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Speaker 1: What is up?

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Speaker 2: Fellasicko's I Am Dan Valley coming at you with Mort

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Yensen of the NBA podcast, fame of Yahoo Sports, fame

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of Forbes's, fame of HBO, Max's name, and.

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Speaker 1: Of OnlyFans celebrity. We are here. It's time. We're not.

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Speaker 2: We're almost a month into the season at this point.

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It's time for our rookie check in. We are going

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to begin with the Eastern Conference, because there are two conferences,

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and we are going to begin with this one. That

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is the logic that we are rooted in for this

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podcast before we go in, just to give our thoughts,

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evaluations have some overarching questions for certain teams and their

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rookies or their rookie class.

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Speaker 1: Mort, how the heck are you doing doing well? Sir?

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Doing well? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: We are settling in nicely to the season, right like

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a month in now, we're finally working with some data

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that we can actually use instead of like those first

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two or three games where everything is wacky and no

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one can really say anything with any type of confidence.

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Like it's still early, but we're still in. We're in

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like that twelve to fourteen game threshold where the data

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is stacking up now you can rely on certain things

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like Kelton Johnson's offensive rebounding. Initially was like, is that

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a real thing? It seems so Yeah, it's a real thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a good time of year because it

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does feel like certain things are starting to crystallize. What

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we're about to talk about, though, is kind of it's

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not the opposite, but rookies are just inherently turbulent to

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where will they hit the rookie wall. Will these rookies

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that some people are already writing off all of a

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sudden pop later in the year. So we're not here

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to make any sweeping declarations except for the fact that

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I'm going to make plenty of sweeping declary.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, you are where.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna just bounce around from teams and we're not look,

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I was a Chaslinear guy, but we're not gonna spend

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eight minutes talking about the very few minutes that chas

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Lyn Year has played for the Pistons. We're trying to

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look at situations that are a little bit more notable

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and looking at guys that have built up these larger

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sample sizes. Which team, which rookie would you like to

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begin with more?

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Speaker 3: Well, I would like to extend my apologies to Konkk

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Nipple first and foremost. So here's the thing. When he

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came into the league, or when I watched him in college,

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I thought he would be a year two player because

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I you know, he's not overly athletic.

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Speaker 1: I think that's fair to say.

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Speaker 3: And I thought his floor game, while solid, I thought

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that was it wasn't as advanced. So I figured he's

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probably gonna just get smacked around in the first year,

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and then the year two he's going to have like

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a really good year. That dude was just like, no,

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I'm I'm just gonna land on my feet pretty well,

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and I'm just going to use my I don't even

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want to say limited athleticism, but you know, I'm just

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going to use my savvy, my basketball IQ. I'm going

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to get to every spot on the that I need

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to get to. Oh, I'm gonna hit forty percent from

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the three point line. I'm gonna hit practically ninety from

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the line, and I'm just gonna be an overwhelmingly.

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Speaker 1: Efficient rookie who's playing the wing.

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Speaker 3: So my apologies to con Honestly, that's just I did

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not see that coming this soon.

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Speaker 1: I am, I was very very wrong.

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Speaker 2: Well that's nothing new for you. At least you've got

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to be used to that is true.

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Speaker 3: No, I mean you're not even kidding. Yeah, after twenty

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years of covering this damn league, I better have a

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track record of being wrong plenty of times.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the I don't know where I landed.

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Speaker 2: I liked Conkin Eppo coming out of the draft, but

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I didn't know what to expect from him and Charlotte.

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We probably should have banked on Hey, there will be

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injuries and he'll have a pretty big role regardless, and

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he had a pretty big role before LaMelo was banged up.

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He's back now, Brandon Miller banged up. I think what

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has impressed me most is that he is someone who

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can be in some of those secondary units.

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Speaker 1: It feels like.

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Speaker 2: The basis for your entire offense, and he's not on

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the ball for a lot of those, like the passing

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out of drives, just the movement, like he can make

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quick decisions with the ball in his hands, he can

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do something he could do plenty with the ball in

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his hands, but just being able to move coming off screens,

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knocking down shots, constant pressure even when he doesn't have

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the ball, which I know is what he was kind

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of billed as. But we've already seen a ton of

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it without LaMelo, without Brandon Miller on the court, and

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it looks really good. And I also probably just underestimated

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the value in his positional size because he's six' seven

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and it's players of his archetype you don't maybe now

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we're getting to a point where you, do but you

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don't look at them and you expect them to be

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like six' four, or something AND so i type cast

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anyone who fits into. That Mold but i've been really

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impressed with what he's able to do and what.

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Speaker 1: He like it's.

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Speaker 2: Not dependent he's just an outlet, for everybody and there

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there is. THAT pass i think my question, to dude

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do you think he's someone who could come in at

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one point and run a bunch of pick?

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Speaker 1: And rolls is that something that you see down the pipeline.

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Speaker 3: For him i'm not putting it. PAST him i think

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what we've seen so far has been. Very encouraging, you

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know we're looking at for three assists, per game but

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that is just not in any way A real i

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don't think it represents his real value as a. Passer

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whatsoever like he's playing on a team that Does, Have

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LaMelo so there are you know guards That calling sexton,

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As well like is that guy who has the ball

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in his hands a fair bit when. He's there it's

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it's one of those situations where his passing is better

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than what the. NUMBERS indicate i will need to see

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it over an. Extended stretch and you, know this this Is.

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The hornets so we'll get, it eventually because, you know

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that's one thing we can always count on With. The

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hornets some guy's gonna miss, twenty games, forty games, forty

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games that is unfortunately just. The thing so we just

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have to be patient and we'll. Find OUT but i,

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SO far i don't see an argument for why that

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would be. An issue, you know he's he's very patient

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in the way that he, probes defenses and it's OUTSIDE

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like i think the more that he get accustomed TO

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the nba clock and the speed of, the game the

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more he's going to use that patience to. His advantage,

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you know there's there are a couple things like from

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certain angles as ball hanfort that you just that's not

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something you can. Plan ahead so that's that's just trial

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and error that goes for every single player IN. The

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nba and as long as he gets those out of

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his system, THIS year i wouldn't be surprised if next

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year he comes back and it, is like, you know

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a twenty plus, five boards five assists plus, Whoa guy.

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Speaker 1: That wouldn't be surprising that doesn't.

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Speaker 2: That close and also those NUMBERS today i still hear

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them in the twenty five And, five wow but TODAY

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it's i, don't Know twenty like twenty five five and

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five isn't even what it used, to, be right.

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Speaker 1: It's not he's he's seventeen six.

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Speaker 3: And three so it's not even like he has to build,

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you know pyramid on this like he that's just.

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Speaker 2: INTERNAL improvement i do think assuming this is the core,

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moving forward or a lion's share, of it he is

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the PLAYER that i think could do the most to

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Open Up LaMelo ball's game to where when you see

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thelo it's Like A LaMelo ball taking catch and shoot

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Threes Or LaMelo ball's, shot quality it just. Goes Up, it's,

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oh no defenses have needed to be keyed on continentple

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and maybe that's Absence Of brandon miller the past two

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seasons basically is leading me to say things. Like THAT

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but i think he, RIGHT now i look at him,

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and say maybe, recency biased but think that he is

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their second most intriguing building block when we're.

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Speaker 3: Moving, FORWARD yeah i would love to see this team for,

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several purposes but Like Getting miles bridges off that roster

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and having what he contributes just spread out Again, Across,

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Continipple LaMelo, BRANDON miller i think that.

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Speaker 1: Is going to be.

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Speaker 3: Extremely interesting Even Even ryan kelprener to a, certain extent

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and See on, james too this is intriguing, At least

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like for remember all the Hype around charlotte last year

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that was, totally misplaced where people were like they could make.

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Speaker 1: THE playoffs i was never.

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Speaker 3: On that, This year i'm not on the, playoff Thing

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but i'm at least at that Situation where, i'm like,

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They're intriguing they're fun, to watch this is there's something

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here if they keep Building the.

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Speaker 2: You mentioned both of Them In sion James And. Ryan

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kulkrenner we talked that a. Little bit GRANT and i

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on our last podcast actually.

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Speaker 1: About Them.

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Speaker 2: RYAN kalkbrenner i made Fun of charlotte's center rotation, in

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general and Even With. Mussa Diabate, That's look charlotte's not

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a defensive, world leader but they have more confident big

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man play on their TEAM that i. Was Expecting ryan

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kalbrenner is a huge part. Of that he's conventionally ginormous

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and knows how to use his hands at both ends of.

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The floor when you're looking at where, he like he

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knows his limitations. On offense there's some like a little bit.

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OF range i could throw up a flip shot or

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hook shot outside of that, restricted area but he just

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knows where he needs to finish on the offensive end

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and how to. Get there i've been impressed with his,

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defensive activity his room deterrence. As well he's he has

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like a nice straight gait for someone his, Size too

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so if you want to get up and down, THE

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floor i think you can play with him. Like that

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that Is Se on james was just someone when he,

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came out, It, was oh he's gonna really work his

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ass off defensively and you're gonna wonder can he give you?

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Speaker 1: Enough offense and those are kind of still some of the.

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Speaker 2: Same questions even if he's going to shoot well the

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Sea on, james volume that's just he's not conditioned to

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give it. To You ryan kulkbreenner was just NOT someone

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i saw COMING and i didn't really there were some

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gonna play it like they're viewing this this guy as someone.

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Speaker 1: Who can come in and.

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Speaker 2: CONTRIBUTE immediately i definitely underestimated that because that's what he's doing.

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Speaker 1: Right, now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah it's they hit it out of. The BALLPARK like

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i Know that leah McNeely has to hit the. Ground

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running but if when you hit three out of four

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draft picks in the, same year that's. A win that's.

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A win that is such an enormous boost to your long.

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Term potential, and like for the, MOST part i think

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they've done well in building this Roster Tee john salon,

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All right like, last year that SEEMS like i don't

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want to say. Lost cost like if they if he

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gives them, something eventually that's an. Added bonus i'm keeping

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my on them a little bit.

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Speaker 1: For, SURE james i just. Love him he's getting baptized.

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Speaker 2: By fire on the defensive ends Surviving the hornets have

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actually been pretty good defensively when He And ryan kalkbrenner

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are on, the court they are in the seventy first

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percent tile of points lot per possession when those two

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are on. The, floor uh the offense a little bit,

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iffy there but you're looking at some of the lineups

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they've had to. RUN in i think, the bigger the

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more impressive stat to me more is that when the

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three rookies they have Four, But James, ryan Kulkbrenner and

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conkinent will play Together Without LaMelo Ball Or brandon miller on,

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the Court the hornets have won those minutes.

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Speaker 1: So far that's kind. OF bonkers, i mean you KNOW

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how i Feel, about LaMelo so i'm not even Gonna say.

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Speaker 2: I'm not making Him. A melo i could see how

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it comes across as me trying to make It a.

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LaMelo discussion i, was, definitely, well no this was it

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was more So Through brandon Miller through it's more so

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look at this like this is just this is working

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independent of what should be their two most important players in.

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Speaker 1: THE building i.

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Speaker 3: Will definitely just suggested that they should trade both. Of

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them that's what.

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Speaker 2: YOU know, i, think yep THAT'S what. I, did yeah

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true or falses of, right now.

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Speaker 1: Only no more than two TEAMS because i don't know how.

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Speaker 2: To like you Look At. Cooper flag you know what he's.

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Gonna be We Like, dylan harper WE. Like.

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Speaker 1: Vj edgecomb true.

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Speaker 2: Or false we'll look back and Say The charlotte hornets

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had a top three draft in twenty, twenty five.

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Speaker 3: A top. Three, draft, yeah no, Like, overall, yeah no that. Seems,

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true yeah just.

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Speaker 1: Because you DO. Have vj Edgecomb And dylan Harper And

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cooper flag.

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Speaker 2: Voting around but those are very, SAY.

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Speaker 1: Yeah I think i think.

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Speaker 3: THAT'S fair, i mean, so far we're we're seeing three

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players out of four do really. Really Well kon kinebble

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IS someone i think has, Some well i've realized has

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a much higher CEILING that i. Originally thought that seems pretty,

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luke warm honestly.

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Speaker 1: Luke, warm, wow.

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Speaker 2: Well look good. For them they got a bunch. Of,

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rookies yeah let's let's my. Pick here let's talk About the.

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Nets youngins Two that i'd like, to, highlights specifically mostly

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because they're the only two that seemed to matter to, That,

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Team Uh jegor Joeman And drake potwell's, playing NOW and

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i think those are the Two guys i'm most. Intrigued,

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by again they're the two Guys that i've seen the.

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Most Of ben serroff he has an ankle injury just

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as we were, recording this.

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Speaker 1: Or basically right before we HOPPED.

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Speaker 2: On uh he started the season in the, starting lineup faded.

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FROM that i don't know how to feel about. HIM

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anymore i Still Like nolan trejori's on, ball speed but

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the things we've Seen from Yea, or joeman he's. MORE

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comfortable i said this about, summer league getting catch and

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shoot threes OFF than i ever expected him. To be

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But what i've, Been noticing i'm sure you saw all

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the talk of oh he's not finishing inside, the arc

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he's not taking a ton of. Two pointers the big thing,

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with him or the, big concern was can he create

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enough separation when he's on the ball to run? Your

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offense and he's gonna need, Ball screens but it's kind

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of navigation in the lane and just the passing we've seen.

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Speaker 1: From him i'm. A believer I think.

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Speaker 2: I don't now do you think the nets still ship

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Taken Him calmery boyles came after that might be a

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totally different discussion down. THE line i really looking at him,

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SPECIFICALLY first i really like him and think that he's

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gonna be, very good pretty good rebounder, as well although

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that could say a lot about the types of lineups

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the nets are running. Out there the offensive process with

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him though not even close. To Finish but i'm more

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comfortable with, him overall in large part to me, because

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one the off ball stuff it, looks, like oh that's just,

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gonna work and he's been playing even better in those

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instances since being inserted into the. Starting lineup and, THEN

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two i think he can be fine on. The, ball

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again he might need to be overly reliant on ball

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screens to get that. Initial separation that's fine. To ME so,

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i like for the most Part what i've seen from

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him this season.

