Speaker 1: Yes, sir, all right, welcome back everybody.
Speaker 2: I have reconvened the panel because there's a lot to
get to. Thomas, Stormy and Pete Keinones are back now.
Look I want to I'm gonna skip all the intro stuff.
You guys know who these guys are. Anyway, I just
want to stress check the check the show notes. I'm
gonna put links to all this guy's content in my
show notes every every time.
Speaker 3: They're here.
Speaker 2: And we have a new special guest today who I've
been wanting on my show for a while, so it's
great to have you here today. Jay Burden joins me
from the Jay Burton Show.
Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you so much for having me Astrol. Obviously,
you and I have been talking for a while, much
less on air than off, but I'm happy to be here,
especially among such a steamed company.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, of course. So I look forward to
the continuation of this conversation. Last episode, we got the
ball rolling and you know Trump. So Trump wins the presidency.
We declare it's a victory for the right, no matter
how you slice it. And already I'm seeing I mean,
I guess this actually started even before he won the election.
Already I'm seeing people shouting him down from the right
for his choices, for his cabinet picks, and people are
calling these guys neo cons among other things. They're calling
them Israel firster, which was really just another name for
a neo con. And I thought it might be good
for us to give an actual, measured, sober assessment from
the right, from Trump's right, of his cabinet, of the
people he's picking. What the prospects are we think for
these guys being favorable to us and our goals at
least to some extent. I guess we could juxtapose that
by saying at least not as harmful to just regular
people as a Kamala presidency would have been, which I
think should be the you know, the bare minimum. And
then also this term neocon that gets thrown around a lot,
What does that mean? And is it still a meaningful term?
Can we still use that term and call people that?
So I wanted to Thomas and Stormy. We're talking before
we went on air. So I think I want to
to go to Stormy first and then Thomas, and then
we'll really I'd like to really flesh this cabinet out
and that's not necessarily like individually, like person by person,
but just in a general sense.
Speaker 5: So we got these guys by person, I mean just
some of the conversations that Pete have had along with
long lines of the people in the Department of Justice.
Is a lot less black pilling than people realize.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh there are. There's a couple guys specifically by
name that we need to talk about specifically.
Speaker 5: But not everything just Gates.
Speaker 2: Well, he's a special case because it just cames.
Speaker 5: It's not just Matt Gates. There's some real heavy hitters.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think he stepped down though. Just today.
Speaker 3: You say that, Yeah, I saw that. Yeah he did,
which didn't surprise me at all. He's he was a
bad pick. But we'll get into that later.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, let's let's hang on one second, because Stormy
was saying something. I personally use the term neocon because
I consider it a pejorative. I use it insultingly. It's
not necessarily uh, it's not necessarily equivalent to Zionists, but
I use it in the same way. I think Stormy
doesn't like using that term. Stormy, do you mind starting
us off here.
Speaker 5: Yeah, when it comes to like Neokon's Like what Thomas
and I were talking about before we kicked off is
that it not only is it being misused, it's an
excuse word.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 5: So when Martin Armstrong or you know, the Duran or
all these other popular normy economic shows or geopolitical shows,
and even any of the domestic ones, right, like the
Dan Bong geno types, when they use neocon, they're just
scared to say jew right, Like, that's what it is,
like Martin Armstrong was the basically what happened in Ukraine.
Martin became a victim of he knows firsthand. Everybody knows
Juliana Songe. But do you know that probably the most
important guy in the history of finance in the United
States spent eleven years in solitary confinement without ever having
to go to trial. Right, the most accurate financial forecaster
in the history of tradable securities, never got a trial
and spent levitis in solitary confinement because he was a
victim of these neo kan oligarchs. As he says, right,
he's a boomer. He sees what we see, but they
are scared to say it. I know a lot of
people like this, you know, whether it be in finance
or whether it be in business and industry. Right, people
know what's up, and they're just really scared to talk
about it, especially if they're older. So neocon somehow has
become the acceptable term for these people, and I think
really we need to when it's being used in those
cases to force them to be accurate. Not only is
it not really serving anyone to call them something a
political philosophy that they don't actually have. So one thing I.
Speaker 3: Will say I.
Speaker 4: Just briefly is that, as someone who is not primarily
but largely active on YouTube, the term neocon is one
of a handful of euphemisms you can use to say
something that if you set it directly and clearly, you'd
lose your platform. And so sy I'm I am sympathetic
to your point more broadly, but in that specific case,
like if I say things like, you know, the Jews
did nine to eleven, I don't get a YouTube channel anymore.
If I say with you, so, it's it's a tool, right,
And I think you're one hundred percent right to say
there are a large number of people who who don't
see through the joke, right, They take it at face
value and the listeners don't exactly that needs to be
taken into account. But look, not every platform is as
friendly as as Twitter or apparently as you know, some
of the podcast platforms.
Speaker 5: But away to you, guys, nobody should know just by
the way, nobody should lose their platform if naming them.
If you're earning a living and you're doing good work
and you're putting the word out, I'm not telling you
that you have to name them, right, don't risk your platform.
That's not what I'm asking.
Speaker 2: More, before we go to time, kind of ask Stormy
a quick question, Thomas, and then what do you The
one reason, the one misgiving I have for what you said, Stormy,
which I overall agree with, is that the term neocon,
especially when I use it, it doesn't only refer to
Jewish people. There are Christian people who were neocons, like
John Bolton's the best example, but I was reading I
think it was in John Meerscheimer's Israel Lobby somewhere. I
think that's where it was. He was distinguishing between Jewish
neocons and Christian neocons by calling them Christian Zionists. So
do you think that we need to make that like
neo kan refers to the Jewish ones, and Christian Zionists
refers to.
Speaker 3: Jewish non Jewish.
Speaker 5: Ones Jewish ones. That doesn't whether it's they care. You know,
fifty percent of them care about a little state in
the Middle East. The other fifty percent pretend to not
care about the little state in the Middle East, but
both of them care about the nation of is. If
you these people, if you see yourself as a if
your people are the nation and there is not a
physical you know, the physical land mask does not really
even matter for you in your paradigm and how you
conceptualize yourself, the place you're in and the people around you.
Then really it's just a dialectical game that the Jewish
Zionists and anti Zionists play back and forth.
Speaker 3: Kind of cute.
Speaker 5: But when it's Christians doing it, I think they absolutely
need to own the term Christian Zionists. If you're going
to be that way, you need to hang that. You
need to hang that albatross around their neck.
Speaker 2: Okay, I like that. I'm with you, all right, Thomas,
thank you, go ahead.
Speaker 3: Well, haven't clarified terms yet. The open starred have actually
means something. It's a cold war para like intellectual paradigm. Okay,
Ner Sharma is a good resource, but he's got blind spots,
you know, like a lot of twentieth century clitical theorist state.
He came up through a certain culture that that is
really really mired in like twentieth century paradigms and mythologies
that I don't think apply anymore. And that's that's why
I think neorealism is bullshit. It's it's just kind of
like it's and in Mary Times Skates. I don't think
it's HEA's copping out. I think he actually believes that.
But this idea that like all structural variables are, what
is this positive and in power politics, that's asinine. But
you you've got to understand the neo gone paradigm because
it relates to what's happening with the War on Russia, Okay, Like,
and that's why that's where neo conservatism comes from, you know.
And it's not to understand like the entire intellectual tendency
that is what passes for a right wing in America.
You've got to understand quote and biog conservitism. But it
doesn't mean anything outside the Cold War, because every quote
conservative is a neo conservative. It's not like there's some
like faction of like America Firsters in a real sense,
or like Taftian Conservatives who are like the opposition and
they're like fighting the control policy, like Trump's trying to
parlay that sensibility or that desire people have into into
a mandate. But that doesn't mean it exists. What neog
servism was was when the Cold War kicked off again
in earnest on the heels literally the Soviet Union waging
an open war on Israel, you know, Washington's response and
all other things with the Jackson Vanic Amendment. Okay, we're
gonna punch the Soviet Union for perceived you know, abuses
of the Jewish population there. Okay. The Soviets released a movie.
Let me, I wrote it down because I never freaking
remember this. It's a yeah, secret and explicit. It literally
tookage from their air debut to you know, The Eternal Jew,
And it was based as a movie that was like
shown you know, uh throughout the Soviet Union saying like,
you know, the the design is the enemy of Sovietism,
the enemies of the Russian people and the several nationalities,
the enemies of the souls of Communitian nations. They are
are ops that first last and always okay. So all
of a sudden going on while Carter was trying to
sustain they tant okay. So basically you had this entire
cadre of very active and engaged Jews who defected from
the Democrats because they're like, you're so oft on the
Soviet Union and these people are our mortal enemies, you know,
not just of America, but they're gonna program us. You know.
There's all kinds of crazy propaganda around this. And the
team be exercise which was uh which was technically h
called the Competitive Analysis Exercise, that was commissioned by this
guy Albert Volsteter, who is the descendant of these very
wealthy cosmopolitan Jewish people from the hats rempre. He corralled
all these guys like Paul Which like David Frum, like
Douglas Fieth, like all these guys, and Rumsfeld, who was
kind of like the token goalie among them, who was
you know, then a big shout in the Ford administration.
They're the ones who who they were, the ones who
corralled the data is saying that CIA is deliberately underestimating
Soviet capabilities, particularly strategic nuclear capabilities. This is generating a
vulnerability gap. You know, we are losing the Cold War,
and in military terms, that was true, I think, but
this was parlayed into this kind of like rabid anti sovietism.
That's one aspect of neo conservatism. Okay, the other aspect
of these guys like Leo Strauss and Alan Bloom who
basically they took on this kind of like right wing style.
They were like in favor of this kind of like
aggressive militarism worldwide to promote liberalism and the kind of
rip out of people there's sort of identitarian sensibilities, and
that was arbitrarily just kind of declared to be right
wing by the media, Like how how being some like
Wilsonian on steroids who's also basically a Trotskyist who thinks
that waging war on all on all different civilizations as
a matter of national pride, that kind of disabuse them
of any sort of like ethno cultural or sectarian identity.
How that's like right wing? I don't understand, but that's
what you know. Bloom was the guy too who claimed
and is the closing American mind, Like oh what what
liberalism is, and it's you know, all this is European
stuff like Nietzsche and Heidiger, and you know, it's it's
cultural relativism, you know. So Bloom's old notion was, you know,
we and any anything relating to race or identitarian sensibilities.
It's relativism, and that's what liberals are into. So we've
got to aradicate that and impose this kind of like
top down like race blind rationalism because that's conservative, which
makes no sense whatsoever. It's transparent, and it's hostility basically
to like central European kind of cultural like this is
kind of central being a cultural mind. But that was
like arbitrarily declared to be like right wing. So if
you're talking about conservatism in America, like you're talking about
that bullshit. Okay, so it's all like neo conservatism, but again,
outside of the Cold War, it doesn't make any sense.
So yeah, I feel you, guys, and forgive me for
being long wined on this, but it's important. I don't
think it's just guys like you saying, oh, I can't
I can't say Jews. I'm gonna say niokaon. I think
they're idiots and they don't. They actually don't understand like
the the heritage or providence of those terms. They've got
no idea what it means. They think like Kamala Harris
is a Marxist, like they think that they think that
people like me are a liberal. They think that they
think that anybody who's like anybody who says things they
don't like but runs on a Republican tickets and theocon like,
they just fucking they're just fucking morons. I think.
Speaker 4: So, to what degree do you think that this confusion
stems from the last kind of big fight in the
conservative movement between the paleo conservatives and the neo conservatives.
Obviously the neo cons won out, But do you think
that has anything to do with the confusion of you know,
vaguely right of center people that I think are icky
and gross.
Speaker 3: I think part of it. I think that Batsy was
an academic fight. Like I was talking to my friend
about this who who who spends a lot of time
at Hillsdale College, like the only two Paleos. Because I
was in college in the nineties, you'd find like academic
type guys who wrote for chronicles who were into Russell
Kirk and Pat Buchanan and San Francis. But these guys
had no like clout in Washington, like they had no power,
you know, Like Buchanan was kind of like the one
like Taffy into conservative who managed to kind of like
remain in in the orbit of a couple of administrations.
But when he got merged by by Reagan's people, like
his his campaign, his campaign like didn't go anywhere. I
think it hurt Bush forty one when he carried the
New Hampshire primary in ninety six, but not put or Dull,
I mean, like in ninety six, but Dole was like
a lame duck anyway. And you know, I don't he
wasn't able to pull off what Wallace did, even though
that's what he was trying to do. So I think
in academic quarters, yeah, and I think among people who
were somewhat sophisticated in these matters in those days, like yeah,
that mattered, but the re means throw like who were
the paleos in Washington? And I guess some people be like, oh,
Jesse Helms, I don't does he Helms? And Dixie Crat
became a Republican because Johnson, you know, like I don't
I don't think the Rodinanceel Paleo's in Washington. It uh
you know, and like I uh, I mean people who
think that I'm being overly punitive ever or not characterriving
this correctly. Okay, it's like how did how is it
that after was a Bush forty one administration these people
say got their way like one hundred and ten percent
of the time, I'm doing like literally insane things like
we can't abolish NATO, we got to repurpose it to
attack Serbia for no reason because we hate the Ivans
for reasons we can't articulate. And everybody's like, yeah, cool,
like like that, if there was some paleo faction that
could not have happened, people would have been like that's ridiculous,
that doesn't make any sense. This is catastrophic. But the
you know, but this faction didn't exist in Washington. And
that's one of the reasons I'll stop because I don't
want to take up everybody's time. But that's whys why
it's misguided when people like shit on Trump, like, look,
you're not in a game if you think that there's
some like electoral way to fix things, or like if
you think there's like some there's some imaginary regime that's
potentially gonna like a point some like some like true
America first guy a secretary of state. There's some guy
who's gonna you know, who's like father Coughlin is like
your secretary the Interior or something like. That's what's hurted.
