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Discover the dark side of human nature with 32 00:01:46.319 --> 00:01:49.439 Blood on the Tracks. This true crime book takes you 33 00:01:49.519 --> 00:01:52.719 on a journey through the most heinous murder cases in history, 34 00:01:53.239 --> 00:01:57.319 including unsolved mysteries that will leave you wondering. Each story 35 00:01:57.480 --> 00:02:01.280 is expertly researched and crafted to provide a captivating account 36 00:02:01.400 --> 00:02:03.959 of the events leading up to the crime and the 37 00:02:04.079 --> 00:02:09.000 investigation that followed. From the infamous Thanksgiving massacre to the 38 00:02:09.080 --> 00:02:12.240 shocking case of the vanishing bride and groom to the 39 00:02:12.439 --> 00:02:17.000 unbelievable story of a dominatrix center doppelganger. Blood on the 40 00:02:17.159 --> 00:02:21.240 Tracks leaves no stone unturned. As you turn each page, 41 00:02:21.400 --> 00:02:24.240 you'll feel the tension and suspense build as you try 42 00:02:24.280 --> 00:02:27.960 to piece together the clues and solve the case alongside 43 00:02:28.240 --> 00:02:32.319 the investigators. Don't miss out on this captivating journey through 44 00:02:32.400 --> 00:02:35.400 the world of murder and mystery. The book that we're 45 00:02:35.439 --> 00:02:38.759 featuring this evening is Blood on the Tracks, Real life 46 00:02:38.879 --> 00:02:42.800 tales of murder and Mystery with my special guests, journalist 47 00:02:42.879 --> 00:02:45.919 and author Rod Cackley. Welcome back to the program, and 48 00:02:46.039 --> 00:02:49.039 thank you very much for this interview, Rod Cackley. 49 00:02:48.759 --> 00:02:51.039 Bie, Dan, thanks a lot for having me. I appreciate it. 50 00:02:51.360 --> 00:02:54.159 Welcome back. Thank you so much for this interview for 51 00:02:54.280 --> 00:02:57.240 this new edition Blood on the Tracks. First off, and 52 00:02:57.400 --> 00:02:59.960 in the introduction, we talked about that this true crime 53 00:03:00.120 --> 00:03:03.000 book takes us on a journey through the most heinous 54 00:03:03.120 --> 00:03:06.800 murder cases in history, including unsolved mysteries that will leave 55 00:03:06.840 --> 00:03:09.520 you wondering. I might seem obvious, but what was the 56 00:03:09.599 --> 00:03:12.919 criteria for this book and what are some just a 57 00:03:13.000 --> 00:03:15.800 couple of the infamous murderers that are featured. 58 00:03:16.199 --> 00:03:18.400 Well, I think, Dan, what I was really looking at. 59 00:03:18.479 --> 00:03:22.080 Here are stories of murder that could happen to you. 60 00:03:22.479 --> 00:03:25.960 Quite honestly, you brush up in this book against crimes 61 00:03:26.000 --> 00:03:28.360 that could happen to you or someone you love that 62 00:03:28.439 --> 00:03:31.199 could happen in your neighborhood. Like the first one we 63 00:03:31.280 --> 00:03:33.960 were going to talk about, the murder of Ashley Wadsworth, 64 00:03:34.120 --> 00:03:36.560 is the story of a young girl who goes to 65 00:03:36.879 --> 00:03:40.840 England to meet the man she fell in love with online. 66 00:03:41.240 --> 00:03:44.520 And another thing is usually the killers in these stories, 67 00:03:44.599 --> 00:03:48.560 the criminals, they're first timers. Okay, these are not people 68 00:03:48.800 --> 00:03:51.639 for the most part, who have killed before, or maybe 69 00:03:51.759 --> 00:03:55.280 have not even committed a serious crime before, certainly not 70 00:03:55.360 --> 00:03:57.879 a felony. We do look at others who are serial 71 00:03:58.000 --> 00:04:02.000 killers in this book, but all stories of crimes that 72 00:04:02.080 --> 00:04:03.759 could happen to you or someone you love. 73 00:04:04.120 --> 00:04:07.599 Let's talk about the murder of Ashley Wadsworth for the 74 00:04:07.719 --> 00:04:12.120 very first story. How you say so not involving infamous 75 00:04:12.479 --> 00:04:16.319 serial killers whatsoever. And you talk about this Ashley Wadsworth 