Speaker 1: We go behind the counter with John Murray, the vice
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Speaker 2: Go to wager talk dot com. John, what's happening, brother?
Not much?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 2: I liked.
Speaker 4: I like this time of year.
Speaker 2: It's a chill time.
Speaker 5: I'm ready for Saratoga and Delmar to start, you know,
I like to I like to be losing money early
in the day and just having to just lose all
through the day.
Speaker 4: That's why I love horse racing.
Speaker 1: You could probably get away too with this time of
year of wearing shorts.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying to the office, Yeah, you
break good.
Speaker 4: You know I'd fire one of my guys if you
showed up in shorts.
Speaker 5: That's a professional mark when I say, though, you guys
are good. No casual Friday, well you never know who
might want to show up. And the talk I get
pulled into a meeting casual Friday, well, you know there's
no tho. Those things a Friday in the casino business. Mark,
I'm here tomorrow. I'm here tomorrow, big UFC event.
Speaker 2: I hit a lot of times on Sunday too.
Speaker 4: All NFL season.
Speaker 5: I'm here someday, absolutely, But yeah, during the summer months,
I don't come in on Sundays.
Speaker 1: You're entitled. Man, you're gonna get that del Mar trip.
You're gonna get your watching DC trip in before you know,
preseason football.
Speaker 4: Get right away, and I'm ready for I'm ready to
get to del Mar.
Speaker 3: We should do some live remotes from del Mar.
Speaker 2: Yeah, why don't you hook it up for us, mister
horse Man. That's a good idea. You do that, a
good show.
Speaker 4: He doesn't want to be in.
Speaker 1: Actually, probably could do it. We could probably do it
from Double B's box right there at the finish line.
Speaker 2: Could probably.
Speaker 3: I can get a little loud about every forty minutes though.
Speaker 2: Which is well when we do the show here, like
it would be a lot loud. Not in my box.
Speaker 5: You know, it's just people yelling at each other about
the picks, right, you know, there's no fun.
Speaker 2: See the problem pick.
Speaker 1: The problem is that John with Marco, especially if you
go opening day, they're opening weekend Delmar.
Speaker 2: He gets a little distract with the eye candy.
Speaker 5: Well that every Friday nights like that. I mean, I
know what you mean, but I don't do opening day.
Speaker 4: It's too crazy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, but I mean I think every Friday
night of the track, there's a lot of scene around there.
Speaker 3: The best sight I ever saw at an opening day
at del Mar there was, you know, this hot looking blonde.
Speaker 2: I'll be honest.
Speaker 3: She had black, tall, black dress, short, you know, and
I'm doing the scan down legs forever, and then I
got to her ankle. She had an ankle bracelid on.
Sounds like a nice girl, but I don't know, it's
probably you know, hey, it's opening day. I guess you're allowed, you.
Speaker 2: Know, to leave the premises opening day. You know what
she was telling you, Marco, there's a chance.
Speaker 4: Sounds like somebody were fixing to me. Don't always trying?
Speaker 2: Oh sounds nice, all right.
Speaker 1: The NBA season comes to inn last Sunday night. We
haven't chance to talk to you, John since last Friday
with that game number seven. Unfortunate for some people that,
especially with the way Tyrese Halliburton went down with that,
and no one wants to see that. So how'd the
finals play out for you? Specifically the Game seven?
Speaker 4: We did great.
Speaker 5: I mean it was It was very unfortunate what happened
with Halliburton, obviously, but we took a lot of money
in Indiana plus seven and a half, took some big
bets Indiana money line the day of the game, and
we already had that big future position that we talked about.
We needed the thunder and our best case scenario was
the thunder covering the game going under obviously thunder of
futures cashing.
Speaker 4: We got them all. We got everything we needed.
Speaker 5: Who knows what would have happened if Halliburton had stayed
in there healthy.
Speaker 4: But I do think there was a pretty.
Speaker 5: Big gap between the two teams, and it finally showed
up in Game seven. But kudos to Rick Carlisle and
the Pacers. I don't know how much more they could
have done than what they did.