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Speaker 3: That makes one of, Us no, I'M kidding i agreed to,

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an Extent so i'm not. There yet with the on,

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BALL stuff i am, Not There and i'm also not

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trusting the volume on the, threes YET although i will

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say this like during summer league and summer league doesn't

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count for jack shit but still when we saw him

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begin to take those shots with confidence and with the,

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more level with, the bigger higher determinedness than what he did,

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at college that was the thing. For me and so

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far he has come into the league with more of

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a mindset, of, Oh yeah i'm going to get these,

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shuts UP and i.

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Speaker 1: LIKE that i like that.

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Speaker 3: A lot the efficiency so far has been, very MIDDLING

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and i don't think he's pardon not.

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Speaker 1: From three it's been five. To three that it's the

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it's the Three point i'm talking.

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Speaker 3: About it it's just under for thirty, six percent that

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is a that's a little under the, leak average but

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it's on fifty. Six Attempts so, I'm like i'm still

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that point where that can go. Either way i'm not

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necessarily trusting, it yet but the two point thing like

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where he just cannot get. In THERE and i know what, you, said,

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like oh that's that's been talked about. A, lot yeah

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it's been talked about, a lot because that's an issue

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like that's pretty important if if you're a six' nine

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leak guard or that at least that's the the project

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that you're working on becoming you how to utilize your

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size at to your advantage a. Little bit, MORE right

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now i think he's kind of falling into like the

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the early, stage Is Okay see josh giddey thing where

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he doesn't really realize he's six,' eight six' nine doesn't

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really understand how, to use that toice advantage so when,

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he gets into the paint he's basically acting. Like a

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small point, GUARD that IS concerning now i do, i,

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DO want to say though i appreciate, you Highlighting the

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good stuff because i'm just sitting there with such An

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underwhelming feeling overall, About brooklyn's draft so far like, EVEN

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during the actual draft i was, scratching my head pretty

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thoroughly and so far.

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Speaker 1: We haven't seen anything that.

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Speaker 3: KIND of justifies as yet i, think it's fair to say,

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like you were asking me do you think they? Should

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have gone this direction if we were to look at the,

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actual twenty twenty five draft could we not make an

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argument that they could have gone in.

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Speaker 1: A better direction with literally? All of their?

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Speaker 2: First routers is it so who is the Name That?

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So starting with joe man who is the name that?

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You would have DECIDED? Be is it just cmb? Is

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there another other names that are standing out TO you,

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when you're saying i definitely so?

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Speaker 3: What do we build in do we build in like

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how we liked, the guy during the draft or how

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it teams were looking. At him, becau centric coward, to

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me it's, also interesting. He'd be interesting For sure it's?

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Just was cedric k mentioned was he? BEING mentioned in

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the range i think, that's what's tough about. This especially

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so early, on.

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Speaker 1: He was he was he was looked at. It like

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in the twenties he WAS.

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Speaker 2: He was was he i remember him being talked about

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as one of the, like the top.

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Speaker 1: Ten prospects pretty.

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Speaker 3: And fluctuated there was a point in time during the

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start of last, season, where, they were like oh yeah

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he's going to be a lot of re selection and

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he just DIDN'T shoot a lot at boyq. And uh

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he was inefficient, then that stock started dropping like there

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might have been a murmur of optimism a couple. Of

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days before, the draft now that now? Did you actually

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mention it now just GETTING reminded there might be i

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do remember some, report, for, some outlets saying oh yeah

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it seems, Are actually liking. THIS guy so that's, fair i,

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forgot about that but overall it did feel like he

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was primarily. SLOTTED in the early twenties i don't remember

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him getting. LIKE TOP TEN bus though.

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Speaker 2: I i i think you it's debatable whether they. SHOULD

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have gone with him i don't know, if the list

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of players especially now is long enough to say it's

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easier When You Get Into the, danny wolf's nolan treire's

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right it's just because. That RANGE is so turbulent but

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i think, it's as of right now it, might be

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fair to say especially when you, LOOK at who they

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drafted cmb might make some.

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Speaker 1: MORE sense FOR.

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Speaker 2: This team i just i recognized, the inside the arc

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stuff and you want him to be able to put.

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MORE pressure on the basket i just think he's going

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to be able to do more in the lane and

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inside the.

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Speaker 1: Arcs as things, go on, so it's look it's early.

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THAT'S why we're.

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Speaker 2: Doing this i just can't so you're sitting there and

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you think that if, you were running the nets you

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would Have Taken someone other than.

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Speaker 1: Yegor joeman at number eight? Is, THAT what you're saying

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LOOK i.

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Speaker 2: Was.

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Speaker 1: A big cmb guy huge actually we're? Both what did

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WE say.

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Speaker 2: We were both CMB guys we Were not, cmb, on

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the raptors guys right.

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Speaker 3: And we're gonna get. There, we're gonna get there yeah.

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Because honestly we were wrong but that wasn't. As much

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of rapturous issue that Was Just A question of calin

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murray boyles being so good.

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Speaker 1: That he isn't. Really. Matter.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't matter YEAH yeah the other guy i Didn't

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Want to HIGHLIGHT is drake powell that i don't, know

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IF he was considered just i don't know a ton

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of THESE guys. COMING into the nba Anyway I just

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go off summer. LEAGUE for the most part i don't,

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know if he was considered and he was the one

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who didn't play, IN summer league for them i don't

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know if he was considered. Their SECOND most intriguing prospect

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and i do wonder how many minutes Is He getting

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if the cam thomas injury Kind Of never happens and.

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Speaker 1: Ben surroff doesn't.

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Speaker 2: Fade early that dude tries so, HARD on the defensive

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end i would not be Shocked If he made an

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all defense team by the. Time his career is over

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we're gonna have to see if he gives you. Enough,

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offense but he is yeah he. Is on, people light glue,

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he's fine like navigating, screens you can move like he

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can do stuff where he's switching away from the ball to,

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and he's not super huge but he looks to me

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like someone who could really guard up and he made

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he will make life on comfortable for, anyone who has

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the ball anyone, who doesn't have the ball who's trying.

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TO run around the floor i don't know. What he,

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IS just yet on offense i think that we've seen

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some he shooting, okay on drives this year but very

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low volume kind of. HIT or miss from three I

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that's the one where, i, look at and Say okay

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they might have you look, at EVERYONE else they drafted,

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and i think you're wondering do they have a two.

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Speaker 1: Way prospect in.

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Speaker 3: The mad yeah they, do it's him and yeah and

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surprisingly so because again ONE of these guys who i

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thought was, going to, take a while highly athletic very

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MUCH not THAT.

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Speaker 1: Refined as, u and c you know, was getting plenty

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of minutes.

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Speaker 3: Not really, providing a lot of production like he was

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pretty sure horned into like a defensive minded set role

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and you were you didn't really feel comfortable whenever he.

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Had to do more offensively i'm not sure how many

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of these guys just because of THE increased spacing at

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the nba level and they come in, and they just

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show more whether that's a thing or if he just

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basically spend the, entire Summer going OH yeah. NOW i'm

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an nba player i have to be able to score

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points in order to actually MAINTAIN my. Status as an nba,

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player but he looks. Better he looks more comfortable it's,

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a really small sample. Size only Seven Games played so

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like i'm i'm hoping there's a, level of, SUSTAINABILITY here

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because like you i, THINK he's Intriguing at, least I just,

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i'm excited, but i'm not you know as Excited at,

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that point, where i'm like oh yeah like this this

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was the guy, They should have picked. EARLIER like at Twenty,

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two i think he's. Yeah he's a fair pick he

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might be the only, one, where, you can say oh

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yeah this justifies the position and like this justifies the draft,

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WITH praise, there.

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Speaker 1: Right, yeah i KNOW sorry well because they i, on

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that DRAFT at all which.

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Speaker 2: IS i think that's fair i look at him as

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just he's, probably because for me anyway the expectations. Were

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so muted coming in he might be The prospect from

470
00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:01,599
them that, i've been most excited about but it also

471
00:22:01,759 --> 00:22:03,759
just it came without a, ton of, BACKGROUND on it

472
00:22:03,799 --> 00:22:06,920
so right i, guess, the bigger question is though is

473
00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:11,279
it concerning that? They have these five rookies it's kind

474
00:22:11,319 --> 00:22:13,559
of really only worth, focusing on two of them right

475
00:22:13,599 --> 00:22:14,519
when you're looking at.

476
00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:15,720
Speaker 1: Their play on the court.

477
00:22:15,799 --> 00:22:18,039
Speaker 2: Or how much they've played how big of a concern

478
00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:19,039
is that when we are so.

479
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:23,079
Speaker 1: Early on, IN this, process for you i mean you.

480
00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:28,319
Speaker 3: Draft five, guys in, THE first round and look, i

481
00:22:28,319 --> 00:22:31,880
don't want to simplify but the highest point total of

482
00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:35,799
any one of them is seven points per game on

483
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:40,079
a team that is just so drastically need, of people

484
00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:42,680
to do something be that just. Something as, simple as

485
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,920
scoring like you just none of these guys so far.

486
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,519
Has stepped into a role none of these guys not

487
00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:53,519
really at least like, YOU can you can argue i

488
00:22:53,559 --> 00:22:57,000
guess you, can argue that they have and where, the,

489
00:22:57,079 --> 00:22:59,880
team is intentionally saying hey look we're not going to

490
00:23:00,039 --> 00:23:03,240
throw you into the fire at forty minutes, thirty five minutes,

491
00:23:03,279 --> 00:23:06,279
PER night which you know i see the advantages of,

492
00:23:06,319 --> 00:23:09,880
that to a certain extent but this where some of

493
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,839
them are barely playing and where you can't rely on,

494
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,279
them to hit a shot or where there are a

495
00:23:15,279 --> 00:23:20,000
lot of. Defensive and even offensive inconsistencies LIKE there's a.

496
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,359
Speaker 1: Reason that, I. Didn't like their draft dan it was all.

497
00:23:23,519 --> 00:23:27,880
Speaker 3: Very much upside upside upside there wasn't really a thorough

498
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,920
baseline on any one. Of THESE guys coming in and

499
00:23:31,039 --> 00:23:33,400
i can respect to some extent that they were swinging

500
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,799
for the FENCES and saying upside like i, generally don't

501
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:42,119
hate that mindset but during, the actual ceasing last year when,

502
00:23:42,279 --> 00:23:45,920
everyone was looking at them you were questioning the. Long

503
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,759
term effects, as well you were questioning what is? This

504
00:23:48,799 --> 00:23:51,960
guy in five years? What is this ultimate, potential so

505
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:56,640
my ultimate Fear and, that's probably why i'm skeptical is

506
00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:00,279
that these guys are only going to get so want.

507
00:24:00,319 --> 00:24:03,000
Better and not drastically, BETTER and God damn. It i

508
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:03,920
hope i'm wrong.

509
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:05,440
Speaker 1: That's a.

510
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 2: Good way to frame it they just have so Many

511
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,279
guys to where it's but there are some guys who are,

512
00:24:11,279 --> 00:24:13,200
playing a Ton Of Minutes like a michael porter junior

513
00:24:13,319 --> 00:24:15,799
or a ton Of, Minutes Relative, TO the nets nick

514
00:24:15,839 --> 00:24:20,279
claxton i think some people, could push back and say

515
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,319
and you, mentioned this a little bit they're gonna. Bring

516
00:24:23,319 --> 00:24:26,359
them along more slowly maybe we'll see them unleash these.

517
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:28,720
Guys At the trade deadline the nets are not a

518
00:24:28,759 --> 00:24:30,839
team where you're sitting there saying we need to wait

519
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,079
until the trade deadline, to roll these guys out unless

520
00:24:33,079 --> 00:24:37,279
you're really Your Mission Is, To Showcase, Michael Porter junior

521
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:41,559
nick claxton terrence man and so, It COULD be problematic

522
00:24:41,599 --> 00:24:44,519
there but i like the way that you Finish that

523
00:24:44,599 --> 00:24:47,160
to where if i'm watching all these Guys based off the,

524
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,480
possessions I've seen FROM them and i've seen I Fell,

525
00:24:49,519 --> 00:24:51,160
in LOVE with drake powell so I Watch. A lot

526
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:54,400
of drake powell now HE'S actually the only one i look,

527
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:56,920
AT so far and say i think. He'll get A

528
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,119
lot better and that's i Might Just be higher on

529
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,440
yegor joeman baseline, than you to begin with but. That

530
00:25:02,519 --> 00:25:05,960
could be potentially problematic, i'm, less CONCERNED than you though

531
00:25:06,039 --> 00:25:08,559
because I do think that the nets will get a

532
00:25:08,559 --> 00:25:10,599
little bit more. Creative as we, move forward, if they

533
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,799
don't you know if we're. Getting past the trade deminer

534
00:25:13,799 --> 00:25:16,720
we finished the Season and we're still having we're wondering

535
00:25:16,759 --> 00:25:19,359
what three or four of these rookies could look. Like, with,

536
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,559
heavier rotation minutes then yeah there's, there's, a big issue

537
00:25:22,559 --> 00:25:24,920
there right who's?

538
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:28,839
Speaker 1: Your next, ROOKIE slash team.

539
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:31,640
Speaker 3: Oh well i mean, We Kind Of, teased him colin

540
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:35,079
murray boyles we GOT to. GO into, some, CMB man

541
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,839
i mean look i think we were fair in being

542
00:25:39,279 --> 00:25:41,839
worried About will he play in toronto because of. All

543
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:46,119
the forwards, and, Whatnot he basically said Yeah I'm gonna

544
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:49,160
find minutes, wherever i'm. Gonna end up. Doesn't matter i'm

545
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,279
too GOOD and the fact that, i know it's LOW

546
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:56,000
volume he's only taken. I. WANT to make sure okay

547
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,279
i actually thought it was, more only eighteen to three

548
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:01,160
so it's. Even A smaller samples thought.

