WEBVTT 1 00:00:05.879 --> 00:00:17.839 Get ready for Hey. 2 00:00:13.320 --> 00:00:17.160 September five, twenty twenty four, allegedly, according to that thing 3 00:00:17.160 --> 00:00:20.280 we call a calendar, this the o'celli effect on a Thursday, 4 00:00:20.879 --> 00:00:24.120 and I have not been live this week because well, 5 00:00:24.199 --> 00:00:26.199 quite frankly, I'm going to tell you on tomorrow night's 6 00:00:26.199 --> 00:00:29.800 show why. But something happened to me and I got 7 00:00:29.839 --> 00:00:33.679 injured this week. So I was going to try and 8 00:00:33.719 --> 00:00:38.079 be on last night, and I could not get myself 9 00:00:38.119 --> 00:00:41.280 together by eight o'clock to even get on the air. 10 00:00:41.840 --> 00:00:47.240 So you know, I know people think, you know, it's 11 00:00:47.280 --> 00:00:50.240 easy to do, but it was not going to be 12 00:00:50.240 --> 00:00:52.520 an easy task to get on the air last night. 13 00:00:52.600 --> 00:00:55.320 But anyway, I'm glad because I have Mike Swonsor with 14 00:00:55.359 --> 00:00:58.439 me here on a Thursday, and gonna be really happy 15 00:00:58.479 --> 00:00:59.960 to talk to him about something that we missed too 16 00:01:00.079 --> 00:01:02.799 weeks ago, because I was going to talk to him 17 00:01:02.799 --> 00:01:05.159 a little bit about his Lancer presentation and he had 18 00:01:05.200 --> 00:01:07.200 stuff on his mind there, but we wound up getting 19 00:01:07.280 --> 00:01:10.840 into social media and the ills in society, et cetera, 20 00:01:10.920 --> 00:01:14.719 et cetera, And I mean, geez, you know, this has 21 00:01:14.760 --> 00:01:16.480 been a weird week too. I could have brought up 22 00:01:16.519 --> 00:01:19.040 the news already at the top here. There was a 23 00:01:19.079 --> 00:01:22.599 shooting at Appalachi High School here in Georgia. Four dead, 24 00:01:22.680 --> 00:01:24.959 even though they just got their silent alarms in a 25 00:01:24.959 --> 00:01:27.879 week ago, et cetera, et cetera. A fourteen year old 26 00:01:27.920 --> 00:01:31.879 suspect is supposed to get arranged shortly in Georgia here 27 00:01:32.120 --> 00:01:36.480 and an AR weapon once again. You know, could we 28 00:01:36.480 --> 00:01:38.959 go over that news, could we go over the selection process, 29 00:01:39.000 --> 00:01:40.879 could we go over a lot of stuff? Sure we could, 30 00:01:40.879 --> 00:01:43.519 But really I want to talk to Mike about what's 31 00:01:43.560 --> 00:01:46.200 on his mind, what he's reading and why and things 32 00:01:46.239 --> 00:01:49.480 like that, and also get a peak anyway at what 33 00:01:49.640 --> 00:01:52.120 he might be presenting at the Lancer Conference, which will 34 00:01:52.159 --> 00:01:55.799 be November twenty second this year in Dallas, Texas, where 35 00:01:55.799 --> 00:01:57.480 I'll be the MC and mich will be there too. 36 00:01:57.599 --> 00:02:00.799 So you know, get yourself down to Tech on the 37 00:02:00.920 --> 00:02:05.280 anniversary date of the JFK assassination because that weekend will 38 00:02:05.319 --> 00:02:09.280 be the Lancer conference. Anyways, Mike, enough out of me. 39 00:02:09.400 --> 00:02:11.680 I mean, you're the guy who was written the War State, 40 00:02:11.719 --> 00:02:14.759 the guy who's written why the Vietnam War course. You 41 00:02:14.840 --> 00:02:17.840 have that newsletter cooking still, and I don't know if 42 00:02:17.840 --> 00:02:20.919 you're going to announce anything else new in the near future, 43 00:02:20.960 --> 00:02:24.120 but I guess we'll see. And I know you're you're 44 00:02:24.120 --> 00:02:27.520 supposed to be working on a book now, but maybe 45 00:02:27.520 --> 00:02:29.639 you'll give us updates on all that. And there's other 46 00:02:29.639 --> 00:02:30.879 stuff that you sent me links to. 47 00:02:31.039 --> 00:02:33.000 So how you doing tonight. 