So your only interest should be in the regime dying
which it's doing. Your onlyestould be in seceeding from it,
and your only interest in electoral Beltway stuff should be
people who aren't actively harming us and our allies in
places like Gaza, Syria and Russia. That's all. That's the
only thing you should give a fuck about. Like beyond age. Man,
I'm mad at Trump because I have a Gerbil in
my ass and there's this guy he nominated doesn't like
my gerbil in my asshole. So this is bad. I mean,
I gives a fuck. Yeah, sorry that was too long.
Speaker 2: No, it's perfect. I think that's why we're able to
take a more measured perspective here, I hope, because we don't.
We we're not hanging all of our hopes on this guy.
None of us, none of us stand to be devastated
when he doesn't fucking deliver on a laundry list of
grievances that we have, because that's not that's not how
we relate to him. I also don't think.
Speaker 6: Like there's no right wing. I mean, I'm looking at
this tweet right now, and this is someone who I
don't know if they support Trump, but this is an
elected official from South Carolina and she says, and she's
the one who basically destroyed the Citadel by saying, oh,
we need women to go to the Citadel. Fuck you do.
She goes, we support gay marriage and voted for the
Respect for Marriage Act twice. However, if you think protecting
women is discrimination, you are the problem she's talking about,
like transgenders in women's bathrooms. This has nothing to do
with us. I mean, this is what we look at
people who support gay marriage and vote for Respect for
Marriage Act twice as people who are just in line
with the regime that has existed for eighty five to
ninety years. This is not right wing, and to try
to pretend that it is. I mean, if this person,
if they by mistake, do something that would help our people, okay, fine,
but that doesn't mean we're gonna jump to their you know,
we're on their side for anything other than some mistake
they may make that you know, in some way benefits
us in the long run.
Speaker 3: No, they're there one way. They're literally like crazy old
cons like talking about like ass ss Like what the
fuck is that? Like that's.
Speaker 2: When guys, you know, say Trump isn't gonna deliver a
B and C. All I want to say to them
is like, we're fucking retard for thinking that the president
of the United States of America would ever cater to
any of this shit. Like that's not that's not what
what they're there for. So to to connect the the
neokon thing to Trump's current administration, the thing is the
reason why it became a bad word and the only
reason why it's even in the mouths of people who
don't even know what a neo con is is because
of the George W. Bush presidency and their legacy uh
since then, which is like the biggest disaster of my
fucking lifetime, I think, uh, which is saying a lot
considering the COVID thing, and some of these people like
John Bolton was still around in Trump's first term. So
I think that some people, maybe on the left are
trying to smear him as a neocon. But even on
the right, they're smearing them as neo cons because they're
pro Israel. But part of the reason why it's a smear,
as they're trying to like say that his business as
usual from George W. Bush's presidency. I don't know how
true that is. I don't know how much how much
consistency there is from then to now. But like with
somebody like Mark Rubio, he seems pretty down the line
with those guys. But we're in like a whole new
paradigm really now, so we even.
Speaker 4: Well. And I think this is something I can speak
to because I'm a little bit younger than you guys,
and so you know, growing up in the George Bush era, right,
the ascendancy of this style of conservative politics, you know,
after the end of the Cold War. I cannot stress
how different the atmosphere is.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 4: Of course, those guys made shall we say, very tepid,
you know, motions to the concerns of the silent majority
of Middle America, but it was very clear that's not
what they cared about. And you know, as someone who
actually lives here right who's been in Right America, my
entire life. It's completely clear that this is a different
this is a completely different political atmosphere. And look, I
think you're right, Astral. None of us were expecting Trump
to ride in on a white horse and take us
to based world. Right, It's so stupid. I feel like
we don't even need to say it. But from the
very basic level of does this help us? Yes or no?
Like one, you could argue that even a mitt Romney
Republican would have been better than you know, the Biden
regime just for the sheer perspective of I have to
live here. But you take that another level and you're like, well,
Trump is significantly better for someone who cares about the
you know, the white native population of this country than
any other Republican certainly in my life, and I would
argue in many of yours as well. And so look,
is he perfect?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 4: Is he better?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 4: And if you can't accept that, right, you're just literally
addicted to being a loser. You're addicted to how everything
secretly is. You know, it's so over And look, I'm
not saying we need to look at this in you know,
a romantic way. We need to look at this in
a way where we're denying the facts because look, there
are negatives in Trump's cabinet. I don't think they're as
bad as Twitter will tell you, but you know, we
need to look at this in effectively, like the net
amount of power we're gaining, right, the net amount of
good being done for our people, and it's it's significant,
it's a significant improvement. And again there's this kind of
like retarded thinking of like viewing Trump is like, well,
he's not Mussolini marching on rope. You know, It's like, well,
of course, no one fucking thought he was. And it's
just an artificial straw man to make yourself look, you know,
sort of like wiser than everyone, Like, oh I knew
it wasn't gonna be that good. It's like, well, yeah, sure,
so to fucking everyone else. Yeah, it's uh, I find
it very tedious.
Speaker 2: No, that's perfectly well said, especially the net amount of gain.
Go ahead, Toms.
Speaker 3: I was just gonna say, well, it's also too. I mean,
I'm I'm a I'm a one percent vanguardist, like with
one hundred percent gas and no breaks. But I acknowledge
that because to it, said Jay Burden's point, we do
have to live here like now, if you're not at
least like tepidly right wing or pro white, you're viewed
as like a huge pussy faggot or like a nerd
or like some disengaged like old person. Like the degree
to which that is like literally a one to eighty
from like the nineties, like like people have like no
idea about this, I guess because they didn't link through it.
Like people like fucking hated you if you were like
pro white and nineties they hated you. They like wanted
you dead. Like I'm not exaggerating. They looked at you
like they look at you basically like you were worse
than like a child molester. Okay, And like now that's
basically normal to think that way, at least in some
water down sense, Like that's it's basically impressed in America
outside of the outside of the War between the States era,
there to be like such a massive and total reversal
in what is like normy opinion in like thirty years time.
It's totally fucking insane. And so anybody, I especially not
gonna take it serious when it's like some like twenty
two year old kid like saying like Trump's a paste
and shit, it's like, bro, you were sperm when I
was having to like fucking avoid like half the hoods
in proximity so I didn't get like killed by fucking
peril blasts like fuck you. You know, It's like, I
the degree to which this is a complete Overton window
shift is insane, and that can't be like negative even
if you're totally anti regime like I am. So yeah,
anybody who's anybody's driving cap about stupid things such as
the aforementioned is is like somebody who needed tune out
because they're just being There's some like there's something like
shut in fagot who's yeah, trying to be edgy or
like too cool over school.
Speaker 4: Well, and I have a very specific example of that, right. Yeah,
Obviously immigration has been a live issue for seventy years.
But the fact that you know, you can be a
member of polite society and you know you can advocate
for mass deportations is insane, right, Like that's illegal to say.
And a large number of you know, continental European countries
and you can have you know, pop stars. You know,
admittedly these aren't serious people, but you know, Lana del
Rey is a top forty artist posing with a T
shirt that says mass deportations now, and she hasn't been canceled.
And look, obviously we're, like you said, Thomas, we're one
percent movement, right, this is a vanguard. We're not looking
for celebrity endorsements. But I mean, can you imagine even
in the political climate four years ago, like this has
produced a massive sea change. So, you know, obviously we
can complain about retards on Twitter till we go blue
into the face. It's it's fun, you know, but I
think it's important to actually go through, you know, the
the Trump appointments, as we've kind of said earlier, to
actually make our case here.
Speaker 5: You know, we've laid out the broadest level of it.
Speaker 4: But Stormy, do you want to do you want to
go into some of those picks.
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, go on. I think Gates is going I
think Mike Johnson's are going to get replaced. That's what
that tells me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it looks like Pete's having technical difficulties. Pete. Let's
wait for Mett for Pete to come back on Gates
because he's got something along the lines of what you
just said to say, and it's really good.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So for me.
Speaker 2: All right, So I want to add I want to
piggyback off Jay's question, which I want to say that
the question really is do we think these guys can
push Trump around?
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 2: Do you think guys like exactly, dude, go ahead, I
don't need the.
Speaker 5: Other way around, Like totally, anybody freaking I see so
many people like, oh my god, Trump appointed Marco Rubio.
This means he's going to go to war with Iran
because the Secretary of State has unilateral powers to declare
peace and war at will and can mobilize United States
forces to arms and has like shut the fuck up,
like what do you think, Like this is an employee.
He is an employee of the president.
Speaker 2: Trump owned him. Trump already proved that he.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a cock, but it's also secretary of State.
It's like a cite cure anymore. You gotta look at
the beltways, not like it was in the Reagan era.
It's like Secretary Defense is basically defecto Secretary of State
and National Security Advisor. Secretary of State's like this dummy
synay here where like slobs like missus Clinton can get
slotted into. So it's like it's not it's nastage. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5: Also secretive is the same thing, right you're telling me,
Like the little black guy that we have that's pretending
to be our secretary of defense can disappear for four
months and nobody notices while there is we're at war
with one country and we have another, Like, how is
this person important?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 5: No, Joint chiefs of staff run ship, not not some
black guy that you used to work at raytheon.
Speaker 3: Rob Robert Gates was the Robert Gates head clout and
that's why he stuck around. So but that's that's why
his example segrey defense. But yeah, at present it's it's
another Sydney here, but it varies. It's like criminology. Go ahead, Yeah,
I'm sorry, no.
Speaker 5: Agree, I mean the people that actually conduct state craft.
I would say mister Ratcliffe is going to conduct far
more state craft than mister Rubio is ever going to.
And pretty much that's been de facto how the United
States does most of its foreign policies through its intelligence
agencies anyways, Right, D N I C I A army intelligence.
Speaker 3: I mean A D I A and N S A
are kind of the guts of it. And but and
like all these like myriad contractors that have like murky authority.
I think cis been at Joe since the Church Committee.
But I know people like people like push it back
on me with that. I'm not you.
Speaker 5: My friends have friends that are you know, got we're
part of the CIA, guys that got purged when Obama
purged all the intelligence agencies and the UH. I mean
some of them I've introduced to Pete and Jay have
been on the their shows, Like Larry Johnson has been
telling me that it's more Dilbert than James Bond and
has been since the Church.
Speaker 3: Com Well, it's also the even it was attracting quality
people and still hit a mandate, that kind of massive
bureocracy where you got guys who are obviously intelligence operatives
under light definitely to cover. That's like a Cold War
thing that doesn't work like outside the paradigm.
Speaker 5: You know, like it doesn't facial recognition exists.
Speaker 3: Yeah, when it's old. It's not like in the Cold War.
It was just like perverse paradigm. Or it's like Okay,
on the one hand, you know, we're gonna do everything
we can to like find a way to accomplish splund
it for a strike without also killing ourselves. But we're
gonna like openly admit we spy on you, Like our
embassy in Hungary is gonna be full of CIA guys
for pretending not to be. But you know they are,
like it, like bullshit, like that, like that's that doesn't
happen outside of that very narrow paradigm.
Speaker 5: And so like one pick in particular, well, first of
just the picks in general, like Marco Rubio can't declare war.
He is an employee, right, and the fixture what is
more important? Right? The only other person I thought, I
think Mitch McConnell would have been Secretary of State if
he wasn't already leaving, because they see the most important
thing happening is Marco Rubio not being in the Senate
where he has legislative power. You took a powerful person
that has previously opposed your agenda several times over and
in fact de facto ran against you, and you removed
him from a place of power. Right, If you know
Mitch McConnell is gonna be leaving, that would have been
market Marco Rubio in that inmich mcconnal's seat.
Speaker 3: And now it's not no exactly what's also to So
they're trying to emphasize the people, you know, like the
Ukraine War is done because there's not the money, there's
not the force isn't being They don't even talk about
the Ratman and key of anymore because the optics are
so bad. I mean, it's like this idea like trump'snna
attack I ran, and then then he's gonna intervene and
Yemen then he's gonna do this. It's like with what
like with who, like how is this gonna happen? You know,
like this isn't like people say the idea of that
America is like twenty feet tall. It's like unstoppable Juggernaut.
It's a it's a complete it's a complete ship show.
And even even at at peak mobilization like during like
the surge, I guess in like two thousand and seven. Yeah,
like the army like nineteen the Army was like nineteen
US Army imagery. Men, we're going down a week kia
and that was like that was like taxing the army
was breaking point. But you're telling me like America is
gonna like assault Russia and take like a million casualties. Well,
it's like attacking Iran across like an he clim or front,
while it's like intervening in the in Yemen. It's like
what it's like, do you guys work for stratt for
or do you smoke crack? Or like where? How is it?
How in what universe? Is as possible? Even I Trump
like decided he was gonna like take on that those
imperatives for some reason?
Speaker 5: Is your name Peter Zahan or Zion? Is that who
you are?
Speaker 3: Like some fag up like Max Explosion or something, and
like works like strap, like We're gonna and then here
and then I'm gonna I'm gonna get a brand new
Gerbil to shove up my ass and I'm gonna be
the king and it's gonna be great.
Speaker 5: Literal faggots, not just figuratively. But yeah, I completely agree
with Thomas.
Speaker 6: I'm plugged into my generator now, so I'm fine. Power
just keeps going on and out, off and on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, sorry about that. So look, you were talking
about this last week, we were talking about I don't
know how much of that you missed and how much
that you heard. We're talking about Marco Rubio. He's one
of the people that's being decried by the left and
the far right. But I mean, we think Trump's gonna
just walk all over this guy. And I think you
said that last week. The other guy that I put
with Rubio and like my two least favorite here are
him and Mike Huckabee. I mean, do you think him
being the.
Speaker 3: What does it mean?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 6: They were like all these people who are like, well,
you know, Huckabee loves Israel. I'm like, if you're gonna
have an ambassador to a country you want them, it
would make sense for that person's actually like that country,
what are you gonna put Let's make Victoria Newellan the
ambassador to fucking Russia.