Speaker 1: It was impressive showing by Indiana, And I don't know
how much of a gap there really was, because we
saw blowouts by both teams, you know, during the course
of that series. But obviously the continuity and I think,
you know, the depth was there for Oklahoma City no
question about that. Yeah, Haliburt got up to the start,
you know, hits three threes, nine points, you know, within
the first five minutes of that game, and then you
know that happened, So you don't know, I'm a little
surprised that you did get that much money line action
on Indiana and when everybody, you know, even though I
bet Indiana for the series, when it came time to
game seven, I said, well, you know when Indiana lost
what was that Game four, That's when I said, well,
I think my future bed is done. I liked him
in Game six, and I think I even said it
on the show. I feel they can win without Halliburton,
with or without him, one.
Speaker 2: Of those you know, game six, I don't think they
can win game six and seven. And I'm surprised.
Speaker 1: You have a lot of people that go to the
window thinking Indian and the money line just because of
what they saw happened in Game six.
Speaker 5: Indiana had their chance to win was game four. Yeah,
if they win Game four, they're probably the NBA champions
right now. But they couldn't get it done in game four.
Like you said, then they had to win because they
lost Game five. They had win Game six, and seven.
Speaker 4: I wasn't that surprised by it.
Speaker 5: That's usually how people bet those really high profile events.
They can't help themselves with those big pluses. And that's
why usually in these it's like a big fight almost
or the super Bowl, there's usually value on the favorite
money line. It's usually cheaper than it should be. And
I thought that I definitely felt that way about Thunder money.
Speaker 4: Line on Sunday.
Speaker 2: It definitely was. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I even when we did the show on Monday, and
we know that you had Indiana for the series, so
you had a big ticket, big plus money. I said
that money line was so low on on Sunday that
you know, I know you don't like to hedge out,
but oh I did. That was the perfect number well.
Speaker 1: To do So I don't know about perfect because you
still had delay. Was it with two thirty or two fifty?
You know that's not ideal, but the reason why.
Speaker 3: You were getting back five hundred.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm saying, do you want to?
Speaker 3: I mean, that's if you didn't feel if you didn't
feel comfortable about the way Joe, you had a way let.
Speaker 1: Me let me explain my my my theory on that
was because I had bet Indiana in game six I
bet Indiana and game one in Indiana in game.
Speaker 2: Uh full uh three.
Speaker 1: So I felt like, Okay, I got my money hedged
off that way because I hit three straight bets and
I didn't lose any straight bets during the course of
that series. So matter of fact, I even hit another
one like on a teaser variety. So I felt like
that was my hedge because normally, you know, I would
have done that if.
Speaker 2: It was like maybe you know, laying one fifty one sixty.
Speaker 1: But when I see like a two thirty two fittey,
I don't think that's a smart play.
Speaker 3: There was value on Oklahoma City at that.
Speaker 1: In comparison to where it was because it opened minus
seven hundred and then we saw like minus three fifty
three thirty and then it started coming down.
Speaker 2: What if close that John on that seven, I think
it was like two sixty to Yeah.
Speaker 5: See, I mean, but I think that I think that's
really good value concerning where the game the other home
game money lines were. And like I know, now we
obviously saw what happened with Halliburton in game seven, but
we thought he was hurt going into the game, not
that hurt, like that, but we didn't think he was
one hundred percent going into Game seven, and then of
course the unfortunate Achilles turn.
Speaker 3: And yet game seven was the lowest game.
Speaker 5: Because because that's how those events get bet, and that's
why we saw I wasn't that surprised to see all
that Pacer money line.
Speaker 4: I really wasn't. That's how people bet those events.
Speaker 1: What about overall season NBA season when you analyze it now.
Speaker 5: From active, I would say a very very successful postseason.
Boston losing when they did was not what we were
planning on, but a very successful postseason.
Speaker 2: We did well.
Speaker 5: There were a lot of upsets in the postseason. Money
line upsets led us, broke up a lot of parlays
for US. And then the regular season is the regular
season is the eternal battle.
Speaker 4: In the NBA.
Speaker 5: It's the worst sport to book it in the regular
season because the players, you know, they don't feel like
playing half the time, so you're just fighting off these
wise guys that get the information.
Speaker 4: I thought our team did a very good job.
Speaker 2: Of that, John question.
Speaker 3: A few everybody said that the finals, the ratings were
horrible and everything compared to previous finals. How was it
from a betting standpoint, It's hard.
