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<v Speaker 1>Sorry a mad problem are wasted? Why God, he's mad?

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<v Speaker 2>I say, welcome, my fellow thought criminals, enemies of the state,

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<v Speaker 2>and feral humans. Wherever you might be, you're tuned into

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<v Speaker 2>the Jack Blood Show. We are live right here only

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<v Speaker 2>on the achellinetwork dot com every Thursday, Happy Thursday. Tell

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<v Speaker 2>your friends and support us. Please, got a great show

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<v Speaker 2>for you today.

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<v Speaker 1>It is if you didn't know because we missed you

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<v Speaker 1>last week, my vita loca. That's my excuse. I sent

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<v Speaker 1>that in.

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<v Speaker 2>I got permission from El Chucko five five twenty two.

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<v Speaker 1>It is uh Cinco de mayo, paison amigos. Great show

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<v Speaker 1>for you today. In the first hour, somebody.

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<v Speaker 2>I've I've done a bunch interviews with who's at the

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<v Speaker 2>center right If you watched anything I know, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>do this to you, a little entertainment news, but we'll.

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<v Speaker 1>Go from there.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll unravel the whole thing because I know, like me,

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<v Speaker 2>you're a little bit hooked on the Johnny depp amber

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<v Speaker 2>turd trial.

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<v Speaker 1>Did I just let my bias leak?

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<v Speaker 2>I can't stop myself, I can't look away. It is

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<v Speaker 2>the worst car accident reality show, well, maybe the best

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<v Speaker 2>reality show.

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<v Speaker 1>In the worst car accident you just.

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<v Speaker 2>Can't stop paying attention to. And it's consumed all the media.

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<v Speaker 2>So I have psychiatrists and media expert doctor Carol Lieberman

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<v Speaker 2>joining us in about twenty some minutes here at the

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<v Speaker 2>bottom of the hour. In the first hour, and we'll

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<v Speaker 2>get into some of that. I know you guys are like,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to hear any entertainment.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes you do. No, you can't look away either.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, if you're gonna listen to this later, it's

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<v Speaker 2>probably because you're watching the trial live as we speak.

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<v Speaker 1>Also on the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Today, my old buddy Greg Pallace joins us. He's an

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<v Speaker 2>investigative reporter and, like doctor Lieberman, a best selling author

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<v Speaker 2>multiple times over. He will join us live from his

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<v Speaker 2>bunker in Los Angeles in the second hour of the broadcast. Today,

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<v Speaker 2>Man and speaking of victim parades, speaking of theater of Matts,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess we'll just do the news for the first hour.

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<v Speaker 1>I always have this huge.

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<v Speaker 2>Amount of news. I remember back in the old days,

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<v Speaker 2>we would print it out.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like the.

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<v Speaker 2>Commercial for the insurance company. You know, how not to

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<v Speaker 2>be your dad. You don't have to print the internet. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>that's what we used. We used to do that. It

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<v Speaker 2>was an absurd waste of paper. I think somewhere the

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<v Speaker 2>fat man in Texas is still doing that because you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you gotta have the paper and a shuffler around.

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<v Speaker 2>It makes it look, makes it more dramatic. Here here's

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<v Speaker 2>my paper. Here's all of documents I have. Can you

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<v Speaker 2>hear them?

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<v Speaker 3>All?

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<v Speaker 1>Right? Probably not that I subscribe to Quiet Paper. That's

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<v Speaker 1>something I'm into.

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<v Speaker 2>So I guess we got to start right off with

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<v Speaker 2>the whole abortion politics.

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<v Speaker 1>I hate doing this. I don't want to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to take aside this is the new

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<v Speaker 2>thing that you're only allowed to talk about a certain

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<v Speaker 2>way of course as a avowed heterodox.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm gonna get docks for this. I have to

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<v Speaker 1>weigh in on.

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<v Speaker 2>It because the hysteria is massive. I used to call

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<v Speaker 2>this vomit politics. And that's not to make light of

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<v Speaker 2>a women's right to choose how she deals with her

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<v Speaker 2>own body. This is gonna make some of you mad.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm one hundred percent for it. I think we should

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<v Speaker 2>all have a right to choose what we do with

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<v Speaker 2>the key piece of property. Remember that our constitution is

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<v Speaker 2>life liberty and property and by the way, the pursuit

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<v Speaker 2>of happiness. What a joke that kind of is. But

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<v Speaker 2>if you're born rich, I'm sure you believe that. And

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<v Speaker 2>let's face it, the guys that wrote the Constitution were

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit rich and privileged.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going there.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's kind of where I need to start with

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<v Speaker 2>the Supreme Court Rowe versus Wade, and how the states

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<v Speaker 2>are dealing with abortion. But let's remember that this is

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<v Speaker 2>vomit politics. Gun rights and that's an actual second Amendment

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<v Speaker 2>that's actually in the Bill of Rights, but that can

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<v Speaker 2>be used for vomit politics as well. This is a

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<v Speaker 2>vomit politic. Is the thing that distracts you from and

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<v Speaker 2>you fight, and you divide, and they conquer versus you know,

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<v Speaker 2>all the stuff that's.

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<v Speaker 1>Very very very very very very very very.

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<v Speaker 2>Very mucho important in your everyday lives. That's why we're here,

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<v Speaker 2>that's why I came back, that's why we're doing this

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<v Speaker 2>radio show today and any day. Man, we got to

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<v Speaker 2>cut through this. We cannot let them derail us and

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<v Speaker 2>distract us from the things that are very important to

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<v Speaker 2>our families. I assume because I think I appealed to

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<v Speaker 2>the working class more than the elite class. And if

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<v Speaker 2>you were one of the elites, please stay with us

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<v Speaker 2>and you can help us. I know some of these people,

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<v Speaker 2>and Johnny Depp is one of those people. We'll get

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<v Speaker 2>to that in about twenty minutes on the broadcast.

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<v Speaker 1>So what is going on?

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<v Speaker 2>So, first of all, a bunch of states with Republican

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<v Speaker 2>governors and Republican legislatures started monkeying around with your right

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<v Speaker 2>to have a late abortion, okay, and that was completely

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<v Speaker 2>misrepresented and politiced to the extreme, But it wasn't enough

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<v Speaker 2>because I don't think people were biting on that. So

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<v Speaker 2>recently some document was allegedly and I've never seen a

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<v Speaker 2>document leak like this from the Supreme Court, so I

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<v Speaker 2>it's a little bit fishy that that even happened to

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<v Speaker 2>begin with. We're gonna wait and see what happens there.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's a whole other issue. So at first, what

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<v Speaker 2>was happening was as a matter of red politic and

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<v Speaker 2>it's all politics. The Republicans and Republican states were doing

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<v Speaker 2>two things. One, they were getting rid of COVID mandates. Yay,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, you disagree with me on that, but that's

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<v Speaker 2>hurt people immeasurably, put people in a lot of debt

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<v Speaker 2>and killed people, and it's still killing people today. They

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<v Speaker 2>say that COVID is back. I mean, who knows where

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<v Speaker 2>we're gonna go with this? So, I mean already mask

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<v Speaker 2>mandates are starting to come back just after we got

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<v Speaker 2>rid of them. It reminds you of how they pull

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<v Speaker 2>the rug out of us, underneath us the first time.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh it's over, COVID is over. Go back and watch

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<v Speaker 2>a band and go out and enjoy your life again,

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<v Speaker 2>and get a job again. You can have your job

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<v Speaker 2>back now, maybe to on who you worked for. It

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<v Speaker 2>didn't work out for me, didn't work out for my girl.

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<v Speaker 2>We lost our jobs through COVID. That's a whole nother story.

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<v Speaker 2>But but what were those state mandates saying? What were

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<v Speaker 2>the laws that were being passed saying as opposed to

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<v Speaker 2>what you heard and what you're allowed to talk about.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is kind of a sticking point for me.

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<v Speaker 2>I one hundred percent pro choice again, pro choice for

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<v Speaker 2>the needles, pro choice for you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know what you want to do with your body.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're a woman, I'd like to see men have

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<v Speaker 2>choose in that, but they can take precautions if they

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to go into that realm. This has probably

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<v Speaker 2>happened to a lot of you, and know what's happened.

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<v Speaker 1>To me, and it's heartbreaking. I don't want that to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>At the same time, we've got a lot of other

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<v Speaker 2>things going on. One of them is massive overpopulation of

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<v Speaker 2>the earth. And when I say that, I know it's

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<v Speaker 2>going to trigger some of you. Well, he's now, Jack's

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<v Speaker 2>a depopulation guy. No, it's not sustainable, and it just isn't.

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<v Speaker 2>And the more people, as Elvis Huckley said in Brave

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<v Speaker 2>New World Too, the more revisited. Thank you, you better

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<v Speaker 2>read it. It's only about sixty seventy pages. Very important

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<v Speaker 2>to read because the more people there are, the more

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<v Speaker 2>draconian police and laws you have to have to control

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<v Speaker 2>these masses amounts of people who are mounting against the

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<v Speaker 2>committee of thirteen or three hundred, depending on how you count.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, both of those things are real. Believe me on that.

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<v Speaker 2>So what were these state bills saying? Well, without exception

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<v Speaker 2>or with exception, there are exceptions. The health of the mother.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of exceptions into this. You being rich,

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<v Speaker 2>because that's what it's about. If you're a rich girl

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<v Speaker 2>you're getting any abortion you want at any time. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's how it's always been long before Roe versus Wait, and.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll get to that in a minute, because that's not

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<v Speaker 1>the important part.

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<v Speaker 2>The important part is how the states are parsing this

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<v Speaker 2>out and what the law actually says, and it says

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<v Speaker 2>that unless you have an exception, you can't get an a.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't believe I'm doing what are we anno? Ten

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<v Speaker 2>I you know, but I have to do it. Let's

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<v Speaker 2>help you, guys if we can, and help me if

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<v Speaker 2>you can. Let's help each other. It says you can't

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<v Speaker 2>get an abortion after four months. That's the week's work

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<v Speaker 2>out to that. So literally, you're in your second trimester,

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<v Speaker 2>the baby sucking its thumb, it's a full it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>a human at that point. We're not arguing about religion

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<v Speaker 1>What we're doing is we're.

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<v Speaker 2>Talking about a human being inside of you that you

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<v Speaker 2>waited way too long to make that decision. So I

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<v Speaker 2>just want to put it to you like this, all

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<v Speaker 2>the people listening to this show right now, whoever you are,

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<v Speaker 2>if you are pro choice as I am, do you

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<v Speaker 2>want to see abortions at five months, at six months,

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<v Speaker 2>seven months, eight nine months? Like, where's the cutoff point?

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<v Speaker 2>I think you need to figure that out. I think

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<v Speaker 2>you need to. I'm not gonna tell you to go

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<v Speaker 2>out in protest or take a stand on it, but

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<v Speaker 2>I think, within your own self, right with your own philosophy,

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<v Speaker 2>and I guess you know your own take on life.

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<v Speaker 1>Period, that's too late. There are times that that can happen.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think, and I know a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>Of people are very pro choice as well, and it's like,

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<v Speaker 2>that's too late. Does a rational person believe that that's

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<v Speaker 2>the time to abort the baby?

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<v Speaker 1>It's too late? Now.

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<v Speaker 2>The argument, and I've heard this argument, is well, sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>you don't know you're pregnant until four or five months.

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<v Speaker 1>And then it's too late. Well, that's kind of your problem.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know you'll get an exception, you'll go

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<v Speaker 2>to another state.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why we have a tenth Amendment.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why we've been have a lot less revolutions than

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<v Speaker 2>say Rome or whatever, because you can own always go

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<v Speaker 2>to another state, and if you're rich, obviously you'll fly

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<v Speaker 2>in your jet there or they'll fly the doctor into

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<v Speaker 2>you and that will be that. But the outrage and

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<v Speaker 2>the stf unus.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a shut the fuck upness.

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<v Speaker 2>Of the people that have bought into and only live

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<v Speaker 2>in a bubble on this establishment. Left wing media are

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<v Speaker 2>going absolutely nuts on it, and I just want to

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<v Speaker 2>ask each and every one of them. And I know

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<v Speaker 1>You shut up fascist. You're not allowed to say that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's too late to make that decision. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>What's that about.

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<v Speaker 2>So now there was this leak document from the Supreme Court,

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the very person that.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a federal protection which I wouldn't mind seeing

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<v Speaker 1>Pollution, I'm not.

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<v Speaker 2>Talking about the green the phony green agenda, the real

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<v Speaker 2>about that in the second hour of the show today

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<v Speaker 2>because he knows where.

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<v Speaker 1>The bodies are buried.

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<v Speaker 2>is going to offend people. You can get you'll get

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<v Speaker 2>an abortion if you want one, Please don't. Please try

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<v Speaker 2>not to get to that point. Please be responsible, and

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<v Speaker 2>and you're crazy as molasses.

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<v Speaker 1>But hey man, please don't go.

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<v Speaker 2>Attack women at a planned parenthood facility and make them

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<v Speaker 1>That's just sick and wrong. Don't do that.

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<v Speaker 2>There's other ways you can do it, but you are

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<v Speaker 1>Let's not do that.

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<v Speaker 2>But the point I want to make before I leave

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<v Speaker 2>I've asked the questions. I think that the money question

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<v Speaker 2>an abortion? But you know, and and rationally, speaking with

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<v Speaker 1>And that's maybe wrong right there, but.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's, you know, let's make it to something educational and social.

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<v Speaker 2>But what I find interesting is that whenever the Democrats

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<v Speaker 2>have wars. Whenever the Democrats are in control, we lose

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<v Speaker 2>for therefore, are the things we lose. That works. With

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<v Speaker 2>the Republicans, they say they're pro gun, all the pro

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<v Speaker 2>gun laws that I've ever seen come from Republicans. You

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<v Speaker 2>see how they work it, because if a Republican administration

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<v Speaker 1>The attacks.

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<v Speaker 2>Would be absolutely absurd. As I'm saying this, let me

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<v Speaker 2>just Shift I was watching. Speaking of Shift, we'll get

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<v Speaker 2>to Shifty in a minute here, just watching Ran Paul.

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<v Speaker 2>That's Ron Paul's son, who have done many events with

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<v Speaker 2>and no personally testifying about. This is the new thing

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<v Speaker 2>Ran Paul speaking out against the new policy. This is

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<v Speaker 2>a new arm of the government. Welcome, thank you for

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<v Speaker 2>doing this. They are the the Information Ministry of Information,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess as that how George Orwell put it like,

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<v Speaker 2>they scratch each other's back or butts or whatever. They

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<v Speaker 2>scratch it on each other. There is a new disinformation

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<v Speaker 2>board at your government, at Homeland Security, which I want

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<v Speaker 2>you to remember we were wholly and completely against. And

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<v Speaker 2>big government, yet they invented homeland security, which is a massive,

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<v Speaker 2>bloaded nineteen eighty four style, brave New World kleptocracy. I

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<v Speaker 2>love when Biden was trying to say that the other day.

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<v Speaker 2>And of course here I go again with the non sequiturs.

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<v Speaker 1>But I mean, I guess we don't.

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<v Speaker 2>The kids today haven't read nineteen eighty four. They don't

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<v Speaker 2>know what news speak is so much so it was

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<v Speaker 2>watching one of the shows cover this and they were

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<v Speaker 2>mentioning nineteen eighty four and they didn't even know that

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<v Speaker 2>it was news speak. They didn't know that word. They

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<v Speaker 2>I can't remember something else speak, they said, But I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>we need to know that it's this isn't everything we're

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<v Speaker 1>Really what it is.

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<v Speaker 2>It's new speak, and it is state intervention on what

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<v Speaker 2>you're allowed to say or think or participate in today.

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<v Speaker 2>Was it Chucky Schumer, No, it was Joe Biden. Poor

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<v Speaker 2>elderly abused Joe Biden pushed out to talk about how

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<v Speaker 2>MAGA are basically all terrorists, and I don't know, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>some of them are.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's how it goes.

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<v Speaker 2>They have a Ministry of Disinformation. I mean, could they

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<v Speaker 2>be more plain if they have called it the Ministry

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<v Speaker 2>of Information? I guess it would have been a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit too Orwellian. But they call it the Ministry of

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<v Speaker 2>Disinformation because how they're going to correct you and what

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<v Speaker 2>how you say things and what you say is they're

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<v Speaker 2>going to be pushing disinformation. They want disinformation to rule

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<v Speaker 2>the day, and that's that. And I think most of you,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm somewhat preaching to the choir. Are they telling you

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<v Speaker 2>exactly what they're doing. It's the Ministry of Disinformation.

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<v Speaker 1>Allegedly out to solve the world problem of too much

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<v Speaker 1>information going out, too much disinformation. That's the problem we have.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why we're in just isn't that true? Now? You

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<v Speaker 1>better agree with this or we'll have to come to

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<v Speaker 1>your house and question you and look at your papers.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that the biggest problem in the world. Now, we've

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<v Speaker 2>just tackled two of them. One is a vomit, politics, abortion,

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<v Speaker 2>war Hey listen, I fight for information peace. That's really

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<v Speaker 2>part of information warfare. I want to be part of

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<v Speaker 2>information piece. As a good friend of mine one said,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't fight for piece, you have to piece for peace.

