1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:04,200 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Master of the NEC podcast, the ultimate 2 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:09,000 destination for anyone passionate about the electrical trade. Whether you're 3 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:12,439 a season electrician and eager apprentice, or just someone who 4 00:00:12,439 --> 00:00:14,919 wants to dive deep into the world of electrical work, 5 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:16,519 You've come to the right place. 6 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:19,239 Speaker 2: Join your host, Paul. 7 00:00:19,039 --> 00:00:21,960 Speaker 1: Abernavi, a true authority in the industry with over thirty 8 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:25,239 eight years of trade experience, as he electrifies your mind 9 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:29,399 within depth discussions, expertips, and valuable insights that will keep 10 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:33,560 you ahead of the curve. Each episode, Paul will illuminate 11 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:37,280 the complexities of the trade, decode the national electrical code, 12 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:40,840 and share the latest industry trends, all while empowering you 13 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:44,640 to take your electrical career to the next level. So 14 00:00:45,079 --> 00:00:48,200 gar up, plug in, and get ready to supercharge your 15 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:51,679 knowledge because with the Master of the Neez podcast, the 16 00:00:51,799 --> 00:00:53,359 power is in your hands. 17 00:00:54,079 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 2: Now get ready. Here is your host, Paul Abernavi. 18 00:00:58,799 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 3: Up. 19 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:03,799 Speaker 2: What up? Everybody? Welcome to another episode of Master the NEC. 20 00:01:05,159 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 3: It's great to be here, great to give you a podcast. 21 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:11,280 If you haven't listened to our podcast before, or you 22 00:01:11,519 --> 00:01:15,560 just kind of getting into the podcast thing. I love podcasts. 23 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:17,599 Probably the number one thing that I love to do 24 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:19,840 is podcasts. You've heard me say this, if you've listened 25 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:21,760 to my shows before or seen me over on the 26 00:01:21,799 --> 00:01:24,799 Coffee Hour, or if you've been in any of our programs. 27 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:28,599 If you google me Paul Abernathy NEC or Paul Abernathy 28 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:32,439 Electrical Guru or whatever you do to find me, you 29 00:01:32,519 --> 00:01:36,599 will see that I consistently talk about my love for 30 00:01:36,719 --> 00:01:40,959 podcasting and being able to deliver a message mentally and 31 00:01:41,239 --> 00:01:45,799 paint that picture, whether it's a code application in the 32 00:01:45,799 --> 00:01:50,400 field HR development, marketing, all those type of things. When 33 00:01:50,439 --> 00:01:52,319 it comes to the electrical industry, I do my best 34 00:01:52,319 --> 00:01:55,319 to do that. So I've been consistent on that. We 35 00:01:55,439 --> 00:01:58,319 have over a thousand episodes. Believe it or not, Guys, 36 00:01:58,439 --> 00:02:03,120 even going back years ago, which many of the podcast 37 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:05,040 episodes are still very relevant. 38 00:02:05,159 --> 00:02:05,879 Speaker 2: Okay, it's not. 39 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 3: It's kind of it's not a time capsule thing where 40 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:11,039 it's just you know, if you've listened to it and 41 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:14,319 it was a five years ago, that it's not germane today. 42 00:02:14,439 --> 00:02:17,159 Most of the stuff I talk about unless it's code change, 43 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:21,319 you know, national electrical code changes. Other than that, it's 44 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:24,680 pretty much universal. I mean, you can listen to a 45 00:02:24,719 --> 00:02:29,319 show that is that was done years ago, and it's 46 00:02:29,319 --> 00:02:32,719 going to be relevant to today. And so one of 47 00:02:32,759 --> 00:02:37,280 the other things that I've been consistent on for years 48 00:02:37,479 --> 00:02:41,400 is the fact that we just don't have enough electricians. 49 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:46,000 And there's there's a difference in my mind between a 50 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:49,919 a good electrician and a great electrician. And I've spent 51 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:55,960 a career trying to create great electricians. You know, I 52 00:02:56,000 --> 00:03:00,719 can teach anybody to turn a wrench us out of clients. 53 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:03,960 I could teach anybody to to make up a three 54 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:05,120 way single poll. 55 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:08,759 Speaker 2: I can do that. That's not brain surgery. I can 56 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:12,879 teach somebody to boreholes, use nail plates when necessary, secure 57 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:16,039 and support cables in accordance with the National Electrical Code. 58 00:03:16,479 --> 00:03:17,759 Not brain surgery. 59 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:22,199 Speaker 3: Okay, Now, when it comes to the physical part of 60 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:25,360 you know, putting your hands on it, that just takes time. 61 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:27,400 You have to put in the hours. Once you get 62 00:03:27,439 --> 00:03:30,159 those hours, now you're going to go to the other 63 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:34,439 side of the career of being an electrician. Uh. And 64 00:03:34,479 --> 00:03:37,520 this is what kind of separates the good electricians who 65 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:39,759 are very good. I mean they can go out and 66 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:42,280 they do the task at hand. I can send somebody 67 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:46,000 out to do something and they get it done. And 68 00:03:46,039 --> 00:03:48,360 you can work for somebody and they give you a 69 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:50,080 task and you can go out and get it done. 70 00:03:50,879 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 2: But the difference, in. 71 00:03:52,919 --> 00:03:56,159 Speaker 3: My mind, and it's something that I've been preaching for years, 72 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:59,960 the difference between a good electrician and what I consider 73 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,479 a great electrician is an electrician that uses both sides 74 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:07,000 of their brain. The physical part, they learn it, they 75 00:04:07,039 --> 00:04:09,639 get proficient in it, they can do it very nice 76 00:04:09,719 --> 00:04:13,199 and neat and that type of thing. But then there's 77 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:16,319 that mental part. And it's not just what you've heard 78 00:04:16,319 --> 00:04:19,199 me say things about just learning the NEEC. It's a 79 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:24,000 whole ball of learning how to market, how to do 80 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:28,959 human resources, how to expand your knowledge with the National 81 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:32,879 Electrical Code, and realize that everything that you do right, 82 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:36,680 everything that you do with your hands, and what you've learned, 83 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:41,480 whether you went to vocational school, whether you apprenticeship program, 84 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:45,519 whatever it is, the things that you learned you start 85 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:46,439 locking in your brain. 86 00:04:46,519 --> 00:04:47,759 Speaker 2: That's the physical part. 87 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 3: And there are aspects that you learn, like securing and 88 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:54,439 supporting non metallic sheet cable right every four and a 89 00:04:54,480 --> 00:05:00,000 half feet. All those things you learn, but that's repetition, right, 90 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:04,279 that's just muscle memory. You do it over and over 91 00:05:04,319 --> 00:05:08,040 and over again, you get proficient at it, and that 92 00:05:08,079 --> 00:05:09,680 makes you a good electrician. 93 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:12,600 Speaker 2: You know that there's nothing wrong with good electricians. We 94 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:16,199 need them. But then there's this element where. 