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<v Speaker 1>He's the pride of Norwich, Connecticut and an adopted son

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<v Speaker 1>of Salt Lake City. After forty years with the UTAZ,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no one better to talk some hoops. Richard Smitty

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<v Speaker 1>Smith is back on the Drive on ESPN seven hundred.

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<v Speaker 2>Because the fans are used to coming to a game,

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<v Speaker 2>no matter what it is, their son's high school game

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<v Speaker 2>or the college game, whoever it is, and trying to

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<v Speaker 2>watch your team put best its best foot forward to

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<v Speaker 2>try and win the game you're playing. And the Jazz

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<v Speaker 2>didn't do that this year. Obviously, they held out guys

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<v Speaker 2>who were healthy. They got fined along the way by

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<v Speaker 2>the NBA for doing that. It's just it's just not

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<v Speaker 2>a very good look to me for any organization that

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<v Speaker 2>puts themselves in that position.

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<v Speaker 3>They're not the only ones who were doing it, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Several other teams were in that same kind of race,

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<v Speaker 2>and the Jazz happened to win it by getting the

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<v Speaker 2>worst record. So we'll see what happens on May twelfth

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<v Speaker 2>when the lottery balls come up and and and see

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<v Speaker 2>how that that plays out for them.

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<v Speaker 4>Some dynamite analysis, I'm not sure who that was. It

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<v Speaker 4>soundedect Richard Smith, Well, May twelfth came and went yesterday,

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<v Speaker 4>and the lottery balls did not fall in the favor

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<v Speaker 4>of the Utah Jazz.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, I will remind you the Jazz.

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<v Speaker 4>Ended up with a pick that they were most likely

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<v Speaker 4>to get based off the percentages, even though the reaction

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<v Speaker 4>from folks around here is that the whole thing is

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<v Speaker 4>rigged and the fixes in. But Richard Smith is live

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<v Speaker 4>in studio during the four o'clock hour. My goodness, Smitty,

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<v Speaker 4>one of the most truly one of the most consequential

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<v Speaker 4>nights that the NBA has had in a long time

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<v Speaker 4>for several reasons. But of course we'll start with your

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<v Speaker 4>reaction to the Utah Jazz. I'll say, falling to five,

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<v Speaker 4>they could not fall any further than five, but they

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<v Speaker 4>fell as far as they could.

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<v Speaker 3>Where you at with it today, Yeah, well that's that's.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, that's what the numbers of your mathematician, that's what

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<v Speaker 2>you would expect, you know, would most probably happened. Of course,

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<v Speaker 2>you and I have bantered about this all all season long, Spence,

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<v Speaker 2>and and you were in the tank group. No, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just I'm just reviewing what the facts are. And

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<v Speaker 2>you know, people can take it for what they will.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I've I've said all along and I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>saying this in any way to pat myself on the

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<v Speaker 2>back or anything, but I'm not just I just can't

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<v Speaker 2>get on board with the whole idea that you try

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<v Speaker 2>and manipulate the system, or, in my opinion the way

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<v Speaker 2>I view it, you try and game the system to

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<v Speaker 2>try and get an artificial advantage for something that's that's

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<v Speaker 2>a professional sport where people are paid a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>money and trained to try and perform at the highest

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<v Speaker 2>level that they can night in, the night out, and

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<v Speaker 2>the jazz obviously, you know, we're in a in a

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<v Speaker 2>situation where they didn't play healthy players and they wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to be in the position they were in last night,

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<v Speaker 2>and then I don't know if it's karma, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if it's you know, you the old Jerry Sloan

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<v Speaker 2>saying that most of the time in life you get

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<v Speaker 2>what you earn. And you know, but you know a

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<v Speaker 2>part of me, you know, I feel bad because I'm

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<v Speaker 2>a jazz guy, and uh, I want them to do well.

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<v Speaker 2>And I have a lot of friends who still work

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<v Speaker 2>there and and work hard and try and do the

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<v Speaker 2>right thing and all that, but last night was was

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<v Speaker 2>a telling tale that that you can't you know, just

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<v Speaker 2>somehow manipulate these things to to put yourself in a

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<v Speaker 2>in a winning advantage and and and some somewhere in

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<v Speaker 2>that spence, for me on a personal level, it just

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<v Speaker 2>feels like, you know, this is this is what happened

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<v Speaker 2>can happen to you when you try and and and

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<v Speaker 2>not do what most people would consider the right thing,

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<v Speaker 2>or to do it to the best of your ability,

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<v Speaker 2>and and then you get something like what happened last night.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, and to your point, and maybe it's time to

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<v Speaker 4>start thinking about this a little differently. My assertion, uh

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<v Speaker 4>continues to be that the Utah Jazz have to find

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<v Speaker 4>a franchise pillar that wants to stay here for a while.

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<v Speaker 4>And if we're honest, we haven't had that since John

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<v Speaker 4>and Carl. We thought we had it with Gordon, we

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<v Speaker 4>thought we had it with Darren, we thought we had

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<v Speaker 4>it with Donovan. How do they find that, smitty, Well,

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<v Speaker 4>how do you do well? That's always a trick. And

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<v Speaker 4>and and the NBA the way it's set up, spencing

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<v Speaker 4>the collective Bargain Agreement, and and we've we've we've talked

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<v Speaker 4>about this before and and Gordon Hayward and and uh

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<v Speaker 4>is the perfect, a textbook example of how the system

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<v Speaker 4>is set up to work. And that is that if

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<v Speaker 4>you draft a guy and you develop him, and you

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<v Speaker 4>like him, and he's your guy, you know, for the

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<v Speaker 4>long term, at least that's what you plan for, the

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<v Speaker 4>team has control of that player basically for the first

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<v Speaker 4>half of their career. In other words, if you like

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<v Speaker 4>him and he's developing the way you want and you're

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<v Speaker 4>building with him or around him, and you want to

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<v Speaker 4>keep him long term, the team has control of him

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<v Speaker 4>for a minimum of seven years. In other words, you

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<v Speaker 4>got the four year rookie contract, and then he becomes

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<v Speaker 4>a restricted free agent, so you as a ball club

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<v Speaker 4>have the right to match any outside offer he might

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<v Speaker 4>get in order to retain him. So he doesn't have

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<v Speaker 4>any say in reality about where he plays the first

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<v Speaker 4>seven years of his contract. The back half of the contract.

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<v Speaker 4>Now the player controls where he wants to go. And

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<v Speaker 4>that's exactly what Gordon Hayward did.

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<v Speaker 2>He was here seven years, he had the player option

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<v Speaker 2>for the eighth year, he opted out. He got to

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<v Speaker 2>choose where he wanted to go, and he went off

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<v Speaker 2>to Boston and obviously then to Charlotte and and finished

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<v Speaker 2>his career. Okay, see, but that's that's that's how it's

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<v Speaker 2>set up to be. So, you know, a team like

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<v Speaker 2>last night, you know, Dallas ends up winning the lottery

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<v Speaker 2>a two percent chance to do it. That means they

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<v Speaker 2>had basically two out of one hundred chants to get it,

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<v Speaker 2>and they got it. And so okay, that's why, as

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<v Speaker 2>I've heard you mentioned before, that's why they call it

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<v Speaker 2>a lottery. And so they got the lottery ticket and

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<v Speaker 2>they won it, and so Dallas will have the chance

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<v Speaker 2>for the whoever they the presumptive number one pick. Everyone's

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<v Speaker 2>assuming it's it's a Cooper flag. And if we make

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<v Speaker 2>that assumption, they will have the control of a player

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<v Speaker 2>like him for at least a minimum of seven years

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<v Speaker 2>that they can plan on. And of course they try

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<v Speaker 2>and get him in the system and get him to

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<v Speaker 2>love them and blah blah blah, so that you end

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<v Speaker 2>up with a you know, hopefully John Stockton or a

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<v Speaker 2>Carl Malone type thing where you got the guy for

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen or seventeen years or whatever. If it works out,

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<v Speaker 2>but it doesn't. Usually it doesn't work out like that,

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<v Speaker 2>It usually works against you. But one of the things

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to mention Spence along with that. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know how you felt about this, but I'm watching the

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<v Speaker 2>program last night and I was I found myself somewhat

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<v Speaker 2>offended by or embarrassed by the way the league had

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<v Speaker 2>all these players at the at the at this lottery,

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<v Speaker 2>all the so called top pick players, and they paraded

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<v Speaker 2>them out, and they had some of them in interviews

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<v Speaker 2>before Hey, what do you think about the lottery? What

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<v Speaker 2>do you think the two kids from Rutgers? What do

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<v Speaker 2>you think about this kid? What do you think about yourself?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you know whatever? And all I could think

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<v Speaker 2>of the whole time was has any did anybody watch

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<v Speaker 2>the NFL draft? Did anybody pay any attention to all

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<v Speaker 2>the stuff that was going on with Shador Sanders And

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<v Speaker 2>he's supposed to be a top five pick and he

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<v Speaker 2>ends up going on the third day and how embarrassing

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<v Speaker 2>that was for him and everybody else who was saying

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<v Speaker 2>he's gonna be a top five guy. And hear the

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<v Speaker 2>NBA of praying these guys. And now they bring Cooper

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<v Speaker 2>fly to the to the table after the draft, and

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<v Speaker 2>there every one of the guys on the table asked

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<v Speaker 2>him a question directly about being a member of the

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<v Speaker 2>Dallas Mavericks. And I'm sitting there going, did I miss something?

