WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.200 --> 00:00:10.599 You see something's going to happen. What's going to happen? 2 00:00:12.359 --> 00:00:12.960 I think. 3 00:00:15.480 --> 00:00:18.399 What I have for you? 4 00:00:24.359 --> 00:00:28.960 How do y'all? Welcome to the Occult Rejects podcast and 5 00:00:29.199 --> 00:00:34.920 joining us live tonight on this beautiful Saturday evening. I 6 00:00:35.000 --> 00:00:40.560 am joined by the amazing magive Magis Occultist of occultists, 7 00:00:41.119 --> 00:00:45.280 Nick the founder of the Occult Rejects, and the wonderful 8 00:00:45.479 --> 00:00:50.560 partner in crime, JJ Vance not the vice president. And 9 00:00:50.719 --> 00:00:54.439 tonight we have an amazing topic for you, brought to 10 00:00:54.520 --> 00:01:00.240 us by one of the Occult Rejects himself, and so 11 00:01:00.280 --> 00:01:02.719 we'll get into it a little bit, but kind of 12 00:01:02.759 --> 00:01:06.280 wanted to ask Nick, how are you doing tonight? And 13 00:01:06.359 --> 00:01:08.840 JJ as well, Well, I'm. 14 00:01:08.640 --> 00:01:11.760 Doing great, very excited actually cover this topic. I think 15 00:01:11.799 --> 00:01:14.439 it's a weird one. It's a wild one, goes to 16 00:01:14.560 --> 00:01:20.239 some weird places. And uh, I mean you got chrainees, vegans, killings, 17 00:01:20.239 --> 00:01:22.640 I mean, you know what else could go wrong? Bears 18 00:01:22.680 --> 00:01:26.400 are yeah, so uh yeah, I look forward to to 19 00:01:26.680 --> 00:01:28.640 covering this. Uh. I do just want to say real 20 00:01:28.719 --> 00:01:31.120 quick for people in the chat, I mean, due to 21 00:01:31.159 --> 00:01:32.799 the simple fact that there's going to be tons of 22 00:01:32.799 --> 00:01:35.480 slides and a lot of reading, and unfortunately we probably 23 00:01:35.519 --> 00:01:37.480 won't be able to get too much of your comments. 24 00:01:37.959 --> 00:01:40.480 I'm very sorry about that, but it is what it is, 25 00:01:41.480 --> 00:01:42.000 and thank you. 26 00:01:43.640 --> 00:01:44.000 JJ. 27 00:01:46.400 --> 00:01:47.159 Howdy. JJ. 28 00:01:47.280 --> 00:01:50.439 Varis has to Operation GCD and as Lisa pointed out, 29 00:01:50.799 --> 00:01:51.840 not the vice president. 30 00:01:52.719 --> 00:01:54.760 I appreciate, appreciate the invite, y'all. 31 00:01:54.799 --> 00:01:58.000 I definitely enjoy the conversations I have here on the 32 00:01:58.000 --> 00:01:58.879 occult rejects. 33 00:01:59.000 --> 00:02:01.640 But this one in particular, this one hits kind of 34 00:02:01.680 --> 00:02:02.599 close to home for me. 35 00:02:03.000 --> 00:02:04.599 Not a lot of murders in the state of Vermont, 36 00:02:04.640 --> 00:02:08.039 but one of those recent murders, especially murders of law 37 00:02:08.120 --> 00:02:11.879 enforcement officers, and one of those murders recently was this 38 00:02:12.439 --> 00:02:17.520 Silicon Valley Vegan trans apocalypse cult you know who, has 39 00:02:17.719 --> 00:02:20.840 spawned from California to North Carolina to Vermont. And there 40 00:02:20.840 --> 00:02:24.680 are crimes freeze amazingly enough, faking desks, robbing. 41 00:02:24.439 --> 00:02:25.639 People, murdering folks. 42 00:02:25.800 --> 00:02:27.680 But yeah, I grew up, might spend a lot of 43 00:02:27.680 --> 00:02:30.439 time on my childhood every summer in Vermont and as 44 00:02:30.479 --> 00:02:34.039 an adult, and my you know, visiting there every summer 45 00:02:34.039 --> 00:02:37.240 as an adult and just a very quiet especially the 46 00:02:37.240 --> 00:02:40.199 north Northeast area of Vermont. It's a very very quiet 47 00:02:40.800 --> 00:02:44.080 not not very you know, very desolate region, I very 48 00:02:44.159 --> 00:02:46.879 you know, sparsely populated. So you know, murder like this, 49 00:02:47.159 --> 00:02:49.599 you know it really it really grabs the attention to 50 00:02:49.599 --> 00:02:51.960 the whole state quite honestly, you know, you know, I 51 00:02:52.000 --> 00:02:55.039 don't think there's many states that would focus on one 52 00:02:55.159 --> 00:02:55.919 murder like that, like. 53 00:02:55.879 --> 00:02:57.400 The state of Vermont would see, this is a pretty 54 00:02:57.400 --> 00:02:57.879 big event. 