48 00:02:33.639 --> 00:02:38.439 I'm doing good. Yeah, I'm planning on. 49 00:02:40.560 --> 00:02:43.800 Yeah, I get I got an email a couple of 50 00:02:43.840 --> 00:02:47.479 days ago. When's this new book coming out? Well, I've 51 00:02:48.639 --> 00:02:55.599 kind of I haven't actually written anything, uh in the 52 00:02:56.280 --> 00:02:58.960 over the course this year for a new book. I've 53 00:02:59.000 --> 00:03:02.960 been working on the financial stuff. And what I plan 54 00:03:03.039 --> 00:03:09.240 on doing is kind of really stepping away from writing 55 00:03:09.280 --> 00:03:13.000 so much financial stuff. I write like a daily newsletter 56 00:03:13.039 --> 00:03:15.719 and I'm just gonna pare it down to once a 57 00:03:15.759 --> 00:03:19.080 week so i can start to really get serious about 58 00:03:20.479 --> 00:03:26.919 writing about the Kenny assassination and in related topics. And 59 00:03:27.039 --> 00:03:30.400 I've got, like, you know, what I'm going to present 60 00:03:30.479 --> 00:03:34.800 in Lancer would be material that would go into a 61 00:03:34.840 --> 00:03:43.639 new book that's brand new about the Well, the title 62 00:03:43.680 --> 00:03:49.520 of it's something like, basically, was Kennedy killed for Vietnam 63 00:03:49.639 --> 00:03:55.800 or for Cuba? And as time has gone on, you know, 64 00:03:56.439 --> 00:04:00.319 we've gotten lots more information. New books come out new 65 00:04:00.360 --> 00:04:05.240 documents released, I mean, a whole new perspectives on it. 66 00:04:05.319 --> 00:04:10.360 And really, from what I understand, it was really once 67 00:04:10.400 --> 00:04:12.759 the Pentagon papers got put. 68 00:04:12.560 --> 00:04:13.360 Out there. 69 00:04:14.919 --> 00:04:19.399 That the idea that Kennedy may have been killed because 70 00:04:19.439 --> 00:04:21.279 of his Vietnam policy. 71 00:04:23.120 --> 00:04:23.800 Got out there. 72 00:04:24.240 --> 00:04:28.879 And what the Pentagon paper showed, not in huge detail, 73 00:04:29.600 --> 00:04:33.360 just in a couple of pages, was that he had 74 00:04:33.399 --> 00:04:40.439 a plan to withdraw from Vietnam. And Peterdale Scott wrote 75 00:04:40.439 --> 00:04:44.800 about it when the Pentagon papers came out. Might have 76 00:04:44.839 --> 00:04:46.920 been one or two other people, but he was the 77 00:04:47.040 --> 00:04:51.360 main person. And then John Newman of course did a 78 00:04:51.360 --> 00:04:57.040 lot more research into it with more information, and a 79 00:04:57.120 --> 00:05:00.560 year or two ago and I made talk about the 80 00:05:00.680 --> 00:05:03.720 I probably will bring this book up. But the Miller 81 00:05:03.800 --> 00:05:09.439 Center at UVA put out a new book actually I've 82 00:05:09.480 --> 00:05:14.360 talked to, I've talked about on your show. But it 83 00:05:14.399 --> 00:05:17.959 has more evidence in this book that there was a 84 00:05:18.000 --> 00:05:18.879 withdrawal plan. 85 00:05:19.319 --> 00:05:22.600 It's really indisputable. But the author of. 86 00:05:22.600 --> 00:05:27.959 This does a bizarre twist and claims that it wasn't 87 00:05:28.040 --> 00:05:32.839 Kennedy's plan and instead it was McNamara's plan, and therefore, 88 00:05:32.879 --> 00:05:36.040 if Kenny had lived, he brought Kennedy probably wouldn't have 89 00:05:36.079 --> 00:05:41.800 done it, which is a completely bizarre argument because it's 90 00:05:41.800 --> 00:05:48.920 not he doesn't present any actual factual evidence. That's just 91 00:05:49.000 --> 00:05:53.920 a theory that he presents after presenting all this evidence, 92 00:05:53.959 --> 00:05:56.160 some of a lot of it that's never been published, 93 00:05:56.160 --> 00:05:58.879 that there was a withdrawal plan. It's like a political 94 00:05:59.000 --> 00:06:02.759 argument he's making. And he starts out actually mentioning John 95 00:06:02.800 --> 00:06:06.120 Newman and Peter Dale Scott and and you know, not 96 00:06:06.279 --> 00:06:08.000 liking their arguments basically. 