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<v Speaker 2>Are the people going to stand up to that? Look

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<v Speaker 2>what it's come to. Dave Chappelle was it last night?

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<v Speaker 2>He was at the Hollywood Bowl, place I've been too

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<v Speaker 2>many times and just really lived just on top of

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<v Speaker 2>the mountain over there, could look out my back door

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<v Speaker 2>and see it decades ago, hanging out with all of

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<v Speaker 2>his buddies and doing a massive, sold out and very

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<v Speaker 2>How the Ministry of disinformation could be sicked on him,

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<v Speaker 2>how he's trying to be compromised and killed. I say

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<v Speaker 2>that metaphorically, though, Hey, maybe they better.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe that's what was up with this. Who knows.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe this was an assassination attempt. Maybe this was mk Ultra.

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<v Speaker 2>information of that. What I do know is that the

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<v Speaker 2>deranged man that ran onto the stage a giant to

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<v Speaker 2>tackle and potentially kill Dave Chappelle did so with zero

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<v Speaker 2>security watching the two aisles that could lead to the

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<v Speaker 2>stage where this man can just get his wood ran

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<v Speaker 2>right up there, no problem. So it was a little

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<v Speaker 2>what could possibly be a false flag, and I know

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to be conspiratorial. Let's just like keep

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<v Speaker 2>it the way the news is allowing us to say it.

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<v Speaker 2>Dave Chappelle was tackled by a deranged man. He was

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<v Speaker 2>some kind of a rapper and publicity seeker. So either

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<v Speaker 2>you know that guy was put in a room and

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<v Speaker 2>Dave Chappelle, which would have been a great story to

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<v Speaker 2>cover up all the other stories, and then we'd be

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<v Speaker 2>talking about that now for weeks. It was an assassination

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<v Speaker 2>attempt potentially on one of the most popular public speakers.

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<v Speaker 1>Not just now but of our time.

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<v Speaker 2>Or he was brainwashed through the TV, through the media,

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<v Speaker 2>and through social media that if I want to be

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<v Speaker 2>popular and people will love me, I'll just go get

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<v Speaker 2>Dave Chappelle. He had a gun, which wasn't a real gun,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was a knife.

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<v Speaker 1>Gotta get one of those.

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<v Speaker 2>And he ran backstage and Dave's friends, including the other Fox,

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<v Speaker 1>A cowboy hat. As they say, I got a good

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<v Speaker 2>But and a bunch of other celebrities boot stumped this guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Boot broke his arm, collapsed his face. There was a

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<v Speaker 2>his orbital bone was broken. I mean, his nose is broken.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what's gonna happen. I guess, you know. And I

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<v Speaker 2>Bowl at a huge event, a star set of event.

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<v Speaker 2>I should have some security. I hope this is a

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<v Speaker 2>message to Dave Chappelle that like JFK or RFK or

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<v Speaker 2>MLK Malcolm X, you know you're especially if you're a

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<v Speaker 2>HEATERO dox and you know that means you don't believe

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<v Speaker 2>in Orthodox or the opposite of Orthodox, and you're out

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<v Speaker 2>there saying some things that are very thought provoking. Joe Rogan,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't like to name people because there's so many

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<v Speaker 2>and they fall on both sides of the political spectrum,

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<v Speaker 2>or all sides or none at all. But this might

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<v Speaker 2>be kind of a lesson for Dave Chappelle to have

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<v Speaker 2>a lot more security. But they have handled it, They

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<v Speaker 2>completely handled it, and it was kind of funny and entertaining.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess it because fake are real is the whole

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<v Speaker 2>issue mental illness and how is mental illness created? I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>do we find out that this guy who tried to

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<v Speaker 2>attack Dave Chappelle the other night last night, I guess

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<v Speaker 2>is on SSRIs as serotonin reuptake inhibitors. Is that what

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<v Speaker 2>we're gonna find out because that's usually the case. And

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<v Speaker 2>having work security myself for years and years and years

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<v Speaker 2>and decades right in some of the worst neighborhoods ever,

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<v Speaker 2>I could tell.

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<v Speaker 1>You that is an issue.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the new I guess policy is instead of helping people,

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<v Speaker 2>you come in and it's very cheap to give them

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<v Speaker 2>some drugs. Some SSRI's hope that they keep taking them

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<v Speaker 2>and don't go completely nuts and just turn them back

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<v Speaker 2>out on the street for people like me to deal with.

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<v Speaker 2>Is this part of celebrity culture? You just you're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be famous, This will make you famous. Will that guy's

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<v Speaker 2>famous and he's he's fed up, completely effed up? But

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<v Speaker 2>who are the fascists?

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<v Speaker 1>Then?

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<v Speaker 2>If this is all real and the guy's cognizant and

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<v Speaker 2>he's just part of the antifa.

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<v Speaker 1>Pete crowd or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>If he's really serious about his politics and transgenderism and

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<v Speaker 2>all the rest of it. And keeping in mind that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the allegations against Dave Chappelle, who's doing jokes right,

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<v Speaker 2>he's not a politician, are completely false.

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<v Speaker 1>But let's you know, for whatever reason, who are the

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<v Speaker 1>real fascist?

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<v Speaker 2>I guess I'll know because after this half hour, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>probably going to get a whole bunch of mail, all

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<v Speaker 2>the news I didn't get to. We'll try to handle it.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a new press secretary today from MSNBC, Karine Jean Pierre.

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<v Speaker 2>She is an African American woman. She'll be taking over

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<v Speaker 2>for Jensaki. Karem Jean Pierre issues from MSNBC. As I mentioned,

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<v Speaker 2>new pres secretary for Joe Biden. Jen Saki, the last

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<v Speaker 2>pres secretary taking the other revolving door at MSNBC. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sure that that's probably.

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<v Speaker 1>Driving you a little bit crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>And then a representative, Madison Cawthorn, is back in the news.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the guy that came out and said that

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<v Speaker 2>the Republicans were trying to recruit him into these weird,

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<v Speaker 2>sick orgies that are reminiscent of the Franklin cover up

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<v Speaker 2>during the Reagan administration. Caught it a gun with an airport.

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<v Speaker 2>He is, by the way, a congressman. About two weeks

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<v Speaker 2>ago leaked photos. Somebody did some op research on him.

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<v Speaker 2>They found nude photos. Those are going around the internet.

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<v Speaker 2>Just another day in Paradise, Cinco de Mayo style, the

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<v Speaker 3>The War State by Michael Swanson explains the great national

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, well that is a thing that happens just

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<v Speaker 1>about every minute in our society. People are crying wolf,

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<v Speaker 2>So I've been completely hooked, and I'll admit a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit is slightly addicted, not because it's a celebrity trial,

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<v Speaker 2>but because the cultural implications of it and some of

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<v Speaker 2>it just really hits home. Can we be ourselves and

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<v Speaker 2>can we be ourselves without being in core? And of

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<v Speaker 2>course I'm talking about the Johnny Depp amber Heard versus

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<v Speaker 2>Amber Heard defamation, defecation.

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<v Speaker 1>Trial and defamation trial. That's it. Doctor Carol Lieberman is

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<v Speaker 1>with me.

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<v Speaker 2>She served as a forensic psychiatrist and expert witness in

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<v Speaker 2>hundreds of civil and criminal cases nationwide, including domestic violence cases.

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<v Speaker 2>We've seen some of those witnesses in this trial today.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to ask you about that. She's a media

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<v Speaker 2>commentator on Crimes and Trials. She writes a column entitled

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<v Speaker 2>Inside the Criminal Mind that is front Page Detectives dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>Expert witness forensic Psychiatrist dot com doctor Carol Lieberman joins us,

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<v Speaker 2>and you're also, I know, a best selling author as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Well.

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<v Speaker 7>Thank you very much for having me.

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<v Speaker 2>It's great to have you because I've just been watching

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<v Speaker 2>you dude commentary all over the place and they asked

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<v Speaker 2>me if you could come on the show, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely one hundred percent for it because I know you

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<v Speaker 2>are the real expert.

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<v Speaker 1>Where do we start with this?

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<v Speaker 2>Can we can we start with the not celebrity, but

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<v Speaker 2>the kind of social implications.

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<v Speaker 1>Why is this so popular?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it because it's reality TV and it's we're watching

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<v Speaker 2>it happen live in front of us? Or is it

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<v Speaker 2>because that a lot of people kind of identify with

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<v Speaker 2>this one way or the other.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, first of all, I'll say that I am addicted

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<v Speaker 7>also like you at the beginning. It has taken over

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<v Speaker 7>me my life because yes I am commenting on it,

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<v Speaker 7>writing columns on it and all kinds of things. But

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<v Speaker 7>you know, try to even if I didn't have to

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<v Speaker 7>do this, which I enjoyed, but even If I wasn't

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<v Speaker 7>doing that, I would probably be addicted because it is

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<v Speaker 7>so fascinating to watch these people. It doesn't really matter

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<v Speaker 7>that they're celebrities. I mean, sure, that's why, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>that's why more people are paying attention to it. But

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<v Speaker 7>I mean just a whole domes.

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<v Speaker 1>Did we just lose her or did we lose me?

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<v Speaker 2>No, you're still here. Okay, Well I don't think that's

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<v Speaker 2>a government conspiracy. That might just be la to Seattle

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<v Speaker 2>to the east coast try to get her back.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have to hang up on me to get

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<v Speaker 1>her back?

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<v Speaker 8>Or you know what, that's what we'll do.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, yeah, play something of the new time you got.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, we're back cell phone technology in the twenty first century.

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<v Speaker 1>You think it might be a little bit better.

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<v Speaker 2>But please, doctor Carroll, you know, stand in place if

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<v Speaker 2>you can.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know you live in a PSI.

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<v Speaker 7>I wasn't touching it. I have it on a box

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<v Speaker 7>on my desk at a good height, so I never

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<v Speaker 7>touch it.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, it might be me at what I said the

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<v Speaker 1>first half hour before you came behind. That gets me

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<v Speaker 1>the problem.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, but you know, and I know this fits very

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<v Speaker 2>well with today's culture, the me too culture, and there

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<v Speaker 2>are a lot of people that are invested in this

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<v Speaker 2>trial because of the implications of me too. But you've

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<v Speaker 2>kind of coined a term called he too. And maybe

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<v Speaker 2>this is why people are so fascinated by the Johnny

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<v Speaker 2>depp amber Heard defamation trial.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's not.

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<v Speaker 2>Something we hear about that is publicized very much, but

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<v Speaker 2>it is something that exists, that happens, and I like

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<v Speaker 2>to look at it as you know, nailing a powerful

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<v Speaker 2>man and then controlling him any way you can. In

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<v Speaker 2>this case, I think that's exactly what's going on. But

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<v Speaker 2>you tell me, I mean, you are the forensic psychiatrist

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<v Speaker 2>and the expert.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, you know, yes, I think that she I don't

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<v Speaker 7>think that she was, even though this is what she's

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<v Speaker 7>been talking about all day, how madly in love.

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<v Speaker 1>With him she was.

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<v Speaker 7>But I don't think that it was love primarily that

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<v Speaker 7>got her to go out with him and marry him.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, she went through this whole thing today about

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<v Speaker 7>all these alleged horrible physical uh you know, abuse that

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<v Speaker 7>he he perpetrated on her, and then and then she

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<v Speaker 7>still married him. Now that isn't to say. I mean,

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<v Speaker 7>it is true that people who are in domestic violence situations.

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<v Speaker 7>Sometimes they do they keep hoping that the person is

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<v Speaker 7>going to change, and sometimes they do stay with them.

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<v Speaker 7>There are lots of reasons, especially for women, for why

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<v Speaker 7>they stay. They're you know, they're shamed, and they're they're

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<v Speaker 7>made to feel as though nobody else and all of that.

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<v Speaker 7>But I think that she wanted to be uh connected

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<v Speaker 7>with him that raised her status in Hollywood, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>to be on his arm, to be his girlfriend, and

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<v Speaker 7>of course then to be his wife. And then she jumped,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, as soon as that was over, she jumped

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<v Speaker 7>to Elon Musk. And there was some in between, but

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<v Speaker 7>Elon Musk, you know, Johnny Johnny Japp had mostly millions,

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<v Speaker 7>but Elon Musk has billions. So she was, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>making her social climbing. I really think that there were

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<v Speaker 7>a lot of, you know, a lot of other reasons

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<v Speaker 7>than love for her to be with him, and yes,

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<v Speaker 7>he too. I mean, I hope that one of the

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<v Speaker 7>long lasting effects of this is that people will see man,

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<v Speaker 7>especially will see that after he gave testified and told

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<v Speaker 7>the most intimate, you know, embarrassing stories about his life

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<v Speaker 7>from the time he was a child and his mother

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<v Speaker 7>was physically and emotionally abusive to him, to all of

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<v Speaker 7>the things that happened with Amber, and yet he had

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<v Speaker 7>the courage to talk about all this, which is why.

637
00:36:14.000 --> 00:36:17.440
<v Speaker 7>And that's the problem with men. There are lots and

638
00:36:17.559 --> 00:36:21.559
<v Speaker 7>lots of men who are in abusive relationships by women,

639
00:36:21.920 --> 00:36:25.679
<v Speaker 7>but they are ashamed to come forward because it makes

640
00:36:25.719 --> 00:36:27.960
<v Speaker 7>them look weak. They don't want to admit to people

641
00:36:28.320 --> 00:36:32.119
<v Speaker 7>that they are being abused, especially physically abused by a woman.

642
00:36:33.280 --> 00:36:33.519
<v Speaker 1>You know.

643
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<v Speaker 2>That reminds me of why. And there's been some work

644
00:36:37.880 --> 00:36:40.920
<v Speaker 2>on this why Catholic priests, and I don't want to

645
00:36:40.960 --> 00:36:43.440
<v Speaker 2>single them out, because there's a lot of good priests

646
00:36:43.480 --> 00:36:46.119
<v Speaker 2>and there are some very very bad ones. And one

647
00:36:46.159 --> 00:36:49.320
<v Speaker 2>of the reasons they pick on boys isn't because they're

648
00:36:49.400 --> 00:36:54.519
<v Speaker 2>so much homosexual and repressed, let's add that part, but

649
00:36:54.639 --> 00:36:57.880
<v Speaker 2>because they know that the boys will be too embarrassed to.

650
00:36:57.880 --> 00:36:58.679
<v Speaker 1>Talk about it.

651
00:36:58.719 --> 00:37:01.960
<v Speaker 2>And I think that that applies guy in this case

652
00:37:02.000 --> 00:37:05.440
<v Speaker 2>where women abuse men, and they can abuse men, and

653
00:37:05.559 --> 00:37:09.559
<v Speaker 2>men who I guess like Johnny Depp, like myself and

654
00:37:09.599 --> 00:37:12.119
<v Speaker 2>others who would never hit a woman, can take a

655
00:37:12.159 --> 00:37:16.519
<v Speaker 2>lot of abuse before something happens.

656
00:37:16.599 --> 00:37:19.559
<v Speaker 7>Yes, I mean what this is really all about is

657
00:37:19.599 --> 00:37:24.000
<v Speaker 7>that he married his mother. His mother was abusive and

658
00:37:24.880 --> 00:37:28.440
<v Speaker 7>when she was he would run away and hide and

659
00:37:28.559 --> 00:37:30.679
<v Speaker 7>to get away from the abuse. He never, of course,

660
00:37:30.760 --> 00:37:33.840
<v Speaker 7>hit back at his mother. His father also was abused

661
00:37:33.880 --> 00:37:38.119
<v Speaker 7>by his wife, you know, Johnny Depp's mother, and he

662
00:37:38.199 --> 00:37:41.480
<v Speaker 7>never hit back either. And in fact, the father stayed

663
00:37:42.440 --> 00:37:47.639
<v Speaker 7>in the marriage until Johnny Depp was fifteen, and then

664
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<v Speaker 7>when he left, when the father left his mother, Johnny

665
00:37:51.760 --> 00:37:55.880
<v Speaker 7>Depp's mother tried to commit suicide, which is another reason

666
00:37:55.880 --> 00:37:59.159
<v Speaker 7>why Johnny Depp stayed in this relationship because he was

667
00:37:59.199 --> 00:38:02.559
<v Speaker 7>afraid that was going to commit suicide because she would

668
00:38:02.559 --> 00:38:06.199
<v Speaker 7>sometimes threaten that, but so that he would run away,

669
00:38:06.360 --> 00:38:08.199
<v Speaker 7>like you know, he was kind of programmed to do

670
00:38:08.360 --> 00:38:12.960
<v Speaker 7>from his childhood, and that triggered her because she has

671
00:38:13.119 --> 00:38:15.960
<v Speaker 7>a borderline personality disorder. I don't care what the other

672
00:38:16.039 --> 00:38:19.480
<v Speaker 7>psychologist said. She has a borderline personality of disorder, a

673
00:38:19.559 --> 00:38:25.480
<v Speaker 7>mixed borderline histrionic and narcissistic personality disorder in my opinion,

674
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<v Speaker 7>and so borderlines. Their number one symptom or trait is

675
00:38:32.159 --> 00:38:36.960
<v Speaker 7>that they are terrified of being abandoned. When they are abandoned,

676
00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:39.400
<v Speaker 7>it feels as though they cease, they feel as though

677
00:38:39.440 --> 00:38:42.360
<v Speaker 7>they cease to exist. And so when he would run

678
00:38:42.400 --> 00:38:45.760
<v Speaker 7>away from her abuse, that would be the trigger for

679
00:38:45.800 --> 00:38:49.639
<v Speaker 7>her to become more abusive because she was terrified, oh,

680
00:38:49.679 --> 00:38:52.599
<v Speaker 7>he's abandoning me, and she would do whatever she could.

