaker 2: are going to be profiting from that should be the
Speaker 2: ones of finding ways.
Speaker 1: To power it.
Speaker 2: And I just have a big problem with any state
Speaker 2: or public service commission in Ohio or Kentucky charging me
Speaker 2: more on my electric bill because of AI and these
Speaker 2: data centers that are being built.
Speaker 1: It's simply not right.
Speaker 2: And I know that there were fights going on in
Speaker 2: states with PSC's all over the place to try and
Speaker 2: protect the everyday consumer. Now, yes, may I benefit from
Speaker 2: AI possibly and probably will down the road, but should
Speaker 2: I have to be paying for it when this is
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, let me give me give you some more examples.
Speaker 5: So you know that Elon Musk's Tesla is a provide.
Speaker 5: There are solar systems and grid scale batteries, but they
Speaker 5: just built a thing they called their Colossus, a Colossus
Speaker 5: XAI supercomputer near Memphis, Tennessee, and they didn't use solar
Speaker 5: or wind or batteries. They got thirty six wind turbines,
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, thirty six gas turbans, I should say. So
Speaker 5: they put up their own gas facilities. They did this
Speaker 5: in less than six months. Two hundred thousand graphics processing units,
Speaker 5: which are the high speed processors that power AI. We had.
Speaker 5: We just had a meeting a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 5: They had a energy innovation summit in Pennsylvania. President Trump
Speaker 5: went there and Pennsylvania. At the conference, they announced plans
Speaker 5: for ninety billion dollars in data centers, just huge, huge amounts.
Speaker 5: Another example, Meta, a Facebook Meta is claiming to build
Speaker 5: the largest data center in the Western Hemisphere down in
Speaker 5: northeast Louisiana. And when this is completed in twenty thirty,
Speaker 5: they expect this installation, this data center is going to
Speaker 5: use twice as much electricity as the city of New
Speaker 5: Orleans and the Yeah, it's just astonishing what's going on.
Speaker 5: And so the Energy Louisiana, which is a electricity company,
Speaker 5: is building three large gas fired power plants right on
Speaker 5: the site at the cost of three billion dollars to
Speaker 5: power this this metadata center. So this is what's going on.
Speaker 5: It's just an astonishing situation right now. It is driving
Speaker 5: us power. And okay, so here's one morning. Now, a
Speaker 5: lot of people want these things to be built with
Speaker 5: renewable energy. But I'll give you another example. So, Texas
Speaker 5: is the largest wind state in the country. There are
Speaker 5: fifteen thousand winter in Texas, but Texas is now building
Speaker 5: more than one hundred gas fired plants are now planned
Speaker 5: for Texas. One hundred and eight new plants, seventeen expansions.
Speaker 5: They're going to provide fifty eight gigawatts of electrical power.
Speaker 5: And when these are done, they're going to provide three
Speaker 5: times as much electricity as all of the wind systems
Speaker 5: in Texas.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 5: So so I mean these and this is just an
Speaker 5: astonishing thing going on here. I do think there'll be
Speaker 5: impact on electricity rates, but a lot of these places,
Speaker 5: if they build their own and they put them on
Speaker 5: site and they just took them to the grid, it
Speaker 5: may not affect the local power too badly.
Speaker 2: Well, it's going to happen, all right, Steve Gorham. Where
Speaker 2: can people get your books real quick?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: I think on my website Steve Gorum G O R
Speaker 5: E H A M dot com and I'll send them
Speaker 5: a signed copy. They're also on Amazon of course their
Speaker 5: ebooks as well. And by the way, my latest one
Speaker 5: Green break Down has all kinds of great color side bars.
Speaker 5: Here's one. These are real articles and the title of
Speaker 5: the article was this one hundred and ten dollars t
Speaker 5: shirt sucks carbon dioxide from the atmosphere. So there are
Speaker 5: all kinds of crazy things about climate and energy that
Speaker 5: people can enjoy while they learn the real story.
Speaker 2: All right, fantastic, thanks for giving us the real story
Speaker 2: once again. Steve Gorum from the Climate Science Coalition of
Speaker 2: America on this nightcap, so sight unseen. We'd never met before,
Speaker 2: and he tells me that he knows my little brother, Johnny,
Speaker 2: who's been in food service and in bars his entire life,
Speaker 2: and he knew him very well. And the common connection
Speaker 2: was when he said smyrna and I said chappies, he said,
Speaker 2: that's my bar. And now he's back in studio with
Speaker 2: us tonight on this special Sunday night nightcap.
Speaker 6: Good great, Everyboddy, thank you so much having me back
Speaker 6: so good. And it's such a sweet story. Man, what
Speaker 6: a great family you guys have. And I agree. I'm
Speaker 6: praying for your dad, I know, thank you, and been
Speaker 6: in and out of hospital and I just wanted to
Speaker 6: make sure that I'm just saying prayers for him and
Speaker 6: your brother is such a good guy. He's such a
Speaker 6: great pool player. By the way, I like they really
Speaker 6: shoot him lights out. You do an impression of my
Speaker 6: brother John? Would you do an impression of John for me?
Speaker 1: Hey, today's special.
Speaker 7: I have a little os you saw its left him
Speaker 7: from the weekend from the bike right, I have some
Speaker 7: peace cobbe for DESRT. So if anybody wants to you listening,
Speaker 7: do not know my brother John, But that is dead on.
Speaker 7: It's great. One of the many.
Speaker 1: He's a gem.
Speaker 2: One of the many talents that Greg has is doing impressions.
Speaker 2: We may get to a few of those before the
Speaker 2: hour of the evening is through. But I wanted to
Speaker 2: ask you Greg. You we're born and lived the first
Speaker 2: part of your life in Kansas City, Missouri, and then
Speaker 2: your family movie.
Speaker 6: K Let's get straight, all right? Cash Kansas City, Kansas
Speaker 6: and I'm Kansas Boy rock Chalk Jayhawk all right. So
Speaker 6: a fan of the Royals, a fan of the Chiefs
Speaker 6: like me. But then your family moved here.
Speaker 1: My dad got transferred, yep to Cincinnati.
Speaker 6: There were a couple of choices in his life to
Speaker 6: transfer to Dallas or core Gables, Florida.
Speaker 1: He was the AT and T guy and mal Bell guy.
Speaker 6: Okay, you know when the all split happened with you know,
Speaker 6: Western Electric and the whole thing, and and Dad hung
Speaker 6: in there. I wanted to keep us in the Midwest
Speaker 6: and not give us too much of a culture shot
Speaker 6: to go to Parsippany, New Jersey, where At and T
Speaker 6: headquarters were, or knows, you don't want any part of
Speaker 6: that Coral Gables, Florida, where you know, we would have
Speaker 6: been a Midwestern family and a rich, rich town.
Speaker 2: But we made the right decision. We came to Cincinnati,
Speaker 2: and they moved. They bought a house in Milford. That's right,
Speaker 2: Is that right?
Speaker 6: And Shirredead and you know our neighborhood, Tanglewood. Still their
Speaker 6: house looks great, and the whole neighborhood looks great. That
Speaker 6: was the neighborhood. And that was like the pread of
Speaker 6: homes back then, you know in eighty six Home Rama, Omarama,
Speaker 6: that's it Orama. In fact, parts of rain Man were
Speaker 6: filmed in the back of my neighborhood and all of
Speaker 6: us kids on down there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you went to Milford High School, you played
Speaker 2: football there. Tell me about a little bit about your
Speaker 2: football career.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 6: I played with a great group of kids. These guys
Speaker 6: were tough, big and tough. We got moved to UH
Speaker 6: the GMC and our sophomore year and we had giants
Speaker 6: on our team and we our goal was to win
Speaker 6: the GMC. We had to play very powerful teams like
Speaker 6: Princeton and Middletown and in Hambleton and Liman, you know
Speaker 6: what I mean, in Lakota all the big boys, the
Speaker 6: big boys. So yeah, it was playing division on football
Speaker 6: was a competition that I saw some of the guys today. Actually,
Speaker 6: when I was in Milford, they're they're doing there, not
Speaker 6: two a days yet, but they're doing traditioning. And I
Speaker 6: saw some football players and I gave him a quick little.
Speaker 1: What kind of player were you? You were guard? You
Speaker 1: know what I was guard. I was slow as the
Speaker 1: last day of the school. I couldn't run.
Speaker 6: I had a piano in my back. But they put
Speaker 6: me at guard and I was meaner and snake, So
Speaker 6: you know that was it. But man, we had a
Speaker 6: lot of great talent on our team. Man Ken Spilman,
Speaker 6: he went on to college, Curry Tator went on college.
Speaker 2: We had we had some great players. Yeah, yeah, so
Speaker 2: you got fond memories of that time, fond memories. These
Speaker 2: guys are still friends today.