549
00:26:00,759 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 2: And i think, the thing with him too is that

550
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,039
that sample size is propped up on two games of

551
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:07,400
he made like a.

552
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,279
Speaker 1: Good number, of his threes.

553
00:26:09,079 --> 00:26:11,440
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah One of them against the spurs where he

554
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,319
Actually just pulled up on wemby a couple, of times and, trained,

555
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:15,480
it which was Like Okay.

556
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 2: The the injured victor webenyama we might add it's gonna

557
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,000
miss a few WEEKS with. A with a caf, strain.

558
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 1: Oh has come out he's going to. Miss. A couple

559
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,680
of weeks yep scham's just actually reported a few. Minutes

560
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,680
ago as. We're, RECORDING oh that's.

561
00:26:27,759 --> 00:26:31,839
Speaker 2: Unfortunate yeah i can see but but it'll be interesting

562
00:26:32,599 --> 00:26:34,880
because now we just Get A, ton of who luke

563
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,359
Cornett We'll see some maybe bismack biambo is. Going to

564
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,279
get some run now that's that's why we tune in. For, The,

565
00:26:39,279 --> 00:26:40,119
spurs more.

566
00:26:40,839 --> 00:26:45,160
Speaker 1: Right, YEAH no. THAT'S unfortunate yeah i. Was i was

567
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,319
being physic, there's no, blessing in disguise.

568
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 3: You know not just ha leak source said he would be. Reevaluating, two,

569
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,279
to three weeks, yeah which by the way it's a

570
00:26:53,279 --> 00:26:55,640
SELFISH thing for me because i had HIM. Ask my

571
00:26:55,759 --> 00:26:59,359
m v p so this is probably going to just circle.

572
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,039
That third down, The drain so ALL right.

573
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,759
Speaker 2: And because this i was mentioning this to people, WHEN

574
00:27:05,799 --> 00:27:07,839
they were asking me, i, got Text messages. About oh

575
00:27:07,839 --> 00:27:11,599
g annobe's injury. Oh it's only two weeks. Reevaluated does

576
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,119
not mean back it means. We will get an update,

577
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,839
in two to three weeks and THAT'S what's concerning so

578
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,799
man i the discourse around him is gonna suck if

579
00:27:21,799 --> 00:27:25,519
he ends up not qualifying for, awards trying to scale

580
00:27:25,519 --> 00:27:26,839
ahead the discourse around him.

581
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 1: Is going, to absolutely suck.

582
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,559
Speaker 3: Oh yeah like The defensive, Pert, of the. Year thing

583
00:27:30,799 --> 00:27:35,400
yeah big TIME the calf strain, span i do love

584
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:39,599
though that seems are looking, at that now going yeah

585
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:43,279
if That's a, Precursor to an achilles tear we're gonna

586
00:27:43,319 --> 00:27:45,720
opt for the two to, three weeks at least initially.

587
00:27:45,759 --> 00:27:48,400
AND then reevaluate from there i. Have no issues, with

588
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:49,279
that that is no.

589
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:53,039
Speaker 2: You have to be cautious but it's the spurs looking

590
00:27:53,079 --> 00:27:56,279
when he's on the floor like a formidable contender. Maybe

591
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:58,880
or CLOSE to it and then i guess at least

592
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,680
with this time you ARE able, To Explore.

593
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 1: The i mean dylan harper, is STILL banged up.

594
00:28:03,559 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 2: Too but i, mean Just Looking at uh the aaron

595
00:28:06,279 --> 00:28:08,599
fox backs like you could run more stuff and. See

596
00:28:08,599 --> 00:28:10,599
what he looks like we also apparently can't get A

597
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,240
Consistent sample With the aaron fox and victor webanyama is

598
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,119
it is not meant. TO be, at this point i.

599
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,920
Mean LOOK it'll happen eventually but i do Think. This

600
00:28:19,039 --> 00:28:21,960
is good For Fox This is poor colin murray boyles

601
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:23,519
taking up back seats Of suddenly talking.

602
00:28:23,559 --> 00:28:25,519
Speaker 1: About the. Spurs full time stamp it you can skip

603
00:28:25,519 --> 00:28:25,880
ahead to.

604
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:31,160
Speaker 2: The conference conference rookie episodes missing three weeks is a

605
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:32,039
big deal when you look At.

606
00:28:32,039 --> 00:28:33,880
Speaker 1: The LANDSCAPE of the west so i.

607
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 2: Guess Get ready for more jeremy sohan at center is

608
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:37,559
is what.

609
00:28:37,559 --> 00:28:38,359
Speaker 1: We should be bracing.

610
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 3: For, oh, that, that's, DISGUSTING YEAH OKAY yeah NO i

611
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,319
i I Need i need Some luke Cornette And some

612
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:46,720
kelly o.

613
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,799
Speaker 1: Linic, Center, MINUTES if anything now look.

614
00:28:51,039 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 3: I will say This, opens up something For Fox. But

615
00:28:54,079 --> 00:28:59,319
also for stefan castle he's been pretty. Good to start,

616
00:28:59,359 --> 00:29:00,720
the year he's been very very. GOOD to start the

617
00:29:00,799 --> 00:29:03,279
year i know. The shooting concerns. Are real they're very.

618
00:29:03,319 --> 00:29:06,960
Real it's a major issue but name me a guy who.

619
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:11,440
LIKE he does EVERYTHING else i Think He's i Still Have,

620
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,839
Alman THOMPSON over stefan castle but i think the gap

621
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,880
that people are talking about is not as big as

622
00:29:19,039 --> 00:29:22,559
they make It out as like he's they're, in somewhat

623
00:29:22,559 --> 00:29:25,839
That same conversation LIKE the. Defense is something i trust

624
00:29:25,839 --> 00:29:26,680
the all around play.

625
00:29:26,839 --> 00:29:27,079
Speaker 1: Just came.

626
00:29:27,119 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 3: OUT of nothing the playmaking i didn't think he had

627
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,039
that level of court vision. That HE'S displayed this year

628
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,079
so i mean this could be an interesting Couple of

629
00:29:36,119 --> 00:29:38,799
weeks for, the spurs, to basically See All right let's

630
00:29:38,799 --> 00:29:41,480
get daron, fox into A Certain flow let's get stefan.

631
00:29:41,559 --> 00:29:43,119
Castle into a certain Flow.

632
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,519
Speaker 2: To Your point about victor wmer yama being out and

633
00:29:45,559 --> 00:29:48,759
being able to, GET these other Guys more i guess

634
00:29:48,759 --> 00:29:50,559
on ball, looks or into, a flow as you said

635
00:29:50,599 --> 00:29:52,759
at some point you want everybody to, get into, a

636
00:29:52,799 --> 00:29:56,400
float together of course and and just the lack of.

637
00:29:57,039 --> 00:29:59,839
SAMPLE'S eye with everyone available i, know it's Still Early

638
00:30:00,119 --> 00:30:02,880
season but now dearon Fox has been on the spurs.

639
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,960
For over a half year technically they're not, playing games,

640
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,000
that entire time of course, just kind.

641
00:30:07,839 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 1: Of a.

642
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:12,119
Speaker 2: Bummer major bummer major bummer can, We, GET to calamary

643
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:12,839
boyle sir.

644
00:30:12,799 --> 00:30:17,319
Speaker 3: I would love to know the defense as, If we

645
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:21,480
ever questioned it really like that has been impressive for

646
00:30:21,599 --> 00:30:24,279
a twenty year old rookie who's had to play a

647
00:30:24,319 --> 00:30:28,960
lot out of position and who is undersized even if.

648
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,200
He was playing the, four he's only six seven so,

649
00:30:31,319 --> 00:30:34,839
like he's not that big but. The motor is just

650
00:30:35,119 --> 00:30:39,359
uncanny the passing ankles are, there like he's the. Again

651
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:43,880
almost like kankin nipple the raw cyst total doesn't represent.

652
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,359
His value as a passer he's really good at. Just

653
00:30:47,559 --> 00:30:49,880
making the right passes he snaps the ball back and

654
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:55,480
forth quickly on the perimeter in. BASICALLY ever set their running.

655
00:30:56,039 --> 00:30:58,480
I just love his composure he's. Not afraid to take

656
00:30:58,519 --> 00:31:03,039
shots this is a team than when they eventually figure

657
00:31:03,039 --> 00:31:05,880
out what they're gonna do on the wing and not

658
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,160
have like three wings start and they get, rid OF

659
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,079
one of them which i have to assume is going

660
00:31:11,079 --> 00:31:12,000
to be for a guard or.

661
00:31:12,039 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 1: A center.

662
00:31:12,519 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 3: DOWN the line i am i am going to love

663
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:19,039
to see him step into like a thirty. MINUTE role,

664
00:31:19,079 --> 00:31:22,480
At the four i yeah i'm, just waiting, for his.

665
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,000
Like you know official arrival.

666
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:27,039
Speaker 1: I've liked, how.

667
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,079
Speaker 2: They've used him too because he's listed in the center.

668
00:31:30,119 --> 00:31:31,759
In a lot of lineups but some of those lineups

669
00:31:31,759 --> 00:31:33,759
he's listed in A center and he's with Mammu On

670
00:31:33,799 --> 00:31:35,799
the court and scotty barnes. On the court AS well

671
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,000
that's the trio i would Like to see more of

672
00:31:38,119 --> 00:31:39,680
i've only seen, a LITTLE bit of it and i

673
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:43,160
went and looked they've. Played sub twenty minutes together they're

674
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:44,119
allowing point.

675
00:31:44,039 --> 00:31:45,759
Speaker 1: Ninety four points per possession when.

676
00:31:45,759 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 2: They're on the floor together that has the potential to,

677
00:31:48,279 --> 00:31:52,559
be you're trying To Juggle so like putting calmary boils

678
00:31:52,599 --> 00:31:54,480
in a situation to where it doesn't feel like, he's

679
00:31:54,559 --> 00:31:57,000
undersized where he's playing but you don't want to give up.

680
00:31:57,039 --> 00:31:59,640
Too much On either end and with, mamu's the idea

681
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,279
of hiscing even the stuff he. Could do as A

682
00:32:01,359 --> 00:32:04,119
Driver we know what scotty. Barnes is at this point

683
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:08,200
just a spectacular player. Both ends of the court that's

684
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,599
a trio that intrigues me being able. To flesh out

685
00:32:10,839 --> 00:32:12,960
from there it's been kind of a bummer because a

686
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,039
lot Of the games minutes that i've seen where he's

687
00:32:16,079 --> 00:32:18,960
in i'll call IT His Core lineup WITH rj ingram.

688
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,160
Barnes and i think quickly the results on that. Lineup

689
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,440
have not been great they've been hammered in the minutes,

690
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,640
that they've played together STATISTICALLY, but when you watch cmb

691
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,599
they're figuring out ways to use him even when it

692
00:32:30,839 --> 00:32:34,200
feels as if the context of the personnel that he's,

693
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,119
with doesn't necessarily make sense the screening for. Him is

694
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,799
already really good we, see you mentioned the passing like

695
00:32:39,839 --> 00:32:41,559
being able to make decisions out of the short role

696
00:32:41,599 --> 00:32:44,519
even if the assist. Numbers Don't immediately show it and

697
00:32:44,559 --> 00:32:47,279
i'll JUST say THIS is another i Know I, said

698
00:32:47,559 --> 00:32:49,920
THIS about drake powell but I really mean it With

699
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,240
cmb to where IT'S i'm not gonna say i wouldn't

700
00:32:53,279 --> 00:32:55,440
be surprised if he. MADE an all defense team i

701
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,839
want to know how many all. Defense teams he's gonna

702
00:32:57,839 --> 00:33:00,559
make that's THE, question for me with cmb because he

703
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,640
is able to just blow things up from basically. Every

704
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,559
spot on the floor it kind, OF feels like right now.

705
00:33:07,559 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 3: I wouldn't, Be surprised if the, raptures Like if this

706
00:33:10,519 --> 00:33:14,440
experiment and i'm not, saying that, there's cost to you.

707
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,680
Know tear it all, Down they're eight and five they've

708
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:18,680
had a good start to. The year all things considered

709
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,200
but if it doesn't work and they do eventually have

710
00:33:23,319 --> 00:33:27,359
to press, the big red reset button and if they're

711
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,480
looking to acquire more draft picks or whatever and They,

712
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,160
Can't Get. That from kram barnes barrett and if they

713
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,640
don't believe wills to. Be like a key piece there

714
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,640
are a lot of teams already trying to win, now

715
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:40,240
that could use him despite.

716
00:33:40,279 --> 00:33:41,359
Speaker 1: THE fact that he's twenty.

717
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,519
Speaker 2: I do find it interesting you're you've mentioned it a couple,

718
00:33:44,559 --> 00:33:46,240
of times now about oh are they going to need

719
00:33:46,279 --> 00:33:48,400
to make. The reset, button or changes they're like they're

720
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,920
kind of rolling right now the top top five.

721
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 1: NET rating, and.

722
00:33:52,759 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 3: We'll see i mean THIS is a team that. I

723
00:33:55,000 --> 00:34:00,039
had some questions about. I Think you did too the

724
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,839
scottie barn stuff is interesting to me because if that,

725
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:08,519
shot is, real this year that changes. That changes so

726
00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:11,960
many things that's been the one thing from my perspective.

727
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,800
That he's just been missing i've been looking at him

728
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,960
as this new age entree iguodala that, As Opposed. To

729
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,599
you know scottie pippam and and if that shot comes

730
00:34:21,599 --> 00:34:24,840
around and, he can, be you, know, better offensively more,

731
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:29,039
efficient offensively more versatile offensively that'll have a huge.

732
00:34:29,159 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 1: Ripple.