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<v Speaker 3>Was the draft tonight? Because I thought the draft was

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<v Speaker 3>in six weeks.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, there's so much that can happen between now

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<v Speaker 2>and June twenty sixth. And we presume that they're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>keep the pick. We presume they're gonna take Cooper fly,

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<v Speaker 2>but a lot of things can happen.

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<v Speaker 3>Spence.

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<v Speaker 2>Item A on the table is Yiannis, and Gianna says,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, maybe I'll look at some other stuff and whatever. Now, wow,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and I'm surprised I didn't read anything today

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<v Speaker 2>where anybody said, oh, would if you were put in

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<v Speaker 2>the position, would you trade the number one pick right

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<v Speaker 2>now for Giannis?

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<v Speaker 3>Would you do that? As an organization?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Like, I'm surprised nobody said that, because you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Yannis is a real guy. He's already proven he's a

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<v Speaker 2>real guy, and he's in his prime. And you're telling me,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, teams wouldn't look and go, well, wait a minute, now,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to take an eighteen year old kid from

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<v Speaker 2>college or I can have Yannis in his prime to

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<v Speaker 2>go with my group because my job is to try

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<v Speaker 2>and see if I can get us to a championship level.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I mean, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's just that's an interesting question to me.

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<v Speaker 2>But I even't heard that. And that's because everybody on

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<v Speaker 2>the broadcast I was doing the whole broadcast aimed at

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<v Speaker 2>Cooper Flag is number one, and he's going, whoever gets

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<v Speaker 2>number one, and that's it, and we're all in on it,

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<v Speaker 2>and his parents are there, and everybody's sitting there, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going, does somebody have Deon Sanders number? Because somebody

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<v Speaker 2>should call him and say, hey, how is this for

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<v Speaker 2>you guys? When it didn't happen on the first day

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<v Speaker 2>of the draft, and then it didn't happen on the

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<v Speaker 2>second day of the I mean, I just thought that

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<v Speaker 2>was I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I know it's TV.

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<v Speaker 2>I know they're they're they're doing it for TV, But

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<v Speaker 2>I just I thought that was so egregious by the

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<v Speaker 2>NBA making all these presumptions about what they think is

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<v Speaker 2>already going to take place six weeks from now. For

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<v Speaker 2>some reason, I just found that little a little distasteful.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, it's a good angle to take because you've been

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<v Speaker 4>part of rooms for a number of different years, namely

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<v Speaker 4>for decades where you do have to make decisions, and

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<v Speaker 4>sometimes the decisions you make are completely counter to what

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<v Speaker 4>everyone on the on the outside looking in believes is

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<v Speaker 4>going to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 4>Tim McMahon, it was our guest last hour, wrote a

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<v Speaker 4>piece for the dot com side. It also is ESPN,

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<v Speaker 4>who's a partner with the NBA, of course, quoting Patrick

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<v Speaker 4>Demond saying we're not trading one and we.

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<v Speaker 3>Are taking Cooper flag.

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<v Speaker 4>But the reason why I like this angle is, look, man,

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<v Speaker 4>I can read all of the Jonathan Gavoni mock drafts

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<v Speaker 4>I want, and I can read all the guys over

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<v Speaker 4>at the Athletic do a really good job. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>there are a lot of really good NBA writers who

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<v Speaker 4>a way that I just don't day to day because

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<v Speaker 4>do lean on them, and you know, ultimately, at least

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<v Speaker 4>Gavoni has been very consistent that the order is Cooper flag.

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<v Speaker 3>Dylan Harper, Ace Bailey and VJ.

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<v Speaker 4>Edgecombe, and Gavoni's assertion is if you have one of

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<v Speaker 4>the top four picks in this draft, you have a

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<v Speaker 4>chance to draft a player that should be very special

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<v Speaker 4>for you for a long time. But I feel like

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<v Speaker 4>I hear that every year and there's a Kawhi mid

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<v Speaker 4>first round or even Steph goes seven and Steph is generational.

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<v Speaker 3>The best player in the world was the second round pick.

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<v Speaker 4>So for the Chicken, little Crew and saw Lake that

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<v Speaker 3>Well, well, Spencer's a couple of things.

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<v Speaker 2>One is the Jazz fell to number five, right, so

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<v Speaker 2>kept fascilating back and forth when he was saying who

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<v Speaker 2>the number five pick will be taken by the Utah Jazz.

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<v Speaker 2>And I kept thinking, well, you don't know if the

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<v Speaker 2>Utah Jazz are gonna take number five, the the the

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<v Speaker 2>number five pick will be going to the Utah Jazz.

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<v Speaker 2>It should be the phrase and be kept going back

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<v Speaker 2>and forth that you know a little semantic. That's that's

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<v Speaker 2>what I spend my nights doing that, picking apart that

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<v Speaker 2>kind of stuff. But anyway, but but look at this,

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<v Speaker 2>for example, Spence the most recent in the last decade,

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<v Speaker 2>the number five picks in the draft going backwards, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>starting last year. And you can tell me in need

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<v Speaker 2>jerk reaction. You like him, you don't like him. They

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<v Speaker 2>made it, they didn't make it, you know whatever. The

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<v Speaker 2>thing is number five picks. Ron Holland in Detroit.

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<v Speaker 3>Jerry is wildly still out on him.

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<v Speaker 2>Sar Thompson love it Detroit, Jade and Ivy. Yeah, by

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<v Speaker 2>the way, straight number five picks in Detroit and they

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<v Speaker 2>were that's exactly right, That's exactly right. Jalen Suggs in

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<v Speaker 2>Orlando mixed results isaka Carokay, Cleveland not great.

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<v Speaker 4>Darius Garland like him, Trey Young. I don't like Trey

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<v Speaker 4>as much as some people. I don't hate Trey as

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<v Speaker 4>much as something the Aaron Fox, I'd say that's a

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<v Speaker 2>Former jazz man Chris Dunn, probably not the pick you want.

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<v Speaker 2>Mario Hiszonia, same thing, okay, Alex lenn this is not

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<v Speaker 2>going well Smith, Thomas Robinson.

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<v Speaker 3>When do we get to the Kevin Garnetts and the Trailers.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, the Marcus Cousins, Ricky Rubio, Okay. So the point being,

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<v Speaker 2>you got some hits, you got some missus, Okay, at

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<v Speaker 2>number five. That's what happens. Flip it around. Okay, we're

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<v Speaker 2>watching the playoffs now right. Here's names for you of

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<v Speaker 2>guys who are contributing, guys on playoff teams.

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<v Speaker 3>That are still alive, which is what you want. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>These are the guys who are still helping to drive

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<v Speaker 2>the bus at this point in time, the middle of May,

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<v Speaker 2>in the NBA playoffs, and where they were taken in

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<v Speaker 2>the draft. Jalen Brunson thirty three, YEP, Mikal Bridges ten,

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<v Speaker 2>Peyton Pritchard twenty six, Max Struce undrafted, Podzemski nineteen, Jokic

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<v Speaker 2>forty one, Rudy Gobert twenty seven, Jane McDaniels twenty eight,

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<v Speaker 2>Josh Hart thirty, naz Reid undrafted. Point being what you

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<v Speaker 2>can find players anywhere in the draft or even not

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<v Speaker 2>in the draft, as we just said with Struce, naz Reid,

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<v Speaker 2>and former jazz Man Wesley Matthews, who had a terrific

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<v Speaker 2>career being undrafted. But as an organization, you have to

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<v Speaker 2>you have to be able to find them. You have

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<v Speaker 2>to evaluate them accurately, you have to value what they

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<v Speaker 2>make an assessment if that, if that, adding a player

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<v Speaker 2>like that to your group is going to make sense.

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<v Speaker 2>So this whole thing, you know, last night, everybody's disappointed.

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<v Speaker 3>I was disappointed. I get it.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, people are jumping off the bridges and whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, because the Jazz didn't get the number one pick.

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<v Speaker 2>But they going to get a good player if they

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<v Speaker 2>evaluate accurately, and as always Spence, only time will tell that,

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<v Speaker 2>but they will have the opportunity amongst a handful of

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<v Speaker 2>players that they like and evaluate very critically to add

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<v Speaker 2>someone to their group. They're also going to be picking

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<v Speaker 2>twenty one from Minnesota. At least they have the twenty

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<v Speaker 2>one pick. So you know, we just mentioned a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of guys who were picked after twenty one. Jalen Brunson, Prichard, Struce, Jokic,

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<v Speaker 2>Rudy McDaniels, Josh Hart, Nazreid. All those guys went after

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<v Speaker 2>twenty one. Right, So the point, my belabored point, is

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<v Speaker 2>you can find guys, and you can find more than

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<v Speaker 2>one guy that can actually help and add to your

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<v Speaker 2>group and what you're trying to do. But you have

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<v Speaker 2>to evaluate that in the right frame, and you have

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to have a group that believes in

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<v Speaker 2>what they're doing and be able to go go find

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<v Speaker 2>those guys and how to procure them. And that's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be the interesting part over the next six week process

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<v Speaker 2>between now and June twenty six, which is the draft day.

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<v Speaker 4>Tim McMahon is on TV. He was just on our

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<v Speaker 4>show fifteen minutes ago. Look at that, all right, McMahon.

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<v Speaker 2>See see everybody tries to use you, Spence as the

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<v Speaker 2>stepping starts. True, they come here, true, and then boom

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen minutes later.

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<v Speaker 3>Don t you won't see me doing that? Spence?

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<v Speaker 4>No, I appreciate with you. I appreciate with you. Okay, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>Porter's using me as a step in, so I know this.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm riding with you. I don't just run to eat.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh did you say yes fans?

