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I don't think k why trusts anyone outside of aj
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Speaker 3: Let's get out to the hotline.
Speaker 1: Welcome man form or BYU Bucket Getter, one of my
favorite guests. Let's welcome at Answer Wider to the show.
Speaker 4: What's up answon b see what's up? My brother? How
are you doing man? Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: I'm doing good man, living the dream, and you know,
talking some BYU Basketball, BYU Football, look like let's talk
hoop for a moment here. Our expectations were pretty high, right,
pretty high going into the season. This is still a
top twenty five team in college basketball, at least for
the rankings via Ken Palm, all of the data, all
the analytics. I think, what a lot of people like
any other year. Right, we're top twenty five at this
record in the Big twelve. We're happy campers, right, But
something about the expectations got Cougarnation a little bit salty,
a little bit sour, right now, how do you see it?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's tough, Ben, This is a tough place to
be in, right, because myself included to start the year
this preseason. Right, you have the highest expectations in the world. Right,
You literally have probably the best player of BIU has
ever seen, wearing a BYU jersey at eighteen years old
in aj and you have a myriad of of role
players around him that are also great in their own right.
You look at Rob Wright, you look at Canar, Davis Kabakata,
I mean, all these guys who thrived at their previous schools.
I mean, it just seemed like a recipe that was
bound to work on all fronts, whether that be in
conference or during March badness unfortunately, you know, as what
goes with sports is that injury bug. And I mean
it's not just BYU that's feeling it. I mean, it's
been a rough week for the Big twelve. You know,
you watch Texas Tech lose their best player and JT toppin.
I mean, it's just it starts to get to that point,
you know in the season where where longevity and durability
starts to really set in and say, okay, do we
have enough pieces from a health perspective to get us
not only through conference but to March. You know, I
love this team. I still think to your point been
that this absolutely is the top twenty five teams. I
think coach you mentioned it during his press conference or
his interview on Monday. Hey, listen, he's got a challenging,
daunting task ahead of him. He's got to figure out
how to revamp their style of play mid season while
trying to you know, win games. That's a tough place
to be in as a coach. I don't envy him.
And on top of that, right you're playing in the
best basketball conference in the country. You get no breaks,
you know, and not to everybody. So I feel for
by you, and it hurts being a fan just knowing that,
you know you lose a leader in Richie. But I'm
excited to see what the likes of a Canar Davis
or or or Alec or even a dying Monday Dominique,
even what they would do, you know, with more opportunity.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the question is who does Ky trust. It doesn't
seem like he trusts any one of those guys, me Hilo,
even though he started him. I think he's just kind
of trying things out. He's seeing what sticks. Alexei really
quick pull after he turned the ball over, trying to
get the ball to aj Debon.
Speaker 3: So it doesn't seem like he likes his bench.
Speaker 1: I think last year, how many points did they average
off the bench?
Speaker 3: Vic? How many points did they average off the bench
last year? Yeah, last year thirty, a little over thirty
points a game off the bench, and this year it's
eleven eleven. I mean, it's insane.
Speaker 1: He doesn't trust the bench, He doesn't trust anyone outside
of those three that I mentioned in a little bit
of Kava.
Speaker 4: I mean it's a tough place to be. I mean,
you're absolutely right, Ben, when you don't have a strong bench,
you're relying on your front five maybe six to do
all of the work. You lose a huge production piece
in Richie. Who's going to be that next guy? I
was kind of hoping and Booth would have slid into
that role and had a little bit more of a presence.
I mean, I'm still hopeful that he. I think he
probably has the most confidence going in. Right, he's been playing,
He's got minutes throughout the year. He's one that I
you know, he may have to be one that really
slides didn't start to make plays. The tough part is, right,
is you're trying to generate confidence in guys who haven't
necessarily been playing all year, right, and so it's not
just a matter of Kevin shrusting these guys. That's Hey,
when I'm put in the game, do I have the
confidence enough to make a shot? I haven't really been
given this opportunity much prior to today. Do I have what
it takes to stand in and make shots? Because that's
what the team is going to need. And also guarding
at a high level, which I think we've seen a
huge drop off in Uius defense the last few games.