55 00:02:58.599 --> 00:03:01.439 It is. It is, and it is a multi state 56 00:03:02.159 --> 00:03:04.039 As Nick and I will kind of get into it 57 00:03:04.080 --> 00:03:07.280 and walk you all through it. It's very, very interesting. 58 00:03:07.759 --> 00:03:11.319 But what I was thinking we would do is we 59 00:03:11.360 --> 00:03:18.319 would briefly go over the highlights of the actual topic itself, 60 00:03:18.439 --> 00:03:21.280 kind of briefly go over what's been happening, a little 61 00:03:21.319 --> 00:03:24.759 bit about the characters and so forth, and then really 62 00:03:24.840 --> 00:03:27.360 dive into the timeline. And Nick and I kind of 63 00:03:27.360 --> 00:03:29.840 went back and forth, even got into huge arguments about 64 00:03:29.840 --> 00:03:32.360 it about how are we going to present this, how 65 00:03:32.360 --> 00:03:33.759 are we going to give it, how are we going 66 00:03:33.840 --> 00:03:35.759 to sell it? 67 00:03:36.120 --> 00:03:37.759 Yeahead, we had so much information, I was like, what 68 00:03:37.800 --> 00:03:38.280 do we do it? 69 00:03:39.120 --> 00:03:40.800 And I think one of the main things is that 70 00:03:40.840 --> 00:03:45.599 the characters themselves one all go by different names, and 71 00:03:45.719 --> 00:03:48.560 as you know, Nick and JJ, we're talking about you know, 72 00:03:48.599 --> 00:03:52.000 they are transgender, and so they started identifying as a 73 00:03:52.039 --> 00:03:54.680 different gender and then obviously the different names, and so 74 00:03:54.719 --> 00:03:56.240 then all of a sudden, you're like, are they talking 75 00:03:56.240 --> 00:03:58.840 about the same person. So there's that and then all 76 00:03:58.879 --> 00:04:01.240 the other events and so it took a while to 77 00:04:01.319 --> 00:04:03.800 kind of culminate it put it all together, and so 78 00:04:03.800 --> 00:04:05.680 that's kind of wanted to give you a thirty foot 79 00:04:05.719 --> 00:04:09.520 thousand view and then you know, guide to deep down 80 00:04:09.560 --> 00:04:12.759 into the timeline. So I'm going to go briefly over 81 00:04:12.879 --> 00:04:16.199 the news article that's there up on the slide, and 82 00:04:16.639 --> 00:04:20.240 it is basically, who are the Zizians. It's a cult 83 00:04:20.319 --> 00:04:26.680 like group that was under FBI investigation published by USA today. 84 00:04:27.160 --> 00:04:30.199 So the rest of three people in Maryland helped to 85 00:04:30.279 --> 00:04:33.360 shed new light on the series of connected deaths across 86 00:04:33.399 --> 00:04:36.560 the country that experts say are tied to a group 87 00:04:36.639 --> 00:04:40.959 called the Zizians. They are named after their purported leader, 88 00:04:41.279 --> 00:04:44.319 which is zach Jack zizz Or that's the name. He 89 00:04:44.399 --> 00:04:47.839 goes by, Lesoda, who's thirty four years old, and the 90 00:04:47.839 --> 00:04:51.639 group is connected to at least six deaths nationwide, as 91 00:04:51.639 --> 00:04:54.879 we were saying earlier, according to police interviews with people 92 00:04:54.959 --> 00:04:59.360 who knew group members, and the FBI and court records 93 00:04:59.399 --> 00:05:04.120 as well. So Lesoda or Ziz was assigned male at 94 00:05:04.160 --> 00:05:08.639 birth but uses female pronouns. Federal and state court records 95 00:05:08.639 --> 00:05:13.399 refer to Lesoda as a man. Experts and people who 96 00:05:13.439 --> 00:05:15.800 know them say that the group is led by Lysoda, 97 00:05:16.240 --> 00:05:19.519 who online, who has an online presence and in online 98 00:05:19.560 --> 00:05:23.920 postings discussed the nature of consciousness and rational decision making. 99 00:05:24.360 --> 00:05:27.000 Many of the group members are vegan, and they either 100 00:05:27.040 --> 00:05:31.000 have degrees in computer science or have studied related fields. 101 00:05:31.079 --> 00:05:34.600 Some members of the group are transgender or have rejected 102 00:05:34.600 --> 00:05:37.120 binary sexuality. I will have to insert in here and 103 00:05:37.199 --> 00:05:40.879 we'll see as Nick and I go through it. Some 104 00:05:40.920 --> 00:05:43.600 of these people were geniuses. It's not just they had 105 00:05:43.639 --> 00:05:50.639 a computer degree. They were definitely on that genius level 106 00:05:51.399 --> 00:05:54.199 the group at one time. Yeah, I was going to 107 00:05:54.240 --> 00:05:55.879 say spectrum, but I was like, no, that's the other way, 108 00:05:55.879 --> 00:05:56.720 the other way, the other way. 109 00:05:57.160 --> 00:05:59.879 So it's not a requirement to be transgendered than this goal. 110 00:06:01.199 --> 00:06:05.480 That's a great question. I don't know, and I will 111 00:06:05.519 --> 00:06:11.759 say that I think a majority, if not all, are 112 00:06:11.800 --> 00:06:13.759 all men transitioning to women. 