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<v Speaker 3>Spence? Sorry, I gotta go.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, yes fans on the final I know you're lied

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<v Speaker 4>to be all right, at the risk of insulting your intelligence,

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<v Speaker 4>here we go only because you worked in the league

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<v Speaker 4>for forty years. Let me put the caveat on the

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<v Speaker 4>question before I ask you, yes that no party me

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<v Speaker 4>believes any of this stuff is ripped, never have, never will.

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<v Speaker 4>But it is a rite of passage for NBA fans

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<v Speaker 4>this time of year.

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<v Speaker 3>Who is there?

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<v Speaker 4>Who are fans of a certain team that they received

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<v Speaker 4>to be that they perceive got screwed, right, So it

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<v Speaker 4>it ultimately depends on who you cheer for. There are

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<v Speaker 4>no Dallas Maverick fans today that believe the lottery is rigged.

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<v Speaker 4>They just believe they got lucky. San Antonio just wants

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<v Speaker 4>the lottery to continue because you know they they built

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<v Speaker 4>the dynasties on lottery luck.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 4>And by the way, non secuitor, if there is an

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<v Speaker 4>example that the lottery isn't rigged, it's that San Antonio,

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<v Speaker 4>Texas has been the biggest beneficiar ever. Okay, yes, But

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<v Speaker 4>for the jazz fan listeners today, that's say little Salt

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<v Speaker 4>Lake City Jazz moved down last year, the jazz moved

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<v Speaker 4>down this year. Ten lottery appearances. We've never moved up.

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<v Speaker 4>The fix is in what do you say to them?

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<v Speaker 2>It's well, it's insulting anybody's intelligence. I know you know

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<v Speaker 2>about the I mean, but look, you know people want

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<v Speaker 2>to and I think you're right. I heard you earlier

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<v Speaker 2>say something about you know, we always want to blame

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<v Speaker 2>somebody else. You know, this is this is the Trump's

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<v Speaker 2>n b A, if you will, right, Like, it didn't

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<v Speaker 2>go your way, so we got to find somebody else.

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<v Speaker 3>To blame, that's right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So you know, which is obviously ridiculous. I know

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<v Speaker 2>you had I know you had Andy Larson on the

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<v Speaker 2>last hour, and and he was in the room and

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<v Speaker 2>and he saw the pingbound balls and and I saw

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<v Speaker 2>a fascinating article. Someone who else was also in the

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<v Speaker 2>room wrote wrote a piece. It might have been Andy,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure that I wrote read late last night

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<v Speaker 2>about exactly how the balls came up they were it wasn't, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and and recounting how the numbers were and all that

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<v Speaker 2>kind of stuff, and and uh, you know, look that

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<v Speaker 2>that's why it's a lot of this this stuff happens.

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<v Speaker 2>You know there the jazz just didn't get lucky. You

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you work all year to try and get that.

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<v Speaker 2>And look, Spencer, we've talked about this and and I

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<v Speaker 2>use this example with you you know a while ago

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<v Speaker 2>on this show, I don't know who else would would

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<v Speaker 2>take a fourteen percent chance and put all their chips

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<v Speaker 2>in the middle of the table.

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<v Speaker 3>You don't go in.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't go into Caesar's palace and they say, hey, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>come on over to the table here, son, We're going

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<v Speaker 2>to give you a fourteen percent chance to win some

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<v Speaker 2>big money tonight. You go, wow, what table is that?

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<v Speaker 2>I want to go to that table? Like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>nobody does that. I mean, so so, you know, And

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<v Speaker 2>then I read with Justin Zanik, you know, said after

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<v Speaker 2>the draft, you know, we knew going in that, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we had a fourteen percent chance to get the thing,

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<v Speaker 2>which meant we were also having eighty six percent chance

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<v Speaker 2>not to get it, and we're prepared for this. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not sure if I'm sure they knew that. Obviously they

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<v Speaker 2>know all those kinds of things, but I think everybody

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<v Speaker 2>was hoping against hope that this would happen for them. Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>the people in Washington were doing the exact same thing. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>they had the one game better than the Jazz on

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<v Speaker 2>the last second shot in the last game of the season,

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<v Speaker 2>and they had a fourteen percent chance and they went

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<v Speaker 2>from possibly one to six, the Jazz went from possibly

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<v Speaker 2>one to five. Yeah, and Charlotte dropped the spot. So

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<v Speaker 2>Pelicans dropped to seven. Yes, they dropped two. Yeah, And

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<v Speaker 2>so you know, that's just what the lottery is. It

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<v Speaker 2>made for great TV for half an hour, okay. But

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<v Speaker 2>but the interesting thing is that great TV for half

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<v Speaker 2>an hour quickly turned the fortunes of one group, which

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<v Speaker 2>was the Dallas Mavericks, into a big plus.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>They sent people like the Washington Wizards a group and

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<v Speaker 2>the Utah Jazz Group going out the side door with

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<v Speaker 2>their heads hung low because they're all disappointed because they

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<v Speaker 2>were hoping against hope that that this would this would

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<v Speaker 2>work out for them and it didn't. And you know, I,

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<v Speaker 2>as we've we've talked about before, Spence, it's I don't

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<v Speaker 2>get it. That's just me. I did these things for

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of years. I was in these draft rooms.

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<v Speaker 2>I was, you know, in discussions with how we're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>move up and down and out and in and all

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<v Speaker 2>this stuff. And you know the fact that you spend

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<v Speaker 2>a whole year positioning yourself purposely to be in a

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<v Speaker 2>spot where you are going to the the poker table,

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<v Speaker 2>You're going to the blackjack table and they're telling you, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>for all of your effort and all of your harder

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<v Speaker 2>and money, son, we're gonna give you a fourteen percent

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<v Speaker 2>chance to win tonight. Sit right down, we're gonna get

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<v Speaker 2>your ginger ale and here we go.

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<v Speaker 3>And like, who would do that? Like, I just don't

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<v Speaker 3>get it.

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<v Speaker 2>And unfortunately it didn't work out for the Jazz And

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<v Speaker 2>now they're they're trying to regroup. They're gonna get a

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<v Speaker 2>good player at five. They're not gonna get a Cooper Flag.

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<v Speaker 2>They're not gonna get a Dylan Harper, all right, but

420
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<v Speaker 2>they're gonna get a good player unless they come up

421
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<v Speaker 2>with something else. There's a lot of things that can

422
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<v Speaker 2>happen between now and the draft day. They got six

423
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<v Speaker 2>weeks to try and move up if that's what they

424
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<v Speaker 2>want to do. Put a package together with another team,

425
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<v Speaker 2>work with three teams, you know, move the balls around,

426
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<v Speaker 2>do something, you know, to position themselves differently, if that's

427
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<v Speaker 2>the way they see it. Danny Ainge has been known

428
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<v Speaker 2>to do that in the past, and so he may

429
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<v Speaker 2>have some ideas about, you know, how to be able

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<v Speaker 2>to work this in his in his favor to the

431
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<v Speaker 2>to the Jazz's benefit. And only time will tell, but

432
00:23:32.279 --> 00:23:36.799
<v Speaker 2>it certainly puts them, you know, behind a bigger ball,

433
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<v Speaker 2>if you will, in the next six weeks, then they

434
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<v Speaker 2>would have been if they had come out, you know,

435
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<v Speaker 2>with what they what they deemed to be the top prize.

436
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<v Speaker 4>All right, before we catch a break, one more question

437
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<v Speaker 4>here come up next, we'll talk about some of the optionality,

438
00:23:51.799 --> 00:23:54.359
<v Speaker 4>which is the buzzword in pro basketball. The Jazz do

439
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<v Speaker 4>have with Giannis reportedly open to being traded and the

440
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<v Speaker 4>Jason Tatum news that the Achilles is ruptured. Does Boston

441
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<v Speaker 4>try to pivot move on? Could the Jazz get involved

442
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<v Speaker 4>in any of these discussions to maybe expedi the process

443
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<v Speaker 4>a little bit, or will next year look a lot

444
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<v Speaker 4>like this year did?

445
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<v Speaker 3>But before we catch break, and I don't know this,

446
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<v Speaker 3>but in order to be.

447
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<v Speaker 4>Fair, and yes, I cannot debate or argue with you

448
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<v Speaker 4>my opinion of what I thought the Jazz should do

449
00:24:25.039 --> 00:24:27.359
<v Speaker 4>right out of the gates when they traded Donovan and Rudy.

450
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<v Speaker 4>If that was your decision to jettison Donovan, Rudy, Bogdanovich,

451
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<v Speaker 4>Conley O'Neil, the whole group in Quinn, Leaves and Dennis leaves.

452
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<v Speaker 4>My opinion was you do have to go all in

453
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<v Speaker 4>in one direction or the other. That's my opinion, okay,

454
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<v Speaker 4>and I will not change that opinion. But based off

455
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<v Speaker 4>of what they elected to do this year, is it

456
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<v Speaker 4>only fair to assume that they did try to get

457
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<v Speaker 4>a mchel Bridges or a Paul George or whatever it

458
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<v Speaker 4>was last offseason, and when their best laid plans disintegrated,

459
00:24:55.559 --> 00:24:57.240
<v Speaker 4>this was kind of their only course.

460
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<v Speaker 3>Is that fair to assume? I don't know. Yeah, I

461
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<v Speaker 3>think that.

