WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:03.680 Pro football with our guy, Mike Yam formerly the Pac twelve. 2 00:00:03.720 --> 00:00:05.120 That's how we got to know him, and now he's 3 00:00:05.120 --> 00:00:09.240 with the NFL Network. On a Wednesday afternoon, Mike, Happy Wednesday, sir, 4 00:00:09.240 --> 00:00:09.679 how are you. 5 00:00:10.759 --> 00:00:12.960 I'm doing great. I feel like neither one of us 6 00:00:13.000 --> 00:00:15.160 should talk and we should just fade back up a 7 00:00:15.199 --> 00:00:16.600 little Pearl Jam better man. 8 00:00:16.960 --> 00:00:17.719 I'm okay with. 9 00:00:17.719 --> 00:00:18.640 That, Mike. 10 00:00:18.679 --> 00:00:22.519 I've long said that NFL or excuse me, fmdjs have 11 00:00:22.640 --> 00:00:24.559 the best gig in the world. They come in, They're like, hey, 12 00:00:24.600 --> 00:00:27.079 it's thirty degrees outside and here's pearl Jam. 13 00:00:27.120 --> 00:00:29.160 Then they chill for like six or seven minutes. 14 00:00:29.519 --> 00:00:31.920 Unfortunately, what you and I do for a living, we 15 00:00:32.000 --> 00:00:33.399 actually have to fill the content. 16 00:00:33.399 --> 00:00:34.759 Although you're not wrong. 17 00:00:34.799 --> 00:00:37.600 All right, let's start with the uncomfortable stuff, which is 18 00:00:37.600 --> 00:00:39.920 a question I have for you about my freaking New 19 00:00:40.000 --> 00:00:43.600 York Football Jets. So it looks like they are going 20 00:00:43.600 --> 00:00:45.719 to move on from Aaron, which I applaud. He is 21 00:00:45.759 --> 00:00:48.560 a locker room cancer and he's not good at football anymore. 22 00:00:49.520 --> 00:00:51.920 So what do you make of where we find ourselves 23 00:00:51.960 --> 00:00:53.439 with the Jets? What do you think is next? Do 24 00:00:53.439 --> 00:00:55.320 you think they're going to bottom out? And try to 25 00:00:55.320 --> 00:00:56.759 find their way through the draft. 26 00:00:58.359 --> 00:01:03.200 So this is a really big subject because if there's 27 00:01:03.399 --> 00:01:07.200 one team in the NFL where there's a real case 28 00:01:07.239 --> 00:01:11.560 study on what to do, what not to do, what direction, 29 00:01:11.640 --> 00:01:13.280 if you're thinking about going down. 30 00:01:13.120 --> 00:01:14.719 And isn't a good idea bad idea. 31 00:01:15.000 --> 00:01:17.599 I will give them a lot of credit in this regard, 32 00:01:17.760 --> 00:01:20.400 and you probably would agree with this. They went for it, 33 00:01:20.959 --> 00:01:22.680 and they had a really good team a couple of 34 00:01:22.719 --> 00:01:26.079 years ago that seemed to be deficient on the offensive side, 35 00:01:26.200 --> 00:01:28.480 so they said, hey, what's our best option right now? 36 00:01:28.920 --> 00:01:31.480 And they went and they signed Aaron Rodgers. And I 37 00:01:31.519 --> 00:01:33.319 think there's a couple different ways to look at this. 38 00:01:33.560 --> 00:01:36.319 It clearly didn't work out, and it's probably a good 39 00:01:36.359 --> 00:01:39.319 thing that both sides are free and clear of this. 40 00:01:39.799 --> 00:01:41.640 But I will say this, they just trade for Devonte 41 00:01:41.640 --> 00:01:45.280 Adams right and were willing to continue even as the 42 00:01:45.319 --> 00:01:48.040 wheels were falling off, and they had fired Robert Sala 43 00:01:48.120 --> 00:01:51.000 at that point. They said, hey, let's keep building, let's 44 00:01:51.079 --> 00:01:53.599 keep trying to make a push here, and clearly it 45 00:01:53.680 --> 00:01:56.640 wasn't enough. But I think the organization had to say 46 00:01:56.680 --> 00:01:59.480 it in themselves. This is what Aaron Rodgers does. This 47 00:01:59.560 --> 00:02:01.239 is the offense and said he brings to the table. 