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returning after a little bit of a hiatus. Is Cameron

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McGregor Are you doing Cameron.

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Speaker 2: Very very good, very good, A little cold in the

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dark days of winter, but very happy back on your show.

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How are you, Pete doing good?

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Speaker 1: Doing good? Yeah, you are. You are traveling and you

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are far away and you've been able to see some

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things overseas that we may want to jump into. But

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first I wanted to start talking about, you know, what's

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happening in the country, what's happening in the United States.

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And it seems to me like since Charlie Kirk got shot.

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ever since then, it was an opportunity for if the right,

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if the quote unquote right was going to do anything

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in this country, it was their opportunity to do it.

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It was a It would have been something that they

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could use that they could be like this happened because

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of this, This is what needs to happen because of that,

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And they've comed they never took advantage of it. They've

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lost a plot. And you know, with some of the

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things that Trump has said in the last week, it

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seems like, you know, we're very, very very far off

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of the quote unquote Megatrain, right right.

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Speaker 2: Well, Look, I think that there are two very distinct

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there's a lot of confusion disorientation, which I'll elaborate on

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in just a moment. And I think you see that

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beginning to manifest a bit in Trump's interviews, which I mean,

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he's typically inarticulate, and he tends to vacillate about a

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lot of things. But the best way I've heard it

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described is he's a tired fighter shadow boxing in the dark,

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and I think I think that's a pretty good characterization

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where Trump is right now. He's in battle domestically, he's

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not really getting his way overseas, doesn't seem to have

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a clear strategy. But inside the corridors of power, even

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though Trump is sort of a lame duck in many ways,

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the financial elites, you know, the Silicon Valley elites and

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so forth, they've all sort of had their way with him.

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falling apart, the wars overseas continue, Russia's making gains as

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we speak. You've probably familiar with that. This this summit

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was g I'm told did not go well in South Korea.

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appear to have a more sound political strategy in or

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national strategy than we do. I think, you know, the

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wars overseas, the forever wars that Trump was elected to stop,

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seem ever expanding. So in addition to Ukraine and the

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proxy war that we almost became a full fledged war

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against Iron. Now we've got Venezuela and we've got sort

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that you could get revolutionary change without having a revolution,

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that you could get transformational executive action without the collateral

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invalidated he's delegitimized the electoral process even more. And that's

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a very good thing, because, as I've said, the rights

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now it seems as though things are escalating, they're sliding

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out of control. But the death of Charlie Kirk, the

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racial animus that's festering on the street, the ability of

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word that means super, means above. And I think what's

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sort of ethnos the nationalists that are gaining traction, whether

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this sort of thing. But what's beginning to kick into

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gear is that the legacy structure, the constitutional order is

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over and that we need a new legitimating force and

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that's what is the project that we're embarked upon. But

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to get the Donald Trump and MAGA have to fully implode.

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I'm sure you know them, Pete, who put a lot

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of stock in Donald Trump, who maintain that he's fighting

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the good fight. And I think that that battle was

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concluded a long time ago. And so what you're seeing

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is just the engine finally starting to die, not just

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in a functional sense with Donald Trump and his government

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his inability to affect change, but also in the minds

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of people across the country who are increasingly living very

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difficult lives. Right They're living paycheck to paycheck, they're getting

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squeezed by inflation. Maybe they live in a demographically transformed area,

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which is a nice way of saying there are no

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white people where they live. They feel unsafe, there's a

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specter of criminality and violence against them, and they definitely

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think the country is on a worst track today than

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it was when Donald Trump was elected back in November,

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and then he assumed office in January, which was a time,

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as you know, when there was a temporary break. There

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was a temporary sense of optimism that's gone.

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Speaker 1: Would you say a microcosm of that would be a

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heritage basically coming out and defending Tucker and then seeing

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the pushback, so it almost seemed like Kevin Roberts was

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trying to save something, like he was trying to say, no,

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you know, we have to we have to stand together,

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the right quote unquote whatever that is, has to stand together.

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and attacked and attacked. And what you what you found

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out is is that there is no there, there is

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no cohesiveness.

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Speaker 2: It's all gone.

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Speaker 1: Everything is revolutionary now people are with you know uh.

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left and right, there have to be conversations, yes, And

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then you take a look. You take a look at

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someone like Tucker, who I consider Tucker to be an elite,

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somebody who speaks to elites. His audience is not my,

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his audience is different than my audience. And Tucker is

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talking to people like Anna Kasparian, who is obviously on

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the other side. So it almost seems like there's this

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and having conversations about what comes next. And then you

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language and splitting apart the old thing, and I'm and

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I'm I'm here for it.

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Speaker 2: Yes. Well, look, you know, I do a show with

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Dave Riley, as you know, the backlash, subtle plug, and

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I have to pat myself on the back because I'm

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told I'm not good at that. But in any case,

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you know, Dave, Dave Riley among many like him, they're politicos,

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and so the prism through which they see everything is

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electoral politics. You know, who's in the Senate, who is

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the president, who runs the RNC, who runs the DNC,

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this sort of thing. And what is increasingly happening, as

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it's invalidated, it is another institution. Both of these are

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institutions that have basically conjoined, as we know. But like

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legacy media, like the banking system, like marriage. You know,

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for a lot of men under forty, these are institutions

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that are failing period. They are broken. And so there

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the same result. And in fact, things get work worse

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the way to think about it. It's not logical, it's emotional,

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from pole to pole. There's a snapback that's happening. And

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they're trying to rationalize this thing that's fundamentally irrational, right

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that and you see this with data points, and that's

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a crude way of saying it. But let's say these

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human stories, whether it's a Ukrainian refugee that's murdered by

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some black guy, right, or some kind of a terrorist

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attack or some racially motivated event that has been happening

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book White Girl Bleed a Lot. I don't know if

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they're trying through patchwork and otherwise, as you said, to say, no, no, no,

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we've got to stay together. We've got to maintain our

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relationships with the Zionists. We cannot be too harsh with

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illegal immigration or the race question. In fact, we shouldn't

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delve into that at all. And that sort of moderate legacy, republicanism, conservatism,

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that's dying. It's moribund, it lacks energy, it's completely enervated,

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they're maintaining control of the institutions, including the Republican Party,

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including the two party system, including institutions like Fox News,

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and so even though things are really broken at the foundation,

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they're still collecting dividend checks, and they're still paying keen

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attention to Donald Trump, and they still hang on his

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every word. They shouldn't, and I think younger generations don't

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his speeches every now and again. But the reality is

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it's a marketing ploy. It's a reality TV show that

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interviewed by Laura Ingram, and he said, we're living in

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one of the greatest economies in the history of the country.

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That is self evidently false. And you could get away

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with that when the economy was relatively robust and strong,

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well now that is simply not the case. And so

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people are beginning to say, okay, well you said a

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lot of things, you promise the world you're not delivering.

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And oh, by the way, the Republican Party, the legacy institutions,

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the baby boomers that support you, they don't have answers either.

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So what's happening is this legacy system is imploding. It's

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not breaking, it's collapsing in and of it. And what's

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left over is this revolutionary fervor. The problem is that

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the revolutionary fever, the emotionalism that's come, has not yet

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organized itself. It's beginning to there's a specter of that there.

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But as I said, legacy politicos, people like Dave Riley,

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they will routinely say, well, you can't build a party,

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or you can't build a third party, or you can't

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challenge the Republicans. You know, we've got to take over

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the legacy institutions. And as I said before Pete, that

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is a fool's errand that's not the way this is

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going to go. We're going to have to create something new,

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something super, something meta, something that we haven't seen before.

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And I believe that that starts with young men that

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are mass mobilizing in a sense online, and I think

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there's evidence that it's happening on the street level as well.

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Certainly there is in Europe, and I think the United

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States is lacking behind. But I think we're on the

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same track.

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Speaker 1: What are you think of the strategy of while we're

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doing that, especially when the when you have an economy

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that could possibly implode, our guys getting jobs in the

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government to not only survive, but also to run interference

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for us while we're While we're doing that, well.

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Speaker 2: Look at a personal level, we all have to survive,

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and in fact, that may be the most important strategy

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because there's no question that the people that reign today,

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whether you call them neocons or zionists, or you call

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them vulture capitalists, you know, tech pros, whatever, they all

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seem to have one thing in common. They're very self destructive.

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They're very self destructive. And that's a point that I

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don't think a lot of people realize. In fact, I

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know the elites do not. Ray Dalio, for example, put

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out a tweet I don't know if you saw it,

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basically saying that there are two countries and one country

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is categorically failing. It's illiterate, it's unskilled, it's poor, it

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lives paycheck to paycheck, it has bad credit. And then

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there's a tiny other America. But that America is carrying

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the rest of us. And specifically he said two states,

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and by two states, he meant Wall Street and he

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meant Silicon Valley in California, And I would argue that

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he's got it reversed that actually speaking, Yeah, the majority

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of the country is in big trouble. We know that

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that social cohesion is breaking down for reasons that Dali

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owned company aren't going to talk about. They're not going

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to talk about racial demographic displacement, They're not going to

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talk about the founding ethnos, they're not going to talk

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about the illegitimacy of government. But they are quite right

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to talk about the economic damage. But they don't seem

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to understand is that Wall Street and Silicon Valley are

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the poisonous vessels responsible for that right. They are responsible

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for misallocating capital for the grift machine that's d industryalize,

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the economy that has offshore manufacturing, that's replacing American jobs

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with foreigners and bringing large numbers of people into the

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United States. That is a direct assault on our national

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interests without any regard whatsoever for the collateral damage, and

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no doubt that. And I don't believe for a second

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that the fortune five hundred CEOs in the nineteen eighties

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any more than the tech bros that run Silicon Valley

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today are unaware of the collateral damage that they've done.

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They just don't think that they can be challenged. They

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don't think that their reign, that their dominance over government

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can be overtaken. But in fact, as I said, they

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are self destructive. To your question, what do we do

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within this model, Well, the first thing to do is

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not to blow yourself up. So if you have a job,

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if you're working for the government or what have you,

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you don't want to get too far ahead of the

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destruction or you will blow yourself up. You call it

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ten to yourself. And a lot of this PETE is

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very frustrating for white Americans in particular because we are

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men of action. We tend to want to solve problems,

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and I understand that, but the fact of the matter

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is you have to let the process unfold. And to

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be frank with you, reframing what's happening in a positive

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light is the best thing that you can do. And

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I'll give you a couple of examples of this. Mom.

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Donnie winning in New York City is a massive victory

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for US. Massive victory. Number One, it is a direct

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rejection of Zionist power in New York City. And I've

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been going to New York City for a long time.

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The notion that somebody like him could be elected there

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was fanciful ten years ago. And yet I'm given to

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understand that twenty, maybe thirty percent of the Jewish population

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in New York City supported his candidacy, ironically enough, because

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he's a communist or a socialist, and a lot of

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the Jewish population historically and today they are, and so

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that interest superseded their tribal interest. It seems to some

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degree that's a victory alone in and of itself, so

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challenging the Jewish Zionists control of New York City, which

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I would argue is still the most important city of

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the United States, that's a tremendous victory. Second, it is

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unambiguous evidence that the electoral process is broken, that we

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are now overtaken demographically, and that we're going to have

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to reevaluate how we're going to fix this country. It

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is in some sense what Obama represented to the Tea

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Party in two thousand and eight, a lot of people

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if you go back to two thousand and eight, because

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what people do not remember is that a majority of

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the white population voted against Obama twice and he won anyway,

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because demographically we were in a new era. We were

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in a new time, and that was a very difficult

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pill to swallow for a lot of people, and there

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wasn't a at the time. You probably remember that we

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were in a post racial America. That Obama had a

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viscerated the Republican Party, and what happened was the complete

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inversion of that. In twenty sixteen you got Donald Trump.

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But within a year of Obama being elected, you got

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the Tea Party. And the Tea Party was sort of

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the precursor to MAGA, but it denied being so, and

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that's sort of why it fizzled. But you got this

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massive reaction. Mom. Donnie's election is going to be a

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catalyst for that sort of thing as well. And then thirdly,

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he's going to run New York City, which is already bankrupt.

