Speaker 1: You see something's going to happen. What's going to happen?
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 2: What I have for you?
Speaker 3: How do y'all? Welcome to the Occult Rejects podcast and
Speaker 3: joining us live tonight on this beautiful Saturday evening. I
Speaker 3: am joined by the amazing magive Magis Occultist of occultists,
Speaker 3: Nick the founder of the Occult Rejects, and the wonderful
Speaker 3: partner in crime, JJ Vance not the vice president. And
Speaker 3: tonight we have an amazing topic for you, brought to
Speaker 3: us by one of the Occult Rejects himself, and so
Speaker 3: we'll get into it a little bit, but kind of
Speaker 3: wanted to ask Nick, how are you doing tonight? And
Speaker 3: JJ as well, Well, I'm.
Speaker 2: Doing great, very excited actually cover this topic. I think
Speaker 2: it's a weird one. It's a wild one, goes to
Speaker 2: some weird places. And uh, I mean you got chrainees, vegans, killings,
Speaker 2: I mean, you know what else could go wrong? Bears
Speaker 2: are yeah, so uh yeah, I look forward to to
Speaker 2: covering this. Uh. I do just want to say real
Speaker 2: quick for people in the chat, I mean, due to
Speaker 2: the simple fact that there's going to be tons of
Speaker 2: slides and a lot of reading, and unfortunately we probably
Speaker 2: won't be able to get too much of your comments.
Speaker 2: I'm very sorry about that, but it is what it is,
Speaker 2: and thank you.
Speaker 3: JJ.
Speaker 1: Howdy. JJ.
Speaker 4: Varis has to Operation GCD and as Lisa pointed out,
Speaker 4: not the vice president.
Speaker 1: I appreciate, appreciate the invite, y'all.
Speaker 4: I definitely enjoy the conversations I have here on the
Speaker 4: occult rejects.
Speaker 1: But this one in particular, this one hits kind of
Speaker 1: close to home for me.
Speaker 4: Not a lot of murders in the state of Vermont,
Speaker 4: but one of those recent murders, especially murders of law
Speaker 4: enforcement officers, and one of those murders recently was this
Speaker 4: Silicon Valley Vegan trans apocalypse cult you know who, has
Speaker 4: spawned from California to North Carolina to Vermont. And there
Speaker 4: are crimes freeze amazingly enough, faking desks, robbing.
Speaker 1: People, murdering folks.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I grew up, might spend a lot of
Speaker 4: time on my childhood every summer in Vermont and as
Speaker 4: an adult, and my you know, visiting there every summer
Speaker 4: as an adult and just a very quiet especially the
Speaker 4: north Northeast area of Vermont. It's a very very quiet
Speaker 4: not not very you know, very desolate region, I very
Speaker 4: you know, sparsely populated. So you know, murder like this,
Speaker 4: you know it really it really grabs the attention to
Speaker 4: the whole state quite honestly, you know, you know, I
Speaker 4: don't think there's many states that would focus on one
Speaker 4: murder like that, like.
Speaker 1: The state of Vermont would see, this is a pretty
Speaker 1: big event.
Speaker 3: It is. It is, and it is a multi state
Speaker 3: As Nick and I will kind of get into it
Speaker 3: and walk you all through it. It's very, very interesting.
Speaker 3: But what I was thinking we would do is we
Speaker 3: would briefly go over the highlights of the actual topic itself,
Speaker 3: kind of briefly go over what's been happening, a little
Speaker 3: bit about the characters and so forth, and then really
Speaker 3: dive into the timeline. And Nick and I kind of
Speaker 3: went back and forth, even got into huge arguments about
Speaker 3: it about how are we going to present this, how
Speaker 3: are we going to give it, how are we going
Speaker 3: to sell it?
Speaker 2: Yeahead, we had so much information, I was like, what
Speaker 2: do we do it?
Speaker 3: And I think one of the main things is that
Speaker 3: the characters themselves one all go by different names, and
Speaker 3: as you know, Nick and JJ, we're talking about you know,
Speaker 3: they are transgender, and so they started identifying as a
Speaker 3: different gender and then obviously the different names, and so
Speaker 3: then all of a sudden, you're like, are they talking
Speaker 3: about the same person. So there's that and then all
Speaker 3: the other events and so it took a while to
Speaker 3: kind of culminate it put it all together, and so
Speaker 3: that's kind of wanted to give you a thirty foot
Speaker 3: thousand view and then you know, guide to deep down
Speaker 3: into the timeline. So I'm going to go briefly over
Speaker 3: the news article that's there up on the slide, and
Speaker 3: it is basically, who are the Zizians. It's a cult
Speaker 3: like group that was under FBI investigation published by USA today.
Speaker 3: So the rest of three people in Maryland helped to
Speaker 3: shed new light on the series of connected deaths across
Speaker 3: the country that experts say are tied to a group
Speaker 3: called the Zizians. They are named after their purported leader,
Speaker 3: which is zach Jack zizz Or that's the name. He
Speaker 3: goes by, Lesoda, who's thirty four years old, and the
Speaker 3: group is connected to at least six deaths nationwide, as
Speaker 3: we were saying earlier, according to police interviews with people
Speaker 3: who knew group members, and the FBI and court records
Speaker 3: as well. So Lesoda or Ziz was assigned male at
Speaker 3: birth but uses female pronouns. Federal and state court records
Speaker 3: refer to Lesoda as a man. Experts and people who
Speaker 3: know them say that the group is led by Lysoda,
Speaker 3: who online, who has an online presence and in online
Speaker 3: postings discussed the nature of consciousness and rational decision making.
Speaker 3: Many of the group members are vegan, and they either
Speaker 3: have degrees in computer science or have studied related fields.
Speaker 3: Some members of the group are transgender or have rejected
Speaker 3: binary sexuality. I will have to insert in here and
Speaker 3: we'll see as Nick and I go through it. Some
Speaker 3: of these people were geniuses. It's not just they had
Speaker 3: a computer degree. They were definitely on that genius level
Speaker 3: the group at one time. Yeah, I was going to
Speaker 3: say spectrum, but I was like, no, that's the other way,
Speaker 3: the other way, the other way.
Speaker 1: So it's not a requirement to be transgendered than this goal.
Speaker 3: That's a great question. I don't know, and I will
Speaker 3: say that I think a majority, if not all, are
Speaker 3: all men transitioning to women.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems that way, especially on the screen right right.
Speaker 3: So the group at one time was based in San Francisco.
Speaker 3: They were living in box trucks on a landlord's property,
Speaker 3: So the members also appear to have lived in North
Speaker 3: Carolina and Vermont, and citing Lesota's online posting, they basically
Speaker 3: had the elements of a religious cult, so to speak.