48 00:02:01.439 --> 00:02:03.480 He's at a stage in his career two years ago 49 00:02:03.519 --> 00:02:06.000 where it's like, yo, he wants the guys that are 50 00:02:06.000 --> 00:02:08.639 comfortable in that system understand where they need to be 51 00:02:08.759 --> 00:02:10.879 when they need to be there, and they're not going 52 00:02:10.879 --> 00:02:13.280 to make a bunch of play calls and not to 53 00:02:13.319 --> 00:02:16.159 go on a tangent here. I was talking to a 54 00:02:16.199 --> 00:02:19.120 polleague of mind an NFL network, Isaiah Standback, and he's 55 00:02:19.199 --> 00:02:21.520 down in that Dallas area. We were together for the 56 00:02:21.520 --> 00:02:24.120 Shrine Bowl a couple weeks ago when the Cowboys decided 57 00:02:24.159 --> 00:02:26.039 to go a shot and Himer and he turns to 58 00:02:26.039 --> 00:02:27.479 me and you see, you know why this is a really. 59 00:02:27.319 --> 00:02:30.360 Good move for Dak. It's because he doesn't. 60 00:02:30.120 --> 00:02:34.479 Have to worry about remaking an entire offense right and 61 00:02:34.520 --> 00:02:37.919 like learning things from scratch, there's some continuity that is 62 00:02:37.960 --> 00:02:39.960 going to be in place. Rich On the him are 63 00:02:40.000 --> 00:02:41.719 in the fold, and I think the same thing could 64 00:02:41.759 --> 00:02:44.120 be said Faron Rodgers. They try to make him as 65 00:02:44.120 --> 00:02:46.319 comfortable as possible. Look, it didn't work out. The first 66 00:02:46.360 --> 00:02:49.000 season gets hurt, obviously. A couple snaps into the game 67 00:02:49.439 --> 00:02:52.639 and we're now seeing where if you're coming off an 68 00:02:52.639 --> 00:02:54.800 Achilles injuries. Sometimes you're just not going to look right, 69 00:02:54.960 --> 00:02:58.120 like as Kirk Cousins, the Kirk Cousins that I saw 70 00:02:58.159 --> 00:02:59.759 for most of this year, or is he closer to 71 00:02:59.800 --> 00:03:02.000 the one that I saw two years ago when he's 72 00:03:02.080 --> 00:03:05.960 really healthy. I would argue like, Kirk's not as bad 73 00:03:06.000 --> 00:03:08.400 as what we witnessed there. I just don't think he 74 00:03:08.520 --> 00:03:11.039 was healthy. And I think as Aaron Rodgers started to 75 00:03:11.039 --> 00:03:12.879 get a little bit healthy as the season went on, 76 00:03:13.199 --> 00:03:15.159 he did start to look a little bit better, but 77 00:03:15.599 --> 00:03:17.319 you know, a little too late, and they had to 78 00:03:17.360 --> 00:03:19.840 go and move on. I feel like I'm not even 79 00:03:19.840 --> 00:03:24.039 answering your question here, but it does feel like the 80 00:03:24.159 --> 00:03:26.360 Jets have two paths to go. Do we rebuild in 81 00:03:26.360 --> 00:03:28.080 this draft and I don't think that this is a 82 00:03:28.080 --> 00:03:30.800 great quarterback class, which is what they need. Do they 83 00:03:30.879 --> 00:03:36.080 find that bridge guy and insert him in in free 84 00:03:36.080 --> 00:03:39.719 agency to sort of piece this thing together? Maybe, but 85 00:03:39.879 --> 00:03:42.120 there's a part of me that says, you know, they 86 00:03:42.240 --> 00:03:43.919 might just try to pick this thing apart in the 87 00:03:44.000 --> 00:03:45.240 draft and rebuild. 88 00:03:46.439 --> 00:03:49.000 Do you think Aaron's done? Do you think that's it 89 00:03:49.039 --> 00:03:49.840 for Aaron Rodgers? 90 00:03:50.840 --> 00:03:51.840 No? I don't. 91 00:03:52.400 --> 00:03:56.400 I think there's going to be interests because of who 92 00:03:56.439 --> 00:03:59.680 he is, and I think we saw enough flashes late 93 00:03:59.680 --> 00:04:02.719 and even where I think there's a team that's like, 94 00:04:03.560 --> 00:04:06.080 you know, maybe he's got a little left here in 95 00:04:06.159 --> 00:04:08.919 the tank and maybe it's good enough to bridge the 96 00:04:08.919 --> 00:04:11.719 gap before we go to either a young quarterback or 97 00:04:12.039 --> 00:04:14.120 we see what happens in the draft next season. 