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<v Speaker 2>All right, welcome back to gun Talk. I'm your guest host,

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<v Speaker 2>Ryan Gresham filling in for Thomas. Week is on the

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<v Speaker 2>road and we are doing the show from gun Talk headquarters,

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<v Speaker 2>actually so down here in South Louisiana at Range Ready Studios.

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<v Speaker 2>Range Ready Studios is the part of this place that

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<v Speaker 2>puts on events. We put on classes that are open

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<v Speaker 2>to the public. Classes. Yep, you can come here. You

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<v Speaker 2>can train with us. You can learn to shoot pistols

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<v Speaker 2>and rifles and a bunch of other stuff and get

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<v Speaker 2>real proficient with it with our buddy Chris Serina, who

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<v Speaker 2>runs the training program. But we also put on media events.

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<v Speaker 2>We put on product launches. Obviously, you guys know, we

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<v Speaker 2>work with so many different companies within the world of guns,

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<v Speaker 2>and we have a bunch of them here for an

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<v Speaker 2>event this week. It's called plink Up Palooza, which really

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<v Speaker 2>centers around rim fires. So twenty two's and even seventeen

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<v Speaker 2>hm rs and some you know some other stuff. Twenty

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<v Speaker 2>two mags. Rim fires is where, for a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>us where you start your shooting journey. You learn to

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<v Speaker 2>shoot on those rim fires because they're low recoil, they're accurate,

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<v Speaker 2>they're fun to shoot, they're low noise. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>for a lot of us, is we come back, we

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<v Speaker 2>circle back to those rim fires because they're just there's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of it's where we started. Since JJ, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>bring you in because we've got the man, the myth,

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<v Speaker 2>the legend, and you guys listening may not realize, but

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<v Speaker 2>you're you're talking to a legend right now, or listen

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<v Speaker 2>to a legend. JJ. He is communications with Federal Premium YEP,

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<v Speaker 2>which you know. Look, let's be honest. We always say,

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<v Speaker 2>if you work for an AMMO company in the in

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<v Speaker 2>the world of guns, you're everybody's buddy because you've got

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<v Speaker 2>the sauce man you make what makes this stuff happen.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, so I am the communications manager of the PR manager.

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<v Speaker 3>So I work with all the media folks, editors, writers, influencers,

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<v Speaker 3>TV hosts.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, yeah, whatever the heck we are these days YouTubers. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>Federal Premium one of the bigger AMO companies out there. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>you guys really do it all. I mean you do shotshell,

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<v Speaker 2>you do center fire, you do pistol, you do rifle,

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<v Speaker 2>and you do a ton of rim fire.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, So Federal Ammunition, that's that's our name as far

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<v Speaker 3>as our website goes it, it's Federal Premium. But you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the premium category of ammunition actually started in the late seventies,

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<v Speaker 3>but we've always just been federal, Federal cartridge, sure, and

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<v Speaker 3>then Federal ammunition. So we just call ourselves federal, you know. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>But I think one of the biggest things that you

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<v Speaker 3>were hitting on with rim fire is just and why

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<v Speaker 3>I think rimfires is so popular and also you know,

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<v Speaker 3>deserves its own event like plankt Palooza would be just

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<v Speaker 3>how many platforms it's on. I sat in the classroom

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<v Speaker 3>this morning, you know, and people were bringing out ar

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<v Speaker 3>fifteen platforms, pistol platforms. You know, in the past, you

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<v Speaker 3>would have rim fire was always either a bolt gun

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<v Speaker 3>or you know, mostly a rifle. That's why twenty two

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<v Speaker 3>long rifle. But now in the last well ten fifteen years,

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<v Speaker 3>how many platforms, how many different platforms there are? Sure

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<v Speaker 3>that you can shoot it from and also you can buy,

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<v Speaker 3>like for Smith and Wesson, you can buy a handgun

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<v Speaker 3>that's in in twenty two long rifle and then a

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<v Speaker 3>handgun that's in nine millimeters the same handgun. It's this

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<v Speaker 3>chamber of different so you can train, you know, can

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<v Speaker 3>train room fire and then and then carry with center fire.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's why I think rimfire is so is so popular.

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<v Speaker 3>Just how many more platforms there were than when it

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<v Speaker 3>first started, one hundred.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure in Ammo for really, for rim fire, Ammo is

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<v Speaker 2>the heart of this stuff because the variety is wild,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think that it's fair to say that you

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<v Speaker 2>could do a lot more things with this. Amma. You've

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<v Speaker 2>got super Sonic, you've got sub Sonic, you've got shorts,

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<v Speaker 2>you've got you know, ratshot, I guess is one little

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<v Speaker 2>weird category. But there's something in the performance of rim fire,

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<v Speaker 2>and you have to find what your gun likes. Is

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<v Speaker 2>that fair to say?

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<v Speaker 4>Ah?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, definitely if you look at rim fire as a whole,

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<v Speaker 3>That's what's so cool about rimfire is that, well, Ammo,

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<v Speaker 3>in general, there's a cartridge, but then there's all the

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<v Speaker 3>components of the cartridge. Sure, that's how the cartridge is loaded,

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<v Speaker 3>so the different velocities the cartridge is loaded to the

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<v Speaker 3>different bullets. You know, you can have flatnose bullets, you

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<v Speaker 3>can have hallow point bullets, you can have segmenting hallow

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<v Speaker 3>point bullets, you can have coated bullets, and then different

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<v Speaker 3>grain weights. With all that, they're all intended for different purposes.

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<v Speaker 3>And ammunition as a whole is like that, especially center

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<v Speaker 3>fire and handgun, but rim fire, you really see all

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<v Speaker 3>those various differences.

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<v Speaker 2>Changing them can change what you're really doing with.

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<v Speaker 3>It, right, absolutely, absolutely, and so Federal Ammunition was we

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<v Speaker 3>just celebrated, well not just but we celebrated our one

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<v Speaker 3>hundredth anniversary four years ago, so we're one hundred and

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<v Speaker 3>four now. And rim fire came on right away, like

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<v Speaker 3>we started with shotshell and then in nineteen twenty two.