Speaker 3: Yeah's work. It's the ultimate is the ultimate cinecure. And
also like he's like this dumb He'll believe he's gonna
like any of the leaker troll movies basically like idiot
Hubbily Like it's like saying, like, but you're like idiots
Hilberly cousin like at your house, Like that's saying the
And to.
Speaker 6: Me, the only position that really means anything with Trump's
mandate is attorney general and.
Speaker 2: Attorney Yeah, let's talk about there yet.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but attorney general doesn't mean anything unless Trump is
going to be an Article two executive because he's going
to have to I mean, right now I would say that.
I mean the next in line. He he appointed his
own lawyer, his personal lawyer, as deputy deputy Attorney general.
So if that guy slides in, I've looked I think
the stormy and I looked at his background. I mean,
he's worked for the oldest law firm. What the hell
is the name of that law firm up in Mets.
Speaker 5: We're talking about the one in here. We're talking about
a shit Soladon Cromwell.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he worked with dude in the tree training places
like could Duke Brothers Like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, wait, wait, who are you talking about? What is
his position?
Speaker 5: Solodon Cromwell is John the Rock and Fellow law firm.
Speaker 6: Uh going, people, I mean this guy is a I
mean like a hardcore heritage American, you know, seven like
lobby dude generation, and he just takes orders from Trump.
He's one of these guys who has like lived in
New York and has been registered a Democrat. And people
are like, oh, that guy's a registered Democrat. I'm like,
he lived in New York he's lived in New York
for like fucking twenty five years. Everyone in New York
is a registered Democrat. Yeah, and you know a registered
Democrat in New York in the nineteen seventies was like,
you know, would put a beat down on a black
dude who walked into their neighborhood.
Speaker 5: No, exactly, exactly, Your Sullivan Cromwell is very important.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 5: Next we should go into who's going to be uh
SDN Y out of SDN Y.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, Jake Clayton as the as ahead of SDN
Y is like, is huge because he's a guy who's
just going to be the policeman of Wall Street. He's
basically if if Powell has been working what the way
Luongo says to basically go to war with the City
of London. It's a manifest fact. Yeah, which is which
is a fact? I mean, this is why I say
pale Pale is I mean another one what eighth generation Virginian.
I mean, this is a heritage American. He's also the
first wasp, the first not a gentile to head the
FED in how long?
Speaker 3: No academic, I when I when I when I've thrown
shade on him. It's not I actually think he's doing
a precent job in the rule, especially I mean compared
to some like fucking Bernaki or something. But he he's uh,
he's definitely like when of Trump's ops and he's making
that clear and that's not that's very unprofessional and it's
really not appropriate to the role. That's what I meant.
That didn't mean like, oh, fuck this motherfucker. He's doing
a B and C and honestly like a quantitative easing bullshit,
he had nothing to do with it.
Speaker 5: But yeah, yeah, in fact, actually, let me talk a
little bit about FED policy. This is kind of my wheelhouse.
So we know, Janet Yellen is you know, someone who
Kamala Harris is not right. Her her thesis, her PhD
thesis was in labor theory of economics, which is actual
Marxism instead of pretend Marxism, which conservatives do. Her husband
is the foremost Marxist economist, as if such a ludicrous
thing could exist in the world out of out of Berkeley.
So she's a legit commy. And the fact that she
spends all of her time running around the world trying
to undo whatever Powell does. So Powell does quantitative tightening
all right. So Powell's been on quality quantitative tightening, reducing
the monetary supply. At the same time he's raising interest rates,
which is like he's reducing the monetary supply times to
very very aggressively. She has to go run to Japan. Yeah,
and she has to do yield curve control, which is
effectively undoing what Powell is doing. So her entire administration,
at her entire time at the Biden administration, has been
literally to try and stop or slow down everything that
this man is doing. So if you know, Janet Yellen
is your enemy, and she spends all of her time
trying to undo this guy's stuff. And when he's raising
interest rates, let's just think about like the people we hate,
if globalism is our op writ large. When the President
of the United Nations, Antonio Gutierrez or whatever that fagus
name is, gets in the middle of the United Nations
and says, holds a press conference and says, if we
don't get the Federal Reserve to raise interest rates, there's
going to be a global financial collapse and there's gonna
be world fan in which I think would be not bad.
Speaker 6: And then.
Speaker 4: Is doing the same thing. If we got to get this.
Speaker 5: We gotta yeah, we gotta get We got to get
Jerome Powell to stop raising interest rates. Well, if Greta
Thumber doesn't like what Powell's doing, and the UN president
doesn't like what Powell's doing, and all of the fucking
world bankers are losing their minds, and all of the
IMF people are losing their fucking minds. I mean, so
Kamala Harris and John McCain high five on the Senate
floor after they filibustered his second appointment. Right, the Federal
Fed chairman has only openly criticized presidential policy once, which
was Johnson, and I can't remember who's his Fed chief, Right,
It'll keep going on, come no Powell and the next time.
So in sixty years now, seventy years now, the only
other time has been Jerome Powell with Joe Biden. He's
actively been criticizing the Biden administration twice, and I think
got his bell rang a little bit because he suddenly stopped.
So Jerome Powell has done more to end globalism, which
is the introduction of Sofer Thomas only running through a
brief thought experiment to get to what I'm talking about,
that we can do in like two seconds, so percent
of the monetary supply, so monetary supply is created through
issuance of new debt, so that debt is issued offshore
right by offshore banks. This is a relic of the
Marshall Plan that got hijacked and run entirely out of
control and taken over by literally all the worst people.
And you know, these European private banks have basically had
a basement money printer, which is which is the ability
to issue debt in dollars. Right, so, when they issue
debt and that debt is denominated in dollars, new dollars
are printed. That used to be a very small amount.
Now it is ninety percent of the global monetary supply
of dollars is printed by offshore banks. And it's not
index to the Federal Reserve Interest Rate R like it
would be if it was in the United States. It's
index to LIBOR. So if ninety percent of your money
is printed offshore by overseas by foreign banks, and all
that money is indexed to an interest rate that's set
by lib OR, which is a council that US banks around, Yeah,
who can charge your voluntary supply right right?
Speaker 3: It was it was Martin, who was Johnson's Federal Reserve
chiefs Martin, Yes, Martin. I mean I'm just saying, like
people who the rebuttal of people would you know, like
a lot of especially a lot of working people talk
about like inflation is crushing them. And then you get
these guys, even guys who should know better, and saying like,
well that's perception and like okay, well what's causing this.
It's like, well, obviously what you just said, man, you know,
because I mean like yeah, yeah, and it's some and
it's a.
Speaker 5: Real and they fed guys are a fucking joke, Like
we finally get a guy in there that's doing the
opposite of what everyone has done for the last ninety years,
and now you want to end the fucking fed you retard.
It's like they've same thing. You got a guy that's
doing something, and now you want to like fucking throw.
Speaker 3: You know, legit. Two things. I'm I'm a Chumpeter guy
and like heterodox, I'm a hero doox economic uh thinker,
but i I'm not of Onnesian And I mean Schumpter's
point was you can't es central banking. You can make
it into like a Frankenstein if you want in your
conceptual model, but it's a reality, so it's not gonna
go away. So what are you gonna What are you
gonna do?
Speaker 5: And that money is a technology, well yeah, it's gonna
be used against you.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah. I mean it's also too there's nothing I mean,
the whole, the whole, like the whole idea, like fiat
money is not quae real. I mean that's returned too.
But beyond that, you know, there's not if there's not
if other than FD I see, man, Like it's equivalent,
like there's not gonna be confidence in financial industruy.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 3: It's like no matter how strong the uh the capital
base they're tied to may be. So like there's not
some alternative here where it's like, well, we can abolish
the FED. But people are still gonna people are still
gonna like accept bare paper, like you know, printed in
the United States, like at literal face value. Like people
say that they've got literally no understanding of like the
practice of economics.
Speaker 5: But no, I he's the same people that tell you
should tie the currency to gold and that'll stop inflation.
Speaker 3: Shiny rocks is real, but paper isn't. See shiny rocks
are magically valuable.
Speaker 4: Well that's the amazing thing, right, Inflation didn't exist before,
Richard stole point.
Speaker 5: Yeah, inflation never happened before, Like is before that all
my military uh uses word gold? So are we telling
people that inflation has never happened? Well, has happened before.
So you're telling me it once once a commodity is
used as a currency, that it's it's still actually a commodity,
which would be an inflation hedge. No, that that's not true.
When you take a commodity and use that commodity as money,
it no longer trades like a commodity an inflation hedge.
It trades like money.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's what's all the too. The Great Depression
was a deflationary spiral, and like a lot of these
guys won't even accept that, we like I supposedly on
the right door. No, no, no, it was like it
was like out of control inflation. You're an idiot. I'm like, Oh,
I don't think so, man. I've actually like I've actually
quoted this stuff and I've spent many many years with it.
I no economists, don't get me wrong, but I do
know something about macroeconomics. You know, don't don't tell me
I don't know what I'm talking about, because I don't.
Speaker 5: I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't accept that. You know, banking and infleetion caused
the Great Depression, like banking failure caused the Great Depression, absolutely,
but it's like, why did that failure happen? You know,
maybe have something to do with the absence of a
central banking mechanism to guarantee monetary supply. Yeah, yeah, you know,
but it uh but no, what my second thing, my
second kind of subject of apologia. I don't think Paul
is like a bad guy in terms of this policy
or such that the FED determine that FED has policy.
Like my point was, he's obviously's spoiling for a fight
with Trump, and he he shood some reckless statement like
you know, I'm not going to resign and the president
can't fight or be It's like, man, don't do that,
like it, you know.
Speaker 5: I mean he said independence because there's a there's a
big question of whether the FED is actually independent from
uh of the presidential administration. I think he I think
basically no, no, I feel that and he could be impeached.
But Obviously that doesn't come from the White House, but
the I, I just especially when in coming minutes strange,
and he should be doing everything he can to make
an ice of Trump, at least publicly and frankly privately too,
because to your point, you know, he and Trump would
probably be very much like Day one of Homies if
it wasn't for you know, this kind of toxic media
environment that is surrounding this entire affair.
Speaker 3: And that's all. I didn't mean to talk too much, Powell.
Speaker 5: That introduced probably the most significant thing that's ever happened
to America financially in the last one hundred years, called
the secure overnight funding rate. All right, they tried to
push it through it under Obama. Obama killed it, and
it'll probably be Trump's greatest legacy, but a few people
even know it exists. So remember how I talked about
whybor and being accept by you know, foreign banks, twenty
of them with no US bank on the board. So
FUR is Library's replacement, and unlike the Library's, the is
the the overnight funding rate, but it's an unsecured, uncollateralized
funding rate. So SOFUR is a secure overnight funding rate,
and it's basically only the five US prime banks. And
when investors have a difference between unsecure overnight funding rate
and secure overnight funding rate, yeah, it's it's not a
it's not really a choice you're going to go with
this one. And we've been basically draining the world of
capital for the last four or five or since twenty
twenty three. When it came into effect, it was pretty honny.
Speaker 3: Germany refusing the investment derivatives like TI their uh like
tier financial system to lost feet the revet its like
that was like a huge like obstacle to what to
what these people wanted to accomplish. Man.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and that and when I say, like Trump policies,
that looks and it looks more like Frederick List than Nieces.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And that's and that's one of the things I
like about Trump. And that's why I'm a Schumpeter guy. Man,
And I try and turn like the young bloods onto
show a like business cycles is a huge undertaking. It's
like it's basically like it's it's like trying to sit
down and read like dost capitol cover to cover. I mean,
obviously this capital is garbage and business cycle isn't business
cycle isn't. But it's also like there were that and
Burray Rothbard's the Great Depression. That's like they're rebuttal the
keys like in academic terms, and and then no, that's
the kind of stuff that's realistic, you know, v Mesi
and stuff. It's if you if you didn't like von
Mesi and ship and hyakas like a thought experiment, that's fine.
I spend a lot of time with like abstract stuff,
but don't act like this is like your model for policy.
That's ridiculous.
Speaker 5: That's a really good point to touch on what Thomas says, everyone,
all right, economics is not real. It's not a real thing. Right.
Economics presupposes that financial transactions and economic transactions exist in
a vacuum, right, And there's nothing inside that vacuum except
for individuals that are either buying and selling, one trying
to get the most the highest price for his goods
and the other to extract the most value from his purchase.
And it is only these logical decisions in buying and
selling and transacting that exists inside this vacuum called economics. Right,
No one is operating from any other you know, intent,
or from any other paradigm then value create, value acquisition
and price discovery. That's not real, that doesn't exist, right,
So if that existed, right, would Vladimir Putin? Would his
oil policy be influenced more by price discovery or the
strategic and geopolitical imperatives of the Russian state of the
Russian state. Okay, so I guess there's more inside this vacuum,
which means this vacuum isn't real, right, mean, see in economics,
rock Party in economics, like, none of this shit is real, right,
geopolitical and geostrategic comparatives exist, and they're far more of
a motivator for what people do at a global scale
than anything else. So if anybody tries to give you
some libertarian economics fucking bullshit or some reason about why
this guy is bad or why this other guy is
bad because they don't do this and something something, you know,
all that libertarianism shit is actually just not real, right.
It's policy that is using economics as like a cover
for liberalism. Economics isn't real.
Speaker 6: Sorry, go ahead, well globalism it's using it is a
cover for globalism. That is exactly right because, as as
Lists pointed out, and I think it's his second letter
about the American economy. You know, he just does some
basic I think it's his first letter. He does some
basic basic economics. Okay, there's three economic models. There's a personal,
there's a national, and there's the global. And he had
already seen this with Portugal giving up their wine production
to England. England at this time was becoming England was
becoming to Europe like China is to the United States
and to other countries at this point. And what he
said was, you can have two, but you can't have three.