97 00:06:08.639 --> 00:06:11.199 Uh, well, there's yeah, but there's also a couple of 98 00:06:11.240 --> 00:06:14.319 other realities here. I mean, when Johnson goes in, he 99 00:06:14.399 --> 00:06:18.519 continues on the Vietnam policy, uh, and seems to completely 100 00:06:18.560 --> 00:06:21.920 ignore Cuba, which Kennedy did not ignore Cuba when he 101 00:06:22.000 --> 00:06:25.000 was in Aufice, right. Uh So you know that that 102 00:06:25.040 --> 00:06:28.120 you could say definitively, I think, but Johnson seemed to 103 00:06:28.120 --> 00:06:31.279 show no interest in Cuba ever again for the rest 104 00:06:31.279 --> 00:06:32.439 of the time he's in officer. 105 00:06:32.519 --> 00:06:33.399 Maybe I'm paid. 106 00:06:33.279 --> 00:06:34.199 That's exactly right. 107 00:06:34.279 --> 00:06:37.600 And I and I've got documents that basically show him 108 00:06:37.600 --> 00:06:39.399 saying I don't want nothing to do with it. So 109 00:06:39.439 --> 00:06:42.759 that's what I want to talk about is kind of 110 00:06:42.800 --> 00:06:45.279 make put I'm gonna put a stuff a bunch of 111 00:06:45.279 --> 00:06:49.839 stuff together in October a timeline of documents and information 112 00:06:50.040 --> 00:06:53.480 and present that at the at the conference, and you know, 113 00:06:53.800 --> 00:06:56.560 one day it will be put into it would hopefully 114 00:06:56.560 --> 00:07:01.959 put into a book. But basically, to make a long 115 00:07:02.040 --> 00:07:07.680 story short, I believe that there was an effort among 116 00:07:08.360 --> 00:07:12.360 somebody or maybe multiple groups two. 117 00:07:15.839 --> 00:07:18.319 Spark a war in Cuba. 118 00:07:18.839 --> 00:07:23.639 And that not necessarily mean they're all involved in the assassination. 119 00:07:24.279 --> 00:07:26.720 It could have been after the fact trying to take 120 00:07:26.759 --> 00:07:30.560 advantage of it. For example, the d are the Cuban 121 00:07:30.600 --> 00:07:37.720 and di Castro group that Jefferson Morley has shown as 122 00:07:38.000 --> 00:07:41.839 you know, getting assistance of some CAA figures that group 123 00:07:42.360 --> 00:07:44.399 immediately after the assassination. 124 00:07:44.480 --> 00:07:46.360 I'm talking minutes after the assassination. 125 00:07:47.240 --> 00:07:51.279 Within an hour, we're putting out pressure releases and statements 126 00:07:51.319 --> 00:07:58.879 linking Oswald to Castro in Cuba. So there may have 127 00:07:58.879 --> 00:08:03.079 been multiple people or groups doing things, you know, not 128 00:08:03.439 --> 00:08:05.680 on the assassination so to speak, but. 129 00:08:07.199 --> 00:08:12.560 Ed when Johnson, you know, is presented with. 130 00:08:14.000 --> 00:08:20.480 The morning after assassination with dubious information that Oswald got 131 00:08:20.519 --> 00:08:23.879 money from a Cuban when Oswald was in Mexico. 132 00:08:23.600 --> 00:08:27.000 City, that could have something to do with paying him 133 00:08:27.040 --> 00:08:28.079 to do the assassination. 134 00:08:29.720 --> 00:08:35.919 He supposedly waives these around to people and most likely 135 00:08:36.039 --> 00:08:39.399 uses them as a justification with thorough Warren to get 136 00:08:39.440 --> 00:08:43.039 him on the warrant commission. But these this this information 137 00:08:43.159 --> 00:08:44.679 is actually debunked. 138 00:08:46.080 --> 00:08:49.000 Over the course of a couple of days by the FBI. 139 00:08:49.480 --> 00:08:52.639 Then the CIA has to distance itself from it too. 140 00:08:53.159 --> 00:08:56.639 Well, there's circumstantial issues here because look, you have what 141 00:08:56.759 --> 00:08:58.360 is not known to the public at the time, which 142 00:08:58.399 --> 00:09:01.000 is the whole Mexico City trip, and then you have 143 00:09:01.080 --> 00:09:02.799 what is known to the public, which is, you know, 144 00:09:03.200 --> 00:09:06.840 over the weekend of the assassination, right when Oswald's in custody, 145 00:09:07.519 --> 00:09:11.120 all across the country, at least clips of those interviews 146 00:09:11.600 --> 00:09:13.519 that he did in New Orleans were played where he 147 00:09:13.679 --> 00:09:16.919 is a pro castro sympathizer, right, He's with the Fair 148 00:09:16.960 --> 00:09:22.320 Play for Cuba Committee, et cetera. Right, So these things 149 00:09:22.639 --> 00:09:25.039 are in the public mind. So it kind of makes 