Speaker 1: Yeah, at least with Boop you do have like it
looks like he plays confidently and what he knows how
to do like I mean, he's not an offensive player, right,
but he does know how to rebound. He does play
great defense, and he plays with intensity and a competitive fire.
I feel like he's probably the most consistent out of
the crew and plays with some confidence, whereas Mihilo his
confidence is waivered. You don't know what you're gonna get
from him, Alexi, you don't know what you're gonna get
from him.
Speaker 3: You just know what you're gonna get from any one
of these guys.
Speaker 1: Dominique Diamande looks good like from a tangible length standpoint athleticism,
but he he kind of looks lost a little bit
both offensively defense. He doesn't play with confidence.
Speaker 4: Yeah, a lot of these guys look the part. Well,
I've noticed been and I'm moms bought on with you. Right,
You're looking at their stats on paper and it's like, okay, me,
guys should all be huge factors in a game. But
it doesn't always translate. I mean, one thing that we'll see,
it was very apparent in watching by you would geint Arizona,
is they have to get some more consistent offense, some
more flow, some more movement. Right, It's gonna be hard
if if every game, you know, Buiu is relying on
aj to shoot twenty five plus shot the game, Rob
Wright to shoot fifteen plus shots the game just for
them to be competitive, that's gonna be a hard, hard
way to win basketball games here on out. I mean,
so it's gonna take some more motion in their offense.
Guys are gonna have to step up and make plays,
whether that be making shots, getting on the offensive glass
and creative sec creating second chance opportunities, or just say
executing sets. I mean, I think Kevin Young hit the
nail on the head saying, hey, I'm the challenge is
trying to figure out now how to revamp, and we'll
see what that turns into over these next few weeks.
Speaker 1: Right now, they're a top twenty five team. Ken Palm
has them as a top twenty five team. When you
watch this team play, and I know it's hard because
you're going against the best of the best. These are
some of the best teams in college basketball. Do you
see a top twenty five team.
Speaker 4: I do see the top twenty five team. I absolutely do.
I think it may not show as much in the
Big Twelve because of the bohemoth of a Big twelve conference.
I think it'll start to show once we truly get
to March madness. I think if the VIEWI you can
stay healthy from now until it's time for selection Sunday.
I like rolling, rolling the dicing. It's a non Big
twelve team. Again, like we mentioned, right, some of the
best defensive teams based off just stats all live in
the Big twelve. We're talking about Arizona, We're talking about Houston,
We're talking about Texas Tech. These are all teams that
defensively they were going to give you Au problems whether
Richie was there or not. And we've seen that, you
know what I mean. And so now it's a matter
of Okay, can they get to selection Sunday, win enough
games and hopefully going a little run in their conference tournament,
and then make some noise against the team that they
haven't seen yet in conference.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I've been discussing kind of florin ceiling for this team
without Ritchie and with the bench just I'm not confident
in the bench. What do you think the florn ceiling
is for this team in the NCUBA tournament.
Speaker 4: Oh, good question.
Speaker 1: I think I think we can agree. This is an
NCUBA tournament team, right. You're not concerned that they're not
going to the NCAA tournament.
Speaker 4: No, I'm not concerned with that. I think they'll get there, right. Yeah,
They're gonna need to win another They're gonna need to
win a couple more conference games, that is for sure.
But I still do I still believe that they get there.
It's looking more and more like, you know, they're gonna
have that six, seven to eight type seed and it
gets icy. You never know who that who end up.
Speaker 2: You know, you end up.