462
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<v Speaker 2>You know, you're always trying to find a quicker way

463
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<v Speaker 2>to get on the on the in the fast lane

464
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<v Speaker 2>on the highway, right, so so you're always trying to

465
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<v Speaker 2>improve your team. You know, there's no such thing as

466
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<v Speaker 2>a six year, a seven year and eight year you know,

467
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<v Speaker 2>rebuilding a time frame. Nobody puts an artificial time limit

468
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<v Speaker 2>on how long this is supposed to take. Because in

469
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<v Speaker 2>a perfect world, something would happen for you tomorrow that

470
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<v Speaker 2>would make you go from you know, the seven Celtics

471
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<v Speaker 2>to the eight Celtics, right from near the bottom of

472
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<v Speaker 2>the league to winning a championship in one year because

473
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<v Speaker 2>of some moves that you're able to make. That was

474
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<v Speaker 2>a Danny Ainge deal where he was able to parlay,

475
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<v Speaker 2>you know, a disappointment where he felt like they were

476
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<v Speaker 2>hoping to get the top pick. They were hoping to

477
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<v Speaker 2>get the second pick at that at that year, which

478
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<v Speaker 2>happened to be the Greg Odin Kevin Durant draft.

479
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<v Speaker 3>They didn't.

480
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<v Speaker 2>They moved, They move move down like the Jazz did

481
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<v Speaker 2>last night, ended up moving back to five. They didn't

482
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<v Speaker 2>like that spot in the draft. Danny Ainge was able

483
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<v Speaker 2>to move that pick to end up getting Ray Allen

484
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<v Speaker 2>to come from Seattle, and then in a different move,

485
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<v Speaker 2>was able to move some picks, move some other guys

486
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<v Speaker 2>to Minnesota to get Kevin Garnett, and all of a sudden,

487
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<v Speaker 2>you've got Ray Allen, Kevin Garnett, and Paul Pierce and

488
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<v Speaker 2>you go from being a bottom five team in the

489
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<v Speaker 2>league to winning the championship twelve months later. So everybody

490
00:26:36.000 --> 00:26:40.240
<v Speaker 2>wants to do that type of thing. The Jazz, what

491
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<v Speaker 2>they have done successfully to this point is they put

492
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<v Speaker 2>themselves in a position, as you mentioned a minute ago,

493
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<v Speaker 2>you know the favorite word optionality or flexibility, to be

494
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<v Speaker 2>able to do a number of different things depending on

495
00:26:55.400 --> 00:26:59.480
<v Speaker 2>what's presented to you. Forty eight hours ago, you would

496
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<v Speaker 2>have never thought there was anything that could ever, you know,

497
00:27:03.599 --> 00:27:09.119
<v Speaker 2>impermeate the Boston Celtics roster, right because they've got a

498
00:27:09.160 --> 00:27:09.720
<v Speaker 2>good group.

499
00:27:09.960 --> 00:27:11.160
<v Speaker 3>It's a high paid group.

500
00:27:11.440 --> 00:27:13.799
<v Speaker 2>It costs a lot of money, but they're a top

501
00:27:13.920 --> 00:27:17.960
<v Speaker 2>five NBA team, the reigning champions, you know, and all

502
00:27:18.000 --> 00:27:21.599
<v Speaker 2>of that. Now Jason Tatum goes out as a ruptured

503
00:27:21.640 --> 00:27:27.000
<v Speaker 2>Achilles more than likely, you know, most estimations are that

504
00:27:27.079 --> 00:27:29.960
<v Speaker 2>he more than likely missed the whole of next year.

505
00:27:30.480 --> 00:27:33.079
<v Speaker 2>So that puts a big hole there where he's out.

506
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<v Speaker 2>So now you're paying a lot of money to a

507
00:27:36.039 --> 00:27:40.519
<v Speaker 2>lot of guys, and how much does that damage what

508
00:27:40.640 --> 00:27:43.359
<v Speaker 2>you've planned to do because he's.

509
00:27:43.200 --> 00:27:43.880
<v Speaker 3>In his prime.

510
00:27:44.440 --> 00:27:47.480
<v Speaker 2>So now do you just wait it out if you're

511
00:27:47.480 --> 00:27:51.559
<v Speaker 2>the Celtics, or do you say, well, we can't do this.

512
00:27:51.839 --> 00:27:54.480
<v Speaker 2>They got a new ownership group in place, and it's

513
00:27:54.480 --> 00:27:58.799
<v Speaker 2>costing him a lot of money and salaries, luxury tax

514
00:27:58.839 --> 00:28:02.160
<v Speaker 2>and penalties. So do they look at it and go, well,

515
00:28:02.480 --> 00:28:05.599
<v Speaker 2>we may have to do something different, and so maybe

516
00:28:05.640 --> 00:28:08.839
<v Speaker 2>we get rid of Jalen Brown, and maybe we get

517
00:28:09.000 --> 00:28:11.880
<v Speaker 2>rid of Drew Holliday, and maybe we get rid of

518
00:28:11.920 --> 00:28:15.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, whatever it is, because we can't sit around

519
00:28:15.480 --> 00:28:18.680
<v Speaker 2>and just wait and hope Tatum comes back to be

520
00:28:18.799 --> 00:28:22.079
<v Speaker 2>the old Tatum that he was. Yep, And so that

521
00:28:22.279 --> 00:28:25.240
<v Speaker 2>becomes something on the table. So now the Jazz are

522
00:28:25.279 --> 00:28:28.079
<v Speaker 2>sitting there at the bus stop, so to speak, with

523
00:28:28.200 --> 00:28:31.960
<v Speaker 2>a big basket of draft picks and players that they're

524
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<v Speaker 2>willing to trade because they don't care because at the moment,

525
00:28:35.640 --> 00:28:38.079
<v Speaker 2>you know, the guys they've got, whether they like him,

526
00:28:38.240 --> 00:28:40.039
<v Speaker 2>they don't like them, or they're in the middle or

527
00:28:40.079 --> 00:28:43.119
<v Speaker 2>something on their own guys, you know, they're not winning,

528
00:28:43.519 --> 00:28:47.519
<v Speaker 2>so it doesn't matter. So everybody's in play. So whether

529
00:28:47.559 --> 00:28:51.000
<v Speaker 2>it's your players or your your treasure trove of picks,

530
00:28:51.480 --> 00:28:54.599
<v Speaker 2>you you are in a position to go to Boston

531
00:28:54.640 --> 00:28:57.400
<v Speaker 2>and say, what are you thinking? I don't know, we

532
00:28:57.480 --> 00:28:59.920
<v Speaker 2>probably got to do something with Jalen Brown. Okay, what's

533
00:29:00.160 --> 00:29:03.160
<v Speaker 2>gonna take? You know, five draft picks, Lowry Marketing and

534
00:29:03.400 --> 00:29:06.279
<v Speaker 2>this guy or that guy whatever, and so you're in

535
00:29:06.359 --> 00:29:09.000
<v Speaker 2>position to pounce on something like that.

536
00:29:09.359 --> 00:29:11.960
<v Speaker 3>Is it something like that that may come up? We

537
00:29:12.000 --> 00:29:12.440
<v Speaker 3>don't know.

538
00:29:12.759 --> 00:29:15.599
<v Speaker 2>Is it something like Phoenix, which is around the corner

539
00:29:15.720 --> 00:29:19.880
<v Speaker 2>that probably has to do something with Durant and Beale

540
00:29:20.200 --> 00:29:23.680
<v Speaker 2>in some way, shape or form. Because that's obviously not working.

541
00:29:24.079 --> 00:29:27.759
<v Speaker 2>Is it something that involves Giannis who wants to go

542
00:29:27.839 --> 00:29:30.079
<v Speaker 2>somewhere else And it may not be the Jazz, but

543
00:29:30.200 --> 00:29:32.400
<v Speaker 2>the Jazz may be a third team that helps something

544
00:29:32.440 --> 00:29:35.799
<v Speaker 2>getting involved. All of those things are in play spence.

545
00:29:35.839 --> 00:29:38.799
<v Speaker 2>So so that's the one thing that Jazz have going

546
00:29:38.839 --> 00:29:41.839
<v Speaker 2>for them is they've got a lot of open doors

547
00:29:42.079 --> 00:29:45.519
<v Speaker 2>that they could walk through depending on what presents itself

548
00:29:46.400 --> 00:29:47.759
<v Speaker 2>to them in the coming weeks.

549
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<v Speaker 4>The world of professional golf turns its side of the

550
00:29:50.400 --> 00:29:54.559
<v Speaker 4>PGA Championship at Quel Hollow coming up this weekend. One

551
00:29:54.599 --> 00:29:56.839
<v Speaker 4>year ago today, well not one year go today, but

552
00:29:56.920 --> 00:30:03.279
<v Speaker 4>one year ago. Smidty PGA Championship Scotti Scheffler arrested prior

553
00:30:03.319 --> 00:30:06.279
<v Speaker 4>to round two, which was just so wild.

554
00:30:06.359 --> 00:30:08.119
<v Speaker 3>Richard Smith is live in studio.

555
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<v Speaker 4>Jordan Speith going for the career Grand Slam coming up

556
00:30:11.240 --> 00:30:14.400
<v Speaker 4>this weekend after Rory McElroy was able to grab it

557
00:30:14.440 --> 00:30:15.400
<v Speaker 4>with his green jacket.

558
00:30:15.960 --> 00:30:16.759
<v Speaker 3>All right, Smitty.

559
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<v Speaker 4>Of course, the big news of the day today that

560
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<v Speaker 4>we've been dissecting so far as the Utah Jazz will

561
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<v Speaker 4>draft number five in the upcoming NBA Draft down June,

562
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<v Speaker 4>the twenty fifth Shamsherarnia reporting that the Jazz will try

563
00:30:31.359 --> 00:30:34.920
<v Speaker 4>to be very active to move up in seid NBA drafts.