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It's already egregiously mismanaged. It's already i would say, systemically corrupt.

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He's going to run it right into the ground. And

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that's the best thing that could happen for New York City.

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New York City needs a massive crisis to force a

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lot of these issues to the surface so that we

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can deal with them. So again, the ideas survive if

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you're in the government would have you don't self immolate,

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don't blow yourself up, but prepare because this self destruction

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is spreading. But that will ultimately condition the white population

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to wake up and that Pete. I think that's the

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biggest takeaway of all of this is that whether Trump

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is able to somehow reconcile things, and I don't think

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he is. I think his administration has already done. I

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think MAGA as a movement led by Donald Trump is dead.

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That doesn't mean that the underlying energy is going to die.

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If anything, it's going to strengthen that energy, it's going

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to mobilize it.

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Speaker 1: Even well, yeah, I think that one of the problems

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you have with a lot of people who are still

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trying to you know, the heritages of the world, even

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people who are still paying attention to elections is they

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don't understand the demographics. I was doing your research. In

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nineteen seventy three, eighty three percent of the country was

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white and eleven percent the country was black, So that

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means you had about five or six percent from other places.

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Now it's almost thirty percent of people from other places

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who you know, who have no right to be here.

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I mean, I'm sorry, I'm not going to I'm not

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going to say black people have no right to be here.

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They fucking were brought here, you know it. So the

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it seems like people who are still holding on to

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this whole election thing really don't. Yeah, sure you can

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where I am, where it's mostly white, you're going to

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get You're going to get the elections you want. Someone

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like Mom Damie is not going to even run. They're

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not going to run somebody like that. But in the

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power in the power centers where you know, where people

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want to go, where people say, oh, you can't abandon

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the cities, they're the power centers. But they're it's not white.

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It's it's been the demographics. So what are you going

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to do unless you're willing to, you know, move En

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Moss there and you know, basically change the culture. And

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most people can't afford that. Then you're going to have

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to do You're going to have to do something else.

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And that's something else is outside of the electoral system

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that you and you also talk about mobilizing you know,

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white America a fifty eight percent. Say it's fifty eight percent,

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and some people say it's less. I mean, how yeah,

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how much you know, I'm a vanguardist. I don't know.

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If you have a million people, it's it's it's almost

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impossible to it's impossible to organize a million people. But

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you can organize. You can organize two hundred people, you

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can organize three hundred people. So is that what you're

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talking about. You're talking about people being mobilized to become

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leaders and to become organizers. And you know, I'm not

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scared of the term community organizer just because it's tied

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to Obama. But I mean, that's basically it looks like

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that's what we have to become.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so let me let me let me supplement or

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reinforce a point that you made a moment ago about

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the extent of the demographic change. I do not believe

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white Americans are majority of the country anymore. I don't

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do I have a direct proof of that. I don't

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per se anecdotally. I've been all over the country, and

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it's very alarming because in most jurisdictions that I've been,

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I don't see a whole lot of white folks. I

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really don't. Now. A very specific data point that does

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suggest what we're talking about is even worse is that

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if you go back to nineteen seventy that the top

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ten most populous cities in the country, so we're talking

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cities of a million people are more. All the big boys,

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whether it's Chicago, Philadelphia, Los Angeles, New York, et cetera,

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et cetera. They were all majority white, all of them,

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and today they're all minority white, all of them. So

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if that is not sufficiently alarming to you, then walk outside,

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you take a trip, and open your eyes, because that

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demographic transformation has occurred. And this is why framing our

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issues at the border as an immigration problem. We had

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an immigration problem twenty years ago. Now we have an

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existential crisis of national identity, which is why people are

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talking about civil war openly, which is a term I

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don't use much because I really don't think that that

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that template is what we're going to see for reasons

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that I'll get into in just a moment. But to

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your question about what exactly is this thing that I'm

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talking about that I'm forecasting, what is it going to

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look like? Well, one thing I do not think it's

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going to look like is Caesarism. It's not going to

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be one man who shows up from the heavens and

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declares himself George Washington reborn. It's not going to look

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like that. Maybe it never did look like that. You know,

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I'm a student of history, and we tend to mythologize

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the past. We tend to think that the past, I

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know you are too. We tend to think that the

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past sort of conforms to a Great Men theory of history.

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To some extent, it does, to some extent it does not.

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Occasionally you get Napoleonic figures. Occasionally you get figures like

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Franco figures that come from the military, typically, which is

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the essence of Caesarism. We don't have a system like that.

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So I think what you're going to see some kind

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of reorganization of communities that already exists. And I've talked

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about this before. You have this thing called the manisphere.

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You have this thing called the bitcoin community, you have

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this thing called alternative media. Nick Fointees has his Worper movement.

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And how did these things emerge? How were they scaffolded? Yeah,

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some of it was a cult to personality, but I

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would argue that that's not really what's happening. What's happening

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is you're getting network effects that are scaling, largely because

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of technology. And we haven't seen things like this before, except,

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I would say, in revolutionary France. And in fact, I

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just finished a book that was talking about this very issue.

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It's called Revolutionary Temper, and the author basically argues that

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the social media of its day in the lead up

472
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to the revolution were these cafes. And you know, I

473
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always assumed, Pete, that what was happening in the cafes

474
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were these sort of revolutionary like figures that would sit

475
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:46,400
around and have philosophical discourse. But actually speaking, it goes

476
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,079
much deeper than that. They had their own news media,

477
00:29:49,839 --> 00:29:53,039
There was a rumor mill, there were intelligence operations of

478
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sorts that were all operating through these cafes in Paris

479
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and across the country. The revolution struck all of a sudden,

480
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these cafes which never intended to chop off the king's

481
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head and declare a revolution. They were revolutionary thinkers, but

482
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nobody assumed that such a thing was going to happen.

483
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All of a sudden, they became the bridgeway to something new.

484
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That's exactly what we're seeing in these online communities. That's

485
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why they've been censored. That's why they're so threatening, because

486
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they are revolutionary. And what they're doing is they're building

487
00:30:29,799 --> 00:30:34,799
the foundation, the infrastructure, if you will, to then mobilize

488
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in reality. And I would argue that that is exactly

489
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,839
what you're going to see happen. It will also not

490
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strictly speaking, be a political movement. This is the other

491
00:30:44,079 --> 00:30:47,480
thing is that we're in some kind of a spiritual crisis.

492
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We know that, and I think there is a religious

493
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:55,319
revival happening in the United States. It's not a Protestant revivalism.

494
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It is a Christian revivalism. It's Catholic, it's worth you know,

495
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,880
there's all these various iterations, but it's specifically embedded in

496
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:08,400
young men, and it does it is somewhat reminiscent of

497
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,880
the Great Awakening, and people forget that the Great Awakening

498
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in the seventeenth and eighteenth century that paved the way

499
00:31:17,279 --> 00:31:21,039
for the American Revolution in many ways because it was

500
00:31:21,079 --> 00:31:26,079
a Protestant revolution against the Anglican Church, and that dovetailed

501
00:31:26,119 --> 00:31:30,279
with this new cadre of thinkers that wanted ultimately to

502
00:31:30,319 --> 00:31:34,839
separate from being governed by a monarch across the Atlantic Ocean.

503
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So we have a history of this sort of thing happening,

504
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and I think it is happening, but it's happening in

505
00:31:41,279 --> 00:31:45,559
different forms everywhere that are going to congeal, and they

506
00:31:45,599 --> 00:31:48,960
will congeal not because of one man per se, but

507
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:53,160
they'll probably congeal because of a crisis, of a convergence

508
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,920
of crises, and I think the epicenter of that is

509
00:31:55,960 --> 00:32:00,920
going to be financial, because ultimately the financial crisis will

510
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:06,519
destroy what is a multi racial welfare state. And that's

511
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what the system is, that's what they have built, and

512
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that's what pluralism represents. And I'll add one more thing.

513
00:32:13,599 --> 00:32:17,119
If you go back to what Ben Shapiro, he did

514
00:32:17,319 --> 00:32:21,359
some sort of like sixty minute monologue that was a

515
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:26,920
defamation against Tucker Carlson, specifically in anger at hosting Nick Quentes.

516
00:32:27,319 --> 00:32:29,400
If you listen to a lot of the points that

517
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he said. I've got a couple of them here. He said,

518
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:35,759
the Republican Party is being eaten by radicals. That's true,

519
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:41,960
that's happening. He said Americans hate America. First, he said,

520
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:46,839
Americans hate Tucker Carlson. Well, if you describe Americans as

521
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:52,319
this sort of polyglot, amorphous, multicultural nothing, yeah, I think

522
00:32:52,359 --> 00:32:57,079
he's quite right. The America that he's talking about is

523
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:02,359
what I've called pluralism. It's this a of disintegration in

524
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,759
which the Ethnos who is us has been villainized by

525
00:33:05,759 --> 00:33:08,200
the state, and he wants to preserve that. He wants

526
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,200
to preserve that nation. And it is that nation and

527
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that state that is dying because it's the past, because

528
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:19,279
it doesn't work. And this revolutionary fever that's manifesting in

529
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something new with network effects, scaled by technology, driven by influencers,

530
00:33:25,319 --> 00:33:30,720
with a new ethos, a new fever, that's what's coming,

531
00:33:30,799 --> 00:33:34,119
and he's trying to stop it, and trying to stop

532
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:35,759
it is spreading it further.

533
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:41,079
Speaker 1: The one of the things that you mentioned there, you

534
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,680
mentioned how everything is so multi ethnic here, everything is

535
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:50,279
so multi racial, and you also mentioned like a collapse

536
00:33:50,319 --> 00:33:54,720
and a financial system. What happens I think when like,

537
00:33:54,799 --> 00:33:58,200
if I were to picture and civil war, to me,

538
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,920
here would not be something wise spread. It would be

539
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:04,920
pockets of it and pockets of violence. That's what I

540
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,880
see happening. I see basically a race war, because I

541
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,199
also see a race war. I see a race war

542
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:14,079
in Europe's future. I mean, I mean, like a bloody

543
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:18,760
like is people are going to start talking about World

544
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:24,039
War two again so much blood because it's going the

545
00:34:24,079 --> 00:34:25,719
same thing is going to happen. It's going to get

546
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,519
to the point where they can't afford these people anymore.

547
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:32,559
And these people are you know a lot of the

548
00:34:32,599 --> 00:34:36,039
people that they they imported were people from prisons and

549
00:34:36,079 --> 00:34:38,519
people from mental hospitals and you know, the worst of

550
00:34:38,559 --> 00:34:41,760
the worst from Africa and the Middle East. Yea, And

551
00:34:43,039 --> 00:34:46,760
is that what you I mean, we could talk about

552
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:50,039
here as far as what would happen here when that happens.

553
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,639
But also, I mean, you've been all throughout Europe and

554
00:34:52,679 --> 00:34:55,119
everything you've been spent, you've been spending time there, is

555
00:34:55,119 --> 00:34:57,079
that what you're seeing in the future for them as well.

556
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 2: Look, it's it's happening, and I would I would suggest

557
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,960
that they're actually farther along than we are. A couple

558
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,199
things here. So McGill University, and you may be familiar

559
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:09,840
that they did a study, I want to say, ten

560
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:15,519
years ago on various strategies, ethnocentrism being one of them,

561
00:35:16,679 --> 00:35:19,400
and pluralism more or less I forget the exact name

562
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:23,519
that they use, but basically having outgroup preferences versus in

563
00:35:23,639 --> 00:35:27,119
group preferences, and there were a variety of these. Ethnocentrism

564
00:35:27,199 --> 00:35:30,920
one it won, it prevailed in this scenario of it

565
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:37,519
was basically an evolutionary fitness test, and ethnocentrism prevailed I

566
00:35:37,559 --> 00:35:40,519
think in all their simulations. And that's exactly what you're

567
00:35:40,519 --> 00:35:46,000
seeing happen in ironically enough, in Anglo countries, where I

568
00:35:46,039 --> 00:35:48,840
think there's been the most propaganda, there's the most white guilt,

569
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:56,000
there's the most non white peoples are fetishized the most.