76 00:04:16.439 --> 00:04:20.040 from Vernon, British Columbia, Canada. And they had met when 77 00:04:20.160 --> 00:04:22.959 she was twelve and he was fifteen and just a 78 00:04:23.519 --> 00:04:28.399 platonic relationship online. He lived in Essex County in England 79 00:04:28.519 --> 00:04:31.160 and she lived in Vernon, b C. Like I had mentioned, 80 00:04:31.600 --> 00:04:34.600 and so they had this online relationship. Tell us at 81 00:04:34.639 --> 00:04:39.439 what point this relationship changes and as as far as 82 00:04:39.639 --> 00:04:42.959 a trip that she is going to go and venture 83 00:04:43.040 --> 00:04:45.079 on to England to meet Jack. Simple. 84 00:04:45.439 --> 00:04:48.639 When she turned nineteen, Dan Ashley got a six month 85 00:04:48.800 --> 00:04:51.720 visa to meet Jack in person. She flew from Canada 86 00:04:51.879 --> 00:04:55.399 to England. This happened during her gap year, and at 87 00:04:55.480 --> 00:04:59.399 first it was just as amazing as idyllic as she 88 00:04:59.480 --> 00:05:02.000 could have. This is right out of a storybook to 89 00:05:02.040 --> 00:05:06.720 begin with. But then Jack a guy who's a big guy, 90 00:05:07.199 --> 00:05:09.839 one of the thick necked kind of guys. Big shoulders. 91 00:05:09.879 --> 00:05:12.079 I mean, the shoulders are so big you almost have 92 00:05:12.199 --> 00:05:14.839 to look at him one at a time. Okay, heavily 93 00:05:14.920 --> 00:05:19.399 tattooed arm. She sent some pictures back online to her 94 00:05:19.439 --> 00:05:22.399 friends and family in Canada that showed she and Jack 95 00:05:22.480 --> 00:05:26.720 were having a great time. But quickly everything goes wrong. 96 00:05:27.360 --> 00:05:31.480 Jack turns violent, she lashes out at Ashley. Then Ashley 97 00:05:31.560 --> 00:05:36.240 starts sending messages back home, writing in code because Jack 98 00:05:36.399 --> 00:05:40.120 is monitoring everything. She writes, everything, she texts and tweets 99 00:05:40.240 --> 00:05:43.079 back home. He's monitoring all of it. So he's a 100 00:05:43.240 --> 00:05:47.439 very controlling individual. Now he's become very controlling. He's psychologically, 101 00:05:47.600 --> 00:05:51.120 mentally and even physically abusive toward Ashley. She's on a 102 00:05:51.199 --> 00:05:53.639 six month visa. She has no way to go at home. 103 00:05:53.800 --> 00:05:56.720 He's got her tickets home. She can't just fly back, 104 00:05:56.959 --> 00:05:58.800 so she's got to live this out. She's got to 105 00:05:58.839 --> 00:05:59.920 get through this somehow. 106 00:06:00.279 --> 00:06:03.600 He also resorts to she had made some friends while 107 00:06:03.720 --> 00:06:06.360 she was on this brief trip, and now this trip 108 00:06:06.560 --> 00:06:08.920 was going to be cut short. She was planning to 109 00:06:09.160 --> 00:06:11.959 stay till April, but now she was making plans to 110 00:06:12.240 --> 00:06:14.519 cut this trip short, and she was going to leave 111 00:06:14.560 --> 00:06:17.959 February third. But in the interim, she also was sending 112 00:06:18.040 --> 00:06:21.199 messages to friends she had met in England to warn 113 00:06:21.279 --> 00:06:24.319 them to try to get them to contact police because 114 00:06:24.360 --> 00:06:27.959 she was afraid of Jack and afraid of this impending 115 00:06:28.160 --> 00:06:30.279 leading sooner than she had planned. 116 00:06:30.759 --> 00:06:32.759 Yeah, two days before she was going to go home 117 00:06:32.800 --> 00:06:35.959 on the third. On the first, February one, twenty twenty two, 118 00:06:36.399 --> 00:06:39.040 Ashley walks to a neighbor's house, knocks at the door, 119 00:06:39.519 --> 00:06:42.160 and as soon as the door opens, Ashley tells the 120 00:06:42.240 --> 00:06:45.319 person inside that she's afraid Jack is going to kill her. 121 00:06:45.480 --> 00:06:48.279 The neighbor, of course, was concerned to walk Ashley back 122 00:06:48.319 --> 00:06:51.800 to Jack's apartment, even though that Ashley said she was 123 