Speaker 3: So among the people that are charged, or among the
Speaker 3: people that we do know that have kind of come
Speaker 3: to the surface and we've gotten to know them through
Speaker 3: articles and their online presence is the first one is
Speaker 3: Michelle Zeco. And I'm probably going to mispronounce a lot
Speaker 3: of these names, and I apologize. An event she was
Speaker 3: arrested with a handgun alongside Lasoda and another man in
Speaker 3: Maryland on Monday. Zeko faces state charges of treuspassing, resisting,
Speaker 3: interfering with an arrest, obstruction, and carrying a handgun atf
Speaker 3: agents are also pursuing federal charges against Zaeko over allegations
Speaker 3: that she lied on purchasing paperwork for several guns bought
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty four and which were later used by
Speaker 3: two other people in Vermont during the double fatal shootout
Speaker 3: with the US or patrol agents, which is kind of
Speaker 3: how we all came to know about them because it
Speaker 3: made national names. Jaco is also a person of interest
Speaker 3: in the Pennsylvania homicides of her parents in late twenty
Speaker 3: twenty two. According to court filings. The other characters, Daniel
Speaker 3: Blank twenty six, who faces Maryland charges of trespassing, instruction,
Speaker 3: and hindering in connection with Monday's arrest, grew up in
Speaker 3: Maryland and will go deeper into it, but basically he
Speaker 3: was reported missing and then surfaces again. Lasoda also faces
Speaker 3: Maryland charges for trespassing, obstruction, possession of a handgun in
Speaker 3: a vehicle. Court records also talk about Lisoda being a
Speaker 3: person of interest in the death of Jaco's parents. Lisoda
Speaker 3: also faked his death. Many of these characters fake their death,
Speaker 3: and we Nick and I were talking about how, wow,
Speaker 3: it's really easy to fake your death. All you need
Speaker 3: is just an obitual as you died and then uh
Speaker 3: and obviously it was published in our hometown Alaska newspaper.
Speaker 3: We also have Teresa Young bluet Blood.
Speaker 1: Well did you say Alaska? What town in Alaska?
Speaker 3: Was that?
Speaker 4: There was questions people, and we'll get to that. Yeah, sorry, okay,
Speaker 4: I apologize. Yeah, that's because Alaska is a kind of
Speaker 4: a hotbed for these kind of weird activities, and you know,
Speaker 4: not so much recent years, but I can think of
Speaker 4: a couple of cases in the last twenty years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like every single person that's involved in this case,
Speaker 2: we end up specifying like specifically.
Speaker 3: I know, it seems like I'm going along, but we
Speaker 3: get into it pretty pretty deep. So then we have
Speaker 3: Teresa young Blood, accused of federal prosecutors of shooting at
Speaker 3: the border patrol agent that ended up dying, and it
Speaker 3: was her along with another person that was traveling with her, Buckholt,
Speaker 3: and the federal court violence indicated Zaco brought guns or
Speaker 3: bought the guns for young Blood and Bockhold that were
Speaker 3: being that was on their person during that exchange. Young
Speaker 3: Blood is but is currently I believe, federal custody according
Speaker 3: to the article. Then we have Max Snyder. They got
Speaker 3: a marriage license to wed young Blood in Seattle. Snyder's
Speaker 3: accused of killing some fatally sabbing some their landlord back
Speaker 3: in California, and so the list goes on and on
Speaker 3: and on. So that's pretty much kind of like thirty
Speaker 3: foot thousand view of it all. So let me go
Speaker 3: into zis really quick. Jack or zizz Lesoda. He was
Speaker 3: born Jack Amadeus and he graduated magna cum laud from
Speaker 3: University of Alaska, Fairbanks. His father, Dan is an AI
Speaker 3: researcher for the University of Alaska Fairbanks. Oh mm hmm.
Speaker 3: And if you google University of Alaska Fairbanks, the first
Speaker 3: entry that pops up, it has like a subheading and
Speaker 3: it's a link to his father. Apparently he teaches about
Speaker 3: AI and all kinds about the benefits of AI. Jack
Speaker 3: or Ziz interned at NASA and Oracle, and like many
Speaker 3: young tech entrepreneurs, they moved. He ended up moving to
Speaker 3: the Bay Area for the proximity of just being close
Speaker 3: to the tech industry. So there is all that, And
Speaker 3: then I think one of the other things that I
Speaker 3: wanted to mention is that University of Alaska in Fairbanks
Speaker 3: just recently got a huge grant to utilize AI in
Speaker 3: different fields. But the one that I wanted to kind
Speaker 3: of point out was that it was the US Army,
Speaker 3: you know, Air Force gave a grant to University of Alaska,
Speaker 3: Fairbanks to work with HARP or man Harp, so they're
Speaker 3: involved with that.
Speaker 4: Now there's a big HEART facility up there in Clear, Alaska,
Speaker 4: Clear Air Force Station just north of Fairbanks, and that
Speaker 4: alast photo he that pictsure reminded me of old Buffalo
Speaker 4: Jared Ravisa. There's a certain look to these trans apocalypse characters.
Speaker 4: I feel like they have a certain, you know, appearance
Speaker 4: with the hair and the general psychotic look in their eyes.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, we'll just go through the timeline and Nick,
Speaker 3: if you want to go ahead.
Speaker 2: In from twenty sixteen. Oh, okay, I didn't realize what
Speaker 2: you did. The other one that you read. You read
Speaker 2: the border patrol part.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that they had a shootout from when we had
Speaker 3: talked about it earlier. Uh.
Speaker 2: Jack Lesoda, who uses feminine pronouns, a computer programmer and
Speaker 2: transgender woman living in San Francisco Bay Area, starts writing
Speaker 2: a blog under the online persona Ziz, with complex and
Speaker 2: sometimes rambling theories about technology, gender identity, and human cognition.
Speaker 2: She gets involved in the rationalist movement, a community that
Speaker 2: seeks to understand human cognition and it and is concerned
Speaker 2: with the potential dangers of artificial intelligence. There she had
Speaker 2: a stint at Google. She took part in an apprenticeship
Speaker 2: by the Machine Intelligence Research Institute, so that will come
Speaker 2: up multiple times, and the Center for Applied Rationality CFAR
Speaker 2: will come up again, and became part of a rationalist
Speaker 2: movement in Berkeley. According to the San Francisco Chronicle, she
Speaker 2: arrived in the Bay Area to work in tech after
Speaker 2: graduating Magna cum latti from U A. Fairbanks. She would
Speaker 2: later become a leader of the Zizians. And uh, it's
Speaker 2: basically a small group of smart tech vegans, transgender women.
Speaker 2: They all pretty much share like the same obsession over
Speaker 2: the dangers of a I and uh they have been
Speaker 2: dubbed dubbed by Lasota's critics as a Zizzians. So that's
Speaker 2: where they got the name.
Speaker 1: Obviously, I didn't realize that was from from Old Boy.
Speaker 4: But so they're they're developing AI but also warning folks
Speaker 4: about AI.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like you know about gender as the r
Speaker 2: a I.
Speaker 1: It sounds like.