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<v Speaker 3>Rimfire came in nineteen twenty three, so we have been

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<v Speaker 3>producing it for over one hundred years. And a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of those same loads, a lot of the loads like

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<v Speaker 3>you referred to the cbs or the shorts, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the longs and then the long rifle, you know, those different cartridges,

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<v Speaker 3>those were all there and started in nineteen twenty three

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<v Speaker 3>and we are low. Some of the same ones still

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<v Speaker 3>for one hundred years, so I mean we still we

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<v Speaker 3>still have all those a variety. But but for federal

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<v Speaker 3>you really do have you know, your your your base loads,

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<v Speaker 3>you're you're champion seven forty five loads in that kind

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<v Speaker 3>of thing. If you really want to go into the

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<v Speaker 3>huge variety of rim fire and the history of rim fire,

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<v Speaker 3>then that CCI is the rim Fire King. Sure you know,

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<v Speaker 3>we can talk CCI in a different episode if you want.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, absolutely, yeah. CCI kind of a sister company, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>sister companies. Yes, yeah, I mean you guys are definitely

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<v Speaker 2>have the knowledge and the history with rim fire. After

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<v Speaker 2>the break, I want to talk about there's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of new things in the way in talking about projectiles

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<v Speaker 2>being loaded in rim fires that kind of changes the

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<v Speaker 2>way we think about what a rim fire can do.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to talk about that right after this.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, welcome back to gun Talk. I'm your guest host,

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<v Speaker 2>Ryan Gresha. I'm filling in for Tom this week, and

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<v Speaker 2>we are at an event called Plinkapalooza and we're talking

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<v Speaker 2>with a bunch of different companies about rim fires. And

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<v Speaker 2>my guest right now is JJ re Reich from Federal JJ.

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<v Speaker 2>We were talking before the break about, you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>in the old days, even I'm not that old, I guess,

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<v Speaker 2>but just going back a couple decades, when you think

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<v Speaker 2>about shooting twenty two shoot shooting rim fires, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you go, I'll go grab a brick and go out

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<v Speaker 2>there and load it up and shoot it. And I mean, honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>you probably didn't think a whole lot about the bullet.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like, Okay, we're gonna go shoot soup cans,

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<v Speaker 2>or we're gonna go maybe do some hunting, some squirrel hunting

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever. But it was kind of like, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean whatever, it's supersonic or hypersonic or whatever the marketing said.

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<v Speaker 2>But it was kind of just like loaded up and

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<v Speaker 2>go for it. But I feel in the last i

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, five or plus years, there's stuff that I'm like, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>wait a minute, you guys are loading stuff that's self

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<v Speaker 2>defense loads, hunting loads. There's a lot of new changes.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, so the self defense, which at this event we're

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<v Speaker 3>gonna be shooting ballistic gel blocks. That's pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's gonna be amazing.

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<v Speaker 3>They can't we see it. Yeah, So there are some

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<v Speaker 3>people who want to carry twenty two long rifle or

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<v Speaker 3>a twenty two mag and it's either because of strength

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<v Speaker 3>limitations in their hands, or you know, wanting something that's

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<v Speaker 3>more comfortable to shoot things like that. So we wanted

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<v Speaker 3>to give options for that. So our self defense option

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<v Speaker 3>is what's called punch. And so the twenty two bullet

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<v Speaker 3>on that would be a solid bullet. It's a nickel plated,

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<v Speaker 3>solid bullet. It's not going to expand much, but it's

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<v Speaker 3>going to get your penetration. So yeah, so you want

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<v Speaker 3>for any self defense load, you want something that opens

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<v Speaker 3>up or mushroom so to speak, that actually has that

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<v Speaker 3>expansion to create a larger wound channel. And then you

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<v Speaker 3>also want depth to make sure you get into far

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<v Speaker 3>enough into the vitals. You are limited with room fire

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<v Speaker 3>obviously with size, sure, so you can have there's two

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<v Speaker 3>schools of thought there. You either want the expansion or

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<v Speaker 3>you want the penetration depth. So the Federal punch that

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<v Speaker 3>is a hard bullet, nickel plated, that's going to give

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<v Speaker 3>you the penetration. If you want something more of an expansion,

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<v Speaker 3>then you want to go to federal sister company or

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<v Speaker 3>affiliate company CCI and they have something called uppercut and

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<v Speaker 3>that that's a too long rifle that will do the

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, different bullets, different designs, exactly different and different, two

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<v Speaker 2>Is there any idea of what punch does into gelatin?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Okay, So I mean, and people will hear this

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<v Speaker 2>if they're into this, if you carry, like, oh my gosh,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty two is for carrying. But I mean, the fact

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<v Speaker 2>but it is true. Better to have a gun than

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<v Speaker 2>I'd rather you carry that with good amo like punch

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<v Speaker 2>than carry nothing. You know, you're thinking about your loved ones,

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<v Speaker 2>whatever that might be. Like, hey, listen, this is something

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<v Speaker 2>on target. Okay, that's great.

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<v Speaker 3>If it doesn't have the target, it's not going to

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's great.

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<v Speaker 7>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>So our job isn't to help people make that decision.

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<v Speaker 3>Our job is to give them the options and the

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<v Speaker 3>personal defense bullet for that application. If you're varmin hunting

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<v Speaker 3>they say explosive performance. What that means is that bullet

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<v Speaker 3>just break apart. Right, So if you are you know,

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<v Speaker 3>varmint is prairie dog so to speak, or anything that

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<v Speaker 2>And that's really designed to reduce ricochet, right, Well, it's well,

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<v Speaker 2>actually it's it's more designed to to have that deadly

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<v Speaker 3>See on a small avarm, something that you're not going

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<v Speaker 3>And you know if you if you're trying to squirrel

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<v Speaker 2>I told you you got to you got to pick

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<v Speaker 2>the right ambo for the job. Yes, so if.

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<v Speaker 3>You so, if you're squirrel hunting and you picked like

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<v Speaker 3>it's not going to release any of its ballistic potential.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not going to release.

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<v Speaker 2>Chances that you might not harvest that game. You might

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<v Speaker 3>Right, you want something that's going to you know, give

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<v Speaker 3>expands a little bit and kills the squirrel right away,

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<v Speaker 3>just zip through it and squirrel runs away and guns

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<v Speaker 3>with a hole. You know, find it right, So you

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<v Speaker 3>don't want to shoot target ammunition at something that you

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<v Speaker 3>want to you know that you're hunting and you want

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<v Speaker 3>to eat. You don't want to shoot varm and ammunition

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<v Speaker 3>at that because then the whole thing is going to

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<v Speaker 3>be kind of basically exploded explosion.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, did you there's a trend right now in super

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<v Speaker 2>accurate and even sort of long range rim fire, Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>long range twenty two?

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<v Speaker 8>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you guys doing some loads for that type of stuff?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so we you know, we do have some competition

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<v Speaker 3>ammunition that we for pistol, because pistol is a big

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<v Speaker 3>thing for competition. The longer range rifle type of stuff

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<v Speaker 3>we always say are green Tag. So, uh, Standard velocity

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<v Speaker 3>is a rim fire around that has been very popular

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<v Speaker 3>with people who you know, shoot for accuracy, and it's

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<v Speaker 3>the standard velocity. I think it's I feel stupid for

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<v Speaker 3>not knowing off the top of my head, but I

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<v Speaker 3>think it's twelve hundred twelve Okay, your standard velocity. So

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<v Speaker 3>that's the muzzle velocity.

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<v Speaker 2>And then green tag.