Speaker 6: Are We have a close group of friends in Milford
Speaker 6: because of the fact that we're just connected. We unfortunately,
Speaker 6: we have this thing of losing friends over time, and
Speaker 6: we lost some very close people you know, along the
Speaker 6: way growing up, and that was hard and I think
Speaker 6: that's what success together.
Speaker 1: So I'm very much a part of Milford. So what
Speaker 1: brought you back here other than your ties to you know,
Speaker 1: the tri State.
Speaker 6: It's just this. This is a very special city. It's
Speaker 6: a it's a special town. It's close enough to Nashville
Speaker 6: for me to get away and come up here and
Speaker 6: hang out with all my friends and the people the
Speaker 6: Rooster where I started playing music.
Speaker 2: You know, this is where you played music all over
Speaker 2: Cincinnati in bands. And Bobby Mackie was the first guy.
Speaker 2: Bobby's still around, man, he moved recently, but Bobby was
Speaker 2: the first guy to get me on stage.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 6: I h I would come down here, I mean, and
Speaker 6: I'd get a couple of friends. We weren't even quite
Speaker 6: enough to get into Bobby Mackie's, but he would make
Speaker 6: me wait till about you know, one thirty, you know,
Speaker 6: to get on stage. And I get up there and sing,
Speaker 6: don't rock the juke box and he let me do
Speaker 6: a couple of songs, and that's great. But I had
Speaker 6: a mustache. Yeah, so it looked like I was. So
Speaker 6: you could fool him a little bit. Yeah, but you
Speaker 6: you did.
Speaker 2: You did play though a lot of other places around
Speaker 2: places around town, and any of them still exist. That's
Speaker 2: well questioned. Yeah, you know, because and venues come and go.
Speaker 1: They change, They change all the time, they do.
Speaker 6: You know, once I had management, it was Casino Astar,
Speaker 6: it was you know, Rising Sun in Indiana. We were
Speaker 6: playing casinos at that point and various clubs. But there
Speaker 6: was a place, you know, downtown that it's no longer there.
Speaker 6: It was Hurricanes and then it became you know, something else,
Speaker 6: and you know that's how it goes when you play around.
Speaker 2: Sure, so how did you get out of Cincinnati and
Speaker 2: to Nashville?
Speaker 6: It was time to go, man, I was. I went
Speaker 6: my freshman year to Northern Kentuck University. I took music
Speaker 6: theory there. I learned the circle of fifths. I learned
Speaker 6: a little bit about music, and I learned that, you know,
Speaker 6: I needed to really rush up before I go to Nashville,
Speaker 6: and I remember my dad saying like, hey, if you
Speaker 6: stay here and just stay in town for a while,
Speaker 6: you know, just get your degree here and then go.
Speaker 1: Back and forth to Nashville. I was like, no, I
Speaker 1: got to go to Belmont. I got to go to town.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's like the premiere music business college in the
Speaker 2: United State.
Speaker 1: It was. I narrawed it down to there. And then
Speaker 1: there was Burke Lee in Boston.
Speaker 6: Which I was like, I love Boston, like since as
Speaker 6: an adult, I've been there several times.
Speaker 1: But I wasn't ready for Boston, you know, and those
Speaker 1: guys are different different. I'm not a CCM kid either.
Speaker 1: Let's just get it straight, right, I'm all right.
Speaker 2: So you went to Belmont and took a class in
Speaker 2: music business, took several classes.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I was, you know, I went to school there,
Speaker 6: met everybody that I'm working with today. You know, Matt Nolan,
Speaker 6: great producer, Rick Huckabee's had several cuts with Tracy.
Speaker 1: Lawrence, you know, Thomas Rhett. Oh, yeah, you know.
Speaker 6: I'm really good friends with Michael White. Michael White wrote
Speaker 6: the Baby number one song, you know, and he you know,
Speaker 6: I just that's what we talked about last time, you know,
Speaker 6: when I was on your show last you know, getting
Speaker 6: in town, breaking bread with these people, really getting in
Speaker 6: the rooms and really get a normal job, get among them.
Speaker 1: You know, That's that's the challenge.
Speaker 2: Now, how many potentially incredible hit songwriters have had so
Speaker 2: many other professions to tide them over while they were
Speaker 2: waiting for that big opportunity, that big break. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's almost everybody, isn't it.
Speaker 6: Let's think about it. I mean, you know, just a
Speaker 6: quick analogy. I mean, if you played with the sixty
Speaker 6: one Yankees and unless you were Mantle or Maris, you
Speaker 6: had another job. You know, you had to work on
Speaker 6: the farm or a factor or something. Right, you were lucky,
Speaker 6: if you're lucky to have to make enough money to
Speaker 6: last throughout the year. So you can kind of tie
Speaker 6: that into what there's a star and who isn't. But
Speaker 6: there's just so much saturation. It's just like it hit
Speaker 6: by lighting or a bit by an alligator.
Speaker 2: Now, the song we opened with the Overpass, which is
Speaker 2: on one of Ward Davis's albums. In the album, Ward
Speaker 2: Davis's one of your buddies, and you've co written songs
Speaker 2: with him, and you've been on the road with him,
Speaker 2: and uh, one of my and Cody Jinks. You've got
Speaker 2: some songs that you've written that are on Cody Jinks.
Speaker 2: What songs would people look for that have Greg Jones'
Speaker 2: name and the credits?
Speaker 6: Well, Cody Jinks has had a phenomenal career recently, so
Speaker 6: it was Ward and those guys have just man have
Speaker 6: given me so much confidence and let me write with them.
Speaker 6: And the biggest song that we have the same kind
Speaker 6: of crazy as Me that you played last time on
Speaker 6: your show. There's another song called Hurt You that Cody
Speaker 6: was opening for Luke Combs and played the Horseshoe Man,
Speaker 6: the Columbus Man. There's you know, eighty thousand people singing
Speaker 6: my song hurt You back to him, and you know.
Speaker 1: That's just pretty cool.
Speaker 6: Were you there? Well, no, I wasn't. Unfortunately I was
Speaker 6: not able to be there. But those are the kind
Speaker 6: of things that you know. He just played Redrox this
Speaker 6: weekend for his new album, Like, these guys are these
Speaker 6: guys are friends, but it's just a it's a pleasure
Speaker 6: to see.
Speaker 1: Did you ever aspire to be them? Oh?
Speaker 2: We instead of a guy behind the scenes or a
Speaker 2: songwriter or you.
Speaker 6: Know, it man, I you know, come on, man, you
Speaker 6: know we you know absolutely, and it's not too late.
Speaker 1: Man, I'm not too old. No, no, you're getting there.
Speaker 1: You're getting there.
Speaker 2: But do you think about people like Jamie Johnson who
Speaker 2: had such rural just you know.
Speaker 6: Amy Johnson made me wanted to start writing songs again.
Speaker 6: I'll have to tell you that because of all the
Speaker 6: guys I've written with, and Cody will tell you, like
Speaker 6: Cody's on shows with With with Jamie and and Ward
Speaker 6: lost Jamie. He brought Ward home one time.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 6: Just you know, there's stories I could tell, like I'm
Speaker 6: not going to say too much.
Speaker 1: But they're funny stories that tie all these guys together.
Speaker 1: These guys have all been friends.
Speaker 6: They're all cool guys, man, they're all great songwriters.
Speaker 1: And you know Jamie, Jamie is doing great things.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: I just saw him. I just saw him putt a
Speaker 1: great putt the other day. I don't know if you
Speaker 1: saw it on his Facebook page. No, he just put
Speaker 1: it one.
Speaker 6: And he and John Dayly are good friends and just puts.
Speaker 1: That's a recipe for a disaster.
Speaker 6: He showed up John Daily tip, well, these guys are
Speaker 6: sober now, not John, but I don't know John anything.
Speaker 6: I know Jamie is, Jammy is so sober, War is sober?
Speaker 1: Okay, I am not. Took him a while to learn. Well.
Speaker 6: They showed a putt the other day, sinks. It shows
Speaker 6: the John Daily method of it.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: Pretty cool, That's awesome.
Speaker 2: Uh I tell you what you've You've told me some
Speaker 2: stories about being on tour, being an opener with the
Speaker 2: band you were with, whether it was Ward Davis or
Speaker 2: somebody else. And and you've done a lot of other
Speaker 2: things in the business to stay connected. You've driven a
Speaker 2: bus with these people, You've and you do whatever you can.
Speaker 2: Carrie sold Merch. I really enjoyed selling March. You know
Speaker 2: why because I met all the fans I met, you know,
Speaker 2: over six years of turn reward and en coding those guys, I.
Speaker 1: Met all the fans. You know.
Speaker 6: Park Is another guy that opened with us, was in
Speaker 6: our Man. These guys have ranch off and done great things.
Speaker 2: So whenever you go to a concert and you see
Speaker 2: a guy in the booth selling the shirts and the swag,
Speaker 2: you don't know what else their involvement might be. They're
Speaker 2: there just to be part of the show and to
Speaker 2: keep connected. So many so many times if you go
Speaker 2: to a rock concert, you go to a river bend,
Speaker 2: or you goes and you see somebody in the booth
Speaker 2: who's selling merch. That person may be the next great
Speaker 2: songwriter or the next great thing.