Speaker 3: That's actually funny. That's actually pretty funny.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're confusing the ship out of that as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah both right, wow, as above, so below right. Machine
Speaker 2: Intelligence Research Institute m IRII, formerly the Singularity Institute for
Speaker 2: Artificial Intelligence s A s i AI, is a nonprofit
Speaker 2: research institute focused since two thousand and five when identifying
Speaker 2: and managing potential existential risks from artificial general intelligence. M
Speaker 2: IRI's work has focused on a friendly AI approach to
Speaker 2: system design and on predicting the rate of technology development
Speaker 2: gets interesting. In two thousand, Elisa Jurkowski I'm saying that
Speaker 2: right founded the Singularity Institute for Artificial Intelligence with funding
Speaker 2: from Brian and Sabaine Atkins, with the purpose of accelerating
Speaker 2: the development of artificial intelligence intelligence. However, Yudkowski began to
Speaker 2: be concerned that AI systems developed in the future could
Speaker 2: become super intelligent, imposed risks to humanity, and in two
Speaker 2: thousand and five the Institute moved to Silicon Valley and
Speaker 2: began to focus on ways to identify and manage those risks,
Speaker 2: which were at the time largely ignored by scientists in
Speaker 2: the field. Starting in two thousand and six, the Institute
Speaker 2: organized the Singularity Summit to discuss the future of AI,
Speaker 2: including its risks, initially in cooperation with the Stanford University
Speaker 2: and with funding from Peter Teel. The San Phasis Who
Speaker 2: Chronicle described the first conference as a Bay Area coming
Speaker 2: out party, coming out for Peter two for the tech
Speaker 2: inspired philosophy called transhumanism. In twenty eleven, its offices were
Speaker 2: four apartments in downtown Berkeley. In December twenty twelve, the
Speaker 2: institute sold its name, a web domain and the Singularity
Speaker 2: Summit to Singularity University, and then the following month took
Speaker 2: the name Machine Intelligent Research Institute. Machine Intelligent Research Institute
Speaker 2: of Berkeley, non for profit buoyed by Peter Teel and
Speaker 2: Sam Bankman freed through through Alameda Research, which was his
Speaker 2: fuck Up Yeah and associated with the rationalist movement. Am
Speaker 2: Iri warns about the dangers of AI and studies of
Speaker 2: the mathematical underpinnings of intelligence behavior. Lsoda believed that humans
Speaker 2: have two minds, a left and right hemisphere, and each
Speaker 2: hemisphere can be good or evil, according to posts on
Speaker 2: her blog. Eventually Losoda came to believe that only a
Speaker 2: very few people she among them, are double good. This
Speaker 2: is like she had like double good good, bad, bad, bad,
Speaker 2: fucking insane all right. On her blog, Lesoda wrote that
Speaker 2: each hemisphere can have separate values and even genders, and
Speaker 2: they often desire to kill each other. Reaching peace between
Speaker 2: hemispheres with conflicting interests is a tricky process of repeatedly
Speaker 2: reconstructing frames of game theory and decision theory in light
Speaker 2: of realizations of them having been strategically damaged by your headmate,
Speaker 2: Lasoda wrote, it was all her him whatever. Lesta also
Speaker 2: described being targeted by police for her syth inspired garb.
Speaker 2: Sometimes cops arrassed me for wearing my religious attire as
Speaker 2: a scyth, She wrote out on a blog.
Speaker 1: One, what is a sith?
Speaker 5: I think it was the thing from Star Wars right,
Speaker 5: from Star Wars right, yeah, right, And I think she
Speaker 5: was saying something like kaw like her religion, or like
Speaker 5: whoy she believe expects that, or so like Ning was
Speaker 5: talking about.
Speaker 3: Lasoda is definitely a blogger and most of most of
Speaker 3: his stuff is published, like in terms of his thoughts
Speaker 3: on there, but Lysoda attended multiple programs that were organized
Speaker 3: by rationalists' groups, and then after a while he ends
Speaker 3: up splitting off from them because they don't want to
Speaker 3: accept his theory on the two hemispheres of the brain
Speaker 3: and that they can hold separate values and genders. And
Speaker 3: I believe also they don't really are readily accepting him
Speaker 3: as vegan, even though I do know I believe a
Speaker 3: lot of you know, like that type of science. Sam,
Speaker 3: you do see a lot of vegetarian vegan belief systems.
Speaker 3: But anyway, and I believe that he even has a
Speaker 3: blog called the Rationalists, and I put that up there
Speaker 3: as one of the blog posts. So in November twenty nineteen,
Speaker 3: Les Soda and three others Emma Borha Warren, Gwen Danielson
Speaker 3: and Alexander Leatham are arrests did during what they called
Speaker 3: a protest against sexual misconduct within a rationalist organization I
Speaker 3: want to say, capitalist rationalist organization.
Speaker 1: So is it a Transtifa protest?
Speaker 2: Yea, one of them was in here, I.
Speaker 1: Thought so, right, So I thought, right, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you have to I mean, not even
Speaker 2: trying to sound like an anshole, but you would assume
Speaker 2: if there's at least ten of them in this group
Speaker 2: or fuck, I mean six or seven, one to two
Speaker 2: has got to be from Antifa. Let me just looking
Speaker 2: at sure.
Speaker 1: It's the trans Tifa arm of Antifa.
Speaker 2: Yes, the ones fighting proud boys down the streets.
Speaker 3: They're nevers applied that way, all encompassing everyone's MUA. So,
Speaker 3: over time, Les Soda attends all of these types of
Speaker 3: places or centers and the relationships sour, especially with Center
Speaker 3: of Applied Rationality, which is where they protest. So on
Speaker 3: November fifteen, twenty nineteen, at the Center for a Rationality
Speaker 3: they were holding in an event in Tnoma County in California, Lesoda,
Speaker 3: then twenty eight years old, and three others showed up
Speaker 3: wearing robes and guy Fox masks popularized by the dystopian
Speaker 3: film Beaver Vendetta and later adopted by the leftist hacker
Speaker 3: group Anonymous, and proceeded to block off the entrance to
Speaker 3: the grounds. Authorities said police were called, and the four
Speaker 3: were ultimately charged with felony, criminal conspiracy, and five misdemeanors,
Speaker 3: including false imprisonment. I believe they even called swat at.
Speaker 3: Some reports were saying that they had called swat. I
Speaker 3: don't know. As the criminal case was still playing out,
Speaker 3: they hired a lawyer named Jerry Friedman. They sought him
Speaker 3: out because he was a vegan and attorney. Jerry Friedman
Speaker 3: helped them file a federal lawsuit against the retreat facility
Speaker 3: and Sonoma County deputies. They alleged that they were falsely
Speaker 3: arrested while protesting, and alleged to Lesoda was stripped naked
Speaker 3: while in city mocked because he was transgender. So then
Speaker 3: that is dubbed as the Sonoma County incident that happened
Speaker 3: on November fifteenth, and they were reported to have been
Speaker 3: speaking incoherently and non cooperative. Several deputies had found flyers
Speaker 3: in the area that suggested to them that the four
Speaker 3: people were protesting AI and CFAR and later determined to
Speaker 3: have been members of the Zizian cult.
Speaker 2: Awesome. I know a little bit about Amir or Emma
Speaker 2: Borinian aka. This is another name I've seen the news use,
Speaker 2: Somny or Somni Lorgentsia. I've seen that mentioned as well.
Speaker 2: Bohanian was born in South Carolina in nineteen ninety one
Speaker 2: and grew up in North Carolina. She was diagnosed with
Speaker 2: Asperger's in her youth in transitioned to female at the
Speaker 2: age of twenty one. Bohanian exhibited brilliant intel diligence as
Speaker 2: a child and started computer programming in sixth grade. As
Speaker 2: a teenager, Boorhanian would scour Google's code and identify mistakes
Speaker 2: for which the company would send her money the car
Speaker 2: The person close to Emma remembered that someone who was
Speaker 2: close to her remember that that's what she did, supposedly,
Speaker 2: would fixed code and they'd pay her. Around twenty thirteen,
Speaker 2: she moved to the Bay Area to work officially for Google,
Speaker 2: first as an apprentice and then as a programmer, winning
Speaker 2: awards for her work also Supposedly during this period, Borhanian
Speaker 2: lived in various places around the Bay Area, including Mountain View, Albany,
Speaker 2: and Berkeley. Boorhanian leader became disillusioned with Google, telling her
Speaker 2: family the company was corrupt. She grew concerned about the
Speaker 2: threat of AI and started spending time with the Rationalist
Speaker 2: community in Berkeley, as well as people associated with MRII,
Speaker 2: an organization to which she don't twelve thousand dollars too,
Speaker 2: and you will see her name on that site alongside
Speaker 2: much larger donors like Peter Thiel saying Banguen freed again.