00:06:51.879 --> 00:06:53.800 afraid Jack is going to kill her. Then go back 124 00:06:53.839 --> 00:06:57.040 to Jack's apartment, and there Jack assures the neighbor that 125 00:06:57.160 --> 00:07:00.160 he and Ashley had simply had a lover's quarrel. Everything's 126 00:07:00.199 --> 00:07:02.360 okay and there was nobody and she was not in 127 00:07:02.480 --> 00:07:06.959 danger at all. Well, then Ashley grabs Jack's Facebook account 128 00:07:07.319 --> 00:07:10.759 to send messages back home, or rather to people she'd 129 00:07:10.800 --> 00:07:13.399 met in England and pleading for their help. He wanted 130 00:07:13.480 --> 00:07:16.399 them to dial nine nine nine, the number four police 131 00:07:16.439 --> 00:07:19.759 assistants in England. A couple of the friends in Essex. 132 00:07:19.920 --> 00:07:22.920 They come to Jack's apartment to check on Ashley. They 133 00:07:23.000 --> 00:07:25.439 knock on the door, but the door does not open, 134 00:07:25.600 --> 00:07:29.680 so they called nine nine nine four police assistance. Meanwhile, 135 00:07:29.920 --> 00:07:32.639 a fight breaks out in the apartment. Neighbors can hear 136 00:07:32.720 --> 00:07:35.639 the sounds of this horrendous fight and they too start 137 00:07:35.720 --> 00:07:39.160 calling nine nine nine police arrive. Jack won't let them 138 00:07:39.199 --> 00:07:42.199 in the apartment. He refuses to even answer the door. 139 00:07:42.720 --> 00:07:45.560 The police officers are forced to use a battering ram 140 00:07:45.680 --> 00:07:46.439 to get inside. 141 00:07:46.600 --> 00:07:49.879 Yeah, Well, they use a battering ram and they find 142 00:07:50.240 --> 00:07:52.680 Jack alive, but Ashley dead. 143 00:07:53.040 --> 00:07:56.360 Ashley's dead. She's in bed, laying in the bed Assex 144 00:07:56.439 --> 00:07:59.519 police talk to Jack at the time when they broke in. 145 00:08:00.240 --> 00:08:03.120 They find Ashley dead, they find Jack alive. But what's 146 00:08:03.199 --> 00:08:06.399 Jack doing. He's on a FaceTime Paul to his sister, 147 00:08:06.639 --> 00:08:09.720 showing her the body. Credible, He's showing Ashley's body on 148 00:08:09.839 --> 00:08:12.360 FaceTime to his sister. And as there ought is a 149 00:08:12.439 --> 00:08:17.160 god awful, bloody mess. Ashley was stabbed ninety times. The 150 00:08:17.240 --> 00:08:21.439 autompsy would show Ashley suffered stab wounds to her stomach, liver, lungs, 151 00:08:21.600 --> 00:08:25.000 and heart. Her face, neck, legs, and arms were bruised. 152 00:08:25.800 --> 00:08:29.759 Jack immediately, you know, Jack offers no explanation to the 153 00:08:29.800 --> 00:08:33.759 police except to say, I'm sorry. I strangled her and 154 00:08:33.919 --> 00:08:36.120 I stabbed her. I went psychotic. 155 00:08:36.480 --> 00:08:42.200 Yeah, incredible, no explanation whatsoever. Let's talk about another extraordinary tale, 156 00:08:42.600 --> 00:08:46.039 the murder of Sidney Sutherland. And this is August eighteenth, 157 00:08:46.279 --> 00:08:50.559 twenty twenty Jackson County, Arkansas, a place called Tuckerman, and 158 00:08:50.720 --> 00:08:53.440 this is Sydney. She did this. Has come back from 159 00:08:53.519 --> 00:08:56.519 a little I guess, a little vacation, little trip her 160 00:08:56.559 --> 00:08:59.480 and her family. And Sidney is a dedicated runner and 161 00:08:59.519 --> 00:09:02.799 decides to go for a run down this country road 162 00:09:03.159 --> 00:09:05.919 forty one. He's a twenty five year old. And then 163 00:09:05.960 --> 00:09:09.519 you write about Meanwhile, a guy named Quake Lillowin is 164 00:09:09.639 --> 00:09:13.080 also on Jackson County Road number forty one. He's twenty 165 00:09:13.120 --> 00:09:15.840 eight years old. Tell us about this intersection of these 166 00:09:15.919 --> 00:09:18.759 two people. They had gone to the same little high school. 