113 00:06:14.720 --> 00:06:21.120 Yeah, it seems that way, especially on the screen right right. 114 00:06:22.240 --> 00:06:24.439 So the group at one time was based in San Francisco. 115 00:06:24.879 --> 00:06:27.319 They were living in box trucks on a landlord's property, 116 00:06:27.839 --> 00:06:31.000 So the members also appear to have lived in North 117 00:06:31.000 --> 00:06:36.680 Carolina and Vermont, and citing Lesota's online posting, they basically 118 00:06:37.240 --> 00:06:41.839 had the elements of a religious cult, so to speak. 119 00:06:42.480 --> 00:06:44.399 So among the people that are charged, or among the 120 00:06:44.439 --> 00:06:46.240 people that we do know that have kind of come 121 00:06:46.319 --> 00:06:49.319 to the surface and we've gotten to know them through 122 00:06:49.600 --> 00:06:52.759 articles and their online presence is the first one is 123 00:06:52.839 --> 00:06:56.040 Michelle Zeco. And I'm probably going to mispronounce a lot 124 00:06:56.079 --> 00:06:58.959 of these names, and I apologize. An event she was 125 00:06:59.040 --> 00:07:02.519 arrested with a handgun alongside Lasoda and another man in 126 00:07:02.519 --> 00:07:06.920 Maryland on Monday. Zeko faces state charges of treuspassing, resisting, 127 00:07:06.920 --> 00:07:10.959 interfering with an arrest, obstruction, and carrying a handgun atf 128 00:07:11.040 --> 00:07:14.839 agents are also pursuing federal charges against Zaeko over allegations 129 00:07:15.000 --> 00:07:18.439 that she lied on purchasing paperwork for several guns bought 130 00:07:18.439 --> 00:07:22.519 in twenty twenty four and which were later used by 131 00:07:22.519 --> 00:07:25.600 two other people in Vermont during the double fatal shootout 132 00:07:25.759 --> 00:07:28.839 with the US or patrol agents, which is kind of 133 00:07:28.879 --> 00:07:31.399 how we all came to know about them because it 134 00:07:31.519 --> 00:07:34.399 made national names. Jaco is also a person of interest 135 00:07:34.399 --> 00:07:37.959 in the Pennsylvania homicides of her parents in late twenty 136 00:07:38.040 --> 00:07:42.120 twenty two. According to court filings. The other characters, Daniel 137 00:07:42.199 --> 00:07:46.000 Blank twenty six, who faces Maryland charges of trespassing, instruction, 138 00:07:46.199 --> 00:07:51.279 and hindering in connection with Monday's arrest, grew up in 139 00:07:51.360 --> 00:07:54.000 Maryland and will go deeper into it, but basically he 140 00:07:54.160 --> 00:07:58.439 was reported missing and then surfaces again. Lasoda also faces 141 00:07:58.519 --> 00:08:02.480 Maryland charges for trespassing, obstruction, possession of a handgun in 142 00:08:02.519 --> 00:08:06.079 a vehicle. Court records also talk about Lisoda being a 143 00:08:06.120 --> 00:08:11.160 person of interest in the death of Jaco's parents. Lisoda 144 00:08:11.240 --> 00:08:14.560 also faked his death. Many of these characters fake their death, 145 00:08:14.680 --> 00:08:17.120 and we Nick and I were talking about how, wow, 146 00:08:17.199 --> 00:08:19.360 it's really easy to fake your death. All you need 147 00:08:19.480 --> 00:08:25.199 is just an obitual as you died and then uh 148 00:08:26.800 --> 00:08:30.759 and obviously it was published in our hometown Alaska newspaper. 149 00:08:31.040 --> 00:08:33.279 We also have Teresa Young bluet Blood. 150 00:08:33.440 --> 00:08:37.600 Well did you say Alaska? What town in Alaska? 151 00:08:37.639 --> 00:08:37.759 Was that? 152 00:08:37.799 --> 00:08:42.960 There was questions people, and we'll get to that. Yeah, sorry, okay, 153 00:08:43.039 --> 00:08:45.759 I apologize. Yeah, that's because Alaska is a kind of 154 00:08:45.759 --> 00:08:49.080 a hotbed for these kind of weird activities, and you know, 155 00:08:49.480 --> 00:08:51.519 not so much recent years, but I can think of 156 00:08:51.519 --> 00:08:53.279 a couple of cases in the last twenty years. 