Speaker 4: Facing on the other side. If it's a nine to eight,
it's kind of risky, right, But I do, like I said,
I like I like Kevin's chances coaching in tournament. I
like the fact that you're dealing with a team that's
not seen you before. Once you get to March Madness,
they haven't really they can prepare for you, but it's
not something that they've seen, and so I see there's
a ceiling. I still think, b Y, you can make
a run to the sweet sixteen. I'm not I'm not
all the way against that, but again, it's gonna take
some reshaping of the offense, and it's gonna need to
be some more coninuity with guys making plays on all sides.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's an interesting predicament. Like I said many
times on the show, our expectations determine our happiness, and
right now b YU has the worst luck, it seems
in college basketball.
Speaker 3: Have you ever seen this many season ending injuries?
Speaker 1: And sid I mean Dawson Baker going down obviously heard
early on in the year, Nate Pickens prior to that.
I don't know if he was damaged goods when he
arrived and or he got if he got injured. While
at b YU you have Richie going down.
Speaker 3: Which is devastating.
Speaker 1: Like this BOE basketball team was still high powered and
efficient offensively with Richie. Now without him, you're hoping that
Kennard Davis and others can step up.
Speaker 3: But have you ever seen this many season ending injuries before?
Speaker 4: No, I haven't. I think they totaled six injuries on
the BU at your roster, six injuries.
Speaker 3: I mean, and Xavian stateon both out too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, we're talking about guys that who were
promising that we I don't even know if they put
on a jersey yet this year, you know, and they're
injured going into the season, so that, I mean, that
piece is definitely alarming. I mean it's hard as a coach.
You don't you're going into your preseason and regular season,
you know, without a full staff. Yes, concerning I've not
seen anything like this before, and I think that's one
good thing that that coach Young has under his belt
that hey, we've been like this all year, right, We've
not been full staff for the entire season, and we've
somehow figured out a way to be a top twenty
five team, and now it's hey, how do we continue
that on? I would love to have seen a Bernie
Kolowski or a Pickens or even see Staton, you know,
grow and develop, getting some minutes, you know, throughout the
course of the year. But you know, unfortunately that injury blugs,
like you said, it hits and it hits hard, and
you're kind of left with whatever or whatever is in
the cupboards to try to figure it out.
Speaker 1: Yes, Indeed, Anson Winder, former b YU great bucket Getter,
talking some b YU basketball here on your Utah.
Speaker 3: ESPN Radio network.
Speaker 1: I feel like Canard Davis has to take a law
arger role offensively. K Why said in one of the
post games, I think two games to go out for Colorado,
that he had done into service to Canard by kind
of pigeonholing him, pigeonholding him into a catch and shoot
and picking pop guy. Now we're seeing more sets, We're
seeing more action for Canard coming off screens, you know,
putting the ball on the floor and getting to the rim,
getting to the free throw line. What role do you expect,
what expanded role do you expect from Canard Davis Junior
down the stretch, He's last five games and getting into
Big twelve and NCAA tournament play.
Speaker 4: I mean, listen, right there, no one on the roster
can replace the production that you get from Ritchie. It
just just his leadership, just his presence, right is a
stat in itself. I mean, it's hard to replace. It
really is going to be by committee. It's going to take.
It's going to take move Davis, it's going to take
it's going to take all these guys collectively contributing to
try to reach that production of Richie. I did notice
in the game against UH the Arizona that yet they
did try to run more sets for for Canard to
get him going, he's gonna have to be more assertive
on offense. I know that hasn't been his his task
through most of the year, But for YU to be successful,
he has to be that third option because he's He's
the one the next step that has that ability. So
he's gonna have to be able to stretch the floor,
make shots. They're gonna lean on him to create and
make plays for others, and he has to space the floor.
He's not a weapon. From the three point line. The
floor is gonna shrink, which is gonna make life even
harder for Robert Wright to touch the paint. It's gonna
be hard for A J to get to his spots.
So right now they're just fighting desperately to figure out
who that third and fourth option will be. And it's
gonna take Canard being a lot more aggressive to do that.
I know. In the breakdown of shot selection against Arizona,
I think U, R, A, J and Rob had the
most shots. I'd love to see, you know, five or
six more of those shots from from AJ and Rob
go to Canard Davis hopefully at three point line. Right
I think if he can get some confidence in his
shot and space the floor with his three point shooting.