681
00:38:52.639 --> 00:38:55.559
<v Speaker 7>She'd run after him in all kinds of circumstances to

682
00:38:55.639 --> 00:38:57.800
<v Speaker 7>get him to come back and not to leave her.

683
00:38:58.760 --> 00:39:01.519
<v Speaker 2>You know, and the gas lighting involved in this, and

684
00:39:01.519 --> 00:39:03.239
<v Speaker 2>I want to get to that in a second, because

685
00:39:03.280 --> 00:39:05.480
<v Speaker 2>she seems to be kind of an expert in that,

686
00:39:05.559 --> 00:39:09.239
<v Speaker 2>and that is a big issue today. Let me just

687
00:39:09.280 --> 00:39:11.320
<v Speaker 2>say this, and I have to get this off my chest,

688
00:39:11.599 --> 00:39:15.079
<v Speaker 2>Doctor Carroll, doctor Carrol Lieberman with us. So she is

689
00:39:15.280 --> 00:39:20.599
<v Speaker 2>actually psychiatrist expert to forensic psychologist, host of Doctor Carroll's

690
00:39:20.639 --> 00:39:24.639
<v Speaker 2>Couch of Voice America dot com, The Terrorist Therapist, that podcast.

691
00:39:24.800 --> 00:39:26.000
<v Speaker 1>We'll get into that in a minute.

692
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<v Speaker 2>I used to This is just a weird disclosure, but

693
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<v Speaker 2>I used to live with Courtney Love, who was married

694
00:39:31.719 --> 00:39:34.679
<v Speaker 2>to Kirk Cobain. I'm sure you know who those people are, okay,

695
00:39:35.039 --> 00:39:36.119
<v Speaker 2>And her first.

696
00:39:36.000 --> 00:39:37.679
<v Speaker 1>Husband was.

697
00:39:39.440 --> 00:39:42.480
<v Speaker 2>So she's she reminds me of amberheard so much and

698
00:39:42.519 --> 00:39:45.559
<v Speaker 2>I was involved in this relationship and she used to

699
00:39:45.639 --> 00:39:48.199
<v Speaker 2>beat the crap out of her first husband, which was

700
00:39:48.239 --> 00:39:51.079
<v Speaker 2>also a musician called Following James. In fact, once I

701
00:39:51.119 --> 00:39:52.920
<v Speaker 2>had to save her from throwing them out of third

702
00:39:52.960 --> 00:39:56.760
<v Speaker 2>story window in Hollywood, and this constantly happened.

703
00:39:56.960 --> 00:39:59.519
<v Speaker 1>And what did she do when she was notorious for this?

704
00:39:59.599 --> 00:40:00.719
<v Speaker 1>I'm talking about Courtney Love.

705
00:40:01.000 --> 00:40:05.000
<v Speaker 2>She traded up until she got the number one rock

706
00:40:05.039 --> 00:40:09.320
<v Speaker 2>star ever. And because I knew him too, they had

707
00:40:09.360 --> 00:40:14.119
<v Speaker 2>a very similar relationship to what I seekling on with

708
00:40:14.239 --> 00:40:17.280
<v Speaker 2>Johnny Depp and Amber heard. In fact, she and maybe

709
00:40:17.320 --> 00:40:17.920
<v Speaker 2>he liked it.

710
00:40:17.960 --> 00:40:18.480
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

711
00:40:18.599 --> 00:40:21.920
<v Speaker 2>Maybe I'm giving away too many secrets, but she would

712
00:40:21.960 --> 00:40:23.800
<v Speaker 2>beat him and that would be part of kind of

713
00:40:23.840 --> 00:40:28.159
<v Speaker 2>their sex routine which filtered out into their everyday life.

714
00:40:28.199 --> 00:40:31.480
<v Speaker 2>And he wants to keep control. She wants to change

715
00:40:31.559 --> 00:40:35.400
<v Speaker 2>him and turn him into her project and own him

716
00:40:35.800 --> 00:40:38.360
<v Speaker 2>when it gets turned around in this trial. That's what

717
00:40:38.400 --> 00:40:40.639
<v Speaker 2>we heard today from Amber Heard, who was dressed like

718
00:40:40.679 --> 00:40:46.119
<v Speaker 2>a librarian today, poor her talking about how you know

719
00:40:46.400 --> 00:40:48.480
<v Speaker 2>Johnny was the controller.

720
00:40:47.960 --> 00:40:52.199
<v Speaker 7>When I think she was, yes, yes, And of course

721
00:40:52.280 --> 00:40:58.760
<v Speaker 7>Kurt Cobain committed suicide right allegedly. Okay, Well, in any case,

722
00:40:58.840 --> 00:41:01.480
<v Speaker 7>you know, one could see where being in in that

723
00:41:01.599 --> 00:41:06.920
<v Speaker 7>kind of relationship one might consider doing that. Yes, it's

724
00:41:06.920 --> 00:41:09.800
<v Speaker 7>it's really uh, there's you know.

725
00:41:10.400 --> 00:41:10.519
<v Speaker 1>Well.

726
00:41:10.559 --> 00:41:13.079
<v Speaker 7>Also, what's interesting is that they met on the set

727
00:41:13.079 --> 00:41:18.280
<v Speaker 7>of Rum Diary, which was a very particularly important project

728
00:41:18.320 --> 00:41:21.559
<v Speaker 7>for Johnny Depp, and I think part of the way

729
00:41:21.639 --> 00:41:25.679
<v Speaker 7>this whole thing started was where he saw her as

730
00:41:25.800 --> 00:41:31.440
<v Speaker 7>perfectly fitting the role. And I think that from the

731
00:41:31.480 --> 00:41:36.039
<v Speaker 7>beginning he kind of saw her in that role and

732
00:41:36.119 --> 00:41:39.199
<v Speaker 7>as someone who she wasn't. In other words, and which

733
00:41:39.239 --> 00:41:44.119
<v Speaker 7>happens a lot to Hollywood stars when they meet on set,

734
00:41:44.519 --> 00:41:47.039
<v Speaker 7>that they see each other not as who they really are,

735
00:41:47.360 --> 00:41:50.559
<v Speaker 7>but as whatever role they're playing, and they kind of

736
00:41:50.599 --> 00:41:55.239
<v Speaker 7>continue on in those roles rather than who they the

737
00:41:55.480 --> 00:41:58.079
<v Speaker 7>people actually are. You know, they think of them, they

738
00:41:58.119 --> 00:42:00.639
<v Speaker 7>want them to be who the role is.

739
00:42:02.400 --> 00:42:05.159
<v Speaker 2>You know, that is a really a student analysis. I'm

740
00:42:05.199 --> 00:42:07.519
<v Speaker 2>so glad you brought that up. I don't think i've

741
00:42:07.639 --> 00:42:11.320
<v Speaker 2>heard that take on it. That he was so intimately

742
00:42:11.440 --> 00:42:15.760
<v Speaker 2>involved with the history and the legacy of Hunter S. Thompson,

743
00:42:15.800 --> 00:42:19.440
<v Speaker 2>the Gonza, great writer who I also appreciate very much,

744
00:42:19.679 --> 00:42:22.519
<v Speaker 2>and who also only allegedly committed suicide.

745
00:42:22.559 --> 00:42:23.239
<v Speaker 1>We won't go there.

746
00:42:24.719 --> 00:42:29.119
<v Speaker 2>You know that he he created this romantic vision of

747
00:42:29.159 --> 00:42:32.800
<v Speaker 2>her that wasn't true. She was a social climber, She

748
00:42:33.079 --> 00:42:36.559
<v Speaker 2>was very ambitious. She would have done anything in order

749
00:42:36.599 --> 00:42:39.519
<v Speaker 2>to get what she wants. And to hear her testify,

750
00:42:39.639 --> 00:42:41.159
<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, I'm just gonna go. I'm wanna wait for

751
00:42:41.199 --> 00:42:42.840
<v Speaker 2>the whole thing to come out. Okay, I want to

752
00:42:42.880 --> 00:42:46.079
<v Speaker 2>make my decision at the end. But so far she

753
00:42:46.119 --> 00:42:50.039
<v Speaker 2>hasn't apologized and taken any accountability for any of the

754
00:42:50.039 --> 00:42:52.960
<v Speaker 2>things she's done, most of which were played on tape

755
00:42:53.000 --> 00:42:54.039
<v Speaker 2>earlier in this trial.

756
00:42:55.159 --> 00:42:58.960
<v Speaker 7>Yes, yes, that's right. It is so hard to watch

757
00:42:59.400 --> 00:43:02.239
<v Speaker 7>because it is so evident that she is lying. I mean,

758
00:43:02.280 --> 00:43:05.639
<v Speaker 7>we know we've caught the the the case, and she

759
00:43:05.960 --> 00:43:07.880
<v Speaker 7>caught her in a lot of lives to begin with,

760
00:43:08.239 --> 00:43:11.159
<v Speaker 7>you know, from saying that she used a certain kind

761
00:43:11.159 --> 00:43:14.639
<v Speaker 7>of makeup, and the makeup company Malaney came out and said, no,

762
00:43:15.440 --> 00:43:18.559
<v Speaker 7>that makeup wasn't around in the years that she said

763
00:43:18.599 --> 00:43:21.880
<v Speaker 7>she was using it to cover the bruises. There were

764
00:43:21.920 --> 00:43:25.760
<v Speaker 7>so many other kinds of lives that she made. So

765
00:43:26.000 --> 00:43:28.480
<v Speaker 7>now so we have this history of knowing about these

766
00:43:28.519 --> 00:43:31.960
<v Speaker 7>lives and then she now acts like this on the stand,

767
00:43:32.239 --> 00:43:34.960
<v Speaker 7>and and you can see the change when she first

768
00:43:35.000 --> 00:43:37.320
<v Speaker 7>came out and she was telling about her childhood and

769
00:43:37.400 --> 00:43:42.440
<v Speaker 7>about raking horses and going to school and you know,

770
00:43:42.519 --> 00:43:44.840
<v Speaker 7>her road to becoming an actress. I mean that was

771
00:43:44.880 --> 00:43:50.119
<v Speaker 7>in a very conversational, nice, you know, pleasant kind of tone.

772
00:43:50.199 --> 00:43:52.440
<v Speaker 7>And then all of a sudden, when she started talking

773
00:43:52.440 --> 00:43:57.320
<v Speaker 7>about Johnny Depp, that's when this quivering, this quivering ship

774
00:43:57.480 --> 00:44:01.320
<v Speaker 7>and no tears to she've barely had tears. I think

775
00:44:01.360 --> 00:44:07.280
<v Speaker 7>she was reading social media obviously talking about how there

776
00:44:07.320 --> 00:44:08.039
<v Speaker 7>were no tears.

777
00:44:08.119 --> 00:44:13.719
<v Speaker 1>So Doctor Carol, she yesterday or the day before, she

778
00:44:13.840 --> 00:44:17.039
<v Speaker 1>fired her PR person and got a new PR person

779
00:44:17.199 --> 00:44:20.000
<v Speaker 1>because she has just been taking it on the chin,

780
00:44:20.119 --> 00:44:24.679
<v Speaker 1>no pun intended during this entire trial. It's not working

781
00:44:24.719 --> 00:44:25.000
<v Speaker 1>out for it.

782
00:44:25.079 --> 00:44:27.320
<v Speaker 2>At first, I thought this might be career suicide for

783
00:44:27.400 --> 00:44:30.400
<v Speaker 2>Johnny Depp, who I just have a little bit of

784
00:44:30.400 --> 00:44:32.440
<v Speaker 2>an affection for her. So I don't mind, you know,

785
00:44:32.960 --> 00:44:36.079
<v Speaker 2>announcing my bias because we travel in some of the

786
00:44:36.079 --> 00:44:36.800
<v Speaker 2>same circles.

787
00:44:37.119 --> 00:44:39.440
<v Speaker 1>But you know, I just.

788
00:44:41.239 --> 00:44:43.400
<v Speaker 2>I just don't think anyone's buying this. I don't think

789
00:44:43.440 --> 00:44:47.320
<v Speaker 2>there's any PR agency that can cover up for what's happening.

790
00:44:47.360 --> 00:44:50.400
<v Speaker 2>And the cross examining hasn't even happened to Amberhard which

791
00:44:50.440 --> 00:44:52.440
<v Speaker 2>is you know, the money part of this trial.

792
00:44:53.519 --> 00:44:55.719
<v Speaker 1>If people aren't watching it, they're gonna listen to this

793
00:44:55.800 --> 00:44:58.440
<v Speaker 1>and go, what am I missing? What's happening? I think

794
00:44:58.480 --> 00:45:01.559
<v Speaker 1>the most important thing to do that is let's solve

795
00:45:01.559 --> 00:45:02.280
<v Speaker 1>a problem.

796
00:45:02.480 --> 00:45:07.159
<v Speaker 2>Let's provide an answer. How do we not get into this?

797
00:45:07.280 --> 00:45:09.000
<v Speaker 2>And I understand we're talking about a.

798
00:45:08.960 --> 00:45:11.400
<v Speaker 1>Guy who had you know, who had have.

799
00:45:11.559 --> 00:45:13.840
<v Speaker 2>A billion dollars and one of the most famous people

800
00:45:13.880 --> 00:45:16.599
<v Speaker 2>on the planet, But that could apply to me and you,

801
00:45:16.719 --> 00:45:19.280
<v Speaker 2>that could apply to every one of my listeners. How

802
00:45:19.320 --> 00:45:24.440
<v Speaker 2>do we not get into these kind of deranged, codependent relationships?

803
00:45:25.719 --> 00:45:27.119
<v Speaker 2>Is there an answer for.

804
00:45:27.119 --> 00:45:29.719
<v Speaker 1>Something like that? Well?

805
00:45:29.840 --> 00:45:35.119
<v Speaker 7>Yes, I actually wrote a book. My first book was

806
00:45:35.159 --> 00:45:37.880
<v Speaker 7>called Bad Boys, Why We Love Them, How to Live

807
00:45:38.480 --> 00:45:41.239
<v Speaker 7>to Leave Them? And when I talked about twelve different

808
00:45:41.280 --> 00:45:43.440
<v Speaker 7>types of bad boys, and one of them was the

809
00:45:43.440 --> 00:45:46.840
<v Speaker 7>Prince of Darkness, and that was an abusive bad boy. Well,

810
00:45:46.840 --> 00:45:49.639
<v Speaker 7>actually I should be talking about h I wrote a

811
00:45:49.639 --> 00:45:52.920
<v Speaker 7>book after that called Bad Girls, Why Men Love Them

812
00:45:52.920 --> 00:45:56.920
<v Speaker 7>and how good girls can learn their secrets and for

813
00:45:57.039 --> 00:46:00.480
<v Speaker 7>both you know, whether it's a bad boy or bad girl.

814
00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:04.679
<v Speaker 7>And by bad I met heartbreakers. It all has to

815
00:46:04.719 --> 00:46:10.320
<v Speaker 7>do with your childhood. It has to do with what

816
00:46:10.400 --> 00:46:13.199
<v Speaker 7>kind of a relationship you had with your mother, with

817
00:46:13.280 --> 00:46:20.880
<v Speaker 7>your father. And for example, for women, whether they're attracted

818
00:46:20.920 --> 00:46:22.480
<v Speaker 7>to a bad boy. And I am not saying that

819
00:46:22.559 --> 00:46:25.800
<v Speaker 7>Johnny Depp is at He's not an abusive bad boy.

820
00:46:26.519 --> 00:46:30.280
<v Speaker 7>He may well have been a heartbreaker. But what makes

821
00:46:30.480 --> 00:46:33.719
<v Speaker 7>a woman be attracted to a bad boy is her

822
00:46:33.840 --> 00:46:36.840
<v Speaker 7>relationship with her father, A dysfunctional relationship with her.