95 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,839 Speaker 3: You have to you say, okay, am I okay with 96 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,639 just being a good electrician, and again you might be 97 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:27,920 happy with that, and then there's this this scenario where 98 00:05:28,319 --> 00:05:31,160 a vast majority of people will say, you know, I'm 99 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:34,680 not good with that. I want to make sure that 100 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:37,639 I know that even in my mind and I project 101 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:40,319 this image I am better than the guy next door. 102 00:05:40,639 --> 00:05:43,519 I am better than the electrician down the street. You 103 00:05:43,639 --> 00:05:47,680 need to hire me because I am better. And it's 104 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:52,160 not cockiness. It is an element of you're only on 105 00:05:52,199 --> 00:05:54,480 this earth a short amount of time. We try to 106 00:05:54,519 --> 00:05:57,360 absorb as much knowledge as we can because the more 107 00:05:57,399 --> 00:05:59,920 knowledge you have, the easier the work is. 108 00:06:00,639 --> 00:06:02,720 Speaker 2: I mean, let's face it. 109 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:06,759 Speaker 3: You know, if you become knowledgeable, very knowledgeable in something, 110 00:06:07,319 --> 00:06:09,879 then the job becomes just flat out easier. And that 111 00:06:09,879 --> 00:06:14,800 doesn't mean the labors easier. Maybe you work smarter than harder, 112 00:06:15,399 --> 00:06:17,879 but at the end of the day, it becomes easier 113 00:06:17,879 --> 00:06:20,639 the more knowledgeable you get. And when it comes to 114 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:25,920 understanding the National Electrical Code. It's critical and I'm not 115 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:30,879 just talking about understanding it for like exam prep. 116 00:06:31,079 --> 00:06:31,600 Speaker 2: That's great. 117 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 3: And again we as many of you know, I create 118 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:38,839 courses that are designed with a systematic approach to teach 119 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:42,040 you the NEC. Okay, I'm not reinventing the wheel. It 120 00:06:42,199 --> 00:06:46,279 is a fast track system. Okay, So that helps you 121 00:06:46,319 --> 00:06:52,759 get your license. But the real part about learning and 122 00:06:52,959 --> 00:06:57,800 retaining is what you do after licensure. What is your goal? 123 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:01,160 Where are you trying to be in your career? And 124 00:07:01,199 --> 00:07:03,439 that is what spawned me all the way back in 125 00:07:03,519 --> 00:07:07,519 twenty seventeen to come up with what's called the Certified 126 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:12,079 Master Electrical Code Professional Program. So it is trademarked the 127 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:17,439 whole phrase as well as the acronym cm ECP, and 128 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:23,240 it's for specific, exclusive use for those that have gone 129 00:07:23,279 --> 00:07:27,079 from being a good electrician to a great electrician. And 130 00:07:27,759 --> 00:07:30,040 you know, and people say, well, good being this guy 131 00:07:30,079 --> 00:07:31,439 installs it neater than this guy. 132 00:07:31,519 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 2: Well, neatness is in the eye of the beholder. Okay. 133 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 3: So most electricians that go through life, unless you're a hack, 134 00:07:38,519 --> 00:07:41,480 and again, you know who you are if you go 135 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:45,759 through life faking it to make it, and you know 136 00:07:45,839 --> 00:07:49,240 then that's hard because you're going to have to learn 137 00:07:49,279 --> 00:07:51,480 those skills and it's going to be a challenge for 138 00:07:51,519 --> 00:07:53,720 you to kick your game up or step up to 139 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:58,240 the next level. Okay, unless you dedicate and focus to it. Generally, 140 00:07:58,279 --> 00:08:01,319 good electricians or electricians are out there working day in 141 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:04,399 and day out. They're working their ass off to get 142 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:08,600 to get better, to step up their game, to provide 143 00:08:08,639 --> 00:08:13,360 more for their family, to get more acknowledgment of their 144 00:08:13,759 --> 00:08:16,240 I mean, let's face it, you could say you don't, 145 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:19,519 but when you're on a job, you know that you want. 146 00:08:19,399 --> 00:08:21,319 Speaker 2: Acknowledgment for how good you are. 147 00:08:21,439 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 3: Don't lie, don't cheat yourself, don't fake and say I 148 00:08:24,079 --> 00:08:26,959 don't care, because you do. And the reason I say 149 00:08:26,959 --> 00:08:28,879 this is because the moment that you do something and 150 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:30,920 you don't get the boss or somebody else say the 151 00:08:30,959 --> 00:08:34,080 great job, you're like, they don't care what I do, 152 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:37,879 they don't care about I'm here. That's an example of 153 00:08:37,919 --> 00:08:43,679 where you don't feel you're appreciated. So you know, through 154 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:47,200 the years, one of those goals was to say, okay, 155 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:53,120 one electrical trade is so important to the infrastructure of 156 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:55,480 what we do in a day in and day out 157 00:08:55,519 --> 00:08:59,120 basis right, and you might have heard me on a 158 00:08:59,279 --> 00:09:04,080 podcast talk about the future of electricians, and even the 159 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:07,240 Bureau of Labor Statistics said it's going to be about 160 00:09:07,279 --> 00:09:11,480 eleven percent growth. Eighty some thousand electricians are going to 161 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:15,399 be needed. And I say that's incorrect because if you 162 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:18,440 look at more people that are closer, even CEOs of 163 00:09:18,639 --> 00:09:22,799 major companies UH putting out there saying, you know what, 164 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:26,279 we're going to need. An example of this was CEOs 165 00:09:26,279 --> 00:09:31,399 that put this stuff out there for the AI industry. 166 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:35,639 We're going to need at least five hundred thousands electricians 167 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:40,799 in the next ten years. It's crazy because they understand 168 00:09:40,919 --> 00:09:45,519 that AI, artificial intelligence is not going to replace electricians. 169 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 2: It's not going to replace plumbers, mechanical HVAC. It's not. 170 00:09:51,279 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 3: So they understand that, you know, we're still going to 171 00:09:55,919 --> 00:09:57,799 need people to bring power to these buildings. 172 00:09:57,919 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 2: We understand they're going to have to maintain this equipt. 173 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:05,159 Speaker 3: They understand that a lot of dwellings and residential peoples, 174 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:10,519 you know, different subdivisions. They understand Corporate America Corporate, they're 175 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:13,279 constantly going to need to be upgrading their power because 176 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:17,399 they're gonna want these these new technologies that are very 177 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:20,440 power hungry. I mean, let's face it, we spent so 178 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:24,240 much time in the last ten years trying to talk 179 00:10:24,279 --> 00:10:27,039 about energy conservation, and I get it, it's important things 180 00:10:27,039 --> 00:10:31,440 save for the next generation. I'm not discounting conservation and 181 00:10:31,799 --> 00:10:33,720 being smart and how we use our energy. 182 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 2: But let's face it. 183 00:10:36,519 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 3: It is the direct opposite of trying to be green 184 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:45,039 and save the planet. Yet we want to We're starved 185 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:52,039 for technology. Everybody's going around with the phone, everybody's got laptops, desktops, computers, 186 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:53,720 they work. You know, so as much as you want 187 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:57,200 to say, it's just like a politician saying we need 188 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:00,080 to stop the carbon footprint, and then the next day 189 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:03,559 they're on a private jet going to some venue somewhere. 190 00:11:04,039 --> 00:11:07,639 It's total counterproductive to what their mission, what their statement was. 191 00:11:08,799 --> 00:11:11,120 Let's get it. We can call it hypocrisy. All we 192 00:11:11,159 --> 00:11:16,039 want it is the fact. Its reality, right, And you know, 193 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:18,120 we're trying to save as much energy as we can. 194 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:22,440 I mean, we're again LEDs, We're trying to be efficient 195 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:25,399 with equipment and things like that, but at the end 196 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:29,840 of the day, the technology is moving so fast and 197 00:11:29,879 --> 00:11:34,039 it's so power hungry to do so much processing that 198 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:38,039 we're going to have to have capacity changes. So the 199 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:41,039 transformers that are at your in your neighborhood aren't going 200 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:44,159 to handle the ev explosions that people want to do, 201 00:11:44,399 --> 00:11:47,919 or the or the new technologies that come out, or 202 00:11:48,799 --> 00:11:52,720 the data hungry type of artificial intelligence that's going to 203 00:11:52,759 --> 00:11:55,720 come rapidly over the next ten years. So who's going 204 00:11:55,759 --> 00:12:00,039 to do this, Who's going to provide this infrastructure to 205 00:12:00,039 --> 00:12:01,360 see Electrician. 