How'll only help? And what can you know what coach
young can create offensively?
Speaker 1: And soon I just thought about something I want to
get your thoughts on. They did a preppy for this,
so I'll give you a few moments to think about this.
Speaker 3: I always say mammals.
Speaker 1: Need mentorship, right, and whenever you get into BYU, whether
you're LDS non LDS, you need some like you need
a little pep talk, you need some strategy. Everyone signs
the honor code right, you read through it and stuff
like that. But sometimes you don't know everything that entails.
You don't know about the culture. You don't know about
the faith. You don't know about the realers. You don't
know about the fans. You don't know about the ladies.
You don't know about all the things that that could
go could go a ride during your collegiate experience as
a student athlete at BYU, and so like, you know,
you know, I mentored a lot of guys when I
was there at BUYU, mentored them after b YU, I'm like,
there probably needs to be like an introductory like third
party mentorship program for all student athletes because these are
flag bearers of the university.
Speaker 3: You're signing up, especially.
Speaker 1: In the NIL era, you're getting more money, you're getting
corporate sponsorship, money, you're getting all these things. Like I
feel like now more than ever, there needs to be
like there's like third party. They don't have to be
a part of BAU, but they have to be like
BYU affiliated, Like individuals that know the geography, the culture,
the people, the main players, and what's expected to kind
of prep these guys and even mentor them throughout the process.
Speaker 3: Give me your thoughts on that, Man.
Speaker 4: I think you hit the nail on the head. This
is one thing had and I had that when I
was at BYU had some of my teammates. I'm sure Ben,
if you had that with you EVERYWAYU not so you didn't,
But I mean I think anybody with that type of
just guidance and mentorship would thrive. I think I would
have did way better had someone kind of prepped me
for what I was getting myself into when and for
that reason, as soon as I graduated, you know, I
did my best to stay around the program and to
stay involved in the Academic Center and the Athletic Academic
Center to try to be you know that resource. I
think that's brilliant. I think that's absolutely would be a
unique using a unique place, not bad or good. And
when I use the word unique, I'm just saying it's
just different. You know, when it's best or you know,
whoever's coming in, whether that be someone from Utah for
someone from out of the state or out of the country,
I think they would benefit them tremendously just having some
type of guidance for someone to lean on to say, hey, look,
I don't quite understand this. What can you explain like
what this means or how I go about handling this
type of situation. And so yeah, I totally support that.
I'd be something I'd love to be a part of.
As someone who's graduated from YU and and had success there,
you know, I would see continued success for the program
as well. So I mean, whoever is, whoever's on board
with trying to build something like this, I mean, sign
me up, because I think it'll only pay dividends in
the long run.
Speaker 1: And the reason why I bring up third party is
because I mean there's certainly individuals within the football program,
in the basketball program and the athlete, uh the the
athletic department that I think can fill those roles right
to a degree. But I think in an official capacity
you may be limited on what you can and can't say.
Speaker 3: Does that make sense a little bit?
Speaker 1: Like you know, like in an official capacity you have
to be like, hey, like you know, you know, there's
certain things you gotta do and that's it, Like that's
black and white. Whereas as a third party, you're like,
all right, hey, let me talk about some gray area here.
Speaker 3: And I'm not saying like, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like like you need like some third party like that
that is BYU tried and true, loyal, strong and true
that it's like, look like, you know, here's a little
bit of like some some gray like on how to
navigate and they talk about the pros and cons and
the nuances and subtleties and mentorship, right and so anyway,
it was just the thought that I had to, like,
you know, I'm gonna pitch that over to my guy answered, no, I.