98 00:04:15.360 --> 00:04:16.759 There's god. 99 00:04:16.800 --> 00:04:19.000 I was talking with Brian Baldinger about this the other day. 100 00:04:19.040 --> 00:04:21.600 You look through the top ten, you make an argument, like, 101 00:04:21.800 --> 00:04:24.600 sixty seven of those teams need a quarterback. There's not 102 00:04:24.920 --> 00:04:28.399 six or seven first round arms in this year's draft, 103 00:04:28.439 --> 00:04:32.600 and lord knows, there's not six top ten quarterbacks in 104 00:04:32.639 --> 00:04:35.079 this year's draft. Last year, what we saw with the 105 00:04:35.360 --> 00:04:37.560 run of six guys go in those first twelve picks, like, 106 00:04:37.600 --> 00:04:39.720 that's not going to happen again this year. At least 107 00:04:39.720 --> 00:04:42.040 it's not my opinion that that's going to happen. And 108 00:04:42.079 --> 00:04:46.000 if that's the case, guys like Aaron Rodgers, I think, 109 00:04:46.120 --> 00:04:48.000 do find a home. And by the way, do you 110 00:04:48.000 --> 00:04:49.360 think he wants to finish. 111 00:04:49.040 --> 00:04:49.600 Out this way? 112 00:04:49.959 --> 00:04:52.279 There's a part of me that says no, like he's 113 00:04:52.720 --> 00:04:54.120 he wants to get back out there. 114 00:04:55.160 --> 00:04:57.439 Yeah, I tend to agree with you, and it only 115 00:04:57.480 --> 00:05:01.120 takes one general manager to believe that. And your point 116 00:05:01.120 --> 00:05:02.839 about going all in to at least give it a 117 00:05:02.879 --> 00:05:05.480 shot is very fair. And as a Jets fan who 118 00:05:06.279 --> 00:05:08.800 has for years wondered when they would actually do that, 119 00:05:09.519 --> 00:05:11.839 I will admit to having some sort of excitement about 120 00:05:11.879 --> 00:05:12.319 the endeavor. 121 00:05:12.360 --> 00:05:13.279 It just didn't work out. 122 00:05:13.279 --> 00:05:16.199 But let's move off the Jets, and that's actually talk 123 00:05:16.240 --> 00:05:18.639 about the game that was played, you know, just a 124 00:05:18.680 --> 00:05:21.319 few days back now, and one hundred and thirty seven 125 00:05:21.399 --> 00:05:24.839 point seven mili at its peak, and then you add 126 00:05:24.879 --> 00:05:27.639 the streaming numbers and the Spanish broadcast numbers. So my 127 00:05:27.720 --> 00:05:33.160 first question, Mike is how has football captured this market share? 128 00:05:33.800 --> 00:05:35.839 And do you think we're just in for this ride 129 00:05:35.879 --> 00:05:38.199 where they're because every year it's a new record, it's 130 00:05:38.240 --> 00:05:40.439 not going in the wrong direction. Do you think we're 131 00:05:40.439 --> 00:05:42.439 on this trajectory where every year we're going to see 132 00:05:42.480 --> 00:05:43.360 the audiences grow. 133 00:05:45.600 --> 00:05:48.920 I'm going to say yes, because there's a huge, huge 134 00:05:48.959 --> 00:05:52.279 catalyst coming and in my mind, it's the idea of 135 00:05:52.319 --> 00:05:55.800 the international audience and the expansion that is happening, and 136 00:05:55.959 --> 00:05:59.639 finding different markets in Europe, finding different markets in South 137 00:05:59.639 --> 00:06:04.560 America as well. They haven't even come close to tapping 138 00:06:05.040 --> 00:06:07.759 the Asian market, Like I don't even think. I know 139 00:06:07.839 --> 00:06:11.839 there's an effort, and there's a lot of progress that's 140 00:06:11.879 --> 00:06:16.079 being made behind the scenes, but can you imagine globally, 141 00:06:16.120 --> 00:06:19.279 Because we talked about the NFL at least in headquarters 142 00:06:19.279 --> 00:06:21.519 as a global sport, and I think there's a real 143 00:06:21.639 --> 00:06:23.800 argument for it when you talk about these games that 144 00:06:23.839 --> 00:06:27.319 are selling out in Munich and Brazil, and obviously we're 145 00:06:27.319 --> 00:06:30.360 going to get in Ireland right now. But that's all great, 146 00:06:30.879 --> 00:06:34.680 but when they haven't even come close to tapping that market, 147 00:06:34.680 --> 00:06:37.079 like I haven't heard the conversations about a game in 148 00:06:37.160 --> 00:06:40.360 Japan or China or insert you know in Asian countries. 