564
00:30:36.119 --> 00:30:38.160
<v Speaker 4>I've had a lot of friends reach Alie, Hey, can

565
00:30:38.160 --> 00:30:40.960
<v Speaker 4>they just move up and draft Cooper Flag at one.

566
00:30:41.000 --> 00:30:42.880
<v Speaker 4>I'm like, well, you have to have the other general

567
00:30:42.880 --> 00:30:44.519
<v Speaker 4>manager agreed to the deal.

568
00:30:45.160 --> 00:30:47.359
<v Speaker 3>In place, Like, yes, in theory, just do that.

569
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<v Speaker 4>But what are what are the conversations like when it's like,

570
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<v Speaker 4>all right, we like this guy at three, but we're

571
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<v Speaker 4>at five. Can we get to three? Or we kind

572
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<v Speaker 4>of like the guy that might be at seven. Can

573
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<v Speaker 4>we move down to seven and grab a couple of

574
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<v Speaker 4>other assets? Like what does that sound like?

575
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<v Speaker 2>Well, it reminds me suspense you say that about just

576
00:31:03.240 --> 00:31:07.039
<v Speaker 2>moving up, you know. Frank Laydon said he one time

577
00:31:07.079 --> 00:31:10.119
<v Speaker 2>got a call from someone who a very influential person

578
00:31:10.160 --> 00:31:12.119
<v Speaker 2>in the community, said, hey, Hi, that's great. I do

579
00:31:12.200 --> 00:31:15.039
<v Speaker 2>we have a good young team with that Stockton kid

580
00:31:15.039 --> 00:31:17.200
<v Speaker 2>and the Malone guy. You know, you know would be

581
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<v Speaker 2>really good with them, would be uh, would be Patrick Ewing.

582
00:31:20.640 --> 00:31:24.759
<v Speaker 2>You know you guys should get Patrick Ewing. And Frank said, really,

583
00:31:25.039 --> 00:31:27.839
<v Speaker 2>he goes, that's that's a good idea. He goes, Now,

584
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<v Speaker 2>how do you suggest we do that, Well, you just

585
00:31:31.319 --> 00:31:33.559
<v Speaker 2>call call New York, you know, and and they're going

586
00:31:33.640 --> 00:31:36.960
<v Speaker 2>to give us Patrick Ewing, He goes like he's.

587
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<v Speaker 4>You guys like Rich Key, Yeah, that's Rich Kelly in

588
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<v Speaker 4>his second for Patrick Man shout out.

589
00:31:41.960 --> 00:31:45.160
<v Speaker 3>To Rich Kelly. Uh, that's one of my guys, Rich Kelly.

590
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<v Speaker 4>Yes, So Smittie, I mean ultimately, uh, if I just

591
00:31:49.599 --> 00:31:52.799
<v Speaker 4>asked you for your best guess as far as what

592
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<v Speaker 4>next year is going to look like, because you know again,

593
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<v Speaker 4>Adam Silver and the NBA in twenty nineteen decided to

594
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<v Speaker 4>flatten the lottery odds and was their motivation to dissuade

595
00:32:04.279 --> 00:32:09.240
<v Speaker 4>teams from tanking. Probably they also put some financial things

596
00:32:09.279 --> 00:32:13.200
<v Speaker 4>into place that make your overspending very punitive. So great

597
00:32:13.279 --> 00:32:17.799
<v Speaker 4>teams like the Nuggets we've seen lose some players. The

598
00:32:17.839 --> 00:32:21.359
<v Speaker 4>Warriors had to make a decision on Clay Phoenix as

599
00:32:21.359 --> 00:32:24.759
<v Speaker 4>you referenced. Boston as we've talked about, well maybe jettison

600
00:32:24.839 --> 00:32:28.160
<v Speaker 4>off from some of their talent players. Do the Jazz

601
00:32:28.160 --> 00:32:33.319
<v Speaker 4>have what it takes to potentially do what Danny Ainge

602
00:32:33.359 --> 00:32:36.000
<v Speaker 4>said two summers ago and go big game hunting to

603
00:32:36.039 --> 00:32:39.000
<v Speaker 4>get some good players. So therefore, next year you're not

604
00:32:39.240 --> 00:32:43.519
<v Speaker 4>insulting the integrity of the game by intentionally losing every night.

605
00:32:44.240 --> 00:32:46.240
<v Speaker 4>And as you said earlier, fate karma.

606
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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I don't know nothing about nothing. Is

607
00:32:48.400 --> 00:32:49.000
<v Speaker 3>that stuff real?

608
00:32:49.119 --> 00:32:54.160
<v Speaker 4>Maybe, but twenty nineteen lottery odds flattened. Six drafts later,

609
00:32:54.279 --> 00:32:56.119
<v Speaker 4>the worst team in the NBA has not received the

610
00:32:56.200 --> 00:32:59.119
<v Speaker 4>number one pick since. So just best guess what do

611
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<v Speaker 4>you think the offseason and what do you think next

612
00:33:01.039 --> 00:33:02.319
<v Speaker 4>season looks like for Jazz fans?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, again, I think the Jazz have a lot of

614
00:33:04.920 --> 00:33:10.119
<v Speaker 2>stuff they they can propose, you know, to uh again

615
00:33:10.680 --> 00:33:13.880
<v Speaker 2>to beat the dead horse, you know, uh Danny's famous comment.

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<v Speaker 2>But we're gonna go big game hunting. And and we've

617
00:33:16.640 --> 00:33:19.000
<v Speaker 2>said this before, Spence, you can go big game hunting.

618
00:33:19.039 --> 00:33:19.359
<v Speaker 3>You can.

619
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<v Speaker 2>You can tell your wife on Friday, Hey, I'm going

620
00:33:21.920 --> 00:33:24.200
<v Speaker 2>up in the mountains and I'm gonna get a bag

621
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<v Speaker 2>of big, big buck and I'm gonna bring it back and.

622
00:33:26.720 --> 00:33:28.880
<v Speaker 3>We're gonna have deer meat all winter or whatever.

623
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<v Speaker 2>And you go up and you come back at the

624
00:33:31.240 --> 00:33:33.480
<v Speaker 2>end of the weekend and you have nothing, and your wife,

625
00:33:34.000 --> 00:33:35.519
<v Speaker 2>I thought you were going I thought you were going

626
00:33:35.559 --> 00:33:38.119
<v Speaker 2>big game. Well I did, and where's the big game.

627
00:33:38.519 --> 00:33:41.400
<v Speaker 2>I didn't get him. You didn't see him. I saw him,

628
00:33:41.480 --> 00:33:44.559
<v Speaker 2>but I didn't get them, you know, and whatever I mean.

629
00:33:44.599 --> 00:33:47.039
<v Speaker 2>That's you know, the Jazz are gonna do that. They're

630
00:33:47.079 --> 00:33:50.640
<v Speaker 2>gonna do a version of that. Uh this spring and summer.

631
00:33:51.039 --> 00:33:53.400
<v Speaker 2>They're gonna try and do a lot of different things

632
00:33:53.400 --> 00:33:57.839
<v Speaker 2>that can improve their team quickly. Uh, They're gonna have

633
00:33:57.920 --> 00:34:01.759
<v Speaker 2>some some opportunity used to look at stuff. You know,

634
00:34:01.880 --> 00:34:05.400
<v Speaker 2>you always need a trade partner, You need someone who

635
00:34:05.440 --> 00:34:09.760
<v Speaker 2>has sometimes a different motivation than you. So it may

636
00:34:09.800 --> 00:34:11.760
<v Speaker 2>be a team that is trying to get out from

637
00:34:11.760 --> 00:34:14.559
<v Speaker 2>a high paid player who's a good player, but it

638
00:34:14.679 --> 00:34:16.559
<v Speaker 2>just isn't working, I e.

639
00:34:16.800 --> 00:34:17.800
<v Speaker 3>The Phoenix Suns.

640
00:34:18.480 --> 00:34:21.400
<v Speaker 2>It may be something, you know, where a top line

641
00:34:21.480 --> 00:34:25.079
<v Speaker 2>player just needs a change of scenery and the team

642
00:34:25.119 --> 00:34:27.800
<v Speaker 2>that has him under contract feels like they need a

643
00:34:27.880 --> 00:34:30.639
<v Speaker 2>change of scenery because it just isn't working the way

644
00:34:30.679 --> 00:34:32.000
<v Speaker 2>they thought, I e.

645
00:34:32.199 --> 00:34:32.960
<v Speaker 3>Milwaukee.

646
00:34:33.800 --> 00:34:35.840
<v Speaker 2>It could be you know, from a couple of years ago,

647
00:34:36.320 --> 00:34:38.800
<v Speaker 2>you know when the Brooklyn Nets looked like they were

648
00:34:38.800 --> 00:34:41.599
<v Speaker 2>going to be running the NBA for five, six, seven

649
00:34:41.679 --> 00:34:47.119
<v Speaker 2>years with Durant and Harden and Kyrie Irving and those

650
00:34:47.159 --> 00:34:51.000
<v Speaker 2>three guys played a total of sixteen games together during

651
00:34:51.039 --> 00:34:53.840
<v Speaker 2>their time in Brooklyn, which is unfathomable now when you

652
00:34:53.920 --> 00:34:56.400
<v Speaker 2>look back on it, and it just didn't work. And

653
00:34:56.480 --> 00:34:58.679
<v Speaker 2>so they were trying to get rid of each one

654
00:34:58.719 --> 00:35:03.199
<v Speaker 2>of those guys in different different fashion. So those kinds

655
00:35:03.199 --> 00:35:07.800
<v Speaker 2>of things can come up. You don't know tomorrow if

656
00:35:07.800 --> 00:35:10.320
<v Speaker 2>they're gonna happen. You don't know next week if it's

657
00:35:10.360 --> 00:35:14.039
<v Speaker 2>gonna happen. But if you're prepared to be able to react,

658
00:35:14.559 --> 00:35:16.920
<v Speaker 2>you might have some stuff you might be able to do.