823
00:46:36.679 --> 00:46:39.400
<v Speaker 2>Father, which has come out in the trial, that's come

824
00:46:39.440 --> 00:46:41.760
<v Speaker 2>out in the trial. She's thrown her own father under

825
00:46:41.760 --> 00:46:45.320
<v Speaker 2>the bus several times. I mean, this is very pitle,

826
00:46:45.400 --> 00:46:48.199
<v Speaker 2>this is very Freudian. If you can continue for just

827
00:46:48.239 --> 00:46:49.840
<v Speaker 2>another minute, because we're going to run out of time.

828
00:46:50.760 --> 00:46:53.880
<v Speaker 7>Okay, Well, so after women have been with bad boys

829
00:46:54.079 --> 00:46:57.440
<v Speaker 7>enough times, or one bad boy that really broke her heart,

830
00:46:57.760 --> 00:47:01.400
<v Speaker 7>then they decide that they are not lovable. They're not

831
00:47:01.400 --> 00:47:03.400
<v Speaker 7>going to find a prince who loves them, and so

832
00:47:03.440 --> 00:47:05.719
<v Speaker 7>they decide to go for somebody who can give them

833
00:47:05.760 --> 00:47:08.719
<v Speaker 7>something else, whether it's a gold digger or you know,

834
00:47:08.800 --> 00:47:12.000
<v Speaker 7>other something else that they need in their life. And

835
00:47:12.119 --> 00:47:15.880
<v Speaker 7>so because so they've given up on love and they're

836
00:47:15.920 --> 00:47:18.119
<v Speaker 7>they're getting something else, and that's you know, I think

837
00:47:18.119 --> 00:47:21.840
<v Speaker 7>that that's what she has done, and she is the one.

838
00:47:21.920 --> 00:47:24.559
<v Speaker 7>She is the bad girl, she is the heartbreaker and

839
00:47:26.079 --> 00:47:27.039
<v Speaker 7>also the abuser.

840
00:47:28.039 --> 00:47:30.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I would love to talk about because you've

841
00:47:30.920 --> 00:47:33.079
<v Speaker 2>done two books on terrorism, we have to have you

842
00:47:33.119 --> 00:47:35.840
<v Speaker 2>back just to talk about that. Doctor Carol Lieberman with

843
00:47:35.920 --> 00:47:39.719
<v Speaker 2>us on the broadcast today on Voice America dot com,

844
00:47:39.760 --> 00:47:45.280
<v Speaker 2>The Terrorist Therapist, the podcast Forensic Psychiatrists. You should be

845
00:47:45.320 --> 00:47:47.880
<v Speaker 2>making five hundred dollars an hour doing this case, as

846
00:47:47.880 --> 00:47:50.679
<v Speaker 2>some of the witnesses they are. But the gas lighting,

847
00:47:51.239 --> 00:47:54.719
<v Speaker 2>this is something that is going on in it permeates

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00:47:54.800 --> 00:47:57.320
<v Speaker 2>all of our culture, whether we talk about how we

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<v Speaker 2>talk about the pandemic, how we talk about to Russia

850
00:48:00.840 --> 00:48:05.800
<v Speaker 2>versus Ukraine, how we talk about the abortion conversation going

851
00:48:05.840 --> 00:48:10.199
<v Speaker 2>on right now. The gas lighting is this form of

852
00:48:11.119 --> 00:48:16.599
<v Speaker 2>completely obliterating someone's credibility and then you know, obviously dosing

853
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<v Speaker 2>them in the case of what we've seen happen to

854
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<v Speaker 2>Johnny Depp, and then on top of it, just shutting

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00:48:23.280 --> 00:48:26.280
<v Speaker 2>you up, making you self censor yourself. I mean, it

856
00:48:26.400 --> 00:48:31.400
<v Speaker 2>is a massive psychological mind game, the gas lighting that

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00:48:31.440 --> 00:48:35.039
<v Speaker 2>goes on. And she seems like, I guess the pinnacle

858
00:48:35.079 --> 00:48:37.119
<v Speaker 2>of it. I mean, she gaslighted the crap out of

859
00:48:37.199 --> 00:48:43.559
<v Speaker 2>Johnny Depp. Yes, yes, but talk about it in talk

860
00:48:43.599 --> 00:48:46.320
<v Speaker 2>about it in a wide sense, if you could, Doctor Carroll,

861
00:48:47.000 --> 00:48:48.639
<v Speaker 2>what's going on with our culture right now with this

862
00:48:48.679 --> 00:48:49.239
<v Speaker 2>gas lighting?

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<v Speaker 7>Well, yes, you know we are, we are being well,

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00:48:54.199 --> 00:48:57.360
<v Speaker 7>you know, I guess the biggest example is the Ministry

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<v Speaker 7>of Information that is.

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00:48:59.400 --> 00:49:09.360
<v Speaker 1>Putting up disinformation. They're being honest, they uh you know, I.

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<v Speaker 7>Mean yes, I mean the irony of that and the

868
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<v Speaker 7>and the gas lighting of that, trying to make us

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<v Speaker 7>feel that they're the ones who are going to be

870
00:49:16.760 --> 00:49:18.760
<v Speaker 7>telling us the truth when they're the ones who are

871
00:49:18.760 --> 00:49:22.840
<v Speaker 7>gaslighting us. I mean, it is just really you know,

872
00:49:22.920 --> 00:49:25.519
<v Speaker 7>what they're trying to do is get everybody's head spinning,

873
00:49:25.880 --> 00:49:28.119
<v Speaker 7>and they're doing a good job of it, so that

874
00:49:28.280 --> 00:49:30.719
<v Speaker 7>then they can come in with the kind of society

875
00:49:30.760 --> 00:49:32.360
<v Speaker 7>that they want to have that you know, they can

876
00:49:32.400 --> 00:49:36.119
<v Speaker 7>destroy America basically, and with the cancel culture and every

877
00:49:36.199 --> 00:49:42.079
<v Speaker 7>the CRT and the transgender and and just everything is

878
00:49:42.119 --> 00:49:48.800
<v Speaker 7>really just destroying the American values and and our minds

879
00:49:48.840 --> 00:49:53.119
<v Speaker 7>are you know, we were vulnerable after COVID first of all, uh,

880
00:49:53.159 --> 00:49:56.519
<v Speaker 7>and isolation, lockdown and all of that, and then all

881
00:49:56.559 --> 00:50:00.519
<v Speaker 7>of these crazy things, the protests that we're told, I mean,

882
00:50:00.559 --> 00:50:05.280
<v Speaker 7>the riots that were told were peaceful protests. All these things.

883
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<v Speaker 2>We're not allowed to think or say what we want.

884
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<v Speaker 2>So final question with doctor Carol Lieberman, and I love

885
00:50:12.960 --> 00:50:16.400
<v Speaker 2>having you on because you're very interesting and you're an expert,

886
00:50:16.440 --> 00:50:19.280
<v Speaker 2>and we need experts to talk about things and break

887
00:50:19.320 --> 00:50:23.920
<v Speaker 2>them down. Is doctor Jill gaslighting and beating Joe. I

888
00:50:24.000 --> 00:50:26.840
<v Speaker 2>think this is elder abuse on so many levels. It's

889
00:50:27.320 --> 00:50:28.000
<v Speaker 2>what's happening.

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<v Speaker 7>Yes, yes, I don't know if she's physically.

891
00:50:31.199 --> 00:50:36.639
<v Speaker 1>Beating Jesus handler is handled, I think she.

892
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<v Speaker 7>I think she should be arrested for elder abuse because

893
00:50:40.719 --> 00:50:43.400
<v Speaker 7>even if she isn't really physically doing anything to him,

894
00:50:43.519 --> 00:50:46.840
<v Speaker 7>but she is letting him stay as president, making a

895
00:50:46.880 --> 00:50:50.119
<v Speaker 7>fool of himself, getting America into World War three, and

896
00:50:51.199 --> 00:50:55.039
<v Speaker 7>not getting him to a doctor, to a neurologist, to

897
00:50:55.119 --> 00:50:57.960
<v Speaker 7>get a psychiatrist first to get tested, and then a

898
00:50:58.000 --> 00:51:01.599
<v Speaker 7>neurologist to do, you know, Mr pet scans and figure

899
00:51:01.639 --> 00:51:04.000
<v Speaker 7>out what kind of dementia he has.

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<v Speaker 2>And I didn't even vote for him, doctor Carroll, but

901
00:51:07.559 --> 00:51:10.400
<v Speaker 2>I felt complicit in this every time I watch him

902
00:51:10.599 --> 00:51:15.559
<v Speaker 2>wandering around shaking invisible people's hands, and tripping over his

903
00:51:15.599 --> 00:51:19.920
<v Speaker 2>own feed and and being embarrassed by uh Barack Obama

904
00:51:20.119 --> 00:51:23.039
<v Speaker 2>and all the things that are happening, some of them

905
00:51:23.159 --> 00:51:27.840
<v Speaker 2>have massive national security implications, and you know, but hey,

906
00:51:27.960 --> 00:51:29.280
<v Speaker 2>everybody knows I'm.

907
00:51:29.079 --> 00:51:30.360
<v Speaker 1>Hard on all the presidents.

908
00:51:30.400 --> 00:51:33.559
<v Speaker 2>I was hard on Trump, and I was very hard

909
00:51:33.599 --> 00:51:35.719
<v Speaker 2>on Bush and a little bit hard on Obama and

910
00:51:35.760 --> 00:51:38.719
<v Speaker 2>all the rest of them. Like I'm an equal opportunity

911
00:51:38.840 --> 00:51:44.079
<v Speaker 2>muck raker, and I think that makes me psychologically good. Right,

912
00:51:44.239 --> 00:51:48.239
<v Speaker 2>you can diagnose me after this this conversation that I'm

913
00:51:48.320 --> 00:51:59.039
<v Speaker 2>I'm I have decent mental health. Right, I'm I'm critically aware.

914
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<v Speaker 7>Let's put it that way. I want to be. I

915
00:51:59.679 --> 00:52:04.039
<v Speaker 7>was trying to warn people about Biden's encroaching dementia beginning

916
00:52:04.039 --> 00:52:06.280
<v Speaker 7>when he was in the basement and running for president.

917
00:52:06.400 --> 00:52:08.960
<v Speaker 7>I tried to warn people that this what's happening now

918
00:52:09.159 --> 00:52:11.880
<v Speaker 7>was going to happen. I mean, I didn't foresee Afghanistan,

919
00:52:11.960 --> 00:52:16.039
<v Speaker 7>that disaster, but I do foresee what happened after it,

920
00:52:16.199 --> 00:52:19.679
<v Speaker 7>you know, with various leaders, our enemies coming after us

921
00:52:19.679 --> 00:52:21.840
<v Speaker 7>because they see that he's not all there.

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00:52:22.480 --> 00:52:24.920
<v Speaker 1>You know, we went over and that's what I'm going

923
00:52:25.000 --> 00:52:26.519
<v Speaker 1>to do with doctor Carrol Lieberman.

924
00:52:27.320 --> 00:52:30.400
<v Speaker 2>Can't wait to have you back promote anything. What is

925
00:52:30.440 --> 00:52:32.079
<v Speaker 2>the foremost thing you want to promote? And then I

926
00:52:32.119 --> 00:52:32.679
<v Speaker 2>got to let you go.

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00:52:34.239 --> 00:52:37.360
<v Speaker 7>Sure, I guess the best thing is to go to

928
00:52:36.639 --> 00:52:41.920
<v Speaker 7>my website. I have a few websites, but touristtherapist dot com.

929
00:52:42.159 --> 00:52:42.800
<v Speaker 1>Cool. Cool.

930
00:52:43.159 --> 00:52:46.719
<v Speaker 2>And then if you have an issue where you have

931
00:52:46.800 --> 00:52:51.199
<v Speaker 2>to sue your ex wife for defamation, get Carol on

932
00:52:51.400 --> 00:52:52.880
<v Speaker 2>for five an hour.

933
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<v Speaker 7>Well, yes, I should have mentioned really my own my

934
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<v Speaker 7>other website, which is expert Witness for six Psychiatrists dot com.

935
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<v Speaker 1>Right, it's so good to have you. We've got to

936
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<v Speaker 1>go to the top of the hour.

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<v Speaker 2>UH international bestseller and underground UH investigative reporter Greg Palace

938
00:53:13.320 --> 00:53:14.400
<v Speaker 2>joining us in the second hour.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, doctor Carrol. Take care. God're listening to the

940
00:53:18.159 --> 00:53:20.760
<v Speaker 1>Jack Floodshell. If you was expressed by caller stools, there

941
00:53:20.760 --> 00:53:22.159
<v Speaker 1>anyone else who happens to get on the air to

942
00:53:22.239 --> 00:53:24.840
<v Speaker 1>Jelly dot com, you're not necessarily replied views little Jelly

943
00:53:24.880 --> 00:53:27.159
<v Speaker 1>dot com or Chuck Chilly, and we are not responsible

944
00:53:27.159 --> 00:53:28.760
<v Speaker 1>for any stupidity which you might ensue.

945
00:53:28.800 --> 00:53:43.480
<v Speaker 5>Thank you, Oh Chilly dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>My song, yeah, that song is Vultures Picnic by the

947
00:53:50.440 --> 00:53:53.119
<v Speaker 1>band Fear Porn. I happen to be in that band,

948
00:53:53.599 --> 00:53:56.599
<v Speaker 1>and uh he. Greg Palace is with us.

949
00:53:56.440 --> 00:54:00.599
<v Speaker 2>Today from Rolling Stone, Guardian, BBC. Greg Pallace dot com

950
00:54:00.639 --> 00:54:03.480
<v Speaker 2>best selling author of too many books to mention, but

951
00:54:03.519 --> 00:54:06.639
<v Speaker 2>we will mention them on the broadcast today. But I

952
00:54:06.679 --> 00:54:09.639
<v Speaker 2>wrote that song for you man, that that applies to

953
00:54:09.840 --> 00:54:14.960
<v Speaker 2>your great book, Vulture's Picnic, which talks about how cartel

954
00:54:15.360 --> 00:54:19.719
<v Speaker 2>capitalism has run them up in the Third World and

955
00:54:19.760 --> 00:54:22.920
<v Speaker 2>nothing has change since then, Greg Pallace, Welcome to the show.

956
00:54:23.360 --> 00:54:25.840
<v Speaker 8>Welcome, And where do I get my royalties for Vulture

957
00:54:25.880 --> 00:54:28.519
<v Speaker 8>for the song? No, you're gonna give those to me

958
00:54:28.639 --> 00:54:31.320
<v Speaker 8>when you when they make a movie of Vultures Picnic,

959
00:54:32.400 --> 00:54:35.239
<v Speaker 8>which Johnny Depp should be in that.

960
00:54:35.199 --> 00:54:40.320
<v Speaker 1>He absolutely should be in as opposed to out And

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<v Speaker 1>I could I could? You know what, once in a while,

962
00:54:42.960 --> 00:54:45.480
<v Speaker 1>I really need a good beating. Well, we won't go

963
00:54:45.599 --> 00:54:47.519
<v Speaker 1>into that. Here we will go. I won't.

964
00:54:48.079 --> 00:54:51.119
<v Speaker 2>I won't tell you my personal stuff. You don't share yours.

965
00:54:51.159 --> 00:54:53.840
<v Speaker 2>But if you want to go ahead because it's good radio.

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<v Speaker 9>No, No, I miss bad Pennie and I once in

967
00:54:56.440 --> 00:54:58.320
<v Speaker 9>a while we do dress up like pirates once in

968
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<v Speaker 9>a while.

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00:54:59.039 --> 00:55:03.800
<v Speaker 2>Arg Uh, yeah, that's when we go undercover. The eye

970
00:55:03.920 --> 00:55:07.639
<v Speaker 2>patch it shifts on different eyes as people off.

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<v Speaker 9>You actually was gonna use you know, John McEnroe is

972
00:55:10.760 --> 00:55:12.480
<v Speaker 9>gonna work with me working under cover. He said, well,

973
00:55:12.480 --> 00:55:15.079
<v Speaker 9>everyone recognized me and said that's the point.

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00:55:16.440 --> 00:55:17.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is true.

975
00:55:17.599 --> 00:55:21.639
<v Speaker 9>And so we're gonna send him to this billionaire vulture's house.

976
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<v Speaker 1>This guy was in Vultures.

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<v Speaker 9>Picnic if you remember Doctor Herman, and he had this

978
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<v Speaker 9>monster state.

979
00:55:30.760 --> 00:55:32.599
<v Speaker 1>It was like bigger than the Vatican.

980
00:55:33.320 --> 00:55:36.599
<v Speaker 9>And how are we gonna We noticed from satellite photos

981
00:55:36.599 --> 00:55:37.480
<v Speaker 9>he had a tennis court.

982
00:55:37.719 --> 00:55:40.559
<v Speaker 1>So we're gonna bring in macenroe and so we could.