149 00:06:40.480 --> 00:06:43.600 So I think that there's still a ridiculous amount of 150 00:06:43.680 --> 00:06:47.120 legs for this sport. You think about flag football being 151 00:06:47.399 --> 00:06:50.639 included into the Olympics, I think there's a lot. There's 152 00:06:50.680 --> 00:06:52.879 a lot to be said where that audience is going 153 00:06:52.920 --> 00:06:55.000 to continue to grow, which is mind boggling to me. 154 00:06:55.439 --> 00:06:57.959 So I don't love the whole like what does one 155 00:06:58.040 --> 00:07:00.639 loss mean for a player's legacy? But I do want 156 00:07:00.639 --> 00:07:03.279 to ask you about the winning quarterback instead of leading 157 00:07:03.279 --> 00:07:06.439 the conversation with the Chiefs and Mahomes because I just 158 00:07:07.360 --> 00:07:09.839 and look, I am no NFL scout, and I am 159 00:07:09.879 --> 00:07:13.720 comfortable being an observer and having an informed opinion because 160 00:07:13.720 --> 00:07:15.040 I've been doing this for a long time. 161 00:07:15.079 --> 00:07:16.920 But I'm not some expert. 162 00:07:17.360 --> 00:07:21.639 I just was never on board with the conversation about Jalen. 163 00:07:21.680 --> 00:07:24.439 I just wasn't like it felt like they were intentionally 164 00:07:24.519 --> 00:07:26.839 rushing the football because I had a great offensive line 165 00:07:26.879 --> 00:07:29.759 and they have probably the best running back of this generation, 166 00:07:30.399 --> 00:07:32.160 and a couple of years ago in the Super Bowl, 167 00:07:32.240 --> 00:07:35.120 Jalen passed for over three hundred like he can throw 168 00:07:35.160 --> 00:07:38.000 the football. And yes, I know there are some numbers 169 00:07:38.040 --> 00:07:40.639 to be critical of and maybe the lack of accuracy 170 00:07:40.639 --> 00:07:42.319 from time to time, and he might have the best 171 00:07:42.360 --> 00:07:42.800 one two. 172 00:07:42.759 --> 00:07:45.600 Punch as far as receivers in the entire NFL. 173 00:07:45.680 --> 00:07:49.839 But I just I always believed that at some point 174 00:07:50.199 --> 00:07:51.879 that this dude was going to get it done. I've 175 00:07:51.920 --> 00:07:54.000 been a fan of his way back in Bama when 176 00:07:54.000 --> 00:07:56.519 he lost his job and stayed in college and stayed 177 00:07:56.519 --> 00:07:57.000 the course. 178 00:07:57.519 --> 00:08:01.360 What did this win do for the narratives around Jalen Hurts. 179 00:08:01.800 --> 00:08:04.240 I think it changes it dramatically, and I think you're 180 00:08:04.279 --> 00:08:06.480 hitting the nail on the head, and it was something 181 00:08:07.000 --> 00:08:09.800 that was bothering me. I do a new podcast with 182 00:08:10.079 --> 00:08:11.959 Lamar Hurt, who I know is a buddy of yours 183 00:08:11.959 --> 00:08:14.240 and has probably been on the show a million times 184 00:08:14.240 --> 00:08:17.720 that we were talking about it last night, actually on 185 00:08:17.879 --> 00:08:19.800 the episode, and I said to him, like, I got 186 00:08:19.839 --> 00:08:22.519 to the point where I was really disappointed with and 187 00:08:22.560 --> 00:08:24.959 it's partly my fault too, right, Like I could have 188 00:08:25.000 --> 00:08:27.720 spoken up on like the five hour Super Bowl Live 189 00:08:27.759 --> 00:08:30.160 show that I did last week, right, like You're doing 190 00:08:30.199 --> 00:08:32.480 all this coverage and I'm thinking to myself, like I'd 191 00:08:32.480 --> 00:08:35.240 get the low hanging fruit of legacy with my homes 192 00:08:35.360 --> 00:08:38.120 and going for a threepeat and the tailor shirt Travis 193 00:08:38.200 --> 00:08:39.360 Kelsey situation. 194 00:08:39.480 --> 00:08:41.320 But there was one point, Spence, like during. 195 00:08:41.080 --> 00:08:43.200 The week, I was working with David Carr and in 196 00:08:43.200 --> 00:08:45.000 one of our commercial breaks, I turned to him and 197 00:08:45.000 --> 00:08:47.320 I just said, do you see it the way that 198 00:08:47.399 --> 00:08:49.159 I see it? And he looked at me and he's like, 199 00:08:49.240 --> 00:08:51.600 where are you going with this? And I said, I 200 00:08:51.679 --> 00:08:54.399 see a world where the Chiefs win small like, for 201 00:08:54.440 --> 00:08:55.960 sure they can win this game. I mean, look at 202 00:08:55.960 --> 00:08:57.879 the season, look at the team, look at Mahomes. Of 203 00:08:57.879 --> 00:08:59.960 course they can win the Super Bowl. But I see 204 00:09:00.080 --> 00:09:02.320 it where the Eagles can win a close game. But 205 00:09:02.360 --> 00:09:05.039 I got to tell you, I also see the Eagles 206 00:09:05.080 --> 00:09:08.919 smashing this team, and I don't see Kansas City being 207 00:09:08.960 --> 00:09:11.320 able to say the same thing. And he started to 208 00:09:11.399 --> 00:09:13.159 laugh and he said, I've been thinking the same thing, 209 00:09:13.720 --> 00:09:16.080 and I go, I'm not going to say that on 210 00:09:16.159 --> 00:09:19.360 air just because I'm the host, right, like he's the analyst. 211 00:09:19.399 --> 00:09:21.600 And he did pick Philadelphia in that game. 212 00:09:21.639 --> 00:09:23.039 They didn't think it was going to be a wrecking 213 00:09:23.039 --> 00:09:24.600 ball the way that he didn't say it was going 214 00:09:24.639 --> 00:09:26.399 to be a wrecking ball the way that it turned out. 215 00:09:26.879 --> 00:09:29.360 But as Jalen Hurts is on that podium spense, I 216 00:09:29.399 --> 00:09:33.919 started thinking to myself, why not the Eagles being the 217 00:09:34.000 --> 00:09:36.759 new dynasty. And I'm not suggesting Kansas City is going away. 218 00:09:37.159 --> 00:09:39.720 All I'm saying is Jalen Hurts is young. Right, So 219 00:09:39.759 --> 00:09:41.879 they got a guy who's in place who two years 220 00:09:41.919 --> 00:09:44.440 ago was in the MVP conversation that who's built their 221 00:09:44.440 --> 00:09:47.600 coordinators two seasons ago off of that loss, and it 222 00:09:47.600 --> 00:09:49.039 was a bad year for Nick Sirianni. 223 00:09:49.360 --> 00:09:50.960 It was on the hot seat. People were talking about 224 00:09:50.960 --> 00:09:51.799 this losing his job. 225 00:09:52.000 --> 00:09:54.639 Now he's a super Bowl winner, they get stay Kwon Barkley, 226 00:09:54.720 --> 00:09:57.840 they got a young defense. Like, think about what Kansas 227 00:09:57.879 --> 00:10:01.720 City has done. They've built around the home. Philly's got 228 00:10:01.840 --> 00:10:05.240 Jalen Hurts, they got skilled position players that are in 229 00:10:05.240 --> 00:10:07.960 the fold. Kansas City kind of lost some of those dudes. 230 00:10:07.960 --> 00:10:09.600 But the reason why the Chiefs were in this game 231 00:10:09.879 --> 00:10:12.679 is because of their defense, fense, and what they've done 232 00:10:12.720 --> 00:10:15.039 in this draft. Look at what Howie Roseman has done, 233 00:10:15.039 --> 00:10:18.159 their general manager Eagles GM, Like he's starting to build 234 00:10:18.200 --> 00:10:20.639 a team that's got young studs on the defensive side, 235 00:10:21.000 --> 00:10:23.279 on the front half of that, in that front seven, 236 00:10:23.399 --> 00:10:25.720 and in the back end. I just look at that 237 00:10:25.759 --> 00:10:28.120 and go, hey, Billy, I don't think is going anywhere. 238 00:10:28.120 --> 00:10:30.679 And maybe I'm just being dramatic because it's they're coming 239 00:10:30.720 --> 00:10:32.720 off the Super Bowl win. But I really do think 240 00:10:32.720 --> 00:10:33.720 the framework is there. 241 00:10:33.600 --> 00:10:35.840 For this team, and that's where I wanted to go next. 242 00:10:35.840 --> 00:10:37.039 And I know you got to go in a minute. 243 00:10:37.080 --> 00:10:39.360 So I have one Kansas City question for you. 244 00:10:39.639 --> 00:10:40.360 I got I got a couple. 245 00:10:40.720 --> 00:10:43.000 I get a couple, So whatever you need, Okay, cool, Okay, 246 00:10:43.559 --> 00:10:45.159 I just got a text of a meeting got canceled. 247 00:10:45.320 --> 00:10:47.919 Oh cool, Okay, great more Mike am is better for us. 248 00:10:48.080 --> 00:10:50.080 So you know, we talk a lot about you know, 249 00:10:50.159 --> 00:10:55.039 Mahomes twenty nine, Josh Allen, Lamar twenty eight, Jalen's twenty six, 250 00:10:55.720 --> 00:11:00.919 and Sequon's twenty eight, AJ's twenty seven, DeVante's twenty I mean, look, 251 00:11:01.279 --> 00:11:04.159 when you win at a high level, you are going 252 00:11:04.200 --> 00:11:07.240 to lose coaches, which they have again, and they are 253 00:11:07.279 --> 00:11:08.840 going to be players that need to get paid, so 254 00:11:08.840 --> 00:11:10.840 they're not going to run it back entirely. But the 255 00:11:10.840 --> 00:11:13.080 bulk of their team is in place and they are young. 