206 00:12:02,399 --> 00:12:05,159 Speaker 2: It's it's only one only person that can do it. 207 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:11,639 Speaker 3: So my effort in this industry, and it's been something 208 00:12:11,639 --> 00:12:13,759 that it's been a passion of mine and I started 209 00:12:13,799 --> 00:12:18,840 it back in twenty seventeen, was to create the CMECP program. 210 00:12:20,039 --> 00:12:25,120 Now this is not an advertisement for the CMACP program. First, 211 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:27,039 let me get that out of the way. It is 212 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:30,240 me explaining the vision that I had when I helped 213 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:34,279 create it, or when I started the program. Many people 214 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:37,480 remember that there is a company called Eaton Cutler Hammer, 215 00:12:38,039 --> 00:12:41,120 and years ago I was instrumental in them creating what's 216 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:43,960 called the ecc IN program. And I would go around 217 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:49,360 the country with a gentleman named Schmolsky. Andrew Smolsky, who 218 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:52,360 has since left the corporation, and went somewhere else, but 219 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:55,519 he was instrumental in helping get this thing started and 220 00:12:55,600 --> 00:13:00,440 we were able to grow a the ECCN program to 221 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:05,200 get eaten contractors into this certification and then train them 222 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:08,679 on the eating products. Okay, that was important because it 223 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:13,360 was so vital that the industry understood their products better. 224 00:13:13,799 --> 00:13:16,840 And then there's no better way than to certify installers 225 00:13:16,879 --> 00:13:19,759 to make sure that they understand all the nuances on 226 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:23,720 how these products are to be installed. So we create 227 00:13:23,799 --> 00:13:28,799 that concept, so, you know, go a couple of years 228 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:31,399 down the road, I said, you know what when it 229 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:35,840 comes to that concept in my mind of good versus 230 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:38,919 great electricians who have the skills with their hands, but 231 00:13:39,279 --> 00:13:44,039 are now willing to take that next step, which is 232 00:13:44,159 --> 00:13:48,799 jumping into the mental aspect of the industry, and that 233 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:51,960 is to learn the National Electrical Code. 234 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:52,919 Speaker 2: You know. 235 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:56,039 Speaker 3: And what I see all over different social medias that 236 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:58,360 people make comments about it is I don't need to 237 00:13:58,440 --> 00:13:59,000 learn the code. 238 00:13:59,039 --> 00:14:00,279 Speaker 2: The codebooks right there. 239 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:03,559 Speaker 3: Well, the fact of the matter is I can tell 240 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:06,480 you that I spend tons of time and y'all know this, 241 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:09,600 those that follow me, I spend an awful lot of 242 00:14:09,639 --> 00:14:13,440 time on social media pointing out the fact that people 243 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:17,360 promote themselves as being good electricians, but then the pictures 244 00:14:17,399 --> 00:14:19,559 and the things that they say and the comments they 245 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:24,240 make say otherwise, right, they're not as good as they say. 246 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:27,639 So back in twenty seventeen, I said, I said, okay, 247 00:14:27,679 --> 00:14:29,320 so what is the mission? 248 00:14:29,399 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 2: What do I want to do? 249 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 3: And then everybody said when I came up with the 250 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:36,200 CMECP program, we started setting out the protocols, we set 251 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:42,879 the groundwork, having the volunteers that came forward to help 252 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:45,879 us get the program started, and then we built on 253 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:50,000 their back and they were more or less the advisory board, 254 00:14:50,759 --> 00:14:54,320 and then we started getting actual cmmecps. 255 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 2: It would go through the program. What was the. 256 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 3: Reason for that? Well, one, for me, it was what 257 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:04,120 does a master electrician really have? Now, again, it's not 258 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:07,120 for everybody. Some people are just into making the money. 259 00:15:07,159 --> 00:15:09,159 They don't want to grow theirself, they don't want to 260 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:10,480 have that competitive edge. 261 00:15:10,559 --> 00:15:14,919 Speaker 2: They just don't care. That's fine. I'm not dissing any 262 00:15:14,919 --> 00:15:15,519 of those people. 263 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:19,919 Speaker 3: But there is a collection of individuals out there that say, 264 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:23,159 you know what, I want to know why I do it, 265 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:25,919 not just because I do it, I want to know why. 266 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:29,399 And that was the concept of the CMECP program is 267 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:32,480 to take good electricians, make them great electricians by teaching 268 00:15:32,519 --> 00:15:37,000 them the National Electrical Code or at the minimum validating 269 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:40,759 what they know. Because they are master electricians. They've already 270 00:15:41,159 --> 00:15:46,480 qualified as master electricians. So all we're doing is building 271 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:50,759 on that knowledge base. And that's what the CMECP program 272 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:51,320 is going to do. 273 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 2: Now. 274 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:57,639 Speaker 3: Since its inception in twenty seventeen, we have not charged 275 00:15:57,679 --> 00:16:00,480 a renewal for any CMECP. So for the that say 276 00:16:00,519 --> 00:16:04,039 it was a money gram, it's not. I haven't charged renewals. 277 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:08,159 We haven't put a renewal in effect. That's on the 278 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:11,679 table here in August for my review board to look 279 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:16,440 at for twenty twenty six to initiate a renewal in 280 00:16:16,759 --> 00:16:20,600 some qualification requirements saying that you have to meet certain 281 00:16:20,799 --> 00:16:25,360 annual or bi annual or every two years qualifications. That's 282 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:29,360 all on the table. But since its inception and here 283 00:16:29,399 --> 00:16:33,120 we are now we're in twenty twenty five, Okay, so. 284 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 2: That is quite a few years ago. 285 00:16:36,159 --> 00:16:38,559 Speaker 3: Rolling in on a a couple of years, it'll be 286 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:42,039 a decade, and so the fact that we have not 287 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:47,679 charged any renewals is amazing. Secondly, one thing to remember 288 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:51,639 about the CBCP program that just out answer this question 289 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:53,879 that people ask when they say it's a money grab. 290 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:57,440 If it was a money grab, then we would let 291 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:02,240 anybody in that's a master electrician. We would let anybody 292 00:17:02,919 --> 00:17:06,200 just in the program. Right, There's many programs out there 293 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:09,559 that are that are not like ours because we focus 294 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:13,319 on a specific criteria. But there are some other stuff 295 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:16,119 out there that basically you pay the fee, you take 296 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:17,440 