You can have two, but you can't have three. If
the individual is always going to exist, that's the given.
So if you choose to have a global economy, the
national economy disappears. If you could choose to have a
national economy, the global economy disappears. And what we're seeing
now is especially since the nineteen eighties, when you know,
Harvard Business School was teaching well, you know, just send
your just send your manufacturing to China. It'll be cheaper
even with the transportation back by See, what you're seeing
is you've seen that our national economy is gone. There's
there's nothing here. And what you're what the attempt is
to bring it back by embracing more of a kind
of Listyan a Listian framework is to bring manufacturing home
and to if you want to do business, if you're
a global corporation that wants to do business in the
United States, well you better set up shop here if
you don't want to have to deal with tariffs. And
if you don't and if you don't want to set
up a shop here, you're going to have to deal
with tariffs, You're going to have to pay for it.
That's the way you save and that that's the way
you protect a national economy and people. And what basically
what the whole libertarian thing is is that, well, we've
seen the way that operates and that doesn't want You've
been fighting against it for one hundred fucking years. You've
been you've been trying to convince people that the free
market and lays fair and global economy and a free
market on labor coming from all over the fucking world
is the way to go. And nobody's going to adopt
you perfectly. But what they're going to do is they're
going to take what you're talking about, do a bastardized,
bastardized version of it, and they're going to create this
kind of globalism. Because one of the things that I
was talking to Luongo on the phone the other day,
and he was taught. He said he went to he
went to the mesa's conference and he talked about if
you get rid of the FED right now, you're basically
going to kill the country's dead, because everyone around the
world is you have bricks coming out with their own
kind of currency. You have somebody right now at the
FED who is fighting Zionism. The only people who may
be fighting Zionism more on a more competent level are
Hesbla and Hamas and all all the people actually fighting
at shooting and lobbing missiles over there.
Speaker 5: Collaborate on that bit, Pete, because I think it's important,
and I know you just talked to Tom Lolongo, so
you're gonna have it better than me, right with that
for a little bit.
Speaker 6: What What has what is Jerome pals? What has his
main focus to destroy? Ben the city of London and
all these European oligarchs, The Jewish city of London, the
thousand year old Jewish city of London. That's that one
square mile in the middle of London where all the
banks are where all the dirty money in the world
goes through, and the other European oligarchs. By everything that
he's been doing for the last three years, he's been
fighting that and he's been winning. I mean, they're going
and buying money. They're they're going and buying bonds that
friggin China is selling through like Saint Kits and places.
Just they're fucking grabbing money from malay They're grabbing all
the gold from Argentina down from Malaysia.
Speaker 5: They have to backstop the derivatives.
Speaker 6: Because they have to backstop the derivatives. And why do
they have to backstop the derivatives Because because because Powell
has weakened them so much by just disintegrating libor and
bringing it into the United States and putting so far
in Chicago and basically bringing home a national economy. And
these fucking libertarians are like, oh, we need to end
the FED right now, because if we end the FED,
you know, then we'll have what what are we going
to have?
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, you're encounter signaling Trump since every beginning, and
you think Trump is now your ticket to go.
Speaker 6: Hold on that.
Speaker 2: I need you guys to clarify something I just read
that Trump's gonna let jerom Pal's tenure finish, like his
term finished. So so going anywhere?
Speaker 5: What's no, He's not.
Speaker 2: I was under the es He's not going anywhere.
Speaker 5: Yeah, have been counter signaling everything that Trump has ever done,
and now they're trying to take his win as their
win and trying to push a narrative.
Speaker 3: Two things about the Libertarians. One interestingly, Uh, my my
homie Anthony Ramondo. He's a great dude, Like he took
us to he took me and him a dinner at
this awesome steakhouse in Portland. But you know, he's a lawyer.
He's got a very he's got a very valuable practice.
But he he was at the front lines of basically
representing small business during the COVID bullshit, and uh, basically
he approached like the von Mesians and like the Oregon Libertarians,
like basically for help, and he kind of publicized what
was going on like they wouldn't fucking touch it. And
he's like, you know what he's like, you know what
libertarianism is. He's like, it's a bunch of it's he's
like nerdy guys working shitty jobs, like looking for a
way to like basically like they're just like rent seeking
to basically be like libertarians, they're like constantly like on
the hustle for money. If what push comes to show,
they won't do ship as like an actual pack. They
won't do ship in terms of trying to like raise
money for like a legal defense or some guy who's
like business got crushed by like you know, some some
make believe like like like public health crisis mandate. They're
they're complete fucking scammers and drifters. But it's also even
those that aren't, you know, libertarians. One of the reasons
I'm a big burner sombard guy, and I'm sure like
right wing people at least in America get on my
ass because like they go, that's socialism. But you know,
Sombart is so important because he's like economics and politics
aren't discrete. They're not psychologically discreet, and they're not discrete
in terms of practice when the ever means to it's
a modality of politics. This is a modality of warfare.
This idea like, oh, the problem is structural and it's
the FED. It's like there's not there's not something like
intrinsically evil about banking or there's not something like intrinsically
deleterious to the financial system, you know about like a
federally abou about like federally guaranteeing like barer paper, Like
maybe it's not like not optimal, but this idea.
Speaker 5: That fed, the FED just monetizes debt. Who yeah, the debt.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well he's the same guys. It's like a cult.
It's like it's like shiny rocks are real, but Fiat
currency is not real, like it, you know, I know,
they they try like people like people like what's his name,
like like, uh economy, like one of those guys. He's
kind of faded, but he was, uh he was this
big foil to like the mad money guy. He was
a big libertarian. But he's always saying the like, well,
you know, you can't arbitrarily set interest rates on gold.
I'm like why, like what why can't you? Like that
doesn't make any sense. But it's like an article of
faith that like something that's something about specie you know,
is like resistant to uh, you know, manipulation at policy level.
But any guys, they're kind of be aquot one of these,
like I mean, speaking of Mirrorshamer I'm going somewhere with this.
I'm not just being scared sence. You know, he's another
like on the on the on the power political side,
and and you know, everything is structural. It's like this
big cop out, you know, like, oh, we can get
around you know, controversy and and and being targeted by
our ops for censorship. We just pretend everything's a structural
feature of of the market, or of or of or
of geostrategic or of the geopolitical map, you know, and
it's really it's like it's one part like stupid on purpose.
It's one part like intellectual parities, you know. So that's
one of the reasons. You know. And don't get me wrong,
I'm sure there's like decent guys that come out of
the von Nisus Institute. But but basically, like those guys
are clowns, and like when they're they're they basically always
take the politically correct path. So they're not countersignaling Trump.
They're saying like, oh, don't don't make waves about you know, COVID,
and you know, blah blah blah. Like they're they're like, yeah,
they're less than useless man, Like you know, they're uh yeah,
I mean that's all. It was his eye opening because Anthony,
like I said, man, he was uh, he's like, you know, look,
he's like, at least thought these guys would be good for,
you know, like helping some of these people pay in
destitution at least like mount of legal defense. But he's like,
there worklet's even for that. They're like a bunch of
motherfuckers like looking for ways to go on vacation by
like grifting people in rosmices of political activism. You know,
so I I they've all a profound disdain for them.
Speaker 6: Now, I've known Anthony Romando since uh since COVID.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he speaks really highly you man.
Speaker 6: Thanks. Yeah, he was heroic, you know, he was out
there keeping people's businesses open and doing it at I mean,
they were trying to just they tried to just them.
Oh yeah, they tried to just bar him. And he
went to the Libertarians and he said, you know, tell me,
tell me. It was like he was doing this in
La tell me, just point me to a business that
is under siege and everything like that. And they'd be
like and they point him to something that was like
like happened yesterday that it was it was there was
no They wanted to scream about it, and they wanted
to draw as much attention to themselves about it as possible,
but it didn't really seem like there was this bit
like they wanted to help. And then when it came
around time in twenty twenty one, when DeSantis was like,
no private business can force somebody to have a vaccine
passport to come in or to work there, Libertarians lost
their fucking minds because oh, the government shouldn't be able
to tell what private business was. Now, fuck you, yeah,
they should be able to tell private business. What if
somebody lives What if somebody lives in a place where, like,
you know, I live in a town that has one supermarket, Okay,
what if that one and I can't travel? What if
that one supermarket says no, I can't come in? All right,
what the fuck do I do? That is the job
of the state, you know, that would be a job
of the states to come in and go. Now, you
can't bar that person from eating. The fuck is wrong
with you? And Libertarians coming all down on my ass
over there, and I'm like, fuck you no, they're the.
Speaker 3: Regime there, the regime oil pussys who try and strike
a protest pose No, an it was disgusting too, Like Anthony,
I saw receipts on this, Like the state's attorney they're
trying Tom just barred like Anthony. I mean, honestly, Anthony's
a paison. He was claiming, yes, quote mafia t high.
He's like basically slandering the dude on like ethnic grounds.
I mean it's like, what the fuck is that? You
know what I mean? Like it they were like having
people like harass his family. I mean, he fought back,
he got the state's attorney sanctioned and like basically like
ruined the guy's career, which made me happy, but uh
point being like it's they they targeted Anthony for destruction
for sticking up like literally sticking up for the little guy,
which opposed libertarians all about. And yeah, not only did
they not help, they tried to actively sabotage it because
it's a grift.
Speaker 6: They don't give got the little guy. They give a
fuck about the corporation. And if you if you levy
sanctions on them saying that they they're not allowed to
bar people from there, It's like, what what the fuck
are you even taughbout you? So you're saying that they like,
you're backing up this corporation. That's like saying I don't
want people's business. Isn't that like totally against your model?
Oh No, it's voluntary on their part. It's voluntary that
they want that they would choose to use these vaccine passports. Yeah,
because they came up with the idea for the vaccine
passports on their own. It wasn't like the state who
came up with with this and was fucking forcing it
upon people.
Speaker 3: Now, fuck you, man, No, one of the one of
the reasons, Uh, I'm not thinking about me like I
don't matter, but I one of the reasons I got
in front a stop in my phony background and shit,
And first of all, you should be honest about that
kind of thing anyway. But a bunch of people thought
they were like boxing me, like right when I got
active again, like four years ago, and it was some
of the usual suspects. I mean, I don't need to
name to know who they are. But then it was
a bunch of these like libertarian guys, and their whole
thing was like racism is no place on the right,
and like, first of all, it's like, why why am
I quote unquote like racist. I don't really okay whatever
I mean, not not that that's a meaningless term, but
I thought that was a weird. It's I mean, okay,
I don't usually get hit with dad. It's usually the
anti Semitic or something. But it was these guys who's
supposed to like, oh, well, this is a critical issue
because people cast us as in this bad light and
it's like I've don'thing to do with you, and like
why would you care anyway? Like what does even mean?
But it's like, so these guys are going out of
their way to try and I hate you it will
figure out a way to make you a felon well
no huner, And it's like why would they care about
somebody like me anyway? I'm not even like in their
program or in their like sphere of activity. But then
it's like a lot of these guys there, it's like
Pete said, they're like they're literally corporate shills or they're
just like bums like Anthony pointed out, But the guys
are the former. It's kind of like their job to
like murk people who are like politically incorrect in their review,
Like they're really really toxic people.
Speaker 5: Man, that's intellectual, fucking cold desact too. But like the
whole Felm thing pisses me off because like, if you're
actually doing anything, all you have to do is go
back into the history of America's domestic intelligence and law
enforcement apparatus and know that if you're pushing back against
the regime in any way, they will try and do whatever,
whether it's planting stuff like if they're a mark of
if the mark of like elany or arrests or anything
like that. And then to be clear in my fucking game, no, no,
And to.
Speaker 3: Be clear, in my case, it was like one hundred
percent of my fault, Okay, like I wasn't like targeted
maliciously and I was like doing very wrong things.
Speaker 5: But it can't be a precedent because that's got to stop.
It's gonna get worse.
Speaker 3: Oh no, I agree there percent, But it's like I
got I got in front of that stuff because I
don't lie about things. But but my point is that
I was taken aback. I'm like, why do these guys
even care about me? And then to begain clear, there's
like a pattern here, man, you know, like that's because
that's like part of their job. And that's one of
the reasons why. I mean I realized now they're just
like a much of a locow. But for like the
longest time, like especially through like the Clinton nineties, they
were like, Okay, these are like the like official opposition
within like you know what passes for the right. It's like,
this is like the politically correct opposition, and they're like
they're like the Washington generals. They never like they're they're
just like these these these freaking nobodies who are kind
of like there to get you know, to play like
a role. But but yeah, they're they're really bad guys.
Like they're not They're not just like benign losers. They're
like assholes who try and like fuck people up. I
guess this is my point.
Speaker 4: Well, and to bring this back to you know, the
so called neocons, right, this is something we've seen them
do again and again, right same Sam Francis got canceled
by people on the alleged right yep. And so this
is something I've been talking about, you know, the five
of us have been talking about kind of behind the scenes,
is you know, what is the next stage for us?
You know, I think that the the era of you know,
s jaw destroyed, you know, just kind of like endlessly
making fun of the online left is probably coming to
an end, and that stuff was tired for a while,
like it has been tired for maybe four years now.
But I think at this point, you know, the left
is not completely broken, but you know, there's not much
to say to them anymore, you know, yeah, yeah, exactly.
But you know what you've seen is this scramble to
take credit for Trump's win, right, And you know, it's
kind of like opening opening fight between us, our friends
and then the people who refer to us by the
derogative quote unquote woke woke right, which is a retarded
term we don't need to get into. But I think
that's really going to be the that's going to be
the front of this upcoming war. And so you know,
you're talking about the degree to which you know, even
you know, many libertarians have gotten completely you know, psyoped
and are willing to you know, treat us as enemies, right,
are willing to you know, try and get us, you know,
under law enforcement pressure or whatever. Well that's certainly true
of them, But to the you know, the kosher right,
whatever you want to call them. They're much more explicit
about that fact. I mean, you know, you have people
like you know, James Lindsay and Michael O'Fallon, who you
know are are sort of continually interesting to me, who
are very very explicit about that fact. They are hunting
for fascists, and they want to present themselves and Trump's
win as a win for this kind of like race
blind nineties conservatism totally.