733
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,199
Speaker 3: Effect, on everyone else oh Also It's nice to see

734
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,320
manuel quickly is. Actually having a pulse again that's. NICE like,

735
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:35,840
to see that i.

736
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 2: Mean that's big for, them The look it is the

737
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,599
raptors on paper were built to be pesky if, they

738
00:34:41,679 --> 00:34:44,360
hit on Some things and right now i'm not gonna.

739
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,719
Say they Hit on everything but if, emmanuel quickly is

740
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,239
coming along You're Getting this version of scottie barnes who.

741
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:54,039
Shooting over Forty on threes it, does it wasn't last?

742
00:34:54,079 --> 00:34:54,559
Speaker 1: Season was?

743
00:34:54,559 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 2: It twenty three twenty four didn't it feel like we

744
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:57,880
were kind of having a little. Bit of the same

745
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:01,360
discussion he starts, off the season From. Deep kind of

746
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:05,239
like gangbusters but we'll. SEE if, this keeps Up i

747
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,800
mean what's probably do you view this as encouraging or

748
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,679
not that he's actually shooting a higher percentage on his

749
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,000
self created threes than.

750
00:35:12,039 --> 00:35:15,760
Speaker 1: HIS catch and shoot threes i, think that's. A good sign, isn't,

751
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:17,000
IT you would.

752
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 2: Think yeah i think, yes, because you you assume okay

753
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,239
he's going to shoot better than thirty six point one.

754
00:35:21,639 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 1: ON catch and. Shoot threes i.

755
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,639
Speaker 3: Would assume so, it's interesting by, the way when you

756
00:35:25,679 --> 00:35:28,079
say like, the hit, on several things you know just

757
00:35:28,119 --> 00:35:32,280
the Fact That they Hid on, murray boyle's and mamu alone.

758
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:33,760
Speaker 1: THOSE two were major.

759
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,199
Speaker 3: Additions i mean that is something that flies on, the

760
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:37,480
radar a little bit LIKE what?

761
00:35:37,519 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 1: Did what? Did? Mamu get was it? That? WAS it

762
00:35:39,519 --> 00:35:43,679
the minimum. Right i think, It, was he. Might have

763
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,079
yeah it wasn't he didn't. GET a. TON of money

764
00:35:46,079 --> 00:35:48,079
i don't i don't remember exactly why he's signing two.

765
00:35:48,159 --> 00:35:51,119
Speaker 3: Point four million this year so it's practically the minimum

766
00:35:51,159 --> 00:35:54,079
one point. Six percent of the cap like when you hit,

767
00:35:54,199 --> 00:35:56,239
on a guy like that and you also get a

768
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,880
guy in from the draft who is that good defensively

769
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:03,440
at the age of, twenty and you. You're, healthy that also,

770
00:36:03,519 --> 00:36:08,639
Matters yeah it's. It's huge it's absolutely huge good on the. Raptures,

771
00:36:08,679 --> 00:36:09,559
LIKE we needed.

772
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 2: This YEAH I, think what is cmb like what is

773
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,400
the Swing skill that would? Make is it just shooting,

774
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:19,960
is the oversimplified to say what's the swing skill that?

775
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:25,639
Would turn him? Into caliber is, IT oversimplifying if it's true.

776
00:36:26,599 --> 00:36:28,920
I THINK it is true but i feel a lot

777
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,199
of people, get, annoyed when it's just oh we'll have,

778
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,119
to see if he's shooting holder if he can can

779
00:36:33,119 --> 00:36:34,920
he bring up the three point volume or. Be more

780
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,920
CONSISTENT from there but what i think is important about

781
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:41,480
that is if you don't want to play, him As your, actual,

782
00:36:41,559 --> 00:36:43,760
five Where i'm saying okay, no MoMu on the front no.

783
00:36:44,199 --> 00:36:46,360
Other big on the four he needs to be able

784
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:50,840
to take PROBABLY what a minimum of i would say

785
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:51,679
four to.

786
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 1: Five threes per thirty? Six?

787
00:36:53,679 --> 00:36:58,079
Speaker 3: Is, that too low slightly probably especially as the. League,

788
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:03,960
KEEPS increasing, that, range well i mean look if people are,

789
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,239
gonna think that's too. SIMPLISTIC we can dig. Deeper i

790
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,599
don't know why it's like sometimes people just have to

791
00:37:10,639 --> 00:37:13,320
accept that the best answer at times. Can't be a

792
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:18,639
simple one but if we are to go deeper buildings

793
00:37:18,639 --> 00:37:20,320
to get to the free throw. LINE more would be.

794
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:24,280
Nice i wouldn't hate, that just. HE'S a, huge wide

795
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,360
body i mean he's not tall, compared to where, he

796
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,960
plays but. Like that he's insanely muscular he's got what

797
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,320
a two hundred and fifty pound frame. Or, something along,

798
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,079
those lines yeah utilize it, get to the.

799
00:37:36,119 --> 00:37:38,599
Speaker 1: Paint. PROFILES hit free throws.

800
00:37:38,599 --> 00:37:40,199
Speaker 2: Yeah i mean he's getting to. The rim quite a

801
00:37:40,199 --> 00:37:41,920
bit his finishing. Has gotten a little better it was

802
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,480
pretty low at. The BEGINNING of the season so i,

803
00:37:44,519 --> 00:37:47,519
don't have any major concerns which is why default to

804
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,360
the shooting, and if you want yeah and if you want,

805
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,639
it to look and say what do we make of

806
00:37:52,639 --> 00:37:54,599
this ample size or of the ebbs and flows to

807
00:37:54,599 --> 00:37:58,159
where there's, two games carrying the percentage it's very encouraging

808
00:37:58,199 --> 00:38:01,440
that this isn't someone who is. Milking it off the corners.

809
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,039
He's hitting an arc threes he's seven or fourteen on arc.

810
00:38:04,079 --> 00:38:05,639
Threes As we're recording.

811
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 1: This so i'm gonna.

812
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 2: Ask You too overarching questions then i'm gonna. Let's make

813
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,159
this Straight Up do you think calinary Boyles Will ever?

814
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 1: Make? AN all star. Team YEAH i think so then

815
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:19,000
i guess.

816
00:38:19,039 --> 00:38:20,599
Speaker 2: The ANSWER to your question if i set the over

817
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:24,440
Under on the Number Of all defense teams calamary boyles

818
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,119
makes for his, career one and a half will you take,

819
00:38:27,119 --> 00:38:27,599
The over of the.

820
00:38:27,679 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 1: Under i'm gonna go. Over i'm gonna go.

821
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:33,119
Speaker 2: Over I'm gonna go over and i'm also just gonna

822
00:38:33,119 --> 00:38:35,239
guess that, before he finishes his Career We have a,

823
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,480
third all defense team anyway which would make it a little.

824
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 1: Bit. Easier, to go over.

825
00:38:39,119 --> 00:38:42,280
Speaker 3: YEAH like and part of i will say some of

826
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,119
my logic is also associated with the fact that there

827
00:38:45,159 --> 00:38:50,159
are injuries and, there's the threshold of games like some

828
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:50,880
people are just.

829
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 1: Not gonna, make that threshold so no he can. Get in.

830
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:55,559
THAT way, too.

831
00:38:57,159 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 2: That's fair i mean it's not gonna, happen this season

832
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,960
anyway regardless but Very. Nice pickup for the rappers let's.

833
00:39:03,039 --> 00:39:06,480
Go to it's My Turn let's talk About Trey, johnson

834
00:39:06,519 --> 00:39:08,920
of the washington wizards who you caused quite a. FUR

835
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:13,159
when you compared, HIM i would say to i wouldn't

836
00:39:13,199 --> 00:39:15,719
say to You Did compare him to jordan hawkins for

837
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:17,639
some reason of one of your most.

838
00:39:17,639 --> 00:39:20,199
Speaker 1: Outlandish, takes on this podcast well see, that.

839
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:25,320
Speaker 3: Is LACKING in nuance sir what i said was, that

840
00:39:25,639 --> 00:39:30,119
coming into the league he had a very similar disposition

841
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:34,400
and shot Profile And. Analytics bas AS jordan. Hawkins THAT'S

842
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,039
what i, said what, i said was, and people if

843
00:39:37,039 --> 00:39:40,559
they're upset THEY should, also note that i said there's

844
00:39:40,599 --> 00:39:43,599
A Spectrum here That's Called. Jordan hawkins and, ray allen

845
00:39:44,639 --> 00:39:49,159
BY the. Way, That's, what i, SAID said yeah.

846
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,320
Speaker 2: Go ahead i was just gonna say you, also the thing,

847
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,239
that said as you said he's, not necessarily a good

848
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,639
shooter which was one like the thing that he was

849
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,960
known for coming in and has been pretty good.

850
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:00,280
Speaker 1: Shooter, WHEN they've GIVEN him.

851
00:40:00,159 --> 00:40:02,079
Speaker 3: Though i Thought I, said That About. Jordan hawkins not

852
00:40:02,119 --> 00:40:03,079
TREY johnson.

853
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 2: Oh maybe maybe i misheard you If, You, were TALKING about.

854
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,760
Jordan well maybe i misspoke like people are upset At That.

855
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:11,159
Because THAT'S that's jordan hawkins was i remember saying something

856
00:40:11,159 --> 00:40:13,280
along the line sheets, A, shooter who Doesn't Shoot WELL

857
00:40:13,639 --> 00:40:16,280
that was jordan, hawkins I Was. REFERRING to not trey

858
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:19,360
johnson i haven't, had the OPINION at, least so if.

859
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,440
I misspoke that's on me i haven't had the Opinion

860
00:40:22,519 --> 00:40:25,199
At any point that trey. Johnson WAS a bad shooter,

861
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,719
what i, am asking is you know in, terms of

862
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,039
the broader, Question, We're just asking questions dan that's what

863
00:40:31,079 --> 00:40:34,599
you're always saying is does he have the ability to

864
00:40:34,679 --> 00:40:39,519
attach volume to? A high, Level of, Efficiency so far i'm,

865
00:40:39,599 --> 00:40:43,880
Encouraged like through thirteen Games I'm not. DOWN on trey

866
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:48,199
johnson whatsoever i still have questions as to which side

867
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,519
of the f wore mentioned spectrum. He's gonna fall out

868
00:40:50,519 --> 00:40:53,239
on but like it's Becoming Less and less of, jordan

869
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:54,480
hawkins every single day.

870
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:56,320
Speaker 1: WHICH is a Good Sign.

871
00:40:57,519 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 2: I never, SAW jordan, hawkins in him i think and

872
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:03,280
not all, of it has come together but there's a lot.

873
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 1: Of on ball stuff there i'd like to see him.

874
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:07,599
Speaker 2: Get to the basket more and the part of this

875
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,519
is Just his role with the wizards is not going to.

876
00:41:10,559 --> 00:41:13,400
NECESSARILY allow it right now i think they've done a. Good,

877
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,480
job of MIXING in okay he's gonna, i don't wanna

878
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,400
call freelance but he, will work on the ball try

879
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,239
and get those self created jumpers. Up that he wants

880
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:22,559
to but he's come in, AND he's to his credit

881
00:41:22,599 --> 00:41:24,400
i think he's done a good job of playing off

882
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,960
other people and over thirty seven percent from. Three is

883
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,079
a great number he's at over forty percent. ON his

884
00:41:31,559 --> 00:41:34,320
catch and shoots i don't see anything like HE'S take

885
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,119
some shots that i don't like when, he's working off

886
00:41:36,159 --> 00:41:38,880
the dribble but forty two percent on pull up twos

887
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:42,000
at the moment. Is probably fine for me i'm curious

888
00:41:42,079 --> 00:41:44,639
to see what he can do if.

889
00:41:44,519 --> 00:41:45,199
Speaker 1: You want to put.

890
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 2: HIM on the ball more i think you are going

891
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,159
to need more from. Him AS an overall passer and

892
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,360
i don't know if he's someone that you want running

893
00:41:54,199 --> 00:41:59,079
more methodical offense just, yet or necessarily maybe ever but

894
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,960
you want that to be you want, the answer to

895
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,440
be yes because that's going TO be the way that

896
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,679
i think could. Really open up his game he's only

897
00:42:06,679 --> 00:42:09,639
passing on twenty two percent. Of his drives right now that,

898
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:12,159
Is An incredibly low number so i'd like to see.

899
00:42:12,199 --> 00:42:14,079
More OF that from him but i also recognize when

900
00:42:14,079 --> 00:42:16,519
You're In the role that trey johnson is a lot

901
00:42:16,559 --> 00:42:17,719
of that stuff is especially if you're.

902
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:19,320
Speaker 1: Working away from the ball they.

903
00:42:19,159 --> 00:42:21,679
Speaker 2: Want this dude, to score, and there's YEAH there's, good

904
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:24,079
there's a i mean this is. A compliment to this

905
00:42:24,199 --> 00:42:27,559
part there's a heavy fluidity to the WAY he moves

906
00:42:27,599 --> 00:42:29,360
to where i feel like if, this if he gets

907
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,440
stronger like he's not gonna make a ton of sense

908
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:34,400
on the. Ball in a good way and. Some of

909
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,360
the he hasn't he's taken, eight shots at the rim which.

910
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,000
Is just way too low but like some of just

911
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,800
the fluidity with the way he's going to use the,

912
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:44,920
the angles around the basket or you're just looking at

913
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:46,400
the way that he uses his hands when he's.

914
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,519
Speaker 1: Going to try and finish i'm a big believer in

915
00:42:49,559 --> 00:42:49,840
what he.

916
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 2: Could become as a scorer to where it's if we

917
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,199
look back and say he's at least a hyper efficient

918
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:58,159
two level scorer who can sometimes, do things at the.

919
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:01,280
Rim MAYBE in certain, Lineups but i DON'T know and

920
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,880
this is i think people were prepared for the answer.

921
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:07,039
TO be no on this i don't know if he can,

922
00:43:07,119 --> 00:43:09,840
be a LEAD ball handler even though i think his.