Speaker 4: Think you know, for someone like me who came in
having you know, again, I'm not a member of the faith,
I'm blugging from Utah. I mean, there are a lot
of double negatives again to me, right, it would have
been very nice to have someone there just as a
soundboard to say, hey, look, help me navigate this, you
know what I mean, Somebody that's gonna shoot me straight,
someone who's not paid by YU to say what sounds good,
someone who's gonna tell me something that's raw and maybe
not the most pleasant or beautiful way of saying something,
but it's the truth, right, And at the end of
the day, we all need the truth. So yeah, not
even just from a day to day I mean, I
think even from a mentorship program long term. Right, Let's
talk about how you're handling your money, right, Let's talk
about what you want to do after sports. How do
you go about setting up yourself and your family. You've
for these athletes who have come into a large sum
of money, Hey, what are you doing with that?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 4: Please don't tell me you're just going to buy a
car and then spending the rest on on on on
dates Like let's let's let's be smart with with what
we're doing and make plans for the future that that
keeps this money, you know, in house and sustainable long term.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt about it. Ants and winder ladies in general.
Former B Yu bucket get are talking some BYU basketball,
talking some mentorship as well. Final a couple of things here.
Anson was as we uh uh finish up this segment.
This uh the trajectory of BYU basketball. I mean, I
think everyone's optimistic, right, like the future looks bright. Give
me your opinion on what has happened here, Okay, I
think this is an interesting study.
Speaker 3: We broached it. Some people think it's controversial.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: I love talking about these things, and you know me
better than anybody because I like delving into these things.
Speaker 3: For the longest time. BYU was built a certain way, right.
Speaker 1: You were a part of a team over a four
or five year period that that had you know, traditionally
kind of these LDS baseline players. You know, maybe from Utah,
the Greater Mountain Western region you have Jim or coming
in from the East Coast. LDS didn't serve a mission.
There's always those little like dynamics. You'll have maybe a
juco player or two or or what have you, right,
and you have what I would deem a is the
double minorities. Or you bring in a guy like Charles A.
Buo who's at a prep school and all you know,
it's like peppering what we're seeing now. And it happened
in the Mark Pope era. Uh the starting five at
one point with the Mark Pope, none of them lds,
all of them brothers, brothers like you had. I think
it was Rudy Williams. It was Oh gosh, I was
y Yeah, foos foos is loose. Right, there was a
there was like a I mean, it was awesome. It
was I celebrated it.
Speaker 3: It was. It was awesome.
Speaker 1: And right now, with all the injuries that have happened
Ritchie Dawson, there's not an LDS player that's playing right now. Bro,
Brody's out. All the LDS guys are out right now.
Speaker 3: It's pretty crazy, bro Like, And I'm wondering.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, what does the future of BOU basketball
look like? And you know me, dude, I just want
good basketball and people to sign up to represent b YU,
be a part of the honor code.
Speaker 3: But what does the future of BOU basketball look like?
Speaker 1: From like a demographic stamper, from a religious standpoint, Yeah, no,
I think.
Speaker 4: A lot of that went out the window been when
when this nil era ushered its way in. And I
think you're spot on right, Pope coach Poe before he
left and went to Kentucky, Right, he was kind of
bushering in that new era. And then on top of that,
right you factoring in IL and and just the transfer
portal as a whole, and that's changed the whole dynamic
for for a lot of schools, not even just BYU.
And I think it's it's forced a lot of schools
who traditionally would recruit a certain way to say, Okay,
we need to get out of the box a little
bit if we want to be six. Right, there's so
much change that happened for just BYU specifically, whether you
talk about changes in conference, changes in coaching, is athletic
directors just overall landscape, so many changes. I think this
is by you trying to stay as competitive as involved
as possible. But now it's going to take the culture
around it to adjust to some of these changes too,
because I think from a football and basketball perspective, coaching
wise and team wise, they're ready for those changes and
and those revisions to how we go about recruiting and
building a roster. But now it's just the culture as
a whole within BYU has that has that thought process
changed there as well, because you're spat. I've been there.
It's definitely a roster now that's it's mixed. It's not
ninety percent LDS anymore like it used to be, and
that's that's not a bad thing. I think it's it's
just that variety and diversity that I think BYU needs
but also too will help stay competitive at the end of.