659
00:35:17.440 --> 00:35:20.559
<v Speaker 2>You couple it with a draft pick, with two draft picks,

660
00:35:20.880 --> 00:35:23.239
<v Speaker 2>with one of your guys, with three of your guys,

661
00:35:23.360 --> 00:35:26.679
<v Speaker 2>whatever it is, and you can make over your team

662
00:35:27.199 --> 00:35:31.000
<v Speaker 2>somewhat quickly, as we mentioned earlier what Danny Ainge did

663
00:35:31.039 --> 00:35:34.559
<v Speaker 2>in seven the Summer of seven with the Boston Celtics.

664
00:35:35.480 --> 00:35:37.239
<v Speaker 2>But a lot of things have to fall into place.

665
00:35:37.880 --> 00:35:41.559
<v Speaker 2>But the situation the Jazz are in now, as much

666
00:35:41.559 --> 00:35:43.480
<v Speaker 2>as you don't like the way they lost and the

667
00:35:43.519 --> 00:35:46.039
<v Speaker 2>way they were the worst team in this year, and

668
00:35:46.119 --> 00:35:50.519
<v Speaker 2>a lot of metrics and a lot of the analytics

669
00:35:50.519 --> 00:35:55.119
<v Speaker 2>said that they were really bad. So from the Jazz perspective,

670
00:35:55.159 --> 00:35:58.000
<v Speaker 2>in that regard, you don't have anything to lose, like

671
00:35:58.079 --> 00:36:00.760
<v Speaker 2>you're not giving up something that Ooh, I don't know

672
00:36:00.760 --> 00:36:03.239
<v Speaker 2>if we can give away this, because that may damage

673
00:36:03.239 --> 00:36:06.480
<v Speaker 2>what we've been doing so far, because we haven't done

674
00:36:06.480 --> 00:36:09.679
<v Speaker 2>anything so far. So in that regard, you know, the

675
00:36:09.760 --> 00:36:13.000
<v Speaker 2>door's wide open, and they could do a lot of things,

676
00:36:13.079 --> 00:36:15.239
<v Speaker 2>and a lot of things would have to fall their

677
00:36:15.320 --> 00:36:19.440
<v Speaker 2>way and would have to some things within their ability

678
00:36:19.480 --> 00:36:22.159
<v Speaker 2>to control, they could do that. There's some things that

679
00:36:22.280 --> 00:36:25.000
<v Speaker 2>may have to just fall in their lap that are

680
00:36:25.039 --> 00:36:28.519
<v Speaker 2>beyond their control, that just happened to them or become

681
00:36:28.880 --> 00:36:32.079
<v Speaker 2>present to them to take advantage of. But those are

682
00:36:32.119 --> 00:36:34.679
<v Speaker 2>all things that they're going to look at and all

683
00:36:34.760 --> 00:36:38.360
<v Speaker 2>things that Danny Inge has used to doing and has

684
00:36:38.480 --> 00:36:42.679
<v Speaker 2>done before and has shown that he's not shy about

685
00:36:42.719 --> 00:36:45.880
<v Speaker 2>making those kinds of decisions. And we just see it

686
00:36:45.920 --> 00:36:48.800
<v Speaker 2>here spends the Jazz and the situation they are in

687
00:36:48.840 --> 00:36:52.519
<v Speaker 2>now because Danny Hinge came in in the first twelve

688
00:36:52.519 --> 00:36:54.840
<v Speaker 2>months he was on the job with the Jazz, you know,

689
00:36:54.960 --> 00:36:58.000
<v Speaker 2>jettisoned the whole thing that that was in place then

690
00:36:58.519 --> 00:37:00.800
<v Speaker 2>and decided to start over. So we know that he

691
00:37:00.880 --> 00:37:05.800
<v Speaker 2>has he has the uh, the intestinal fortitude and the

692
00:37:05.880 --> 00:37:08.719
<v Speaker 2>guts to make those kind of decisions and not blink

693
00:37:08.800 --> 00:37:12.199
<v Speaker 2>and so so, will he have opportunities, will they be

694
00:37:12.239 --> 00:37:13.400
<v Speaker 2>able to execute them?

695
00:37:13.880 --> 00:37:15.440
<v Speaker 3>Will there be things that that he.

696
00:37:15.719 --> 00:37:19.519
<v Speaker 2>Uh, he can act upon but needs other people to cooperate.

697
00:37:19.920 --> 00:37:23.239
<v Speaker 2>All those things are movable parts, and those are those

698
00:37:23.239 --> 00:37:26.559
<v Speaker 2>are the things that become exciting and at the same

699
00:37:26.599 --> 00:37:29.880
<v Speaker 2>time become frustrating when you're trying to get something done.

700
00:37:30.159 --> 00:37:32.400
<v Speaker 3>So do you think next year will look a lot

701
00:37:32.599 --> 00:37:34.679
<v Speaker 3>like this season did? Well? I think it.

702
00:37:34.920 --> 00:37:36.960
<v Speaker 2>I think they're going to try and make it look

703
00:37:37.199 --> 00:37:40.960
<v Speaker 2>a lot different in terms of making some moves. Whether

704
00:37:41.000 --> 00:37:43.199
<v Speaker 2>it's a draft, whether it's a free agent thing, whether

705
00:37:43.239 --> 00:37:47.960
<v Speaker 2>it's trades, Whether they get stuff done on any of

706
00:37:47.960 --> 00:37:50.880
<v Speaker 2>those fronts or all of them, remains to be seen.

707
00:37:50.960 --> 00:37:53.599
<v Speaker 2>And I but I think, you know, if they just

708
00:37:53.719 --> 00:37:56.320
<v Speaker 2>if they don't get anything done and they just go

709
00:37:56.440 --> 00:37:59.960
<v Speaker 2>through this draft and and and pick whoever they get

710
00:38:00.360 --> 00:38:03.119
<v Speaker 2>and try and develop them, then I think they could

711
00:38:03.119 --> 00:38:06.840
<v Speaker 2>be in for another type of season next year because

712
00:38:07.480 --> 00:38:08.360
<v Speaker 2>that they've had this year.

713
00:38:08.599 --> 00:38:09.760
<v Speaker 3>Because Spence, to your.

714
00:38:09.639 --> 00:38:14.639
<v Speaker 2>Point earlier, everybody in the NBA is looking to be

715
00:38:15.280 --> 00:38:17.719
<v Speaker 2>one of the top five teams in the league that

716
00:38:17.800 --> 00:38:21.800
<v Speaker 2>has a serious chance of competing all year long and

717
00:38:21.880 --> 00:38:24.400
<v Speaker 2>through the playoffs, or you want to be one of

718
00:38:24.440 --> 00:38:28.760
<v Speaker 2>the five worst teams to have a chance like last night, Okay,

719
00:38:29.360 --> 00:38:33.800
<v Speaker 2>they did that part didn't work out. Okay, that's one

720
00:38:33.880 --> 00:38:37.719
<v Speaker 2>big swing and mess. Okay, that happened. But you don't

721
00:38:37.760 --> 00:38:40.519
<v Speaker 2>want to be one of the one of the twenty

722
00:38:40.599 --> 00:38:44.119
<v Speaker 2>teams that's in between those two areas what we always

723
00:38:44.239 --> 00:38:46.880
<v Speaker 2>would refer to with the gray area, because those are

724
00:38:46.920 --> 00:38:50.840
<v Speaker 2>the teams that either they're fooling themselves because they're a

725
00:38:51.280 --> 00:38:55.559
<v Speaker 2>eight nine to ten type team, or they're a twenty

726
00:38:55.679 --> 00:38:58.519
<v Speaker 2>twenty one to twenty two type team and they want

727
00:38:58.559 --> 00:39:01.760
<v Speaker 2>to convince themselves that they're better than they really are

728
00:39:02.320 --> 00:39:06.679
<v Speaker 2>and they have a chance to compete when they really don't.

729
00:39:07.239 --> 00:39:10.039
<v Speaker 2>You know. The current example of that to me is

730
00:39:10.039 --> 00:39:15.480
<v Speaker 2>somebody like the Atlanta Hawks, who you know, maybe the

731
00:39:15.480 --> 00:39:19.119
<v Speaker 2>Miami Heat, although the Heat broke through a couple of

732
00:39:19.199 --> 00:39:22.400
<v Speaker 2>years ago and and you know, got to the finals

733
00:39:22.440 --> 00:39:26.719
<v Speaker 2>and you know, but they had some breaks to get

734
00:39:26.719 --> 00:39:29.400
<v Speaker 2>through that, but it worked. But sometimes you can fool

735
00:39:29.440 --> 00:39:32.119
<v Speaker 2>yourself into thinking you're one of those guys. You don't

736
00:39:32.159 --> 00:39:34.480
<v Speaker 2>want to be in that gray area because you're just

737
00:39:34.559 --> 00:39:38.719
<v Speaker 2>trading water. So if you can make some moves. Then

738
00:39:39.559 --> 00:39:41.840
<v Speaker 2>you look at that with a strong eye to try

739
00:39:41.880 --> 00:39:43.440
<v Speaker 2>and get better quickly.