Speaker 2: You will even see on that site that they even
Speaker 2: say how much they donated. Through the Rationalist community, where
Speaker 2: Hanian met the other Zizians, including Zizz Danielson and Alex Leatham,
Speaker 2: but the foursome soon turned on the Rationalist movement, accusing
Speaker 2: it of anti trans beliefsikes. Yeah, something that I did
Speaker 2: you know I mentioned before a little bit according to
Speaker 2: Andy No, on his posts, I found the Twitter ex
Speaker 2: account of deceased Ziz trans terror cult member Emir Dan
Speaker 2: Amma Borhanian. He was deep in Antifa and he was
Speaker 2: an anarchist through ideology. So yeah, like he even posted
Speaker 2: to mention that something was you know, he was in Antifa.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm gonna be honest with you, looking at
Speaker 4: these fellas, that's all this this comment in the chat
Speaker 4: and this prot in particularly Antifa fella.
Speaker 1: I'm obviously you know, as a law as a.
Speaker 4: Retired law enforcement officer, if I was putting myself in
Speaker 4: the shoes of these law enforcement officers, you know, over
Speaker 4: this incident and they said they chastise these young gents,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna laugh at the situation.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna be honest with you.
Speaker 4: You know, this kind of here, it's so weird that
Speaker 4: they're clearly intelligent, got swept up in the trans outeology. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean they are, but like they got trains out here.
Speaker 4: I mean, this whole crewic. I don't know what's going
Speaker 4: on in their lives, but it is strange that somebody's
Speaker 4: less intelligence is going to be doing some they have
Speaker 4: some rationalist movement, none of this sense seems.
Speaker 1: Rational to me. Wow, yeah, very very irrational.
Speaker 2: Right for Handian posted about the importance of killing Nazis
Speaker 2: and argued repeatedly that killing is essential to justice in
Speaker 2: vengeance against evil. Brahnian worked as a software engineer at
Speaker 2: Google and lived on the zizz Valao commune up until
Speaker 2: his death. He also grew up in Hillsboro, North Carolina,
Speaker 2: and his family this is ballsy and this these are
Speaker 2: the things that start making me question certain stuff with
Speaker 2: true crime, because there's always someone grabbing money in the
Speaker 2: weird ones. His family fundraised twenty thousand dollars on go
Speaker 2: fund of me without disclosing what he did that caused
Speaker 2: him to die. Like, Yo, they literally raised the money
Speaker 2: for his death, twenty thousand for what this guy did, Yo.
Speaker 6: That is balls It was the work of fiction.
Speaker 2: What someone got paid man? All right?
Speaker 1: Uh so some of them might have just been for
Speaker 1: funeral costs there, I know, but it's just.
Speaker 3: Like what funeral costs.
Speaker 1: I never found a body, No, they never, but they
Speaker 1: never had a funeral for the guy.
Speaker 3: Well, like a celebration of memorial. I guess I don't know.
Speaker 3: I've been there, but I know.
Speaker 4: I just know the inflations hit that industry pretty hard
Speaker 4: as well. Yeah, that's it ain't cheap.
Speaker 1: I agree with you.
Speaker 2: How the cases always have gofundmes that always seemed like
Speaker 2: some shait and weird ship.
Speaker 4: No, yeah, I agree there. I was gonna ask the
Speaker 4: next question they never found the body? Is this guy
Speaker 4: dead because these this cult's and then for faking deaths?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: Just there's more.
Speaker 4: Maybe maybe he needed twenty K and some get me
Speaker 4: around money, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, uh, let me go there. Gwyn Danielson is
Speaker 2: considered now a form of Zizzy and cult member, and
Speaker 2: while it was widely believed that they died by suicide,
Speaker 2: he's actually alive and then hiding from the other members
Speaker 2: of the group. Gwen Daniels was thought to have dieting
Speaker 2: twenty two even by a lawyer representing her in An activities,
Speaker 2: but has instead been lying low at an undisclosed location.
Speaker 2: Danielson Danielson, who liked many Zizians, is transgender and legally
Speaker 2: became a woman in twenty seventeen, according to court papers,
Speaker 2: and she still fears for her life. According to her father,
Speaker 2: Brett Danielson, she checks in regularly and I heard from
Speaker 2: her very recently, but she's not ready to come out
Speaker 2: of hiding just yet. Her father told the Post. I'm
Speaker 2: hoping that this allows Gwen to come out of hiding,
Speaker 2: put things behind her, and move on. He added. Brett
Speaker 2: said his understanding of why the Zizians mostly happened to
Speaker 2: be transgender or non binary is that, as part of
Speaker 2: their rationalism interests, they believe taking estrogen's estrogen led to
Speaker 2: clearer thinking. I find that weird.
Speaker 3: Looked really quickly. I looked it up early, quickly, and
Speaker 3: that's what the Google says. Then it increases cognition.
Speaker 1: Oh that's that's a fact that that that does do that.
Speaker 2: Huh yeah, so like that, I actually find that weird.
Speaker 2: What does the fathers even know that?
Speaker 1: Mhm?
Speaker 3: So does that mean I should only take tests when
Speaker 3: my estrogen is high? Am I cheating?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Quinn spoke a lot about the difference.
Speaker 4: Some research on that I've seen. I've seen women driving.
Speaker 4: They're not very rational.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: Well, maybe when you have too much it's such to
Speaker 2: like swing that like swing the other way to like irrational.
Speaker 4: No, I don't know about these here ladies on the screen.
Speaker 4: Maybe they don't fall in that category.
Speaker 2: But you know what I mean, all right, couldn't couldn't
Speaker 2: spoke a lot about the difference in the way of
Speaker 2: mental acuity with estrogen versus testosterone, he told the Post.
Speaker 2: Alexand Elitham opened Valeo documents report the Lethum also lived
Speaker 2: on the Valeo property with Lesta and Bohemian. Is alleged
Speaker 2: that Alexander who it was Alexander who impaled Curtis with
Speaker 2: the samurai sword. Lynn then fired shots to his attackers,
Speaker 2: wounding Leatham charged with attempted murder and murder of Curtis Lynde.
Speaker 2: Their Valeo landlord. Lind had survived the first attack and
Speaker 2: was key witness in the trial against Letham and Dow.
Speaker 2: According to additional court documents, Letham and Dow is also
Speaker 2: being charged with the murder of their friend Bohemian. Trial
Speaker 2: is set for the Lethum and Dow on April second
Speaker 2: in Solano County.
Speaker 4: That's wild, So they killed a witness to a previous murder.
Speaker 2: Well, they tried to kill the landlord that they were
Speaker 2: staying at, and the landlord ended up I think like
Speaker 2: shooting one of them, hurt one of them, and then
Speaker 2: he had to go to court and then they knocked
Speaker 2: him off.
Speaker 1: That's wild.
Speaker 4: Some grass vegans, dude, I wouldn't you know, normally you
Speaker 4: don't really concern about messing with some vegans generally speaking,
Speaker 4: there low on vitamin B and whatnot.
Speaker 1: But clearly this group has got some energy.
Speaker 3: Who also doesn't have an obituary.
Speaker 1: Oh really? It seems to be a lot of fake
Speaker 1: desks surrounding these this group, you.
Speaker 2: Know, and you know, it's another interesting and just keep
Speaker 2: it real, you know, it's another confusing thing some of
Speaker 2: the photos, because are you looking more like a guy?