923
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:12,920
BALL handling will be fine i don't view him as

924
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:17,440
someone just yet or can he drive the offense for

925
00:43:17,599 --> 00:43:20,679
others at a high enough clip and. Maybe in the

926
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:23,480
secondary units but if we're looking, and, trying to figure

927
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:25,320
out well who's gonna be The floor general of the

928
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,119
wizards for the, FUTURE in the starting lineup i, don't

929
00:43:28,519 --> 00:43:31,119
VIEW that as him, but i do, view him and

930
00:43:31,159 --> 00:43:34,119
like now when you get into that territory of guys

931
00:43:34,159 --> 00:43:38,119
we say that about their value starts to get Muddied

932
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,360
to where people don't he's not, comparing him To This

933
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,559
player but The Cam, thomas is the andnthony simons it

934
00:43:44,639 --> 00:43:49,039
feels like perception of. Them has never been lower there's

935
00:43:49,639 --> 00:43:51,920
he he seems more likely to Turn out to be

936
00:43:52,519 --> 00:43:55,880
A tyler hero or even i just don't see the.

937
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:57,679
Passing there yet from him but like some of the

938
00:43:57,679 --> 00:43:59,000
stuff he can do with the ball in his.

939
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 1: Hands And Away, from it a vian booker but maybe

940
00:44:01,519 --> 00:44:01,840
A Worse.

941
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:05,119
Speaker 2: PASSING version of devin, booker i really like him but

942
00:44:05,679 --> 00:44:07,599
the question for me coming in is the, same QUESTION

943
00:44:07,599 --> 00:44:09,239
it wasn't now as i don't know what to make

944
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:12,920
of him, as a on ball facilitator even if you're

945
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:16,039
talking about the, second Facilitator on a team and i'm

946
00:44:16,079 --> 00:44:21,119
hoping we get a Metric Ton of evidence post all

947
00:44:21,119 --> 00:44:23,400
star break on what or post trade deadline.

948
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 1: On what that looks LIKE.

949
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:28,159
Speaker 3: Are we sure that nba teams are as low on

950
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:31,039
guys who are, primarily off ball players though because Like

951
00:44:31,079 --> 00:44:33,639
When you're Talking About, cam thomas and anthony simons these

952
00:44:33,639 --> 00:44:35,800
guys also spend plenty of time on the ball taking,

953
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:39,840
Away posessions from other. Players and that sounded negative, that's

954
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,199
not like by intent but like when you handle the

955
00:44:42,199 --> 00:44:45,519
ball a lot and, you initiate your own offense. It does,

956
00:44:45,559 --> 00:44:49,480
squeeze the, clock it does you know make you somewhat.

957
00:44:49,519 --> 00:44:54,239
More Of An, isolation case, if trey johnson theoretically speaking

958
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,920
Just Leans into like a klay thompson type of, Shot

959
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:00,840
profile where, you Know i'm play finisher but i'm a

960
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,639
perimeter play Finisher and that's. Basically all i'm gonna do,

961
00:45:04,119 --> 00:45:05,920
But at the same time i'm gonna be freaking. A

962
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,480
leite at it is is that a bad, thing because

963
00:45:09,519 --> 00:45:12,119
as we know guys who shoot the ball, in catch

964
00:45:12,159 --> 00:45:15,360
and shoot situations who don't, spend a lot of time

965
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,679
who don't have a, high usage rate that, well like

966
00:45:18,199 --> 00:45:22,559
they're low. Turnover they're usually high efficient what they're really being.

967
00:45:22,559 --> 00:45:25,199
Asked to do is defend like if you can hit

968
00:45:25,199 --> 00:45:27,760
the three ball and, you could do so efficiently you

969
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:29,400
don't turn the ball over and you can. Offend at

970
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:34,159
a good LEVEL it feels like the nba are awarding.

971
00:45:33,599 --> 00:45:36,800
Speaker 1: These guys a lot of money. And a lot of opportunities.

972
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,519
Speaker 2: He's also bigger THAN some of the players i, mentioned

973
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,599
at SIX or five and again i think he's very

974
00:45:42,679 --> 00:45:46,400
clearly has the ability to be three level, so BECAUSE

975
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:49,440
of The future so i don't but AGAIN that's. Just

976
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:51,920
the question i have Just, ASKING questions about DRA josson

977
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:55,119
i would, say i would say overall he's probably MET

978
00:45:55,159 --> 00:45:56,039
my expectations for.

979
00:45:56,119 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 1: What I would expect it maybe i don't know who

980
00:45:58,000 --> 00:45:58,280
we would.

981
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:01,559
Speaker 2: Have been missing expectations for i'm just curious to see

982
00:46:01,559 --> 00:46:03,960
if they start to. USE him in DIFFERENT ways i

983
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:05,840
will say i like the way that. They're NOT always

984
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:07,599
going in although i THINK he's at what, forty i

985
00:46:07,599 --> 00:46:09,280
want to say forty two percent on pull up twos

986
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,719
and forty. Seven percent from mid RANGE that is someone

987
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:13,760
who i think is going to keep defenses off kilter

988
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:15,039
with the ability to get to.

989
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 1: Those in between spots when. He is on? The ball

990
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:19,599
who's your next. You're sitting there IN silence you?

991
00:46:19,599 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 2: Gotta do i have, more we're gonna need you especially

992
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:23,119
when it's your pick to.

993
00:46:23,159 --> 00:46:24,519
Speaker 1: Actually, transition, a little.

994
00:46:24,519 --> 00:46:27,599
Speaker 3: BIT okay well fair enough i don't have that dog.

995
00:46:27,639 --> 00:46:30,639
In me UNLESS. You do, and as vj edgecombe do

996
00:46:31,079 --> 00:46:32,320
LIKE see you? See what i did. There that's a.

997
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:35,280
Speaker 1: Culled transition that, was good that's A Seguay. That's a seque.

998
00:46:36,519 --> 00:46:41,760
Speaker 3: Edgecombe Man so unfortunately he's been he's come back to

999
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:43,239
earth is probably the.

1000
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:43,800
Speaker 1: Best way to.

1001
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 3: SAY it and that's unfortunate i don't want to call it,

1002
00:46:46,519 --> 00:46:49,000
a rookie wall or anything but like now you have

1003
00:46:49,119 --> 00:46:51,639
to raise the question was the first couple of games

1004
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:56,480
just in anomaly or is he going through a bit of.

1005
00:46:56,519 --> 00:47:00,039
A rough patch right. Now both could be true so.

1006
00:47:00,079 --> 00:47:02,880
It's it's interesting to me it's just like trying to

1007
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:06,360
figure out where's he going to fall here because right

1008
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:10,320
now he's not a. High efficiency player like that he

1009
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,840
went through a couple of games a week or, Two

1010
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:17,639
actually of shooting struggles like he's barely cracking. Forty percent,

1011
00:47:17,679 --> 00:47:22,239
from the field so like do we buy stock into

1012
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:25,119
the opening game and the, Follow, up game and say

1013
00:47:25,119 --> 00:47:28,400
okay this is a, guy you can build around or

1014
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,840
are we just basically putting him back to basically where

1015
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,960
we had him before the draft in saying this, guy's

1016
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:36,559
going to be good but.

1017
00:47:36,679 --> 00:47:38,559
Speaker 1: IT might take a year. I struggle with this one

1018
00:47:38,559 --> 00:47:40,239
where do you land on it? In?

1019
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:44,320
Speaker 3: Terms of, The potential yeah all right so when he's

1020
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:46,760
displayed the ability, to get to, the rim which he

1021
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,760
has when he's displayed the ability to get to those

1022
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:51,599
spots on the floor that, he needs to get to

1023
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:55,360
that those two. Factors alone are quite impressive he's a

1024
00:47:55,559 --> 00:47:58,840
strong rebounder. From the off guard position he's had several

1025
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:02,280
games where. He's displayed some passing chops he's, not, high

1026
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:07,199
TURNOVER like again okay like i will say a lot

1027
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:10,760
of minutes so like the rosstats are being pumped up,

1028
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:14,559
A LITTLE bit Through that but i just i've seen

1029
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:20,960
enough to at least be confident about a certain baseline.

1030
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:24,000
Of an all around game defensively, is where it gets

1031
00:48:24,039 --> 00:48:27,360
interesting because he came in being billed as this next

1032
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:31,039
level defender. At the OFF guard spot and while i

1033
00:48:31,119 --> 00:48:33,840
do think he's, shown us flashes of that he's been

1034
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,239
asked to DO so much offensively that i don't think

1035
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:39,880
we've necessarily seen like the full. Plate of his defensive

1036
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:44,480
output so it's interesting To me to see how, Philly

1037
00:48:44,519 --> 00:48:47,840
GAGES him as well like i wonder if they're gonna

1038
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:51,199
try to scale back his offensive responsibilities to sort of

1039
00:48:51,199 --> 00:48:54,039
get back to a certain defensive baseline to where he

1040
00:48:54,079 --> 00:48:58,360
can also, select his opportunities more carefully because there have

1041
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:01,199
been a couple of times since that, they where, He's

1042
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:03,559
been like oh yeah i'm going, to chuck this. AT

1043
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,440
look twenty years, old, i can't blame him man coming

1044
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:11,000
off a four what's? The thirty four point debut. Of

1045
00:49:11,039 --> 00:49:13,199
course you're feeling yourself of course you're going. To TEST

1046
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:17,119
out some limits like i would be such AN angry

1047
00:49:17,199 --> 00:49:19,880
old idiot if i sat here. And blamed, him for

1048
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:21,760
that of course he's going to. Have to, Test himself

1049
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:26,440
out who wouldn't but it's just how they catch him

1050
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:29,079
as an organization for the remainder of his rookie season is.

1051
00:49:29,119 --> 00:49:32,039
Speaker 1: Going to be so crucial where do you?

1052
00:49:32,079 --> 00:49:34,119
Speaker 2: Sort of that was it i've never thought about the

1053
00:49:34,159 --> 00:49:36,079
defensive framing, that, way to where it's oh he's doing

1054
00:49:36,159 --> 00:49:38,599
so much on the offensive end that we might just

1055
00:49:38,639 --> 00:49:41,159
not have the full impressions of.

1056
00:49:41,199 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 1: What he is capable of but where do you land

1057
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:44,119
on what?

1058
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 2: He SHOULD be doing offensively because i don't think THE

1059
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:50,679
and part of me i know, he's done a lot

1060
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:54,039
offensively but when almost eighty percent of Your Minutes, have

1061
00:49:54,079 --> 00:49:56,599
come alongside tyree's maxie he's also doing a. Ton of

1062
00:49:56,599 --> 00:49:59,119
the heavy lifting do you VIEW him as someone Just

1063
00:49:59,199 --> 00:50:01,599
i have not. Been i've been in prep look the things.

1064
00:50:01,599 --> 00:50:04,480
He could do in transition, he will space the floor gets.

1065
00:50:04,559 --> 00:50:05,800
UP and down the floor i think he does a

1066
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:07,079
really Good Job, playing off of.

1067
00:50:07,119 --> 00:50:10,559
Speaker 1: Tyres maxley which is important what do you how do

1068
00:50:10,559 --> 00:50:10,960
you feel.

1069
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 2: About him on the ball he's thrown some nice swing

1070
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:16,840
passes and, thrown some nice passes overall but the separation

1071
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:18,519
when he has, the ball in his hands or just

1072
00:50:18,559 --> 00:50:20,280
even the efficient he does want to get to that

1073
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:22,320
pull up and he's shooting under twenty five percent.

1074
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 1: On his pull up.

1075
00:50:23,639 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 2: Twos THAT still so early But i don't know that i've, Looked,

1076
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,320
at him and thought OKAY this is someone that i

1077
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:34,119
want to actually have a ton of offensive Responsibility outside

1078
00:50:34,119 --> 00:50:37,039
of being a maybe it's too cruel to say, like

1079
00:50:37,079 --> 00:50:40,800
a perimeter play finisher but that almost seems like what

1080
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:42,880
he might because when to Just Bring it back to,

1081
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:45,239
TREY johnson for a second i don't think he needs

1082
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:47,239
to be some, type. OF perimeter, PLAY finish right i

1083
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:49,840
know i absolutely want, the ball in his hands even if.

1084
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,480
It's just as, A scorer at some POINT i don't

1085
00:50:52,519 --> 00:50:54,679
KNOW where i land. On vj, edgecomb with that.

1086
00:50:57,360 --> 00:50:58,119
Speaker 1: It's interesting.

1087
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:00,320
Speaker 3: THAT'S that's a good question i hadn't thought about it

1088
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:04,360
that way in terms of. LIKE just trusting the Ball

1089
00:51:04,519 --> 00:51:08,039
i guess from what i've seen so far in, terms

1090
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:12,039
of his slashing ability, him getting to the rim. Like

1091
00:51:12,079 --> 00:51:14,559
he will get there the Finishing, has been so so

1092
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:17,800
no it's it hasn't been great when. HE'S getting to

1093
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:19,920
the rim i think we're at like sixty percent maybe

1094
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,480
a LITTLE less less fifty NINE i think last time

1095
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:26,079
i saw so you're looking at a bump there, That

1096
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:29,719
usually comes with experience like we're seeing a lot of perimeter.

1097
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:34,519
Players like have that pattern so, if he can't fix

1098
00:51:34,599 --> 00:51:38,119
that and if he does retain his current three point

1099
00:51:38,159 --> 00:51:42,519
efficiency in terms of being a somewhat high volume and above,

1100
00:51:42,559 --> 00:51:46,760
average efficiency finisher from three That is going to give

1101
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:50,719
max at least that backcourt partner that, you can envision

1102
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:52,920
for him especially. If the defense come along there are a,

1103
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:58,480
lot OF IFAs RIGHT now and i guess i just

1104
00:51:58,639 --> 00:52:02,239
need to see the priority switch in terms of how

1105
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:04,920
they approach him as an organization for the rest OF

1106
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:09,400
his rookie year before i feel confident, or, comfortable, even

1107
00:52:09,679 --> 00:52:12,599
to say oh yeah this is the archetype, that he's,

1108
00:52:12,639 --> 00:52:16,719
going to be because frankly we don't, Know's he's very

1109
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,760
raw still like there's so many facets to his game.