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<v Speaker 3>The cool thing about green Tag and I'm talking CCI.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, so with green Tag, basically standard velocity came out

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<v Speaker 3>and then they do a bunch of when you're loading

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<v Speaker 3>velocity spec because you have to hit a certain velocity

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<v Speaker 3>spec to be Sammy speck to be sure, the right sure,

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<v Speaker 3>the right cartridge to be it's out. But anyway, or

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<v Speaker 3>you have your own internal velocity spec specs that you

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<v Speaker 3>want to meet when you're creating the consistency of the

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you have to have consistency, especially when you're talking

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<v Speaker 2>about target shooting in accuracy. I mean because especially in

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<v Speaker 2>the accuracy that's expected from a competitor. Changes in velocity,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, a big deviation can can make the difference.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, absolutely, So Santa velocity is always great. It's got

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<v Speaker 3>a really nice uh range of the specifications that it

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<v Speaker 3>can hit. But green tags are a lot smaller. So

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<v Speaker 3>the specification of hitting green tags is a lot smaller.

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<v Speaker 3>And really when they're loading centatard velocity and they're and

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<v Speaker 3>into that smaller range of of of of specifications. Then

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<v Speaker 3>they were the olden days. They just took this green

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<v Speaker 3>sticker and slapped it on that and then they would

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<v Speaker 3>send it out and so then you'd have your standard

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<v Speaker 3>velocity and then you'd have your standard velocity with the

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<v Speaker 3>green sticker and so then they just started calling a

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<v Speaker 3>green green sticker a green tag, and that's that's how

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<v Speaker 3>green tag came about. But that would be CCI's best

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<v Speaker 3>ammunition for for you know, shooting longer range.

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<v Speaker 2>What about just are there any tips or or or

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<v Speaker 2>maybe perhaps product lines when you're talking about accuracy, because

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<v Speaker 2>I think people think twenty two is okay, we're plinking,

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<v Speaker 2>we're shooting cans or whatever, But like, what if the

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<v Speaker 2>accuracy expectations would you really get down to an accurate

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<v Speaker 2>gun in a in a a good rest. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>what could somebody expect to shoot and maybe what would

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<v Speaker 2>be some good options for them?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean everyone's chasing that you know one minute, you

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<v Speaker 3>know one m o A or that one inch group,

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<v Speaker 3>Like that's even with really non fire too. But rin

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<v Speaker 3>fiber has always been kind of like a fifty yard

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<v Speaker 3>type of thing, but now one hundred yards not not uncommon,

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<v Speaker 3>and even longer it's not uncommon. You know, we talked

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<v Speaker 3>about your standard ammunition, federal ammunition, and you talked about

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<v Speaker 3>the premium ammunition, so premium ammunition. A difference between standard

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<v Speaker 3>and premium is more premium components. So maybe a nickel

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<v Speaker 3>plated case you know, a better copper plated bullet, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>better more consistent powders. You know, more of the premium

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<v Speaker 3>components goes into it goes into the premium line of ammunition.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the same with center fires, the same with with

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<v Speaker 3>with handgun, and it's the same with rim fire. So

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<v Speaker 3>if you are trying to get more accuracy or more consistency,

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<v Speaker 3>then you always want to spend a little bit more

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you think about it. I mean one of

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<v Speaker 2>the biggest sports in the Olympics is shooting, and I

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<v Speaker 2>mean rim fires. That's something that we think about what's

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<v Speaker 2>possible with sure, Yeah, it could be incredibly accurate. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So and Federal's history did help with all of that

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<v Speaker 3>twenty two long rifle in the Olympics really, yes, in

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<v Speaker 3>the nineties and eighties and nineties, I believe, and that's

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<v Speaker 3>how gold medal came about.

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<v Speaker 2>So I wanted you to bring that up because that's

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<v Speaker 2>one that when we're siting in and we're getting all

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<v Speaker 2>this stuff ready. Chris Sarno, who you know, I end

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<v Speaker 2>up tasking him with a lot of this. Yes, he says, well,

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<v Speaker 2>let me see if this gun really shoots and he

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<v Speaker 2>loads that in the gun.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, so you know, we we that's the whole

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<v Speaker 3>eighties nineties with the in the Olympic gold medals that

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<v Speaker 3>we helped to win and that kind of thing. That

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<v Speaker 3>really helped get out room fire and improved and upgraded,

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<v Speaker 3>and it helped with that premium you know, branding for that.

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<v Speaker 3>But again this is for different components, different testing procedures,

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<v Speaker 3>different accuracy specifications with the engineering team all that. So

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<v Speaker 3>it's really cool to be part of that history too.

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<v Speaker 2>It's amazing JJ. So what's your first memory of shooting

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<v Speaker 2>a rim fire?

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<v Speaker 3>First memory of shooting a rim fire? Well, I mean

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<v Speaker 3>for me, it's like that's what we all passed our

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<v Speaker 3>hunter safety test with. Yeah, and we're true twelve, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>so I know, I definitely, I guess. I mean getting

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<v Speaker 3>my hunter Safety certificate when I was twelve was a

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<v Speaker 3>huge deal for me. I remember having to go into

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<v Speaker 2>It's like that big first certification. Yeah, you're you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I think my dad even dropped me off by myself,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's you're in this room full of some kids

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<v Speaker 2>and some adults and you've got this this grown up

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<v Speaker 2>teacher and you're thinking, I got to pay attention because one,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you want to pass it because you want

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to go hunting or whatever. Right, But

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<v Speaker 2>it's just it's a whole lot of fun. JJ, thanks

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<v Speaker 2>for being with us. Is fun, I mean Plinka Palooza.

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<v Speaker 2>We're reinvigorating the fun of rim fires at this event

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<v Speaker 2>and we'll be back with more gun Talk more rim

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<v Speaker 2>fire talk right after this. Hey, welcome back to gun Talk.

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<v Speaker 2>From Voltcourts and Firearms and Volcourts and is for people

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<v Speaker 2>I'm ready to move up to something real special, you're

419
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<v Speaker 2>one of the guys that they think of. So talk

420
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<v Speaker 2>about where did Vulcourtson start and where is it now?

421
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<v Speaker 9>So it started back in like nineteen seventy four. We've

422
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<v Speaker 9>been in business about fifty two years. Tom Volcourson started

423
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<v Speaker 9>at what he started out as just bluing and tinkering

424
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<v Speaker 9>with guns and stocks and upgrading some things on his

425
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<v Speaker 9>friend's stuff, and then he got into actually, believe it

426
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<v Speaker 9>or not, revolvers and he was doing a lot of

427
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<v Speaker 9>revolvers and if like I said, if you ever see

428
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<v Speaker 9>one or find one, I would grab.

429
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<v Speaker 2>It of courts and revolver.

430
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<v Speaker 9>Yes, and uh great, I mean it was they're prestige.