a test, and you're in. 297 00:17:18,839 --> 00:17:23,039 Speaker 2: Ours is not like that. So the the failure rate 298 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:24,119 is extremely high. 299 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:26,640 Speaker 3: Now, a lot of people say, Paul and some other 300 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:29,599 cbcps have said, Paul, why do you say it that way? 301 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:33,480 Because it scares people away. You know what, I if 302 00:17:33,519 --> 00:17:35,519 you're a master electrician and you're trying to take your 303 00:17:35,559 --> 00:17:37,400 game to the next level, you don't want to just 304 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:41,119 pay some money to get a a a worthless certification 305 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:43,759 that means nothing. You need to earn it, and so 306 00:17:44,039 --> 00:17:47,160 you should expect things to be pretty tough. Really, I 307 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:50,319 mean I would think that that in doing so, now 308 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:53,680 tough is relevant. Okay, so it is just the NEC. 309 00:17:54,519 --> 00:17:57,480 I think what's tough about our program is that at 310 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:01,039 this point, it's the evolution of it has gotten it 311 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:04,599 down to where it's a four month program, and I 312 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:07,519 think the biggest failure And again people ask, what's the 313 00:18:07,599 --> 00:18:08,160 failure rate? 314 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,200 Speaker 2: Well, I don't know the numbers. I probably should have 315 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:13,759 looked at the numbers before. But let's just. 316 00:18:13,759 --> 00:18:19,160 Speaker 3: Say in a year's time, only about two people make 317 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:21,799 it through the CMBCP program. And you're saying, well, that's 318 00:18:21,839 --> 00:18:26,880 okay if only two people applied. No, we get well 319 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:30,480 near one hundred people that apply a year, and the 320 00:18:30,559 --> 00:18:32,599 reason they don't make it through it is either they 321 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:36,440 run out of time, or they fail the program, or 322 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:40,319 they fail the units. In the units, they don't maintain 323 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:43,559 eighty percent and they get multiple shots at it and 324 00:18:43,599 --> 00:18:45,839 they just you know, we don't. We don't give second 325 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:49,519 chances because that would that would screw up the integrity 326 00:18:49,519 --> 00:18:50,200 of the program. 327 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:54,880 Speaker 2: And very rarely do we we have zero. 328 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:58,279 Speaker 3: That that fail out of the program once they make 329 00:18:58,319 --> 00:19:02,519 it to the last stage, which is at the essay stage. Now, 330 00:19:02,559 --> 00:19:05,440 in the early part, when we started this program, it 331 00:19:05,519 --> 00:19:09,599 wasn't an essay. It was a five on one and 332 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:12,240 I was the moderator, but I did not ask any 333 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:14,759 of the questions. And we have five of our advisory 334 00:19:14,759 --> 00:19:19,119 board members from the CECP program who either were earned 335 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:22,240 their program or they were granted it based on the 336 00:19:22,279 --> 00:19:25,680 acknowledgment through our boarder directors of their years of commitment 337 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:30,839 to the industry and validated and they were nominated. And 338 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:34,599 early on those folks were nominated by me because I 339 00:19:34,839 --> 00:19:37,400 worked with them. I knew who they are, I knew 340 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:40,680 their commitment to the industry, and so that's a big thing. 341 00:19:41,279 --> 00:19:43,960 And so you have to start somewhere with the board. 342 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:47,000 And so what we started with was people we knew 343 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:50,799 were very knowledgeable in the industry. And have we offered 344 00:19:50,839 --> 00:19:53,480 this to some people that have rejected it. Absolutely. We 345 00:19:53,559 --> 00:19:59,599 have prime example, Vince Delacrots, good friend of mine, very knowledgeable, 346 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:00,519 he reached rejected it. 347 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:01,319 Speaker 2: He didn't. 348 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:04,440 Speaker 3: He says that it wasn't at a at a point 349 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:08,039 of growth where he felt like he could have, you know, 350 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:09,960 he could tie his name to it, and I get it. 351 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:14,119 Another great example is Brian Holland and in NIEMA he 352 00:20:14,759 --> 00:20:17,359 rejected it pretty much was told by Niema he had 353 00:20:17,519 --> 00:20:19,599 to reject it one because it was tied to me. 354 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:20,799 Speaker 2: And I get that. 355 00:20:21,039 --> 00:20:23,079 Speaker 3: So it's fine, you know, I don't I don't have 356 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:26,799 a problem with that. But what they don't understand. It's 357 00:20:26,839 --> 00:20:29,079 it's less mean, it's more it's all it's all about 358 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:30,680 the corporation and and everything. 359 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 2: But it's it's okay, that's fine. 360 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:37,599 Speaker 3: So there have been some others that have you know, 361 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:41,240 that that has taken place, and that's their choice. We 362 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:43,720 certainly don't want to bring people on just to use 363 00:20:43,759 --> 00:20:47,839 their name, right, So you know, if that's how somebody 364 00:20:47,839 --> 00:20:49,920 would feel, then we certainly don't want them part of 365 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:50,480 the program. 366 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:52,640 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't be pointless. 367 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:56,039 Speaker 3: So it's all about integrity in what you want to 368 00:20:56,039 --> 00:20:57,759 bring to the to the program. 369 00:20:58,079 --> 00:20:59,759 Speaker 2: And so that's all very important to me. 370 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:05,440 Speaker 3: Now we have the collection of cmecps currently right now 371 00:21:05,519 --> 00:21:08,799 there are sixteen. People ask me that question all the time, 372 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:11,119 as they say, only sixteen and you've been around since 373 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:16,359 twenty seventeen. Absolutely correct, because again, at the end of 374 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:19,640 the day, it is a program you have to earn. 375 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,160 It's not given. I don't give these out. I don't 376 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:25,799 have the ability to give them out. It goes through 377 00:21:25,839 --> 00:21:27,599 the board of directors. Now you say, Paul, what do 378 00:21:27,599 --> 00:21:31,079 you mean, what's your board of directors? Okay, again, there's 379 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:35,440 two different things. There is what I call a board 380 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:40,160 that I. Basically it's separate from the CMECP. It's a 381 00:21:40,279 --> 00:21:44,559 voluntary board through our company, the Electric Code Academy that 382 00:21:44,839 --> 00:21:49,640 I know, well have them review things I do before 383 00:21:49,799 --> 00:21:55,640 I make decisions. So it's basically just you know, they 384 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:59,240 review the competency of my actions. 385 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 2: How about that? Uh? 386 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:04,400 Speaker 3: And it's voluntary, but I agree to listen to their 387 00:22:04,559 --> 00:22:05,240 what they say. 388 00:22:05,839 --> 00:22:09,680 Speaker 2: The next is the is the CMECP. 