150 00:09:25.080 --> 00:09:28.960 sense that the anti you know, the anti Castro Cubans 151 00:09:28.960 --> 00:09:32.200 would immediately point to it because they were already aware 152 00:09:32.240 --> 00:09:35.799 of him through that, right, I mean, the class in 153 00:09:35.840 --> 00:09:38.080 the street, the thing that gets arrested and all of that, 154 00:09:38.279 --> 00:09:41.120 So which brought him to the attention a WDSU and 155 00:09:41.240 --> 00:09:44.320 also that guy with the Latin listening post radio show, 156 00:09:45.840 --> 00:09:47.720 you know who we find out later actually you know 157 00:09:48.039 --> 00:09:51.799 it was part of the those other little groups there 158 00:09:51.840 --> 00:09:56.039 that were all about getting involved in Latin America and 159 00:09:56.200 --> 00:10:00.480 fighting communism. You know, they were in on it and 160 00:10:00.519 --> 00:10:05.000 want to wanting to promote him almost, which is weird. 161 00:10:05.440 --> 00:10:08.559 The whole thing is strange, so you know. But but 162 00:10:08.720 --> 00:10:11.480 the thing is, once Oswald's. 163 00:10:10.960 --> 00:10:15.480 Dead, you know, there's nothing about Cuba again pretty much 164 00:10:15.519 --> 00:10:18.600 for years and years until people start making suppositions later 165 00:10:19.320 --> 00:10:21.279 where they're like, oh, well, you know it could have 166 00:10:21.279 --> 00:10:24.759 been over Cuba, right, Uh. The c Day thing, the 167 00:10:24.799 --> 00:10:27.399 thing that Lamar Waldron comes up with about oh, I 168 00:10:27.440 --> 00:10:30.759 don't know, forty years after the assassination, where he says, oh, look, 169 00:10:30.799 --> 00:10:32.159 you know, here's this contingency plan. 170 00:10:33.320 --> 00:10:35.879 They might have invaded Cuba. You know that might have 171 00:10:35.919 --> 00:10:36.759 been in the playoffs. 172 00:10:36.759 --> 00:10:38.360 I'll tell you something interesting. 173 00:10:38.720 --> 00:10:44.399 Yeah, the day of assassination, yep, that I don't have 174 00:10:45.000 --> 00:10:46.919 maybe the next day I don't have the document right 175 00:10:46.960 --> 00:10:50.080 in front of me. But uh, the Joint chiefs of staff, 176 00:10:50.559 --> 00:10:54.279 you know, every people think of le Maay and you know, 177 00:10:54.320 --> 00:10:55.919 you know you get the head of the Army, the 178 00:10:56.000 --> 00:10:58.000 Navy and so forth. 179 00:11:00.399 --> 00:11:01.519 Has had the Air Force. 180 00:11:02.879 --> 00:11:06.080 General Wheeler head of the Army, shoot head of the Marines. 181 00:11:06.600 --> 00:11:12.440 But anyway, beneath the Joint chiefs of Staff was the 182 00:11:12.960 --> 00:11:18.679 Joint Staff made up of five separate divisions of one 183 00:11:18.759 --> 00:11:23.879 hundred people each, and one of them was one hundred 184 00:11:23.919 --> 00:11:28.919 people whose job was to make plans, war plans. If 185 00:11:28.919 --> 00:11:32.559 we invade Cuba, they're you know, they make the plans. 186 00:11:32.200 --> 00:11:35.320 For it, if they if we're going to invade. 187 00:11:35.120 --> 00:11:37.440 Or do something in another country, you know, they're they're 188 00:11:37.480 --> 00:11:40.000 the ones making all the war plans up. And the 189 00:11:40.000 --> 00:11:43.000 way they organize it is you got these one hundred people, 190 00:11:43.879 --> 00:11:51.799 and you have officers mostly colonels majors that are coming 191 00:11:51.799 --> 00:11:54.879 from all the different branches of the armed services. So 192 00:11:55.360 --> 00:11:58.279 if you're going to do something like invade Cuba, you're 193 00:11:58.279 --> 00:12:01.519 going to have some Marine guys in their Air Force guys, 194 00:12:01.919 --> 00:12:05.879 and they're all you know, Army, they're all Navy, all 195 00:12:06.720 --> 00:12:09.559 each branch, so they can coordinate together and plan it 196 00:12:09.600 --> 00:12:10.000 all out. 197 00:12:10.679 --> 00:12:10.879 Right. 