167 00:09:18.960 --> 00:09:21.080 They sort of knew each other, but not very well. 168 00:09:21.480 --> 00:09:24.639 Tell us what happens that one day on Jackson County 169 00:09:24.759 --> 00:09:25.799 Road for forty one. 170 00:09:26.000 --> 00:09:28.919 Yeah, Tuckerman is one of those small towns where everybody 171 00:09:29.000 --> 00:09:31.840 knows a little bit about everybody else. So they knew 172 00:09:31.840 --> 00:09:34.159 each other. They were familiar with each other. They had 173 00:09:34.200 --> 00:09:36.039 been in the same high school at the same time, 174 00:09:36.559 --> 00:09:39.759 but they weren't really close. However, as we'll find out, 175 00:09:39.919 --> 00:09:42.480 Wake wanted to be a lot closer to Sydney than 176 00:09:42.559 --> 00:09:45.279 Sydney ever imagined him to be. Now, these two, their 177 00:09:45.399 --> 00:09:47.919 lives are not going on a parallel course, even though 178 00:09:48.000 --> 00:09:49.639 they live in the same town and they're about the 179 00:09:49.679 --> 00:09:53.440 same age. Quake is working for his family's business. They 180 00:09:53.559 --> 00:09:57.519 owned rice fields, and rice fields are very big in Arkansas. 181 00:09:57.960 --> 00:10:01.679 His whole day involves driving around in a GMC pickup 182 00:10:01.759 --> 00:10:05.799 trucks checking the rice farms his family's rice farm in Arkansas, 183 00:10:06.240 --> 00:10:08.399 checking the wells and the rice field. So that's what 184 00:10:08.519 --> 00:10:11.679 he's doing on County Road forty one. Now, Sydney is 185 00:10:11.759 --> 00:10:14.679 about to begin the second chapter of her life. She's 186 00:10:14.879 --> 00:10:18.039 just passed her boards and is now a registered nurse 187 00:10:18.080 --> 00:10:21.159 at Unity Harris Medical Center. So she's going off in 188 00:10:21.240 --> 00:10:24.279 a different path, of professional path, if you will, and 189 00:10:24.399 --> 00:10:27.279 she's going out for something she does every day. She's 190 00:10:27.360 --> 00:10:29.840 going to run on Jackson County Road forty one. 191 00:10:30.279 --> 00:10:30.360 Now. 192 00:10:30.440 --> 00:10:32.399 As you said, she and her family just got back 193 00:10:32.440 --> 00:10:35.879 from a vacation in Florida and they still had a 194 00:10:35.960 --> 00:10:40.639 cargo unpack and laundry to do. Her mom, Maggie, begged 195 00:10:40.720 --> 00:10:43.639 Sydney not to run this day for some reason. She said, 196 00:10:43.679 --> 00:10:46.120 we've been gone, you need to rest. You just did 197 00:10:46.159 --> 00:10:48.639 an hour long hard workout. She worked out with a 198 00:10:48.679 --> 00:10:52.039 train or too. She's very physically involved. But Sydney would 199 00:10:52.120 --> 00:10:54.600 not change her mind. She would not listen to her mom. 200 00:10:54.759 --> 00:10:58.000 She went out for this run because, as Sydney put it, 201 00:10:58.480 --> 00:11:01.840 it just releases me. So she's on County Road forty 202 00:11:01.919 --> 00:11:05.360 one running. Quake is on County Road forty one driving 203 00:11:05.600 --> 00:11:08.799 his pickup truck. While Sidney was a high school cheerleader, 204 00:11:08.960 --> 00:11:12.919 Blonde Beautiful Quake was one of those middle of the 205 00:11:13.039 --> 00:11:16.919 road see student kids, but doesn't attract a lot of attention, 206 00:11:17.120 --> 00:11:20.559 either good nor bad. So they've got that too. Quake's 207 00:11:20.759 --> 00:11:24.080 mother and father divorced when he was young. She remarried. 208 00:11:24.399 --> 00:11:27.279 He is close to his stepfather, a real father figure 209 00:11:27.360 --> 00:11:30.559 in his life. No history of violence. There's another thing 210 00:11:30.600 --> 00:11:32.720 I was talking about. With most of the criminals in 211 00:11:32.759 --> 00:11:35.759 this book, I put together, he has no history of violence. 212 00:11:35.840 --> 00:11:37.879 One fight at junior high, but that's kind of you know, 213 00:11:38.000 --> 00:11:40.639 that could be typical. Got through high school without any 214 00:11:40.759 --> 00:11:44.960 serious problems. So now he and Sydney are going to intersect. 