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<v Speaker 1>And you're able to hold on.

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<v Speaker 2>You're able to do enough in the Astros win last night,

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<v Speaker 2>as you just heard Robert Ford tell you right there, and.

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<v Speaker 1>With that we say away we go.

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<v Speaker 2>Good morning here on the Sean Salisbury Show Sports Talk

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<v Speaker 2>seven ninety it's Dan Matthews here with you, Ari Alexander

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<v Speaker 2>KPRC two hanging out with us this morning here as Ari,

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<v Speaker 2>did you push that red button right there that turns

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<v Speaker 2>on the microphone. Gosh, there you are. Yeh, that's it? Man, morning,

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<v Speaker 2>how about it?

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<v Speaker 1>Huh?

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<v Speaker 2>You TV guys, you usually have to stay up late,

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<v Speaker 2>and you're waking up early with us.

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<v Speaker 3>I appreciate it. Man, didn't even know six o'clock existed. Man,

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<v Speaker 3>this is get to the airport time. I was gonna say.

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<v Speaker 2>This is, you know, one of those that Randy McAvoy,

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<v Speaker 2>hey man, you know need you to go to Cleveland,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, follow the Texans up there. That's that's about

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<v Speaker 2>my best Randy. The guy that usually sits in your

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<v Speaker 2>chair in the afternoon. Adam Clanton, he does a spot

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<v Speaker 2>on Randy.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm not gonna do it right now, but I

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<v Speaker 3>can rival Adam Clinton's impression.

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<v Speaker 2>You've got a pretty good one I've got. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's only six oh three, so I like our chances

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<v Speaker 2>of maybe being able to coax that value or the

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<v Speaker 2>show is over there we go, but are gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>with me tomorrow and also today? Obviously, I mean you're

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<v Speaker 2>here right now, so we know that's the case. But

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<v Speaker 2>I mean the Astros last night able to get the win.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess we can kind of start from the beginning

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<v Speaker 2>to the end here. Colton Gordon much improved this time

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<v Speaker 2>around and runs into a little bit of trouble there

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<v Speaker 2>in the fourth and then the fifth, but able to

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<v Speaker 2>get through five and a third last night.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he Sawid works fast.

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<v Speaker 3>He's a guy that not gonna walk a lot of people,

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<v Speaker 3>but he doesn't throw very hard. He's in ninety one

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<v Speaker 3>miles an hour. Crafty lefty is how he's described what

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<v Speaker 3>everyone describes him as, and he's a guy that he's

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<v Speaker 3>there to fill in, but he's also not bad. So

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<v Speaker 3>right now, where you have all these pictures injured, Hayden

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<v Speaker 3>Wisnski out for the year with Tommy John surgery, You're

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<v Speaker 3>still waiting on Spencer Arraghetty to come back. You're still

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<v Speaker 3>seeing how far into a game Lance mccullor Junior can go,

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<v Speaker 3>and you had all these these pitchers, all this depth.

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<v Speaker 3>Still don't know when Luis Garcia is coming back, still

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<v Speaker 3>tracking Christian Javier after the All Star break, JP Franz

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<v Speaker 3>potentially after the All Star break. If you can come

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<v Speaker 3>in and get a guy like Colton Gordon to be solid,

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<v Speaker 3>to be what he was last night five and a third.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, he gives up a couple home runs. These

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<v Speaker 3>are good major league hitters, but struck out some guys,

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<v Speaker 3>didn't walk anyone. If he can keep doing that, you

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<v Speaker 3>stabilize that five spot. I like where he's at right

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<v Speaker 3>now because they've done a great job of developing guys

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<v Speaker 3>out of nowhere. He's a little less than out of nowhere,

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<v Speaker 3>like a JP Franz was out of nowhere. Out of nowhere,

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<v Speaker 3>Colton Gordon is a bit of a guy. If he

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<v Speaker 3>can keep doing what he did last night, I think

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<v Speaker 3>they've been good. On the pitching side. The bullpen has

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<v Speaker 3>been incredible this year. You have guys truly coming out

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<v Speaker 3>of nowhere, which is bullpens are known to do, and

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<v Speaker 3>you can sustain winning as long as the lineup can

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<v Speaker 3>give you a little You don't have to be great.