256 00:11:13.600 --> 00:11:15.600 What are you willing to say about what is now 257 00:11:15.639 --> 00:11:19.039 possible after watching them just dismantle this modern day dynasty 258 00:11:19.080 --> 00:11:19.799 in Kansas City. 259 00:11:21.039 --> 00:11:23.759 So do I think they can get back and win 260 00:11:23.799 --> 00:11:26.279 another super Bowl in the next two to three seasons? 261 00:11:26.360 --> 00:11:28.639 Yes, I absolutely do think that that is the case. 262 00:11:30.320 --> 00:11:32.519 We and you, and I don't want to put words 263 00:11:32.559 --> 00:11:34.279 in your mouth, but I've been on with you enough 264 00:11:34.320 --> 00:11:36.399 to know kind of like we think similarly in terms 265 00:11:36.440 --> 00:11:37.759 of some of the personnel and some of the teams 266 00:11:37.759 --> 00:11:39.080 that are out there are like, I don't think this 267 00:11:39.200 --> 00:11:41.919 is going you know, the hot take like the AFC 268 00:11:42.080 --> 00:11:46.039 has got better teams collectively but if you said to me, 269 00:11:46.240 --> 00:11:49.200 who are the most complete teams in the NFL, two 270 00:11:49.279 --> 00:11:51.279 of them are in the NFC and one is in 271 00:11:51.320 --> 00:11:54.159 the AFC, and that's the Baltimore Ravens, And then I 272 00:11:54.200 --> 00:11:56.759 would throw the lines in with the Eagles. 273 00:11:57.000 --> 00:11:57.200 You know. 274 00:11:57.200 --> 00:11:59.159 And it's not to say that Kansas City is not good. 275 00:11:59.159 --> 00:11:59.799 It's not the same. 276 00:11:59.639 --> 00:12:02.600 Buffalo low if not good, or you know, the Houston 277 00:12:02.679 --> 00:12:05.320 Texans on the rise, whoever, you know what Washington's gonna 278 00:12:05.360 --> 00:12:07.240 end up being in the next couple of seasons. I 279 00:12:07.279 --> 00:12:09.799 just think right now, based off of those rosters, those 280 00:12:09.840 --> 00:12:12.480 three teams, to me, are the most complete. And if 281 00:12:12.480 --> 00:12:14.320 you've got the most complete teams, I think you got 282 00:12:14.320 --> 00:12:17.360 a chance at the end. And to me, that's why 283 00:12:17.399 --> 00:12:19.600 I think Philadelphia because of some of those ages that 284 00:12:19.639 --> 00:12:24.360 you reference, and because they have a general manager willing 285 00:12:24.679 --> 00:12:28.679 to wheel and deal to get this team to this point. 286 00:12:29.080 --> 00:12:32.080 Like the Eagles always seem to be active, always seem 287 00:12:32.240 --> 00:12:35.480 to pull the right strings, and it's usually not a 288 00:12:35.519 --> 00:12:38.519 train wreck like they don't have like these god awful, 289 00:12:39.840 --> 00:12:41.960 you know, seasons where you just shake your head and go, 290 00:12:42.000 --> 00:12:42.960 what the heck happened? 291 00:12:42.960 --> 00:12:44.559 Like maybe they don't live up to the hype. 292 00:12:44.600 --> 00:12:47.360 But that's why I really do think like the Eagles 293 00:12:47.759 --> 00:12:50.440 absolutely are in the next the next couple of seasons. 294 00:12:51.000 --> 00:12:52.919 All right, now, let's move over to the chief side 295 00:12:52.919 --> 00:12:56.000 of this. And you know, I don't know where you 296 00:12:56.080 --> 00:12:58.559 were at Will while you were watching the game. I 297 00:12:58.720 --> 00:13:00.799 was shell shocked. I thought Kansas City was going to 298 00:13:00.840 --> 00:13:02.759 win a close one because it just got sick of 299 00:13:02.960 --> 00:13:05.000 I thought Buffalo, I thought it was Josh's year. You 300 00:13:05.039 --> 00:13:09.519 just get sick of picking against Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes. So, actually, 301 00:13:09.600 --> 00:13:11.679 before we get to the Chiefs question, at what point 302 00:13:11.960 --> 00:13:14.399 during the