Speaker 6: Right, absolutely, absolutely, the best is handbo can give you
Speaker 6: for the has we talked about Garth Brooks last time
Speaker 6: with Yeah, I wanted to get to the Garth story.
Speaker 6: Martina McBride best example you can ever give for that.
Speaker 6: She did all of his merch. John McBride, her husband,
Speaker 6: ran all of us.
Speaker 1: So I understand still does this.
Speaker 2: So they're in the background, they're in the periphery, they're
Speaker 2: not up front on stage.
Speaker 6: From the beginning the early days, Oklahoma, Kansas. She's a
Speaker 6: Kansas girl. Her brother plays acoustic for her. So John
Speaker 6: McBride's of course sound guy does it all.
Speaker 1: So that's the connection.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I saw a special where they showed Martina McBride's home
Speaker 2: studio that her husband John had put together and it
Speaker 2: was just a massive, unbelievable setup at their home and
Speaker 2: he was the architect of it all.
Speaker 1: He's pretty amazing guy. He is the guy I just
Speaker 1: saw him actually on family Feud.
Speaker 6: The McBride's they played the labels.
Speaker 2: You go from being a sound guy to being on
Speaker 2: family feud.
Speaker 1: They had their three beautiful daughters on the other McBride's.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an amazing thing how all of these things
Speaker 2: intersect and how they can lead to something else. Yes,
Speaker 2: when we come back, more on your meeting with Garth Brooks,
Speaker 2: and also if we can get you to do it,
Speaker 2: he doesn't an incredible impression of the Senator from Louisiana,
Speaker 2: John Kennedy. You may have seen primarily on Fox News
Speaker 2: Channel because I think CNN or MSNBC are afraid to
Speaker 2: put him on, but he is the king of quips
Speaker 2: and quotes and down home colloquialisms and boiling down the
Speaker 2: insanity of our political world into common sense, everyday stuff
Speaker 2: that you and I can understand. And Greg Jones will
Speaker 2: attempt some John Kennedy when we get back. And also
Speaker 2: more on the music industry where it's going, where it
Speaker 2: is now, and where it's been. Because I'm a fan
Speaker 2: of the old school country and the storytelling country, which
Speaker 2: more and more is not selling the records, it's not
Speaker 2: getting the kind of attention it deserves. And the songwriters
Speaker 2: that I grew up with in the seventies and eighties,
Speaker 2: probably would have a hard time breaking in to today's
Speaker 2: music industry and some of the reasons why. As we
Speaker 2: continue with Greg Jones tonight on a special Sunday Night
Speaker 2: nightcap here on seven hundred WLW, my biggest claim to
Speaker 2: fame that way was probably opening up Starwood Amphitheater back
Speaker 2: in Nashville, which does not exist. You talk about venues
Speaker 2: that don't exist anymore, and we uh the Y one
Speaker 2: O seven, the radio station band, the radio station I
Speaker 2: was at back in nineteen eighty nine, opened for the
Speaker 2: Beach Boys and the Everly Brothers in front of seventeen
Speaker 2: thousand people who paid to be there. They didn't pay
Speaker 2: to see us, but we got to open up. The
Speaker 2: show did like a four songs set in. There was
Speaker 2: nothing that can compare to that experience as a live
Speaker 2: performer for me. So I I get just a little
Speaker 2: taste of that mega megastardom.
Speaker 1: Kind of thing in front of people. It's it's something else.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you got.
Speaker 6: I wish I would have been there at that show
Speaker 6: for sure. You're doing with the Beast Boys, man, come on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Phil and Don everly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we had we had our own little uh had
Speaker 2: our own little backstage uh warm up area, and we
Speaker 2: put together a fake concert writer. And it was at
Speaker 2: the time that Van Halen was on tour, and supposedly
Speaker 2: their fake concert writer included no, no brown eminems can
Speaker 2: be in the in their uh yes, in in their
Speaker 2: their makeup room. And so we requested all brown Eminem's
Speaker 2: and Cumberland River Water. We we all and they had
Speaker 2: it all back there for us. We didn't get paid,
Speaker 2: of course. Now that's the other thing. Many times when
Speaker 2: you're the opening act, you don't really get paid.
Speaker 6: Was singing about that day, Dude, I miss the big
Speaker 6: leads man hitting white baseballs, you know what I mean,
Speaker 6: Like you're in you've got caterie, I mean caterie, oh breakfast, lunch,
Speaker 6: dinner after show, when wheels are up head not.
Speaker 1: Cody was so generous, man, he's just the best. You know.
Speaker 6: We did one tour with Clint Black as well as
Speaker 6: on the tour on the bill. Yeah, and we all
Speaker 6: just just great, great gentlemen, great families everybody.
Speaker 1: So they let you in.
Speaker 2: Tell me about tell me about the time you met
Speaker 2: Garth Brooks Man.
Speaker 1: It was a couple of times. There was a you know,
Speaker 1: once when I was.
Speaker 6: In college at Belmont interning at Liberty Records, which is
Speaker 6: Capitol Records. He would command and just shut the place
Speaker 6: down and Hey, give us a bunch of pizzas and
Speaker 6: we're sending out. I remember sitting out the American Home
Speaker 6: Tonk Bar Association cards to all the DJs.
Speaker 1: You may have one. I don't know if you know.
Speaker 6: I never get sent them all over the country, all
Speaker 6: over the world, you know he left. Yeah, when that
Speaker 6: ninety three that was that was the air.
Speaker 1: It certainly was. That was one of the first times,
Speaker 1: and you know, like it was.
Speaker 2: That was my limited exposure to country radio. I was
Speaker 2: on ninety eight ws i X, which was the hot
Speaker 2: the big hancho in Nashville at the time as far
Speaker 2: as radio stations, and that's when all the Garth Brooks
Speaker 2: stuff was exploding. That was the year that Conway Twitty died.
Speaker 2: I was on the air the Sunday morning that Conway
Speaker 2: Twitty died. And you believe how much Conway Twitty I
Speaker 2: played that more.
Speaker 6: Look, this is all this is all circling together. Michael
Speaker 6: White's dad, who I told you about, was my friend
Speaker 6: and has had you know, two or three number ones
Speaker 6: on his own, but his dad wrote.
Speaker 1: Several Conway number ones.
Speaker 6: And we grew up in Harrisonville where you did Yeah
Speaker 6: White and uh and boy, he can tell you about
Speaker 6: that time for sure.
Speaker 2: So Garth, uh the second the second time you met him? Well,
Speaker 2: you know, Garth, you're on the road right.
Speaker 6: No, no, no, the second time I met him, Like,
Speaker 6: I just was coming to town and I was deciding
Speaker 6: to move to town, and I my manager here in town.
Speaker 6: I had to manager managed Sickie Woods and uh Zekra
Speaker 6: and Olds, a couple of guys from Fort Thomas that
Speaker 6: played football, and our local management. And they took me
Speaker 6: to nash for to be on Charlie Daniel's talent round up.
Speaker 6: It was a show and you know, you got an audition,
Speaker 6: that whole thing. Well, before the show, they took me
Speaker 6: out to breakfast and we went to the famous pancake
Speaker 6: pantry on.
Speaker 1: Twenty exactly where it is.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you gotta wait line that kind of thing, and
Speaker 6: low and bubl Garth is there, Sandy's there and they
Speaker 6: got three of the little girls with him, you know,
Speaker 6: and they were kids, we little little and I'll never
Speaker 6: forget my manager.
Speaker 4: I was.
Speaker 6: I was sponsored at the time by Midwest Music here
Speaker 6: in town. I was also sponsored by Skyline Chili, and
Speaker 6: we had a box of chili.
Speaker 1: Chili. My manager decided that you wanted to like Gurm
Speaker 1: Garth with, you know, like you didn't have enough chili
Speaker 1: in his life.
Speaker 6: But gave him some chili, talk to him, gave him
Speaker 6: my demo tape, did everything you could. It was so
Speaker 6: cool to meet him in that situation. And all he
Speaker 6: said to me was the time I'll never forget. It was, hey,
Speaker 6: watch out for these guys. Watch out for these the press.
Speaker 6: Watch out. They don't have your bag.
Speaker 2: He was warning you about the sharks in the water. Absolutely,
Speaker 2: and there are plenty of sharks in the water in Nashville,
Speaker 2: aren't They.
Speaker 1: Didn't think him enough for that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, Do you meet any sharks in the water, Yeah,
Speaker 2: nobody you want to talk about.
Speaker 1: But I watch I can handle all right, John Kennedy.