570
00:35:57,199 --> 00:36:00,800
I suppose you could argue that maybe you've got to

571
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,519
run for your money with the Germans and the French,

572
00:36:03,559 --> 00:36:06,760
But even there, having been to both of those countries,

573
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,239
I didn't see that at all. Germans tend to self segregate,

574
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,599
they tend to keep to themselves, and I think that's

575
00:36:12,639 --> 00:36:15,360
what the data says. So they may publicly say, oh, yeah,

576
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,559
you know, I think this is great, but again you

577
00:36:17,599 --> 00:36:21,760
have to look at how they actually behave. And the French,

578
00:36:22,199 --> 00:36:27,000
in my experience, particularly being in Paris, the hostility for

579
00:36:27,079 --> 00:36:31,079
the Muslims is feverish, no question. So I think what's

580
00:36:31,119 --> 00:36:36,119
happening is a tribalization, no question about it. But that

581
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:40,840
tribalism for us is at a much higher level. It's nationalism.

582
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:45,239
It is spontaneous reorganization. And so, for example, in England,

583
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,760
you saw it's not just about protests. You know, I

584
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:50,840
don't protest. I don't know if you've ever been to

585
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,320
a protest. I sort of view it as a colossal

586
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:57,960
waste of time because it is for the most part.

587
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,719
But what is happening in England is you're beginning to

588
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:05,599
see new organizations emerge, because this is what we do

589
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:09,480
as white people's We organize, We create order where there

590
00:37:09,679 --> 00:37:14,199
is none. And I would say, you know, what has

591
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:17,920
been deviled us for so long, it's not just the prosperity.

592
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,679
Certainly the prosperity has doped us up. You know, hey,

593
00:37:21,679 --> 00:37:25,039
things are not that bad, et cetera, et cetera. But

594
00:37:25,159 --> 00:37:28,480
it's been this this sense that, yeah, but the system

595
00:37:28,559 --> 00:37:32,559
still represents me, it still looks out for me in

596
00:37:32,599 --> 00:37:35,000
some particular way. This is the myth of Donald Trump

597
00:37:35,639 --> 00:37:40,079
that is dying a thousand deaths. And so now people

598
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:42,360
in England, and I'll just give you an example of this.

599
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:47,760
He're seeing protesters show up at Buckingham Palace and they're

600
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:52,119
chanting where's the king, Where is the king? Where is

601
00:37:52,119 --> 00:37:55,639
the king? And in France you have this for this

602
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,880
descendant of the Bourbon Kings, Louis de Bourbon I made

603
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,960
a video about this. I'm like channel who basically said, look,

604
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:07,159
the Fifth Republic is dead. Fifth Republic is the constitutional

605
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,840
form of government that has governed France since nineteen fifty eight.

606
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:14,239
It was basically stitched together by De Gaul and this

607
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,760
guy said, look, the Fifth Republic is over. It doesn't work.

608
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:20,639
The president of the country has no legitimacy, the public

609
00:38:20,679 --> 00:38:25,440
hates him. He needs to resign. The parliamentary system itself

610
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:29,519
is broken. And so if you will have me, I

611
00:38:29,599 --> 00:38:32,599
will be your king. And if you were coal the

612
00:38:32,639 --> 00:38:36,679
last time we talked, I talked about this concept of succession.

613
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,559
And so what's happening is to your point earlier you're

614
00:38:40,599 --> 00:38:45,679
starting to see on the edges and exoginously new new

615
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,679
organizations and so the protests in England, some of I'm

616
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:51,960
being told that there are new parties that have formed

617
00:38:52,519 --> 00:38:56,599
and splinter groups, things of that nature. Again, nothing that's collapsed,

618
00:38:56,639 --> 00:38:59,119
nothing that's going to scale just yet, but there's a

619
00:38:59,199 --> 00:39:03,480
recognition that parliamentary system it's broken. So yeah, we can

620
00:39:03,559 --> 00:39:06,119
vote out kir Stammer, who cares, You're going to get

621
00:39:06,159 --> 00:39:08,719
somebody just as bad. And Nigel Ferraj he's not going

622
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,239
to solve it either. And so the edifice of democracy

623
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,960
and we know it's not really democracy, it's some kind

624
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:20,079
of a corrupt oligarchy that's now beginning to resonate with people.

625
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:23,239
They're starting to say, yeah, this is this democratic system.

626
00:39:23,519 --> 00:39:27,599
It doesn't work, and we've got ethnocentrically organized. We've got

627
00:39:27,599 --> 00:39:32,639
to nationalize to survive, to regain control of our country.

628
00:39:32,679 --> 00:39:35,440
That comes later, but I think right now it's survival

629
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,639
and that hasn't reached the majority of the populations in

630
00:39:38,639 --> 00:39:43,320
Europe yet, But there's fear. There's a sense, hey, you know,

631
00:39:43,599 --> 00:39:48,920
these political structures, these leaders, they're losing control. And I

632
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,039
do think we're living in a time pede in which

633
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:56,119
capacity for leadership is demanded. And the fact of the

634
00:39:56,159 --> 00:39:58,679
matter is whether it's Donald Trump who's telling people, hey,

635
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:02,239
the economy is amazing, I'm the greatest president ever, or

636
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:06,679
it's the eureaucrats inside the European Union who are saying, look, yeah,

637
00:40:06,679 --> 00:40:10,719
the economy's bad. Yeah, the country's ransacked with immigrants. Let's

638
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,880
go fight the Russians. That's the answer. This is a

639
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,880
kind of bankruptcy that is only fueling the fire.

640
00:40:19,679 --> 00:40:25,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, the idea that the structure as it exists now

641
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:31,199
has to always exist, that it's the perfect Anyone who's

642
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:34,519
ever like if you've ever been into cars, everyone has

643
00:40:34,559 --> 00:40:39,039
had an old car that they held onto too long

644
00:40:39,639 --> 00:40:44,400
where it didn't matter who the driver was, it just

645
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,559
didn't work anymore, and it was just a matter of

646
00:40:46,639 --> 00:40:48,760
whether you could fix it or not. And if you

647
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,639
can't fix it anymore, or it's just beyond fixing, or

648
00:40:51,639 --> 00:40:53,719
you just don't want to pay to fix it anymore.

649
00:40:54,559 --> 00:40:57,159
Sure you parted out. There are some things you're going

650
00:40:57,199 --> 00:40:59,320
to keep. There are some good ideas from the past

651
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:03,239
that you might forward, but a lot of that is

652
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:05,679
just going to the whole body of it is going

653
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:09,440
to be left behind. And I think people just haven't.

654
00:41:09,679 --> 00:41:14,119
People don't realize because they this is one lifetime and

655
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:18,079
no one has seen real radical I have. I remember

656
00:41:18,199 --> 00:41:20,440
the day that the Soviet Union, I remember the day

657
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,079
that Brilin Wall came down. I remember the day the

658
00:41:23,119 --> 00:41:27,559
Soviet Union disintegrated. And it's like, in the way I

659
00:41:27,599 --> 00:41:30,440
grew up worried about all that stuff, it was like, Oh,

660
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:32,280
this is forever, this is going to go on forever.

661
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,199
And now all of a sudden, this thing is gone.

662
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,760
And people see it as a kind of failure, like

663
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:41,400
it's a reflection of themselves. No, it's not a reflection

664
00:41:41,519 --> 00:41:45,280
of yourself. It is what happens. It is the march

665
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:48,400
of history, and you're living in the march of history,

666
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:50,239
and they're trying to fight against it.

667
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:55,800
Speaker 2: You're one hundred percent right, I knew. I like to Pete, listen,

668
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,119
you're a smart man, and you're a student of history.

669
00:41:58,119 --> 00:42:03,039
And nations go through this, and I've tried to convey

670
00:42:03,079 --> 00:42:06,599
this to Americans. Look, I am a heritage American. I

671
00:42:06,599 --> 00:42:09,440
don't like that term. Obviously, I'm just an American, Okay.

672
00:42:09,559 --> 00:42:14,159
My family came from England and Scotland in sixteen twenty.

673
00:42:15,199 --> 00:42:19,480
From the beginning. You know, I'm descended from Quakers, the

674
00:42:19,519 --> 00:42:24,639
crazy Quakers in will Penn's colony that became Pennsylvania. All right,

675
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:29,760
so I know whereof I speak. And people think that government,

676
00:42:30,639 --> 00:42:36,679
that the Constitution is what defines us. No, the Constitution

677
00:42:37,039 --> 00:42:41,360
was a document. It was a first draft of sorts

678
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:45,159
that was designed to do one thing, basically, constrain the

679
00:42:45,159 --> 00:42:47,599
power of the states so that the eth nose could

680
00:42:47,599 --> 00:42:51,719
define itself. That was the idea. That was the point.

681
00:42:52,119 --> 00:42:54,440
And so when you hear people like Charlie Kirk, God

682
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:58,320
rest his soul, but he was wrong. He would be asked,

683
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:02,320
you know, this is a white country. This is we

684
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:06,880
never voted to be demographically replaced. Where are white Christian

685
00:43:07,119 --> 00:43:08,800
you know, things of this nature. And he would say, well,

686
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:12,400
show me where in the Constitution it says this. And

687
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:17,440
this is a complete bastardization, a misunderstanding of what that

688
00:43:17,519 --> 00:43:21,119
document was all about. No, a nation is its people

689
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:26,440
always and forever, and the state can change. There's great fluidity.

690
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:30,360
There's any number of states that have ruled Great Britain

691
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:35,320
or Spain or what have you. Sometimes they're constituted, sometimes

692
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:39,000
they are not. And that is the proper framework with

693
00:43:39,039 --> 00:43:42,320
which to see and understand where we are. It's not

694
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,360
just that pluralism as structured as falling apart. This this

695
00:43:45,599 --> 00:43:50,000
multicultural America where I watch a movie called Captain America.

696
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,960
I think it came out in twenty ten or twenty eleven,

697
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:56,559
and it's ostensibly about Chris Evans, who's who's the white

698
00:43:56,559 --> 00:44:00,159
American guy, and then his whole team of people. He's

699
00:44:00,199 --> 00:44:02,320
got a black guy and an Asian guy in a

700
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:05,719
World War two And it's like, what's happening here? This

701
00:44:06,119 --> 00:44:10,079
is cultural appropriation, this is revisionism. This is designed to

702
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,800
erase us and all at the behest of a state

703
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:18,400
that we know has been subverted, destroyed, and turned against us. Right,

704
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:23,119
So you're exactly right, that is what's collapsing that constitution,

705
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:27,519
which is predicated on one thing. And I just can't

706
00:44:27,559 --> 00:44:33,960
stress us enough. Every legitimate state rests on an unspoken

707
00:44:34,039 --> 00:44:37,960
covenant that we call a social contract. It is not written,

708
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:41,679
it is unspoken. Every society has that. The Russians habit,

709
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:45,039
the Chinese habit, and these social contracts are very different.

710
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:50,119
In our case, it was basically, we maximize freedom or

711
00:44:50,159 --> 00:44:53,079
we trade off our freedom for the power of the state.

712
00:44:53,679 --> 00:44:56,719
That was one. But before you even get there, you

713
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,639
have to have a social contract in which and all

714
00:45:00,199 --> 00:45:03,199
forms of government are premise on this, in which there

715
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:06,320
is a separation between the citizen and the non citizen.

716
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:11,159
That is the cornerstone. And what has happened, and this

717
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:16,599
is what Donald Trump has articulated recently, among others, is

718
00:45:16,639 --> 00:45:20,719
that that distinction between citizens and non citizens has been dissolved,

719
00:45:21,599 --> 00:45:24,679
which means the social contract is broken, which means the

720
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:30,159
constitution is illegitimate, which means the state is illegitimate. And

721
00:45:30,199 --> 00:45:32,559
if the founding fathers, and again I don't like that

722
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,800
term either, there was a founding Ethnos, and there were

723
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,440
a group of men that stitched together a framework of

724
00:45:38,519 --> 00:45:41,800
government that expressed the will of thatth Nos. But if

725
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:44,960
they were alive today, they would say exactly what I'm saying.

726
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:46,800
They would say, give me liberty or give me death.