198 00:12:11.720 --> 00:12:17.840 Well, that's one division, okay. Another division is tasked with 199 00:12:18.000 --> 00:12:23.720 communications and delivery of orders. So if there is an 200 00:12:23.840 --> 00:12:29.240 order given to do a military action such as evade Cuba. 201 00:12:31.080 --> 00:12:34.279 The order would come from the President to the Secretary 202 00:12:34.279 --> 00:12:35.360 of Defense. 203 00:12:36.960 --> 00:12:38.399 Down to these guys. Right. 204 00:12:39.039 --> 00:12:42.639 It's not General le may or General Wheeler or the 205 00:12:42.720 --> 00:12:46.440 Joint chiefs of Staff you know, that are given out orders. 206 00:12:46.639 --> 00:12:52.559 It's this segment of the Joint chiefs of Staff. Now 207 00:12:52.679 --> 00:12:58.159 what's interesting is the head of that sent a memo. 208 00:12:59.480 --> 00:13:00.879 It charged these one hundred men. 209 00:13:01.320 --> 00:13:04.639 He sent a memo to General Maxwell Taylor, who is 210 00:13:04.679 --> 00:13:08.519 the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, when Kennedy 211 00:13:08.639 --> 00:13:13.840 was killed, and he said, there are a couple briefing 212 00:13:13.919 --> 00:13:18.519 items I think you need to brief Lynn and Johnson on, okay, 213 00:13:20.200 --> 00:13:29.919 And one was the tingency plans for nuclear war, right, 214 00:13:30.480 --> 00:13:32.639 you know what, you know, the briefcase and all that 215 00:13:32.720 --> 00:13:36.039 kind of stuff. That's kind of what you expect every 216 00:13:36.080 --> 00:13:38.039 president to get, you know, some sort of. 217 00:13:37.960 --> 00:13:44.080 Briefing on right, yep. Another thing was access to Berlin 218 00:13:45.440 --> 00:13:49.879 that was a Cold War hotspot at the time, right. 219 00:13:49.840 --> 00:13:53.759 Indanced in West Berlin, both in conflict, you know the 220 00:13:53.840 --> 00:13:55.919 wall there all that, yeah, of course. 221 00:13:57.559 --> 00:14:01.919 And next was our invasion planes at Cuba and Vietnam 222 00:14:02.000 --> 00:14:08.000 wasn't on the agenda, so that's where their minds were at. 223 00:14:10.200 --> 00:14:12.480 Now, Johnson. 224 00:14:14.039 --> 00:14:19.000 Has a meeting about Cuba with some CIA people and 225 00:14:19.039 --> 00:14:23.320 someone representing the Joint Chiest of Staff, you know, and 226 00:14:23.320 --> 00:14:26.200 then to be probably M. George Bundy, there a couple others, 227 00:14:27.159 --> 00:14:29.759 and he just you know, they're trying to brief them 228 00:14:29.759 --> 00:14:33.559 on not invading Cuba, but just what's going on in 229 00:14:33.639 --> 00:14:36.480 covert operations and so forth, and he just tells them, 230 00:14:36.480 --> 00:14:37.720 I don't want nothing to do with it. 231 00:14:40.360 --> 00:14:43.559 He's done with it. And at the same. 232 00:14:43.399 --> 00:14:49.159 Time a day or this happened a few days after 233 00:14:49.159 --> 00:14:52.960 the assassination, this meeting, but there's a famous meeting the 234 00:14:53.120 --> 00:15:00.000 day after the assassination. It's Johnson has a meeting about 235 00:15:00.159 --> 00:15:04.240 Vietnam of Henry Cabot Lodge, Robert McNamar, Dean Russ, John 236 00:15:04.320 --> 00:15:09.639 mccoone right, And there's pictures taken of it and they 237 00:15:09.759 --> 00:15:12.559 show that to the press to show Johnson. 238 00:15:12.159 --> 00:15:19.279 On the job. Well, in that meeting, there's no talk 239 00:15:19.399 --> 00:15:20.159 of escalation. 240 00:15:21.519 --> 00:15:26.840 In fact, the second the ambassador, Henry Cabot Lodge, he's 241 00:15:26.840 --> 00:15:30.159 in the in the meeting, and he talks about the 242 00:15:30.159 --> 00:15:33.519 withdrawal plan and they might be able to be achieving it. 243 00:15:33.559 --> 00:15:34.879 They might be able to achieve. 244 00:15:34.559 --> 00:15:40.200 It, and you know, there's he makes out like everything 245 00:15:40.799 --> 00:15:48.759 is okay. When the meeting's over, Bill Moyers is standing outside. 