431
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<v Speaker 9>I mean they're they're awesome. Uh So when he got

432
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<v Speaker 9>into that, but then he started messing around with twenty

433
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<v Speaker 9>two's out of just one of his buddies that he

434
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<v Speaker 9>had one and just wasn't working. So he started working

435
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<v Speaker 9>on it.

436
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<v Speaker 7>He got it.

437
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<v Speaker 9>Going and they were like, next thing, you know, another

438
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<v Speaker 9>buddy would drop one off, another buddy would drop one off,

439
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<v Speaker 9>and that's how it just started kind of going. And uh,

440
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<v Speaker 9>it's kind of a funny story I know. Scott tells

441
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<v Speaker 9>me all the time about Tom went over to Brown Els,

442
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<v Speaker 9>which is close by us. It's like two and a

443
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<v Speaker 9>half hours from you.

444
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<v Speaker 2>You guys are in Isoland, Yepka.

445
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<v Speaker 9>And he told I believe it was Frank Brown.

446
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<v Speaker 2>Owl or yeah, probably Frank.

447
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<v Speaker 9>Yeah it was either Frank or even Frank's dad or

448
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<v Speaker 9>something back then, and said, this is what I'm going

449
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<v Speaker 9>to do, and this is my barrel I want to

450
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<v Speaker 9>go with. And they're like, there's no way you're going

451
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<v Speaker 9>to be able to sell that.

452
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<v Speaker 3>For that price.

453
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<v Speaker 9>He's like, well, we're going to try and we've come

454
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<v Speaker 9>along the ways then, So.

455
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<v Speaker 2>What was the what was the first barrel for?

456
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<v Speaker 9>It was just for a ruger, just a standard ten

457
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<v Speaker 9>to twenty two rigger replacement barrel.

458
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's what I thought. Yep, So make it started

459
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<v Speaker 2>out making barrels for twenty twos. What was it about

460
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<v Speaker 2>twenty twos? Because you guys are known as this twenty

461
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<v Speaker 2>two rifles and pistols. You guys make these fancy twenty twos.

462
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<v Speaker 2>Why twenty two's.

463
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<v Speaker 9>Because nobody at that point, nobody really back then, nobody

464
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<v Speaker 9>really dealt with anything with the twenty twos. You just

465
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<v Speaker 9>want to I think it was Sears or Montgomery Wards

466
00:25:52.400 --> 00:25:55.039
<v Speaker 9>or right coast to coast and just picked one up

467
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<v Speaker 9>and you know, on the farm or something like that.

468
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<v Speaker 2>But it was just a sledgehammer.

469
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<v Speaker 7>You didn't know.

470
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<v Speaker 9>Nobody. Yeah, nobody got into those much. And so Tom

471
00:26:03.880 --> 00:26:05.960
<v Speaker 9>was like, well, if nobody's involved in it, we should

472
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<v Speaker 9>get involved in it.

473
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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, find the white space. I like it. So,

474
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<v Speaker 2>you know, fast forward. I mean, you guys over the

475
00:26:13.000 --> 00:26:15.000
<v Speaker 2>years have made a lot of things. What do you

476
00:26:15.039 --> 00:26:16.799
<v Speaker 2>what are you kind of known for these days?

477
00:26:18.200 --> 00:26:24.160
<v Speaker 9>We're still known for like our accuracy, precision, everything like that. Lightweight.

478
00:26:24.319 --> 00:26:26.359
<v Speaker 9>We were like one of some of the first companies

479
00:26:26.480 --> 00:26:28.359
<v Speaker 9>ever to come out with like a corveron fiber barrel

480
00:26:28.480 --> 00:26:31.759
<v Speaker 9>to lighten everything up. So we're more of like on

481
00:26:31.920 --> 00:26:35.240
<v Speaker 9>target precision accuracy, but we do we have a lot

482
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<v Speaker 9>of people that shoot competition with all of our rifle

483
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<v Speaker 9>rifles and pistols.

484
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<v Speaker 2>Is it more on that the accuracy side or is

485
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<v Speaker 2>it more on the speed side? There is a little bit.

486
00:26:44.559 --> 00:26:47.599
<v Speaker 9>Majority was all on accuracy and then the speed came

487
00:26:47.640 --> 00:26:51.079
<v Speaker 9>because of the lightweight stuff that we did. We different uppers,

488
00:26:51.400 --> 00:26:56.240
<v Speaker 9>different barrels, lightweight barrels. We have good triggers, polls and accuracy,

489
00:26:56.279 --> 00:26:59.039
<v Speaker 9>you know, stuff like that which helps with accuracy. You know,

490
00:26:59.160 --> 00:27:02.519
<v Speaker 9>two pound, two quarter pound trigger pole, Chris trigger pole.

491
00:27:02.599 --> 00:27:05.920
<v Speaker 9>So I mean that helps with everything with acuracy and speed.

492
00:27:07.160 --> 00:27:10.880
<v Speaker 2>What type of accuracy should someone expect out of their

493
00:27:10.920 --> 00:27:11.680
<v Speaker 2>twenty two rifle?

494
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<v Speaker 9>It'd be like subma really something like that yep.

495
00:27:15.119 --> 00:27:18.799
<v Speaker 2>Which was in the past was kind of like unheard of, right, right,

496
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<v Speaker 2>A lot of it back in the past was you know,

497
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<v Speaker 2>two and a half three minute of squirrel sort of yes, yeah,

498
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<v Speaker 2>if he's a big.

499
00:27:26.200 --> 00:27:28.519
<v Speaker 9>Squirrel, if he's a big squirrel, aim for the.

500
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<v Speaker 2>Body, yeah, center of mass. Yes, yes, Well, Marty, you're

501
00:27:33.480 --> 00:27:39.279
<v Speaker 2>also someone who builds these guns and building this level

502
00:27:39.359 --> 00:27:42.720
<v Speaker 2>of gun. There's a lot that goes into it. There's

503
00:27:42.720 --> 00:27:45.359
<v Speaker 2>a lot of stuff that's kind of behind the scenes

504
00:27:45.480 --> 00:27:49.599
<v Speaker 2>or inside that people maybe can't see. What goes into

505
00:27:49.680 --> 00:27:52.720
<v Speaker 2>building these guns. What are some of the things that

506
00:27:52.799 --> 00:27:53.960
<v Speaker 2>maybe you guys do differently.