727
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,920
They would say that this is an illegal government that

728
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:54,119
has lost its mandate because it has violated the social contract.

729
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:56,960
There's one other thing I'll say about this too, just

730
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:02,199
as a brief philosophical point, there has been in the

731
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:05,639
United States and Great Britain for the last several hundred

732
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:11,320
years in every political science department, a standard instruction that

733
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:14,199
you teach that a social contract is this sort of

734
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:18,400
Hobbsy and social contract, or it's a Lockean social contract,

735
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:20,920
the Lockian social contract. As you have these natural rights,

736
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,960
they come from God, and ultimately that's enshrined in some

737
00:46:24,079 --> 00:46:28,400
kind of legal document, and that confers legitimacy on the government,

738
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:31,119
protects the individual, et cetera, et cetera. And then there's

739
00:46:31,159 --> 00:46:36,559
this Hobbsian social contract, which is about a collective security

740
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:41,239
agreement in which the population basically says, look and the

741
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:46,000
state of nature, restore order, and we empower you to do.

742
00:46:46,079 --> 00:46:50,280
So what I am arguing to some degree is that

743
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:53,960
the Hobbsy and social contract is the precondition for the

744
00:46:54,039 --> 00:46:58,760
Lochean social contract. That we are now in a lawless

745
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:03,960
country where the state is illegitimate and losing control of

746
00:47:04,039 --> 00:47:08,679
the country. So we need a leviathan. But hobbs did

747
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:11,840
not necessarily mean a leviathan is a king, but he

748
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:16,360
meant it is concentrated power that's given that power by

749
00:47:16,679 --> 00:47:20,880
the people, by the e f nos and his contractual

750
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:25,079
obligation is to restore order. And if you know your history,

751
00:47:25,079 --> 00:47:28,119
You know that Thomas Hobbs lived through the English Civil

752
00:47:28,159 --> 00:47:31,239
War in the sixteen forties. He saw what happened when

753
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:33,280
the sovereign had his head chopped off and then all

754
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:36,440
of a sudden boom, you get a revolutionary moment. That

755
00:47:36,639 --> 00:47:38,960
is the moment that we were in, and I do

756
00:47:39,039 --> 00:47:42,880
think that this revolutionary fever is actually beginning to figure

757
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:44,559
that out, which is why you're hearing a lot of

758
00:47:44,599 --> 00:47:48,599
people talk about monarchy. It's why you hear fascism things

759
00:47:48,599 --> 00:47:51,679
of that nature. And that's not quite what's happening as

760
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:55,199
much as it is this Karl Schmidt moment in which

761
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:58,679
the state has lost legitimacy and we have to restore order,

762
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,760
and then we have to reform government so that the

763
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:06,800
citizen and the non citizen are sharply distinguished. And I

764
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,280
think the new form of government is going to do that.

765
00:48:09,639 --> 00:48:12,000
How much collateral damage there is between now and then,

766
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,760
I don't know. But the problem for the Boomers, the

767
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:18,599
Conservatives and all the rest is that they're trying to

768
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:27,639
conserve and inherently broken and inconsistent a system that's in

769
00:48:27,679 --> 00:48:30,880
conflict with itself. And it always was, it always was

770
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:34,280
from the nineteen sixties forward, it was never going to work.

771
00:48:34,519 --> 00:48:37,119
One other thing I'll say, though, is that and other

772
00:48:37,199 --> 00:48:40,320
people have made this argument, and I think it's correct,

773
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:45,239
is that one of the things that the racial civil

774
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:48,280
war of sorts, and I think that's what happened in

775
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:50,920
the sixties to some degree, and I think that that

776
00:48:51,039 --> 00:48:53,880
racial conflict is coming back. But one of the things

777
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:57,800
that that accomplished is that it created what we call

778
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:03,119
white America. Before JFK, before the civil rights era, before

779
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:07,519
the massive criminality in the black migration up north and

780
00:49:07,599 --> 00:49:10,840
across the country. In white flight, there were Italians and

781
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,639
there were Germans, and there were Wasps and so forth.

782
00:49:14,119 --> 00:49:18,000
That fused. And I think what's happening now is you're

783
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:21,719
seeing a fusion again of that ethnos and that is

784
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,000
to say, something new is coming. It will be rooted

785
00:49:24,039 --> 00:49:27,079
in the past, but some new identity, and it may

786
00:49:27,079 --> 00:49:30,880
not be exclusively white either. The core will be white,

787
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:34,719
of course, but there may be others that support us.

788
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:37,519
I don't know, but I do think that that is

789
00:49:37,559 --> 00:49:40,840
a fundamentally important point, because what's happening is that that

790
00:49:41,119 --> 00:49:45,960
racial fantasy that we had created, the successful multi racial,

791
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:50,880
pluralistic society, it's dying. As we speak, and that's really

792
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,760
what the boomers are fighting to hold on to. And

793
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:57,440
that's why when denesh Tsuza, that's why when vivek Romswami

794
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:00,400
self immolate and they say, oh, no, no, I'm Indian.

795
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:02,960
We need all Indians to come here. All of a sudden,

796
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,400
that throws that into sharp belief and they're like, what

797
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:07,719
do you mean you're an American like me? And it

798
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:11,920
explodes the myth that we had successfully assimilated these people,

799
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:15,119
because that's the line. They're not really Americans. They're just

800
00:50:15,159 --> 00:50:18,119
foreigners that came here, that made a good life for themselves,

801
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:21,159
and now they're serving their tribal interests because there's a

802
00:50:21,199 --> 00:50:23,039
significant number of them here.

803
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:25,679
Speaker 1: Well, I think the argument that you'll hear, like if

804
00:50:25,679 --> 00:50:28,239
you bring up Japan, it's like, we shouldn't Japan be

805
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:31,360
for the Japanese and shouldn't America be for the Americans.

806
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:34,440
Everybody wants to ask, well, what is an American? And

807
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:38,719
we just look at the founding stock and look it

808
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:41,800
just come forward. You know I'm talking. You know, when

809
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:47,400
you look at nineteen seventy three and ninety five percent

810
00:50:47,559 --> 00:50:53,159
of the country is white and black. Majority white, A

811
00:50:53,199 --> 00:50:57,199
small section of black. Okay, that's a that is what

812
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:01,360
America was for. You know, at least after eighteen sixty five.

813
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:03,639
We can argue. We could argue all day about the

814
00:51:03,639 --> 00:51:07,199
war between the States, but no matter. And that's why

815
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:10,639
they have to kill and say there's no such thing

816
00:51:10,639 --> 00:51:14,320
as white when basically it's you know, it's white Europe

817
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:16,639
that built this country and made it what it was,

818
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:19,599
you know, I mean they talk about, oh, well, you know,

819
00:51:19,679 --> 00:51:21,559
you brought slaves over here in the country, wouldn't be

820
00:51:21,559 --> 00:51:25,719
the same. It's like anyone who studied slavery knows that

821
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,599
they did as little as they could not to be punished.

822
00:51:28,599 --> 00:51:31,320
They were running away all the time. If this had

823
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:34,960
been you know, if we had industrialized earlier, or if

824
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:38,840
that had been left up to white stock, who knows

825
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:42,360
how much further we could be along. That's and that's

826
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:45,440
why you have this. You know, every once in a while,

827
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:48,559
somebody will put up the book all the books that

828
00:51:48,599 --> 00:51:52,360
have been written about anti whiteness in the last fifteen years,

829
00:51:52,679 --> 00:51:56,719
which the overwhelming majority have been written by only one group,

830
00:51:57,039 --> 00:51:59,760
which is you know, we could talk about the fact

831
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:03,039
that most of the people who write those books are Jewish,

832
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:07,599
but they have to destroy the fact that this is

833
00:52:07,639 --> 00:52:12,239
a white country. And unfortunately, since nineteen sixty five when

834
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:17,639
em Manuel Seller another one threw open the gates that

835
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:22,360
now we have thirty percent people here who know nothing

836
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:25,840
about Europe and the heritage of Europe, and not only

837
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:29,320
don't know anything about it, they are adversarial to it,

838
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:31,400
just the idea of order.

839
00:52:33,559 --> 00:52:38,559
Speaker 2: Look one quick note. Every society, every civilization on this

840
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:43,000
planet in documented history, was founded on some degree of barbarism,

841
00:52:43,599 --> 00:52:46,679
all of them, whether it was slavery, or it was war,

842
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:50,320
or it was conflict, all of them. Let's stay Japan,

843
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:55,039
for example, the Japanese subjugated and destroyed the I knew

844
00:52:55,039 --> 00:52:58,039
people who were indigenous to the island of Japan. Okay,

845
00:52:58,199 --> 00:53:01,639
so there's your ethno state, there's no complication. Yes there

846
00:53:01,679 --> 00:53:06,000
is complication. Yes there was a displacement. That's true for

847
00:53:06,119 --> 00:53:09,519
all peoples in all societies and all civilizations in the

848
00:53:09,559 --> 00:53:12,519
history of the world. I challenge anybody to point to

849
00:53:12,559 --> 00:53:15,360
one that isn't. And if you get somebody who says, well, yeah,

850
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:18,400
what about Belgium or one of these ridiculous artificial states, Yeah,

851
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:22,960
that was a creation of a war. All of these

852
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:27,119
things are the products of human conflict in one way,

853
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:31,679
shape or form. That's just the nature of history. Regarding

854
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:37,559
our identity. George Kennon George Frost Kennon wasp maybe the

855
00:53:37,599 --> 00:53:42,000
most significant diplomat history of the United States. Many attribute

856
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:45,719
containment to him. He said in a lecture, I want

857
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:48,760
to say in the nineteen fifties that the United States

858
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:52,559
is a country that admits that its capacity for assimilation

859
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:57,199
is limited beyond peoples of Caucasian descent. If you go

860
00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:01,960
back in time, then you can go to Krevker, who

861
00:54:02,039 --> 00:54:04,960
wrote Letters from an American Farmer, which was an attempt

862
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:07,159
to explain what was happening in the New World to

863
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:09,880
the French, and he said, what is an American? An

864
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:13,440
American is a melding of European peoples. That's right, That's

865
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:17,639
what it was. It was Huguenots who was Protestants from

866
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:22,000
the United States, Scots. You know. Eventually we had Slavs

867
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,039
who came, we had Italians and soff but we had

868
00:54:24,079 --> 00:54:29,880
a core ethnos that shared the same culture, language, in

869
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,440
the same sense of destiny. And what I do when

870
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:35,519
I presented with that is I say, okay, fine, name

871
00:54:35,679 --> 00:54:39,760
an idea of value that is universally recognized as an American,

872
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:44,840
whether it's the Constitution or it's a realizing the American dream,

873
00:54:45,119 --> 00:54:49,559
you know, home ownership. Name one idea that is derived

874
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:56,599
from a source other than white Europeans. Silence, jazz music. Okay,

875
00:54:57,039 --> 00:54:59,880
you know, fine, I'll give you that. But the re

876
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:04,000
reality is that actually speaking our identity, not only was

877
00:55:04,039 --> 00:55:06,800
it pretty monolithic, but relative to a lot of countries

878
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:09,239
in Europe. And I talked about this on the backlash

879
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:11,760
because a lot of people don't understand that a country

880
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:16,719
like France very diverse. You have Italians and Germans and others,

881
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:20,559
and what unified them was less ethnicity than it was

882
00:55:20,599 --> 00:55:24,400
in the United States. It was the crown. It was Catholicism.

883
00:55:24,599 --> 00:55:28,199
That's what unified France for centuries. You could argue it

884
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:31,000
still does in some way, shape or form. But in

885
00:55:31,039 --> 00:55:34,400
the United States it wasn't those things. It was the

886
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:38,400
English language. It was originally Protestantism, but I would say

887
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:41,559
Christianity because we always had Catholics and it was that

888
00:55:41,559 --> 00:55:44,679
white Ethnos that was the glue that held everything together.