740
00:39:43.800 --> 00:39:47.800
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, the irony in what you're saying is the number

741
00:39:47.880 --> 00:39:50.360
<v Speaker 4>ten team in the Western Conference here this year was

742
00:39:50.400 --> 00:39:53.400
<v Speaker 4>the Dallas Mavericks, who now owned the number one overall tip.

743
00:39:53.480 --> 00:39:56.559
<v Speaker 4>There you go, and so you know now that we have,

744
00:39:57.559 --> 00:39:59.960
<v Speaker 4>you know, after they flattened the lottery odds in twenty nineteen,

745
00:40:00.039 --> 00:40:01.480
<v Speaker 4>I think a lot of people said, Okay, well, let's

746
00:40:01.519 --> 00:40:04.320
<v Speaker 4>wait and see how this looks. And now that we

747
00:40:04.400 --> 00:40:08.159
<v Speaker 4>have six drafts in six lotteries behind us, and the

748
00:40:08.280 --> 00:40:13.360
<v Speaker 4>data now says tanking does not guarantee you anything.

749
00:40:13.760 --> 00:40:16.440
<v Speaker 3>In the NFL, it does, Okay, it's inverse order. Period.

750
00:40:16.480 --> 00:40:18.000
<v Speaker 3>They reward teams that are horrible.

751
00:40:18.400 --> 00:40:21.559
<v Speaker 4>Ironically enough, teams like my Jets do not seem to

752
00:40:21.599 --> 00:40:22.599
<v Speaker 4>ever find their way out.

753
00:40:22.440 --> 00:40:23.000
<v Speaker 3>Of that group.

754
00:40:23.519 --> 00:40:27.079
<v Speaker 4>But in pro basketball, the data is in that you

755
00:40:27.119 --> 00:40:28.840
<v Speaker 4>can tank all you want, and if you think that's

756
00:40:28.880 --> 00:40:30.840
<v Speaker 4>the right way to roll, then you can roll that way.

757
00:40:30.880 --> 00:40:34.360
<v Speaker 4>And yes, your percentages are slightly higher than the teams

758
00:40:34.400 --> 00:40:36.880
<v Speaker 4>behind you. But now that we know that guarantees nothing,

759
00:40:37.639 --> 00:40:40.039
<v Speaker 4>is it time to maybe consider a paradigm shift for

760
00:40:40.199 --> 00:40:43.199
<v Speaker 4>the teams like the Jazz or Washington or whoever that

761
00:40:43.320 --> 00:40:44.920
<v Speaker 4>clearly have been unseerious about winning.

762
00:40:44.920 --> 00:40:45.960
<v Speaker 3>Now for a minute, well, I.

763
00:40:46.280 --> 00:40:50.719
<v Speaker 2>Don't know the lottery, I think, I mean, I understand

764
00:40:50.800 --> 00:40:51.679
<v Speaker 2>what you're saying about.

765
00:40:52.119 --> 00:40:54.159
<v Speaker 3>You know, now we have six years, we can look

766
00:40:54.199 --> 00:40:54.920
<v Speaker 3>at it a little bit.

767
00:40:55.199 --> 00:40:59.960
<v Speaker 2>But the lottery, I know this sounds kind of simplistic,

768
00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:03.960
<v Speaker 2>but the lottery is the lottery. In other words, you

769
00:41:04.000 --> 00:41:08.840
<v Speaker 2>can't predict what's going to happen. So anybody who wants

770
00:41:08.880 --> 00:41:12.639
<v Speaker 2>to play that game, like the Jazz did this year again,

771
00:41:13.280 --> 00:41:15.159
<v Speaker 2>spence to be the dead horse.

772
00:41:15.920 --> 00:41:16.159
<v Speaker 3>You know.

773
00:41:16.480 --> 00:41:19.880
<v Speaker 2>Anybody who works that hard for six months to get

774
00:41:19.880 --> 00:41:23.360
<v Speaker 2>a fourteen percent chance to win something, I mean, good

775
00:41:23.440 --> 00:41:26.400
<v Speaker 2>luck to you. I mean, you know, that's that's uh,

776
00:41:26.559 --> 00:41:29.039
<v Speaker 2>you know, I don't know that. I don't get that

777
00:41:29.079 --> 00:41:32.039
<v Speaker 2>whole thing. But anyway, that's that's what they did. That's

778
00:41:32.079 --> 00:41:34.920
<v Speaker 2>what Washington did, That's what Charlotte did. Toward the end

779
00:41:34.920 --> 00:41:37.000
<v Speaker 2>of the year. None of them ended up in the

780
00:41:37.039 --> 00:41:43.039
<v Speaker 2>top three. You know, That's that's just the way that

781
00:41:43.039 --> 00:41:46.000
<v Speaker 2>that stuff it goes. That's that's, you know, just taking

782
00:41:46.000 --> 00:41:49.320
<v Speaker 2>a big gamble. The NFL. The NFL is a different

783
00:41:49.360 --> 00:41:53.639
<v Speaker 2>animal because they they schedule differently. You don't play everybody

784
00:41:53.679 --> 00:41:57.559
<v Speaker 2>else in the NFL over over a whole season, and

785
00:41:57.639 --> 00:42:01.840
<v Speaker 2>the NFL schedule is weighted so that the better teams

786
00:42:02.119 --> 00:42:07.199
<v Speaker 2>last year play each other next year, and the lesser

787
00:42:07.239 --> 00:42:11.559
<v Speaker 2>teams last year play each other this year. And it's

788
00:42:11.599 --> 00:42:13.960
<v Speaker 2>all in the hopes Spence, that when you get to

789
00:42:14.000 --> 00:42:18.360
<v Speaker 2>week sixteen and seventeen in the NFL, everybody's eight and eighty,

790
00:42:18.639 --> 00:42:22.159
<v Speaker 2>everybody's nine and seven, everybody's got a chance. The last

791
00:42:22.159 --> 00:42:25.880
<v Speaker 2>couple of weeks. In the NBA, everybody plays everybody else.

792
00:42:26.280 --> 00:42:31.000
<v Speaker 2>In your conference, you play four games. A couple of

793
00:42:31.079 --> 00:42:33.440
<v Speaker 2>teams of three games, but most of them you're playing

794
00:42:33.719 --> 00:42:35.639
<v Speaker 2>two at home, two in the road, and the other

795
00:42:35.679 --> 00:42:38.119
<v Speaker 2>conference you play one home, one on the road.

796
00:42:38.559 --> 00:42:40.639
<v Speaker 3>And so over the course of an eighty two game.

797
00:42:40.480 --> 00:42:43.960
<v Speaker 2>Season, it usually works out that the better teams are

798
00:42:44.000 --> 00:42:46.760
<v Speaker 2>the better teams. And you know, when you get to

799
00:42:46.800 --> 00:42:49.840
<v Speaker 2>this lottery stuff, that's just what it is. And I

800
00:42:50.800 --> 00:42:54.199
<v Speaker 2>don't understand people who you know, don't. I mean, it's

801
00:42:54.239 --> 00:42:58.480
<v Speaker 2>not that complicated, Spence. It's just like going to the playground,

802
00:42:58.880 --> 00:43:01.079
<v Speaker 2>like the hard scrabbles streets that you grew up in

803
00:43:01.119 --> 00:43:01.760
<v Speaker 2>a New Canaan.

804
00:43:04.280 --> 00:43:06.199
<v Speaker 3>There we go see that.

805
00:43:06.239 --> 00:43:11.199
<v Speaker 2>And you guys, you get to the playground and you go, okay,

806
00:43:11.519 --> 00:43:15.360
<v Speaker 2>you know, Spencer Smidder, you guys are choosing up. Okay, okay, okay,

807
00:43:15.400 --> 00:43:17.719
<v Speaker 2>I got first pick. Who are you gonna take. You're

808
00:43:17.719 --> 00:43:20.119
<v Speaker 2>gonna take the kid you know is the best player

809
00:43:20.519 --> 00:43:22.679
<v Speaker 2>in the neighborhood, and then you're going to take the

810
00:43:22.719 --> 00:43:25.119
<v Speaker 2>next guy and whatever. And the whole purpose is what

811
00:43:25.599 --> 00:43:28.840
<v Speaker 2>the whole purpose is to win the game you're playing,

812
00:43:29.119 --> 00:43:31.360
<v Speaker 2>so you get to stay on the court and the

813
00:43:31.400 --> 00:43:34.159
<v Speaker 2>losers have to go off and play the next group

814
00:43:34.159 --> 00:43:38.639
<v Speaker 2>of guys. Right, the NBA system in the playoffs, it's

815
00:43:38.760 --> 00:43:42.400
<v Speaker 2>it's just a bigger, grandiose version of that. All the

816
00:43:42.440 --> 00:43:45.239
<v Speaker 2>teams are trying to get the better players so they

817
00:43:45.239 --> 00:43:48.960
<v Speaker 2>can stay on the court and keep playing. Right, So

818
00:43:50.119 --> 00:43:53.599
<v Speaker 2>when it comes to the lottery, the lottery is what

819
00:43:53.760 --> 00:43:56.480
<v Speaker 2>it is. It's just a flip of the coin, or

820
00:43:56.480 --> 00:43:59.760
<v Speaker 2>in this case, literally the bounce of the ping pong balls.