246 00:15:49.720 --> 00:15:54.159 Who he's a people know of him as being on 247 00:15:54.240 --> 00:15:57.919 PBS or had been on you know, host on PBS 248 00:15:57.960 --> 00:16:00.879 for a long time. But but he came out of 249 00:16:00.919 --> 00:16:05.519 the Johnson administration. He was a Johnson crony, right and 250 00:16:05.600 --> 00:16:09.639 one of his best buddies basically, And he's staying outside 251 00:16:09.639 --> 00:16:14.960 the office and Johnson tells him, I'm gonna have to 252 00:16:15.000 --> 00:16:16.559 go to war in Vietnam because. 253 00:16:16.360 --> 00:16:19.600 It's what the Kennedys are telling me to do. A 254 00:16:19.639 --> 00:16:20.399 complete lie. 255 00:16:22.879 --> 00:16:27.600 This is a story, Bill Moyers tells. So either he's 256 00:16:27.720 --> 00:16:29.440 lying or Lennon Johnson's line. 257 00:16:31.919 --> 00:16:36.519 Well, okay, but see here's the thing what they're doing 258 00:16:36.840 --> 00:16:40.159 for you know, the press photo is one thing, right, 259 00:16:40.960 --> 00:16:44.000 and the meeting they have there that this is still 260 00:16:44.080 --> 00:16:48.000 you know, all the Kennedy administration people are still in place, right. 261 00:16:47.840 --> 00:16:49.759 I mean, Johnson takes his small team. 262 00:16:49.559 --> 00:16:53.600 In, but he hasn't replaced anybody, not yet, not yet, right, 263 00:16:53.840 --> 00:16:57.799 So this is still dealing with the Kennedy administration just now. 264 00:16:57.799 --> 00:16:59.200 President Johnson is ahead of it. 265 00:17:00.639 --> 00:17:03.840 So whatever was going on, it would make sense that 266 00:17:03.960 --> 00:17:07.000 Kennedy's CIA director and Kennedy's other people went in and said, 267 00:17:07.039 --> 00:17:09.039 well what about this withdraw a plan and everything else. 268 00:17:09.559 --> 00:17:11.400 So he's evaluating all this, which. 269 00:17:11.240 --> 00:17:12.960 He should be doing, right. 270 00:17:13.359 --> 00:17:17.000 And then a little while after this is when it's like, Okay, no, 271 00:17:17.079 --> 00:17:22.160 I'm not doing that, I'm doing something else. But he's 272 00:17:22.160 --> 00:17:25.079 going to war in Vietnam because that's what the Kennedys want. 273 00:17:25.400 --> 00:17:27.319 That's what he's telling Bill Moyer's. 274 00:17:28.839 --> 00:17:33.039 And then you know, after that meeting about Cuba I 275 00:17:33.119 --> 00:17:36.640 told you about, he sends a memo the Joint Chiefs 276 00:17:36.640 --> 00:17:39.319 of Staff want to meet him. Okay, that one guy 277 00:17:39.359 --> 00:17:42.680 told you sends this memo to Taylor. Taylor sends a 278 00:17:42.680 --> 00:17:47.440 memo about, you know, asking to meet, telling LBJ, we 279 00:17:47.480 --> 00:17:50.319 want to meet with you. He stalls and won't meet 280 00:17:50.359 --> 00:17:52.960 with him for a week. But before he finally does 281 00:17:53.039 --> 00:17:55.839 meet with him, he sends the Joint Chiefs of Staff 282 00:17:55.839 --> 00:18:01.680 a memo saying, Vietnam is now hot my top priority, right, yeah, 283 00:18:02.119 --> 00:18:05.799 our number one party is of the Vietnam Vietnam and you. 284 00:18:05.759 --> 00:18:07.240 Know, of course he is. 285 00:18:08.319 --> 00:18:12.680 By then he's signed that NSM two seventy three right, 286 00:18:13.279 --> 00:18:15.039 which has been altered a. 287 00:18:15.039 --> 00:18:17.119 Little bit to be from what Kennedy. 288 00:18:17.200 --> 00:18:20.920 There's a draft before Kennedy's killed, and the one Johnson 289 00:18:21.000 --> 00:18:21.799 signs is. 290 00:18:23.240 --> 00:18:24.839 Has more aggressive language in it. 291 00:18:25.039 --> 00:18:26.960 Yeah, he signed that on Monday though, right, I mean 292 00:18:27.000 --> 00:18:28.519 Monday after the assassination. 293 00:18:28.720 --> 00:18:31.519 So I mean it's happening fast. 294 00:18:31.519 --> 00:18:35.000 It's happening pretty quick, right, you know, So Kennedy's dead 295 00:18:35.000 --> 00:18:38.519 on a Friday, that he's going into the ground on Monday, and. 296 00:18:39.039 --> 00:18:42.720 He's signing this thing. Yeah, so that's what's happening. 297 00:18:42.799 --> 00:18:43.039 See. 298 00:18:43.039 --> 00:18:45.680 But but there you go all this, you know, talking 299 00:18:45.720 --> 00:18:49.039 about what the Kennedy's wanted, though it is a kind 300 00:18:49.079 --> 00:18:51.440 of a shrewd political move because. 