389 00:22:09,279 --> 00:22:14,400 Speaker 3: Advisory Board, which are select members of the cmec program 390 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:19,440 who will do things like reviewing essays. Uh. And we've 391 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,640 opened it lately up to more than just the CMECP 392 00:22:22,759 --> 00:22:26,720 Advisory Board because we feel that the CMECP as a 393 00:22:26,759 --> 00:22:30,799 body should have more of a voting say, when somebody 394 00:22:30,839 --> 00:22:34,720 gets to let's say, the essay stage. And so when 395 00:22:34,759 --> 00:22:37,400 you get to the essay stage means that you've already 396 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:41,359 gone through the four weeks, you've passed all exams, you've 397 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:44,839 submitted them, they've been graded, you've gone through all of that, 398 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,440 and then you sat for a procted recorded exam. 399 00:22:48,559 --> 00:22:50,880 Speaker 2: Every one of them is recorded and kept on a file. 400 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 3: In fact, it's a two or maybe it's a one, 401 00:22:54,079 --> 00:22:56,880 I don't remember what it is, a two terabyte Samsung 402 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:02,400 SSD drive that we just keep and back up and 403 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,279 that has all of the videos, that keeps everything that 404 00:23:05,319 --> 00:23:08,519 we do in a zoom record it. We download it 405 00:23:08,599 --> 00:23:11,200 and we put it on that file. Okay, we keep 406 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:15,480 it there so it's kept internally. And at the end 407 00:23:15,519 --> 00:23:18,359 of the day they have to pass the proctered exam 408 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:20,400 and we say proctor. Now, some people say, okay, you 409 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:23,279 say procter, Paul, Is it proctor by a third party? 410 00:23:23,319 --> 00:23:26,799 It doesn't have to be, folks, we're the administers of 411 00:23:26,839 --> 00:23:30,440 the program. We're the corporation. Well, you say, it brings 412 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:34,839 more credibility to what. We're not trying to get government funding, 413 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:39,519 We're not trying to get some other status within the 414 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:43,920 industry in order to require third party. If at some 415 00:23:44,039 --> 00:23:47,079 point we partner with companies and then they want to 416 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,920 do that, that's perfectly fine. But that is the reason 417 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:50,799 we record it. 418 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:51,680 Speaker 2: Okay. 419 00:23:51,839 --> 00:23:55,359 Speaker 3: So it's a proctered recorded exam so that that anybody, 420 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,880 upon requests can have and at the end of the 421 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:04,200 day we validate every CMMECP that it's gone through these steps. 422 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,799 Speaker 2: Now again, look, I'm. 423 00:24:07,599 --> 00:24:10,759 Speaker 3: Perfectly aware that there are the haters out there that 424 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:15,880 just don't like me. For whatever reason. That again is 425 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,319 not why we created the CMMECP program. 426 00:24:18,559 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 2: Okay, let's be clear. 427 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,440 Speaker 3: It is really and that is why it really hasn't 428 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:28,960 been something that we've pushed nationally very hard, because at 429 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,960 the end of the day, it's not a money grab. 430 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:34,400 And that's still say they'll say, oh, it's Paul just 431 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,319 trying to do a money grab for the corporation. 432 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:38,920 Speaker 2: I think when you. 433 00:24:38,839 --> 00:24:43,279 Speaker 3: See that we only have sixteen cmecps around the country, 434 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,640 it's because the people. That's and we're very open about it. 435 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,079 We promoted it. If you think we're not getting applicants, 436 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:54,240 you're you're wrong. But at the end of the day, 437 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,519 very you know, a small percentage of people make it 438 00:24:57,559 --> 00:25:01,200 through the program, and it's not because it's hard. Code 439 00:25:01,279 --> 00:25:03,799 is code. We're gonna teach you what you need to 440 00:25:03,839 --> 00:25:06,440 know in the program. But you're also a master electrician, 441 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:10,319 so you also have this inherent knowledge right that you 442 00:25:10,759 --> 00:25:14,559 that you've that you have by passing your original licensing exam. 443 00:25:15,039 --> 00:25:18,680 But we remember that licensing exams are simply gateways. It 444 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:22,200 gets you into being a master electrician, but by far tea, 445 00:25:22,319 --> 00:25:24,920 you know you are not a master of your craft 446 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:29,119 by just getting your master's license. So what the CMECP 447 00:25:29,319 --> 00:25:34,359 program does is trying to take a master electrician and 448 00:25:34,559 --> 00:25:37,440 enhance their knowledge and bring them up to speed or 449 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:42,480 validate their knowledge in the National Electrical Code. And we're 450 00:25:42,519 --> 00:25:46,519 always doing the latest published edition, which currently is the 451 00:25:46,559 --> 00:25:50,240 twenty twenty three edition. So even if a CMECP candidate 452 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,519 was in another state that's on the twenty twenty, it 453 00:25:53,559 --> 00:25:56,440 doesn't matter. They have to go through the program on 454 00:25:56,519 --> 00:25:59,119 the twenty twenty three. Why because we want them to 455 00:25:59,319 --> 00:26:03,400 always be to date with the latest, the latest code edition. 456 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:07,079 That is part of our by law. That's our requirements. 457 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:11,559 That's just how it is. So it's not like we 458 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:13,279 tailor it and say, okay, you can do yours on 459 00:26:13,279 --> 00:26:15,720 the twenty seventeen, you can do yours on the twenty twenty. 460 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:16,559 Speaker 2: That type of thing. 461 00:26:16,839 --> 00:26:20,079 Speaker 3: Now, another question somebody asks, is anybody ever been kicked 462 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:23,200 out of the CMBCP program. Any answer is yes, one 463 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:29,839 individual has been banned or removed based on poor professional 464 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:34,799 etiquette and they have been removed. Okay, and most people 465 00:26:34,799 --> 00:26:37,039 would know who that individual is, but they've been removed 466 00:26:37,079 --> 00:26:42,279 from the program because they have done unethical things and 467 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:47,640 that warrants their removal from the program. We hold all 468 00:26:47,759 --> 00:26:53,319 cbcps at the highest regard, so selling things that are illegal, 469 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:59,880 promoting things that are against the law, selling fake material, 470 00:27:00,799 --> 00:27:03,519 all these type of things, in our mind are unethical, 471 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:09,720 and so we removed them from the program. Okay. Now, 472 00:27:09,759 --> 00:27:12,279 the other question people say is how many of them 473 00:27:12,319 --> 00:27:16,960 have you have been awarded? Of those sixteen, six have 474 00:27:17,039 --> 00:27:20,279 been awarded, and they've been awarded to people that are 475 00:27:20,319 --> 00:27:24,839 in the industry like Marty Schumacher, who people know in Maryland, 476 00:27:24,839 --> 00:27:27,440 who's a very well known educator. He's also a former 477 00:27:29,279 --> 00:27:33,680 top gun like me with Mike Holt, that type of thing. 478 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,440 So you know that there's different individuals out there that 479 00:27:38,559 --> 00:27:42,720 have definitely been awarded based on their commitment to the 480 00:27:42,759 --> 00:27:46,839 industry in the validation that we can make of that commitment. Okay, 481 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:51,079 and so yeah, so we have that and they're part 482 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:54,240 of what we call the original body. Do we have 483 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,880 any I shouldn't say removed? Yes, I'll take that back. 484 00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:00,200 We have another one that was removed because they they 485 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,759 do not interact with the program. There was a gentleman 486 00:28:03,839 --> 00:28:06,759 that was on you know, Mike Hole Videos with me 487 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:11,240 back in twenty two thousand and seven, who was an 488 00:28:11,279 --> 00:28:12,640 original CMEACP. 489 00:28:13,319 --> 00:28:15,680 Speaker 2: But whether it's email change, whatever. 490 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:20,279 Speaker 3: It is that he's not in the program anymore because 491 00:28:20,279 --> 00:28:23,839 we can't communicate with him. He doesn't communicate, he doesn't respond, 492 00:28:24,279 --> 00:28:28,160 so we removed him from the program. Okay, And that's 493 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,039 the beauty of the fact that it's a renewal program. 