1110
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:21,960
THAT we don't know about i agree with you by

1111
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:23,840
the way that he does Take, Too many pull, UP

1112
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:28,320
jase and there's this, i hate to say it there

1113
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:30,559
are a couple times when you're looking at, him, play,

1114
00:52:30,599 --> 00:52:34,840
and you're thinking Oh no he Has THE kobe, gene and,

1115
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:36,679
when i say oh no a lot of, people out

1116
00:52:36,679 --> 00:52:37,320
there will go why?

1117
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:39,079
Speaker 1: Is that a bad thing it's always been.

1118
00:52:39,119 --> 00:52:41,800
Speaker 3: A Bad thing like that the kobe gene, is not

1119
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:45,480
a good thing but it's being builled as a good

1120
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:48,719
thing and has been. For a long time now it's

1121
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:53,519
not it's not, a high efficiency you. Know approach to basketball. Whatsoever,

1122
00:52:53,559 --> 00:52:56,559
it's the exact opposite like so you want to get

1123
00:52:56,599 --> 00:53:00,239
A little less of, That cobe gene in him, But

1124
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:03,320
having a backcourt made i'm going to throw it back,

1125
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:05,400
to you on this one Having A, backcourt made like

1126
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:09,599
tyres maxi who does seem to have a very very very,

1127
00:53:09,599 --> 00:53:12,320
good head on his shoulders just in terms of like when,

1128
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:14,800
to execute A certain play when do i need, to

1129
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:16,320
step UP my scoring when do i need to.

1130
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:18,119
Speaker 1: Go into like facilitating mode.

1131
00:53:18,159 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 3: Don't you think that is going to Rub off positively

1132
00:53:21,199 --> 00:53:25,960
on edge COBE's further development and actually might just lead

1133
00:53:26,079 --> 00:53:27,079
him to find his.

1134
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:28,599
Speaker 1: Organic, role, in enough.

1135
00:53:28,599 --> 00:53:31,519
Speaker 2: Itself WELL yeah for sure and i think you just

1136
00:53:31,599 --> 00:53:35,719
already you kind of already see it Because, He's playing

1137
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:38,559
well with tyler like he's hitting thirty eight Percent of

1138
00:53:38,599 --> 00:53:40,360
his threes, with maxi on the floor. And he kind

1139
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:42,599
of understands we know he likes to, get to his

1140
00:53:42,639 --> 00:53:44,920
pull up but has it ever felt to you when

1141
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:47,880
you've watched him That He's hijacking anything, From, tyres maxi.

1142
00:53:49,159 --> 00:53:54,199
Speaker 3: He's twenty yeah he's twenty he's Feeling himself, after, that,

1143
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:55,079
deput come.

1144
00:53:55,119 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 1: ON yeah NO it happens.

1145
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,639
Speaker 2: I guess i, haven't GOTTEN i haven't gotten but i

1146
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:02,559
haven't gotten like enough of, that vibe to.

1147
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:04,599
Speaker 1: Flag IT is, my, point, so.

1148
00:54:04,559 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 3: I thought okay no like but it happens a couple,

1149
00:54:07,559 --> 00:54:11,480
times per game to me like Is that, it's not something, i'm,

1150
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:14,280
WORSE it's LIKE you right i think i get more

1151
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:16,960
concerned About His shot selection when tyre's maxi's off THE

1152
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:20,039
floor is and so i guess that's almost a positive,

1153
00:54:20,079 --> 00:54:23,679
Harbinger for his development though but he's shooting twenty Five

1154
00:54:23,679 --> 00:54:26,519
Percent on twos without. Tyre's maxey on the court and

1155
00:54:26,559 --> 00:54:29,880
that's THE one where You Which i wonder because paul george,

1156
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:31,599
is going to be coming And maybe You thought Having

1157
00:54:31,679 --> 00:54:33,199
joelle and beat it all would have. Changed this a

1158
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:37,079
little Bit Do you view having paul george as any

1159
00:54:37,119 --> 00:54:40,079
help there to where now we're gonna play these different

1160
00:54:40,079 --> 00:54:42,559
types of, lineups and during LET'S say, during the non

1161
00:54:42,559 --> 00:54:44,360
maxi minutes that you still want those two. TO play

1162
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:46,360
a ton together, i want to be clear but during

1163
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:50,480
the non maxim minutes It Probably helps to have paul GEORGE. On.

1164
00:54:50,519 --> 00:54:52,119
Speaker 1: The, court alongside.

1165
00:54:51,639 --> 00:54:53,559
Speaker 2: Vj edgecombe no just to have a different type of

1166
00:54:53,599 --> 00:54:54,880
outlet or maybe someone he could.

1167
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:57,079
Speaker 1: Defer, to for more possessions.

1168
00:54:56,679 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 3: Yes having a veteran who you can go to both

1169
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:03,599
when it's a timeout, situation or on you know. Live

1170
00:55:03,679 --> 00:55:10,400
play is insanely, Valuable Is, THAT guy though paul george

1171
00:55:10,679 --> 00:55:11,159
i don't know.

1172
00:55:11,079 --> 00:55:14,719
Speaker 2: If he has the In You don't know if paul

1173
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:17,400
george has the chops to be a Good.

1174
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 1: Player, in, a secondary no no. No, No, that he does.

1175
00:55:20,159 --> 00:55:22,079
Speaker 3: No no that he does i'm talking, about like THE

1176
00:55:22,159 --> 00:55:25,760
timeout Situations Like do i trust paul, george to be

1177
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:28,199
You Know, TO embrace rather.

1178
00:55:28,159 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 1: Oh no i. Wasn't talking, about a, mentor that's. OKAY

1179
00:55:30,679 --> 00:55:31,320
fair enough.

1180
00:55:31,159 --> 00:55:33,559
Speaker 3: FAIR enough i think THEN i misunderstood you because i

1181
00:55:33,559 --> 00:55:35,679
thought in part that. Was what you Were asking, because,

1182
00:55:36,199 --> 00:55:38,280
THAT'S where, I'M like uh i.

1183
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 2: DON'T i don't think so i Think you're, spot on

1184
00:55:41,039 --> 00:55:43,519
with maxie there because he's all And just his relationship

1185
00:55:43,559 --> 00:55:47,599
with joelle embiid to. Where it seems very Candid you

1186
00:55:47,639 --> 00:55:50,039
could tell that maxie doesn't And look at what happened

1187
00:55:50,199 --> 00:55:52,480
maxi be and it helps when you, know they're gonna

1188
00:55:52,519 --> 00:55:55,440
pay you but like being okay going into restricted free

1189
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:59,280
agency Just to get it just maxie seems to get

1190
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:02,199
IT in a away or i want to insult other

1191
00:56:02,199 --> 00:56:06,039
players saying this he's just his leadership or his mentality does.

1192
00:56:06,079 --> 00:56:08,039
Speaker 1: Feel like it belies me he is smarter than. A

1193
00:56:08,079 --> 00:56:10,079
lot of other players you, Can, say, IT it's Okay

1194
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:11,760
well no I meant i'm not because i.

1195
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 2: Think young Players Are mature someone in tyrese, maxi's age

1196
00:56:15,519 --> 00:56:17,519
and even status do you, look, at them and say

1197
00:56:17,519 --> 00:56:18,519
well they should be the.

1198
00:56:18,559 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 1: Best leader On the team that's why. I'm saying, he's,

1199
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:23,800
More MATURE he's smarter right and i think you KNOW.

1200
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 2: What's also helpful for vj edgecomb is you're Playing along

1201
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:28,519
someone who is how many Different Types of roles has

1202
00:56:28,559 --> 00:56:31,400
tyrese Maxi, had on the six ers really think about

1203
00:56:31,519 --> 00:56:33,119
think about the gamut of.

1204
00:56:33,199 --> 00:56:35,880
Speaker 1: Players, he's, now operated alongside.

1205
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:38,800
Speaker 3: Yeah no he's tried everything and. That's, work to his

1206
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:42,239
advantage frankly it'd Be Interesting to see if quentin, grimes

1207
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:46,960
sticks there as well and if He, gets more familiar

1208
00:56:47,039 --> 00:56:49,239
with edgecomb because if They're going to try out edgecombe

1209
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:53,159
next year, more it's one you know with a year.

1210
00:56:53,079 --> 00:56:54,079
Speaker 1: Under his spelled.

1211
00:56:54,159 --> 00:56:57,760
Speaker 3: And then having crimes there if he re, signs who

1212
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:00,159
is you know an off ball threat and someone who will,

1213
00:57:00,199 --> 00:57:03,679
definitely give you, Some SPACING that's INTERESTING too like i.

1214
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:05,519
Speaker 2: When?

1215
00:57:05,559 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 3: I actually this is? Interesting do you do you ARE.

1216
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:12,119
You that comfortable with vj edgecomb to this point where

1217
00:57:12,159 --> 00:57:15,599
You're willing to give up jared McCain to?

1218
00:57:15,679 --> 00:57:15,960
Speaker 1: Solve?

1219
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:21,119
Speaker 2: Other, Issues, for, most, Yep ALREADY okay yep. Yeah i'm

1220
00:57:21,239 --> 00:57:23,079
i don't know so now, if you were to ASK.

1221
00:57:24,159 --> 00:57:27,079
Would you rather Have Vj edgecomb Or Con? Kin Nipple

1222
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:31,679
or ace bailey even i'm, not comfortable enough. To say

1223
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:34,119
oh he was he's definitely. Better than Those Two guys

1224
00:57:34,599 --> 00:57:36,920
but and ace bailey hasn't had a. Great, START of

1225
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:39,719
the year, No I hear you So but.

1226
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:40,239
Speaker 1: I would BE.

1227
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:43,079
Speaker 2: I've seen enough from vj edgecombe where what would, BE

1228
00:57:43,119 --> 00:57:46,559
the argument to say i don't want, to use the

1229
00:57:46,559 --> 00:57:48,880
word expendable but what would be the argument against if

1230
00:57:49,119 --> 00:57:51,519
if Something comes along for the sixers to meaningfully improve

1231
00:57:51,559 --> 00:57:53,000
their team or just even get a.

1232
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:55,039
Speaker 1: Different type Of draft pick what is?

1233
00:57:55,159 --> 00:57:58,079
Speaker 2: Jared McCain's long term value is it because of what

1234
00:57:58,159 --> 00:58:01,360
he's able to do on the because that's also BEEN

1235
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:04,519
one of the questions i have is can he who

1236
00:58:04,519 --> 00:58:08,000
do you trust to be able To drive in offense without.

1237
00:58:08,039 --> 00:58:09,920
Tyre's maxie on the court Is it? McCain or vj

1238
00:58:10,079 --> 00:58:12,119
edgecombe More at, This POINT.

1239
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:14,599
Speaker 3: Probably edgecombe more but i will say the fact that

1240
00:58:14,639 --> 00:58:17,199
he was Able or has been able edgecombe to hit

1241
00:58:17,239 --> 00:58:19,960
the three at that, that mark that he is that was.

1242
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:22,400
The swing, FACTOR for me, because McCain i do think,

1243
00:58:22,519 --> 00:58:26,639
is going, to turn into ultimately speaking a. Wonderful shooter

1244
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:29,960
at this level and so you could make the argument

1245
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:34,039
that he's easier to implement in, certain situations because you know,

1246
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:37,000
as we talked about before, perhaps more off, ball stuff

1247
00:58:37,119 --> 00:58:40,159
less on ball just someone who, it's always easy. To

1248
00:58:40,199 --> 00:58:45,800
Integrate like natural shooters if edgecombe is just kind of

1249
00:58:46,239 --> 00:58:48,920
a guy who walks into thirty seven thirty eight percent

1250
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:52,360
from three on, solid volume, every single year guess, what,

1251
00:58:52,559 --> 00:58:54,880
That's a natural shooter baby and then you can, implement

1252
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:57,679
him pretty easily too, and with the, added size, the

1253
00:58:57,719 --> 00:59:02,719
defensive upside, the rebounding the slashing capabilities although he will

1254
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:05,920
still need to. Finish, better around the rim yeah IT'S

1255
00:59:07,039 --> 00:59:09,840
it's a No, Brainerd i would probably yeah i'd. Probably

1256
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:12,920
land with you there do you have any other rookies you?

1257
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:16,119
Were dying to Talk About we've covered. THE eastern conference

1258
00:59:16,199 --> 00:59:18,079
Greatest hits, I think UNLESS i'm missing i.

1259
00:59:18,119 --> 00:59:22,119
Speaker 1: Think I think we have CAN i throw one that

1260
00:59:22,119 --> 00:59:22,559
i would? Like?

1261
00:59:22,599 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 2: TO see more of yeah i Want To see More. Of,

1262
00:59:27,719 --> 00:59:32,199
ASA newle in atlanta okay i. Am super intrigued by

1263
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:34,800
it it's the volume, is not there a ton but

1264
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:37,920
he moves really. Well on the defensive end you could

1265
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:41,880
throw him on. A variety of different archetypes the three

1266
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:44,079
BALL seems, like it's just i know the like the

1267
00:59:44,599 --> 00:59:46,519
form can, look a little bit awkwards but it just

1268
00:59:46,559 --> 00:59:49,280
seems like the three ball might be there at a reasonable.

1269
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:52,280
CLIP and volume for him i don't know how you

1270
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:56,480
go about necessarily carving him out extra playing time in

1271
00:59:56,679 --> 00:59:58,280
the way that the front Court, Is SET up in

1272
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:01,960
atlanta But, I really like asan newell i really think

1273
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:03,559
that he is going to be someone who's kind of

1274
01:00:03,599 --> 01:00:06,119
plug and play at. Both ENDS of the FLOOR and

1275
01:00:06,159 --> 01:00:08,960
i Wonder if I know a kung wu is one is?