157 00:08:53.840 --> 00:08:55.960 Yeah, like every single person that's involved in this case, 158 00:08:56.000 --> 00:08:57.799 we end up specifying like specifically. 159 00:08:59.240 --> 00:09:01.200 I know, it seems like I'm going along, but we 160 00:09:01.279 --> 00:09:04.519 get into it pretty pretty deep. So then we have 161 00:09:04.600 --> 00:09:09.679 Teresa young Blood, accused of federal prosecutors of shooting at 162 00:09:09.720 --> 00:09:14.320 the border patrol agent that ended up dying, and it 163 00:09:14.399 --> 00:09:21.799 was her along with another person that was traveling with her, Buckholt, 164 00:09:21.919 --> 00:09:25.600 and the federal court violence indicated Zaco brought guns or 165 00:09:25.639 --> 00:09:29.000 bought the guns for young Blood and Bockhold that were 166 00:09:29.120 --> 00:09:33.240 being that was on their person during that exchange. Young 167 00:09:33.240 --> 00:09:36.440 Blood is but is currently I believe, federal custody according 168 00:09:36.480 --> 00:09:41.200 to the article. Then we have Max Snyder. They got 169 00:09:41.200 --> 00:09:46.080 a marriage license to wed young Blood in Seattle. Snyder's 170 00:09:46.120 --> 00:09:50.840 accused of killing some fatally sabbing some their landlord back 171 00:09:50.879 --> 00:09:54.679 in California, and so the list goes on and on 172 00:09:54.759 --> 00:09:58.960 and on. So that's pretty much kind of like thirty 173 00:09:59.039 --> 00:10:06.679 foot thousand view of it all. So let me go 174 00:10:06.879 --> 00:10:12.000 into zis really quick. Jack or zizz Lesoda. He was 175 00:10:12.039 --> 00:10:16.919 born Jack Amadeus and he graduated magna cum laud from 176 00:10:17.200 --> 00:10:21.960 University of Alaska, Fairbanks. His father, Dan is an AI 177 00:10:22.039 --> 00:10:27.080 researcher for the University of Alaska Fairbanks. Oh mm hmm. 178 00:10:27.360 --> 00:10:31.240 And if you google University of Alaska Fairbanks, the first 179 00:10:31.840 --> 00:10:34.879 entry that pops up, it has like a subheading and 180 00:10:34.960 --> 00:10:38.639 it's a link to his father. Apparently he teaches about 181 00:10:38.679 --> 00:10:44.519 AI and all kinds about the benefits of AI. Jack 182 00:10:44.720 --> 00:10:48.919 or Ziz interned at NASA and Oracle, and like many 183 00:10:49.000 --> 00:10:52.000 young tech entrepreneurs, they moved. He ended up moving to 184 00:10:52.039 --> 00:10:55.759 the Bay Area for the proximity of just being close 185 00:10:55.799 --> 00:11:00.399 to the tech industry. So there is all that, And 186 00:11:00.440 --> 00:11:02.600 then I think one of the other things that I 187 00:11:02.639 --> 00:11:07.960 wanted to mention is that University of Alaska in Fairbanks 188 00:11:08.039 --> 00:11:11.799 just recently got a huge grant to utilize AI in 189 00:11:11.879 --> 00:11:15.279 different fields. But the one that I wanted to kind 190 00:11:15.279 --> 00:11:19.639 of point out was that it was the US Army, 191 00:11:19.879 --> 00:11:24.840 you know, Air Force gave a grant to University of Alaska, 192 00:11:25.399 --> 00:11:29.200 Fairbanks to work with HARP or man Harp, so they're 193 00:11:29.240 --> 00:11:29.960 involved with that. 194 00:11:30.039 --> 00:11:33.320 Now there's a big HEART facility up there in Clear, Alaska, 195 00:11:33.360 --> 00:11:38.600 Clear Air Force Station just north of Fairbanks, and that 196 00:11:38.679 --> 00:11:41.279 alast photo he that pictsure reminded me of old Buffalo 197 00:11:41.399 --> 00:11:44.759 Jared Ravisa. There's a certain look to these trans apocalypse characters. 198 00:11:44.799 --> 00:11:47.240 I feel like they have a certain, you know, appearance 199 00:11:47.279 --> 00:11:50.879 with the hair and the general psychotic look in their eyes. 200 00:11:54.759 --> 00:11:57.159 So, yeah, we'll just go through the timeline and Nick, 201 00:11:57.200 --> 00:11:58.480 if you want to go ahead. 202 00:11:58.159 --> 00:12:05.240 In from twenty sixteen. Oh, okay, I didn't realize what 203 00:12:05.279 --> 00:12:07.279 you did. The other one that you read. You read 204 00:12:07.480 --> 00:12:08.399 the border patrol part. 205 00:12:09.679 --> 00:12:12.440 Yeah, that they had a shootout from when we had 206 00:12:12.720 --> 00:12:14.440 talked about it earlier. Uh. 207 00:12:14.519 --> 00:12:17.840 Jack Lesoda, who uses feminine pronouns, a computer programmer and 208 00:12:17.879 --> 00:12:21.919 transgender woman living in San Francisco Bay Area, starts writing 209 00:12:21.960 --> 00:12:26.960 a blog under the online persona Ziz, with complex and 210 00:12:27.000 --> 00:12:32.679 sometimes rambling theories about technology, gender identity, and human cognition. 