215 00:11:45.000 --> 00:11:49.279 Their lives will intersect County Road forty one. He sees 216 00:11:49.320 --> 00:11:53.279 her running. He recognizes her immediately. He passes Sydney. They 217 00:11:53.320 --> 00:11:55.960 were Facebook friends for a while, so they know each other, 218 00:11:56.120 --> 00:11:59.039 but they're not close howls or anything. He turns his 219 00:11:59.159 --> 00:12:02.240 truck around after passing her while she's jogging on the 220 00:12:02.279 --> 00:12:06.120 County Road forty one. He drives back towards her, but 221 00:12:06.279 --> 00:12:08.440 then there's a cloud of dust that kicks up and 222 00:12:08.559 --> 00:12:12.000 he can't see Sydney anymore. She disappears. Quake feels the 223 00:12:12.120 --> 00:12:14.480 impact he hits her. I don't know if you've very 224 00:12:14.559 --> 00:12:16.399 hit a deer on the road, but it's quite similar 225 00:12:16.440 --> 00:12:20.759 to that, I guess. Quake kicks Sydney with his pickup truck. He, though, 226 00:12:20.919 --> 00:12:23.639 is not sure what happens. Of course, he's hoping that 227 00:12:23.879 --> 00:12:26.480 the worst hasn't happened. He gets out of his truck 228 00:12:26.519 --> 00:12:30.440 to investigate, and he finds Sydney. He kneels down beside 229 00:12:30.480 --> 00:12:33.559 her broken body, asking if she's okay. She does not 230 00:12:33.759 --> 00:12:37.159 respond or Quake freaks out. He's out of his mind again. 231 00:12:37.360 --> 00:12:39.759 Nothing like this has ever happened to him, And what's 232 00:12:39.799 --> 00:12:42.200 he do? Does he run to a farmhouse for help, 233 00:12:42.279 --> 00:12:44.399 maybe grab his phone and call ninety one one? 234 00:12:44.720 --> 00:12:45.519 No, he does not. 235 00:12:46.159 --> 00:12:49.240 He picks up Sydney's broken body, puts her corpse in 236 00:12:49.320 --> 00:12:51.639 the bed of this pickup truck, and drives off. He's 237 00:12:51.759 --> 00:12:54.960 not looking for medical help. He's sure the woman is dead. 238 00:12:55.159 --> 00:12:59.120 Now what happens? He's still working. He's still on his shift, 239 00:12:59.200 --> 00:13:02.759 so feels compelled to continue his shift. So he finishes 240 00:13:02.799 --> 00:13:04.960 his shift, and then he goes home to a stepfather's 241 00:13:05.000 --> 00:13:06.120 house and has dinner. 242 00:13:06.320 --> 00:13:08.320 No, actually he goes to his house to have dinner. 243 00:13:08.399 --> 00:13:10.399 He goes to his family's home. He and his wife 244 00:13:10.440 --> 00:13:13.559 and her kids, who how he treats as his own. Now, 245 00:13:13.679 --> 00:13:17.039 Quake now is hoping that if he ignores this, if 246 00:13:17.080 --> 00:13:20.840 he forgets about it, it will be like it never happened. Okay. 247 00:13:21.320 --> 00:13:23.840 So he takes the body, and as we write in 248 00:13:23.919 --> 00:13:26.919 the book, he undresses the corpse and messes around with 249 00:13:27.080 --> 00:13:29.879 it before burying it in a shower grave. But now 250 00:13:29.960 --> 00:13:32.480 he's hoping that if he can forget about all this, 251 00:13:33.000 --> 00:13:35.159 that it will never have happened. Okay. So he goes 252 00:13:35.240 --> 00:13:38.559 home like nothing special is going on. He sits down 253 00:13:38.600 --> 00:13:41.679 with his wife and step kids and his parents home 254 00:13:42.440 --> 00:13:45.519 and where he does live with his parents and his 255 00:13:45.600 --> 00:13:49.279 step parents, as he said, and cleans up, takes a shower, 256 00:13:49.440 --> 00:13:53.360 has dinner, and then after they finish, his father calls. 257 00:13:53.919 --> 00:13:57.279 His father says, you know everybody's talking about Sidney Sutherland. 258 00:13:57.399 --> 00:14:00.440 She's disappeared. Have you seen her? If you've heard she 259 00:14:00.600 --> 00:14:04.600 was missing, did you know that she disappeared? And Quake says, 260 00:14:04.919 --> 00:14:07.519 I have not heard the stories, but I did see 261 00:14:07.559 --> 00:14:10.000 Sydney running on County Road forty one. It looked like 262 00:14:10.080 --> 00:14:13.960 she was going home. After that, he goes to bed again. 