301 00:18:52.920 --> 00:18:55.240 If it's not the popular thing that. 302 00:18:55.160 --> 00:18:58.000 People want done, if that wasn't the way to go, 303 00:18:58.160 --> 00:19:01.559 he can still blame it on his predece eser at. 304 00:19:01.359 --> 00:19:02.559 That point, right. 305 00:19:03.519 --> 00:19:03.960 Yeah. 306 00:19:04.000 --> 00:19:06.359 So that's what I'm thinking is that that's what he 307 00:19:06.480 --> 00:19:06.799 was doing. 308 00:19:06.839 --> 00:19:09.119 And that was the thing when we watched that PBS 309 00:19:09.160 --> 00:19:10.519 thing a couple of years ago, and you and I 310 00:19:10.519 --> 00:19:12.160 tried to do the review and we couldn't even get 311 00:19:12.160 --> 00:19:14.640 through it to do the whole review on here, is 312 00:19:14.680 --> 00:19:17.079 that they were making that case on there that. Look, 313 00:19:17.119 --> 00:19:18.880 you know, it's not Johnson's fault. He was just picking 314 00:19:18.960 --> 00:19:22.880 up where the Kennedys were going, and it's like, uh no, 315 00:19:23.839 --> 00:19:26.160 that's not what was happening there, you know, So I 316 00:19:26.440 --> 00:19:28.279 don't know that. That's why it's it's going to be 317 00:19:28.279 --> 00:19:30.039 really interesting to see what you come up with in 318 00:19:30.079 --> 00:19:35.880 this book because or even this presentation at Lancer. But 319 00:19:35.920 --> 00:19:38.519 you're gonna get stuff together about QBA two and try 320 00:19:38.559 --> 00:19:40.960 to reveal to people what was happening in real time 321 00:19:41.000 --> 00:19:41.839 there too as well. 322 00:19:41.920 --> 00:19:47.160 Right, well, yeah, somewhat, yeah, Okay, that's that's a huge 323 00:19:48.440 --> 00:19:50.160 topic to through. 324 00:19:51.200 --> 00:19:54.119 Well yeah, but with a few que a few key points, 325 00:19:54.319 --> 00:19:56.119 I'm sure you can get you for sure, you know. 326 00:19:56.519 --> 00:19:58.359 And that's the thing here is, I don't think it 327 00:19:58.400 --> 00:19:59.160 takes everything. 328 00:19:59.240 --> 00:20:01.559 It doesn't take the you know, it doesn't take all 329 00:20:01.599 --> 00:20:04.359 the documentation, all the meetings and everything to really boil 330 00:20:04.400 --> 00:20:06.759 it down. You know, all you have to do is 331 00:20:06.759 --> 00:20:08.960 take a look at the major things. Where would there 332 00:20:09.039 --> 00:20:13.119 have been a major move right, when would that have 333 00:20:13.240 --> 00:20:15.400 to have been discussed? Obviously he would have had to 334 00:20:15.440 --> 00:20:19.160 discuss it with his National Security Council, right, because anytime 335 00:20:19.160 --> 00:20:21.279 we're going to engage in a war. Our president needs 336 00:20:21.279 --> 00:20:24.160 to go over that with his National Security Council, I'm 337 00:20:24.160 --> 00:20:28.519 thinking and the Joint chiefs. Yeah, that meeting has to 338 00:20:28.559 --> 00:20:31.640 take place in order for him to say, look, you 339 00:20:31.640 --> 00:20:33.359 got to get your guys ready to do all this 340 00:20:33.400 --> 00:20:35.680 stuff because you're at the heads of each of the 341 00:20:35.720 --> 00:20:39.240 military services, right, So, I mean that's what I would 342 00:20:39.240 --> 00:20:39.880 think logically. 343 00:20:39.920 --> 00:20:43.799 Maybe I'm wrong, but that's the two main things. 344 00:20:43.799 --> 00:20:45.279 And then of course you got to meet with the 345 00:20:45.640 --> 00:20:49.000 Secretary of Defense and tell him, look, this is what 346 00:20:49.039 --> 00:20:52.400 we're going to be doing, and this is what we're 347 00:20:52.400 --> 00:20:55.759 not going to do. So you know, look, he was 348 00:20:55.799 --> 00:20:58.240 writing out an agenda here. Now, whether it was his 349 00:20:58.319 --> 00:21:02.039 agenda or it was somebody else's, we could always try 350 00:21:02.079 --> 00:21:04.160 to sort that suss that out from what we see. 351 00:21:04.880 --> 00:21:07.039 But this idea that he was just picking up where 352 00:21:07.079 --> 00:21:10.119 Kennedy left off is ridiculous to my mind. 353 00:21:10.160 --> 00:21:12.799 You know, Oh, it's completely ridiculous. 