889
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:49,440
And that's why the constitutional framework of government worked because

890
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:52,719
the people that drafted that document really didn't know what

891
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:55,039
kind of country we're going to have. It's why there's

892
00:55:55,079 --> 00:55:57,280
a lot of holes in it. But they had faith

893
00:55:58,039 --> 00:56:01,119
in the white population that they could settle and build

894
00:56:01,119 --> 00:56:04,719
this country without much central management and governance, and that's

895
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:08,159
exactly what happened. The issue today is that now we

896
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:11,000
need and this gets to the heart of the matter,

897
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:20,039
Now we need concentrated power, probably realized by some mass mobilization.

898
00:56:20,159 --> 00:56:23,159
And I've used this term mass mobilization event. You could

899
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:28,239
use Leviathan. I've used that term before as well, to

900
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:32,519
transform the country, to restore order. And this is a

901
00:56:33,679 --> 00:56:36,599
conundrum because you have a lot of people. I'll give

902
00:56:36,679 --> 00:56:40,920
you an example, a guy like Judge Napolitano. I respect

903
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:44,119
Judge Napolitano. He's an intelligent guy. I agree with much

904
00:56:44,159 --> 00:56:49,039
of what he says. But when he talks about Trump's attempt,

905
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:53,239
and it is an attempt to harness the power, to

906
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:58,079
marshal the power of the state to go into local municipalities,

907
00:56:58,639 --> 00:57:03,199
round up a legal immigrant and who came here not

908
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:08,079
just came here illegally, but are subsidized illegally by the state,

909
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:11,360
by the taxpayers. So it's not just that they, oh,

910
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:14,559
you know, there are these innocent people. They had to

911
00:57:14,599 --> 00:57:16,760
break our law so they could get here, and now

912
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:19,320
they're enriching us with their labor. No, no, no, these people

913
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:22,559
are disproportionately dependent on the largesse of the wealth that

914
00:57:22,639 --> 00:57:27,679
we have created. That's theft, particularly if you haven't entered

915
00:57:27,679 --> 00:57:33,239
into a contract with said individual who's donating or contributing

916
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:37,239
the revenue that subsidizes you. They entered into no such contract. Okay,

917
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:42,320
they have stolen in addition to violating sovereignty, in addition

918
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:44,280
to not speaking our language, so forth, and so on.

919
00:57:44,639 --> 00:57:50,360
But Judge Depolitano says, well, there is precedent in the

920
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:55,039
United States is prints versus the United States, and in

921
00:57:55,119 --> 00:57:57,800
prints versus the United States. You have these chief law

922
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:02,719
enforcement officers, these sheriffs Arizona and Montana, and in that

923
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:07,639
particular Supreme Court case, basically what happened is had you

924
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:12,599
had an attempt by the Democrats back in the late

925
00:58:12,679 --> 00:58:17,199
nineties to mandate background checks when guns were purchased, and

926
00:58:17,239 --> 00:58:20,079
you had these chief law enforcement agents who did not

927
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:24,559
want to enforce federal law to do that, so they

928
00:58:24,719 --> 00:58:28,199
went to the Supreme Court and Scalia said the federal

929
00:58:28,239 --> 00:58:31,280
government does not have the authority to do this, and

930
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:34,760
he gave three reasons why. He said, number one was

931
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:39,079
the historical understanding and practice of the United States and

932
00:58:39,079 --> 00:58:43,679
its governance. Number two was the structure of the Constitution itself,

933
00:58:44,159 --> 00:58:47,559
and number three was the jurisprudence of the Court, the

934
00:58:47,599 --> 00:58:52,039
discretion of Scalia, and the other eight. The problem is,

935
00:58:52,199 --> 00:58:58,920
and so essentially Napolitano, who's a libertarian, he uses his

936
00:58:59,119 --> 00:59:03,400
justification to say, technically speaking, yeah, Trump can send in

937
00:59:03,719 --> 00:59:08,679
the National Guard or ice to protect federal property, but

938
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:13,360
they are limited in their capacity to engage in police action,

939
00:59:13,519 --> 00:59:19,400
particularly the US military, by this particular Supreme Court standard,

940
00:59:20,039 --> 00:59:23,039
because it is a violation of the Constitution, and illegal

941
00:59:23,079 --> 00:59:28,440
immigrants have due process and therefore the same rights effectively

942
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:32,480
as citizens of the United States. Technically speaking, by the

943
00:59:32,559 --> 00:59:36,159
letter of the law. He's correct, that's true. The problem

944
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:41,960
is we are in an emergency. We're not facing we're

945
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:48,320
not facing an exogenous, rare, anomalous aberration. We're talking about

946
00:59:48,679 --> 00:59:52,960
a mass invasion of the United States of America. And

947
00:59:53,039 --> 00:59:55,519
that means that the rule of laws we understand it

948
00:59:55,559 --> 01:00:00,159
has broken, it has dissolved, and that requires there is

949
01:00:00,199 --> 01:00:04,599
a concentration of power in the sovereign to address what

950
01:00:04,679 --> 01:00:08,519
is an existential crisis against the country. And unfortunately Napolitano

951
01:00:08,719 --> 01:00:11,880
and when you hear him express those words, what are

952
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:15,199
you hearing. You're hearing the Republican Party, that's what you're hearing.

953
01:00:15,239 --> 01:00:18,800
You're hearing the baby boomers, who again are trying to

954
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:24,199
legitimize an illegitimate state that must be delegitimized so that

955
01:00:24,239 --> 01:00:27,079
we can save the United States, which is the preservation

956
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:30,840
of its ethnos. So this is the pickle that we're in.

957
01:00:31,719 --> 01:00:35,440
But the good news is that you have the most

958
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:39,639
propagandized generations, the most disoriented generations of men. I'm talking

959
01:00:39,639 --> 01:00:43,840
about gen Z and millennials. And what's happening, Pete is

960
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:49,239
the archetype of their national identity, their masculinity. I call

961
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:54,840
it masco nationalism. That is getting stronger, it's pulsating, it's feverish,

962
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:57,840
and it's beginning to organize itself. And that's what Ben

963
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:01,480
Shapiro and company fear because that's the future. That's the

964
01:01:01,519 --> 01:01:04,480
direction that we're moving in. And frankly speaking, I don't

965
01:01:04,559 --> 01:01:08,840
exactly know how far it's going to boomerang. I think

966
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:11,559
it's going to boomerang pretty far. But we'll have to

967
01:01:11,599 --> 01:01:14,119
wait and see, and it's going to look a lot

968
01:01:14,159 --> 01:01:17,400
different than what we've seen in the past. That's something

969
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:19,599
I've tried to streuss with people, and you know a

970
01:01:19,599 --> 01:01:22,079
lot of folks of Peter are probably like you in

971
01:01:22,119 --> 01:01:25,519
this space, is that they're very empirical. They're very logical,

972
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:29,960
and to some degree that's a precondition for being aware.

973
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:33,280
The problem is that the great events of human history

974
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:37,480
are not logical, They're not empirical. They tend to be metaphysical.

975
01:01:37,719 --> 01:01:40,239
They tend to be spontaneous, and all of a sudden,

976
01:01:40,559 --> 01:01:43,519
as you said, a moment ago, everything changes, and we

977
01:01:43,559 --> 01:01:46,880
are in such a moment today. Yeah.

978
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:50,480
Speaker 1: I think one of the big problems is is when

979
01:01:50,519 --> 01:01:54,880
you get into crisis mode, those people who even have

980
01:01:55,239 --> 01:02:01,280
a just a rudimentary historical have been historical knowledge will

981
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:04,559
be like, oh, well, Rome tried that and then Caesar

982
01:02:04,679 --> 01:02:08,199
came along, and then Caesar never gave up power. And

983
01:02:10,599 --> 01:02:13,599
I think what people don't, what people failed to realize

984
01:02:13,679 --> 01:02:16,880
is is that one of the one of the biggest

985
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:20,039
problems we have is you know what Sam Francis called,

986
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:23,239
you know, the revolution of mass and scale? Is you

987
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:28,119
just one ruling three hundred and fifty million people or

988
01:02:28,159 --> 01:02:32,280
probably four hundred million people. It's just impossible. People talk

989
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:33,880
about this all the time. Oh, we're going to get

990
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:36,400
a strong man elected, and he's going to he's gonna

991
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:41,280
what like Trump is getting Like Trump has like mayors

992
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:43,880
in towns who are like, yes, send the send the

993
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:47,840
I was gonna say the IDF, which is pretty but

994
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:52,119
you know, send send border Patrol here, or send I

995
01:02:52,239 --> 01:02:54,440
n S here, and we're going to arrest them. It's like,

996
01:02:54,719 --> 01:02:57,599
you do you realize how many people you have to

997
01:02:57,639 --> 01:02:59,800
get on board, how many people you're going to have

998
01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:02,239
to threaten, and you don't have that many troops. Oh

999
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:04,320
we can get that many troops. So our guys just

1000
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:08,360
want want the one America back. It's like, now you're

1001
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:11,039
falling right back into the same trap of going back

1002
01:03:11,039 --> 01:03:14,519
into a managerial state. And that's exactly what a strong

1003
01:03:14,559 --> 01:03:17,320
man is going to end up doing, is what This

1004
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:19,800
is what James Burnham wrote about when he wrote about

1005
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:23,280
the manager or Revolution. He was not talking about only FDR.

1006
01:03:23,679 --> 01:03:25,719
He was also talking about Hitler and he was talking

1007
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:28,599
about Stalin. He's like, they're all going to fall into

1008
01:03:28,679 --> 01:03:32,639
managerial states because that's where we're at and that's what

1009
01:03:32,639 --> 01:03:34,000
they're that's what they're creating.

1010
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:37,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it could go that way. Look, some

1011
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:39,639
of what's happening too, and I've talked about this before

1012
01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:44,519
is a modernization project. I mean, right now, the most

1013
01:03:44,559 --> 01:03:48,440
important thing that's happening is nothing that we've discussed so far. Really,

1014
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:54,480
it's the deterioration inside the financial system. It's the secured

1015
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:57,639
overnight funding rate that's becoming a ratic, it's the repo

1016
01:03:57,800 --> 01:04:00,079
rate that's becoming a ratic. And without getting into the

1017
01:04:00,119 --> 01:04:06,000
details of that, basically the circulatory system of the financial

1018
01:04:06,079 --> 01:04:11,880
system is disrupted. It's experiencing I think it's beginning to

1019
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:16,400
experience a cardiac arrest. That's the most important thing. And

1020
01:04:16,679 --> 01:04:19,360
what's the institution charged we're dealing with that, Well, it's

1021
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:22,440
the FED. Well, the FED has been around since nineteen thirteen,

1022
01:04:23,239 --> 01:04:27,480
and the FED has a model of the monetary universe

1023
01:04:27,559 --> 01:04:31,679
doesn't work anymore. If they print money, you get massive inflation,

1024
01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:36,119
and it's their charter to prevent inflation. At the same time,

1025
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:39,840
they've got a labor crisis, and it's their charter, based

1026
01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:45,159
on the dual mandate to maximize full employment. If they

1027
01:04:45,559 --> 01:04:49,039
don't print money, then we get interest rates spike, and

1028
01:04:49,159 --> 01:04:51,840
you get a debt crisis and some kind of a

1029
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:55,519
depressive economic activity. At the same time. Part of their

1030
01:04:55,639 --> 01:04:59,159
mandate is to regulate the banking system. Well, the banking

1031
01:04:59,199 --> 01:05:05,360
system has lent itself into oblivion through something called shadow banks,

1032
01:05:06,079 --> 01:05:09,360
which basically engage in all the same kind of malfeasans

1033
01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:11,400
and fraud that we saw in the lead up to

1034
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:15,280
two thousand and eight. They just do it indirectly via

1035
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:19,840
shadow banks, which are non non depository financial institutions, is

1036
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:22,800
what they're calling it. It was shadow banks until recently,

1037
01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:25,480
and now they've got this official acronym that makes it

1038
01:05:25,519 --> 01:05:27,960
sound legitimate, but no, these are. It's just a giant

1039
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:31,719
Ponzi scheme. And the point is that the framework, the

1040
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:36,280
models that the FED is using, they're inadequate. The world

1041
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:39,760
is too complicated, it's too dynamic, there's too many variables

1042
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:42,480
to control, and that's why they're losing control of the

1043
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:45,000
whole system. And that's a big part of this as well,

1044
01:05:45,039 --> 01:05:48,639
because that is just a microcosm of the entire government

1045
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:53,000
trying to manage a pension system for one hundred million Americans.