game, Mike, did you say to yourself, all right, 303 00:13:14.480 --> 00:13:15.440 that's it, that's a rap. 304 00:13:17.360 --> 00:13:21.840 So d hops drop made me think to myself, like 305 00:13:21.919 --> 00:13:25.320 this just might not be it. And obviously at the 306 00:13:25.399 --> 00:13:29.080 end of the first quarter, Patrick's eyes got I sound 307 00:13:29.080 --> 00:13:30.799 like so dramatic, dude, Like I don't need to be 308 00:13:30.879 --> 00:13:33.320 that guy. But they're like, you know, like, am I 309 00:13:33.399 --> 00:13:35.559 the only one who saw that? Like you're you're sitting 310 00:13:35.600 --> 00:13:38.000 there and you're you're seeing Mahomes kind of run around 311 00:13:38.240 --> 00:13:40.600 and you have flashes of the you know, a Todd 312 00:13:40.600 --> 00:13:44.039 Bowles defense in a huge game like the Super Bowl, 313 00:13:44.279 --> 00:13:47.120 just like the dude's head was on a swivel, and 314 00:13:47.639 --> 00:13:50.240 you look at the tackles on that offensive line and 315 00:13:50.559 --> 00:13:52.639 they weren't holding up, and they weren't holding up even 316 00:13:52.639 --> 00:13:55.759 when Philly wasn't think I think I saw this guy. 317 00:13:55.799 --> 00:13:56.159 I should. 318 00:13:56.639 --> 00:13:58.279 You would think I would have gone through our postgame 319 00:13:58.360 --> 00:14:01.840 research pack at like eight hundred times. But I'm almost 320 00:14:01.879 --> 00:14:06.080 positive that Philly did duplits in that game and still 321 00:14:06.159 --> 00:14:07.799 was able to generate that much pressure. 322 00:14:08.039 --> 00:14:09.360 So when I see Mahomes have. 323 00:14:09.399 --> 00:14:12.039 That type of looks, that's at that point I was. 324 00:14:12.039 --> 00:14:13.720 Like, oh, like this, this ain't going to be good 325 00:14:13.720 --> 00:14:14.320 for these dudes. 326 00:14:14.879 --> 00:14:17.200 Yeah, no, you're You're right, and he was seeing ghosts 327 00:14:17.200 --> 00:14:19.399 and that's what happens where every time you drop back, 328 00:14:19.440 --> 00:14:21.600 you're running for your life. I mean, I don't really 329 00:14:21.679 --> 00:14:25.000 view this, and I'm not a I don't think wins 330 00:14:25.000 --> 00:14:27.360 and losses are a quarterback stat that's just me. I mean, 331 00:14:27.360 --> 00:14:29.159 we kind of do the thing like Mahomes was eight 332 00:14:29.200 --> 00:14:31.919 to zero against Vic Fangio prior to the Super Bowl. 333 00:14:32.279 --> 00:14:34.399 But moving over to the Kansas City side, I mean 334 00:14:34.519 --> 00:14:36.799 Andy Reid's coming back next year. Mahomes is still in 335 00:14:36.799 --> 00:14:39.399 his twenties. We'll see what happens with Kelsey. This does 336 00:14:39.440 --> 00:14:42.840 feel a little bit like the diagnosis we all did 337 00:14:42.919 --> 00:14:45.159 after the Tampa Bay Super Bowl loss where they couldn't 338 00:14:45.159 --> 00:14:47.960 protect Mahomes at all. They obviously have offensive line issues, 339 00:14:48.440 --> 00:14:51.000 but they're among the favorites in some sports books, the 340 00:14:51.000 --> 00:14:53.000 favorite to win it again next year because they have 341 00:14:53.000 --> 00:14:56.080 fifteen hundred center. What does the offseason look like and 342 00:14:56.120 --> 00:14:59.799 do you anticipate a recalibration and maybe a second or 343 00:14:59.799 --> 00:15:02.320 third act with this Kansas City Chiefs team. 344 00:15:03.320 --> 00:15:04.600 Look, I think they're going to be in the mix 345 00:15:04.639 --> 00:15:08.360 again next year because of the Mahomes factor, right, And 346 00:15:08.399 --> 00:15:12.039 I think it's even more magnified to me. Some people 347 00:15:12.120 --> 00:15:15.799 might say, hey, that's a lazy take, but my pushback 348 00:15:15.840 --> 00:15:18.240 on it would be think about what Mahomes was able 349 00:15:18.279 --> 00:15:22.360 to accomplish this year when there were clearly flaws on 350 00:15:22.399 --> 00:15:25.039 that team, and I think they were magnified in the 351 00:15:25.080 --> 00:15:27.159 Super Bowl. And I think the one thing