983
00:55:40.360 --> 00:55:43.119
<v Speaker 9>Film the guy and get on his estate and film

984
00:55:43.199 --> 00:55:46.360
<v Speaker 9>him by saying, can we film you with John McEnroe.

985
00:55:46.400 --> 00:55:50.760
<v Speaker 9>We're doing a reality show called so you think you are?

986
00:55:50.920 --> 00:55:53.039
<v Speaker 9>You can play tennis? You know with the champ, you

987
00:55:53.079 --> 00:55:56.000
<v Speaker 9>can beat the champ or something like that. But then

988
00:55:56.039 --> 00:56:01.280
<v Speaker 9>that day was a freak snowstorm, so the the tennis

989
00:56:01.559 --> 00:56:04.519
<v Speaker 9>kind of tennis whites were not appropriate.

990
00:56:04.760 --> 00:56:06.840
<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean that's how you get to the elites

991
00:56:06.920 --> 00:56:08.480
<v Speaker 2>golfer tennis, right.

992
00:56:08.599 --> 00:56:10.719
<v Speaker 1>Were tennis? In fact? Actually, when.

993
00:56:12.480 --> 00:56:14.440
<v Speaker 9>Air Force officer was saying, you know, when they're at

994
00:56:14.440 --> 00:56:17.280
<v Speaker 9>the Air Force Academy, their officers kept telling him that

995
00:56:17.400 --> 00:56:18.519
<v Speaker 9>he has to learn how.

996
00:56:18.400 --> 00:56:19.039
<v Speaker 1>To play golf.

997
00:56:19.079 --> 00:56:20.800
<v Speaker 9>He said, why, said, well, if you want a promotion,

998
00:56:21.639 --> 00:56:23.679
<v Speaker 9>forget ability, just play.

999
00:56:23.480 --> 00:56:26.719
<v Speaker 1>Golf with you're superiors. That's how you get a promotion.

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00:56:27.360 --> 00:56:27.559
<v Speaker 1>You know.

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00:56:27.679 --> 00:56:29.920
<v Speaker 9>Forget about for the pads, you know, I mean that's

1002
00:56:29.920 --> 00:56:33.199
<v Speaker 9>the other way, you know, knee pads also were exactly.

1003
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<v Speaker 1>No, forget about Bohemian Grove and scull and bones.

1004
00:56:35.760 --> 00:56:39.119
<v Speaker 2>It's the golf courses that we should be very concerned about.

1005
00:56:39.880 --> 00:56:42.480
<v Speaker 2>Uh So, I don't even know where to start. Let's

1006
00:56:42.519 --> 00:56:46.440
<v Speaker 2>start with censorship, because you've got to know more about

1007
00:56:46.440 --> 00:56:50.920
<v Speaker 2>this than anyone else. You literally broke the story of

1008
00:56:50.920 --> 00:56:55.000
<v Speaker 2>the two thousand election. You were sent packing over to

1009
00:56:55.079 --> 00:56:57.840
<v Speaker 2>the London Guardian and no one would publish you, and

1010
00:56:58.000 --> 00:57:02.719
<v Speaker 2>you couldn't get on MSNBC, CNN, Fox like anywhere. And

1011
00:57:02.760 --> 00:57:04.679
<v Speaker 2>you went and did your work over there and wrote

1012
00:57:04.679 --> 00:57:08.119
<v Speaker 2>all your astounding books. But what is what is your view,

1013
00:57:08.400 --> 00:57:12.760
<v Speaker 2>Greg Pallace of the climate today with you know, say

1014
00:57:12.800 --> 00:57:14.079
<v Speaker 2>what we want or die?

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<v Speaker 9>Well, I'd love to tell you, but then I wouldn't

1016
00:57:17.599 --> 00:57:22.599
<v Speaker 9>be allowed any social media sites or but no, okay, no,

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<v Speaker 9>it's actually yeah, it is no joke because I ended

1018
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<v Speaker 9>up like you say so for those who don't know,

1019
00:57:32.920 --> 00:57:35.960
<v Speaker 9>I broke the story back in two thousand when Jeb

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00:57:36.000 --> 00:57:40.440
<v Speaker 9>Bush removed with a woman named Katherine Harris her real

1021
00:57:40.519 --> 00:57:44.000
<v Speaker 9>name is Cruela Deville, remove fifty eight thousand black men

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<v Speaker 9>from the voter rolls of Florida just before the Gore

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<v Speaker 9>Bush election. Fifty eight thousand black men because they had

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00:57:50.280 --> 00:57:54.159
<v Speaker 9>committed crimes there felons. And how do we know of

1025
00:57:54.199 --> 00:57:56.840
<v Speaker 9>their felons, Well, it says on the voter registration rolls

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<v Speaker 9>b LA next to their name, which means fel I

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<v Speaker 9>Actually it turns out it's supposed to mean black, but

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<v Speaker 9>they consider that the same thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not kidding you.

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<v Speaker 9>Of all the fifty eight thousand black men, and we

1031
00:58:08.519 --> 00:58:10.679
<v Speaker 9>know they're black, they really do say BLA next to

1032
00:58:10.719 --> 00:58:12.679
<v Speaker 9>their name because in Florida used to have to put

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<v Speaker 9>your race on your registration form. And of the fifty

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<v Speaker 9>eight thousand men that they accused of being ex cons

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<v Speaker 9>who at the time couldn't vote in Florida, exactly zero

1036
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<v Speaker 9>zero we're illegal voters, zero out of fifty eight thousand.

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<v Speaker 9>But Bush supposedly won Florida by just five hundred and

1038
00:58:30.599 --> 00:58:33.599
<v Speaker 9>thirty seven votes with those black men removed, and that

1039
00:58:33.679 --> 00:58:36.280
<v Speaker 9>gave him the presidency. So the presidency the United States

1040
00:58:36.320 --> 00:58:39.199
<v Speaker 9>has been stolen. So when you have schmucks like ads.

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<v Speaker 1>Russia did that, Greg Russia did that.

1042
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<v Speaker 9>Oh Russia, Well, Putin has I think is more effective.

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<v Speaker 9>You know, he was facing a kind of primary contest

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<v Speaker 9>with Boris Nempsov who went.

1045
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<v Speaker 1>He went to the Kremlin and as he was crossing.

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<v Speaker 9>The street, fore men came up and put bullets in

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<v Speaker 9>the back of his head and in the back and

1048
00:59:03.320 --> 00:59:06.440
<v Speaker 9>also killed his great Ukrainian girlfriend right in front of

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<v Speaker 9>the Kremlin, which happened to have all its security cameras

1050
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<v Speaker 9>turned off at that moment. They were repairing them. You

1051
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<v Speaker 9>know how they turn off the security cameras in front

1052
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<v Speaker 9>of the White House anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>So that so, uh, Jeff Bush has not does not

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<v Speaker 1>need to go to four bullets in the back of

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<v Speaker 1>the head.

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<v Speaker 9>He just takes fifty eight thousand black ballots and deep

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<v Speaker 9>six is they're right to vote.

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<v Speaker 1>But you're talking about censorship. But now censorship is the

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<v Speaker 1>issue because I wrote that story on the front page

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<v Speaker 1>of the freaking Guardian newspaper, the number one English language

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<v Speaker 1>newspaper on the planet. No, not the New York Times.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's American parochialism.

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<v Speaker 9>That that's the newsletter of of the Upper West Side elite.

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<v Speaker 9>I'm talking about a newspaper, not a newsletter.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 9>And they put on the front page BBC News, which is,

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<v Speaker 9>you know, the premier news channel on the planet. Put

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<v Speaker 9>at the top of the BBC Nightly News. That's how

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<v Speaker 9>Bush became president. And you couldn't get that in US

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<v Speaker 9>newspapers if I took hostages. There was one mention in

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<v Speaker 9>a column not in the news section, that this report

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<v Speaker 9>had come out in England. But that was by a

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<v Speaker 9>by a a columnist who was black. I say, who

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<v Speaker 9>was black. He was a columnist. He's no longer a

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<v Speaker 9>columnist for the New York Times. And when you talk

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<v Speaker 9>about you couldn't get on MSNBC, I got real close,

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<v Speaker 9>you know that. I got on once on MSNBC with

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<v Speaker 9>Phil Donahue and I did mention the theft of the election.

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<v Speaker 1>I did bring it up, and then they kicked him

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<v Speaker 1>to the curb right then they said, you know what.

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<v Speaker 9>And this is also while their protests that he was

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<v Speaker 9>bringing bringing on people to question the war, the plan,

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<v Speaker 9>the drum beat for the war in Iraq, and they said,

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<v Speaker 9>you know your program is in jeopardy, and he had

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<v Speaker 9>to add, well, I'm thinking of bringing on.

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<v Speaker 1>Greg Pallas as a regular reporter for the show. They

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<v Speaker 1>literally almost canceled him on the spot.

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<v Speaker 9>They waited a good day. I'm not kidding you. I

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<v Speaker 9>can't make this up. I got this from his producer,

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<v Speaker 9>and I spoke to Phil and I apologize for, you know,

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<v Speaker 9>getting a show camned.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, so censorship so I couldn't get in the Times.

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<v Speaker 9>And in fact, it's interesting The Times two years later

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<v Speaker 9>brought up had an editorial in which they mentioned the

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<v Speaker 9>infamous fellon purge of Florida in two thousand. Well how

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<v Speaker 9>could it be infamous when they didn't even report it?

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<v Speaker 1>And I got it.

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<v Speaker 9>So, but here's the thing I keep getting censored. When

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<v Speaker 9>I did a report at in January twenty twenty one

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<v Speaker 9>during the Senate runoff in Georgia, you know, and I

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<v Speaker 9>did a report for a program called Democracy Now, in

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<v Speaker 9>which I showed that they were that they had illegally

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<v Speaker 9>that their GOP had illegally removed one hundred and ninety

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01:01:55.800 --> 01:01:58.480
<v Speaker 9>eight thousand voters from the voter rules, including Martin Luther

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<v Speaker 9>King's ninety two year old cousin. They said that she

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<v Speaker 9>didn't live in Georgia anymore. I went to her house.

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<v Speaker 9>I was in front of the polling station when she

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<v Speaker 9>was thrown out on her keyster and her granddaughter's hysterical

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<v Speaker 9>and in tears.

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<v Speaker 1>This is King's cousin.

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<v Speaker 9>It's gonna be the fiftieth anniversary of her voting the

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<v Speaker 9>first time, which is the fiftieth anniversary of her cousin's death.

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<v Speaker 9>And what happened was, so I ran it on Democracy Now,

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<v Speaker 9>but they had shortened it. They took out the front

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<v Speaker 9>end where I had Trump people saying the election was

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<v Speaker 9>stolen and I'm proving them wrong. But then Consortium News

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01:02:32.199 --> 01:02:35.599
<v Speaker 9>ran the story and then they did the whole program

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<v Speaker 9>so that it included the Trump people saying the election

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<v Speaker 9>stolem anyway we got. Not only was that program pulled

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<v Speaker 9>off of YouTube by who owns.

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01:02:47.239 --> 01:02:48.159
<v Speaker 1>YouTube, that's Google.

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<v Speaker 9>Not only did Google remove that piece, they told Consortium

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<v Speaker 9>News that one more time violating their community standards, and

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<v Speaker 9>they will shut down Consortium News, which is life or

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01:03:01.440 --> 01:03:04.159
<v Speaker 9>death for them. They won't be able to outlet and

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01:03:04.159 --> 01:03:06.760
<v Speaker 9>that's their that's their outlet. Consortium News, by the way,

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01:03:06.800 --> 01:03:11.440
<v Speaker 9>he was started by the extraordinary columnists, uh, investigative reporter

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<v Speaker 9>Bob Perry and is now yeah, it was run by

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<v Speaker 9>you know, a former Wall Street Journal reporter. But you

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<v Speaker 9>know that wasn't for you know, as far as Google

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01:03:23.039 --> 01:03:24.519
<v Speaker 9>is concerned. And you know, here's the problem. So it

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<v Speaker 9>keeps going on, the censorship and the strangulation of the

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<v Speaker 9>truth continues.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I.

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<v Speaker 9>Got, uh, you know, and but you know, on the

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<v Speaker 9>other hand, we also have unfortunately on the left, we've

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<v Speaker 9>now and I say we because I consider myself on.

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<v Speaker 1>The left, whether you like it or not.

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<v Speaker 9>And I was just on a program on the crisis

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<v Speaker 9>in journalism, and a non journalist said, the crisis in

1141
01:03:53.320 --> 01:03:59.239
<v Speaker 9>journalism is that Zuckerberg doesn't remove postings quick enough that

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01:03:59.559 --> 01:04:00.960
<v Speaker 9>deny climate change.

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<v Speaker 1>And you're really going on and on that that there's

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<v Speaker 1>just not enough censorship on the on the net. And

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<v Speaker 1>I said, so you're in favor of censorship. Oh, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>against censorship.

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<v Speaker 9>But I said, no, that that's you can't be for

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01:04:13.599 --> 01:04:16.039
<v Speaker 9>censorship but against censorship.

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01:04:16.039 --> 01:04:18.079
<v Speaker 1>But because as soon as you say but you're for censorship.

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01:04:18.159 --> 01:04:20.719
<v Speaker 1>So you want these people, you want people you don't

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01:04:20.760 --> 01:04:21.519
<v Speaker 1>agree with pulled out.

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<v Speaker 9>So how would you feel if your site was pulled down? She's, oh,

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01:04:24.119 --> 01:04:28.440
<v Speaker 9>it has been pulled down. So in other words, she

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<v Speaker 9>was more concerned, not concerned, that she and her site,

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01:04:32.280 --> 01:04:35.199
<v Speaker 9>which was a climate change site for young people, were

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<v Speaker 9>being pulled off. There what disturbed her. That didn't bother

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<v Speaker 9>at all. What bothered her was that other sites that

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<v Speaker 9>she didn't agreement with we're not.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, because that is the essential duty of collectivism

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<v Speaker 2>and cognitive dissonance. And you know what that means, right, Greg,

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01:04:52.519 --> 01:04:55.920
<v Speaker 2>I mean you hold two opposing ideas in your brain

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<v Speaker 2>at the same time, and there's.

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<v Speaker 1>To call it bullshit, hypocrisy, I know, call cognitive dissonance

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<v Speaker 1>because you had that, I know, right, I learnt that

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01:05:04.639 --> 01:05:06.679
<v Speaker 1>before you dropped out, right. I don't want to be

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01:05:06.800 --> 01:05:10.559
<v Speaker 1>so cynical because Greg Pallas is on the air. He's

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<v Speaker 1>a real journalist and not a jerk.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's how he signs off on his emails to

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<v Speaker 2>me every day. No, because it's it's gotten worse. And

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<v Speaker 2>I remember, I think I interviewed you in just after

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand the first time and we've since become friends.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's like, what is going on? And so both

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01:05:32.599 --> 01:05:33.960
<v Speaker 1>sides steal elections.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's just finish off with this, because I don't

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01:05:36.920 --> 01:05:40.559
<v Speaker 2>know who were you supporting in the twenty twenty election.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I had a Bernie Sanders interest, I had a

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<v Speaker 2>Tolci Gabbert interest, I had a little Rampall interest, but

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01:05:47.719 --> 01:05:49.880
<v Speaker 2>none of them really looked good enough for me.

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<v Speaker 1>But I saw what happened and they.

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<v Speaker 2>So I know you're doing all this work on how

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<v Speaker 2>Republicans steal elections, but how did the Democrats two elections

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01:06:00.920 --> 01:06:04.119
<v Speaker 2>in a row steal the election from Bernie Sanders?

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<v Speaker 1>They did that? That's true?

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<v Speaker 9>Actually, if that was I wrote that article for The

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<v Speaker 9>Guardian and which was picked up exactly nowhere in the

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<v Speaker 9>American press.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm here in La La Land, in Hollywood, in California.

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<v Speaker 9>And we have and I explained how Bernie Sanders was

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<v Speaker 9>cheated out of hundreds of thousands of votes.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, the.

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<v Speaker 9>Number one polling center in California, which is very democratically oriented,

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<v Speaker 9>they gave me all the data.

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<v Speaker 1>See, in California, you have.

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<v Speaker 9>This weird system where if you are a Democrat, if

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<v Speaker 9>you're an independent, and most voters in California are independent,

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01:06:46.920 --> 01:06:49.480
<v Speaker 9>don't register for a party, but they believe and they've

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<v Speaker 9>been told that they can vote in the Democratic primary

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<v Speaker 9>because everyone hears Democrat, but they young people just don't

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<v Speaker 9>put down their party affiliation.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, as it turns out, Bernie Sanders.

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01:07:01.840 --> 01:07:09.280
<v Speaker 9>Among independent registered but Democratic leading voters was winning two

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<v Speaker 9>to one.

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01:07:09.800 --> 01:07:11.320
<v Speaker 1>So that's most of the voters.