Speaker 5: To say, because of course it doesn't compare to when
Lebron was playing in Cleveland or those Laker teams with
Kobe a few years before that. It was much those
series were much bigger for us. But I didn't see
a noticeable drop off this year versus say, Milwaukee Phoenix
or Denver Miami. I think this one was right in
line with those, and I don't know where the TV
ratings ended up falling. But you know what's really good
for us about this NBA Finals? It went seven games, Yeah,
and we hadn't had that in nine years. So even
if maybe the day to day matchup wasn't as good
as some other ones, we got a couple of extra
games out of it. That's very good for HANDLE. So
really the Finals couldn't have worked out any better for us.
We got exactly the result we needed, and we got
the full seven games of volume, which you know, of course,
is our biggest thing.
Speaker 1: In June, John Murray joins us VP here at the
super Book talking to NBA season and put a rap
on that. Then we have the NBA Draft that just
happened in the last couple of nights here how active
did you see betters jump in with some of these
bet props for the draft we did.
Speaker 4: We don't do the NBA draft. We don't do the
NBA draft props where we do NFL draft.
Speaker 5: But you do have to monitor futures more so for
trades like we obviously know Cooper Flag is going to
go to Dallas.
Speaker 1: That doesn't change I mean, you didn't put it minus
one hundred thousand like some of these offshore books.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I mean they try to. Why would you even better
to help people launder money or something. I have no
idea why you would do that.
Speaker 5: But no, we didn't do that, and we haven't done
NBA draft props in a couple of years. It's not
quite the betting event the NFL draft is, but we are.
We do monitor futures in case of a trade. And
there wasn't Kevin Durant trade.
Speaker 4: I don't know if that.
Speaker 5: I think that was before that was Sunday, right, so
that wasn't Draft night. But yeah, we're keeping an eye
on stuff like that, not so much anybody that's going
to actually get drafted.
Speaker 4: I don't think that fixed changes the market.
Speaker 3: How much did you move the market on Durant.
Speaker 5: Well, you you don't want to ask me that, because
I my opinion on that was was I don't understand.
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't.
Speaker 5: Follow the NBA the way I follow the other major sports.
Isn't Kevin Durant.
Speaker 2: Like forty years old approaching? I think.
Speaker 5: I think Houston is now the second favorite blind obviously
Oklahoma City. I understand that they have a very good
young team, and I think that guy is a terrific coach.
Speaker 4: I think he's one of the best coaches in the league.
But I don't know.
Speaker 5: Maybe I'll be wrong next spring, probably, but I don't
see how getting Durant makes a team that much better.
Speaker 2: I will agree with you on that. I just don't.
I don't get And again, it's just the narrative.
Speaker 1: It's like, Okay, a future Hall of Famer is joining
this team and people are thinking, hey, this team was
knocking on the door. But if you examine what they did,
they got rid of one of their best players, you know,
to get Durant. So Jalen Green has gone now, Amn
Thompson is a budding superstar, you know, Willie b. Shay Gilds, Alexander,
Anthony Edwards, We still don't know about that. But when
you look at the rest of that roster, it's not
as deep as an OKC or even in Indiana. And
again it's it's it's an intriguing team, but what are
you going to get with Durant? Will Durant helped this
team because now Durant is going to command the ball.
Obviously he's going to command a lot of these possessions,
command a lot of minutes. So you just don't know
what kind of effect is he going to have on
guy that they are getting better and you're grooming as
well too. I still think Houston needs another veteran presence.
You got Fred van Vliet. Thank goodness. If you're a
Houston Rockets fan you want to bet the Rockets, it's
a good thing you got Van Vliet because he's a veteran.
Guys won a championship with Toronto. He signs a nice deal.
If those guys can stay healthy, then yes, but I
don't could consider them a championship contender. They're a nice team.
Probably maybe be a better team, but we don't know.
Because Durant's presence hasn't you know, translated into victories in
the last two teams he's been with.
Speaker 2: Actually they've gone backwards.
Speaker 5: Oklahoma City did it a different way. They drafted the
guys that became well, they traded first, Shay, But you know.
Speaker 2: What I mean.
Speaker 5: They had the young guys with their stars, and then
they got veteran people to players to compliment them, like
Alex Caruso, like Hartenstein. Correct, they didn't get one of
these guys to be the focal point, which is what
Kevin Durant is going to expect to be.
Speaker 4: And I don't. I don't. I don't really get it.
I don't.
Speaker 5: Maybe I'm just like I see these guys' ages and
I think to myself, well, then why is that so good?
Like I to me, Lebron's the best player of all time?
But if he went to some team, would I be like,
oh god, I got to bet them to win the
NBA Championship.