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<v Speaker 3>You're surviving without jord On Alvarez. But if you can

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<v Speaker 3>get five and a third three runs out of a

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<v Speaker 3>guy that probably shouldn't even be in the big leagues

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<v Speaker 3>this year because you assumed you had all this depth,

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<v Speaker 3>you're doing fine.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you mentioned the bullpen and they were fantastic

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<v Speaker 2>again last night. You get in inning in a third

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<v Speaker 2>out of Brian King, he gives up that inherited run

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<v Speaker 2>but still scoreless to his ledger. And then Brian A Bray,

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<v Speaker 2>you fantastic. And then Josh Hater. I mean twelve times

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<v Speaker 2>you've called on him in save situations this year, twelve

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<v Speaker 2>times he's answered.

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<v Speaker 3>You come into this year knowing you're eight to nine,

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<v Speaker 3>is locked down with two of the best relievers in

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<v Speaker 3>the game, even though they struggled a little more last

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<v Speaker 3>year than you would have expected. Especially you pay Hater

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<v Speaker 3>ninety five million, which present value the biggest closer contract

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<v Speaker 3>in all baseball. But you put this bullpend together with

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<v Speaker 3>the Steven Oker to the world, a guy that you

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<v Speaker 3>signed off the street, a veteran who's coming off a

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<v Speaker 3>bad year. Brian King, late round pick, absolutely came out

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<v Speaker 3>of nowhere, had a nice season, last year, but not

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<v Speaker 3>a big enough sample size to be able to rely

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<v Speaker 3>on him, and you maybe were looking at is Taylor

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<v Speaker 3>Scott going to be your seventh thinning guy this year?

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<v Speaker 3>He's not on the team anymore. He was just DFAD

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<v Speaker 3>and Brian King has stepped up. I mean he's got

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<v Speaker 3>a one something era. Steven Okert's got a one something era.

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<v Speaker 3>Caleb Ort now that he's back from injury, two oh

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<v Speaker 3>eight era, Dubin is off of injury, is pitched nicely.

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<v Speaker 1>Filling in.

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<v Speaker 3>Gusto has been stronger in that long relief role than

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<v Speaker 3>he has been as a starter. And suddenly you know

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<v Speaker 3>that seven eight nine you got King a bray, you hater,

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<v Speaker 3>and you have some other guys that can fit in there.

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<v Speaker 3>And Forrest Whitley is not too long from coming back,

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<v Speaker 3>and even though he keeps getting hurt, the guy does

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<v Speaker 3>not give up runs at the major league level. I

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<v Speaker 3>know the sample size is tiny, but the stuff is good.

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<v Speaker 3>If he can ever stay healthy, you do have a

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<v Speaker 3>bit of length. And that bullpen there so much so

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<v Speaker 3>that coming into this year they were relying on Miguel

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<v Speaker 3>Castro to be a big piece of their bullpen.

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<v Speaker 1>They paid him one point five million in the majors.

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<v Speaker 3>They never made the majors, and they just traded him

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<v Speaker 3>to the White Sox because they just flat out don't

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<v Speaker 3>need him.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean they've been fantastic, and I mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>guess the part that has been a little less to

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<v Speaker 2>be desired as the middle of the lineup. And that

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<v Speaker 2>showed its head again last night where you move jose

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<v Speaker 2>Al two bay to the three spot. Now, granted, just

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<v Speaker 2>like Chas McCormick, it did look like he got one

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<v Speaker 2>that had a chance to get out to left, but

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<v Speaker 2>that wind just knocks it down, goes right into the

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<v Speaker 2>left fielder's glove. He wears an O for four last night.

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<v Speaker 2>Christian Walker, same deal, no shrikeouts I'll contact from him,

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<v Speaker 2>So I guess, I mean that's not nothing. And then

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<v Speaker 2>Jiner Diaz, who, I mean, what is it with him

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<v Speaker 2>in that low and away slider man Like he just

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<v Speaker 2>he cannot lay off of that pitch right.