that Bert 352 00:15:27.200 --> 00:15:30.200 Beach is needing to sort of figure out here in 353 00:15:30.240 --> 00:15:32.480 the next couple weeks ahead of the draft is how 354 00:15:32.480 --> 00:15:34.679 do I fill some of these gaps? And there were 355 00:15:34.720 --> 00:15:37.600 gaps on that offensive line. People felt like the shift 356 00:15:37.600 --> 00:15:41.600 with Joe Tounei on that offensive line. Moving him to 357 00:15:41.679 --> 00:15:44.200 left tackle was going to be enough, and for eight 358 00:15:44.240 --> 00:15:45.360 weeks or so, it was. 359 00:15:45.679 --> 00:15:47.080 But I think we forgot what the. 360 00:15:47.039 --> 00:15:50.080 First half of the season looked like for Mahomes. Interceptions 361 00:15:50.080 --> 00:15:52.799 were piling up, sacks were piling up for him, and 362 00:15:52.840 --> 00:15:56.120 there was an unsteady nature around this offense. I think 363 00:15:56.240 --> 00:15:59.399 clearly they need a playmaker on that outside to go 364 00:15:59.480 --> 00:16:03.720 along with an Xavier Worthy be hop Unfortunately. 365 00:16:03.279 --> 00:16:05.039 You know, wasn't that guy. They had to deal with 366 00:16:05.120 --> 00:16:07.519 injuries with Hollywood Brown. You know, they need to. 367 00:16:07.480 --> 00:16:10.039 Figure out that backfield, but Checko was banged up, you know, 368 00:16:10.080 --> 00:16:13.320 like they just never really got that production. But first 369 00:16:13.399 --> 00:16:16.279 and foremost is how do you solidify an offensive line 370 00:16:16.399 --> 00:16:18.440 in front of Patrick Mahomes? And then how do you 371 00:16:18.480 --> 00:16:22.240 add some depth and some pieces on the offensive side, 372 00:16:22.360 --> 00:16:25.679 And more importantly, because it's the defense that carried them 373 00:16:25.720 --> 00:16:27.919 these last two years, how do you make sure you're 374 00:16:27.919 --> 00:16:29.759 in a good spot. So I think you know, in 375 00:16:29.799 --> 00:16:32.919 no particular well actually in a particular order, offensive line's 376 00:16:32.919 --> 00:16:34.879 got to be like first, second, and third, and then 377 00:16:34.919 --> 00:16:37.120 it's another playmaker, whether it's a running back or a 378 00:16:37.120 --> 00:16:39.240 wide receiver. And we got to add some depth to that. 379 00:16:39.240 --> 00:16:42.679 Defense on a couple of other just questions around the league. 380 00:16:42.679 --> 00:16:44.679 Then I'll set you loose and if you need to 381 00:16:44.679 --> 00:16:46.320 hang up on me, Mike, you know you can in my. 382 00:16:46.320 --> 00:16:48.039 Feelings, So I'm good. 383 00:16:48.039 --> 00:16:48.639 They just swift. 384 00:16:49.039 --> 00:16:51.000 I know, I told Porter that I had now time, 385 00:16:51.039 --> 00:16:53.440 but they just they shifted my meeting. So like, I'm 386 00:16:53.440 --> 00:16:54.639 good for a few minutes whatever you need. 387 00:16:54.759 --> 00:16:56.279 Okay, great, because I did want to ask you. 388 00:16:56.320 --> 00:16:58.559 I mean, Jayden Daniels was nearly a ute and then 389 00:16:58.600 --> 00:17:01.120 he ended up down to Arizona's date and you were 390 00:17:01.120 --> 00:17:02.919 with the network and we had him in the Pac 391 00:17:02.960 --> 00:17:05.400 twelve footprint and I remember watching him and being like, yeah, 392 00:17:05.400 --> 00:17:09.279 he's fun, Yeah he's exciting, but come on, man, like 393 00:17:09.359 --> 00:17:12.319 nobody saw this. And I've got a buddy who's a 394 00:17:12.319 --> 00:17:15.640 Commanders fan, and we kind of below our football misery 395 00:17:15.720 --> 00:17:17.319 with me being the Jets fan and him being the 396 00:17:17.359 --> 00:17:20.200 Commanders fan. And if you're a Commanders fan, now they've 397 00:17:20.240 --> 00:17:22.359 got some work to do because he was so good. 398 00:17:22.400 --> 00:17:24.720 I think he was able to cover up some real 399 00:17:24.759 --> 00:17:27.079 holes at Philly exposed. So what do they do this 400 00:17:27.200 --> 00:17:30.000 offseason to make sure they do not Wiye, who clearly 401 00:17:30.119 --> 00:17:33.519