1276
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:12,320
The guy driving the Whole should they trade christophs porzengis

1277
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:14,559
or They're, Willing TO trade christophs porzingis but i kind

1278
01:00:14,559 --> 01:00:16,480
of wonder if it's Well we also, have asan newell

1279
01:00:16,519 --> 01:00:18,800
Sitting Here, in addition to jalen johnson we could probably

1280
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:22,400
cobble together a really GOOD from court Rotation, with lkp

1281
01:00:22,559 --> 01:00:24,239
in general Mogay?

1282
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:25,199
Speaker 1: Who, can forget about.

1283
01:00:25,199 --> 01:00:29,800
Speaker 3: Mogay yeah he's been good so you know a guy

1284
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:34,559
who scored what forty seven percent of all the all

1285
01:00:34,559 --> 01:00:35,960
the points he scored this season In.

1286
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:37,480
Speaker 1: One game against the.

1287
01:00:37,559 --> 01:00:42,239
Speaker 3: LAKERS i'm glad you're optimistic i will join you in.

1288
01:00:42,239 --> 01:00:47,719
THAT exuberance and the enthusiasm. I need TO see more

1289
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:51,079
i just i don't feel comfortable Voicing my. Opinion on

1290
01:00:51,159 --> 01:00:54,440
asan newell yet it's it's it's. EIGHTY minutes PLAYED this

1291
01:00:54,559 --> 01:00:58,800
year i just I don't feel as if i've seen

1292
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:03,239
enough to, sit here and you KNOW determine anything on.

1293
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:06,000
His nb career so far are.

1294
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:06,920
Speaker 1: There any other rookies?

1295
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:10,679
Speaker 2: You want to talk to Our Surprised we haven't seen Casper.

1296
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:13,519
SHAKACIONAS yet FOR the heat i think i read somewhere

1297
01:01:13,519 --> 01:01:15,639
that he's one of only three top twenty picks who have.

1298
01:01:15,679 --> 01:01:17,679
Speaker 1: Not yet played THIS Season.

1299
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:21,639
Speaker 3: Noah s And K Thomas sorber and kaspara shaka. Jonas

1300
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:26,800
So far HAVEN'T, played with tori in acl we'll. Miss

1301
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:30,840
the entire, year fortunately by the way how ridiculous is

1302
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:34,400
it that the thunder can have like back to, back

1303
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:37,719
first round draft picks mister, first, seasons, and they're like,

1304
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:42,719
Yeah no it's, we'll manage we'll be okay we'll probably.

1305
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:46,559
Walk into the championship anyway. That DEPTH is just, ridiculous

1306
01:01:46,719 --> 01:01:48,920
so i actually thought, now that you mentioned it. That

1307
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:52,039
he was still injured is he? Like getting DMPs right.

1308
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:54,480
Speaker 1: NOW He is in the, G league. At, The moment

1309
01:01:54,519 --> 01:01:55,280
i believe.

1310
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:58,079
Speaker 3: Okay so like he's rehapping because he was, injured, to

1311
01:01:58,079 --> 01:01:59,679
start the year right.

1312
01:02:00,559 --> 01:02:03,119
Speaker 1: He should, Be, he should be AVAILABLE yeah. As, Far,

1313
01:02:03,119 --> 01:02:05,159
as i know okay, Okay.

1314
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:08,280
Speaker 3: Well get, on that miami, And also By the Way

1315
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:13,000
chicago picking nois and gay at, twelve and not playing him.

1316
01:02:13,559 --> 01:02:15,360
That's kind, of wild too he's? Healthy?

1317
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:19,800
Speaker 1: What, do you so well yeah in their front court is.

1318
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 2: Kind, Of, built for it two like you could. DEFINITELY give,

1319
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:24,239
him more minutes i mean.

1320
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:26,440
Speaker 1: He Literally hasn't played.

1321
01:02:26,519 --> 01:02:30,920
Speaker 2: YET well chicago opened up i mean maybe they're getting

1322
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:32,400
to the point where they'll have to play him because

1323
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:34,360
now they they've kind of come back down to earth

1324
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:34,760
after their.

1325
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:37,559
Speaker 3: FIVE and oh start wow i, mean even if they

1326
01:02:37,639 --> 01:02:41,239
didn't you have to give. A guy certain development minutes

1327
01:02:41,599 --> 01:02:44,320
you're picking. HIM in, the damn, lottery i, MEAN come,

1328
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:49,880
on well yeah i mean just whose minutes?

1329
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:52,280
Speaker 2: You want him To take if if if chicago, is

1330
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:54,679
not going to play we know they're not Going To Invest.

1331
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:57,400
Speaker 3: All the dear patrick williams it is with great regret

1332
01:02:57,480 --> 01:03:01,880
that we DECIDE to inform. You, that, i don't mind.

1333
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:05,519
Like honestly it doesn't matter i'm not saying he should go.

1334
01:03:05,559 --> 01:03:08,360
OUT and, get twenty minutes i mean JUST let him

1335
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:12,679
touch an nba chord before it's like. Twenty, twenty SIX

1336
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:16,840
at least okay, Here I, will say This dear Polls give.

1337
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:21,639
The frenchman a christmas present just let Him taste the. Floor,

1338
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:25,400
before december twenty fifth huh just. Just let, him have

1339
01:03:25,559 --> 01:03:29,119
it he's healthy HE'S Done. Well in, the g league. Come,

1340
01:03:29,159 --> 01:03:31,480
On this is ridiculous.

1341
01:03:32,599 --> 01:03:34,639
Speaker 2: Yeah and Just To confirm, on the YAKA gionas front

1342
01:03:34,639 --> 01:03:36,679
he's been dmp since the seventh or.

1343
01:03:36,719 --> 01:03:37,320
Speaker 1: Eighth game, Of, the.

1344
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:40,920
Speaker 2: Season really okay wow he was because He was dealing

1345
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:42,880
With the it was a coroin injury. RIGHT to open

1346
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:44,599
the year i don't remember.

1347
01:03:44,599 --> 01:03:45,559
Speaker 1: THE nature of the injury i.

1348
01:03:45,639 --> 01:03:45,679
Speaker 3: Just.

1349
01:03:45,719 --> 01:03:46,880
Speaker 1: Remember, him being out.

1350
01:03:47,079 --> 01:03:49,920
Speaker 2: Yeah so, and the other thing too is it's not

1351
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:53,519
going to get in theory, any easier to play him

1352
01:03:53,599 --> 01:03:56,840
Because Right when you have Norman Powell miss some time

1353
01:03:56,920 --> 01:03:59,079
tyler heroes, yet to make his debut that you would

1354
01:03:59,079 --> 01:04:01,199
think that that would have in like the, stretch to where,

1355
01:04:01,199 --> 01:04:04,360
it's okay this makes sense but the heat. To their

1356
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:07,519
credit are deep their, offense is kind of humming and

1357
01:04:07,559 --> 01:04:09,280
maybe they think would he slow it down or is

1358
01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:11,320
he just not built to make like they're making super

1359
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:13,760
quick reason maybe they don't want to throw. Him trial,

1360
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:16,960
BY fire, there so well.

1361
01:04:16,719 --> 01:04:21,480
Speaker 3: I mean if if he's, he's a pass score guard

1362
01:04:22,199 --> 01:04:26,159
like it should be his bread and butter coming into

1363
01:04:26,199 --> 01:04:28,679
a fast paced style offense where he can.

1364
01:04:28,719 --> 01:04:30,559
Speaker 1: Really, display his passing chops.

1365
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:34,000
Speaker 2: Yes but he's also a guy that likes to, work

1366
01:04:34,039 --> 01:04:36,719
on the dribble too, and if you're the heat you're

1367
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:40,519
not really trying to run your offense in that type

1368
01:04:40,519 --> 01:04:41,199
of way.

1369
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:44,719
Speaker 1: To where you don't want him to become. More of a,

1370
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:47,280
ball THREAT though well well and i think.

1371
01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:49,079
Speaker 2: He'll be fine there, eventually but you are right it

1372
01:04:49,079 --> 01:04:52,760
would you, would seem to think that especially given the

1373
01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:56,079
injuries they've dealt. With to start the season even just he,

1374
01:04:56,119 --> 01:04:58,480
doesn't play the same position. But bam being banged up

1375
01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:01,239
it's just to infuse some times of just. Offensive wild

1376
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:04,320
card into it but also do, They, just look at

1377
01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:06,079
it well we don't need it look at like what our.

1378
01:05:06,079 --> 01:05:07,880
Offense is doing right now so if you're concerned about

1379
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:10,800
what he's going to, DO on the Defensive End i

1380
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:13,920
don't that's, i'm i'm not defending it but. It is

1381
01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:17,719
a little bit it's easier for them to justify it,

1382
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:20,360
because you look at, one what they've been doing your

1383
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:23,880
tenth in offense already. And your thirteenth in defense and

1384
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:25,880
the other thing is he did miss the first, Seven

1385
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:26,639
games of the season?

1386
01:05:26,679 --> 01:05:29,559
Speaker 1: So how, about you reactive go ahead you're.

1387
01:05:29,559 --> 01:05:32,000
Speaker 3: In the playing man like it's not as, if they're

1388
01:05:32,159 --> 01:05:35,679
like you know in the top two likes.

1389
01:05:35,519 --> 01:05:38,519
Speaker 2: Is that he's had six games in which, He, Was

1390
01:05:38,599 --> 01:05:42,000
eligible to play right so is it It's not the

1391
01:05:42,039 --> 01:05:42,599
same As.

1392
01:05:42,679 --> 01:05:44,079
Speaker 1: Noah, saying, They, In.

1393
01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:48,039
Speaker 3: Chicago no No no, but like what i'm, saying is

1394
01:05:48,079 --> 01:05:52,159
it like you, if, you're, overly cautious about oh well

1395
01:05:52,159 --> 01:05:54,960
the implementation of this rookie for seven minutes in this

1396
01:05:55,079 --> 01:05:58,719
ball game, completely fuck up our offense then you have

1397
01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:01,239
a shit ton of. Other offense if it, issues if that's,

1398
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:05,480
your thinking like, you know It's to me it's about

1399
01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:07,280
it's always about trying.

1400
01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:07,400
Speaker 1: To.

1401
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:10,280
Speaker 3: Figure out a balance right if you get a guy,

1402
01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:13,199
you like in the draft be that at one, Or

1403
01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:16,960
be that at sixty if you as, an organization like

1404
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:20,800
a guy you have to find some type of way to,

1405
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:22,760
get him on the floor even for, a small amount

1406
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:25,320
of minutes, just to test him out because like what

1407
01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:28,679
is it going? To do to his confidence like getting

1408
01:06:28,719 --> 01:06:31,800
passed over again and. Again and again, and again Like

1409
01:06:32,519 --> 01:06:35,639
you Also it's like i'm, not i'm not supporting oh

1410
01:06:35,679 --> 01:06:38,239
like you're getting development minutes and you're getting like thirty

1411
01:06:38,239 --> 01:06:40,519
five of them every, single game, just because no like

1412
01:06:41,119 --> 01:06:44,880
no unless you're like, some type of you know, top

1413
01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:46,519
to your prospect sure.

1414
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:51,039
Speaker 1: Give him, a quarter for fox, Sakes, it's not a

1415
01:06:51,079 --> 01:06:52,400
lot like. JUST give him a.

1416
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:58,679
Speaker 3: Chance i, have, One, more uh oh well dancy you

1417
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:02,320
muted yourself again because you. Can't Stop TOUCHING your Microphone.

1418
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:10,159
Speaker 2: The so i want mohammed diara to get more Minutes Or,

1419
01:07:10,199 --> 01:07:13,079
actual minutes in New york. Especially with the ojiannobi injury

1420
01:07:13,079 --> 01:07:15,440
they don't have a ton. Of WINGS to begin with

1421
01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:18,320
and i know. That sounds stupid to say For A,

1422
01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:21,400
Team That, Has Michael. Bridges josh, harden ojan andobi after.

1423
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:22,119
Speaker 1: That you Have no.

1424
01:07:22,039 --> 01:07:25,159
Speaker 2: One, you have Pocom Dadi A You have mohammed diwar

1425
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:27,079
andrew sham has been. Playing really good for Them you

1426
01:07:27,119 --> 01:07:30,239
can lean into if, you're playing dual big lineups the need.

1427
01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:32,760
For wings kind of decreases if, you're playing three guard

1428
01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:35,639
lineups the need. For WINGS kind of Decreases but i

1429
01:07:35,679 --> 01:07:37,960
think the knicks have kind of and this is. A

1430
01:07:37,960 --> 01:07:42,360
struggle with every contender they just they've let. Player development

1431
01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:44,000
kind of fall but you need to figure out a way.

1432
01:07:44,039 --> 01:07:46,119
To get these guys minutes what's the point of having

1433
01:07:46,199 --> 01:07:47,800
them on a get on a like giving them a

1434
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:50,920
roster spot if you Don't Think the other night the,

1435
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:53,440
knicks did win the game But Like McHale bridges, after

1436
01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:56,960
ojan andobi goes down, plays the entire first quarter doesn't

1437
01:07:56,960 --> 01:07:59,119
come out, to start the second quarter and winds up

1438
01:07:59,119 --> 01:08:02,360
with forty three. Minutes played in the game what's the

1439
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:04,679
point of having these guys on the roster if you

1440
01:08:04,719 --> 01:08:06,679
don't think they can buy you time at the end of.

1441
01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:10,159
Quarters or to start quarters and the, Bigger thing to

1442
01:08:10,199 --> 01:08:11,719
me is i'm not saying the war is.

1443
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:12,840
Speaker 1: GOING to be a solution, i think.

1444
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:18,039
Speaker 2: He's, VERY good very malleable defensively i doubt he's good going.