507
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<v Speaker 9>So we're actually and were still a small company I

508
00:27:57.559 --> 00:28:01.759
<v Speaker 9>mean we're just under thirty employees there. So the way

509
00:28:01.799 --> 00:28:03.680
<v Speaker 9>I look at it is every gun I build, I'm

510
00:28:03.680 --> 00:28:08.079
<v Speaker 9>building for that person. I'm not building it for, you know,

511
00:28:08.200 --> 00:28:11.799
<v Speaker 9>to go out on a rack at a store. It's

512
00:28:11.799 --> 00:28:14.519
<v Speaker 9>actually going for our customers. So it takes a lot

513
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<v Speaker 9>of pride, I believe. And you know, we only have

514
00:28:17.319 --> 00:28:24.839
<v Speaker 9>probably I think five builders, So we have two that

515
00:28:24.920 --> 00:28:28.039
<v Speaker 9>do pistols mainly and three that do rifle and so

516
00:28:28.640 --> 00:28:31.640
<v Speaker 9>everyone we're making it for that one person. So we

517
00:28:31.680 --> 00:28:33.960
<v Speaker 9>take a little bit of pride into what we do. So,

518
00:28:34.480 --> 00:28:36.839
<v Speaker 9>I mean we still do some hand polishing of barrels

519
00:28:36.839 --> 00:28:41.559
<v Speaker 9>and stuff like that, so everything looks good. We you know,

520
00:28:41.640 --> 00:28:44.799
<v Speaker 9>laser and grave stuff. So when we're putting it together,

521
00:28:44.839 --> 00:28:47.119
<v Speaker 9>we're putting it together not only for that person, but

522
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<v Speaker 9>we're putting it together for us because we're standing behind it.

523
00:28:50.079 --> 00:28:53.000
<v Speaker 9>We know who makes that gun. So every gun gets

524
00:28:53.000 --> 00:28:55.839
<v Speaker 9>sent out gets a card who built it. That way,

525
00:28:55.920 --> 00:28:58.039
<v Speaker 9>we know exactly everything about that.

526
00:28:58.200 --> 00:28:59.599
<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of there's a lot of pride that

527
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<v Speaker 2>goes into that.

528
00:29:00.359 --> 00:29:00.759
<v Speaker 8>Yeah.

529
00:29:00.920 --> 00:29:04.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, tell me about the people that work there, because

530
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<v Speaker 2>it seems like that's kind of a specialized piece of

531
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<v Speaker 2>knowledge to know how to build these guns that are

532
00:29:10.960 --> 00:29:14.200
<v Speaker 2>not just like you said, they're not just squirting out

533
00:29:14.200 --> 00:29:16.359
<v Speaker 2>a gun, you know, once a minute or something like that.

534
00:29:16.440 --> 00:29:18.480
<v Speaker 2>These are there's a little bit more care that goes

535
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<v Speaker 2>into these.

536
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<v Speaker 9>Yeah. And the nice thing about like every gun that

537
00:29:21.240 --> 00:29:25.880
<v Speaker 9>we do build the person that's building them. We're literally

538
00:29:25.960 --> 00:29:28.839
<v Speaker 9>putting the bolt together ourselves. We're putting the trigger guard

539
00:29:28.839 --> 00:29:31.480
<v Speaker 9>together ourselves. We'll put grabbing the barrel, we're posishing the barrel,

540
00:29:31.839 --> 00:29:35.039
<v Speaker 9>assembling everything ourselves. So we have a really good team

541
00:29:35.039 --> 00:29:38.920
<v Speaker 9>out there that puts them together. Courtney Snyder, Dan Overmoll,

542
00:29:39.079 --> 00:29:41.519
<v Speaker 9>Tim Cook, and Chad Huffman, I mean we have a

543
00:29:41.519 --> 00:29:45.880
<v Speaker 9>great team. We work together, so I mean positive attitudes

544
00:29:45.920 --> 00:29:49.400
<v Speaker 9>and I sometimes we bounce things off each other too.

545
00:29:49.519 --> 00:29:51.680
<v Speaker 9>About what we could do better and stuff like that.

546
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<v Speaker 2>We'll be right back with more gun Talk.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, welcome back to gun talk you guys brought some

590
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<v Speaker 2>sent some interesting guns to this event for Plinka Palooza.

591
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<v Speaker 2>I was telling you they were shooting a variety of them.

592
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<v Speaker 2>Can you talk about you know, we kind of have

593
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<v Speaker 2>the little bitty car being guy, we have the big

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<v Speaker 2>seventeen mars. Talk about those guns specifically.

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<v Speaker 9>So we brought Do you want to talk about the pistols? Yeah,

596
00:33:01.000 --> 00:33:03.680
<v Speaker 9>everything we brought. We brought a four and a half Mamba,

597
00:33:04.079 --> 00:33:05.880
<v Speaker 9>which are four and a half inch barrel with a

598
00:33:05.880 --> 00:33:09.039
<v Speaker 9>compensator on it. The nice thing about it has pick

599
00:33:09.160 --> 00:33:10.920
<v Speaker 9>rail on it, so it has iron sights on it,

600
00:33:10.960 --> 00:33:13.079
<v Speaker 9>but you can always add a red dot onto that.

601
00:33:13.359 --> 00:33:16.559
<v Speaker 9>So we have our lightweight pistol bolt in there now

602
00:33:16.640 --> 00:33:20.119
<v Speaker 9>which works really good with the suppressors and stuff like that.

603
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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so that's kind of tuned for running with expressor yep.

604
00:33:23.480 --> 00:33:26.960
<v Speaker 9>Okay, yep, but it will run otherwise any other just

605
00:33:27.039 --> 00:33:30.759
<v Speaker 9>normal way of planking or competition or anything like that. So,

606
00:33:31.319 --> 00:33:34.400
<v Speaker 9>like all the internal parts are we use the Mark

607
00:33:34.480 --> 00:33:37.200
<v Speaker 9>four lower which is rubs lower, but we take all

608
00:33:37.200 --> 00:33:38.759
<v Speaker 9>the parts of it and we have all of our

609
00:33:38.960 --> 00:33:41.039
<v Speaker 9>d M parts and all that stuff put in it,

610
00:33:41.079 --> 00:33:44.839
<v Speaker 9>plus our bolt. The uppers are so we kind of

611
00:33:45.839 --> 00:33:47.680
<v Speaker 9>unmask it all and we put all the.

612
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<v Speaker 2>Goods, put your stuff in and customize it. Now, what

613
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<v Speaker 2>about this this little car being.

614
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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, so we have an envy, which is it's means

615
00:33:59.480 --> 00:34:01.759
<v Speaker 9>it's has a pistol brace and stuff like that on

616
00:34:01.839 --> 00:34:03.200
<v Speaker 9>it's considered a pistol.

617
00:34:02.880 --> 00:34:04.920
<v Speaker 2>Because the barrel, Yeah it's a pistol.

618
00:34:05.079 --> 00:34:07.799
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, brace with the brace because of the length of

619
00:34:07.839 --> 00:34:10.039
<v Speaker 9>the barrel and stuff like that. The one I have

620
00:34:10.159 --> 00:34:12.920
<v Speaker 9>here today will be a nine inch barrel, but we

621
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<v Speaker 9>do offer a six inch barrel on.