Speaker 3: Back, like Strauss, Allen Bloom. That's why I raised that
at the start. I wasn't trying to be pedantic, but
that's here guy's point, Like you were mentioning before we
went live, like is Neio conserved them still a thing?
Like it's not a thing in policy terms for the
reasons we explicated, but in philosophical terms, it absolutely is.
And like this is the way these guys think, like
they're they're they're anti fascists through like as an ideology.
They're into this like weird kind of past speech. It's
like Alan Bloom, Strauss, and it's also it literally is
like we're binning ju if you guys want to look
for that connection their whole notion and you read Straus
and Bloom, what's like kind of interstitial to like the
kind of deliberately esoteric kind of you know kind of
narrative is like, oh well, what's wrong with not just
the Roman Church, but you know these Calvinists and luther
Raians is God is invisible, Like we know that there's
a living God and he needs us to kind of
implement his will and and bring, you know, make the
world a just place by like elimitting this ignorance that
is people thinking they have a race, or like people
thinking that you know, not everybody is equal. Like it
really is really really insidious, and it's very very much
a political theology, and it's it's literally like meeting lotually anti.
Speaker 4: Finish in.
Speaker 3: Real quick.
Speaker 5: I wanted to drop this earlier when we were trying
to when we were defining neo conservatism. But there's a
famous quote by Bobby Fisher that I'd like to replace
one word with another if everyone would indulge me. My
basic thesis is that Jews are a criminal people, and
they completely controlled the United States and they are using
the United States as a vehicle to take over the world. Now,
if we were to repeat that exact same thing with
my basic thesis is that Jews are criminal people and
they've completely controlled United States and they are using the
United States as a vehicle to spread democracy all over
the world. You have neo conservatism.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't disagree. I don't disagree.
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's there's a section on our side of Twitter
that is obviously and you saw it after October seventh,
anyone who all of a sudden, all these protests started
happening on campuses and anyone who was against Israel and
was like, you know, saying well, I mean, what did
you expect to happen. You've been doing this to these
people for you know, for almost one hundred years now,
so what did you expect to happen? And these people
immediately started going, oh, well, you know, you you're basically
your third worldists, and you're you know, if you if
you have any if you look upon anyone in Gaza
as as a as a victim, you're you're a third worldist,
and you know you shouldn't be going against the Zionists.
And then Trump wins, and the same people you will
see sweets saying well, you know the way it is
right now, if you want to have any political clout,
you're going to have to be pro Zionist.
Speaker 2: And it's like and those people want to claim this
is their win as well. They're trying to say they
did this.
Speaker 3: Well, that's also why I was telling like one of
our one of our people, so I got like they
had respect for I was talking to him and in
Burden's chat and I was telling him, it's insidious that
all these idiots, whether it's like cerna bitch, whether it's
like that like Dan Bilzerian idiot, it's not just insidious
that these like literally metally retarded like bro guys or
something like oh no, I'm like right wing bro and
like it's real bad bro. I'm like these guys are
trying to insinuate. No, I know, but Bilsarians like typically like.
But my point is it's not accidental that like all
these fagas who were like, oh with weights, I'm like pussy,
I'm a bro. Oh no, I'm right wing. Like what
they're trying to do is they're trying to like they're
trying to gut uh this tendency of anything substantive, like
turn it into just like another like garbage like lifestyle brand.
And they're also trying to say like, oh you see,
we're like like this against a Bilsarian. It's like, see,
I'm critical of Israel too, but of course I know that,
like Muslims are so human. It's just Israel is going
too far.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: It's like a way of trying to murk us, you know,
by by like recasting what we stand for. And I
mean it's like okay, I don't I'm I'm a one
percent uh, I'm a day one like one percent bangorist.
But you know it is toxic man if like our
perspective gets like recast by these like shills or are
basically like taking on those claims like for the sake
of discrediting like anything we put out there. It doesn't
mean like, oh no, it's good, like there's a majoritarian
tendency for its being based that's not what it is.
Like that's happening too, but that's a totally different thing.
You know, Like these guys didn't like one day wake
up and be like, oh I'm right wing, because I'm.
Speaker 5: This is exactly what we need to be talking about,
because I see the only remember the first time we
got on the phone together, what was one of the
what was one of the first things we pointed out
how detrimental.
Speaker 6: The whole vitalist right wing is yes, sure everyone should
be working out, everyone should be lifting weights, but not
everybody should be working out and lifting weights and being pagans,
because that's the way you defet know, that's the way forward,
and you know it is.
Speaker 5: Always anybody wants to say that my position on that
is because I'm a pussy or I'm some fat loser
in my basement. I'm sure the guys that are on
zoom right now can affirm that I am a in fact, giant, jacked,
crazy person and I don't live in a basement. So
all criticism of vitalism is not fat people, right. Uncle
Adolph told us that vitalism is a.
Speaker 3: What do you call it?
Speaker 5: It's a surrogate for political action. It makes me feel
like you're doing political action, but it doesn't actually have
any political utility.
Speaker 3: I've got something though, I've got some authority to speak
on this, and I don't talk about the locks. I'm
not going to be one of these guys who like
relives his days is like some high school football star
or something, unlike all these motherfuckers. Basically, I was a
competitive bodybuilder. That was like my whole life for nine
years Okay, when I was young. I know all about
that culture from within. It's like very fucked up. It's
very perverse, it's very overly sexualized. And you know what
it is for almost all the dudes who are like
at a competitive level, it's some like it's like some
cope of like not dealing with real life. Like nobody
gives a fuck. Nobody gives a fuck if you lift weight.
Somebody was a fuck if you're like, you know, if
if you've got if you've got like a display case
full of trophies, like literally nobody could care less about
that ship. You're not any different than some dude like
doing historical like reenactments on the weekend where it tends
to be a night this idea we need.
Speaker 5: Jack Thomas photos on the timeline as because now I
know that we need Jacked Thomas photos on the timeline.
Speaker 4: I'm proud I.
Speaker 3: Dropped a few of them. Okay, like I just don't know.
I don't want to get it open that can of worms.
But my point being like the whole one of the reasons,
I mean, if that's part of going up and maturing,
like you don't you don't put stock in that kind
of thing anymore, like get used to and also like
I wasn't gonna like kill myself with like got to
control drug use and it was getting out of control,
like uh like PDS. I mean, but the but the
point is, like it's there's something pathetic about guys thinking like, oh,
so I'm good, so I'm like teaching like COMMUNIICLISTA, And
it's like, bro, you're you're being a fucking loser, you know,
like not not liting waves of your loser Like investing
that much into that stuff is like a huge like
loser move and if you're in, you're a faggot. Just
really that's also like what's that even mean? It's like
so you you you you worship are trying to odin
because you think that like I mean, like I don't.
There's guys like Ellen de ben Wah, like he if
we're talking about paganism and like some Heydegarian sense, Okay,
I'll accept that, but what these guys are talking about,
it's like you can't like believe in things you know
aren't true. So it's like you believe some guy you
leaves a giant anvil in in Asgard and when some
and when some ethereal spectral being strikes it, that that
what makes lightning happen. Like you, you've decided to believe
it like at.
Speaker 6: All, it's just a cope against against Jews. It's it's
basically this thing where it's like, well, you know, you
worship this desert, you worship the desert, Israeli and everything,
and because you do that, you'll never you'll always be
under the power of the Jews, and I mean literally,
and they'll be like, I'm just bye by this by
being a pagan, I'm blessing my ancestors, I'm doing my ancestors,
and I'm like your grandfather was a fucking Christian, all right.
Speaker 3: But also they don't they don't understand.
Speaker 6: What the ancestors and the ones they know.
Speaker 3: The issue with that too is that there was no
like Judaism as we know it before like one five
a D. It's the whole point that correct without Saturday
thing priests who without a temple, there is no Judaism.
And secondly, if you want to go up to some
like Zionists or just like some guy here like in
my coot, some like huge like you know, like conservatd
Jewish guy you're like, I'm a Nazi and I worship four,
he'd look at you like you were a metal case.
I have no idea what you're talking about, like this
idea that like gives some threat to like Zionists. If
you're like pretending you're like a Viking lord, like nobody
cares about that. Nobody even knows what you're talking about.
You know, yet somehow, like if I started like preaching
the Gospel with my KGV in my hand, those same
guys would probably like physically attack me. Hmm, I wonder
why that is, you know, Like I'm not saying that's
the metric, but you understand what I mean.
Speaker 5: Yeah, why does this certain place in the desert that would,
to Peed's point, this certain place, this little desert country
have to buy law replace the plus symbol as in
like the opposite of the minus symbol with this weird
little C type squiggle creature because the plus symbol looks
too much like a cross that it pains them to
see it, so they need it removed from all of
their mathematic and economic and pretty much all of their
literature written large across the nation, because it's not symbol,
it's a symbol that offends them.
Speaker 6: What does that sound like from literally, what does that
sound like from literary history?
Speaker 5: Vampires?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's yeah, No, it's like it's like, well, also,
that's how I can tell these guys don't interact in
the real world, because if you like Ben around Jews
and you've been around, if you understand like not just
philosophically and historically like the source of ethno sectory intention,
but if you interact with other people like in any
kind of like meaningful capacity, you know, that's that's in
the large part where you're like identitarian sense of cell
comes from, at least in political terms, you know, if
you're like the citing, you're like an oldedness whatever you're
you're you're like reading comic books in your house and
like you're you live in some like random town where.
Speaker 5: Like it was a Marvel guy that everyone makes fun of.
Speaker 3: No exactly, and like I played the point, and I
mean I I kept a lot of hate from people
for all kinds of like goofy reasons, but I you know,
like I I mean, I'm like a day one minority
because I always have been on the ground here, you know,
and even like my Ethnoles is a minority here, not
just my race, you know, like and it uh you know.
And the fact is that's why I consider myself some
of an expert on and these kinds of relationships across uh,
ethnic and sectarian lines, because that's the way you have
to live your life here unless you're gonna be a
shut in. And I take some pride in that because
to me, like white power is what mastercast stuff is,
like is the reason why like you know, hood guys
or Spanish guys you know, or you know, uh, these
like Slavic guys, whether they're like Romanian or Yuki or
Polish or whatever, you know, they like my shit rings
out man like, not not not because like I'm so important,
but it's because I represent it correctly. Man, So like
them guys like give me respect.
Speaker 5: You know. Everywhere I go in the world. If I
go to China, the Chinaman tries to speak like me.
If I go, unfortunately or reluctantly to India, the Indian
man tries to speak like me. He tries to dress
like me. The Chinaman tries to dress like me. Yeah,
why does he? Why does he do that? Right when
he goes to sleep, he has dreams about a little house,
a white picket fence. He has my dreams, or what
he thinks my dreams are. He uses my technology. Right
as I talk to him, planes are flying over my
head and satellites above them. His whole conceptualization of the world,
his paradigm is white supremacy. Yeah, I don't hate I
don't hate the you know, Jewish people, other than the
fact that, like, as I go through on Pete's podcast
in the Wasp series, that you know, my ancestors built
a beautiful nation, the richest nation in the history of
the world, out of the abject wilderness and savagery that
was America pre colonization, and a couple of them organized
nefariously and disenfranchised us in the thirties and used World
War two to seal the deal. If they had never
done that, if they had never come here, I would
have absolutely no problem with it. Now it's like become existential.
I mean, your people are trying to get rid of
my people.
Speaker 3: Like politically, I mean your ops, you're ops. You know,
it's it's it's soundto logical, it's not personal like and
that's why what's also weird. It's weird like I try
to explain of motherfuckers, Like people have no idea what
goes on in my own mind because it's so mysterious
and complicated just because they don't disclose it.
Speaker 5: And it's like very very good. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well it's like, look, honestly, you know, I've got ulster heritage,
and uh it's basically the way I think about stuff.
If I had my way, if if some hood motherfucker
like butchered like uh my people, unfortunately happens. Uh sometimes,
you know, like to that horrible like Knoxville incident, if
it was up to me, I probably order like ten
random military a black males decimated. You know, I do
stuff that will like horrify these motherfuckers. They clay I'm
soft on stuff. It's like the fact I'm not like
a piece of shit loser who goes around like hating
black folks for no reason. It's like, well, I don't
do that. It's not a fucking loser, you know, And
it's like I'm not and that's not like weirdo who
like hates people.
Speaker 5: You should like just address that a little bit deeper, Thomas,
because it goes into what what Burden and Pete were
talking about about this third world that's been inserted into
the narrative, like the ribbon doesn't exist. You just hate
brown people just to hate them.
Speaker 4: Wrong with you?
Speaker 3: No that and they also know what what's like? So
uh I I hang around like Syrian and Palestinian people
like they're so they're not white, but some like some
like some like skeazy Jewish guy is like get the
fuck out here, you know, like the sharhasage not like
oh I mean I I I'm not, I'm not something
like wignate idiot. I mean still's more complicated than this,
but it's like so like ben Netting Yahoo is some
like superior specimen, but like Asad is like a third
world like Denizen, Like what does that even meet?
Speaker 5: Like that's do you go around America? Like hate? Do
you go to like the seven eleven? You hate the
guy behind the counter. Yeah, he doesn't want to be there.
You don't want to be there, but you hate him
for no reason. You can't be politically useful in anyway,
but you can just hate, you know, people of absolutely
no political significance whatso.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well it's also many personal feelings don't figure
out of the equation you know, like I don't yeah,
like it's uh but no, that's why these people aren't.