Speaker 2: The first time you did this for me at the bar,
Speaker 2: I absolutely fell out because it was dead on the voice,
Speaker 2: and of course you can't see on the radio the
Speaker 2: face that goes with it, but he totally mimics Senator
Speaker 2: John Kennedy of Louisiana, who was one of the funniest
Speaker 2: and one of the most I think eloquent speakers in
Speaker 2: our Congress, and you don't have to That's not quite
Speaker 2: a big compliment when you think about all the idiots
Speaker 2: that apparently have been elected to public office in this country,
Speaker 2: but John Kennedy is second to none.
Speaker 1: Well, Gary Jeff, it's like this.
Speaker 8: If I don't like police officers, then the next time
Speaker 8: I'm in trouble, I need to call a crackhead.
Speaker 1: It's perfect anymore.
Speaker 8: Well, Gary Jeff, it's like this, I can name a
Speaker 8: pig without knowing what inside.
Speaker 1: I know there's bacon in there.
Speaker 2: That's great, it's awesome. He's always going in one line.
Speaker 2: He's dead on, dead on. I wish more of Congress
Speaker 2: was like John Kennedy.
Speaker 6: Well, there's a reason he's on Fox every night and
Speaker 6: everybody likes him.
Speaker 1: He says it how it needs to be.
Speaker 2: Well, Plus, it's entertainment in the middle of this twenty
Speaker 2: four to seven news cycle of sameness. It is a
Speaker 2: twenty four to seven news cycle, but the same stories
Speaker 2: will be repeated from show to show to show, and
Speaker 2: you need somebody like Senator Kennedy to break up that monotony,
Speaker 2: I think, and I put it into perspective, yep, real
Speaker 2: for sure. So locally, you're a big fan even though
Speaker 2: you don't live in Cincinnati of Corey Bowman, who is.
Speaker 1: Running from mayor.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and I'm looking for a post Smotherman fan now too.
Speaker 6: By the way, Oh, Chris Smithman is the best. I
Speaker 6: listened to him yesterday. He was so fired of I was.
Speaker 6: I had to turn up as loud as I could go.
Speaker 6: Somebody needs to listen to that guy. I'm working on
Speaker 6: an impression of him. Actually, well, Chris has been hard
Speaker 6: to do. One of my favorites for a long long time.
Speaker 6: A vice mayor knows what he's talking about is not
Speaker 6: out of bounds.
Speaker 2: And we need a vice mayor who is strong on
Speaker 2: public safety, especially right now in Cincinnati with the violent
Speaker 2: crime which they deny and they deflect and say that
Speaker 2: it's down when obviously in the last couple of months
Speaker 2: it has been skyrocketing in this city. And you look
Speaker 2: no further than last weekend's music fest and the video
Speaker 2: that went viral.
Speaker 6: You know, they want to follow the math and the
Speaker 6: science unless it doesn't fit their narrative, and that's the
Speaker 6: problem that I have with it. I mean, you know,
Speaker 6: I barely made it through high schools. We've said before,
Speaker 6: but it doesn't take a rocket scientist and figure out
Speaker 6: that you need leadership in this town, that you need someone.
Speaker 2: There are a bunch of over educated and I say
Speaker 2: under medicated idiots who are running things in this country
Speaker 2: right now because they were able to buffalo enough people
Speaker 2: to get elected into office. Here is brother Greg's post
Speaker 2: and that's what you go by on social media.
Speaker 1: Brother Greg. What is this on Facebook? Facebook?
Speaker 2: And this is what Greg put down just this past
Speaker 2: week in response to what happened a week and a
Speaker 2: half ago almost at the music festival, after the disgusting
Speaker 2: display against other humans early Saturday AM and Cincinnati. I
Speaker 2: once again encourage you to vote for Corey Bowman, as
Speaker 2: I posted last week about the crime in Sincey, it
Speaker 2: was taken down and now Facebook took down your post.
Speaker 6: Took forever for them to even put it up, and
Speaker 6: then I couldn't do anything with it.
Speaker 1: It was I don't know what happened.
Speaker 2: Now the viral video proves at all and has been
Speaker 2: seen all over the world. Elon Musk has commented, but
Speaker 2: not the mayor vote November, Corey Bowman and you followed
Speaker 2: up with Corey Bowman's statement correct about discontinuing violence in
Speaker 2: that particular incident, and it is very poignant and if
Speaker 2: you will allow me, indulge me here in case you
Speaker 2: did not hear it, because it probably did not air
Speaker 2: anywhere in local media, which is still the most accessible
Speaker 2: form that people get if they pay attention at all
Speaker 2: to the news. And the official campaign statement from may
Speaker 2: eoral candidate Corey Bowman goes as follows. This is from
Speaker 2: July twenty eighth. Here we are in August. Over the
Speaker 2: past weekend, our city and nation witnessed terrific videos and
Speaker 2: images of violence on the streets of Cincinnati. For many,
Speaker 2: these images spark shock and disbelief. For residents within our
Speaker 2: city limits, they the reality of violence. This year alone,
Speaker 2: Cincinnati has faced mismanaged snow removal, leaving families and businesses
Speaker 2: without clear roads for days at a time, neglected street
Speaker 2: maintenance causing potholes and infrastructure decay, senseless shootings and murders
Speaker 2: occurring nearly daily in the warmer months, and other significant
Speaker 2: challenges all elected officials must confront these issues with transparent
Speaker 2: communication and decisive action to reassure the public. Yet many
Speaker 2: have remained silent or offered empty statements like this is unacceptable.
Speaker 2: How many times have you heard this is unacceptable? If
Speaker 2: it's unacceptable, then why are you seemingly accepting it. I
Speaker 2: urge voters to make their voices heard in this November election,
Speaker 2: when the mayor and all nine city council seats will
Speaker 2: be on the ballot. However, the election does not address
Speaker 2: today's urgent challenges in Cincinnati government structure. The mayor appoints
Speaker 2: the city manager, who serves as the chief execut keative officer,
Speaker 2: overseeing daily operations and implementing policies. The city manager also
Speaker 2: appoints the police chief, among other critical roles. So it's
Speaker 2: not just voting the right way for the elected officials,
Speaker 2: but making sure those elected officials are going to appoint
Speaker 2: an effective and competent city manager to make these important
Speaker 2: decisions for the city going forward. Progressives always talk about progress,
Speaker 2: that's right, but we're not seemingly seeing any in the
Speaker 2: City of Cincinnati under this current administration.
Speaker 1: Well, I saw a follow up post from mister Bauman.
Speaker 6: Let's stay that the city manager got an eight point
Speaker 6: five something million right dollar raise or what was a
Speaker 6: RaSE that she.
Speaker 2: Got, I'm not sure whatever it was. With the result,
Speaker 2: it's it's way too much.
Speaker 6: It was a point five percent raised this year prior
Speaker 6: to all these incidents. So you know, look, if we're
Speaker 6: going to talk about where the money is going on,
Speaker 6: you know, you know that's a long haul. This is
Speaker 6: we've got a battle against this. We've got to get
Speaker 6: together locally. There are fifty what one two neighborhoods in
Speaker 6: the Cincinnati.
Speaker 2: We do not want to be like New York that
Speaker 2: is on the verge of electing a communist as mayor,
Speaker 2: or Los Angeles where the mayor, with the specter of
Speaker 2: the wildfires and the possibility of them happening, travels to
Speaker 2: Ghana instead of staying with her citizens and taking care
Speaker 2: of her responsibilities. And then you have these charities like
Speaker 2: the Fire Aid that was held in southern California, which
Speaker 2: raised one hundred million dollars to help the fire victims
Speaker 2: in Palisades and Altadena, and all of the money went
Speaker 2: to these progressive nngos and charities that are funneling liberal,
Speaker 2: progressive causes, and not one dollar, not one dime went
Speaker 2: to the people who were directly affected by those wildfires
Speaker 2: in helping them rebuild. You've got to take a hold.
Speaker 2: You get the government you deserve, and I think the
Speaker 2: citizens of Cincinnati deserve a lot better than what they're
Speaker 2: getting right now. The citizens of this country deserve a
Speaker 2: lot better than what they've gotten previously to now. I
Speaker 2: believe we have a president that is bound in determined
Speaker 2: to put America first, and that means not his special
Speaker 2: interest but Americans, the voters who elected him, the people
Speaker 2: who pay the salaries of those elected officials, the people
Speaker 2: that they are supposed to work for first. And that's
Speaker 2: what we've got to do locally. All politics is local.
Speaker 2: You know, the country can have a seed change and
Speaker 2: the country can start going in the right direction. When
Speaker 2: is Cincinnati going to get a clue and follow suit?
Speaker 2: I guess that's the question.
Speaker 6: Yeah, who he modeling ourselves after DC, Chicago failed failed.
Speaker 2: That's who we're modeling after right now. And we don't
Speaker 2: need to do that because of very small and very
Speaker 2: radical special interests. Who are the loudest voices, you know,
Speaker 2: the voices of every day Cincinnatians and everyday Americans need
Speaker 2: to be heard, and the first place they need to
Speaker 2: be heard is at the ballot box. And then once
Speaker 2: those people get into power, they have to be accountable
Speaker 2: to the people who elected them first and foremost. Always listen, man,
Speaker 2: it's a blast to be with you. Man, you two,
Speaker 2: thank you so much. Always loving any quick advice for
Speaker 2: aspiring people who want to get into music, especially today.