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<v Speaker 9>So if all those voters could vote as they thought

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01:07:14.679 --> 01:07:18.079
<v Speaker 9>they could vote, then he would have won the California

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<v Speaker 9>primary in the last two in sixteen, and he would

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<v Speaker 9>have wont even bigger in twenty.

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<v Speaker 1>But what happened people didn't know that they had.

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<v Speaker 9>If they went in and cast a Democratic Party ballot

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<v Speaker 9>but they weren't registered as Democrat, it would be thrown out.

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01:07:33.239 --> 01:07:36.119
<v Speaker 9>They had to ask for a special printed ballot called

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<v Speaker 9>the No Party Preference alternative ballot, the no party And

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01:07:41.719 --> 01:07:44.159
<v Speaker 9>if you didn't have the ask and you weren't allowed

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<v Speaker 9>and no pollwork. If you said that I'm an independent,

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01:07:46.920 --> 01:07:49.719
<v Speaker 9>but I want the Democratic Party ballot, which most that's

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<v Speaker 9>for most California voters, they wouldn't. They'd say, sorry, you

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01:07:53.239 --> 01:07:56.199
<v Speaker 9>can't vote a Democratic Party ballot. They're not allowed to say,

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<v Speaker 9>all I have to do is ask for the no

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01:07:58.239 --> 01:08:01.920
<v Speaker 9>party preference Democratic ban. Now that might sound complicated, but

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<v Speaker 9>it cost the Polling Center agreed with me, cost Bernie

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<v Speaker 9>Sanders hundreds of thousands of votes, hundreds of thousands. And

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<v Speaker 9>they called it the purge by postcard because they send

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01:08:12.280 --> 01:08:14.039
<v Speaker 9>you postcards saying do you want.

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<v Speaker 1>A Democratic Party ballot?

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<v Speaker 9>And then a lot of people every California gets a

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<v Speaker 9>ballot mail to them. I know there's a lot of detail,

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<v Speaker 9>but this is how you steal elections.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I mean it sounds like election They locked us

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01:08:29.000 --> 01:08:31.279
<v Speaker 1>all down for COVID and then you got to fill

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<v Speaker 1>out the thing. And I mean, I'm not trying to Hey, listen,

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01:08:34.520 --> 01:08:36.079
<v Speaker 1>I'm not trying to say Trump is right.

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<v Speaker 2>But most of no, no, no, no, but hold on, Greg,

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<v Speaker 2>most of the stuff that came out, the conspiracy theories

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01:08:44.600 --> 01:08:50.239
<v Speaker 2>on MSNBC and CNN and whatnot, they they fucked it up, Greg,

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01:08:50.520 --> 01:08:53.880
<v Speaker 2>because they ended up being wrong and they made Trump right.

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<v Speaker 2>And so how is Trump not looking at as he

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<v Speaker 2>called you? Is Trump get on the phone with Greg

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<v Speaker 2>Pallace because he could need you.

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<v Speaker 1>You got to tell him to get rid of.

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<v Speaker 2>His prime executioners. But man, I mean, it sounds familiar.

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01:09:11.279 --> 01:09:14.920
<v Speaker 2>And Trump himself, let me just say this, came out

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<v Speaker 2>and said they stole the election from Bernie Sanders.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, he said that, and he's right, yeah, and

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01:09:20.159 --> 01:09:21.359
<v Speaker 1>he was, and he brought out the point.

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<v Speaker 9>He says, well, he missed the bullet because he said,

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<v Speaker 9>if you know, at least six million people voted for

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<v Speaker 9>Bernie Sanders then voted for him.

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<v Speaker 1>He says, imagine if.

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<v Speaker 9>If Hillary had picked Bernie as her running mate, I'd

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<v Speaker 9>be out.

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<v Speaker 1>He would have lost absolutely, So you know, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't. You can't.

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<v Speaker 9>That's that's one of the problems. We see this problem

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<v Speaker 9>all the time. But at the moment, most of my

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<v Speaker 9>investigation is no question. Are Republicans playing games to the

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<v Speaker 9>vote or coming up with really false ideas of theft.

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<v Speaker 9>But I have to say, like the Democrat, I read

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01:09:51.960 --> 01:09:55.199
<v Speaker 9>the the Mueller report. The reason Trump wasn't indicted for

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01:09:55.680 --> 01:09:58.319
<v Speaker 9>conspiracy with Russia is that. And I know, as you heard,

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<v Speaker 9>I'm no friend of the Russians by any means.

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<v Speaker 1>But I read the Muller report.

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<v Speaker 9>He didn't bring it, and he says, there's just no

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<v Speaker 9>information here that leads to an indictment.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why and so.

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<v Speaker 9>The Democrats are going on with this Russia, Russia, Russia stuff,

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<v Speaker 9>while in fact there were some serious problems for you know,

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<v Speaker 9>black voters, Asian voters, young voters in.

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<v Speaker 1>Places like Georgia and Arizona. They buried, they buried the lead.

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<v Speaker 9>Oh, by the way, the Democratic Attorney General and Secretary

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<v Speaker 9>of State of Michigan had my site shut down when

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<v Speaker 9>you talk about censorship, because I said.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's the people that So I put up two lists three.

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<v Speaker 9>Well, you mean, who's that's Illinois, this is Michigan. So

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<v Speaker 9>I had I uncovered that three states Wisconsin, of four states, Wisconsin, Ohio, Michigan, Georgia,

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<v Speaker 9>and well, let's uh, Michigan. Yeah, all had illegally removed

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<v Speaker 9>voters from the voter rules, saying that they left the state.

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<v Speaker 1>When they didn't, they were still there.

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<v Speaker 9>I got and I actually got the world's top address

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<v Speaker 9>location experts, that is the people that work with Amazon.

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<v Speaker 9>You notice that you that Jack, You don't get someone

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<v Speaker 9>else's tidy Whiteyes, you always. They always know where you are.

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<v Speaker 9>And if you don't pay your and if you.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't pay American Express to your bill, they'll find you

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<v Speaker 1>in North Korea. I guarantee it. So I talked to

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<v Speaker 1>these experts.

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<v Speaker 9>They said, no, these people live here, and we called them,

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<v Speaker 9>We called twelve hundred voters and they said, uh, no,

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<v Speaker 9>what do you mean, I live here? But they lost

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<v Speaker 9>their votes, just like Martin Luther King's cousin. But that

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<v Speaker 9>didn't just happen that they the Republicans didn't in Georgia,

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<v Speaker 9>but the Democrats did it in Michigan. And while the

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<v Speaker 9>Republican Secretary of State, the scumbad name named Brad Raffin's

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<v Speaker 9>perguer Purgurs is really his name, raffis Perguer.

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<v Speaker 1>He had viciously attacked me.

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<v Speaker 9>Brian Kemp, the governor, viciously attacked me in Georgia, but

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<v Speaker 9>they didn't take down my site, whereas the Democratic Secretary

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<v Speaker 9>of State and Attorney General in Michigan they had my

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<v Speaker 9>site taken down until they got a note from a

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<v Speaker 9>kind of ACLU affiliate in Michigan saying.

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<v Speaker 1>Pallace generally helps Democrats, and then they then they had

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<v Speaker 1>my site. They let my site go back up.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, Greg, I mean, I'm so far left, I'm kind

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<v Speaker 2>of right, you know, I mean, that's I mean, now

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<v Speaker 2>it's getting it the.

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<v Speaker 1>Lines are really blurred.

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<v Speaker 2>All I want people to do is have common sense,

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<v Speaker 2>intelligent arguments based on information and not debunked by the

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<v Speaker 2>Government of Disinformation. I can't believe they're naming that it's

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<v Speaker 2>it is the Department of Disinformation. Are they telling us

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<v Speaker 2>what they're trying to do to us?

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<v Speaker 10>And I don't think you're Do you remember great the

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<v Speaker 10>liar According to the London Mirror, the liar with your picture.

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<v Speaker 2>You're not going to turn out okay in this this

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<v Speaker 2>thing with the new Department of Disinformation.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not going to work out good for you man.

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<v Speaker 9>Sorry, no, it has That's why I say they took

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<v Speaker 9>They took down my stuff from CONSORTI News, they shut

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<v Speaker 9>down my website. This is the problem with once we

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<v Speaker 9>start in censorship wars, and then they'll say, oh, we

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<v Speaker 9>didn't mean you, Just like in Michigan, once the Democrats

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<v Speaker 9>were told, hey, Palace, most of his work is supporting

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<v Speaker 9>supports Democrats.

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<v Speaker 1>Then oh, oh we didn't. Oh that was a mistake. No, no, no, no, no.

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<v Speaker 9>I don't want anyone censored, whether I'm supporting Democrats, Republicans,

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<v Speaker 9>or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't support any freaking candidate because they all

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<v Speaker 1>end up going rotten, and I don't care who they are.

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<v Speaker 9>I mean, you know, I mean I was, I was,

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<v Speaker 9>actually I you know, Hugo chav Is considered me a

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<v Speaker 9>good friend. But even he went rotten in the end,

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<v Speaker 9>of course he so that's real rotten.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, fast acting cancer. I'm sure it was

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<v Speaker 2>perfectly explainable. But yeah, no, no, but you're right. He

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<v Speaker 2>guys coffee day, so there's a reason why he has

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I drink eighty cups of coffee a day,

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01:14:16.600 --> 01:14:18.399
<v Speaker 2>drink whiskey and smoked cigarettes.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm still act with Satan. So you've got to

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<v Speaker 1>you know.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what he did at the end, he would

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<v Speaker 2>have those meetings. I mean he he did become a dictator,

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01:14:29.039 --> 01:14:34.159
<v Speaker 2>but he this is so complicated because they have they

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<v Speaker 2>have multiple coups running against them. I mean, it's the.

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<v Speaker 9>People of Venezuela loved that man all the way to

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<v Speaker 9>the end. His big problem was picking someone who's not

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<v Speaker 9>competent to take his.

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<v Speaker 1>Place in Venezuela. Because see, the.

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<v Speaker 9>One thing that that the left doesn't understand what chav is,

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<v Speaker 9>because I knew him well is and he translated some

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<v Speaker 9>of my books, The best Democracy money can buy into.

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<v Speaker 1>Spanish, by the way.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, and he read he'd read from my books every

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<v Speaker 9>week on his TV show I'llow Presidente, which didn't didn't

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<v Speaker 9>That didn't help me either, well, mainly because of these

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01:15:10.039 --> 01:15:11.520
<v Speaker 9>crazy Cubans with guns.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why it didn't help me.

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<v Speaker 9>And and as you know from from the book, that's

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<v Speaker 9>one of the things that led.

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<v Speaker 1>To the problem with with miss Badpenny, my chief investigator.

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<v Speaker 9>And now my my official, my spouse. But we have

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<v Speaker 9>the most unusual meeting, you know, people say, well, how

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<v Speaker 9>did you two meet, you know, and after we got married,

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01:15:33.359 --> 01:15:36.520
<v Speaker 9>and I said, well, I thought she was sent to

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<v Speaker 9>assassinate me and I was going to have to take

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<v Speaker 9>her out first, and which is true, it's absolutely hundred

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<v Speaker 9>percent true.

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<v Speaker 1>And involved with.

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<v Speaker 9>Picnic, I was getting these death threats from these right wingers.

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<v Speaker 1>And no one was supposed to know where I live.

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<v Speaker 1>But she's an investigator, so of course she hunted me down.

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<v Speaker 1>It's good if you're asking for a job as an investigator,

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<v Speaker 1>that's one way to do it. And she is a

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<v Speaker 1>foreign agent.

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<v Speaker 9>Yes, yes, Jesus, very Swiss, and so she uh so

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<v Speaker 9>it's after midnight and there's this like young woman like

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<v Speaker 9>all cover it up. I thought she was young, I mean,

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<v Speaker 9>as she looked like she was in her twenties.

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<v Speaker 1>Whatever. I walk outs after one in the morning and.

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<v Speaker 9>She goes, no one's supposed to know where I live,

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01:16:23.359 --> 01:16:24.600
<v Speaker 9>No one's supposed to know where I work.

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<v Speaker 1>No one is a secret because it.

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<v Speaker 9>Is dangerous, and she goes, mister Pallaced, and I go, damn,

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<v Speaker 9>this is it. She's gonna this is like Squeaky Frome.

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<v Speaker 9>She's gonna this, this freak is from some cult. She's

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<v Speaker 9>gonna take me out. And so then I decided i'd

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<v Speaker 9>have to because you can't outrun a bullets.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't run away.

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<v Speaker 9>You have to go into someone and knock them over.

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<v Speaker 9>That's the training, and you go roll into them. And

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<v Speaker 9>I was about to take her out and smash her

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<v Speaker 9>face when she said but I hesitated for half a

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<v Speaker 9>second because I was actually walking my dog and I

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<v Speaker 9>didn't want him to run, And so that half second

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<v Speaker 9>hesitation allowed her to say, mister Pallace the second time.

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<v Speaker 9>Now someone's gonna bump you off. They're not gonna ask twice.

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<v Speaker 1>So I was so relieved. She just said, well, I

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01:17:13.399 --> 01:17:15.520
<v Speaker 1>found your interests that I want to ask you for

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01:17:15.600 --> 01:17:18.760
<v Speaker 1>a job, and I go, oh, I was so relieved.

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<v Speaker 9>I would have given her my my house, which eventually

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<v Speaker 9>I did.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Well, we'll see how it turns out. We'll see

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01:17:28.039 --> 01:17:30.600
<v Speaker 1>how it turns out. But you know, I gotta go

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01:17:30.640 --> 01:17:34.079
<v Speaker 1>to break. Man's all take a break because this has

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<v Speaker 1>been eminently fascinating.

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<v Speaker 2>We got another half hour to go with a good friend,

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01:17:39.680 --> 01:17:41.680
<v Speaker 2>Greg Palace, be right back after this.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the Jack Led Show to friend education. We don't

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01:17:45.439 --> 01:17:52.840
<v Speaker 1>need your This is Helio's creed and you're listening to

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01:17:52.960 --> 01:17:54.279
<v Speaker 1>the Jack That show.

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<v Speaker 4>Every thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Points to the birthday here world Quarter. But when it's

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<v Speaker 3>starting to listen to look back at the twenty first century.

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<v Speaker 7>We'll say, well, say all the.

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<v Speaker 5>Crises of the twenty fifth century, it's obvious.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a direction with the pattern the birth of the

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<v Speaker 3>world order, the pattern the birth of the quarter.

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<v Speaker 1>Your education.

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<v Speaker 2>So the off air conversations are almost as good as

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01:18:41.239 --> 01:18:42.800
<v Speaker 2>the on air conversations.

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to.

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<v Speaker 2>The Jack Blood Show. We are live every Thursday right now.

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<v Speaker 2>It is Sinko de Mayo and appreciate you guys joining us.

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<v Speaker 2>Please spread the word if you would, and then we'll

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<v Speaker 2>add extra days in more content. Somebody who is no

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<v Speaker 2>stranger two massive amounts of content is a New York

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01:19:03.560 --> 01:19:08.520
<v Speaker 2>Times bestseller. He's our guest today, Greg Palace, Rolling Stone, Guardian,

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01:19:08.640 --> 01:19:11.399
<v Speaker 2>BBC Best Democracy money can buy?

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<v Speaker 1>Please buy that book?

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01:19:12.640 --> 01:19:15.760
<v Speaker 2>Will you buy it? Because Greg, he can't pay his rent.

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01:19:15.920 --> 01:19:19.279
<v Speaker 2>He needs to have people buying that. But Vulture's picnic

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<v Speaker 2>in the case of the stolen election. He's on Amazon,

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<v Speaker 2>Amazon Prime, and he's in a bunch of documentaries and

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01:19:26.399 --> 01:19:29.239
<v Speaker 2>we're super happy to have him here, not just because

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<v Speaker 2>he knows where all the bodies are buried, because he's

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<v Speaker 2>my friend. So Greg, good to have you. We got

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<v Speaker 2>another thirty minutes, let's go.

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<v Speaker 9>Okay, Yeah, Well, we were talking about Venezuela, and I

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01:19:38.479 --> 01:19:43.000
<v Speaker 9>want to make an important point. You know, we keep saying, oh,

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<v Speaker 9>Germany has to keep paying half of They pay nearly

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01:19:46.960 --> 01:19:49.680
<v Speaker 9>a billion dollars a day to putin for his oil

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01:19:49.720 --> 01:19:54.000
<v Speaker 9>and gas. They are funding the Germans are funding the

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01:19:54.039 --> 01:19:55.079
<v Speaker 9>invasion now.

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<v Speaker 1>But they say always nothing we can do about it. Yeah,

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01:19:57.199 --> 01:20:00.720
<v Speaker 1>there is venice. We have embargoed people forget yet we've

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<v Speaker 1>laid siege to Venezuela.