They're they're NPCs. They're just like loudmouth NPCs or they're like, uh,
are there guys uh their gut back when you can
actually afford to like go to baseball games for cheap
they're they're like they're like the drunk guys like in
the bleachers that really feel just like talking shit and
like trying to spit on like you know, uh like
some random motherfucker where they blame they lost some money
on their lives better or something like. They're not these
guys got like nothing to do with us, but it's.
Speaker 5: Not doesn't exist. It was invented by the same guy
that tried to push chance of transdenderism, and he got
angry that he got kicked out of Germany and couldn't
fuck kids anymore, so he came up with this theory
called racism.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, essentially, what's what's although too? Like why is
the guy like that? Basically the day one the origin
of quote anti Semitism. This guy Bill helm Mar he
was one of these, like he's one of these, like
late nineteen to early twentieth century like racialists who was
trying to reduce everything to like biological and paradigms. He's like, oh,
you know the reason why fore this tension between you know,
like Jews and Germans, It's because they're submit and then
it's just like other race, so they're like programmed by blood.
Was like this was before you know, the human genoism,
as you know, they're programmed by blood to like act
this way and think this way. So it's like why
that doesn't make any sense like in this idea, Like
so you know we have if Jews have like political
hostility with other people, it's because those people hate Semitism,
Like what that? What do they even mean? You know,
like like and it but it's terms of bandied, like
it actually like means something or like it actually describes
political realities.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I have far more in common with Native Americans
than I do Benjamin Yahoo, like there there are noble people, Yeah,
pretty much. I mean yeah, just thinking about some of
the I was reading earlier today about you know, some
of the Native American tribes and you're like, these are
martial people, right, this is a martial cast.
Speaker 3: No, they they I I've got a lot of esteem
for Uh, I've got a lot of esteem for for
Red Indians, man. I mean like there there there are
there's there's profound differences like throughout the population depending on
who we're talking about. But no, the Crazy Horrors was
a great man, you know, like he's probably like my dads.
My dad's ender the Indian Wars and were fain the states,
like I'm into World War two. You know, that's like
his like big like reason it is interest and like
crazy Horse is one of his heroes.
Speaker 5: So sometimes I was like a kid, you know, like
I learned every every Anglo man, at some point in
his life will find some war that he will then
become obsessed with, but he will never become obsessed with
more than one. Yeah, yeah, this one.
Speaker 3: What's also I mean, Head's a brilliant guy, but he's
more I mean he's you know its history very well,
but he's like he's like a high level like economists,
like game theory type guy.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: It's like he's not as much of a he's not
as much like a history fag as I am, or
like a historicism fag as I am. But he but yeah,
I so when I was like a little type, uh
you know, I I grew up learning about little Big
Horning and Custer obviously, but also like Sitting Bull and
Crazy Horse and yeah, no, I I there. They're an
amazing people, man. And it's what's also, I developed huge
respect for Islam. I started studying it because I met
some of these Bosnia guys in the nineties, you know,
they like I was talking about on my pot and
they were fascinating guys and girls. And I never I've
never met like European people who were like Bosmos, you know,
that's what they're They're like blonde, eard blue, white people
who were very very sony, and so I started like
boning up on Islam and stuff and that's everything. We're
young and yeah, man, like I uh, it's there's uh,
there's very very noble Islamic cultures. And I'm still I'm
an Orientalist, you know, like I guess yeah, and I mean, man,
but like it. But I'm also like why as fuck,
you know, I find it crazy guys who like convert
through and or like Christians. I can't imagine being anything
but like a Bible Protestant, you know, not even like
consciously and just can't imagine doing that. But I you know,
these people like trying to fro shade on like Islam.
They think that like oh in London, there's some like
there's some like atheists. Somali guy, you can't read like
rape some girl. That's Islam. It's like it's so fucking stupid.
It'd be like me saying like I hate Catholicism, some
piece of shit like Venezuela and like Sereno like did
something horrible if he crashed the border. But I but no,
I I guess my view on I mean that starts
for rambling, but I guess kind of like the way
my dad he's crazy horses, kind of like the way
a few people like self hydene and stuff.
Speaker 5: Salaaden is yeah, I mean this is Saladin is. Not
to turn this into history class, but Salaadin and kind
of like the martial nature of some of the Arab peoples.
When Richard the Lionheart was Ye was fighting in one
particular battle, he was literally standing on a mountain of corpses.
His horse had got shot under a shot out from
underneath him, and almost all of this men had been
killed and it was really just him and two other
knights backed into a corner and they're basically working their
way back, you know, fighting their way backwards and stepped
over other people that have died, and eventually, you know,
Saladean was so impressed. He thought this was the most
He thought this was, you know, one of the most
noble things he'd ever seen, and he immediately ordered all
of his men to stop. So two of his uh so,
two of his aid the camps could bring two of
his favorite horses to Richard because he's like a man
so noble right needs to be on a horse, right,
he can't be basically being a knight or at king
and being what do they call it when you get
off horseback. Dismounted was viewed as you know, it's like
if you saw a guy that you respect a lot,
you know, just have a car drive by and cover,
you know, splash him with a bunch of mud and
you're just like, you take off your coat and you
give it to the man because you respect him like no.
Speaker 4: People.
Speaker 3: Yeah, ball on the leper at sal Hydine had a
great rapport and that's one of the read things that
kept the King of Majerusalem safe. It's horrible movie because
because it's like King of Heaven it's like like the
it's horrible history and it's just like dumb. But there
are a couple aspects. The guy who plays South Hydien
is like a brilliant Arab actor and he really seems
like that type. And Edward Norton his ball in the Leopard.
I thought it was pretty cool and like they're they're
kind of rapport. I thought it was cool and it's
but no, I anybody who reads Gion or anybody who
reads like a real history of Uh, it looks like
really like Michael Prouden's History of Uh the Mongols, which
was which was essential reading at UH at SS Officer
Younger School. That's a great book. And I do have
a huge respect for the Mongols, like nobody. I feel
like any kind of real white man, like you respect
that ship, you know, and like anybody throws to put
shade on it, like generally in their own life. They're
like some kind of like dysgenic pussy, but also like
they're just like a piece of ship.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: It's like I'm gonna hate on.
Speaker 5: People have to hate these people, and I have to
like and I have to support this other nation that
is dissolving my race and ethnicity in my homeland to
try and subvert and get out in front of any
nationalist tendencies that may occur and therefore reduce funding and
support for this nation because I hate brown people.
Speaker 3: What's also I mean, I don't I don't disrespect people's race,
because that's the same reas I don't like disrespect somebody
white for their mom.
Speaker 5: Keyboard. Yeah, like I'm not.
Speaker 3: I'm not a disrespectful fuck, And if you are.
Speaker 4: That was my it makes you feel any better. That
was actually my my elbow, not my keyboard, which is
probably more fucking disturbing. But I didn't realize that was unmuted.
Speaker 3: My bad. Guess I'll wrap it up that.
Speaker 5: It's definitely more disturbing.
Speaker 3: I don't like disrespectful people, man, and like I don't,
I won't. I won't tolerate some some black guy or
a Spanish guy or anybody like disrespecting my race. I
don't care. Get my ass kicked, and I'm not going
to tolerate it. So, I mean, the last thing I'm
gonna do is just turn around and like, just respect
someone's race. I gonna whim. If you do that, you're
you're first of all you're asking to get mrked and
you deserve it. But also you're just like a piece
of ship, that's all.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's that to me is bad optics. For months
to cry about optics, That to me is bad optics. Yeah,
it's uh, it's day one stuff. But these dudes are
never you know, not I'm not something like badass or
gangsterous person. I'm like a guy likes to read books
and stuff. But like I have been in the street,
and anybody who talks that way is not because you know,
they're they're they're and I mean, plus you just shouldn't
think that way anyway. It's it's it's it's uncool, and
it's dishonorable men.
Speaker 3: And at the end of the day, like how things
appear actually doesn't matter, Like that is it's not all
you got, but it's a lot of what you got.
I gotta raise up here, man, time kind of got
away from me. I'm sorry to be abrupt, but yeah,
I gotta Yeah I didn't. It's like dumping snow here
some of the other things, like I gotta like shovel snow.
Speaker 5: The three the four of us will wrap it up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but uh, we should do this again, man,
and uh like sooner than later, and like my schedule
is little more chill because like some of the Thomas
Tours stops that now like no longer exist, like I
mean they exist on the map, but like they're no
longer like part of the part of the tour. So
but so yeah, just give me like a two days
notice if you could, anytime, and we can do this again, man,
and yeah, I'll uh yeah man, yeah, I guess you
and I p will click up this weekend and uh.
Speaker 6: We got tomorrow we're recording for the podcast and then
we're gonna do a movie review on Saturday.
Speaker 2: Movie.
Speaker 3: Can you tell us what movie? It's not the peak?
If you.
Speaker 2: Do you do you want to reveal or do you
want to wait? Surprise?
Speaker 6: It's always a surprise. We never announced that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but it's a good one. It's a
good one. I think you also prove it. Yeah. And
then on Sunday, like me and uh me and Jay
Bourbon are gonna are gonna do some stuff too.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, that reminds me. I have to I have
to go back over some of the America first stuff
for Pete, my bad Pete.
Speaker 3: I I literally didn't do any of that. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
we got to allow me to participate, man, And sorry
for being abrupt, but yeah, I'll coming back. Yeah, of course. Man.
I'll catch up with you guys in the next few days. Great,
take care, all.
Speaker 2: Right, listen, gentlemen, we only I only have about twenty
minutes left. I got up to make myself a cup
of coffee when I came back. Thomas and Stormy we're
talking about fucking crazy horse. So I don't know where
the fuck you guys got to that. I don't mind. No,
I think it's cool. But uh, we're gonna I'd like
to finish out on two things. I'm gonna ask Pete
a question and Jay burden of question. So first question
to Pete is, uh, Matt Gates, you were talking about
this before. I want to I want to a little
bit more get back to that he resigned or stepped
down or refused to accept this nomination because of this scandal.
He's embroiled in h Ryan Dawson says that some of
the people involved in this scandal are Israelis and they
were working for the Israeli government. He didn't prove it
to me. Yeah, well, okay, so if you know it's
a fact, prove it now.
Speaker 5: He did. He published are you are you on his
are you subscribed to his substec Oh? Yeah, all right,
and that you subscribed to like the a n C Report.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he doesn't.
Speaker 5: I remember seeing it there. I remember seeing it there.
But yeah, we don't have access to him.
Speaker 2: He didn't. He didn't conclusively prove that it was connected.
It was an Israeli op.
Speaker 5: Pete, if you want to reach out to him, I'll
reach out to him through Larry. We can probably sort
that out.
Speaker 6: Yeah we could.
Speaker 2: But but here's the thing. It stinks of an as
Israeli op and it probably was. I just don't think
we have the proof yet.
Speaker 6: Well, I'm getting it somebody released this morning, and I
don't know whether it's real or not, but allegedly his
Venmo history has been released.
Speaker 2: And yeah, and that's real. Yeah, it's real.
Speaker 6: If that's real, then there is a lot of money
going to what looks like random women. Yeah, I don't know,
you know, I don't know.
Speaker 5: I know.
Speaker 6: Orrin McIntyre right now is saying that, you know, it
could be that he was he was the bait that
was put out there to make everybody crazy and then
they'll slide somebody in who you know has more, is
more of an order follower, has more experience at doing
this kind of thing. Maybe his own personal lawyer. I
saw someone screaming for cash Patil to be put in
that position, because that guy's you know, say what you
want about him about you know, wherever he comes from,
wherever his family is from. The guy's a maniac and
he like he literally wants to take He wants to
throw people in jail. I mean, he wants he wants
to see people in jail. I don't know who you know,
I don't know, no the Cash Bettel, but I don't know,
you know, if this is true or not, what it is.
It just we're just getting the news a couple hours ago.
The the what could happen was the this could have
been all leaked. A lot of this could have been
honey potted, a lot of it. I don't know. Yeah,
we don't.
Speaker 2: Let me tell you what Ryan Dawson's claiming. And this
is all true, but there's no definitive link to Israel.
This guy, Jonathan Greenberg, he's a Jewish tax collector in Florida.
He's a multiple felon.
Speaker 6: I'm sorry that that that name sounds very Irish to me.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it is promises, and he's he's going to
prison for eleven years on thirty three felonies. He's probably
he'd probably should be in prison.
Speaker 5: He should. I know, I know.
Speaker 2: They're fucking with us, man, They're definitely fucking with us.
So he should be going to prison longer than eleven years.
But he led the Feds to Matt Gates, so they
went easy on him as part of his deals, throwing
Matt Gates under the bus. Here's the problem, though. There's
this CIA agent and listen to this name. Tell me
if this is also Irish, Bob Levinson, you could see it,
if you could see a picture.
Speaker 3: Of this guy. If that's not Irish, that's Amish.
Speaker 2: He's a He's a CIA agent who got captured in Iran.
He's believed to be dead, but there are some people
still working to free him that say he's still alive
and say he was never killed.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: There's somebody who came to Matt Gates's father and said,
if you give us twenty five million dollars, will make
all these charges go away. This was before it blew up.
I don't know if you saw Matt Gates on Tucker,
but when they came to his dad and said, hey,
this guy has all this shit on your son, Matt,
and he's gonna blow him up. If you give us
twenty five million dollars, we'll make it disappear. And they
were going to say they were gonna make the money
transfer look like he was giving a donation to help
these people get Robert Levinson out of Iran. They're like,
on paper, this is gonna look like you're giving us
money to help free this guy from Iran. Those are
the people Ryan Dawson is saying are Israeli or connected
to Israel at least, which makes sense because who else
would be able to fucking try to free a Jewish
cias And from Iran. So we got to follow this
story and see if it pans out that way. Ryan
Dawson's probably correct. It's just he hasn't been able to
definitively prove that they are connected to Iran, but it
sure stinks like that. So if that's the case, this
was of course a blackmail scheme to sabotage Mat Gates
for this exact type of thing. So I think in
light of all this, Trump knew all this, and he's
nominated him on purpose as a fuck you. You were
talking about COVID before Pete. I mean, Robert Kennedy is
a fuck you appointment, you know what I mean? Telsea
Gabbard a fuck you appointment? Like these are very rhetorically
effective moves that he's doing.