Speaker 4: No, because it's not twenty.
Speaker 3: Ten, right, there you go, they shouldn't be the second favorite.
Speaker 4: I don't think, okay, and not at all.
Speaker 3: I'm not a futures guy. Better in the reason And
this is not a shot at you, This is a
shot at at every sports book. The problem with the
futures market is Okay, you adjusted on Houston, but there's
no readjustment on everybody behind them.
Speaker 5: We try to we try to move to the same
whole percentage. Okay, within within reason, but go ahead, but
most most don't.
Speaker 4: I don't know about that. I don't know. You're probably right.
Speaker 3: It's you know, I mean like if I go better
horse race and I put a plunk, you know, a
chunk of money down on a horse, it's gonna change
his off. But the other horses in the field, you're
gonna see that uptick. They're gonna have higher on so
there's value there. You don't see that kind of movement
with the what you moved Houston to from where they
were to see it go, you know the other way.
Maybe by the time we get to the start of
the season, the market will shifted itself a little bit.
But you know, other teams should have went up if
Houston went down that far.
Speaker 5: In my opinion, Marco's playing pretty big at the track
if he's moving the odds.
Speaker 3: When you forget that I'm in a small track by
track in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, you could to del bar he's not affected
to tote.
Speaker 5: Okay, well, no, I do I definitely agree with what
you're saying. And I think part of it is when
we when we lower one of the favorites, we try
to encourage the guys to, in order to get back
to the same whole percentage, move up some of the
longer shots, because the second you move up one of
the other favorites, there's a bet right there. And it
might not be a bet you necessarily want to take,
because there's a reason you start to that team at
ten to one and now they're fourteen to one, and
how you get a bet You're like, I don't really
want that bet, so that that can be tricky, but yeah,
I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't know. Houston might prove me wrong, but I
don't see how.
Speaker 5: I thought they would have been better off keeping together
that nucleus of young kids that got the second seed
this year that maybe needed to go through some growing
pains the way Oklahoma City did last year.
Speaker 4: And you know, they come back, they win the title.
Speaker 1: The next especially, and you made the point in the
beginning here with their coach. Okay, they got a good
young coach, all right, and let him, you know, work
with these work with these guys. So we'll see how
it all play. And I love Kevin Durant, always have been.
But again, I didn't care when he left Golden State.
He wanted to go be the man in Brooklyn. Then
he won, you know again, traded to Brooklyn, traded to Phoenix,
now trade to Houston. Four teams in the last six years,
and and to me, yeah, he's I think he's has
a little more left in the tank than Lebron James does.
But I'm not back in either one of those guys where.
Speaker 4: It's not a knock on either one of those guys.
Speaker 5: Those guys are the two best players in the last
twenty years, but they are what they are at this
stage of their career, and they're going up against guys
that are in their mid twenties and that doesn't work
real quick.
Speaker 1: College Baseball World Series also ended over the weekend. LSU
sweeps Coastal Carolina. Was it lackluster betting because Coastal Carolina
was in there?
Speaker 4: It was the exact opposite.
Speaker 5: And you know, I know that everyone listening is gonna
love hearing me say this, but we did great on
that too. We took a lot of money on Coastal Carolina.
We had a lot of money on Coastal Carolina to win.
Speaker 2: This was one of those guys.
Speaker 5: We had a lot of money on Coastal Carolina Game
two and yeah, Sunday, it was just Sunday was great
for us because that ended on Sunday as well. That
ended early Sunday. LSU swept them and we did great
on the College World Series. We did lose in the
Future Book because LSU was so popular in the Futures Book.
We did take a hit there, but overall it was great.
Speaker 2: But you know what I'm saying. When you get a
team that the average.
Speaker 1: Guest customer is not familiar with, like Coastal Carolina's in
the World Series is not like LSU, you know, UCLA
or Alabama or something like that, you would think that, like,
maybe you're not gonna get as much action. People are
gonna look at that and they're gonna go, that's a mismatch.
Speaker 4: O Coastal wanted a few years ago, right.
Speaker 2: In twenty sixteen.
Speaker 5: I think that he dated myself to me, that seems
like it was like last season.
Speaker 4: No, you're hi, Hearriet.
Speaker 5: Coastal's not a big name like Texas third or something
like that. I get what you're saying, but now we
had really good volume on that. It was a very good,
really happy with the College World.