1046
01:05:53,039 --> 01:05:57,079
This is insane. It simply cannot be done. You know,

1047
01:05:57,159 --> 01:05:59,960
it's been said that socialism in some way, shape or

1048
01:06:00,119 --> 01:06:04,079
form has been successful on a very small scale. Well

1049
01:06:04,079 --> 01:06:07,800
maybe in a city state slash country like a Sweden,

1050
01:06:08,199 --> 01:06:10,880
right where there's only five to ten million people. We're

1051
01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:15,440
talking about a society at scale that's hard to imagine,

1052
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:18,760
and that may necessitate a brand new form of government.

1053
01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:22,119
To your point, that we haven't seen before. This is

1054
01:06:22,159 --> 01:06:24,199
the kind of thinking that we've got to engage in

1055
01:06:24,719 --> 01:06:27,760
beyond just the racial crisis, the Jewish problem, and the

1056
01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:30,480
rest of it. We got to rebuild the infrastructure across

1057
01:06:30,519 --> 01:06:35,440
the country. We have to reevaluate, rewire what that nine

1058
01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:38,920
to five paradigm looks like for average Americans as the

1059
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:43,119
economy restructures and the government is sort of at the

1060
01:06:43,119 --> 01:06:47,480
center of all of it, and it's a disoriented, obsolescent mess.

1061
01:06:47,719 --> 01:06:50,639
So I think you're quite right. Part of the issue

1062
01:06:50,719 --> 01:06:53,280
is that we're talking about the future and the unknown,

1063
01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:56,159
and we're trying to use language from the past to

1064
01:06:56,320 --> 01:07:00,119
describe that. And it's not that that's an appropriate that

1065
01:07:00,159 --> 01:07:02,880
it's incomplete right, And one of the things I've tried

1066
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:06,639
to emphasize with people, Christopher Hitchin said that the twentieth

1067
01:07:06,639 --> 01:07:12,119
century was about three ideas solinism, fascism, and imperialism. We

1068
01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:16,800
voove beyond that. We're in a very different world today. Equally,

1069
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:20,719
you listen to Neocns talk about or Zionist talk about Hitler,

1070
01:07:22,159 --> 01:07:26,000
Putin is Hitler, g is Hitler. They bear an no resemblance.

1071
01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:31,119
The world has completely changed. Everything has changed, and their

1072
01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:33,960
model of the universe has not addressed that, and that's

1073
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:38,320
in part why they're confused. They're panicking and losing control.

1074
01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:45,679
Speaker 1: Do you think there is any threat considering how far

1075
01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:48,440
we've come with technology, how far we've come. I mean,

1076
01:07:49,079 --> 01:07:51,800
is there any threat that you could have one country

1077
01:07:51,840 --> 01:07:55,159
who could dominate the globe I'm talking about, you know,

1078
01:07:55,519 --> 01:08:04,440
basically like In pushed their morals upon another, upon multiple

1079
01:08:04,840 --> 01:08:10,920
multiple countries and peoples. Or is that just are we

1080
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:15,239
are we at the point where we're looking at regionalism

1081
01:08:15,719 --> 01:08:16,399
going forth.

1082
01:08:17,119 --> 01:08:19,359
Speaker 2: You know what's really interesting about your question is that

1083
01:08:19,399 --> 01:08:22,880
the premise of the question assumes that we ever had

1084
01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:26,399
such a super state? Do that? I say that in

1085
01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:30,479
part because I have traveled extensively. I've been all over

1086
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:35,520
Latin America, for example, Colombia, Mexico, I speak pretty good

1087
01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:37,520
Spanish too, so I can talk to a lot of

1088
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:42,119
the locals. I've also been to Asia. You know, I

1089
01:08:42,479 --> 01:08:45,000
haven't been to Vietnam with a French war, for example,

1090
01:08:45,079 --> 01:08:49,000
but I have been to some colonial former colonial states.

1091
01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:51,720
And what is truly remarkable when you go to a

1092
01:08:51,760 --> 01:08:57,000
lot of these places is how the European influence basically

1093
01:08:57,079 --> 01:09:02,319
disintegrates almost overnight, once that European population has gone. Yeah,

1094
01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:05,560
maybe the edifice is still there. You know, there's French architecture.

1095
01:09:06,680 --> 01:09:08,279
But you know, you got to a city like Ho

1096
01:09:08,399 --> 01:09:11,399
Chi Minh City and you think to yourself, Hey, is

1097
01:09:11,399 --> 01:09:15,800
there any am I in sort of France, in Polynesia

1098
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:21,520
or in Southeast Asia? No, no, you're not. In other words,

1099
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:24,760
I think that we were always a bit we as Americans,

1100
01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:28,279
in particular, the Brits less so, because the British Empire

1101
01:09:28,840 --> 01:09:32,720
was not about exporting civilization. It was about making money.

1102
01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:36,000
It was a business enterprise more than anything else, and

1103
01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:39,960
run as such. It was run very effectively in large

1104
01:09:39,960 --> 01:09:44,000
measure because the Crown outsourced it to private enterprises like

1105
01:09:44,399 --> 01:09:47,039
the British East India Company, which is far better equipped

1106
01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:50,039
to at least in the beginning, and Minister and run

1107
01:09:50,439 --> 01:09:54,039
colonial holdings, and the British monarchy was for all kinds

1108
01:09:54,079 --> 01:09:58,680
of reasons, and that speaks to the difficulty of imperium itself.

1109
01:10:00,079 --> 01:10:01,920
Know again, you could go back to the Romans, but

1110
01:10:02,279 --> 01:10:06,279
you're talking about the Mediterranean. Uh, there's a whole other

1111
01:10:06,319 --> 01:10:09,840
side of the world, folks. So I'm not sure that

1112
01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:13,800
we that there was ever a world in which one

1113
01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:20,359
country orchestrated disproportionate outsize power with one caveat wherever I

1114
01:10:20,479 --> 01:10:25,520
go with with with whomever I interact with. American media

1115
01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:31,840
does reach them. Our our movies, our music, our language.

1116
01:10:32,239 --> 01:10:35,960
More or less, that does reach. But does it penetrate

1117
01:10:36,039 --> 01:10:38,640
in the sense that it changes. No, I don't. I

1118
01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:41,199
don't think it has. In other words, the Russians or

1119
01:10:41,239 --> 01:10:44,680
as Russian today as they've ever been. I think the

1120
01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:47,640
Latin American culture is actually reverting back to what it

1121
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:50,720
was pre Columbian times. In other words, it's sort of

1122
01:10:51,279 --> 01:10:57,319
shedding the Spanish Portuguese colonial influence as it as it is.

1123
01:10:58,520 --> 01:10:59,920
So I think the answer to your question is no,

1124
01:11:00,239 --> 01:11:03,079
I don't think that's going to happen. And the leading

1125
01:11:03,159 --> 01:11:05,680
candidate for that that everybody is afraid of in the

1126
01:11:05,720 --> 01:11:09,079
United States is China, and China could not be more

1127
01:11:09,199 --> 01:11:13,239
disinterested in that prospect, nor do I think the Chinese

1128
01:11:13,279 --> 01:11:16,399
could pull that off. But from their vantage point, if

1129
01:11:16,399 --> 01:11:18,880
you're not ethnically Chinese, they don't care about you, and

1130
01:11:18,920 --> 01:11:22,119
they do not believe for a moment for a second

1131
01:11:22,520 --> 01:11:25,199
that if you're not in Chinese you can be Chinese.

1132
01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:28,079
So I think the answer your question is no, and

1133
01:11:28,119 --> 01:11:31,319
that should give us some comfort because there is this

1134
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:33,840
fear mongering that you hear from a lot of the

1135
01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:38,039
DC elites who think that the international community's billiard balls.

1136
01:11:38,479 --> 01:11:41,079
So as we take a step back, somebody else takes

1137
01:11:41,079 --> 01:11:44,119
a step forward, our loss is their game. This is

1138
01:11:44,199 --> 01:11:47,000
just not reality. We live in a very complicated world.

1139
01:11:47,479 --> 01:11:50,760
And even though China and I'm very bullish on the Chinese,

1140
01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:53,439
I think what they have accomplished over the last thirty

1141
01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:56,560
to forty years is nothing short of spectacular. I mean,

1142
01:11:56,560 --> 01:12:00,000
they've affected an industrial revolution in about half the time.

1143
01:12:00,039 --> 01:12:02,760
I am as the Europeans and I saw it when

1144
01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:04,880
I was over there. But the Chinese have a lot

1145
01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:08,960
of problems, and they have especially the problem you mentioned earlier,

1146
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:11,760
which is they've got a lot of Chinese and it's

1147
01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:15,000
very difficult to govern China, and a lot of people

1148
01:12:15,039 --> 01:12:17,840
think that China's is top down authoritarian state. This is

1149
01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:23,399
not true for logistical reasons. The country's too big to

1150
01:12:23,399 --> 01:12:26,359
be run that way. And actually speaking, it's very provincial.

1151
01:12:27,039 --> 01:12:31,079
China's largely run and governed by the provinces for exactly

1152
01:12:31,119 --> 01:12:34,439
the reason that you said. It's just so damn large.

1153
01:12:34,439 --> 01:12:37,840
And the fear in China is that it may come apart.

1154
01:12:38,279 --> 01:12:40,119
And this has been a fear in China for a

1155
01:12:40,239 --> 01:12:43,640
thousand years, two thousand years. So no, I don't see

1156
01:12:44,159 --> 01:12:48,000
I don't see that world emerging either, And I don't

1157
01:12:48,039 --> 01:12:52,399
necessarily I don't necessarily think that we are in a

1158
01:12:52,479 --> 01:12:57,680
conflict that has to be kinetic either. That depends more

1159
01:12:57,720 --> 01:13:02,199
than anything on our ability to desionize. Right, We've got

1160
01:13:02,399 --> 01:13:07,159
to aeskew Zionism. That's the real source of the balicosity

1161
01:13:07,199 --> 01:13:10,960
around the world. That's ground zero for it. That's what's

1162
01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:17,760
behind I think this ridiculous escalation against Putin. I think

1163
01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:20,439
that's what is pushing us into war with the Raan

1164
01:13:21,359 --> 01:13:24,239
Venezuela is probably a little bit different, But the neocons,

1165
01:13:24,239 --> 01:13:26,439
the Zionis, they support that too because they think it's

1166
01:13:26,439 --> 01:13:29,399
a proxy war against China. The fact of the matter

1167
01:13:29,439 --> 01:13:32,199
is the world has changed, has already changed. We can't

1168
01:13:32,199 --> 01:13:36,079
reverse that. And what we have to do as Western

1169
01:13:36,079 --> 01:13:38,560
peoples and as Americans is we've got to retrench. We've

1170
01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:42,399
got to save the national identity. We've got to become preservationists.

1171
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:47,439
Expel the foreigners inside our borders before we completely implode.

1172
01:13:47,479 --> 01:13:50,439
That is the challenge of our time. It is not

1173
01:13:50,600 --> 01:13:52,399
some external enemy, it's internal.

1174
01:13:54,439 --> 01:13:57,800
Speaker 1: You mentioned that wherever you go, they get our news,

1175
01:13:57,840 --> 01:14:02,439
they get our media, they get our Hollywood and everything.

1176
01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:05,319
And you know, if you're talking about Asia and it

1177
01:14:05,359 --> 01:14:08,399
doesn't take hold, that's very good, because I mean that's

1178
01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:14,560
really a way of zionizing a population. But how is Europe.

1179
01:14:15,359 --> 01:14:18,960
Europe has to have fallen under that spell to the

1180
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:21,560
most for the most part. Would you say it's zionized

1181
01:14:21,640 --> 01:14:25,239
or would you say this is the old European elite

1182
01:14:25,279 --> 01:14:30,840
who were or yeah, I think it's a social engineering

1183
01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:35,119
regime that Europe has undergone, the social engineering regime we

1184
01:14:35,199 --> 01:14:36,159
have since World War Two.