Speaker 6: Right, and I mean it's hard to know. You know,
you have to take into consideration the entire West has
been under occupied, has been occupied for eighty five years.
So the occupiers it's easiest for them to do to
move within the system, but they've basically designed the system
so that they can do whatever they wish within the system. Yeah,
I don't see. Here's the thing. Having Matt Gates there
as a g we know that he's motivated, and you know,
we know that he'd be you know, he'd be an attack.
But really, if Trump is intent on going full Article
two and going after the people he was going to
go after with Matt Gates, he's going to go after
them with anyone. So yeah, the way I look at
it is you put anyone into that position, and I like,
you know, I like Matt Gates. I like his fire,
he could be guilty of all this that there's a
good chance he could that he's guilty in some way.
Speaker 5: Why would he use that though? It doesn't make any
sense because Congress literally has a slush fund for paying
off basically you know, you know, in a bug I
can't remember, I can't put into words basically sex allegations
against members of Congress. They literally have behind like literally
hundreds of millions of dollars set aside for congressmen that
put their dick where it's not supposed to be. And
now some girl wants to come out and tell a
story like literally your tax dollars go to fund suppressing
their sex scandals. And Matt Gates is one of the
only people that's never had to withdraw from that slush fund.
Speaker 6: The speaker of the former Speaker of the House, Dennis Hastert,
was apparently diddling kids, and nobody really went to bat
for him. And what's the weird thing about that is
Democrats don't throw that in the face of Republicans like
every day. Yeah, no, it would be something you know,
if you if a former Democrat Speaker of the House
went to jail for diddling kids, that would be something
you would hope the Republicans would would be bringing up
any time they could, But they don't. They don't bring
up No one's.
Speaker 5: Talking about Gates. Could be completely surprised that he even
has a fucking Benmo account.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just no, no, no, that's not what happened. What
do you mean he admits that, he admits it. He
admits that he gave these women money. He just says
that they weren't prostitutes, and he said he didn't give
them the money for the sex. He was given them
money for plane tickets. The thing that's preposterous.
Speaker 5: Yeah, this was this was part of it. That was
what they were saying with the black met with the
sex trafficking thing when they got them the first time.
Speaker 2: Right, it's the same thing. It's the same case. Yeah,
come it's coming back.
Speaker 5: This is the same This is the same case, the
same thing. Yeah yeah, yeah, oh then yeah, this isn't
even a fucking issue then, because they all that stuff before, had.
Speaker 6: He was he was here. Here here's the bigger question.
Fuck the how, ask the why? Why did he step
down at this point?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is exactly the question. That is exactly the question.
And somebody told him.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So, I mean, in Ken Paxton, there's a always
a thought in my mind of are we running are
we running the QAnon playbook again?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 2: Which was right? Everything?
Speaker 4: You know, which is the idea that Trump is playing,
you know, fifth dimensional chess. Everything was intentional. And I mean,
is there just a possibility that he wanted Gates? Because
Gates was, you know, a fire breather. He knew he
had a chip on his shoulder, and he expected Republicans
to get in line, and four Republicans flaked out on him,
and so he was stuck in a bad situation and
was like, all right, we'll get someone else, like regardless
of any backroom stuff, Like, I feel like it's at
least worth considering the fact that this might be exactly
what it looks like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is exactly what it's looked like. Let me
let me just throw this out here. I agree.
Speaker 5: So it was in the Senate, right, So four Republicans
flaked out in the Senate.
Speaker 4: But yes, yeah, four And I don't remember the names.
I know one of them was in Utah who narrowly
run narrowly won his primary.
Speaker 5: And you will tell me that having Marco Rubio back
in the Senate and not in a useless position of
sector of state is better, not a new burden.
Speaker 2: But here's what I think happened with Gates. So Pete,
to your point about Denny Haster, the reason why Denny
Haster he had to quietly go away and it's not
being thrown in their face, is because he was part
of the network that everyone else is involved in. These
are provided by the Epstein blackmail Masad network. I think
what happened with Gates. I think what happened with Gates
is that he was just partying and this fucking this
guy Greenberg was not connected to anybody. He was just
a rich kid who had a government position, and he
partied like crazy, and he he was like hooking up
with girls he met online and he started like ostensibly
pimping them out. And Matt Gates got connected to him
and they were partying together. Then what happens, and there's
no espionage going on, Then what happens is Greenberg gets
arrested and is facing basically life in prison. So he's like, well, hey,
I got Matt Gates here, I could throw him under
the bus and I'll get I'll get a reduced sentence.
And then that's when the according to Dawson, Israelis came
along and said, oh shit, Matt Gates is caught up
in the scandal. We can get in on this and
like make it work to our benefit because Matt Gates
had already like opposed the anti Semitism bill at this point,
Matt Gates had already sworn off a pac money.
Speaker 5: This happened after things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, so I think it's opportunistic on the point
of the people who were trying to blackmail him with
the with the whole Robert Levinson Cia thing.
Speaker 6: And that would be their history, right. They don't build anything.
They come in and they just basically take it over
and suck it dry.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that you said that, Stormy. Stormy says this.
Speaker 6: Thomas says this all the time. He goes telling Jews
capitalists is completely wrong. They don't do what capitalists do.
They don't do what entrepreneurs do. They don't build anything.
They come in and they take over. They find a
way to just so we to I hate to use
these terms because they're so they're cartoonish at the time,
but they weel their way in and this is the
kind of thing. This is the kind of thing that happens.
It's like, oh, okay, so we see that Gates. Gates
is compromised in some ways. So and he's never we've
never been able to get anything on him exactly.
Speaker 5: Now we have this, and if it was really legit,
then the Justice Department, I mean, you can tell me
that Merrick Darland, Merrick Garland suddenly the paragon of you know,
non political persecutions.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 5: The DOJ has had this right, They've had his Venmo right.
They used fize courts to get pretty much everybody that
was part of the original Maggie movement. There's nothing that
they do not have that he has. So why wasn't
the case ever brought?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Right, they own the fucking I mean, look, they can
literally make a pretend fake case against Donald Trump and
get convictions. You're telling me if they had actual evidence.
Speaker 2: Another thing is I don't mind making constantly referencing Dawson
because I mean, Dawson's a guy that's around that we
could just talk to. So I don't really need to
make a show about his show, as he is a.
Speaker 5: Guy with that that is paramount documentation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, his his episodes behind a paywall, so I'll give
him free advertising. All this stuff I'm talking about. Go
pay for his thing and listen to this episode. He
makes a really fucking good point. Yeah, yeah, I'm subscribed.
He's been on my show. He's a great dude. Actually,
he was gonna come on with us, but it store
me the first time when we talked about Ukraine. He
was going to try, but it was we did it
on his birthday. Oh, anyway, to your points, Stormy, two
of the girls accusing Gates who were named back in
twenty twenty one, never came forward. Never. They're like, we
don't want to have anything to do with this. They
never came forward, they never testified nothing. Now, all of
a sudden, this is in the news, Gates gets the appointment.
All of a sudden, they testify in front of Congress
a week or two ago. So who talked to them
between twenty twenty one and now somebody fucking talked to
them put them up to it. I don't know if they.
Speaker 6: Picked someone either paid them or had something on them,
or threatened them. Yeah, their young girls.
Speaker 5: They're young girls. How hard is it to scare young girls?
Speaker 6: Yeah? I can't remember if it was Meerscheimer or Jeffrey
Sachs I heard say this, or it could have been
it was somebody who was on the Polazano Show and
they were saying, you know, you everyone in everyone in
Congress has an a pack handler, you know, and a
pack funnels and it is real funnel so much money.
And I'm like, I don't think it's the money, man.
I think they have something on everyone. I don't know
if you caught this, but Tucker recently Tucker interviewed Greenwald
and Tucker said, he said, you know, I have it
on good authority. I've been told that all this by
agencies controlled porn Hub and all of these places, and
they have everybody's history and not only their history on
what they look at on Pornhub in these places, but
also on dating sites.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Gates Gates you seeking arrangements. So whatever whatever
Gates had, they had, And I think Tucker and Glenn
Greenwall did that on purpose. I think they put that
episode out because this is how Tucker works, man, This
is how I mean.
Speaker 6: That's that's every time Douglas Douglas was on Judge Napolitano,
he's dropping information for somebody else. That's what whenever an
episode drops with McGregor on Judge and app It's the
first thing I did. I just stop everything I'm doing
and I listen, because you're getting information that's not that
you're not going to get anywhere else.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, right on. Well, look, I think we have to.
But I don't know. That was my question for.
Speaker 5: He's barely actually had. Poor guy doesn't have anything to
talk about.
Speaker 2: No, I don't really have.
Speaker 3: Well, I was for me, yeah, I do.
Speaker 5: That was your question? Was your question the Gates one?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: No, no, my my my question for Pete was going
to be who's going to replace Gates?
Speaker 5: Burton? What do you think?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 4: My thought is And I cannot remember the guy's name,
but the like the deputy or the second demand the
ag was also nominated, and I believed he was Trump's
personal lawyer. To me, that seems to be a direct
shoe in the trend I'm identifying in all of this,
right is beyond you know, any person's personal politics right in,
no worries, but it seems like the dividing line through
all of these is complete and total loyalty to Trump.
Speaker 3: Right now.
Speaker 4: Obviously Gates had that, I would have liked to see
Gates in there, if for no other reason than it
makes progressives cope and seed. But to be honest, if
the guy's been working for Trump this entire time has
stuck through all of this insane law fair, well, it's
a pretty good sign that he does what's what he's told, right,
that he's not leaving Trump. And so through all of
these the through line I see, you know, whether we
talk about Heiggs, Seth or any of these guys, I mean,
I care about their personal politics, right, but it seems
to me in every case they are Trump loyalists. And
to me, the ultimate test in this is basically, some
sort of crisis is manufactured where there is a I
don't mean to say artificial. A crisis occurs and there's
a disagreement between Trump's two supporting factions, right, the traditional
Republican Zionist base and Trump's new friends in Silicon Valley.
And if that crisis comes about, right, there is a
mutually exclusive situation, right zero some days try and make
that happen exactly. Well, what one who does Trump go with?
And two the people under Trump do they like Benjamin
met and Yahoo more or Trump more? And I think
that's really the important question.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you should jump into the comments section of any
of these normal APAC the Senator and APAC congressman posters
about their support for Israel, and you see what these
mega guys are saying, and they're not happy.
Speaker 6: Here's something to talk about.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 6: So Todd blanche is who he names his deputy if
he slides up. Okay, we know we've already talked about this.
He's worked, He's worked in the Southern District of New York.
He's clerked for two federal judges. He's worked at, you know,
two of the biggest law firms in the country. Here's
what I missed the first time. In that same announcement,
he had put behind him, which would be the deputy,
the principal associate's a deputy Attorney general would be Emil Bove.
Emil Bove is a you know, like Seneca Falls, New
York guy.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 6: His father was was assistant New York Attorney General. He
went to Mendus Academy, Georgetown, Georgetown University School of Law.
He worked at the Southern District as well. While there,
he led unit persecutions against Nicholas Maduro Sesarsayak Tony Hernandez
Fabio Lobo. He became a partner at Blanche Law, which
is the law firm that Todd Blench established. He's also
another one, He's what's his name's uh, he's another one
of Trump's lawyers. So basically he had two people waiting
in the wings who are his lawyers, his loyalists, and
people who have worked in the biggest you know done
you know, gone up against some of the biggest criminals,
you know, one of the biggest criminals in the world.
And also he's I mean, you couldn't find two people
who are more experienced in doing the kind of things
that Trump would want to do if he does invoke
that article to privilege when it comes to using his
attorney general against certain people.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think this is uh, this is actually what
we should be talking about, because who does more work
in the dog Is it Merrick Garland or is it
the people that are underneath him, right, the deputies of
like let's say, the Civil Rights Division, which has you know,
been really good at throwing Christians in jail for protesting
outside of for praying outside of abortion clinics, or it's
the what's the other one? There's two arms of the
DOJ that has basically become political persecution operations. It's one
is the Civil Rights Division, and there's another one. But
these people that we're talking about are going to be
the ones that are going to head the divisions that
actually do the gnarly stuff that actually, you know, go
after people. The AG himself isn't necessarily that guy. The
deputies to me are far more important. Right. It's like
the guy who's taking over the Southern District of New York.
Southern District of New York is the most corrupt federal
judiciary jurisdiction in the country, right, like fucking bailouts SDN Y, Epstein,
SDN Y. Right, whenever they want to cover something up, right,
they tried to do it with the Trump assass assassin
right federal, and once it's federal, we're going to bring
it to the court that we control above all others,
and that's the Southern District of New York. And the
fact that Trump put who he puts in SDN Y
is insane, Like it's amazing, Pete, I'll give you a
full a little bit and I'll jump in on top
of that. Astro wants us to go on for a
little bit longer if we can.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: No, I mean when you look at when you look
at who these deputies are, who were who were supposed
to be behind gates, I mean these are like these
are assassins when it comes to legal when it comes
to prosecuting the investigation. I mean, I'm I'm looking at
this right now, and I mean, what's funny is his
like his undergrad, this guy a mil Bouv. His undergrad
was like at a Sunni school, It's like Suny Albany.