354 00:21:12.559 --> 00:21:12.799 You know. 355 00:21:12.839 --> 00:21:13.960 So, and that's the thing. 356 00:21:14.079 --> 00:21:16.000 This is one of the main principles why I think 357 00:21:16.000 --> 00:21:18.400 it's worth it to pursue the assassination is because in 358 00:21:18.440 --> 00:21:21.359 my mind, the Vietnam War would not have happened had 359 00:21:21.440 --> 00:21:25.079 Kennedy lived. I don't think he was going there. It 360 00:21:25.119 --> 00:21:29.200 doesn't look that way to me. I've had more than 361 00:21:29.240 --> 00:21:33.200 one person argue that with me, you know, but the 362 00:21:33.279 --> 00:21:35.960 truth is, it just doesn't look like that's where Kennedy 363 00:21:36.079 --> 00:21:39.119 was going. If he had been re elected in sixty four, 364 00:21:39.200 --> 00:21:42.160 I don't think we would have had what Johnson did. 365 00:21:42.359 --> 00:21:45.880 You know, Johnson skates right on in there, and he 366 00:21:45.920 --> 00:21:52.519 does ride the sentimentality, you know, the grieving nation. He's 367 00:21:52.559 --> 00:21:55.759 able to utilize that for his own political purposes domestically 368 00:21:55.839 --> 00:21:58.000 as well, because that's the other agenda, right that everybody 369 00:21:58.000 --> 00:22:02.160 points to is Johnson's domestic agenda, and oh, well, you 370 00:22:02.200 --> 00:22:04.559 know he passed all this other stuff. And then they say, well, 371 00:22:04.599 --> 00:22:07.079 you know, was he actually all four civil rights or not? 372 00:22:07.240 --> 00:22:08.039 Da da da da dah. 373 00:22:08.039 --> 00:22:11.960 Okay, probably not, but it was politically advantageous. 374 00:22:12.680 --> 00:22:15.079 So were the Kennedys. 375 00:22:14.640 --> 00:22:17.440 Really working on that or was that something that was 376 00:22:17.640 --> 00:22:21.559 just simply brought into play? And then sort of you know, 377 00:22:21.960 --> 00:22:24.799 it's there's a lot to be discussed there, and it's 378 00:22:24.839 --> 00:22:28.960 impossible to know definitively that Kennedy would or would not 379 00:22:29.039 --> 00:22:31.720 have done whatever, because he could have changed any day. 380 00:22:31.839 --> 00:22:32.960 On what he was doing. 381 00:22:33.039 --> 00:22:35.079 I get that part but the way it looks to 382 00:22:35.119 --> 00:22:36.160 me is. 383 00:22:36.119 --> 00:22:39.119 That we wouldn't have the Vietnam War. It just would 384 00:22:39.240 --> 00:22:42.279 not have occurred. You know, the advisors were going to 385 00:22:42.319 --> 00:22:44.279 be removed. Everybody was supposed to be out of there 386 00:22:44.279 --> 00:22:46.400 by the end of sixty five, and I mean everybody. 387 00:22:47.440 --> 00:22:49.640 So that to me looks like we're out of there, 388 00:22:50.240 --> 00:22:52.000 you know, we're no longer involved in what they were 389 00:22:52.039 --> 00:22:55.960 calling what endo China in the nineteen sixty debates. Right, 390 00:22:57.000 --> 00:23:02.319 But anyway, that's what I see. You also sent me 391 00:23:02.319 --> 00:23:05.680 a link to a to a book about a General Walker, 392 00:23:05.720 --> 00:23:08.359 and of course that plays a part in the Kennedy 393 00:23:08.359 --> 00:23:10.720 assassination story, because there are a lot of people that 394 00:23:11.240 --> 00:23:13.960 see your eye, especially the official story that Oswald may 395 00:23:13.960 --> 00:23:17.119 have been d taken a shot at at General Walker. 396 00:23:18.640 --> 00:23:20.599 And there have been books, you know, and and different 397 00:23:20.599 --> 00:23:23.359 authors who have researched this and tried to make different 398 00:23:24.160 --> 00:23:26.279 you know, thesis work here that either he did or 399 00:23:26.279 --> 00:23:30.200 did not do that realistically. And I noted that you 400 00:23:30.200 --> 00:23:32.319 you sent me a link to a book about that, 401 00:23:33.400 --> 00:23:36.359