263 00:14:14.039 --> 00:14:16.399 He's going His plan is that he's going to pretend 264 00:14:16.559 --> 00:14:17.519 that this didn't happen. 265 00:14:18.000 --> 00:14:26.039 Now you write that Quake. Meanwhile, Sidney's boyfriend calls Sydney's mother, Maggie, 266 00:14:26.279 --> 00:14:29.039 and he's in concern that she's not returning his calls, 267 00:14:29.120 --> 00:14:31.759 and Maggie calls Sydney and there's a voicemail, and the 268 00:14:31.840 --> 00:14:34.799 mother knows that something is wrong. Around seven pm, she 269 00:14:34.919 --> 00:14:38.879 calls police, and you write that news of the disappearance 270 00:14:38.879 --> 00:14:43.960 spreads quickly across northeast Arkansas and detectives start investigating. Tell 271 00:14:44.080 --> 00:14:48.360 us about how the parents get involved in doubting their 272 00:14:48.440 --> 00:14:51.240 son in the first place, and that how that leads 273 00:14:51.320 --> 00:14:54.879 to the word getting out that he had actually seen 274 00:14:55.000 --> 00:14:58.240 Sydney that day running and which led to more and 275 00:14:58.360 --> 00:14:59.000 more questions. 276 00:14:59.200 --> 00:15:01.600 Yeah, there is, as he said, no sign of Sydney. 277 00:15:01.679 --> 00:15:04.679 This is August twentieth. Now, Sam, her boyfriend, gets a 278 00:15:04.759 --> 00:15:06.919 call from a friend. He tells him that Quake might 279 00:15:07.039 --> 00:15:09.879 know something. The friend says, Quake told me he saw 280 00:15:10.000 --> 00:15:13.480 Sydney running south on County Road forty one two days ago, 281 00:15:13.600 --> 00:15:15.919 like she was heading home. And if that's true, it 282 00:15:16.080 --> 00:15:18.879 means Quake was the last one to see Sydney alive, 283 00:15:19.000 --> 00:15:22.360 or last one to see Sydney. Nobody now knows she's 284 00:15:22.440 --> 00:15:25.919 dead yet, except for Quake. They go out. The troopers 285 00:15:26.000 --> 00:15:29.720 go out to the field where to search. They find 286 00:15:29.799 --> 00:15:32.159 Sydney's stone in a field about a mile from the 287 00:15:32.200 --> 00:15:35.960 Sutherland family home. Unfortunately, that's the only good news today. 288 00:15:36.000 --> 00:15:40.679 If ground search shows nothing, they've exhausted all of their leads. Well, 289 00:15:41.159 --> 00:15:44.480 Maggie and her friends turn out. Hundreds of people actually 290 00:15:44.559 --> 00:15:47.399 turn out to search for Sydney. They find nothing, But 291 00:15:47.519 --> 00:15:50.279 you know what happens when they're searching, Maggie looks over 292 00:15:50.399 --> 00:15:54.120 and sees Quake standing by a tree. Maggie knows something's off. 293 00:15:54.159 --> 00:15:56.840 It's like he's lurking there. She goes over to talk 294 00:15:56.919 --> 00:16:01.320 to him and says, and she knows that Sam's friend 295 00:16:01.440 --> 00:16:03.480 said that Quake might have been the last person to 296 00:16:03.559 --> 00:16:06.960 see Sydney the day she disappeared. And Maggie asks Quake 297 00:16:07.000 --> 00:16:09.679 if she can tell him, if he can tell her anything, 298 00:16:10.120 --> 00:16:13.639 like what was Sidney doing? Did you meet anybody? Was 299 00:16:13.759 --> 00:16:16.440 she with anyone? Quake said no, she was just running. 300 00:16:16.879 --> 00:16:19.519 But you didn't see her, right, Maggie says, And Quake 301 00:16:19.600 --> 00:16:22.360 doesn't speak, but he just nods to indicate the answer 302 00:16:22.519 --> 00:16:25.360 is yes. And he just says all she was doing 303 00:16:25.840 --> 00:16:28.720 was running. Well, then Maggie can't think of anything else 304 00:16:28.799 --> 00:16:31.960 to say, but at the same time, she doesn't believe 305 00:16:32.039 --> 00:16:34.759 Quake is telling her the truth. She's about to ask 306 00:16:34.840 --> 00:16:38.000 one more question. Quake steps forward. Now, Quake is a 307 00:16:38.159 --> 00:16:38.679 very big. 308 00:16:38.639 --> 00:16:39.320 Guy, all right. 