622
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<v Speaker 2>That that that's the one laying on the table that

623
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<v Speaker 2>caught my eye because it just seems so handy because

624
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<v Speaker 2>is the brace. It's a foldable brace as well. Yeah,

625
00:34:22.519 --> 00:34:25.559
<v Speaker 2>so I mean that becomes a very compact package. It

626
00:34:25.639 --> 00:34:27.960
<v Speaker 2>folds down perfect in a backpack or something like that.

627
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<v Speaker 9>If you're going out somewhere and semi auto, semi auto,

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<v Speaker 9>what kind of magaz does it use? River ten or

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<v Speaker 9>you know, just the River ten twenty two magazines?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so millions of them out there, and you get

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<v Speaker 2>a flat, a flush one or a real long.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, you can get the b X twenty five, you know,

633
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<v Speaker 9>stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, perfect, very good yeah, and then you're also doing

635
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<v Speaker 2>seventeen HMR guns.

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<v Speaker 9>Right, yeah, seventeen h MAR and twenty two mag and

637
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<v Speaker 9>I believe we brought here is I fluted? Twenty two

638
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<v Speaker 9>mag is the one we brought?

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<v Speaker 2>How was doing the twenty two mag or seventeen HMAR?

640
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<v Speaker 2>How much different is that? And then dealing with twenty

641
00:35:06.000 --> 00:35:08.559
<v Speaker 2>two is it trickier a little bit?

642
00:35:08.679 --> 00:35:08.840
<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

643
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<v Speaker 9>Because with the twenty two magnue seventeen h AMAR if

644
00:35:12.280 --> 00:35:14.480
<v Speaker 9>you know, like in the past, River has some issues

645
00:35:14.519 --> 00:35:19.320
<v Speaker 9>with that, Tom found a way around that to make

646
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<v Speaker 9>them reliable and stuff like that. With the bolt, we

647
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<v Speaker 9>have to do a little bit something different with We

648
00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:26.440
<v Speaker 9>have a different hammer for that compared to our ten

649
00:35:26.480 --> 00:35:30.239
<v Speaker 9>twenty two hammer okay and spring, So we have a

650
00:35:30.320 --> 00:35:33.440
<v Speaker 9>few different setups, but otherwise it's pretty much put together

651
00:35:33.719 --> 00:35:36.559
<v Speaker 9>as same as our twenty two's. We just have different

652
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<v Speaker 9>components inside.

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<v Speaker 2>If somebody's looking at Okay, I want to get one

654
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<v Speaker 2>of these, I'm not sure if I want a twenty

655
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<v Speaker 2>two or twenty two mag or seventeen HMR. If they

656
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<v Speaker 2>come to you and say, Marty.

657
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<v Speaker 3>What do you think?

658
00:35:49.440 --> 00:35:51.480
<v Speaker 2>You know, like, how do you choose?

659
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<v Speaker 9>I look, I'm kind of a twenty two mag guy. Okay,

660
00:35:56.400 --> 00:35:58.880
<v Speaker 9>so I like the twenty two. I don't know, it's

661
00:35:59.079 --> 00:36:01.280
<v Speaker 9>like my first gun that time built me. Okay when

662
00:36:01.519 --> 00:36:05.440
<v Speaker 9>when when I started working there, So I've always liked it.

663
00:36:05.639 --> 00:36:09.360
<v Speaker 9>It's it's gonna knock down what I'm shooting, U Yeah,

664
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<v Speaker 9>raccoon stuff like that, well, especially if it's.

665
00:36:12.079 --> 00:36:14.480
<v Speaker 2>In a bigger, heavier gun like one of the ones

666
00:36:14.519 --> 00:36:17.159
<v Speaker 2>we have here. I mean that's that sucker doesn't move

667
00:36:17.199 --> 00:36:18.960
<v Speaker 2>at all, right, when you're shooting on a bench. It's

668
00:36:19.079 --> 00:36:20.480
<v Speaker 2>just it's a tack driver.

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<v Speaker 9>Right, Yeah. And the seventeen is nice. I mean that

670
00:36:23.199 --> 00:36:27.960
<v Speaker 9>that bullet's fast. It's just in my opinion, if you

671
00:36:28.039 --> 00:36:30.400
<v Speaker 9>got some wind out there at one hundred and fifty,

672
00:36:30.440 --> 00:36:32.920
<v Speaker 9>it's gonna sure, it's gonna yeah.

673
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<v Speaker 2>I mean the difference in weight of bullet makes a

674
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<v Speaker 2>difference at that point, right, Yes, yeah, I will say also,

675
00:36:41.559 --> 00:36:43.599
<v Speaker 2>you know you don't think of and I wouldn't say

676
00:36:43.639 --> 00:36:48.280
<v Speaker 2>it's any rim fire is necessarily loud, but a twenty

677
00:36:48.400 --> 00:36:51.519
<v Speaker 2>two mag or seventeen it's got a crack to it.

678
00:36:51.719 --> 00:36:53.639
<v Speaker 2>Yes that you go, wow, wait a minute, oh, this

679
00:36:53.800 --> 00:36:58.480
<v Speaker 2>is a rim fire, but it's it's it's moving, right, yeah, exactly.

680
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<v Speaker 9>I mean you can go out and shoot your you know,

681
00:37:00.400 --> 00:37:02.360
<v Speaker 9>twenty two, but you grab that twenty two magrat the

682
00:37:02.400 --> 00:37:04.679
<v Speaker 9>seventeen h mark, there is a difference.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah you notice it? Yes, yeah, absolutely, yeah, absolutely, that's fun.

684
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<v Speaker 2>I mean, Marty Welson, you guys been up to over

685
00:37:11.840 --> 00:37:12.400
<v Speaker 2>there local.

686
00:37:12.880 --> 00:37:14.719
<v Speaker 9>We've got a few things, you know, like the Envy

687
00:37:14.760 --> 00:37:17.119
<v Speaker 9>I was talking about. We're actually looking at doing our

688
00:37:17.199 --> 00:37:20.559
<v Speaker 9>own conversion of the takedown model on that. So we're

689
00:37:20.559 --> 00:37:23.400
<v Speaker 9>going to use that platform to do a takedown model,

690
00:37:23.760 --> 00:37:26.639
<v Speaker 9>make it even smaller, right yeah, yeah, yeah, be able

691
00:37:26.679 --> 00:37:29.920
<v Speaker 9>to take it down and everything like that, something with

692
00:37:30.039 --> 00:37:33.320
<v Speaker 9>the SBR kind of style stuff like that. So yeah,

693
00:37:33.840 --> 00:37:35.719
<v Speaker 9>and like I said, I mentioned our lightweight Bolt that

694
00:37:35.880 --> 00:37:38.280
<v Speaker 9>we the new lightweight Bolt we came out for our

695
00:37:38.320 --> 00:37:42.519
<v Speaker 9>pistols and trying to take off anything else.