1445
01:08:18,079 --> 01:08:20,239
To be good right now but you want to know

1446
01:08:20,359 --> 01:08:22,319
what you have so that you're not in a situation

1447
01:08:22,399 --> 01:08:25,479
to where it's year two and you've already decided we

1448
01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:29,279
either Don't Have Enough information on tyler kohlakerpocom dottie. To

1449
01:08:29,319 --> 01:08:30,840
throw him in there They Did try to give tyler

1450
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:32,720
kolloch some playing time at, the beginning of the season

1451
01:08:33,319 --> 01:08:35,560
or you know that he's not ready and then you

1452
01:08:35,600 --> 01:08:36,680
can decide to move on.

1453
01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:39,479
Speaker 1: OR build your roster accordingly i just thought. IT was

1454
01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:40,439
a little weird.

1455
01:08:40,199 --> 01:08:41,920
Speaker 2: I know they didn't have a ton, of resources to

1456
01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:45,239
begin with but all their eggs just kind of felt,

1457
01:08:45,279 --> 01:08:47,760
In the Basket, OF well josh. Hard og i don't

1458
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:49,960
know we mckel bridges are all going to, be relatively

1459
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:53,119
healthy this season which is. A tough bet to make

1460
01:08:53,119 --> 01:08:55,840
they were all relatively healthy last season and. TO bank

1461
01:08:55,880 --> 01:08:57,760
on that again i know mckail, bridges is an iron

1462
01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:00,199
man but now you're dealing. With the stretch like this maybe,

1463
01:09:00,199 --> 01:09:02,079
they NAVIGATE it just fine but i think this is

1464
01:09:02,079 --> 01:09:04,800
a good opportunity to just go in there And get

1465
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:06,840
Some reps For Mohammed, di aara.

1466
01:09:07,239 --> 01:09:09,199
Speaker 3: And pacomb daddier who you go, out and lined as

1467
01:09:09,199 --> 01:09:12,840
Well give the give the frenchman duo a. Couple, of

1468
01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:17,159
MINUTES here there yeah it's. I don't disagree with you they,

1469
01:09:17,159 --> 01:09:20,960
have Both have significant size Ja. VARA more, SO than

1470
01:09:21,039 --> 01:09:25,560
daddier i Like i do think the knicks, could use

1471
01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:29,119
another three four especially someone who's. LIKE six eight sixty

1472
01:09:29,199 --> 01:09:33,479
nine i don't have a good. READ on his offense

1473
01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:37,239
yet i just. Don't because it's not good he's.

1474
01:09:37,159 --> 01:09:39,720
Speaker 2: Kind of actually, remarkably fluid on the ball but there's

1475
01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:43,479
just no, jumper of, which, to speak which is yeah just,

1476
01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:45,039
throw and by the way this is when you would

1477
01:09:45,079 --> 01:09:47,399
need him throw Him Out There During the carl's karl.

1478
01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:50,319
Speaker 1: Anthony towns at center minutes that's perfect for someone. With

1479
01:09:50,359 --> 01:09:53,800
those types. Of, limitations so that's interesting, yeah it's a

1480
01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:55,640
small quibble but this stuff starts.

1481
01:09:55,640 --> 01:09:57,600
Speaker 2: To add up and matter you want to know what

1482
01:09:57,680 --> 01:09:59,920
you have now for them is different from if you're

1483
01:10:00,039 --> 01:10:01,520
looking at the heat or if, you're looking at the

1484
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:04,039
bulls where there's more equity investment d or was the.

1485
01:10:04,079 --> 01:10:06,399
Number Fifty one overall pick so i'm not trying to

1486
01:10:06,439 --> 01:10:07,279
fool myself into thinking.

1487
01:10:07,359 --> 01:10:08,199
Speaker 1: This is a future star.

1488
01:10:08,359 --> 01:10:12,000
Speaker 2: But he's on the roster, your wing depth Isn't Superb

1489
01:10:12,079 --> 01:10:14,479
Especially without, ogi an andoby, LET'S see let's and look

1490
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:19,479
i haven't they Haven't played a, game since ojiannaobi was

1491
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:21,560
like is gonna be, re evaluated in two weeks so

1492
01:10:21,560 --> 01:10:24,479
they've yet to kind of map. Out Their Rotation from there,

1493
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:26,720
maybe mike brown surprises me but so.

1494
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:28,760
Speaker 3: FAR he, is not well i mean, they're not even

1495
01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:30,880
playing gapus, so you know it's.

1496
01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:34,279
Speaker 2: Well there's a reason they're not playing him because. He is, borderline,

1497
01:10:34,359 --> 01:10:40,319
unplayable defensively you mean Uh he started to hit i'll

1498
01:10:40,319 --> 01:10:42,159
say some threes because it feels like he's had a

1499
01:10:42,159 --> 01:10:44,359
couple one of one games or. WHATEVER it is right

1500
01:10:44,479 --> 01:10:47,279
right i don't know if he came in a camp out.

1501
01:10:47,119 --> 01:10:48,680
Speaker 1: Of shape or if he was dealing. With some type

1502
01:10:48,680 --> 01:10:49,680
of injury.

1503
01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:53,880
Speaker 2: That is looking like a pretty big Bust Of a signing.

1504
01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:57,920
Speaker 1: BY new YORK right, now, I still i. Mean yeah,

1505
01:10:58,000 --> 01:10:59,079
i hear you the idea.

1506
01:10:59,199 --> 01:11:01,399
Speaker 2: The idea of him him i'm not out, on the

1507
01:11:01,439 --> 01:11:04,840
idea of him but he has not done anything. To

1508
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:09,520
Work Like they've had karl anthony towns was apparently playing through,

1509
01:11:09,560 --> 01:11:12,439
a GRADE to quad strain which i don't think, you

1510
01:11:12,479 --> 01:11:14,640
Can physically play through so. I'm wondering what he was

1511
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:17,279
but he was banged. Up To start the year mitchell.

1512
01:11:17,319 --> 01:11:20,279
Robinson is being load managed there was the, GAME against

1513
01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:22,279
was it what i don't Know if, it was the

1514
01:11:22,279 --> 01:11:25,000
miami game but where he Was in foul trouble and

1515
01:11:25,359 --> 01:11:26,479
yabuselli still.

1516
01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:30,479
Speaker 1: Can't get on the, floor i'd probably.

1517
01:11:30,520 --> 01:11:33,520
Speaker 3: PLAYED regardless try by, fire i, know, it's bad but

1518
01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:35,079
like okay you're also, going.

1519
01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:40,159
Speaker 1: For the second seed. So like the thirst, seed maybe.

1520
01:11:39,239 --> 01:11:42,439
Speaker 2: It's JUST yeah that's but you're, i guess to your

1521
01:11:42,479 --> 01:11:45,000
point you might as well get like try to give

1522
01:11:45,039 --> 01:11:46,560
him longer stretches to see if he.

1523
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:50,560
Speaker 1: Works out, some of it. But yeah. That's He's been

1524
01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:52,840
He's been not The Yoab bucelli experience in new york has.

1525
01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:55,399
Been not, Great So far Generally speaking new york and.

1526
01:11:55,479 --> 01:11:58,000
Frenchman not. The Best fit.

1527
01:12:00,159 --> 01:12:02,359
Speaker 2: That's rude frankie lakeino. Would have been a star. They,

1528
01:12:02,359 --> 01:12:03,720
held on to him Well.

1529
01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:05,920
Speaker 3: They did give you, joekim noah seventy two million and

1530
01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:06,640
that worked.

1531
01:12:06,439 --> 01:12:08,079
Speaker 2: Out because he could rank. Because he said he could

1532
01:12:08,119 --> 01:12:10,000
he offered to Do A pull up on. Phil jackson's

1533
01:12:10,039 --> 01:12:14,000
bicep or something you remember. That Story, that Was funny oh.

1534
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:16,239
Speaker 1: God moret do you?

1535
01:12:16,239 --> 01:12:18,000
Speaker 2: Have anything else to add are you ready to let

1536
01:12:18,039 --> 01:12:19,760
our listeners know where they can find you in all the?

1537
01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:20,840
Speaker 1: Great, work, That you do yeah.

1538
01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:23,399
Speaker 3: NO i'm looking through this i don't think there are

1539
01:12:23,880 --> 01:12:26,760
a LOT of other players that i think aren't necessary.

1540
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:30,279
To TOUCH on quite yet Like I want to see

1541
01:12:30,359 --> 01:12:33,800
jason richison get A, few more minutes in orlando because

1542
01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:36,760
he's only played. Thirty, Minutes total this year.

1543
01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:38,359
Speaker 1: No apenda is kind.

1544
01:12:38,399 --> 01:12:41,079
Speaker 2: Of a, guy There too he's big so i've been

1545
01:12:41,159 --> 01:12:43,039
pretty He moves the ball to i've been. A, Little pressed.

1546
01:12:43,079 --> 01:12:47,279
To him well tyre's proctor the efficiency, doesn't line up

1547
01:12:47,279 --> 01:12:50,119
with it, and he fouls a bunch but he's been

1548
01:12:50,159 --> 01:12:50,840
able to eat.

1549
01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:51,920
Speaker 1: Up some minutes and has some Nice.

1550
01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:55,159
Speaker 2: On ball patients in cleveland that would be someone, that'd

1551
01:12:55,199 --> 01:12:56,680
be a nice find just given where.

1552
01:12:56,720 --> 01:12:58,840
Speaker 1: They ended up getting him? Was he like fifty? Five what?

1553
01:12:58,920 --> 01:13:01,920
Was he? Nine for? You, all, Right, it's close. Yep,

1554
01:13:02,199 --> 01:13:03,600
YEP no.

1555
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:06,399
Speaker 3: You're right no i think the rest of the rookies

1556
01:13:06,439 --> 01:13:11,079
that we need to talk about. Come in the second Episode.

1557
01:13:10,840 --> 01:13:14,239
Speaker 2: Are you surprised that jase maybe isn't getting a Little

1558
01:13:14,279 --> 01:13:16,079
more playing time in orlando Given That it's not like

1559
01:13:16,159 --> 01:13:18,760
tias jones has been playing? A ton of minutes There.

1560
01:13:19,359 --> 01:13:21,560
Speaker 1: You mean My six man with the year? Pick is

1561
01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:26,359
not doing great In What so you Picked jase Richardson.

1562
01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:29,880
Speaker 2: SIX ty jones, TY jones i, was like i was

1563
01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:32,359
like can't Win More For most improved Player, Jace richardson, for,

1564
01:13:32,439 --> 01:13:32,800
six no.

1565
01:13:32,840 --> 01:13:35,159
Speaker 3: I'm really look this has been. A bad year for

1566
01:13:35,279 --> 01:13:37,520
me this has been a. Really bad year for ME

1567
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:40,399
the only thing that I like Is Last season i

1568
01:13:40,439 --> 01:13:44,119
HAD trenton watford, as my mip and, LIKE now finally

1569
01:13:44,159 --> 01:13:47,760
this year i look a little smart on that one at.

1570
01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:51,479
Least Just A little smart but i'm i'm completely flaming

1571
01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:55,479
Out On, this one with tias jones especially one.

1572
01:13:55,520 --> 01:13:56,960
Speaker 1: Point four points? Per?

1573
01:13:57,000 --> 01:13:59,560
Speaker 3: Game what, the hell no but, YES to answer your

1574
01:13:59,640 --> 01:14:02,279
question i, am a little surprised That, given The struggles

1575
01:14:02,319 --> 01:14:05,760
of tias that jase hasn't been given a shot, like coming,

1576
01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:10,119
into the league you know he was pretty much just a,

1577
01:14:10,199 --> 01:14:13,319
spot up three point shooter someone who doesn't, take away

1578
01:14:13,359 --> 01:14:16,439
possessions at all who can just sort of implement himself.

1579
01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:19,000
In an off Ball capacity what is?

1580
01:14:19,039 --> 01:14:19,119
Speaker 2: It?

1581
01:14:19,239 --> 01:14:22,880
Speaker 1: Orlando, NEEDS more of? Oh? Gee, I wonder what so

1582
01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:24,359
Yeah i've been, a little.

1583
01:14:24,319 --> 01:14:26,600
Speaker 2: He is small but, they when they're healthy, anyway even

1584
01:14:26,600 --> 01:14:28,640
when they're not they have the size to and he's

1585
01:14:28,840 --> 01:14:33,119
again the, efficiency's not there right Now But, watching him

1586
01:14:33,159 --> 01:14:35,239
in summer league he knows how to get off his

1587
01:14:35,319 --> 01:14:36,279
shots if he's in.

1588
01:14:36,319 --> 01:14:37,159
Speaker 1: A lane over the.

1589
01:14:37,199 --> 01:14:40,920
Speaker 2: TREES but, they Also Do, I Mean between Jayalen Suggs

1590
01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:44,359
desmond Bay And, anthony black and tias jones it's kind

1591
01:14:44,359 --> 01:14:47,479
of hard to cut, into that sort of. DYNAMIC but

1592
01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:49,520
he would be i really Liked Him coming out OF

1593
01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:51,680
summer league's not someone i know a, tome about before

1594
01:14:51,720 --> 01:14:53,479
then saying now are you.

1595
01:14:53,439 --> 01:14:55,279
Speaker 1: Ready to tell our listeners where they can find you

1596
01:14:55,279 --> 01:14:56,520
and all the. Great, work that you do.

1597
01:14:56,920 --> 01:14:59,800
Speaker 3: Well you can Find my work Over At, forbes or

1598
01:14:59,840 --> 01:15:03,720
AT yahoo, sports at the nba Podcast and if you

1599
01:15:03,800 --> 01:15:07,000
speak danish You Can follow The podcast Buster. Beating or

1600
01:15:07,239 --> 01:15:10,560
catch my catch were calling. Games for worth each

1601
01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:14,479
Speaker 2: Box until Next time and as always willie meet, the shout,

1602
01:15:14,479 --> 01:15:17,560
out to, one The only the indelible mister frank