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<v Speaker 1>Now and you want him to learn eventually.

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<v Speaker 3>He's a guy as a catcher, He's sitting there seeing

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<v Speaker 3>all that kind of stuff coming from his pitchers and

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<v Speaker 3>it takes a while. I mean catchers develop later into

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<v Speaker 3>their career he's such a free swinger and that helps

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<v Speaker 3>you some of the time and it hurts you some

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<v Speaker 3>of the time. And I'm not sure how much I

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<v Speaker 3>like having him in Altuve in the lineup closer to

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<v Speaker 1>You want to keep those guys are not going to

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<v Speaker 3>You want to keep those guys as far away from

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<v Speaker 3>each other in the lineup as possible. But right now,

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<v Speaker 3>the way that they're built, Pain is looking really good

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<v Speaker 3>at the top of the lineup and they have to

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<v Speaker 3>move up east. Soak peretis because he's the guy that's

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<v Speaker 3>going to take pitches. I think Christian Walker is a

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<v Speaker 3>guy who you want to see take more pitches, who

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<v Speaker 3>you want to see walk more. But he's at a

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<v Speaker 3>point of the year where he's working out some of

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<v Speaker 3>the mechanical stuff, and he hasn't had a good start

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<v Speaker 3>to the year. And it's shown in flashes. This is

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<v Speaker 3>not a Joseo Bravey situation. It is shown and flashes

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<v Speaker 3>and you are missing yord On Alvarez even though he

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't playing well to start the year.

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<v Speaker 1>You have the benefit of the doubt there.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, how many years now has he been one

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<v Speaker 3>of the most feared hitters in baseball that he'll find

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<v Speaker 3>his I was just thinking about this morning, like we

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<v Speaker 3>miss Dusty a little bit. Water finds its level. It's

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<v Speaker 3>one of those things that you don't think about that

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<v Speaker 3>you've heard Dusty say sixty times and then you're brushing

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<v Speaker 3>your teeth in your morning, You're like, yeah, water finds

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<v Speaker 3>its level. So that's that's what's gonna happen with jord

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<v Speaker 3>On Alvarez. Eventually it should happen with al Tuo Bay.

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<v Speaker 3>You hope it happens with Altuo Bay because he is

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<v Speaker 3>in the first of a five year extension. You hope

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<v Speaker 3>that the decline is now. He's just a guy that

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<v Speaker 3>you cannot be that close to the lineup to I

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<v Speaker 3>and or Diaz. I want to see a little bit

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<v Speaker 3>of those those different mixes. And I want to see

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<v Speaker 3>Christian Walker take some more pitches because I know it's

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<v Speaker 3>in there and you got it right now. They're moving east,

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<v Speaker 3>soak up to the two hole for a good reason,

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<v Speaker 3>because pain is that bats are quick.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a guy that likes to swing as well.

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<v Speaker 3>He doesn't walk a lot, even though he's been tremendous

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<v Speaker 3>this year and the walk rate is up but there

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<v Speaker 3>are some lineup construction things they can do. Yeah, that

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<v Speaker 3>middle You're right, the middle of the lineup is not

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<v Speaker 3>as dangerous as it could be. The good thing they're

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<v Speaker 3>winning and half the team is not hitting even close

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<v Speaker 3>to what they can and have done.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's something that Dana Brown every single week he

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<v Speaker 2>is look, you know, the lineup still kind of trying

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<v Speaker 2>to catch up to what the pitching has given you.

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<v Speaker 2>And I mean that's the thing. You close that gap

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<v Speaker 2>just a little bit all of a sudden looking up

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<v Speaker 2>at the Mariners, and I know that you've been, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>neck and neck with the Rangers for right now. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean those two teams. You wonder if Seattle's going to

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<v Speaker 2>continue to hit this way. They've had some pitching injuries too.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh by the way too. I mean they're without a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of their key guys right now and they're able

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<v Speaker 2>to still pitch the way that they are. But then

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<v Speaker 2>the Rangers, I mean, aside from the starting rotation, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>you're you're a Mets guy. You know the story of

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<v Speaker 2>Jacob de Grom quite a bit that Yeah, he looked

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<v Speaker 2>really good the other night, And yeah, he can look

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<v Speaker 2>really good. But just like people here complain about Lance mccullors,

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<v Speaker 2>it's been the same thing with the Graham during his career.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and you're the Rangers. You pay this guy one

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<v Speaker 3>hundred and eighty five million, and it's because of the upside.