211 00:12:33.559 --> 00:12:36.440 She gets involved in the rationalist movement, a community that 212 00:12:36.519 --> 00:12:39.919 seeks to understand human cognition and it and is concerned 213 00:12:40.360 --> 00:12:45.120 with the potential dangers of artificial intelligence. There she had 214 00:12:45.159 --> 00:12:48.720 a stint at Google. She took part in an apprenticeship 215 00:12:48.759 --> 00:12:53.559 by the Machine Intelligence Research Institute, so that will come 216 00:12:53.639 --> 00:12:58.519 up multiple times, and the Center for Applied Rationality CFAR 217 00:12:58.960 --> 00:13:01.960 will come up again, and became part of a rationalist 218 00:13:02.080 --> 00:13:07.200 movement in Berkeley. According to the San Francisco Chronicle, she 219 00:13:07.320 --> 00:13:09.120 arrived in the Bay Area to work in tech after 220 00:13:09.159 --> 00:13:14.799 graduating Magna cum latti from U A. Fairbanks. She would 221 00:13:15.080 --> 00:13:19.320 later become a leader of the Zizians. And uh, it's 222 00:13:19.360 --> 00:13:23.360 basically a small group of smart tech vegans, transgender women. 223 00:13:24.080 --> 00:13:26.919 They all pretty much share like the same obsession over 224 00:13:27.120 --> 00:13:31.360 the dangers of a I and uh they have been 225 00:13:31.440 --> 00:13:36.759 dubbed dubbed by Lasota's critics as a Zizzians. So that's 226 00:13:36.799 --> 00:13:37.519 where they got the name. 227 00:13:37.519 --> 00:13:40.600 Obviously, I didn't realize that was from from Old Boy. 228 00:13:40.679 --> 00:13:44.200 But so they're they're developing AI but also warning folks 229 00:13:44.240 --> 00:13:44.799 about AI. 230 00:13:45.799 --> 00:13:49.000 Yeah, it's like you know about gender as the r 231 00:13:49.039 --> 00:13:49.240 a I. 232 00:13:49.360 --> 00:13:50.000 It sounds like. 233 00:13:51.639 --> 00:13:56.159 That's actually funny. That's actually pretty funny. 234 00:13:54.279 --> 00:13:58.320 Yeah, they're confusing the ship out of that as well. 235 00:13:58.399 --> 00:14:06.039 Yeah both right, wow, as above, so below right. Machine 236 00:14:06.080 --> 00:14:13.200 Intelligence Research Institute m IRII, formerly the Singularity Institute for 237 00:14:13.320 --> 00:14:18.720 Artificial Intelligence s A s i AI, is a nonprofit 238 00:14:18.840 --> 00:14:23.759 research institute focused since two thousand and five when identifying 239 00:14:23.799 --> 00:14:32.399 and managing potential existential risks from artificial general intelligence. M 240 00:14:32.480 --> 00:14:36.120 IRI's work has focused on a friendly AI approach to 241 00:14:36.240 --> 00:14:40.600 system design and on predicting the rate of technology development 242 00:14:41.879 --> 00:14:46.960 gets interesting. In two thousand, Elisa Jurkowski I'm saying that 243 00:14:47.039 --> 00:14:51.639 right founded the Singularity Institute for Artificial Intelligence with funding 244 00:14:51.679 --> 00:14:56.759 from Brian and Sabaine Atkins, with the purpose of accelerating 245 00:14:56.799 --> 00:15:02.360 the development of artificial intelligence intelligence. However, Yudkowski began to 246 00:15:02.399 --> 00:15:05.200 be concerned that AI systems developed in the future could 247 00:15:05.200 --> 00:15:09.480 become super intelligent, imposed risks to humanity, and in two 248 00:15:09.519 --> 00:15:12.000 thousand and five the Institute moved to Silicon Valley and 249 00:15:12.039 --> 00:15:15.879 began to focus on ways to identify and manage those risks, 250 00:15:16.559 --> 00:15:19.480 which were at the time largely ignored by scientists in 251 00:15:19.519 --> 00:15:24.279 the field. Starting in two thousand and six, the Institute 252 00:15:24.360 --> 00:15:27.279 organized the Singularity Summit to discuss the future of AI, 253 00:15:27.399 --> 00:15:32.279 including its risks, initially in cooperation with the Stanford University 254 00:15:33.200 --> 00:15:37.440 and with funding from Peter Teel. The San Phasis Who 255 00:15:37.480 --> 00:15:41.120 Chronicle described the first conference as a Bay Area coming 256 