309 00:16:39.639 --> 00:16:42.320 He's like well over six feet tall. He's like three 310 00:16:42.399 --> 00:16:45.480 hundred pounds. He's a big dude. He walks up and 311 00:16:45.679 --> 00:16:48.720 gives Maggie a hug. It's not like a full embrace. 312 00:16:48.759 --> 00:16:52.000 It's just like a quick, embarrassed squeeze, like two strangers, 313 00:16:52.080 --> 00:16:54.159 perhaps two people who haven't seen each other in a 314 00:16:54.240 --> 00:16:57.600 long time. And that really flips Maggie out. She just 315 00:16:57.720 --> 00:17:00.519 like is shivering as Quake walks away. She just knows 316 00:17:00.639 --> 00:17:03.879 something is going on here involving Quake. Now, Quake's father, 317 00:17:04.000 --> 00:17:06.680 as you said, his father gets suspicious because he knows 318 00:17:06.759 --> 00:17:09.200 Quake was driving on the road where Sydney was last scene. 319 00:17:09.640 --> 00:17:12.359 And again he asks Quake if he knows anything about 320 00:17:12.400 --> 00:17:15.759 what happened. And Quake's mother is suspicious too. So the 321 00:17:15.839 --> 00:17:18.200 first thing they do is Quake and his father go 322 00:17:18.279 --> 00:17:21.480 to the Arkansas State Police Post to talk to detectives 323 00:17:21.519 --> 00:17:24.200 there and they give troopers permission to search the truck. 324 00:17:24.279 --> 00:17:26.680 They have no lawyer now, they just give him permission, 325 00:17:26.839 --> 00:17:30.400 the troopers rather permission to search the truck. Both Quake's 326 00:17:30.440 --> 00:17:32.640 father and mother are suspicious at this time. 327 00:17:32.720 --> 00:17:35.599 As you said, the forensic team goes to work. He 328 00:17:35.680 --> 00:17:39.400 gives permission to search the vehicle. So and is what 329 00:17:39.559 --> 00:17:43.160 do they find? The forensic team when they search that vehicle. 330 00:17:43.039 --> 00:17:45.559 They find blood in the cracks of the truck's tailgate, 331 00:17:45.759 --> 00:17:47.839 and they find a dent in the front of the 332 00:17:47.960 --> 00:17:51.519 twenty nineteen GMC pickup truck. The blood in the tailgate 333 00:17:51.640 --> 00:17:53.720 that's where he put her body. That's where he put 334 00:17:53.759 --> 00:17:56.240 Sydney's body after he picked her up off the road. 335 00:17:56.599 --> 00:17:58.440 So that's where the blood comes from. And the dent 336 00:17:58.599 --> 00:18:02.720 obviously makes them suspicios as well. And then Crestin Hutton, 337 00:18:02.759 --> 00:18:05.400 who's a senior special agent on this from the Arkansas 338 00:18:05.480 --> 00:18:08.039 State Police, he takes a look at Quigg's phone and 339 00:18:08.119 --> 00:18:11.000 Quake it hands it over to him. Again, no lawyer, president, right, 340 00:18:11.160 --> 00:18:13.000 That's another thing in this book. You'll find that a 341 00:18:13.039 --> 00:18:15.319 lot of these the criminals in this they don't have 342 00:18:15.559 --> 00:18:18.839 lawyers with them. They don't Hutton tabs the Life three 343 00:18:18.960 --> 00:18:22.640 sixty phone app on Quig's phone. He traces Quigg's movements 344 00:18:22.680 --> 00:18:26.200 on the nineteenth, and that shows that he and Sidney 345 00:18:26.319 --> 00:18:29.200 were very close together according to what Sidney's phone showed. 346 00:18:29.400 --> 00:18:32.680 There's also the app leads them very close to the 347 00:18:32.759 --> 00:18:35.160 point a few yards from where they'll find her corpse 348 00:18:35.200 --> 00:18:38.440 buried in the field. But at this shallow gravesite troopers 349 00:18:38.720 --> 00:18:41.880 see footprints from the same kinds of boots that he 350 00:18:41.960 --> 00:18:44.119 would wear at work and that he was wearing at 351 00:18:44.160 --> 00:18:44.480 the time. 352 00:18:44.640 --> 00:18:47.720 Yeah, right, exactly, He's actually wearing the same boot still, 353 00:18:47.880 --> 00:18:51.440 so again, he's obviously not a hard and criminal who 354 00:18:51.519 --> 