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<v Speaker 3>The upside is the best pitcher in baseball, potentially the

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<v Speaker 3>highest peak of any pitcher, like that night when he's

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<v Speaker 3>facing Hunter Brown.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, is a Mets guy.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going back and I'm watching twenty twenty one to

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<v Speaker 3>Gram highlights, which is the most insane pitching anyone potentially

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<v Speaker 3>has ever seen. He's not that guy anymore. He's still

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<v Speaker 3>really good at ninety seven. He's still really good with

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<v Speaker 3>the slider. But I mean, you've wistful de Gram at

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<v Speaker 3>one oh one with a ninety four mile slidering. You

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<v Speaker 3>just don't know when it breaks. There's a reason he's

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<v Speaker 3>ratcheted down this year. Jack Lyder had a nice start

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<v Speaker 1>They have some guys, they have the lineup.

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<v Speaker 3>I think the Rangers scare me more than the Mariners do,

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<v Speaker 3>a row, that they've had the pitching and they don't

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<v Speaker 3>have the lineup, and the lineup is finally hitting. How

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<v Speaker 3>long can can it last? Cal Rawley has been incredible.

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<v Speaker 3>They did a great job extending him. Julio Rodriguez is

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<v Speaker 3>getting paid two hundred million. He is not hitting the

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<v Speaker 3>way that you would expect him to. Ever since his

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<v Speaker 3>rookie year, he hasn't been quite as good. Jorge Polanco,

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<v Speaker 3>who the Astros chased after this offseason and didn't offer

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<v Speaker 3>him quite enough money, He's been really good. But if

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<v Speaker 3>you're the Mariners and you're the Astros and you're looking

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<v Speaker 3>at all, right, here's the guys we have that we're

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<v Speaker 3>relying on the rest of the year to produce. And

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<v Speaker 3>the Astros are waiting on Jose Altuve, a future Hall

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<v Speaker 3>of Famer, and Jordon Alvarez, one of the best hitters

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<v Speaker 3>in baseball. Those are the guys you're lying to regress

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<v Speaker 3>to better players. And then you're the Mariners and you're

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<v Speaker 3>range of outcomes. You're relying on Jorge Polanco, who's been

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<v Speaker 3>continue what he's doing, and you're relying on Julio Rodriguez,

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<v Speaker 3>who's obviously a really good player. But now we're starting

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<v Speaker 3>to go to a point where this is the third

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<v Speaker 3>year of Julio Rodriguez being good but not quite what

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<v Speaker 3>we saw the rookie year. And to me, it just

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<v Speaker 3>feels like from a trending standpoint, the Astros are in

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<v Speaker 1>Rain, you're scaring me a little bit. The Mariners don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, it's still a long way to go

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<v Speaker 2>as far as the season. I mean, you know, you're

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<v Speaker 2>not into Memorial Day yet. And I've had numerous people

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<v Speaker 2>that have been following baseball for years tell me, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>looking at the standings, They're like, no, don't, don't do

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<v Speaker 2>that yet. Don't don't. Don't even think about the standings

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<v Speaker 2>right now. They don't even matter Becausemorial Day is almost

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<v Speaker 2>kind of what Christmas Day is to the NBA. That

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<v Speaker 2>that's when the season in earnest gets going. In June

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<v Speaker 2>and July, that's when kind of the pretenders and contenders

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<v Speaker 2>actually start to separate themselves a little bit. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 2>you're so figuring out what your lineup is you're still

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<v Speaker 2>figuring out how much left field can josel Tube play?

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<v Speaker 2>How much can you move him back into second base?

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<v Speaker 2>Is Brendan Rodgers going to be good enough to play

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<v Speaker 2>their long term? Do you need to find someone else?