Speaker 3: The day, no doubt.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it was Rudy Williams, Jackson Robinson, Gideon George.
I want to say it was Foos and maybe even
a Tiki ali Atiki was that lineup and it was
it was obviously it was monumental. I mean it was
something that that had never, you know, been seen before.
You know, no lds and and there's no there's no
traditional b YU guys in the lineup. So I find
it interesting and that's what we're seeing right now, and
it's pretty fun to watch. It's great basketball, Top twenty
five basketball. I just wish we didn't have so many
freaking injuries. But it's pretty crazy to see the bad
luck that has also followed b Way this year.
Speaker 3: I've never seen anything like it. Anson.
Speaker 1: We appreciate you, we love you. Man, and I can't
wait to catch up with you again soon. We'll be
seeing you later tonight.
Speaker 3: Brother. Thanks for hopping on.
Speaker 1: And one last thing, actually, you are one of the
assistant coaches over there at wassatch Academy. Wassatch Academy has
some great players this year. Give us a little breakdown
what's going on with watschach Academy.
Speaker 4: I love it, Thanks, Ben, I appreciate you. Yes, watchich Academy.
We're killing and man, we're on a fifteen game win streak.
We won fifteen games straight. We haven't lost since December eighteenth.
To be exact, the guys are their ranked seventh in
the country right now. We have three games left, so
we play two games this weekend. We played the number
three team in the country by the name of Arizona Compass,
and then we have Utah Prep, the former school of
AJ Debonsa. We play them next Friday. So we're winding
down on our regular season. We'll go to Georgia in
March for our conference tournament and hope to make some
noise there. As we all know, March Madness can be
a very interesting time for us, so we're just hoping
that to get hot and continue to ride the wave.
I mean, it's been fun to watch this group. Me personally,
I've recruited a lot of these kids since they were
you know, early high school, even middle school, so I've
known them for a long time time, and so to
see them get to this status where their upperclassmen and
having success, I mean, it's it's beautiful to see. I
think we have we have aspirations to to not only
win our conference, but to go on and hopefully win
a national championship. So we know we're going to continue
to put in the work, put in the time, and
and hopefully we can raise a banner here in the
next few weeks.
Speaker 3: Love it man.
Speaker 1: Any players that are getting recruited by the local schools
d yu.
Speaker 4: Oh, good question. So we do have two seniors on
our team right now who are uncommitted. I don't know
with how many Utah schools are actually on them, but
this is a shameless plug if you are not to
give them a shout out. We have a seven footer
from Serbian from Serbia by the name of vuk Lasorenovich.
He is a legit seventh feet LESTI super skilled, is
having a great senior season. This is his first year
playing basketball in the States, so he's learned a lot,
He's come a long way, and I think he'll continue
to blossom. And then we have a kid from New
York by the name of Chiddying the Wigway, who is
the six seven Kawhi Leonard type, long alarms, big hands,
super athletic, just Wire Reframe who's also un committed as well.
So it both guys start for us having phenomenal senior years,
and I expect them to to make some some pretty
robust decisions as far as where they go to school
here in the next few weeks. And then of course,
then we have our three, our three headed Monster, which
is Junior County who's going to Yukon next year, Katrell
Hartman who's going to to Creighton, and then marian neu
Manzel who will be a Steven F Austin next year
playing for them. So we've got a great starting five.
I would love selplessly to see more of our guys
go to Buyu just because of the relationship and the tide.
I mean, that's family over there. And then I hope
a in the years because the years to come, we
can we can see some of our guys, were you
a you Jerseys?
Speaker 3: Love it man? Ain't so much love to you one
love man.
Speaker 1: We'll catch up with the insuing, thanks for hopping off
for a little keeping up with the cougars, and let's
get you into an odeon men's wear suit. I'll send
you the deats on that. We gotta get you looking
good in a new suit.
Speaker 4: Let's go. I appreciate you being love you brother.
Speaker 1: All right, much love to you man. That's our segment,
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