Speaker 6: Keep doing it, keep doing it, do your thing, write
Speaker 6: your songs, work hard, get around, support each other.
Speaker 1: That's the main thing.
Speaker 6: I love these low artists here Dallas Moore West Ship
Speaker 6: these low q artis, and I circle my wagons around.
Speaker 6: They're always on the road, and that's a big thing.
Speaker 6: Sometimes they don't get to be home. Sometimes they don't
Speaker 6: get to see each other.
Speaker 2: Let me tell you something. One of the great legends
Speaker 2: of this radio station, and there have been many over
Speaker 2: the past hundred plus years, was a man named Jim
Speaker 2: Scott who recently passed sadly of als and he was
Speaker 2: the morning voice of this radio station for years. Jim
Speaker 2: Scott was his success because after he got off the air,
Speaker 2: he went out and pressed the flesh all over town.
Speaker 2: He met people in person and asked them to listen
Speaker 2: to his show. He was everywhere, whether he got paid
Speaker 2: to be there or not. And it goes along the
Speaker 2: lines of exactly what you're saying, Greg, thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Thank you, gare Jeff, you bet you. It's the night
Speaker 1: cap on a Sunday night.
Speaker 2: And we've got much more ahead on seven under WLW
Speaker 2: stick around and Rick Robinson, lawyer, author, and political bon vivant,
Speaker 2: joins us in the studio.
Speaker 1: My friend Greg Jones is still in here.
Speaker 2: Feel free to chime in at any time if you
Speaker 2: feel it is necessary.
Speaker 9: Greg, your mic is open. By the way, has a
Speaker 9: much better beard than I have. I just want you
Speaker 9: to know, I mean mine, I kind of got the
Speaker 9: I'm kind of going for the hemingway.
Speaker 1: Look well, he's more kind of the grizzly Adams guy.
Speaker 1: I don't know if.
Speaker 2: Either one of you shoot yourselves in the head, I'm
Speaker 2: not going to have any segment here anyway.
Speaker 6: Right sober, edit drunk, edit drunk? Right sober, rather edit drunk,
Speaker 6: though it's right, drunk edit sober. Okay, and you would
Speaker 6: know about that.
Speaker 9: And that's why I've never hit the New York Times
Speaker 9: bestseller list. Okay, did it the opposite way.
Speaker 2: So that was the number one song this month in
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty eight, all those people got to.
Speaker 9: Be free and number one country was Merle Haggard. Mama tried,
Speaker 9: what a.
Speaker 2: Great song we should have opened up with that. Well
Speaker 2: we can close with that one, Okay, Well, you know what,
Speaker 2: I'll be searching for that because I mean, but this
Speaker 2: is the one part of my holy grail of my music.
Speaker 9: In nineteen sixty eight, this was a seminal year for
Speaker 9: Greater Cincinnati, Northern Kentucky. How so, oh, you ask, so,
Speaker 9: you ask, sir. They don't call you the best straight
Speaker 9: man in the business for nothing.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, Carrie, Jeff, you are right there.
Speaker 1: No this, my wife calls me the best straight man
Speaker 1: in the business.
Speaker 9: This was Oh, this was the month in nineteen sixty
Speaker 9: eight that w XIX television Channel nineteen, Channel nineteen premiered, featuring,
Speaker 9: for those of us who grew up around here, such
Speaker 9: names as Larry Smith and the Puppets, Baddie Hattie from Cincinnati,
Speaker 9: Snarfie our Dog, and the ever popular Dick von Haney
Speaker 9: as the cool Gal.
Speaker 1: I met, I met Dick von Haynes.
Speaker 2: Long after his his moments of fame, he was still
Speaker 2: doing some cable TV stuff and would appear at different places,
Speaker 2: charity events and the like as the cool Yeah. I
Speaker 2: didn't grow up with Dick von Haynes as the cool Ghul,
Speaker 2: but I met him afterwards and he's a very nice man.
Speaker 9: Always loved him because he refers to the ghoul and
Speaker 9: third person. Well, yeah, it was a totally different character.
Speaker 9: Totally different character. Started out as a doing a radio
Speaker 9: dance show. How does that work a radio? He was
Speaker 9: just doing the voice I'm a guy who going next?
Speaker 9: W have by the Beatles?
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 9: He would just do that thing and and and transferred
Speaker 9: over when w X i X put on they hate him.
Speaker 9: Do the Friday Saturday Night Fright Show, Okay, and he
Speaker 9: would do the do these movies on Saturday Night, They'll
Speaker 9: come in. I used to be I used to be
Speaker 9: a regular on the von Haynes Show on on on cable.
Speaker 9: And here's what you did when you were on Dick show.
Speaker 9: You prepare a list of questions for him to ask.
Speaker 9: And then he never got to him, but you prepared
Speaker 9: a list for him to ask.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 9: Yeah, So he was like, what are we talking about today, Rick? Okay,
Speaker 9: it's my new book. Here you go take a look
Speaker 9: at it, and then he would we go and we're
Speaker 9: in three to hey, Rick, how are things going on
Speaker 9: down in Ludlow. You know, I was down there the
Speaker 9: other day and I was talking to Tom Gaither and
Speaker 9: he would just kind of go off on this this,
Speaker 9: you know, and then we'd finished this segment.
Speaker 2: Rendered your preparation totally. Oh yeah, it was no reason
Speaker 2: for you to even try.
Speaker 9: I could have put you know, if a train leaves
Speaker 9: from New York at six o'clock traveling at sixty miles
Speaker 9: an hour, and one leaves from Chicago, you know, where
Speaker 9: do they meet. I could have put that down as
Speaker 9: the question. It wouldn't matter because he would never ask it.
Speaker 9: He would always just go off on his own tangent.
Speaker 2: Well, he would prepare his own questions to ask, which
Speaker 2: I respect as a host. I mean, I've got my
Speaker 2: own questions to ask you, and they don't involve Jeffrey
Speaker 2: Epstein necessarily.
Speaker 9: They might. They might by the time we're done. Maybe
Speaker 9: how many times are you on the island?
Speaker 1: You know, I never garnered an invite.
Speaker 9: I was I was busy getting pizzas at the at
Speaker 9: the pizza store that had no basement.
Speaker 1: You know, you know what you know, I've actually.
Speaker 9: No no, oh god, they're in the During one of
Speaker 9: the admin I guess it was during the Obama administration,
Speaker 9: somebody stormed this pizza pizza place in around Cleveland Park
Speaker 9: in d C. Because you know, somebody had started the
Speaker 9: the the rumor, oh it was it was a QAnon rumor.
Speaker 9: So it was during the first Trump administration somebody started
Speaker 9: the rumor that there that in the basement of this
Speaker 9: pizza shop there was a pedophilia.
Speaker 2: Iron you remember this, There was only one problem. The
Speaker 2: store didn't have a freaking basement. They storm into the
Speaker 2: place and everybody's sitting around eating their pizza, and it's like,
Speaker 2: we demand to see what's going on in the basemin
Speaker 2: The guy's like, I ain't got a basement.
Speaker 1: What are you talking about.
Speaker 2: It's the same thing that the speakeasy said in Newport.
Speaker 2: There are no tunnels, there are no basements. What are
Speaker 2: you talking about? So you did actually propose a question
Speaker 2: for me to ask you, and it did involve Jeffrey
Speaker 2: Epstein to an extent, because that is the hull oft
Speaker 2: We just had Pete schin On from the Epstein Justice
Speaker 2: dot Com a few moments ago, and they are working
Speaker 2: to get all the answers on this incredible scandal. That's
Speaker 2: the most important thing that American can be addressing right now.
Speaker 2: In his opinion, I slightly vary, but I agree it's
Speaker 2: important that we get answers when we were told they
Speaker 2: had answers. But it's certainly not the first sexual scandal
Speaker 2: involving figures in Washington, DC by long shot.
Speaker 1: Several times.
Speaker 9: It's funny you asked that, mister Segway, because several times
Speaker 9: I've actually compiled what I think are the five greatest
Speaker 9: political sex scandals. Now, you know, long before Anthony Weener
Speaker 9: pulled out of politics.
Speaker 1: You wonder where I was gone, Donja, Yeah that.
Speaker 9: You know, long before that, we have had Little Tawny,
Speaker 9: We have had meet my little friend. We have had
Speaker 9: sex scandals since the time of the Founding.
Speaker 1: Fathers, I would imagine. And human beings are human beings.
Speaker 1: So so let's.
Speaker 9: Let's run over them, shall we guarante Jeff number number one,
Speaker 9: Let's let's go straight to.
Speaker 1: The Founding Fathers. Evstein's demless.