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<v Speaker 9>We have an embargo. We don't let anything in we

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01:20:04.920 --> 01:20:09.560
<v Speaker 9>don't let anything out. Venezuela could export two million barrels

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01:20:09.560 --> 01:20:12.600
<v Speaker 9>of oil a day, and that creepy corporation Chevron, we

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01:20:12.600 --> 01:20:13.640
<v Speaker 9>can get into Chevron.

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<v Speaker 2>Well broke no, but hold on, I want my listeners

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01:20:18.359 --> 01:20:21.159
<v Speaker 2>to know you're the guy that broke the Exxon Valdez story.

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<v Speaker 1>So all right, go yeah.

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<v Speaker 9>So what happened was I was the chief investigator on

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<v Speaker 9>the Exon Vald's breakup for the natives.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's not forget that. It's it's American natives who own

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01:20:32.479 --> 01:20:34.000
<v Speaker 1>that property up in Alaska.

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<v Speaker 9>And I uncovered that it wasn't some drunken skipper who

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<v Speaker 9>smacked a reef like you know, some drunken a wheel.

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<v Speaker 1>That's an idiot concept. He wasn't even at the wheel.

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<v Speaker 1>There was no the radar.

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<v Speaker 9>It was the Excellon Veld's had the first GPS system

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<v Speaker 9>that was created by Raytheon. It costs not twenty dollars

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<v Speaker 9>that you get at Walmart. It was two million dollars

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<v Speaker 9>and difficult to operate. So because it was too cost

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<v Speaker 9>so much money and costs a lot to operate and

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<v Speaker 9>train folks, Exxon just told them to shut off the radar.

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<v Speaker 1>So you have a giant frickin' tanker.

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<v Speaker 9>Going through Alaskan waters with the radar off, and that's

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<v Speaker 9>how they hit the reef. And then we wouldn't have

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<v Speaker 9>even heard about that except that they you know where

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<v Speaker 9>they hit, a place called Bly Island.

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<v Speaker 1>This is important people to understand how.

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<v Speaker 9>Corporate America works, Corporate Planet Corporation works. Okay, So on

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<v Speaker 9>Bly Island, which is where that Exon Valde smacked up,

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<v Speaker 9>the oil drilling consortium led by a company called British

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<v Speaker 9>Petroleum or BP, said that they would have in case

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01:21:45.119 --> 01:21:48.239
<v Speaker 9>there was ever an oil spill or tanker spill in

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<v Speaker 9>the the Prince William Sound in Alaska, that on Bly

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01:21:52.840 --> 01:21:56.800
<v Speaker 9>Island there would be all this equipment to surround a boat,

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01:21:56.960 --> 01:21:59.399
<v Speaker 9>suck out the oil and prevent the spread of a

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01:22:00.199 --> 01:22:04.239
<v Speaker 9>of oil. So what happened, And it's almost as if

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01:22:04.359 --> 01:22:07.239
<v Speaker 9>understand this is like starting a fire in a trash

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01:22:07.319 --> 01:22:10.199
<v Speaker 9>can in front of a fire department. But the thing

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01:22:10.319 --> 01:22:12.039
<v Speaker 9>was so that we should have never even heard the

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01:22:12.039 --> 01:22:14.600
<v Speaker 9>Exxon Valdiez because they literally smacked into the place where

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01:22:14.600 --> 01:22:16.760
<v Speaker 9>they kept all the equipment, except that they didn't have

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01:22:16.800 --> 01:22:20.000
<v Speaker 9>the equipment. It wasn't there. It was a total lie

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<v Speaker 9>British petroleum.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is not Exxon but Exon. Let me tell you,

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<v Speaker 1>Exon was in on it, on petroleum, beyond petroleum.

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<v Speaker 9>The you know they paint their gas station's green. But

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01:22:31.439 --> 01:22:35.800
<v Speaker 9>then they complete they literally fabricated that they had the

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01:22:36.199 --> 01:22:38.520
<v Speaker 9>emergency equipment that they figured, well, who's ever gonna look

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01:22:38.600 --> 01:22:41.159
<v Speaker 9>in the middle of the Arctic, you know, Well, so

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<v Speaker 9>it wasn't there, and the coastline was destroyed.

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01:22:45.399 --> 01:22:48.079
<v Speaker 1>Then we and by the way, so when I saw the.

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<v Speaker 9>Deep water horizon go up and there was no equipment there,

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01:22:53.399 --> 01:22:57.640
<v Speaker 9>Haliburton horizon once again, once again.

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<v Speaker 1>That was British petroleum.

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<v Speaker 9>And now in Venezuela, by the way, the reason why

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<v Speaker 9>Venezuela is under barber you know what it is because

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01:23:06.359 --> 01:23:11.319
<v Speaker 9>when French total pulled out of Venezuela, the British government

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01:23:11.840 --> 01:23:18.399
<v Speaker 9>asked Maduro, the Travis's successor, if they could drill in

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01:23:18.520 --> 01:23:20.920
<v Speaker 9>Venezuela take over the French concession.

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01:23:21.600 --> 01:23:25.119
<v Speaker 1>The British would take it for BP and Maduro said no,

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01:23:25.239 --> 01:23:28.920
<v Speaker 1>which is foolish because he didn't realize what they would

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01:23:28.920 --> 01:23:29.479
<v Speaker 1>do to him.

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<v Speaker 9>He said, no, We're going to keep it for the

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01:23:31.239 --> 01:23:34.439
<v Speaker 9>for Venezuela's own oil company. That was a big mistake.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't screw it, British Petroleum. I was in a

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01:23:39.000 --> 01:23:40.520
<v Speaker 1>Zerobaijean as you know from.

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01:23:40.439 --> 01:23:47.079
<v Speaker 9>My book, from Volter's Picnic, and you know when when

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01:23:47.279 --> 01:23:52.159
<v Speaker 9>uh the it was baby baba uh, the dictator was

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01:23:52.199 --> 01:23:55.880
<v Speaker 9>put in there because they had they had an elected

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<v Speaker 9>president in a Zerbaijan. That's one of these nations pooped

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01:23:58.800 --> 01:24:02.800
<v Speaker 9>out by the Soviet Union. When it fell over in

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01:24:02.840 --> 01:24:05.840
<v Speaker 9>the nation of a Zerbaijan, they'd given they didn't give

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01:24:05.880 --> 01:24:10.239
<v Speaker 9>British Petroleum the concession to drill oil in the Caspian Sea.

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01:24:10.880 --> 01:24:15.399
<v Speaker 9>So m I six simply over gave guns to the

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01:24:15.399 --> 01:24:20.880
<v Speaker 9>old kg BE chief. I hat a leave and they

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01:24:20.880 --> 01:24:23.359
<v Speaker 9>overthrew the elected government. And you know when I did

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01:24:23.359 --> 01:24:26.520
<v Speaker 9>a show on that for Channel four Britain where they

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01:24:26.560 --> 01:24:29.680
<v Speaker 9>don't have the same level of censorship. When I did

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01:24:29.720 --> 01:24:33.439
<v Speaker 9>that show, we put on a member of parliament who's

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01:24:33.439 --> 01:24:35.920
<v Speaker 9>on the board of directors of British Petroleum. By the way,

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01:24:36.039 --> 01:24:38.920
<v Speaker 9>if you can imagine in Britain you can actually be

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01:24:38.960 --> 01:24:41.520
<v Speaker 9>a member of parliament and be on a corporate board.

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<v Speaker 9>But everyone knows he was all that here. Yeah, no, no, no,

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01:24:45.800 --> 01:24:47.319
<v Speaker 9>we don't we don't buy them.

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<v Speaker 1>We do.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to be out of Congress before you you

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01:24:50.199 --> 01:24:50.920
<v Speaker 2>get the bullard.

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<v Speaker 9>I just have to tell you that the money's on

1533
01:24:53.600 --> 01:24:55.720
<v Speaker 9>its way, the checks and the mail what you're but

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01:24:55.800 --> 01:24:58.359
<v Speaker 9>the but on top of it.

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01:25:00.079 --> 01:25:01.119
<v Speaker 1>So they overthrew.

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01:25:01.439 --> 01:25:04.239
<v Speaker 9>So this guy from from the member of Parliament on

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01:25:04.279 --> 01:25:08.119
<v Speaker 9>the Board directors of BP is also an m I

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01:25:08.279 --> 01:25:14.000
<v Speaker 9>six officer, you know, Uh James Bob Yeah, and uh

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01:25:14.960 --> 01:25:18.159
<v Speaker 9>when we said so we have evidence that m I

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01:25:18.239 --> 01:25:23.079
<v Speaker 9>six overthrew the elected president of a Zerbi Sho and

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01:25:23.119 --> 01:25:25.119
<v Speaker 9>you know what his response was, Well, isn't that what

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01:25:25.159 --> 01:25:25.840
<v Speaker 9>you pay us to do.

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01:25:26.800 --> 01:25:31.079
<v Speaker 1>Isn't that what the British taxpayers expect. We're supposed to

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01:25:31.079 --> 01:25:35.119
<v Speaker 1>preserve the oil of these nations for our nation. We

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01:25:35.239 --> 01:25:37.319
<v Speaker 1>do gas an economy.

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01:25:37.439 --> 01:25:41.600
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it is cartel capitalism at its highest.

1547
01:25:42.039 --> 01:25:42.359
<v Speaker 1>Man.

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01:25:42.920 --> 01:25:46.359
<v Speaker 2>So okay, now, I don't know where you just like

1549
01:25:46.439 --> 01:25:49.479
<v Speaker 2>to you just took this into places don't have to.

1550
01:25:50.560 --> 01:25:52.319
<v Speaker 1>But you know what, Hey, check this out. I just

1551
01:25:52.359 --> 01:25:55.159
<v Speaker 1>watched this movie called Big Man. Have you seen that?

1552
01:25:56.159 --> 01:25:57.439
<v Speaker 1>It is, uh, the.

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01:25:57.479 --> 01:26:01.720
<v Speaker 2>Corporate takeover of a massive oil field called the Jubilee

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01:26:01.760 --> 01:26:02.920
<v Speaker 2>oil field.

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01:26:03.079 --> 01:26:06.119
<v Speaker 1>Off the shore of Ghana in Africa.

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01:26:06.279 --> 01:26:09.319
<v Speaker 2>All Right, we're raping Africa a little bit and just

1557
01:26:09.399 --> 01:26:16.439
<v Speaker 2>started happening yesterday. And you know, but and it's a

1558
01:26:16.560 --> 01:26:22.640
<v Speaker 2>juxtaposition between them and Niger who you know, this is

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01:26:22.680 --> 01:26:28.359
<v Speaker 2>what happens when oil hits your country and it supersedes government.

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01:26:28.439 --> 01:26:30.960
<v Speaker 1>There's no state department involved.

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01:26:31.239 --> 01:26:36.520
<v Speaker 2>It's exon mobile, it's corporations, and they don't care like

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01:26:36.560 --> 01:26:40.119
<v Speaker 2>who gets hurt. And the money doesn't ever go to

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01:26:40.159 --> 01:26:43.319
<v Speaker 2>the people. I think someday, you know, it's like Christmas.

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01:26:43.319 --> 01:26:46.880
<v Speaker 2>Someday Christmas will come and we'll get our presence under

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01:26:46.920 --> 01:26:49.079
<v Speaker 2>the tree, says the poor little.

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01:26:48.920 --> 01:26:52.359
<v Speaker 1>Kid in Harlem. It's not happening, man. I mean, now

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01:26:52.399 --> 01:26:55.239
<v Speaker 1>we'll don't forget why why. What pushed.

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<v Speaker 9>What created Putin was the was the ash and grab

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01:27:00.960 --> 01:27:04.640
<v Speaker 9>of the oil industry in Russia. Russia, forty three percent

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01:27:04.680 --> 01:27:07.920
<v Speaker 9>the budget is from oil sales and royalties.

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01:27:07.840 --> 01:27:10.600
<v Speaker 1>And now it's more, it's like eighty percent. This nation.

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<v Speaker 9>We you know, Larry Summers and the gangsters from Harvard,

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01:27:15.800 --> 01:27:20.039
<v Speaker 9>with Bill Clinton's help, went in and took advantage of

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01:27:20.079 --> 01:27:24.319
<v Speaker 9>that drunk Yeltsin and privatized everything. What privatized means that

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01:27:24.399 --> 01:27:27.720
<v Speaker 9>they took public resources, the entire oil industry of Russia,

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01:27:27.760 --> 01:27:31.359
<v Speaker 9>which is the world's number one oil producer today number one,

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01:27:31.600 --> 01:27:36.399
<v Speaker 9>took all that oil and literally handed it to the

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01:27:36.439 --> 01:27:41.680
<v Speaker 9>connected oligarchs, the billionaires. These are raging thieves that destroyed

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01:27:41.680 --> 01:27:46.560
<v Speaker 9>the nation. The average life expectancy of a man dropped

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01:27:47.119 --> 01:27:48.960
<v Speaker 9>by more than ten years.

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01:27:49.000 --> 01:27:50.359
<v Speaker 1>You know what that's like. That was worse.

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01:27:50.680 --> 01:27:53.439
<v Speaker 9>That had a bigger effect than World War Two on

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01:27:53.520 --> 01:27:55.039
<v Speaker 9>the demographics of Russia.

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01:27:55.119 --> 01:27:56.239
<v Speaker 1>That's how severe it was.

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01:27:56.680 --> 01:28:00.239
<v Speaker 9>You had one fourth of the population literally starving because

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01:28:00.239 --> 01:28:03.119
<v Speaker 9>of this type of oil privatization. So Putin came in

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01:28:03.600 --> 01:28:06.840
<v Speaker 9>and seized back a big hunk of the oil industry

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01:28:07.279 --> 01:28:13.920
<v Speaker 9>from a gangster named Kodorovsky. He banished another oligarch named

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<v Speaker 9>Berezovsky interested who then ended up dead, face down in

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01:28:16.840 --> 01:28:20.880
<v Speaker 9>his bathroom. I don't know how mister Putin, but he's

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01:28:20.920 --> 01:28:23.720
<v Speaker 9>the guy who actually put Putin in. And what's interesting,

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01:28:24.479 --> 01:28:27.159
<v Speaker 9>what's interesting, Jack, if you go to greg Palace dot

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01:28:27.159 --> 01:28:31.439
<v Speaker 9>comulo read the story this guy Berezovsky who put Putin in.

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01:28:31.479 --> 01:28:34.560
<v Speaker 9>And remember Putin became president No One, only less than

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01:28:34.600 --> 01:28:37.960
<v Speaker 9>one percent of the public knew who he was when

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01:28:37.960 --> 01:28:38.560
<v Speaker 9>he took over.

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01:28:38.760 --> 01:28:44.680
<v Speaker 1>Less than one percent. He was put in by two oligarchs.

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<v Speaker 9>One Berezovsky, another Kazinski, who was then sent into exile too.

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<v Speaker 9>Why they picked Putin They wanted a Russian pinachet. They

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01:28:54.520 --> 01:28:56.399
<v Speaker 9>wanted like the dick, you know, the guy the murder.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, yeah, that's good. He's the bag man because

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01:29:00.439 --> 01:29:03.079
<v Speaker 1>he worked for the mayor of Saint Petersburg and he

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01:29:03.199 --> 01:29:06.079
<v Speaker 1>got him out and then he worked his way up

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01:29:06.199 --> 01:29:11.359
<v Speaker 1>in East Germany to be Yeltsin's buddy, and they picked him.

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01:29:11.560 --> 01:29:14.960
<v Speaker 2>He's our Frankenstein and now we want him out. Is

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01:29:15.000 --> 01:29:17.119
<v Speaker 2>that what's going on? He we want him out and

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01:29:18.159 --> 01:29:19.520
<v Speaker 2>we don't care who has to.

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01:29:19.560 --> 01:29:23.479
<v Speaker 9>Die now after that guy in, It's very important for

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01:29:23.520 --> 01:29:25.239
<v Speaker 9>people to understand when we say we put him in.

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01:29:25.279 --> 01:29:26.319
<v Speaker 1>Here's how it went.

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<v Speaker 9>You got I want to fill in a little of

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01:29:27.760 --> 01:29:29.359
<v Speaker 9>that story you just told about Yeltsin.

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01:29:29.560 --> 01:29:30.840
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So this guy was a nothing.

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01:29:30.920 --> 01:29:35.199
<v Speaker 9>He was an assistant to Soapchak, the the mayor of Petersburg.

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01:29:35.520 --> 01:29:38.079
<v Speaker 1>He was a nothing guy, but he was a loyal guy.