00:15:41.159 --> 00:15:45.200 out party, coming out for Peter two for the tech 257 00:15:45.200 --> 00:15:50.399 inspired philosophy called transhumanism. In twenty eleven, its offices were 258 00:15:50.440 --> 00:15:54.440 four apartments in downtown Berkeley. In December twenty twelve, the 259 00:15:54.440 --> 00:15:57.480 institute sold its name, a web domain and the Singularity 260 00:15:57.519 --> 00:16:01.799 Summit to Singularity University, and then the following month took 261 00:16:01.840 --> 00:16:07.840 the name Machine Intelligent Research Institute. Machine Intelligent Research Institute 262 00:16:07.840 --> 00:16:11.120 of Berkeley, non for profit buoyed by Peter Teel and 263 00:16:11.200 --> 00:16:17.120 Sam Bankman freed through through Alameda Research, which was his 264 00:16:17.240 --> 00:16:23.600 fuck Up Yeah and associated with the rationalist movement. Am 265 00:16:23.679 --> 00:16:27.120 Iri warns about the dangers of AI and studies of 266 00:16:27.159 --> 00:16:34.360 the mathematical underpinnings of intelligence behavior. Lsoda believed that humans 267 00:16:34.360 --> 00:16:37.519 have two minds, a left and right hemisphere, and each 268 00:16:37.559 --> 00:16:41.080 hemisphere can be good or evil, according to posts on 269 00:16:41.120 --> 00:16:44.480 her blog. Eventually Losoda came to believe that only a 270 00:16:44.799 --> 00:16:48.639 very few people she among them, are double good. This 271 00:16:48.759 --> 00:16:52.000 is like she had like double good good, bad, bad, bad, 272 00:16:52.320 --> 00:16:56.600 fucking insane all right. On her blog, Lesoda wrote that 273 00:16:56.679 --> 00:16:59.759 each hemisphere can have separate values and even genders, and 274 00:16:59.840 --> 00:17:04.759 they often desire to kill each other. Reaching peace between 275 00:17:04.759 --> 00:17:08.960 hemispheres with conflicting interests is a tricky process of repeatedly 276 00:17:09.000 --> 00:17:13.759 reconstructing frames of game theory and decision theory in light 277 00:17:13.839 --> 00:17:18.680 of realizations of them having been strategically damaged by your headmate, 278 00:17:19.240 --> 00:17:24.240 Lasoda wrote, it was all her him whatever. Lesta also 279 00:17:24.279 --> 00:17:28.359 described being targeted by police for her syth inspired garb. 280 00:17:29.680 --> 00:17:32.839 Sometimes cops arrassed me for wearing my religious attire as 281 00:17:32.839 --> 00:17:35.240 a scyth, She wrote out on a blog. 282 00:17:35.039 --> 00:17:37.480 One, what is a sith? 283 00:17:40.160 --> 00:17:41.799 I think it was the thing from Star Wars right, 284 00:17:42.160 --> 00:17:46.960 from Star Wars right, yeah, right, And I think she 285 00:17:47.200 --> 00:17:50.440 was saying something like kaw like her religion, or like 286 00:17:50.480 --> 00:17:54.319 whoy she believe expects that, or so like Ning was 287 00:17:54.359 --> 00:17:54.880 talking about. 288 00:17:55.039 --> 00:17:59.799 Lasoda is definitely a blogger and most of most of 289 00:17:59.839 --> 00:18:02.119 his stuff is published, like in terms of his thoughts 290 00:18:02.200 --> 00:18:07.440 on there, but Lysoda attended multiple programs that were organized 291 00:18:07.440 --> 00:18:12.559 by rationalists' groups, and then after a while he ends 292 00:18:12.599 --> 00:18:15.279 up splitting off from them because they don't want to 293 00:18:15.319 --> 00:18:17.960 accept his theory on the two hemispheres of the brain 294 00:18:18.400 --> 00:18:20.680 and that they can hold separate values and genders. And 295 00:18:20.720 --> 00:18:24.200 I believe also they don't really are readily accepting him 296 00:18:24.200 --> 00:18:27.039 as vegan, even though I do know I believe a 297 00:18:27.039 --> 00:18:30.400 lot of you know, like that type of science. Sam, 298 00:18:30.960 --> 00:18:34.319 you do see a lot of vegetarian vegan belief systems. 299 00:18:34.319 --> 00:18:37.400 But anyway, and I believe that he even has a 300 00:18:37.400 --> 00:18:40.000 blog called the Rationalists, and I put that up there 301 00:18:40.039 --> 00:18:46.960 as one of the blog posts. So in November twenty nineteen, 302 00:18:48.599 --> 00:18:56.880 Les Soda and three others Emma Borha Warren, Gwen Danielson 303 00:18:57.279 --> 00:19:02.079 and Alexander Leatham are arrests did during what they called 304 00:19:02.200 --> 00:19:08.000 a protest against sexual misconduct within a rationalist organization I 305 00:19:08.000 --> 00:19:10.640 want to say, capitalist rationalist organization. 