Speaker 9: This would be more the the the Epstein Britannicas that
Speaker 9: are sitting somewhere on the Island number one. Obviously you
Speaker 9: got to start with the you're gonna go with Thomas Jefferson, right, Okay,
Speaker 9: Sally Sally Hamming. Well, first off, it comes about because
Speaker 9: this story actually leaks during the time of Thomas Jefferson,
Speaker 9: because Jefferson refuses to give a post office spot to
Speaker 9: a journalist. Angered by that, the journalist then publishes an
Speaker 9: article that he is having an affair with his.
Speaker 1: Slave Sally Hemmings.
Speaker 2: Now, now this is this has happened, occurred after Thomas
Speaker 2: Jefferson's wife has died.
Speaker 1: Yes, so he and his wife is deceased. There's no
Speaker 1: woman in the house except for Sally Hemmings.
Speaker 9: So and well here's what makes it creepy, fitting the
Speaker 9: ebsteam profile. Okay, as I got into it, what I
Speaker 9: really found out what really bothered me was that it
Speaker 9: wasn't only just his slave mistress, but it was also
Speaker 9: his half sister. His father was apparently had the same
Speaker 9: proclivities with the with the help and Sally Helmings is
Speaker 9: often thought also to be the half sister of Thomas Jefferson. Now,
Speaker 9: for the longest of times, everybody said, oh, this isn't true,
Speaker 9: this isn't true, This isn't true. Now I'm going to
Speaker 9: do my best Keith Morrison impersonation. Okay, Oh, the pesky DNA.
Speaker 2: One of the great It's not as good as Greg's
Speaker 2: John Kennedy impression, which will do before. Okay, okay, but anyway,
Speaker 2: you know we you know what, I don't have the
Speaker 2: Kennedy's in here. I'm sorry, they're actually no wonderful Senator
Speaker 2: John Kennedy, not not John F. Kennedy the president or okay, okay, So.
Speaker 9: One of the and there's an Ohio connection here, one
Speaker 9: of the one of the great grandchildren of Sally Hemmings, moves.
Speaker 1: To Chillicothe, Ohio. Okay, and oh that pesky DNA Sally's
Speaker 1: brando or did she?
Speaker 5: So?
Speaker 9: Roof's there and they find out, yes, this is true.
Speaker 9: There is Thomas Jefferson's blood. They do all the DNA testing.
Speaker 9: Now Number two story, another Ohio connection. Who was the
Speaker 9: first gay president? I always thought it was Buchanan. There
Speaker 9: you go, very good, look at this. You you would well,
Speaker 9: if you were on Jeopardy, you would say, who is
Speaker 9: Thomas Jefferson? But in eighteen fifty two, uh, actually he's
Speaker 9: He hangs around as if you can and this president.
Speaker 9: His constant companion is a guy named Rufus King. Now
Speaker 9: Rufus King pops up in that later in the ideal
Speaker 9: of Rufus King. I knew Rufus King. He was queer
Speaker 9: in her three dollars bill Well kingsoy, well, actually I didn't.
Speaker 9: I didn't hang out the same bar as you did,
Speaker 9: so I didn't know that. But he ends up being
Speaker 9: vice president of Franklin Pierce. And here's the interesting thing
Speaker 9: is that he's the only vice president to never be
Speaker 9: sworn in on American soil.
Speaker 1: Was it Canada? He was, No, He had.
Speaker 9: TB and had gone to Havana to live in the
Speaker 9: sanitarium to try and be cured. They swore him in
Speaker 9: in Havana with a special envoy going down there and
Speaker 9: doing it. And he never makes it back to the
Speaker 9: United States to serve as vice president. He serves an
Speaker 9: entire term as vice president in Havana, which isn't long,
Speaker 9: just like thirty days. He ends up passing away. Andrew Jackson.
Speaker 9: This is the line Andrew Jackson used to constantly make
Speaker 9: fun of James Buchanan and his companion Rufus King, to
Speaker 9: the point that when they ever walked into the room.
Speaker 9: Andrew Jackson referred to them as miss miss Nancy and Fancy.
Speaker 2: I love Andrew Jackson. You know what, so many things
Speaker 2: I love about Andrew Jackson. Because I'm I'm not an
Speaker 2: Indian so American by trade, but I love so much
Speaker 2: about Andrew Jackson. And now I found a brand new
Speaker 2: reason to President Jackson.
Speaker 9: Well, you know, and and you know it's it's good
Speaker 9: to have have pictures of sociopaths on the walls in
Speaker 9: the White House. So let's move on from Jackson into
Speaker 9: the campaigns of eighteen eighty four through ninety two. Okay,
Speaker 9: Grover Cleveland, Yeah, who was bitten?
Speaker 1: Was Grover?
Speaker 9: A dirty boy? Grover his it's single. Okay, He's hanging
Speaker 9: around with all of his buddies. All of his buddies apparently, say, hey,
Speaker 9: this girl over here is pretty pretty easy. Grover decks
Speaker 9: are out a few times, and lo and behold, a
Speaker 9: child is born. The child this is funny. The child
Speaker 9: eventually changes his name and becomes a very well known guynecologist.
Speaker 9: But giving rise in that point in time to the
Speaker 9: to the jingle ma, ma, where is my pall living at.
Speaker 1: The White House? Ha ha ha ah.
Speaker 9: Now a response Cleveland comes up with Blaine Blaine, James G. Blaine,
Speaker 9: the Continental Liar from the state of Maine, which I
Speaker 9: think just shows you. You know, this was the earliest
Speaker 9: form of Twitter, right, you know, jingles going back and
Speaker 9: forth and back and forth, attacking, attacking people.
Speaker 1: All right, you're still with me, I'm here.
Speaker 9: You'll you'll remember this one, okay, the Argentinian Firecracker.
Speaker 1: You remember that. It sounds familiar, but please refresh my memory.
Speaker 9: Nineteen seventy four Congressman Wilbur Mills from Arkansass He's a chairman,
Speaker 9: and a chairman at that time were able to have
Speaker 9: their own driver, their own car. He goes out for
Speaker 9: an evening of festivities. On the way back, the driver
Speaker 9: of the car is driving erratically. The park police pull
Speaker 9: them overright by the Jefferson Monument, and a stripper by
Speaker 9: the name of Fanny Fox jumps out of the car
Speaker 9: and dives into the title basin to avoid capture. By
Speaker 9: the way, the bar was the Silver Slipper in DC.
Speaker 9: Of course, the Silver Slipper and pulled over she dives in.
Speaker 9: Now he ends up being the the Argentine Firecracker, then
Speaker 9: changes her name to the title basin Bombshell. And in Arkansas,
Speaker 9: Wilbur Mills when's re election with all of this with
Speaker 9: sixty percent.
Speaker 1: Of the vote, Bill Clinton was governor of Arkansas. That
Speaker 1: doesn't surprise me at.
Speaker 7: Wow.
Speaker 1: Like old Wilbur, he was, okay, so uh.
Speaker 9: The the funny thing of this one is, after this
Speaker 9: is all said and done, Wilbur doesn't learn his lesson,
Speaker 9: and he shows up in Boston and in the middle
Speaker 9: of one of Fanny Fox's routines, she brings him out
Speaker 9: on stage, where, in a drunken stupor, he delivers a
Speaker 9: monologue to the people in the audience and resigns the
Speaker 9: next day.
Speaker 1: Lots of political resignations and something.
Speaker 9: Of which, of which he said at the time, that's
Speaker 9: what I get from drinking with a foreigner. Got gotta love,
Speaker 9: Gotta love Wilburt. They were the title basin bombbombshell.
Speaker 2: Now here here's the I never I heard the title
Speaker 2: basin bombshell. I never heard our Gentinian firecracker though, So yeah,
Speaker 2: she she went on to make a couple. Your name
Speaker 2: or did the press change your name? No yet, no,
Speaker 2: she changed your name.
Speaker 9: Okay, I thought I had it written down here and
Speaker 9: I did not, but it's it's a it is a
Speaker 9: long Argentinian name that.
Speaker 1: That led her into all of that.
Speaker 9: And finally, and this, this one is cool, not so
Speaker 9: much because of everything that happened, but it's also cool
Speaker 9: because it shows you Reporters don't get up in the
Speaker 9: morning and say, I'm going to destroy somebody's life today. Okay,
Speaker 9: Ohio's Wayne Hayes. It's nineteen seventy six, and Wayne Hayes
Speaker 9: is labeled at that point in time as the meanest
Speaker 9: man in Congress.
Speaker 1: All right, He's.
Speaker 9: Working his way up. He's got a chair of a committee,
Speaker 9: and he has a series of mistresses, and he gets
Speaker 9: divorced from his wife. Mary's working in the main office
Speaker 9: mistress number one. Miss He explains all of this to
Speaker 9: mistress number two, who goes by the name of you
Speaker 9: might remember Elizabeth Ray. Okay, Elizabeth Ray now takes the
Speaker 9: position as mistress number one, so she moves up actually
Speaker 9: in the hierarchy of mistresses.