Speaker 1: Series International Fight Week here in Las Vegas, UFC three
seventeen and T Mobile Arena Tomorrow night got ourselves a
pretty good main event lightweight titled Bout.
Speaker 2: I would imagine you're seeing some good action. Yeah, there's really.
Speaker 5: Good action on really the whole pay per view card
and the money. The money's gonna come in on Charles
Olavera because of what we talked to about with the
Pacers money loan. They want to take that big. Plus
he's more than I think three to one right now
against it to Puria is moving up in wait for
this fight, but he's undefeated, he's smoked everybody he's fought.
Speaker 4: It's hard to go against him.
Speaker 5: But I do think we'll have very good volume on
that fight tomorrow, and really the whole pay per view event.
We're seeing sharp action. We're seeing big bets. These UFC
pay per views. They're huge for us all year, but
they're even bigger now. They're the biggest game in town
by far now. So this one tomorrow and then there's
one in New Orleans next month, and I think there's
one in Chicago in August, and they will be like
the ten pole events for US until we get back
into college football.
Speaker 1: Where is UFC versus boxing from a betting perspective? Is
it really card by card meaning event by me an
event or just in the hole? What do you see
in betting action wise if you're evaluating a year.
Speaker 5: Well, it's very very simple to answer that question if
you just looked at it as the heavy I'm sorry,
the main event in boxing versus the main event in UFC.
More often than not, boxing would be bigger. But the
UFC does such a good job of having these ten
to twelve fight cards. People have heard of fighters up
and down these cards. We've got betting on all of them.
Boxing does a bad job of promoting their undercards. So
the UFC overall betting is way bigger than boxing because
you're looking at ten or twelve fights versus one or two.
Speaker 4: The UFC much bigger.
Speaker 5: Sport for the sports book because just because of that,
the pure volume of the fights.
Speaker 1: Don't you see more upsets in the UFC variety than boxing?
Speaker 2: I always think we'll.
Speaker 4: Just have more fights. They're bettable, right, But yes, I.
Speaker 1: Think personally again, you know, I'm I'm a big believer
in betting boxing favorites. They cover astronomical percentage.
Speaker 2: But UFC it just seems like Wow.
Speaker 1: I mean, the upsets happen much more often and there's
a lot more value you know there. But again, you
have the big spreads either in UFC as you do boxing.
Speaker 5: I think a big reason You're definitely right about that,
But I think a big reason for that is look
at a three round fight versus a ten or twelve
round fight. Three round fight, one judge botches one round
that can swing the whole fight.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in a ten.
Speaker 5: Round fight, it's very unlikely you're gonna get some horrible scorecard.
It happens, but it happens a lot more frequently in
a three round fight where if they just misjudge one round,
now this guy wins, and I think we get.
Speaker 4: Some really wonky scorecards.
Speaker 5: But I'll tell you we see that a lot more
often when the fights are not in Nevada. They go
to some of these states that very rarely hold fights.
The judges have probably never done this, maybe done this
once or twice. They've got no idea what they're watching.
And some of the scorecards that get turned in. You're
just like, what are you talking about? I'd be careful
laying a big price on fights like that.
Speaker 1: Great stuff, John UFC three seventeen T Mobile Arena. Of course,
get over here to the Westgate, Las Vegas and the
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Speaker 2: Now, and we're just right around the corner from football.
Speaker 1: And of course, hey, these windows are open right for
taking your future bets for the NFL as well too.
Speaker 5: If anybody wants to bet the Rockies, we are also
over there because we I.
Speaker 4: Mean, we loug you.
Speaker 5: I know, we bragged about how great of a day
we had on Sunday. We had a great day Sunday.
We have had a terrible week of baseball Dodgers, Rockies.
That was not good for the sportsbooks around this beautiful state.
Speaker 4: I can promise you that it was ugly stuff.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, we got survivor man.
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Speaker 2: Have a good week, my friend. Appreciate you, all right,
We'll see, we'll see.
Speaker 1: We'll see in a few weeks, because we'll be off
the next couple of weeks.
Speaker 5: Marco's gonna be at the racetracks, lower on the prize pot.
Speaker 2: That's it, all right, mister Topeboard.
Speaker 1: There he is and looking looking into for girls and
ankle bracelets, all right.
Speaker 2: Hanging out with them, Chuck. When we come back, the
quarterback Jay Schrader will be with us.
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