696
00:37:42.719 --> 00:37:45.679
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, always always new things in the works, right yeah.

697
00:37:46.000 --> 00:37:47.800
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, we always got something in the workst We do

698
00:37:47.920 --> 00:37:50.199
<v Speaker 9>have a new chassis coming out also that's going to

699
00:37:50.239 --> 00:37:51.960
<v Speaker 9>be with included with that Envy.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so tell me about that you guys are doing.

701
00:37:56.320 --> 00:37:58.920
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, yeah, we're we're actually doing it right in house.

702
00:38:00.199 --> 00:38:02.880
<v Speaker 9>We kind of outsource that stuff, but we're doing this

703
00:38:02.960 --> 00:38:07.039
<v Speaker 9>one right in house. We have them all machined.

704
00:38:06.840 --> 00:38:07.199
<v Speaker 7>Ready to go.

705
00:38:07.400 --> 00:38:10.880
<v Speaker 9>They got sent off to fizing, so when we get back,

706
00:38:10.920 --> 00:38:12.199
<v Speaker 9>hopefully they're they're back.

707
00:38:12.239 --> 00:38:15.280
<v Speaker 2>And the chassis thing is hot these days. I mean,

708
00:38:15.320 --> 00:38:20.000
<v Speaker 2>everybody's wanting a chassis gun and they look cool. I mean,

709
00:38:20.119 --> 00:38:23.280
<v Speaker 2>and they're probably you're fun to shoot. Marty. Thanks for

710
00:38:23.360 --> 00:38:23.960
<v Speaker 2>being on with us.

711
00:38:24.159 --> 00:38:25.239
<v Speaker 9>Thank you appreciate that.

712
00:38:25.480 --> 00:38:28.280
<v Speaker 2>Vulcourts and firearms, if you haven't heard of them, now

713
00:38:28.360 --> 00:38:32.360
<v Speaker 2>you have. This is kind of not your standard twenty two.

714
00:38:32.519 --> 00:38:34.039
<v Speaker 2>I mean, we think of a twenty two as all,

715
00:38:34.119 --> 00:38:37.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, a little you know, cheapy you buy in

716
00:38:37.639 --> 00:38:39.639
<v Speaker 2>some big box store. But if you want to step

717
00:38:39.760 --> 00:38:43.079
<v Speaker 2>up to something that looks different and shoots great, bull

718
00:38:43.159 --> 00:38:45.440
<v Speaker 2>courts and firearms a great one to look at, small

719
00:38:45.480 --> 00:38:48.119
<v Speaker 2>companies right there in the Midwest. Yeah, vulcourts and I

720
00:38:48.199 --> 00:38:50.199
<v Speaker 2>mean a lot of times we think of twenty two's

721
00:38:50.280 --> 00:38:53.960
<v Speaker 2>as budget friendly rifles and pistols. They don't have to

722
00:38:54.000 --> 00:38:56.159
<v Speaker 2>break the bank. But sometimes you want to step up

723
00:38:56.199 --> 00:39:08.159
<v Speaker 2>and get something really nice. We'll be right back. Hey,

724
00:39:08.239 --> 00:39:10.519
<v Speaker 2>welcome back to gun Talk. I'm your guest. It's Ryan Gresha.

725
00:39:10.519 --> 00:39:13.039
<v Speaker 2>I'm filling in for Tom this week. Thanks for hanging

726
00:39:13.039 --> 00:39:15.239
<v Speaker 2>around with us. You've made it to hour three, or

727
00:39:15.760 --> 00:39:18.199
<v Speaker 2>perhaps you're just driving on your car and you're thinking,

728
00:39:18.280 --> 00:39:19.840
<v Speaker 2>what the heck is this? This is the station where

729
00:39:19.840 --> 00:39:22.400
<v Speaker 2>I usually listen to someone like good at radio, like

730
00:39:22.519 --> 00:39:25.039
<v Speaker 2>Dave Ramsey, But you've got gun talk, so you might

731
00:39:25.079 --> 00:39:27.440
<v Speaker 2>as well stick around because we're talking about guns. We've

732
00:39:27.440 --> 00:39:29.280
<v Speaker 2>been doing it for thirty one years on the air.

733
00:39:29.760 --> 00:39:32.480
<v Speaker 2>And just to give you like a little background, like

734
00:39:32.599 --> 00:39:36.280
<v Speaker 2>our approach with this stuff is we love all things guns,

735
00:39:36.519 --> 00:39:38.639
<v Speaker 2>very broad in it. We talk about gun rights, we

736
00:39:38.719 --> 00:39:41.360
<v Speaker 2>talk about what I call the gun nerds side of this,

737
00:39:41.559 --> 00:39:46.239
<v Speaker 2>comparing ballistics and comparing rifles. But then we also talk

738
00:39:46.280 --> 00:39:48.880
<v Speaker 2>about the self defense and that's the reality for a

739
00:39:48.920 --> 00:39:51.840
<v Speaker 2>lot of people. That's why they buy a gun, that's

740
00:39:51.840 --> 00:39:54.840
<v Speaker 2>where they start. Some of you listen to this, you

741
00:39:54.960 --> 00:39:57.920
<v Speaker 2>started because you started as a kid. I mean your

742
00:39:58.000 --> 00:40:01.920
<v Speaker 2>dad hunted or shotguns, your uncle, your grandpa, whoever introduced

743
00:40:01.960 --> 00:40:05.519
<v Speaker 2>you to it, and along those lines. If you're someone

744
00:40:05.599 --> 00:40:08.480
<v Speaker 2>who's into this, there are a lot of people out

745
00:40:08.519 --> 00:40:11.320
<v Speaker 2>there who are not opposed to guns, but they just

746
00:40:11.360 --> 00:40:13.880
<v Speaker 2>don't know anything about it at all. And they don't

747
00:40:14.079 --> 00:40:17.239
<v Speaker 2>maybe they didn't grow up in a household where dad

748
00:40:17.400 --> 00:40:20.719
<v Speaker 2>was a gun guy, and so you could be that safe,

749
00:40:20.760 --> 00:40:24.880
<v Speaker 2>responsible friend who invites people to the range, who shows

750
00:40:24.920 --> 00:40:26.440
<v Speaker 2>them how to do it, do it the right way,

751
00:40:26.519 --> 00:40:29.480
<v Speaker 2>perhaps start with a twenty two and get them comfortable

752
00:40:29.519 --> 00:40:31.960
<v Speaker 2>with it and show them how fun it is, because

753
00:40:32.440 --> 00:40:35.559
<v Speaker 2>you know, if you don't have that person to hold

754
00:40:35.599 --> 00:40:38.920
<v Speaker 2>your hand and show you the way, it's really easy

755
00:40:39.000 --> 00:40:41.440
<v Speaker 2>to not take that step. It's really easy to not

756
00:40:41.559 --> 00:40:44.480
<v Speaker 2>buy that gun or get a little training and get proficient.