Speaker 2: Are you looking more like a girl? Which name are
Speaker 2: you using?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: You know how easy it is for you to just
Speaker 2: keep fucking flip flopping around right and moving around through.
Speaker 4: Shore talking like some like glamour shots type of deal
Speaker 4: with these.
Speaker 1: With these patients.
Speaker 2: No, No, it's just the thing is is it's just like,
Speaker 2: you know, you're going back and forth between kind of
Speaker 2: looking like feminine, kind of looking not. There's one that
Speaker 2: might be and I don't know if we included the picture,
Speaker 2: it makes sure she doesn't even look white anymore. I
Speaker 2: don't even know if that's the same woman.
Speaker 4: That's what I was going to ask you, are these
Speaker 4: even the same characters in the photographs? Could they be
Speaker 4: different people? People being pictured? You know, it's claiming to
Speaker 4: be these parties because it is a good way to
Speaker 4: kind of disguise multiple parties as the same character because yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean, these trans people, I mean they're like, you know,
Speaker 4: they do change their appearances quite frequently, it seems.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Yeah, that's why I was getting at it
Speaker 2: gets like a little confusing.
Speaker 6: Sure, Sorry, was trying to pass by.
Speaker 3: Okay. So c f a r IS stands for the
Speaker 3: Center for Applied Rationality, the thing that they struggle with
Speaker 3: apparently non It's a nonprofit organization in Berkeley, California, and
Speaker 3: it hosts workshops on rationality and cognitive bias. It was
Speaker 3: founded in twenty twelve by Julia Gileff and Anna Salomon
Speaker 3: and Michael Smith and Andrew Critch. The goal was to
Speaker 3: improve participants nationality using I'm sorry rationality why I say nationality?
Speaker 3: Rationality using a set of techniques from math and decision
Speaker 3: theory for forming your beliefs about the world inaccurate as
Speaker 3: accurately as possible. Another goal was the workshops were to
Speaker 3: are done to help reduce neuroticism, neuroticism and increase perceived
Speaker 3: efficacy part of the rationality movement surrounding Elizier Yodogovsky. I
Speaker 3: totally budgeted that one websites less wrong was that this
Speaker 3: is where c FAR originated, and the advisors included Paul
Speaker 3: Slovic and Keith Stanovic. The group the group here at
Speaker 3: Center for Applied Rationality teaches classes for Facebook and the
Speaker 3: Teal Fellowship. Yeah. So one of the co founders we
Speaker 3: found gave quite a bit of I don't know interview
Speaker 3: info was Anna Salomon, and she was a co founder
Speaker 3: of CFAR. She was the one that organized the events
Speaker 3: that were attended by Lysoda and associates who are now
Speaker 3: suspects in the actual protest. They were suspect they are
Speaker 3: now obviously the suspects of death victims in California, Pennsylvania,
Speaker 3: and Vermont, which we've talked about. She said of Lysoda
Speaker 3: that there are a lot of young people who would
Speaker 3: have had an okay life except they bumped into the
Speaker 3: network surrounding Lesoda. Lysoda didn't come off as a threat
Speaker 3: when staff first met her at CFAR in twenty fourteen,
Speaker 3: so she had been attending since twenty fourteen, so it's
Speaker 3: been a minute, right, And then in twenty eight they
Speaker 3: had a month long retreat. Lsoda begins espousing her belief
Speaker 3: system with an intensity that unnerved staffers, and Anna Solomon
Speaker 3: basically stated that she was viscerally afraid of Lasoda. She
Speaker 3: went on to say that if you're young and naive
Speaker 3: and someone convinces you that you are really two people,
Speaker 3: one is good and one is sinister, the world depends
Speaker 3: on you doing good stuff. It's a powerful setup for manipulation.
Speaker 3: That's what she kind of offered up with that. So
Speaker 3: with c FAR, they began organizing their gatherings in Berkeley, California,
Speaker 3: which we all know Berkeley, California is kind of like
Speaker 3: a hotbed of different stuff, nefarious whatever we talked about
Speaker 3: in the past. And they began doing this in twenty twelve,
Speaker 3: and the c FAR is currently still based there and
Speaker 3: they usually have about one hundred people in attendance, and
Speaker 3: the founders were basically seeking to build a community of
Speaker 3: so called rationalists, people committed to using mathematical and logical
Speaker 3: principles to improve the world. Solomon also offered that we
Speaker 3: saw AI as something that was really readily important that
Speaker 3: we needed to be really really right or it would
Speaker 3: be really really bad. We didn't know this at the time,
Speaker 3: but in hindsight, we were creating conditions for a cult.
Speaker 3: I don't know if she's talking about CFAR, but it
Speaker 3: sounds like she is. She admits to it. She basically
Speaker 3: went on to say that brought together a large group
Speaker 3: of people of young people who were open to big
Speaker 3: ideas about saving humanity, but some of them were especially
Speaker 3: vulnerable to someone who might try to manipulate them. It
Speaker 3: almost sounds like if you were going to insert an
Speaker 3: op this would be a perfect bed to do it.
Speaker 3: One of the things that I wanted to kind of
Speaker 3: mention as a side tangent, is that some of the
Speaker 3: group that we are looking at and we're talking about,
Speaker 3: there's there's a German one, but most of them have
Speaker 3: Eastern European backings descent of sorts. And what I found
Speaker 3: really interesting is that one of the big funders of
Speaker 3: cf AR is Yan Talent, and he doing a little
Speaker 3: bit of background on him, it kind of led me
Speaker 3: down this rabbit hole. So that's kind of where I'm
Speaker 3: going to go with this on this part. So in
Speaker 3: c f AR, there's they select Estonian students and sent
Speaker 3: to c f R under a scholarship provided by Yon
Speaker 3: Talent and he's the founder of s Guy. So out
Speaker 3: of so there's something unique about Estonian students and that
Speaker 3: out of sixty four countries, Estonian students all rank or
Speaker 3: they predominantly rank first in all of Europe and fifth globally.
Speaker 3: Sotonia is considered to have one of the world class
Speaker 3: learning systems and educational systems and their highest scoring in Europe,
Speaker 3: like within the top three to five in the world,
Speaker 3: and they're usually fifteen years old of you know the
Speaker 3: people that they're testing. One of the biggest challenges in
Speaker 3: Estonia is the lack of qualified teachers to continue to
Speaker 3: educating and motivating simulating the educational system for these kids.
Speaker 3: But what I found really interesting in the reason in
Speaker 3: bringing up is that there is a genetic data project
Speaker 3: called the Estonian Genome Center of University of Tarta Tartu.
Speaker 3: It started in twenty eighteen and the center ran like
Speaker 3: a government backed project to collect DNA and they collected
Speaker 3: genetic data from one hundred and fifty thousand Estonian students.
Speaker 3: The data linked to national health system and remember we're
Speaker 3: talking about AI being in the health system, you know,
Speaker 3: kind of like having all this data kind of crunching
Speaker 3: and forming algorithms, and it basically is to help with
Speaker 3: conducting a wider medical research. So Jian Tallon himself is
Speaker 3: Estonian and he contributed largely to these scholarships. So when
Speaker 3: he funds, he funds these Estonian students to come to
Speaker 3: c FAR. So that's a big money make for them.
Speaker 3: That's a big contribution for them from this guy. And
Speaker 3: obviously he's a computer geek, an investor and what have you.
Speaker 3: He also developed a side firm's gype was fast Track
Speaker 3: Kazah MetaMed Meta Meed and Existential Risk, and he's a
Speaker 3: prominent figure in the field of AI, leading investor and
Speaker 3: all that other stuff for AI safety. He's kind of
Speaker 3: up there with deep Mind, if y'all have heard about
Speaker 3: deep Mind, and he is like a Series A investor.