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01:29:38.479 --> 01:29:41.079
<v Speaker 9>And Yeltsin was impressed by that, and so were these

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01:29:41.359 --> 01:29:45.760
<v Speaker 9>these other the oligarchs there. What they wanted that Yeltsin

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01:29:45.880 --> 01:29:49.039
<v Speaker 9>was a drunk The nation was falling apart. Yelson had

1619
01:29:49.159 --> 01:29:53.479
<v Speaker 9>five heart attacks, it was, but he decided he wanted

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01:29:53.520 --> 01:29:57.960
<v Speaker 9>to run again. So when he and Berezovsky and Guzinski

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01:29:58.199 --> 01:30:03.359
<v Speaker 9>went to Davos and they saw that Yeltsin was being ignored,

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01:30:03.399 --> 01:30:06.239
<v Speaker 9>and they were literally and the oil company chiefs were

1623
01:30:06.279 --> 01:30:10.640
<v Speaker 9>fawning all over the head of the Communist Party what's

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01:30:10.640 --> 01:30:14.319
<v Speaker 9>his name is Zuganoff, who they assumed would beat yelts

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01:30:14.359 --> 01:30:21.199
<v Speaker 9>In the next election. So the oligarchs, Berezovsky told Yeltson, look,

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01:30:21.880 --> 01:30:25.319
<v Speaker 9>we will We'll do whatever it takes. We'll basically steal

1627
01:30:25.319 --> 01:30:27.760
<v Speaker 9>the election for you. We'll get help from the Americans

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01:30:28.520 --> 01:30:32.239
<v Speaker 9>because they don't want the zuganyoffer whatever his name is,

1629
01:30:32.239 --> 01:30:34.640
<v Speaker 9>head of the Communist Party still is there to win.

1630
01:30:35.319 --> 01:30:38.520
<v Speaker 9>So we'll get Bill Clinton, we'll get our billions in there,

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01:30:38.640 --> 01:30:41.600
<v Speaker 9>and we'll use what they call administrative measures. That's the

1632
01:30:41.960 --> 01:30:44.439
<v Speaker 9>that's their fancy word for the bullshit word vote.

1633
01:30:44.239 --> 01:30:45.640
<v Speaker 1>Suppression, stealing the vote.

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01:30:46.640 --> 01:30:49.960
<v Speaker 9>So Yeltsin stole that election, but he had one condition

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01:30:50.039 --> 01:30:53.439
<v Speaker 9>put on him that he would resign shortly after that.

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01:30:53.520 --> 01:30:57.319
<v Speaker 9>He resigned a year or so after he gets elected,

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01:30:57.760 --> 01:30:59.960
<v Speaker 9>in favor of a man that they would Pick whould

1638
01:30:59.960 --> 01:31:05.000
<v Speaker 9>be like Pinichet. He would be militaristic, a teetotaler, and

1639
01:31:06.680 --> 01:31:11.600
<v Speaker 9>a super capitalist. They wanted someone who preserved the free market,

1640
01:31:12.039 --> 01:31:15.800
<v Speaker 9>cowboy capitalism that they'd put in place and protect their billions.

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01:31:16.399 --> 01:31:19.920
<v Speaker 1>And they came up. They literally went to meet with Pinachet.

1642
01:31:20.039 --> 01:31:20.720
<v Speaker 1>I kid you not.

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01:31:20.840 --> 01:31:24.000
<v Speaker 9>They actually had Pinochet go on Russian television to tell

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01:31:24.039 --> 01:31:27.800
<v Speaker 9>them what kind of president they wanted, and it described Putin.

1645
01:31:28.079 --> 01:31:32.159
<v Speaker 9>And then they got Yeltsin to name Putin a deputy

1646
01:31:32.159 --> 01:31:37.439
<v Speaker 9>prime minister. Then Prime Minister Yeltsin resigns, Putin becomes president.

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01:31:37.640 --> 01:31:40.880
<v Speaker 9>This is all engineered by the West, by the oil oligarchs,

1648
01:31:40.920 --> 01:31:43.119
<v Speaker 9>by the billionaires. When Putin got in, the first thing

1649
01:31:43.159 --> 01:31:47.119
<v Speaker 9>you realize, if Berezovski and Kotorovsky and Gazinski can put

1650
01:31:47.119 --> 01:31:49.279
<v Speaker 9>me in office, they can take me out. So then

1651
01:31:49.319 --> 01:31:51.239
<v Speaker 9>he went after the guys who put him in, which

1652
01:31:51.279 --> 01:31:51.760
<v Speaker 9>is sh you know.

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01:31:51.840 --> 01:31:55.680
<v Speaker 2>Look, and then they had let's go here now, because

1654
01:31:55.720 --> 01:31:58.159
<v Speaker 2>we're only like five minutes away from the end.

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01:31:58.039 --> 01:32:00.960
<v Speaker 1>Of the show, Greg Palace with us Greg Palace. They

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01:32:01.000 --> 01:32:05.279
<v Speaker 1>had an auction, So after they put Putin in, they

1657
01:32:05.279 --> 01:32:09.159
<v Speaker 1>had an auction to who would get all the resources and.

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01:32:09.199 --> 01:32:13.119
<v Speaker 2>Talking about fixed elections and and what's fixed and what isn't.

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01:32:13.760 --> 01:32:14.640
<v Speaker 1>They fixed it.

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01:32:14.720 --> 01:32:18.479
<v Speaker 2>Only Russians were allowed to participate in that, and they

1661
01:32:18.640 --> 01:32:22.920
<v Speaker 2>doled it out and ever since then it's just kind

1662
01:32:22.920 --> 01:32:24.319
<v Speaker 2>of been disorder.

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01:32:25.239 --> 01:32:28.000
<v Speaker 1>Well it's been Yeah. So what Putin did.

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01:32:27.960 --> 01:32:31.000
<v Speaker 9>Was he stole back, stole back enough of the oil

1665
01:32:31.880 --> 01:32:37.520
<v Speaker 9>to restore pensions and restore the government and economy and services.

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01:32:37.840 --> 01:32:39.399
<v Speaker 1>So that's what made him a hero.

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01:32:39.520 --> 01:32:41.159
<v Speaker 9>And then he decided, well, if you really want to

1668
01:32:41.159 --> 01:32:42.840
<v Speaker 9>be here, what you do is kill a bunch of Muslims.

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01:32:42.840 --> 01:32:47.039
<v Speaker 9>So he went in and leveled the capital of Chechnya, Garazni.

1670
01:32:47.079 --> 01:32:50.479
<v Speaker 9>He killed fifty thousand civilians, fifteen thousand.

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01:32:50.239 --> 01:32:54.680
<v Speaker 2>Russians after the school shooting, and oh yeah, shooting and

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01:32:54.720 --> 01:32:57.600
<v Speaker 2>that was a false that was a false flaggreg.

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01:32:57.039 --> 01:32:58.680
<v Speaker 1>You know that, and I know so they had right.

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01:32:58.760 --> 01:33:00.600
<v Speaker 1>So there was a school.

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01:33:01.399 --> 01:33:03.079
<v Speaker 9>This is a long story which we don't have time

1676
01:33:03.079 --> 01:33:05.600
<v Speaker 9>to get into, but Putin kind of got in trouble

1677
01:33:05.600 --> 01:33:07.800
<v Speaker 9>with that, so he needed to do something big. So

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<v Speaker 9>he crushed the Chechens and that made him a big hero,

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<v Speaker 9>and he took some of the oil money back, but

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<v Speaker 9>he kept most of the billionaires got to keep most

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<v Speaker 9>of their billions.

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<v Speaker 1>As you see there are yachts that are finally being seized.

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<v Speaker 9>But you know what, that doesn't mean much to these guys.

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<v Speaker 1>That's kind of a joke, you know.

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<v Speaker 9>The These sanctions are about as tough as taking away

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01:33:29.399 --> 01:33:32.000
<v Speaker 9>Putin's a Starbucks card.

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01:33:33.520 --> 01:33:35.079
<v Speaker 1>If you're buying his oil.

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<v Speaker 9>And all we have to do is take it from

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<v Speaker 9>Venezuela and stop punishing Venezuela. With Venezuela invaded, no one,

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<v Speaker 9>Venezuela has elections. Venezuela has been an ally of the

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<v Speaker 9>United States.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, they have a form.

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01:33:49.079 --> 01:33:52.319
<v Speaker 9>Of socialism there, how dare they? But so does It's

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01:33:52.319 --> 01:33:56.079
<v Speaker 9>probably it's not more of a socialistic country than Norway.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, stop calling them Venezuela.

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<v Speaker 2>They're sick. That's the name of their country. They're sick

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<v Speaker 2>of a couple of minutes left. Greg Palace with us

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01:34:06.039 --> 01:34:11.319
<v Speaker 2>best democracy money can buy vultures picnic Greg Palace dot com.

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01:34:11.359 --> 01:34:15.000
<v Speaker 2>You can sign up for his newsletter. It's really interesting

1700
01:34:15.479 --> 01:34:19.520
<v Speaker 2>and as you guys know, he's an old school investigative reporter.

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01:34:20.640 --> 01:34:23.720
<v Speaker 2>You know, we've done these shows for a long time.

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01:34:23.880 --> 01:34:26.119
<v Speaker 2>Let me hit you for one or two more questions.

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<v Speaker 2>Warren Buffett, right, you know him. Yes, I've heard he

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01:34:31.359 --> 01:34:38.600
<v Speaker 2>just came Berkshire, Hathaway. They have a subsidiaries in Russia, China,

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01:34:38.880 --> 01:34:42.520
<v Speaker 2>like everywhere, and here in Seattle where I live in

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01:34:42.680 --> 01:34:43.399
<v Speaker 2>your town.

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01:34:43.840 --> 01:34:47.960
<v Speaker 1>Said, the stock market is a casino. Today was a.

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<v Speaker 2>Very hard day for ethereum, for a bitcoin, for the

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01:34:52.159 --> 01:34:53.079
<v Speaker 2>stock market.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't see the gold prices today.

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<v Speaker 2>But I mean, what is he saying, because he's a

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01:34:59.159 --> 01:35:03.039
<v Speaker 2>vulture cap it's just invest your money in him and

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01:35:03.079 --> 01:35:05.880
<v Speaker 2>it'll be okay, and you don't play the casino. The

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01:35:05.960 --> 01:35:09.600
<v Speaker 2>stock market is a casino, according to Warren Buffett two

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<v Speaker 2>days ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, that's what he's kind of saying. He's saying,

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<v Speaker 1>Let I'm the pro let me pick the stocks for you. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 9>And and since he has so much swing mine as well,

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01:35:21.079 --> 01:35:22.359
<v Speaker 9>you know why pretend?

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01:35:23.439 --> 01:35:25.399
<v Speaker 1>Easy question, easy answer.

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01:35:25.520 --> 01:35:29.680
<v Speaker 2>I think that's as opposed to what Blackstone has been

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01:35:29.800 --> 01:35:34.319
<v Speaker 2>doing all over the country. He does he feeling the heat?

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01:35:34.720 --> 01:35:39.439
<v Speaker 2>Are the vulture capitalists turning on each other? And how

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01:35:39.439 --> 01:35:40.600
<v Speaker 2>does that work out for us?

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<v Speaker 1>Greg?

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<v Speaker 9>Well, I think you know, everyone likes Warren Buffet because

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01:35:45.479 --> 01:35:47.560
<v Speaker 9>he's kind of this benign investor, but he's not the

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<v Speaker 9>that's not.

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01:35:48.199 --> 01:35:48.920
<v Speaker 1>Where the big money.

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01:35:48.920 --> 01:35:50.920
<v Speaker 9>It's it's guys like the big funds that are rising,

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01:35:51.079 --> 01:35:54.560
<v Speaker 9>like Paul the vulture singer, where it's smash and grab.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what they do is the you know, like

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01:35:56.800 --> 01:35:57.840
<v Speaker 1>singer like took the.

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<v Speaker 9>You know I investigated when he took money from the

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01:36:03.159 --> 01:36:06.600
<v Speaker 9>Congo that was supposed to be used for colera medicine.

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01:36:06.760 --> 01:36:12.000
<v Speaker 9>He squeezed the nation of Argentina by the nads until

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<v Speaker 9>it went bankrupt.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh. This these are the guys.

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<v Speaker 9>These are the guys who are running the direction of

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01:36:19.640 --> 01:36:20.399
<v Speaker 9>this economy.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So is it insider trading? Insider trading which we

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01:36:25.239 --> 01:36:29.640
<v Speaker 1>know are congress people participate in the Stock Act didn't

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<v Speaker 1>work out, Thank you Obama for trying, but that didn't

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01:36:33.159 --> 01:36:36.479
<v Speaker 1>help us out at all. Is it insider trading?

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01:36:37.119 --> 01:36:43.640
<v Speaker 2>Or is it such a corptocracy that our elected officials

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01:36:44.000 --> 01:36:47.600
<v Speaker 2>in the fixed elections that we vote in and that's

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01:36:47.600 --> 01:36:49.039
<v Speaker 2>our that's our strength.

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01:36:51.159 --> 01:36:53.960
<v Speaker 1>Uh, they just rule everything. I mean, it's just well,

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01:36:54.000 --> 01:36:56.720
<v Speaker 1>here's the good. The good, there's still a back and forth.

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01:36:56.760 --> 01:36:58.880
<v Speaker 9>They can't steal all the elections all the time, and

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01:36:58.920 --> 01:37:02.840
<v Speaker 9>they have to make some concer sessions to avoid eruption,

1752
01:37:03.520 --> 01:37:07.680
<v Speaker 9>to avoid revolution because it doesn't take much, and so

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01:37:07.760 --> 01:37:09.279
<v Speaker 9>they got to concede something.

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01:37:10.439 --> 01:37:13.000
<v Speaker 1>But mostly right now, it's bread and circus. You know.

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01:37:13.119 --> 01:37:14.920
<v Speaker 1>They just they stick.

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<v Speaker 9>The internet needle into your arm once you're addicted, and

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01:37:18.720 --> 01:37:20.439
<v Speaker 9>then they decide what you can see and what you

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01:37:20.479 --> 01:37:23.960
<v Speaker 9>can't see. H So you know, yeah, so I'm not

1759
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<v Speaker 9>so much as you know with the way American corruption works,

1760
01:37:27.399 --> 01:37:31.439
<v Speaker 9>is that how many congressmen go broke and become poor

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<v Speaker 9>after they leave office.

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<v Speaker 1>Think about that, right, we just saw that Jan Saki

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01:37:39.319 --> 01:37:47.079
<v Speaker 1>she's going to MSNBC and seuse.

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<v Speaker 9>She's been offered more than a ten million dollar contract.

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01:37:48.760 --> 01:37:52.000
<v Speaker 9>So someone sitting next to the president is knows that

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01:37:52.039 --> 01:37:54.159
<v Speaker 9>she's going to receive when she walks out the door,

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01:37:54.239 --> 01:37:57.520
<v Speaker 9>ten million dollars from a media empire.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, her golden words on MSNBC aren't worth ten million dollars.

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<v Speaker 9>They don't have that many listeners come on, I mean,

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01:38:05.000 --> 01:38:08.159
<v Speaker 9>but it is worth But what's happened is that they

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01:38:08.399 --> 01:38:09.560
<v Speaker 9>just got their way.

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<v Speaker 1>Into the Oval office and that's how it works. Okay,

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01:38:12.960 --> 01:38:18.199
<v Speaker 1>But Corrine Jean Pierre is taking her place, so she's

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01:38:18.239 --> 01:38:24.119
<v Speaker 1>from MSNBC and Jen Psaki is going to MSNBC. Okay,

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01:38:24.279 --> 01:38:28.039
<v Speaker 1>that says it all, doesn't it. Yeah, it's it's a

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01:38:28.159 --> 01:38:29.319
<v Speaker 1>victim's parade.

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<v Speaker 2>Send in the clowns, theater of the mass and whitelist

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<v Speaker 2>for everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll remember that. Can I steal those lines? All of them?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that in the song? Oh? Is that in the

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01:38:40.640 --> 01:38:42.039
<v Speaker 1>song Vulture's Picnic? Add that?

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<v Speaker 2>No, we just wrote those today and Chuck was contributing

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01:38:46.680 --> 01:38:50.520
<v Speaker 2>to that is our producer. We gotta go Greg, anything

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01:38:50.560 --> 01:38:53.680
<v Speaker 2>you want to promote, because please just go to my

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01:38:53.760 --> 01:38:54.359
<v Speaker 2>friend here.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, just go to Greg Palace dot com. That's g

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<v Speaker 1>R E G P A L A s T.

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<v Speaker 9>Sign up and get my investigative reports, newsletters and films.

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<v Speaker 1>No charge, but we'll charge up your soul. How about that?

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<v Speaker 2>One of the last investigative reporters for real, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>one of the real, one of the real Fedoras out

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<v Speaker 2>there for real? All right, man, you know I love you,

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<v Speaker 2>kiss bad Penny for me. Thank you guys for joining

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<v Speaker 2>us on the show today. Please contribute to us Jackblood

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01:39:27.119 --> 01:39:30.680
<v Speaker 2>at hotmail dot com if you want to donate a

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01:39:30.680 --> 01:39:33.279
<v Speaker 2>couple of bucks. We'll keep doing shows like this and

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<v Speaker 2>we'll add some more. That's what we're doing until then.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Jack blood, your radio gun, saying be bold, and

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<v Speaker 2>mighty forces will come to your aid.