494 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,680 Now we haven't charged any renewals, but it does renew 495 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,400 every two years, and so there are rules in there 496 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,559 that say if you ignore or you do not participate 497 00:28:39,599 --> 00:28:41,839 in the program, then you're out of the program. Because 498 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,079 part of being the volunteer are the ones that was 499 00:28:44,119 --> 00:28:48,480 awarded CMECP at the beginning. Is the awarding, it is 500 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,880 part of it is your participation in the program. If 501 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:55,640 you're not going to answer or you're not going to 502 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:59,039 participate payton a program, whether you got a new email 503 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,759 or whatever, something whatever happened, whatever that happens, if you're 504 00:29:02,799 --> 00:29:05,680 not going to participate in it, then we're you know, 505 00:29:05,759 --> 00:29:07,000 you just removed from the program. 506 00:29:07,079 --> 00:29:10,039 Speaker 2: You have to be active in it now some of 507 00:29:10,039 --> 00:29:11,319 the things that are gonna be changing. 508 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,359 Speaker 3: I figured i'd answer this because I know that some 509 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,519 of the cmecps out there watch programs, listen to our 510 00:29:16,559 --> 00:29:20,839 podcast is that we're gearing up here for twenty twenty 511 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,480 six to be an extremely important year for us. 512 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 2: It is it'd be our ninth year. 513 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,599 Speaker 3: In the of the program, and what we're doing is 514 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:34,079 we're going to be gearing up to make sure that 515 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,079 we have a lot more on the back end for 516 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:42,039 those those cmecps UH in a way, a location which 517 00:29:42,079 --> 00:29:43,440 where they can all come together. 518 00:29:43,559 --> 00:29:44,480 Speaker 2: We do have it now. 519 00:29:44,519 --> 00:29:47,079 Speaker 3: They can log in to our website, but we don't 520 00:29:47,119 --> 00:29:49,279 share a whole lot in there, because again, the CEMECP 521 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:53,079 program is really not about us giving you things. It's 522 00:29:53,319 --> 00:29:57,079 it's you earning the ability to use until other people 523 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,519 of your achievement and we validated. How you use it 524 00:30:00,519 --> 00:30:02,799 and promote it is really up to you. It's no 525 00:30:02,839 --> 00:30:05,720 different than if you get an IEI certification or an 526 00:30:05,839 --> 00:30:07,279 NFPA certification. 527 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:08,839 Speaker 2: They're not going to give you anything. 528 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,759 Speaker 3: They'll give you a certification, they'll tell you you can 529 00:30:11,839 --> 00:30:15,279 use their acronym, and then they acknowledge that you went 530 00:30:15,319 --> 00:30:16,079 through a program. 531 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:17,279 Speaker 2: What we do the same thing. 532 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,839 Speaker 3: We do the exact same thing, uh, But we think 533 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:24,279 our program is different because on all of those you 534 00:30:24,359 --> 00:30:27,319 just take a test. On ours, you have to literally 535 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,079 be a master electrician or equivalent, and you have to 536 00:30:31,079 --> 00:30:33,200 go through the four month of what I call the 537 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:37,240 crucible of training. It's unlike any other program out there 538 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:41,759 in the industry. It's literally designed and it's you know what, 539 00:30:41,839 --> 00:30:42,559 here's what I say. 540 00:30:43,079 --> 00:30:43,839 Speaker 2: Don't trust me. 541 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 3: Find a CMEMECP out there, whether it's on LinkedIn, you'll 542 00:30:48,039 --> 00:30:50,079 see them. They use the acronym behind their name. They 543 00:30:50,079 --> 00:30:53,160 earned it. Ask them, ask them about their experience. 544 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 2: Now if they say, well, they haven't given me a 545 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:56,960 bunch of stuff. 546 00:30:56,839 --> 00:31:01,319 Speaker 3: That's not what you paid for, Okay, the CCP program 547 00:31:01,559 --> 00:31:04,519 like the NFPA program. I mean, I'll be honest with you. 548 00:31:04,559 --> 00:31:09,359 I've served on NFPA committees for ten years. They haven't 549 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:13,440 given me shit. I'm just saying. I mean that's you know. 550 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,160 Everybody looks at it and goes, ooh, he serves on 551 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,799 the NPA. They don't give me anything. I pay for link. 552 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,240 They don't give us link. Okay, I pay for that myself. 553 00:31:22,839 --> 00:31:26,079 So these certifications out there are not giving you anything 554 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:31,359 other than the certification. But it's it's the process. So 555 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:35,480 we are ready put you at a high esteem because 556 00:31:35,519 --> 00:31:39,359 you're a master or equivalent. Then we test your knowledge 557 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,720 over a four month period. You finish as quick as 558 00:31:42,759 --> 00:31:44,839 you want, or you can take the full four months. 559 00:31:45,279 --> 00:31:49,559 You have to pass every unit, every unit, and they're 560 00:31:49,559 --> 00:31:52,599 not negotiable. These aren't argumentative units. This isn't where you 561 00:31:52,599 --> 00:31:54,960 can you can you say well I think this question 562 00:31:55,079 --> 00:31:57,839 is wrong. It's it doesn't work like that. You don't 563 00:31:57,839 --> 00:32:01,440 get that option. Okay, you say well I could have 564 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,759 my own opinion. No, you can't, not in the cmec 565 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:08,200 P program because it's built around solid code. 566 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:12,200 Speaker 2: In the NEEC it's not opinions. It's not an opinion piece. 567 00:32:13,279 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 3: So you go through it and and uh and then 568 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:18,839 you get through it, and then you then you then 569 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:23,079 you get hit with the Procter recorded exam and then 570 00:32:23,119 --> 00:32:26,759 after that you still have to do an essay. Now 571 00:32:26,799 --> 00:32:28,759 it is on the table to bring back the five 572 00:32:28,839 --> 00:32:31,599 on one or some iteration of that, like a three 573 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,960 on one, because but you know again, I I'll see 574 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,359 what the what the board says and we'll discuss it. 575 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,279 And it's also now going to be shared with the 576 00:32:40,279 --> 00:32:43,640 CMME CPS for them to give their opinion as well. 577 00:32:44,319 --> 00:32:47,119 Speaker 2: So that's something new, right, that's gonna be new. 578 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 3: They're they're gonna have even the body is going to 579 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,519 have a lot more say so all of the members, 580 00:32:53,559 --> 00:32:55,440 all the CMMECP members are going to have a bot 581 00:32:55,599 --> 00:32:59,119 have a say in these votes as well, and they're 582 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:03,799 going to have a law large vote because they're the majority. 583 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,559 Speaker 2: So that's so many changes in the program. 584 00:33:07,599 --> 00:33:10,119 Speaker 3: Now, when somebody asks me about the or equivalent, I 585 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,039 have to explain to people that not every state has 586 00:33:13,079 --> 00:33:14,039 a master license. 587 00:33:14,359 --> 00:33:19,079 Speaker 2: Okay, so like an Ohio, they might have a just. 588 00:33:19,079 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 3: A electrician contractor okay, uh, if they don't have a 589 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,119 master if they don't have it, and you and we 590 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,079 will verify this when you submit your application or your 591 00:33:29,119 --> 00:33:34,359 inquiry if if the state has an electoral contractor's license 592 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,759 and they don't have a master's license, and we consider 593 00:33:36,799 --> 00:33:39,759 the electrical contractor's license equivalent to the master. 594 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,160 Speaker 2: So that's what we mean by equivalent. 595 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:48,240 Speaker 3: Uh So, and so that that so that's for those 596 00:33:48,279 --> 00:33:50,319 people that are interested in the program and they say, well, 597 00:33:50,319 --> 00:33:53,000 I'm not a master, then you may be equivalent, right. 598 00:33:53,519 --> 00:33:53,680 Speaker 2: Uh. 599 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:55,519 Speaker 3: The other thing that people ask us, they say, well, 600 00:33:55,559 --> 00:33:59,400 I'm a I'm a journeyman electrician okay, and I want 601 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,200 to be a master. Got you, But I also want 602 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,400 to be in the CMACP program and and can I 603 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:04,839 do it. 604 00:34:04,839 --> 00:34:07,599 Speaker 2: Parallel with my studying to be a master. 