But I mean he went to Georgetown. I mean really, yeah,
I think we know what Georgetown is. And yeah, you
know he's like a he's Emil Bove the third. I
mean he I think that's why, that's why the sunny
thing made it is funny to me. But he was
a look lacrosse team, captain of the lacrosse team. I mean,
this is these are guys who they These are the
guys who know how to get shipped done.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 6: I don't know what name Bov is. I don't know
if he's you know, if he's wasted royalty, but he's
definitely he's definitely been around along a long time. His
family has been around a long time, and yeah, it's uh,
apparently they helped to get Maduro's brother and convicted in
a drug case here his son Maduro.
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 6: This is interesting because.
Speaker 5: Especially with your thesis around Marco Rubio, that is very interesting.
Speaker 6: Yeah, this is very interesting. And also who has who
has Eric Prince? You know, when it comes to the
Western hemisphere, what country has Eric Prince most been talking about?
And talking about? Venezuela over and over again? So this
is uh, I can't believe I missed his name the
first time. And that when you when you start going
into these people's backgrounds and everything and you see that,
you know it's this is a weird thing too, is
you know? And I mean I know that this could
be just a bunch of cope and everything, but the
fact that he picks the deputy and then he picks
the associates of the deputy, and the associates of the
deputy works for the deputy, I mean, it looks like
he's he's going for loyalty, like loyalty is the only
thing he cares about here.
Speaker 5: Yep. And the guy from the age or sorry, the
Southern District of New York, that guy, right, he was
the former head of sec right step down, Yeah, ja yeah.
Jake Clayton. J Clayton comes from Sulliban Cromo, which is
a name that everybody. If you're going to pretend to
talk about politics and you don't know who this law
firm is, then you don't know a lot about politics.
You just think you do, right, because no law, no entity,
no private institution has been so influential on American politics
in the last one hundred years as Cromwell.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 5: And if this is the first time you've heard that name,
you've got a lot of digging to do. Right. How
about guys like John Foster, Dulles and Alan Dulles? Where
did they come from? They came from Sullivan Cromwell. Right.
Another gentleman what's his name who jumped out of a
building for yeah? Or how about the wild Bill Donovan?
Where wild Bill Donovan come from? The creator of the
oss Oh, that's right, Sullivan Cromwell. And I'm probably forgetting
dozens of other people, right, But who ran who? Who runs?
Sullivan Cromwell was sold like Sulvan Cromwell is like one
of their only clients at the time of John Foster
and Alan dullish, we're great Americans. Anybody who's listening to that,
can you know there's two ways you got here. You
either got here because libertarian po politics didn't work, or
you're a conspirat hard guy that finally made it to
the bottom of the only rabbit hole that matters. And
that's how you got here. And if you came in
through the conspirat hard youah nothing wrong with it. That's
largely how I got to where I was.
Speaker 6: So here this is some interesting stuff. So two days
ago Bloomberg Bloomberg Law dot com did an article Trump's
own lawyers induced fear faith fear faith at Justice Department.
It says here Donald Trump's election of his personal lawyers
for top Justice Department post is raising alarms about the
pressure these two former federal prosecutors may face to do
their former clients bidding by targeting political opponents. Todd Blanche
and Emil Bow appointed for Deputy Attorney General and Principal
Associate dag respective, were well regarded assistant US attorneys and
supervisors in the Southern District of New York. Nine Alumni
of the office set in interviews Blanche's background combating violent
crime and gangs, and boths focus on national security make
them reassuring, contrasting what Trump's Attorney general pick now, which
is gone, make them reassuring choices because they're already seeing
them as like a backup plan. Still, the duo's close
ties to Trump are fueling fears among Department veterans about
how they'll handle the land mines awaiting them under a
new president who's threatened to use the Department to punish enemies.
Speaker 5: Yeah, who gave Trump those thirty six felonies? Who's Alvin
Brad guy? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 5: Sdn Y is where the political corruption happens, the political persecution, right.
So the guy that Jane mister Clayton his pick for
sdn Y, Right, his background is particularly Wall Street wrongdoing,
organized crime, drug brings, political corruption, and terrorism. Its most
the sdn y's most high profile cases in recent years.
This is probably just the last five. Sam bankmin freed
the case around US Senator Bob Mendez right from Maryland.
So I was a case that they want to cover up,
doesn't matter where in the country it matter, it happens,
doesn't matter, will get made federal and then brought to
the sdn Y because the sdn Y is like the
citadel of power. It is the most powerful attorney General's
office in the United States. So Sam Bankman, Freed, Jeffrey Epstein,
Bob Mendez, and Sean Diddy Combs just the most recent
ones since twenty nineteen, twenty eighteen. Do you know how
much dirt is in the bowel of sdn Y.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 5: This is also the same guy that went after intelligence
operative Bernie made Off and shut down Bernie made Off.
That's very interesting, right, He is a very very interesting guy.
He has also tangled with Elon Musk in the past.
All Right, So this guy isn't you know when he
was at when he was at SEC, he actually went
after Musk. Musk had to step aside as chairman because
of the you know, because of Clayton. So obviously Musk
is not a huge fan of him, right, But apparently
he's got a job to do, and apparently that job
to do is perfectly okay in the eyes of Elon Musk.
So that should tell you something. A guy that went
after Elon Musk is now is now Trump's pick for
the only federal judicial jurisdiction that could actually do something.
Speaker 2: That's part So like all of Trump's power is to
make make I'm just saying that's part of what Trump's.
Trump's power is he makes people like that work together. Yeah,
it makes them want to work together. It's not that
he forces them. He makes them want to work together
for Trump.
Speaker 5: This is the other thing about Trump that just everyone misses. Right,
the Republican Party does not exist right design This neoconservative people,
they don't exist anymore. They don't have power right now.
The only way that they can get power. This is
a group of people that have controlled the Republican Party
for the last eighty years, not really in reality, the
last forty years. Right, they control Republican politics, but not
anymore now. The zionists and the neocons they have to
go and lobby and show field present gifts right to
President Trump exactly. I love it, man, right, understand, Yeah, Well,
this is what they're not. They don't understand. Like, it's
not that Trump is a neoconn or he is a Zionist.
Trump has his own Trump's base, and the loyalty of
his base creates a new political dynamic that America hasn't
seen in a really long time. Right. If Donald Trump
says I'm not a member of the Republican Party anymore.
I want nothing to do with it. The Republican Party
will get zero votes. Every Republican congressman is going to
get zero votes, every Republican senator zero votes. Any other
Republican presidential ticket is going to get zero votes. There
is no more Republican Party. Right, if you're a senator
and you're a congressman, which is this is something that's
really fucking important. Everybody means to fucking pay attention to this.
All right, Guess how many Congressmen are going to be
up for election in twenty twenty six A metric fuck ton?
How many Senators are going to be up for reelection
in twenty twenty six? A metric fuck ton? And if
you are running for either election or reelection, right, you
know you can't run on the DNC ticket because everyone
hates you. Okay, So that means the only ticket in town. Right,
So the only way you can get into government is
if you run in the Republican ticket. Okay, Well what
does that look like? Well, that looks like if Donald
Trump doesn't personally himself bless your campaign, you don't get elected. Right,
So that means it doesn't matter. Like Miriam Needleson didn't
fucking buy Donald Trump for one hundred million dollars. That
didn't happen. That's not real. Yeah, Given all that, if
you are this person that can literally wave his hand
and you decide whether a person gets elected or doesn't
get elected, right, that means you have more power than
a pack apac doesn't mean anything. Right, It doesn't matter
how much money apack spends on you. If Donald Trump
doesn't wave his hand over you, sprinkle you with holy
water and bless you, you're not getting into government. You're
not getting elected. That makes Trump the most powerful person
in a monarchical sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's also can you mean on the show
on the.
Speaker 5: Miry Madelson, there's nothing that fucking pisses me off of
how dumb guys in the right are about pop politics?
All Right, Miriam Madelson pledged one hundred million dollars. I
could pledge to give Astral one hundred million dollars, But
how much am I obligated to give Astral zero dollars?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 5: So one hundred million dollar pledge is not one hundred
million dollar donation. If you notice, there's a big difference
in the words that they used, pledge and donation. Who
actually donated money?
Speaker 3: All?
Speaker 5: Right, Marymadelson about thirty million of that actually came in
so high five for her. Right, Unless you know the
name Timothy Mellon, you are not in the fucking game.
Unless you know the name Timothy Melon, then you don't
know fuck all because Timothy Mellon. Right, If you say, oh,
the Jews control politics. Right, you can take all of
their donations, including Miriamadleson's thirty million dollars, you add them
all up, they don't equal Timothy Melons one hundred and
forty million dollar actual donation to Donald Trump. Right, That
is wasp aristocracy. This is my people, right. The Mellon
family is up there with the Rockefeller family, the Melon family.
The reason you don't know who the Melon family is
when if we were to rewind the clock, you know,
before World War Two, every person in America knew who
the Melon family was. Why don't they know that now?
Because the Melons, the people the Melon family got pushed
out of power by the same people that pushed the
rest of the wasps out of power. They know who
these people are. The Mellon family knows well how they
got politically disenfranchised, just like I know, and just like
everyone of Pete's listeners knows. Right, So that's the guy
that actually made the largest donation. So if we're going
to say, all of a sudden, that is real controls
Trump because of Mary and Natlsen's donation, Okay, well, if
that is actually true, let's take your paradigm as truth,
then that means she got out bid by Timothy Mellon.
Because if you're telling me donation equals political control over
a person, then Timothy Mellon actually has control over Donald
Trump because he spent more money than Mary Natleson. Anyways,
that's what drives me fucking nuts. It drives me nuts.
Speaker 2: I love it. I'm the same page. And all I
was trying I was I was trying.
Speaker 5: To say, is that and go listen to the podcasts.
Speaker 2: He's a he's a counterweight to the Israel lobby.
Speaker 3: He's not a single man.
Speaker 2: Yes, he's not owned by the Jews. Yeah, a single man.
This is this is why I talk about Trump in
terms of Caesarism, Like it seems like really pie in
the sky way to talk about politics, to talk about caesars,
And but that's how he functions and the.
Speaker 5: Other personal capital. His political capital is entirely self made.
His loyalty is entirely self made.
Speaker 4: Well. And I think that there's something interesting too, is
that we've seen a swamp from institutional loyalty to personal
loyalty rights sort of at the basis of all of this, Right,
like how many people were voting for you know, John
McCain because he was John McCain, and how many were
voting for him because he was a Republican.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: On the other hand, how many people are voting for
Trump because he's a Republican. Certainly there are some in
both cases, right, But Trump has personal loyalty, right. And
you see this even in how the kind of like
deranged blue and non leftists talk about MAGA, Right, they
talk about it as a cult Trump, and they're not
entirely wrong, Nope, Right, They are loyal to him as
a man. And I think when we're talking about these
staffing picks, we're seeing guys who are personally loyal, which
I think is much more important than this kind of
like fake, fake post war consensus belief in institutions.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: I know, we're running out of time, and I'm going
to need to wrap up. But I just thought that
was important to get in there. Jay, I think that's
an important post. Does Elon Musk? Does Elon Musk have
loyalty in the Republican Party? Oh certainly not right, he
doesn't care, so he's loyal to.
Speaker 5: Donald Trump.
Speaker 4: Exactly.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Listen, we're in a new place.
Speaker 2: This conversation is not over, but Pete has now. I
have to go for sure, and everybody has to go.
So for those of you who've made it this far,
go to the show notes. Because everything so Stormy is
spitting hot fire. I mean, Stormy is fucking gold. Stormy
is the fucking nuclear hydrogen bond we got in our
back pocket. In my opinion, I think everybody.
Speaker 5: Knows retarded with a really strange memory.
Speaker 2: So go I remember Stormy. Stormy has watched my political
arc go from being like right wing to like far right.
He's watched the whole fucking thing go down. I remember
one of the first things I ever said to Stormy was,
Jews basically are like looting. The Jews are basically like
looting the corpse of a dead American soldier. And he's like, yeah,
but they're also the ones who shot him in the
head in the first place, like, oh shit, is it
really like that? And I'm like, yeah, so so that's Stormy.
Speaker 5: But you can't. You can't kill America. Man, it's a zombie, right.
None of all this damage that that they've done is bad,
but all these in all these black pillars, I think
it's over. It's it's wrong, right, Like, if you don't
think America can come back from this, then you don't
know your American history very well. I agree completely said
any man that bets against America should prepare to go broke.
Speaker 2: All of that To say, everything Stormy is talking about
right now, he's he expands upon it for several hours
on Pete's show. So I'm gonna link in the show notes.
H what is it called Stormy the Robber Barons.
Speaker 6: The name of that episode and to Save America.
Speaker 2: If you haven't listened to those yet, listen to them
now and you'll see why Stormy is dropping bombs.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: Jay Burns got a show.
Speaker 5: Let Me Sing you the Song of My People.
Speaker 2: Him and him and Thomas do great work. Pete and
Thomas do great work. Go to the show notes there'll
be links to relevant episodes from all these guys shows
to everything we talked about today, and I gotta go,
guys a couple weeks, maybe Thomas.
Speaker 5: Listen to Jane Thomas's Current Events show, which is different
than Thomas's other podcast that I did not know about,
and I started listening to it, and it is fantastic.
Speaker 4: Well, Stormy, you see that, just repeat things. You tell me.
Speaker 2: Why, Jay, send me a link to those shows, and
I'll that's that's what I'll put in the show notes.
All right, sure, as I appreciate it, and god, I'm sorry.
I don't mean like fucking just railroad everybody, but it's
like it's like I went over twenty minutes and I
did not.
Speaker 5: The Daily Show will already I think they've got the
name the Death Panel already coined in trademarked, so we'll
have to come up with something different for Yeah, it
is a good name.
Speaker 2: Hey, well, look, you guys and the listeners gonna want
to hear this. Thomas just put in the chat he
wants to do this again in two weeks, so so
everybody stay tuned.
Speaker 5: All right, all right, talk to you boys later. It's
always fun, gentlemen.
Speaker 4: S