Speaker 3: And usually these people are like your Elon Musk and
Speaker 3: your Peter Seal. They get first dips. What do you want,
Speaker 3: how much of it do you want? And what kind
Speaker 3: of stocks do you want. DeepMind is basically the AI
Speaker 3: that is in Britain, and it's basically a subsidiary of
Speaker 3: Alpha Alphabet, I'm sorry, And it was founded in the
Speaker 3: UK and it's going to merge with Google's AI and
Speaker 3: call it Google Brain. It's going to be headquartered in London.
Speaker 3: And the reason I mention all this is because Elon
Speaker 3: Teal and Yon and Yan Tellan is going to fund
Speaker 3: predominantly a majority of it because they, you know, the
Speaker 3: Series A investors. And so one of the interesting things
Speaker 3: that I saw that he also started Center for Existential Risk,
Speaker 3: which feeds into c FAAR and all that is that
Speaker 3: not only is Talent also funding all of this and
Speaker 3: funding students, but you also have investors that are basically
Speaker 3: from the Teal Fellowship, from Peter Teal, from all of
Speaker 3: the these types of scholarships that are funded by these
Speaker 3: top tier investors. When Town went to the US, he
Speaker 3: got to know the Teal Fellowship very intimately. Peter Teal
Speaker 3: was interested in existential risk reduction and basically created the
Speaker 3: program of the Teal Fellowship based on this interaction. So, yeah,
Speaker 3: just as a little sit tangrent and how it is
Speaker 3: involved with CFARE. So if you wanted to know if
Speaker 3: these kids somehow may have been.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, thank you. August twenty twenty two, the US
Speaker 2: Coast Guard response to report that Lesoda had fallen out
Speaker 2: of a boat in San Francisco Bay. Nobody has found,
Speaker 2: but abituary is published. We got a fake death, exactly,
Speaker 2: Jack Lysoda. In August of twenty twenty two, Friedman received
Speaker 2: word that Lsoda was presumed dead after falling off a
Speaker 2: boat in San Francisco Brook Bay. A brief obituary was
Speaker 2: published in Lsoda's hometown paper, The Daily News Minor and
Speaker 2: Fairbanks the following month end quote Jack amadeis Lsoda left
Speaker 2: our lives but not our hearts on August nineteenth after
Speaker 2: our boating and accident. It read loving adventure, friends and family, music, blueberries, biking,
Speaker 2: computer games and animals. You are missed.
Speaker 1: Wow, Oh that's sweet.
Speaker 2: Lsoda's lawyer emailed the attorneys for the retreat center informing
Speaker 2: them of the death. There were witnesses in the US.
Speaker 1: Attorney, he's gonna attorney. Oh that's interesting.
Speaker 3: Yep, he was in on the tank.
Speaker 1: That's interesting.
Speaker 2: There were witnesses in the US. Most god sense I
Speaker 2: verified with the Coast Guard, but nobody was found. Freeman
Speaker 2: wrote in the email, which he shared with NBC News,
Speaker 2: that is great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't realize there was an attorney.
Speaker 4: I mean, I was vaguely familiar with the faking of
Speaker 4: the death, but I didn't know it was by by
Speaker 4: alleged drowning.
Speaker 1: That's saman that's clever, the the attorney. Though.
Speaker 4: This guy seems like he's probably playing a very integral
Speaker 4: role in this, in this process and perpetrating this fraud
Speaker 4: because it adds a letter of credibility, right, and he's
Speaker 4: the one disseminating the information.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm all right.
Speaker 2: Uh. And then in November twenty two, Curtis Lynn goes
Speaker 2: to court seeking to evict Lesoda, Bohanian Letham and others
Speaker 2: who have been living in vans and box trucks on
Speaker 2: his property in Vallejo, California for non payment of rent.
Speaker 2: On November fifteenth, two days before the eviction deadline, Lynn
Speaker 2: is impaled with a sword and partially blinded in an
Speaker 2: attack during which he shoots and kills Bohemia. Concluding that Lynn,
Speaker 2: concluding that Lynn acted in self defense, officials charged Letham
Speaker 2: in Surrey Dow with murder. Well Soda is not charged,
Speaker 2: but police reporting have contact with her at the scene.
Speaker 4: It's guy's a champ and he took a took a
Speaker 4: sword into Loston nine in the mix. Is it just
Speaker 4: me or does this look like spawn movie ranch from
Speaker 4: the Manson family?
Speaker 1: You know, this living arrangement right see.
Speaker 4: I saw even in the in the media reports relating
Speaker 4: this group to the Manson family. But I mean they're
Speaker 4: living like the Manson family, right, Mmm.
Speaker 2: That is something that does Actually I have seen mentioned
Speaker 2: a few times in like news articles, like almost comparing
Speaker 2: it to like a weird, twisted version of the Manson.
Speaker 1: Family, Yeah, transgendered Manson's. Dude.
Speaker 2: Well, I think it's more like how you have this
Speaker 2: one guy who really didn't kill any of these people,
Speaker 2: but all the people around them.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was wondering, sorry for being laid
Speaker 7: everyone in disrespect.
Speaker 8: My confusion.
Speaker 7: He must have known that they were a little bit weird,
Speaker 7: you know, having them inviting them onto his property.
Speaker 8: I guess.
Speaker 7: I guess he lived on that adjacent to them as well.
Speaker 7: And from what I understand, they really were pursuing a
Speaker 7: life of economical living in the Bay Area, which is
Speaker 7: you know, stupid expensive, and you know that's why why
Speaker 7: they got the boat and so on. And this guy
Speaker 7: that suffered their attack. Excuse me, gave them free rent
Speaker 7: to during COVID during this period, and then asked them
Speaker 7: for money as as that kind of time period came
Speaker 7: to an end, instigating the attack.
Speaker 2: Oh good, that's exactly Yeah, that's good context.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Ethan.
Speaker 2: So one thing I do find weird, and I don't know,
Speaker 2: maybe I'm thinking too much about it, but I do
Speaker 2: find weird how it's just like they met the guy
Speaker 2: on the dock, kind of from like docking the boat,
Speaker 2: and this Jewie is just like, oh yeah, you guys
Speaker 2: can just stay at my place. Just how it happens.
Speaker 4: Yeah, figures, that's kind of I was getting out with
Speaker 4: the Spawn movie ranch. So the Manson girls were banging
Speaker 4: an old man spawn. That's how they were staying at
Speaker 4: the ranch. I don't know what this guy's proclivities are
Speaker 4: in life. There may be some other deeper connections there,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Lady to be on the
Speaker 4: screen before, Maybe that's that's what this dude's into.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: You meet somebody I love there, you go.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you would think you wouldn't just invite random young
Speaker 7: men from the dock to your property.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems a bit o. It seems a bit on.
Speaker 7: A lengthy period of time without maybe you know, having
Speaker 7: at least some friendly ulterior motives who.
Speaker 1: He could have just been right nature.
Speaker 8: The neighborhood folks referred to him as a really quality
Speaker 8: human being. It sounded like, so.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, by all means, it sounds like you
Speaker 4: may have been trying to help them out. But I
Speaker 4: just think there may have been, like you said, it's
Speaker 4: kind of audio invite a couple and then they're not
Speaker 4: regular looking dudes, so it's like a kind of scrapping
Speaker 4: bunch of ladies there from the docks back to his
Speaker 4: back to his ranch.