821
00:43:59.800 --> 00:44:04.599
<v Speaker 2>And I was interested to read Andy Larson's description last night,

822
00:44:05.039 --> 00:44:08.039
<v Speaker 2>specifically saying, you know, they they turned the machine on

823
00:44:08.119 --> 00:44:10.480
<v Speaker 2>and the balls bounce around for twenty seconds, and then

824
00:44:10.519 --> 00:44:12.960
<v Speaker 2>the guy pulls the plug and the ball comes out

825
00:44:13.079 --> 00:44:14.920
<v Speaker 2>and then they reset it and then the balls bounce

826
00:44:14.920 --> 00:44:17.199
<v Speaker 2>around for another ten seconds and then bah blah blah

827
00:44:17.199 --> 00:44:19.840
<v Speaker 2>blah blah. And you know, and it's very precise and

828
00:44:22.599 --> 00:44:25.920
<v Speaker 2>direct in how they do that to give everybody a

829
00:44:25.920 --> 00:44:31.360
<v Speaker 2>fair shot. And you know, I would rather be in

830
00:44:31.400 --> 00:44:34.000
<v Speaker 2>a lottery spence where I have an eighty six percent

831
00:44:34.119 --> 00:44:37.960
<v Speaker 2>chance of getting it, but you have an eighty six

832
00:44:38.000 --> 00:44:42.360
<v Speaker 2>percent chance of not getting it. So that's what you're

833
00:44:42.440 --> 00:44:45.920
<v Speaker 2>rolling with. I say, good luck, and I'm going to

834
00:44:46.000 --> 00:44:47.519
<v Speaker 2>keep my money in my back pocket.

835
00:44:47.599 --> 00:44:52.360
<v Speaker 4>And the system is not changing anytime soon. Do you

836
00:44:52.400 --> 00:44:54.199
<v Speaker 4>think they look at it? I mean, would you like

837
00:44:54.239 --> 00:44:55.239
<v Speaker 4>to see a different approach?

838
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<v Speaker 2>I mean no, because I think they I think they've

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<v Speaker 2>I think they've not overthought. I think they've thought it

840
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<v Speaker 2>through enough with enough statisticians and mathematicians and and what

841
00:45:07.639 --> 00:45:09.559
<v Speaker 2>are the odds? And how do you do this? And

842
00:45:09.559 --> 00:45:12.440
<v Speaker 2>there used to be one ping pong ball and fourteen

843
00:45:12.519 --> 00:45:15.079
<v Speaker 2>teams and they ruffled it up and they go okay,

844
00:45:15.119 --> 00:45:17.920
<v Speaker 2>and they pull out one ball and they go, uh,

845
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<v Speaker 2>number five, who's got number five? Oh, the Atlanta Hawks

846
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<v Speaker 2>have number five? Okay, they get the first pick. I

847
00:45:23.280 --> 00:45:26.119
<v Speaker 2>mean it used to be that now that's four ping

848
00:45:26.159 --> 00:45:28.719
<v Speaker 2>pong balls. And they each have a number on them.

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<v Speaker 2>So they get them one number okay, and number seven okay,

850
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<v Speaker 2>all right, the next one number thirteen, whatever. And then

851
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<v Speaker 2>they then you have a big, you know, print out

852
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<v Speaker 2>sheet and you look at okay, do we have lottery number.

853
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<v Speaker 2>It's just like Spence buying a lottery ticket over across

854
00:45:44.039 --> 00:45:46.519
<v Speaker 2>the border in Idaho, and you got the numbers on

855
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<v Speaker 2>the ticket and they read off the fourth number.

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<v Speaker 3>Ah, I had a seven. They call those six. I

857
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<v Speaker 3>didn't win it. You know. It's the same thing. I mean.

858
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<v Speaker 2>And and so they've got that figured out. It just

859
00:45:58.719 --> 00:46:02.880
<v Speaker 2>doesn't work for you. And to your point, Spence, everybody

860
00:46:02.880 --> 00:46:06.159
<v Speaker 2>wants to find a reason that we didn't win and

861
00:46:06.440 --> 00:46:10.159
<v Speaker 2>somebody's against us, and you know whatever, and that's just

862
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<v Speaker 2>it's just not the case.

863
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<v Speaker 3>It's just that's the reality of what a lottery is.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think, well, my guess is the other thing

865
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<v Speaker 4>that really stings about last night? And John Hollinger wrote

866
00:46:22.360 --> 00:46:26.440
<v Speaker 4>a piece on this for The Athletic Today. So again

867
00:46:26.719 --> 00:46:29.440
<v Speaker 4>the jazz fault, I'm gonna say air quotes fall to five.

868
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<v Speaker 4>It was the most likely scenario based off the percentages

869
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<v Speaker 4>prior to the Lotteryka and Zanak talked about this, Yeah,

870
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<v Speaker 4>one and two.

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00:46:36.679 --> 00:46:39.000
<v Speaker 3>It was basically a fifty percent change, right.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, right, So forty eight point seven percent chance they

873
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<v Speaker 4>were gonna draft at five fourteen percent chance they were

874
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<v Speaker 4>gonna draft it one. But I don't think the sting

875
00:46:48.559 --> 00:46:52.280
<v Speaker 4>that fans are feeling today is only about that. I

876
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<v Speaker 4>think it's also about the fact that Dallas and San Antonio,

877
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<v Speaker 4>two of your Western Conference piers, are at one and two.

878
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<v Speaker 4>Because if you're a Jazz fan, you're already looking up

879
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<v Speaker 4>at well, I'm not even gonna read the list everybody,

880
00:47:05.480 --> 00:47:08.639
<v Speaker 4>You're already looking up at everybody. At least san Antonio

881
00:47:08.679 --> 00:47:10.559
<v Speaker 4>was kind of in your cul de sac right this year,

882
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<v Speaker 4>even though they got Wembin Yama and Dallas took such

883
00:47:13.679 --> 00:47:15.679
<v Speaker 4>such a calculator risk to get rid of Donchic, so

884
00:47:15.719 --> 00:47:17.320
<v Speaker 4>you thought, okay, maybe they're falling back down on.

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<v Speaker 3>Earth as well.

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00:47:17.920 --> 00:47:20.320
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so now two of the teams that you thought

887
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<v Speaker 4>maybe we're not that far away from, you're miles away

888
00:47:23.760 --> 00:47:26.320
<v Speaker 4>from again. So I think if you're a Jazz fan today,

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<v Speaker 4>it's not just man, we didn't get one or two.

890
00:47:29.320 --> 00:47:32.320
<v Speaker 4>We actually are drafting five it's two of our Western

891
00:47:32.320 --> 00:47:34.639
<v Speaker 4>Conference piers have one and two, and now we've got

892
00:47:34.679 --> 00:47:35.840
<v Speaker 4>miles to go to catch them.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and and and the fact that their Western conference

894
00:47:38.400 --> 00:47:42.199
<v Speaker 2>is a good point. But but you're right when when

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<v Speaker 2>they when they showed Ashley Smith, who I felt on

896
00:47:47.039 --> 00:47:51.079
<v Speaker 2>the stage and and her being in that position and

897
00:47:51.400 --> 00:47:54.280
<v Speaker 2>she's on an island by herself at that moment in time,

898
00:47:54.400 --> 00:47:57.800
<v Speaker 2>and and not used to that that scenario and everything, and.

899
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<v Speaker 4>Look on her face. I just want to reach the TV. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>felt really bad for her.

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<v Speaker 2>And and uh, but then they but then they exacerbated

902
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<v Speaker 2>by going and now we're gonna go to commercial and

903
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<v Speaker 2>we'll come back for the final four picks, and they

904
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<v Speaker 2>go to a three minute commercial and they rearrange the

905
00:48:12.719 --> 00:48:15.760
<v Speaker 2>stage and all that stuff, and and uh and when

906
00:48:15.920 --> 00:48:19.679
<v Speaker 2>when they when they picked the Charlotte at at four

907
00:48:20.360 --> 00:48:23.159
<v Speaker 2>And then I'm sitting there going, are you kidding me?

908
00:48:23.199 --> 00:48:26.519
<v Speaker 2>San Antonio and Dallas and and then and then those

909
00:48:26.559 --> 00:48:30.440
<v Speaker 2>two are left, and I go and I literally I

910
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<v Speaker 2>I started laughing a little bit out loud. I was

911
00:48:33.519 --> 00:48:36.639
<v Speaker 2>watching with coach coach Layton and and and with Linda

912
00:48:36.679 --> 00:48:39.159
<v Speaker 2>and and I'm sitting there. You gotta be kidding me,

913
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<v Speaker 2>I said, And then at that moment in time, I thought, boy,

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<v Speaker 2>I hope san Antonio gets the first pick.

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<v Speaker 3>This is just gonna be.

916
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<v Speaker 2>A bigger story that if they get the first back again,

917
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<v Speaker 2>are you kidding me? You know? And and uh, you know,

918
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<v Speaker 2>then all the guys would really be out of the woodwork.

919
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<v Speaker 2>But as it is, they're gonna get a They're gonna

920
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<v Speaker 2>get one of those two guys, I would assume, and

921
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<v Speaker 2>you know, and there they may be off to the

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<v Speaker 2>races again.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>It's uh, that's that's you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what to say about that, except except

926
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<v Speaker 2>that's that's the proverbial and literal bounce of the ball.

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<v Speaker 4>That's why they call it the lottery. There we go, Manny,

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<v Speaker 4>Thanks for your time. My friend will see you soon, okays,

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<v Speaker 4>appreciate you.

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<v Speaker 3>Richard Smith Live in studio