Speaker 1: Of of of Wayne Hayes.
Speaker 9: But she gets incredibly pissed that she doesn't get invited
Speaker 9: to the wedding. After all, I've been his mistress for
Speaker 9: six years and it's horrible that I'm not invited to
Speaker 9: the wedding.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 9: The thing that is funny about this story, and the
Speaker 9: thing that I love about this story, is that the
Speaker 9: guy who broke it was a guy named Rudy Maxa
Speaker 9: who worked for the Washington Post. I don't know you
Speaker 9: ever watch any of the travel shows Rudy was on
Speaker 9: for years with Travels with Rudy Maxim great guy. He
Speaker 9: was the best friend of a guy I wrote him
Speaker 9: with running short so quickly, okay, and basically his first
Speaker 9: wife and Elizeth Ray are coming back on the train
Speaker 9: from New York talking about how much they're pissed off
Speaker 9: at their husband's and she says, well, I got a
Speaker 9: story for you, and with that, the Wayne Helmet tells
Speaker 9: Rudy max Of what happens, and that's how the Wayne
Speaker 9: Hayes and Elizabeth racey.
Speaker 2: Okay, we'll conclude in this half hour with that and
Speaker 2: come back with more with Rick Robinson on a special
Speaker 2: Sunday nightcap on seven hundred WLW. Notable among the ones
Speaker 2: you mentioned, and you could have gone a lot further
Speaker 2: than you did, but I I am glad that you
Speaker 2: highlighted ones that other people may not think of today.
Speaker 2: There was some more recent and we were all very
Speaker 2: aware of, but.
Speaker 9: You know, Anthony, none that he Wiener was in fact
Speaker 9: the gifts they kept on giving, that's true, and he's
Speaker 9: still trying to get back in so to speak.
Speaker 1: But none of them, en Joe, involve pedophilia.
Speaker 2: And I think that is particularly uh, the crux of
Speaker 2: the of what makes Epstein and the involvement of the
Speaker 2: possible involvement of our elected political figures so horrific and
Speaker 2: so graphic that people, well, you know we're talking about
Speaker 2: you're talking about trysts and mistresses and you know, the
Speaker 2: first gay president, but none of that involved kids.
Speaker 9: Yeah, and you know, I I poke fun as I
Speaker 9: always do with the sex scandals of politicians, but there's
Speaker 9: nothing funny about what's going on right now with regards
Speaker 9: to the Epstein investigation. So the fact of the matter
Speaker 9: is is because of the nature of what that is
Speaker 9: a very serious, very serious matter, and will somewhat differentiate
Speaker 9: that from what it is that we're we're that we
Speaker 9: talked about in the first segment, because if you look
Speaker 9: at it, who can't get a laugh out of thinking
Speaker 9: of Gary Hart saying to the Miami Herald well, if
Speaker 9: you don't believe me, follow me.
Speaker 1: So they did. And there's Donna right there.
Speaker 9: There's Donna Rice sitting there with her with her monkey
Speaker 9: business t shirt on.
Speaker 2: You know, you have the trip to Bemany that ended
Speaker 2: a political career, you know, and Bill Clinton, I mean,
Speaker 2: at least Monica Lewinsky was twenty, you know, which some
Speaker 2: people may consider a child, but of legal age, and
Speaker 2: you know, and apparently an unknowing, unwitting humidor.
Speaker 1: I did not have sexual relations with that woman. The
Speaker 1: cigar did.
Speaker 2: And and of course the famous chap equittic incident with
Speaker 2: Teddy Kennedy, the co ed killer, you know.
Speaker 9: And that's and that's the point is I mean that
Speaker 9: there are some point in times when when all of
Speaker 9: these pass over but into into something much more serious.
Speaker 9: But but it kind of goes to point out that
Speaker 9: that in the world of politics, sexual trysts and politics.
Speaker 9: And maybe it's because they're all, you know, dealing with
Speaker 9: class A personalities, with alpha types or whatever it is,
Speaker 9: but there is you can go back into any generation
Speaker 9: and find these oh, you know Eisenhower fd r uh,
Speaker 9: you know, the Kennedys obviously, and I'm talking about the
Speaker 9: president and his brother, uh, the Attorney general and Marilyn
Speaker 9: Monroe for example. There's all kinds of sex and sex
Speaker 9: and politics go together in that swirl of the swamp,
Speaker 9: like bourbon and coke or bourbon and water.
Speaker 1: Don't ever say bourbon and coke ever again? Do that?
Speaker 9: You cannot do that. This actually has broadcast into Kentucky.
Speaker 9: And I can't be on a show where you talk
Speaker 9: about drinking coke with your bourbon?
Speaker 1: What about a coke? How about? How about?
Speaker 2: How about coke and baccardia? What about a coke? What
Speaker 2: about a coke back with a glass of bourbon separately?
Speaker 2: A couple of how about?
Speaker 9: And well, you know, and and it just makes you wonder,
Speaker 9: you know, was he in the bar when Gary Jeff
Speaker 9: was bartending to leave that bourbon and coke right by
Speaker 9: the door so that we knew we would find it.
Speaker 1: I mean, I just want to know.
Speaker 2: Leave me out of the Hunter Biden's story, please, And
Speaker 2: what about Hunter Biden as far as political sex scandals
Speaker 2: go with the stripper that he denies?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 2: And you know, the DNA does not lie is a
Speaker 2: pesky thing, that DNA as Keith Morrison's.
Speaker 9: The DNA, Uh, huh, Dad says that we could actually
Speaker 9: do dueling.
Speaker 1: Keith Morrison's nona dun dun dun dun, dun dun dun.
Speaker 2: Have you got any Have you got any Senator John
Speaker 2: Kennedy for Rick? While we're here, Greg.
Speaker 8: Rick, it's like this, Ah, you can get a good
Speaker 8: look of a steak by sticking my head up the cows.
Speaker 8: You know what, But I'd rather take the budget work
Speaker 8: for it.
Speaker 1: Isn't that perfect? Oh, that's brilliant. That is brilliant.
Speaker 2: So what about crossfire, hurricane and all the revelations that
Speaker 2: have come out now about President Obama in the waning
Speaker 2: month of his office denying obvious intelligence that showed there
Speaker 2: was no Russian, no Russian collusion with Trump and it
Speaker 2: didn't affect the election, and he told them to go
Speaker 2: forward with it anyway and continue to hamper Donald Trump's
Speaker 2: first term. Any thoughts on that, mister Politico.
Speaker 9: You know it's going to be hard, I think from
Speaker 9: the standpoint of of looking at that of doing a
Speaker 9: reach back, and every time there is trouble doing a
Speaker 9: reach back. And the reason I'm talking I'm talking about
Speaker 9: public opinion here, Jeff, more than more than the actual
Speaker 9: the acts themselves and what it actually means, and what
Speaker 9: it actually means. Well, right now, anything that happens right
Speaker 9: now is is going, Oh, they're just worried about Epstein. Oh,
Speaker 9: they're just worried about Epstein. They're trying to create a diversion.
Speaker 9: That's all that's going to happen. You're going to have
Speaker 9: to have some time passed between this and that before
Speaker 9: they're going to go to it, because the right now
Speaker 9: people are you know, could you imagine a point in time.
Speaker 9: I would bet that Jeffrey Epstein has better name recognition
Speaker 9: in this country than three quarters of probably ninety nine
Speaker 9: percent of the politicians in this country.
Speaker 2: President Obama, I don't think so. You know, Obama is
Speaker 2: still very much at the forefront of American politics, and
Speaker 2: it directly involves President Obama and what was done to
Speaker 2: President Trump to not only keep him from winning the
Speaker 2: election in twenty sixteen, but to hamper his presidency in
Speaker 2: the first fort and.
Speaker 9: Until every sen and that's where we're going to disagree
Speaker 9: with my friend until they got until it gets until
Speaker 9: Epstein gets cleared away, nobody's going to pay attention. You
Speaker 9: really think everybody's got it on everybody's got it on
Speaker 9: the front of their burin right now.
Speaker 2: And we had to Pete Chinn from as I mentioned before,
Speaker 2: the Epstein Justice dot com on and they are hard
Speaker 2: pressing people to call their representatives, their elected representatives, to
Speaker 2: call for a commission on this and to get the
Speaker 2: information out whatever.
Speaker 1: There may be.
Speaker 9: The one thing that I found very interesting in this situation,
Speaker 9: and it comes as a matter of having been a
Speaker 9: second chair in a lot of lawsuits with the law
Speaker 9: firm that I was at, is the way the first
Speaker 9: response was listed, there is no list, right, There is
Speaker 9: no list. He didn't sit down and go here's my
Speaker 9: list of pedophiles.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it rose his bets down.
Speaker 9: Actually Pete did do that, but nobody but nobody, but no,
Speaker 9: you know, nobody says down what there are? What there is?