Speaker 1: It seems like there may have been something else going
Speaker 1: on there.
Speaker 3: M yeah. And just to kind of capitalize on what
Speaker 3: Nick had said previously, then Ethan, because you said it perfectly,
Speaker 3: that's pretty much it what happened. I mean, you know,
Speaker 3: he was trying to collect and it was it didn't
Speaker 3: go well at all for him as a matter of fact.
Speaker 3: And then what was the interesting part is that two
Speaker 3: of the people that were involved in the attack on
Speaker 3: the landlord were two of the people that were being
Speaker 3: charged or that were arrested with Lesoda at the protest
Speaker 3: one of them supposedly was shot and killed by Lynde,
Speaker 3: but then later it was said that it may have
Speaker 3: been Lethan and Doubt, which is another character will introduce later,
Speaker 3: that may have killed Emma. So it's kind of like this,
Speaker 3: and there is speculation that Emma may affect your death too.
Speaker 3: But if that's the case, then Lynde was in on it, right,
Speaker 3: I mean, he's a shot or I don't know, it's
Speaker 3: it seems like that way, right, mm hmm, So it was.
Speaker 3: It just seems really really odd. So by this point
Speaker 3: in time, like at this point in the timeline, two
Speaker 3: of the people that two of the four people that
Speaker 3: were involved with the protests, Lasota and were Hennion, are
Speaker 3: now believed dead, right Lesota had just faked to seth
Speaker 3: or we'll come to find out. And then Emma is
Speaker 3: now supposedly dead from being shot by Lynn. So and
Speaker 3: then you have Letham that's in jail. And then the
Speaker 3: fourth person basically stopped responding to Friedman's emails, which was
Speaker 3: Gwynn and apparently that was I think they said that
Speaker 3: she had died by suicide, and then her father confirmed
Speaker 3: that no, she didn't. She was just in hiding. What's
Speaker 3: interesting is that two days after Lynn was attacked, one
Speaker 3: of Lasoda's attorney received an email from Deputy district Deputy
Speaker 3: district attorney that Lasoda was contacted by PD over the
Speaker 3: weekend and was on the scene with Lynde alive and
Speaker 3: well so not only did he fake his death, but
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, now he's at the crime scene
Speaker 3: when they impaled this guy.
Speaker 1: That's wild.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I guess he really didn't take to you know, hiding.
Speaker 7: Well, so yeah, one one thing, I think that's an
Speaker 7: interesting and spooky consistency. And apparently when Lesta was finally caught,
Speaker 7: they have the same kind of m on this property.
Speaker 7: We can see or infer that there's uh, cargo.
Speaker 8: What is it, h cargo.
Speaker 7: Storage container excuse me, and that's what they were living in,
Speaker 7: and that the police found in one storage container was
Speaker 7: filled with quote unlike something to the extent of a
Speaker 7: lot of computer and techno technological equipment and surgical equipment
Speaker 7: in the container, which was just super super spooky and weird, right,
Speaker 7: And uh that I guess that was one of the
Speaker 7: things they were looking for in their properties were storage containers,
Speaker 7: and that just seemed like, yeah, I guess normal some
Speaker 7: people have one or the other of those things, but
Speaker 7: both of those things together it is just very weird.
Speaker 4: I like, that's what I said, were talking like high
Speaker 4: dollar like computer equipment or is this like personal stash?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 7: I'm just I could presume that it was probably relatively
Speaker 7: decent stuff because they were so technological oriented, computer oriented,
Speaker 7: but but I don't know. I only am infering this,
Speaker 7: inferring what it could be from the police support type
Speaker 7: of thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: That's interesting though, because it makes you wonder if it's
Speaker 4: just like, you know, everyone's kind of got like a
Speaker 4: couple laptops with them, you know, especially the crew like
Speaker 4: this probably, but like if it's something more substantial than that,
Speaker 4: you know, it makes you wonder who's buying that.
Speaker 3: And you know they probably had saved the art stuff,
Speaker 3: they had their computer geeks.
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, it seems like with their backgrounds, right,
Speaker 4: because you got to participate in these programs, they got
Speaker 4: to have right equipment for these things, right, the Googles,
Speaker 4: the NASA's.
Speaker 2: The yeah you know, yeah, oh real quick, I know
Speaker 2: you had mentioned Surrey dow Details are slum about Surrey
Speaker 2: daw One of two people charging in connection with the
Speaker 2: melee Lin's property. Dow twenty three was allegedly part of
Speaker 2: the group that attacked Lynn in November of twenty twenty two,
Speaker 2: resulting in the death of Bohemia. Dao was taken into
Speaker 2: custody in charge with first degree murder. According to court
Speaker 2: records reviewed by San Francisco Chronicle, Tao has allegedly been
Speaker 2: in communication with Zizz since being put in custody. Ziz
Speaker 2: reportedly encouraged Dao to escape from jail, Promptingdao to attempt
Speaker 2: to flee from her cell In twenty twenty three. Solano
Speaker 2: County court records show that Doo underwent mental health hearings,
Speaker 2: including testimony from doctors. It appears he was transferred to
Speaker 2: a state hospital to await trial. As she no longer
Speaker 2: appears in the Solano County inmate Roster. DAW's next quarter
Speaker 2: appearance is scheduled for February nineteenth. In December of twenty
Speaker 2: twenty two, Reader and Richard Zaco are shot and killed
Speaker 2: in their home in Chester Heights, Pennsylvania on New Year's Eve,
Speaker 2: and neighbor's doorbell camera captures audio and video of a
Speaker 2: car pulling up to their home, a voice shouting mom
Speaker 2: and another voice exclaiming, oh my god, Oh God God.
Speaker 2: January twenty twenty three, police questioned the Zayko's daughter, Michelle
Speaker 2: at her home in Vermont. A few weeks later, officers
Speaker 2: briefly take her into custody at a Pennsylvania hotel, but
Speaker 2: release her without charges. Lasda, staying at the same hotel,
Speaker 2: is arrested in charge with obstruction, obstructing the homicide investigation,
Speaker 2: in disorderly conduct.
Speaker 4: So, up until this point, Lesta was dead and then
Speaker 4: Shelley popped on the scene at the Pennsylvania hotel.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, he was already considered dead with Lynde.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah. And I wonder to pop up, like
Speaker 4: come up to the surface, right, Like was it was
Speaker 4: he involved in the murder? Why I stick around even right,
Speaker 4: He's doing a good job hiding.
Speaker 7: I wonder how random or chosen the murder on New
Speaker 7: Year's Eve?
Speaker 1: Was?
Speaker 8: Was that some sort was that significant in some way?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Agreed, Yeah, we had wondered about that, sure.
Speaker 3: So just to expand upon what Nick said, Basically, the
Speaker 3: bodies were found two days later, but it had happened
Speaker 3: on New Year's Eve and Rita. The mom had a
Speaker 3: gunshot to the back of her head and the dad
Speaker 3: had a bullet wound to the right hand and another
Speaker 3: to his right temple. What is it? Pasa Police said
Speaker 3: that it was believed to not be a random act
Speaker 3: of violence. And ten days later, ten days after the
Speaker 3: bodies had been discovered, the State troopers showed up at
Speaker 3: the Candlewood Suites near the Philadelphia Airport and they had
Speaker 3: a warrant to search the broom and car of Michelle's Ankle,
Speaker 3: which is a daughter. He knocked on her hotel room
Speaker 3: and took her into custody. The troopers were then looking
Speaker 3: for the handgun that was believed to be involved in
Speaker 3: the incident according to the testimony, and then they had
Speaker 3: a state trooper on the stand, I mean Matthew Gibson.