1185
01:14:37,399 --> 01:14:40,000
Speaker 2: I no, I think you're quite right when I say

1186
01:14:40,039 --> 01:14:43,159
that it hasn't penetrated. I'm talking about non Western societies

1187
01:14:44,199 --> 01:14:47,800
and you could argue, right, you'll go to countries like

1188
01:14:48,239 --> 01:14:53,119
Colombia and you will hear ideas, for example, like feminism.

1189
01:14:53,159 --> 01:14:56,680
It's discussed, but it's not really operationalized. I mean, you

1190
01:14:56,720 --> 01:14:58,880
go to a country like Columbia, you're in a very

1191
01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:04,760
different civilizational construct. So, yeah, maybe they watch some YouTuber

1192
01:15:04,920 --> 01:15:08,520
in the United States who talks about women's empowerment that

1193
01:15:08,600 --> 01:15:11,199
has nothing to do with daily life in Colombia. But

1194
01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:14,560
regarding the West as we understand it, and I would

1195
01:15:14,600 --> 01:15:18,319
basically say poland West, something of that nature, maybe the

1196
01:15:18,359 --> 01:15:24,159
old Roman line. It's completely brainwashed. And I would argue,

1197
01:15:24,199 --> 01:15:27,079
I think the Europeans are even more so than we are,

1198
01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:33,600
particularly the older generations and the elites. However, like us,

1199
01:15:34,199 --> 01:15:37,880
what is happening in young men I would say forty

1200
01:15:37,920 --> 01:15:42,279
and younger, especially the younger you go, is a total

1201
01:15:42,319 --> 01:15:47,399
rejection of that. Now the female matters. That's that's the inverse.

1202
01:15:47,399 --> 01:15:50,560
It's a mirror image and that has created a massive problem.

1203
01:15:50,600 --> 01:15:52,920
And you know, it sort of makes sense, right, Women

1204
01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:57,479
echo power, Men compete for power, and women sort of

1205
01:15:57,520 --> 01:16:00,159
there's supplicants to it. We know that that's not a

1206
01:16:00,239 --> 01:16:03,319
new revelation. And so my sense is when the power

1207
01:16:03,399 --> 01:16:07,680
structure changes, they will change too. It probably changed pretty fast.

1208
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:15,039
But for the moment, the brainwashing has penetrated the psyche

1209
01:16:15,039 --> 01:16:18,439
of Europe. But I would argue it's not the brainwashing

1210
01:16:18,479 --> 01:16:21,880
so much as it's still the trauma of post war Europe,

1211
01:16:21,960 --> 01:16:24,079
you know, And that's why you hear everything is a

1212
01:16:24,119 --> 01:16:27,319
reference to Hitler, everything is a reference to Mussolini, even

1213
01:16:27,359 --> 01:16:30,039
though those historical events at this stage it's not like

1214
01:16:30,039 --> 01:16:33,680
they're unrelated. But to say that what we're living through

1215
01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:36,520
today is a precise template, that's just not the case.

1216
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:40,319
It's a very different world. But nonetheless, that post war

1217
01:16:40,399 --> 01:16:46,159
trauma is definitely powerful and it has institutionalized itself in Europe.

1218
01:16:46,279 --> 01:16:52,600
The good news is that these Eurocrats, that's effectively, they're

1219
01:16:52,640 --> 01:16:58,600
so brainwashed and so embedded in that paradigm that they're

1220
01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:02,479
self destructing. In other words, they're not competent executives. You know.

1221
01:17:02,600 --> 01:17:04,800
This is back to this point, is they don't really

1222
01:17:04,840 --> 01:17:06,800
know how to run governments. What they know how to

1223
01:17:06,840 --> 01:17:08,640
do is virtue signal. They know how to give a

1224
01:17:08,640 --> 01:17:12,840
stump speech in which they can damn authoritarianism and racism

1225
01:17:12,920 --> 01:17:14,560
and all the rest of it. But in terms of

1226
01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:18,760
actually operationalizing anything. They don't know anything, and that's what's

1227
01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:21,520
really been on display since twenty twenty two. And the

1228
01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:25,000
special military operation is that you have a major war

1229
01:17:25,119 --> 01:17:28,840
Peepe in Ukraine, a major war in which millions of

1230
01:17:28,840 --> 01:17:33,640
people's lives are being destroyed, millions of people potentially have

1231
01:17:33,680 --> 01:17:37,199
been killed. I'm talking about people on the battlefield. And

1232
01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:40,920
Europe is de industrialized, it's hollowed out. They're in no

1233
01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:44,960
position to fight anybody. And yet to hear them speak, oh, well,

1234
01:17:45,479 --> 01:17:49,079
we're going to ramp up defense spending, okay, and do

1235
01:17:49,159 --> 01:17:52,720
what you're shutting down factories across Europe, there's no concept

1236
01:17:52,760 --> 01:17:54,720
of that because all they know how to do is

1237
01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:57,880
virtue signal because of the mind virus that you reverted to,

1238
01:17:58,239 --> 01:18:01,199
and that has been how you succeed in Europe and

1239
01:18:01,279 --> 01:18:05,439
the United States politically for fifty years. That's how it's been,

1240
01:18:05,840 --> 01:18:08,760
and that's why the system is so hollowed out, right,

1241
01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:11,159
that's why you don't get any change. And Trump is

1242
01:18:11,199 --> 01:18:14,039
an example of that too, not himself per se, But

1243
01:18:14,239 --> 01:18:16,960
who is it that he surrounded himself with. It's the

1244
01:18:17,079 --> 01:18:20,119
usual suspects. It's not like he had a counter elite

1245
01:18:20,479 --> 01:18:23,399
that went into government had the same views you and

1246
01:18:23,479 --> 01:18:26,800
I do. They don't, you know. They are people like JD. Vance,

1247
01:18:27,640 --> 01:18:31,560
They're people like Howard Lutnik or Whitcoff. They're either from

1248
01:18:31,560 --> 01:18:35,439
Wall Street or they're from Silicon Valley, or they're you know,

1249
01:18:35,800 --> 01:18:38,520
boom or billionaires that are still stuck in the past.

1250
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:41,960
And again, that's why his administration is imploding. It's not

1251
01:18:42,039 --> 01:18:45,920
just corruption, it's also a broken paradigm that these people

1252
01:18:45,960 --> 01:18:48,239
just can't free themselves from. And an example of that

1253
01:18:48,279 --> 01:18:51,359
with Donald Trump is changing the Defense Department to the

1254
01:18:51,359 --> 01:18:54,119
War Department. You know why did he do that? I'll

1255
01:18:54,159 --> 01:18:56,359
tell you why. Because Donald Trump. And I've met many

1256
01:18:56,399 --> 01:18:59,800
people like Donald Trump in my lifetime, I really have,

1257
01:19:00,319 --> 01:19:03,800
you know, old timers. He thinks that the United States

1258
01:19:03,880 --> 01:19:06,680
has just a few policies away from the nineteen fifties.

1259
01:19:07,159 --> 01:19:09,840
That's what he thinks, and he could not be more wrong.

1260
01:19:09,960 --> 01:19:15,920
That's why he is deployed this ridiculous tariff package because

1261
01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:17,720
he thinks, oh yeah, I can sort of just hammer

1262
01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:19,000
the rest of the world and all of a sudden

1263
01:19:19,399 --> 01:19:21,520
everything will come back and we'll stitch it all together.

1264
01:19:21,880 --> 01:19:26,560
Everybody still needs the dollar. We don't live in that

1265
01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:28,640
world anymore. We don't.

1266
01:19:30,279 --> 01:19:32,960
Speaker 1: So in my opinion, just judging from what we've seen

1267
01:19:33,039 --> 01:19:36,079
so far, I think the midterms are going to go

1268
01:19:36,520 --> 01:19:43,079
to the Blue team, you know, just and so here's

1269
01:19:43,079 --> 01:19:45,960
a question I wanted to ask about. That is for

1270
01:19:46,079 --> 01:19:50,000
what you see for the future. And you and I

1271
01:19:50,039 --> 01:19:53,600
have very very similar visions for the future. Which would

1272
01:19:53,680 --> 01:19:56,079
be better? Would it be the Blue team winning next

1273
01:19:56,159 --> 01:19:57,920
year or the Red team winning next year? The Blue

1274
01:19:57,960 --> 01:20:00,159
team winning in twenty twenty eight, the Red team in

1275
01:20:01,039 --> 01:20:03,279
twenty twenty eight, Not that they're going to make any

1276
01:20:03,439 --> 01:20:06,159
change that is going to be good for us, but

1277
01:20:06,720 --> 01:20:09,239
to create an environment that would be good for us,

1278
01:20:09,279 --> 01:20:10,520
what do you think would be better?

1279
01:20:11,079 --> 01:20:13,399
Speaker 2: Well, I said a moment ago, I think the election

1280
01:20:13,439 --> 01:20:16,840
of Mom Donnie's is a very positive development. So if

1281
01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:19,560
the Blue team wins, that's probably a good thing. But

1282
01:20:20,199 --> 01:20:24,600
standing above all of it is Donald Trump's failure. You know.

1283
01:20:25,159 --> 01:20:29,319
I had a very good discussion recently with somebody that's

1284
01:20:29,720 --> 01:20:33,159
an expert in all things Russia, and I asked them

1285
01:20:33,159 --> 01:20:35,640
about Putin. I said, you know, what do you think

1286
01:20:35,720 --> 01:20:38,359
because we seem to be living in a time in

1287
01:20:38,399 --> 01:20:43,800
which these sort of older civilizations, it's not necessarily that

1288
01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:45,880
they're on par with us, or that's the wrong way

1289
01:20:45,920 --> 01:20:48,720
to think about it. But they're regaining a sense of themselves.

1290
01:20:48,960 --> 01:20:53,000
They're sort of marching in the right direction. At least

1291
01:20:53,079 --> 01:20:56,119
they have governments that are promoting their national interests. Right.

1292
01:20:57,239 --> 01:21:00,520
What do you think of this guy putin? Is he

1293
01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:03,960
a world historical individual? And this guy said, no, he's not.

1294
01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:07,840
He said, he's a transitional figure. He is facilitating the

1295
01:21:07,880 --> 01:21:12,520
way to the world historical individual. That is exactly what

1296
01:21:12,560 --> 01:21:17,039
Donald Trump is. Donald Trump was never the world historical individual.

1297
01:21:17,079 --> 01:21:20,720
He was not Julius Caesar, He's not Ouiver Cromwell. He's

1298
01:21:20,760 --> 01:21:23,920
a transitional figure, and he is presiding, I would say,

1299
01:21:23,960 --> 01:21:29,760
like Buchanan over a mess. And when he is finally exposed,

1300
01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:33,720
his administration fails. And I think it is failing, and

1301
01:21:33,760 --> 01:21:37,439
I do think the specter of that failure is becoming

1302
01:21:37,520 --> 01:21:40,000
more and more undeniable. Although there are a lot of

1303
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:42,239
people that are still carrying water for him, I think

1304
01:21:42,239 --> 01:21:44,720
it's getting harder and harder to do that. I think

1305
01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:48,279
his failure, Pete is the most important development, because when

1306
01:21:48,359 --> 01:21:54,760
he fails, you're talking about fifty years of populism since

1307
01:21:55,439 --> 01:22:00,399
Richard Nixon in nineteen sixty eight. That's dead. Promise of

1308
01:22:00,439 --> 01:22:03,479
Richard Nixon, was the promise of Ronald Reagan, was the

1309
01:22:03,479 --> 01:22:09,359
promise of Pat Buchanan, was the promise of Donald Trump,

1310
01:22:10,359 --> 01:22:14,159
And that was, finally, we've elected somebody that's going to

1311
01:22:14,359 --> 01:22:22,359
push back the progenitors, the subversives, the villains that are

1312
01:22:22,399 --> 01:22:26,039
destroying this country and are destroying at piece mill systematically,

1313
01:22:26,079 --> 01:22:30,279
who hate us. And in each case it was a fraud.