00:18:54.119 knows how to beat the system. They read him as 355 00:18:54.200 --> 00:18:57.079 Miranda writes. The app leads them to just a few 356 00:18:57.160 --> 00:19:00.359 yards from where they will find Sidney's corps eventually buried 357 00:19:00.400 --> 00:19:02.799 in the field. They read him as Miranda writes. He 358 00:19:02.960 --> 00:19:06.240 can't handle the guilt. He confesses it all. He says 359 00:19:06.279 --> 00:19:08.200 it was all just a blur. I didn't kill her 360 00:19:08.240 --> 00:19:11.000 on purpose. He's asked, why didn't you call nine to 361 00:19:11.000 --> 00:19:14.160 one one. Quaid says that I don't know. I was 362 00:19:14.400 --> 00:19:14.960 just scared. 363 00:19:15.200 --> 00:19:17.960 You have the idea too, that at the same time, 364 00:19:18.279 --> 00:19:22.079 Sam and Maggie worrying about their daughter. In a group 365 00:19:22.200 --> 00:19:26.240 of searchers searching for their daughter. Sam gets a call 366 00:19:26.359 --> 00:19:29.000 from Sheriff Lucas. Doesn't he yes. 367 00:19:29.279 --> 00:19:31.799 Sheriff Lucas calls with one of the toughest calls he's 368 00:19:31.799 --> 00:19:34.000 ever had to make. As you said, Maggie, Sam, and 369 00:19:34.119 --> 00:19:36.720 hundreds of people, they're back on County Road forty one 370 00:19:37.240 --> 00:19:39.920 this morning. They're on their hands and knees, literally crawling 371 00:19:40.079 --> 00:19:43.359 looking for clues that might show that Sidney was at 372 00:19:43.440 --> 00:19:47.079 least there. One of the women there, one of the friends, says, 373 00:19:47.559 --> 00:19:50.519 explains it explains the hundreds of people who showed up 374 00:19:50.559 --> 00:19:53.319 by saying Jackson County is just this way. We just 375 00:19:53.480 --> 00:19:55.799 want her to be safe, referring to Sydney, of course, 376 00:19:55.880 --> 00:19:59.440 and to be found. And finally Maggie shouts, I have 377 00:19:59.640 --> 00:20:02.160 a bea from a necklace. He finds a bead from 378 00:20:02.200 --> 00:20:04.559 the necklace that she knows Sidney was wearing, so she 379 00:20:04.720 --> 00:20:07.359 knows Sidney had been in that area. But then, as 380 00:20:07.400 --> 00:20:11.400 he said, Sheriff Lucas calls Sam's phone, and Lucas won't 381 00:20:11.440 --> 00:20:14.319 tell him why they need to talk. He just says, Sam, 382 00:20:14.480 --> 00:20:17.079 you and Maggie the whole family. Please get everyone together, 383 00:20:17.200 --> 00:20:19.319 we need to talk. So there they have to get 384 00:20:19.359 --> 00:20:22.039 into Sam's car and they drive to the Jackson County 385 00:20:22.079 --> 00:20:25.039 Sheriff's office, which had to be the longest, most difficult 386 00:20:25.119 --> 00:20:28.640 drive of Sam's life. He knows in his heart what 387 00:20:28.759 --> 00:20:31.599 they're going to hear. There's only one reason that Sheriff 388 00:20:31.759 --> 00:20:34.559 Lucas would be calling them. If he'd found Sydney alive, 389 00:20:34.680 --> 00:20:37.720 he would have shouted that over the phone, but he didn't. 390 00:20:37.960 --> 00:20:40.920 So they know. They know what Sheriff Lucas is going 391 00:20:41.000 --> 00:20:42.519 to tell them, but they have to drive to his 392 00:20:42.640 --> 00:20:45.400 office to hear it. And there Sheriff Lucas does perform 393 00:20:45.480 --> 00:20:49.160 the sad duty of explaining that Sydney has been found dead. 394 00:20:49.559 --> 00:20:53.839 He does psych evaluation, but he's found fortunately fit to 395 00:20:53.960 --> 00:20:56.640 stand trial. And then he is, as you write, he 396 00:20:56.799 --> 00:21:01.359 is sentenced to life in prison without parole. And he 397 00:21:01.480 --> 00:21:03.200 said he will die in prison. 398 00:21:03.279 --> 00:21:06.279 Right essentially, Yeah, And then you write about the victims 399 00:21:06.319 --> 00:21:10.319 statements and overpass on US sixty seven in Jackson County 400 00:21:10.519 --> 00:21:13.119 will be named in honor of Sydney Sutherland. 401 00:21:13.400 --> 00:21:16.519