Speaker 9: There's a manifest over here. Who's on a plane, there's
Speaker 9: a manifest over there? And and I was very troubled
Speaker 9: by the first response and said, oh, there is no list.
Speaker 9: Are you going to release the names? Well, there is
Speaker 9: no list, right? Well how about that? What, well, there
Speaker 9: is no list. They only said there is no list
Speaker 9: when they came with the first responses. And it's a
Speaker 9: very lawyer type of response. Well, Pam Bondi, he never
Speaker 9: prepared a list.
Speaker 2: Ham Bondy when she got seated as Attorney General, when
Speaker 2: asked about Epstein, said I have the file right here
Speaker 2: on my desk. She didn't say she had a list
Speaker 2: under desk. That's correct, and that is what is misconstrued.
Speaker 9: But what but what have they said later in the
Speaker 9: responses There is no list.
Speaker 1: There is no list. There is no list.
Speaker 9: In the fact of matter is there probably isn't a list.
Speaker 9: I feel like they need to give her a break.
Speaker 9: Her expression was something like, you know, like it's in
Speaker 9: my radar. I felt like it was a broadbrush expression.
Speaker 2: It was She wasn't specific at all about naming names
Speaker 2: or anything like that.
Speaker 1: That's on my desk, you know what I mean. Sure,
Speaker 1: just means it's in my radar. It's whatever. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think there is less trouble for the Trump administration
Speaker 2: in this than many people are believing.
Speaker 6: What is Trump always do? He's a counterpuncher. You put
Speaker 6: him in a headlock, you're gonna break your arm when
Speaker 6: he gets out. I think what happens, and you know,
Speaker 6: the control is a narrative.
Speaker 9: I go back to that all may be correct, but
Speaker 9: the bottom line is, nobody's going to pay attention to
Speaker 9: two administrations ago until this is there are answers here.
Speaker 2: Well, Epstein died and epste died two in the administrations ago.
Speaker 2: It's just as old news as Obama. But the crossfire hurricane.
Speaker 2: But the issue right now is that because the media
Speaker 2: is putshing it partly.
Speaker 9: Well, media is pushing it partly, but it's out there.
Speaker 9: It's in people's minds, it's in people's it's in people's gourds.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I will be honest with you. I
Speaker 2: don't think about it at all until I do a
Speaker 2: show like this and I have Pete Schinn talking about it,
Speaker 2: I have you bringing it up again, and you know, maybe.
Speaker 1: Bringing it up for the sake of conversation.
Speaker 2: I just spent like a half an hour with this
Speaker 2: guy from Epstein Justice dot Com who was beaten it
Speaker 2: over and over it. But it's not something that is
Speaker 2: foremost on my mind every day. And I you know,
Speaker 2: I'm as politically aware as the next person, and not
Speaker 2: from even a partisan standpoint, it's not it's not on
Speaker 2: everyday Americans minds. I don't think Epstein. I disagree with
Speaker 2: you the ones who were paying attention. And sadly, in
Speaker 2: this country, the Americans who are paying attention to this
Speaker 2: what is considered minutia by the rest of America, are
Speaker 2: very small percentage of Americans. They'll, they'll do, they'll they'll
Speaker 2: think whatever the media tells them to think, because they're
Speaker 2: drive by news people and they live in the twenty
Speaker 2: four to seven news cycle, not in the scandal news cycle.
Speaker 9: Well, that's been the that's been a problem, Gary Jeff
Speaker 9: ever since cable television was first brought into my mobile home.
Speaker 9: When I was at Eastern Kentucky University driving through channels,
Speaker 9: how did you escape?
Speaker 1: How did you escape tornadoes?
Speaker 9: And it was Richmond h in UFOs, you know, it
Speaker 9: was Richmond, Kentucky.
Speaker 1: We didn't we didn't have to.
Speaker 2: Be seeing these lights in the sky for decades and
Speaker 2: they still are and and everybody.
Speaker 1: S Columbos saw those damn lights in the sky.
Speaker 2: Are you going to are you going to? Are you
Speaker 2: going to ever release what you know? And that we
Speaker 2: know that the Pentagon and the military has done extensive
Speaker 2: studies and we still don't know anything. I think that's
Speaker 2: more in the general mindset of the everyday person than
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein and who was on the list or went
Speaker 2: to the island. I really do. There are so many
Speaker 2: secrets that maybe we're not supposed to know. And if
Speaker 2: that's one of them, you know what, I'm still going
Speaker 2: to live my life. I Am still going to care
Speaker 2: about what the price of gas is more, or the
Speaker 2: price of what I have to pay for groceries. I'm
Speaker 2: still going to care more about, uh, can I continue
Speaker 2: to make a living and support my wife and my
Speaker 2: cat Frankie than I am about any of this other stuff.
Speaker 2: Because all of that other stuff is stuff that I
Speaker 2: think about after I've got the other bases covered. That's
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, And you raise a very important point.
Speaker 2: I was Frankie.
Speaker 1: Frankie, the wonder cat is amazing. The cat does not
Speaker 1: me ow.
Speaker 2: He squeaks. What he's like a squeaky toy. He has
Speaker 2: not yet let out of me. Now it's eat he
Speaker 2: and I don't know if he's part mouse. I don't
Speaker 2: know what the deal is with this cat. But he
Speaker 2: is a terror because he's a five month old kitten
Speaker 2: and he's constantly getting into things. And if we're not
Speaker 2: paying him attention, By God, He's going to leap on
Speaker 2: a table and act like he's going to tackle a
Speaker 2: lamp and get our attention. That's how Frankie is when
Speaker 2: he's I was sweet when he's sweet with Gary Jeff.
Speaker 9: On the air, when we unfortunately got the news that
Speaker 9: Brooksy had that Brooks that Brooksy he was was was
Speaker 9: going to the letter box in the sky, I mean
Speaker 9: that was a that was a tough broadcast.
Speaker 1: I heard the whole segment.
Speaker 2: Man, I was driving it, you know, and I knew
Speaker 2: for half an hour before I finally broke down and
Speaker 2: talked about it on the air because all I all
Speaker 2: I knew to do was continue doing the show because
Speaker 2: I couldn't do anything else.
Speaker 6: And does Frankie have blue eyes like Old Sinatra or
Speaker 6: what Frankie has kind of has kind of I don't know,
Speaker 6: green green eyes. He's completely gray and he is You
Speaker 6: taught him how to run at warp speed.
Speaker 1: I mean meaning a I've.
Speaker 2: Put I put the harness Brooksy's harness on him with
Speaker 2: the leash and he doesn't fall over, but he acts
Speaker 2: like he can't move, and then I show him that
Speaker 2: he can move, but still it's gonna take a little bit.
Speaker 9: More that was such a tough day for you on
Speaker 9: the air. Uh And and I can remember, you know,
Speaker 9: when we would go to break you would, you know,
Speaker 9: to give your wife a call. You were talking to
Speaker 9: the vet doing everything back and forth. And at one
Speaker 9: point you kind when we came back on, you just
Speaker 9: kind of gave me the role and look and I
Speaker 9: just started talking.
Speaker 1: So I think Fate.
Speaker 9: I think Fate hit us together that Daycaank you you
Speaker 9: were having trouble, but you definitely helped me through that rip.
Speaker 9: But Frank, so you need to bring Frankie into the
Speaker 9: studio one day and and put frank frank Frankie squeak.
Speaker 1: I'm afraid.
Speaker 2: I'm afraid of what Frankie would do to this high
Speaker 2: tech equipment. I jump here on top of the console
Speaker 2: and you know, squat down or my grab Cunningham by
Speaker 2: the fluff of his neck. I think I think he
Speaker 2: kind of like that. I think i'd paid for that,
Speaker 2: actually paid to see that one or hear it. Rick,
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for being a part of the
Speaker 2: show tonight. A great list of sexual exploits of the
Speaker 2: high and mighty. The famous political scandals of all time.
Speaker 2: The Thomas Jefferson thing I knew about Sally Hemmings, I
Speaker 2: did not realize that she may have been his half sister.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that that was.
Speaker 9: That was the one when I was doing the research
Speaker 9: on it was just like that freaked me out. Okay,
Speaker 9: this is this is creepy, no doubt about it.
Speaker 2: Lincoln and Andrew, there's some letters and there were rumors
Speaker 2: that Lincoln wasn't really the ladies man.
Speaker 1: Yeah they there.
Speaker 9: There actually was that and there were actually there are
Speaker 9: rumors there. I think it was Seward. They had some
Speaker 9: rumors about it, and there was.
Speaker 2: There was rumors there are there are still rumors about
Speaker 2: President Obama that way. So you know, the book's not
Speaker 2: closed on any of this until somebody like Rick Robinson
Speaker 2: does the research one hundred years from now and uncovers
Speaker 2: all of the dirt on Barack and the rest of them.
Speaker 2: We'll take a break and come back. This is a
Speaker 2: Sunday nightcap on seven hundred W l W