306 00:19:12.640 --> 00:19:17.160 So is it a Transtifa protest? 307 00:19:17.319 --> 00:19:19.799 Yea, one of them was in here, I. 308 00:19:19.759 --> 00:19:21.799 Thought so, right, So I thought, right, yeah. 309 00:19:21.640 --> 00:19:23.720 Yeah, I mean you have to I mean, not even 310 00:19:23.759 --> 00:19:25.559 trying to sound like an anshole, but you would assume 311 00:19:26.119 --> 00:19:27.759 if there's at least ten of them in this group 312 00:19:27.880 --> 00:19:30.119 or fuck, I mean six or seven, one to two 313 00:19:30.160 --> 00:19:31.960 has got to be from Antifa. Let me just looking 314 00:19:32.000 --> 00:19:32.480 at sure. 315 00:19:34.680 --> 00:19:37.039 It's the trans Tifa arm of Antifa. 316 00:19:37.880 --> 00:19:40.319 Yes, the ones fighting proud boys down the streets. 317 00:19:40.759 --> 00:19:45.160 They're nevers applied that way, all encompassing everyone's MUA. So, 318 00:19:45.279 --> 00:19:48.119 over time, Les Soda attends all of these types of 319 00:19:49.240 --> 00:19:54.119 places or centers and the relationships sour, especially with Center 320 00:19:54.119 --> 00:19:57.039 of Applied Rationality, which is where they protest. So on 321 00:19:57.079 --> 00:20:00.920 November fifteen, twenty nineteen, at the Center for a Rationality 322 00:20:01.839 --> 00:20:06.400 they were holding in an event in Tnoma County in California, Lesoda, 323 00:20:06.640 --> 00:20:10.119 then twenty eight years old, and three others showed up 324 00:20:10.119 --> 00:20:14.599 wearing robes and guy Fox masks popularized by the dystopian 325 00:20:14.599 --> 00:20:18.039 film Beaver Vendetta and later adopted by the leftist hacker 326 00:20:18.079 --> 00:20:22.039 group Anonymous, and proceeded to block off the entrance to 327 00:20:22.119 --> 00:20:26.759 the grounds. Authorities said police were called, and the four 328 00:20:26.799 --> 00:20:31.279 were ultimately charged with felony, criminal conspiracy, and five misdemeanors, 329 00:20:31.319 --> 00:20:36.119 including false imprisonment. I believe they even called swat at. 330 00:20:36.160 --> 00:20:38.480 Some reports were saying that they had called swat. I 331 00:20:38.480 --> 00:20:42.240 don't know. As the criminal case was still playing out, 332 00:20:42.240 --> 00:20:45.559 they hired a lawyer named Jerry Friedman. They sought him 333 00:20:45.559 --> 00:20:48.440 out because he was a vegan and attorney. Jerry Friedman 334 00:20:48.680 --> 00:20:52.079 helped them file a federal lawsuit against the retreat facility 335 00:20:52.240 --> 00:20:56.000 and Sonoma County deputies. They alleged that they were falsely 336 00:20:56.079 --> 00:20:59.440 arrested while protesting, and alleged to Lesoda was stripped naked 337 00:20:59.519 --> 00:21:04.119 while in city mocked because he was transgender. So then 338 00:21:04.519 --> 00:21:08.799 that is dubbed as the Sonoma County incident that happened 339 00:21:08.799 --> 00:21:12.279 on November fifteenth, and they were reported to have been 340 00:21:12.359 --> 00:21:17.559 speaking incoherently and non cooperative. Several deputies had found flyers 341 00:21:17.599 --> 00:21:19.640 in the area that suggested to them that the four 342 00:21:19.680 --> 00:21:23.880 people were protesting AI and CFAR and later determined to 343 00:21:23.960 --> 00:21:25.920 have been members of the Zizian cult. 344 00:21:27.519 --> 00:21:32.039 Awesome. I know a little bit about Amir or Emma 345 00:21:32.480 --> 00:21:37.799 Borinian aka. This is another name I've seen the news use, 346 00:21:38.319 --> 00:21:43.440 Somny or Somni Lorgentsia. I've seen that mentioned as well. 347 00:21:44.519 --> 00:21:48.599 Bohanian was born in South Carolina in nineteen ninety one 348 00:21:48.799 --> 00:21:52.319 and grew up in North Carolina. She was diagnosed with 349 00:21:52.400 --> 00:21:55.640 Asperger's in her youth in transitioned to female at the 350 00:21:55.680 --> 00:22:00.559 age of twenty one. Bohanian exhibited brilliant intel diligence as 351 00:22:00.599 --> 00:22:05.359 a child and started computer programming in sixth grade. As 352 00:22:05.400 --> 00:22:09.519 a teenager, Boorhanian would scour Google's code and identify mistakes 353 00:22:09.960 --> 00:22:13.440 for which the company would send her money the car 354 00:22:13.519 --> 00:22:16.519 The person close to Emma remembered that someone who was 355 00:22:16.559 --> 00:22:18.960 close to her remember that that's what she did, supposedly, 356 00:22:19.359 --> 00:22:23.440 would fixed code and they'd pay her. Around twenty thirteen, 357 00:22:23.519 --> 00:22:26.000 she moved to the Bay Area to work officially for Google, 358 00:22:26.480 --> 00:22:29.400 first as an apprentice and then as a programmer, winning 359 00:22:29.480 --> 00:22:34.400 awards for her work also Supposedly during this period, Borhanian 360 00:22:34.480 --> 00:22:38.480 lived in various places around the Bay Area, including Mountain View, Albany, 361 00:22:38.759 --> 00:22:45.039 and Berkeley. Boorhanian leader became disillusioned with Google, telling her 362 00:22:45.039 --> 00:22:49.039 family the company was corrupt. She grew concerned about the 363 00:22:49.039 --> 00:22:51.920 threat of AI and started spending time with the Rationalist 364 00:22:52.039 --> 00:22:57.160 community in Berkeley, as well as people associated with MRII, 365 00:22:58.119 --> 00:23:02.440 an organization to which she don't twelve thousand dollars too, 366 00:23:03.240 --> 00:23:07.599 and you will see her name on that site alongside 367 00:23:07.960 --> 00:23:12.200 much larger donors like Peter Thiel saying Banguen freed again. 368 00:23:12.680 --> 00:23:14.440 You will even see on that site that they even 369 00:23:14.440 --> 00:23:18.799 say how much they donated. Through the Rationalist community, where 370 00:23:18.799 --> 00:23:23.640 Hanian met the other Zizians, including Zizz Danielson and Alex Leatham, 371 00:23:24.640 --> 00:23:28.759 but the foursome soon turned on the Rationalist movement, accusing 372 00:23:28.799 --> 00:23:35.839 it of anti trans beliefsikes. Yeah, something that I did 373 00:23:35.880 --> 00:23:38.000 you know I mentioned before a little bit according to 374 00:23:38.039 --> 00:23:43.279 Andy No, on his posts, I found the Twitter ex 375 00:23:43.319 --> 00:23:48.640 account of deceased Ziz trans terror cult member Emir Dan 376 00:23:49.759 --> 00:23:53.920 Amma Borhanian. He was deep in Antifa and he was 377 00:23:53.960 --> 00:24:00.000 an anarchist through ideology. So yeah, like he even posted 378 00:24:00.119 --> 00:24:02.880 to mention that something was you know, he was in Antifa. 379 00:24:04.160 --> 00:24:05.799 You know, I'm gonna be honest with you, looking at 380 00:24:05.839 --> 00:24:07.960 these fellas, that's all this this comment in the chat 381 00:24:08.039 --> 00:24:09.839 and this prot in particularly Antifa fella. 382 00:24:10.440 --> 00:24:12.200 I'm obviously you know, as a law as a. 383 00:24:12.200 --> 00:24:15.000 Retired law enforcement officer, if I was putting myself in 384 00:24:15.039 --> 00:24:17.680 the shoes of these law enforcement officers, you know, over 385 00:24:17.720 --> 00:24:21.119 this incident and they said they chastise these young gents, 386 00:24:21.400 --> 00:24:22.799 I'm gonna laugh at the situation. 387 00:24:22.839 --> 00:24:24.559 I'm just gonna be honest with you. 388 00:24:24.559 --> 00:24:26.279 You know, this kind of here, it's so weird that 389 00:24:26.319 --> 00:24:29.759 they're clearly intelligent, got swept up in the trans outeology. Yeah, 390 00:24:29.759 --> 00:24:31.519 I mean they are, but like they got trains out here. 391 00:24:31.559 --> 00:24:34.039 I mean, this whole crewic. I don't know what's going 392 00:24:34.039 --> 00:24:35.920 on in their lives, but it is strange that somebody's 393 00:24:36.160 --> 00:24:38.440 less intelligence is going to be doing some they have 394 00:24:38.519 --> 00:24:40.839 some rationalist movement, none of this sense seems. 395 00:24:40.640 --> 00:24:49.599 Rational to me. Wow, yeah, very very irrational. 396 00:24:49.720 --> 00:24:55.799 Right for Handian posted about the importance of killing Nazis 397 00:24:55.799 --> 00:24:59.119 and argued repeatedly that killing is essential to justice in 398 00:24:59.279 --> 00:25:03.799 vengeance against evil. Brahnian worked as a software engineer at 399 00:25:03.799 --> 00:25:08.119 Google and lived on the zizz Valao commune up until 400 00:25:08.160 --> 00:25:11.599 his death. He also grew up in Hillsboro, North Carolina, 401 00:25:12.759 --> 00:25:17.640