605 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,440 Speaker 3: And actually that's the best value out there on the 606 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:15,000 market because we have a journeyman program that's twelve month access. 607 00:34:16,039 --> 00:34:17,679 Speaker 2: You get to access it for twelve. 608 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:22,159 Speaker 3: Months, and in that twelve months you have you can 609 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:23,719 You have to still have to go through the same 610 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,360 thing that the normal CMMECP goes through. You still have 611 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,559 the same exams you gotta submit. You just get a 612 00:34:28,599 --> 00:34:29,599 lot more time. 613 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:29,800 Speaker 2: To do it. 614 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,000 Speaker 3: You're not under the four month crunch. You with me, 615 00:34:33,639 --> 00:34:36,360 you get more time. You get twelve months with the 616 00:34:36,559 --> 00:34:40,400 with the with the caveat is that by the end 617 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,519 of that twelve months or sooner, you have to have 618 00:34:43,599 --> 00:34:47,679 passed your Master's exam. If you pass your Master's exam, 619 00:34:48,199 --> 00:34:50,719 that was a goal you had you become a master Electrician. 620 00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:55,280 And then secondly, you have completed all of the units 621 00:34:55,360 --> 00:35:00,760 in the CMECP program, then you have if you're able 622 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:05,239 to go straight to the proctered exam, and then you 623 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,159 get past the procter, then you go to the essay. 624 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,400 But it just gives you a little longer in the program, 625 00:35:10,639 --> 00:35:13,440 and it allows people to join it, even if you're 626 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:17,239 a journeyman electrician. And since it's a longer time, it's 627 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,960 more of a commitment. From our end, it's a more 628 00:35:20,119 --> 00:35:26,199 cost intensive thing to constantly monitor, keep tracked and everything. 629 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:30,360 So there is a price difference for that, obviously, but 630 00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,480 it is also if you think about it, and you 631 00:35:33,559 --> 00:35:38,159 deduct the cost of exam prep course, then at the 632 00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:41,159 end of the day, it's not that big a deal. 633 00:35:41,199 --> 00:35:44,800 It's about the same as a normal CCP program. So 634 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,679 to each his own, and we were not twisting anybody's 635 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:52,719 arm to do it that type of thing. We're perfectly 636 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,400 happy with it staying at sixteen or growing. 637 00:35:55,639 --> 00:35:58,119 Speaker 2: It's fine. Now. One of the things we are doing 638 00:35:58,199 --> 00:35:59,599 is we are looking for partners. 639 00:36:00,519 --> 00:36:04,519 Speaker 3: We would love to partner with a large major manufacturer, 640 00:36:05,039 --> 00:36:08,480 can be a you know, a wiring cable manufacturer, an 641 00:36:08,519 --> 00:36:13,840 electrical equipment manufacturer or whatever, who believes in education, who 642 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:21,920 believes in pushing education uh and uh making better electricians. Uh. 643 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,960 So we're looking for those partners that want to do that. 644 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:30,599 We would love to use the CMECP program and tie 645 00:36:30,639 --> 00:36:34,199 it to the EATON program. We'd love to tie it 646 00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,880 to prismium I work for Prismium. I've never presented it 647 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:40,280 to Prismium. We'd love to offer it to Prismium. We're 648 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:45,400 not looking for exclusive exclusivity with anybody. We just want 649 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:51,320 people to understand that the whole concept, the whole concept 650 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:55,960 of the CMEMECP is to force people to understand that 651 00:36:56,000 --> 00:37:00,039 the National Electrical Code is important and by taking that 652 00:37:00,119 --> 00:37:04,360 extra step, you raise the bar over everybody else that's 653 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,800 just happy with the status quo. If you just want 654 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,239 to be a journey i mean master electrician and you 655 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,760 just want to make that paycheck and clock in and 656 00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:13,920 clock out, that's fine. 657 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,280 Speaker 2: We have zero problem with that. We need you, God 658 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:17,760 bless you. 659 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:23,960 Speaker 3: But there are an element of electricians that want to 660 00:37:24,039 --> 00:37:28,079 take their game to the very next level, and that's 661 00:37:28,119 --> 00:37:29,079 who we're targeting. 662 00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:30,119 Speaker 2: That's who we. 663 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:34,320 Speaker 3: Want in the CMBCP program. And so don't ask yourself 664 00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,760 what we can do for you, ask it what it 665 00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:40,800 can do for you personally in the industry, whether it's 666 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:45,519 your marketing, whether it's promotion, whether it's acknowledgment of your 667 00:37:45,559 --> 00:37:49,639 skill set, however you use it, Okay, it is up 668 00:37:49,639 --> 00:37:51,880 to you and the ability for you to be able 669 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,599 to have a program that you can point to anybody 670 00:37:55,079 --> 00:37:58,639 you hire, people that hire you, pet contractors, anybody, and say, 671 00:37:58,679 --> 00:38:01,199 you know what, if you want to validate, here's where 672 00:38:01,199 --> 00:38:02,280 you can go to validate it. 673 00:38:03,519 --> 00:38:07,039 Speaker 2: We will validate it. We will say absolutely. 674 00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,320 Speaker 3: This person is a CMBCP and it went through our 675 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,800 program and we are at corporation. Don't kid yourself. This 676 00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,239 is not a sole proprietor. This is not Paul Abernathy 677 00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,480 just sitting at home. This is a corporation. We've been 678 00:38:17,519 --> 00:38:21,119 around for a while. We started in Virginia, then we 679 00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:25,079 moved to Texas, and then we came back to Virginia 680 00:38:25,519 --> 00:38:28,880 and incorporated back in Virginia. So we have a long 681 00:38:29,039 --> 00:38:32,880 history of being involved in this industry. I've been around 682 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:33,639 a long time. 683 00:38:34,039 --> 00:38:34,719 Speaker 2: Hate me or. 684 00:38:34,679 --> 00:38:39,920 Speaker 3: Love me, it's irrelevant to promoting yourself as the elite, 685 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,320 the next gen and when it comes to AI and 686 00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:45,559 I'm gonna be honest with you, as we start needing 687 00:38:45,639 --> 00:38:49,320 more electricians in all this big hiring boom. One of 688 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,199 our big missions with the CMBCP program, and that is 689 00:38:52,199 --> 00:38:55,280 why we're starting it next year and is the push 690 00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:58,639 for the tenth anniversary in the next following year. Is 691 00:38:58,679 --> 00:39:01,719 the fact that we want to make sure that when 692 00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:05,559 they hire these elite electricians, these best of the best, 693 00:39:06,159 --> 00:39:09,039 we want them to be cmecps. We want these data 694 00:39:09,079 --> 00:39:12,400 centers to say, you know what, I'm not hiring it 695 00:39:12,519 --> 00:39:15,920 unless they have the CMECP credential. So that's going to 696 00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,159 be a big effort of us to try to make 697 00:39:18,199 --> 00:39:22,559 sure because what we want to do is say, hey, look, Google, Amazon, 698 00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:26,079 all you companies that do the AI, all you big industries, 699 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,480 don't you want the best of the best. Don't you 700 00:39:29,519 --> 00:39:31,920 want your leaders to be cmecps. Don't you want your 701 00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,199 lead electricians to be cbsps. And they go why Because 702 00:39:35,199 --> 00:39:38,960 they have your best interests at heart. They know the code, 703 00:39:39,079 --> 00:39:42,159 they know that the installs are going to be done right, okay. 704 00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:45,639 They have a network of like minded individuals who are 705 00:39:45,639 --> 00:39:49,079 at the top of their profession, their top of their 706 00:39:49,119 --> 00:39:54,440 electrical trade experts in the industry. All of that is 707 00:39:54,559 --> 00:39:57,679 good for you and your company, and it's also good 708 00:39:57,679 --> 00:40:00,400 for your workers, and it sets the tone. We have 709 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:05,119 ethics requirements and professionalism and all that kind of stuff. 