757
00:40:44.960 --> 00:40:48.159
<v Speaker 2>So just encourage you. If you're listening to this and

758
00:40:48.239 --> 00:40:50.840
<v Speaker 2>you're the gun enthusiast and your crowd at your work, whatever,

759
00:40:51.679 --> 00:40:54.719
<v Speaker 2>do those things invite people to do it. You know,

760
00:40:54.800 --> 00:40:57.079
<v Speaker 2>we talk about trends and things we're seeing these days.

761
00:40:57.360 --> 00:40:59.400
<v Speaker 2>What are the trends that we keep seeing is double

762
00:40:59.440 --> 00:41:03.800
<v Speaker 2>stack Team Eleven's and nineteen eleven pistol, the forty five auto,

763
00:41:03.960 --> 00:41:08.639
<v Speaker 2>John Browning's John Browning's creation. They're fantastic. And then the

764
00:41:08.679 --> 00:41:11.039
<v Speaker 2>double stacks are really not new. I mean, Pair of

765
00:41:11.159 --> 00:41:14.800
<v Speaker 2>Ordinance brought that out gosh, maybe twenty or thirty years ago,

766
00:41:15.480 --> 00:41:18.239
<v Speaker 2>but they've just become hot again in the last several years.

767
00:41:18.280 --> 00:41:20.199
<v Speaker 2>And it's an interesting trend because I think it's a

768
00:41:20.280 --> 00:41:23.159
<v Speaker 2>trend that's a bigger one for the world of guns,

769
00:41:23.199 --> 00:41:28.760
<v Speaker 2>which is guns as a fun hobby. We talk about

770
00:41:28.760 --> 00:41:30.679
<v Speaker 2>it where it's all serious, what is this gun for?

771
00:41:30.920 --> 00:41:32.719
<v Speaker 2>What is it good for? Is it good for carry?

772
00:41:32.840 --> 00:41:34.880
<v Speaker 2>Is it good for hunting? Is it going to stop

773
00:41:34.920 --> 00:41:35.239
<v Speaker 2>a bear?

774
00:41:35.719 --> 00:41:35.920
<v Speaker 9>Well?

775
00:41:36.400 --> 00:41:39.920
<v Speaker 2>That's great, that's the serious side of guns. But there

776
00:41:40.000 --> 00:41:43.440
<v Speaker 2>is a trend, especially I think in the younger crowd,

777
00:41:43.559 --> 00:41:46.559
<v Speaker 2>you know, the under forty under thirty crowd, where guns

778
00:41:46.639 --> 00:41:51.159
<v Speaker 2>as a fun hobby and it's not about whether this

779
00:41:51.440 --> 00:41:53.360
<v Speaker 2>is going to be the right thing for Carrie or

780
00:41:53.440 --> 00:41:55.360
<v Speaker 2>this is going to be it's just about going to

781
00:41:55.440 --> 00:41:57.920
<v Speaker 2>the range shooting things that are fun to shoot. And

782
00:41:58.000 --> 00:42:01.199
<v Speaker 2>a double stack nine to eleven definitely fills that need.

783
00:42:01.320 --> 00:42:04.239
<v Speaker 2>I mean, because they are a joy to shoot. They're heavy,

784
00:42:04.280 --> 00:42:05.760
<v Speaker 2>they have a good trigger, they don't have a lot

785
00:42:05.800 --> 00:42:08.280
<v Speaker 2>of recoil, they hold plenty of ambo. You can trick

786
00:42:08.360 --> 00:42:11.360
<v Speaker 2>them out, and let's be honest, you can kind of

787
00:42:11.400 --> 00:42:15.159
<v Speaker 2>look cool on the gram on social media because with

788
00:42:15.320 --> 00:42:17.679
<v Speaker 2>the right gun, maybe with a muzzle break or a

789
00:42:17.760 --> 00:42:21.480
<v Speaker 2>comp or something, they don't have a lot much muzzle flips,

790
00:42:21.559 --> 00:42:24.079
<v Speaker 2>so they look pretty cool. One of the things that

791
00:42:24.119 --> 00:42:26.280
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, and I would it's an interesting debate

792
00:42:26.440 --> 00:42:29.760
<v Speaker 2>to think about, is people carrying the double stack nineteen eleven,

793
00:42:29.800 --> 00:42:33.199
<v Speaker 2>Because I know people do it. There's got to be somebody.

794
00:42:33.679 --> 00:42:37.199
<v Speaker 2>But man, if you think about an all metal gun

795
00:42:37.920 --> 00:42:40.599
<v Speaker 2>that's a five inch barrel that and I know they

796
00:42:40.639 --> 00:42:44.079
<v Speaker 2>have smaller ones. Toccato has smaller ones, springtiar d memory

797
00:42:44.159 --> 00:42:47.400
<v Speaker 2>has smaller ones, SDS has smaller ones. But it's a

798
00:42:47.480 --> 00:42:50.199
<v Speaker 2>lot of weight. You know, you're talking about thirteen to

799
00:42:50.360 --> 00:42:52.519
<v Speaker 2>twenty rounds of nine in the gun. That adds a

800
00:42:52.559 --> 00:42:54.039
<v Speaker 2>lot of weight to it as well. So is it

801
00:42:54.119 --> 00:42:57.000
<v Speaker 2>something you would really carry? If it is, I would

802
00:42:57.039 --> 00:42:58.960
<v Speaker 2>say it's something you've got to train with, You've got

803
00:42:59.039 --> 00:43:01.159
<v Speaker 2>to really practice with. You're talking about a gun with

804
00:43:01.239 --> 00:43:03.440
<v Speaker 2>a thumb safety. You're talking about a gun that has

805
00:43:03.440 --> 00:43:07.199
<v Speaker 2>a shorter trigger press. That's okay as long as you

806
00:43:07.320 --> 00:43:10.599
<v Speaker 2>are proficient and trained with that gun. But it's just

807
00:43:10.679 --> 00:43:14.679
<v Speaker 2>something to consider because obviously, the quote unquote traditional carry guns,

808
00:43:14.719 --> 00:43:17.119
<v Speaker 2>the striker fire polymer stuff, that's what they're made for.

809
00:43:17.159 --> 00:43:19.920
<v Speaker 2>They're pretty lightweight. A lot of them are smaller for carry,

810
00:43:20.119 --> 00:43:22.880
<v Speaker 2>and they're easy to shoot, but it's fun. There might

811
00:43:22.880 --> 00:43:24.559
<v Speaker 2>be ones that you want to pick up Double Stack

812
00:43:24.639 --> 00:43:26.440
<v Speaker 2>nineteen eleven, so if you don't have one, take a

813
00:43:26.519 --> 00:43:26.679
<v Speaker 2>look