Speaker 3: He pretty much gave a lot of the testimony that
Speaker 3: a lot of the news articles are reporting, and basically
Speaker 3: he testified that they were. When they were leading Michelle
Speaker 3: out of the hotel, she called out to the hotel
Speaker 3: staff at the front desk and told them to tell
Speaker 3: Daniel Blank that's his last name, that she was being detained.
Speaker 3: So obviously the front desk had to have known who
Speaker 3: she was talking about, right, Like, you don't just reveal
Speaker 3: a random guy. I'd be like, yeah, tell him troopers.
Speaker 3: Then they knew Blank because they had previously I'm sorry,
Speaker 3: the State troopers knew Blank because they had previously interviewed
Speaker 3: him in connection with the double homicide. And then the
Speaker 3: troopers went to Blank's room, banked on the door. Blanke
Speaker 3: didn't answer, He refused to open or he answered, but
Speaker 3: he refused to open the door. Gibson testified that that
Speaker 3: prompted troopers to go return to the Eric's and get
Speaker 3: a search worn for Blank's room. And when they did
Speaker 3: come back to Blank's room with a search horn, no
Speaker 3: one responded to opening the door, and the troopers force
Speaker 3: door opened to find Blank and a second person hiding
Speaker 3: in the bathroom. So they arrested Blank, and the second
Speaker 3: person was da Don Lsoda is Lesoda was there in
Speaker 3: the hotel room. According to the transcripts, troopers issued commands
Speaker 3: and Lysoda did not do anything. He had his eyes closed,
Speaker 3: he would not speak. He was just laying almost unconscious,
Speaker 3: as if he was dead on the ground. There is
Speaker 3: an actual picture of him pretending to be dead. It's
Speaker 3: almost like they transported his body right from the water
Speaker 3: to Pennsylvania or something. I don't know why he was
Speaker 3: trying to point dead. Lysoda was ultimately charged with obstructing
Speaker 3: an investigation and disorderly conduct. I don't understand how that's
Speaker 3: disorderly if you're just lying there, but that's just me
Speaker 3: according to criminal complaint, and continue to play when a
Speaker 3: month shot was taken him.
Speaker 2: That's too silly. Sorry, Did you guys want to say
Speaker 2: anything before I go into stuff about Michelle to give
Speaker 2: people a background about that family, because that might be a.
Speaker 4: Bit I was gonna I was gonna ask you about
Speaker 4: that family because they seemed like they these parents might
Speaker 4: might be involved with something that caused it to be targeted.
Speaker 7: Huh, we'll get into it's possible. I think that's one
Speaker 7: of the that's their their parents, one of their parents, right,
Speaker 7: But I think it's possible. What I saw they were
Speaker 7: alluding to that they were trying to get the inheritance.
Speaker 7: There you go, So it could have It could have
Speaker 7: been as simple as that.
Speaker 8: But yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: There were some good comments in the chat as far
Speaker 1: as how you know we do.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's it's a pretty common knowledge that if
Speaker 4: folks wanted to be tracked and stop, these people could
Speaker 4: be tracked and stopped. In the surveillance state we kind
Speaker 4: of live we live within. It makes you wonder, you know,
Speaker 4: to what ends of these people being tracked into? What
Speaker 4: ends and they're trying to stop them during all these travels.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I believe when at least some of them were arrested,
Speaker 7: they were found with their cell phones wrapped in aluminum
Speaker 7: foil whatever.
Speaker 1: That Okay, yeah, kind of.
Speaker 7: I thought that didn't work, But yeah, I.
Speaker 8: Find it interesting.
Speaker 7: You know, he's he's kind of set himself to be this,
Speaker 7: you know, influencer of people that are maybe susceptible to that,
Speaker 7: and he you know, I guess what would be one
Speaker 7: of the first great things you do in that kind
Speaker 7: of psychic, psychotic kind of state is fake your death
Speaker 7: and come back and and or rename yourself would be
Speaker 7: a more decent way to do it. But to die
Speaker 7: and come back is just a remarkable thing, even though
Speaker 7: you faked it. But it's still just like something that
Speaker 7: could get people that are susceptible to that influence to
Speaker 7: be compelled.
Speaker 4: Well, it certainly seems kind of ritualistic, especially you're talking
Speaker 4: about murders on the year's eve, right, We're talking about
Speaker 4: the death and rebirth and of the cult leader and
Speaker 4: then the you know, he's.
Speaker 1: Out and surely there after this.
Speaker 4: But this seems like this may have been an important
Speaker 4: role in that whole process for him.
Speaker 2: Or or a way that you're kind of telling the
Speaker 2: story frame to the script. I don't know, I.
Speaker 3: Will say, el Rap, I do think that. I agree.
Speaker 3: I think somebody is letting this happen, and I think
Speaker 3: they are testing the boundaries.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's exactly what I think.
Speaker 7: I think part of this too what I don't know
Speaker 7: if it's an actual term, but I call it Peter
Speaker 7: Pan syndrome, where you kind of just think you can
Speaker 7: do whatever and fly or fly on the sea like
Speaker 7: this guy kind of did, and do whatever you want
Speaker 7: and nothing's going to happen, and you're never going to
Speaker 7: age and die.
Speaker 8: And maybe to that point, the whole.
Speaker 7: Mediation of the trends kind of thing to make it popular,
Speaker 7: let alone popularly accepted.
Speaker 8: The popularization of it in his mind might have been
Speaker 8: kind of like a.
Speaker 7: Distortion of the esoteric idea of the hermaphrodite, you know,
Speaker 7: and a perversion of the hermaphroditic kind of being, and
Speaker 7: he might have thought he was not only Peter Pan,
Speaker 7: but he was like the ultimate alchemical unit, you know,
Speaker 7: like a lot of things might have gone to his head. Uh,
Speaker 7: you know, with the whole veganism. And yet it also
Speaker 7: justifies you with slice, just justifies one with slicing people up,
Speaker 7: even though.
Speaker 8: Even though you never a mouse or whatever. So this
Speaker 8: is there's a lot of I don't I don't know,
Speaker 8: I'm making kind of some leaps there.
Speaker 1: But that but that's a good point.
Speaker 4: I'm always confused with the ideology the vegans won't eat
Speaker 4: going to kill an animal with they'll they'll murder people.
Speaker 1: I think you hit on a great point there.
Speaker 7: Well, I mean I don't think I I don't think
Speaker 7: vegans do that in general.
Speaker 8: But I'm just.
Speaker 1: Saying these vegans are produced.
Speaker 7: Right, that that that these guys are the the adam
Speaker 7: and ideology kind of leads you down the wrong path
Speaker 7: usually no matter what. But they they kind of I
Speaker 7: think there's an element of that, of the perversion of
Speaker 7: the hermaphrodite idea in alchemical and esoteric terms into this
Speaker 7: physical kind of guy who thinks that he can do
Speaker 7: whatever the heck.
Speaker 2: No, I think I'm I'm totally with you on that, Ethan.
Speaker 2: I think occultists have taken an occult idea and twisted
Speaker 2: it into the physical form for people to adopt. And
Speaker 2: here will be ending part one and we'll be continuing
Speaker 2: and finishing the discussion in part two. Hope you all
Speaker 2: enjoyed it. And yeah, that is the Occult Rejects and
Speaker 2: until the next one, everybody be well.
Speaker 1: Later