1314
01:22:30,920 --> 01:22:32,960
Now we could quibble about why it was a fraud,

1315
01:22:33,439 --> 01:22:36,279
but what's particularly dangerous about it is that we just

1316
01:22:36,359 --> 01:22:39,119
kept coming back for more. You know, people thought, oh,

1317
01:22:39,199 --> 01:22:41,319
Reagan's great, and they didn't realize, well, yeah, but he

1318
01:22:41,359 --> 01:22:45,439
de industrialized the country. He basically handed everything over to

1319
01:22:45,479 --> 01:22:50,319
Wall Street. We know how that ended. He pumped the

1320
01:22:50,439 --> 01:22:53,840
national debt and deficity, created a lot of the structural

1321
01:22:53,840 --> 01:22:57,720
deficits we're dealing with today. And he brought in the Desigonists,

1322
01:22:57,720 --> 01:23:02,479
the neo conservatives. A lot of that happened under Reagon

1323
01:23:02,640 --> 01:23:05,560
and Nixon, and I think was a bit better. But again,

1324
01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:08,960
did he restrain, did he arrest his takeover of institutions? No,

1325
01:23:09,079 --> 01:23:15,119
he legitimated it. He legitimated affirmative action, He maintained. There's

1326
01:23:15,239 --> 01:23:20,039
continuity with the great society, which is why we're structurally

1327
01:23:20,039 --> 01:23:23,680
broken as the government. When Trump goes down this time,

1328
01:23:24,560 --> 01:23:28,600
that fifty year period of populism is done. It's over.

1329
01:23:29,479 --> 01:23:32,800
The Republican Party will die in the same manner. I

1330
01:23:32,840 --> 01:23:37,119
think that the Republican Party died in nineteen twenty nine

1331
01:23:37,479 --> 01:23:40,479
or nineteen thirty two. You could argue, now it did

1332
01:23:40,520 --> 01:23:43,720
come back, it managed to survive and sort of reorganize itself.

1333
01:23:44,159 --> 01:23:47,439
But look, the Democratic Party more or less died in

1334
01:23:47,479 --> 01:23:50,560
the eighteen sixties. You know, we have this sort of seesaw.

1335
01:23:51,159 --> 01:23:53,399
This time the two party system is going to die.

1336
01:23:53,439 --> 01:23:56,520
This time the Democrats and the Republicans are going to

1337
01:23:56,560 --> 01:23:59,880
go down. But Trump has got It is vitally important

1338
01:24:00,159 --> 01:24:06,119
in my view that he fails very publicly for the fraud,

1339
01:24:06,199 --> 01:24:11,680
the untoward the subversion that he ultimately represents, because that,

1340
01:24:11,920 --> 01:24:14,720
I think we'll say to the American people, hey, look

1341
01:24:14,880 --> 01:24:18,319
this is enough. I've had enough. I no longer believe

1342
01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:22,199
in this fiction, and I'm ready for something new. We're

1343
01:24:22,239 --> 01:24:26,479
not quite there yet, but the murmurings, the beginnings of it,

1344
01:24:26,479 --> 01:24:31,079
it's there. It's in this conversation, it's online that's the future.

1345
01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:35,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think when you will hear people say that

1346
01:24:35,279 --> 01:24:39,520
Trump is a transitional figure, and it's just a matter

1347
01:24:39,560 --> 01:24:42,439
of what the transition is. I think most people think

1348
01:24:42,439 --> 01:24:44,840
it's going to be a transition into a new golden

1349
01:24:44,880 --> 01:24:49,600
age where everything gets reborn like the nineteen fifties, or

1350
01:24:49,680 --> 01:24:52,800
it's going to be a transition into something that's radical

1351
01:24:52,920 --> 01:24:58,000
and something that's new. And most people are just too

1352
01:24:58,159 --> 01:25:03,640
comfortable to to prefer the ladder, and the ladder is

1353
01:25:03,680 --> 01:25:06,319
the only way forward, and the ladder is really the

1354
01:25:06,359 --> 01:25:10,199
only way you're going to live through history, where you're

1355
01:25:10,199 --> 01:25:13,079
going to experience history. If you want to keep if

1356
01:25:13,119 --> 01:25:17,399
you want to keep experiencing this New Deal regime, this

1357
01:25:17,520 --> 01:25:22,239
Nuremberg regime that we've had, hope for the best, keep

1358
01:25:22,319 --> 01:25:24,640
kicking the can down the road if you want to

1359
01:25:24,640 --> 01:25:26,319
see what comes next, and you want to be a

1360
01:25:26,359 --> 01:25:32,640
part of history, if you want to experience history. It's

1361
01:25:32,319 --> 01:25:36,039
it's what we need is radical change.

1362
01:25:36,199 --> 01:25:39,359
Speaker 2: But this is the crucial point, right Pete, because and

1363
01:25:39,560 --> 01:25:41,760
I try to emphasizes the people all the time, because

1364
01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:43,479
there's a lot of people in our spaces and I

1365
01:25:43,520 --> 01:25:47,600
know you experienced this too, that are very frustrated because

1366
01:25:47,640 --> 01:25:49,880
they have the realizations that we do. And they say, yeah,

1367
01:25:49,880 --> 01:25:52,359
but I want to go to the street corner, I

1368
01:25:52,399 --> 01:25:53,960
want to hold of a sign and I want to

1369
01:25:54,039 --> 01:25:57,760
scream to the top of my lungs that these truths

1370
01:25:57,840 --> 01:26:01,359
that I know and the reality is number one, that's

1371
01:26:01,479 --> 01:26:06,479
not gonna work. Persuasion is the most overrated art form

1372
01:26:06,479 --> 01:26:08,640
I've ever seen. I mean, just just as an aside

1373
01:26:08,680 --> 01:26:11,319
to give an example of this. Did Nick Flentes ever

1374
01:26:11,359 --> 01:26:15,800
debate Charlie Kirk No? Did he ever debate Ben Shapiro? No?

1375
01:26:16,560 --> 01:26:21,600
Has has he has? Has his views? And the Groydberg Movement,

1376
01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:25,399
if you want to call it that, have they outpaced

1377
01:26:25,840 --> 01:26:29,720
the Daily Wire and Turning Point USA. Yeah, they have.

1378
01:26:30,720 --> 01:26:34,319
Time makes more converts than a reason. And that's what

1379
01:26:34,359 --> 01:26:39,359
we're seeing unfold. People are waking up, but the majority,

1380
01:26:40,039 --> 01:26:44,159
the masses don't really matter. They don't the normies are

1381
01:26:44,239 --> 01:26:47,800
sort of irrelevant. And this is not an opinion, this

1382
01:26:47,880 --> 01:26:51,399
is a historical fact. If you look at any major

1383
01:26:51,479 --> 01:26:54,239
war that's ever been fought, only a small minority fighter.

1384
01:26:54,840 --> 01:26:57,359
The vast majority are in the rear. They don't fight.

1385
01:26:57,880 --> 01:26:59,960
If you look at the American Revolution, a very small

1386
01:27:00,079 --> 01:27:02,920
percentage of the American people supported the revolution. A very

1387
01:27:02,920 --> 01:27:07,119
small number of people financed the revolution, and it almost

1388
01:27:07,159 --> 01:27:09,159
disbanded because of that. You know, a lot of people

1389
01:27:09,199 --> 01:27:13,560
don't realize that those who made the revolution, they sacrificed

1390
01:27:13,600 --> 01:27:17,319
a great deal. Most of the country were tories or

1391
01:27:17,399 --> 01:27:21,840
they were neutral, they did not get involved. In that sense.

1392
01:27:21,840 --> 01:27:25,279
What we're experiencing today is exactly the same thing. It

1393
01:27:25,359 --> 01:27:30,800
is minorities that change the trajectory of history always. This

1394
01:27:30,880 --> 01:27:33,000
is how it always is. This is why when we

1395
01:27:33,039 --> 01:27:37,319
talk about history we talk about mass movements and things,

1396
01:27:37,760 --> 01:27:41,359
not really we talk about vanguards, we talk about individuals.

1397
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We talk about small numbers of people. Whether it's a

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scientific breakthrough, you're talking about a very small number of people.

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And that should be empowering because then you realize, hey,

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I'm awakened. I sort of know where we're headed. I

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know that this MAGA thing is going to fail, and

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I can prepare mentally and otherwise for that realization. Whereas

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the vast majority of the pep of the country, they

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are in denial. They may suspect, but they don't really know,

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and they probably choose not to engage. And frankly, that's okay.

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That's fine. Most people shouldn't engage in this. They probably

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shouldn't participate in this. It should be about a minority,

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a minority that's informed, that's passion, and passion, so forth

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and so on. That being said, what is precarious about this?

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And I can't stress this enough. There are three components

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that we need for this whole thing to come together,

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and I think it will, and I think it's going

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to happen across Europe. I think there's going to be

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a conjoining to some degree of these kinds of movements,

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a confederation of sorts of Europeans and Americans who will

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cooperate to promote sovereignty wherever they may be, because we

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all face the same problem in more or less the

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same manner, and I think it can be overcome with

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that cooperation. I'm not talking about a super state, I'm

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not talking about any of that. I'm just talking about

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a common enemy that we can all fight similarly. We

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can help each other together, and a lot of the

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Europeans are doing this. It is happening here. But there

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are three components that are essential. The first is the opportunity.

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The opportunity has not presented itself yet we are migrating

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in that direction, and I think we're accelerate. We're on

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an accelerated track for all the reasons that we've discussed,

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namely the financial mess. And god knows, we'll see maybe

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there's a war overseas that's thrown into the mix. Usually

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that's how these things go. Maybe that'll happen as well.

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But opportunities number one. Number two is organization some of

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the things that we've talked about, and how to scale

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that and how to purpose it in the right direction.

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And then thirdly, and this is what I'm particularly worried about,

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leadership And you can sense, and I'm sure you experience

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it with your group, peep, there is a hunger for leadership,

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particularly from young men. It's a very masculine thing. I mean,

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I've talked about this before. We're leaving an age of prosperity,

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which is a feminine age. It's an age in which

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you don't think about the future, you think about the present.

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It's an age in which there is an abundance, whether

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it's real or perceived. And it's an age of tolerance,

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right of ease. Now we're going into an age of scarcity,

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which will be more masculine and that will demand leadership.

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But Americans in particular have a real fetish for clownish leaders.

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Donald Trump is an example of this. If Donald Trump

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were a lot smarter, more capable, we could be farther

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along than we are. There's no doubt in my mind,

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as structurally broken as the government is, as monolithically opposed

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to him as the media was, if he was a

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little bit smarter, a little bit savvier organized, I think

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we'd be farther along. My great fear, Peede, is that

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the masses in the United States are going to pick

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shitty leaders again. The sort of vanguard groups that we're

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talking about will select the wrong people, the people that

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don't really have a vision, that are sort of a

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cult like you know, Andrew Tape like figures, And we

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don't need that. We need serious minded people to go

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into these institutions and really repair them and restore order

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in this country. And I just the fear in me

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is that in the United States we just have a

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bad track record of picking those people. The rest of

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it will come. The opportunity is coming, As I said,

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the organization, I think that's going to be there. We

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have historically been very good at at spontaneous organization. I'm

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not worried about that. We also understand money and marketing

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in the United States very well, something the Europeans don't understand.

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But we need to demand more from leaders. We cannot

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tolerate people like Donald Trump. I'm sorry, and I'm not

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even talking about his corruption, which is bad enough, but

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the lack of articulate thinking, of discipline of leadership, that

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just cannot fly anymore.

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Speaker 1: All right, Cameron, let's end it right there. Good message

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to end it on. Tell people where they can find

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your work wherever you want to send them to.

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Speaker 2: So you can find me on YouTube on Neo Dash Masculinity,

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where you can have my name in Cameron McGregor, Men

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in the City. I'm also on substack, the Substack, it's

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called Men in the City. You can find me there.

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I write about all kinds of things, some of which

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we've discussed tonight. And I am also the co host

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of a show called The Backlash, which is about America's awakening.

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So I look forward to seeing all of you guys there.

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Speaker 1: Thanks, thank you, Cameron, Thank you.