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<v Speaker 2>Who else are you going to mix in? What's going

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<v Speaker 2>on with the rest of the outfield? Cam Smith had

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<v Speaker 2>a couple hits last night. He's been better. Camp Smith

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<v Speaker 2>is above league average as a hitter, and he's been

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<v Speaker 2>playing a really good right field and even he's getting

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<v Speaker 2>mixed in with Zach Dezenzo's had his good stretches and

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<v Speaker 2>Chaz never plays. And he came off the bench and

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<v Speaker 2>had had a decent game, got his first RBI.

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<v Speaker 3>It is May what was it twentieth today? And he

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<v Speaker 3>got his first RBI on May nineteenth. And it's not

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<v Speaker 3>for lack of playing well, he just doesn't play. They're

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<v Speaker 3>such a weirdly built team sometimes because right now they're

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<v Speaker 3>carrying says our salas are that love, says our salas are.

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<v Speaker 3>But he hasn't had a bat. Couldn't you find someone

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<v Speaker 3>who's going to get in that bat? And I get

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<v Speaker 3>why he's there as the third catcher because Kartine has

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<v Speaker 3>been playing a lot and he's been really good, which,

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<v Speaker 3>by the way, shout out Dana Brown. I know he

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<v Speaker 3>gets a lot of criticism, sometimes it's deserved, and he

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<v Speaker 3>gets some praise sometimes it's deserved. One of these moments

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<v Speaker 3>where he gets praise and it's deserved, nailed the Victor Carrotini.

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<v Speaker 2>Signing absolutely, Yeah, there's no doubt about that. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>you know you're able to add him, and I mean

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<v Speaker 2>he's been a plus with the bat that I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's been the absolute added bonus you've been

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<v Speaker 2>able to get out of him. And I mean he's

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<v Speaker 2>been fantastic.

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<v Speaker 1>Last night.

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<v Speaker 2>You win that game huge part because of him six seven, eight,

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<v Speaker 2>nine last night, accounting for six of the eleven hits

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<v Speaker 2>that you got. So while we've talked about the middle

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<v Speaker 2>of the order has had their struggles, those guys have

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<v Speaker 2>also been the ones that have kind of carried this

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<v Speaker 3>You want to guess where the best hitter resides in

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<v Speaker 3>the Astros lineup?

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<v Speaker 2>It is Jake Myers batting seventh last night. It is

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<v Speaker 2>the ninth spot in general. Ah about that, which is insane?

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<v Speaker 3>Why why is your ninth spot your best hitter that's where,

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<v Speaker 3>like in literal league, you put the kid that plays

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<v Speaker 3>right field who's like not growing quite as fast as

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<v Speaker 3>the rest of the kids in fourth grade and is

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<v Speaker 3>out there picking his nose and maybe carried his juice

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<v Speaker 3>box in the back pocket to right field and it's

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<v Speaker 3>spilling a little bit down his pants, and you think

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<v Speaker 3>that might be something else, but it's just the apple juice.

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<v Speaker 1>That's your best part of your lineup. This is such

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<v Speaker 1>a weird team sometimes.

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<v Speaker 2>Dan, Yeah, there's no doubt about it. And hopefully you

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<v Speaker 2>can start to get to some of those other guys

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<v Speaker 2>going because I know the Astros could really use them,

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<v Speaker 2>no doubt about it. Again, Ari Alexander KPRC two hanging

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<v Speaker 2>out with me this morning in for Sean Tripoli is

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<v Speaker 2>still here and we'll continue the Astros conversation sebon one

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<v Speaker 2>in OKC. Some potential Rockets news to get into here

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<v Speaker 2>today as well as so we're already getting in the

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<v Speaker 2>rumor season and the Rockets of course gonna be in

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<v Speaker 2>the center of all of those. But coming up next,

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<v Speaker 2>we finally got hear from Jordan. But is it necessarily

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<v Speaker 2>the news that we wanted. We'll discuss that here. It

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<v Speaker 2>is The Sean Salisbury Show, right here on your home

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<v Speaker 2>with the Astros and the Rockets.

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<v Speaker 1>Sports Talk seventy ninety