710 00:40:05,599 --> 00:40:08,039 And at the end of the day, it's not like 711 00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,800 any other program out there. And I'm not just saying 712 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:13,719 that the de cliche, get a piece of paper, write 713 00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:18,639 it down. Do your research on the IAEI certification, which 714 00:40:18,679 --> 00:40:21,599 is for inspectors, by the way, do your research on 715 00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:27,320 the stuff for NFPA Certify Professional Safety whatever. Look at 716 00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,800 it and see what the requirements are, See what the 717 00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,880 testing is, See the dedication of the amount of time 718 00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:35,880 it takes. And I think you're going to see that 719 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,800 there is absolutely nothing like the CMEMECP program, and everybody 720 00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:43,679 else tries to copy it, but they can't because of 721 00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:48,280 the four month the procter and the essay, all combined 722 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,199 with the fact that you already have to be at 723 00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:54,320 a certain level of criteria at the end of the day, 724 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,199 that's what creates the CMECP program. 725 00:40:57,519 --> 00:40:58,280 Speaker 2: That's what it is. 726 00:40:59,039 --> 00:41:04,320 Speaker 3: And so we're looking for partners, other associations, other institutions 727 00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,320 that want to partner with us, and we'll take care 728 00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,360 of the training, we'll take care of the education, will 729 00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:15,519 take care of making good electricians better electricians, uh. And 730 00:41:15,599 --> 00:41:18,960 that's what's going to grow the CMBCP program. And we 731 00:41:19,039 --> 00:41:21,599 think it's the best thing out there for master electricians 732 00:41:21,639 --> 00:41:24,480 or equivalents. So if you're interested in it, you want 733 00:41:24,519 --> 00:41:28,400 more information on the CBCP program, or understanding that in 734 00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,599 the future we're going to need more electricians, and we're 735 00:41:30,599 --> 00:41:33,400 going to promote those electricians that are highly skilled. I 736 00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,519 don't want the just the guys that don't you know, 737 00:41:35,599 --> 00:41:38,480 let's say stuff like I can't see it from my house, right, 738 00:41:38,559 --> 00:41:41,199 We don't want those people. That is not who I'm 739 00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:44,159 interested in. That's not who the program is interested in. Okay, 740 00:41:44,639 --> 00:41:48,320 it may not be for everybody, but we're gonna heavily 741 00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:53,199 promote the need to have a CBCP certification, and we're 742 00:41:53,199 --> 00:41:55,880 gonna have letters going out to all of these main 743 00:41:56,079 --> 00:42:01,320 manufacturers and organizations requesting partnership. We're going to explain our program. 744 00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,400 We're going to offer education to them so that they 745 00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:07,960 know that they've got a resource for National Electric Code 746 00:42:08,039 --> 00:42:10,880 Education which is going to correlate with their products with 747 00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:14,960 the installation practices, and we will create courses and work 748 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:18,119 with them to create things that are necessary to be 749 00:42:18,159 --> 00:42:22,480 successful for all cmmecps and bring a rewarding benefit for 750 00:42:22,519 --> 00:42:23,119 our partners. 751 00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:23,800 Speaker 2: Okay. 752 00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,719 Speaker 3: And we're going to always strive to keep the costs 753 00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:30,719 down and even if we implement a renewal, it's still 754 00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:32,639 going to be every two years, and it's going to 755 00:42:32,639 --> 00:42:34,639 be very affordable, and it's going to have a criteria 756 00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,320 for a renewal that is very reasonable, but it's going 757 00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,119 to be challenging for the CMEMECP. So all of that 758 00:42:40,159 --> 00:42:43,320 type of stuff is coming and there'll be some cmmecps 759 00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,280 that's say no thank you because maybe they can't feel 760 00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,320 they can't meet that high bar. That's okay too. We 761 00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,599 appreciate the work they've done to get from point A 762 00:42:51,679 --> 00:42:55,400 to point B. But the program is growing and it's 763 00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:59,159 getting close to growing beyond my capability to be able 764 00:42:59,199 --> 00:43:04,960 to manage it as the director. But at some point 765 00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,559 we probably will find another director who can dedicate way 766 00:43:08,599 --> 00:43:11,400 more time than I can to it. But at this 767 00:43:11,519 --> 00:43:13,920 point we have to grow it, we have to expand it, 768 00:43:14,079 --> 00:43:16,639 we have to answer questions about it, and I'm here. 769 00:43:16,519 --> 00:43:16,920 Speaker 2: To do that. 770 00:43:17,119 --> 00:43:19,719 Speaker 3: All right, folks, All right, folks. Hopefully got something out 771 00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,840 of the day's episode. Again, it wasn't a sales piece. 772 00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,039 I hope you didn't take it for that. It was 773 00:43:25,119 --> 00:43:29,239 trying to explain my vision on what the CMECP program 774 00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,840 is about the future of the industry. Like I said, 775 00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:36,000 we have ais companies saying that they're going to need 776 00:43:36,039 --> 00:43:39,599 five hundred thousand electricians in the next ten years. The 777 00:43:39,679 --> 00:43:43,320 growth is amazing, Infrastructure is getting older. We want to 778 00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:47,400 position cbcps above the average master. We want people to 779 00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,760 choose them because of that mark and because of that 780 00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,760 commitment to the industry, not just the hands on but 781 00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,800 the mental part. Because you know what, we get paid 782 00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,079 to do it once, we don't get paid to do 783 00:43:59,119 --> 00:44:02,559 it twice. That's important thing to always remember. Till next time, folks, 784 00:44:02,559 --> 00:44:03,880 Stay safe, God bless. 785 00:44:04,599 --> 00:44:07,920 Speaker 1: Thanks for tuning into another electrifying episode of the Master 786 00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:12,000 of the ANEC podcast. We hope you're feeling more powered 787 00:44:12,079 --> 00:44:14,320 up and ready to tackle the electrical world with the 788 00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:18,599 knowledge and confidence you need to succeed. Remember, in the 789 00:44:18,639 --> 00:44:22,159 electrical trade, knowledge is power, and we're here to make 790 00:44:22,199 --> 00:44:25,480 sure you stay plugged into the latest insights, tips and 791 00:44:25,639 --> 00:44:30,920 code updates. If you enjoy today's episode, don't forget to subscribe, 792 00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:34,079 leave us a review, and share the podcast with your. 793 00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:35,960 Speaker 2: Fellow electricians and industry pros. 794 00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:41,199 Speaker 1: Until next time, keep your tools sharp, your circuits clear, 795 00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,039 and you're my focus because here at the Master of 796 00:44:44,039 --> 00:44:49,599 the ANEC podcast, we're all about sparking your success. Stay safe, 797 00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:54,119 stay smart, and keep mastering the trade from all of 798 00:44:54,199 --> 00:44:56,880 us here at Electrical Code Academy. Thank you for all 799 00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:58,880 your support and we will see you on the next 800 00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:03,880 Amazing Master of the an EC podcast episode 801 00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:07,199 Speaker 3: Mm hm